Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26388300-20160301040622/@comment-142748-20160312032032

Rachin123 wrote: @Askin When did Hashirama get his "ass" kicked by Juubito? He didn't even get his "ass" kicked by Juubidara, just got beat in the end. Over exaggerated much... When did he get his ass kicked? When first form Juubi Obito blitzed him. Hashirama admitted Obito was stronger than him. Not only that, blind Madara kicked Hashirama's ass.

Hashirama has no chance at all against Juubi Jins by his own admission. Sasuke effortlessly curbstomped Shinju absorbed Juubi Jin Madara. And Sasuke's gotten far stronger since then.

Hashirama has absorption techniques...that don't work on Susanoo. Madara with complete humanoid was deflecting Mokuryu all day remember? Its also why Hashirama had to strip Susanoo from Kurama since he couldn't absorb Kurama's chakra to subdue him. Against a Six Paths power, Rinnegan using Sasuke, all of Hashirama's absorption techniques are useless.

Rachin123 wrote: @Uchiha When was it said Sasuke had massive chakra reserves before the whole Hagomoro gift?

You guys do realize Hashirama has several jutsus to bind and or absorb chakra from Susanoo. Not to mention having Sage Mode helps him too. The 1000 arm wood jutsu. Also, what makes you certain Hashirama won't be able to react and dodge the switching jutsu Sasuke has? The only people Sasuke has used it against are non sensor ninjas.

People are underestimating Hashirama severely. Just because Naruto and Sasuke became the saviors and not even alone might I add. Canonically, Hashirama's absorbing techniques do not work on Susanoo. He wasn't able to absorb Madara's Susanoo off of Kurama, he had to strip it off him. Nor was he able to absorb Susanoo when it was Susanoo vs Mokuryu.

Rachin123, you don't get the severe physical descrepancy between Sasuke and Hashirama. Hashirama is the top of the Top Tier, that's true. But against God Tiers (which Sasuke and Naruto are of the top 3 now) he loses 10 times out of 10. Just like he loses to any Juubi Jin. We're not overestimating Naruto and Sasuke, you're overestimating Hashirama. Hashirama has long since been surpassed. Sasuke, and by extension Naruto, surpassed Hashirama since the War Arc (manga flat out says Naruto surpassed all the Hokage and Sasuke's his near equal). And since then, Naruto and Sasuke have gotten stronger (with their feats in The Last and Boruto: Naruto the Movie being far better than their feats in the War), it wouldn't be surprising for them to be at least on Hagoromo and Hamura's level pre-Jinchuriki for Hagoromo.