Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180122204034/@comment-7292165-20180126214352

@Namikaze

Choji had not blossomed yet? Fair enough, but he still has shown feats of being physically stronger than base Jiraiya. His clan also specializes in expansion attacks that make them known for their strength. I don't know why this is even a debate.

Jiraiya doesn't have the counter to all of Kakuzu's elements, and is crazy too believe that he'll be easily able to deal with multiple masks attacking, while fighting Kakuzu.

Unlike Jiraiya, Kakashi has displayed plenty of speed and taijutsu feats. Kakuzu was able to him in this fields. Base Jiraiya displayed very little speed feats. Jiraiya's only taijutsu feat was when he kicked the Human Path, but even then he had Sage Mode. Jiraiya is mostly a ninjutsu user. He's not as balanced as Kakashi. And yes Pain did say that if Jiraiya knew his secret, he would have lost. How does that have to do with Kakuzu? He never fought him. (Other than in game story and that is not even canon tbh)

Except the steel doors that Kakuzu knocked down were also protected by a barrier that his strength still broke through. I wouldn't say that Guren giant crystal dome was that much stronger, if stronger at all.