Forum:Chapter 599- Obito and Tobi

So, even though this disappoints some of us (there's a first time for everything), we need to decide how we're going to proceed with the whole Obito being behind that mask. Thankfully the articles have been locked, but the talk pages will be flooded soon and I'm thoroughly confused as how to proceed with things.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 12:19, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

I say, Just combine both Tobi and Obito pages... Done deal.. no big deal.


 * The same we did with Madara and Tobi. The only difference here is, instead of splitting, we have to merge now :\ (I know how it feels, I was betting for Madara's Living Clone with a consciousness :\) akz! ANBU Symbol.svg 12:26, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

akz! is right... We have to merge them :\


 * I think that we should wait until the next chapter. They will be probably explain everything about his story and we will easy merge both article knowing his background. Until that moment both articles should be locked and noone should edit them.GothicWarrior  (Dyskusja)  12:29, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Given what is revealed, we have little option other than to merge the two character articles, so I don't believe there is any need to discuss that further. However, thankfully Tobi is still a unique name that is only identifiable to the masked Obito, so there shouldn't be any need to change all instances of Tobi to Obito at least for those before the reveal (although I guess some editors will attempt to do so, given what happened with the tailed beasts). The only exceptions to this, as far as I see, are Obito's own article and respective ability pages. Blackstar1 (talk) 12:34, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Probably we should wait till next week. 12:37, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * At least we can have a header which says - "WE AWARE OF TOBI BEING OBITO UCHIHA, AND DISCUSSION IS GOING ON WHETHER THE ARTICLES MUST BE MERGED NOW OR WE SHOULD WAIT TILL THE NEXT CHAPTER IS OUT, SO DON'T FLOOD THE TALKPAGES AND USE THE EXISTING ONES, THANK YOU." akz! ANBU Symbol.svg 12:39, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Thinking about the whole merger thing, I feel compelled to say wait because this regrettably wasn't one of those chapters where we were told a lot, 3 words total actually. I was also wondering if someone would merge the articles on a sandbox page for example so we can see how it will look in a similar manner to what Ulti and Snapper did when they separated Tobi and Madara.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 12:41, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

How about you just move Tobi's background (sans Madara/Akatsuki details) to Obito's page?Malcasablanca (talk) 12:46, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

I believe we should probably use Beta pages for anything we're doing before touching the actual articles. That is of course if the majority of the community decides to merge without waiting.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 12:48, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

I am for waiting a week (or for few weeks), till the entire picture is clear. 12:52, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

I also think waiting for some explanations would be the appropriate procedure. Maybe it is not HIM totally but a controlled Zetsu body made with him or some other theories we all might already know.. Khaliszt (talk) 12:57, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

My bet: Obito's corpse "revived" with Zetsu merged and controlled by the "real/true" Tobi from the shadows with his Outer Path/chakra rods, thus this one being a puppet. There are just too many options, we should wait because it's not yet 100% confirmed, even though the guy battling Naruto and staff sure is "Obito" --Elveonora (talk) 13:05, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

We should wait until it's made even clearer, considering how often details about Tobi have been changed or revealed as lies. TricksterKing (talk) 13:08, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

So we agreed on it (I hope), waiting for future explanations is the best choice, could be Obito, again from the Tobi talk-page, my guess is it's Zetsu's Parasitic clone. I'm not going to make a forum-like speech here so that's all from me.

Forgot to sign Yumeyo-yuki (talk) 13:09, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah and this all makes me ask myself: So, if Tobi had such a great eyes collection (so he has been close to many, maaaany dead uchiha corpses) why would he chose OBITO'S one? It all sounds so weird.. and being so young why would he know Madara or how did he give a Rinnegan to Nagato (who was a kid at the times of young Jiraiya). It's all so weird.. Khaliszt (talk) 13:11, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * While I agree that this process certainly shouldn't be rushed and that the use of a sandbox page is necessary, if only to highlight any potential issues, I don't believe it should be postponed much beyond a week if the situation remains the same in upcoming chapters. As long as Tobi and Obito are stated to be one and the same, the reason for them being so is largely irrelevant to whether the articles should or shouldn't be merged. The only reveal that would effect that issue, is if this Obito was something else other than the original (e.g. clone or otherwise), but such theories are currently just unfounded speculation and I don't think we should agree to an indefinite halt on just these alone.


 * Hopefully the information in the next chapter should be much more telling, so waiting a week shouldn't do any harm, just so long as we don't postpone this longer than necessary simply because many find Obito being Tobi a bitter and hard pill to swallow. Blackstar1 (talk) 13:26, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Can't wait for Omni sensei's word on this :/--Elveonora (talk) 13:28, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

There was absolutely no chance, Tobi is Obito. There are too many reasons, why it doesn't make any sense. Whatever, I really want to know, what's happening next.


 * I say we should just merge the articles since it's pretty much confirmed. Stalling is only going to cause acrimony for us and a whole load of issues. =.= --Speysider Talk Page 13:53, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

I disagree with a merger senpai... the only confirmation there is the last page, and Kishi might troll us all.--Elveonora (talk) 14:02, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

I think we should merge the pages together it's been revealed that Tobi is Obito so it should be merged as soon as possible


 * Well, I'm not a Naruto fan anymore.. :\ It sucks.. The next chapter might be my last Naruto chapter... Hope it's just the body.... We should wait till next chapter..."Still HOPING" akz! ANBU Symbol.svg 14:07, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Why the fuck do people take it as confirmed? Yes, yes... the body there sure looks like Obito's, I say wait, details about to be revealed in chapter 600... till then, let Obito sleep under the boulders--Elveonora (talk) 14:11, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

This may be somewhat off topic, but there is a minor plot hole presented in the chapter, how was Kakashi taking part in the Chūnin exams with Obito and Rin? According to this wiki he was a Chūnin before they even graduated from the academy. Terrios (talk)

Kishi smokes a lot of weed and fucks up the canon/story, proof: made Tobi Obito--Elveonora (talk) 14:15, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a plot twist — yeah. I do agree on merging but waiting on the next chapter is better. ~IndxcvNovelist (talk 14:19, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I hope there's more to it, or else this just proves to me that Kishimoto's writing ability is pure ass. That being said I would make a sandbox to merge the two articles, however my internet is less than steller atm and I am forced to use the school libary to even read and post.
 * Also, language Elveonora. Not sure when you decided to drop your language filter, but I would suggest you pick it back up.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 14:24, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Guys wait I found this interview that Kishi revealed that Tobi isnt actually Obito! KazeKitsune (talk) 14:25, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

That interview is false man, why would a worker of Viz Media (And actually VIZ MEDIA XD japanese mangakas only do interviews to their publishing companies, i.e. Shueisha) filter something and reveal his name so happily? And more important, why would Kishimoto reveal everything is going to happen next to some random guys (even if they weren't random)? That is totally false. On other hand, I hope, ultimate3, that this doesn't end like that, all this needs much more explanations, for god's sake! Otherwise Kishi would have dropped his mangaka level to the subways.. Khaliszt (talk) 14:29, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

I say we wait until next week. Kakashi actually asked if Tobi is Obito and until he gets a clear answer on this, we're just going to wait and do nothing at all. I mean, it's just a week, that's not much compared to the years we had to wait for Tobi to lift is mask. We and the readers can wait another week. Seelentau 愛議 14:36, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Mayhaps we should've had a general sandbox for the wikia from a long time ago but I was hoping you, Snaps (no Snaps) or BlackStar would be able to do the major parts and you could leave the smaller stuff to the rest of the editors. I'm not sure why, but I think you guys would be able to do it properly. I also want to wait, 600 is a nice round number lol. In the meantime, we'll have a sandbox people can fool around in.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 14:39, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Obito's dead. His body is just being controlled by the evil spirit known as Tobi. :/ -- The Goblin  14:43, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ignoriong Aged Goblin, I'm more worried about what to do about the millions of articles that reference Tobi. The Horde will decend on us in a matter of minutes to change every instance of his name to Obito. If we are going to wait, what are we going to do about this?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 14:44, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think we should wait. Waiting because a few people refuse to believe it is really going to cause a major issue. We should just start changing everything from Tobi to Obito and be done with it.
 * @Aged Goblin: That's not going to help. --Speysider Talk Page 14:47, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

My language filter is on, no worries... I'm 100% calm. We either: You decide, lol.--Elveonora (talk) 14:48, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) stop reading the manga further and move on with our lives
 * 2) change Tobi to Obito
 * 3) lock the pages

We can just start creating a merged article at Obito Uchiha/Merge or something similar. 14:51, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

edit conflict The pages are locked so we're good on that front. Whatever issue it causes is not our concern, we have to choose a plan of action and work with it. As for the Tobi uses, Ulti, I'm all for Tobi redirecting to Obito and we let it at that. With the exception of some articles such as jutsu pages etc. I've never had a problem with calling people monikers. That article is fine Supreme.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 14:53, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT CONFLICT: @Salil: Good idea, so when will they start it? ~IndxcvNovelist (talk 14:56, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Why're ya'll so fast to change anything? In the end, Tobi isn't Obito and you'd have to correct your mistakes again. What's wrong with a little patience? Seelentau 愛議 15:01, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

I honestly think both sections should be locked till the next chapter comes out and more info is revealed. Otherwise you're gonna have an Edit War as I like to call it on our hands. Just because they think it's Obito, doesn't mean it is him, for all we know it could probably be an illusion/clone are something else entirely. Not saying it is but in the Naruto World crazier things have happened. I say wait till more info. --Michma12 (talk) 15:02, August 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * @Seelentau: The manga confirms it's Obito, why are people like you so insistent not to do anything when it's blatantly obvious Tobi = Obito ?
 * @Michma: The pages were already locked but see my message to Seelentau. Tobi = Obito, we don't need a big discussion saying he isn't as Kishi has quite clearly made his intentions known. --Speysider Talk Page 15:05, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

@Spey, are you Kishi? Just saying that just like Tobi was Yagura, he might be Obito in a similar manner--Elveonora (talk) 15:11, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

The manga confirms what Tobi looks like under his mask. Kakashi even asks if he's Obito, why can't we wait for a "yes" or "no" by Tobi? I'm not against moving everything, but imagine next week Tobi says no and you'd have to move everything again. Seelentau 愛議 15:13, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

@Seelantau: We have something called as Page history. 15:16, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's still work that can easily be avoided by having patience for another week. We waited a long time now, what's wrong with waiting just another week? Wasn't it the same with Madara/Tobi? Seelentau 愛議 15:19, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

And as it is, the pages are locked and we can't edit them. 15:20, August 29, 2012 (UTC)