Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180916195142

LegionZero wrote: Seel and some of the mods stand by Sage Transformation=Sage Mode, but none of the translation say it does. Translations done by Seel. [] The databooks also doesn’t outright state that curse mark transformation and sage transformation are the same, yet the manga does. What is established by both manga and databook is that sage transformation is reaching sagehood. The same holds true for rsm and ten tails coffin seal as CombatIQmatters just told you and as shown numerous times on this thread. In both cases of snake sage mode and rsm, acquiring the mode itself as well as the transformation achieves sagehood. Two methods to reaching the same power. While there are minor differences between the methods, they are negligible.

LegionZero wrote: The mechanics of Senjutsu and Tailed Beast cloaks are different. Senjutsu doesnt "leak" or have effects until properly balanced. Naruto cant gather SPS chakra while on the move. This was made clear when Kurama had to gather more for him in VOTE2. Naruto still using SPSM in Boruto despite using only KCM implies that the cloak from his fight with Madara is a seperate(but related) form/ability to SPSM I just wanna say for the nth time, Naruto Gaiden chapter 700+3 page 11 shows a running Naruto entering sage mode. Moving on.

You fail to realize that juubi gatheed nature energy the moment it was revived and many times after that, so it’s chakra logically already has that power in it. What that means is juubi chakra is rikudo sage chakra, as I keep telling you. Hagoromo did not gather nature energy before he gave chakra to Naruto and Sasuke. You also continue to revert back to previously debunked arguments. Naruto had the cooperation of the 9 biju who merged their chakra while kurama gathered nature energy to create enough juubi chakra allowing Naruto to both achieve rsm and show the standard hallmarks of rikudo sagehood, just as obito and madara had shown during the 4th war.

THE ONLY WAY to prove rikudo sagehood is with those hallmarks; them being 9 tomoes and rinnegan pattern on the back and the spawning of TSOs. Hokage Naruto has shown 0 proof of rikudo sagehood or of juubi chakra. You can’t possible suggest Naruto is using the juubi’ power when it’s proven several times over that he’s only has access to kurama chakra. Kurama alone wasn’t enough for madara nor obito nor hagoromo to achieve the juubi’ power. That’s why you are simply wrong. Kurama himself said the juubi is all biju chakra in one. That’s his own admittance of not having enough power alone to achieve the juubi’, debunking your claim yet again. Naruto’ rsm cloak has evidence of juubi power. It only resembles kurama cloak because kurama was the most prominent chakra, in volume, inside Naruto at the time. Naruto had only a finite portion of juubi’ chakra not the actual juubi. This is directly comparable to the gold and silver bros who had a finite phortion of kurama chakra and not actually kurama. With enough juubi chakra produced, Naruto gains powers of a juubi jinchuriki. That power allows him to enter rsm.

Stop claiming hokage Naruto’ use of rsm without the juubi’ power. Everyone knows that’s both wrong and impossible, including kurama. Either show actual evidence of rikudo sagehood or concede, again.