Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-28869806-20150525191639/@comment-734582-20150531122444

BlueLantern1995 wrote: That may have been true during the war but after that(The Last) he easily is Jonin level. He got where he is by pure, brute force alone. Brute force granted to him by Kurama. Without it, even Sage Mode would be off-limits. He adapted wonderfully and developed into a true Kage, sure. But without Kurama he would probably still be at the Academy trying to produce a (regular!) bunshin.

Rachin123 wrote: @Kill This was Kakashi the prodigy, Kakashi the genius I thought about it a bit. Kakashi is a bit of a special case, so please don't take this as some "you're wrong" moment. I simply want to share some insights.

Sage mode: This is probably the worst single jutsu in the history of Naruto. You need to stand still and can only sustain it for a short while. Every Sage User needs supporting jutsu to make any use of it. Considering the amount of Sages and Raijin users, it's likely Minato developed Sage mode before Raijin, before perfecting his battle tactic with Rasengan: a nigh-unstoppable split second combo that even brought down Tobi. Hashirama used his Wood Release for combined offense/defense with the Budda and Dragon, allowing him to stand still even in the midst of battle. Jiraiya did not bother with Sage Mode unless he could call forth the two toad sages to gather energy for him. He used what we can safely classify as an "ultimate summon" just to safely enter it. Kabuto used his research to circumvent the weaknesses. Naruto used Kage Bunshin and later Kurama to do this. For Kakashi and his tactics, Sage mode makes no sense whatsoever.

Sharingan: As with the above, it's clear that most ninja develop their style around a particular jutsu. The Raikage around their Lightning cloak, the First Hokage around wood style, the Second around Raijin, the Third did elemental battle augmented with Shadow Clones, the Fourth around Raijin, the Fifth was a special case (medical ninja). Kakashi lost his signature jutsu days before becoming Hokage so a special case (more on this later) and the Seventh developed everything around Kurama and the insane chakra power it provides. Not exclusive to kage: Sasuke developed everything around his Sharinga, Shikamaru around his shadow technique, and the list goes on.

Limited chakra: Kakashi's statement can be interpreted in multiple ways. Remember that he's talking to Naruto: as i mentioned above Naruto has a level of chakra that allows him to make dozens of clones (reducing individual chakra to a tenths or less) and yet still he can spam many of his most powerful jutsu. Compared to Naruto, many people would have "low chakra". I think analyzing Raikiri brings us further. After all, Sasuke could use Chidori ~3 times when he learned it. As time went by, Kakashi's chakra levels went up (remember when using Sharingan had him in bed for a week? yea he ends with spamming Kamui). Sharingan uses a lot of chakra for Kakashi (maybe because it already was a Mangekyou, it was worse?) but a "natural" like Sasuke seems to have no trouble. We saw Sasuke use Chidori to break through one of the series' Ultimate defences and harm Gaara. Raikiri is much stronger, so it's clearly a Jutsu that can bring down anyone. Even Kakuzu was taken by Raikiri, though he had backup hearts. If the Akatsuki, some of the mightiest Shinobi by any measure, can fall to it like that, it's clear that it's power is clearly worth it. furthermore, we never hear him complain about other jutsu, so maybe the Raikiri is simply a jutsu that requires immense chakra in stead of Kakashi having low chakra. Remember when Naruto could only use Rasenshuriken three times? To me, it seems his chakra levels are fairly normal for a fairly normal person, his signature abilities just require a crapton in exchange for an instant win. And his chakra levels have continuously increased from being bedridden for just using Sharingan a bit to being able to use Mangekyou and still stand after a long fight.

As to how he should fight now, there are a number of options already seen: Chidori-sword and senbon from Sasuke for instance. But by far the best solution would be Raijin like Minato. After all, Rasengan has problems not unlike Chidori: point blank instant finish jutsu. Naruto uses shadow clones, sage and kurama mode to land it but it's not necessarily the only solution. Minato uses Raijin to close the distance safely and land the jutsu past enemy defenses. He's a good sensor which explains how he keeps track of where he is. Maybe developing sensor abilities is all Kakashi needs to replace Sharingan? Furthermore, while fighting Obito he managed to pour Raikiri into a kunai. If throwing it maintains it's strength, he can simply project Raikiri over great distances.

Lastly, power of a Kage is a very subjective thing: Minato used a fast combo to defeat his enemies in stead of brute strength. Hiruzen used brute strength jutsu in stead of fast combos. It's clear that each has it's own strengths and weaknesses. Minato was shown transporting big objects with Raijin so that's the one exception, but i have my doubts that Tobirama or Tsunade would have the power to break the asteroid. Hell i don't think Minato has the power to break it, just to transport it. Besides, if Tsunade could break it, why didn't she? Sasuke has the power of the closest thing to an actual god there is, sure he can break it. It isn't even clear if someone like Hiruzen is strong enough to break it.

TLDR: Well i'm not sure how to TLDR it. so read it and give me an idea for a TLDR.

Also, apologies for the long post.