Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34656247-20180528093116/@comment-34656247-20180531064720

Nashikeine wrote: @Jason

first things first...

change the description up there. you are the OP and even though i have never made a thread of my own i am guessing that changes can be made.

if you dont do so than don't debate with Sasuke using Susanoo Arrows. he could only make skeletal Susanoo in his fight against Kage. until you dont make that change it will be assumed that Sasuke is from the Kage fight and all of your argument using his skills from later on is null and void

It&#039;s Not Johnny wrote:

Don't mean to get in the way of you guys debating,

And Nashikeine, I disagree with Itachi barely being able to use the MS. Even after using Tsukuyomi twice and Amaterasu once, Itachi never showed insane recoil. He was panting heavily, yes, but it doesn't mean it was his absolute limit. Him retreating could be defined as him not wanting to harm the Leaf Village because of his secret mission. Either that, or Itachi's powers got retconned because Itachi explained that he wanted to wait for "Amaterasu" to turn to "Tsukuyomi" or something like that, implying that he couldn't use both at the same time, which doesn't make sense. And I also have some things listed in my other comment in regards to Obito with his MS. I think you'll find it interesting. As for matching up the characers, that's really all we can do because an entire team battle would be pretty chaotic and hard to tell what would happen.

feel free to get in.

I was just trying to get an idea of how much of use Itachi could make of his MS. it was clear that he used more of it during Sasuke fight so i agree that he has more uses.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Yeah....but i was referring to Itachi and his chakra, you said that's how powerful totsuka is,the guy needs susanoo to use totsuka, and it's amazing he maintained it in such a state. Nah his eyes were still mangekyou after using those techs, after he tanked kirin that's when his ms faded. And concerning the weapons, he was shown to use yata mirrior in stage 2 humanoid susanoo, and in the anime he was shown to use a mini version of the totsuka blade.it was shown different in the manga. susanoo then weapons....in the end itachi still gets the credit, not totsuka.

I specifically said the manga didnt i. cannon is manga. if manga portrays somethings it is the first and foremost fact.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Wasn't it kinda poor? besides Minato won't be constantly looking out for these guys like they're rin or obito, they're capable of battling.

read the start of the post. Sasuke cannot use SUsanoo Arrow. change the thread and we will talk.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: With ms, he conquered clans....and was feared, he still fought hashirama with ms. Anyways ignore that.

yep. ignoring it.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Well kinda, he showed better against Juubi Obito, analysing and deducing the way The TSB works. Now who on team uchiha won't accomplish that? maybe except for obito....countering guruguru's tech's was kinda an obvious move since he possesed all 5 releases as well.

i showed feats, while there is nothing for others other than statements.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Yea in the anime it was shown that he saw the seal that was placed on one of the many kunais tobirama threw at izuna after they clashed their fire and water release tech. Were'nt they the top dudes because they possesed mangekyou? Well he was'nt good at genjutsu, tobirama and him made eye contact but he still failed to place the guy under genjutsu, if it was shisui or Itachi that would've been RIP tobirama. so that's a hint of izuna's poor mastery of the ms.

so just because Izuna was not good with Genjutsu means he was weak. wow.

and you say he noticed the seal and yet couldnt react was not a proof that FTG is unavoidable for Sharingan users. a mature Sharingan, which he definitely possessed sees people before they make their move and see through fast moments. you are just proving my point. and Minato was better at FTG than Tobirama.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Minato's opponent at that time was AY and not BEE, and also there is no way that bee would've known that seal was placed on gyuki's tentacle also he would'nt have suggested an attack coming at him since they already deduced that Minato requires the marked kunais to teleport (thats what they thought only) and no kunai was around bee.

and i am saying B outsmarted him. he believed in his instincts and got the better of Minato.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

They dont know about his abilities, that doesnt mean they dont know who he is. To put it simply itachi and kisame knew about Jiraiya's title as sannin, but did they have any idea about his jutsus? kisame was probably just scared because of all the rumors....just like madara, no know really knew what he was capable of but yet feared him blindly. And dude that's totally valid,him changing his stance will definitely raise suspicion. Itachi crouched down, started weaving signs but sasuke interrupted him by throwing the shadow shuriken at him.....see he prevented the attack without knowing what the hell it is. Now jiraiya being in that stance will be like telling the uchiha's hey attack me

SO they know Jiraiya is the Legendary Sannin who has fought in war and has a reputation of being TOade Sage, but somehow they wont know of him being able to use Toads in battle, especially when all in opposition are Konoha shinobi and three of them were borm after the fame that Jiriaya recived.

i get it for SM, but dont even say so about his non SM skills.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Madara was sure of himself then, him being an edo, possessing the rinnegan and wood release...who would be scared and not take things lightly? Amaterasu slaps Hiruzen who is less mobile.

tell that to Madara who confronted Muu and Ohnoki when he was alive.

Sasuke all tired dodged 2 Amaterasu from Itachi in his fight and he didnt use some otherworldly jutsu to do so. he simply ran from where Itachi's sight was pointed at. even the 3 only clipped his wings. So, somehow the professor cannot devise a plan especially knowing of Amaterasu to avoid it.