Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150704102606/@comment-3965545-20150704231036

db4 confirms prime Hiruzen us above Tobirama who beat MS Izuna who equals MS Madara. Madara himself says to Tobirama that he was basically equal to him in life(EMS Madara, not Wood release and Rinnegan Madara) DB4 affirms this on one of their pages that OrganicDinosaur translated. SO going by the facts given from manga and DB4, Hiruzen > Madara = Tobirama > Izuna. Before you start shit, I would love for you to go read OrganicDinosaurs translations. Then go tell her she is wrong, not me.