Forum:Updates

Hello everyone, I'm Ten Tailed Fox, I've edited here a few times and am a major editor of other wikia, and am planning on becoming a common editor here as well. That aside, there is something about this wiki that is bugging me. It was brought up on Danzō's talk page; the issue of when you update the site. Now, I realize a few things here.
 * 1) I realize that you guys think the manga is officially released on Friday.
 * 2) I realize that this is the day that you do the updates from the recent chapter

Now, knowing this I bring you my issue. I understand that if you just read spoilers, things can get changed around a bit and it can totally trash the site if we added everything we saw and heard on other sites. However, I see several flaws with your system on this wiki. I can read the actual translated chapter on Wednesday at the earliest, Thursday afternoon at the latest. Bleach Wiki, which I work on occasionally, updates right as the chapter comes out, which is usually Wednesday and shoot I've even seen them update it on Tuesday and still be 100% accurate. If you can read and see the actual chapter on places like OneManga and Manga Stream, you should be able to update the wiki that day. I will not sit here and tell you what to do with your wiki, but it is sad to watch other wiki which I contribute to, update upon the release of a chapter while you guys wait until Friday to update when the actual chapter is already out on OneManga and Manga Stream. I want to see what you think about this, because I know it's bugging more than just me. Thank you for your time. ~ NOTASTAFF Ryun Uchiha (Ten Tailed Fox, Getsueikirite-taichou) (talk) 04:48, February 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * The issue is not just accuracy. The issue is also legality. We (and Bleach Wiki...MY Wiki by the way. Didn't know that did you.) are both scatting a fine legal line by posting spoilers. Bleach Wiki, however is perfectly fine posting "that day", and using .gifs and scanlation images. We are trying very hard not to do those.
 * Just because we haven't been sued yet, does not mean we will NOT be sued.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 10:22, February 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, thank you for that information. It was just something that really bothered me, and I understand where you're coming from if legality is involved. ~ NOTASTAFF Ryun Uchiha (Ten Tailed Fox, Getsueikirite-taichou) (talk) 18:17, February 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not to be a bitch or anything, but how does allowing spoilers on Fridays solve any legality issues that would exist if we updated the site earlier? --ShounenSuki (talk 19:36, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I said skating across legal issues. It's easier to say "It's been out on the internet for a few days so, never knows best I guess. /shrug" than it is to say "We saw it coming a week ago and we prepared for it. /shrug"--TheUltimate3 (talk) 19:51, February 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, so let's say we forget the spoilers and update the site when the chapter is translated and released, which is Thursday, or sometimes Wednesday night. Would that be alright? You already said Bleach wiki does it and is perfectly okay with doing so, and I mean aren't we already in legality issues for updating things that happen in the anime, such as screenshots, etc? I'm not trying to cause issues, I'm just pointing out some things I've noticed. ~ NOTASTAFF Ryun Uchiha (Ten Tailed Fox, Getsueikirite-taichou) (talk) 20:02, February 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Again, the reason its done here is a precaution. Like I said before, the fact that nothing has happened yet is not proof that nothing will happen. I'm more willing to bend to Thursday if anything, but I'd feel much much safer if there was a grace period to avoid adding spoilers. Like I said, scanlations and things like that aren't legal, so I'd rather not get hunted down and sued.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 20:06, February 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well considering I don't want you to be in legal trouble either ^_^ and the fact that more often than not I see the manga on Thursday, I'd be willing to compromise with that, if that would be okay that is. ~ NOTASTAFF Ryun Uchiha (Ten Tailed Fox, Getsueikirite-taichou) (talk) 20:23, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

If legal issues are a concern, we should avoid spoilers until the chapter is actually released in Japan, shouldn't we? --ShounenSuki (talk 21:14, February 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * That implies they haven't been released in Japan when we get them scanlationed.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 23:08, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Which in turn is just gonna add a whole new mess of problems...--TheUltimate3 (talk) 23:09, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * With my vast knowledge of the judicial system, these barely seem to be legal matters. Adding new information is fair game the second someone in Japan legitimately obtains a copy of Shonen Jump (ex. they received their weekly edition in the mail). Legal issues arise when scans of the week's manga are uploaded to the internet, which, other than the occasional image, this wiki does not need to worry about. The only real problem is at what point the new information should be added. My understanding of the spoiler policy is that it was implemented to combat incomplete/misinterpreted/fake chapter summaries that crop up in forums. At the time, these were problems until late Thursday, hence the current "wait until Friday" stance. Now that chapters are competently translated by Wednesday at the latest, waiting two days seems like a waste of time. Wikipedia abides by a "wait until the chapter is scanlated into English" policy, which I think would cause fewer headaches on this wiki than what we're currently using. ~SnapperTo 00:44, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just so it's clear, the manga is released on Mondays in Japan. The Monday after the manga is released on the Internet. In other words, chapter 482, which was released on Wednesday or something, won't actually be released officially in Japan until Monday the 15th.


 * I agree completely with Snapper2 on this one. ~ NOTASTAFF Ryun Uchiha (Ten Tailed Fox, Getsueikirite-taichou) (talk) 01:23, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Interesting....this should be updated to reflect this new bit of information.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 01:42, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * In case there's been some misunderstanding, my knowledge of the judicial system can only be considered "vast" if an occasional Law and Order episode makes one a reliable source of legal advice. ~SnapperTo 07:25, February 13, 2010 (UTC)