Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-5413572-20151114042410/@comment-5936871-20151207230033

QuakingStar wrote: That's because Naruto and Sasuke are overrated and overestimated. Hamura and Hagoromo would beat their asses.. They each only have HALF of Hagoromo's chakra and even then I truly believe they expended the gift in their fight at VotE and whatever was left was used to end I.T. Yes, but when a SPSM Naruto with only half of Kurama and a small amount of chakra remaining from the other TB absorbed a massive amount of natural energy he was capable of matching Sasuke's Tailed Beast Enhanced Susanoo which was stated to be on Hagoromo's level. They also still retained the chakra because Naruto still has SPSM in Gaiden and in the Boruto movie. But now Naruto has all of Kurama and there is nothing that proves that he lost the chakra of the other beasts given to him. Therefore, Naruto has half of Hagoromo's power, and if that is combined with Kurama, the other beasts, and a massive amount of natural energy he would likely be beyond Hagoromo's own base power. That doesn't mean he would win however, as Hagoromo has complete mastery over the Rinnegan, TSBs, all nature transformations, and his treasured tools.

As for Sasuke, since he no longer has that tailed beast chakra he wouldn't be nearly as strong anymore but he'd still be pretty up there and closer to that level of power. As for Hamura, we're not sure how strong he is when compared to Hagoromo but alongside Hagoromo he was able to help defeat and seal away the complete Ten-Tails when he only had Byakugan. If we take his Tenseigan into account, he is likely as powerful as his brother is at base and would likely be capable of fighting and defeating Sasuke. So in short, although Naruto and Sasuke are basically the new Hagoromo and Hamura, Hagoromo and Hamura, due to much more experience and mastery would be capable of defeating them.

Thekillman wrote: JouXIII wrote: ^And yet Sasuke still has Rinnegan and Naruto has Six Paths Sage Mode... That's not the same as still having Hagoromo's chakra.

Like Quakingstar, i believe Naruto and Sasuke expended Hagoromo's chakra in their final battle. Literally the only reason Six Paths Sage Mode exists is because of Hagoromo's Six Paths chakra. If Naruto lost his chakra, he wouldn't be able to use Six Paths Sage Mode. Both Naruto and Asura are it's only users, and they both can use it because they got it from Hagoromo. If they use SPSM, they have Hagoromo's chakra, this is said on the wiki itself which took it's sources from the manga and databook. There is no room for fanon speculation. They still have the chakra unless proven otherwise.