Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-34661853-20181111160651/@comment-6769189-20181114091606

LoneNinja wrote:

Everyone is confused that Madara and Sasuke got Rinnegan due to Hashirama's cells? Because the series makes it cryptic as to whether or not Sasuke actually did and the databook says he got his powers through Hagoromo and IIRC makes no mention of Hashirama cells.

LoneNinja wrote:

By merging Indra's and Asura's Chakra, you get Rinnegan. This was stated. This is true but the importance of combining those 2 chakras is recreate Hagoromo's chakra. Whom Naruto recieved chakra directly from.

LoneNinja wrote:

Naruto would not have Rinnegan even with Hashirama's hand, because he doesn't have Indra's chakra. Otsutsuki's prove you don't need Sharingan to get Rinnegan. Actually considering Urashiki has a Sharingan-Rinnegan like Sasuke the two eyes are related somewhat. The truest/original form of each is a combination of both. The Sharingan not being a pre-req doesnt mean that the eyes that hold the Sharingan dont also hold the Rinnegan.

Thekillman wrote:

It was never a theme. It was Rock Lee's theme, but then his hard work lost against a genius with innate power. Naruto's hard work lost against Neji's genius until he tapped into Kurama (which isn't hard work). Hard work has never won battles. It very much was. Talent vs hard work was always a huge part of the early series. Genius and talent vs hard work and perseverance. Problem is Kishimoto undermines it with the use/presence of Kurama. Learning Summoning jutsu, Rasengan, Nature Transformation, Rasenshuriken, Sage Mode. Kishimoto compketely gave up on the theme by 4SWW by introducing the concept of transmigration, borrowed/gifted/inherited powers, bloodline predestination etc etc.

Thekillman wrote:

Databooks says it was hagoromo. Thats right. My bad, my bad. But that is still content that even someone who read/watched the series 8 times over wont come across and requires an irritating amount of research. Despite going on this many years after they got their powers there is no in series explaination in any form.