User talk:Dantman

Editor
Hi Dantman I am a new editor and very keen too, soo i am just requesting you to make me a sysop or rollback editor please thank you Ravendra275(Ravendra275 (talk) 16:07, March 14, 2014 (UTC))

Naruto Character Page: Indra
Hello Dantman

I need your help recently their been multiple edits regarding the Naruto character Indra's page. the details are a bit to lengthy to explain but the some of the users have came to an agreement on a specific speculation regarding the character Indra and have agreed to put into the article and pass it off as facts. this could mislead many fans that comes to read the website for reliable source and is ultimately breaking the policy. I already let them know that I was going to report them, I'm guessing one them has a position on here that allows him to lock articles to prevent other from changing the speculations within the articles. I have repeatly told them that what they where doing was wrong and that they need to provide a reference for their source. they claim that they didn't need to because everyone agreed to the speculation and it was their most logical conclusion to do so. I'm trying to do the right thing here and if there is anyway you could help It would be very appreciated.--Ankhael (talk) 20:25, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

input needed
Hi. I think this is a quite important topic, it revolves around the credibility of our articles. We shouldn't pass possibly non-canon colors as canon. Any opinion? Thanks in advance--Elveonora (talk) 13:07, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Handling vague age in infoboxes
Should just require a change to the regular express variables. Specifically the RegexAppend field. — S im A nt (Blog) 02:36, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * I did think of trimming the s but wouldn't that again be technically/semantically wrong because she is not exactly 30?
 * Wikia do have a Lua but I guess its not for 1.19...
 * On another note do you have any idea what might be causing the Semantic Forms error: backtrace limit exceeded during parsing! Please increase the value of pcre.backtrack-limitin the PHP settings error while form-editing?

Is that because of the size of our templates?~Ultimate Supreme  05:36, May 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah I guess it's wrong. The alternative since we don't actually have any by-age feature or filters is simply to drop the Age:: property when 30s is used.
 * That Lua extension is dead, the extension that runs lua on Wikipedia and other WMF wiki is Scribunto.
 * I'm not sure if that's because of the templates themselves. Considering what SF does that might actually be a case of SF using an inefficient backtracing regexp that has issues when large runs of actual content are used in a form value. Though I'm not certain.
 * ~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 06:09, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * UltiSup/Dantman, that error has been there for a quite a while (about August 4th 2013). I even reported it to Wikia but it has never been fixed. See here: User talk:Simant/Archive 10 --Speysider Talk Page 10:22, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Here's Wikia's reply to my question: "'We are very, very, very close to rolling out Lua (Scribunto) to the Wikia network. Stay tuned, we'll have announcements within two to three weeks.'" ~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 16:05, May 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry, this is the proper extension...--~Ultimate Supreme  14:44, May 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * And finally, its here--~Ultimate Supreme  14:55, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Re: rollback
I made the revert because we don't add duplicate links and because the same type of edit has been undone a great many times on the wiki by many other users: simply put, if the link is in the infobox and the article is short, we don't add another link as it is pointless. Another link is only added if the article is really long and there's been a gap since it was last linked, per the Manual of Style guidelines. I should have used an explained undo, but just clicked the Rollback button in error. --Speysider Talk Page 10:20, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

ShounenSuki
I understand why this user became a sysop: Suki was the main translator to this wiki. However, I cannot fathom why said user still continues to possess a sysop flag when the user has clearly left the wiki and has no intention of returning. Wouldn't it make more sense to remove Suki's sysop flag so that people don't go and ask the user questions expecting an answer they cannot get? I've spoken to a lot of people and they can't understand why Suki is still marked as a sysop either. --Speysider Talk Page 17:50, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Custodian
Hi Dantman. One of the main things that I do on the wiki is to move images to new file names where appropriate. The problem is that this leaves redirects that then need to be tagged for deletion and that could take a while. I believe Wikia has a custodian flag that provides the ability for a user to suppress redirect creation so I'm asking if it's possible that I could be given the "custodian" flag to suppress redirects. Thanks. [if any other sysop sees this, they can chime in] --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 13:28, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll drop a message to Snapper2 as he usually deletes most of the redirects left behind, and I'll also ask Ten Tailed Fox and UltimateSupreme as they also delete similar redirects. Thanks! --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 19:28, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * I just checked the list of flags available on the wiki, for some reason I cannot see any flag called Custodian at all. I checked another wiki and they seem to have custodian. Is this something that needs to be enabled by Wikia Staff specifically ? EDIT: I checked on Central Wiki, it does need to be created by wiki staff, so either yourself or another sysop will have to contact Wikia in order for this to actually happen. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 19:38, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Sysop Discussion thread moderation
Will do. I only deleted that neutral post and notified the admin because there was no valid reasoning. Like Foxie said, it isn't a popularity poll, (and like you said, you won't promote based on poll, there must be reasonings). I thought I was following what you and Foxie said. But I understand. And I think I did put my reasons there... I apologize for any misunderstading. • WindStar7125     20:28, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh ok :). I understand perfectly. Thanks! • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 20:34, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

Gadgets
The gadgets extension has been acting very weird lately. The gadgets suddenly stop working and the Gadget tab disappears from Prefs. So, it might be better to use Gadgets only for the non-essential stuff...

Since you have moved the VotesTally script to gadgets; wouldn't it make more sense to hide it by default (for users who choose to disable it)?--~Ultimate Supreme  13:08, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

'Grats
Why on earth have you just moved the VotesTally and ForumTags scripts to gadgets?! Seriously, put them back, you've just broken templates and defeated the whole point of the scripts in the first place, nor did you even ask a single person before moving them. Thanks for breaking everything for no reason at all. -_- --Sajuuk Talk Page 14:55, October 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree wholeheartedly. That move was pointless and now its preventing the wiki from operating whatsoever. You're more harm than good at this poor Daniel and it has to stop! I say we try hostile takeōvā #23. Honestly, do you read what you type? --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 15:20, October 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Edit: I looked and apparently you put them there and made them always load. The mere fact they're gadgets annoys me, they should not be gadgets at all and should always load in the Common.js, instead of being things anyone can disable and defeating their purpose. You should have discussed this with your community, because you actually violated a consensus on the forum tags script by moving it to a gadget and making it optional for users to use, especially as your edit to the votestally script now makes it easy for anyone to go and break a template. So please, revert your edits and discuss it with the community. --Sajuuk Talk Page 15:33, October 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * There is a page for it: Special:Preferences
 * However, the page keeps on breaking and makes it impossible for people to disable and enable gadgets for months and months at a time, it shouldn't be used.
 * If you must have this as a gadget, make it so ForumTags and VotesTally are enabled and cannot be disabled for any reason, they're key wiki scripts. --Sajuuk Talk Page 20:03, October 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * It does appear for me (on the Oasis skin), but usually for like one day before disappearing for months and months.
 * I think the gadgets feature is just for those scripts that can only be installed personally, which is why the forumtags and votestally scripts were put in the common.js for everyone, because they can be used site wide without violating the customisation policy. --Sajuuk Talk Page 20:22, October 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I looked on the dev wikia and found this, which we could just import, nullifying any reason for the local script we have.
 * The AcountNav script doesn't appear to be a violation of the customisation policy as far as I can tell, so I don't really know why that is a gadget at all.
 * The file renaming script isn't really used by many and those who do use it have it in their global.js or wikia.js files.
 * The script to filter the WikiActivity is probably not used by very many people and could just be a thread with the associated code that people can add to their personal js pages.
 * Overall, that and the fact Gadgets cannot really be accessed anywhere on Wikia sites that have it active, means we could just necessary things in the common.js, at least until Wikia fixes stuff (however, because Gadgets can be manually disabled by end users, I don't see them as a substitute for scripts that need to be loaded at all times for all users). --Sajuuk Talk Page 20:42, October 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * It's subjective what would be useful in a gadget.
 * On another note, are you able to come on the onsite chat? --Sajuuk Talk Page 21:22, October 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Alright, well I'll be on the chat for a little while if you wish to chat there. --Sajuuk Talk Page 21:26, October 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * "@_@ I need 3 test users just to test one piece of functionality. lol" < isn't that kind of a proof that I was right in the first place about the forumadmin right? :P --Sajuuk Talk Page 21:42, October 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * That's generally true. But wikia provides a special  which creates a properly formatted URL for use with ResourceLoader, performs sanity checks and provides user feedback. So, it actually loads all the scripts with RL(load.php). Our common.js import currently looks like this. So, using gadgets purely for optimization is useless.
 * SigReminder actually is non-essential. That's the reason it uses  and not  . The script was added when anons could still edit here and almost every post they made was unsigned. But recently it was giving some false positives and causing trouble to some regular users. So, I felt it best to move it to Gadgets (Though I did find the cause later).
 * Gadgets tab does appear in oasis. Its just on this wiki that it randomly disappears. The Avatar and Star Wars wiki don't seem to face this problem.--~Ultimate Supreme  05:20, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * I have been thinking of adding it using
 * Isn't Common.css loaded by RL as well? So, can't we just put that in it?--~Ultimate Supreme  06:11, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Chat
Hey, was wondering if you are available to come on the wiki chat? don't worry if you can't, but would really like to chat there :P --Sajuuk Talk Page 20:27, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Just as a note, it has been crashing lately so just be aware of that if you do come on chat. --Sajuuk Talk Page 20:34, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: forumadmin
Would that have a requirement for enabling the Message Walls feature? Or can it be checked without needing Message Walls enabled? Because, frankly, the idea of the forums works but it having to depend on Walls is kinda sucky. If you wish, we can chat about it on the wiki's chat room, if you have the time for that :P --Sajuuk Talk Page 21:26, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it's good to hear that Walls don't need to be enabled.
 * What about rollbacks though? They don't even have these specific rights and can edit anyone's posts anyway, do rollbacks get it passively by default?
 * I'll be in chat for about 30 mins tonight, if you want to chat there :P --Sajuuk Talk Page 21:45, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * That is indeed a very strange way of going about checking editing rights.
 * I really hope Wikia gets these forum rights sorted out and not dependent on the Message Walls feature, because it makes so little sense to depend on that. o.O
 * You should get involved in the forums development imo. :P
 * (I hope you didn't miss my chat room request above)
 * --Sajuuk Talk Page 21:54, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Archive
You might want to consider archiving your talkpage, as it has messages dating back to 2010 on it currently, making it pretty long (and I'm certain that its length is likely going to be violating the Wikia TOU for breaking wikia features [the bottom black bar doesn't pop out], plus usertags aren't updating [for personal js or local commons js], and the toc box doesn't expand) --Sajuuk Talk Page 12:56, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

New Sysop
I see you're still here. You have read all the threads carefully, I assume? Are you still deciding who will be a sysop? Just asking. • WindStar7125     22:53, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Decision
Before you make your decision on Speysider (Sajuuk), I just want to say again in my honest opinion he should stick with what he has now. He may make helpful edits and maintains the forums, but he does not at times approach or speak to others appropriately to be a sysop. And after how he spoke to Ultimate3, it proves he doesn't have the correct sysop attitude. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 01:35, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Says the person who is rude to just about everyone who doesn't get their own way. --Sajuuk Talk Page 08:18, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

By the way...
How is the ForumAdmin flag working out? I'd like for us mods to actually be ForumMods with the flag who are able to control the boisterousness of the forums (and close them if necessary) rather than just having the green markers to our names... Unfortunately, forums have become more of a thorn in our side rather than a valuable asset to the wiki... • WindStar7125     01:53, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * You're right, things like editing other's posts shouldn't be allowed to anyone but moderators. And Mods should be able to close threads that get out of hand as well, rather than wait on sysops to take action. And what exactly are those two groups? • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 04:31, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Cool. Not to sound impatient, but approximately how long would that take? • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 04:33, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd like to ask if the forum "admin" group (the one that will get the block rights) can also have MediaWiki page access? There is a mediawiki page that controls the forum policy page and I'd like to have access to edit that page (as well as the ForumChanges.js page) without requesting sysops to do so. --Sajuuk Talk Page 08:18, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * May I also be added to the ForumAdmin group? It would be great to help out Sajuuk manage the chaos on the forums. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 13:01, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * ^ I would agree with this, also I think that the forumadmin group should have the ability to grant both forumadmin and forummoderator, but forumadmin should also be able to remove forummoderator, but not forumadmin. --Sajuuk Talk Page 13:04, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Reply

 * "The rights to edit those two protected pages would be the protect right that lets you edit every protected page on the wiki, protect, unprotect, and edit every site-wide JS page on the wiki."
 * No, the MediaWiki pages are covered by the "editinterface" right, not the "editprotectedpages" right.
 * "JS permissions are also a dangerous thing to give out. Besides being easily broken, and having a potential for malicious insertion of malware or incompetent insertion of XSS vectors, they can be used to trick sysop accounts into using sysop powers."
 * Way over-dramatic, especially as forumadmin is very unlikely to be given to many people.
 * Honestly, if you trust people to block users, you can trust them not to be malicious with other things: otherwise, why bother granting block tools if you don't trust users with the forumadmin right?
 * Also, while I'm at it: will it include the boardedit right? That, I believe, is required to edit the forum boards. Also, if you can, please come onto chat. --Sajuuk Talk Page 20:09, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * "It only seems to work where cascading protection isn't used."
 * That would be pretty much every protected page on this wiki then, since cascading protection is pretty much not used here (if it is, I have never seen any such pages)
 * "I don't know how many people I'm going to be giving Forum Admin in the end, or what the variety of trust they have is."
 * I doubt very many people will have that, for the most part it'll be more like having a maximum of 2 users with forumadmin (at the start anyway) and a lot of people with forummoderator. From my perspective, since I'll probably be the only user with that flag, it will probably be my call to decide who gets forumadmin alongside myself anyway.
 * " is significantly different than trusting someone with the rights to insert malware, break the site such that the average sysop doesn't understand how to access the tools to undo it, and trick users with higher permissions into doing actions like rights grants that can only be undone by staff."
 * The chances of someone deliberately going out of their way to add javascript/jquery code to break the site is close to zero. There's almost no chance of it happening, I don't think there is any need to worry that anyone with the ability to add javascript code is literally going to start trying to get people's passwords or stuff like that.
 * I'll be on chat for next hour if you wish to talk more there. --Sajuuk Talk Page 20:51, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

rights
Cheers! It does seem you were right that boardedit does nothing. However, I noticed sysops cannot make people "forum admins". Is this temporary for now, or will it be added by Wikia?

If possible, may you come on the wiki chat so I can ask something in real time? --Sajuuk Talk Page 21:20, October 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Wikia generally tends to make mistakes when giving the rights. Similar happened on TES Mods wiki (I'm a sysop there) when I asked for a patroller group to be made, along with updates to rollback and sysop).
 * Also, since I'm the only forumadmin atm, will the overall decision for who gets it be my call, similarly like how becoming sysop is your call?
 * Also, last note: I'm guessing you don't want to come on Special:Chat? --Sajuuk Talk Page 21:48, October 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * What I was referring to is that, overall, even if the whole community says X should be Y, it's still your call whether to give Y to X (in this case Y = sysop, X = a user up for consideration).
 * Since most sysops are not going to be focusing on forums, whereas I will be, I will have more of an idea of who is more suitable for being Forum Admin (and by extension, Forum Mod) than most people, which is why I said what I did.
 * There's no point in people having the same tools as myself (forumadmin) if
 * I don't see them doing much forum admin stuff
 * They've not been a forum mod at any point
 * I don't have enough trust in them not to abuse the tools
 * Does that make somewhat sense now?
 * Also, on that note, I should point out that the only thing that I am missing in terms of tools for the forums is the ability to highlight threads, which I am going to assume comes from an actual right, as you can't highlight wall posts.
 * Regarding chat: that is understandable, but I find it easier to communicate with the chat than talkpages as of late. --Sajuuk Talk Page 22:19, October 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * That's fine. Highlighting is not a major thing: in fact, it's positively minor, as very few threads would be highlighted anyway :P
 * Two things I might as well ask: I understand that I have block tools for the forums. What happens in cases where I'm seeing obvious vandalism in mainspace and there are no sysops online? In cases like that, is it ok for me to use block as a temporary probationary measure? Same in cases where a user is deliberately violating mainspace policies and there aren't sysops online to deal with the issue and a user in such cases has been given a lot of warnings already about said policy violations?
 * Also, I looked back on the RfA for myself and noticed many users made claims that I did not edit the mainspace very much. I'll just drop this link to my mainspace contributions which make the claims of "not much mainspace" activity look weak and unfounded. While I agree I don't edit "every single day", I do edit very regularly within the mainspace, despite claims that forum activity is more important to me than the rest of the site.
 * Obviously changes nothing, but just thought I'd put this here as a note of interest. --Sajuuk Talk Page 09:47, October 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Alright. If, however, sysops aren't showing interest in an issue and are ignoring requests to get involved, can I give short probationary blocks? So as to avoid abusing the tools, I'm probably going to only block for 3 days maximum, to act as short probation blocks. In the case of blocking when nobody is around, it'll only be for a day max so that a sysop can see the block and check if it's valid.
 * One other thing: User:Snapper2's page is against Userpage policy. I pointed this out to TU3, who did delete the page. However, Snapper chose to recreate the page with virtually the same content that got it deleted in the first place, essentially trolling and wilfully breaking policy he is meant to be enforcing. I'd be appreciative if you could step in and point this out and delete his userpage again, requesting he actually follow the policy like every other user here. Thanks. --Sajuuk Talk Page 22:35, October 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * I also have another question to ask: will there be a later update to the forumadmin flag, where users with said flag can grant and revoke the forummod flag? It would make a lot of sense for such users to have this particular right, but I can understand if you don't want it that way just now. --Sajuuk Talk Page 09:03, October 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * I understand I'm overthinking it, but I want to ensure I don't end up being called out for supposedly "abusing" block tools, even when I'm using it legitimately. A fair few people on here seem to like to find reasons to get on my case unnecessarily, even when I'm doing things to help out the wiki.
 * I saw the highlight thing, I've already tried it out on a chapter discussion thread in the forums. :P
 * And in regards to userpages, the policy itself has only just re-iterated the original policy. I just don't think it's fair we enforce the userpage policy on everyone else, but Snapper just somehow gets to have a userpage that has no relevance to users as an editor. Considering TheUltimate3 deleted the userpage, citing the policy, Snapper proceeded to recreate it with no difference, essentially wilfully violating the policy. Is this someone that should be a sysop?
 * No offence to Snapper, but these days, I don't see him doing anything except complaining and going against policy quite a lot. This isn't someone that should be a sysop in my opinion, especially as other users I've spoken to agree that his userpage is against policy. I've had half a mind to tag it for deletion, but refrained from doing so for being called stupid or rude. --Sajuuk Talk Page 21:08, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Question
According to what I have heard from other rollbacks and sysops, users who are not moderators shouldn't be allowed to have the ability to remove others' posts. Yet they do anyway. I've heard that's a bug that Wikia is trying to fix so that only users with the rights of moderators and admins can remove and edit others' posts. Do you have any idea of the progress on that? Many thanks. :) • WindStar7125     21:51, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re: forum
I understand that I don't get to make decisions like that, but I had already discussed with many users before I ever got the flag and it was agreed by quite a lot of users to split up the boards, including other forum moderators and a sysop. So I didn't feel that making a discussion just to hear the exact same messages being posted was productive and was really a waste of time.

And I closed the announcement since it wasn't really something that needed discussion. Most announcement threads go off topic quite easily by users just making useless posts with no regard to the topic at hand. If a user wanted to raise an issue about the topic (which I couldn't see any chance of happening, since I don't see any complaints right now), they could let me know and I'd open the thread. However, since it was an urgent issue with the forums, I felt it necessary to simply split up the boards as soon as possible so that we could see what topics we were dealing with, but future issues will be discussed

You need to understand, however, that most of the forum community aren't interested in discussions and will just support everything that is made and most of the mainspace community aren't interested in the forums anyway, so a discussion would be quite redundant. In my opinion, with this forum community, I would prefer just to make changes since I have been trusted with these tools to make changes to the forums and I think a lot of the forum community can trust me to make the right judgement call.

Also, no offence, but "Forum Operator" will make no sense to many users and it will be just be confusing to people. Forum Admin makes a lot more sense to the community and will make it more likely people will actually ask me for assistance. --Sajuuk Talk Page 08:49, October 31, 2014 (UTC)