Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180716193648/@comment-36006024-20180717204035

okay i do have to interject here, because Sasuke did use his sharingan to copy Lee's movements in order to set himself up to learn the Chidori, and even after getting up to close to the same speed as base Lee, naruto still out-sped him. So you cant say Kyubified naruto isn't fast and he was only able to follow and counter when he unlocked 3rd tomoe, therefore 2 tomoe couldn't keep up.

As for War-Time ranks? i don't think Chunin Obitio with sharingan would be classified as fodder... he is def stronger than most Konoha 11, and if you compare him to modern Ninja with similar ranks, then you're saying Iruka is stronger than him. as for Rin, she wasn't really showcased due to plot so for all we know she could've been a lot stronger than we perceived, but due to largely being a medical ninja, her combat skills weren't showcased.

All in all, this comes down to who can play the advantage. Kakashi was and is still considered a legendary ninja and his potential was highly regarded even when he was a kid, and Sasuke with his sharingan and cs1 buff is still strong enough to take on a kyuubified naruto.

But Im loving th debate, so far i can see its mostly in favor of Kakashi