Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180212215544/@comment-24824859-20180215225914

Vladosaurus wrote: They are. I mean it's not really fair to compare them to Naruto in SPSM, because in that state in terms of physical and taijutsu, Naruto has way to much raw power and speed and sensing and tracking. There is kind of a different story here, but then again, he got his ass handed to him in base and he also is supposed to have six path chakra. But you can make the comparasion with Sasuke. Like Sasuke, Madara technically also has six paths chakra. Since he also reproduced Hagormo's chakra to awaken the rinnegan. Sasuke did fight evenly fight Kinshki which is a huge feat and he did hang with Naruto if you want to take in account movie feats, but at the same time Madara also displayed some crazy feats. He was able to dodge Tobirama's Hiraijin coming from his behind, he as i said took down as an edo an army made up of chunin and jonins, which is not some fodder feat mind you but it's one of the most impressive combat feat of the whole series, he was dodging EMS Sasuke's swords attacks without eyes like it was child play, he knocked down SM Naruto with just a kick. And Hashirama again, i don't think is far off those abilities. And again, in both cases they have that crazy regeneration and can charge in battle. They aren't the other 4 kage who got taken down by Momoshiki in a second. And Madara also has limbo,which is questionable if it can be absorbed.

And let's be honest, if either Hashirama or Madara bring up Shinju Senju or PS Momoshiki will be forced in his Lava Golem. Naruto brought Kurama and the same thing happened. He won't go and absorb them. Naruto and Sasuke easily took down that Lava Golem by combining their powers. I'm pretty sure that Shinju Senju and PS could take it down if they work togheter. And this time there will be no crazy scientist to power Momoshiki back up. Why is it not fair to compare them to SPSM Naruto when Momoshiki himself fought him? The fact that Momohiki fought evenly with SPSM Naruto should tell you how powerful he is. So what if Madara has Six Paths Chakra? It's obviously not on the same level as Sasuke's. Pre-Madara's feats don't compare because the people involved in said feats don't compare to god-tier characters like SPSM Naruto, Rinnegan, TTJ-Madara, and Kaguya. Hashirama's regenerative ability is incredibly overrated as it can't reform limbs, so charging in all willy-nilly is far from wise. Since shadow clones can be absorbed, it's safe to assume that Limbo clones can also be absorbed. Shinju Senju and PS are still ninjutsu, therefore Momoshiki can absorb them. He didn't absorb Kurama because he wasn't ninjutsu, so Momoshiki resorted to subdue him. Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Point taken. However Momoshiki too can't absorb chakra when he is in his lava Golem. Whereas Hashirama can absorb chakra from Chakra avatars like he did to Kurama. So yeah Momoshiki is still at huge disadvantage. I still would like to see how Momoshiki even faces Shinsu Senju Momoshki won't be needing the Lava Golem. Hashirama's wood constructs can only absorb things on contact and if they even touch the Lava Golem (if Momoshki even uses it), they'll just melt off. Momoshiki will still be at an advantage. Momoshiki absorbs Shinsu Senju and uses it against Hashirama Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Be a lamb and prove that to me. And please don't say that SPSM Naruto's power is same as that of Sasuke because they are world's apart. Watch this. Come back to me when Madara and Hashirama can fight like that. Also, Sasuke is till on par with SPSM Naruto Namikazenaruto9 wrote: But suddenly some of the weakest Kages can? that's quite interesting. Also where did Kinshiki or Momoshiki actually change landscape with Taijutsu? The Kages being able to hurt and then restrict Kinshiki din't make much sense, tbh. But that can either be seen as pure plot or that the other Kages are just that strong. Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Yeah Kinshiki got his ass kicked when he just faced 2 kages who are possibly weaker than the previous Kages of the same villages. On the other hand Madara adeptly handles all 5. So before bringing Naruto and Sasuke 's full power, consider the fact that neither were using that top level strength. Momoshiki would lose this without a doubt. Like I said above, the other Kages being able to hurt and restrict Kinshiki didn't make much sense, but that doesn't negate his feat of superior taijutsu. Saying that Madara and Hashirama can beat Momoshiki is the same as saying they can beat SPSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke. Momoshiki beats the duo with mid-difficulty