Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180205153025/@comment-26107879-20180209122820

"Itachi dispersed into crows, Bee said, that Itachi was an illusion. After that, Itachi said, Bee shouldn't look into his eyes directly. And then Gyuki broke him out of the genjutsu" Did I not say that? "In fact it wasn't until they realized it was Genjutsu when he was replaced by crows and he warned them." /AND/ "Bee and Gyuki did not realize they were in Genjutsu until Itachi warned them and they seen the crows." I did. So how am I incorrect? I clearly stated they didn't know it was Genjutsu until they seen the crows. In fact, Bee was trapped in the Genjutsu before he even grabbed Itachi with the tentacle due to him looking into his eyes which Itachi then states not to do for future references after they seen the crows.

"so no, my point stands firm." Actually it doesn't since they didn't break out until they noticed they were in Genjutsu. They needed to see Itachi's crows before realizing they were in Genjutsu. Gyuki did nothing until after Itachi said something, thus he didn't even know. My argument is the one that stands firm.

"Re-watch road to a Ninja for the reference to Obito's MS. And I already explained why I gave Menma Obito's MS." Uhh. No. I don't want to watch a movie to find out lol. I just read the site's run down of what happened. After reading it, I've learned that it was Obito in Menma's body, not Menma possessing it. After Obito leaves, he no longer has it. So the thread should be Obito in Menma's body vs Itachi. But that doesn't really matter.

"Also, don't give feats of Obito to Itachi." Which feat did I give Itachi that Obito did? Controlling people via Genjutsu? Itachi was stated to be able to control people via Genjutsu, 4th war, reveal of white Zetsu transforming into people, chapter 540. Also Itachi > Obito in Genjutsu. Itachi also possesses the Genjutsu Obito used. So... if Itachi has the jutsu, has the ability, has the skill, then he can do it?

"How can Itachi control Menma, when Obito's MS can see through genjutsu and Kurama can break him out of it?" Now that I know he has Obito's Mangekyo for sure, you make a good point. But just cause he has Sharingan, doesn't mean he can detect when he's in Genjutsu. I mean, the whole "See through Genjutsu" thing was abandon a long time ago. It was even remove from this wiki. The reason being, those with Sharingan, being caught in Genjutsu without knowing such as Sasuke and Kakashi. Since this is Menma, he won't have mastered the eye which makes him as good with Sharingan as a Genin Sasuke, unless you can prove Menma can wield the Sharingan more proficiently than Genin Sasuke, which you can't cause Menma has never used it, Obito in his body did. But I'll bite.

Scenario continues: Menma is trapped in the Genjutsu. Somehow he discerns he is in one. Kurama free's him, but by the time he comes to, Itachi who had already detected Kurama's presence such as Sasuke did with the Sharingan when he first saw Kurama, is already there trying to stab his neck.

Even if he can discern he is in Genjutsu, he doesn't break it instantly. That's all the time Itachi needs since they were within visual range of each other. And we seen how fast Itachi is when he wants to be, granted that was sick Itachi so this Itachi isn't limited physically. So the question now is, can you prove Menma can detect and break the Genjutsu before Itachi moves a few feet to stab his throat?