Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-25096344-20160709050959/@comment-27823212-20160713001752

AsianReaper wrote: @8gates I feel like we're not reading the same manga. The explosions were bigger. And I know Naruto and Sasuke's clash was wayyyyy bigger than anything from Madara and Hashirama because the explosion was so much bigger than the lake which was already so much bigger than the valley that Hashi and Madara carved. The lake isn't even close to the valley in terms of length. The lake is wider, but not longer. We can see this clearly this in chapter 697 during the explosion of Indra's arrow and Dual Rasenshuriken. This point doesn't even matter much since the size of the explosions are what's being compared here, not the lake to the valley.

4 mountain sized explosions took up the majority of the lake's length in Naruto & Sasuke's fight. The mere edge of the explosion from Hashirama & Madara's clash took up a sizable portion of the lake.

Hashirama & Madara's VOTE explosion=Entire valley+sizable portion of the lake.

Bijudama+Chidori=The lake

Hashirama and Madara's VOTE explosion are much bigger compared to the surrounding mountains than Bijudama+Chidori.

Also, Sasuke could just Chidori through the Mokuton. It's more likely however that Hashirama won't be able to react and shoot Mokuton in time. His thrust got stuck in Base Naruto's Shadow clone. Hashirama has shown the ability to form multiple Mokuton clones from his back simultaneously. One clone would shield from Chidori while the others attack or restrain Sasuke.

Minato's reflexes were barely enough to avoid A's attack, and he didn't even do that by moving. KCM Naruto did the same, and has gotten faster since. If Naruto's reflexes didn't allow him enough time to move, especially given his sensory abilities, Minato and Tobirama's reflexes won't allow them to teleport. Hell, eye-less Madara with inferior Senjutsu landed a hit decisive hit on Tobirama. Rinnegan Sasuke does it easily. Naruto did move. Even with the jutsu supported by a distraction, he turned around completely and put up his hand to guard.

Naruto's reflexes>Amenotejikara supported by diversion>Amenotejikara with no diversion.

Minato possesses the reflexes to react to 8th Gate Gai in his 5th step Evening elephant from a few feet away.

Sasuke was being dodged by Blind Madara casually. Shin easily grabbed his blade in cqc. Any of the Kages react to his movement with no effort. That can't even be contested. Minato & Tobirama sense his presence behind them and easily teleport away.

So basically Enma becomes Haku and takes the Chidori for Hiruzen? Okay, sure. but then Hiruzen is all alone and he just lost a faithful summon. Or Emna stays in staff form and manifests individual limbs as necessary to counter Sasuke when he appears behind Hiruzen.

Also, remember my earlier post. Naruto's Rasenshuriken can just halt Hashi's ability to even use chakra. That means he won't be able to heal or use large scale attacks. How is he going to hit Hashirama with Rasenshuriken? He was able to evade the explosion of Chou Odama Rasenshuriken even when it was only a few feet from making contact. Mokuton Hobi also blocks all of Naruto's Rasenshuriken.