Talk:Yasaka Magatama

Tool?
I know it was given as a technique an all but given it's background and stuff should it be considered a tool as well O.o--Cerez365™ 13:16, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * It was called a jutsu, so we can't make assumptions.--Deva 27 13:19, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * He said Ninjutsu, yes. But I'd say it is a weapon, too. Judging from the background and how the other two are tools, too. Seelentau 愛議 18:20, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * If we list this as a Ninjutsu then the Totsuka blade and the Yata Mirror have to be too. Besides since the last item was the Yakasa Magatama it makes more sense to list as tool to complete the set. Darksusanoo (talk) 23:11, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * This was called a ninjutsu, the others were called items. It looks to me like Susanoo creates the Yasaka no Magatama, so its more likely its a ninjutsu.
 * Were was this stated as a ninjutsu? the only was that Itachi called it's name which hardly qualifies. Given the other weapons and how they all come from Susanoo and part of a matching set, it's silly to list this as a ninjutsu while the other 2 are as tools. Either list all as ninjutsu or all as tools. Also sign your post Darksusanoo (talk) 23:36, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Itachi did say they'd use their strongest long range techniques. Although I still think it might be a tool, it can remain as is until we get more information.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 23:44, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a ninjutsu, the others are tools, the name of the technique and it's influence has no barring on whether something is a tool or ninjutsu.--¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 23:46, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Itachi suggests that they should all use their strongest long-range Ninjutsu. Of course that implies this is a Ninjutsu. But given that the other two are tools, I'd say this is a tool, too. In the end, we should just wait. Seelentau 愛議 23:53, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe we should add Yasaka no Magatama to the tool section together with the Sword of Totsuka and Yata's Mirror because its a weapon/tool used by Susanoo a jutsu used by Itachi in Mangekyou Sharingan. SLAYER13PH (talk) 08:11, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Itachi does say that they should use their strongest long-range ninjutsu, however his strongest one, which he showed, might require the use of one of the legendary tools. --Sauske-Blaze (talk) 13:26, August 18, 2011 (UTC)Sauske-Blaze

So far all Susanoo-related attacks have been made by weapons: the Totsuka blade, the Yata Mirror, the crossbow from Sasuke's version...this is basicaly Itachi's version of long range...since all Susanoo's items were classified as tools it doesn't make sense to state this as a ninjutsu since it derives from Susanoo like every other item. Darksusanoo (talk) 19:35, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Any more ideas/opinions/objections to change this into a tool? Darksusanoo (talk) 21:07, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * But we really can't change it until it's actually confirmed as a tool especially with the way it's used. I'm not entirely sure why I brought this up in the first place any more but I'm against it since it's us making an assumption because of the techniques influence.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 21:16, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * But in the same way we're assuming this is a ninjutsu without solid proof...and so far all of Susanoo's attacks have been weapon/tool-based ones. Darksusanoo (talk) 21:25, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

All of the Susanoo have used tools...the Totsuka blade and Yata mirror for Itachi's and the regular blade, and crossbow for Sasuke's. It's ilogical to list this one as a ninjutsu when Susanoo only used weapons so far...also there is no proof other than Itachi's Statement to use the most powerfull long range techniques...and as far as it's known tools can also fall in to this category. 2.80.179.90 (talk) 22:43, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

I would like to ask why is this specific item being treated differently from the other ones? All the other Susanoo items were treated as tools. And Itachi's statement is ambiguous at best and not revealing at all. Any more opinions? Darksusanoo (talk) 06:20, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

I agree...why is this specific item being treated differently? Like the other editors said all other Susanoo itens are treated as tools and the only "proof" against it is a very ambiguous statement by Itachi. Why is not changed to a tool yet? 2.80.178.15 (talk) 16:24, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Just because everything else is a tool doesn't mean that this is as well and we can't just bunch things in together. This is not one of those things that we can just rush and do so we should at least wait for a raw and a translation from Shounensuki. Because regardless of whether or not the statement was "ambiguous" to you, it was still said so we present the data as given to us.--Cerez365™ 16:30, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

As I said before, there's nothing that says that this is a tool. On the other hand, Itachi said that they should use their strongest Ninjutsu and used this afterwards. The only argument for it being a tool is that the other two are also tools. But there's no reason for Kishi to make this a tool, too. Seelentau 愛議 16:34, August 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't classify this as a tool yet. Not only isn't there any real indication that it is a tool (although tools are also classified as ninjutsu, so that argument is moot), it was also named in a decidedly different style than the Totsuga Sword and the Yata Mirror, which might indicate it's not a tool like them. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:55, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

I agree to darksusanoo we must treat it as a tool. SLAYER13PH (talk) 06:57, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Earrings
Could it be the magatama earrings that Susanoo wears? Yatanogarasu 07:37, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * It was generated between it's right hand though it didn't take them off.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 11:29, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Naming consistency
The articles on item/technique which come from the Imperial Regalia are currently named with what I perceive as a slight inconsistency. All three follow the format "something no thing" in the original Japanese. We currently list them as "Sword of Totsuka", "Yata Mirror" and "Yasaka no Magatama". I know there's a historical reason for there being no written indication of the "no" in the mirror, though it's still said with it in the middle. To make them all follow the same format, I think that they should be named either "Sword of Totsuka"/"Mirror of Yata"/"Magatama of Yasaka" or "Totsuka('s) Sword"/"Yata('s) Mirror"/"Yasaka('s) Magatama", unless a compelling reason not to is provided, of course. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:52, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd have no problem with this. I'm in favour of the possessive names though, "Mirror of Yata" sounds odd.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 21:00, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree.--Deva 27 00:42, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

The latter example seems best. Skitts (talk) 06:40, August 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * の isn't simply a possessive particle in Japanese. it can also serve as a kind of modifier particle, changing the word in front of it into a kind of adjective. For example, the Japanese word for an English teacher is . In fact, this behaviour of the possessive is also found in English: an English teacher can also be said to be a 'teacher of English'.
 * In this case, the use of の is because of this function:
 * The Kusanagi no Tsurugi is a 'grass-cutting word';
 * The Totsuga no Tsurugi is a 'ten-fist[-long] sword';
 * The Yata no Kagami is an 'eight-hand-span[-wide] mirror';
 * Et cetera, et cetera. Naming them something like 'Kusanagi's Sword' is plain wrong, as it implies that 'Kusanagi' is an actual person or place. Naming them along the lines of 'Sword of Kusanagi' or 'Kusanagi Sword' would be a lot better, and I personally prefer the latter, myself. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:53, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Does that mean that Yata Mirror is also correct, and that this article could be moved to Yasaka Magatama? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:20, August 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * In my opinion? Yes and yes. —ShounenSuki (talk 22:46, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

May be a little late now, but how about "Yasaka Curved Jewel"? The "Curved Jewel" being "Magatama" translation. Yatanogarasu (Talk) 07:37, September 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * I personally prefer the term 'magatama', but there's nothing really bad about using 'curved jewel', I guess. It depends on what the others want. —ShounenSuki (talk 11:36, September 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Then wouldn't it be "Yata Kagami", "Totsuka Tsurugi" and "Kusanagi Tsurugi", just taking out the "no" in all of them? Of course, consistency is one thing, but how it sounds is another. Yatanogarasu (Talk) 21:13, September 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * There are actually good translations for kagami and tsurugi. A magatama is a specific type of jewel that is generally referred to as such, even in English. 'Curved jewel' might be a direct translation of the term, but it isn't really what it's called in English. —ShounenSuki (talk 23:06, September 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Makes sense, I guess. But I guess just taking out the "no" from this technique doesn't really count as "translating" it into English. Yatanogarasu (Talk) 05:55, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Why wouldn't that count? —ShounenSuki (talk 06:34, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Eight Slopes Magatama?Umishiru (talk) 06:37, September 13, 2011 (UTC)