Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34656247-20180528093116/@comment-34656247-20180529094741

Nashikeine wrote: Normal in all regards, just like the lightning Genjutsu by the bodygaurd of A being used or sound genjutsu by Tayuya. Itachi wasnt someone who needed to rely on his Sharingan alone to use Genjutsu. that is how good he was at Genjutsu. Also, all the Genjutsu were used on Naruto, who was pants at Genjutsu. Even Itachi had to rely on his eyes to trap others in Genjutsu. You said otherwise at first xd

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: It was two tsukuyomi, one on sasuke and one on Kakashi, plus a single use of amaterasu. Nashikeine wrote: the one on Kakashi was used in Konoha and this one in a town away from Konoha. we donot how much time had passed, but it is clear some time had passed by. his eyes probably recovered a bit. Ah good point.but ah bit isn't really acceptable. Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Also though he was dying he had to stay alive to complete his plan so he wasnt really throwing away techniques, he had to stay alive to seal oro. If he was indeed throwing away techniques wildly then he would've died before he would've died ;_;. So sick Half blind Itachi, used tsukuyomi (the power level is unclear), susanoo, spammed amaterasu, clone, fire release, 2 genjutsu (i think), shuriken jutsu (for about 20 sec?). Now those will have to multiply greatly since this itachi has a fresh Mangekyou plus healthy chakra.

Nashikeine wrote: Even half dead he could seal away Oro. that's how powerful Totsuka sword is. only probably a tug of war of souls could stop it probably, something Orochimaru has no idea how to do. most of the common jutsu really do not pose much of a backlash on his eyes. as we are talking about MS and his backlash. he used Tsukuyomi once, and he didnt spam Amaterasu. he used it 4 times (manga). 1st to counter fireball, 2nd, 3rd and 4th to burn Sasuke of which the first two Sasuke dodged. after that he was unable to use his amaterasu eye more or less. More like that's how powerful Itachi is and not totsuka, i mean itachi is the one who had to maintain stage 3 susanoo afterall, in the state.When he burned through the toad stomach his sharingan deactivated after just one use of amaterasu and tsukyomi, now to stregthen the second point his eyes didnt really cooldown at all. When he burned the wall, he used two tsukuyomi and one shot of amaterasu>>sharingan deactivated. When up against sasuke he used 1 tsukuyomi and 4 amaterasu >> sharingan remained active. So tsukuyomi is really the chakra consuming tech you would agree?

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Sasuke used stage 2 susanoo as well, remember he shot an arrow at danzo...this arrow will be useful against almost everyone in team Minato, except for Minato. Kakashi is definitely faster than hiruzen and Jiraiya yet he had to resort to kamui to evade that arrow and not his physical speed.

Nashikeine wrote: Oh. so it is Sasuke before he acquired EMS. or more specifically when he fought Danzo. i assumed him to be the one who fought the Kage. it does give him advantage. but the most arrows he could shoot was 3. and dont forget that danzo actually diverted it by using wood release so it isnt like they cannot be defended against. Minato can FTG them away or others use some tactic to divert it. It's not like Minato would be free, his hands would be full,again not fodder guys. It's the same sasuke that fought the kages xd. Minato would have to focusing on his opponent he can't multitask to such an extent even he panic's as seen in the war, tobirama had to come to his rescue, and hearing the name Madara uchiha all 4 of them would be a little scared, knowing Madara's feats and all.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: These guys are basically the kings of analysis mostly Madara and Itachi, with them having the sharingan makes it worse. Also we'll stick to what Hiruzen at that age was shown to use xD

Nashikeine wrote: yeah, Madara, Itachi, Minato are all good at analysis. but they are so no par on the Professor. That's debateable.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: AGREE on the Minato part greatly. But he's definitely not gonna solo this team, I think Izuna just lacked reaction time that lead to his death, killer bee was able to counter Minato after he used FTG to appear behind of BEE and no kunai was there only the FTG seal which bee didnt know of. So these aren't fodder Iwa nin, Yondaime .-.

Nashikeine wrote: Izuna certainly didnt seem to lack reaction time. he too had MS and had fought the brothers on countless occassion. it is said by Kakashi that Sharingan cannot follow FTG Minato. B used his mind. and that was real great feat by B. he probably sensed the tag on his tail and made the conclusion. Ah he did, he saw the flying raijin seal but did'nt budge, or maybe he just could'nt. He did have an MS but his mastery over is great? that's obviously unclear. Well Kakashi is wrong, cuz bee didn't have a sharingan but he followed and countered it perfectly..providing he could sense the tag which is unlikely since even obito didn't, that doesn't mean he knows where Minato will appear. Maybe slight of hand? idk about this one, but it was countered by bee, and these guys are masters of their Mangekyou (idk about obito).

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: For him to enter sage mode his hands must be placed together and his actual movement will be greatly reduced, so the uchihas would definitely suspect that he is up to something...wont they? Sasuke's susanoo arrow is a perfect counter for this.

Nashikeine wrote: First of all he doesnt need his hands placed together to enter Sage Mode. he was doing so to gather chakra to summan Ma and Pa. once he does that the two can simply join with with Jiraiya and provide him with the Senjutsu to enter Sage Mode. that is what the combination was supposed to be for. to weed out the weakness of Senjutsu. and just because he took a stance should not really mean much to the Uchiha team. it isnt like they know of Sage Mode Jiraiya. they would assume he intends to use some big ass jutsu. then Jiraiya entering sage mode without MA and PA will be simply useless,the stance is necessary and of course it will mean something to the uchiha team,jiraiya fighting normal, exchanging hands with sasuke then all of a sudden he summons bunta and enters that stance....hmm pretty suspicious, ''he's up to something wonder what it is? he's a legendary sannin so whatever he's up to will definitely not be good 'o' '', -thats something they'll say, and would obviously try to cancel.