Talk:Dekai

Appearance
Assuming the young man with slitted eyes in the original flashback and this guy are the same - and I generally assume they are - should that be noted in the trivia anywhere, given how little they look alike now?--LastationLover5000 (talk) 16:30, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Why do you think they look different? The only real difference is that his skin is darker than it is in chapter 122, probably because that's how the anime depicted him. His hair was a light color in chapter 122 and it's still light (white on the color pages) in the Gaiden. ~SnapperTo 17:13, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not assuming they look different, they do look different. But I am also still just assuming it's the same bloke.--LastationLover5000 (talk) 15:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Right, but I'm asking what difference(s) you think the article should point out. Is it just the skin tone and the hair or is there something else? ~SnapperTo 17:58, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Aye that's the crux of it.--LastationLover5000 (talk) 03:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It’s the same kid. The anime version only has him with the dark hair color. You seem to forget Kishi's art style wasn’t how it looks today back then. There weren’t any "black" characters back then. OmegaRasengan (talk) 22:07, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying it isn't the same kid LOL. I'm merely saying the difference in appearance is worth noting. That's it.--LastationLover5000 (talk) 15:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Second vs Third War debate
Since we are in an edit war over the events of the recent one shot being either taking place during the second or third world war, I seek consensus beyond me and the person I am edit warring with. Umishiru (talk) 16:49, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

it’s the 2nd Ninja war the 2nd ninja war starts when Sannin are 24 and mianto is 10 then Sannin fight hanzo at 27 and jiraiya Trains Ame 3 orphans for 3 years and leaves thm at 30 and returns to the leaf, mianto is 16.

the 3rd Shinobi war starts when mianto is 20, stated by Chiyo the 3rd shinobi war started 20 years ago she says this when Gaara at 16 was kidnapped and Kakashi at 30 helps rescue him, kakashi was 10 when 3rd ninja war started him and obito and Rin joined team Minato at 9 when mianto was 19 and the 3rd ninja war ended when mianto was 23 and kakashi was 13. Minato knew rasengan before the 3rd ninja war.

also you can tell this is the 2nd ninja war because of the outfits.

also we can see Asuma, Kurenai, Guy and obito and Kakashi in manga all except kakashi are still in academy. Guy graduated academy at 7 and Obito, Kurenai and Asuma graduated at 9, kurenai and Asuma are 1 year older than Guy, Obito and Kakashi.

Kakashi graduated academy at 5 and became chunin at 6.

likely kakashi is 6 and Genin during Manga and will be becoming chunin soon. he’s likely off duty which is why he isn’t wear head band.

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We don't know how old Minato was when the third war started or when his tutelage under Jiraiya started in reference to the wars. All we know is the length of the periods of peace between and after the three wars, but not how long those wars lasted. Also the leaf ninja aren't seen using green flak jaks until after the second war. We have stils from each war, so we can see a clear change between each of the three in terms of the leaf village at least. If we go by the anime, Suna was already pulled into the Third war during the Third's reign and they had to cut their search early for the third because of it. His death was not the cause, the cause was given as the nation's weakening which led to border skirmishes and that eventually blew up into the third war. Han & Roshi being out in the field lines up with them gaining fame for their ninjutsu styles and lines up with the villages using their jinchuriki outside their villages, given that war was described as a war of attrition, and given the use of child soldiers by kohona, linking back to a lack of sufficient personnel, that would underestanbly mean that Kakashi and crew graduated during the war and were forced too early out in the field as we can see how well the battle of Kannabi Bridge went.Umishiru (talk) 17:24, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

yes we do know what age he was. Chiyo states when Jakashi is 30 the 3rd war stated 20 years ago that makes Kakashi 10 and we know it ended when Kakashi was 13 and Minato 20, when the 3rd war started Minato at 20 fought Ay and Killer Bee.

Minato was 10 when the 2nd war started the Sannin were 24 the war was still going on when jiraiya left the Ame 3 orphans at 30 after training them for 3 years he returned to the leaf at 30 and Minato was 16 at this time.

this manga clearly takes place during the 2nd shinobi war again you can tell by the outfits.

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 * I would advise not using characters' graduation ages as proof, because the math has been shown before to not work. Focus on other evidence.
 * I personally find Tsunade's presence in the Gaiden curious. We know Dan died during the Second, and because of his death Tsunade couldn't continue working as a medic. Considering how bad Minato's wound was, I imagine healing him (because why else would she be there?) would have been difficult if it takes place after Dan's death.
 * For Umishiru, there are two styles of green flak jackets: one without pockets, seen during the deaths of Dan and Nagato's parents, and one with pockets, seen from the Third and onward. The Gaiden uses the version without pockets. ~SnapperTo 18:16, 17 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Dan and Nawaki died when Tsunade is 24, Tsunade fought Hanzo at 27 and doesn’t leave the village until after the 3rd ninja war, she leaves with Shizune.
 * if we look at ages from stated like jiraiya age teaching Ame 3 orphans and age he leaves also the age Chiyo states 3rd ninja war starts which we know Minato is 20 also in manga Kakashi states he was 6 when becoming chunin.
 * the 2nd war was still going on when Minato was 16 and Kakashi 6, jiraiya left Ame 3 orphans at 30 which the 2nd war was still going on.
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 * Most of these ages you're providing are never given in the series and the few that are don't align with each other very well. So stop using ages as arguments; use other evidence. ~SnapperTo 18:33, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Can't be the second war. Kakashi and Guy wouldn't have been born yet. Also, Kishimoto most likely intentionally chose the Iwa jinchuuriki because Konoha and Iwa were in most conflict during the Third War. Tsunade being there is probably just an inconsistency, just like how Kushina was somehow unable to leave the barrier in Konoha without being possessed by Kurama despite us knowing full well that Kushina was a kunoichi at some point, and was clearly shown at several times outside the village with no visible repercussions, such as like how Kumo abducted her as a genin. BerserkerPhantom (talk) 18:39, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The manga said the previous war. The previous war was the third. Kakashi's chunin exams were Kohona only leading to the fact that he and his cohort graduated and were genin during the war since you aren't inviting shinobi from other villages into yours when you are in a world wide war and don't need your up and coming talent assassinated. As for age & rank, that means nothing, Tenzo/Yamato graduated at 6 and became a chunin at the same age. This war probably started out like the previous, but active use of jinchuriki in the front lines could have worn down the man power of the villages hit over time. This leads to Kakashi & crew and other too young for war types to get pulled in by the time Kakashi becomes jonin because of their purported genius & the need for personnel. The mission he goes on turns the tide of war and it ends soon afterwards. As for the ages to war stuff, gonna need sources on that one. Kakashi graduated at 6 and became jonin at 12. That puts the length of the third at 6 years at minimum. Plenty of time for Han & Roshi to wreck havok and make Kohona desperate. That being said, I am gonna need some sources on the age to war rations you are using, mine are off the character info boxes.


 * You are right on the green being used as early the second, but I wonder if that is the anime taking creative license. Also it looks like Tsunade is wearing the classical grey armor of the era. Could also be that in that the leaf had two outfits for chunin and above to wear, the green jacket with scrolls for non-war use and the battle armor for war time. Given that Team 6 is switching to green battle armor, this could be a hint at the two styles merging, or if the leaf are having material & supply issues, along with the associated personnel issues during the third. Perhaps leaf shinobi were forced later in the war to use the green cloth with scroll inserts out of necessity & that became the standard all the way into the fourth. Given that we know that Kushina's village was destroyed at some point prior to this, where ever they got the materials for ninja armor from or whoever made them were either killed or cut off during the third war. Either way, the leaf seems to have abandoned armor by the end of the third. The fact that team 6 is still using ninja armor in this chap might indicate that we are seeing early into the third war.Umishiru (talk) 18:49, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

BerserkerPhantom the ages do work the 2nd Neji is war started when Minato was 10 and Sannin 24, Kakashi, Rin, Obito and Guy were born Asuma and Kurenai are 1 year older than Kakashi. Sannin fights Hanzo at 27, Minato is 13, Jiraiya teaches Ame 3 Orphans for 3 years leaves at 30 when Nagato is 10, Minato is 16 and Kakashi is 6, Asuma is 7, the 2nd shinbi war is still going on when jiraiya left the same 3 orphans. the 3rd ninja war starts when Minato is 20, Sannin 34, Kakashi 10, Asuma 11, the 3rd shinobi war ended when Sannin were 37, Mianto 23, Kakashi 13 and Asuma 14.

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the ages do work they have been said and shown because you disagree doesn’t mean it’s not true, it’s a fact.

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 * Fourth databook gives Kakashi and Obito's ages as 31, meaning they're the same age. Kakashi's chunin promotion age is given as 6, Obito's Academy graduation age is given as 9. Chapter 599 shows that Obito and Kakashi were already teammates when Kakashi became chunin. Therefore, the ages don't work; use other evidence. ~SnapperTo 18:50, 17 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Let's address another elephant in the room: Tsunade. We know she developed Hemophobia after her brother & Dan's death, and this would prompt her retirement as a shinobi with her leaving the village with Shizune. The thing is we don't know when she actually left the village, adn we knew she took Shizune with her. Shizune is the same age as Kakashi, so either Shizune & Kakashi were born & in the academy during the second and Tsunade ran off after this chapter(Which would mean Dan is still alive during this Minato Gaiden chapter) or Tsunade's hemophobia developed slowly over time and wasn't 100% afraid of blood by the third war and functional enough to do surgery.


 * It's possible she came back to the village and snatched up Shizune, but her inclusion here either suggests we are still in the second war or her hemophobia was still in check enough by the third, and at some point left with Shizune later on. Depending on the period of peace between the second & third wars, if we are saying second, then Kakashi & Shizune should be much older than 31 by shippuden.Umishiru (talk) 19:12, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Umishiru it’s stated Dan and Nawaki died when Tsunade was 24 which was when the 2nd shinobi war started, Tsunade fights Hanzo at 27 and is scene in Minato one shot which is before Minato is 20, jiraiya returns to leaf after training Ame 3 orphans for 3 years he returns to lead at 30 which war is still going on Minato is 16, Minato is 16-18 during manga likely 16 because of it took 3 years and 6 months or so to perfect Rasengan which is stated so the manga he’s likely 16. Tsunade doesn’t leave village until after the 3rd ninja war she leaves with Shizune after the 3rd ninja war ends, Shizune is still in academy she’s the same age as Asuma and Kurenai and she doesn’t become Chunin until she’s 13 and the 3rd ninja war ends when she’s 14, she leaves village with Tsunade when he’s Jonin likely they left when the war ended or the year after but before the 9 tail’s attack happened.

the age do work for one we know Rin and Obito didn’t pass the chunin exam when Kakashi did it was time of war they probably let academy students take chunin exam with there team even if they haven’t graduated yet.

it’s said Chuunin Selection Exam – The Changes of 24 Years

The academy was established as an excellent shinobi training institution during the Second Hokage’s era.

That facility’s symbolic system surely is the Chunin Selection Exams.

Although it’s a test to discover those who’re capable to work as platoon leaders, the contents sometimes reflect the nature of that era and come to change.

Recently, the abilities to collect information and assessing the situation as essential qualities of a Chunin have also become big subjects of evaluation.

However, it was in the middle of the Ninja World War during Kakashi and the others’ era that increasing the fighting strength was more important.

At that time, it was a “training method” to force young people onto the battlefield to master the necessary abilities as a captain in combat.

Second Test – The second exam was largely different from the current one. It was a direct combat of three vs. three.

Third Test – During Kakashi’s era, the third test was a one vs. one fight to test the individual combat abilities.

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 * All age-based arguments will be disregarded because the wiki cannot use them as reliable sources. You are wasting your time by continually using them as evidence. ~SnapperTo 19:04, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

you’re so dumb I can’t believe you actually think the Minato one shot Naruto Gaiden: The whorl Within the Spiral, is during the 3rd ninja war haha, when it’s the 2nd ninja war.

jiraiya is even wearing is 2nd ninja war outfit and minato is wearing a different outfit from his 3rd ninja war outfit the Chunin vest he’s wearing is 2nd war the 3rd ninja war change the flak jacket I can’t even by this is a discussion, Minato is young this is before he’s 20 which is when it’s stated the 3rd ninja war stated in manga, team minsto is formed when he’s 19 year before war, Minato is 16-18 during this time, most likely 16.

it took minato 3 years and 6 months or so to perfect Rasengan which is stated if he started to develop it at 16 while the 2nd ninja war was still going on then the Jutsu would be perfect when he’s 19-20 which he teaches to Kakashi who then creates chidori and shows it of for the 1st time as a Jonin at 12 turning 13 that year and on that day obito is presumed dead and Kakashi gets sharigan.

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 * Don't go around calling people dumb. Either address the points they made or concede. Or wait for someone else in your corner to back you up.Umishiru (talk) 19:20, 17 July 2023 (UTC)


 * For the record, I think the Gaiden is set during the Second because of the points I raised in my first comment. Which means I agree with SilentWolfKills. And yet somehow, even despite agreeing with him, I find the ages he's throwing around completely worthless. Which is why he should stop bringing them up.
 * Realistically, I don't think the wiki can say confidently which war the Gaiden is set during, so I imagine the eventual compromise will be to not say one or the other. ~SnapperTo 19:34, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * True, we don't even know if a war is going on at this point. Could just be a skirmish or something. Maybe rather than posting the conflict under one of the wars, we could say something like "At some point in the past "insert person name here" & team six confronted Han & Roshi that led to them fleeing the battle or something like that. The biggest issue is the plot hole of Kushina losing control, but the fourth databook said she never did. Oh Kishi, you messy messy author.Umishiru (talk) 19:41, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Minato says on page 25 that they're in the middle of a war, but there's no clear sign of it being a world war. So the wiki may need to use, "During a war with Iwagakure ..." and leave it at that. ~SnapperTo 20:00, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the splash text (unfortunately not present in the official English translation) is meant to indicate it is a world war. As for the vests, I think it could just be a transition betwixt the armor seen during the second war and the more traditional armor seen later during the third war, such as when Minato fought the A-B Combo. Id est, I think it is just early during the war, showing a progression. Arcadia warlic (talk) 10:37, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The fact that the splash text says 'previous war' would indicate the Third War, as the most recent war we, the audience, have seen, is the Fourth. Additionally, the databooks state Han became renowned as a jinchūriki in the Third War, and here we see him, as a jinchūriki, on the front lines fighting. While I can't check this, I don't think Jiraiya even had his cel during the Second war.--LastationLover5000 (talk) 15:29, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The splash text in the Japanese does read 大戦 taisen which would indicate a world war. It also seems to indicate that it was the "previous" world war, which, for the reader, would be the Third. I find it hard to believe that Minato was 1) an adult during the Second World War, which would've been when Tobirama was Hokage, and then 2) barely aged at all through the Third Shinobi World War. Let's not forget that the databooks confirm he was 24 when he died. Just my two cents. — Lord Malon
 * Hiruzen was the Hokage during the second war, not Tobirama. It was also less than a decade before the third war, arguably, based on Yahiko's age. (I still think this is the third war, though).Arcadia warlic (talk) 00:54, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Hiruzen was Hokage during the Third War, but due to the splash text alone - reference the 'previous war', which, to us, the audience, is again, the Third World War - and the presence of Minato as a fully grown adult, with Han on the battlefield - which checks out with the Fourth databook as well - I'd say this is the Third War.--LastationLover5000 (talk) 03:21, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Jin no Sho never said that Han fought in the third war specifically, and given his age is not listed either, his presense is not really evidence for any specific war (though it is likely the third war regardless). Arcadia warlic (talk) 03:26, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

it’s not the 3rd ninja war it’s clearly the 2nd ninja war. Also Jiraiya did have his Cell/ team during the 2nd war the year the 2nd war started team jiraiya was formed when he was 24 and Minato was 10, Jiraiya fights hanzo at 27 and trains Ame 3 for 3 years and leaves them at 30 and returns to the leaf Minato is 16 the 2nd war is still going on. It took Minato 3 years and 6 months or so to perfect Rasengan, The 3rd ninja war didn’t start until Minato was 20, team minato was formed when he was 19, Minato taught Kakashi Rasengan which Kakashi tried to add lightning chakra to change the Rasengan’s nature but failed and instead created a change in nature jutsu Chidori which he shows off for the 1st time as Jonin at 12 turning 13 that year. The 3rd ninja war only lasted 3 years. This is the 2nd ninja war.

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 * Jiraiya was part of the Sannin during the second war, not Part Team 6. It is not known exactly when the war started, and whether or not Minato's usage of the Rasengan in this chapter is either him starting its development, or finishing it (id est, the three years have already passed). It is also not known exactly when Team Minato was formed. Minato did not have to teach Kakashi the Rasengan when the two were on the same team, either. Minato has known Kakashi since Sakumo had died.Arcadia warlic (talk) 06:29, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Arcadia Warlic, Team Jiraiya was Formed when Jiraiya was 24 and Minato 20, it’s stated the 2nd ninja war started when Jiraiya was 24, Jiraiya fought Hanzo at 27 met Nagato and taught Ame 3 for 3 years which he left then at 30 and Returned to leaf which Minato is 16 and the 2nd war is still going on. Minato got idea for Rasengan from Han and Roshi tailed beast bomb we can see he still has figured out which way it spin due to his hair but it spins in both directions, Jiraiya is with him when he sees Biju bomb, Minato is working on Rasengan he’s likely 16-18 this one shot manga is before 3rd ninja war, the one shot manga takes place near the end of the 2nd shinobi war. the 3rd shinobi war starts when Minato is 30 and is caused by 3rd Kazekage being kidnapped, team Minato is formed a year before the war when Minato is 19. Kakashi graduated the academy at 5 during the 2nd Ninja war, when Minato was 15.


 * It is not stated who exactly was the inspiration for the Rasengan. It could have been B instead of the two of them. Any are possible, but for the timeline:

Jiraiya died when he was 54, when Naruto was 16, so he was born 38 years before Naruto.

Minato died when he was 24, so he was born 24 years before Naruto was born.

Nagato died when he was 35, when Naruto was 16, so he was born 19 years before Naruto was born.

Yahiko died after Kakashi became jōnin, at age 12. Yahiko was 15. Kakashi became a jōnin one year before Naruto was born, so Yahiko was born 16 years before Naruto was born.

Tsunade met Dan during the Second Shinobi World War, 31 years before the end of Part II, as said in Jin no Sho, or 14 years before Naruto was born. Jiraiya was 24. Minato graduated when he was ten, or also 14 years before Naruto was born.

The fight with Hanzō was immediately before Nagato's training, which began 29 years before the end of Part II as said in Jin no Sho, so 12 years before Naruto was born. Jiraiya was 25-26, Minato is about 12, and Nagato is 7. Minato could have already graduated to chūnin at this point.

When Jiraiya returns, nine years before Naruto is born, it is not clear that the second war is even still ongoing, but Jiraiya would be 28-29, and Minato would be 15-16.

According to Jin no Sho, Minato faced the A-B combo 21 years before the end of Part II, or four years before Naruto was born. Minato is 19-20.

If Minato is 18, during the second war, as is being suggested, then the third war started almost immediately after the second war...

What is wrong with this just being a year before he meets the A-B combo? Arcadia warlic (talk) 07:20, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Nagato died when Naruto was 16 yes but he died the year Naruto was turning 17 just like jiraiya died at 54 but was turning 55 in Nov after the 4th ninja war. Minato was 13 when jiraiya at 27 started training 7 year old Nagato. this is 2nd shinobi war not 3rd. a year before A-B combo Minato was 19 he fights them at 20, at 19 team Minato team was formed. this is before he was 19, this is when Jiraiya returned to lead at 30 when Minato was 16 could be 16 or maybe 17 but he got Rasengan idea in one shot and it takes him 3 years and 6 months or so to master the Rasengan jutsu, it’s end of 2nd war he’s developing his new jutsu rasengan.

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 * It would still be 19 years before Naruto is born, and that does not change my point. Minato was already near the age that was being suggested whilst the third war was ongoing. It is suggested by Minato that he met the A-B combo later into the war, since he says the next time they meet, they will be Kage. So it is likely the war did not start 4 years before Naruto is born, it is possible it was 5 years, or when Minato is 18, which is within the age range that is being suggested... Arcadia warlic (talk) 07:30, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

the 3rd ninja war doesn’t start until Minato is 20, Minato encounters A-B combo at 20, minato at 19 before meeting A-B combo formed team Minato, he says well meet again as Kage cause it’s Ay’s goal to be Raikage after his father and it’s Minato’s goal and dream to be Hokage. It’s end of 2nd ninja war jiraiya leaves Ame 3 at 30 minsto is 26 the 2nd war is still going on it takes Minato 3 years and 6 months or so to perfect the Rasengan jutsu, he uses Rasengan during 3rd war which he teaches Kakashi which Kakashi tried to add his nature to it and failed and instead created his own change in nature jutsu chidori. Minato got idea for Rasengan during 2nd ninja war fight Han and Roshi and is developing the just and still trying to perfect it during the manga which is before the 3rd ninja war.

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 * It is not said when the third war started, beyond it being "more than 10" years before the end of Part I. Jin no Sho dates Minato's encounter with the A-B Combo to four years before Naruto's birth. He could very well have been nineteen when that happened.


 * Team Minato's formation is not relevant to the encounter with the A-B combo. Minato would not be taking his team with every mission he is on.


 * Minato says the next time they meet, they will be Kage, more so as an inevitability (indeed, Sandaime Raikage died later on, and A retreated from the battlefield).


 * That latter point is circular logic... If this was a year before he met the A-B Combo, during the start of the third war, he would still have four years until Naruto Gaiden in which to both perfect the Rasengan and teach it to Kakashi.Arcadia warlic (talk) 07:55, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

are you actually reading what you have said? You said manga could be a year before minsto met A-B combo which he was 20 when meetytjrm when 3rd war started so you said one shot manga could take place a year before that which it couldn’t because Minato 19 formed team minsto. Sasori left the sand village 20 years ago and dessert which he kidnapped and assassinated the 3rd Kazekage which is said when Kakashi was 30, 3rd ninja war start when he was 10 due to the 3rd Kazekage going missing the sand don’t think out until 20 years later that Sasori killed him.

Minato says next time we meet well be kage cause again it’s there goal later in Naruto manga we see shortly after this encounter Ay 3rd Raikage dies and Ay becomes the 4th Raikage later at the end of the war Minato is known as the hero of the 3rd war and is a hokage candidate which he becomes hokage at 23. It took Minato 3 years and 6 months or so to perfect Rasengan likely perfect it at 19 or 20 and started to develop it as a teen likely 16 when Jiraiya returned at 30 he could’ve been 17 but likely 16, but the one shot manga is definitely the 2nd ninja war not the 3rd this is the discussion, even look at the uniforms it’s 2nd ninja war uniforms not 3rd ninja war uniforms.

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 * His age is not given when he faces the A-B combo. It is deduced. 21 years before Part II is 4 years before Naruto is born, which is 20 years after Minato is born, so he would be 19-20 (his birthday that year might not have come). I reiterate Team Minato's formation is irrelevant to this as he would not be taking them to every single mission he is on.


 * Sandaime Kazekage died many years after Sasori left the village, and he is not the reason the Third Shinobi World War started. Sasori was still in Suna when the war began, it was during the Third Shinobi World War that he earned the epithet "Sasori of the Red Sand"...


 * I already showed how the Rasengan development would work just as well at the beginning of the third war... The armour seems to be a transition betwixt the second war armor and the third war jackets. Arcadia warlic (talk) 08:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

actually his age is given when Facing A-B combo it’s stated in 4th Databook 21 years ago Minato is 41 during 4th war Naruto is 17, 21 years ago minsto was 20. Minato’s birthday is in January. I go by year so even if it’s a character that you know there age what year you say that age for instance Jiraiya may have died at 54 but that year he was turning 55 he would still be 55 that year anyway doesn’t matter Minato’s birthday is January the start of the year. Sasori left and Killed 3rd Kazekage and yes it did, it’s mentioned in manga that the 3rd ninja war started due to the 3rd Kazekage going missing which we find out Sasori killed him, which was 20 years ago said when Kakashi was 30. the uniform is the 2nd ninja war uniform it’s the same as as Dan’s and other Shinboi the only thing similar to Minato’s 2nd war uniform and 3rd is the colour but one shot is 2nd war even the uniform is 2nd war.


 * 17-21 = -4


 * -24 + (-4) = ~20 (or 19 due to how ages). His age is not directly given...


 * The manga never said the Third Shinobi World were was caused by Sandaime Kazekage's death. A war was started, but not the Third Shinobi World War, since Sasori had already participated in that. I prefer to call it the Great Suna War. Additionally, it was not twenty years. Chiyo said it was over ten years. Twenty years was Sasori leaving from the village, which is seperate from Sandaime Kazekage's disappearce (>20 vs >10, clearly not the same event).


 * Dan's Flak Jacket did not have a collar, Minato's does. Jiraiya's armour also seems to be a bit different, such as his arm guards being a bit longer, and his shoulder guards being a bit shorter. Arcadia warlic (talk) 08:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

if you look at chapter 444 the leaf that killed Nagato’s parents are wear collar flak jackets also chapter 160 leaf ninja during 2nd ninja war if you look at flash backs during 2nd war you’ll see different designs.

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 * If they can have such variance, then how are they proof it is the second war to begin with... Arcadia warlic (talk) 08:48, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

you mentioned Sasori fought in 3rd ninja war I can’t find that reference, in 3rd Databook page 338 says he got the name Sasori red sand during the great shinobi war, he graduated academy at 7 which mianto was 12 and he became chunin at 8 which Minato was 13 which is during 2nd shinobi war, it’s stated he left when he was 15 and Chiyo states Rasa was in charge of Shukaku for all 3 of his children’s births so it suggests Rasa became Hokage before Temari was born which Temari was born when Sasori was 16 and he left village at 15, Rasa became Kazekage when the 3rd Kazekage went missing, in chapter 266 the sand council are talking about replacing the Gaara Kazekage because he’s been kidnapped the council say the 3rd Kazekage was also kidnapped at that time there was much speculation regarding his whereabouts the instability led to war entire countries were devastated. Not even ep319 filler doesn’t mention it being the 3rd ninja war there’s nothing in manga or Databooks stating 3rd ninja war even if it did it’s a filler. He graduated academy during 2nd ninja war and became chunin during 2nd ninja war, him kidnapping the 3rd Kazekage and killed him is what started the 3rd ninja war, it started cause 3rd kazekage went missing.

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how can you tell the difference between 2nd ninja war and 3rd ninja war uniforms you ask that’s easy, the 2nd ninja war uniforms don’t have the scroll pockets on the chest while the 3rd and 4th ninja war do.

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 * Sandaime Kazekage disappeared over 10 years before Part II. The Third Shinobi World War was over twenty years ago that this point (16 years after Naruto was born - 20 = 4 years before Naruto was born, or when Minato fought the A-B combo). If Sandaime Kazekage were missing before the Third Shinobi World War, then Chiyo would have said over 20, not over 10. Ergo, he went missing after the Third Shinobi World war had already started, and thus he could not have been the cause. Arcadia warlic (talk) 13:24, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

kakashi at 30 sand council says Kazekage was kidnapped which started the war go read the manga. 3rd war started 20 years ago caused by kazekage going missing. A-B combo fighting Minato he was 20 which the war started at 23 the 3rd war ended at 24 Naruto was born and he died. The kazekage wasn’t kidnapped during war as stated in manga him being started the war. what aren’t you understanding go read manga.

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 * It is never said that the war started by Sandaime Kazekage's disappearace was a great shinobi world war. Nor was it said to be twenty years ago. Chiyo said it was over ten years ago, so after the Third Shinobi World War started. This is not difficult to comprehend... Arcadia warlic (talk) 13:41, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh MY God literally in Chapter 266 the sand council are talking about replacing the Gaara Kazekage because he’s been kidnapped the council say the 3rd Kazekage was also kidnapped at that time there was much speculation regarding his whereabouts the instability led to war entire countries were devastated. I Can’t comprehend? You can’t comprehend I literally gave you a chapter and statement from chapter that the 3rd Kazekage was kidnapped which started the 3rd ninja was and yet you still say it was after the 3rd ninja war or you say during, like are you dumb is it hard for you to read and take in information?

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 * And literally in Chapter #267, Chiyo says Sandaime Kazekage disappeared over ten years ago, when the Third Shinobi World War started at least twenty years ago... That war is not mentioned to be the Third Shinobi World War, and it cannot be since the Third Shinobi World War had already started.


 * Can it not be comprehended when the unfounded hypothesis are clearly shot down? Truly difficult, it would seem. Arcadia warlic (talk) 15:30, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

are you high? There’s only 3 war before Gaara Kazekage rescue mission, the 3rd Kazekage going missing started the 3rd ninja war as stated in chapter you can’t be this oblivious. dude you can’t comprehend you stated previously that Sasori took part in the 3rd ninja war yet stated no where and it’s stated when 3rd Kazekage went missing it starred the 3rd Shinobi war. We know Sasori left 20 years ago, we know Chiyo states more than 10 years ago 3rd Kazekage went missing, we know know the council, we know the 4th Kazekage tried with 3 of his children to become jinjuriki Temari was born when Sasori was 16 and Kankuro was born when Sasori was 17 which Temari wasn’t compatible and either was Kankuro and then Rasa had Gaara which he was compatible and became the 1 tails jinjuriki, Sasori was 19, Rasa was Kazekage and tried to make all 3 kids when born jinjuriki, he became Kazekage when 3rd Kazekage went missing, The 3rd ninja war ended when Kakashi was 13 which Sasori was 18 and it’s stated Minato fought At and Bee at 20 which was during the 3rd war shortly after Ay’s father At the 3rd Raikage died there’s probably more to back up that when Sasori left he killed the 3rd Kazekage and 3rd ninja war started because of his disappearance.

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 * Not every war that ever occurs in the shinobi world is a Great Shinobi World War. Hence the designation "Great" for the ones that are. Due to the aforementioned timeline discrepancies, the Kazekage-caused war cannot be the Third Shinobi World War, since it had already started. The oblivsness is to what Chiyo said...


 * It was stated that Sasori took part in "the war" in Sha no Sho, and based on his timeline, the third war is most likely, and regardless, Sandaime disappeared after the third war had already started.


 * That explanation misses the fact that "more than 10 years ago", the war had already started, whilst Sandaime Kazekage was already in Suna... Arcadia warlic (talk) 16:15, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

OMg how thick are you how could the 3rd ninja war when before 3rd Kazekage went missing if him being missing started the war you are literally thick, there is no Kazekage was hahah am in tears how are you this dumb? The Kazekage going missing started the 3rd ninja war. Dude the 3rd Databook states Sasori got the name red sand in the great ninja war it doesn’t say 3rd I literally gave you statements earlier that it was the 2nd war he got the name not the 3rd, literally stop talking you don’t know what you’re talking.

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 * Likely because the war was not started because of him, and the Suna war is entirely unrelated, Sasori was too young to make such a name during the second war, and I am not the one who is making objective time-line errors... Arcadia warlic (talk) 16:33, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

again stated the 3rd war started because he was missing, how was he to Young? He graduated at 7 and became chunin at 8 the 2nd Shinobi war was still going on when he was 11, many shinobi’s have made a name for there self at a young age, Shisui, Kakashi,Itachi and others even the A-B combo was known and Bee was doing that at like 5 killing shinobi’s with Ay using it. there’s literally no point in talking to you it’s like talking to a brick wall, you’re a lost cause.

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 * No source ever said that he started the third war. A war was started because of him, but the third war had already started by that point (it started at least 4 years before Naruto was born, whilst the Suna war started around when Naruto was 6 [ten years before Part II].)


 * Because Sha no Sho just lists "the war" and it is most likely referring to the most recent war, which lines up with him leaving the village around that time. Arcadia warlic (talk) 16:43, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

what are you talking about? No war started when Naruto was 6. the sand council say 3rd Kazekage got kidnapped and a war broke out which Chiyos say he went missing more than 10 years ago she didn’t say 10 years ago it was the 3rd ninja war which Sasori dessert the village at 15, 20 years ago, he’s 11 when 2nd war is still going on, Rasa became Kazekage and tried to make Temari when born a jinjuriki she was compatible Sasori was 16 when she was bron he tied with Kankuro wasn’t compatible Sasori was 17 he tried with Gaara was compatible he became jinjuriki when Sasori was 19, Rasa the 4th Kazekage became Kazekage when 3rd Kazekage went missing, when Sasori left he kidnapped the 3rd Kazekage, Minato fought At and B during 3rd ninja war at 20. there where only 3 wars when Gaara got kidnapped, stop making wars up saying it’s Suna war 💀.

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sand council says the 3rd Kazekage went missing led to war, entires counties were devastated. It was a world war bunch of countries went to war it was the 3rd ninja war his kidnapping led to the 3rd ninja war.

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 * The Third Shinobi World War raged twenty years before Part II. Sandaime Kazekage's disappearance caused a war. He disappeared over ten years ago from Part II. Ergo, the war would have started around that time as well, ten years before Part II (after the Third Shinobi World War), or when Naruto was 6. Arcadia warlic (talk) 18:05, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

💀 you are stupid. There was no wars while Naruto was 0-12, only attacks that happened 9 tails when born and when he was 12 turning 13 sound and sand ninja attack the leaf. The Kazekage went missing start the 3rd ninja war. literally stopped talking

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 * Someone has never read about the background to the Hyūga Affair... Arcadia warlic (talk) 19:16, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

i did a war didn’t break out because the cloud wanted Hiashi’s body his brother Hizashi who killed the cloud ninja that tried to kidnap Hinata he gave his life to take his brothers place to die because there twins it would work for him to be his double and since he has the curse mark they couldn’t get any information on the Byakugan so because he died a war never broke out because he gave his life to prevent it and to save his brother.

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 * Not what I said... The background, what led up to it beforehand. Arcadia warlic (talk) 19:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

that’s like saying someone hasn’t read uchiha clan coup, the uchiha clan were going to do coup Hiruzen had plan to convince uchiha not to by getting Shisui and iatchi to convince them if didn’t work Shisui used MS but Danzo stop it and got his Anbu to poison Shisui and took his eye he escaped told itachi, gave him his eye and made him awakened MS, itachi had no choice but to kill clan a year later after shisui’s death itachi done uchiha massacre to prevent a civil war in the leaf and to prevent a ninja war because other nations would attack the leaf while they were weak fighting in a civil war with uchiha so itachi prevented it and obito helped him, who was going by Madara at that time.

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 * Continuing to show the ignorance of the background of the affair... Arcadia warlic (talk) 19:30, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

literally no point in talking to you.

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