Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-3365837-20160805011327/@comment-25093611-20160809205942

SwordSlayer99 wrote: "he was equal to hashi in the timeskip "

Hashirma? You mean the guy that was so slow he couldn't see Obito move when he got bltized? And Madara is faster than Toneri and Toneri is >>> Obito....... Hashirama is slow compared to Obito, and Madara is quite faster than Obito. ups, i meant in the flashback, and later while being a edo tensei (and hashi was slower than minato but not by a large margin) so madara with eyes is on a similar lvl...

SwordSlayer99 wrote: ".at least he showed speed feats while kaguya doesnt have any..."

The speed feats that Madara scales to also scale to Kaguya lol.

why should it? kaguya is literally a totally different person, different memory, different chkra lvls, different abilitys, different body structure, everything is different so we cant say she scales to madara in terms of speed...

SwordSlayer99 wrote: Madara fought SPSM Naruto and Sasuke and so did Kaguya, with Kaguya showing better performance against them...Their is no proof that Madara is so much faster than Kaguya...... but madara had speed feats where he was comparable to them in terms of speed, kaguya always teleported and sasuke/naruto did come close to her several times... so it clearly shows that in terms of speed she was slower than them, therefore slower than madara (and therefore slower than guy)

SwordSlayer99 wrote: "taijutsu while kaguya never did..."

Well Naruto only started to use taijutsu whenever Kaguya had already used a MASSIVE amount of chakra. Kaguya stats are enchanced by chakra (Shown by when Kaguya who wasn't really exhusated tanked 9 of Naruto's biju Rasenshurikens without a scratch) but Kaguya who had just teleported a few times, got her hand ripped off.Naruto only blitzs a weakened Kaguya not when she had't used so much chakra... i cant remember a single time where kaguya ever showed to be actually faster than sasuke/naruto, she always teleported and had her immense ninjutsus but her own body is slow, reread the fight...

yes, she was keeping up with naruto in terms of reaction, during the entire fight she always spammed her ninjutsu attacks but i cant remember her moving around a lot... SwordSlayer99 wrote: "guy already proved that enough speed can bend space in the naruto-verse"

Gai speed isn't >>>>>> everyone else in the manga. 1 eyed Madara without the Shinju can see Gai bend space but a Kaguya who can fight and keep up with multitudes of SPSM Naruto clones in taijutsu is > 1 eyed Madara. madara recognizing the space bend does not mean he is as fast as guy... and as i said, no other character bend space via speed alone, so it is clear that nobody is as fast as guy... SwordSlayer99 wrote: Weakened Kaguya got blitzed and couldn't react to Naruto before her hand was ripped off, but 1 eyed Madara can literally SEE Gai bend space. see =/= being able to move that fast, i can see a arrow flying, im sure that i wont reach such speeds ever... SwordSlayer99 wrote: Unless your trying to tell me Madara is like 10x times faster than Kaguya, than Madara being able to see Gai bend space, but Kaguya can't see Bloodlusted SPSM Naruto bltizs and rip her hand off then that implies that Naruto was faster......... as i said, it doesnt need to be since your scaling is ignoring the fact that nobody did the same feat as guy, ergo they are not as fast, to boot, madara did move around adn was at similar speed, kaguya on the other hand always attacked with her ninjutsu while staying at one place only and only moving around thanks to her dimension-jutsu... SwordSlayer99 wrote: "kaguya wouldnt have been in trouble if she was actually faster than sasuke/naruto during their teens..."

Kaguya was actually keeping up with them and overwhelming them before she started to teleport everywhere. Kaguya teleporting takes an enormous amount of chakra, and the only time Naruto blitzed her was when she was weakened she was unable to use her jutsu due to overusage of her rinne-sharingan, but that doesnt mean her chakra was empthy, it is similar to sasukes teleportation, he could use it a lot more but his eye wont be able to keep up, but that doesnt mean his chakra is empthy..