Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34656247-20181008062436/@comment-6769189-20181012211555

CombatIQmatters wrote: @LegionZero

Idk what to tell you. sasuke clearly stated he was simply guiding the lightning that formed naturally from the nimbus clouds. And that doesnt make it faster, just bigger and stronger.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

First of all, nagato didn't have the preta path available at the time, so he had no choice but to scatter, and even then he still reset his formation. When the preta path came back online they stuck to their formation. Well now that he has Preta ha can absorb Susanoo.

Secondly, rasenshuriken is slower than totsuka blade. the pains ain't reacting. Why does multiple summons even matter? The summons matter because once they are out Itachi will have to focus his initial attacks elsewhere. The initial draw of the blade is instant, not its swings so after the 1st summon the Pains either svatter or Preta takes the front to absorb whatever comes.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

the other summons would be released because animal path would be one of the pains that die. we clearly saw that when animal path dies, all his/her summons poof away. Has this ever been shown to be true?

CombatIQmatters wrote:

asura charges like how he charged at tsunade? great, he gets caught in the totsuka blitz as well. And why would Nagato send Asura charging at Susanoo when he Asura has rockets and lasers that can take out blocks per blast? He didnt know Naruto wasnt fodder at the time he sent in Asura for a direct assault.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Lol no, kakashi saw when kurenai was kicked on to the water. kakashi had two shadow clones ready, one was protecting asuma, and one was watching kurenai and itachi. Complete and utter speculation. All we know is Kakashi showed up when Kurenai was already in the water and Itachi had plenty of time before that to use a shadow clone.

Kakashi only used 1 shadow clome to protect Asuma.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Asuma also was twiddling his thumbs while he watched his wife, his bae, go to work against itachi and kisame with her genjutsu. he would have seen itachi make a clone and alerted his allies. Asuma was fighting Kisame. Read the manga.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

your other claim can easily be debunked because substitution is a thing. itachi could have spawned the clone behind kakashi then substituted with it afterward. Hell, we have even seen kakashi swap places with naruto's shadow clone, so yeah. so if kakashi can swap places in the blink of an eye with a shadow clone that isn't even his, what is stopping itachi from doing the same? nothing Way to come up with the most convoluted sceneario that requires Itachi to be faster than some of the stuff you scoffed at that i suggested happened.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

kakashi's sharingan allowed him to see the substitution He was under water he wouldnt have seen anything.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

it doesn't even matter how itachi got his clone behind them. There was never a clone behind Kakashi. Stop fabricating the scenario that there was.

The manga shows us that the clone never moved because there were no ripples inder his feet. Kakashi never had the real Itach in front of him.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Lol, so you concede itachi can create a crow clone faster than sasuke can see and appear behind kabuto, enough said. Not in the bizarre way you suggest. There was more than enough time for Itachi to create his clone while Sasuke was having a scuffle with Kabuto panels before Itachi launched his attack.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

if itachi was flanking kabuto from behind why didn't sasuke see him? Because its a cave with lots of places to hide.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Itachi had no trouble reacting to kabuto 's speed. we clearly see him reacting to kabuto multiple times He never reacted to Kabuto at close range. Kabuto dodged a surprise strike from Itachi. While distracted by crows.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

the only outlier was the one time kabuto took him by surprise. that never happened again, before or after. Only outlier. Kabuto and Itachi had 3 up close confrontations. 2 of which Kabuto was able to dodge him despite being distracted by crows and misdirected by a clone and the other time Kabuto was about to land a 2nd hit that itachi couldnt react to

If Itachi was so fast how come he couldnt dodge either of Kabuto's strikes? If he was so fast why was Kabuto able to dodge him even though he was distracted?

CombatIQmatters wrote:

lol no, kakashi planted a chain in the ground and threw a kunai smoke bomb. he was fighting just fine. Before Kakashi launched his final Raikiri. There was no smoke bomb involved. In his fight with Pain ever.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Again, we don't know high he jumped, or when he jumped. Kakashi isn't the speed of lightning either, already debunked. While using Raikiri he is. Thats how Raikiri got its name. Kakashi has an on-panel feat of him intercepting lightning in 334.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

By your logic kakashi is the fastest character in the series at the time of the pain arc. and no one can dodge him, as per black zestu's statement Zetsu said Kirin was unavoidable. Which he said not long after he described how the attack was on a much larger scale than a lightning jutsu with the users own chakra would be. It was as big as the hideout and blew the entirw hide out to bits. Itachi would have never bern able to outrun the justu and the explosion because its so big.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

and yeah, itachi slacked off for those 3 years too? smh. No he was just getting sicker and sicker from a terminal illness. There was nothing to suggest Itachi became significantly, if at all stronger from part 1.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Kakakshi could't do anything speed wise to 30 percent itachi. so itachi is still much faster than kakashi, nothing suggests otherwise. And you are still using comparisons between Part 1 characters to validate your views of Part 2 characters even though Kakashi has better feats in Part 2.