Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170916201627/@comment-734582-20170917153817

I'm still not sure what Hashirama is doing in this fight. Rinnegan madara will be pulling most of the punches here. But we've already seen that TTJ one-rinnegan madara was enough match for Naruto and Sasuke (or if you fancy, 2-rinnegan madara was). Considering that, i think it's fair to say that Sasuke and Naruto would win against a juubi-less Madara.

Ninjachris wrote: Can't you sense something before you see it and isn't Madara and hashirama both faster than fodder shin. Shin seemed to be pretty fast though. I don't see why you can confidently claim Shin was way slower.