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I don't get it there is no proof that Naruto just used Hagoromo's power and was able to produce youton Rasenshuriken not to mention he was able to produce all the Bijuu Rasenshuriken and that is enough proof for him to have tailed beast chakra, he was definitely able to use Tailed Beasts chakra for Rasenshuriken I mean you've seen it right? Naruto asks Son Goku to lend him chakra, there are many instances where the tailed beasts help him in different situations. If it was just Hagoromo power then why didn't Sasuke use any tailed beast chakra powers? Sasuke got eyes and Naruto got Hagormo's body you said that right? but it wasn't stated anywhere not in databook, but we can assume it and it is correct since it was his Rinnegan manifested in Sasuke's eye and so Hagoromo divided his chakra into two halves and gave it to Naruto and Sasuke, he didn't repeat the mistake he did with his sons. So I'm saying what is the proof that Tailed Beasts are not involved in this mode do you have any? All the Tailed Beasts were shown in panels and they are fractions of Tailed Beast chakra which manifested as conscious being in Naruto's mind. Unless you are saying using tailed beasts power does not count in this mode it can be common to all of Naruto's modes.

Hagoromo unlocked Naruto's potential to use tailed beasts chakra or chakra of any nature in Naruto that is what I call a gift. I mean how can anyone ignore all the tailed beasts power he used. You don't have to be spoon fed with just databook you know you have to understand manga also, It is most likely possible that databook missed this information just like with Danzo's summon and lot of other things.

Another proof is the Rinnegan marking and 9 magatama marking on back of Naruto's cloak, only the cloak lightens up, his skin does not glow. This is similar to Sage Hagoromo and Obito and Madara's cloak after they became Jinchuriki of the Ten-Tails. You have to understand the 9 bijuu's chakra mixed together gives Ten-Tails. Hence the marking on back of Naruto and I'm not talking about magatama markings around the neck and collar since they are found in every mode of Naruto even in RSM.

Again you are taking Kurama's cloak too seriously, as I have said Kurama has larger influence on the cloak since Naruto and Kurama can mix the chakra to form the cloak of KCM/RM/RSM, which does not mean other tailed beasts are not accounted for. No Tailed Beast have shown the characteristic cloak. And he does have them inside so that is why the tailed beasts emerged from ground after he met Hagoromo and later they helped him undo the Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Hagoromo+Kurama=Six Paths Sage Mode is not necessarily true and just because it is absent or someone did not decipher the meaning correctly doesn't mean it is true. We have seen the Tailed Beasts in manga helping him, now your explanation that Tailed Beasts were not in him and he communicated them which were located somewhere contradicts the statement of Hagoromo explanation of undoing Infinite Tsukuyomi i.e., the person with all 9 Bijuu + person with Rinnegan should form a Rat Hand Seal to undo Infinite Tsukuyomi.

Bear in mind that this mode's cloak is not everything, you can see the ( + ) marking in his eye without pigment and he was in that mode, he was in Six Paths Sage Made (RSM) and that is why he was able to kick Truth-Seeking Ball and produce Lava Release RasenShuriken.

GodlyHades wrote: Sadly, that is as much as proof as me saying Naruto’s RSM is Hagoromo’s power + Kyuubi chakra: I. No other tailed beasts are implied to have given Naruto their power during RM’s activation/RSM’s activation II. Naruto’s RSM activation had the same Kanji as KCM/BM III. Naruto used the tailed beasts power individually, instead of combining them fruitlessly like JJ Jin’s IV. Naruto’s RSM form behaves the same way as Kurama’s chakra.

I. Yes they are implied, first the Tailed Beasts assembled in circle before Hagoromo, next all the tailed Beasts helped him as shown in panels. You are confused because RM cloak looks similar in appearance to RSM. That is why you are saying Kurama's chakra involved and no other Jinchuriki's chakra is involved, I'm saying it is not involved in cloak yes but it is involved in his techniques.

II. Again you are referring to Kurama because you have seen the common thing that is Kyuubi mode and RSM looks same due to Kurama's chakra the sound is definitely for the flame Kanji and also when Naruto was in Kyuubi mode but it doesn not mean the Tailed Beasts are not there in this mode the Tailed Beasts are involved.

III.How do expect that would look. You mean like Avatar series Aang with 5 elements. When he fought Kaguya he made shadow clones not normal clones and he performed the technique simultaneously with Tailed Beasts' chakra that is, Sage Art: Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken.

IV. The same thing again and again, It is because he is the Jinchuuriki of Kurama. GodlyHades wrote: Naruto without the cloak is PURE Hagoromo’s chakra which connected him to the TAILED BEASTS. Unless you are saying Hagoromo’s pure senjutsu is only activated with Psuedo-Juubi Jins (Jinchuriki who have all the tailed beasts).

Now let me blow your mind with one aspect: Hagoromo, who lost the Juubi, still had TruthSeekingBalls and the RSM Cloak. I thought that was a nice find. I'm not saying that, I'm saying The Tailed Beasts gave him chakra during his fight with Obito and he couldn't use it but when he met Hagoromo and because of Hagoromo's gift he was able to use the Tailed Beasts power so Hagoromo unlocked his capability to use those chakra and Naruto can quickly grasp chakra of any nature (also stated in databook). See simple enough. Of course Naruto was able to communicate with them since the tailed beasts chakra was in Naruto's body and they can also communicate through his mind.

Hagoromo is spirit and has taken physical form because of chakra now and he can take any form he wants, For Example: like How Obito looked like a child when he entered Kakashi's mind. So it's not out of realm of possibility that he has Truth Seeking Balls without Juubi inside. He had Truth Seeking Balls before I have seen Shakujo when he was fighting Ten-Tails so it is also possible that Truth Seeking ball do not depend on whether Juubi is inside or not. And about the markings I'm sure it is his design that is manifested in cloaks of Madara, Obito and Naruto. So the magatama markings and Rinnegan are not that much of a proof.

what I'm saying is that Tailed Beasts were present inside him they gathered around him when Hagoromo was giving his gift, and also the (+) mark without pigment is the most notable feature of this mode, NOT the cloak, because he was present in RSM mode when he kicked the Truth-Seeking Ball and used Son Goku's chakra for lava release Rasenshuriken to cut the tree form of Ten-Tails.

EDIT::IF I sounded ticked off, I apologize, sorry but this discussion isn't going anywhere, unless we have proof but you are right I guess. I feel I have seen all the tailed beasts lending him chakra and helping him but it is not mentioned in databook, is the problem of databook. That's how I viewed it so sorry again.