Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34194151-20180107091407/@comment-3568954-20180111201056

CombatIQmatters wrote: Ninja Of War wrote: Kakashi is known for his use of the raikiri. It's a blitz attack and his go to move. It's pretty fast and his opponent was cornered. It's seems quite logical. But you said he shouldn't assume he could use it. This is one of the tactics Kakashi always uses, yet you seem disappointed by it, could you please explain why? That's Kakashi's battle style, how else is he supposed to attack?

As I explained in instance 3, Kakashi was only concerned with the two pains in front of him, surely he knows that another enemy can appear, but logically the immediate threat is there with him. I don't think the argument of "not always looking for another opponent joining the battle to intercept your attack" is a valid criticism. It certainly didn't occur in this fight.

Azura pain, wasn't properly defeated, this was likely due to Konoha not knowing of the SPoP technique in full, which is understandable.

At the end, pain was just too strong for Kakashi to deal with, too many unknowns and just too powerful to handle. 1. See this is the problem. Raikiri is supposed to be a finisher. You use another technique to setup the raikiri. The Raikiri is fast and lethal and it should be used for its speed, but not while your opponent is still centered. IF you mis-strike, its OVER. Or alternavitely, you use Raikiri as a diversion because its so fast your opponent has to respond, and then you immediately follow up with another technique. As Shikamararu said, a great strategist's move is always the fake out, and the next step is the real move. Kakashi did NO SUCH THING. He just expected to one shot a dude that defeated Sage Jiraiya. This is what i'm taking about. The fact that you say its something he always just does shows he doesn't always think outside of the box. The dude has 1000 techniques. Sure he has his favorites, but Pick out one as a diversion before you just blitz an opponent that you don't have an understanding of. And whats worse, is that after the first raikiri failed. He IMMEDIATELY does the same exact move again, and also from a father distance, which means Pain has even more time to react. Like I said, there are gold jewels in this garbage pile. I'm not saying that kakashi didn't show any intelligence here, but the point is that he has a wide arsenal and shouldn't be showing his BEST finishing moves so quickly without any setup. He could have fought smarter, which is why I say he is overrated. The fact that he has a battle style shouldn't trump situational awareness. The inability to DEVIATE from your style to calculate new variables is the opposite of being super intelligent.

If I had kakashi's arsenal, I would first use a test technique from a SAFE distance to see what Pain can do. Only after I know pain's ability would i use a finishing, close quarters trump card like raikiri. So for example. After I learned about the 5 second weakness. I would use a fire ball jutsu or something with a wide area of effect so that Pain's optimal move is to push the fireball in response. But meanwhile, i was already blitzing behind the fireball with my own raikiri. That means that I can immediately attack a surprised Pain after he wastes his shinra tensi on my diversion.

Bruh, again the problem is that kakashi HAD TIME to plan. He sat behind a rock and planned a strategy with choji and his father. In that plan, he should have been thinking on what he could do to deal with even the possibility that the Ashura Path got revived while they were all focusing on Tendo Pain. His plan was great assuming Tendo Pain was the only immediate threat, but again, it wasn't. And then what happens? The Ashura Path wakes up. Regardless of the method that the Ashura PAth was able to move again, its something that was a possibility in the generous intel kakashi recieved beforehand. So its even worse that he didn't calculate for a possible variable that was directly in front of him. So he should have had an immediate backplan in case something like that happened, like idk, dur, maybe using another lightning clone before Striking and use the clone to do the strike on the tendo pain while the real kakashi hides underground ready to strike and respond to any new variables... I could understand Choji and his father not doing this kind of proper forward thinking because they were just the muscle, kakashi was the strategist/tactician. Bruce lee said, fear not the man who practices 10,000 punches once, but fear the man who practices 1 punch 10,000 times. its true that kakashi knows over 1000 techniques but him using a technique he has consistently used most of his life is going to be more efficient than using some random one he learnt a decade ago in a fight, the raikiri is supposed to be the fastest imaginable jab. he has done it thousands upon thousands of times it comes second nature meaning he requires no thought to do it, its more likely that his raikiri would succeed than some random technique