Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36019309-20190114073523/@comment-34656247-20190123001428

JamesSenpai wrote: Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: So are you saying Bee can counter Tsukuyomi? i don't see it happening when he literally became fodder to just basic genjutsu casted by both Itachi and Sasuke..

How did you get that from me saying Naruto said Bee couldn't break it? What?
 * This statement of yours probably wasn't structured correctly which is why is said what I said > "Because he wouldn't be able to break free according to Naruto "..... It seemed as if you don't believe in what Naruto said...

Unless your examples include Elite Uchiha with Sharingan, then it's irrelevant since my argument is a direct statement from Kishimoto and Itachi saying an elite Uchiha with Sharingan can break it. Ok i see you keep spamming this statement, so what exactly does the term Elite represent in this case hmm, let's use another example to see things differently, say if kishimoto stated that only females can beat Madara. does this mean any female can do it? no matter of age? say if one of them is so old she can't see properly, is she still eligible of defeating Madara?..good, just wanted to expand our understanding of this statement. Now by stating Elite sharingan weilders is kinda vague in a way, as one can be considered as an elite when he's just branded with a title...lets say if we have an ordinary uchiha with mangekyou, he's smart and all but is just elected as hokage, there he will be considered as an elite right away just because of the title hokage.. so according to the statement now this means that this ordinary dude can break tsukuyomi, just because of his title as elite right?. hmm. From how i see it only Main Uchiha characters would be able to potentially break it, Obito,sasuuke and Madara kinda falls under the spotlight here now. Still with that aside even being an elite or main character doesn't 1000000% guarantee you Tsukuyomi immunity, as the move can be pulled off in different ways..say we have Obito with a deactivated sharingan who then gets strucked by tsukuyomi..would it not work there now? or is he totally immune to tsukuyomi no matter the case lol....i don't think so...

Wrong. If we're taking things literally can was used by Itachi, who said ". Kakashi said "only someone with the Kekkei Genkai and Sharingan can'' Sasuke. So Sasuke can break Tsukuyomi. Can as I showed above, can mean possibility. Then Kishimoto added, they needed to be an elite as well. So, does Sasuke have those requirements or can potentially have those requirements? Yes. So no one was wrong.
 * only someone with the Kekkei Genkai and Sharingan can...wait, isn't the sharingan a kekkei genkai loll..anyways i accept your point.

What? Me: "He has you instantly, obviously means he has you in his Genjutsu" You: "with Asuma described the speed of Tsukuyomi as instant or near instant, which is what Kakashi is referring to in the chiyo scene...." that's literally the same thing. I literally say that means you are in Tsukuyomi instantly. I misinterpreted but you didn't? Makes sense. All Tsukuyomi requires is eye contact and that's it. It's an instantaneous Genjutsu once that requirement is fulfilled. When he said it has nothing to do with breaking Genjutsu, he was referring to Chiyo who stated ways on how to break Genjutsu. No one there met the requirements Kishimoto or Itachi laid. So none of them had the ability to break it. So that was what Kakashi was referring too, even if they can break Genjutsu, it wasn't going to work on the Tsukuyomi since Kishimoto laid the terms of how to break it. As War pointed out in his counter from me, those were the requirements at that time. So whether an non Uchiha can break it or not, is irrelevant too me since my argument is the statement coming from both Kishimoto Kakashi and Itachi which states an Elite Uchiha with Sharingan can break it. You can argue all you want, but their words are facts especially when it comes from the writer. Ok what i was saying is the genjutsu is executed instantly...not that you fall in it instantly, which if i were to take your every word literally is exactly what you said >>> "He has you instantly, obviously means he has you in his Genjutsu "....that is literally how sharingan genjutsu works..mostly, what asuma said was as soon as itachi stopped talking Kakashi dropped to the ground, this is Asuma pointing out the speed tsukuyomi works at which is something we shouldn't even be arguing on since we know that it is a fast gjutsu.....