Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-24142271-20150818121911/@comment-3568954-20160506114043

i am giving this to Tobirama.below i will give adequate reasons why tobirama would win abilities 1 Tobirama was one of the most powerful shinobi in history, earning praise from Madara on several occasions. He even defeated Izuna, Madara's brother and equal in skills and power.

2Danzō stated that Tobirama's prowess was unmatched during his time as Hokage.

3 He also survived a battle with the Gold and Silver Brothers, who possessed the Nine-Tails' chakra and wielded the Treasured Tools of the Sage of Six Paths.

4.In the anime, Tobirama could cast genjutsu to lock a target in perpetual darkness.

Physical and Chakra Prowess

5.Tobirama was hailed as the fastest shinobi during his lifetime. He was capable of moving fast enough to bo cover a target with explosive tags as well as marking them for his Space–Time Ninjutsu unnoticed(this is a physical ability not space time ninjutsu as it was stated that he was fast enough to cover the target with explosive tags and mark them for his space time ninjutsu without them ever noticing)

6 In the anime, Tobirama is shown moving equally quickly while underwater.His chakra reserves were large enough to teleport two Tailed Beast Mode users simultaneously, and strong enough to create a surge of wind and crack an entire wall when released(simply by raising his finger)

7 His chakra control was advanced enough to perform complex techniques with only one hand seal.

Ninjutsu 8As a Senju, Tobirama was skilled in different ninjutsu forms, including the Summoning Technique and barrier ninjutsu. 9 He was skilled with a sword, enough to clash with Izuna on multiple occasions; in the anime, he wielded and mastered the Sword of the Thunder God, a blade with electrical abilities. 10He also created various innovative techniques, such as the Shadow Clone Technique.

11.Since childhood, Tobirama was an adept sensor.By touching the ground with his finger, he could accurately detect the presence and location of targets in the surrounding area.He could even sense others countries away, identify a target's ancestry from their chakra signature,and even pinpoint a target's exact location while blinded. Nature Transformation 12.Tobirama was able to use all five basic nature transformations, along with Yin and Yang Release. He was most famous for his mastery of Water Release, revered as the most powerful user in history. He could create vast quantities of water without a water source, which contributed to his appointment as Hokage. He could shoot from his mouth high-pressured streams to slice through targets or as needle-shaped projectiles. He also create defensive walls or large water dragons. In the anime, he could cover an entire battlefield in and shape it into tendrils to pull targets down with him to drown them

13. he had mastery over space time ninjutsu

14 he created the impure world ressurection technique it was stated that he would use this technique when ever he needed clear a map. which implies he had a group of Edo Tensei soldiers pre-prepared

In battle, Tobirama was calculating, striking only when he's confident of success and without any thought of mercy. According to Madara, Tobirama was known for launching surprise attacks on opponents who think they've won and have let their guard down. In order to capitalise on every possible advantage, he pays careful attention to every aspect of a battle, analysing opponents' strategies and techniques to discern their purpose, mechanics, and ultimately their weaknesses. He was similarly knowledgeable of skills he has no training in, being able to recognise a toad from Mount Myōboku and different types of advanced nature transformations.

and as for kisame being equally smart. thats wrong his databook entry states he is a 3.5 in intelligence there is no way tobirama would be a 3.5 in intelligence.

kisame's best option is samehada which i guarantee Tobirama would create a proper strategy to remove samehada from the equation. once samehada is gone kisame wouldn't have a chance.

once kisame can no longer absorb chakra. there is no way he would be able to compete with tobirama's superior knowledge in ninjutsu