Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20170822151908/@comment-5085906-20170824101212

@Hungry Ghost realm

@Hungry Ghost realm

It's all fine and dandy, but where are the manga panels that I asked? Here's Minato using body flicker to save Naruto whom he hadn't even touched up until this point. Here's Minato saving Kakashi then teleporting to an Iwa-nin before his backpack fell into the ground - notice Rin saying: "Sensei's shunshin...so fast" meaning it wasn't FTG. The only reason why he used FTG on Raikage and Bee is because his FTG enabled him to be more precise and appear directly behind Ay and Bee. And if we oughta take Zetsu's words at heart as you often do, here's him complaining that he can't keep up with Obito because he travels at the speed of light. Also, both Itachi and Obito kept up with KCM Naruto who was praised to have surpassed Minato in speed. But Obito has Kamui going for him, so he's faster.

And no, the statue drained the lifeforce of Nagato, but both Madara and Obito were seemingly able to summon it without any harmful side effects during the Fourth War. Also, I'm not even taking your 'Totsuka doesn't have a speed limit' faux feats in consideration as we've already established they're pure bullshit. I also don't see how Itachi can use taijutsu on an intangible Obito. And those three elite regular Sharingan Uchiha that Itachi fought may have as well been fodder, just like the 20 ANBU-nin that Obito slaughtered in a fit of rage.

And we'd rather not take novel feats into consideration, since it was established there that Itachi's academy scores were second to Minato's while Shisui, a shinobi that you said was faster than both Minato and Ay, was ambushed by an insect user. And some abilities are retconned there like Tsukuyomi which went from being able to expand a second in the manga to a fraction of that second in the novel.