Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-34194151-20181003222641

@loneninja

Nope. I did research and most people say that the rasenshuriken is hypersonic. Totsuka blade is faster than that. We already have been through this.

Sure, nagato conveniently lost his peripheral vision according to you. This is the lengths you go to downplay a clear speed feat lol. Nagato was stabbed in his chest. he got wtfblitzed, end of story.

Orochimaru also got wtfblitzed. I showed you crystal clear proof of the question mark that appears in his dialouge when he got stabbed. I clearly showed you that he was stabbed in between words. it's obvious itachi only needs a second to land that blade. Why should I take you seriously when you can't acknowledge a clear speed feat? me being wrong about izanagi is irrelevant, as I retracted it and showed that itachi simply didn't know enough about kamui.

@Princeharris Rashomon gates are irrelevant. Orochimaru sees the blade and bends down to summon the gates one second, and the next second he is stabbed by the totsuka blade as per canon. There is a clear difference in jutsu speed between the two. Nothing says the blade can't penetrate those walls either. Itachi can also simply run around the gates. Wrong, konan cannot turn into paper after being stabbed. orochimaru couldn't use oral rebirth after being stabbed or he would have done it last time. nagato couldn't use any more jutsu after being stabbed and kabuto even lost control over him. the totsuka blade clearly is a one shot finisher, no second chances.

Experience from previous counters goes both ways. orochimaru didn't suddenly gain anything new that would be able to deal with itachi. everything new that orochimaru has itachi has already seen. the best thing orochimaru has going for him is the genjutsu immunity in sage mode, which again is irrelevant because itachi has a whole lot more going on outside of genjutsu.

You also choose static scenarios for counters. You assume itachi would put oro in a regular genjutsu and not have any follow up attacks and just stand there and wait for konan and kimimaro to free orochimaru. This isn't shoten itachi vs team rescue gaara, where he was obviously jobbing and was missing 70 percent of his reserves. I already stated, he overlays attacks. he has faster jutsu speed. He puts oro in genjutsu, he spawns an exploding shadow clone in the blindspot of the others simultaenously just like he did to kakashi. orochimaru gets wtfblitzed by totsuka. the shadow clone can cast any jutsu itachi can, and once it outlives it's usefulness it can explode and create another opening. Konan and kimiaro can't match itachi's speed, their speed feats don't cut it. they will be able to get off a few attacks but again, katon and susano'o counters konan. kimimaro 's best hope is to launch his bone dance, which isn't finishing itachi since it's literally the only attack he has to worry about. itachi won't be distracted by anything orochimaru and konan can do because susano'o ignores almost all of it, and he can finish oro before his problematic jutsu come into play.