Talk:Kakashi Hatake/Archive 1

New Technique?
I was just wondering, one the manga chapter 421 I think, Kakashi uses a new raikiri technique against Pain, which he can throw in the shape of a dog. Can you guys make an article about it? Shikamaru1994 20:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)Shikamaru1994

That is not a new technique, Kakashi just used the Earth Style: Mud Wall Jutsu in the shape of a wall to block Pain's path, so he could have a higher possibility to hit Pain. --Rasengan888

Actually I found the link, check it out it is not earth style mud wall.... http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/421/13/ wat is it???? Shikamaru1994Shikamaru1994 21:39, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, I think you should tell Dantman about this! What a great discovery, but I think it's another form of Lightning Blade. --Rasengan888

Probably, but we should find out more, I'll message Dantman right now!

The technique called the Lightning Hound.Improving the Lightning Blade to a Mid-Range Jutsu. First Kakashi will use Raikiri or Lightning Blade then manipulating the chakra to shape like a dog to be able to hit the opponent in a mid-range distance.

Rumor is there is also a new techinqe called ninetailed searling rasengon.He uses it to seal the ninetailed fox inside of naruto when it completely takes over his body(all nine tails). It is purple when rainbow stripes(resembers an atom). It takes a lot of charka to use for he faints after using it and is hosptalized for a week. It is in a secret manga.

And Pain is the same person as Minato. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

* Faint* God damnit pain isnt Minato why would Minato be after his own son...

Quotes
Okay, there are WAY too many items in the quote section, most of which aren't even relavent.

Can we get some stuff about the book by Jiria back into the article that was removed in this revision. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Nov 4, 2007 @ 20:27 (UTC)

Team 8
Can someone please provide a link or something explaining where and when Kakashi was ever the leader of Team Kurenai? As far as I am aware of, Team Kurenai only recieved real interest was in the early Filler Arcs (though Kakashi wasn't there, and that was about as far as I got.) and when they formed the 8-man squad.--TheUltimate3 23:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Here it is --Kurenai Yuhi 19:23, 18 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Thats the 8-Man Squad. Team Kurenai and Team Yamato/Kakashi (which ever one it was now) combined into one. So technically both Teams are currently inactive.--TheUltimate3 20:06, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No, that doesn't mean that both Teams are inactive. It just means that both Teams are temporarily joined together. With the absence of Kurenai, Team 8 needed a squad leader so Kakashi was appointed-though it's not sure how long he would keep that position. On the other hand, Team 7 has a squad leader, Yamato, so technically it’s Team Yamato. --Kurenai Yuhi 22:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It is however the 8-Man Squad, with both the teams technically inactive. Currently there is no "Team Kakashi/Yamato and Team Kurenai you two teams blah-blah-blah" unlike the Rescue the Kazekage mission where Team Guy was appointed later to assist Team Kakashi, this squad was formed by Kakashi for a single mission: Take out Uchiha (The name implies they are going after both the Uchiha brothers. Don't matter which one).--TheUltimate3 00:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I know why Kurenai isn't leading her team! All her students are on missions as Chunin and Jonin, and she's having a baby! Madara uchiha99 14:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)Madara uchiha99

The reason why Kakashi became their leader was because Kurenai was having a baby, and Yamato already took the position for team 7.Naruto1994 00:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)Naruto1994

Kakashi's Mangekyo
Does everyone know how Kakashi got the Mangekyo? If not then here is the most likely scenario:
 * During the break in the series, Kakashi came to terms with the fact that since Obito's death was his fault, Kakashi might as well have killed Obito himself. Now before I'm flamed, here is my reason. If Kakashi hadn't been so overconfident in his abilities and used the Chidori before he had solved it's "tunnel vision" flaw, then Obito wouldn't have had to save both he and Rin by activating his Sharingan. If he hadn't used all his energy saving them, he probably could have avoided the avalanche trap. Kakashi felt that it was his fault Obito died, and was able to obtain the Mangekyo. Rasengan Master 22:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * The only problem with that statement, is that it is completely speculation. He's been alive for years after Obito's death. I'm pretty sure he would have had the Mangekyo Sharinigan years ago.--TheUltimate3 23:41, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

No, see if that were true, he probably would have used it before, like against Orochimaru or even Itachi. And on Kakashi's page, it even says he got it sometime after Naruto left and before he came back. Rasengan Master 11:57, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

A possible reason is that maybe one unknown Mangekyo user transferred his or her doujutsu to Kakashi, but this is unlikely. Madara uchiha99 (talk), Kanji: うちは マダラ 九十九, Romaji: Uchiha madara kyū-jū-kyū 18:06, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Doesnt Kakashi insinuate to Itachi that he also loses eyesight when using the Mangekyo? May 1 2008

Well still, with how sasuke got the other half of his EMS from the death of someone close to him, apparently it has to have something do with that. It really is one of the only things that has some logical proof behind how kakashi might've gotten it. May 30 2008

I doubt that that is what really happened. I know it would be really cool if the Mangekyo had a mind of its' own, but it doesn't. Even if he had come to terms with the fact that he actually did produce the events that caused Obito's death, you have to also understand that it wasn't his direct involvement that caused his death. He didn't push those rocks over, which is what caused Obito's doom. Here's my speculation:
 * Kakashi is so freakin' amazing that the Mangekyo chose him. (*gasp* Maybe it does have a mind of its' own!? o.O)
 * Actually think of how Sasuke got his Mangekyo. Itachi died from his disease not from Sasuke killing him. Yet Sasuke soon reawakens his Mangekyo Sharingan. Narupug 16:28, 23 August 2008 (UTC)narupug

Here's an idea: Kakashi discovers the secret of the Mangekyo Sharingan from the Uchiha meetingplace. He then asks a powerful genjutsu user like Yakumo (yes I know she's filler-only) or Kurenai to cast a genjutsu on him involving either reruns of the deaths of his friends/family or a situation where Obito attacks him and he is forced to kill his best friend. Likely this would be combined w/ a memory-block jutsu on the last several years (i.e. before he has the Sharingan, Obito dies, etc.)for its full traumatic effect. Once the MS is released, the memory-block is as well, and et voila.

Why is everyone stuck on Obito. How about this: during the break he somehow met with Rin and could have witnessed her death. Like everyone else, i don't know if this is true but i'm just giving my opinion.LightningSasuke 03:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

209.247.21.49 22:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC) July 4 2008

Nope, that can't be right. Near the end of Part 1, Kakashi tells Sasuke everybody close to him is already dead...and doesn't he say his best friends names are on the momument at the first bells exercise?

Also, no evidence exists to suggest Kakashi didn't have the mangekyo during part 1. Sure, he never used it...but he also was never in a life or death style situation. Furthermore, the guy who pens this story is not omnipotent...he could have only decided that the mangekyo would exist after Kakashi's run in with Itachi, which is a somewhat mundane but perfectly plausible reason he might not have used the ability (shown atleast) before Deidara.

My personal theory, is that he gets it from Rin. It would be fitting, he gets the Sharingan from Obito...the Mangekyou from Rin. I moved closer to this theory recently, I think it was in the campfire thing we're he lamented he couldn't protect Rin..who would have been his closest person with Obito and parents already dead. Could have been Minato, but I don't think that relationship is focused on enough for that to be reason. Essentially, Naruto seems to be ending soon...and the issue might never be addressed - pretty much a get-out; though it might be difficult to come up with a reason so might be the best way.

Ryan1711 (if anybody read this before this disclaimer, I meant to say the guy who pens is this NOT omnipotent- it made no sense before I corrected that).

When they are returing to Konoha after saving Gaara, Kakashi says that his MS is new. Jacce | Talk 05:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Kakashi says to Naruto after he and Sakura take the bells "The other day I invented an amazing new jutsu" or something like that, it could be Kamui or the acual MS.Annaatar (talk) 06:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * If MS can be invented, I could have agreed to Annaatar, but can MS can be really created by a ninja? It is only said that killing someone close to you is the only way to obtain MS. But saying that "When they are returing to Konoha after saving Gaara, Kakashi says that his MS is new." by Jacce, He does have a point. It only means that Kakashi had the MS before but apparently, he never used it in part one. But the question is-- How did Kakashi obtain MS? By this time, I'm looking for infos in other forums............, but unfortunately, no basis on how did Kakashi obtain the MS. I'll post opinions as soon as I found one.(The question is hard by the way, and it can only be answered by the best opinion from forums. Not unless Masashi would state the answer to it.)Sasunaruitakashika (talk) 09:12, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Kakashi with Amaterasu?
Many people speculate that Kakashi/Obito is able to use Amaterasu but without the fire. Amaterasu presumably warps objects to another dimension. They say that Kakashi doesn't have the tengu blood to cast black fire. So if he did have that blood, he could have burnt Deidara's right arm as well. What do you think? Of course its only a fan speculation and has nothing to do with my opinion. --Kakashi Namikaze 14:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Amaterasu and Kakashi's Dimensional Barrier are two very different techniques, the only thing in common about them is that both are Mangekyo Sharingan doujutso. 189.60.200.72 16:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Filler Arcs
I think there needs to be an Edit to the Filler Arcs Kakashi Apeard in as he also apears in the Land of Birds Arc (im watching it from the English translation thats why i just found out.). Can someone go over all of the filler arcs (after the land of birds obviously) and find if Kakashi was in more then just those two? Kael Hyun 14:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

What's his Dimensional Warp Jutsu?
I know what it is, per say. I understand that it uses his Mangekyo Sharingan to teleport an area of matter into an alternate dimension, but does anyone maybe have a link to a page, preferably on here, that could tell me all about it? (Or, if you could tell me, just do that.) Thanks.

As far as translations go, I think the name of the technique is "Dimensional Barrier". There is no page though. As far as my understanding of the series go, when Kakashi aims the barrier at a target, the immediate vicinity of the target is warped, causing somewhat of dimensional fold or rift, that sucks in everything nearby when Kakashi "fires" the technique. Omnibender 23:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, and he can either target the warped items to a certain location or let it free and warp through time and space into an alternate dimension and reality, systematically causing it to implode and revert to its atomatical form. I read it on some random Google site. What I really wanted to know was the name. So, thanks. :D 209.247.21.49 04:57, 5 July 2008 (UTC) July 4 2008\

It's called Kamui. LapisScarab 01:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)LapisScarab

He can't send it to a specific location, that was never stated. The only thing stated is that he sends whatever he can aim it at to another dimension and that's it. Omnibender 18:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The "Dimensional Barrier" allows the user(in this case Kakashi) to suck up all matter by looking at specific spot. Also he can suck up chakra of any type and any ninjutsu, proof is when he fought against Deidera when he used the chakra explosion and Kakashi sucked it up!Naruto1994 00:49, 8 July 2008 (UTC)Naruto1994


 * I know that it is WAY too early to start dumping the Data Book 3 information in here, but teh Dimension Warp technique is named Kamui (confirmed from scanned pages). Further there is information stated that the Amaterasu represents the Light of the Material World and the Tsukiyomi represents the Darkness of the Spiritual World and that the person who masters both shall gain Susano'o. If that's taken to be true as Kakashi only has one eye then he shouldn't be able to execute Tsukiyomi or Susano, and there is no proof that he has them, so they shouldn't be in his technique list. That said Kamui is awesome enough as is.Rayfire 04:47, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Can kakashi activate his mangekyou sharingan without any seals because i'm sure i saw him do it when the 8 man team arrive at the place where itachi and sasuke had their battle after yamato split the ground to create a path through amaterasu i sure he activated it just before they went in.

elemants
why is it when ever i see someone with 3+ elemnts all but main is secondary(fire(main)water(secondary)wind(secondary))it just doesn't make sense.

-- Why not? Apart from their main, all their elements are on an equal footing. (Also, not to be grammar nazi, but it literally took a minute to figure out what you meant) 66.240.48.106 19:38, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Chakra Natures
I'm seeing some back and forth editing on the Chakra Natures for Kakashi. Some people are editing in all the chakra natures, and others are saying that he copied chakra natures from other shinobi, which Kakashi said was impossible.

So can we get a list of the chakra natures here that can be confirmed by a canon source. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Oct 29, 2008 @ 22:05 (UTC)


 * In the manga, Kakashi has used the Lightning, Earth, and Water natures. I also happen to know that he used the Fire nature in the anime. As far as I know, he never used Wind nature. --ShounenSuki 22:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Just because he used jutsu for those elemental jutsu it don't mean he has those four chakra natures. What if Jaraiya could use Wind,Water,Fire,Earth and Lightning jutsu does it mean he has all chakra types no it don't, Chakra Natures is when your chakra likes a certain element or elements. Hope I helped.--Inferuno Ryuu 23:31, 29 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think it is impossible to copy a jutsu from a unknown chakra element, just from kekkei genkais. Kakashi has said that a jonin usually knows two elements, which indicate that everyone can learn how to use several of the five original elements, even without a affinity for it. And I don't think that Kakashi has learned how to use four elements, he has just seen some jutsus with his Sharingan and learned how to use them. Jacce 06:35, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with you a bit, but if he has learned jutsu for those elements why does someone keep saying he has four chakra natures. Now I think chakra natures is when your chakra can do your elements jutsu easier(if that makes sense). I think we should just keep his chakra natures Lightning and Fire.--Inferuno Ryuu 09:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The thing is that we don't know which is his second, although I would guess earth. Fire has only been seen in the anime, and he was using Summoning Technique: Earth Release: Tracking Fang Technique against Zabuza, suggesting that he is more used to earth then water and fire. Jacce 10:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Everyone has one nature affinity. This is the nature the chakra paper indicates. For Kakashi, that means Lightning. Kakashi also has the Earth and Water natures, since he has shown that he can use those elements. You cannot perform elemental techniques without being able to transform your chakra into that elemental nature. Thus Kakashi has three chakra natures, with an affinity to lightning.
 * In the anime, he even has one more: Fire.
 * You are mistaking 'nature' for 'affinity'. 'Nature' is the element of your chakra. Your chakra normally doesn't have a nature, unless you change it into one. 'Affinity' is the nature your chakra naturally leans to. Everyone has only one affinity, but can use multiple natures. --ShounenSuki 11:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Kakashi has three elments lighting,water,earth thats it fire doesnt count. He never used it in the manga the whole battle didnt count. It was just fill in footage to give a clue or pictures on how the battle when. Now in manga 316 Kakashi states he has more than one. Vague but that what he says he did got in to detail then talking about nature manipulation. So he throught that out there. So logicly since in the anime and manga he uses water,earth, lighting then those are his elements that it. Also you can learn nature manipulation by using sharingun as state sharingun user cannot copy techniques that are unique to another bloodline and the sharingun user must have a body capable of meeting the chakra and physical requirements to do the jutsu. Meaning if sasuke doesn't no how to turn his chakra in to water he can't copy water jutsu. As poerful as sharingun seems it has its limitation


 * First of all you cannot copy chakra natures, just because he says he has more than on how does it mean he has three. What if Jiraiya or the Yondaime could use a Fire Jutsu Wind,Thunder,Water,Earth that it don't mean they have all the chakra natures. Lastly do you know how to spell, how much mistakes have you made and try make a account as well.--Inferuno Ryuu 19:14, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Also I think is elements should be Thunder and Earth cause against pain he used a a Earth Wall--Inferuno Ryuu 19:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Kakashi has shown he can use three elements. This means he 'has' three chakra natures. Full stop. Lightning is his affinity, his main chakra nature. All other natures are secondary.
 * Also, yes, if someone is able to use all five elements, that means that person 'has' all five chakra natures. Only one is his or her affinity, though. This is the one the chakra paper indicates.
 * NB: In the anime kakashi also has the fire nature.
 * --ShounenSuki 15:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Could we also say Kakashi can use the Ice element as he was seen using it in the first movie with the one horned whale technique? dukeplatypus (talk) 22:15, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Most movie-related information is excluded from infoboxes. ~SnapperTo 22:21, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * most? What is included? dukeplatypus (talk) 22:27, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Movie-only characters have movie-information in their infoboxes. But that's probably obvious. ~SnapperTo 22:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Non-Canon (Game, and perhaps Movie) stuff is only excluded from the Jutsu box. All other information created by non-manga sources is tagged with (??? only) tags like (Anime only), (Game only), (Movie only). We merely exclude any justu outside of the Manga and Anime from the Jutsu box because it's to much unnecessary bloat. Think of it, games create a new Jutsu name for every puny little move they give a character. For a game something as insignificant as using a move as an upward strike instead of a forward strike is enough to warrant creating a brand new move and name. This results in the creation of dozens of poinless justu. All of those just bloat the already large justu boxes. For that reason we're trying to move into tagging Jutsu with what character's can use them and creating automatically generated lists out of that for characters that we can link to. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Apr 17, 2009 @ 02:14 (UTC)
 * The ice techniques used in the movie were not actual Ice Release techniques. The ice nature is a kekkei genkai which so far only Haku has been shown to have. Ice Release is a combination of Water and Wind chakra. Kakashi doesn't even have Wind so it's impossible for him to have Ice anyways. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Apr 17, 2009 @ 02:22 (UTC)

I'd like to say, excuse me but just because Kakashi can use several elemental jutsus does not mean he has both fire, earth, water etc. chakra natures. It is clearly stated in the manga that he has a lightening affinity when he touched the paper. If he had those other chakra nature the paper would have clearly showed it. He also states that having two chakra natures means a ninja has a kekkei genkkai and he could not copy it. So pratically I feel that his chakra nature is lightening full stop. User: Coolbloo12
 * His affinity is clearly lightning, but he also said that most Jonins can use two elements, so beeing abel to use two elements are not kekkei genkai, only mixing them to make new elements are kekkei genkai. Jacce | Talk 06:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * @Coolbloo12, Go and actually bother to read the Nature Transformation article before you go making uninformed claims. You are mistaken on what affinity means and what relation it has to learning natures. Affinity is only the single nature a person naturally leans towards. The only thing it indicates is what nature the person will have the easiest time learning (thus why it's normally the first nature learned). Beyond that anyone can learn any nature they want, it's just something that takes time and gets extremely difficult. Difficulty is the only reason you don't see many people with all 5 natures. Heck it's perfectly possible for someone to learn a nature completely different than their affinity, and never bother to learn their affinity. People just don't bother doing it that way because it's easiest to learn your affinity first time round.
 * Kakashi has made use of Lightning Release, Earth Release, and Water Release jutsu. The chakra paper showed lightning. Chakra paper indicates the person's natural affinity, and you can't use an elemental jutsu without having mastered that nature. Therefore Kakashi has mastered Lightning, Earth, and Water natures, and has an affinity towards Lightning. End of story. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Apr 18, 2009 @ 06:47 (UTC)

status
Shouldn't Kakashi be labled "presumed deaceased".Because in the final page of chapter 423 pain flicked that metal ball at Kakashi.Pein also said it wasn't a bunshin(clone).And i also saw what looked like a blood splatter.Do you get it.


 * /shrug we have to wait until the chapter comes out before making a assumption on deceased and presumed deceased.--TheUltimate3 01:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * /I agree, we should wait untill the next chapter comes out to be sure. A lot of the characters have "died" but it turns out to be some trick (though I personally think Kakashi died, for accuracy's sake we should wait). By the way, it was a nail that Pain shot (ouch!). LapisScarab 01:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)LapisScarab

IT wasnt the nail that killed him, pain said that is how he survived right after kakashi uses kamui to save choji. He used kamui to get rid of the nail. Its right here http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/424/17/


 * You're forgetting the last words. Remember, he hasn't used Kamui yet, and there's a lot you can do moments before you think you'll die than you could normally. Even if he just throws the nail off a little, he's bought himself some time. On the other hand, Kakashi may have been doomed the moment he was pointed out as a future Hokage candidate. (I hope not!) 66.240.48.106 20:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It was only a nail so it is to early to say if he is dead or not and i think he might not have enough chakra to use Kamui but it could cost not as much to use it on a simple nail so I could be wrong on the Kamui part and if he uses that move the nail will collaspe on it self and he would not be hit.151.199.192.99 16:10, 6

November 2008 (UTC)


 * He could be dead because in chapter 424, it says on the "Cusp of death Kakashi makes a dying wish".--Inferuno Ryuu 19:17, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that's still an assumption. We try to keep articles free of assumptions and anything current in other words, if something needs to be rewritten after a certain point in time, then the article has been written wrong. We have not confirmed Kakashi's Death with a follow up chapter yet, so we don't put that information in till it's confirmed. "The current status of Kakashi Hatake is currently unknown, as the most current manga left his fate on a cliffhanger." does not belong in the article either. It uses "current", once the next chapter is released this article becomes stale and out of date.:
 * Rome was not built in a day, neither is a good wiki. There is no reason to rush this information into the article by speculating it or giving the article a state that will become stale when we only need to wait till the next chapter comes out to confirm the information. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Nov 7, 2008 @ 20:18 (UTC)
 * Man, why do you guys seem so anxious to see poor Kakashi die?? O.o Anyway, I agree; we should wait and see in the next chapter.  It kinda stinks because we have to wait another week, due to the fact that he's working on future chapters.  --Ai Raiokachi 02:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Kakashi's death has not been confirmed. I've temporarily protected the page since despite this discussion here going in favor of waiting, people have still been adding the unconfirmed information to the page. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Nov 8, 2008 @ 05:08 (UTC)


 * I havent edited Kakashi's profile, I havent even been on it.--Inferuno Ryuu 15:50, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Do you actually think that he is going to die? I mean, he just said his dying wish of seeing Obito and Rin, and saying that he has to die because to save Konoha. Saving Choji on the last minute. Man, I really hope he doesn't die. Maybe the admins should still lock Kakashi from editing until Chapter 425 comes out. Which is probably the next two weeks. Any predictions on what's going to happen on that chapter? --Rasengan888

I changed the fact that he's dead on the page to "Unconfirmed Death" in the chart. Hokagegogeta 03:28, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't Kishimoto ever just say "Kakashi died, the end"? I'm still not sure, even based on the latest chapter, if he's dead or not.  I'd say unconfirmed sounds reasonable.  Ai Raiokachi 00:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Where is Kakashi now, with his father is he dead or in limbo or something?--Inferuno Ryuu 13:09, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

I hope that Kakashi will stay in the series,... and also hope that the chapter that will say if Kakashi is dead or not will be released a little earlier...

i guess kakashi still alive... trust me.. kakashi gonna rise like the story of samurai x when kenshi was fighting sisio

Sorry everyone but kakashi is dead. you see him speaking to his father. His father says he has passed on. Sorry

If Kakashi is dead, than why would Katsuyu save a dead corpse? Just because a person thinks their going to die doesn't mean they will. He could just be hallucinating when talking to his father.

hey guys, good news, i think kakashi is not yet dead. Pain only stole him, it is said in the front/introduction page of naruto manga chapter 435.--Narutofan.sasuke015 14:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC) here it is:

i don't think he's dead ether, Narutofan is right on 435 it says pain murdered jiraia and "stole" kakashi. it could mean he's dead but it's very unclear.--PAIN 03:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Kakashi can't be dead.Yamato can do nothing to Naruto now that he hasn't the first hokage jewl.Kakashi has that seal from Jiraiya,remember?so to explain:Yamato can't do nothing to six tails naruto,but kakashi has that seal that when paced on naruto's forehead makes the chakra go back.79.115.225.93 06:57, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I have absolute knowledge that Kakashi can't be dead. After a while of thinking i remembered something Kakashi never fnished reading Make-Out Tacticsl. Since he is such a fan he will rise from the grave to read it. The end.WolfMaster 02:04, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

When?
Could someone tell me when he used Sly Mind Affect Technique? Jacce 17:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Kakashis father's status
Shouldnt his status be unknown or possibly deceases. because in chapter 245 kakashi looked like he was about 18 or 20 and found his dad.it was said that he commited suicide when kakashi was about 9 to 13 so his dad could still be alive.deathreaper


 * Chapter 245? What part in the timeline is that? I don't read the manga. I've just been getting annoyed with seeing presumed everywhere on the characters who have only had their history mentioned. I've seen plenty of people putting presumed on characters like Minato Namikaze who have no evidence for being alive. People just add presumed out of pure fan-speculation that he could be alive. It's annoying to see presumed on characters like that just because the series rarely gets around to actually stating that the character is actually dead to shut the unfounded speculations up. Presumed is for characters who actually have a concrete reason that they could be alive, but have not shown up in the series and are presumed deceased. Not for characters who have never shown up living in the series and haven't directly been said died.
 * If you've got a reasonable citation to why Sakumo may not have died, then presumed could be put back. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Nov 21, 2008 @ 04:34 (UTC)
 * In chapter 425 Kakashi is hurt and meets his dad in a different world, while he seams to faint in the real world. In chapter 240 page 18-19 (Kakashi Gaiden) Minato said that Sakumo commited suicide and in a flashback, Kakashi finds his father dead. And I have read chapter 245 and sees nothing about Kakashi's father, it is the begining of part 2 and Naruto returns to the village. So it is safe to say that Sakumo is very much dead. Jacce 06:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Infobox
People have been abusing Kakashi's infobox to much adding jutsus that do not belong in the Jutsu box there, which is meant to be a trimmed down list, not an extensive list of generic jutsu and jutsu he might have copied using Sharingan. Please request any changes to the infobox on Infobox talk:Kakashi Hatake. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Nov 22, 2008 @ 05:05 (UTC)

Kakashi, update needed.
Previously mentioned, although misguided, was the comment on Kakashi's current status. In these situations the status should never be "possibly deceased". If you do not know the status, then the individual's status is "Unknown"...There should be no exceptions, especially none surrounded by facts. When we know Kakashi is dead, you can post he is deceased. If you do not have concrete evidence confirming an update, delete & correct. This whole site needs to have this message posted on every page.

In addition to this, I would like to add that the article should be written in present tense rather than past as his death has not been confirmed. By this I mean "is" instead of "was", etc. Miraitrunks766 14:15, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


 * No, articles should never be written in present tense. Our MoS is to write all' articles in past-tense. So the article should not be written in present tense. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Dec 14, 2008 @ 23:56 (UTC)


 * I didn't really explain myself properly, sorry. It's just the original beginning sentence of the article stated "Kakashi was a Konohagakure Jounin..." when, considering his death is unconfirmed, it should actually read "Kakashi is a ...". I just meant stuff like that, not rewriting it all in present tense such as "walking" instead of "walked". Forgive me for the confusion. Miraitrunks766 07:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmm, perhaps the MoS discussion should list out what sections should use what tense. Part in the Story is always past tense, though, I believe we actually use present-tense in the aggregated sections.
 * However, the general idea is that all sections of the same type should retain the same tense, no matter who the character is. We try to write the wiki in a way that applies to all readers, not just those that have gotten past a certain point, so no matter what point in time someone has died should never effect a decision on how to write the article. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Dec 17, 2008 @ 17:20 (UTC)

How do you change and update jutsu on kakashi's page?

Wind?!...
Is this a joke? I thought game techniques were not added because they aren'nt canon!Paths 16:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Game techniques are not "listed" because we filter out non-canon and common items from the list, otherwise it would be unreasonably large. Game Natures are a different case, see Infobox talk:Kakashi Hatake. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Dec 6, 2008 @ 00:29 (UTC)

Kage Level?
Ok, someone has written here that due to Jiraiya and Tsunade designing Kakashi as the candidate for Hokage, his skills are Kage-level. If that is so, shouldn't we add "classifcation: S-class"? Or maybe change this line from "his abilities are Kage-level" to "although maybe not quite Kage-level, his abilities are well beyond those of most of his fellow Jonin"?

Well, first off, S-Class are only used in bingo books and grading on levels. Second off, Kakashi may have a kage-level skill, but I don't think he'll be the best of all the Jonins. In order to be a kage, you at least have to know everything and defeat some people. And, like he said, he said that Naruto could even defeat him by now. --Rasengan888 15:24, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Kakashi dead
most of people said kakashi has passed away againnst pain..... is that right????????????
 * We don't know for sure yet. Jacce 11:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

We don't know for sure for Shizune and its more probable that Shizune is alive and Kakashi is dead because Naruto could sense that Kakashis Chakra had faded away completely. You goys are being bbiased and just don't want Kakashi to be dead while you guys couldn't care less about Shizune.

ok it is confirmed that shizune is dead and kakashi may be dead or in critical condition, there is evidence that shizune is dead while goes in both ways to being alive and being dead in kakashis case, so dont call everyone biased just because people think kakashi is cooler than shizune and you cant blame them so ya dont call people biased Alexfkdianna 19:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)Alexfkdianna

Do you remember when Haku "killed" Sasuke? Think of it like that

Yeah,but is it true that he's dead? I mean,I wouldn't enjoy it if he were dead,but some of us aren't biased you know. It's just that he's been in the series for so long that we don't wanna let him go because he's had an important part in the series. So I'm not biased,and I just wanna figure out if he's dead or not. I hope he isn't. ~A person.

Um, I may still not get everything about wikis, and I said I don't want to start any problems on my User Page, but isn't this speculation, meaning that it belongs on a forum? I mean, we don't know if he's dead, and that's why it says 'unknown' on his article, so until more info comes up, shouldn't this either be moved to a forum, or dropped? I'm just saying, that's all.--Kagimizu 18:10, 18 March 2009 (UTC) there's masashi kishimoto interview ..... the host talked about kakashi is he dead???? but masashi said "i will kill the manga if i tell it now--Stevenji (talk) 05:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's official, we know know Kakashi genuinely died during his fight with Pain, but he's been brought back to life, so YAY!dukeplatypus (talk) 00:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Summoning Jutsu
On Kakashi's abilities who ever fills these things out does not do it right here or on naruto's page you forgot to mention the fact the Kakashi can summon which is a rare ability so it should be listed

Eyesight?
I think I heard somewhere that Kakashi's Sharingan eyesight so so good that when he has it covered with his headband, he has the eyesight of a normal person, can anyone confirm or uncomfirm this for me?


 * His eye is covered because it is permanently in its activated Sharingan form, thus it needlessly uses chakra. If it can't see (such as under a headband) then it doesnt use chakra. If Kakashi's eye sight increased, then it is most likely to compensate that he can't use both his eyes at all times.--TheUltimate3 00:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Ultimate you have the right idea but there is more to it. Kakashi's Sharingan drains chakra at an increased rate as he does not have Uchiha blood. This can be seen with Itachi he is able to keep his Mangekyo Sharingan which drains more chakra than the normal one active for days with no noticeable drainage of his chakra reserves.WolfMaster 20:44, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

wind
in the abilities section, under elemental techs. it says he can use wind chakra. where is this from?

Chakra Control
I read in the Improvements section that Kakashi is able to do less hand seals because he Has better chakra control over the time skip...Can someone please verify this?

Strong Fist
Could someone remove Strong Fist from Kakashi's jutsu list? It's nothing more than a catch-all phrase covering all taijutsu aimed at causing broken bones or external damage. In other words, all taijutsu that isn't Gentle Fist. --ShounenSuki (talk 01:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Ninja Rank
Since Kakashi was noted to become an ANBU Captain, shouldn't his highest rank be ANBU Captain, not a Jonin? Veldomort 15:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * He is not a ANBU captain in part I or II. Jacce 15:57, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * But on Madara Uchiha's page, it was listed "Kage" as his highest rank, yet he was never a Kage during part 1 or part 2 of the series. Veldomort 22:08, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Madara has been mentioned to have been the Mizukage in Part 2. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

And Kakashi was shown to be an ANBU Captain in the first movie which was made into the manga thus it is canon. Yet there is one flaw in your thinking Veldomort ANBU members are all Jonin since Jonin is a rank and ANBU is an occupation.WolfMaster 20:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Kakashi was shown to have been an ANBU, but I don't recall anything about him being an ANBU captain. Now generally ANBU is considered higher than jōnin, but it's kind of a grey area. They're not from the same hierarchy, so one can't really compare them. I'd suggest simply using jōnin as his highest rank, since it's the rank he's best known under.
 * Also, you're wrong WolfMaster. ANBU is a rank. A rank separate from the normal ranks (genin, chūnin, (tokubetsu) jōnin). --ShounenSuki (talk 20:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

No i'm not check for yourself on the ninja rank page it isn't there but it is in the ninja jobs category.WolfMaster 23:54, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Those pages are long overdue to be rewritten. The databooks state that ANBU is a rank separate from the normal shinobi hierarchy. --ShounenSuki (talk 02:07, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Well since the third data book entry for Kakashi hasn't been translated here his file in the second data book it clearly states his rank as Jonin.WolfMaster 03:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No-one is saying he isn't a jōnin at the moment. However, the infobox asks for a character's highest rank. He is currently a jōnin, but he used to be an ANBU. However, as I said before, I think it would be best to keep his highest rank as jōnin. --ShounenSuki (talk 13:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Editing Abilities
Can someone please explain why I can edit everything except his abilities? Are they a seperate article or something? Or are they somehow blocked, 'cause I can't find them.--Kagimizu 00:18, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are refering to the info box, it is a independent page since there was to much vandalism. If you want to ad something to the infobox, go to the page and leave a message on the talk page. Jacce 06:27, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I noticed that the Unnamed Lightning Current redirects to Lightning Destruction. If that's the case, I thought I could fix it by replacing lightning current (Unnamed) with Lightning Destruction, since it redirects to that article.--Kagimizu 18:32, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, looks like even with 'full' editing abilities, I can't anything blocked directly by an admin. Oh well, could one of you guys fix this, like either starting an article about Lightning Current, or change that bit on his page to Lightning Destruction, 'cause it seems like something of an issue.--Kagimizu 14:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * To whoever edited Kakashi's infobox, thanks for doin' that for me. Could you (or anyone) look at some of my questions on my User Talk? If you can, thanks.--Kagimizu 00:15, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Could someone please add to Kakashi's infobox the Tornado of Water please, as an anime only of course. He used it against Gozu in episode 103.


 * Actually, the move Kakashi used looked more like the Water Release: Water Drowning Technique from Naruto epsisode 203. When Tornado of Water was used, was used by Shibuki, it surrounded him, unlike Kakashi. Could somone fix this please and change Tornado of Water on Kakashi's infobox to the above jutsu, obviously as an anime only.

Natures
In the infobox, could somebody please remove the "(secondary)" annotations and replace the "(main)" annotation with "(affinity)"? --ShounenSuki (talk 13:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Jacce 13:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you please make the other edits I indicated here too? ~SnapperTo 20:43, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * What is the difference? Jacce 21:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Refs are added, teams are corrected, movie jutsu are removed... If you diff the two versions you should see the differences. ~SnapperTo 18:14, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, forgot about that possibility. Fixed now. Jacce 18:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Multiple Shadow Clone Jutsu
I know kakashi knows the shadow clone jutsu but didnt kakashi said he could not make a lot of clones because he does not have the chakra levels should this be removed or somthing Alexfkdianna 14:44, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

All he meant was that he couldn't create as many clones as Naruto and maintain them long enough to make the training effective User:Steveo920 11:19. 29 March 2009

He did use this jutsu during the end at the Land of Waves arc, but he also commented "at least it will scare them [Gato's thugs]". Jacce 15:46, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

o ok i thought that was just shadow clone jutsu thanks for clearing it up Alexfkdianna 22:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Can I had that Shadow Clone jutus is a forbidden technique since the person has to use so much chakra and could possibly die if doing it. Since this is the case, how can Kakashi do this technique, can someone explain? [User: Coolbloo12]]

Deamon Fox, Chakra Seal
This shouldn't be in jis jutsu box, technically, its just a tag given by jariya to kakashi, kakashi only needs to put this on his naruto....so can this be classified as HIS jutsu -if its a jutsu at all-...kakashi doesn't know how to create this seal, jariya does...AlienGamer

I dont think i explained my point of view very well...but i cant see how to make it clearer...hopefully whoevr reads this will understand wat i'm tryin to say...AlienGamer


 * Would it be considered a weapon? ~SnapperTo 18:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm going to make a try to explain. Since Kakashi diden't create the chakra seal, just used it, it should't be listed in his infobox. Did I get it right?
 * I'm going to let you guys decide whether that seal should be considerd a ninjutsu or not. However, I would like to ad that we keep weapons in the list. Jacce 18:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Aite...But frm my point of view, its no different frm an explodin tag....Maybe the person who created it a.k.a jariya, can hav it, but kakshi is only a user no differnt frm a user of an explodin tag....again my point of view.....AlienGamer


 * it could be seen as a sealing jutsu, as he still needs to attach it to naruto, but as it is not know whether or not he can duplicate it; it should be excluded. but jariya should have it as he is known to have made it


 * All things listed in the Jutsu infobox have some unique relevance to a character. Thus we list Jutsu that they use. A chakra seal that can be used by anyone isn't relevant to anyone but the person who can make it. Likewise we don't list exploding tags because they are generic weapons, the difference between them is that anyone can make a exploding tag, while a seal isn't made by as many. But nonetheless that is only relevant to the person making it, not the person using it. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Apr 19, 2009 @ 11:12 (UTC)


 * ok it may not be a jutsu but in the infomation box it is listed as users not the maker, and the seal is unique unlike the exploding tags Fawcettp (talk) 11:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Popularity
I heard that if one summed up all the votes from all of the popularity polls, Kakashi would have the most in total, making him the single most popular char in Naruto. Could someone please take his time to verify this, and in case it be true, make an appropriate adnotation in the article? Thank you. - Xfing
 * It is true.  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 17:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Jutsu for the Sharingan!
I don't think we should add the Justu Kakashi copied from his sharingan since it isn't his move and he copied and he forgets it afterwords!Vegerot (talk) 04:42, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * We don't as far as I know. That's something we already agreed to exclude some time ago. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Apr 17, 2009 @ 04:52 (UTC)

kVegerot (talk) 04:55, 17 April 2009 (UTC)↔

Sannin
If he was trained by the fourth hokage couldn't he be a sannin. by guest23478


 * no, as the title of sannin was given to those who hold it by one of there opponents (not because they were trained by the 3rd) Fawcettp (talk) 01:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Summons In Ability Section
Within the abilities portion of the article, I believe there is no mention of Kakashi's ninja dogs, which I think, though rarely used in their entirety, is a relevant ability, but I am not familiar enough with the series to know all of the details on them.

Invasion of Pain Arc Edit Needed
I cannot seem to edit the page for Kakashi, perhaps it's locked. However Chapter 449 has been released and an edit needs to be made to say that Nagato brought Kakashi back to life using the King of Hell statue. Revan46 (talk) 05:34, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The lock will lift today. Jacce | Talk 05:39, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

But that means that Kakashi was dead!!!!!!!!Vegerot (talk) 04:05, 31 May 2009 (UTC)!!!!
 * And now he is back. Jacce | Talk 06:36, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Well new chapter out.Elementite (talk) 21:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * All in all, Kakashi is alive. and thats all we care about. --Hamachi1993 (talk) 14:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)Hamachi1993

Raikiri
i think Raikiri needs to be added to Kakashis jutsu list, it's better than the chidori and as it has it's own name everytime Kakashi uses it i think we can assume it's an offical jutsu, so could someone please add it to his list of Jutsu--Yondaime1987 (talk) 23:29, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Lightning Blade. ~SnapperTo 19:24, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Ahh ok, this site usually uses the Japanese names so i didn't think to look for the English--Yondaime1987 (talk) 23:29, 21 June 2009 (UTC)