Talk:Super Mini-Tailed Beast Ball

an error on Kishi\s part
Shouldn't this be called a "super mini-tailed beast rasengan" ???--Elveonora (talk) 13:30, July 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Nope. 尾獣玉 is Tailed Beast Ball. If it was Super Mini-Tailed Beast Rasengan, it would have been 超ミニ尾獣螺旋丸. And I base this on completely nothing.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 13:37, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * He's right though lol. The kanji definitely says tailed beast ball.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:38, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Personally I think that page should be merged with Tailed Beast Ball. Naruto has only referred to it as that once. Any other time its been called Tailed Beast Ball, see chapter 554.--Deva 27 13:39, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * But it has kanji and stuff. And given how radical Kishimoto's been with the whole naming of Naruto's techniques, shouldn't it stand on its own o.O? --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:43, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

@Ultimate, I know it's not a translation mistake, but Kishi named it wrong, because since Naruto wasn't transformed into Kurama or something, isn't that a Tailed Beast Rasengan instead? And I'm not for a merger ... Tailed Beasts Rasengan IS STILL a Rasengan, while the ball is a Tailed Beast Skill ... that would mean that Rasengan and the ball are one and the same technique--Elveonora (talk) 13:47, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * We can't know whether or not it's a mistake until the tankobon or something comes out. While I've rationalised the use of the tailed beast ball in my head, we can't really go against what's been given to us. I really doubt that Kishimoto would have Naruto use the Tailed Beast Rasengan so unceremoniously either way.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:51, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Tailed Beast Rasengan = Rasengan made with the white negative and black positive chakras of tailed beast. Tailed Beast Ball is basically a projectile version of the same thing ... but the former is still a Rasengan technique, while the latter a tailed beast skill. There's nothing ceremonial about the usage of it, it appears he had learned how to make one a while back (did it to push through a barrier) so either Kishi changed his mind or it's an oversight.... maybe a trivia or something, why I brought this is because are we gonna state in either of the articles that he did the former or latter?--Elveonora (talk) 13:57, July 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Note that the Tailed Beast Ball can be fired while still in a ball form. Naruto was able to break the 32 Level Barrier by pushing Bee's Tailed Beast Ball the rest of the way.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 14:10, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

An error on Kishi's part. Wow. Seriously? I'm pretty sure Kishi wouldn't forget the name of his own technique. Not to mention that this is the second time he's refered to the tailed beast rasengan as the tailed beast ball. Also, from the first time he used it, it was known that the tailed beast ball and the rasengan are one and the same, the only difference being rotation, which is only used for stabilization in human form, and only adds additional effects in techniques like planetary rasengan. Naruto also makes it like he would a rasengan. So it seems obvious Kishi intends the two techniques to be interchangable. Does this make things inconvenient for the wiki? Yeah, sure. Does the wiki have the right to disclaim the author? No, we do not. I vote for merge. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 22:42, July 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Some notes.
 * 1) Kishimoto has forgotten things. Believe it or not, he's not Jesus. His mistakes tend to work themselves out in the tankabon or however it's spelled.
 * 2) The Rasengan was based designed after the Tailed Beast Ball, they are in no way the same technique. In fact I can't even imagine how you possibly get that wrong unless you tried.
 * 3) Naruto does a lot with shadow clones. Remember he has never actually learned how to manipulate chakra perfectly.
 * 4) Not our place to assume what Kishimoto planned.
 * 5) Merge what?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 22:51, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

I think he mean a merge of Tailed Beast Ball/Rasengan into 1 article... but that would make Rasengan a parent technique to Tailed Beast Rasengan, but Rasengan is delivered from the Tailed Beast Ball, thus a paradox 0_o--Elveonora (talk) 23:51, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not to mention they are two entirely different things. The Tailed Beast Ball isn't even a jutsu.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 00:22, July 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * ... This is all a moot point. Given that it wasn't called Rasengan, wasn't created like Rasengan(remember, Naruto can use one of his chakra arms to form a Rasengan in this mode, he doesn't need a clone. He still had to use one for this technique, since it's higher-level), and, in fact, looks absolutely nothing like a Rasengan, what exactly are we arguing about here? Edit: Forgot to sign. My bad. Skarn22 (talk) 01:18, July 26, 2012 (UTC)