Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-3965545-20170621043245/@comment-734582-20170622173018

Rachin123 wrote: What? It specifically stated that only someone of a close bloodline could break the Tsukuyomi, which is how Sasuke broke it. It is not speculation. It is a fact. I'm not denying that someone like that can break out. I'm seriously doubting that that is the only way. Again the strongest person it got used against was Kakashi, a Jonin. We've seen what higher-tiers do to MS techniques (Minato straight-up outplaying Kamui, the Raikage blasting straight through Amaterasu with relatively low damage). We've not seen anyone of such serious strength take Tsukuyome. Rachin123 wrote: I don't know why you are trying to downplay the Tsukuyomi. Also, stamina has nothing to do with whether or not you get caught in genjutsu, so yes even Naruto would get caught. Why accuse me of downplaying it? With the information we have, it's probably the strongest jutsu by far. Considering that other jutsu have clear weaknesses and trade-offs (Amaterasu can be indirectly manipulated, IE sand shields, Kamui has clear time limits and was mostly OP due to Obito's spamming), Tsukuyome's "dont be caught or a blood relative" is laughable. Which makes me think that there ARE trade-offs, we just don't know it.

I don't mean stamina to not get caught (though i'm curious if someone with a strong enough chakra could simply break it, as it's still genjutsu), i mean stamina to survive the aftermath. Kakashi collapsed, but he's low-chakra Kakashi. Sasuke collapsed but he's a Genin. If Jiraiya got hit, would he be able to fight (although shaken) afterwards?

Rachin123 wrote: Oh please. Jiraiya is great and all, but there is no way in hell that he could defeat Kisame and Itachi together. Agreed, although Itachi was already weakened from a couple of MS uses. But i think it's fairly clear that this was why Kisame was doubting Itachi's statements: worst case (Itachi can't take on Jiraiya) he still has backup. Rafaelrios123 wrote: I also agree that itachi statement that he couldn't beat jiraya sounds like bulshit Itachi had already used 3 MS techniques, so he was considerably weakened. The matchup was probably closer than you think. In akatsuki's favor, but Itachi (misleading or not) called it too close and Kisame doubted that.