Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-26636534-20190119133946

@Combat

You saying "concession accepted" on each point, doesn't help you. It doesn't hinder me that you are trying to decide for me, and certainly doesn't enhance your points. It brings it down actually.

It's even harder to understand you now as you use a different numbering system for these points. Do you really want a discussion? I shall stick with my numbering system.

Last time I checked, Hiruzen made 2 clones to defeat Orochimaru and edo Hashirama and edo Tobirama. So respectfully, you are missing the point and going against what is known. Again, you are confused about the effects of shadow clone and the usage of shadow clone. Interchanging those two is not correct.

1) Cherry picking Shikaku's statement to try and 'prove' something about Itachi doesn't help you. Neither is ignoring context. You have to look at everything and draw a conclusion from that.

2) You said Naruto had no increase in chakra control. The manga shows him learning the summoning technique, progressing in it, and Jiraiya removing the uneven seal. So dismantling your covert lies. Why do you need to do that in the first place?

3) You have not given me the proven mechanics of Tsukuyomi, yet you claim it's effects can be enhanced simply by adding more chakra. On this wiki we base things by their merits. You are assuming that more chakra means more power for Tsukuyomi and you want others to agree with you. So where is the evidence? If your only reference is the basis for genjutsu and ninjutsu, that is not enough.

Furthermore, your comparisons with particle style are not relevant enough to support your argument.

Accusing me of strawmanning now?? Jeez, we've come full circle now. I'm not straw-manning, since I'm not taking what you say and twisting it. I don't see the merits in that which you are claiming. Yet all the accusations, exaggerations, assumptions and yes, strawmanning YOU are making is quite insulting. So you should be grateful someone is still debating with you.

4) Straw-man tactic, expect more from you.

5) "Resetting" disturbed chakra is how you get out of genjutsu.

6) Tsunade not using genjutsu can be a number of factors, not just because she is not skilled in genjutsu as you are assuming. Again, I'm dodging your strawman tactic.

7) Sorted I guess.

8) You are assuming again. How do you know that Kakashi would struggle against Ephemeral? Give me proof. Sadly you have missed once again the point I made in my comparison with Nirvana usage and Ephemeral usage.

To your other tangents, I see you like to "decide" for other users and I, what our logic is and what our points must mean. Instead of actually looking at our points and trying to understand them. That I see is the root problem for all this misunderstanding.