Talk:Kabuto Yakushi/Archive 2

Kabuto in Anime
In the new OVA of Naruto Shippūden, they revealed Kabuto's appearance in the anime. While it may be filler, since it's an OVA, it should still be added to the article imo. --Seireitou-shishō (My True Identity 19:57, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, its a promotional video, not part of the anime.--Deva 27 (talk) 20:05, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * OVA's are considered anime filler, because TV Tokyo animated it. I really don't see what's the difference. --Seireitou-shishō [[File:Seireitou's signature picture.jpg]] (My True Identity 20:07, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Simply...it's unnecessary especially since the image that's there now is much better than it =__= Cerez365 (talk) 20:57, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

What episode is this?Don't look at me!! Just talk...  22:40, January 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's not an episode. It's from a promotional OVA that was given to people who bought a Naruto shirt just after new year. It's all over youtube. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:47, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Second round
Because of the blooming revert war on the image, talk about it here. I feel kinda it's a bit pointless to add the image from the opening, since it looks like he has a giant red spotlight on him, and we'll probably get a good image of him in the anime, which is near his reintroduction. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:56, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Same. We can wait.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 01:57, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed.--Deva 27 01:59, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, alright...once again we've all proven I can't edit. Hooray! I just wanted to add an image from the anime instead because I thought it would fit. But I guess ideas can't be experimented on the internet anymore. Go ahead and delete the image already. Banan 14kab  03:40, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't understand you. You really wanted to replace an image like this with something like that? You were told that it's against the wiki's policy to use images that are in the opening and you still took offence to it. You need to understand that this place has guidelines that everyone needs to abide by and not your play thing.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 14:30, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see how my image is inferior in terms of quality, but since you say mine is terrible in comparison whatever; I'm not going to hold it against you. Also I wasn't told in any edit summary responses that using images from openings was against policy. And I was trying to settle this in a mature way. I said I was experimenting and I thought an anime image would be fine. I know there are rules, that's why I asked if it was against policy and if so I would stop. I guess you don't read my edit summaries so you assume I think the wiki is my "play thing". I don't need downtalking or criticism. I was just trying an idea. Like I said delete the image. I don't care anymore. Banan 14kab  14:43, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see faults at both sides. From the top of my head, I don't remember if the image policy actually says something about images from openings, but even if it doesn't, it's been common practice not to use them. I feel both parties failed in the communication of things that would have made this easier. And you can experiment with the infobox without actually making changes, that's what the preview feature exists. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:38, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

Seeing as the anime is up to date with Kabuto's appearance. Shouldn't his picture be updated to his new base form?

--Jingo12 (talk) 08:39, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

i vote yes and no. i think we should have one of those thiings that we have for mei or kurotsuchi's infobox image, you know where theirs one that has an image of his original form and the other has his kabuchimaru form. in fact i know the perfect picture for kabuchimaru, its the infobox image for kabuto part two on the spanish naruto wiki theirs a link to it on the front page of this wiki, it has perfect lighting and angle and its crystal clear.98.26.240.179 (talk) 08:51, May 17, 2012 (UTC)yomiko-chan
 * An image of the person as they appear in Part I goes in the infoboxes. Kabuto's appearance changed in Part II hence the change isn't noted in the infobox. That's just how things work here.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:19, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Wind Chakra
Kabuto has Orochimaru's chakra, he's said so himself. Does that mean that he also possesses Orochimaru's wind style change in nature? We know that natures can be gained through such means, in the cases of Danzou, Kakuzu, and Yamato. So do you think we should list it, at least as presumed? Timeel39 (talk) 01:47, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. There's no need to speculate at this point.--Cerez☺ (talk) 02:10, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Orochimaru's jutsus
Now Kabuto can use all jutsu of Orochimaru, can't he? And he can use better, more powerful than Orochimaru, can't he? User.Domynyk 13:18, Ferbuary 19, 2011, (UTC)
 * Just because he absorbed Orochimaru, it doesn't mean we'll add every justu he used to Kabuto's list. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:08, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Something from Sasori
When Kabuto and Team Kakashi are at Tenchi Bridge, Kabuto requests an item from Hiruko. Does Kishimoto ever reveal what it is that Kabuto wanted exactly? 124.169.58.202 (talk) 11:18, April 20, 2011 (UTC)Woolfy
 * No it was a trap.Cerez365™☺ 11:24, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

I know that it was a trap, I'm just curious if there really was something that Kabuto wanted from Sasori. 124.169.58.202 (talk) 03:26, April 21, 2011 (UTC)Woolfy

Orochimaru
Did orochimaru took his body because in shippuuden hinata said that remanins are slowly taking over the body. --Wcrolas990 (talk) 13:11, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * You should read the article. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:27, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Unique traits
So before I jump the gun, how does adding the fact that Kabuto now has a tail bode with everyone?--Cerez365™ 18:04, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Where exactly are you proposing to make this addition, it's already mentioned in his appearance section but isn't particularly prominent. However; if you’re intending to add it to his ability section, more specifically under snake techniques, where it appears to be entirely absent, then I don't see why not. In fact, seeing how it serves as another prehensile limb and seemingly facilitates his ability to communicate with snakes, I think its inclusion is more than deserved. Blackstar1 (talk) 19:22, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * It would be in his infobox the rest of that could always be added to the same section.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 19:32, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

On second thought, never mind. This seems like something he does willingly going from him killing the Takigakure shinobi.--Cerez365™ 14:55, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

What's with his red eyes at Episode 36?
Is it some sort of ability? I didn't see him do that in later episodes, so I was wondering.
 * We don't know, it was only seen that time. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 13:47, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's killing intent. —ShounenSuki (talk 13:59, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to elaborate a bit, killing intent / murderous intent has been abandoned as a concept in Naruto, but was featured a few times during the Chuunin Exams. It's a staple of Japanese fiction. Conceptually it means that a character is able to exert their "willingness to kill" as a sort of unseen aura or miasma, causing nearby characters to "feel" how deadly and threatening they are. In other words, it's a form of intimidation. When Kabuto gives that hateful glare to the three genin, he's showing them a glimpse of just how deadly he really is, and they freeze in terror (likely imagining him killing them, as happened when Orochimaru showed his killing intent to Sasuke and Sakura, and later Kakashi). FF-Suzaku (talk) 22:50, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * How is it an abandoned concept? I seem to remember Pain using it very recently, even Sasori did.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 23:31, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Genetic Source with Orochimaru?
Since Kabuto has Orochimaru's cells, does he have Orochimaru's Genetic Source?--
 * No, Kabuto integrated orochmaru's cells into his body, he wasn't created from them in the case of Manda and Manda II or else has had his entire DNA overridden to match Orochimaru's in the case with Yamato and Hashirama.(at least not that we know of)--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 21:24, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Background
What did Kabuto say about his past when he encountered Madara? That he was spy in many countries?--LeafShinobi (talk) 20:10, August 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Kabuto told him that he has roamed from country to country as a spy and once worked for Akatsuki, and told Madara not to underestimate his vast intelligence network. Kabuto's past is still very mysterious, so it's not really clear when he did that.
 * I assume it refers to his time posing a Konohagakure genin, as he has quite a few low-ranking missions and would have traveled around to various villages for the bi-annual chuunin exams. I don't imagine many other opportunities for a genin to sneak out of the village for long periods of time, and it seems like after revealing himself as a traitor and member of Otogakure, he had to stay pretty close to Orochimaru to help him deal with various complications.
 * I suppose it's also possible that he worked as a spy in his youth, before being adopted into Konohagakure, and that the Battle of Kikyo Pass was just pretense for him infiltrating the village. That's just speculation, though. FF-Suzaku (talk) 04:42, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

I don't remember him saying he encountered Madara at any point in his past.--Cerez365™ 11:49, August 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * He was referring to when Kabuto found Madara's base in order to form their alliance. Madara said it was impressive that Kabuto found his hideout, and Kabuto explained that he has a vast intelligence network which he formed over the years as a spy and one of Sasori's underlings. FF-Suzaku (talk) 08:27, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Kabuto's Doton
where in the manga he uses "earth release: hiding like a mole technique"? :/ Johnny/ジョニー (talk)
 * Part I, when he fights Tsunade in the Search for Tsunade arc. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:53, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Chapter 164 to be precise. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 04:44, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * ah, okay. Johnny/ジョニー (talk)

Fire Style
When kabuto faced off against sakura and naruto, didn't he use a fire style technique? So why does it only show earth as his only element technique? 216.59.241.158 (talk) 04:37, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you refer to Naruto Episode 140 and the Fire Release: Mist Blaze Dance Technique, it was a disguised Kagerō who used it. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 04:56, October 11, 2011 (UTC)

Snakes
I'd like to point out that it was Kabuto's blood that was used as the sacrifice when manda was first summoned, so he did not gain his ability to summon snakes by absorbing orochimaru. S im A nt 03:57, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Something with the summoning tattoo then? The same symbol was used in the scroll Suigetsu used. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:02, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you could just tattoo and go, what's the point of blood contracts? S im A nt 04:13, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's a special tattoo, maybe it was made with his blood and chakra and that's why it works. Who knows? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:18, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's Kabuto's hand that is used, you need the hand from the contract to summon the creature. S im A nt 04:19, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you point me to the chapter that fight starts? You made me curious enough to check him summoning both the regular giant snakes and Manda. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:26, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * That "fight" starts in chapter 165, the part where kabuto uses his own blood is in the anime, but you see him use his contract hands in both. I'm not sure whats going on during the first summoning of snakes, i don't know what he is stabbing. Never mind, he is stabbing his wrist at a weird angle. S im A nt 04:32, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Orochimaru in Kabuto
Why is it not mentioned that Kabuto is talking with himself or Orochimaru ?

Proof: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/558

There are more, I will try to find it.--Elveonora (talk) 23:17, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure "We" refers to the summons/tobi. S im A nt 23:18, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup, "we" is Akatsuki.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 23:19, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Im talking about colour of the text, there are 2 different colours and the snake is shown in the other panel opening his mouth.--Elveonora (talk) 00:11, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ohhh. Well Kabuto has been seen communicating with the snake before (during his encounter at the Island Turtle) but it didn't speak then. What I am pretty sure of is that we can't say he's talking to Orochimaru- there's no proof of that.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 00:17, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, no proof that its Orochimaru ... but Kabuto took his cells and this is the result ... who other could it be ? also other one, http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/520/7

At least mention that the snake has mind of its own would be good.--Elveonora (talk) 00:33, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * You do know that english text is made by fans. S im A nt 00:34, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Except we don't know if it does. It doesn't act independently. And those thoughts are Kabuto's. edit: And your color theory falls flat. There's green text of Kabuto saying he was glad Mu's split self was sealed, then directly under it in the same thought, in purple, he says "before he could say too much." It's no one else, just Kabuto. Skitts (talk) 00:36, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

@Simant, sure. @Skitts, Why would it be in 2 colours ? and what about the snake ?--Elveonora (talk) 01:19, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

There's no point in your theory it's oroshikamaru or the snake (or snakes, they could be different snakes). he is clearly thinking to himself. he does that a lot cause he is introverted guy, i guess. Holyn (talk) 01:39, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

@Holyn, I see. So I'll let it be until further proof. And Im not saying its "exactly" Orochimaru, its not a theory ... my point being that it looks like he is talking to himself/with himself so Im assuming that the snake is the 2nd mind. --Elveonora (talk) 01:45, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

New Body
i'm abit confused does kabut have a snake tail or is he a naga with a pair of lizard legs?98.26.241.59 (talk) 20:07, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * He has a snake tail, but it appears that he's able to change his body depending on the circumstance. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:16, October 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * are we sure that the snake is a tail?? in the new chapter when he reforms it looks like the snake is simply wrapped around his waist could it serve the same purpose as ma and pa when jiraiya used sage mode, I think its worth mentioning or at least discussing whether or not it should be added in the appropriate area of the artickle Vmejia (talk) 04:26, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, we should definitely add that bit of speculation to the article... We have to work with what is known. Firstly we don't know if snake sages need to stay still to enter Sage Mode. We can only state what is known, not assumed.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 09:53, March 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * your right, and since kabuto transforms so much from white snake form, to multi snake form to a humanoid form, we cant be sure if the snake is just intergrated into the transformation or is actually an extension of himself,Vmejia (talk) 18:46, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

First encounter.
I just viewed a scene from Naruto on YouTube of when Kabuto first met with Tobi and showed him the summons. The text at the bottom Kabuto says to Tobi "Your vessel is unique, and you are insolent". What's he referring to? Or is it a really bad translation or even a made up one? SusanooUnleashed (talk) 11:07, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Link is required o.o--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 11:49, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

at 3:31. SusanooUnleashed (talk) 12:15, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Kabuto say's "your vessel is unique" and Tobi says "and you're insolent" btw. But idk what that is because that wasn't in the manga. Maybe it's an allusion to Tobi always losing his limbs and going to the big ball of Zetsu juice to get more dunno really.--Cerez365™ 12:56, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, thank you for clearing what they said up :3 I have an idea in mind, but this isn't a forum so I'll just wait and see if what I'm thinking is right. Thanks for the help Cerez! :D SusanooUnleashed (talk) 13:02, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

He referred to Edo Madara ... ever heard of sarcasm ? --Elveonora (talk) 17:40, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Introvert
Just wondering, in the original Japanese text, does Kabuto actually use the word "introvert" when he tells Madara that he enjoys being alone? Reason I am asking is because introverts are some of the most misunderstood people in the world and people often use the word too loosely despite not knowing the true psychology behind it and sometimes confuse it with someone who is actually an extrovert.

Not that big of a deal, just wondering. Thanks for the future clarification. Fan151.198.114.191 (talk) 00:51, December 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * NVM, looked up the definition and found the answer myself. Kabuto is sort of an introvert it seems. Fan151.198.114.191 (talk) 00:51, December 17, 2011 (UTC)

Arm
Before fully changing into Kabutochimaru, his whole arm was covered with snake scales. Later when transformed the scales are missing his arm being just white like Orochimaru's skin. Any explanation ? --Elveonora (talk) 09:06, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Kishimoto simply had to make it visible in the manga that his arm changed. --178.203.124.36 (talk) 10:21, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Or he's gone through further changes since then (Though I've always thought that was where he integrated Oro's DNA). He did say he was fighting Orochimaru's will... I'm assuming this is the end-product of that.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 10:45, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

So basically the arm being like that was Oro's "will" trying to take over him and the arm changed to "normal" since he won the fight over his body ? --Elveonora (talk) 11:49, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not too sure it's 'normal' in the sense you're thinking. Kabuto does still have scales, they're just not that prominent as they were at the beginning of the transplant. He might have undergone transformations and what you're seeing now is just the end product.—Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 12:11, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Image ?
I read the image policy and it says that for the infobox image, an image close to their first appearance in the series is to be used. If Kabuto appeared a lot of times throughout the original Naruto, why is an image of him in Shippuden being used? I'm sure there's plenty of images to use of Kabuto from the original. --speysider (talk) 11:11, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Quality I'd assume. As long as the person looks the same there's no harm. That rule mostly applies to people that have visibly grown/changed so we wouldn't have an image of Kabuchimaru in the infobox.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 11:15, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah ok. Maybe that should be added to the image policy ? --speysider (talk) 11:17, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * If I understand correctly, that statement means the persons physical appearance not necessarily their début. Take Tenten's image for example it's of her from Part I but it's taken from Shippūden. As long as the person doesn't look physically different it's fine or something like that.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 11:26, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

barrier
Kabuto used a barrier technique in Mountains' Graveyard! what's the barrier technique (the name this technique is a Kabuto Barrier Technique)??
 * It hasn't been named yet. And sign your posts with ~ . Jacce | Talk | Contributions 05:04, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Again the Snake
Is it just me or the snake speaks again in the latest chapter ? Or is that just how the panels are placed ? Also apparently Kabuto still has his own voice, but Yamato mentioned snake-like voice once and this is not the first time the snake seem to be talking ... once it even had it's own panel in which it opened mouth and text right next to it not to mention it was coloured differently than Kabuto's main text. --Elveonora (talk) 16:43, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see where the snake seems to be talking in chapter 578.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 16:51, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Last panel, actually it looks like both snakes are talking. The arrorws are clearly to their mouths and Kabuto can't talk because he is licking his own face --Elveonora (talk) 21:36, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

what episode did they show him and orochimaru cells combining or was it offscreen if it was in an episode can someone tell me what episode it was--Mikey Meicht (talk) 21:54, March 15, 2012 (UTC)mikey meicht

@Elevenora: They've shown Orochimaru doing the same thing many times. Kinkaku had a sword and fan coming out of his mouth and he was still talking.

@Mikey: That was never shown.--Cerez365™ 22:15, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I see, I'll wait for the anime interpretation of it .. if they get it the same same as me, the snake should speak from time to time. --Elveonora (talk) 23:13, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * You know a snake speaking shouldn't be much of an issue or uncommon... It is after all a summoned creature. I think if Kishimoto had intended the snake to talk he would've done so during the time they laid siege to the Island Turtle. Mayhaps the upcoming chapters will shed more light on the situation.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 23:21, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Hozuki And Uzumaki Clan techs.
Like Danzo shall we make a implanted abilities section for the techs and abilities he gained from studying the Hozuki and Uzumaki clan or should they just be mentioned in his general abilities section or regulated down to the ninjutsu(Hozuki) and medical ninjutsu (Uzumaki) sections?Umishiru (talk) 11:04, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hm, the latter sounds good to me I suppose. To me, Danzo's article was more fitting for the "Implanted Abilities" section because he had actual implants hence why his chest was bulging, while Kabuto's additions seem more in the vein of what Orochimaru did Skitts (talk) 13:18, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * What Kabuto has done can fall under Intelligence and or medical ninjutsu. Like he himself said, you don't have it- you steal. They aren't implanted abilities, merely mimicked.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 13:21, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why not give Kabuto Water Release, considering that's what his new technique showed Cerez? Why do you say 'not necessarily Water Release'...turning into liquid means it IS Water Release according to the manga.--NaruHina fan (talk) 17:55, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I agree, it's not necessary water release. It can be a KKG --Elveonora (talk) 17:59, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it can't. Hozuki Clan techniques are a Hiden, not a Kekkei Genkai.--NaruHina fan (talk) 18:03, March 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * One SuperSaiyaMan, I have a talk page.
 * Secondly, the Houzuki techniques are hiden. I don't think kekkei genkai are hiden as well since it's sorta defeatist.
 * Thirdly, how do you know it's water release? Just because he turns his body to a liquid state using his own fluids? Whereas other actually transform their body into water? I'm not saying it can't be water release but there's not enough know about it to be saying it is right off the bat. Some of you people are under the misinterpretation that Kabuto copied Suigetsu's hiden technique exactly which is not what he did. He simply imitated it.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 18:04, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

That's what I meant Cerez. Used wrong word, the liquid is not necessary water but some other body fluids. --Elveonora (talk) 18:22, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Body Shedding and Binding Snake Glare Spell
Will somebody add them to the jutsu secetion of The Infobox and he used Body Shedding in Naruto 579 and the Binding Snake Glare Spell is pretty much his's Snake Tail. Ultimatex (talk) 22:28, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * When were they used?--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 23:15, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Naruto 579. Ultimatex (talk) 08:47, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Page references would be even better.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 11:13, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * He didn't use body shedding, he did something similar based of Suigetsu's ability to become water, which is already listed as "Body Fluid Shedding Technique". BSGS was not used. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 11:31, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Half-Snake from
Is it worth mention it has no legs in anime ? --Elveonora (talk) 22:26, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Bump. --Elveonora (talk) 04:47, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Aye. mentioned.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 11:54, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Why no image anywhere of his half-snake form & his true form (showing the whole body)? Patsoumas1995 (talk) 15:03, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

abilities genjutsu
we must add in the ability section his ability with genjutsu (temple of nirvana)?? --Nitram86 (talk) 18:35, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * He used one genjutsu, once. I hardly think that justifies an entire section. One sentence is the opening paragraphs of the abilities section before the subsections begin is enough. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:57, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

that true but the databook say his ability in genjutsu is 4.5 a very high value for don't mention this and his genjutsu make sleep a lot of people even shinobi with a A rank technique (jonin and kage level) i add this "He can use Genjutsu very well like and on a large scale he use the Temple of Nirvana Technique a A-rank tecnique to put a great number of people at sleep." --Nitram86 (talk) 19:11, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * That doesn't necessarily mean he's skilled at using genjutsu. It could mean he's adept at detecting it and dealing with it or something. We can't build sections based on stats.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 22:11, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * He did perform a high-level genjutsu, that shows he has skill in the area, even if underused. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:21, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Just a note, there are chars with 4-4.5 in Genjutsu that have rarely or never used one in the series. He has some skill with genjutsu but it's not his area like for example in case of Itachi.--Elveonora (talk) 23:29, March 26, 2012 (UTC) His use of genjutsu is just not enough to warrant its own section so it's placed in the general bit at the top.--Cerez365™ 09:44, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * but in that case they never use genjutsu (sakura is a exemple she is a genjutsu type shinobi but isn't training in that field) but in the case of kabuto he USE genjutsu ok onece but a hight level tecnique not a C or D rank but a A rank.this is a enciclopedia so i think we must make the page as complete as possible. --Nitram86 (talk) 09:27, March 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's already mentioned in his article: "Though he has made little use of it since his introduction, Kabuto is also a skilled genjutsu user, having once put almost an entire stadium to sleep during the Chūnin Exams."

ok then fine^^ --Nitram86 (talk) 14:00, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Appearance and more
Should we note that he has multiple forms he can switch in between ? Also is it just me or it looks like the snake has changed placement from Kabuto's "butt" to his belly ? Also this part: "Hated and loathed by others, I had to hide myself, sharpening my claws and waiting for this moment" Are these "thoughts/notes" canon ? I think it was Omni that said they are not included in retail. --89.173.134.22 (talk) 16:57, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, about that part, 'hated and loathed by others...'. I'm thinking of that as well. --IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me) 17:02, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, checked again and it looks like The Snake is coming out of Kabuto's navel while in his humanoid form. --Elveonora (talk) 00:07, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

We actually never saw where the snake was attached. If you remember when he took off the cloak the snake was wrapped around his body. I'm assuming it was always attached to his navel/abdomen. All of this is mentioned already though.--Cerez365™ 00:21, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

here and also here you can see it's coming from his navel. --Elveonora (talk) 13:05, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * I know this, I was actually the one that added the information about the snake coming from his abdomen. What I'm saying is that it was never seen/said that the snake was attached to Kabuto ass- just assumed. They way the snake was wrapped around him when his cloak was removed, seemed as though that's where it's always been.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 13:32, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, the butt-snake is only in the Naga form. --Elveonora (talk) 13:45, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * There is... no butt snake actually, just a belly snake.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 13:52, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

You're misunderstanding Cerez. Up until 580, we never saw exactly where the snake came from due to his cloak and the fact that it was wrapped around Kabuto's body. Skitts (talk) 13:58, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

I understood, just saying that in his Naga form it's a butt-snake instead. --Elveonora (talk) 14:02, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Natural Energy
Now that Kabuto has gained Jugo's Clan's ability to absorb natural energy, does that mean he bypasses the need to stand still in order to absorb it so he can activate Sage Mode? D!ABLO-32 (talk) 08:11, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't really know unless Kabuto explains it. It would mean his body is constantly absorbing natural energy and not being overwhelmed by it.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 09:22, April 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * There's nothing to say he constantly absorbs it, just regulates when and how much to absorb...

D!ABLO-32 (talk) 17:23, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Mistake?
Is there not a mistake in 580? Dosu says in 87 that he can send shock tones in a meat wall (Chouji as a ball), because the human body contains 70 % of water. In 580 Kabuto says that his Body Fluid Shedding Technique protects him from the vibrations. 93.211.52.72 (talk) 13:14, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Kishimoto isn't all too good when it comes to sciences. Anyway, in this case, Kabuto liquefies his innards causing the sound to travel through very quickly I would assume. Skitts (talk) 13:43, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Lightning Release?
On this page, it appears that Kabuto is using a Raikiri-esque Raiton technique. O.o
 * Edit - Actually, this page shows him doing two at a time, and is easier to see. Is that enough to add Lightning Release to his natures? Skitts (talk) 14:59, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

I'd presume that it's simply the Chakra Scalpel technique rather than a new one altogether. Blackstar1 (talk) 15:02, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, forgot about that technique. xD Skitts (talk) 15:14, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

I know in these elemental affinity debates it's constantly being said not to jump to conclusions, but with Kabuto using a technique literally derived from the Hozuki's Hydrafication, would that count as a Wtaer Release? --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 17:17, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

no he just imitated it not actually used it, he just liquefied his body not turned it into water.98.26.240.179 (talk) 18:00, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

trivia ?
Is it worthy a mention that he was a triple agent all those years ? Working for Konoha ... then Sasori brainwashed him to make him his spy and then he worked for Oro. Also did I misunderstood it or has Kabuto worked with Itachi in the past ? --Elveonora (talk) 22:49, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Konoha, Akatsuki and Orochimaru's spy ...
 * Kabuto and Itachi didn't work together, they just did similarly underhanded things. I think it only counts as triple agents if he worked for the three at the same time, while actually being loyal to just one no? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:36, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Konoha and Sasori were not aware he betrayed them. --Elveonora (talk) 23:47, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Konoha stopped employing Kabuto, but we don't know when that happened, nor do we know when Sasori recruited Kabuto, or when Orochimaru did. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:02, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

I see, just thought it is interesting to note he had so many employments. --Elveonora (talk) 13:43, April 7, 2012 (UTC)

Well, we know he was aligned with Orochimaru during the Chunin exams of which he was a participant. This proves he was a double agent, at least. (Also, obviously when he was pretending to be Sasori's spy, he was a double agent). As for triple, not enough evidence. --Zack 1135 (talk) 22:51, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Background
Because now it's getting all %(*$ed up. Let us review what we know and piece together what's actually going down.


 * 1) Kabuto was found as a survivor at Battle of Kikyō Pass, as per what I believe was the original databook. 100 years later in the manga proper, we learn that yes, Kabuto was a survivor of some battle so logic dictates that this was the aforementioned Kikyo Pass.


 * 2) He was there till about ninja training age, three years where he learned medical ninjutsu, before being taken in by Root. He was on various assignments for 5 years before killing his mother and presumably joining Orochimaru.


 * 3) The databook where it tells us he's a survivor of Kikoyo Pass tells us that he was adopted by a captain at the Konoha Medical Corps and trained to easily infiltrate cities, which we now know is not true because of these flashbacks that have taken 2 more weeks of Naruto vs Tobi action.


 * 4) That squirrel over there looks kinda familiar.

So there we have it. His background is all %*$&ed to hell and back. What do or can we do about this?--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 11:23, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

I think we can just let it ride out lol I not too sure how the med squad captain fits into this now but it would seem that Kishimoto possibly forgot about that storyline? If after these flashbacks are done and stuff and no med captain, we could just add "in the databook" or something to the info.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 11:29, April 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Lol, Lulu reference. By the way, I guess we'll just have to... find a way to mix it up. I can't believe Kishimoto would forget such an important thing said about Kabuto's past.

Yup, that tasted purple.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 11:31, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Kabuto was said to have been found at Kikyo Pass in the actual manga. There is nothing that says the town seen in ch.482 isn't Kikyo Pass. It's quite obivious, at least to me, that Nonou is the medical corps catpain.--Deva 27 11:32, April 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * That is all very possible Deva and something I never thought of. But it is possible Kishimoto forgot about his past in the databooks. Authors forget stuff. In the Dragonball manga, the reason why Goten and Trunks didn't have tails was strictly because Toriyama had forgotten all about tails.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 11:36, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Except Kabuto's past was stated within the manga, not the databook. I don't think we should we should jump to conclusion's by saying Kishimoto forgot.--Deva 27 11:40, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's possible he didn't forget and that he did. I also never thought that Nonō was the medical corps captain which actually makes a lot of sense. If they would actually tell us where the flipping orphanage is but it's clear that it has an affiliation to Konoha. Also, there's a bit about Danzō taking in orphans into Root. It's all tying in suddenly ( '-')--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:45, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Kabuto's past was really a maze you need to complete. I think we should remove the captain and replace Nonō since she has more info. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 11:52, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't start disregarding/deleting previous statements about his past just yet. It's likely that being found after the battle of Kikyo Pass and raised by the Konohagakure medical captain was part of his cover as a Konohagakure genin, when he began collecting data on young up-and-coming shinobi for Orochimaru. This is especially likely as that backstory was being discussed by the jonin during the chuunin exams, who didn't know Kabuto's true identity or background. FF-Suzaku (talk) 12:00, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I agree. So how about the infobox? About Nonō and the captain? How are going to deal with them? —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 12:04, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * We let it alone until more information is available.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 12:11, April 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd say it's probably safe for now to go ahead and add Nonō as an adoptive parent, and perhaps change the medical captain to "assumed adoptive parent" or "imposter adoptive parent", something like that. This is the first time we're really dealing with a spy in the Naruto world, so it might be prudent to think of ways to handle that. For example, we know he was recruited into Root by Danzo, so shouldn't his rank technically be ANBU? Posing as a Konohagakure genin was only his most recent cover and details such as his registration number and graduation age are probably forged (perhaps list them as "012140 (forged)"? Would probably be good to create a spy ninja classification article to describe what we know about how they function in the Naruto world, too. FF-Suzaku (talk) 12:31, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree. For one they might be the same person. At the same time, they may not be. For the rest I think you're overthinking everything way ahead of its time. People especially Anbu are sent to spy all the time, there's no need for that to be a classification. Like I said before, let the story unfold, it's not like the manga's done and we're left with unanswered questions.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 12:41, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Considering Anko and Sarutobi were talking about what would have doubtlessly been classified Root info, it's very possible that the Kikyo Pass story was also a forgery. Unless the town he was rescued from was Kikyo Pass, and that everything in between that and him getting to Konoha was messed up. Mohrpheus  (Talk)  12:40, April 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * The Konoha Medic person was never his parent, it was made up as a cover I think ... why would he want to destroy Konoha where resides his parent ? Kabuto never mentioned the person, and now his memories point to this woman. It's pretty clear that "adopted son of medical captain" was a cover, since he was a Root/ANBU spy ... even his rank of Genin is a cover since ranks do not matter to ANBU--Elveonora (talk) 13:00, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Specifically, Anko says that (according to his records) he failed to graduate from the academy twice, failed the chunin exams six times in a row, and has no notable battle or mission history. However, they both recognize him as "a boy from the enemy side who survived the battle of Kikyo Pass and was brought back by a jonin member of the Konoha medical corps." None of that jives with his backstory with Nonō, at all. Nonō was a former member of Root and the Konoha Intelligence Division who knew him as an orphan matron and then spent the rest of her life posing as an Iwagakure shinobi. So I'm pretty sure that they weren't the same person. FF-Suzaku (talk) 13:17, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the medical captain was a fake parent to hide his status of a spy working for Root. I'm sure not even Hiruzen was aware of Kabuto. "Mother" cant be the captain since when she has adopted him, she was no longer a Konoha Shinobi, and as Kabuto returned to Konoha she was already dead--Elveonora (talk) 13:25, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Again... it's possible that it wasn't a cover. Wouldn't Hiruzen, the Hokage of all people know what's going on in his own village? I'm sure Kabuto didn't pop up with all this false info and Hiruzen was like "ohaiii" the man wasn't a dimwit. Kabuto has severe identity ambiguity issues that alone is enough to want to destroy Konoha Why did Orochimaru want to destroy the village that he grew up in? Also not too sure why you're assuming that Kabuto was an ANBU all of a sudden just because Danzō took him. He'd be affiliated to the organisation but not a member. It could very well be that in the space that Kabuto was taken from the orphange he was given to the Medic Captain (who might have been in league with Danzō) and given a cover story and that's where that story stems from. It's really pointless to be pointing out all of this speculation and trying to discredit his entire background (I mean even his registration number? come on =_=) and what has been said before when you all can simply wait for the story to unravel.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 13:34, April 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Now that you mention the Third, did anyone even know Root existed until Danzo's crap with Orochimaru come to light in Part II when the Fifth officially disbanded them?--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 13:41, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

No, he was not even aware that the Root is still working underground, Hiruzen was how you would say it .. foolish/naive. He took Anko back in the Village even though she went with Oro among other stupid things. This is not about Oro's reason but Kabuto's and he clearly stated them. He was being used as a tool. That's not assumption, he was working for the Root (they were recruiting new members from children) so it's pretty much given. And thats exactly what I said so no need to repeat me, the Medic Captain sure exist, but it was never Kabuto's adoptive parent but more like a cover, so in other words Kabuto was given a fake background no to be suspicious to Hiruzen and such. Of course he has a registration number, even Sai has one--Elveonora (talk) 13:54, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

As far as we know, Root was not a secret at some point. Danzō was also in charge of or had some level of command over the Anbu at some point hence the whole Ame/Hanzō fiasco. Their practises however were too radical, that's why it was shut down.

Taking Anko back into the village was wrong? We don't even know the story surrounding why she left in the first place. On that premise Shizune should also be spurned along with Jiraiya and Tsunade. The village is a village not a prison. Even if the medic corps captain was a cover, it still doesn't mean that he/she wouldn't be listed as Kabuto's parent and Nanō should be. What I'm saying is simply that we need to stop trying to find every reason to discredit his whole background with the limited information we have.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 14:09, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not saying he/she should not be listed, but I'm also for listing the "mother"--Elveonora (talk) 14:44, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

If Kabuto is listed as a Root member, I think that he should be listed as an ANBU. The cleanest story I can build using what we know, discarding as little as possible and assuming as little as possible, similar to what others have listed is as follows: Hiruzen later seemingly didn't know who Kabuto was, so it's likely he doesn't know everything that happens with the ANBU, at least where Root is concerned. He and other Konoha-nin would know him only by is semi-fake backstory. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:54, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Kabuto is found in the ruins of the Battle of Kikyō Pass by Nonō, and is taken in by the orphanage.
 * 2) For three years, he is trained in medical ninjutsu and helps them out and meets Orochimaru.
 * 3) Danzō comes, the aid talk happens, Kabuto is taken in by Root.
 * 4) As a Root member, he does several spying missions.
 * 5) To give him an identity while in Konoha, he is given a backstory that is similar to what actually happened to him, being found by a Konoha Medic Corps captain, and raised by him/her. Maybe they even had an ANBU fake the parent, or something like that in case they ever looked for the parent. This would explain his knowledge of medical ninjutsu to those who asked, and remember, ANBU's identities are a secret. People don't know what ANBU looks like, so one can probably know several ANBU, and not know they're ANBU.

What Omni said EDIT: The only thing that does not fit is the glasses, after the battle he already has them, but the mother gave them to him. Unless it really was just from Anko's POV--Elveonora (talk) 00:09, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

That scene where Kabuto is seen at the battle wearing glasses was only in the anime, was it not? It wasn't in Anko's explanation of his past to Sarutobi and the screen of it on the page now comes from an omake in Shippuden.--BeyondRed (talk) 04:54, April 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, I'd say there's no reason to assume that the Battle of Kikyo Pass wasn't also part of his cover, along with his age, birthday, and the rest of his story. Of course his exact age likely can't be determined, but working backwards: he was about 19 at the start of Naruto and had previously failed six chunin exams in a row, so he'd been specifically scouting them for Orochimaru since about age 16. He'd been a Konohagakure genin since age 10. Prior to that he was enrolled at the Ninja Academy, graduating on his third try, so he was likely enrolled around age 7. Meaning he was taken in by the orphanage at about age 4, young enough that knowing to tell time would be impressive (most children can tell time around 5-6 years old, and they assumed he was too young to tell time).


 * So, when he was recruited into Root (age ~7), he was likely given a false identity and history (including details to explain his already exceptional knowledge of medical ninjutsu), was enrolled in the Ninja Academy (Anko and the Third specifically remember his Academy days, so that definitely happened), and after three years became a genin. He was probably sufficiently capable of passing the exams in his first year at the Academy, but failed twice to make his cover seem unremarkable. He had likely already begun acting as a spy before officially becomining a genin.


 * Five years after leaving the orphanage he'd have been about 12 (officially a genin for 2 years), and already a veteran spy. This is when he mistakenly killed Nonou, began losing grasp of his own identity, and was again approached by Orochimaru. Around this time his erratic mental state led to him being barred from conducting covert missions for Root. By 16 he was fully allied with Orochimaru and participating in the Chuunin Exams to help him scout up-and-coming shinobi.


 * The only thing we're missing should hopefully be clarified next week: Unless Kishimoto messed up really badly with the backstory, I expect that we'll see Sasori learn about Orochimaru's interest in Kabuto, turn him into a sleeper agent, and Orochimaru will reverse that and make him a double agent. FF-Suzaku (talk) 06:44, April 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Anko and the Third didn't recognize Kabuto from his days at the academy, at least not in any translation I've ever read. The Third recognized him from the previous exams he participated in and Anko looked up his record, which is where the whole Kikyo Pass/unremarkable student backstory came from.--BeyondRed (talk) 08:29, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Question .... O_O Did not want to make another section for this ... so, the name Kabuto was given to him by "mother" right ? Where does Yakushi came from though ? "_" --Elveonora (talk) 07:01, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Given that Yakushi means Medicine Expert, it's either from the Medic Corps Captain or Root most likely. TricksterKing (talk) 12:11, April 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * The medical captain was Nono Yakushi. She was given the position after rejoining Root, as part of her cover.
 * Danzo had sent her false information on Kabuto so that she wouldn't be able to recognize him. Danzo wanted Kabuto eliminated because he'd learned too much.
 * Orochimaru and Kabuto left Root together, with Orochimaru protecting him from Danzo and creating the false backstory about Kikyo Pass and him being Nono Yakushi's adopted son to give him a new start in Konohagakure as Kabuto Yakushi. He had also prepared an entire medical facility for Kabuto to conduct experiments in.
 * Orochimaru wanted to create a village where they could find their true identities, unlike Root which forced them to erase their identities. Orochimaru believed that by gathering more information and abilities, they'd eventually be able to learn who they truly were.
 * Years later Orochimaru joined Akatsuki and Sasori tried to turn Kabuto into a sleeper agent to gather intel on Orochimaru.
 * It shows the experiments they conducted on Kimimaro and Jugo, the Sound Four, Karin, and Suigetsu. It then shows how Kabuto liquified Orochimaru's remains and injected them into himself, but that still wasn't enough to learn who he was.
 * It appears that there are still some more flashbacks left. FF-Suzaku (talk) 08:07, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Gallery
I think it'd be a good idea to have a gallery of pictures of Kabuto in the garb of the various villages he infiltrated in either his background or personality section. And by gallery, I mean the type that cycles through multiple images like in some technique infoboxes, assuming that's available. Skitts (talk) 17:58, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

Anyone? Skitts (talk) 14:22, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not against it --Salil Uchiha Symbol.svg (talk)(Contributions) 14:24, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Aye. I was actually thinking of that. Ties in nicely with his identity issues though I was thinking more personality section though.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 14:34, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Turr' you still doing this?--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 14:19, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I don't know how to do that, that's why I posted this. xD Skitts (talk) 14:34, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

superiority complex
Kabuto, Madara(both) and Sasuke Uchiha are living monuments of the superiority complex.
 * All of which are mentioned in their respective articles. Although Kabuto has identity ambiguity issues, not (just) a superiority complex.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:43, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

'Kikyo pass' will be explained in next chapter along with sasori history'

just letting yous know kish didnt stuff up, it was all planned muahahahha

Recent Edits
Would like to apologize to User:Cerez365 for the anonymous edits I did on Kabuto's background attributed to IP addresses 112.198.77.24, 112.198.77.185 and 112.198.77.225. I forgot I wasn't logged in while I was editing those. Just for record purposes. Magatama90 (talk) 12:28, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah that's not necessary, it was good writing.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 12:33, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

upgrade/experiment
So Kabuto has Kimimaro's, Jugo's, Karin's, Suigetsu's and Orochimaru's blood among much other of prisoners and people.

How can't he use Shikotsumyaku then ? Unless the horns on his head are from that. Should not a mention of those stolen powers be added ?--Elveonora (talk) 22:04, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * The chapter never said he got powers from all those people, that was just showing the extensive research he has done while with Orochimaru. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:03, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

He injected their blood into this body--Elveonora (talk) 13:29, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually I'm with Omni on this one. I don't think the sequence (experiments+blood volume increasing) was meant to be taken in the sense that he took it from them— it was even shown right after he spoke with Sasori which would mean he has Sasori's blood o.O? If that we the case then he'd have two kekkei genkai, three body-morphing/mutation abilities (not too sure what you'd want from Tayuya and Jirōbō) and the Uchiha/Senju thing going on which I don't think is the case. The only thing I think was up there is the bunch of snakes that we saw before the bottle was full.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:58, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

He himself has stated that he took powers of Karin and Suigetsu and Jugo few chapters back, now we have seen it. He has inserted blood from all the prisoners that Orochimaru has experimented onto for years, where you think the blood came from ? Also I bet you know that Sasori is made off wood ... And he did not get blood from Tayuya and Jirobo, but prisoners in general, unless you would like for Kishi to draw panel for each person. Orochimaru's blood was the final bit of puzzle--Elveonora (talk) 14:34, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Wait, what am I missing? Kabuto said he merely studied eam Taka's abilities to replicate them in some way to some extent. Where is this stuff about him getting anything from anyone else besides Suigestu, Karin and Jugo coming from? Skitts (talk) 14:50, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * From the recent chapter and the sequence of studying x person→ blood in jar increases, studying another→ blood increases more. I still don't think it was meant to be taken like that. He said he studied those people not took their DNA, he'd be a wreck by now instead of what seems to be him transforming even more into a snake.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 14:55, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

The blood was from the special jailors that were experimented upon. Orochimaru's corpse was added the last with his bits of blood to the juice. Kabuto himself has stated that, so by your logic he should now look like a hybrid of Karin, Jugo and Suigetsu since he has their blood. He looks like Oro because his cells are sentient and taking over Kabuto's body--Elveonora (talk) 15:10, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

The only blood he injected was Orochimaru's, no one else's. The chapter showed various experiments various being done that's it. Nothing in the chapter indicates he took all their blood.--Deva 27 15:39, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

"facepalm" some people just lack reading comprehension or something.--Elveonora (talk) 15:42, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Wow. I totally forgot that's what Orochimaru looked like when his battle with Sasuke was done. That explains a lot. Reading comprehension- I'd like to think mine at least is pretty decent. I think you're simply looking for things that aren't there. Kabuto was said to have integrated Orochimaru's remains into himself yes? Hence why his appearance changed, why is it if all those people's DNA were inside of him does he not look like the loch ness monster? I mean their life forces alone should be killing him. Translations made it pretty clear that Kabuto said after observing the members of Taka he was able to gain likened abilities not after taking their DNA.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 15:49, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

I know what he said so thank you, by observing and imitating abilities of Jugo and Sugietsu, he gained powers akin to those of them. Hydratation ---> Body Fluid Cursed Seal origin ---> Sage mode. He got the regenerative powers from Karin though. The blood he injected himself with was clearly not just Orochimaru's but of other jailors. His ability to enter Sage Mode without staying calm is clearly from Jugo, regenerative powers from Karin (other than those of Oro), the snake coming either from his novel or butt is reminiscent of Sakon&Ukon's power and the horns might be from Kimimaro's ability.--Elveonora (talk) 16:03, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yes through observation and what?...imitation not through acquiring their DNA. To me it seems ridiculously flawed that he'd be able to absorb all of that convoluted DNA without exhibiting any sign of the person's life force on him. So basically it's like saying Orochimaru was the only one that had an influence on Kabuto's body any at all? As for rest like Sage Mode- we don't know whether or not Snake Sage Mode and Toad Sage Mode functions the same way. Then again there's always the snake that could be there absorbing natural energy for him. As for the other stuff, that's clutching at straws I mean the horns... Kimimaro's ability... really? That's all he got from him, the ability to grow horns? It is possible that he did take other DNA but to think that jar was filled with blood of different people is too far-fetched to me.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 16:17, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Nice you could recognize a speculation, just listed the possibilities. You can clearly see the container had quite a lot of blood in it for the years Kabuto has worked in the laboratory. Orochimaru's blood was the last bits. I'm not saying he has Blood Line limits of all people or something, just that he injected himself with blood of other people. "If you are not happy with what you have now, you can just find new things to add up" Also I'm not an expert for that (there's Omni though) but if I took a blood transfusion from you, I don't think your head would appear on my body or my eye, hair coulour etc. would change to that of yours. Kabuto changed into "Orochimaru" because of the strong life force of Oro's and the cells being sentient.--Elveonora (talk) 16:28, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

The Orochimaru cells in Kabuto aren't sentient, they're simply seeking to assimilate the rest if its host body the same way the Hashirama cells tried to do to Danzo when he lost control of them. And again, where is this coming from? Taking blood from others? I have not seen this anywhere. In no way shape or form can I recall anyone other than Taka/Orochimaru having anything to do with Kabuto's abilities. With the former, he simply imitated them to some extent, not just snatched 'em up and BAM!, got their abilities. His Body Fluid Shedding is an example of that. He even stated that he mimicked Karin's life force through research as well, no DNA Om Noming to be found. And now I don't even know what this is about. O.oSkitts (talk) 18:24, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, okay. I guess I was kinda rude. But what about the blood in the container ?--Elveonora (talk) 22:15, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * You have to take it as a metaphor, showing Oro and Kabuto's multiple experiments and acumulating knowledge throught their relationship, not as a literal thing. If he did or did not injected himself with aditional DNA is unknown, but it's highly doubtful, due to the fact that Oro's DNA was highly mutated from years of experiments and it took Kabuto a long time and pain to adapt to it. He most likely used samples and complied data to mimic the team Taka's abilities. Darksusanoo (talk) 22:41, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

But what about the blood ?--Elveonora (talk) 22:50, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * The blood represents a metaphor, like i stated above...as the vial was filling it showed pics of Oro and Kabuto, through out the years and the experiments they performed and the knowledge they obtained, not that Kabuto filled himself with all of it. The blood was more than likely various different samples from the various different experiments they did Darksusanoo (talk) 22:03, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but he injected himself with all that blood ... 99% of people understood the same thing I did from the chapter. If I read it 10x times or backwards, still the same. The container was getting filled with more and more blood as years have passed. The experiments and jailors are shown and it's getting full ... the last bits of blood to the container came from Oro's corpse not all of it. It's the same blood and container as when Kabuto was given the role of "scientist" by Oro--Elveonora (talk) 22:43, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * If Kabuto had injected himself with all that blood to advance himself, he wouldn't have taken on Orochimaru's appearance but rather an amalgamous blob. Then there's the fact that he said in the previous chapter that he only imitated their abilities, not taken them. And the fact that he hasn't displayed their abilities. That seemed like a metaphor for his advancing knowledge which Orochimaru himself mentioned at the chapters begininng. Skitts (talk) 22:56, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's necessary blood of the people I mentioned above. Even if it's a metaphor and the scenes of experiments and prisoners not taken into consideration, the blood canister is the same one as when Kabuto came into the laboratory years ago. Oro's blood was only the last bits, thus Kabuto injected himself with blood from more people--Elveonora (talk) 23:10, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

bump--Elveonora (talk) 21:54, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * There is more than likely several vials of equal appearence in their labs... that were filled as samples for different experiments and the metaphor in it is that it fills as Oro and Kabuto gain more knowledge from their experiments throughout the years. As you see the vial filling, you see Kabuto's appearence change as he grows older...i find it hard that they were able to preserve blood samples for so many years...plus with all of experiments/mutations Oro did to his body/DNA, Kabuto's body would barely be able to withstand the side effects of the adaptation process, which from the looks of it were quite painful and difficult to withstand...and as stated above if he had taken in more than one person's blood he would have exibited physical signs of it (like say, the Uzumaki's red hair for example). So at least at that chapter's specific point he only took in Oro's blood/remains. Darksusanoo (talk) 00:07, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, now I see your point. Well, I guess it also makes sense and it's safer ... just saying Kishi and science/biology are 2 different things : ) Guess we will find out later for sure --Elveonora (talk) 00:18, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

"cough cough" I don't like being right.--Elveonora (talk) 14:52, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well then pat yourself on the back...the difference is last chapter there was no definitive proof that he had taken all that DNA, now there is...we move based on solid evidence not deductions (even if they may be right) Darksusanoo (talk) 16:52, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

i think he use sakon and ukon kekkei genkai then transform the parasite body inside himself in one of the other here he create a copy of ukon inside himself thet trasform him in a copy of jirobo--Nitram86 (talk) 15:44, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

I know, read above ... I have stated the snake is similar to Sakon&Ukon's KKG and no one believed me "_" --Elveonora (talk) 16:45, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

@Darksusanoo, sometimes Kishi isn't going to tell you everything and draw 50 panels to show a single thing in detail ... brain power is also required, and that's why I prefer open-minded people --Elveonora (talk) 22:16, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes i am quite aware of that of Kishi's knack to introduce an ability's explanation like a billion chapters after the ability's introduction. And yes you were right in the end as i said before, as was i on a few occasions regarding character's abilities and that sort of deductions. What i am trying to explain here is that even though you did a correct deduction, you didn't had any solid proof of it, because last chapter didn't provide any. It was too allegorical and metaphoric to serve as proof that he did indeed assimilate all that DNA. As i said before, yes you did a good deduction, but you didn't have proof, and proof is what sets the data apart from the speculation and yes sometimes we have to work our way around Kishi's occasional scraps of information. Darksusanoo (talk) 22:33, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Kekkai Genkai
he used both sakon and ukon and kimimaro's techniques, should we include it as his own kekkai genkai?

--112.205.90.193 (talk) 14:49, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, It looked like he somehow spewed them out of his body, and they used their techniques. I think they're reanimated so It technically isn't him using it I guess. --Da-sTROLLER (talk) 16:51, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * He's already listed as the user of them and they're not reincarnated, look at their eyes.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 16:52, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

They are part of his body, similar to anime-only's Casualty Puppet Technique and it's Kabuto using the techniques, the bodies are not conscious--Elveonora (talk) 22:14, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Memory and a father figure
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/585/2 has Kabuto's memory returned and did he actually recall his past before being found by Nono on this page, or is that symbolic ?

Also is it reasonable to state that he held Orochimaru as a father figure ?--Elveonora (talk) 00:57, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Bump, any ideas ? --Elveonora (talk) 23:49, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

It looks possible that he has some memory of before he was found by Nono, he did mention that he didn't like being taken in by the enemy of his people. TricksterKing (talk) 22:23, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, any more opinions on this ? Kishi did not draw a panel or two for nothing ... I'm surprised no one noticed this. This looks pre-Nono and would explain the tears as Kabuto finally remembered who he really is ... looks like he was homeless in my opinion, so no one --Elveonora (talk) 00:40, May 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * I noticed him crying after Orochimaru's white snake form was stopped... very symbolic etc or maybe Sasuke was squeezing too hard. It would also seem that he remembered something from his past though that doesn't seem much to go with in terms of additions. As for the father figure, I wouldn't go as far as to define their relationship like that because for all we know Kabuto might have seen Orochimaru in a different way or something.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 00:49, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

I see, but something like "It seems a memory of his from before being adopted by Nono has returned  reference" could work, I mean ... it's not clear and just 2 panels but should be mentioned. For father figure, ur right ... maybe an idol ?--Elveonora (talk) 01:31, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Human body shedding/body shedding
Okay, So Body Fluid shedding allows him to reduce decoy snake to chakra filled liquid.

Human body shedding allows him to leave his human form as a serpent, naga thing.

The latest Chapter had Kabuto cut down Itachi after emerging from the Orochimaru clone he summoned was attacked, so does Kabuto have the regular old Body Shedding technique as he emerged from the snake in his human form after being attacked. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 12:58, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

not entrirely. bluid fluid shedding allows him to liquefy portions of his body using his bodily fluids, including the snakes coming from his body, and using his ability to liquefy he can put it to use in order to split apart, with his liquid form leaving behind chakra filled liquid residue. human body shedding or simply boddy shedding allows him to change his form by shedding his skin. im thinking that body shedding and human body shedding are the same, but it should be mentioned that kabuto uses it to change form.98.26.240.179 (talk) 13:04, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Why people think that body shedding results in Naga form/slithering snake mode ? Orochimaru has used the oral rebirth without turning into half-snake ... it's 2 separate techniques and that time he used it in conjunction for: -Kyubi's chakra was about to melt his body, thus to save himself -to increase his speed as chakra arms were chasing him --Elveonora (talk) 23:47, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

I personally don't see any difference in body shedding and human body shedding, but I go by the wiki's standards on these things to avoid big arguments. I'm just wondering since he did emerge from the Orochimaru thing in the same form he was in prior to using it, is it just the regular body shedding by this wiki's standards. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 23:58, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

im just saying that he could use the slithering snake mode through the body shedding technique, that doesnt mean that he cant enter that mode without shedding nor does it mean that he always enter snake mode when he uses the body shedding. he can just use it together very effectivley.98.26.240.179 (talk) 00:06, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

@Hawkeye, that's why I'm discussing it as it's apparently incorrect :) @unnamed user, yeah.--Elveonora (talk) 00:27, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Some more opinions on this or it's settled ? --Elveonora (talk) 00:41, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Water release: Great waterfall jutsu
I'm sorry for my ignorance, but I don't know how to edit the jutsu box. Could someone add this technique? Thanks ^^ Derigar (talk) 11:53, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * He's been added as a user on the jutsu page, so it will automatically add it to Kabuto's jutsu box soon. TricksterKing (talk) 12:07, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Similar thought, flute should probably be added to his equipment list. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 13:07, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Water Release technique is there already. Flute discussion is on the Demonic Flute article page.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:09, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Status
Is it soon to list him as incapacitated or something ?--Elveonora (talk) 15:03, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes.--Deva 27 15:05, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

genjutsu and panel question
Kabuto says that he should not be affected by genjutsu as his eyes are concealed ... but his eyes are wide-open for a while ... am I missing something ? Also what's happening on http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/586/3 down-left panel ? --Elveonora (talk) 23:12, May 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * 1. When Kabuto lowered his brille back in chapter 580, they completely blocked any light from entering his eyes, preventing the effects of the Sage Art: White Rage Technique and any genjutsu requiring direct eye contact. Ever since, he's been relying upon his other senses and their enhanced perception.
 * 2. Itachi is simply jumping through the spray resulting from the collision between Kabuto's water technique and Sasuke's fire one.
 * Hope this helps to answer your questions. Blackstar1 (talk) 23:30, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for explanation --Elveonora (talk) 03:31, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Speculation in Article
In the 'DNA Modifications' section, I saw this line: Isn't that bordering on speculation. Jūgo's cells are what allowed him to absorb Natural Energy, no? But where was it said that they allow him to maintain it? For starters, this battle hasn't actually lasted very long. About 3 of the last 5 chapters were flashbacks and some dialogue, so he hasn't been using it for a long time. And then there's the fact that we don't exactly know when Izanami took effect (though page 4 of 586 seems likely). I think until it's made clear that the mentioned statement is true (or someone shows me something I missed that confirms it) that it should be removed or altered. Skitts (talk) 04:19, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * "...Jūgo's ability to passively absorb natural energy, allowing him to continuously use Sage Mode without assistance."
 * Bump. Skitts (talk) 13:39, May 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Actually, Itachi stated that Izanami started the first time he was stabbed. I do agree that it does sound borderline speculation but it was said that Juugo's clan absorbs natural energy... naturally. I wouldn't say it's needed but I though the snake coming out of his abdomen had something to do with it (like the frogs for Jariaya). If I may ask, when did it state Kabuto had some of Juugo's DNA implanted into him? I must have missed it. Joshbl56  14:02, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I always thought it sounded a bit speculative, but not enough to be removed. It's more one of those cases where we were given a and c then did the patch work to get b. I don't see Jūgo's cells serving any other purpose.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 14:05, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

@Joshbl56 I made this section hours before we got the new chapter. :P And I was talking about the loop, which he initiated on the page I specified. Anyway, here Kabuto notes that Orochimaru immediately attempted to gain Jugo's clan's ability, but he hadn't found a body that could handle their ability, but Kabuto's could apparently. I just don't see where we've seen that Kabuto's kept up the technique long enough for us to have considered him to have maintained it longer than usual. He isn't Naruto, who has a certain technique that uses up a massive amount of Senjutsu chakra which is why his Senjutsu chakra would deplete so quickly. Skitts (talk) 14:22, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

He has entered Sage Mode quite quickly and lasts longer than Naruto with use of Shadow Clones--Elveonora (talk) 16:05, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * He's also been sitting still for over a day now, watching his Edo map. And again, this battle has barely been going on. 582-585 were flashbacks and he got caught in Izanami in 586, page 4. And again, he hasn't used and techniques that use massive amounts of chakra, like Shadow Clones or Rasenshuriken, so I'm not seeing the maintaining for a long time that the article posits. :X Skitts (talk) 16:15, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Just sitting does not mean he was absorbing natural energy the whole time before the fight ... that would mean Naruto is in Sage Mode while in sleep or something. Also the Izanami battle is "real" in a sense that real time "physics" apply there like he can do whatever he want ... it's like a "false reality" but not really just a normal illusion like Tsukuyomi. Kinda genjutsu with real effect like Izanagi, but instead of changing destiny, it traps one in a "destiny" but that's besides the point. And how do you know his techniques don't use massive amounts of chakra ? "_" I don't see what's the actual problem here --Elveonora (talk) 16:22, May 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * What Elvenora said is true. Plus, to top it all off, we have seen that staying in sage mode requires concentration, which he wouldn't have been able to have during Izanami, which I guess counts as a genjutsu and put him in a stupor. I still think it's speculation about him having Juugo's DNA since he only mentioned Orochimaru not finding a body that could handle it. But I can't really say anything since he can apparently add anyones DNA to his, even Kimimaro's. (This is irrelevant to the conversation but am I the only one who finds it ironic that Orochimaru was looking for the ideal body to use and Kabuto, his assistant and the closest person to him, basically became what he was looking for?) Joshbl56  16:46, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Izanami isn't really a genjutsu, it's similar to Izanagi. But besides the point, he went Sage Mode instantly and still has it activated. Also it's not a speculation that he has Jugo's DNA, I think we already went over this ... and it's not ironic, Kabuto has surpassed Orochimaru. Apparently Kabuto's body is somehow special as he can hold numerous DNA and Sage Mode ...--Elveonora (talk) 21:13, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * LolNo. Izanami IS a genjutsu and has no similarities with Izanagi other than blinding an eye. And that's why I mentioned that Kabuto had been sitting still for quite a long time, because you're assuming he 'went into Sage Mode instantly'. Also, in regards to your previous post, Izanami has no bearing in reality, nor any effect in it. It's all in the mind. The whole point to this is that there are assumptions being made about Jūgo's DNA doing something that it wasn't said to do and that Kabuto has maintained Sage Mode for a long time, which he hasn't when you go and look at how long he's actually fought for and the few techniques he's actually used.Skitts (talk) 21:39, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

I disagree about Izanami. And again, simply not moving does translate into gathering nature energy as he had to concentrate on controlling the edos and Naruto would have infinite Sage Mode as he would gather natural energy while at sleep ... it's not automatic, the user has to concentrate. Kabuto simply went Sage Mode instantly. As Cerez said, there would be no other reason to get his powers. Jugo's power and of his clan is constantly absorbing natural energy, no better power-up to think of if I were Kabuto--Elveonora (talk) 22:18, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, you can't really disagree with something that the series has shown and said, but whatever. o.o -sigh- Do you get what I'm saying? You're saying he entered Sage Mode 'instantly'. From what has been shown, that cannot happen, even from someone as experienced with it as the 800+ year old Fukasaku. For the 3rd time, the reason I'm pointing out that he sat still for over a day is that it shows he had plenty of time since Itachi broke free from his control to begin gathering Natural energy, I'm not saying it is gathered automatically by sitting still. And for all you know, Kabuto was unable to gather Natural energy before obtaining Jugo's power. Heck, he said Orochimaru did the same thing and found out his host body couldn't handle it. Skitts (talk) 22:36, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Again, he had to concentrate on Edo Tensei not gathering Natural Energy--Elveonora (talk) 22:43, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * The only time he would need to be/has been in actual control of an Edo was for Nagato, 3rd Raikage and Mū. Otherwise, it is the Fūda in the Edos' brains that control them/limit their actions, not Kabuto. Skitts (talk) 22:48, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Basically you have answered your own question, if Jugo's cells allow him to absorb passively natural energy, then that's also a mean how to maintain it.--Elveonora (talk) 23:01, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as Fukasaku has said and Naruto has shown, it's not possible to balance Natural energy to create Senjutsu chakra while on the move, so methinks not. Skitts (talk) 23:19, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Jugo disagrees, he go berserk even while moving ... that's why his clan's ability is special, likely a KKG--Elveonora (talk) 23:28, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've never seen him transform while moving. He transforms, then moves/attacks. And balancing Natural energy means you enter Sage Mode, which insomuch as I can tell, he does not. Skitts (talk) 22:33, May 28, 2012 (UTC)