Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150512133037/@comment-26773508-20150721122859

MadaraUchiha7711 wrote: Munchvtec wrote: Hiruzen at his prime was said to be the most powerful hokage. so hiruzen. For Christ's sake. I've seen so many threads exaggerating Hiruzen and I'm tired. And for those who say, Hiruzen is stronger than Madara,I say"Seriously"? Hashi could solo Hiruzen any day. Madara was Hashi's equal or even more. Now back to the topic. Tobirama is equal to or less than,but only closely, MS Madara. MS Madara could beat Hiruzen high-dif or mid-dif. For those who are going to use DB stats, stop. That's like saying if Madara is rated 22.5 with EMS, and Kakashi is 26, Kakashi could beat Madara. DB stats are useful,but pit characters in a realistic scenario. So for me, Tobirama,inventor of Kage Bunshin,FTG and the world's strongest Suiton user, wins mid-to-high dif. The Hiruzen thing was obviously retconned. Looking at the manga as a whole, the Hokage ranking seems to be: Naruto>Hashirama>Tobirama>Hiruzen>Minato>Tsunade>Kakashi

And Naruto>Hashirama only because of Hagoromo asspulls. In terms of natural ability Hashirama>>>>>Naruto. It's an unfortunate fact that Kishi didn't develop Naruto's character as well as he did with Sasuke. All Naruto does is use Kage Bunshin and Rasengan, and he's supposed to be the friggin' protagonist :/