Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-44916514-20200123204114/@comment-33286580-20200131180103

so it seems that most assume that Edo Madara wins because of PS and Tengai Shinsei.

Yes. those are some deadly cards in the hands of Edo Madara, but aren't you guys really downplaying the sheer power of KSM or even KM Naruto.

Let's bust those two Jutsu of Madara first.

for starters. Edo Madara was on par with SM Hashirama. it was clear when before Madara was revived both had each other pinned down, and even then Hashirama had a slight edge. in that battle, from the few panels we saw, Madara used PS and Hashirama used the wood human-dragon jutsu. the fact that Hashirama didnt use the thousand hands buddha and still drew with an edge further proves the point. only once revived did Madara got the edge over Edo Hashirama. and we know that their Edo selves were weaker than their original selves.

and maybe you havent forgotten, but Edo Hashirama clearly stated that he was inferior to incomplete Juubito. so it would be clear that Edo Madara is inferior to incomplete Juubito too. (Madara banked on the heart seal thing and such other tactic to control Obito if he deviated from the path).

Yet Naruto in KSM was not only able to follow complete Juubito, but put in some attacks. it was Naruto's Rasengan that on multiple occassions broke through the TSB shields fromed by Obito. (You would say that SM works on Juubi Jinchuriki so that is not a contesting point, but it is as TSBs can nullify any form of ninjutsu, but not Senjutsu, doesnot mean that being hit by Senjutsu techs make them suddenly go poof.)

the fact that KSM Naruto powered Rasengans could destroy TSB shields, it can easily destroy PS. then there are KSM powered TBB and rasenshuriken and all other variations in Naruto's arsenal.

also, KSM Naruto with combined tailed attacks of the Biju destroyed a revived Madara with Hashirama's Senjutsu (+ the Kyubi chakra he sucked out of many shinobi in his path) humanoid Susanoo and badly damaged Madara.

So the idea KSM Naruto cannot deal with edo Madara PS is a joke.

as for Tengai Shinsei, those things are roughly half the size of mountains at best and they come to earth not like meteorites, but prety slowly (obvious with how easily Ohnoki just flew up and caught it) and you know what is capable of destroying freaking mountains TBB. the TBB that Naruto flicked off of the other Biju destroyed mountains each and you think a TBB from even KM Naruto cannot destroy Tengai Shinsei. wow.

Also Madara could probably use one Tengai Shinsei at a time. yes he used a second, but that was some seconds later. it clearly was not a rapid fire like how biju can fire TBBs. it probably has to do with the Rinnegan being a fake. it is why Edo Madara couldnt even use Limbo in this state.

also. Naruto by giving a tiny bit of his and kurama's chakra to the alliance giving them a small shroud saved their asses without a single injury on them even when hit point blank by Tenpenchii.

Tengai Shinsei is not a freaking meteorite that can end the world. it barely destroyed the area where the fourth division was and all the defence was the mere shields of Gaara and Ohnoki. on the other hand, like i said above, Naruto's KM cloak gives him far greater durability.

as for the wood clone Susanoo thing. they were 25 of them against five and yet they couldnt defeat the Gokage. and did you forget that Naruto pulled similar feats with his clones as he took on Kage level shinobi too.

even then this wood clones can only manifest humanoid Susanoo, which definitly will be far weaker to the same Susanoo manifested by revived Madara with Hashirama Senjutsu so i dont need to tell you what their fate will be. they will be smashed.

Naruto in SM alone or tiny bits of Kurama's chakra should destroy them. he has the Odama Rasengan Barrage that destroyed the forest jutsu when Naruto clone was really at the weakest and badly hurt Kurama.

to me Madara's real arsenal is the woood dragon and his Edo body. the later can be sealed away after Naruto does enough damage by Itachi and the Sword of Totsuka. the former will be tricky, but with just releaing KM would work like it already did once.

Naruto in KSM is too fast and really to strong from Edo Madara or any Madara outside of Juubidara. Naruto also has senses that can catch upto the seeed of Juubito and even attack him and penetrate through TSB defence.

i dont even understand why you guys think that KSM Naruto can actually be defeated by Madara.

the only thing that can defeat KSM level Naruto from non Juubidara Madara is Limbo and Edo Madara cannot use it.

so yes. KSM Naruto and Itachi actually win. not that Itachi can be more useful than a backup to either use the Sword of Totsuka or the Mirror.