Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36006024-20180926134241/@comment-6769189-20181002043021

Littlegen wrote:

The fact Madara states that Shinobi ironically returned to the method in which Kaguya manipulated Chakra tells the method which she uses is not the only way. He said they started using it for the same purpose as Kaguya, not that they created it the way she did.

Littlegen wrote:

We also know she received Chakra directly from the Chakra Fruit. How could the Chakra Fruit giver her a infusion of energies it itself does not have. Unless it just gave her the ability to create chakra. There is no documented cases of a human eating the fruit so its possible that Otsutsuki just have a stupidly high amount of physical/spiritual energy.

Littlegen wrote:

With that, we know of Ninjutsu, Senjutsu, and Ninshu. Three different methods of manipulating Chakra. Manipulating chakra not creating chakra.

Littlegen wrote:

Ninshu: Manipulating Chakra purely with Mental Energy Even though Ninshu's mechanics werent explicitly explained, Naruto and Bee had already used chakra to connect to one another. They used chakra, not mental energy chakra. Which doesnt really make sense because mental energy is only a componant of chakra.

Littlegen wrote:

If Mental Energy is a requirement for manipulating Chakra, all that is left is empowering Chakra by Linking Mental Energy and Natural Energy. That could be the Ten-Tails power. Its not a way to manipulate chakra, it is how chakra is created.

Again, is your translation correct?

Kirito975 wrote:

Okay yes you're right, it makes no sense that i classify Moukton and Dojutsu as two separate things. MS is natural progression, it shouldnt be excluded.

LaughingLyon said:

I’m not taking away from Hashi’s skill using Mokuton but it would be nuts to say that it wasn’t a huge advantage. The OP is acting like being born with wood release isn’t the same as being born with a Dojutsu, when it obviously is except NO ONE else has EVER been born with Mokuton. Hashirama is just Naruto born with arguably the best Kekkei Genkai, the life force to use it, and having people to train with him from a young age. I think a recent databook said Moegi has it

LaughingLyon said:

If Hashirama were a Sarutobi his reserves wouldn’t diminish by any noticeable degree imo. Tobirama didn’t have HUGE reserves on par with the Kyuubi or hell any of the tailed beast so I doubt Hashi would either. Hashi doesn’t have the lineage to justify his reserves so it must come from being an Reincarnate. We dont know anything about Hashirama's other family to say that he doesnt have the lineage for large reserves. We also havent seen Tobirama's upper limits. He has enough to make Orochinaru nervous about breaking out of Edo Tensei's control. The man literally raise a couple fingers and shook the entire Uzumaki hideout. And he wasnt full power. Senju reserves are no joke. Dudes like the 3rd Raikage could match the 8 Tails so a guy from a clan notorious for high reserves being born with reserves higher than his clans average reserves isnt crazy.

Like i said earlier, no one ever said being a reincarnate means a character is destined or has the potential to be really powerful. There were planty other transmigrants and no one particulary special aside from Naruto/Sasuke and Hasirama/Madara.