Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34436445-20180627113230/@comment-31099706-20180628035423

Elveonora wrote: Just imagine Obito's potential after retaining both eyes, had he not died. Like DMS Kakashi but even stronger. Yeah, but are you counting the six paths chakra boost or just hashi cell boost? With the six paths chakra, Obito could power up Kakashi enough for Kakashi to make a perfect susanoo that probably was done by his skills and resolve considering it looked like his(even though it was ridiculous to start with)

Talking about Duel eyed Kamui without any hashi cell or six paths chakra boost would be interesting. I bet Obito could probably do the intangibility thing for less than two minutes at best, and with an intense rain of blood leaking from his eyes and the added strain to it. If he say, had the EMS of it, then he probably could easily do the feat he does with Hashi cells. Even better parhaps.

Vladosaurus wrote: I think shadow clones are also one of the more broken ability in the verse.shadow clones + huge chakra pool is pretty damn OP. Haha, yes. Time space jutsu, genjutsu, sealing jutsus, everything is easily countered with a few shadow clones and a tricky mind to that. Basically, if you have the tricky mind of Kakashi or Naruto, or are as chakra crazy as Naruto is, then shadow clones can be a veru broken jutsu. But the thing I would say, is that it's not exactly a user limited jutsu, as seeminly alot of people uses it with their own ways. Naruto owned this jutsu with his stamina and unpredictibility. And it's original use of using it for spying is also cool, like there are won't be any risks to the said user.

But the thing I don't get about it is, when the moment Kakshi explained the shadow clones more thoroughly, with explaining it to being able to gather intel and experience. I wondered about the experience of pain and death Naruto and any other user should have felt. It wouldn't be pleasent and it should by logic be a flaw of it, since shadow clones usually are set as dummys/baits for death traps/and death shots by the user go test hid opponent's power. That's why I thought characters like Kakashi still use Substitution jutsus. Well it's still a cool jutsu overall and a very broken one.

Vladosaurus wrote: The problem with ameno is that:


 * 1) It has limited range.
 * 2) It is quite costly. Sasuke can use it like 3 times and then he shuts his rinnegan and EMS down for a while. And also he doesn`t use teleportations back-to-back, so probably ameno also requires a short cool down after usage.

But unlike hiraijin for example, ameno doesn`t require prep time.And also being able to shift virtually anything in space is pretty OP. I also speculate that Sasuke`s space-time portal he uses to travel through dimensions is also a form of ameno. It is without shadow of a doubt one of the more broken abilities in the verse. I didn't mention the range considering it's range is fairly reaching the overall area of a battle stage. Like it's not limited to inches or anything, and it seemed Madara escaped it's range limit by flying out as quick as he can in his ten tails form. Considering Ameno is instant and it doesn't consider any pre-conditions before or during battle, the user can just catch the user before he/she can think of getting out of range.

And I actually like the cool down thing, and limited usage thing. It makes the jutsu less spammable. But it's quite odd for a teleportation jutsu with a limited range.

And yeah, I guess the dimension thing is a form of his ameno. He probably took the method from Obito or Kaguya.

Anyways, seeing that the user can easily send/place an object in the middle of his limited range, even if any object occuipies that space. Basically placing a sword in the middle of the opponents heart or head before he can even think to react. Makes it prettt much broken, even with it's limits.