Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-6769189-20180921192024

CombatIQmatters wrote: 1) Naruto and jiraiya had the same adverse effects for messing up. But they had differences in their apperance based on mastery of the technique. But Jiraiya was still capable of using senjutsu techniques. He still had an incomplete Sage Mode, not Sage Transformation which is the point im tryna make.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

2) Well Ameno and FTG have different methods but they both provide instantenous movement. Sage transformation and sage mode have different methods but both require nature energy from the enviroment and give users senjutsu techniques. The type of senjutsu chakra varies based on how the senjutsu chakra is moulded together imo, which depends on how you got to it. Snakes teach you to mould it one way, frogs another. Jugo's appearance has specifically to do with his own biology. Absorbing the juubi gives you six paths senjutsu which comes with it's own properties like SPS, but still senjutsu enhanced techniques. The juubi itself is made of nature energy so it serves as a source in this case Juugos appearance is due to Sage Transformation being different from Sage Mode.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

3) Let's say that hagoromo and hamura learned it. Then why doesn't hokage naruto's chakra cloak have the coffin seal and 9 tomoe, when madara referred to it as the same power he had. Naruto's Hokage cloak doesnt have the mark of the Tailed Beasts because he isnt using the chakra of all the Tailed Beast for his cloak. Its Kurama mode.

I also think you are taking his statement too literally because He also said he had Sasuke's power but Madara doesnt have tomoe in his Rinnegan. Its not a direct 1-1 comparison.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Madara had a ridoku sage transformation, naruto had ridoku sage mode. Different methods,slightly different attributes, but both had the truth seekers and the coffin seal + tomoe on the back. If naruto doesn't need the bijuu then his cloak should be exactly the same as in 4SWW. Following your logic further, hagoromo has that same cloak and TSO and coffin seal and tomoe if i remember correctly, and he didn't have the juubi. So, naruto's SPSM depends on the bijuu. The cloak needs all the Bijuu. SPSM does not.

Considering Hagoromo's appearence didnt change from before becoming a Juubichuriki, his "cloak" could have just been new clothes. He died without the Juubi so he shouldnt have either of those things in the afterlife. But he did.

The TSB are borderline irrelevant to the Juubi considering 2 characters have had them without the Juubi