Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170904204034/@comment-33308438-20171011102109

Ninja Of War wrote: @Natrix

Was talking about crushing toad stomach soz.

A was raging and that made him reckless. According to intelligence B was captured by Sasuke. A smashed the table during the kage summit, was visibly angered when he dealt with the zetsu clone and when he confronted Sasuke. He even complained to Ohnoki that he wanted to kill Sasuke after the latter appeared to vaporize him. So deny it all you want, doesn't change that its true.

On wood release, from what you stated, you claimed that Susanoo arrow can pierce through Hashirama-level wood release, yet Danzo wasn't using Hashirama-level wood release. So that comparison is flawed. The only week argument here is yours.

What evidence do you have that Sasuke was going to use Kirin or is that just speculation lol? Kirin uses natural lighting, which is more powerful, as stated by zetsu. That's the whole point of the technique, so don't know what you are trying to show there.

Proof that chidori can penetrate all the defenses I stated?

Actually, the toads would be co-operating together and with Jiraiya, not just standing still and waiting for Sasuke to attack, as you seem to think. Toads would be very useful in the points I mentioned. I have provided several feats, yet all you bring is hype and speculation.

You seem to think Jiraiya will allow Sasuke to get close, yet that totally goes against his fighting style. You need to take into account both of their fighting styles and how they will adjust to one another.

Swamp technique would immobilize both Sasuke and Susanoo. I've given several techniques that Jiraiya could use to deal with Susanoo, seems like you have to dismiss them or else you have to face the fact that you can't argue against them lol?

P.S. What about Sasuke's stamina? MS techniques come with heavy recoil and high chakra consumption, don't see Sasuke lasting long with your rundown.

First of all, even with all that striking from A which was affecting Sasuke from the inside, he was capable of maintaining SusanoO , against gaara and team. That's enough duration for jiraiya to actually get killed.

Kirin has been shown by Sasuke that he could use without the prep as oro stopped him and said "That jutsu you shouldnt use against them", according to your knowledge, what jutsu does Sasuke have so lethal, that could destroy team 7 of yamato in beginning part 2? He is controlling the natural lightning either way. It's not like he's making that lightning with his chakra, he is controlling it with his chakra.

You're repeating that danzo argument. What is wood release in your opinion? Controlling wood. Nothing else. Yamato has a low level control, but the thing is danzo doesnt use wood element technique but his whole hand is composed of the cells so when it lost control it grew into a sturdy tree equal in size to hashirana's tree. There is no need to mention wood release, the tree sturdiness is the same, except danzo cannot control it. Also tobi said he planned to control the nine tails with wood cells and sharingans so your point is moot. He just hadn't mastered the controlling of the said cells.

Itachi burned toad mouth bind with amaterasu in part 1

He cant use swamp of the underworld bcuz SusanoO is an absolute defense like kaiten and gaara sand, protecting from all sides. I already gave explanation why only gaara sand could come beneath the SusanoO while all other earth style jutsu user, even onoki couldnt do it. I dont have any fact to face, since nothing you said is cannonically "fact" lol. If you're gonna say SusanoO beneath, is un-protected , show me another instance , it was penetrated this way, cuz you cant , gaara's sand is spiritual stated in manga. Onoki lightened his sand to mix with the sand all around otherwise gaara could've manipulated the initial sand around madara's feet, which he didn't.

Where does the match begin anyway?in a hallway?Or a plain field?or a marshy area?either way, Sasuke can fly in his eagle, what is jiraiya going to do about that?He cant use swamp so he gotta penetrate , straight up , which he cant.

All you say is facts fabricated. Saying danzo's tree was lesser sturdy than hashirama when tobi stated it's true hashirama cells capable of controlling kurama, just that he cannot control the cells. All of the wood cells in his hand turned into the tree, so ofcourse it has the sturdiness of hashirama's trees.

Jiraiya has no defense against genjutsu, not to mention, if he doesnt look Sasuke in the eye, amaterasu burns his head because amaterasu has burned harder than steel substances and also kept burning underwater which should prove how hot it has to be since the hachibi was flapping the tails in underwater still didnt erase the flames.

Even if he breaks the genjutsu, he wouldn't break it instantly considering the fact that danzo had ten partners(sharingan) and wood element cells which is also a partner bcuz it's alive. In that small interval Sasuke would use his mid range chidori spear to pierce jiraiya's heart.

You're simply evading from the question since you don't wanna believe facts go against your argument.

A was visibly angry so?Deny however you want since nothing you say is fact just baseless assumptions. You cant prove he was angry when he was about to hit Sasuke with his punch, he was just raged at the news that he finally found Sasuke. You and your literally non-canonical assumptions. If A's speed was lowered, Cee or darui would've stated it for the viewers. A was going at full speed and not restricted by any bullshit anger or anything.

Not able to control something doesnt weaken its power, the power is the same.