Talk:Tailed Beast

genders
As proven many times, the gender classification refers to mental and social identity rather than biological status. It may be annoying I keep bringing this up, but it's true. I would stop if it weren't for instances like Swirl Zetsu which we list as male, but why don't we then the Tailed Beasts? The would be point "genderless pronouns" is moot since we can tell clearly that Kurama is a he both mentally and biologically. I see no feminine personality traits or physical features--Elveonora (talk) 12:12, August 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * It would be wise to not go into this subject as it is just a can of worms waiting to explode.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:21, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, but just curious, was Swirl Zetsu specifically referred to as "he" in the manga? On top of that, are we just going to ignore that the Five-Tails was given female voice in the anime?--Elveonora (talk) 12:45, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * No clue about Swirl Zetsu, but I assume considering Zetsu is listed as male all of his clones would as well. And yes we are going to ignore the Five-Tails female voice, because Naruto also has a female voice actress, and yeah male. Not uncommon in Japan. Or in America to be honest.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 13:13, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Except all female voice actress for male characters in Naruto do sound male, this one doesn't, perhaps intentionally. For Swirl Zetsu, I beg Seelentau for investigation if the Japanese dialogue somehow suggests a gender, because anatomically "he" is barely anything--Elveonora (talk) 13:42, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * I did mention "clone"...--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 13:49, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

So? Anatomically, Swirl Zetsu is less of a man than other Zetsus, he doesn't even have visible internal or external organs. Again, gender doesn't refer to genetics. I meant if Seelentau could check all the Swirl Zetsu dialogue if there's anything suggesting masculinity or male pronouns.--Elveonora (talk) 14:00, August 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not going into the physics and metaphysics on gender identity. I'm just saying, in Swirl Zetsu's case because Zetsu has been identified as male, that as a clone, Swirl was also identified as such. I repeat I am not and will not get into the physics and metaphysics of gender identity.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 14:04, August 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * I won't encourage this discussion either, since it's simply not up to us to decide if any character is male or female. Seelentau 愛議 14:41, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds wise... for the forthcoming future, here I depart again with a tail in between my legs. Just please confirm or deny Swirl Zetsu being male or anything for that matter, so it goes in accordance with what you just wrote above instead of "us" deciding that he "must" be male since Zetsu is one. They are more of a siblings than clones. And since Orochimaru "wasn't" (was in fact) a female biologically in Part I. it should be even so it's not hypocritical.--Elveonora (talk) 14:53, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no "he" or "she" in Japanese. Seelentau 愛議 15:03, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * And unless the third databook entry has been wrong for the past 2 or 3 years, Zetsu was listed as male.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 15:06, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * The thing is, he wasn't. Seelentau 愛議 18:04, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ho hooo then.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 18:09, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Seriously? Now I feel offended and grossed.--Elveonora (talk) 22:02, August 28, 2013 (UTC)