Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180918021030

CombatIQmatters wrote: @Hagoromo.

1. We already established that his eye color was yellow in SPSM. we debunked the pigmentation argument, but the yellow eye color indicator has yet to be debunked. The eye color itself was unprecedented, meaning he experienced a change. We can't just presume the the change in eye color had nothing to do with his recent changes, such as having all 9 tailed beasts and gaining access to the mode.

2. We also already established that there is such a thing as incomplete SPSM. Obito experienced it firsthand when he could only wield a mere two truth seeking orbs, and his sage transformation wasn't complete. You're theory still works as long as you address the yellow eye color instead of avoiding it. so, pls do not let your hard work here be in vain lol. I'm simply modifying the theory slightly. 1. Naruto’ eyes only became yellow at shippuden episode 424 @12:17, the moment he enters rsm. Before that his eyes’ color was the same as sage mode. So if they truly wanted to base his mode on eye color, their claims should be that Naruto was in toad sage mode at that time. The lack of rings as you said have been debunked. So now they’re stuck with an even more inaccurate claim.

Has Naruto ever shown yellow eyes after vote2? If so, was he in rsm? If yes, what proof is there of rsm?

2. Obito’ adjustment to being a juubi jinchuriki maybe be considered ‘‘incomplete rikudo sage transformation” not ‘incomplete rsm’. Remember, the transformation and the mode are different processes, with the same end result. Naruto at that times wasn’t transforming, he was increasing his level of rikudo senjutsu with the cooperation of the biju, just as madara pointed out.

Littlegen wrote: We have no idea if Obito or Madara have eye markings. Their doujutsu prevent us from seeing their eyes. 1. Regardless if they had eye markings or not, it was never made relevant to the form. That fact will never change, nor will the fact that the manga directly establishes and the databook alluded to rikudo senjutsu as the source of rikudo sagehood for hagoromo, obito, madara and Naruto. Rikudo senjutsu has its own unique markings.

2. Sage transformations don’t cause the same ocular changes as sage modes.

So even if you could prove they had marking, which you can’t, they were each established as rikudo sages already without using their eyes as a reference. It’s moot.

AsianReaper wrote: 1. It is indicated in the databook, being one of the images used to describe SPSM's power. They could have literally used any other feat, but they chose the one with Naruto without his cloak.

2. You think Kurama gathering Nature Energy is the reason he doesn't get pigmentation? Then why did Naruto have those eyes as soon as he got up from his near-death?

3. Also, can Kurama even gather Nature Energy while he's inside Naruto? Gathering Nature Energy requires one to be still for a certain amount of time. If he's just a mass of chakra inside Naruto, he isn't still. If Kurama could just gather Nature Energy from inside Naruto, then Naruto woulda been able to use Sage Mode near the end when he was fist fighting Sasuke and Kurama was just moulding chakra. 1. The moment you define an image without its context, you are guilty of misinterpretation. The image has context that you admit to disregarding. The official provided description of the image will always take precedent over your fabricated own. It doesn’t matter what you say, that isn’t changing. Ignoring relevant facts makes you incapable of being objective. That’s the bottom line here.

2. I explained this already in the OP.

3. Kurama was exhausted and had to rest. His cooperation became minimal at that point.