Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180205153025/@comment-26107879-20180210233459

@Ninja of War

Instead of watching the anime I suggest you read the Manga. Chapter 260. He never states it doesn't affect the clone. Stop grasping at straws. 1st, Kakashi's clone seen he was paper then was burned to ash (if it didn't trap it, what was this then? LOL was Kakashi's clone day dreaming?). Itachi: "Indeed, you are a skilled Jutsu user. Cause you concealed yourself with that Doton (Earth Release), I didn't see you until it was too late. No wonder... I wouldn't expect /you/ to be affected by the Genjutsu. This was a Kage Bunshin (Shadow Clone)." LOL Where does he state the Shadow Clone wasn't affected? Look at you making more stuff up.

"If you say they were fooled, then why didn't Sasuke try and stab Itachi in the throat?" Why waste the energy and stab him at all? Answer, he was fooled momentarily.

"Danzo's sharingan eye was covered, it was clear that it was not active." I'll actually give you that one. Cause you're right on that. Now you're starting to use actual facts. Maybe this debate isn't a lost cause after all.

"Chiyo's words, multiple allies can overcome sharingan genjutsu when the user is preoccupied with the genjutsu." Your point, in my scenario, Menma is alone.

"You didn't deliver proof on Obito's technique. You couldn't provide me a reference where it states what technique Obito used on Yagura." I did. Please provide a reference to another Genjutsu Obito has that controls people, other than Genjutsu: Sharingan. If you can't, then that's the jutsu he used. Why? Same reason the wiki has the Kekkei Genkai Manget Release listed as wind and earth. Cause those were the only elements the user had that weren't occupied for another canon nature Kekkei Genkai. If that bothers you, then I suggest using another site. Since this is the wiki, I'm going by this wiki's rules.

"How does Obito's abilities relate to Itachi? Where is the precedent of Itachi controlling a tailed beast? Please, you are grasping straws there." It's the jutsu that allows the user to control people, tailed beasts, and do various other things. Even if Genjutsu: Sharingan isn't the technique Obito used on Yagura (It is, until proven otherwise just as Magnet Release is the combination of Wind and Earth), it still stated to do all that, and even stated to be able to control a tailed beast inside it's Jinchuriki. Thus, my scenario still works and thus Menma dies, until you can prove Menma and Kurama can both break free from Sharingan: Genjutsu.