Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20180513035214/@comment-33308438-20180515174108

It&#039;s Not Johnny wrote: It's literally implied in every single way that he meant Kyuubi. The fact that it was relative size to the Kyuubi. The fact that it and the Kyuubi were capable of joining to become Majestic Attire (on three separate accounts). The fact that they seem relative in power. The fact that half the Kyuubi in Kurama Avatar (stronger than full Kyuubi because it was with a Jinchuriki), full Eight Tails with a Jinchuriki, Kakashi, and Guy together couldn't scratch the first form of the incomplete Juubi. The fact that Madara never used the Susano'o with the Juubi. etc. Madara's Susano'o can't cut through anything in the universe if Hashirama's Wood Golem stopped it.

Madara didnt use Perfect Susanoo in his fight with Hashirama so your wrong there. He used Susanoo's Majestic garb/Armour to wrap the Kyuubi. He even admitted he's using PS for the first time during that fight with Gokage.

Maybe he was referring to all the Bijuu combined. Maybe not Jubi. AsianReaper@ Maybe. Though there's the fact you cant use ocular abilities when you're Jubi's Jinchuuriki like Obito faced. Which might/might not be a reason he couldnt use PS with Jubi.

LegionZero@ You're ignoring several facts here. Hashirama suppressed the Jubi with zero difficulty with God Deity Gates and the Juubi released a TBB inside the barrier yet the gates were ineffected. Jinchuuriki are stronger than Bijuu and he broke the gates after becoming Jinchuuriki. You cant prove it was science when no one has visited the moon in thier entire life where the Otsutsuki established thier residence.

FlatZone@ He said might be stronger than Tsunade at first look. Proving he was so impressed enough to put her above tsunade. He remember's 5 year old tsunade or around that age. Madara has also stated that he was using Perfect Susanoo for the first time yet he knew its sword can cut everything in the universe.

Even Naruto after seeing a blind Sasuke confirmed he needed Kyuubi powers to beat him. Its not like naruto could measure Sasuke's strength or something like that.