Talk:Kāma Rift

Rename
Based on Isshiki teleporting himself via this technique to Konoha, it would appear Kama isn't the source of the jutsu. So should this article be renamed to something along the lines of "Ōtsutsuki Rift"? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 06:40, August 21, 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. It could also be called "Ōtsutsuki Space–Time Ninjutsu" or "Ōtsutsuki Dimension Rift" for more ideas.--Steveo920 (talk) 13:26, August 21, 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd like to retain "rift" in the title as well. I'm just puzzled as to why they'd make another Ōtsutsuki space-time ninjutsu, they already have Yomotsu Hirasaka. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:06, August 22, 2020 (UTC)
 * We already have several in fact. Yomotsu Hirasaka, this thing and kamui looking one Kinshiki used that doesn't have article.--Elve Talk Page 06:33, August 22, 2020 (UTC)
 * I totally forgot about this, but when I went to add the fūinjutsu classification per the topic below, Amado also tied this to the Kama. Taking Amado at face value about it, I think this would remain an appropriate name. If he's lying or incorrect, then a better name should still be required. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Chapter 50
Page 37 of the new chapter, Amado states this technique is a fūinjutsu. Should this still be listed as a space–time ninjitsu? --OmegaRasengan (talk) 16:12, September 18, 2020 (UTC)
 * It's still a space-time tech. Just add fuin to it. Munchvtec (talk) 16:26, September 18, 2020 (UTC)

Add alternative name
When I checked Boruto Chapter 37 (Jump Version), Naruto Naruto refers to the Kāma Rift technique used by Isshiki as Jikūkan Idō. Should we add this as an alternative name for this technique, as is the case with Kamui?
 * Not really. Back then, before we knew it was Kamui, this was the only for the only teleporting jutsu around. This term has since been used with other teleporting jutsu (not just this one), but also non-jutsu means of teleportation, like Kara's gates. Jikūkan Idō is basically what they all do. I'd go as far as suggest that it be removed as an alternate name for Kamui. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:14, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Dojutsu connection or separate technique?
the most recent chapter showed this technique or one of identical usage being used from isshiki's dojutsu(with an extra spoke implying it was a 5th ability unlocked) should it be considered a different application of the unnamed portal used by karma and isshiki(we don't really know the relation between them) or a different technique considered a part of isshiki's unnamed eye. we have made separate pages for space-time technique of near identical form with different application though right now idk if there is enough distinction between these examples. zacharyman1mil - Talk - 19:11, January 19, 2023 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't say the extra spoke is like saying the dojutsu has that many techniques. The number of spokes could be simply how much the dojutsu or his own Otsutsukification has matured, similar to how Sharingan go from one to three tomoe. I wouldn't say what he used was a new jutsu, just something he can use more freely now that he is a proper Otsutsuki, so he doesn't have to use it through the Kama anymore. This was brought up in the first topic of this talk page when Isshiki used it himself without a Kama, and later Amado still attributed it to Kama. It might something like the chakra suppression or flight that is available to Otsutsuki in general. The possible renaming of this was also discussed before. Whatever it is, I still favour it having rift in the name, in the absence of a proper name. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:52, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
 * So far we have seen potentially 5 different abilities used through this eye: sukunahikona, daikokuten, manipulatable cubes(possibly their own technique or just weird objects), seeing lifeforce, and using the rift. so it is very possible the increase in number is correlated to unlocking more of its capabilities. the chapter did show the rift being used directly from his eye so kawaki/isshiki's version seems to stem from their eye while momoshiki's source is unknown and only seen in karma form. granted all of this is unexplained and pretty much everything we know about this(still unnamed!) eye is based purely on what we observe. I think what was shown at the end of this chapter is at least enough to consider the rift a technique of the eye even if it has other sources(like yomotsu hirasaka) zacharyman1mil - Talk - 04:10, January 20, 2023 (UTC)
 * Kawaki has yet to demonstrate seeing life force, so that wouldn't track with each spoke meaning a different technique for him. So far, this is a much more elaborate assumption than just plain maturing. The effect and the rift shown in chapter 77 still looks otherwise the same as what both Kawaki and Boruto have shown using through the Kama, and what Isshiki himself used to get Kawaki through Naruto's chakra. Boruto/Momoshiki using it means it doesn't depend on Isshiki's dojutsu, Isshiki using it himself means it doesn't quite depend on Kama. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:09, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Kawaki wouldn't need to use that lifeforce sight in most situations(really we don't even know what uses it has) and since he so far has shown to be capable of everything we have seen Isshiki do its very likely he can use the visual enhancement capabilities as well. I think we should still make note of the rift being used through the eye as that is clearly how Kawaki is using it at the end of the most recent chapter: his karma is not active, he is not making any hand motions towards them, and the only thing he is doing is looking at them with his newly matured eye which wouldn't be active unless he was using it. zacharyman1mil - Talk - 11:04, January 22, 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this should be merged with Sasuke's jutsu since it also looks similar. We’ve seen now that Kāma isn’t always required to make a portal. Just label a combined page as both a Rinnegan and Isshiki Dōjutsu. And although it's just in the game, Shinobi Striker also has one named space-time jutsu used by Sasuke, Madara (don’t recall him using anything but Kamui) and Isshiki. OmegaRasengan (talk) 20:05, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Still doesn't work because Boruto's use of it has no dojutsu component, still against merging it. Sasuke's very clearly depends on his Rinnegan, him losing access to it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:55, 30 July 2023 (UTC)