Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-39468671-20200614003405/@comment-24824859-20200616015812

LegionZero wrote: Great Fire Anihilation, Fireball Jutsu(the streaming version) and Great Fire destruction all look the same, are executed the same, and have the same effect. Are theyball the same jutsu? No. Both the Great Fire Annihilation and Great Fire Destruction are derived from the Great Fire Ball Technique that differ in range and power. So, that's not helping your case If one is augmented then it really isnt the same attack since its been modified in some way.

Chidori has been described as a "simple jab" but uuhhhh its clearly not. Its Lightning empowered jab. The only modifications that would make the Rasengan any different is the size, number, and change in chakra nature. Both the Rasengan and it's senjutsu variant are the same size, number, and both have no change in chakra nature.

You're reaching with the Chidori example with that reductive argument. There's obviously more to the Chidori than just a simple jab, which you, yourself have pointed out. So you basically defeated your argument there. With the Rasengan on the other hand, there's nothing more or nothing less to it than a spinning ball of chakra formed and held in the palm of the user's hand. Simply making the Rasengan out of sage chakra, instead of normal chakra, doesn't change that The curse marks are very clearly on his face They are not the same design. The one on Gaara's looks far more "veiny" with less dots and said thats are more "free". Close ups of his face in this form show that he has the curse marks andnin one of them he has a few on his back They are not the same marks. In fact the marks here are far more distinct compared to the ones on the first transformation and sealing technique. You have to be very disingenuous to say that they look alike. Them marks are exactly the same Lol, no they are not. Do you see any line wrapped around the MR: Rasengan that has the dots and squiggles stemming out of it with a big 'ole circular mark? Its not a straw man. Its the basis of your argument. It is a straw man, since I never argued that they were the same technique, but nature. So let's drop the Rasengan/Senjutsu Rasengan since you're reaching anyways. So you are saying that a technique is of the same nature with no observable effects of said nature?

Also, Rasenshuriken explodes (more like expands) it is making constant contact until it stops expanding and it trapps the target inside

I dont know how we can honestly say that it is Magnet Release when it wasnt stated to be, shown to be, or have the effects of Magnet Release The normal Rasenshurikens don't always explode, for the ones that don't, are they still not Wind Release?

The explosions lasted for one panel, so there wasn't a lot of contact time. The particular Rasenshuriken was used in conjunction of other variants and was also behind some of them, meaning it exploded before it could even come in direct contact with Kaguya. A short, multi-layered explosion may not have been the ideal condition for the particular Rasenshuriken to manifest its sealing properties. Not to mention, Naruto's intention wasn't to seal Kaguya when he threw the Rasenshurikens

Like I said before, they are both the result of SPSM Naruto infusing Shukaku's chakra into a Rasengan (in the case of the Rasenshuriken, there was wind chakra as well). Both the MR: Rasengan and the core of the particular Rasenshuriken look exactly the same. You would have a point if an entirely different character produced a technique with the same markings, but we've only seen Naruto produced the markings on the MR: Rasengan and the core of the particular Rasenshuriken. It's very likely that the particular Rasenshuriken is Magnet Release