Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36019309-20190114073523/@comment-35409024-20190122033455

BrainBrand wrote:

So even if he can break Tsukuyomi, it doesn't mean he has a great chance. What Kishi said about an Elite Uchiha being able to break Tsukuyomi doesn't mean they can break it in all conditions. Depending on the illusion Itachi can impede their ability to break it and potentially stop them from doing so.

What Kishimoto said is an elite someone with the Sharingan and the Kekkei Genkai can break it. Regardless of the effects that are applied, they can still potentially break it. Time dilation is as part of Tsukuyomi as Madara's arm is to Madara. If Kishimoto says someone can defeat Madara, that doesn't mean, they can defeat Madara as long as he ain't using his arm. That means he can defeat Madara. An elite Uchiha has the potential to break Tsukuyomi according to Itachi and Kishimoto.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

So are you saying Bee can counter Tsukuyomi? i don't see it happening when he literally became fodder to just basic genjutsu casted by both Itachi and Sasuke..

How did you get that from me saying Naruto said Bee couldn't break it? What?

Except it's not like that, Kakashi also warned two JOnin from Konoha that they can't deal with Itachi (genjutsu wise), and one of those Jonin just happened to be Konoha's best genjutsu user at that time, then Itachi went on to solo Orochimaru with just ephemeral i don't see him escaping Tsukuyomi and we can say Orochimaru>>>Konoha jonin/anbu.

Unless your examples include Elite Uchiha with Sharingan, then it's irrelevant since my argument is a direct statement from Kishimoto and Itachi saying an elite Uchiha with Sharingan can break it.

Also, If we wanna take things literally, Kakashi at that time said a kid Sasuke can beat Tsukuyomi which now seems like obvious BS, so with that cleared it should now be obvious that they weren't referring to Tsukuyomi.

Wrong. If we're taking things literally can was used by Itachi, who said "only someone with the Kekkei Genkai and Sharingan can". Kakashi said Sasuke. So Sasuke can break Tsukuyomi. Can as I showed above, can mean possibility. Then Kishimoto added, they needed to be an elite as well. So, does Sasuke have those requirements or can potentially have those requirements? Yes. So no one was wrong.

The level of misinterpretation here is insane ;_;..the first time Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Kakashi, the latter along with Asuma described the speed of Tsukuyomi as instant or near instant, which is what Kakashi is referring to in the chiyo scene....whether you can break genjutsu or not doesn't matter is Kakashi addressing the fact that you won't have time to deal with Tsukuyomi because as he said before "it's instant"...

What? Me: "He has you instantly, obviously means he has you in his Genjutsu" You: "with Asuma described the speed of Tsukuyomi as instant or near instant, which is what Kakashi is referring to in the chiyo scene...." that's literally the same thing. I literally say that means you are in Tsukuyomi instantly. I misinterpreted but you didn't? Makes sense. All Tsukuyomi requires is eye contact and that's it. It's an instantaneous Genjutsu once that requirement is fulfilled. When he said it has nothing to do with breaking Genjutsu, he was referring to Chiyo who stated ways on how to break Genjutsu. No one there met the requirements Kishimoto or Itachi laid. So none of them had the ability to break it. So that was what Kakashi was referring too, even if they can break Genjutsu, it wasn't going to work on the Tsukuyomi since Kishimoto laid the terms of how to break it. As War pointed out in his counter from me, those were the requirements at that time. So whether an non Uchiha can break it or not, is irrelevant too me since my argument is the statement coming from both Kishimoto Kakashi and Itachi which states an Elite Uchiha with Sharingan can break it. You can argue all you want, but their words are facts especially when it comes from the writer.