Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34277398-20190213044806/@comment-31099706-20190303025533

It's simple isn't it? Ay was B's brother, so it's natural that he would think like a brother rather than a ninja when he saw a blade coming at Ay. Remember when Ay's bodyguards were shocked and screamed out when Ay was supposedly blasted away by Jugo? Bodyguards who were intelligent, adults and knew alot about Raikage and ninja stuff. Yet, they were worried about Ay, when they know that it doesn't even take his base speed to dodge that. Emotions. It's called natural instincts on relations. And to be honest on B's actions, the Kunai could be anything. Kunai's can also get powered up by ninjutsu or anything other special ninja stuff, and since Minato could teleport using them. It isn't a bad guess that Minato's Kunai could be more than it looks, it was a guess not worth the risk.

And about Pain saying Jiraya could have beaten him if he knew his secrets and stuff. Maybe. Maybe Jiraya could have beaten Pain there and then. If he knew his secrets. But not anywhere else. Since, The Rain Village was Nagato's own village, he can't obviously use wide scale attacks like Shinra Tensei and CT. And by secrets, if Jiraya knew that there was a body weakened to even walk, being the real one to control them. Then he would simply go for that body. He would probably summon all the toads he could and make them demolish the area, while he uses Sage Mode to figure out the real Pain. And it would only take a few giant toads to demolish the building he is in. And Pain wouldn't be able to use CT or any other large scale attacks because that would also damage his own body. Atleast that's what I think.

In my opinion, Jiraya and Minato takes this.