Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-1512913-20140725203756/@comment-2039297-20140727161057

Elveonora wrote: Glad you agree, JOA20, more or less. But why place Naruto above Ashura? And I really can't comprehend how can anyone think Naruto is stronger than Hashirama. Like not even close.

By, you know, reading the manga.

ItachiWasAHero wrote: Hashirama created the Valley of the end with PUNCHES from his technique. He also single handedly captured the tailed beasts. Minus the 6 paths power up, Hashirama would of still been stronger than Naruto all in all, because he would of easily suppressed the Jinchuriki chakra and Naruto is not the only master of Sage Mode. You also have to remember... every shinobi has a weakness and dif fighting style.. for example Shikamaru is able to beat someone with more chakra and strength than him with his intelligence and techniques but his stamina isn't great. Plus Naruto is the main character so he's got that protection anyways. But without plot protection, 8 extra bijuu and cheap ass 6 paths sage power up. Naruto/Sasuke would get beaten by Hashirama/Prime Hiruzen. Madara before wood release and rinnegan vs Sasuke before 6 paths power up.. now THAT would be a good fight to watch.

The problem is as far as we know, the punches were ALL that there was to that technique of Hashirama's.

JOA20 wrote: Indra and Asura are pretty hard to place since all we know is that they were Hagoromo's sons and disciples, that Indra could manifest a final stabilised Susanoo, and that Asura had a battle avatar similar to Naruto's Tailed Beast Mode. But I think Sasuke and Madara surpassed Indra since they gained the Rinnegan while their ancestor didn't; Madara at his peak still outclasses the current Sasuke. Asura's reincarnations? Hashirama had access to Sage Mode and could easily overpower Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan-wielding Madara and the Nine-Tails. Naruto may have gained the Six Paths Sage Technique and all the tailed beasts' unique abilities, but I fail to see him beating Hashirama one-on-one. Madara>Sasuke>Indra. Hashirama>Naruto>Asura.

"Madara at his peak" meaning what? As the Jubi's Jinchuriki, maybe. Otherwise, you're full of it.