Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-25531508-20140923043228/@comment-26302001-20140924013508

Hiruzen at 69 was a 3rd tier in stamina/chakra just like Kakashi was at 30, who at that time was in a hospital bed from using kamui what.. twice? and that was considered terribly pitiful compared to his prime, his own summoning AND orochimaru commented on how much weaker he was compared to his prime self. Orochimaru admitted he had no chance if Hiruzen was just 10 years younger. This was Oro with both arms and ready for war and ready to kill... and we still were never shown Hiruzen's prime abilities so why is everyone just adding their own assumptions as facts?? when the databooks and manga give us facts, we should go by them in most cases and the fact is Prime Hiruzen was the strongest kage ever.