Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31337598-20180202202814/@comment-734582-20180205065119

Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: a defeat is when u win. minato didn't win. he had to die. its totally different from kaguya's case. there was no sacrifice, or "terms" to be followed. A defeat is when you fail to accomplish your goals. A Victory is when you accomplish your goals. Whether you live or die is irrelevant. Hiruzen may have lost the battle, but his sacrifice won the war. Minato died, but he accomplished what he wanted, namely both stopping the Kyubi, ensuring it was still within Konoha's care while also nurturing a new Jinchuriki that may one day control it's power.

In those terms, it was a resounding success.

AsianReaper wrote: '''He didn't need to summon the Reaper. He could have just sealed all of Kurama back into Kushina with Eight Trigrams'''

I've said that 3 times before, but it doesn't seem to stick. He had no issues transferring Kurama to Naruto when he was an Edo, nor did he have any trouble sealing the remains in Naruto when he was alive. And as you mentioned, Kushina could've had the whole Biju resealed. So yea, i think it's fairly clear he could've sealed the whole of Kurama.

Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: no. I don't think u got what I meant. or they meant, btw. it basically says that out of all the sandaime KAGES from all villages, hiruzen was the strongest. this puts him above the 3rd raikage, and ohnoki. that's what I mean.... thanks vlad. finally someone on my side... I think.. not too sure just yet... The 3rd Raikage runs at people really fast. Ohnoki is strong, but also insanely fragile. What we've seen of Hiruzen, he has a whole arsenal of jutsu, virtually perfect control over 5 elements, battle intelligence etc. He's far better rounded than those other two. So yea, i see why Hiruzen was considered the strongest.