Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-35806245-20180607100011/@comment-27924662-20180612214545

BlazeRelease wrote: @Namikaze, I don't know what you are trying to imply with this, even if the Uzumaki clan posseses all the nine tailed beast, sealed up in nine of theit strongest members, they'll still not benefit much from them without any control over them, it took a character like Naruto to befriend everyone of them. The tailed beasts were always some kind of a power balance, it wasn't exactly like one of them could control it so easily. And even when released, it'll be dangerous for both the user and the village. I didn't explicitly state "biju" now did I? Coming to this whole theme having good summons, skills in funijutsu, insane healing abilities(think Karin) and high chakra reserve definitely is lot more useful than say sharingan with mediocre reserves. BlazeRelease wrote: The MS is not limited to any specific Uchiha, with a good enough plot to push the user, anyone can make them awaken their MS. Like, with how Madara manipulated Obito to awaken his, and Obito managed to awaken Sasuke's. Even if it's a family thing, it's still a clan thing, and so it can be passed down through the clan. And there are only nine tailed beasts in the series, so isn't the number limited and even pointless in the terms of The Uzumaki passing down tailed beasts?(If that's what you meant) Wow. just wow. My dear friend if making Mangeykyou was so easy why didn't Madara convert whole clan into Mangeykyou user? Simply because not all eyes are suitable. If need be perhaps can you read the explanation regarding this in my previous reply. And like I said its not about passing biju. it's about passing power down. Uzumaki can easily do it to their offsprings. BlazeRelease wrote: 2. Okay, I confused those chains into KG, since they acted more like them. Anyways, so if these techniques are hiden? Then they can be copied by other users, hence why the clan/users use these techniques in a secet way, and keep the details secret too, but just like any jutsu, they can also be copied, and performed. So, which is the clan that has each of it's members as geniuses with eyes to copy and see through jutsu? Or perhaps you might know someone capable of copying hiden? It's been explicitly stated that hiden without secret knowledge cannot be copied. Just to point out fallacy in your logic how the hell sharingan is supposed to copy red chilly pill required for transformation? BlazeRelease wrote: 3. Sure, use a Half Uchiha member as an example. Izumi was half Uchiha if I remember right, while Itachi was a full blooded Uchiha, who had average reserves, yet he was able to use his Sharingan and even MS with it's jutsus and other jutsus for an extended period. And you sure nicely used freshly awakened Sharingan kids as an example of it... The Sharingan burns chakra indeed, but the Uchiha are no less of a clan with low chakra, with mastering down the Sharingan and ones own chakra control, most of the user don't even feel any need to save up the chakra in between battles, so it's more of your own speculation taking the obvious kids who didn't master enough of their chakra and the ones who aren't even full Uchiha for examples. I see so now Itachi has average Chakra reserves? Wow. BlazeRelease wrote: How, exactly am I underestimating numbers in a battle, when I myself pointed out that the Uzumaki are a village containing probably more members than any other village, with their long lifespan and all. Though anyways, the Uchiha's are a legendary war clan, each member of it are geniuses, and are skilled in all three forms or jutsu, they are keen in battles and most of them have a calm attitude in even serious situations. With all these, they are also so feared that non Uchihas are required to run rather than try a fight with one of them when alone, and if with company, try to attack one in different directions for a chance. And don't even forget, the biggest disadvantage fightibg against an Uchiha is the fact to avoid looking straight at their eyes, cause usually in Naruto, opponents try to figure the next move of their opponent from reading the face of their opponent, to try to predict their stretegy, their current attitude, etc, it's alot like Chess. Plus, let's not forget to avoid eye contact is already a serious disadvantage in normal battles. Not every member was genius. That's totally flawed. Like I said before the number speak for themselves. Only those with Sharingan were considered Genius. that was rare and people with chakra reserves to use sharingan even rarer. Just for comparison most of the well known users are the only ones with tank to even use Sharingan or Mangeykyou. Plus would you seriously want to compete with a clan which could tamper with chakra itself with use of funinjutsu. Not to mention with proper placing and strategy they could seal any person they want. Anyone. just it takes paper and chakra reserve. BlazeRelease wrote: And don't forget about the powerful reality bending powers of Izanagi.

And even if any tailed beats or powerful summons are summoned, they can merely control them to be on their side, Eg: Sasuke with Manda, Madara/Obito with Kurama. And for any incomplete jinchuriki(which don't have high chances of being a perfect one) they can merely be cleared off by the Visual powers of the Sharingan, like what Sasuke did with Naruto. So any advantage coming from Summons will just be a straight backstab to them, causing them even lesser time to strategize. So, yeah, I don't think I'm wrong here. Since now every Uchiha can apparently use Izanagi to same degree. Than perhaps shall we reintroduced everyone to reaper death seal? or Tetragram seals? Something Kurama himself couldn't escape? oh did I forget to mention Torii seals? Also Sasuke's trick was same as Orochimaru's. Nothing suggests that it was Sharingan's doing and Naruto refused to bond with it at that time. plus numbers is how sharingan is countered not other way round. so having summon means both can break each other's genjutsu.