Board Thread:Naruto News/@comment-12509038-20150223214650/@comment-5233512-20150328121310

Hiyayaka-kun wrote: "An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing or dropping a Chekhov's Gun earlier on." - http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull

I stand by my earlier comment. Its not Kishi hate or anything like that. Its something that was discussed in depth here about how manga works. Very rarely does someone come up with a complete story and pitch it and it gets syndicated. No, they have a couple drawings, maybe a pilot, and an idea, that's it. Comics in America have similar problems, see Marvel and DC, and all the insane different universes and reality that had to be created because of there being thousands of writers over the past 80 years or so changing continuity.

The fact is that Kishi did not have the story planned out, he didn't even have an outline summary of it, other than he wanted Naruto to visit and meet shinobi from the other villages. That one thing he DID have planned, got uprooted.

So perhaps I should re-state for the record that ALL manga and comics with the few exceptions of ones that have already been preplanned are asspulls because they simply make shit up as they go along. To hell with continuity, under developed plotlines, and foreshadowing that is never later touched upon.

Nice to see TV Tropes being used. Such a great time-sinker.

Hiyayaka-kun wrote: I stand by my earlier comment. Its not Kishi hate or anything like that. Its something that was discussed in depth here about how manga works. Very rarely does someone come up with a complete story and pitch it and it gets syndicated. No, they have a couple drawings, maybe a pilot, and an idea, that's it. Comics in America have similar problems, see Marvel and DC, and all the insane different universes and reality that had to be created because of there being thousands of writers over the past 80 years or so changing continuity.

The fact is that Kishi did not have the story planned out, he didn't even have an outline summary of it, other than he wanted Naruto to visit and meet shinobi from the other villages. That one thing he DID have planned, got uprooted.

So perhaps I should re-state for the record that ALL manga and comics with the few exceptions of ones that have already been preplanned are asspulls because they simply make shit up as they go along. To hell with continuity, under developed plotlines, and foreshadowing that is never later touched upon.

I agree. The "Naruto Pilot" manga was completely different in premise from the "Naruto" series that we know despite the similar themes.