Talk:Six Paths Senjutsu

Naruto
There have been arguments if he still has it or not, but after watching The Last, it's more likely he doesn't. In the movie, he had to use Shadow Clones as trampolines to propel himself through the air, if he could fly, he would have done so. He doesn't fly anywhere in Gaiden either, he runs.--Elve Talk Page 09:27, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * Bump--Elve Talk Page 12:45, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * If he lost SPS we need some actual statment or confirmation that he lost it because unlike arm or eye this technique not so obvious thing(since it is turn off'ble), so until proven otherwise he has it. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 12:50, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Cross-shaped pupils with no Sage Mode pigmentation (Gaiden, Boruto trailer)?--JOA2012:52, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yet all his Jesus powers like TSB, Flight and Healing/Reviving are gone and so is the marking on his back.--Elve Talk Page 12:54, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * TSBs can be lost, as we know. The problem is that Six Paths Sage Mode – Naruto's version of Six Paths Senjutsu – is the cross-shaped pupils with no pigmentation around the eyes, as hinted by the latest databook. Not the markings on his back (for all we know, it just means that one has all the tailed beasts' chakras).--JOA2012:58, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

Not sure how literary it's supposed to be taken, but in the opening of The Last, the back thingy appears on Hagoromo after he becomes Jinchuuriki, it wasn't there before (can be seen in manga too when he and Hamura are battling mom, no back thingy) so yes, it probably has to do with the Tailed Beasts, but in that case... since it's gone... does that mean Naruto no longer has their chakras? I mean, no other Tailed Beast besides Kurama has been seen inside of Naruto post chapter 699.--Elve Talk Page 13:06, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe. People talk of Naruto's Chakra Mode in Gaiden as a Kurama-only Six Paths Sage Mode.--JOA2013:14, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * He doesn't seem to have any of the Six Paths Senjutsu powers in that form though. That would suggest pretty much what most people think (but Seel disagrees with) that chakras of all 9 Tailed Beasts are needed for Six Paths Senjutsu.--Elve Talk Page 13:24, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * If that's really the case, then I'm almost positive that chakra doesn't just disappear for good, they resurface eventually unlike the TSB's. Either way, on both fronts, Naruto would still have SPSM.--Mina [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] talk 13:33, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * One reason Naruto didn't use Six Paths Sage Mode in the last may be the fact the anime had yet to reach that point.--JOA2013:56, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * They kept Sasuke's Rinnegan, Kakasi is Hokage etc. not to mention they showed Kaguya and stuff.--Elve Talk Page 14:00, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

Right, forgot about that. But it's difficult to decide he lost SPST/M until he or someone else say it.--JOA2014:02, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

technique?
Did the databook really list this as one? Isn't Six Paths Senjutsu a brand of techniques, like Ninjutsu?--Elve Talk Page 00:13, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think the databook uses this term at all. Or at least, I can't remember... • Seelentau 愛 議 00:15, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

Nagato and Hamura
The Jin no Sho article about the Chibaku Tensei states that it is "a sealing technique invoked by those who manipulate the Rikudo Senjutsu". This is the first sentence, only after that it differs between the normal CT and the SPCT. Based on this, Nagato and Hamura are able to use Rikudo Senjutsu. Could you guys edit the articles accordingly? :3 • Seelentau 愛 議 09:30, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not sure about Nagato since he hasn't shown any signs of the SPS use, although I'd agree with Hamura's use because of him being shown with the TSBs in the movie. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 11:51, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, this would complicate things. Aside from Nagato, Sasuke would also be a user. Is there no other way the text can be interpreted? Because that sounds like the biggest nonsense to come out of that book yet.--BeyondRed (talk) 12:00, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't be the first mistake coming from that book... Also, to me it's more of two techniques sharing same pages, since both techniques and users are seperated with "/"(地爆天星/六道　地爆天星 and Nagato/Naruto, Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura). --JouXIII (talk) 12:33, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * I think we had this topic before or something similar.--Elve Talk Page 12:35, May 10, 2016 (UTC)


 * No @Seelentau if i remember correctly FF-Suzaku translation this line was about Six Paths Chibaku Tensei - wich means, this particular jutsu is from SPS, if my memory is correct then Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is not Dojutsu but SPS justu. Rage gtx (talk) 12:49, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * I found it here:

"Chibaku Tensei / Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" has a single entry, and lists "Nagato / Naruto and Sasuke, Hagoromo and Hamura" as its users. It's a kekkei genkai sealing jutsu.

Six Paths Chibaku Tensei is invoked when two users simultaneously touch their target with the "Yin" and "Yang" seals. It rips a giant chunk of earth up and turns it into a heavenly body, becoming the Prison of Six Paths (六道の獄 Rokudō no Goku) that can capture all things (万物捕, "banbutsuto"). It's a sealing jutsu that can be used by individuals who awaken Six Paths Senjutsu. "Chibaku Tensei" is the version that can be used by a single individual, while "Six Paths Chibaku Tensei" is a more powerful version that requires two individuals simultaneously combining the power of Yin and Yang. It turns the sealing target into a gravity core in the sky, which attracts chunks of earth that bury them alive. This forms a heavenly body in the sky that can act as a prison for even a tailed beast. The section in the bottom left describes how the moon was the result of Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, and that so much chakra was contained within that it turned into a gigantic sattelite. It also describes it as a giant sealing stone (封印石 "Fuinseki"), which implies that Kishimoto took some inspiration from those giant "sealing stones" you sometimes see -- the big boulders with the kanji inscribed on them, usually with the ceremonial ropes adoring them. - by FF-Suzaku from http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:150619  Rage gtx (talk) 12:52, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Whenever I do something like this, you can be sure that I checked every available translation/discussion beforehand. So yeah, what Suzaku did was paraphrase it, it's not a 1:1 translation. The first sentence of the main body (suzakun's third sentence) is 六道仙術を操る者だけが発動できる封印術. , which means A Sealing Technique only those who manipulate the Six Paths Senjutsu can invoke.. Only afterwards it says that two versions exists, the normal CT and the SPCT used by power of Yin and Yang owners. As for the separation of the users, that's true. Nagato is a user of CT, N&S and H&H are users of SPCT. But we knew that anyway. • Seelentau 愛 議 16:47, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * So Nagato, Hamura and Sasuke are users of SPS based on the databook's explanation of Chibaku Tensei? Ay dios, that's not going to sit well with some. XD So how much more info from the databook has been overlooked? 16:53, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. And no idea, but it will be released in June in Germany, Imma buy it and see if I can find anything interesting, then check the original for it. • Seelentau 愛 議 16:59, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Then I guess we seriously don't know what SPS is then. Because judging from the article, SPS is the transformation, but neither Sasuke or Nagato went through that transformation, yet apparently have SPS anyway. So isn't it clear that SPS isn't the transformation Naruto, Obito, Madara, Hagoromo and presumably Hamura went through, then? 17:22, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well there is still manga fact that Nagato don't have SPS - Preta path turned into frog from Naruto's Senchakra if Nagato had SPS(or anything with Senjutsu) that would not have happened. Rage gtx (talk) 17:24, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Why would Six Paths Senjutsu refer to the transformation? We have the term 'Six Paths Sage Mode' for that no? As far as the regular versions go, Senjutsu=techniques, Sage Mode=state. Logically, the same would apply to the Six Paths versions. D.Phoenix (talk) 05:02, May 12, 2016 (UTC)

@Tau, also, what would we do with the infobox pic? Since now, SPS apparently isn't the transformation itself, but the infobox implies so with it's picture... 17:30, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should hold on to avoid, some edit wars, this actually may be one of Databook slip-up since i sure that in manga Madara called Naruto power as SPS and counterparted it to Sasuke's Rinnegan, now whole his remark seems strange and poitless if Sasuke had both powers. Rage gtx (talk) 17:36, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

Nagato's path successfully absorbed all of Naruto's Senjutsu, only when Naruto started absorbing more Senjutsu, as much as her could did it turn the path into stone. Nagato was simply not able to deal with the sudden mass abundance of Senjutsu. Hamura having it is kind of not a shocker at all. Nagato having it is acceptable I guess. QuakingStar (talk) 18:21, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes but after that Nagato remarked that senjutsu seems quite dangerous power - as if he never had dealt with it. Now if he knew it all along this seems rather stupid Rage gtx (talk) 18:32, May 10, 2016 (UTC)

As stated, Madara said that Naruto got SPS while Sasuke Rinnegan. He didn't say Sasuke got both SPS and Rinnegan, while Naruto just SPS, not to mention Naruto was used to demonstrate SPS, not Sasuke.--Elve Talk Page 18:43, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Whenever I think things have settled, something like this shows up. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:27, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, even if the sentence only refers to the SPCT, it would still mean Sasuke and Hamura got it. • Seelentau 愛 議 09:16, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well in Sasuke/Naruto's case one who made Yin/Yang seal was Hagoromo, isn't it like when Konoha 11 used Naruto's rasengans? Rage gtx (talk) 09:19, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * I would say Hagoromo kinda gifted the technique to them, meaning they didn't have to be SPS users themselves to use it, the seals even disappeared afterwards and returned back to Hagoromo's palms.--Elve Talk Page 09:47, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * Does the databook article imply the Rinnegan is in any way responsible for the Six Paths variant? The shared page has the kekkei genkai classification, but that could refer to the Deva Path's variant. If the Six Paths version does require the Rinnegan and/or Six Paths Senjutsu, it could be reasoned that Hagoromo himself contributes both as he's the one who hands out the seals, or that Naruto contributes one and Sasuke the other. That would still imply that Hamura has senjutsu though, which really isn't far-fetched at all.--BeyondRed (talk) 10:42, May 11, 2016 (UTC)