Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20160126181655/@comment-9782468-20160217131823

"Reflex isn't the same as movement speed" Well if Bee reacted to Minato and moved to defend himself/his brother, you're saying Bee is faster either way lol.

Also I don't understand your argument about the Rasenshuriken. yes, it's a bunch of microscopic blades. But it still clearly shreds things when it was complete with Sage Mode or Kurama, just ask the Pains he destroyed with it. And it's probably just as powerful as bomb, considering all the damage it did when it was incomplete against Kakuzu. (Giant crater and all).

Also, we know it wasn't because he was an Edo because he didn't take any time to regenerate.

And I believe you are correct about 3rd being slower than 4th. But 3rd was still about as fast as KCM so it's not too much of a difference.