Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-27082825-20150116155842/@comment-4366149-20150121090010

Seelentau wrote: Nope, she was not. As I said, for something to exist in a fictional story, there has to be some kind of written information about it. If it's just in the authors head, it's not part of the fictional reality. Of course Kaguya is real now, but when we go back in time to when Gaara fought Naruto, Kaguya wasn't real. Heck, even Hagoromo wasn't real back then, because at that point in time, Kishimoto didn't think of him. Hence he didn't exist.

Another way to look at it: You should be imprisoned, because you are a murderer. I didn't saw you murder someone, you say? Oh, but that doesn't mean you haven't, hm?

She wasn't real to us, but she was in the story. And a better example is Kisame/Deidara/Suigetsu and Henge? There is no indication that they can use Henge. In fact, there are many instances where Henge would have served them, but they didn't use it. That's a consistent pattern that implies they can't use it. So does it mean that they absolutely can't use it? The answer is that we don't know, for that is the only answer we know with 100% certainty. We can strongly argue that they can use it because it is a basic technique taught in the academy, but that is not pinpoint-certainty.

You can't throw me in prison unless you have evidence (fabricated or real) that I murdered since that is how justice systems work. You didn't see me murder means that there is no evidence that I murdered, or that I did not murder. So I could actually be a murderer or maybe not; that is the only answer you can reach with 100% certainty.

The only way the basic principles of logical arguments will not apply to Naruto discussions is if the discussion is designated illogical – a satire.