Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20171028231750/@comment-27924662-20171103131143

Thekillman wrote: Nature energy doesn't exist for shits n giggles. It's real energy that exists in the world, and serves a real function. Ranging from the heat and work stored in air, heat stored in the earth, work stored in the flow of water, energy embedded in light. Without that energy, the world would be a cold dead rock. Emphasis on cold. Well Nature energy is available for shits n giggles. All that energy you are talking about is just solar energy. Nature energy is available for anyone to manipulate. Only those whose body can manipulate it can use it. (Sunlight is available for every one but only few organisms can use it. Rest depend on those who can use it.) Thekillman wrote: Sage Mode steals that energy to use it for your own gain, just as Sharingan can steal another's power, either figuratively via Jutsu or literally via Genjutsu. We can go 20 rounds about what is morally worse or whatever, but Sage Mode is by it's very definition not one's own power, it's literally, completely and without ambiguity external power. SM isn't stealing power. If madara wants he can use NE to no one is stopping him. Also Madara's MS manipulates "Local Time" and on your very basis than he shouldn't be allowed to use his dojutsu. Time is again Afterall limited commodity just like energy.. Thekillman wrote: Edo Tensei doesn't really require subjugation though. But that's not my point when people use Edo Tensei in fights. My point with Edo Tensei in versus debates is that it usually involves summoning people far more powerful than the summoner and so the debate isn't about the summoner, it's about the summoned. Typical examples are Orochimaru or Kabuto summoning Edo Madara or Edo Nagato. Typical example of another such summon Kurama. Has similar problems. It's chakra enhances a lot has too much brute force, tailed Beast bomb etc.

Thekillman wrote: Clones don't take that much energy. Even kakashi, perpetually known for his low chakra, can make clones and yet still use his Chidori. Hashirama also didn't use a jutsu for his finisher but a simple sword stab, so why exactly do you think he had a ton of chakra left?

Besides, Madara escaped death with Izanagi, so clearly he had chakra left (that he saved for Izanagi). We know that it costs a ton of chakra to cast. Well for starters Madara didn't use Izanagi to escape death. He had taught his eye like Itachi taught sasuke's eye amaterasu outside the time. So Madara did actually die before that izanagi activated. Perhaps you are right about chakra stuff but when madara was boasting about how he was still standing, From Hashirama's tone it felt like he still didn't want to kill him. Before he forces himself to kill madara later..