Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150530210611/@comment-4688597-20150531000148

BlueLantern1995 wrote: Actionmanrandell wrote: BlueLantern1995 itachi never said he could defeat nagato NEVER it was specifically said that nagato was kabuto's second most powerful edo tensei

and Nagato had a problem with controlling the kyuubi because of his injuries if he was in perfect health he would have easily killed all of his opponents

GreatestSin Obito would solo orochimaru and tsunade but not jiraiya the only benifit obito had was Kamui and he was still not as powerful as jiraiya as he easily got defeated by minato who wasn't as powerful as jiraiya. jiraiya and itachi were rated as equals in total power in the databooks but that doesn't account for total experience and Shisui would only solo jiraiya if he had access to his koto amatsukami

they would have a hard time getting past his senjutsu and his needle hair which is extremely fast so fast that had pain not been able to summon that panda bear his needle jutsu would have hit the pain Itachi was never said to be able to beat Pain. I myself don't see that happening but that isn't what I was saying. I was saying Itachi said in Part 1 during Konoha Crush(right after Orochimaru's invasion) that he could kill Jiraya but he'd die as well which isn't a "desirable outcome" and they'd best avoid it. However with knowledge and as Jiraya's equal he very well could win and I could be persuaded by a sufficiantely persuasive person to switch positions.

Obito never did say he could beat Nagato but his being able to is what we are discussing here. Also 2 things, first when he was during the 9 tails attack he was 14-15 years old at the time of the show he was around 31 years old. That amount of strength and experience is very different. 2ndly, whose saying Jiraya is that strong? Minato very well could be beyond his master.

Another thing if you're going to talk about Perfect Health Nagato having no problem with the 9 tails(which I would agree with) then also don't forget this simple fact Obito was equally nerfed to Nagato. Obito was at half his natural power as was Nagato. Nagato because he was physically handicapped, Obito because he was missing his eye. Simple case is, Obito with an equal nerf could control the complete 9 tails and Nagato couldn't handle half of the 9 tails.

The way that I see that statement about Jiraya from Pain is he was powerful enough to beat him with knowledge. Without knowledge its massacre but with then he could win. This I think can also be said for the Kabuto vs Tsunade fight way back when during Part 1. Kabuto is in Kakashi's league and Tsunade is in Jiraya's league but Kabuto with knowledge of her could win and almost did.

Obito with just one eye was superior in power to the 4th Hokage, 9 tails, and Itachi something I think people forget. And all this was without using the woodstyle he used after Rin's Death.

People forget Obito was said to be the equal of Madara albeit a nerfed one. With the other eye he would have been beyond Madara in power(just look at Double EMS Kakashi that was Obito's chakra and full natural power at work). Obito is not greater than the 9 tails in power he used genjutsu to control it. Also, he wasn't greater than Minato either. Minato shit stomped him and was smart enough to figure out Kamui. Also, when he gave his MS to Kakashi, he also enhanced their power with Six Paths Chakra, as said by Kakashi himself.