Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26927547-20150918050055/@comment-26773508-20150918114341

Actionmanrandell wrote: actually Asura's ideology was a success as his ideology was the value of others and the power of the friends and allies he made. the moment Asura awakened a power equal to that of his brother indra's was the moment his ideology succeeded. Indra on the other hand had an ideology that power and force could achieve anything, even peace. where in Asura's ideology was based around the power of comradery. you say that asura was a failure but its pretty hard to gain peace when your twin brother who is just as powerful as you decides to wage war on you. its also just as hard for your descendants to gain peace. and in the end his ideology succeeded via naruto Dude where is it said that Indra was Asura's twin? Indra was the elder brother. There's no mention of twins in Asura and Indra's story.

NarutoPolitics wrote: Tobirama who honestly was barely a peace seeker himself and wanted to kill off the Uchiha and anyone who didn't agree with him. He didn't want to kill off the Uchiha. Where the hell did you get this impression from? Tobirama merely recognized the hereditary tendency of the Uchiha to go batshit crazy, unlike other clans. He also understood the psychological and physiological reasons behind it. Obito's conversion to the dark side is the ultimate vindication of Tobirama's suspicions. As such, he tried his best to harness the unstable nature of the Uchiha's powers into something positive. That, on hindsight, proved to be a failure. That doesn't mean Tobirama was some warmongering ethnic cleanser.

Also, he may not have had desired peace as strongly and passionately as Hashirama, but he did value peace over constant warfare. You can clearly see that from the discussion between kid Hashi, Tobi and Itama. Tobirama was clever enough at that age to come to the conclusion that mutual agreement through discussions, and the ability to commit to those agreements, was the most practical path to peace. He also called the adult shinobis as "fools" for using violence instead of diplomacy and peace talks. So no, Tobirama did desire peace. His heart was not as warm as Hashi, but he wasn't a warmongering maniac as you imply him to be.