Talk:Gold Dust

"Gold"
Would there be a note that most likely "Gold Dust" is not exactly "golden", as gold is not affect able by magnetism. Humans have a better chance of being magnetic for their iron in the body. VolteMetalic (talk) 17:08, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was under teh impression that Magnetism Release magentized objects. So that would include non-magnetic ones.Umishiru (talk) 17:09, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * acutal i looked it up and gold can be, under certain conditions


 * Yeah? under which? VolteMetalic (talk) 17:47, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Before we get science heavy, please note that Kishi is known for being bad at science.Umishiru (talk) 17:51, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Doesnt matter, tell me :) I want to expand my knowledge of science. VolteMetalic (talk) 18:34, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * All materials are affected by magnetic fields, but in different degrees. Gold is considered diamagnetic. It means that when subjected to a strong magnetic field it is weakly repelled. Thunder God Cid (talk) 19:46, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

In that respect,that would mean that even if Kishi's science is correct in this case, the Fourth would have to be producing an absolutely massive magnetic field to repel all that gold dust, wouldn't he? Not to mention the fat tht despite producing this field nothing in the area is effected aside the gold dust, which would iply a great amount of control directing the fields as well as insane magnitude. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 20:29, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

He could be magnetizing the dust like that other guy from Kumo (I forget his name).--Endomarru (talk) 06:26, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Magnetism
I was under the impression that Kishimoto said he was bad at physics... so it being gold doesn't mean it is not magnetic in the naruto universe. S im A nt 17:27, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the possibility still exists but Shounen said there was no reference to it being magnetism in the spoiler so he's waiting for the raw. But if we go by the english scan should we just add it and wait for the raw if it says otherwise O.o.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 17:33, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I really wish he'd try using wikipedia, or any other encyclopaedia for that matter when it comes to science stuff he doesn't know well. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:35, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well his kekkei genkei allows him to magnitize stuff the same way toroi magnetized a person the fourth magnetizes golden particles thus being capable to control it. (D.G 23:04, July 7, 2011 (UTC))

but gold is a dimagnetic element so he careate a opposite magnetic field respect an existing one (the forth kazekage create a magnetic feald and the gold create an opposite field and is repelled) look tghis pictures gold create a opposite field that repel an magnetic object like iron this make a Magnetic levitation --Nitram86 (talk) 17:36, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Gold Dust?
If Iron Sand is "砂鉄" (Satetsu), shouldn't "砂金" (Sakin) be "Gold Sand"? Or "Iron Dust" and "Gold Dust." Not hugely important, just for consistency purposes. --GoDai (talk) 08:34, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would like to know more about this as well. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:08, July 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Blame it on the English for coming up with non-matching terms for these phenomena. 砂金 is the Japanese term for what is called 'gold dust' in English. 砂鉄 is called 'iron sand'. We can't just go about changing the language. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:04, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh so they were actual specialized terms. Interesting. Thanks. --GoDai (talk) 19:58, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

More techniques than just a wave?
Turrin here found several more than just the Wave and Third Eye. Shouldn't they be added?
 * This is one reason why I don't like unnamed jutsu, especially for jutsu like his that manipulates an object in different ways. If we must document them I think we should consider them all one jutsu.--Deva 27 00:48, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * He manipulates his dust the same way as Gaara's sand, does Gaara's sand all be classified as one jutsu?--NaruHina fan (talk) 00:58, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * The overwhelming majority of Gaara's techniques are named. For example, we didn't make an article out of that time Gaara used his sand to stop quarreling Allied shinobi when he made his speech. No reason to change that with the Fourth Kazekage. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:15, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * How about we create a 'Gold Dust Manipulation' page and cover the other variations?--NaruHina fan (talk) 01:26, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe at least create a gold dust shield since he used something like that to block Gaara's Sand Hail. Just a thought. Darksusanoo (talk) 01:32, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * So do we have the okay to create those two techniques?--NaruHina fan (talk) 01:52, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

density of iron, sand and gold
It's a good idea to add in the trivia the comparison between the density of sand, iron and gold. This will give readers a perspective of the materials used by the 3rd, 4th and 5th Kazekages.


 * Silica, the main component of sand, has a density of 2.648 g·cm−3 (g/ml)
 * Iron has a density of 7.874 g·cm−3 (g/ml)
 * Gold has a density of 19.30 g·cm−3 (g/ml)

Therefore, gold is 7.288 times denser than silica (but i used 7.5 in the page), and 2.451 times denser than iron (but i used 2.5 in the page)LordNaruto (talk) 17:20, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes but exactly how many people are going to understand that or even care when compared to the simple statement "gold is heavier than sand"--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 17:24, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nevermind this, you did it much more simpler than I had expected.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 17:30, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

I realized, while going through Shounen's translation of the 3rd DB, that Iron Sand actually refers to "Iron Sand" and not Iron grinded into dust form. Chemically, the substance "Iron Sand" is different from Iron. And it's composed mostly of Magnetite and a bit of Hematite; just like sand is composed mostly of Silica and Quartz. So the density that should be used is the density of Magnetite/Hematite instead of Iron.
 * Magnetite: 5.17 g/ml
 * Hematite: 5.25 g/ml
 * Since the density of both would yield identical ratios, anyone of the above can serve.

Therefore, the trivia should go like this: "Gold is approximately 7.3 times denser than silica, the main component of sand; and about 3.7 times denser than magnetite, the main component of Iron Sand." LordNaruto (talk) 02:32, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

gathering
how did he gather all that gold dust to defend against gaaras attack i find it hard to believe that he gathered it from his surroudnings so qiuck not in that amount was it a summoning technique or did he create it with his chakra206.74.210.154 (talk) 22:08, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * We simply don't know. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:07, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * There is that satchel he carries around, or else→this--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 19:18, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Gaara as a user???
Since the Gold Dust is considered a ninja weopan, should we not consider Gaara as a wielder of it? in the naruto manga 557, he mixed gold dust with his sand and was able to use jutsu with it in fighting the second mizukage. The second mizukage also stated that Gaara was using the Giold Dust left by the fourth kazekage.--Kyle Ethan (talk) 15:46, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

trade?
where does it say this gold dust was used as a valuable trade?--76.92.243.71 (talk) 23:36, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

In chapter 547.--Deva 27 23:39, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Listing Gaara as a user
Is it really necessary for us to list Gaara as a user of Gold Dust? Yes he did use it because it was available on the battlefield, but had it not been there, there is no way he would have been able to use it. Gaara's use is a little more or less like Itachi using Sasuke's sword merely because it was handy: enough to get a note but not listed as a user. It's not even a case where Gaara actually manipulated the gold dust, he used his sand to move the gold dust which is why I don't think we should have him listed as a user.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 16:45, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I totally agree to that.Ogga111 (talk) 16:54, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure what to say about it. I mean he was very thrifty in using it, but like you said he didn't really manipulate it, and he only used it since it was already of the battlefield. I think i'd have to lean more towards not listing him as a user, but it still mentioning in the article that Gaara hid it inside his Sand Clone to counter Jōki Boi.71.71.58.231 (talk) 18:40, January 30, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * Gold Dust isn't like a random character touching a sword, the tool is rather unique, and was employed. I feel there should be more discussion in this, since this situation is just like B taking Kubikiribocho from Suigetsu when they fought and using it, but we don't list him. Should we list both as users, should we list neither, or is there a viable criteria to list one and not the other? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:09, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

I think we shouldn't list one-time uses that aren't even the given Shinobi's property. Unless Gaara used a named technique containing Gold Dust--Elveonora (talk) 21:15, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Omnibender i certainly understand your point. However Gaara never truly manipulated it or used it for a technique and only used it in a single battle simply because it was there.71.71.58.231 (talk) 21:40, January 30, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan

He scooped it up with his sand, and hid it in a clone. It may not have been a direct manipulation, or a named technique, but it was a crucial part of his strategy to defeat the Mizukage. Remember Shikamaru all the way back to the chūnin exams: shinobi must use terrain advantages, he did that both against Kin and Temari. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:51, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * True.71.71.58.231 (talk) 22:20, January 30, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * In the case with B, I think we can always mention in the article that B used the sword but not actually list him as a user. It's kinda why I want to have a clearer definition of when we list people as users of things as opposed to them using it "out of circumstances". Yeah Gaara used it, but will it become a regular part of his fighting style? I don't think so. I doubt he'll even use it again. So detailed mention of his/their use and leave actual manipulators of the substance as users.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:41, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Bumb~ --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 16:31, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Wasn't it settled upon already? I don't see many disagreements. Gaara isn't a Gold Dust user. If I picked it up, threw it into someone's eyes and called it "blinding technique" would that make me a user? ;D His dad appears to have summoned it from nowhere. I doubt we will see Gaara "using" it ever again--Elveonora (talk) 16:58, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * A user said discuss more so I thought I'd make sure everyone was okay with remove as user, but mention in trivia (same for the Seversword and B)--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:05, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * I rather fine either way. My greatest concern about keeping Gaara off the list is the consequence it might have on other tools. I mean, should we keep Gaara's siblings as sand users as well then? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:05, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Kankuroū I know for sure uses sand. I've never been too sure about Temari's use it kinda seemed like we're saying that she actively used it but that's fine for me. You see the frequency of use isn't really a problem for me, it's how they use it.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 21:26, February 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey, I don't remember Kankurou using sand. I'm not saying youre wrong, but can you remind me?  In the name of knowledge.  192.183.30.172 (talk) 23:46, February 6, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 * Early on in the series he covered his puppets in a shell of colored sand to diguise them as himself.71.71.58.231 (talk) 00:50, February 7, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * Oh, that was sand? All right, cool.  Now I know.  Thanks!  192.183.30.172 (talk) 01:02, February 7, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 * No problem. I wasn't sure what it was at first either.71.71.58.231 (talk) 01:17, February 7, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan

I believe this is worth rediscovering now that we're finally in agreement Gaara is a Magnet Release user.--Reliops (talk) 16:53, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Ferromagnetism
The last time I edited this article, I wanted to mention that gold in particle form is ferromagnetic, but I refrained from it because I thought that bit of info may be unnecessarily too scientific for this article, and that Kishi may not have even known about it when he slapped gold dust with magnet release. The fact is that nano-sized gold particles are ferromagnetic based on observations made within the past decade. You'll probably not find this in most textbooks or encyclopedias, but anyone in an engineering field that deals a lot with nanotechnology and metals will probably know about it, or at least anyone very conversant with engineering (say a Bachelor's degree in it or above) will also be able to read it up in scientific publications and understand it. But now after it has become clear that Kishi didn't tag sand (which is diamagnetic just like bulky gold) as magnet release, I felt that further explanation of gold's magnetic properties beyond mere diamagnetism would not introduce confusion. NoJutsu (talk) 06:38, December 1, 2014 (UTC)