Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-31948035-20170603210118/@comment-30168130-20170705203611

well, in base (without susanoo, or rinne augments), madara is prolly stronger. but since we are comparing madara without the tt, he might not be able to use 5 limbos, but something like 2 or 3. and his regen can only heal so much, so I wouldn't rely on it too much. jutsu is basically out of the equation (jutsus that can be absorbed, at least) since both have rinne. taijutsu is arguable imo. sasuke seems to have more technique, but madara's intuition, experience and what not, make up for it. another thing to argue, is that for pre-tt madara to able to fight on equal footing with sasuke, he would need to be alive, have both rinne, and require sm (the sm is needed in madara's case, cuz of sasuke bigger chakra quantity after getting chakra from hago, which makes his chakra bigger in quantity, and better in quality. madara cant match that by using normal means, so I would say that he might need hashi's sm to do it). now for the susanoo part. lets be honest. size is something that madara's takes by far, which would make his power as strong as sasuke's sp chakra susanoo (talkin bout PS over here, btw). so power seems to be equal, but sasuke's susanoo seems to be more advanced in some ways (it can use sasuke's own jutsu as his own, making it more powerful, while madara's hasn't shown such an ability yet). that gives sasuke the last bit of edge in this battle, making him the winner. but after madara became the ttj, his power increases in base as well, so his physicals might be comparable to sasuke's susanoo if he uses asura path to augment his ttj body. so the final answer is: any madara before getting the juubi loses to sasuke, but after becoming ttj, he wins by having almost twice as much power as sasuke. we could pit vote sasuke's bijuu susanoo vs juudara+ ems+ both rinne to see who wins. this would be a pretty close match.