Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-26636534-20160104175459

Ravenlot 27 wrote: As I already stated, Itachi would do everything he can to stop the toads from completing the jutsu, and nothing suggests he cannot succed in this, anyway he must be trapped in genjutsu to be "surprised by it's power". My point exactly... Itachi is smart enough to make no prejudices about his opponents' abilities and speciality (unlike Nagato, he wasn't Jiraya's student + has some knowledge about senjutsu), although he always takes them into account too, and considering his experience in genjutsu, which exceeds the experience of any other character (probably, aside from Shisui) True, but he is a master of his genjutsu, visual and finger(?), there is no evidence that he has mastery of sound, touch, scent genjutsu. , as well as the skills, he'd find the way to prevent/resist the genjutsu. Haha, that statement is a bit unreasonable, this implies that no genjutsu would work on him which is not true. Besides, to use Toad Chant, at first, Jiraya has to activate his SM and summon Ma/Pa, during this time he's even more vunerable than in case above, so there's no guarantee he succeeds in this too. I do agree that the hardest part for Jiraiya would be to enter sage mode, but it is not impossible. Remember Jiraiya can make a shadow clone to summon them as well. I never said something like this, I'm just trying to emphasize the fact that Toad Chant use is not a oneshot defeat for him anyway, and at first it must be activated properly. It's hard to believe that during this time Itachi would raise his hands and surrender, as if he already lost any chance for victory. It's also hard to believe that while ma and pa cast the genjutsu, Jiraiya won't be able to dodge and block Itachi's attacks.

P.S. @Ravenlot 27, what are your thoughts about the intelligence that Jiraiya has on Itachi and how it would affect this fight?