Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-34194151-20180917175509

@Princeharris

Itachi knew that obito would approach sasuke after death, and his transcription seal was set to react to tobi's sharingan. this was explained in the canon. Plus what you said was a contradiction, as even if he doesn't take off his mask he still has to look at his target with his right eye, and he looked sasuke in the eye, he had no reason not to, so itachi predicted it, and it doesn't take a genius to predict that. Part of intelligence is foresight. Everyone can see the future to an extent, some do it better than others, thus some are smarter than others. No one ever said itachi was the only who can predict, so I feel you are grasping at straws and semantics. If I say I know it will rain tomorrow, and it rains tomorrow, then it means I knew/predicted it/deduced it. My argument was simply that itachi has better foresight and tactics than the specific combatants in this thread, period, not that he was the smartest in the series, there are a few smarter than him. plus, what you stated had a degree of headcanon, as itachi clearly was worried about sasuke learning the truth about konoha from tobi. he was worried that sasuke would seek the EMS and become vengeful while being goaded by Tobi, he stopped that right in its tracks by preparing that fail-safe.

@Loneninja

1) Itachi hasn't been in the situation before yet you have the omniscience to claim he won't be able to counter the technique based on your own perception that he would choose an ineffective counter. That much was your assumption. And I don't need to explain that if itachi is close enough to kimimaro's allies, then the technique obviously would cause friendly fire if used on the scale depicted, and it doesn't have to kill his allies to be disruptive, his technique can still stun his allies and disrupt their own attacks. and yes Itachi didn't have to jump. The bones weren't near enough to warrant such an action.

2)WRONG. There is NO PROOF obito wasn't forced to use izanagi to save himself from amaterasu. He was clearly tagged by the technique, and was in pain. When he remerges, there aren't any scorchmarks or burns on him, just like in the case of Danzo when Danzo was hit by amaterasu and then remerged good as new. If he used kamui, there would be more proof, like scorch marks still being present on his clothes, Period. he used izanagi as far as I am concerned, or some other hidden technique, hence why he claimed it was a secret that even itachi couldn't have known about. We even see his mask conveinently fall off, and we know that he needs to remove his mask to use izanagi in his hidden eye. Then he conveniently falls into the darkness so that the audience can't see. Obvious foreshadowing. The author is preparing us for izanagi in the future. All the physical evidence suggests he used izanagi. So yes, itachi forced obito to stop being a one trick pony and use a fail-safe. And sorry, but it's your personal opinion that itachi couldn't beat One MS obito, because I believe he can do it, just like I explained in the itachi vs obito thread from a while back, so not even go there here. Itachi >konan based on feats in tactics. I already debunked your claims. Itachi's primary goal was to keep sasuke from being drawn into the darkness by tobi, and he would have succeeded, period. In conclusion, Itachi nearly killed obito the same way konan did and with less effort, less mistakes, and while in death (post-mortem), and while it was only a secondary objective, meaning he had a backup in case it failed. Enough said.

3) Nagato is clearly standing several feet from the smokecreen in the manga So he would have seen the blade coming out of the smoke and still had plenty of space to react. He has reacted to attacks coming out of smokescreens before and at closer ranges, like a point blank shadow-shuriken-rasenshuriken, so there is no other excuse. So the blade is fast given his lack of a mental reaction to it. So yes the blade is faster than kn6 naruto and even rasenshuriken.

4)I didn't say your claim is stupid. I said you cite PIS stupidity feats/steatements, meaning feats that happened under plot influence or characters who don't have the proper knowledge on the jutsu being debated. Part 2 trumps part one? No it doesn't work like that. A retcon is a plot-hole, meaning we use the proper feats, as clearly the technique was already established to be able to do one thing. So if it does something new, then the new thing is a left as an outlier that shouldn't be used in vs battles, especially when it's clear when the jutsu resumes it's initial capabilities again suddenly when it's needed for the plot. Amaterasu burned down an immortal dog summon very quickly, that same summon that didn't go down to rasenshuriken, and now it can't burn through clothes fast? Yet people would call me stupid if i said that same rasenshuriken couldn't rip through mere clothing. Amaterasu burned through the toad stomach instantly, as itachi and kisame were able to escape immediately after it was cast. You are referring to the residual flames, which is not the same thing as the initial combustion which clearly created a huge hole in the wall in an instant. So, I agree konan has a counter to amaterasu though it's slightly imperfect.

5) Like I said, orochimaru being stronger has nothing to do with him being a better strategist or tactician than kakashi. Shikamaru is a better tactician than kaguya yet kaguya would stomp him in a fight, even if we gave him a few days prep time, and she outclasses him.