Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-46828725-20200910033310/@comment-46817411-20200920074710

BloodOfTheArchon wrote: He didn't. It was a plot point that was changed, it was originally hinted at that Danzo was the one who did it using Shisui's eye and that Ao was the one who broke it. They ended up deciding that it wasn't Danzo who did it after they already made the choice otherwise Naruto and B would have been done for ages ago, same with every other enemy Obito had including Minato because if Obito could do that to a perfect Jin then there is ZERO way Minato for example could have won or survived. Also your logic doesn't work.. Hashirama and Tobirama trained Hiruzen and even groomed him to become Hokage, he may have surpassed Tobirama but do you think he surpassed Hashirama?? No. Madara has zero good Genjutsu feats, his speed isn't shown to be amazing either, and his taijutsu was against a whole bunch of fodder who were all struggling to fight white zetsu beforehand. Like I said before stop giving him feats he doesn't have. I'm going to be frank with you, your logic and your argument are trash. You need to do better than that.

Well some people will say that Hiruzen is more powerful than Hashirama. He does know EVERY JUTSU IN THE LEAF VILLAGE. Possibly including the clan exclusive ones.

I wouldn't say that the feat where he was able to catch A and put him in a genjutsu isn't bad. Although that is the only time we've ever seen him use genjutsu I think. Although we haven't seen Madara use taijutsu a lot either except for when he fought EMS Sasuke blind. His brief scuffle with KCM 2 Naruto. And when he just toyed around with Guy. That's about all I can recall. And when did I give him a feat he didn't have?