Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-6769189-20180907023300

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Let's start with Kurama mode. Here is Naruto' 'Half' Kurama Mode and "Complete Kurama Mode". Here is hokge Naruto’ movie "Chakra Mode". Here is hokge Naruto' anime Kurama Mode. Yes, KCM looks different as he gets older. What is the point here exactly?

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

All this evidence proves the involvement a single Biju, kurama. Naruto speaks only to kurama on the Biju psyche plane(multiple times), Momoshiki senses only Kurama inside naruto, and we also know momoshiki extracted chakra from only Kurama@4:40. I even shared a translation for the last guidebook about the form he used. Tiny, undetectable amounts of tailed beast chakra can be left within a person and that it can be used to maintain a connection.(chapters 644 and 649)

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

It confirms that Naruto' war arc ksm and his ksm shown in the last are the same form. This definitively debunks his eyes being indicative of or exclusive to rsm. The eyes only tells us who is gathering the senjutsu. To recap, these are examples of only Kurama' power being used. Moving on. They are not the same form. The Last has the rings of toad Sage Mode.

Naruto is seen in the movie using Toad Sage Mode+Kurama Mode without gathering the natural energy himself.

These are all instances of Naruto using only Kurama for his cloak.

The databook established that the yellow Cross shaped pupils were SPSM.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Now let's look at rsm. Here naruto fist bumps biju and speaks on the biju psych plane, which is where he first aquires biju chakra other than Kurama. Fast forward to Naruto' and hagoromo' meeting, where among other things hagoromo states that Naruto has met multiple conditions required for the power he's about to receive. He didnt mention the Bijuu for nearly an entire chapter after this and never before this point.

Naruto also hadnt received the final bits of Shukkaku, Gyuki, and Yang Kurama for a whole chapter, so Hagoromo couldnt possibly have been refering to him having chakra of the 9 Bijuu.

He was referring to the events that would end the world.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

One of which he and Kurama agree on is having chakra from each Biju. He goes on to call them out by name, further recognizing their presence. Hagoromo and Kurama agreed that the prophicized end of the world had arrived.

The proficy was of a blond haired blue eyed boy who would play with the Tailed Beasts. Nothing about joining them together again.

Calling their name and recognizing their presence doesnt mean they were joining together again.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Naruto' former small amount of Biju chakra are greater than vestiges. By definition vestige means something is lost. Unless you about to claim that all Biju besides gyuki and kurama are lost, you must concede to the fact that the fragmented Biju chakra inside him is lost. What remains of them is a trace. This proves why they're function and usefulness has been reduced. Naruto can only communicate with them Gaara can with shukaku, and he barely proved capable of that. I recommend looking up the examples of small pieces and vestiges. Moving on Gonna ignore the fact that vestages doesnt necessarily mean something is completely gone? I literally provided the dictionary definition.

Naruto proved in the war arc that there can be tiny, untracable amounts of tailed beast chakra left within a person and that it can be used to maintain a connection.(chapters 644 and 649)

Naruto doesnt have enough to use for fighting but hes got enough that he is connected to them.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Ive already proven TSOs can and do replenish. That proof is in my previous responses. Your claims arent backed up by your sources. Obito never made more. Naruto never made more. Madara never made more. Please cite the chapters you believed this happened in.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Naruto' rikudo hand power required rikudo senjutsu for everything it did. I stated this already. Moving on. I quoted almost every entry from the databook about the hand seal and none of them say that it did the things you say. It was only said to be used for SP Chibaku Tensei.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote: You nailed it. Naruto was running and shown entering sage mode. It didnt show him entering Sage mode while running it showed him running in Sage Mode

Littlegen wrote: Then I'm calling it flat out wrong. Call it wrong all you want but the manga showed this too. (Ch 690)

Littlegen wrote:

There aren't other ways to create Chakra. Even between Sage Mode, Sage Transformation, and The Curse Mark, the origin is all the same, Natural Energy infusing with Chakra. These are all different ways to achieve Sagehood. The process by which Juugo becomes a Sage is different than the process Naruto uses to become a Sage and they have different properties to their abilities. Even Snake Sages and Toad Sages have different abilities even though they are both Sages.

Littlegen wrote:

And Kaguya's Chakra is the source of Six Paths Senjutsu. Except its not. Hagoromo and Hamura inherited 6 Paths Chakra and learned SP Senjutsu

Littlegen wrote:

Naruto doesn't collect Natural Energy to enter Six Paths Sage Mode. It is senjutsu. It needs Nature energy. Whether he gathers it or not is irrelevent because the manga showed and told us Kurama can gather it for him.

Littlegen wrote:

Madara who HAS Six Paths Chakra had taken Hashirama's Sage Chakra and did not enter Six Paths Sage Chakra. Because he never learned how to do it. Even Obito didnt have it either and he stole Sage chakra straight from Juubidara.

But Hagoromo had it after extracting the Juubi.

Littlegen wrote:

The only described way of attaining Six Paths Senjutsu is attaining the power of Kaguya or the Nine-Tailed Beasts. It tells Hamura and Hagoromo had before defeating Kaguya. Just because it is unexplained does not mean it is wrong.

CombatIQmatters wrote: @LegionZero

When half dead obito steals chakra from madara, obito gets a truth seeking orb and staff. Madara said that obito could accomplish this because he was once in "sage mode". So they were using ridoku sage mode, unless you have another way of interpreting that statement. That was Black Zetsu's body