Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36512555-20180814043009/@comment-34194151-20180823221337

@Jason

Madara was in mid-air, falling, distracted by lava, and he chose to do a guard. Alive madara blitzed sage naruto in a similiar way, except naruto was standing on the ground and could have evaded the kick. Alive madara still has better stats than his edo version apparently, but that just at least gives us a ballpark on his speed. Otherwise he is featless.

I don't have much of a problem with your other points. IDK how fast Obito is anymore tbh.