Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26822192-20200512085001/@comment-6769189-20200527002646

Frwt wrote:

I don't need to, since we don't know if actually all the fighters had the sharingan or not (and Sarada isn't just a random Uchiha) Point out one.

Sarada isnt even full Uchiha and the Sharingan takes a massive toll on her and she still got it because she got cought up in her feelings.

Frwt wrote:

You tring and dying in the process doesn't mean that you can get SM, it means that you can't, people needs to have a genetical predispotition for it, who would be a load of chakra and a strong body, it's not as specific as being an Uchiha to have the sharingan, in fact Uchiha can learn SM, but they still need the genetics that allows them to Who died from it?

Frwt wrote:

Yeah stab is worse, I meant it as the effect at the start who is blood that doesn't circulate, in both ways the circulation of blood is stopped Unlike with a heart attack, stabbing to the heart causes internal bleeding, not only is blood flow stopped. Either way it doesnt matter because Tsunade was stabbed through the heart and didnt immediately die or go into cardiac arrest. You just cant take the feat from her or downplay it. She was unnaffected by being stabbed in the heart

Frwt wrote:

Two exaples who don't add in the theory, it's the general senju who needs to have a lot of chakra not the special one that became kage, Hiruzen had likely more chakra than Tobirama giving his figthing style, but we don't say that the Sarutobi clan has more chakra than the Senju, do we? You would have a point if you could prove other Senju didnt have large reserves and that Hiruzen actually used more chakra

Frwt wrote:

I'm counting the jutsu, if Konan makes the hole she made it, ammassing paperboms is something Konan can do, nature enrgy isn't part of one own chakra but it's not like sage don't win and it's the tool nature energy who wins Power of the tool=/=power of the user. Literally anyone could gather a bunch of explosives and it will have the same effect. There is no skill involved and ones own power isnt used

Sage mode directly reflects the users power and skill.

Frwt wrote:

Gyuki says long ago It doesnt say how long before that and Gyuki doesmt even say he should have run out of his own chakra yet

Frwt wrote:

They are different, KCM2 let Naruto only 8 minutes (or 5?), while KCM lasted indefinitely and only came off when Naruto exausted the mode, the way you're saying it the time limit doesn't even make sense since Naruto just deactivated it and reactivated it just after, at this point he could just activate and deactivate it to regain the time, when he needs to actually wait for Kurama with KCM2 And he needs to wait between KCM uses. He dropped out of it constantly and had to take rest periods. This is stated and shown so dont even try to say KCM has no kind of time limit.

His arm was there in one piece The point of actual contact and literally everywhere else was fine so i dont really care why his prothetic, goopy hand was falling apart

Frwt wrote:

Well, ok maybe would work, but there is the problem below, Minato deides later to attack the moment Obito attacks Because his initial attacks failed due to their similarity in speed.

Frwt wrote:

An hole big as half of the rasengan is big enough Like i mentioned before, Minato hasnt done that kind of damage. He cant do it, plain and simple.

Frwt wrote:

I want to say the same how's supposed to carve if it's not pushed? It just stays there Carving is not grinding

Frwt wrote:

No why should the expansion have more piercing power then the initial trust? Rasengan doesnt pierce so it doesnt matter.

Frwt wrote:

Last part is wrong tho, you need a specific good body to get senjutsu and it's not even common A good body, which people typically have unless sick. Minato and Jiraiya weren't special in the sense that they didn't have extraordinary bodies. They were strong due to intellect and skill, not raw power or chakra reserves

Frwt wrote:

It's a genetic trait the body to get it, without it you can't get it, it's this simple Bodies can be trained to be strong. Minato and Jiraiya were basically average joe's physically

Frwt wrote:

They don't need to be stated to have good bodyes themselves if we know already that you need a good body to have SM My point is they are physically average. They are not stated to have extraordinary physical attributes

Frwt wrote:

and it's showed being uncommon by Oro not finding the right one Orochimaru's bodies die off every like, 4 years or something like that. No surprise the couldnt handle Sage Mode

...but wait, Orochimaru could still use Senjutsu and make Senjutsu chakra even if his body couldnt handle the physical transformation.

And the funniest part is, Orochimaru has shown better physical feats than base Jiraiya.

Frwt wrote:

and the large numbers of failure students the toad had, it's not an assumption I'm making, it's a thing we know Those are from people who failed to properly balance natural energy, not because their bodies were weak or they didnt have enough chakra

Babyfriend1 wrote:

On the sage mode page the wiki said the users need to have strong bodies to support the increased power but I checked the page that it cited (chapter 579 page 16-17) and it seems to just say his body was unsuitable instead but I'm not sure if it could just be a translation error. Regardless, if it did say "strong" we know how "strong" used in the series doesn't always refer to physical strength They do have to have strong bodies but it could hust refer to being in good health and not sickly like Itachi or Kimimaro.