Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-45444155-20200728155230/@comment-3279282-20200801104411

David Kibasennin wrote: Then somebody better change that first line on the Sage Transformation page and on the Sage Mode page, because a "transformation" is the act during which the verb "transform" occurs, and the fact that it starts with:

"is a way of attaining Sage Mode"

clearly leads to confusion. Thus justifying the existence of this thread. Which is an excruciating thing to admit.

"A way of attaining Sage Mode" makes it sound like it's a method, rather than a form. A more accurate one, for example, would be:

"is a variant of Sage Mode".

That's true. I added that sentence three years ago, no clue what my train of thought was back then lol

BloodOfTheArchon wrote: Ok Seelentau, so if I am reading this correctly, considering I am somewhat tipsy rn. Orochimaru going by your posts should still be classified as a Sage thanks to his ability to mould Senjutsu chakra and use Senjutsu, even if he can't actually enter Sage Mode with his host bodies. So then WHY is he not classified as a Sage on his profile here??

I don't know. He isn't in the databook either.

LegionZero wrote: Jugo's 4th databook entry. Page 106. This statement is acknowledged on one of the talk pages but the higher ups on the Naruto wiki treat "sage" and "sage mode" synonymously, so they came to the decision that Sage Transformation is a means to achieve Sage Mode. Huge leap in logic IMO.

Messed up part is, the citation used to justify that statement doesnt talk at all about Sage Mode.
 * "In Jugo's village, the state after invoking the power of Senjutsu is referred to as "Sage Transformation".

The databook itself says that Sage Transformation is a "state", not a method and is seperate from Sage Mode. Even if Kabuto uses Sage Transformation to assist in his usage of Sage Mode, it is still a seperate thing

Yeah, we really do treat those synonymously, that's why I'm always the first to point out that there's no perfect Sage Mode, only perfect sages. I do that because they're actually the same, you're right.

Na, you're not. Also, in chapter 593, Jugo says - while taking out part of Kabuto's... flesh? - that in his village, they call this "Sage Transformation" and later that Orochimaru undid the Sage Transformation - when Kabuto turned into his normal self again. Oh and he also said that he could transform into that as well. Kabuto on the other hand said earlier that he gained "that (Jūgo's) ability in the Ryuchido by training his body under the guidance of the Hakuja Sennin".