Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26104757-20170619053257/@comment-27924662-20170707055221

Mr. Grave wrote: Not really. Yes, he is smarter than them, but the databooks dictate that all three of them are around the same tier when it comes to intelligence. They all scored 5 in that aspect. What they have more than Shikamaru is experience and, in the case of Tsunade, brute strength. Also, I'm calling it as I see it - in their fight against Team Asuma, Kakuzu and Hidan spent the better part of it arguing with one another while low-level jonin Asuma and three chunin watched. Their only advantage is that they don't care about harming one another so their attacks can cover large areas. ^this is true. I forgot to factor in the experience. But if you are going to factor that in than I will suggest that you don't. Because Kakuzu's Experience would easily trump either of their experience. Mr. Grave wrote: Doesn't matter if he was caught or not. I'm talking about Tsunade's strength. Jiraiya spoke of that event and compared it to taking a blow from Four Tails. The fact that she has strength comparable to a version 2 Kyuubi is something. And I'm not underestimating Asuma's blades, but I am giving credit to Chiyo's puppets and Tsunade's strength. Tsunade wouldn't even have to preoccupy herself with Hidan that much - simply use Body Deranged Pathway on him and then focus on Kakuzu while Chiyo could use her puppets to cut his head off. Another close quarter attack. I am not at all denying the fact that Tsunade would demolish him with Body Deranged Path way. But Hidan is equally good at Taijutsu too And considering his tool he should be in better position to extract the blood. Mr. Grave wrote: That's because 1) Asuma already had faced substantial injuries 2) Hidan had already created the pentagram - Tsunade would be able to withstand both of those, first one with her healing techs and the second one by, you know, punching Hidan out of the circle instead of using a scorching technique. Chiyo could support her in dealing with the masks. Also, Hidan's stamina is much greater than Shikamaru's and Kakashi's but they repeatedly handed him his ass during that battle; especially true in the case of Kakashi, who actually fought him in hand to hand combat. Tsunade is more durable than those two in the meanwhile. She would handle him just fine.

Mr. Grave wrote: She stopped in her tracks because she was surprised that a boy like Naruto could use a rasengan. And, she was drunk in that fight. Tsunade being amazed at Kabuto's regeneration does not mean it's superior to hers. Several Uchiha showed amusement at Kakashi's use of the MS, but that does not mean that he could use it to its full extent. Look at this: []. The size of that wound is huge, yet immediately after that Tsunade pushed it through her stomach and hit Madara with it. And really it may not be as impressive as some other Susanoo feats, but comparing the blade to a Part I Naruto rasengan is nowhere near doing it justice. Tsunade's punches and kicks could do more damage than that Rasengan considering she actually caused a crack in Madara's susanoo, the same susanoo which had tanked Naruto's oodama rasengan Part 1 Naruto completely Demolished Kabuto's stomach. Please check out where the whole stomach is filled with blood despite him collecting chakra to negate rasengan. The size of the wound is bigger than that Susanoo Blade by the way. As for Oodoma Rasengan argument, Madara attacked him before that Rasengan could complete penetration. Mr. Grave wrote: Whatever the combinations, Kakuzu cannot spam those attacks. He could use it once, maybe twice. We're forgetting that he also runs in chakra just like them mortals. Also, Chiyo wanted to kill Kakashi at one instance and then worked alongside one of his pupils in the other (almost flawlessly at that). I think they would abandon their rivalries to fight together pretty easily. The main reason was kakashi's father dead.(in kakashi's case) I don't think situation would have been same if Sakura hadn't save Kankuro. Because she saved him and fought the way she did with Chiyo was the major factor in securing that trust. You can't say the same for Tsunade or Kakashi's father teaming up with her. And if you ignore emotional factor here than I will simply argue you to ignore that factor in Kakuzu and Hidan's case. and Kakuzu's Fight with Kakashi clearly showed that he can easily spam the jutsu number of times. And Kakuzu's chakra reserve is much more considering he easily has reserves of more than 5 at least.