Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34752936-20180221075521/@comment-6769189-20180307214352

Vladosaurus wrote: @LegionZero 3rd Raikage no where near 4th Raikage level in speed? Yeah ok, that statement is laughable...Sasuke with his base sharingan dodged the 4th Raikage at full speed, and Naruto in SM is EMS Sasuke level in terms of reaction, as seen in their fight vs TTJ Obito.

Naruto sent the Deva Path flying with just a kick. And you really want to talk strength feats against somebody who casually threw a giant Rhino summon 100 feet up in the air? I would really like to see Guy do that... And the Paths are not durable except for the Asura Path? Tell that to the Deva Path, will ya? And do it after you watch Deva Path vs 4-6 tails Naruto. And a rasengan is still a rasengan. It doesn't matter if it's Konohamaru the one who is using it. The rasengan is still an A Rank Jutsu. If being taken out by a rasengan is a bad feat, then 90% of the characters from the whole verse are trash, right? Keep in mind that it was a rasengan that took out the Deva path in the end, and as i said, go watch Tails Naruto vs Deva Path so you can have a justification of how durable the Deva Path was.

Sasuke never dodged Raikage's full speed. In fact, im fairly certain he never fought him at full speed.

Deva Path never took a direct hit from 4-6 Tailed Naruto.... Konahamaru's Rasengan is far smaller and less potent than Narutos. Base Part 1 Kabuto walked away from a normal sized Rasengan. Obito walked away from a KCM1 Rasengan. Kakashi would have killed Deva path twice with Raikiri. Pain's bodies are not durable in the slightest and get one-shotted fairly easily. A Base Rasengan finishing Pain is not a feat for the Rasengan, its actually further proving my point that without hax jutsu to protect Pain, the paths are not particularly durable.

Nashikeine wrote: @Rachin @Legion

3Raikage may not be as fast as fourth with full power, but the Raikage in general are fastest shinobi. it is the fact the manga portrays. Gai isnt close to their speed. The Raikage are some of the faster shinobi but not the fastest. 3rdRai has not been stated to be even relative to 4thRai. Until there are statements or feats to put 3rdRai up there with the likes of Minato, 4thRai, Tobirama, and Naruto then he isnt all that fast. In fact, KCM1 was necessary to dodge Full Speed 4thRai but not to evade 3rdRai just shows that he is significantly slower. Nashikeine wrote: @Rachin @Legion Hirudora doesnt have a clear description of how powerful it is. but it is clear that the likes of Ultra Big Ball Rasengan or Rasenshuriken are far more capable of overpowering it. Hirudora one shots Madara Full Body Susanoo. When has Rasenshurken or UBB Rasengan done that or destroyed something of a similar level??

Nashikeine wrote: the Konohamaru part... it was the RASENGAN. one of the strongest jutsu outside the realm of S-rank jutsu, jeez. A significantly smaller Rasengan from a significantly weaker character, in fact one of the weakest at the time being just a Genin, took out a Path of Pain. But they are suppose to be durable?

Nashikeine wrote: @Rachin

the dodge and attack of Naruto on Raikage was very impressive.

yes, he had it all planned out beforehand, but planning it and making it happen are two different things.

Naruto waited for the very last moment and had he misjudged the timing and his capabilites he would have been dead.

he acted, reacted and attacked in perfect coordination.

just because he preplanned it doesnt take out the awesomeness of it. You are treating this like Naruto did anything reflexively. He had time to prepare a Rasengan, rush at 3rdRai, and dodged and countered as one swift movement. It wasn't a situation where he realized 3rdRai was close, then dodged, then performed a Rasengan with precision all in the last second. This is why there isn't a speed feat here. Naruto the fact that Naruto executed a pre-formulated plan makes what he did the opposite of reacting.