Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180801175227/@comment-6769189-20180805075129

CombatIQmatters wrote:

@LegionZero, it depends. Tsunade's susano'o cracking punches and kicks can hurt Obito tanked headbutts from KCM and KCM2 Naruto.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Ohnoki enhanced Ayy busted a susano'o. With help from Mei's acid/lava.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

mei's lava can also melt, so Obito wouldn't appreciate getting hit by any of those, even with his durability. This can be a problem. We dont know how he effected by burning/melting. All i can say is he shrugged off KCM Rasengan

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Gaara's sand enhanced by ohnoki is also a problem What exactly does Ohnoki do to the sand?? That stuff is rather slow no matter what. He can avoid this stuff fairly easily.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

and Tsunade isn't completely outclassed in speed either, she needed comparable speeds in order to make their combination attacks against Madara work. But that said, I'm not sure anymore. Madara noted that she is slower than A. I have no doubts he can dodge her 90% of the time.

Also, Madara wasnt fighting seriously at all the entire fight.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Mostly because Obito's speed is confusing me. How do we know that bullet time was being used in their fight? Naruto was struggling to get by Raikage at first as well, and then his speed suddenly became that of a yellow blur when he finally was able to get by him. If naruto was always consistently capable of that speed in KCM form, raikage shouldn't have been able to block him in the first place. I'm kinda inexperienced with how shonen depicts speed though. I would think that naruto would be using his top speed against Obito as well given everything on the line... but it is kinda baffling. If I can get a better understanding of this, this can change alot of my perception. After showing he is capable of running circles around the raikage there is no reason not to use this speed to kill or escape someone who can touch him and pretty much end the world. Kakashi used a Raikiri kunai at one point and that wasnt fast enough. Guy had Gates open and that wasnt fast enough.