Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20180630055746/@comment-34656247-20180701231911

Nashikeine wrote: Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Orochimaru, Itachi, Kakashi, Sasuke ......cough! i see them as genius. but i think that Minato is the greatest prodigy or genius. But yet stated that Itachi isn't one ;)

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Completely denying itachi as a genius makes me wonder....what's wrong you you O____O i am not completely denying him as a genius. i am just stating that there are more genius and prodigious shinobi than him. And i quote just my opinion, feel free to disagree, but i really do not see Uchiha Itachi as a genius he was under the spotlight there.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Exactly, awakening it has nothing here, but the mastery over it does.he mastered it in the same year after awakening i belive. didnt i mention that he mastered Genjutsu myself and he probably was unrivalled. i was just stating the fact that just awakening Sharingan does not make you a prodigy. a mere point that somehow seems to be used to make Itachi great since he awakened it early in his life. I didnt deny anything you said there dude ;_;

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Those are just intelligence and strength feats intertwined.
 * He saw the fire ball jutsu just once and perfromed the technique the next second,
 * performed the shadow clone jutsu at that age, which shocked alot of the jonins
 * After just 4 months the higher ups agreed that there was nothing more the could teach itachi ;_;
 * Participated in the chunin exam's forest of death ALONE and made a record (something minato didnt do ;_;)
 * Participated in the chunin exams battle section and was stopped from going to the finals because everyone agreed that he was too skilled alread ;)
 * Performed a shuriken technique as a kid which Orochimaru thought he would've died from, orochimaru was rushing in to save Itachi but had to stop and be amazed of how brilliantly itachi pulled off the shuriken trick ;_;
 * SaSUke stated that Itachi is more skilled at shuriken jutsu than fugaku
 * After visiting the war battleifield he found a shinobi begging for water, he helped him then was attacked by that shinobi who was then killed by that same young itachi.
 * Defeated one of the most skilled and dangerous anbu at the age of 8.
 * After being caught with the audio genjutsu he quickly finds a way to break free, when sasuke's brain was in park mode
 * Invented the crow clone jutsu which reduces chakra consumption
 * No doubt he's the best sharingan genjutsu master. (probably behind shisui)
 * Praised by Ao and Shikaku for a genjutsu feat
 * Was shown to utilize susanoo whilst being outside of It.
 * He did deduce how chibaku tensei worked but he also sought out a weakness for it.
 * Analyzed Nagato's rinnegan shared field vision thingy and came up with a counter for it.
 * Excels in handsign speed (wasnt beaten)
 * Was the only one to found out obito's presence.
 * Formulates a plan, entrusting Naruto with shisui's eye in the event if sasuke did threaten konoha.
 * Created the exploding clone, which can act on it's own
 * Managed to land hits on a perfect sage mode user.
 * Kabuto stated that Itachi can see though peoples heart and read their intentions and use that to his advantage in battle
 * Itachi blitzed uchiha police members who had 3 tomoe sharingan unlocked ;_;

First. i never denied Itachi's skills. NEVER. i see him as one of the strongest shinobi. in Kage tier and with his haxx able to beat most of the Kage tier shinobi

also most feats you mentioned above are novel-anime exclusive, so...

Yea if naruto learned it, then that explains how easy it was..besides he had a scroll im sure the signs were like imprinted on it. Naruto mastered and perfected rasengan....meh.
 * fireball i agree with.... highly skilled... but Naruto managed to learn a kinjutsu within a few hours without anyone demonstration.

Itachi and a few guys were being bullied, so he left a clone and went to train with shisui, the bullies eventually pinned the clone down that's where the jonins came in to see it go poof after a solid punch.......itachi story, anime.....Using naruto again? did itachi steal a scroll and run off to watch the signs and mimic them? nope
 * when? ..... also again, didnt Naruto surprised Jonin too with using Kage BUnshin...

Novel...you can rest assured im not making these up.
 * novel/anime? .... just unneeded hype in my opinion, because in no way they had already taught him everything he knew by the age of 6

Well the fact that they said itachi made a record means that Minato didnt do anything close.
 * Novel exclusive i believe.... and did it even happen in Forest of Death? dont know specifics. also we dont know the Chunin Exam Minato went through.

seriously ;-; watch itachi's story or buy a novel dude ;_;
 * WHen?

Even children has observation, no?
 * Sasuke's statement. of a child no older than 6 or so. to be taken at face value. really?

Think what you want, but these are all facts...no need to deny it because you didn't see the guy' story ;-;....after the dude got up to attack Itachi fugaku appeared,which hints that the uchiha went to the battlefield after the war probably ended. And don't you remember a statement itachi withnessing the horror's of war at a young age, thats the reason why he became a pacifist etc that's the war he was at.
 * WHen did this happen? forget that Obito lied about many things, Itachi was barely 3-4 years old about the time of war. please do tell how a child, not even a shinobi wandered into a battlefield far away from Konoha. a lie and stupid bs hype to build Itachi

You seriously need to watch the story....after madara launched mugen tsukuyomi sasuke remembered the story which itachi threw to him through genjutsu before his edo self dissapeared.
 * when is it stated that he defeated an ANBU at 8? He wasnt even allowed to take CHunin Exam by age of 10.

You sound angry ;_;
 * I said he is one of the strongest Genjutsu users, also the stupid Sharingan Hax is what helped him break through. also didnt Sasuke also use Genjutsu on Itachi to remove him of the audio Genjutsu. they bought were caught and yet for some reason both could use Sharingan to dispel Genjutsu on the other

Check the wikia...atleast Minato didnt invent it ;)
 * where is it mentioned he created the Crow CLone Jutsu?

Did you skip all of Itachi's scenes? or..?.....when they were fightining nagato he did it thrice, how can you miss that?! ;_;
 * What? using Susanoo from not being in it. when?

Really? ;_; that's how? werent you supposed to see a technique in action before you can start deducing how it works? he never saw pein in action. so.....
 * Maybe it missed your notice but Itachi while in Akatsuki studied all its members. the conversation between EDo Itachi and Edo Nagato should tell you enough that Itachi knew of the Akatsuki as much as Nagato did or proabbly more. So he certainly knew of Rinnegan's shared vision.

Damn lolololo, that super hand speed caused kakashi to panic, and it gives you an edge in battle...like sasuke vs itachi battle, sasuke needed a scroll to summon shurikens whilst itachi performed it with mere hand seals and in the end he also made a seal for a crow clone........something which caught sasuke by surpise as even he with a sharingan didnt see it. I've seen both sasuke and itachi using just the tiger seal for katon and i've also seen them needing signs for it, like just before itachi used amaterasu on his final fight whislt alive.
 * Excelled in handsign speed. so what? there are shinobi who dont even require handsigns. Sasuke uses Firball Jutsu with one sign while Itachi needs multiple. so who is the loser here? he can move his hands as fast as he wants.

So you're gonna deny the fact and try to be funny? ;-; not as a kid but as a teen itachi found him out. And was everyone at war? ;-; what was teen itachi doing at home then??
 * wasnt obito also the one who killed his team? and at that point most were more or less busy with trying to curb the Uchiha war. they didnt have the time to go around searching for a single man who wasnt doing much damage.

His plan was going to work but kamui boy added some of his curse of hatred shit to sasuke's mind and viola. He trusted naruto, and he was abt to die anyways soo....
 * and how did that plan work? fail. he was like banking on Naruto to fight Sasuke, but there would be so better ways to go around having Sasuke return back to Konoha. he decides to mindr*pe Sasuke. good plan

Yea and itachi created edo tensei. Deidara and Itachi perfromed the exploding clones so who would you say created it? Deidara can use it for obvious reasons, but idk abt itachi how he invented it.
 * again not stated that he created it. it probably was another of Tobirama's creation.

Don't you know what a perfect sage mode user is? they are hard to tag!, thanks to sage mode which allows the user to sense incoming attacks, itachi pulled it off ;) kabuto was even able to dodge susanoo arrow in that mode...something kakashi needed kamui for.
 * 2 MS users, the most Haxxed ability in all of Narutovers, against one Sage. the MS users tag team and barely get in a hit or two and that somehow is worth the praise. wow.

When he didn't? ;_; he knew sasuke from inside out -.-
 * he couldnt read his own brother's heart.

Sigh!...when the 3 officers came to report shisui's death to itachi they later said that they suspected itachi then activated their sharingan and then blap blap blap 3 uchiha officers down. Yes. some are good feats. and he is skilled character. Really dude? you didnt know half of them ;__________________;
 * when did it happen? they wasnt some big fight and he defeated them all as i know.

but at the same time many shinobi have shown similar feats or even surpassed him. Wow enlighten me..any character with powerups performing anything similiar.

@Alpharex1 wrote: Minato surpassed jiraiya in fuinjutsu and he started learning uzumaki fuin which is no small feat, he had perfect sage mode, he had tobirama's ftg mastered and upgraded and you think Itachi could compare to this? A guy who always relied on his sharingan? A guy who killed his clan because danzo and obito told him to? Be serious people Danzo told itachi to slaughter his clan and it was up to itachi to either do it or not, wanna know what would've happened if he chose not? his clan would've been wiped out anyways by the anbu and that's everyone including sasuke....wanna know what happened when itachi chose to wipe the clan himself? saving sasuke became possible. So which was the smarted decision..?
 * Minato had perfect sage mode? hell no. Naruto did tho😅😅.
 * So just because Minato upgraded ftg and learned sealing jutsu,itachi can no longer be compared to him? nice....not.
 * A guy who always relies on his sharingan? that goes for all uchihas btw, and for minato a guy who always relies on flying thunder god ;_;.
 * Obito told itachi to kill his clan? woah are you watching the backstreet verion of naruto? ;-;