Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31171723-20170129212432/@comment-734582-20170131165321

BakumatsuWarrior wrote: Lol just one of them gods is enough to obliterate the current 5 Kage (Naruto included). We all know how 3-eyed TTJ Madara was "defeated" Black zetsu was powerful enough to keep people from dying, from otherwise lethal effects. Although he apparently lacked raw power, this nevertheless makes BZ a truly formidable foe. After all, we've only seen things like the Juubi and the Gedo statue do such things.

So yes, Madara was defeated. And he was defeated by Black Zetsu. That BZ could hide his intentions from a rinnegan user just shows his skill, but remember: anything is a ninja tool, nothing is off limits.

Uzumaki1naruto wrote: so since back then naruto was defeated by toneri, how come toneri defeat naruto now with spsm Because he still can't defend against a chakra drain? Toneri doesn't need physical contact to do it, as The Last shows. Besides i'm pretty sure that because of the chronological order of things, The Last was supposed to feature SPSM. (they just didn't have the art assets yet, and unlike other things like Hokage Kakashi or Rinnegan Sasuke, Naruto's mode actually takes up a considerable chunk of movie time and thus animation time).

In case you're wondering, The Last was released on 6 December 2014. Volume 70 was released in november 2014. An anime movie easily takes a year to make.