Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-24855929-20150515102807/@comment-5936871-20150608222908

@UchihaMasters Hamura and Pre-TTJ Hagoromo, both who inherited half of their mother's power, were able to defeat and seal the Ten-Tails in it's original form at full power that was hailed as a God that could carry mountains, split the land, devour oceans, and if given enough time could destroy the entire world. Hamura, was depicted as being equal to his brother Hagoromo as the Tenseigan is said to be equal to the Rinnegan, which Hamura and Hagoromo possessed respectively. Hamura has TSBs, enormous reserves of Six Paths Chakra, Byakugan, and Tenseigan. A living Rinnegan Madara (Even with Limbo, which can be sensed or seen by those who have Six Paths Sage Chakra or Rinnegan, and Hamura has Rinnegan's equal in power and the fact that he uses TSBS already proves that he can use senjutsu too, implying that he may also have Six Paths Sage Chakra, meaning he should be able to both see and sense Limbo) definitely can't defeat him. Sure Rinnegan Madara is very strong, but I honestly don't see how he would be able to defeat Hamura or a Pre-TTJ Hagoromo for that matter. When he defeated all of the tailed beasts, he was in Sage Mode after stealing virtually all of Hashirama's Senjutsu Chakra which made him drastically stronger than before and gave him even further increased healing abilities. (Which btw is even greater than that of Naruto, Minato, and Kurama's chakra as stated by Hashirama himself). When he hit them with Limbo, they were taken by surprise and had absolutely no idea what hit them and were unable to see it or sense it as well. So if you're gonna use that in the debate you can't forget important things like that, and Madara is definitely not stronger than Juubito in his base form with no senjutsu. Where did you even hear that?