Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36006024-20180926134241/@comment-34194151-20181016004105

@Blazerelease, No, I have yet to use headcanon actually.

We have seen multiple chakra infused objects blocking or stalling the burning of amaterasu. Gaara's sand, Ayy's chakra armor, naruto's kn1 cloak. I have no reason to believe that gyuki's v2 cloak can't do it. Killer bee used all of his strength? Lol, but how does that make sense when we have seen him fighting for extended periods of time in bijuu mode during the 4 Shinobi world war? Killer bee may have lost most of his strength, but gyuki still had more in the tank and bijuu can give chakra. Killer bee didn't even show off his best techniques, like his bijuu dama barrage, or tentacles that can obliterate a forest, or his ink clones, or his partial transformations in base. Sauske literally showed his entire hand to bee, while bee had several moves left. Sasuke at the time didn't have any mastery over susano'o. Bee literally outplayed sasuke at every turn. He was the superior opponent, and his jinchuriki powers are part of his arsenal. There is no shame in him using abilities he has access to. Gyuki even tells you that killer bee didn't even need bijuu mode, he had the upper hand. Sasuke had a crater in his chest. Killer bee could have simply entered V2 and blitzed jugo and karin while they were debating on how to heal sasuke, and then there would have been nothing they could do about it. Furthermore, none of taka's attacks even put down base bee. Bee tanked jugo's punch. Bee was also relatively unaffected by the chidori attack, as he recovered so quickly he could shunshin across the mountain before jugo even noticed. taka was legit child's play for bee. Bee isn't overrated. sasuke is hella overrated, so that's why kishimoto had him fight bee. to provide a humbling experience for all the sasuke fanboys out there.

The intel argument is just an excuse. Killer bee had little to intel. All he knew was standard knowledge that everyone knows about sharingan. he did not know sasuke's precise mangeyko abilities, it was literally impossible to know because sasuke only recently unlocked his mangeyko. Killer bee had never seen sasuke or any of the taka members before. he didn't know what they were capable of. Why does it matter that killer bee is a raiton user? it's irrelevant. The bottomline is that he reacted to sasuke's raiton sword and countered it. the bottomline is that he outplayed him in swordsmanship. Inexperience and lack of knowledge are a part of the game. Sasuke was less experienced than bee, that's part of the reason he lost. It's obvious he had less experience. killer bee is literally like in his mid-30s and spent the greater part of his youth fighting in a world war. sasuke had also never fought a perfect jinchuriki before, so it was obvious he was gonna lose. That's the whole point, smh.

Minato represented konoha and fought ayy and bee during the 3rd shinobi world war. This is a clear as day manga fact. I don't know what to tell you. when minato became the 4th hokage, the war came to an end. The third hokage ended the war himself with a peace treaty and then declared minato the 4th hokage. I then PROVED, that ayy and bee were strictly a tag team because they used the double lariat together. It means anyone ayy fights, bee is also fighting. I'm almost sure you didn't even reread the chapter I cited based on your comment. Furthermore, we already saw minato can defeat Ayy with low difficulty, it was bee who had to save ayy. Minato never expressed killer intent against killer bee either, you literally missed the dialogue between them. Minato was given the retreat signal. Minato then said killer bee was a fine shinobi. It's obvious that Minato fought bee and ayy to a stalemate many times. After the death of the third raikage, Ayy then restricted bee from fighting. It's clear that ayy and bee fought together against minato the vast majority of times, if not all of them.

I honestly don't get what your issue is with bee's substitution. To me, it's simply coming across as hypocrisy. sasuke gets to counter itachi's amaterasu using oral rebirth, and you don't bat an eye. Sasuke was initially in pain from the amaterasu as well. escaping a jutsu and countering the jutsu don't have to be the same thing, the point is that the jutsu didn't kill or incapacitate. but when killer bee gets to do it to sasuke, it's suddenly plot? We clearly see that in bijuu mode, killer bee resides in the center of gyuki. what killer bee did is simple. he quickly moved to one of the tentacles when he saw sasuke about to cut it with chidori, and had already left a clone in the center of gyuki. Killer bee has shown to be a quick thinker, so now you are downplaying his intellect? He doesn't seem like the shrewd type. with his dumb rapping and all, but he is actually pretty shrewd. he instantly understood how minato's FTG worked and protected Ayy. then he also predicted that minato would teleport behind him.

Without sasuke's intervention, killer bee would have to do what they did when madara absorbed gyuki into gedo mazou sure, sasuke may have noticed killer bee's escape mechanism, but then killer bee simply is forced to continue fighting as normal. He then continues to whoop taka's behind, just like he was doing the entire fight. Killer bee clearly stated he wanted to get the chance to escape from the village to get free time. if he goes and kills taka, then those two hidden cloud dudes would see that he was still alive, and he wouldn't be able to escape the village the way he did. that is the only reason killer bee didn't come back and lariat each of their heads off.

Again, your healing argument doesn't make sense. What unhealable wounds did he sustain from itachi exactly? Karin and jugo are two of the best healers we have seen in the manga. I can just as easily play your game and say jugo saying that is plot, just so sasuke can save face from the humiliation killer bee handed down to him lol.

My point about sasuke's amaterasu is simple. He DID NOT KNOW that he had the ability to extinguish the flames beforehand. Sasuke said that himself, chapter 415 pg 9, he was like, "is that my mangeyko power"?He literally only discovered that ability because karin was gonna die from the flames. that proves that when he used amaterasu on gyuki, he was going for the kill, period. and killer bee thought of plan to counter it on the fly. he was already planning which tentacle to to move into and how he can do it without taka noticing. sasuke simply gave him an easy opportunity when he used his chidori spear. Only after sasuke discovered that he could extinguish the flames, did he go back to trying to capture bee alive. this is literally stated on panel, hence why I stated you were using headcanon. Sasuke was bloodlusted, trying to protect himself and his team, and went for the kill, and killer bee still trolled him.

and rofl. The raikage would have defeated the sasuke that bee fought with low difficulty, even in v1. Sasuke charges with chidori, ayy tanks, then Ayy liger bombs. actually scratch that. ayy would lariat his head off too. And lol, no, Raikage would cut off his leg and arm and have his medic heal him. Raikage would be a cripple, but he at least avenged bee and killed sasuke. gaara saved sasuke's life on that panel. and ayy would be able to live. It's clear sasuke isn't anywhere close to being the strongest bee fought.