Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34656247-20180528093116/@comment-34436445-20180528175707

The obito that fought minato was young, pretty much showed only his sharingan prowess (and sealing),which was enhanced because of hashi cells if u remove his hashi cells he has limited kamui, obito's kamui is different to kakashi's kamui, obito's kamui is much more heavier on his eyes compared to kakashi's ,without hashi cells he can't survive against kakashi ,as his main and only attack is using his MS at least at that age. Itachi can fight and win against hiruzen and Sasuke can beat normal jiraiya and maybe sage jiraiya,Madara vs minato I'm not sure and kakashi stomps on obito.