Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-29332822-20170107171428/@comment-27924662-20170112195759

Kakashisologod wrote: @Namikazenaruto there is a diffrence between u earning something and others helping you. are you saying regarding TTJ madara vs Guy? with Guy getting help.. but who is earning here? Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: alive, yes ems madara is weaker than juubito, but imo, if u put madara with kurama he wins against juubito. EMS madara would be weaker than base obito(though that's topic for another day), and saying madara could win against jubito with kurama is foolishness especially when both of them can't touch TTJ(lack of senjutsu) Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: by the way, madara just by having tt would've gotten him tsb, sm, wood release, regen., and all the other things u mentioned earlier.. but that still doenst cut it, cuz guy did have a lot of help.. having ninjutsu doenst mean having help.. madara didn't have any help at all. zetsu wanst any help during the fight itself.. before and after he was, but during it, he was useless. the rinne, he got for himself, with no help either. yes tsb are op, almost stupidly op, but he could've used susanoo ribs, limbos, and even wood release as defense so... what abt Ten-Tails(chakra of the complete world) was helping madara survive (the ultimate regeneration, attack and defense power in narutoverse) fighting against worn-out kakashi, Guy and without hands (below prime and without kurama)minato(mind you rock lee was of no use) also zetsu would have been more useful than minato in straight up fight. Also are you seriously suggesting that Susanoo or wood release could have saved madara when he had no time to stop attacks in any other way accept use TSB to save himself? I doubt even limbo would have stop guy's attack because of incredible speed.