Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-30355627-20161218164138/@comment-734582-20161221215350

Keaire wrote: 1) It isn't necessary to max out Uchiha ocular power before the Rikudou chakra fusion takes place. There's no evidence that suggest a link between obtaining EMS and Rinnegan, or needing to max it first. Neither Madara nor Sasuke obtained the other half's power before obtaining EMS, and even then Madara only awakened late in his life and Sasuke awoke it due to Hagoromo. We can't really draw conclusions from that. Keaire wrote: 2) Asura unlocking Rinnegan would first cause the Sharingan, then a Mangekyou Sharingan to appear, before the Rinnegan (think Obito awakening Mangekyou from a 2-Tomoe Sharingan). This is pure speculation.

Keaire wrote: No, I don't believe we have evidence to completely throw out everything we learned before. Especially when the only three on-panel examples of Rinnegan manifestation occurred in EMS users. Who's the third?

This is really just similar to things like Uzumaki being a branch clan of the Senju or the elemental combination of Explosion release: They're theories.

Hagoromo obtaining the Sharingan first was Anime-only. that filler also contradicts so many things that it's basically worthless as evidence. Elveonora wrote: Well, not necessarily, the Rinnegan isn't dependent on the Sharingan, they are separate doujutsu, I don't understand why people think that it's the Sharingan which changes into Rinnegan or that one needs Sharingan for the Rinnegan. I've fogotten to say this i think five times already;

Note that Hagoromo specifically says that Indra inherited his mother's eyes, with which he meant Sharingan. Isn't it weird that he doesn't say "he has an inferior form of my dojutsu" or "he has my eyes but different" or something?

Second thing, not sure if i mentioned this, but Hagoromo's Rinnegan is a Kekkei Mora. Considering other Kekkei Mora appear to be the fundamental powers from which all other KKG and KKT are derived, it seems to me that it's further evidence that the Rinnegan is kind of it's own thing.