Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-26773508-20151025141217

QuakingStar wrote: LMAO Itachi can cast any Genjutsu from so far that its out of a sensors range. Even Tsukuyomi. There is literally NOTHING and nobody saying he can't in manga or databook. Naruto flying means shit all. His full force Tsukuyomi is very powerful, he even held back when using it on Kakashi and Sasuke in P1 and they were STILL incapacitated. It affected their brains and bodies. It is NOT normal Genjutsu. Naruto would still lose if he was caught in it. But yeah back on topic, Jiraiya cannot win this.. There is nothing in the manga that says Itachi can cast Tsukuyomi in long range. In fact, Curse of Hatred and Prodigy hero just contradicted you. So stop putting Itachi on such a high pedestal. Itachi can kick pre-Hagoromo Naruto's ass quite easily, perfect jinchuriki or not. But SPSM Naruto is entirely different thing. If genjutsu were so effective against SPSM Naruto, then Rinnegan Sasuke, who put all the 9 bijuus in a genjutsu with a single glance, would have genjutsu'd Naruto in their final fight at VotE.

Itachi was also tying Sage Mode Kabuto as an Edo in Taijutsu. "Tying" as in "getting slashed into half by SM Kabuto"? You're underplaying SM Kabuto too much.

Minato 87 wrote: Itachi can beat EMS Madara because he has Sword of Totsuka to seal Madara's PS. Rinnegan Madara is much stronger than Itachi. Perfect Susanoo is made of pure chakra. I highly doubt chakra can be sealed by the Sword of Totsuka into an "eternal, blissful genjutsu". How the hell will PS fall for a genjutsu when PS isn't a sentient being with consciousness? So no, Itachi doesn't beat EMS Madara.

Minato 87 wrote: If Itachi used Izanami on Jiraiya of course he won't need to use Susanoo. Izanami won't work on people like Jiraiya. Itachi will simply be wasting an eye for something that won't work.

GreatestSin wrote: PS: i disagree with you about itahi vs jiraya, i dont think itachi wins, he has a extreme limited chakra pool, if jiraya drags this out he will win, and if he forces itachi into susanoo than it will end even faster, totsuka can be dodged since the sword is only as fast as the susanoo arm which is swinging it,

furthermore, the shield stops attacks from one direction but jiraya can also change make the ground muddy and therefore dimish susanoos defense,

to make it worse jiraya has sound genjutsu which can be used even if they dont face each other directly, jiraya on the other hand only needs to avoid eye-contact (which still requires itachi to charge his eye with chakra before using tsukuyomi), plus in sage mode he could sense itachis move since he would feel the chakra stored in either of his eyes, than he could create a waterwave that blocked itachis field of vision ^_^

all in all, jiraya has way moe chances to take itachi down than otherwise, exspecially since itachi is the one who is forced to attack because of his far smaller chakra pool :) Yeah initially I thought Jiraiya would win too, since I recall how exhausted Itachi was after using Tsukuyomi on Part 1 Kakashi for just 3 seconds. But this is healthy Itachi. He'll still suffer enormous stress from using a single MS jutsu (as we saw from Sasuke, who was healthy yet suffered incredibly for using MS jutsus).

But the thing is Itachi is quick and smart. SM Jiraiya can match Itachi with speed and can even react properly against MS techniques, thanks to SM's incredible sensory capabilities. But in order to do that, Jiraiya would have to go to SM first. We all saw in Jiraiya vs. Pain that Jiraiya needs some time to go into Sage Mode. So he needs a place where he can hide and evade Itachi long enough to go into SM. In the case of the fight against Pain, Jiraiya hid and evaded Pain inside the intricate network of pipes that ran throughout Amegakure. He'll need a similar place to hide against Itachi. If it isn't there, he'll have to create conditions where he can hide. If he can't do that, sooner or later Itachi strikes with his genjutsu arsenal or MS techniques and Jiraiya will be dead.

It's the same case with Ma and Pa's sound genjutsu. They both need to sing in sync with each other, which can take some time. That puts them on a disadvantage, as the singing can alert Itachi to Jiraiya's location if he's hiding. Also, the moment Itachi hears them sing, he'll immediately contemplate the possibility that Jiraiya is trying to use a sound genjutsu, and so he'll take appropriate countermeasures if the sound fails to put him under a genjutsu.

In a nutshell, it's Jiraiya who actually seems to have limited options, not Itachi.