Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33308438-20180614101055/@comment-30207214-20180623150406

I stated actually in my previous post, that there are 2 ways of casting a genjutsu. One is through handseals and the other one is through a specific medium (the Sharingan for example). Now, doing hand seals for a wide distance genjutsu shouldn't be difficult for Itachi especially not for someone that focuses on genjutsu, visual genjutsu can just be used through eye contact and that's it. That is how visual genjutsu's were explained. The genjutsu he caught Naruto with can by that just be a genjutsu that was created through hand signs.
 * "How'd itachi cast genjutsu outside the sensor division if he requires eye contact."

This sadly proves nothing, as the range of the Byakugan always variates from the User as Hinata was able to see around 20 km with her Byakugan in The Last and Neji in Part 1 around 50 m (Chapter 172) and in Part 2 like 800 m (Chapter 263).
 * "And not be detected by a doujutsu like Byakugan."

That is no argument at all, prove us how Itachi wouldn't fall for teleportation? You can't really back that up, that is simply your opinion and by no ways a fact and that is why I asked from everyone to stop posting arguments like that. The speed feat of Itachi was never proven from you, while Minato's speed feat was very clearly stated by Tobirama, which means that Minato can blitz Itachi and is through his rough speed able to hit or better said tag Itachi.
 * "Also itachi isnt dumb to fall on ftg which bee reacted effortlessly."

Could you show me the manga panel of this? From what I have seen during that fight was Itachi not being able to deal with Bee in close combat, which is why he was always dodging Bee and going for his crow clone, genjutsu and fire style mainly.
 * "Same bee couldnt keep up with him before itachi allowed him."

To be fair, that argument isn't really stating that Minato is slow, but that Juubito is fast. Something you would expect from someone that fused with the Juubi. Minato actually blitzed Obito and Bee, while his fight with Obito was underwhelming and Bee actually brought him basicly into a draw was that a feat of those specific fighters and not Itachi. What is speed going to do against a person with (pseudo) permeation? Minato would simply phase through, which he actually did and quickly adapted to the said opponent, while Itachi did the same against Nagato was Itachi basicly relying on Naruto and Bee. Let us not even forget that Nagato wasn't controlling the body, but Kabuto did. Kabuto was even wondering and trying to remember which kind of abilities Nagato had (check Chapter 551). In Chapter 551 was Kabuto still wondering about how to catch Naruto and Bee. To sum it up, during that fight was Kabuto controlling Nagato and wondering about what kind of abilities he could have used here and there. Meaning that the Nagato we have seen fight against Naruto, Bee and Itachi wasn't someone that had the experience with his abilities. It was simply Kabuto controlling Nagato.
 * "Where was his quickness when he fought juubito? Where was it when he fought bee and obito?"

When was this seen? Blocking Kirin with the Susanoo doesn't really require high reflexes. Itachi just had to follow Sasuke's normal speed having hand movement that was directing towards him and basicly activate the Susanoo. That is basicly something everyone could have pulled off and if we go by that would we have to state, that Obito's reflexes are godly as he teleported Sasuke from Onoki's dust release cube away, with the speed of him not even seeing him do that, yet did we see Obito having roughly the same lvl of taijutsu as Kakashi.
 * "Itachi is far above his paygrade if thats the case. He has shown far better quickness reaction speed reflexes."

He can't really do that when Minato is too fast and doesn't look him into the eye, blocking it with the Susanoo would be way too risky, because of his chakra reserves too. Leaves us the crow clones, which Minato could simply counter with his shurikenjutsu (throwing his Kunai).
 * "Minato cant use rasengan on him he'll dodge it and put him in genjutsu."

The answer to this is pretty simple, why should Minato look into Itachi's eyes? Bee and Manda were the victim of visual genjutsu and that's it. Minato being Jiraiya's pupil should know what visual genjutsu's are and how to deal with them. Especially since the Uchiha Clan wasn't extinct during his time of life.
 * " He'll suffer the same fate as bee who got caught by a crow feint in genjutsu. Frogs all of them'll be put in genjutsu. Sasuke could do it to manda while being a far weaker genjutsu user I dont get why he cant do the same."

You don't really need to look into Itachi's eyes to go into close combat with Itachi. He could simply grapple Itachi and Death Reaper, but that isn't really a win. That would be a draw.
 * "Death reaper and contract seal are useless as theyre short range so he cant touch itachi."


 * "Orochimaru was supposedly immune to genjutsu according to himself yet he was caught."

When was this stated by the way? I checked the scene of Itachi vs Orochimaru and that was never stated. That was chapter 345 if anyone wants to check it up.