Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-35971603-20181207110335

CombatIQmatters wrote: @Ninja of War

Sha no Sho, page 242. https://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Crow_Clone_Technique Furthermore, the crows will be enough to stun Orochimaru since the day it stunned Kabuto multiple times, despite being in Sage Mode, despite hashirama cells, despite all the ehnancements he had. Orochimaru has those same enchancements, so he is getting stunned too.

@Duviee I don't know how to make my arguments any more clear. I use feats to justify my arguments. You are now resorting to pseudo-fanboy accusations, meanwhile half of my arguments haven't been addressed up to now. Sage mode Kabuto clearly shut off his eye sight, so it wasn't the light. You should know that if you actually rewatched the whole fight. The whole reason Kabuto is immune to his white rage technique is because his cornea blocks out light, smh. The crows are S rank, period. Show me one other group of ninja animals that can perfectly stun a perfect sage.

Again, where are these mighty speed and reaction feats for konan that suggest she can compete with Itachi's justu speed? she got one shotted by one technique from Jiraiya which she failed to dodge, and she knows oil is the weakness of her paper technique. She also showed zero speed feats against Tobi. All she has shown is pseudo immortality, good intelligence feats, and incredible reserves, nothing speedwise. She has never shown the ability to be perpetually in paper form 24/7, there is always a part of her body that remains human, and that can be tagged by totsuka blade.

As for Muki Tensei, I have debunked this many times. Muki Tensei was an unorothodox a technique specific to Kabuto. Itachi had never seen it before, and it was clearly warping space if you read the manga. He was forced to analyze what was going on. Analysis slows down response time. He is also in a cave and there wasn't much room to dodge all the limestone. Secondly, there was a Sasuke there to worry about. All variables that orochimaru and his team can't replicate in this fight. Itachi now knows about the technique, and there isn't a Sasuke to worry about.

Now you are using headcanon. Itachi was not TRYING TO KILL KABUTO, smh. How many times did they say that throughout the fight that you supposedly rewatched? Why would he use a killing move against someone he isn't trying to kill?

Finally, about my simulation.

There is a difference in speed..... I don't know what to tell you. A fight starts anywhere from 5 feet to 30 feet away. I'll assume 30 feet because the OP did not give a starting distance. Orochimaru starts by summoning his edo tensei. Itachi sees the coffins and their interiors and he knows what's coming. He then has initiative to activate his complete body:susano'o, and prepare yakasa beads. Orochimaru is experienced enough to know that projectile is something he might want to block for his teammates. So he summons his 3 rashomon gates. Itachi plans ahead when he fights though. when the beads detonate. He is already making two crow clones. Crow clones are cheap and they are in character. Itachi always makes clones in his fights, so I'm certain he will do it here. Sick Itachi made a total 3 crow clones in the same day he fought naruto and sasuke, so no reason he can't make two of them in this fight.

I have already proved that Sage mode Kabuto and Kakashi cannot track itachi's clone formation speed/bodyflicker/substitution. For all intensive purposes, Itachi can instantly get behind all his opponents and leave a clone in his original place. The fact that his opponents are gonna be blinded by a smokescreen when he does this will make it impossible to track. and with a distance of 30 feet, getting behind them or getting into a hiding spot is child's play for Itachi. So again, This is the action itachi uses. The clones run toward Team orochimaru, and they are free to do whatever they want, and Itachi is more than fast enough to cover 30 feet in under a second. The clones are essentially suicide bombers, so they can use their top speed without any fear of tunnel vision. One clone goes to orochimaru, one goes to Kimimaro. Orochimaru and Kimimaro both counterattack, and they are both getting stunned by the crows, period. Itachi then rofl blitzes orochimaru with the blade. This attack sequence is something Itachi has already shown in the canon, so you can't say it's out of character for him to do so. Konan is free to chain an attack at the real Itachi at all this, but her paper bombs aren't getting through susano'o, I'm very sorry. Kimimaro regains his bearings and goes for his bracken dance, which itachi already expects him to do, because he has seen kimimaro's technique before and know it's the only thing that can potentially harm him while he is inside his susano'o. Itachi dodges them, jumps, then hops from bone. Konan comes to attack him again with paper bombs, creating more smokescreens, while kimimaro sneaks into his bones and tries to catch itachi off guard. At this point some of his crows will reform another clone which he can then substitute with under the cover of the smoke, while ITachi moves to another location. Itachi is forced to deactivate susano'o because of the strain, but that is no big deal. Konan and Kimimaro aren't sensor types, so they won't notice a thing when itachi swaps himself out again. So kimimaro sneaks up on itachi and stabs him, but it turned out to be a crow clone again, and kimimaro is stunned, yet again. Amaterasu from behind, gg. Then as I said, ITachi vs Konan in a 1v1 fight is something Itachi will win.

And in this whole fight, Itachi has used susano'o for at best a couple of minutes, only used three cheap crow clones, and one amaterasu. That is child's play to how many techniques he used during the day he fought hebi sasuke. He should have enough in the tank to finish konan.

So please, address my arguments while considering the feats I have presented before you claim that I'm using the standing still argument again. to the first Point you made. I'm not sure were i am utilizing "fan-boy psuedo Accustations" but okay. If you are inclined to believe that then go ahead. And as i expressed, half the things you are utilizing as feats arent impressive, Most atleast. Its like you dont read what i say at all? because all of your replications consummately ignore Core points in my expressions. "The whole reason Kabuto is immune to his white rage technique is because his cornea blocks out light" Huh? He's immune to it because its his assailment, he doesnt shoot it at himself lol. Unless you Worded something erroneous, i dont Understand what you're endeavoring to say. Withal, please show proof His corneas for whatever reason block light?.. Show me were its expressed they're S rank? i'm not saying your erroneous But i dont see it anywhere, Not to mention like i said in my anterior post an impotent teenager naruto channeled some chakra and ravaged most of them. A flash of light Would Stun anyone, by god please stop utilizing that as a feat. It could be a D ranked Evoking that explodes into a sizably voluminous light it would still stun people, it Stunning a sage and stunning a human are identically tantamount thing, You keep acting as if Sages have some kind of immunity to A blast of light ( similair to a flashbang) I've even said this afore but you say "His cornea" without a single shred of proof, just tada his cornea blocks light, Please bring proof.

To your point: "where are these mighty speed and reaction feats for konan that suggest she can compete with Itachi's justu haste?" I dont know, i was arguing for orochimaru for the most part, I didnt bring konan into much other then dodging via transformation into paper, but okay since you optate to bring her up. I dont ken, I dont care, my cognizance of konan is profoundly circumscribed. i dont believe striking a paper will suck in all of her papers, though i'm not sure, i will be peregrinating from this because i dont know much of konan, someone else can argue for her.

For the inorganic reanimation technique you brought up for your third verbalization. first off, kabuto even admonishes and verbalizes that the environment is what he will assail with lol, You accolade Itachi to be profoundly astute, Someone with even a modicum of encephalon would know attack with the enviorment designates.. attack with the eniorment. and about your point saying he was forfending sasuke, i know but thank you for telling me. If i recall corectly i cerebrate he engendered a sussano hand to block the assailment from hitting him. Please calm down, "Now you are utilizing headcanon. Itachi was not TRYING TO KILL KABUTO" I didnt express he was.. You've already expressed like four times that i'm utilizing headcanon when i'm not or saying i've Said things that i havent because you optate to confute things i say that you can't contravene. If you're not going to take this Seriously i wont respond, This is already as is a massive waste of time to bring up points and for you to go: "NO CROW CLONES SMOKE TOTSUKA BLADE, HEADCANON" those are all your points, So first off dont put words in my mouth, And dont express My Facts are headcanon, thanks a bunch! :). Withal i didnt say you were Doing a standing still argument someone else did, yet again putting words in my mouth; i simply said you're scripting a fight where everything goes well for him.

And to the component where you verbalize i dont respond to your "feats", yes.. Yes i do i have multiple times, you just opt to ignore it and shout that i'm saying headcanon. Meanwhile you respond to none of my things, i've brought up countless things and you just Go " itachi is too keenly intellective, or itachi is too expeditious".

additionally i'm not sure where this is gonna go? it doesnt seem akin to it'll ever end.

It'll be people Saying " orochimaru and his team will win because of etc" and people saying"itachi would win beacuse of etc" I read everything afore responding and by god 270+ messages of paragraph arguments where people can't come to a conclusion. This is marginally unavailingly futile i might not even respond anymore, Though i curiosity catches me i might. Though do not suspect me too- have a sublime time everyone

Also one quick addition, I'm not saying itachi could never win just that orochimaru has a slightly higher chance 6/10 or 7/10 of the times he'll win.