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Madez wrote: Sweg3ter wrote: Madez wrote: But a ninjas speed isn't based on how fast they "naturally" move. It's based on how fast they are capable of moving, no matter what means. Whenever body flicker is mentioned in this manga, the term speed is usually there with it. The skill and speed of body flicker various between users, hence why one ninjas body flicker can be better than someone else's.

No one actually cares about natural speed. That's not how the manga measures speed. The likes of Minato, Fourth Raikage and Tobirama were the best at body flicker, hence why they were praised as the fastest. It seems pointless to try to degrade a character just because some don't deem it as "natural". Nothing in Naruto is natural anyway, so I'm not quite comfortable with the way that word is being used here. Speed is speed, ie Distance/Time.

You said I should think of it as what if they don't use body flicker. Yet that way of thinking is flawed since there is no possible way to know how fast each of these characters are based on "natural speed". Because such things haven't been showed, so you can't label a character fast or slow when they haven't even shown such a thing.

I'm not disagreeing with you when you say Minato and Tobirama are some of fastest characters in Naruto; they just aren't or aren't known to be the fastest using the Body Flicker. If you want to make a page for "Fastest Shinobi" and list Minato and Tobirama there, that's fine, but we can't make the assumption that they are fast using the body flicker like the third and fourth raikages. They are fast using the Hiraishin. My reply wasn't in response to yours.

However I think you're greatly underestimating Minatos body flicker. Or maybe you have just forgotten. When Tobirama, Hiruzen and Hashirama finally catch up to minato, Tobirama says "your shunshin is better than mine". Hiruzens says "minato, you're as fast as ever"... Nothing to do with FTG or teleportation.

When KCM Naruto first blitzes Kisame, Killer Bee says it was the shunshin no jutsu, but it looked like the "yellow flash". Yamato then says Narutos shunshin/body flicker isn't on the fourth Hokages level yet.

When Obito throws baby Naruto into the air, and tries to stab him, Minato blitzes across the room and saves Naruto with the body flicker. Obito then says minato lives up to his yellow flash moniker. Also when Kushina is about to be crushed by the nine tails, minato swoops in and escapes with the body flicker. Obito again says you really are a flash.

I think maybe you are just forgotten Minatos feats of using the body flicker, because he's used it a lot.

Wow, you got me there lol. I indeed forgot that Minato used the shunshin in those situations, and those are good examples. I did not read this thread fully before making my claims and upon further inspection of your posts, I must apologize as I misunderstood your argument. You do have a good point.