Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34194151-20180917192532

The reason this all started is because of two things:

Confusion about sage transformation and sage mode. We have good arguments differentiating the two, but realistically I don't see the difference. The juubi itself was said to be living nature energy. It's true that you can use senjutsu chakra without necessarily being a sage, as in the case of orochimaru, but I think it's clear that at very least jugo's sage transformation ability is similiar enough to jiraiya's imperfect sage mode. So it's clear that being a TTJ gives you access to senjutsu, just by being absorbing the juuubi.

two, @LegionZero, The thing is juubi chakra is senjutsu chakra, so when I say it "leaks" I literally mean his ninetailed beasts could have been pooling the chakra into him a little at a time. So, yes I agree he was in SPSM when he saved guy, but the mode wasn't complete yet, once it was complete he got the full cloak plus truth seekers. Because hokage naruto probably lost most of the bijuu chakra, he is unable to enter SPSM.

@Hagoromo, you must at least concede to the yellow eye color that naruto had when he kicked the TSO. His eyes are normally orange when he is simply using KSM. But otherwise I still see reason in your argument.

@AsianReaper, the main point is that nine tailed beast chakra are needed for a complete RSM, whereas the traditional assumption is that SPSM is a separate mode altogether from the bijuu.