Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34938099-20180518112404/@comment-33286580-20180521083052

Soloking itachi15 wrote: Good feats,I did say he mastered rasengan and variants without needing clones.By less feats I meant that after Naruto ended, base Naruto wasn't shown having kage level feats compared to bm\bsm Naruto ,even when he fought against toneri and Momo.He has ridiculously strong rasengan and rasenshuriken without needing to go sage or bm mode but that won't get him the victory against kage level opponents.He can give a good fight in his base mode to kage plus level opponents but decimating them in his base mode is far away. Can he beat hashirama or Madara in his base mode ?.Hiashi is pretty featless and I did say that those puppets were easily jonin level.Who has Naruto defeated in his base mode only who is kage or kage plus level ?.I am sure he has grown a lot stronger but there are very less feats of base Naruto in the last or Boruto series which puts him (as u said) easily kage level beyond power.

You yourself say that Naruto has powerful Rasengan and Rasenshuriken variants, which i have stated and shown in manga, capable of killing fused Momoshiki. yet for some reason you say his base level cannot match a Kage. i simply dont get it.

so you are taking Rasengan from Naruto, so take away sand from Gaara, lightning armour from Raikage, FTG and Rasengan from Minato... what can any of them do without their jutsu?

the strength of the shinobi is their jutsu and how they use it. Naruto's jutsu on base level far eclipse any known shinobi.

Yes. Naruto base can defeat Hashirama base. His super Rasengan which defeated fused Momo who was far beyond Hashirama level. there is nothing Hashirama can bring in that can stop Naruto's attack.

Didnt i already mention that base Naruto after 4th war really has no normal opponent he really fought. he fought Toneri and Momshiki and all were beyond Hashirama and company. and i also mentioned that Naruto is not like Goku in character wherein he tries to gauge his opponents strength before jumping from one transformation to another. Naruto fights at his best and so he generally goes his various modes from the very begining.

another feat, if you read Boruto manga, is that Naruto was the only one to react to fused Momoshiki and block his attack and withstand his attack (yeah it was only a couple or so sequence) and continue to fight on unlike all the other Kage who were downed by one move.

just to give you perspective, he blocked a straight forward attack which means he had enough power to stop the attack and speed to react to the speed with which Momoshiki came at him. he dodged an attack by Momo's other hand at such a close range showing his reaction time. he then got kicked and even though he was kicked a distance he showed no signs of injury and actully was capable to continue on. he was able to move his body mid air while being kicked back and dodge an attack from Momo so he has great reflexes. Momo attakced from his blindside and yet he reacted and moved onto Momo. it is after this he went SPSM and the fight continued on.

on the other hand the other Kage - Darui was done in by a kick. Chojoro by a kick too. Kurotsuchi by a punch. Gaara got his sand defence up after witnessing Momo kicking Darui, it stopped Momo's punch, but he was soon done in by Momo's hair, which he saw coming and couldnt react anymore. to Boruto all this happened in an instant.

How is Naruto not superior to them in your eyes?

if the power of Naruto's jutsu in base, which you agree is far strong, isnt base strength than what do you even want base Naruto to be. Just trade punches and kicks. jeez.

on that note he blocked fused Momo's punch without any jutsu, which more or less knocked out 3 of the other 4 Kage, so in every sense he had more physical power than any of them

and i am not even adding SHadow CLones to the mix yet.

if you take the Gaiden into consideration, though i have never read them so going by the wiki here so correct me if i am wrong, but he defeats Garyo and his allinace mostly single handedly and by mostly using Shadow clones. he with Temari and some Suna ninja attack Land of Silence and he does so without any mode too. he even defeats some bomb zombies with a single wind release Rasengan

@Vlad

seriously. he is not on EMSMadara and Hashirama level... really... even when his base form produced Rasengan killed a fused Momo. the power of that Rasengan far eclipsed any thing those two could dish out. the only possible counter to it can be SM Hashirama's big statue, and even than i doubt.

THE FEATS ARE THERE, BUT IT IS LIKE EVERYONE LOVES TO IGNORE THEM. ALL TO DOWNPLAY NARUTO