Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36512555-20200302063012/@comment-6769189-20200406091958

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Show me Madara soloing Mu and Ohnoki, Show me Mu and Ohnoki fighting back. Chapter: 589 Onoki asked why Madara held back years ago and there are a couple of flashback panels of Mu and Onoki defeated by Madara

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

And like i said, the clone bs wouldn't work with a sensor there. Werent sensors monitoring the battlefield that werent of much help to the Kage? Sensors wont stop the clones from you know, fighting and serving as distractions

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

He can't exactly dodge it in midair, this plan would be initiated after he launches PS Many characters can and have dodged in midair. PS is mobile and there isnt a Dust user shown capable of launching an attack big enough attack to take out an entire Perf Susanoo. Even if there was would he even let them? Swings from that blade knock people all over the place (as seen when Madara swung its sword) and Onoki/Mu need time to prepare the jutsu.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

which makes using clones an impossibility cuz Ay will cut down any clone interfering with the plan. You mean like he did when he and the 5 Kade made a plan to seal Madara... oh. Wait. Tried that. Didnt work out. He wasnt fast enough to blindside Madara and he isnt strong enough to break through ribcage Susanoo, the lowest possible level. He couldnt even break Sasuke's ribcage Susanoo IIRC

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

The entire volume of Madara vs the Kage disagrees.
 * Things that can negate it >> Particle style >>Everything. Sadly PS isn't one.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

State things it can't negate which are in Madara's arsenal. Preta Path. Genjutsu. Tactics.

You are stuck on this loop where nothing beats coming in contact with particle style and you keep missing the point where nothing has to come into contact with it to counter it. Defensive/evasive maneuvers/techniques are an equally viable counters

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Lets say he doesnt hide then. Lets say he just makes 25 wood clones like he did in the manga. What does Mu do then? He cant take them all out at once. And they plow through just about everyone else.
 * 1) *Don't need the difference just need to know that there aren't any cheap moves in play, when Mu detects this he creates a clone and Jinton's it's ass out of hiding.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

If you read again you'll see I never said he does. You didnt say it, you just heavily implied it as a response to the specific scenario:

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:


 * 1) *He uses the preta path, but won't be able to stop Itachi from stabbing him. He may have fooled the Kages with his wood clone shenanigan but won't fool an adept MS user + a skilled sensor.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Don't worry they literally have an army for those, whilst Itachi and Mu is taking care of the original. A single bijju dama solo those. One Madara merced basically a whole division of said army. Most characters dont have the destructive capability to take out Susanoo.

Since when do Bijuudama solo Madara's Susanoo

You also seem to forget that the Preta Path is a 360 absorption shield. Of he is absorbing Dust release he is absorbing whatever Itachi tries to hit him with super charging him so he can spam Wood clones, wood justu, and other Rinnegan powers and Susanoo