Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180205153025/@comment-26107879-20180211011601

No he was talking to Kakashi. Because the clone did not use Doton. Kakashi did.

"Indeed, you are a skilled Jutsu user. Cause you concealed yourself with that Doton (Earth Release), I didn't see you until it was too late. No wonder... I wouldn't expect /you/ to be affected by the Genjutsu. This was a Kage Bunshin (Shadow Clone)." /This/ Refers to Shadow Clone. /You/ Refers to Kakashi.

If he was referring to the Shadow Clone, he would've said "I wouldn't expect /you/ to be affected by the Genjutsu. /You're/ a Kage Bunshin (Shadow Clone)."

I never claimed the Sharingan: Genjutsu was unstoppable. And it wasn't instant. The Genjutsu was shown. He was trapped in it for a bit to the point that he was nearly burned completely to ash, and Itachi was even talking. That isn't instantaneous. I also never claimed Menma couldn't break the Genjutsu. All I've been asking you is how does he? You stated, with Kurama's Chakra, which I countered with Genjutsu: Sharingan can control Kurama and prevent Menma from using his reserves. So that means you have to tell me how Menma breaks the Genjutsu without Kurama's reserves.

Then you have to explain why Itachi is holding still, since in Chapter 15, Kakashi wasn't. Why Itachi wouldn't cut his throat while Menma is trapped in Genjutsu, before he breaks it.

I don't care if the scenario is lame. Change the fight description to them having prep time if you want them going all out, and having Itachi have his Susanoo out and Menma with his masked beasts.

My scenario is the most likely to happen since Itachi does this all the time. His first move is almost always a Genjutsu.