Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30830650-20170125144949/@comment-28247797-20170427053444

@QuakingStar The anime is the only thing we have to go off of. Why would you be inclined to believe he sealed away his RinneSharingan? It's simple, he never had it to begin with. Anime display >> Your assumption without any substance. He said it was a MS, so I'm gonna go with that despite being anime. Also, you're wrong. Hagoromo said Madara was approaching him when he only had one Rinnegan, afterwards he absorbed the Shinju tree, gained his second Rinnegan and the RinneSharingan. I think it's pretty clear that in terms of visual prowess/raw dojutsu potency Madara is ahead, but Hagoromo mastered his eyes over the years. And no that line isn't an indication that Hagoromo is anywhere near Kaguya, Kaguya is in a tier of her own. She's superior to Hagoromo and they are not the same. Please stop trying to put Kaguya and Hagoromo on the same level, it's pretty clear Kaguya is superior and Madara gained a piece of her power, being the Rinnesharingan.

@EternalMangekyōRinneSharingan Hagoromo certainly has more chakra than Madara as he wielded 100% of all tailed beasts, there's no debate regarding that. I do disagree with the fact that Hagoromo could do away with anything Madara could make given his eyes have the better potency. By scaling and logic, Dual Rinnegan+RinneSharingan > Dual Rinnegan+MS. Hagoromo has the more experienced eyes, but Madara's eyes would be more potent by scaling and he certainly wouldn't be lack luster regarding useage/experience seeing as though he had significant intel on the Rinnegan, he just held back against Naruto and Sasuke. I'm not entirely sure if the treasured tools would be effective seeing as though Madara spat it out and said they didn't matter at all. Unless that was just Kishi trying to make an opening for Madara to be defeated.

There's no evidence that the Shinju tree did anything more than give Madara a durability and healing boost. Also, just because you have a way to seal someone doesn't mean you win, you have to actually incapacitate said person first. The five Kage had means of sealing Madara but lost horribly. (Not comparing Hag to the five Kage, just pointing out that because you can seal and the other potentially cannot doesn't mean you win.) Also let's not forget when Madara first emerged as the Juubi's host he had the Six paths sealing tools, so it's not that he was never capable of doing any form of sealing, he just saw it as useless. Furthermore, just because Hagoromo can detect Limbo clones doesn't mean he'd be able to react to all four of them and also Madara doing jutsu all at once. We've also never seen Juubi Madara spawn a Susano'o, if the RinnegSharingan would allow that? Perhaps, if so then I'm certain it'd be in an entirely different league than his Edo/EMS Perfect Susano'o by logic. But I don't think Susano'o would be the deciding factor here. I also see senjutsu being a non-factor considering Madara stated it was easy to wield.