User talk:Elveonora

talkpage
much better now! ;)79.223.85.106 (talk) 16:33, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * hey am I blocked now? your answer to this would be your 4k edit! :D79.223.68.89 (talk) 18:22, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re: a dumb question
It is a word in Japanese. It's a word that is rarely used outside of fiction. You can see a few topics, including a very long topic about it at Hiden's talk page. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:32, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Edits
Hi, Elveonora, I just wanna to say that sorry about my edits. From now, Im gonna to mark them as minor edit. Greetings. Leo Hatake (talk) 16:35, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re: With all due respect
"Could you please stop addressing Fox's person directly all the time? This has nothing to do with me so I'm sorry for sticking nose into matters I'm not involved in, but it's getting awkward seeing you making it personal quite often. Take it elsewhere, it's kinda childish and this happens since him getting sysop rights." I keep addressing him because he's the one making a big deal out of my concerns. I am making an opinion and he just takes apart my posts, misquotes words and takes everything I say out of context. I wouldn't have a problem with him if he didn't keep doing this. --Speysider Talk Page 21:08, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) I'm not making it personal, he is by constantly being aggressive with all my edits on this wiki.
 * 2) I'm not going to take it elsewhere, because this is an issue on this wiki and I want all users to see it. I haven't removed or asked other users to take their issues with me elsewhere have I ?
 * 3) I dislike him because of the fact he requested and got sysop permissions which is quite the opposite of how you are meant to get them. You get them by proving that you are a good editor, you don't get them just by asking. That is, in fact, completely against the Wikia's ideals as well.


 * Thank you for addressing that, Elve. Not to worry, I have a handle on the situation. If he continues with this, I'll simply take it to the other admins, or deal with it myself.~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 21:37, March 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Meh, I'm laid back about things. I honestly don't have a problem with him. He's a productive editor. Anyone can see that. I don't know why he has a problem with me, and even if he does, he shouldn't drag the others into it. And yeah, I go inactive for times, and then get really active for times. I usually log on here when the new chapter come out, make my edits, and then log off. Occasionally, I'll make other edits, but I do like to contribute to the debates and discussions. Don't worry, it'll all work out in the end. He'll come around hopefully, and if he doesn't, I'll just drop it. No need to keep senseless arguments going. But again, thanks for your concern ^^ ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 21:49, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re: creepy throat snake no jutsu
If you feel one is necessary and the article can support it sure.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 20:56, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re: leaf village stuff
Or, you could add it and if it needs work, it'll be worked on~ --Cerez 365 ™(talk) 12:11, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Hidan's Eternal Youth
That's not the point. It's hard to say it but I found this webpage that features Hidan having eternal youth due to being immortal. If you don't believe me here is the webpage link.

If you look below and look in the known user box, Hidan's name is in it. Also, eternal youth is under the "Variation" section. http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Immortality

And if you look the known user box in the eternal youth page, Hidan's name is also in it. http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Semi-Immortality

--Jon825lazery7 (talk) 20:59, March 27, 2013 (UTC)User talk:Jon825lazery7--Jon825lazery7 (talk) 20:59, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re: thank you,
Seeing that discussion sparked in my memory that we had those. Felt double-stardardish to refuse adding those names when I recalled there being some names of that nature. I got all I remembered down. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:07, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Hayate filler
Anyway It would be good next episode the episode may even expand on his relationship with yugao his girlfriend -- User:Jmootam1999 Loves Naruto 23:42, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Haha your crazy haha shikamaru would be like what kurenai had It with hayate haha-- User:Jmootam1999 Loves Naruto 23:58, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Re: immortality question
In theory, yes. Biological immortality does exist in the form of immortalised cell cultures such as HeLa and Jurkat cells. There's a jellyfish which can be biologically immortal through changing back to an immature form, but in nature ends up perishing either to disease or predation. Hydra have something similar going on, but they don't know how telemore restoration works with their constant cellular division. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:10, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

FairyTail Fanon wiki
Hey could you please join FairyTaill Fanon wiki please, It's new and I need Admins who can develop the wiki really well please join --  Jmootam1999 09:27, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re: how you
Yeah, I wonder how Madara could survive after his battle with Hashirama and also how he could find the Gedo statue to bring the supply of his life until he met Obito. Perhaps he awakened his Rinnegan at that time to allow himself to control the life as he desire. And maybe Itachi was right about most of Madara's theories that you talked about, but I think we'll know more of Madara's flashbacks very soon. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 16:43, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re: chapter 626
I don't have access to the chapters 625 and 626 yet. Mangahead is seemingly having some problems with the Naruto raws and I don't have any other raw source. Seelentau 愛議 17:46, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Uh, I don't know what Genjutsu sound words look like, but I don't see anything that would stand out. Seelentau 愛議 16:54, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nope, the sound effect ザ za stands for whoosh or such, describing strong, energetic movement of the rain, in this case. Seelentau 愛議 17:11, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Forum talk
The ones who knew her as his mother aren't the ones who would be crazy on killing him (for being Minato's son), are they?~ Ultimate  Supreme  15:36, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Doesn't seem that kind of a person... Hiruzen must have decieded so only after accurately measuring the pros and cons (?)~ Ultimate  Supreme  16:38, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Hashirama's scar
Did you noticed in the recent chapter that Hashirama's scar on his nose bridge in the Hokage Monument isn't exist? Of course we're talking about the recent timing. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 14:18, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

FTG Slash
Hey man, is it true that Minato says Tobi has better space time ninjutsu than him and the Second ? If so, what chapter ? Im starting to get a little confused as to what things suggest it's Space time ninjutsu (other than the name), could you clear this up for me ? (maybe give me some reasons ? ahaha)Thanks --Keep Calm And Call Kakashi (talk) 12:09, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Ok cool, what chapter did you say ? ahhaha "50x" ? :p I dont really understand. Sorry for being pedantic, I just dont recall this part about the Second ! --Keep Calm And Call Kakashi (talk) 13:26, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Hayate filler arc
Unfortunately, no info available yet for that. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 19:21, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Obito and Kakashi's Age Difference.
Obito is 2 years 7 months 5 days older than Kakashi, Kakashi took only 1 year to graduate to Genin, he was still 5, he was almost 7 when he became a Chunin, and freshly 11 when he became a Jonin. Obito was 9 when he became a Genin, after a short time he and Rin took the Chunin exams with Kakashi and him and Rin lost, Kakashi who was almost 7 years old passed becoming a Chunin. Obito was 16years and 8 months when he attacked the village and Kakashi was 14years and 25 days, this was on the day of Naruto's birth which was 10/10/1996 as a figurehead.

Use this site to do the date differences and you will see that he is not 3 years 7 months and 5 days older than Kakashi but in fact 2 years 7 months 5 days older than Kakashi.

http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.html

Obito to current date From and including: Sunday, February 10, 1980 To, but not including : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 33 years, 2 months, 28 days excluding the end date

Kakashi to current date From and including: Wednesday, September 15, 1982 To, but not including : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 30 years, 7 months, 23 days excluding the end date

Naruto to current date From and including: Thursday, October 10, 1996 To, but not including : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 16 years, 6 months, 28 days excluding the end date

The earliest possible day of Kakashi becoming a Chunin From and including: Wednesday, September 15, 1982 To, but not including : Friday, February 10, 1989 6 years, 4 months, 26 days excluding the end date

Obito on that day From and including: Sunday, February 10, 1980 To, but not including : Friday, February 10, 1989 9 years excluding the end date

The latest possible day of Kakashi becoming a Chunin From and including: Wednesday, September 15, 1982 To, but not including : Thursday, September 14, 1989 6 years, 11 months, 30 days excluding the end date

Obito on that day From and including: Sunday, February 10, 1980 To, but not including : Thursday, September 14, 1989 9 years, 7 months, 4 days excluding the end date ItachiWasAHero (talk) 10:46, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Oh and in the Lost Tower Movie they went back 20 years before current time Naruto date setting so Kakashi's age of 30 years, 7 months, 23 days becomes 10 years, 7 months, 23 days and his data file in the movie said he was a Chunin at that time so it fits right in to all of this ItachiWasAHero (talk) 10:46, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yamato was 6 years 8 months 28 days and a Chunin too at that time, but he wasn't shown in the movie except for his current self. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 02:59, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Btw I used 1996 for Naruto and Sasuke, 1991 for Itachi, 1982 for Kakashi, and 1980 for Obito. For yamato I used 1986. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:07, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

To Elveo,

So lets put it like this then, They all enter the academy at the same time that's a manga fact, and Obito is 2years7months5days older than Kakashi, the grad ages were 9(genin) and 11(chunin) for Obito and Rin... Kakashi's was 5(genin) and 6(chunin).

Academy Entrance: Obito, Kakashi, Rin, at the same time.

1 year later: Kakashi(Still 5 but almost 6) becomes Genin: Obito and Rin are still in the academy.

Obito and Rin become Genin: a short time later Kakashi at almost 7 years old(Still 6 since his birthday hasn't come yet) becomes a chunin after taking the exams with Rin and Obito who fail the exams.

Obito(11yrs) and Rin become Chunin: Obito is shown with his chunin vest and papers.

2 years go by and Obito is now 13: Kakashi who is 11 has become a Jonin, Obito who is 13 nearly dies and goes rogue. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 06:32, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

One part you forget... the Jonin Sensei is the one who sends them to take the Chunin Exams, Like Gai made sure team Gai couldn't take the exams when he thought they weren't ready... Minato obviously did not think his team were ready to take a second Chunin exams until they were 11, Sasuke and Naruto got into the academy when they were 5, they Graduated when they were 12 man... 12. My math still fits. Kakashi became Chunin at 6(almost 7) and was that way until 11. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 19:06, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

BTW there are TWO Chunin exams every year, one at the beginning and one at the end of the year and Jonin Sensei's can prevent their students from taking the exams as much as they want until they feel they are ready. Kakashi was 11 when he became a Jonin, My PROOF? here are some facts.. Gai became a Chunin at 11 and he is only around over 8 months older than Kakashi and Asuma became a Chunin at 12 and he is around a year older than Kakashi.. Gai and Asuma were BOTH wearing their Chunin vests in chapter 599 when we see Rin showing her "Project give Kakashi a present to congratulate Kakashi becoming a Jonin" plan... Obito died at 13(a fact), and in the Kakashi Gaiden they say Kakashi just became a Jonin so it is clear that page in chapter 599 happens soon before the Kakashi Gaiden.. which means I am right and Obito is 2yrs 7months 5days older than Kakashi. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 03:01, May 19, 2013 (UTC) That manga chapter had 3 errors only, Minato's stone face, Hayate, and Anko being in it... that was it. The rest can be assumed as accurate enough. In the movie lost towers Kakashi is 10 and still Chunin and that supports me.. chapter 599? that supports me... Gai and Asuma's chunin ages? they support me. I am right you are wrong. Kakashi became Jonin at 11 and Obito is 2 years 7 months older than him. Enough said. My evidence is better and more accurate than yours, my evidence has facts, manga and data.. and math that all fits.. I don't see why you are so hell bent on Kakashi being a 9 year old Jonin and Obito being 3yrs 7months older than him... they don't fit and they never will, once all the other facts are realized like ALL the posts I put on your talk page. I brought more evidence and facts than you, and all of them fit and are supported by databook and manga. Just accept I am right and move on this is getting old. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 11:12, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

...
No again you are presuming it takes everyone a year to graduate the academy. Itachi and Kakashi were PRAISED for graduating in a year, AND at the top of their classes so that in itself I am right on again. One year = 12 months no matter what. 5 Years and 11 months minus a year equals?? exactly. Also this isn't based on OUR dates, ONly the months and days are correspondent and the days that were given that were not databook or manga data were only used to support my post, they could of been a few days later or a few days earlier or even a month or two. You need to be looking at the age DIFFERENCES in those dates posted mainly, the utmost importance and point in my post was not 100% the actual dates. Read my post again and let me know if you understand what it really meant. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 19:55, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

AND a year before the nine tales attack Obito would of been 15, 2 years before that Obito was 13, that is 3 years before the nine tails attack, Kakashi being 14 minus 3 equals 11. On to another piece, Itachi is 8 years, 8 months, 25 days younger than Kakashi and it was a stated fact he was still around the time the 3rd war ended. So the 3rd war ended on his 4th Birthday at the least and the last day of his 4th year at the most, meaning it ended around almost 2 years after Obito's "Death" at Kanabi Bridge at most and around 1 year at the least. My math makes sense all the way. Obito was 16 and 8 months when he attacked Konoha, Itachi was 5 and 4 months, and Kakashi was 14 and 25 days. During the the Gaiden Kakashi was 11 and Obito was 13 and Itachi was 2, I didn't specify the months here because it should be easy to calculate them using the date calculator and I want you to see for yourself... you will get the exact months too and it will all fit. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:06, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Kakashi was 9 years old when Obito "died". Not 11. Itachi was born that year. I've gone through all that multiple times, if you don't trust Elve-kun's words, trust me. Seelentau 愛議 21:06, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Kakashi, Obito and Rin graduated at the same time, 9 years prior to Naruto's birth (ptNb). Kakashi became Chūnin one year later (8 years ptNb), Obito and Rin two years (7 years ptNb) later. Obito "died" 5 years ptNb. Both Obito and Rin are four years older than Kakashi. Seelentau 愛議 21:20, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * There's a gap, that's right. Don't know how to take that into account, though. Seelentau 愛議 21:33, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

No, you are not getting this. Re-read my posts... I am right. I am only stating facts here not my opinions... I did your math and my math countless times and in the end you are still wrong. Go over everything I posted again. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:00, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * And where exactly am I wrong? Seelentau 愛議 10:57, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Naruto's healing
The passage isn't in mangareader's scanlation, but in mangastream's archive site (which I'm not sure is actually maintained by them, the .to domain), you can see the scanlated part where Kakashi thinks "Must be the Nine-Tails' power". And since the scanlation probably dates back to a long time ago, the quality is rather bad, some of the kanji are still readable, and you can even see part of the kanji for nine, just above the box where that thought is written. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:34, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not exactly sure. As an Uzumaki, Naruto ought to have the "potential for long life" yada, yada, yada, and since he's an Uzumaki through his mother. Only case I can think of from the top of my head that someone explicitly linked anything Naruto has with his heritage was Kurama when Naruto went Oprah "You get a chakra cloak! You get a cloak! EVERYBODY gets a chakra cloak!" with its chakra. I don't recall if there are others, but I think it stands to reason that he'd have inherited something from Kushina. I don't particularly recall anyone being against listing Naruto as having those benefits, as an Uzumaki, but my memory could be faulty. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:50, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Sakumo killing Sasori's parents matter
Why do you think Nagato was that old when he died? My timeline says so, too, but I have no idea why it does that, since I removed everything regarding the second WW due to missing proof. So if you can proof that Nagato was that old, it'd be awesome. Maybe I could then add it again. Seelentau 愛議 15:07, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * So your whole argumentation is based on an assumption? I don't think that's enough, dude. Seelentau 愛議 15:45, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Where does it say that Sasori's parents died when he was younger than 5? Seelentau 愛議 17:00, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Could you get me a manga reference for that information? Seelentau 愛議 17:41, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Archive
Yep--ROOT 根 (talk) 17:35, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Then why Is my archive weird looking its not like yours where It neat and says Archive 1 ? how come? It hasn't got any links example "Archive 1" like yours --ROOT 根 (talk) 17:57, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Jubi forms
Second form is emaciated/handicapped, third form is it bulking up arms, horns etc. There's nothing special about the beast opening its mouth and showing us its penis, so it's not a fourth form.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 17:38, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'm kind of lost, but, if I understand you correctly, there'd be no need to represent the mouth in the gallery.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 17:47, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I thought they mentioned that it was transforming again that's why that was put there. Checked and didn't see it, I'll edit it to reflect that.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 17:58, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Speculation
You need to tone down the speculation, Elve. Its fine if you want to discuss theories or ideas you have in a forum or on personal talk pages, but three times since the chapter came out, I've seen you starting new discussions (Ten-Tails classification, Naruto being a sensor, and now the Haruno clan) based on nothing but over exaggerations of canon statements and baseless speculation on your behalf. This is not a reprimand, just a reminder that we can't actually use evidence like a symbol appearing above Sakura's head (regardless of who drew it, or the circumstances) to draw any conclusions. The same about the Ten-Tails, or Naruto's abilities. There has to be concrete facts before they are added. That's why we couldn't change the Ten-Tails' classification, that's why Naruto cannot be added as a sensor, and that's why we are not going to list that symbol as proof of a "Haruno clan".

It may happen that, later on down the road, Kishimoto proves your theories all right. Or, he could do a 180 and prove them all wrong. My point is that you have to have something solid before using it in an argument. Maybes, could be's, might have's, and possibly's are not things that are going to be considered for a mention on the articles. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20:16, May 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Of course. I didn't want to seem like I was hunting your comments down and attacking them. I've learned the hard way that others can take it like that, though that is never my intentions. Besides, I see you in a friendly light and enjoy our debates. I just want to make sure we keep speculation out of them for the good of the site. That's all. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 21:01, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Happy
I am happy with your latest message to Seelentau regarding chakra. Do you have any questions or anything you're still not sure about that I could maybe help explain? Everything about chakra and all its components gets VERY confusing, especially since there's a lot of misinformation about it (though you've shown you know more than the average). We all can still learn. =) --98.101.165.89 (talk) 22:59, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree. Is there anything still unclear to you, Elve-kun? Also this. Might wanna read it. Seelentau 愛議 01:32, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

I am actually quite hurt and disappointed, Elv. I was being completely earnest and amiable. I also do not know how much of chakra you understand, so I only wanted to try and help you clear any confusion that you may have about such a large topic. It is the most comprehensive and confusing thing Kish has created in regards to Naruto, in my opinion. And concerning affinities, you have displayed a bit of that confusion.

If it helps you believe, trust, and understand me more... I don't understand the Obito-Kakashi age situation. I mean, yes, I get the answer people come up with, but I haven't done the research and every time I decide I want to start, I get overwhelmed because I honestly don't know where to start, or how. And I would actually appreciate it if you would perhaps help me with that, walking me through it. Perhaps you could list it on my talk page in the way I requested Itachiwasahero do it on Seelentau's timeline page. And don't forget, we've also agreed on things that others might not, so I'm not out to get you.

To reply to the questions and everything, however -- What parts do you feel were disagreed upon? I must have missed it, because the only part I was discussing is what an affinity was =(. As for arms, legs, etc, that is a debate I've had with other Naruto-philes who do all they can to understand the lore. It seem plausible. Kakuzu's heart issues is simply explained because the heart contains a lot of chakra and vital components to a person. Using what was stored in them (the bonus chakra, nature transformation affinity (because the body naturally leans that way), etc) is what allowed him to use them. And that's the only reason why he could use affinities, because of the heart contained the information and etc. The hearts don't allow him to use others outide of their owners' affinity because it goes based solely on the body's chakra naturally leaned towards/emitted. Sure, they may have trained for others, but the body doesn't naturally do it, and it is why, even if a master in Raiton (Affinity) and Doton (Secondary), their expertise in Raiton (assuming they train it) produces larger results much more easily (and what allowed Kakuzu to use such masterful and large techniques, because he would use the heart's affinity).

As for being physical and spiritual energies, you're not incorrect as chakra is molded from physical and spiritual. But it's the chakra that determines it, and all the dialogue explicitly states it, and leaves naught to imagination. They say it (chakra) leans towards a nature, you pump chakra into the paper, the paper reacts to the nature hidden in the chakra, etc. And of course all the other dialogue. So I don't get why you think it is personality based and it explains transplants (when the only things transplanted are the body, chakra, affinity) working better.

As for Uchiha's being Katon more often than not, don't forget that there is seemingly a Rite of Passage where you're not really an Uchiha unless you can use Katon (technically they just don't consider you an adult, but I prefer my version better lol). So from that, we can gather there are some Uchiha whose affinity sometimes differs. But along with Uchiha being Kekkei Genkai oriented, we can also assume their bodies have always produced a chakra leaning towards Katon, especially if you do consider the genetics/breeding part you've mentioned in the past. I would say it's the same for Iwagakure, where they're known for their Doton, Kirigakure being known for their Suiton, Sungakure -- Fuuton, and Kumogakure -- Raiton, and in the end it really just probably ends up being all attributable to breeding/genetics and chakra leaning towards a nature being perpetuated.

As for changing affinities, there's no reason to believe that, and it's heresy. And having two affinities? Hm, I've wondered about that when it comes to people like Haku, Hashirama, etc. They need both elements, and seemingly are born with both elements in order to use their KKG. I mean we've all come to understand they need both, but I haven't seen anyone approach the idea of having two affinities from birth for them. Maybe people have, but I haven't seen it, so... no, I don't agree with changing affinities, but I do agree with some having two affinities because of KKG.--98.101.165.89 (talk) 14:24, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Truce.
I am cooled down now and I have come to this conclusion, if we completely exclude chapter 599, then Obito and Rin are 4 years older than Kakashi. if we include chapter 599 then they are 2 years older than Kakashi. It all comes down to Databook 4 to solve this issue. Right now as long as it isn't addressed by databook 4 then we are both wrong and right at the same time. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 09:36, May 20, 2013 (UTC)