Talk:Indra Ōtsutsuki

Something playing on my mind
It's generally agreed that Hagoromo directly inherited the Rinnegan half of her Kekkei Mōra, in it's Mōra form. So I was wondering if Indra inherited an original Mōra form of the other half? Could anyone enlightened as to his databook entry correct me? :) Pesa123456789 (talk) 15:08, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * What?--Elve Talk Page 16:04, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * He's asking if Indora's Sharingan is a Kekkei Mora. Which it isn't. Neither is Hagoromo's Rinnegan, but people here can't accept that databooks make mistakes. • Seelentau 愛 議 16:08, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * I see. Well, we can't be 100% sure what is a mistake and what isn't. There are many erroneous inclusions and exclusions in the databook and I thought we don't correct them--Elve Talk Page 16:22, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. But Hagoromo having only the KKM class doesn't mean that his Rinnegan is a KKM in the same way Danzo not having the Kuchiyose class doesn't mean that his Baku is no Kuchiyose. • Seelentau 愛 議 16:31, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * So are you suggesting that we remove the KKM classification from the Rinnegan, then? 18:38, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Of course. • Seelentau 愛 議 18:49, August 23, 2015 (UTC)

I certainly disagree. Put yourself in the time-pressed Kishi's shoes; he could easily forget Baku amongst his other abilities because it's not the focal point of his arsenal... It was gone as quick as it came, and never even mentioned again. On the flip side, the Rinnegan is one of the two centre pieces of Hagoromo's arsenal - it gets his attention straight away. Pesa123456789 (talk) 19:49, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Kishimoto has countless assistants that helped him writing the databook. There's no way we can know what was a mistake and what was intentional, so the only logical course of action is not to add anything that wasn't explicitely stated. But this wiki isn't really good at using logic. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:55, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming the manga said Rinnegan = KKG and the databook said KKM? If so, then I don't see why not. Manga > databook, right? The rest we can just note in the trivia section. 20:44, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * The databook didn't give Hagoromo KKG, they only gave him KKM for whatever reason. Going by that, people decided that his Rinnegan must've been a KKM, because that's much more likely than the KKM classification being just another mistake in this mistake ridden book. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:49, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm fully aware of that (I once considered his TSB to be KKM because of that at one point). Considering the mass confusion the databook brought, we probably didn't have our heads screwed on correctly then. But again, manga > databook. Therefore, if the manga says "Rinnegan = KKG" then that's how it should be classified here, with the KKM thing being noted in the trivia section or so, if possible. 21:27, August 23, 2015 (UTC)

Creator of Ninjutsu
The fourth databook states that Indra was the progenitor of ninjutsu, and developed it in direct opposition of ninshu. Just realized that that fact isn't reflected in any of the articles on this wiki. FF-Suzaku (talk) 02:02, September 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh wow, thought it's common knowledge by now ._.--Elve Talk Page 11:56, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

the straight tomoe trivia comment
Why is this even here? There is no 'straight' line involved in either Madara's original sharingan or Indra's which is a spiral pattern. Izuna has three obvious straight bars. I also cant find a translation claiming Madara associated the straight tomoe with a reasoning Madara and Sasuke had more in common than blood.

(Hadrimon (talk) 13:44, June 18, 2016 (UTC))
 * "Straigt Tomoe" term doesn't necessary refer to the pattern, but rather to the eye power, more specifically, to the EMS, which was awakened only by Madara and Sasuke, while both of them are Indra's reincarnates (although, in fact, it's a vague term which was never explained properly). Also, Madara made an assumption about his and Sasuke's possible connection beyond the bloodline in the chapter 674, when analysing his skills and abilities. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 13:56, June 18, 2016 (UTC)

Appearance dispute
There's a small dispute on this page relating to an image of Indra as a young child. Please use this section to solve that discussion instead of back and forth revert warring. Thanks. --Sajuuk 14:38, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * The reason Indra's young child image with Yin seal behind him should stay is because the painfully clear message the manga and anime gives about Indra and Asura: Indra is Yin and Asura is Yang. Manga makes it important. Anime makes it important. Having the both Indra and Asura child images with their respective seals behind makes the both articles balanced. As for Sarutobii2's arguement, "there's already image with young Indra", so does Asura's article.
 * To clarify what I mean here:
 * Indra=elder son, inventor of Ninjutsu, ancestor of Uchiha, crescent moon and Yin seal behind, Madara and Sasuke next to him.
 * Asura=younger son, heir of ninshū, ancestor of Senju and Uzumaki, fullmoon and Yang seal behind, Hashirama and Naruto next to him.
 * Taking away Indra child with Yin seal-image would break this little balance. --JouXIII (talk) 14:59, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ask yourself this. Is the yin seal part of his appearance? The correct answer is no, thus irrelevant to his appearance. Also, for the sake of you wanting symbolism in the article, the personality section already shows the yin seal/moon in full. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 15:21, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems you missed my point: if both manga and anime makes it important to have Yin and Yang seal behind Indra and Asura respectively, what makes you to deem it "irrelevant", when freaking official media makes it relevant? What's the point uploading images of young Indra and Asura with their respective seals behind them, if we're not going to use them with full potential? If Asura has young child image with Yang seal behind him, than naturally Indra must have his young child image with Yin seal behind him. It's basic logic and balance.--JouXIII (talk) 15:52, June 30, 2016 (UTC)