Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-25498052-20141004162612/@comment-24649454-20141105213524

TricksterKing wrote: he can absorb chakra and he can attack, just because he hasn't learned how to do both at the same time doesn't matter. It was nothing to do with him not knowing how to do both at the same time, it was that he physically couldn't due to him having a brand new rinnegan, nothing to do with his control over it. Do you get the difference?

TrueAlphaJ wrote: Did sasuke come into the world with his sharingan activated/unlocked or did he have to go through different ordeals for him to awake the three tomoe sharingan... You don't seem to grasp the concept of base forms, like I said earlier, Sasuke has a 4 in genjutsu according to the 3rd databook, the databooks are written using a tier system and are based on a character's base form. As such, Sasuke before he awakened EMS had a 4th tier level genjutsu rating. This is only possible (given his shown feats) if he is permitted the usage of his Sharingan meaning that Sasuke's Sharingan (and possibly even EMS now but improbably) is/are considered to be part of his base form. You don't get to decide what Sasuke's base form is constituted of, Kishimoto does and I don't think you can argue with what the manga-ka says.

TrueAlphaJ wrote: ...when was the last time sasuke or naruto has been seen fighting in base forms... Again like I've already said, they fought each other just after Sasuke killed Danzo 11 times thanks to Izanagi, not to mention fighting Kakashi, 3 Kage and killing hundreds if not thousands of Samurai, with little to no rest in between. As a result he was extremely fatigued and deactivated his Sharingan for his clash with Naruto collectively resulting in Naruto being at a massive advantage in terms of handicaps yet their fight ended in a stalemate. Tbh, I'm not sure how you could forget that encounter, it was rather memorable.

TrueAlphaJ wrote: ...what is a samurai compared wo sasuke? fodder thats like saying killing white zetsu is impressive 1 Samurai isn't impressive no, but Sasuke didn't kill 1 Samurai, he killed hundreds if not thousands of them and he did so effortlessly. People never say that Madara's meteor jutsu isn't impressive even though all of the people he killed using it were fodder Shinobi. Remember that after the 1st day of the war, 40,000 Shinobi had died and 50,000 white Zetsu had died. Also even fodder can be impressive in large enough numbers as evidenced by the tug-of-war the Shinobi Alliance had with Obito concerning the Juubi's chakra. Basically your point lacks either thought, logic or both.

TrueAlphaJ wrote: ...ignore him spliting his chakra sending his clones to each battlefield ignore him sharing his chakra with 40 000 plus shinobi plus the edo kages... When did I say I was ignoring it? For starters, the Edo Kage have unlimited chakra so they didn't need any of Naruto's chakra and as such never got any. Second, there were nowhere near 40,000 Shinobi left alive for Naruto to share chakra with thanks mainly to Madara and his meteors, at most there were roughly 15-20,000 of them. Plus he used so much chakra doing that that on numerous occasions he had to have rests where he got healed or replenished his chakra via Kurama or used chakra the other Bijuu had given him or needed Minato to supply him with extra chakra via his half of Kurama. In retrospect he kinda bit off more than he could chew by sharing his chakra with all those people. Third, Naruto's Shadow clone Jutsu is one of his techniques he uses to fight people, you can hardly use it as a reason to why he's so fatigued as after he dissipates his shadow clones, any remaining chakra they had goes back to him, therefore the chakra used by the jutsu is equal to the chakra he'd have used if his real body were to have fought all those opponents. So your points aren't gaining you any ground there I'm afraid.

TrueAlphaJ wrote: ok completely refreshed right im sure you would see it that way No need for the digs...Anyway, you can tell by looking at the way the character's are drawn alone. After receiving Hagoromo's powers they are both relatively free of fatigue marks (those small lines on their skin which are universal manga shorthand) They also stop having baggy eyes, (another shorthand method) and you can also tell from their actions and personalities that they are fully recovered. Not to mention that if they weren't they'd hardly be able to move to the fact that they were essentially on their deathbeds before getting power from Hagoromo, they'd be in Guy's state near enough.

As for your analysis of the fight against Kaguya and Madara, it is both extremely inaccurate and biased. A true analysis would be:

At the end of chapter 672, Naruto showed up, deflected Madara's TSB using his new powers and proceeded to save Guy by rekindling his chakra, he didn't restore his chakra that's what med-nin do.

Then in 673, Naruto fought Madara and due to Madara's injuries and getting help from Son Goku had the upper hand yet he was still able to do very little damage to Madara and couldn't stop him from absorbing the Shinjuu tree in order to get a power up and heal his own wounds.

In 674,

Saving this reply as I go along btw, as it's rather long and I was writing it earlier and was on my last point when suddenly I lost everything I'd typed thus far somehow.