Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30966312-20180413200754/@comment-33286580-20180521061242

I am rooting for Naruto on this one.

for starters, 4th War Naruto in Asura Mode competed against Sasuke with power of 8 1/2 Biju. by the way the manga was centered Naruto and Sasuke were always on equal footing. one would be stronger than other at point, but the other would soon catch up. when they recieved power from Hagoromo they had truly become equal. So when Sasuke absorbed Chakra from all the Biju (and not just have tiny bits of their chakra like Naruto did) he became Hagoromo level. Naruto matched that by using SM and Asura Mode (the latter was just an eye candy to me and nothing more as Naruto can simply create new arms or have his tails act as arms in BM).

now onto people saying that Hagoromo needed Hamura to defeat Kaguya (they had to probably weaken her in order to have her sealed) than Naruto by action of matching upto Sasuke who was said to be Hagormo level at that point means Naruto wasnt ready. WRONG.

everyone seems to conviniently miss out that the Hagormo had not become TTJ at that point. he was base Hagoromo. Hagoromo clearly gained greater power after becoming the TTJ. he could more or less be considered on par with Kaguya, because the only advantage Kaguya had on him was the body of the Juubi. he had essentially extracted the chunk (probably 90+% or so of her chakra, which later became the Biju).

the Sasuke that matched Hagormo level was TTJ Hagoromo. in that means Naruto's Asura Mode in 4th War was on par with it.

flash forward and Naruto gains the whole Kyubi, essentially close to doubling his own power and multiplying it by two if he went Asura Mode in that form. he in a sense has power greater than Kaguya.

just an example, Toneri who activated Tenseigan CHakra Mode and is apparantely said to be on par with Hamura was defeated by KCM1 + SM Naruto (it was normal SM as Naruto had the orange pigmentation around his eyes which is not present in SPSM). he had no need to go KCM2 or BM or BSM or SPSM. he even had Kurama fight on his own with the statue.

ON the immortality note - where was it ever mentioned that she could not die. she had eternal youth apparently and also regeneration, but it didnt mean she cannot die. Momoshiki did die too. he was being apparently stronger than Kaguya and had consumed his own share of Chakra Fruits.

EXTRA ADDITION:

the Otsutsuki all have powers, possibly CHakra, before they consume the fruit of the God Trees. Kaguya was a prime example and so far Kinshiki and Urashiki have not shown to have consumed the fruit. in that sense, Hagoromo and Hamura being Otsutsuki descendent will be born with that power too.

they were. the two were the first apparently (on Earth or whatever the world is called) to be borm with Chakra.

to put in perspective, Kaguya didnt split her chakra to give it to her sons like Hagormo did by spreading a part of his CHakra with the world. the two fought Kaguya with their own Chakra, which could be considered to have grown to half the level of TTJ Kaguya. it is after that Hagoromo sealed the Jubi Chakra in him, which in sense would make his Chakra on par or greater than Kaguya.

Kaguya probably meant that the Chakra she wanted from her children back as a reverse way of the Otsutsuki Clan's philosophy, where powers are passed down to the children, like with Momoshiki taking Kinshiki's chakra. she just was paranoid and wanted all the chakra in the world for herself.

likewise, Indra and Asura were also certainly born with their own Chakra. that would be 1/4 of Kaguya. but by that time Hagormo was TTJ so his chakra capacity had grown on level of Kaguya or greater. even if he passed on a tiny bit of his chakra to the world (which was only meant to connect them spiritually and not big scale fights later down the road) his children at least have half the chakra of Kaguya. it is probably why she was still afraid of those two's incarnations.

SO Naruto by being an incarnation of Asura and having the power awakened already has almost half of Kaguya's chakra. add in his own chakra and it goes a scale higher. follow it with powers Hagormo gave them (since Hagoromo was no longer TTJ he would be back to half of Kaguya's chakra) it will rise by a quarter or so. add in full Kurama who is closest in power to Jubi (half of kurama easily countered five-six of the biju TBB alone) and there goes another meteorical rise. Naruto has aged and his Chakra has clearly grown, so plus more. Add in Senjutsu to the mix and Naruto actually has a great chance here