Talk:Naruto Uzumaki

Unknow Jutsu
What is the Jutsu that Naruto still hasn't completed yet? I know Jiraiya told him not to do it and when he got the Key to the Seal he was told he could complete it now.

It's the tailed beast ball? Right? 166.147.89.155 (talk) 02:37, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not the Tailed Beast Ball as Killer Bee tried to teach him that. We currently don't know what it is as it's not named on this page.  Joshbl56  03:33, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Pretty sure Jiraiya told him 'not to use that power', i.e Kurama's chakra. About all we know about this unknown technique is that Minato created it, laying the foundation on which Jiraiya and Naruto would further develop it, and that to use it Naruto had to first gain control of Kurama's chakra. Skitts (talk) 04:18, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Usuratonkachi
Can 'Usuratonkachi' be included in the infobox? Just wondering. KazeKitsune (talk) 00:57, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whut's thaaat?--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 16:50, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

He is just trolling... it's what Sasuke used to call Naruto, a useless clumsy idiot/dumbass. I don't think we should list that as his title/nickname lol--Elveonora (talk) 22:36, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * But Sakura and Ino had nicknames like Dekorin (forehead girl) and Ino-buta (Ino-pig) respectively. So why not Naruto? KazeKitsune (talk) 22:53, December 6, 2012 (UTC)

Trying to come up with a good anti-argument... O_O someone help me, I had no idea till now that Sakura and Ino have those things in their infobox--Elveonora (talk) 22:59, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * If that was used more than once, and exclusively to Naruto (unlike, let's say, "scaredy cat", which both Sasuke and Naruto called each other at some point), and if it's properly referenced, fine by me. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:13, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

cleanup idea
It's pointless to have this when a redirect to Naruto Uzumaki's Jinchūriki Forms would be more than enough, don't you think? Why to have noted the same thing twice?--Elveonora (talk) 12:55, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Removing it completely won't be right... Maybe we could shorten it more.~ Ultimate  Supreme  13:00, January 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yep, shortening. "As a host of Kurama, the Nine-Tails, Naruto benefits from this and that, refer to his jinchuriky transformations article for more information" or something akin to that.--Elveonora (talk) 13:04, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * One line and repetition of the ?
 * It should have atleast a paragraph of good quality, maybe similar to what is in its Relationships section.~ Ultimate  Supreme  13:26, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that was just an example that I have used. That goes for jinchuriky section. Overall, his whole abilities section should be streamlined. For example, I don't think we should note him making a Rasengan without Shadow Clones or two of them at once WITH Kurama's chakra (this should stay purely in host forms article) the reason for this is because everyone with Kurama's chakra can do things they couldn't before. It's not Naruto's own skill--Elveonora (talk) 13:42, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Correction to many pages
The correction I am speaking of is the Drilling Air Bullets listed under ninjutsu that Naruto can use. It says it is only used in a game. I think they are talking about Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3, where he can use Wind Release: Air Bullets, not Drilling Air Bullets. It should be changed to such, since the Naruto, Drilling Air Bullets, and Air Bullet page are all incorrect. I am not sure how to change it, so I am posting this so someone else will. 192.183.30.172 (talk) 02:50, January 29, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 * The customisable wind technique Naruto can use in that game actually is Wind Release: Drilling Air Bullet, the kanji are the same. The reason it shows in Naruto's infobox is due to a software but in the extension used to make the infoboxes, something not easily fixable from our end. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:05, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to correct you, but I have the game on right now and it is Wind Release: Air Bullets. There is a separate page for air bullets. the only one who uses the drilling air bullet is the one tails. BUT since you say it is difficult to change, I won't ask you to correct it. Just please realize that it is in fact on the wrong page. Thanks! 192.183.30.172 (talk) 05:56, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 * And if you would bother looking at the article on that technique, you would see that Air Bullet is how the name of this technique was translated in English, for example, on TV. We add different translations if they differ between themselves. I have seen screenshots of the game in Japanese, and the kanji are the same. There's a reason we go to lengths to have the kanji of techniques, so we can get proper translations. Viz does a good job on dialogue, but the name of stuff sometimes gets change so instead of accuracy, it's either better sounding or simpler to understand. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:47, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

ok lets just mention pure logic. which is more likely: naruto using a technique that only the one tails can use or the one that is listed as a wind style jutsu that could technically be learned by anyone? come on. if you dont understand that there is a page for wind style air bullets here it is. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Wind_Release:_Air_Bullets simple enough. 192.183.30.172 (talk) 21:23, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 * That is an unnamed technique article. When manga or anime shows a technique without naming it, we create the article on the technique using a descriptive, generic name for it. That article in question was created when Nagato used that in an anime exclusive sequence, in March, last year. The game in which Naruto used the technique was released in 2009. And also, I should remind you: Naruto used the technique in a game. If you search for the kanji for other custom techniques from that game we also have articles on, specifically "雷遁・雷震閃" and "水遁・大鉄砲玉", you will find sites that list the kanji for custom jutsu certain characters can use. Among them, you will see the kanji for Shukaku's Wind Release technique. And to put the final nail on this topic: here is a thread in a forum, with screenshots of the game in Japanese (the forum is in Chinese, the screenshots are in Japanese). In the second image below the character selection screen, where custom jutsu are selectable, you will see the kanji for that Wind Release. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:39, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

It can have the same kanji and still have a different meaning. the names are so similar that they would probably have the same one. i dont know much about the japanese language, but this is the case with basically every language ever. but thats all i feel like arguing on this one case. Try not to base your whole argument on only one thing. 192.183.30.172 (talk) 21:58, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam

Taijutsu benchmark
So, looking through some recent changes to the article, I noticed someone readded a sentence to Naruto's taijutsu section, mentioning his taijutsu performance against Itachi. I know Itachi is great and all, but since when does he figure as a taijutsu benchmark? Itachi hardly has any taijutsu feats to reliably make him something to compare taijutsu aptitude with. If you want to go with databooks stats, yes he's skilled, but so is Orochimaru in genjutsu. I recall removing something like that last year. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:56, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Sharingan user + high taijutsu score = fast.--Elveonora (talk) 21:01, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

High taijutsu score means skill, not power. Sharingan itself isn't speed, just perception. I get the speed argument though, but those are not quite the arguments to make for it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:39, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Naruto's taijutsu is certainly above average, just look at people like Shikamaru, Ino and pretty much his peers, I'm yet to see them do some serious taijutsu fight... the only capable are Lee, Choji, Sakura, Hinata and perhaps Kiba (R.I.P. Neji) and the only one who can equal him in terms of physical strength and speed is Lee. But not to talk only about strength and speed, his fighting style/technique also matters... he knows frog punches and kicks and **** Being equal in taijutsu to not-ill Itachi who has a Sharingan thus can follow and predict movements speaks for itself alone, but if that's not enough for ya, then take into consideration the above as well, so... Oh, he also managed to keep up with Pain in his base mode for a short while and deflected Sasuke's kunai meant to kill Sakura--Elveonora (talk) 22:16, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not trying to downplay Naruto's taijutsu, I'm just saying that comparing it to Itachi's doesn't feel like the way to sell it. It's like saying pizza is good because the dough is tasty. Pizza is good, but dough isn't what gives it flavour. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:21, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Tabs in articles
I have an idea about having tabs ('Introduction', 'History', and 'Abilities') for long character articles (i.e. Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, etc.), like these examples (,, and ). What do you guys think? KazeKitsune (talk) 22:19, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

I like this idea.--Deva 27 22:58, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Glad you like! The only thing is that I don't how to get it done. Anybody know how? KazeKitsune (talk) 01:09, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * When you mentioned tabs, I thought it had something to do with the tabber extension we use for tabbed images in infoboxes, but from what I can glance at, what those sites did was simply a fancier version of what we do with archives. It's a sub-page of an article, created in it's namespace (for example, "Naruto Uzumaki/Abilites" and "Naruto Uzumaki/History"). Same thing anyone in this wiki has done to make a personal sandbox or page. ShounenSuki's translation pages, my elemental recomposition table, it's pretty much the same, but done in our user namespaces. They're completely separate articles. Basically, we'd do what we did to jinchūriki transformations to a much bigger part of the article, and then add a fancy template with links to it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:25, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Why do we need tabs? We already have a TOC for easy navigation and if you think size is a problem, you can make sections collapsible.~ Ultimate  Supreme  04:29, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * I still prefer tabs. Anyone else? KazeKitsune (talk) 05:14, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not too sure what I think about this, not a fan of the whole tabber because from an editor's point of view, it's a lot more to manage but conversely, it's supposed to help persons who take longer to load pages right? At the same time, it is really that hampering that it requires this? --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 05:34, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it isn't that hampering. I can load the entire Naruto page within a minute even from a very slow connection from my mobile. And thats the reason why collapsibles exist in the first place.~ Ultimate  Supreme  06:57, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * A tabbed article using the code would actually be a good idea imo. --Speysider Talk Page 08:12, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Using won't do any good. The page would have to load fully and then it would be converted into tabs. It would only disturb the flow and format of the article and defeat the purpose of TOC.~ Ultimate  Supreme  12:01, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Naruto has Gyuki's chakra?
It has recently come to my attention that in chapter 496, when Gyuki tried to pull Kurama's chakra from it, the fox sliced off Gyuki's tentacles and absorbed back not only its chakra, but some of Gyuki's as well. Even in the shippuden episode 245 had displayed that. Does that mean Naruto already has Gyuki's chakra? KazeKitsune (talk) 10:08, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've always considered that he had. If it's not mentioned in the article, it's probably to play it on the safe side. Also, avoid links. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:53, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

You are forgetting that Gyuki was present during the fist bumping party as well, it didn't require Kishi to draw a panel of it telling Naruto it's name since he knows already. He has chakra of 8 tailed beasts, Shukaku's is missing, unless he managed to absorb some of it's chakra during the forehead incident with Gaara in Part I. ;D--Elveonora (talk) 23:22, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * We have seen Naruto and B fist bump and stuff, but Gyuki didn't give him the chakra personally through a fist bump, he might have already gotten it by accident as I mentioned it from above (there were other tentacles lying about in Naruto's subconscious in chapter 497 and Kurama might have absorbed them after the fight in chapter 499). Plus, Naruto hasn't even said Gyuki's name, only its nickname "Hattsuan" in chapter 598 page 6 (its real name only appeared within Kurama's flashbacks of the Sage of the Six Paths), so we STILL don't know if he already knows. Naruto didn't recieve Shukaku's chakra nor did it give some to him willingly; besides it still hasn't come to terms with Naruto like the other tailed beasts had yet. KazeKitsune (talk) 23:48, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Tools
OK first off he never owned Chakra blades. Asuma lent him his once so that shouldn't be their. and second when did he ever use a sword? (Evilpuppy (talk) 04:14, March 16, 2013 (UTC))

He trained using one. But you may be refering to the one that He used in the 4th Shippūden Movie. Though I can't remember when He wielded a sword at the moment.--Yomiko-chan (talk) 04:51, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I've never seen the 4th movie so I'll have to take your word for it. but what about the chakra blades? (Evilpuppy (talk) 18:47, March 16, 2013 (UTC))
 * What do mean "what about the Chakra Blades"? I just said He used Asuma's for training a little in the Manga, and for like 3 episodes in the Anime. He used them enough and (eventually) showed enough skill with them, for Him to be list as a user of them. In the 4th Shippūden Movie He also used a special type of Chakra Blade, which He also showed skill with. I dunno when He used a Sword.--Yomiko-chan (talk) 20:08, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, like I said I've never seen the fourth movie. I thought you were just talking about the sword. (Evilpuppy (talk) 04:13, March 19, 2013 (UTC))
 * There's an archived discussion about that somewhere, don't recall if in the tool, character or episode. I don't recall the reasoning behind it, but it was obviously decided not to list him. If I had to guess, maybe something about the way he used it. We don't list B as a Kubikiribocho because of something like that as well. And we waited until Kakashi had actually used to sword to list him as well. It's not just a you touched it, you wielded it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:05, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

You sure Omni sensei? So why is Gaara listed as a user of Johyo ???--Elveonora (talk) 12:34, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's only a guess, I remember the discussion, not the details of it. And anyway, as a user pointed out in an edit summary, Naruto used the blades in an OVA, so that counts as anime. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:38, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'm talking about the sword, I'm okay with blades. Just realized it's game only and as we know erroneously showing up in his infobox while it shouldn't I guess. Thought he held one in anime/ova for a second and as a response to ur "holding =/= using" I wrote the above and questioned Gaara's usage of that rope since he only demonstrated it, never attacked anyone (I think) and that brings another topic, should Gaara be listed as a user of Johyo at all? It looked more like gymnastics to me--Elveonora (talk) 16:00, March 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * If he had the skill to instruct someone on it's use and demonstrate, he should be listed. --Questionaredude (talk) 16:04, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Gaara shouldn't be listed as a Johyo user, he's listed as such? Great, now I have to periodically click "expand" in the tool use section of infoboxes to see if someone is a user of something they shouldn't be. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:16, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

So if I hold a sword and swing without managing to cut myself in the process, does that make me a Kenjutsu specialist? They are ninja, fast reflexes and precise movements, what he did could be done with laces if he wanted or a jump rope EDIT: @Omni, glad u agree--Elveonora (talk) 16:21, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Chakra Flow
Shouldn't Chakra Flow be counted as a Jutsu? (Evilpuppy (talk) 04:23, March 19, 2013 (UTC))

No. Just like how Shape Transformation and Genjutsu aren't Jutsu, neither is Chakra Flow. It is a type of Jutsu.--Yomiko-chan (talk) 04:33, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Naruto's list of Ninja feats
1.Naruto first master Multi Shadow Clone Jutsu, a Jonin-Level Jutsu, the closest thing to that was Sasuke's Chunin-Level Fireball Jutsu. 2.He nexted defeated Haku of the Mist who was probably an ANBU-Level Shinobi. 3.He qualified for the Chunin Exam one semester after his Academy Graduation. 4.Naruto also managed to defeat one of Orochimaru's giant snakes with his bare hands. 5.He defeated Kiba, a taijutsu base oppenent, with taijutsu, despite the fact his chakra was sealed by the Five Prong Seal on his Eight Sign Seal. He summoned Gamabunta a Kage-Level summon. 6.He master the Water Walking Skill in less than an hour. 7.He defeated Neji Hyuga who was considered a genius by Hyuga standards. 8.He defeated Gaara who was easily Jonin-Level and a full-powered Jinchuriki. 9.He held his own against Kimimaro who was Orochimaru's strongest agent 10.he defeated Kabuto Yakushi. 11?.He managed to cause an injury to Jiraiya which was almost fatel, one of two Jiraiya has ever had. 12.He managed to defeat Itachi Uchiha's Shapeshifting Clone. 13.He nearly knocked out Deidara of Akatsuki. 14.He almost beat Orochimaru. 15.He master Wind Release in less than two weeks, and completed a S-Rank Kinjutsu during that time. 16.He killed Kakuzu of Akatsuki twice over and paralyzed him. 17.He trained and master Sage Mode in a fraction of the time it took Jiraiya and mastered it better than he did. 18.He defeated Pain of Akatsuki, with some help, a shinobi who destroyed the Leaf Village. 19.He master the Nine-Tails and single-handedly saved the Allied Shinobi Forces from defeat and he managed to defeat the Third Raikage using only a Shadow Clone. 20.He also outpaced Ay making him the fastest shinobi alive. 21.He defeated Six Reanimated Jinchuriki with the Tailed Beasts by himself as well as managed to de-mask Tobi. He also managed to hold his own against Edo Tensei Madara Uchiha.

Overall Naruto is far more accomplished than any of the Konoha 11 to the point where there is just no comparison and he could probably defeat them all by himself. Justin Holland (talk) 03:19, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

This is not a forum board.~ Ultimate  Supreme  04:12, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot, take it off if you want. Justin Holland (talk) 04:17, March 22, 2013 (UTC)