Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20160221124823/@comment-27660682-20160320015346

Rachin123 wrote: @MIGshinobi Oh okay I'll give you he was looking into the person's eyes. But genjutsu isn't Sasuke's speciality, so he isn't always going to go for genjutsu as much as you want him to. I never said there was a 0 percent chance Jiraiya would get caught in genjutsu, you've taken my words way out of context. Also, I guess since Pain didn't do anything immediately, there was no danger perception. He should have sensed him though through natural energy sensor perception but whatever. As far as we are concerned he never had a serious battle with a genjutsu user, you don't know for sure. Sasuke used genjutsu on who Killer B who came in his face, C when distracted by someone elses attack, Jugo who is mindless so not really a feat, then there is Itachi when they exchanged genjutsu, who held back. He basically had easy pickings for times he's used Genjutsu: Sharingan. Itachi is deceptive though but close combat with the 3rd's speed will be a no no. And I'm not saying they have to be far but the way you want it to be, you want them to so close because you just want to Itachi to put Jiraiya in Genjutsu: Sharingan. I also never said Jiraiya is starting off in Sage Mode and if he did it would drastically change up the battle. And like Itachi healthy or not will be able to maintain Susanoo fir very long. And how am I exaggerating when I said he kept Susanoo up for about a minute. At best it was 3 and I'm being generous. You might be the one who's exaggerating. I'm done with this thread. I'm tired of repeating and explaining myself to you. You even take things out of context over and over again, not only in this thread but other threads too. It's like I say lne thing and you take only a piece of the info and add a whole new part to it. Smh How exactly am I taking things out of context or exaggerating? My points in this thread as well as questiona/ clarification were simple and ithink justified, it seems that you may be overreacting. Lets refap, I never said you that jiraiya is uncatchable in genjustu, that was a general comment,  and we already proved that it isn't a guarantee for both. Im simply countering the people who think jiraiya is immune to getting caught. Secondly, like I said every battle starts with the two opponentd at medium range to close range, or is jiraiya starting with the privledge of being 50 meters away ? If not, he is starting out in a range where eye contact is possible. That's why I asked the simple question of what ability that jiraiya has to create a massive distance that quickly. Even then, sasuke was able to catch deidara in sharingan genjustu when he was a good distance away on top of his bird. jiraiya, like most people will have trouble dealing with susanoo. Itachi's time with susnaoo is being exaggerated because it was after he purposely wasted chakra on large streams of amaterasu and his GG genjustu which saps 30 percent of his chakra failed when it usually doesn't, that was a sick itachi  This is a prime itach I, so he obviously has more time with susanoo. He obviously still has medicore stamina, but its not like he won't be able to hold it at all he has a decent amount of time.

@Ninja of war, kabuto was blind but he has heat sensing due to being a snake so he still technically sees everything but in infrared. Sensing abilities only help if you can see the attack coming. Jiraiya himself said that even if you are a sensor type you still need to see the attack coming to dodge.

What are these toads he will be summoning? With regards to gen jutsu, like I said before everyone knows about sharingan genjustu so that intel doesn't help jiraiya at all. He will try to avoid eye contact just like everyone else but he is tricked / forced to look into itachi's eyes he will be caught.

Oh so now jiraiya gets to use smoke bombs even though they would hinder his sight as well? I thought people weren't allowed to use smoke bombs because of that, I suppose you retcon that statement now. Even if he uses smoke bombs, that's assuming itachi isnt mobile. Jiraiya has to see where itachi is standing in order to form the swamp wherever his feet are and with the smoke in the way he can't do that. If jiraiya is gonna use a smoke bomb then his hair needle barrage is the better choice because it doesn't require the precision placing the swamp does. But then those hair needles aren't doing anything to susanoo. If he opts for the swamp option it can't be with the smokbe bombs, he has to catch itachi off guard using another method. Gamabunta is a very large target for the totsuka blade, so even if itachi gets immobilized by the swamp somehow its not like he is standing there helplessly while his chakra drains.