Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31099706-20180331134207/@comment-33286580-20180416045623

Namikazenaruto9 wrote:

Unless Gaara unleashes Full Shukaku on Neji he isn't gonna win. Gaara's Sand will be made ineffective with Gentle fist just like KidoMaru's webs. Even the Gaara's Armor is same as Kidomaru's Sweat Armor. In fact Kidomaru's Armor actually regenerates again and again unlike Gaara's armor. Even Biju chakra is akin to the Curse seal Second stage which Kidomaru had and gave him unparalleled speed and power. Neji Survived all that on his own. The Biggest problem with Gaara's Shielding power is that its static whereas Neji's rotation is fluid like and actually reverses damage on his opponent alongside the damage from rapidly spinning top. Finally Neji can knock him out with Tenketsu attacks, As Gaara requires quite amount of preparation for transformation unlike the other jinchuriki.

Yeah, the sand of Gaara and web of Kidomaru are somewhat same, both being infused with chakra, but at the same time they are so much different.

first of all, with KidoMaru, Neji struck the weak point of the webs, like they previously did Jirobo's dome, thus breaking those thread and rendering them useless.

in case with Gaara's sand, it is sand, made up minuscule particles. even if Neji strikes the weak point of the cluster that is attcking him, the cluster may break down, but the sand particles remain and Gaara can simply form a cluster once more without much effort.

Kidomaru has to create new webs, wasting chakra, Gaara doesnt.

Neji survived Kidomaru because of a skill he used in their battle, which he had not shown in the Chunin Exams. he only redirected the attacks a bit to misss his vital points, but recieved great damage. they werent going head to head in CQC to show the difference in power.

You keep bringing the Kidomaru fight which happened after the exams and showed how all those five had grown, which means some of the skills used in this battle are not skills Neji could use in the Chunin Exams.

also in Kidomaru fight, Kidomaru essentially stopped Rotation, by restricting Neji's hands and legs with his webs. Gaara can do the same with his sand. he can simpky have the earth beneath Neji to turn to sand and grab on his legs or scatter his snad in tiny particles all around and gather at the right moment to restrict Neji.

the damage with Rotation is only going to be reversed if Gaara is going to engage him in CQC, which Gaara isnt. take the Kidomaru example, which you for odd reason despite knowing that it happened after the exmas and such most of the skills are invalid, the Rotation did not backfire on Kidomaru.

How is Neji going to knock Gaara's tenketsu if he cannot bypass the first line of sand defence as he doesnot have the kind of speed of Lee to get past it.

OH BTW, you keep bringing in Kidomaru, then hope you did not forget that Kidomaru in base with his armour withstood 64 Palms. his armour is infused with Chakra, just like Gaara's sand, which goes up to become his Sand armour.

Namikazenaruto9 wrote:

Base Lee was able to bypass Sand. And Neji is shown to easily knock out Lee in base without him revealing his trump car be it 64 palms/128 palms or Rotation. Not to mention He was actually matching Naruto powered by Kyubi Chakra who was showing speed to even froze blood curdling monster like Gaara. Even With 5th Gate there is no Guarantee Lee's attack and speed would give the edge. Already Neji is immune to problems thanks to tunnel vision (which Lee isn't) and his Gentle Fist is a hard counter to Strong Fist. Even If Lee breaks Neji's bones, He will lose if Chakra points are deactivated.(think Shira Vs Lee where Shira blocks Gate Effects of Lee by locking his Chakra points, And that was without Byakugan).

first of all, there is no mention of Neji having the speed of weightless Lee. it is not mentioned anywhere and neither does he show something along the line.

just because Neji defeats Lee all the time does not mean he has greater speed than Lee. he is more powerful shinobi, agreed, but not in terms of speed, which is essentially the key to get past Gaara's sand defence.

and as i said before, all Neji has to do to defeat Lee is strike him once with Gentle Fist. lee has no defence against any sort of attack from Neji. this is nowehre a contest of speed between the two. you yourself make this point about how Strong fist is not good against Gentle Fist as it is not even a contest of speed let alone power. all Neji has to do is strike him once at one tenketsu or hit him with Gentle fist and do internal injury. Jeez.

Neji wasnt keeping up with Naruto. his eyes were able to follow Naruto's fast moment. he was forced to use Rotation to even block a few shuriken because he couldnt keep up in body. the spinning of the Rotation slowed the shuriken and allowed him to catch them.

the Kyubi Chakra didnt seem like it froze Gaara, but more like shocked him to his core. he probably wasnt expecting another jinchuriki or that level of power.

LoneNinja wrote: @Nashi

1) Shukaku is different. He wasn't shown to do this in the war. It is even stated he is different, where as normally a Jinchuriki is covered in Chakra, the Shukaku's Jinchuriki is covered in sand. And it's also stated to use these forms, he needs to transform utilizing the method I stated above. Whether it be full Shukaku or partial.

2) First off, I never stated Neji was faster. Do not put words in my mouth. I said fast enough which is not an assumption. For the fact, that Lee himself stated just cause you can see an attack coming, doesn't mean you have the physical speed to dodge or block it. Neji apparently does since he has been stated to beat Lee countless times. So Neji is fast enough to hit Lee and dodge his attacks since he has beaten Lee, therefore, he is fast enough to hit Gaara and dodge his sand, since they both are much slower than Lee. And this is fact.

1) that is what i am confused about. you see just like Shukaku, who is covered in sand, Matatabi is also covered in fire. when the first time Yugito is shown around, she goes Biju mode by going up in flames. until B comes along the way, the Jinchuriki transformaion that only Naruto is shown so far are only his exclusive. B debunks it. he shows same transformation. later every jinchuriki except that of Shukaku shows similar transformation. it is from this i am assuming that they had all Jinchuriki have same transformations.

in part 1 Gaara shows trnasformation along the lines, but many of the things of part 1 are debunked in part 2.

also Gaara's transformation looks less of Biju trasformation, than him covering himself in sand to become more like a mini Shukaku, essentially an advanced form of his Sand Armour, at least as per my opinion.

2) Okay. maybe i took your words wrong. fine. but your argument just doesn't sit up.

i completely agree that Neji can see fast movements, thanks to the Byakugan, and also is capable of reacting to them and attacking. point taken.

SO what? you seem to not take in my point on the other hand.

Yeah. Neji can see and attack opponents faster than him, but how is this going to help him against Gaara's defence. he isnt supposed to be reacting to Gaara's defence, rather Gaara's defence reacts to his strike. Neji has to make the move and not see through a move. no matter of his reaction time is going to help him here.

to bypass Gaara's defence he has to be fast as Lee, which he isnt and you seem agree too.