Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-24886865-20171122234112/@comment-9782468-20171215065812

Nerosmoke wrote: And then after the fight Haku told Zabuza he was under mind control and that was why he lost. the whole second fight was Zabuza was blinding himself and Kakashi had to use dogs to find him. if Kakashi fought edo Zabuza in the mist with sunglasses on with no back up or sensor ninjas or dogs Zabuza wins and Kakashi would not even try to fight him head on like that.

It's not a matter of beliving, it more of a matter of the Jinin page is missing all of his Jutsu and should be updated. but for some reason no one is doing it. and progress needed to be made on the wiki. ?? Kakashi beat Zabuza whenever he was serious, and now you're saying it's not counting because of the way he did it? He used his abilities and beat Zabuza more than once. Kakashi only used the dogs to find AND pin Zabuza down. He could locate him himself; Kakashi already demonstrated he could smell small amounts of his own blood, in Kakashi Gaiden when he was 12 or 13. Kakashi vs Zabuza 1 on 1, both serious, Kakashi wins in a difficult fight. But he wins every time. It's already been shown. Zabuza literally only won the very first time when Kakashi acknowledged he let his guard down. Every other time, when Kakashi took the fight seriously, Kakashi won.

Also, Zabuza wasn't under mind control. He had a Genjutsu used on him. Which is in Kakashi's abilities to do so. So idk why you're bringing it up.

If you believe the wiki is lacking in information, update the pages. Easy.

Back on the track of the actual topic. I still think Naruto wins.

Naruto clones don't die in a single hit, I've already given you an example of where one didn't disperse even after a Chidori. Water clones have never been stated to be better than Shadow Clones. Also, if you think Naruto clones aren't impressive, remember during the 4th Shinobi World War? Naruto beat Kage with clones. He beat the Third Raikage with a clone.

We know 8 Gate Might Dai is weaker than 8 gate Guy because Guy was able to fight TTJ Madara. The 7 Swordsmen are nowhere near TTJ Madara.