Talk:Six Paths Technique

Error
I can't open the article. It just opens a blank page everytime I click it. Every other article's fine, though :/ ...oh, and my Talk page is broken the same way, too. Am I the only one with that problem? I cleared my cache already, but it doesn't work... It looks like this all the time... Seelentau 愛議 10:59, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's fine for me. Maybe you should try opening it in another browser. I know the blank page glitch happens sometimes but it shouldn't lank the entire page.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:06, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * When I'm not logged in, I can see the pages... Seelentau 愛議 11:29, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Confirmation please
If I understand this correctly, it should be like this, amirite? And why is the Pain Rikudō technique a related, but not a derived jutsu? Seelentau 愛議 11:29, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because the Six Paths of Pain consist in use the techniques of Rinnegan trough the corpses and the Six Paths Technique consist in use the techniques of the Rinnegan with user's own body. MaskedManMadara (talk) 17:34, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Six Paths of Pain would fall under the Outer Path, that's why it's not directly derived from this technique.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:46, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I made a little search in the two chapaters before answer that question, so at top of the two techniques mention the Other Path too because it made a confusion in my head, in the next time I'll read the page completly before answer any question, more things to learn by every mistake, :).--MaskedManMadara (talk) 18:02, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think Pain Rikudō was ever declared to be a technique, was it? That's why I (still) believe that it's actually the Gedō no Jutsu (mentioned by Naruto), which enables the user to control corpses with the Chakra transmitters, since that's actually a technique name. Pain Rikudō sounds more like a name for the six bodies, since Tobi also said that he created his own Pain Rikudō. Seelentau 愛議 18:24, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not too sure Seelentau. It would be that this is the Outer Path technique, but, at the same time there are other techniques that fall under the Outer Path. For now, the way we have it at least is clear-cut. So until we can get some databook confirmation, I can't really say.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 18:32, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't mean the Outer Path. In the German NP, I handled it like this: Gedō is one of the seven abilities granted by the Rikudō no Jutsu, while the Gedō no Jutsu and the Rinne Tensei are like sub-techniques of Gedō. So it's like Rinnegan => Rikudō no Jutsu => Gedō => Gedō no Jutsu and Rinne Tensei. I'm aware that this is highly speculative, but it's the best I could come up with, since we really don't know much about all this. Tobi's words about his own Pain Rikudō are speaking for my version of all this, too. Seelentau 愛議 18:39, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * So basically Six Paths of Pain would be changed to Outer Path Technique o.O? I know Kishimoto dispenses all the information but I feel a bit inclined to leave it as Six Paths of Pain at least for the time being, because technically, Naruto knows nothing of these abilities except for what Konan told him the Outer Path was.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 19:07, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yup. Well, do what you like, I'm just saying^^ Seelentau 愛議 19:22, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Actually my original intent was to add "other name" as "six paths technique" to "six paths of pain" (technique) since I think that's what it refers to, just Nagato named it differently due to his alias. But Cerez was too fast to write an article without further discussion, making it into a generic term for all Rinnegan powers. Madara told Obito to use chakra rod in "six paths technique" thus thought it's obvious. But again, that would mean Madara is the first user/creator of this "control corpses" concept, this happened before Nagato got pierced, so unlikely, unless it was a part of the plan all along... wasn't it? 0_o For the above convo: I bring a brand new issue that was hastily ignored and make the above's Seelentau's complication of things as concluded "_"
 * Pain Rikudou refers to Six Paths of Pain (corpses/characters)
 * Gedo no Jutsu is simply Six Paths of Pain (technique) that's a power delivered from Rinnegan's Outer Path, Naruto commonly uses nicknames for things and people, like "the Rubber Guy" being Dodai etc.

Kishimoto is complicating things and we know very little... as follows:
 * Madara created/summoned a chakra rod and told Obito to use it in the aforementioned technique... as of Cerez's version, why would he tell him to use a rod meant to control corpses in conjunction with all Rinnegan powers, makes no sense even more considering the latter didn't have such eyes back then.
 * The rods also are a mystery since we don't really know their source and origins. They apparently come from Ten-Tails/Gedo Statue and Madara just brought it down through Hashirama Clone's navel... but it seems these things sprouted from Obito's body as he got angry and used Wood Release.--Elveonora (talk) 21:51, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

First use
Another question^^ What's the reason for the debut chapter and episode? Shouldn't the debut be when a technique of the Rinnegan was first used? Seelentau 愛議 23:12, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

That would be sealing of a jinchuriky early in part II. I think, unless that doesn't count. EDIT: there's still a topic above to be concluded--Elveonora (talk) 23:17, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

question
Wouldn't it be better to remove the specific "paths" from character infoboxes and keep just this at it contains all of them? A way to save up some space and more logical--Elveonora (talk) 03:13, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be cluttering this page too much? Yatanogarasu (Talk) 03:30, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

No, I mean that "six paths technique" is enough in every Rinnegan user's infobox instead of listing "Deva, Asura etc."--Elveonora (talk) 13:48, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Though part of the same whole, each ability is its own ability. Besides, we have several techniques which are listed each under a different path. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:21, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Name
When was the name of this technique revealed? If so, I do not remember. --Axel Carrozzo (talk) 21:19, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

And one would thought that chapter references are pointless--Elveonora (talk) 21:49, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

It's About Time
It's about time we stop with the inconsistency and double-standard pit falls. Obito and Madara should be listed as the users of each and every path, like the Sage of the Six Paths. Before anyone chews my head off, lets review why.
 * The Sage has each path under his name due to the fact that he was said to have "Mastered the Rinnegan".

- That's plausible and a good reason to list him as a user right? But what about Madara and Obito?
 * Madara has actually said, himself, that he was goin to teach Obito the justu of the Six Paths.

- By that alone, they should be listed as users. If anything at all, he should at least be listed as a fellow user of the human path. Right? I mean, According to Madara, that jutsu was included in what was taught to Obito. So, I'm not getting the issue here. As far as I'm concerned, a character is listed as a user of a technique, if he has been shown to do it, be mentioned to have done it, or has said themselves that they can do it. Doesn't what Madara said, fit at least one of these criteria? Please, someone explain why they shouldn't be listed as users? Otherwise, it's about time we add them, and put an end to many discussions wars. KotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 19:27, July 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * True...Since from what we gathered the Six Paths Technique is the full package of the different technique...Obito and Madara should have the respective Paths listed as they are Rinnegan users...now in regards to the derived techniques i question that, as some may have been developed latter on by other users, but the Paths themselves should be listed as we did with the Sage. Darksusanoo (talk) 19:31, July 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, why yes, of course. Each derived tech. is a different story. I agree. Senju_Symbol.svgKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 19:39, July 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * This is getting really tiring...--Elveonora (talk) 23:20, July 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * True aswell...and yet a necessity apparently, so give your thoughts @Elve. Darksusanoo (talk) 23:56, July 27, 2013 (UTC)

The Sage is listed as a user of all six techniques because it was said they were his techniques. More times than no, there's this fixation for seeing things in a character's infobox that they've never actually used but because they have x we do y. If you want the double standards and what not to stop then here's the thing: don't just sit back and cry foul for the characters you obsess about every other day, create a forum and see if you can get some action of creation a standard/guidelines for when and how characters are listed as users of a technique. That helps the wikia in a much bigger way.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 15:20, July 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * In Obito's case i have my doubts, about Madara, i can only say that he deserves to be listed. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 15:21, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Created KotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 15:40, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Deva Path
Is there a reason why the Deva Path is not under the Related Jutsu section or is it just a hiccup by the wiki itself? --Questionaredude (talk) 04:29, December 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Because it's in the derived jutsu section. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:49, December 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * My mistake. That's what I meant, but it's not shown for me. --Questionaredude (talk) 17:05, December 26, 2013 (UTC)