Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-5273810-20150721161252/@comment-26773508-20150813121151

Minato 87 wrote: BlueLantern1995 wrote: As far as I'm concerned in Part 1 he was one of the weakest Jonin named, in the Village Hidden in the Leaves. Hahaha..., that means one of the weakest jonins is stronger than Zabuza. Ebisu, Genma, Kurenai, Asuma... can't think about Kakashi's power. Kakashi in P1 is one of strongest Konoha's jonins ever and Gaara is nothing for ninjas like Kakashi. P2 Kakashi with Kamui is certainly stronger than P2 Gaara. Kakashi will win against Gaara easily, but if Gaara transformed into Incomplete Shukaku, Kakashi would win in mid difficult fight. Do you really think that boy who has only Shadow Clones and Gamabunta can defeat Kakashi, and Gaara in his Incomplete form is weaker than that boy, if you think he can do this, then why Kakashi is Naruto's teacher. No one Genin in P1 can beat Kakashi. @BakumatsuWarrior P1 Guy isn't stronger than P1 Kakashi, because in P1 we didn't see Guy use Eight Gates technique. P2 Guy is much stronger than P2 Kakashi with Susanoo and Double Mangekyou. Only jonins who can defeat P1 Kakashi are P2 Guy, Minato jonin, Sakumo Hatake, Jiraiya. Well that depends on whether P1 Guy had mastered at least up to the seventh gate to use Hirudora (or Morning Tiger or whatever it's called). In all likelihood I think P1 Guy had mastered at least Hirudora. If he had then he stomps P1 Kakashi easily. I think the reason we don't see Guy using the Eight Gates in Part 1 is because of plot. I guess almost upto mid-Shippuden Kishi wanted to focus more on stunting Naruto's development by limiting him to Kage Bunshin and Rasengan, while giving lots of cool buffs to Sasuke. A jutsu such as Hirudora would have been too OP for Part 1. So Kishi saved the Seventh and Eight Gates techniques for part 2.