Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180916214517

JOA20 wrote Do you have any proof that Naruto gathered natural energy while moving, though? I see no SFXs that indicate he entered Sage Mode while running. Yes I do Naruto when he first entered sage mode gained rings around his eye. He did not use kurama to gather nature energy. Fast forward to the beginning of the 4th war(and the last movie) where he entered kurama mode and sage mode, and still doesn’t use kurama to gather senjutsu. Then there’s the two times he enters rsm(against madara and later against sasuke). Naruto is shown benefitting from not only senjutsu but juubi chakra. Naruto with cooperation from the 9 biju recreated juubi chakra, since the juubi itself gathered nature energy, it’s recreated chakra had to include that power as well. Out of the 9 biju, it was kurama who gathered that nature energy as proven during vote2. Both times Naruto entered rsm he did not gain rings around his eyes because he did not gather that energy himself. Fast forward to hokage Naruto he is shown multiple times entering sage mode and gaining eye rings, and entering ksm without eye rings. This proves that when he is the one gathering the nature energy rings appear, and that when he isn’t but kurama is gathering they don’t appear. I said this earlier also. Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote: As for boruto era, his design matches that of kcm Naruto and not of rsm Naruto. While you’re spot checking, be sure to look at a few key things. Staring with their backs. Whether their cloak activated or not, hokage Naruto’ back looks a lot like kcm naruto’, and nothing like rsm Naruto’. Same can be said about their stomachs(where the seal is), their shoulders and the backs of their hands. All of it makes hokage out to be using kcm or the equivalent since he now uses full kurama. But then there’s the eyes. Which is simply explained by the fact that just as Naruto can gather nature energy, so can the biju. Kurama proved this during naruto’ clash with Sasuke’ amped indra arrow. Right before the clash, Kurama gathered a massive amount of nature energy, ‘everything that’s available’. Which is far more than Naruto ever amassed at once on his own, yet he never gets those rings around his eyes. Hokage Naruto is simply doing the same thing. How do I know. Because hokage Naruto has used sage mode on its own, and the rings were present. Conclusion being if there are no rings around his eyes while Naruto is using senjutsu, it means that energy is being amassed by kurama. If there are rings present, Naruto himself is gathering the senjutsu. There you have it, you no longer have to cling to assumption that no rings around his eye automatically means rsm. It has been debunked.

Basically, naruto gathers less nature energy than kurama can and it still results in rings around his eyes, yet when kurama gathers massive amounts of nature energy at a time(like during vote2), Naruto’ sage mode won’t have rings. Hokage Naruto lack of rings around his eyes don’t indicate rsm, it indicates his cooperation with kurama. No more no less.

Naruto in that panel showed 0 cooperation with kurama, yet the ensuing pages shows when Naruto starts using kurama. Proving Naruto did gather the nature energy.

JOA20 wrote As for editing the Six Paths Sage Mode article: It was stated in more than just the novel. It was a requirement for madara’ and obito’ rikudo sagehood. It was stated by hagoromo that cooperation is true power, and he also recognized Naruto had the cooperation of all biju. There’s multiple references. JOA20 wrote It isn’t messy nor is it a new mode. I explained the difference in full. When in sage mode if there are rings by his eyes, then naruto is gathering the nature energy. If he isn’t gathering the nature energy there won’t be rings. There’s no reason to rely on his to indicate rikudo sagehood. We don’t do that for obito nor madara, there’s no reason to do that Naruto. Plus all the alleged times Naruto has used rsm after vote 2 has been all misconceptions. This was also proven throuought the course of the thread and in the OP.
 * The bit about one needing the nine tailed beasts' chakras for it is already mentioned here.
 * For the form itself, my main issue is the eyes. Sage Mode is when there's pigmentation around the eyes, so no pigmentation but cross pupils is SPSM, unless we want to make up a whole new mode (the eye color means little to me, seeing how the anime does things). For the different cloaks, it's so messy I don't even want to think about it.