Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-29393962-20180426234208/@comment-31099706-20180428051218

Vladosaurus wrote: Again, that was because of Orochimaru. Orochimaru dispatched that gas that weakened Sasuke, from his body. On the other hand, Sasuke had nothing to do with Orochimaru being weakened.It`s not the same thing, at all. It`s as saying that Naruto took advantage over Sasuke in their last battle because Sasuke was weakened,yet it was Naruto who made Sasuke weak because of their fighting. What you are saying makes no sense.

Orochimaru was already weakened while Sasuke got weakened fair and square by Orochimaru in their battle. But again, Sasuke literally stated that he only defeated Orochimaru because he was weakened. So please, don`t try to talk nonsense to already stated things, and obvious things might i add. To be honest, Oro was ill because Sasuke wad late to reach him. Causing him to wait another three years.

Though if you want something more sensible, than take this, while Oro being ill wasn't because of Sasuke. It was still Sasuke's plan. He waited for Oro to get as physically weak as he can. That makes him more sneakier than Oro. And that's what a Shinobi is. Hiding behind trees and using traps and sneak attacks rather than the whole Chidori and Rasengan power clashes. In a sense, Sasuke did surpass Orochimaru as a shinobi.

And I think it was part of his plan to get Orochimaru's poison in him. Considering it was the only way to absorb Oro into him. Like he said to Naruto and the rest, the only wya he can kill Itachi is if he joins together with Oro. And he did research alot about snakes and Orochimaru, he should have known about that poison, and hence why he used genjutsu priorly. While Oro was healthy or not, in his dimension, while being poisoned, it wouldn't matter. He tricked him proving to be more sneakier and more of a shinobi.

Plus, in topic to the battle, Oro actually lost because of Genjutsu. So even if it was a physically healthy Oro, he would have been done with the Sharingan Genjutsu. As he underestimates Sasuke, just like he did with Itachi. Genjutsu pratically is the best way to defeat someone like Oro, if one lacks power beyond him.

And about Sasuke saying he lost to him because he wasn't at his best. Yes, he said it so, cause most of the time, fighting Orochimaru is not just fighting Orochimaru. The guy has countless edo tensei summons. And it's part of his jutsu. If he just summons some kages as summons, then it would be quite complicated for Sasuke to handle Oro.

And about Naruto surpassing Jiraya. I don't think he completely surpassed him with Sage mode. Like, come on, Jiraya is a versatile Ninja, Naruto might be stronger than him with sage mode. But he doesn't have the same range of jutsus to match Jiraya. Like Jiraya has every jutsu for every kind of situation, while Naruto by count has four while mastering Sage mode. In comparrision, Sasuke did have his own versatile range of jutsus and schemes for various situations. I believe Naruto surpassed while at the war. But he already did it with power. If that's what you guys mean.