Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30830650-20170125144949/@comment-35622277-20170307041422

Kakashisologod wrote: While i am not working in the dirt like you XD.And u know what i find funny?Its that u think hag knows madaras abilitys better than madara.Baseless assumption.Please,u can check it on the internet and look at kishi talking about madara,hell u can also look at the page Itachi vs madara and @Princess brought that link.Also chakra lvl dosent really matter,i mean having more chakra dosent make somebody more powerfull.When hag stated that,it was 1 eyed madara without shinju trunk,3 eyed madara with shinju trunk is MUCH more powerfull.Do not compare those two versions of madara.Chapter 670 page 10 you say?Well thats only hag talking about himself and naruto saying how PS and nagato told him about him and u are telling me i am talking dirt XXDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD. So basically you have nothing to back up your claims, and that you possess the literary skills of a six year-old. You want me to look up an interview from Kishimoto for "proof"? It doesn't really matter what came out of his mouth - if it's not in the official source material, it's not there, period. You ask for "proof", and I've given them. I referenced the pages I got my reasoning from, which for some reason your "special" mind cannot comprehend, while all you bring is...well frankly speaking, nothing. I find it hilarious how you can accuse me of making baseless assumptions just because you lack the processing power for any type of critical thinking. Maybe you should understand what the words 'baseless' and 'assumption' actually mean first, and you'll see that it falls in line with what you've been putting out.

I never said that Hagoromo "knows" Madara's abilities better than Madara himself, I stated that he understands them better than Madara. Hagoromo has been the TTJ for longer than Madara has, so logically he would have a far more advanced understanding of the abilities a TTJ possesses. I mean, how could he not? They are both the same type of Jinchuuriki, so logically they should have roughly the same powers right?

To put this into context, what was the difference between the powers granted to Minato and Naruto when they were both the Jinchuuriki of Kurama? There wasn't any, they both showed the same abilities.

"Also chakra lvl dosent really matter,i mean having more chakra dosent make somebody more powerfull.", "3 eyed madara with shinju trunk is MUCH more powerfull."

Okay, so basically what you're saying is that TTJ Obito is at the same level of strength as TTJ Madara. Obito was missing both Kurama and Gyuki and had to make due with just portions of their chakra. It was made pretty clear that TTJ Madara was on another level compared to Obito, and all Madara had was 1.5 more TB. So you're wrong there.

Also, what does absorbing the Shinju tree actually do, exactly? Other than just reabsorbing the chakra from the tree, as well as the Rinne-Sharingan, what other powers does it give him? Care to explain? In fact, it wasn't even an actual god tree. It was just a portion of the Ten-Tails that Obito manifested because he lacked the Rinne-Sharingan, and was unaware of how to actually cast the genjutsu. So no, it didn't give him "extra" power, as it was supposed to be there from the beginning. Absorbing it just returns the portion of power split off back to the wielder.

Also, how does having the Rinne-Sharingan make Madara "much more" powerful exactly? Not from what we've have seen. The only abilities it had displayed was casting Infinite Tskuyomi, and Dimension Shifting. Both of which, we're countered by Naruto and Sasuke. Kakashisologod wrote: Still havent provided evidence that madara dosent know about his abilitys like hag does. Oh look here guys. He wants us to provide evidence, while he himself doesn't have any! THE IRONY!

While having Six Path's Senjutsu does give you ultimate understanding of all five nature transformations, it does not give you understanding of all of the abilities of a TTJ. Madara didn't know how to cast IS until the disembodied voice of Kaguya called out to him. Hagoromo has been around a lot longer, and he knows all the tricks, so Madara has no surprises. Madara was also unaware of the fact he could be sealed, so, yeah. He definitely doesn't know all of Hagoromo's abilities.