Talk:Chidori

Origins
It's something that has bothered me for a bit and I kinda just want to have it answered here so it can be referenced: where was it ever said that the Chidori was a result of the failed attempt to make "Lightning Release: Rasengan?"--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 22:12, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Around the time Naruto was learning nature transformation. Don't recall the exact chapter. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:29, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Lawx I re-read the entire training period and even checked when Kakashi actually first used the Rasengan, can't find a mention of it any where. The closest I came was Kakashi saying in the Gaiden that his technique was like Minato's moniker.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 22:58, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

it's chpt 321--
 * Care to cite a page as well. Because in that chapter Kakashi says nothing that sounds like "i failed to add lightning release to the Rasengan but made Chidori in the process".--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 08:25, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * he doesn't say that because that's not what happened. chidori is an alternative to lightning rasengan and not a byproduct. pg 7, 'if that were the case i wouldn't have needed to develop chidori.' pg 9, 'i wasn't able to combine my elementally recomposed lightning chakra with the spatially recomposed chakra of the rasengan.'
 * Page 7: Kakashi explained spatial re-composition using the Chidori as an example. Page 9/10 he does say that he would have never had needed to create Chidori, however, he does not say that the Chidori is a failed Lightning Release: Rasengan. If you notice he said he wouldn't have had to create the Chidori and if you look at the two techniques, at least for me, there is no similarities in design except for spatial re-composition. It does sound like he might have used the "Lightning Release: Rasengan" as a basis for the Chidori but not "hey the Lightning Release: Rasengan failed but I'll call this Chidori.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:30, January 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Apparantly, chidori is not a failed Lightning Release: Rasengan. It was just that he couldn't do it; So he created chidori.

"Kakashi"

- When Kakashi learned how to use the Rasengan, he attempted to infuse it with lightning-chakra as it was originally intended to be combined with element chakra, but ultimately failed. However, he used the same theoretical principle to create the Chidori.


 * That sums it up ;)~ Ultimate  Supreme  13:42, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Exactly, he took elements from it and engineered the Chidori, in a similar manner to Minato who thought he was b/a enough to use the Tailed Beast Ball.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:48, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Habataku Chidori
Where does that term come from? Seelentau 愛議 21:09, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

I think it was given that name in Ultimate Ninja 3. I did not know of it being named in the Anime though.--Yomiko-chan (talk) 21:21, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Just don't add It In the article If your not sure, try searching the term and trying to find out If It's been mentioned In the Anime but I don't think It has-- *J*E*A*N* *M*A*R*C* *D*A*I*C*H*O*U* *L*O*V*E*S* *N*A*R*U*T*O* 21:43, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not the only name for Cursed Seal Chidori, but I think it was the first. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:38, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * So... where does it come from? I don't play the Naruto games, was it named there? Is there any proof or source? Seelentau 愛議 22:43, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not 100% sure, but I think that it was used in passing somewhere in the Second Databook, not as a part of its own section, but in a text about the plot or something. I recall ShounenSuki using the term. Either that or in the artbook where that scene was colored. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:39, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Couldn't find anything :/ Seelentau 愛議 08:23, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Kinda offtopic, but the article states that it's black, should be noted that it was colored as purple in manga. Actually, it's not even it's own technique, just Chidori done with curse mark level 2 activated. Since manga pages usually aren't colored and anime interpretations aren't firsthand and trustworthy, technically, each Chidori and every lightning related technique that Sasuke did with the seal activated was purple, or should be by logic. I'm really interested about the source too Omni. This isn't any different than Naruto in Kyubi cloak doing Rasengan, it doesn't become anything different. Sounds like vermilion rasengan case to me, fanmade name or from a videogame--Elveonora (talk) 14:10, March 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * To answer all the questions because it requires someone who has been around forever:
 * The exact origins of Flapping Chidori is unknown, but what is known it existed way way back when this place was a pit stain on the internet and Wikipedia was the primary source of Naruto information. Where it came from, I have no idea, but our previous translator ShounenSuki did use it so I can only assume it's legit somewhere. That being said, Flapping Chidori did come before any official name any game provided for it, so /shrug.
 * Now that being said, the "black" lightining was based purely on the imagery it had when first used. Compared to every Chidori previously and after, which was just white lines around the hand, Flapping Chidori had the noticeable black lightning, so that was a thing.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 14:19, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Black in anime, purple on chapter/volume cover ;D I remember people listing Sasuke as a user of "black lightning" due to this ._. talk about logic, and lol, since we have no source, there's a chance it's false altogether. And damn, you must be pretty old Ultimate--Elveonora (talk) 14:29, March 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Been around since 2007. If you count the Wikipedia days, a year or so longer.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 15:22, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Googling 羽撃く千鳥 doesn't seem to bring up any results from databooks, only videogames--Elveonora (talk) 14:03, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * In case you haven't found it yet, Habataku Chidori originated from Sasuke's profile in the 2nd Databook, a side box in which it speaks of this "blade" he was given for the purpose of protecting those close to him, being used to sever his bonds with them instead; the name is presented as the title... Also, Sasuke has never used this particular Chidori since his fight with Naruto at the Valley of the End. The colored depictions of Sasuke's Chidori in the Lv2 state were just regular ol' Chidori. SaiST Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 11:32, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * We should add the name "Habataku Chidori" to the article. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 12:04, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's already been mentioned under the Ten no Juuin's influence, which I believe is sufficient. SaiST Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 12:13, June 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Saw it now. An article wouldn't be bad either, but i believe it is enough. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 12:38, June 29, 2013 (UTC)

Six Paths
So, any suggestions on how to rephrase the title to reflect it's new use? "Influence of Senjutsu", perhaps? —「SaiST」Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 09:40, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say senjutsu. Madara said that senjutsu and the Rinnegan existed both in him when comparing himself to Naruto, so that means that whatever Sasuke has, it's not senjutsu. I'd just call it "Six Paths influence" or something like that for now. A good functional difference would be good as well. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:32, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually Sasuke has Senjutsu, hence the topic on his talkpage. He wouldn't be able to harm Madara otherwise--Elveonora (talk) 18:47, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, please don't go to other talk pages and state your point of view as fact when the main discussion isn't even close to being resolved. • Seelentau 愛議 18:50, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * ^ What Seel said. Hard. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:53, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Erm, I assumed that Sasuke's statement of also having "Rikudō's power" referred to his Senjutsu. The fact that he has only ever used this variant of Chidori once before while using a form of Senjutsu in Orochimaru's Juuinka may also suggest that to be the case... But, whatever, I'll let you guys box it out on Sasuke's Talk Page. :P —「SaiST」Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 20:48, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Glad you agree with me. Omni's explanation of Sasuke attacking and being capable to harm Madara because of plot doesn't work because the plot itself has established only Senjutsu and Taijutsu work--Elveonora (talk) 20:52, April 22, 2014 (UTC)