Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36006024-20180926134241/@comment-31099706-20181004075004

LegionZero wrote: They arent necessary. But i think Hogoromo would have to specifocally give him SPSM I thought tailed beast chakra was necessary, but I guess I m8ght be wrong here.

Madara was shown to be fast enough to dodge Sasuke with ease. The only person to have noted to have a higher stat than him was Tobirama in speed.

Madara was a Uchiha legend, he had incredible taijutsu, and he already possesed Six Paths Chakra because of the Hashi cells mixing into him. While Sasuke didn't use Chidori into his Sword, yet still managed to stab him at his shoulder, which he praised him for.

And the people I mentioned don't exactly need taijutsu, they just their eyes, and jutsu to be perfectly accurate.

Nothing from the series backs this. Anyone with larger reserves can use Sage Mode. They just need to remain still to feel it. I'm not saying it's from the series, but it could be a possibiltiy.

Kushina wasnt close to Hiruzen when she became a jinchuriki. Rasa went through quite a few kids before Gaara worked. B isnt blood related to the Raikage. He just happened to be the only one capable of properly tag teaming with A. Blue B wasnt said to be particularly close professionally with 3rdRai. Yugito was nothing than a powerful ninja to 3rd and 4thRai. Utakata wasnt anyone close or special to the Mizukage. Roshi legit left his village to learn how to use his power. There isnt a tradition.

Kushina's clan/Village was honored by the Leaf, she was also a leaf born, leaf shinobi, loyal to the village and the strongest to hold the Nine Tails. While Nagato and Karin weren't from the Village, nor had any friendly statuses.

Biologically, Yamato actually makes the most sense. His Wood Release can suppress Tailed Beasts, he would have an easier time handling Kurama.

If that is so, then why didn't Hashirama become the Jinchuriki? Instead of his wife?

I don't think wood release can work inside the body. If so, any Uchiha would also be a choice, but that wouldn't make sense too.

The original post is about having high levels of strength without mods. Sharingan and MS are genetic traits of Uchiha, they are born with the potential to activate them. EMS requires body modifcation, which is an inherently unnatural. And as I've stated, Hashirama simply isn't unbeatable in that regard, he's just the strongest, as in with the total level of destruction, but not in the 'can't be defeates by anyone' strongest.

EMS does need body modification, but unlike in the case of developing an Rinnegen, it works on the blood/chakra of the user, rather than the donater's. Like Itachi's MS, would be developed by Sasuke's blood and chakra, not on the other way around.

Puppeteering, sword-fighting, Sage Mode are skills that use the weilders natural or trained abilities. They dont give the users power boost by virtue in being in posession of the tools, nor do they require body mods to attain or use.

The Sharingan/EMS and Tailed beast mode requires training as well. It's only as good as the user is.

While you seem to forget about puppet users like Sasori, sword users like Kisame, Itachi and Orochimaru. While Sage Mode literally grants the extra boost in power.

Shino's bugs and Inuzuka's hounds are outside help. They would never be able to accomplish a lot of the stuff on their own that they achieve with their animal partners. Akmichi's pills are shortcuts, so they arent representative of the users own strength at the time.

There are way more examples, Gaara and his sand, Minato and his Kunai's, Water Release user and their source of water(Exceptions with Talented ones), Earth Release users and their need for Earth. Diedera and his clay, even Hashirama uses a weopen just like Madara's Uchiha Mirror.

I agree that a shinobi's power is whatever they have obtained at a certain time, body mods and co-op stuff but to my understanding this was about evaluating strength and skills without mods and a 2nd being

And again, as I've stated, Hashirama simply doesn't become the top, on regards of being undefeateble with people like MS Itachi, Sasuke, Ohoki, and such. The only one who purely got to the top without any amazing talents, were Sakura, Lee and Guy. But even then, I find Lee's and Guy's passion for training abnormal and maybe consider what Kakashi said, as Lee being a genius in Taijutsu.

Not a problem. I usually double check claims before i respond so i get you. Ch 488

Well, he states that he feels Itachi's MS, as it's inside him. And he further on states that he is already feeling his power increasing, as in his EMS is already developing.

He was? His power people referenced must have been from long ago because his mods are relatively recent. I feel like Kakashi could take him but he was bedridden at the time the summit initiated IIRC Actually, Kakashi was shocked by hearing that Danzo was defeated single handedly, and Itachi was shocked too and commented that Sasuke was even lucky to survive a counter with Danzo. Both acknowledged Danzo as one of the strongest in the Leaf, and so as a Hokage. They both weren't aware of Danzo's stolen power, that increased his health and physical status and gave him an hax jutsu.