Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26403664-20160228225013/@comment-7292165-20160302211512

@Gmanis

First I'd like to clock on the fact that The Wood Golem is not that fast. Nothing Itachi can't handle. That also goes with Madara's Susanoo. These avatars aren't neceassarily credited with impressive speed given their size. Now Hashirama and Madara's avatars are however bigger but that can be their biggest downfall, bigger target, easier aim to pierce them with the Totsuka Blade.

Itachi's Tsukuyomi version on Sasuke was premature compared to the one used on Kakashi. Sasuke may have broken out of it but it wasn't that much of an impressive feat seeing as how Itachi held back a lot. Also (to one in specfic), I'd like to point out how funny that people would use the Hashirama fought Madara on several occasions and knows how to deal with their genjutsu methods but when it's Guy, people want to hypocrites.

I would like to point out that Sage Mode has never shown any great speed feats other than reaction speed due to their danger perception. People always seem to use the Itachi kept up with KCM Naruto, despite the fact Itachi was the one to attack Naruto who just blocked. Naruto did not go at it with Itachi for Itachi to even get the credibility so I don't where people get that from. Itachi beat Sasuke in speed who is practically one of the top 10 fastest characters. I guess that's speed feat. I am very sure Hashirama is not faster than Sasuke from what he has shown. Itachi's taijutsu is pretty good from what we saw too. Madara demonstrated his speed against the Fourth Division and taijutsu as well which was pretty good too. Hashirama, well I'd give him average, unless you want to count the opening Silhouette where he could apparently go toe-to-toe with Madara in taijutsu.

Hashirama however has the Wood 1000 arms technique, which is overkill, and Madara has Perfect Susanoo. I am not sure how long it would take if they were being sealed given their size but that amount of time could change everything.

Honestly I don't believe Itachi is invincible even given his Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror but with such things at his hand, he might as well be which is what Zetsu meant. It's called a figure of speech. Just like fans (not me of course) say that Naruto and Sasuke are gods or demi-gods because they are practically the strongest beings in their universe.