Talk:Tailed Beast

Capture
In the manga, do we know that Kokuō, Saiken and Chōmei were all in jinchūriki while they were being sealed within the statue, as apposed to them roaming freely like Isobu before being sealed? Im only asking because we list Han, Utakata & Fū's cause of death is from their TB being extracted, which would only be correct if we knew all 3 were captured by Akatsuki. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 11:28, April 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * bump. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 14:07, April 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, when the Kazekage Rescue Team reached the Akatsuki hideout where Shukaku was extracted, Deidara did taunt Naruto with the knowledge that the previous jinchuriki they captured were sort of seen with a "good riddance" attitude from their villages. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:28, April 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * I thought as much, but that still only accounts for 2 of them, not 3. So its speculation to say Han, Utakata & Fū were all captured by Akatsuki in the manga. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 09:46, April 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * We know for certain two of them were, and in the anime, Utakata's arc means it was Han and Fū. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:23, April 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * If something is confirmed in the anime, it should be labeled "in the anime" at least. For now im just going to move the information to their trivia, like with Bunpuku being revealed to be Shukaku's first jinchūriki in the anime. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 12:09, April 22, 2016 (UTC)

Ten-Tails
If a jinchūriki is someone who has a TB sealed inside them, and Hagoromo and Obito were classified as jinchūriki, then the Ten-Tails is a TB no? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 02:04, November 19, 2017 (UTC)


 * Technically still no. The Ten-Tails is a demon and the origin of the tailed beasts. It by itself however is not a tailed beast.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 04:59, November 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Technically, it's an alien princess mutated into a giant blob after ingesting a magical tree of mystical origins, worshiped as a deity. Sure, you can call the Ten-Tails a Tailed Beast if you want... I say it's just a case of very bad food poisoning.--Elve Talk Page 12:33, November 19, 2017 (UTC)

Siblings
All of the Tailed Beasts have Hagoromo listed as "Creator" in their "Relationship" session. So, shouldn't each Tailed Beast be listed as "Sibling". Like, in Kurama's article, have Shukaku, Matatabi, etc. all separately listed as "Sibling" since they were all created by the same person?

HygorBohmHubner (talk) 06:25, May 14, 2020 (UTC)

Kurama's Death
Kurama literally tells Naruto the next time Naruto sees him will be on the other side. It's blatantly obvious what that means. Normally when a TB dies they later reform, but in the case of Baryon Mode usage it is clearly different. There shouldn't even be a need for a talk page discussion if certain people actually paid attention to the manga. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 03:44, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * What Kurama said can be interpet in others ways so we can't really be certain that is the case until more detail is reveal Cdswalkthrough (talk) 04:47, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * No, it can't. What he said is pretty clear. Kurama is gone. Now things like Edo Tensei, Rinne Tensei and such exist so maybe later down the line a resurrection tech is used to bring him back but as is, he is GONE. You can't seem to accept this, and it is ridiculous. He's an anime/manga character and these characters die, it happens. Of course this could be changed and they have him re-appear later but until that happens all evidence points to him being dead for good. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 05:13, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * His precise words, are "So if you overdo it, you'll end up joining me in no time." "But until that day comes... ...You be well... ...Naruto." and in context he is referring to Naruto one day dying and joing him. Kurama has ZERO doubts he is going to remain dead. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 05:19, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I just want point out it not possible for a Tailed Beast to be dead permantly it was literally stated that when a Tailed Beast dies, it just reappears over time on some part of the world. If Kurama is dead permantly then it would contradict this fact I think you're taking what Kurama said too literally yes of course if anime/manga characters died they died but you should've paid attention to fact that has been establish in Naruto Cdswalkthrough (talk) 07:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Normally yes, but no tailed beast has used a sacrificial tech such as Baryon Mode, and you are failing to understand that. It was also never said it was impossible for them to die forever you made that up. In fact Sasuke even says he is going to kill and get rid of the tailed beasts after he kills Naruto and the Kage. It is quite clear there are ways to kill them for good. Here's a tip for you, newer information beats out older information, and in some cases that means a retcon happened while in others that means users like you didn't fully understand what was and was not stated. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 11:27, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * No I fully understand but I had my doubts What Sasuke's said that he was once going to do back then doesn't mean anything and there is no evidence that Sasuke could have know a method to permantly killed a Tailed Beast and you're taken things too literally and what you said about this new information beat out old information is not true if anything it started to contradict each other. If it was a just any other character then I woundn't need to doubt anything but Kurama's death being permanant is different matter you can't simply conclude that his death is permanant when they not much detail that prove his death is permantly plus it was never stated that there is a way that a for tailed beast to died permantly either --Cdswalkthrough (talk) 15:50, 20 February 2021 (UTC)


 * You clearly don't know how context, retcons, and story advancements go into play here. Sasuke stating he can kill and get rid of the TB's comes after the information about TB's reforming when dying meaning there IS a way to kill them off permanently. Baryon Mode which is sacrificial power up comes even after that FURTHER showing that there are ways a tailed beast can die permanently. It's the same as when we got new but conflicting information about the Otsutsuki and the Ten Tails in the Boruto manga compared to the old info from the Naruto manga. Kurama made it clear he will be dead for good, and one day when Naruto finally dies he will see Kurama on the other side. That is how it works, what YOU think based on OLD information does not change this. Kurama is dead and gone and there ARE ways a Tailed Beast can die permanently. Also where are the moderators? Your input would be appreciated in this too considering it was one of you who locked the page and wanted a talk page thread made about this. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 16:14, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

No I'm not and You're clearly taking things what is stated too literally and you don't have proof you can't just take what Sasuke said as fact when there is no clear information that support it while Baryon Mode is a sacrificial power it doesn't prove that it can kill Kurama permantly I don't think what Kurama's said doesn't nesscery mean that he dead permantly for good unless there is new information. So you can't conclude that there is way the tailed beast can be kill off permantly and right now there are too many thing that are contradict each other regarding the tailed beast Cdswalkthrough (talk) 17:01, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Can others users step in please? He doesn't understand nor comprehend what is being pointed out to him at all. I need more people to chime in so we can get this settled, there is no talking with him.BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 17:07, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * These kind of petty arguments don't really help anyone. It's accurate to say that you are posting what your opinion is of reading the chapter, and other users have come to alternative conclusions: your opinion isn't the "be all and end all", as it were.
 * I agree with Cdswalkthrough: the statement from Kurama can be read many ways, there is no definitive answers and to make the assumption that "Kurama is dead" is speculative at best because, for all we know, this chapter could just be for "shock value".
 * Until more information is provided, there should be no attempt to assume that Kurama is dead: nothing in the newer chapters has retconned anything from a previous chapter. IMO, the wiki should assume he is Incapacitated (based on previous sources regarding Tailed Beasts) since there is also no evidence to suggest it is a "retcon" either, given Kurama had already "claimed to have lied to Naruto" prior to using Baryon Mode.
 * (Also, please indent your comments with colons so that the discussion is easily readable to other users). --Sajuuk 17:17, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I mentioned it in the other talkpage, but Kurama makes it clear. He even gives his reasoning for lying to Naruto. Baryon Mode consumed all of his chakra. Incapacitation implies he's still around, on their planet, in some form. At the very least, Kurama is gone at this moment. Deceased should be fine. I see no difference between disappearing and dying. Munchvtec (talk) 17:27, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * There would be no reason for Kurama to tell Naruto will "join him if he overdoes it", and "until that day comes.", if he's just going to reappear. It's super obvious what Kurama means here. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 17:49, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Well until more information is reveal in future chapters let stop talked about this until everything is clarified so let not add anything else regard Kurama's fate until everything is clear Cdswalkthrough (talk) 18:52, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Let me be first to say, if I am coming off as a bit rude to you. I'm not being rude to you, I'm being frank with you. I am not here to be nice to you.
 * Secondly how about no, you don't get to decide that, period. We will wait on the input of more users and to again be frank with you, you're wrong. So there is no sense commenting further until we get a decision from a majority on this. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 18:58, 20 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I agreed waiting for someone input and getting a decision from a majority but let me tell you this it was just only a suggestion not something I decide okay and it only the majority choice whether they heed my suggestion or not I just simply expressing my option and doubts and I'm not expecting you to be nice to me alright so let stop talking until someone step in. Cdswalkthrough (talk) 19:46, 20 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Do not remove words from my posts again. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 19:49, 20 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry that was accident my bad Cdswalkthrough (talk) 20:09, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I have not fine-combed through everything that has been said so far, so forgive me if I'm not threading new ground. Everyone knows this is a franchise where canon is whatever the writer throws at the wall, whether it makes sense with what came before or not. What happened now can just as easily be undone or further complicated 10 chapters from now. Whenever a situation where such conflicts of information arise, here's what I try to do: I don't assume either information is wrong. I look at them, and ask if there is any interpretation of what is known that accounts for both pieces of information being correct. Is it a sane, sensible interpretation, or is it a pretzel made of moon logic? Right now, unless I'm forgetting something, I don't think we have a pretzel. The established "tailed beasts reform after death" has only been established (again, assuming I'm not forgetting anything) for cases in which the tailed beast dies because of jinchuriki death. The only source of information we have on Baryon Mode is Kurama, so it all comes down to whether you take what Kurama says at face value. Kurama is a tailed beast, so I take it as a reasonable authority on how tailed beasts work. Kurama claims, or at least genuinely appears to believe that it's going to get a permadeath, so I believe it has permadied. With only the information we have as of chapter 55, to me, Kurama is deceased. Even if it had died a non-permanent death, to be respawned at a later moment like with dying with jinchuriki, I believe it should be listed as deceased, because it would have yet to respawn. I don't know if Kurama will remain dead. I can see it as a way to nerf Naruto, much like taking Sasuke's Rinnegan nerfs him. Some entirely new mechanic could be introduced to bring Kurama back. Maybe Boruto and Himawari having whiskers was always a hint they had traces of Kurama chakra. Maybe the Sage's tools gathering dust in Tenten's shop still have traces from holding the Gold and Silver Brothers. Maybe Naruto has some Kurama chakra stash hidden away, split off like Yin and Yang Kurama. Maybe the chakra from the other tailed beasts means they can regenerate Kurama since they were spawned from the same Ten-Tails. Maybe Kishimoto will take the a page from the time travel plot with Urashiki from the anime to get Kurama chakra from some point in the past. But right now at the end of chapter 55, to me the Kurama inside Naruto is dead. Was my wall of text sensible or was it pretzel? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:49, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I agree until something changes, he is permadead. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 06:40, 21 February 2021 (UTC)