Forum:Help - Lost in Translation

Hey, how are you??

I know you must have probably talked about this millions of tims by now, but I never did. This message I posted on ShounenSuki page, I'm not sure if he or anyone else will recieve it, and I just found the forum now, hehe, sorry if I did something wrong.Here's the message, if anyone else can also please try and help, I'll be forever thankful.

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I'm so so so sorry to bother you, but you see, I only have learned yesterday that the first translation to chap. 510 was messed up. Problem is, I was so used to that translation and had developed so many theories around it, that now I'm left completely confused about it. You see, I've looked for that chapter in onther 3 languages other than English. I've searched that chap. in spanish, portuguese and italian, and those 3 languages had the same problem with diff. trans. So I tried to look it up on the original japanese raw, except that I know absolutely nothing about it, and using online tranlation tools proved pointless and is driving me crazy.

My theory is that since he said on pag.12 that he is the only one that CAN be the second Rikudo, he admits that he, in fact, isnt yet. And well, considering his trademark arrogance, when he said that he is the only one that CAN be, truth is, he doesnt consider anyone else to have that power, or the possibility that not even himself will be able to actually become the second Rikudo. If all he had to do was join his Uchiha powers and the Senju's one, why would he have worked so hard to get Itachi and Sasuke to acheive the full power of the sharingan, and to go on such trouble for the Rinnegan? Plus, we saw what Nagato did to Konoha. Why Madara would ever trust Kabuto for his help, if he is now the most powerful shinobi that can be, as would be if he really is next Rikudo?

So I've found you as a reference to be a great tranlator in one of the forums, so here I am to ask you if will you please help me and say:

Is there ANY CHANCE, even the tiniest one, that this:

「お前は…三人目の六道…」 「うずまき一族末裔の証である赤い髪が白に変色するほど力を…」

could in ANY WAY be translated to:

"You... was the third Rikudô... powerful enough to even have changed the colour of your red hair, the proof of your being a descendent of the Uzumaki clan, into white..."

If you simply add a question mark to the end of that sentence, do you realize the difference that would really make? It would actually imply that the thrid Rikudo, was not Nagato, was the one that defeated him.

And while there's not an actual ??? at the end of that sentence, there is the ..., which could mean he wasn't done talking, but stoped once he realized Nagato was smiling, as you can see here:

http://manga.animea.net/naruto-chapter-510-page-16.html

I know this could be total crap that I've created inside my head, and I'm ok to be proven wrong, honestly. I really just want to have no room left for doubt at all. Could you please help me?--Christina Lavie Hamby (talk) 16:45, November 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * ShounenSuki has provided the desired translations elsewhere. The reading of the scene that you're looking for is not possible. ~SnapperTo 17:23, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

I know he provided it before, but that is why I asked if it was simply possible that the words WAS and WERE could be placed in this sentence under different interpretations. From what i have found, on dictionaries, both words can be translated to the exact same kanjis, so the obvious word would be "You were", because "You... was", is gramatically wrong, but if the word WAS was used referring to a third person, the use would also be correct.

The only living beings that actually known the fist Rikudo, were the Bijuus, when he first created them, so how could you explain the fact that the Kyuubi reconizes/referes to Rikudo, when fighting Naruto? http://www.mangarush.com/manga/naruto/499/p-14

Plus, the sign on his chest, when he fully takes control of Kyuubi: http://www.mangarush.com/manga/naruto/499/p-12

Online Dictionaries are not really the most reliable source, but a person with complete understanding of the language, and of the context, is.I've been provided with so many different translations by now that I'm just asking if it is possible.--Christina Lavie Hamby (talk) 18:24, November 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * "Was" does not make sense no matter how you spin it. It is grammatically wrong, contextually wrong (since Madara is referring to Nagato), and, even if he was referring to a third person, he would not say "you".
 * Re: this - You're answering your own question. Only the tailed beasts knew the Sage, and the demon fox is one of the tailed beasts.
 * Re: this - What does that have to do with anything?
 * I don't know what interpretation you're trying to find evidence for, but I would recommend you not use SleepyFans' translations; they are notoriously poor. ~SnapperTo 00:11, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * After looking at ShounenSuki's response on your talk page, I've got a better idea of what you're looking for. That said, I repeat my discouraging of SleepyFans. The demon fox does not just say "Rikudō" in chapter 499. It says, basically, "This is Rikudō 's  ...". The technique being used to restrain the fox is a technique created/used by the Rikudō. The fox is not recognizing Naruto as a/the Rikudō. ~SnapperTo 00:29, November 10, 2010 (UTC)