Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-24824859-20150704165201/@comment-25093611-20150719174526

Thekillman wrote: Because Itachi had completed his Susanoo but was not at a point where it would evolve into a Perfect Susanoo. It's not even clear under what circumstances a Susanoo becomes perfect. so, basically you are simply speculating...ok, at this point it wont make anyone happy to argue more, canon provided us without any satiesfying explanation, of course, via speculation even the most retarded things could become understandable ^_^

edo tensei is a jutsu which was specifically created for this purpose, kamui allows dimension juming and it still requires chakra which obito in his ghost-form didnt have/wasnt able to create...

Thekillman wrote: At this point Obito had been the Sage of Six Paths which gives the user the full understanding of Chakra. What he used was not Kamui, even though it's related. where did you get this from?

Thekillman wrote: Secondly: you repeat the same thing over and over and over, but the principle remains the same: Obitu used a form of Edo Tensei which grants Kakashi his powers temporarily. if you paid attention, you'd know that Edo Tensei grants the target body all the abilities, including Kekkei Genkai, of the bound soul. Kakashi did not *awaken* the Double Mangekyou. Kakashi was *granted* the Double Mangekyou through some form of Kamui Tensei. If you paid attention, you would know that Edo Tensei does not allow the Kekkei Genkai of users to remain.

Ergo, the jutsu Obito used is a form of Edo Tensei as it follows it's rules to the letter. Note that Hagoromo could call souls back from the dead that he had no contact with whatsoever, not even as transmigrants, and without a sacrifice. Obito's Kamui Tensei (that name is my invention FYI) is a jutsu that's somewhere inbetween: It follows the rules of Edo Tensei yet it requires no contract (just as Hagoromo's jutsu). so, like with the "eye-less susanoo" you are speculating :I

Thekillman wrote: Lastly, Chakra can clearly, clearly transcend Death itself. Hagoromo appeared before Naturo and Sasuke and gave them chakra, which by your model is impossible. However, chakra -once merged from Yin/Yang- clearly transcends it's source and can exist as a thing of it's own. the Tailed Beasts themselves are one example. The Soul, like the Body, contains the Kekkei Genkai and chakra of the person in question. Hence, the Dead can transfer chakra. Hence, Obito can perform his Kamui Tensei. Hence Hagoromo can call back the Kage to perform his massive summoning. so6p was a god and had the rinnegans to boot... and he still needed the chakra of his sons in order to show up for them and help...

obito has neither of this things and still does the same stuff... sounds like some massive as*pll and/or plothole... Thekillman wrote: Either reply with an agreement, or a link to a new thread because i think this is off-topic enough. It's about Truthseeking orbs not about what you perceive as retcons. i disagree with all of your points exspecially the bolded part ^_^

sadly i dont know how to make threats, i would make one and name it "compilation of all plotholes/retcons(as*pulls in NV-verse" ^_^