Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34436445-20180524115106/@comment-30323490-20180526082429

LoneNinja wrote: These arguments are sad. You are comparing Minato's speed to Naruto with him going against a kid like Boruto? I'm not even going to acknowledge that idiotic statement. Naruto in base has little to no speed feats. Show me someone who is fast that he actually went up against, then we'll talk.

Naruto Durability > Minato's? Naruto literally fell to his knees when pierced by Shin's sword while in KCM, meanwhile base Minato stood tall even with Kurama's claw inside his chest and still extracted half of full Kurama's soul with the Shinigami and sealed the other half in Naruto. Get out with that bullshit.

Sage Mode? Sure Naruto can maintain his longer, but what does that help? Minato goes into his instantly, and all he needs his for is one attack. His base speed and reaction speed are superior to base Naruto's in every way, and when you put them both in Sage Mode, Naruto is barely as good as Minato's base form /Maybe/.

Rasengan? Prove that Naruto's is superior. Minato showed that he could form large Rasengans just as Naruto.

@Vlado

"Minato was in KCM when he did that, not in base.So yes, it`s understandable why he was able to create such a large rasengan." You have no proof that was due to Kurama. Minato has enough reserves to summon Gamabunta, teleport a Bijuu, perform Sage Mode, spam Flying Raijin which takes three high Jonin to even use once, etc. He has enough reserves to make a large Rasengan if he needs to. However, it is stated he values speed, so it's rare for him to ever take the time to use time consuming techniques unless he has to.

As for the whole multiple shadow clones + sage mode. Unless one of you can prove Naruto can now make more than five Shadow Clones with Sage Mode unlike he couldn't before without the help of Kurama, then I don't want to hear that bullshit argument. Naruto himself stated he couldn't even make more than 5 shadow clones and maintain Sage Mode, so if you think he's making hundreds, you're extremely delusional.

And the Third Raikage feat is due to reaction speed. Minato's reaction speed is shown to be superior. Naruto can't even react to a sword a few feet in front of his face.

Base Naruto is overhyped. He needed KCM to deal with Shin. Sakura dealt with Shin with ease. That just goes to show how Naruto has fallen in base form.

Dude, it was more than obvious that by using KCM chakra, Minato made that big rasengan.Like that i could also easily say that Naruto did everything with his own chakra when he was in KCM. So please.More than obvious. Don`t even try it. How come that when he entered SM he still used the regular size rasengan? Why didn`t he use a larger version? I mean it would`ve been easier and he would`ve reach Madara quite easily, instead of being countered and having his own rasengan turn on hi allies. And yes, Naruto couldn`t make more than a couple shadow clones...but that was against Pain when he was just a beginner in SM.He did create an army of them against Kurama for instance. And as Hokage he is way above that.Is not that he couldn`t make a lot of shadow clones. At that time he was using other shadow clones to gather NY for him, and by making a lot of clones it would`ve disrupted the process.

And what happened in Boruto quite frankly completely overrides the feats from the Gaiden.Naruto reacted to Momoshiki (Kinshiki absorbed) when he entered SPSM and kicked him away. On the other hand, Momoshiki himself was that fast and had such reflexes that he countered Sasuke`s ameno and hit him away.

And you say that he fallen in his knees in Gaiden after he was stabbed with the sword. Ok, why don`t you take in consideration that he tanked an overcharged bijuu bomb by himself, without destroying an entire village? And that not only he got his chakra absorbed for God knows how much time, bu he still put up the best fight against Momoshiki and (as i said above) easily reacted to him? And after that he got stabbed by couple rinnegan rods and still powered up Boruto`s rasengan to the point where defeated a God? Why don`t you take these feats into account? They are far more recent. From the chuunin exams until the finale of Momoshiki`s arc Naruto proved more durability than anybody did.

And please, stop calling everybody names.You are not better than anybody.If you are not willing to have a decent debate and if you think that you are that much superior, than maybe you should leave the wiki. Be respectful, it won`t hurt you.