Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34436445-20180604184258/@comment-6769189-20180710073831

CombatIQmatters wrote: @LegionZero

1.That isn't a good example. Gaara had already grabbed Madara unexpectedly with the sand and was controlling his movements. He got tagged by the sand because he didn't see it coming, and that was only because Ohnoki gave Gaara a sudden boost in his ability to control sand. Not sure what you are referring to here.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

2. So you think Minato can lolblitz Madara? He isn't THAT fast. Madara is no where near as fast in running speed as Minato (the fastest shinobi in the series), and true Minato has FTG, but even with those, he can still react to Minato's blitz. He has sufficient reflexes to do so. Proof that Madara is fast enough to keep up with Minato? Cuz minato is faster than Tobirama who was the fastest ninja of his lifetime, Madara included. Over the years he no doubt got faster than he was at the time of Madara's death.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

3. Hashirama defeated Madara because he outskilled him and outstatted him. They grew up in the same era and where both combat geniuses, but Hashirama was better and matched Madara in combat experience. Minato isn't pulling the same move. Hashirama won because he outsmarted Madara. Minato doesnt have to put in half the effort to get into the same position Hashirama was in. CombatIQmatters wrote:

Same thing with Naruto. When has Mizuki, an average Jonin, ever faced a GENIN with the Nine tails capabilities and the ability to summon 1000 clones? The shadow clone jutsu was rare because most ninjas don't have the chakra or the skill to use them. He clearly didn't have experience against that. Mizuki was a chunin but regardless he should have put up a better fight. Naruto made clones that disappear in one hit from a kid who could literally perform 2 jutsu at the time. One of them not even combat related. Naruto also didnt use any of his 9 Tails amps.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

I could go on. But my point is, I would agree with you that Minato could beat Madara, IF Madara wasn't familiar with the FTG. But he is, this is a guy who even knew the hand seals to Tobirama's edo tensei, so he has clearly studied all of Tobirama's techniques in depth. Unlike in your examples, Madara's experience grants him the intelligence needed to fight against FTG. Experience beat tactics, and tactics can only beat inexperience. Madara outclasses Minato in general combat experience and quality of experience because he fought the god of shinobi and has fought reguarly since he was a child. Minato can't close that gap. The only chance he had was with FTG, and his intelligence in using it, but unfortunately Madara clearly knows about the technique and how it used on the battlefield. Minato was singlehandedly wiping out platoons of shinobi during a World War. He has battlefield experience with all kinds of ninja, jinchuriki included. He has also fought a Bijuu. Madara had been fighting longer but how much of that experience is useful? The Sannin were surpassed by their 16/17 year old students.

Does does Madara's experience beat teleportation hax? 50% of the time no. It certainly doesnt make up for the speed gap. Teleportation hax+Minato's speed beats out 90% of experience.

Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: I agree. People overhype Minato too much. His FTG didn't even live up to the hype in the Fourth Great Ninja War. He was injured so many times. FTG wank is insane on Naruto Wiki. Even Reddit has more sensible and actually reasonable people. People literally act like Minato can randomly spam FTG all day and teleport anything ( Like a MASSIVE Tailed Beast Bomb ) infinite number of times without even 1% loss of Chakra. Also, he can EASILY be caught off-guard in battle ( Like when he spaced out like an idiot and was almost killed by Juubito's Truth Seeking Ball and Tobirama had to save him. Also, when he was immediately startled when Obito suddenly started transforming into the Ten-Tails. Naruto caught him and Sasuke and saved them at that time. Translation: "Minato didnt live up to the hype because God-tier characters were the only people in the series to land a hit on him."