Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180907061606

LegionZero wrote: Yes, KCM looks different as he gets older. What is the point here exactly? My point is that Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote: these are examples of only Kurama' power being used. Moving on.

LegionZero wrote: Tiny, undetectable amounts of tailed beast chakra can be left within a person and that it can be used to maintain a connection.(chapters 644 and 649) You're only proving my point. The same chapter you cite debunks yourl. Everyone in the alliance was given a small amount of kurama chakra from Naruto. Each of those fragmented chakra shrunk down to functionless levels. This is the exact thing that happened to Naruto' 1-8 tails fragments. The kicker here is realizing how the alliance got those depleted chakras back functional levels; they relied on the actual biju. It was Naruto, who used the half of kurama inside minato', that delegated more chakra to  those 40 thousand fragments. None of the alliance was able to gain more kurama chakra on their own or without the help of kurama himself. So what makes you think Naruto can gain more 1-8 tails chakra on his own? He can't. Thinking that he can is both textbook insanity and contradictory to your own logic. Just like the alliance, Naruto' depleted vestiges must be replenished by actual biju or at the very least a larger fragment of their chakra. Since there's no canon support for this happening, those vestiges inside Naruto remain unusable and functionless just like the depleted kurama was inside the members of alliance.

LegionZero wrote: They are not the same form. The Last has the rings of toad Sage Mode. The hypocrisy is astounding. You are ready to claim that every image on the rsm databook page depicts Naruto in rsm but aren't able to do the same about ksm in the last guidebook. You must be allergic to consistency. Anyways, the translation of the last guidebook confirms that they are in fact the same mode. Now, you'd be directly contradicing canon if you claim otherwise.

LegionZero wrote:Naruto is seen in the movie using Toad Sage Mode+Kurama Mode without gathering the natural energy himself. Where's the proof of this claim?

LegionZero wrote: These are all instances of Naruto using only Kurama for his cloak. Bad argument kurama plays a part in literally all of Naruto' cloaks. He also has the ability to gather nature energy, there's no denying that. I was told not to LOL, but just know I didn't read that with a straight face. You saying that is no different from me saying all rasengans variants are ninjutsu.

LegionZero wrote: The databook established that the yellow Cross shaped pupils were SPSM. See I knew you were a hippocrate. Anyways, his eyes weren't specifically acknowledged or highlighted by the databook the way juubi'chakra was. This claim will never be more than that.

LegionZero wrote: He didnt mention the Bijuu for nearly an entire chapter after this and never before this point. You just cited 2 points in the manga that was 3 chapters apart, so whatever your point was here you're a worse example of it.

LegionZero wrote: Naruto also hadnt received the final bits of Shukkaku, Gyuki, and Yang Kurama for a whole chapter, so Hagoromo couldnt possibly have been refering to him having chakra of the 9 Bijuu. He was referring to the events that would end the world. You're wrong because the agreed prophecy didn't exclude 1, 8, or 9 tails.

LegionZero wrote: Hagoromo and Kurama agreed that the prophicized end of the world had arrived.

The proficy was of a blond haired blue eyed boy who would play with the Tailed Beasts. Nothing about joining them together again.

Calling their name and recognizing their presence doesnt mean they were joining together again. But they did and that was enough for both hagoromo and kurama to agreed that he fulfilled the prophecy and that's why you're wrong.

LegionZero wrote: Gonna ignore the fact that vestages doesnt necessarily mean something is completely gone? I literally provided the dictionary definition. I'm well aware of the other possible meanings of the word, but after the example you provided in those two cited chapters we both have a better understanding of what that word means in context. It just as I stated.

LegionZero wrote:Naruto proved in the war arc that there can be tiny, untracable amounts of tailed beast chakra left within a person and that it can be used to maintain a connection.(chapters 644 and 649) Which you know by now further proves me right since those depleted chakras were rejuvenated by a greater chakra which never canonically happened to Naruto.

LegionZero wrote:Naruto doesnt have enough to use for fighting but hes got enough that he is connected to them. Which is why they're called vestiges. I accept your concession.

LegionZero wrote: Your claims arent backed up by your sources. Obito never made more. Naruto never made more. Madara never made more. Please cite the chapters you believed this happened in. Madara' jinchuriki body was used to make more by hagoromo and kaguya. Obito made more

LegionZero wrote: I quoted almost every entry from the databook about the hand seal and none of them say that it did the things you say. It was only said to be used for SP Chibaku Tensei. It just so happen that each healing feat was done with the same hand that had the rikudo power on it, and the seal on guy's chest after Naruto placed that same hand there is just coincidence, just like Naruto' rinnegan awakening on the same side that he got his rikudo hand power right. It's all just meaningless coincidences.

LegionZero wrote: Call it wrong all you want but the manga showed this too. (Ch 690) Unless you are certain of how that happened, citing it does nothing for your claims.

LegionZero wrote: Except its not. Hagoromo and Hamura inherited 6 Paths Chakra and learned SP Senjutsu Evidence of Hamura having rikudo chakra is where? Why hasn't any of hamura' descendants awakened rinnegan? Where's the evidence either hamura or hagoromo awakening rikudo senjutsu without the juubi' chakra?

LegionZero wrote: It is senjutsu. It needs Nature energy. Whether he gathers it or not is irrelevent because the manga showed and told us Kurama can gather it for him. It is relevant since his appearance changes depending on who gathers that energy. Something you failed to grasp earlier in this response. Don't disregard facts because they inconvenience you.

LegionZero wrote: Because he never learned how to do it. Even Obito didnt have it either and he stole Sage chakra straight from Juubidara. In truth it's because you dont gain rikudo senjutsu from mixing rikudo chkra and senjutsu, but you rather formulate excuses that you aren't prepared to defend. Next you'll say every juubi jinchuriki specifically studied how to make rikudo senjutsu instead of admitting juubi' chakra is rikudo senjutsu.

LegionZero wrote: It tells Hamura and Hagoromo had before defeating Kaguya. Just because it is unexplained does not mean it is wrong. It does make you wrong. Your claims go unproven, you're guessing. There is no way to verify any claims you make without context evidence proof. Etc. We aren't here to believe you or give you the benefit of the doubt. Either you know what you're talking about and can cite source to confirm your claims or you don't and can't. Based on what we're seeing from you, you don't and can't.