Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-5936871-20150902161700/@comment-5547501-20150906031834

Rage gtx wrote: Ravenlot 27 yes but same time your "facts" do not apply to Uchihas it is stange. Ok now about battle(with OP's conditions) as i said Koto a) has only two charges and then years long CD and b) We don't know how Koto can be aplied into battle - all we know Koto can chage person judgment Mifune and Sasuke, in first case it weared off as soon as Mifune was informed about faling victim of Koto and Sasuke never got under it c) Only time when Koto was permanent was against ET - tech wich has no own will. Now Madara yes he can see Wood clone but there is real one here who is more powerful that EMS+Kurama so he has no time to help others with clones, now Sasuke even if he can see Wood clones he can't do so with Shadow Clones of Naruto and Tobirama. One thing that was still not pointed out: by condition wich OP gave SM Naruto is stronger than SM Naruto from Pain arc cause he can use Sage Art: Amphibian Technique - and makes SM Naruto>=EMS Sasuke - he can now just spam FRS at his heart's content(and even Danzo's Air Bullets were poreful enough to tear Susanoo) Now about Wood Clones power i hope you understand that Hashi were weakened by Four Red Yang Formation and didn't had enough chakra to give it to clones - considering Hashi can take both Madara and Kurama at once - fighting only Madara has no enough evidence to conclude that Wood clones will be considerably weakened. Now with clones matter dealed we have at least 3 clone spammer - Hashi, Tobirama and Naruto. Itachi is best of Uchihas in one vs one by but can't be as efficient against many and clones work great against him(shown by Kakashi in Kazekage rescue arc), Izuna is fodder who is soloed by Tobirama on easy, DMS Obito is even weaker than - Tobi cause of "they can only use their own power." he don't have Zetsu half wich leaves him without healing factor, stamina, and undegenerating MS cheat last one affect Kamui efficiency so DMS Obito from VS get nerfed most. And women can support: heal, replenish chakra and use barriers. So yes Uchihas still lose for not having nuke aoe techs in their arsenal to deal with clones and stamina of Senju. Depending on how far Obito can use susano'o and how his chakra levels are without Hashi cells, Obito can possibly be the best Uchiha on the team, if only for a moment. Itachi can use Yasaka Magatama with second stage (skin) susano'o, and as we know, Kakashi's (Obito's) Yasaka Magatama are imbued with Kamui like Sasuke's is imbued with Enton. This makes it possible for Obito to possibly one-shot Hashi, at the very least Naruto, Mito, Kushina, Karin and Tsunade (probably not Tobirama due to FTG) without even using Perfect Susano'o.

Lol at saying Sage Mode Naruto beats EMS Sasuke when EMS Sasuke was apparently equal to 1st stage KCM Naruto. Also, just because he has infinite sage mode with the amphibian technique does not mean he has infinite chakra, thus he can not spam rasenshuriken. In the Pain fight, Naruto only used Sage Mode to one-shot the other bodies with a single rasengan each and if he tried that on Sasuke the latter would just put up an Enton shield.

Assuming Shisui's koto works the way people thinks it does, he can turn Hashi on the Uzumaki team and that guarantees a win.

Also, whilst Hashi was making the 4 barrier thing, Madara effortlessly (whilst sitting down) one-shotted a wood clone of Hashi. I would think that fighting EMS Madara would be more strenuous for Hashi then making a barrier and so any Uchiha would one-shot the Hashi clones (except maybe Izuna and Shisui due to lack of a canon Susano'o).

I believe that outcome is an Uchiha win. Karin's healing is not strong enough to save them from any opponent, Kushina and Naruto can get beaten by the stronger Uchiha's, Tobirama was apparently close to Izuna in power (despite his apparent one-shot, which it actually wasn't) so any team-up would beat him and Mito's regeneration was likely less than Tsunade's so she would be defeated easier. Hashi would beat Madara with high-difficulty and then would be beaten by the remaining Uchiha's in his tired state and Tsunade is would get beaten by any team-up of Uchiha's.