Talk:Black Receiver

Kabuto
Should we label the pebbles that Kabuto uses to control the impure world resurrection as chakra receivers? It seems to me that they are
 * They're mentioned in the technique page, and probably in Kabuto's ability section. That should be enough until more focus and information is given on those pebbles. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:34, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm..
"Nagato also seemingly went to some lengths to retrieve them"

Wasn't this because if one was to find a way to trace the chakra, (say as how Naruto did by stabbing himself with it), they would of been able to find him? I mean they didn't have to do it like Naruto did, but they would of found a way eventually. Just like everything else they come across, they find a way. So maybe something like "Incase they track it back to him" or something of the sort? SusanooUnleashed (talk) 13:14, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's just there to distinguish between it and the Chakra Disruption Blades. There could be other reasons why he went back for the receiver apart from fearing that they'd trace him.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 13:36, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Naruto
Why don't you list him as an user? He used them to locate Pain. --109.93.79.37 (talk) 00:26, January 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think he used them more a s a tool to find pain than actually wielding them. ROBO731   (Talk)  Mangekyō_Sharingan_Itachi.svg  00:30, January 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * All Naruto did was stab himself with it so he'd have an easier time sensing Nagato's chakra, which went straight into the chakra receiver. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:32, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Moving around.
Should something be added how the receiver moves on the Jinchuriki once they go through a transformation and get bigger? SusanooUnleashed (talk) 11:49, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I s'pose.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 12:39, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Control
Shouldn't it be said that these can be used to control others?Undominanthybrid (talk) 14:10, May 16, 2012 (UTC) "...Doing so allowed him to transmit his chakra into the bodies and control them remotely as if they were his own body." ?--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 14:33, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

I meant living, breathing or ressurected people, not dead bodies.Undominanthybrid (talk) 15:02, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd assume you're referring to Naruto during the invasion? That's being counted as Chakra Disruption Blades, though from the dialogue in the chapter this may need to be re-evaluated. Otherwise, those Edo Tensei's were as good as corpses.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 15:18, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

chapter 598, a new variant
Isn't it? maybe worthy a picture and a mention--Elveonora (talk) 14:53, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Definitely a variation. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:41, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

As for the new variants, I'm confused on how Tobi created them like that. I understand if he used his S/T jutsu to bring them to him, but it doesn't look like something the Statue would create. 173.63.93.233 (talk) 23:56, August 23, 2012 (UTC) Bobbob

Maybe he is a blacksmith--Elveonora (talk) 00:01, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

I'm wondering about that...they look more like a giant version of Nagato's disruption blades, or a new weapon altogether that's related to the blades and receivers...remember those things aren't for offensive use, but to transmit Nagato/Tobi's chakra and control the Six Paths, while the blades were to paralyze and disrupt a foe's chakra flow...this however was stated as a weapon that seals tailed beast powers, so i'm not quite sure. Darksusanoo (talk) 00:58, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

either way, tobi couldv'e simply altered their shape (before or after they were made). they seemed like chakra recievers that were just shaped diferently besides wev'e never seen them being created. still they are almost certainly chakra recievers, as they made those outer path chains and were being used to suppress tailed beasts' power.98.26.246.122 (talk) 01:17, August 24, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan

um creation of all things?206.74.210.130 (talk) 02:58, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Creation of All Things so far has only been said to be used by the Sage of the Six Paths. 173.63.93.233 (talk) 17:31, August 24, 2012 (UTC) Bobbob

From how i see it this shouldn't chalked up with the chakra receivers, given how their functions are very different...one is used to control the Six Paths of Pain, the other ones are used to restrain Tailed Beasts, plus the differences in shape and size...if a different article was made for the blade variant which is basically an elongated version of the receivers than these should get the same treatment. Darksusanoo (talk) 17:16, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Split. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:53, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

origins
Kinda confused now, do they come from the statue/Hashirama's clone/Madara ??? They also sprouted from Obito, wonder why it isn't mentioned.--Elveonora (talk) 16:28, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * The rods are from the Outer Path. Madara could have simply let the statue send the receiver down there or something. As for the bit with Obito, it's being held off on precisely for that reason.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 16:47, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * The rods are made utilizing yin-yang release. One needs either the rinnegan or both senju and uchiha dna to make them. Proof of this is when obito first made them when he first activated his mangekyo sharingan. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 04:47, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * No proof Obito made them. They don't look like something one happens to make. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:59, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Small topic revival, this has been answered on narutoanswerswiki:

"Nagato generated these Chakra Disruption Blades using his Outer Path ability. As a result, his Six Paths of Pain, which were also generated using the Outer Path ability, could produce them apparently limitlessly from their bodies. The Gedou Mazou, the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path, also has a collection of Chakra Tranmittors, aka Black Rods, connected to it. However, these were created by Madara before his death and contain his will, allowing the user to not only control the Statue, but to use the Six Paths Technique as well. Nagato summoned the Gedo Mazo and synchronized with Madara's chakra tranmittors and the Gedou Mazou during his fight with Hanzo, after the battle he would use the transmittors in his Outer Path: Six Paths of Pain jutsu to transmit chakra to other Chakra Receivers which doubled as body piercings on the six corpses, and these receivers were generated by the Outer Path ability as well."

There appears to be some confusion if they originate from the Jubi or Madara and later Obito made them using Outer Path.--Elveonora (talk) 12:09, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Too much confusion right now, i believe this black metal (Chakra Receivers) we see going out from Obito's body has nothing to do with the black roots, this is not created by Madara's will at all, and i believe it is only a YYR technique, this has nothing to do with WR, Nagato didn't had WR. Again, everyone is very confused here .Dan.Faulkner (talk) 01:14, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Red reflection
So, I see that the red reflection trivia point was removed. I do recall that, having added it myself, but I'm too lazy to look it up again. I'm certain it happened during Naruto vs Pain, possibly around the time Hinata intervened. If anyone wants to check. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:25, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Name
It was named in Naruto Shippūden: Shinobi Rumble, Kokushin (Black Needle). Should we mention about it or name it like that ?--Salamancc (talk) 23:28, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Already is mentioned, check "In Other Media" section. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:23, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

I think, we should rename this page Black Needle, it was named in the games.--Salamancc (talk) 00:41, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Separate by Users
Seeing as how it's difficult to say what the differences are between the receivers and the blades (assuming there even are any) and it is also tough to call where the technique creating these black rods ends and the usage of them as tools begins, might it be better to divide the article into sections for each user and explain how they utilised the black material, rather than by divide them by "type" (stakes, rods, etc.)?--BeyondRed (talk) 17:55, August 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * The main problem with this idea is that there would be tons of repetition in each user section. Joshbl  56  01:06, August 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * The main information we know would be under usage. The user sections would be for details and specific uses (Obito's stakes and chakra chains, for example).--BeyondRed (talk) 01:34, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Blood
Aren't we going to include that it was stated by Kishimoto that these things were created by mixing Nagato's Chakra and his blood (which obviously contradicts with what we know now)? Seelentau 愛議 00:27, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Question...where did you found that bit of information? Darksusanoo (talk) 00:30, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I never did, I just read it on another talk page, where it was stated that Kishimoto said so in one of the author comments at the beginning of each WSJ, but I don't have more information about that. If someone had access to all WSJ issues, he could look it up, since but I'm not able to do that. Seelentau 愛議 00:35, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hum...well maybe we should wait for someone to bring some link with that information or something...unless he can get details, this kind of hear-say can create a lot of confusion. Opinions? Darksusanoo (talk) 00:38, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I recall reading and commenting on that too once, maybe even removing the trivia when the source wasn't available. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:40, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

I have a personal interest in solving this topic, but there's almost no way to confirm or deny this, unless someone actually owns the WSJ issue. But I don't even know when exactly this was said, so I can't search for the respective WSJ... can someone find the discussion where this was said? Seelentau 愛議 12:38, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, that didn't take long: Talk:Chakra Disruption Blades. Now where to find chapter 438 and the WSJ it was published in...? It's four years old, though^^' Seelentau 愛議 12:46, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

One would have thought that something as important had to have made its way into the manga or databooks, bad Kishi. Have you tried googling "chakra receivers blood" or something like that?--Elveonora (talk) 13:31, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the first result was this talk page (or the other one) Seelentau 愛議 13:44, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it may be false, I mean, what a nonsense... did you not see the poor old guy? He surely looked malnourished, spilling his own blood to make sticks doesn't sound exactly like something one would do with death on his tongue. But perhaps he did that for the means of diabetes diagnosis... after all, being connected to a plant must have given him overdose of sugars and even induce madness.--Elveonora (talk) 14:06, December 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I created a thread over at mangahelpers, maybe someone will answer... Seelentau 愛議 15:05, December 18, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, what I gathered so far is that the related WSJ issue was published on 9th March 2009 +- one week. Furthermore, I found this spoiler which was labelled as pending, but we know better. This sentence is the important one:

ナルトの動きを止めていた黒棒は長門のチャクラを練りこんだ自らの血を材料に形を維持している

It says The black rods (黒棒, Kokubō) which stopped Naruto's movement are Nagato's Chakra..., the rest is kinda complicated to translate. However, would that suffice as proof? I'm searching for a page where I can get the whole issue next. Seelentau 愛議 10:34, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

You mean if it's pending status suffice as proof? Dunno, we could always use a warning template. But from what you have translated so far, I fail to see blood mentioned in there :- /--Elveonora (talk) 14:38, December 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * 血 is the Kanji for blood, but I translated only the part until チャクラ, everything after that comes later, when I can concentrate on it better. Eh, whatever. I actually talked to a raw-provider-group and they told me they'd ask their Japanese friends if they could get their hands on a copy of that issue. So maybe we'll have a scan of the raw page soon and I can double-check the above sentence. Seelentau 愛議 14:50, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

Well, if that proves to be correct, then Nagato must have had excessive amounts of iron in his blood. Why didn't he think of becoming a blacksmith is what I wonder tho. Joking aside, thank you for your efforts pal--Elveonora (talk) 15:06, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so I got help from a fellow translator and a possible translation for that sentence is The black rods (黒棒, Kokubō) which stopped Naruto's movement are kneaded with Nagato's Chakra and held in form by the components of his own blood. Seelentau 愛議 12:13, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, if you find a good way to incorporate that to the article, go for it.--Elveonora (talk) 12:47, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

The stakes
B mentioned the stakes had curse marks. Was there already a discussion on this? And I don't remember this in the manga. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 16:56, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

I'd also like to know this??? and I don't think there's been a discussion on this yet.Munchvtec (talk) 16:58, January 9, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec

There has. Seelentau 愛議 17:21, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

Outer Path
Can I get a source for the Outer Path being the origin for this technique? Seelentau 愛議 18:23, January 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * Think it was an offshoot of the Will Materialization thing.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 19:00, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * It doesn't say origin, only that the whole will control thingy is done with Rinnegan's Outer Path.--Elveonora (talk) 19:06, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * It says "This ability, used by Rinnegan users through the Outer Path, creates multi-purpose black rods", meaning "the jutsu to create the rods is used through the outer path". But that was never said, if I remember correctly. Seelentau 愛議 19:32, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, that never was said, so it is an assumption/speculation. But Outer Path is still needed to use the rods, so it being a parent isn't wrong. There's lots of conflicting and vague information about the origins of the rods.--Elveonora (talk) 21:34, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * I wished they just stayed Pain's thing...--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 22:09, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * And I wish Kishi would realize that we aren't detectives paid to glue all the clues together to make any sense of it. Databook 4 nowhere, check, anime Soundtrack 3 nowhere, check. They are like: "shit will be ending soon, so we can afford to be lazy since once it's over, they gonna forget anyway while we be grabbin' the cash"--Elveonora (talk) 23:59, January 11, 2014 (UTC)

If my memory serves me correctly, I recall this ability was accredited to the Outer Path, due to it being in relation to the Gedo Mazo statue. (Even I, the creator of this page, has a vague recollection of the events leading to it.)--KotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 00:32, January 12, 2014 (UTC)