Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36512555-20180814043009/@comment-34656247-20180817054039

@Combat... If he can run circles around killer intent Ayy, why couldn't he do it to obito man??? I want to hear your thoughts on this statement of mine >> And if Obito was moving FASTER than KCM Naruto as you mentioned, then Gai would've still been late, falling or not,plus it was a short distance to cover with that amount of [assumed] speed he would've reached naruto and warp him away before Gai even landed
 * UH,dude are you by any chance hinting that he can't? cuz it's was shown thrice that he was capable of doing so.... i said before,the manga,every action of every character are all planned...they don't move on their own lol. That scene eventually leads to a major twist in that fight whereas they managed to make a crack in Obito's mask,which eventually lead to Obito's mask being completely broken,....But even so,every thing has a reason as i like to say, earlier you brought you that a reason why his feet remains in the air was because of his balance at that point, page 8 third panel shows him leaning quite a good way infront, now put yourself in that position add a heavy bijju dama in front also😅 and lift a leg up...so yea balance could be plausible if you were to mimick Naruto's position.

'''when did itachi make a clone versus bee and naruto? the cloud of smoke you saw was shunshin. Jiraiya also made a cloud like that when he used shunshin to escape from the three pains and go into the pipes.'''
 * Well this makes more sense, when a body goes poof in the narutoverse clone usually comes to mind ;_-...i did wonder why the hell would he make a clone and just disperse it without using.

 but it still shows obito was in a smiliar speed tier.
 * Ermm..noo lol. Ever ran beforE? [who hasnt....] when you left point A, do you automatically reach top speed? do you always move at top speed? it surely depends on the situation and the opponent, as seen with rock lee his base speed wasn't enough to bypass gaara's sand so he adapted hence he dropped a little weight ;_-....that logic doesn't really make enough sense in this case seeing as how Naruto should've easily clocked top speed and left Obito in the dust giving their situation at that moment but to also counter this Naruto at one point was more interested in the guy's identity than stopping him...,the best excuse i can give right now is plot plot plot and plot which is definitely valid cuz everything is already planned....To conclude Naruto didn't perform any blitzing against Obito himself, maybe he thought it wouldn't work because of the fact that the guy can slip through anything..To reply directly here i would say Naruto obviously wasnt clocking top speed there with all the jumping backwards stuff and let's not forget he failed to catch Naruto even like that so it definetly doesnt put him in the same tier.

@Legion....'''Mmm no. The motion lines would only be on his chakra arm. In the panel literally above that one Obito is swinging the gunbai and only the gunbai has motion lines, not his entire body.'''
 * ERmm so what exactly is your point? cuz Naruto didn't move for 8 pages after Gai landed he even remained there -,_,-

Even though he wouldn't just waste chakra like that but fine you can have that one
 * As soon as he created the clone, chakra was already wasted...no refund.

'''Like...... what?'''
 * Lemme simplify ;_; no matter what, the main chatracter won't go down..the manga was already planned...the characters dont move on their own -,_,-

Hashtag he was running with it just fine,Hashtag his body wasnt supporting the weight anymore,Hashtag he could have just let it go so make sure Obito didnt get too close(if he was actually faster)
 * After the clone charged ahead he suddenly stopped? weird...ever swung a baseball bat? after the swing is successful does your body instantly revert back to it's normal posture? nope in this case naruto was still swinging. Did you seriously include if Naruto was faster? or i suppose that was meant for obito, oh mistakes, it happens.

'''Why would he move? Everyone is coming to him.'''
 * Which is something he wanted to avoid so he stayed away😝

'''What lean? Thats the usual running and throwing/palm attack pose.Page 11 debunks that crap outta this point because he is thowing it again just fine'''
 * Who leans when throwing/pushing upwards? the throwing palm attack pose is something i can agree on, cuz that's exactly what he did.

Because he was hype that he could make a TBB.
 * What an excuse....it failed horribly tho.

'''His clone had the same face after passing through Obito. He makes this face almost any time he attacks.'''
 * The clone had the face on the entire time.

What happened to Naruto doesnt want Obito to get close?
 * Eh?

'''Naruto actually finally managed to move a leg between 8 and 9 If Guy pushed off of something, with decent timing he would have made it. Which he would because he is smart and this is a series where even the lower level ninjas can walk on water/walls/ceilings. The fall of gravity is a horrible joke at this point in the series and relying on it for anything is like trying to cool lava with an ice cube.'''
 * After gai intervened...that tells me you don't know kcm naruto's top speed....same with denying it, which would be dumb cuz it's actually a thing.....

'''He only dodged, kept up with and snuck attack the dude who pulled off this feat. Where was it even shown or stated that he couldnt move at this speed? Your entire argument was based of this presumption but we were never given Obito's upper limit and as i said, he dodged, kept up with, and successfully snuck attack this same Naruto.'''
 * Lol i can't believe my eyes after reading that part....you're saying Obito can blitz away 6 tailed beast bomb...ok..the wank is alive. Obito has zero speed feats and look how pathetic your situation is, you're literally struggling to find one, Naruto didn't land his feet down and obito just dashed a few feet to reach the guy and suddenly he gained alllllllllllllllll of Narutos speed????? wtf. jeeez.

Because Naruto unlocked a new form he never seen before and there was a dust storm in his face
 * Ok, gai also said so fast!, what's your excuse there? there was also 6 panels lemme know which one has dust blocking Gai's view, Kakashi was clearly seeing him. You're trying to ignore the fact that Naruto actually achieved another speed feat..whilst Obito is stuck at zero

'''Because Naruto unlocked a new form he never seen before and there was a dust storm in his face. All he could see was a faint outline that resembled Minato'''
 * First of all will you stop pretending already. Secondly if there was dust blocking kakashi then he wouldn't have been able to see the guy at all, the panel clearly shows Naruto being visible and the dust at his sides.

Being shocked doesn't mean he isnt that fast.
 * In the kamui spammer's case ,yes it does mean so😅...cuz he has ZEROOOOO feat prior to that scene.

This chapter proves that he can see him at his top speed considering he commented on it instead of being confused and not understanding what happened
 * See him? all he saw was a streak of yellow light flashing across the bombs,deflecting them. If a car was travelling 1000 mph would you be able to tell the make and model of it like you would be able to if it was travelling at 50mph? nope.

Not everyone can thrust themselves in any direction with the speed and force of KCM Naruto and Obito
 * So they are like the VIP's of the jumping section.?

'''If Naruto was sooo much faster he could just turn around escape without issue.He stopped chasing because he had a sneakier and more effective way to get Naruto. And it worked. Because Naruto was too slow to run away.'''
 * Yea you know right..but plot didn't allow it. He stopped because he realised he could'nt catch naruto even when the guy was running backwards😅😅 so he had to improvise. Hence he had to stop Naruto in order to catch him😝

Rinnegan has 6 Paths chakra which up character stats
 * Hinata has 6 paths chakra also....so she has KCM speed now. Provide a proof atleast,cuz i find nothing concerning speed, only that it improves natural endurance, improve general awareness, and even allow a user to have superhuman strength....

'''Whats the point in typing all of that if you are going to admit Naruto wasnt using his higher levels of speed against Itachi? How is Naruto not fighting to survive and having his limits pushed constantly relate to his fight with Obito? You are ignoring the contexts of these fights to make a point that ultimately fails because of said contexts'''
 * The point is to show that i can recognise when Naruto is actually going fast, this is something you can't do.

 "Clearly didnt use that level of speed" despite Naruto straining himself constantly and being pushed to his limits constantly.
 * Struggling to land a hit on a kamui spammer would be puttting it in a better way.