Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20181031181855/@comment-36992754-20181112050252

LoneNinja wrote: @Flatzone

The only feat we need is Ay's statement of him being the fastest. We have proof he is the fastest prior to KCM Naruto. You can deny the statement all you want and the feat of not only his arm, body, throwing, and reaction speed easily moving faster than Absolute Ay (Minato was able to move his arm faster than Ay who needed just to move an inch while Minato made more than an inch's movement. Then he was able to change positions and thrust downwards before Ay could even react/move a foot forward). So a feat of outpacing Ay and a statement from Ay. Then him being faster than the Hokage with Shunshin, and a statement from Tobirama of him being superior with it. What more do we need?

But yes. Naruto and Sasuke are without a doubt faster than Minato. So I shown that Sage Mode Minato is slower than Jubi Madara. KCM Minato was also easily countered by Juubi Obito a few times. Sage Mode lasts for about one move worth of time for Minato, which is why it's weak for him. So it really isn't viable unless it's for a single attack, not a speed competition. Even then, at best he'd probably reach the Jubi Jin's level of speed. Naruto and Sasuke have already moved on from that speed. Sasuke in base was keeping up with Jubi Madara, now he has lightning augments that increase his speed further and is a dozen or two older and thus improved. Naruto has shown to be Sasuke's equal as they fought with Momoshiki and both were equal all around. Therefore, at Minato's best and that's a big maybe, he is at Jubi Jinchuriki speed. But that might even be a stretch to say. So I was right? And also, I don't think minato went sage mode when he attacked madara. I think he was disabled because both of his arms were missing in edo tensei and juubi madara was just op at that moment in time. Also, theoretically, minato sage mode stacked on top of KCM is at least just as fast, if not FASTER than Naruto at any stage.