Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34656247-20180528093116/@comment-33286580-20180529073027

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

By saying that i was referring to his age range, the one that fought Minato minus wood release..guess i really put it in a wrong way ;_; saying 14 yr old obito would've been better...

Okay.

Yeah. that should be better description in thread up there.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Non-eye contact genjutsu is normal? ik about the normal non sharingan one, but what abou the one Itachi uses, requiring finger and stuff..and genjutsu mirage crows ?_?

Normal in all regards, just like the lightning Genjutsu by the bodygaurd of A being used or sound genjutsu by Tayuya.

Itachi wasnt someone who needed to rely on his Sharingan alone to use Genjutsu. that is how good he was at Genjutsu.

Also, all the Genjutsu were used on Naruto, who was pants at Genjutsu. Even Itachi had to rely on his eyes to trap others in Genjutsu.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

It was two tsukuyomi, one on sasuke and one on Kakashi, plus a single use of amaterasu.

the one on Kakashi was used in Konoha and this one in a town away from Konoha. we donot how much time had passed, but it is clear some time had passed by. his eyes probably recovered a bit.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Also though he was dying he had to stay alive to complete his plan so he wasnt really throwing away techniques, he had to stay alive to seal oro. If he was indeed throwing away techniques wildly then he would've died before he would've died ;_;. So sick Half blind Itachi, used tsukuyomi (the power level is unclear), susanoo, spammed amaterasu, clone, fire release, 2 genjutsu (i think), shuriken jutsu (for about 20 sec?). Now those will have to multiply greatly since this itachi has a fresh Mangekyou plus healthy chakra.

Even half dead he could seal away Oro. that's how powerful Totsuka sword is. only probably a tug of war of souls could stop it probably, something Orochimaru has no idea how to do.

most of the common jutsu really do not pose much of a backlash on his eyes. as we are talking about MS and his backlash.

he used Tsukuyomi once, and he didnt spam Amaterasu. he used it 4 times (manga). 1st to counter fireball, 2nd, 3rd and 4th to burn Sasuke of which the first two Sasuke dodged. after that he was unable to use his amaterasu eye more or less.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Also obito without H.cell's KAMUi drawbacks is unclear, like itachi feeling backlash from every usage of amaterasu.

yeah. how much can he use Kamui is the question. he is a natural born Uchiha so he has a better scope with MS but non Hashirama cell Obito was actually inferior in Kakashi in all regards. so it really doesnt give him great advantage.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Sasuke used stage 2 susanoo as well, remember he shot an arrow at danzo...this arrow will be useful against almost everyone in team Minato, except for Minato. Kakashi is definitely faster than hiruzen and Jiraiya yet he had to resort to kamui to evade that arrow and not his physical speed.

Oh. so it is Sasuke before he acquired EMS. or more specifically when he fought Danzo.

i assumed him to be the one who fought the Kage.

it does give him advantage. but the most arrows he could shoot was 3. and dont forget that danzo actually diverted it by using wood release so it isnt like they cannot be defended against. Minato can FTG them away or others use some tactic to divert it.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

These guys are basically the kings of analysis mostly Madara and Itachi, with them having the sharingan makes it worse. Also we'll stick to what Hiruzen at that age was shown to use xD

Hiruzen in the war showed that he can close to guess the basics of the jutsu being used. its chakra nature. while clashing with the Spiral Zetsu buddha he immidiately saw through the jutsu being used and used the same jutsu to counter it.

yeah, Madara, Itachi, Minato are all good at analysis. but they are so no par on the Professor.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

AGREE on the Minato part greatly. But he's definitely not gonna solo this team, I think Izuna just lacked reaction time that lead to his death, killer bee was able to counter Minato after he used FTG to appear behind of BEE and no kunai was there only the FTG seal which bee didnt know of. So these aren't fodder Iwa nin, Yondaime .-.

Izuna certainly didnt seem to lack reaction time. he too had MS and had fought the brothers on countless occassion. it is said by Kakashi that Sharingan cannot follow FTG Minato.

B used his mind. and that was real great feat by B. he probably sensed the tag on his tail and made the conclusion.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

For him to enter sage mode his hands must be placed together and his actual movement will be greatly reduced, so the uchihas would definitely suspect that he is up to something...wont they? Sasuke's susanoo arrow is a perfect counter for this.

First of all he doesnt need his hands placed together to enter Sage Mode. he was doing so to gather chakra to summan Ma and Pa. once he does that the two can simply join with with Jiraiya and provide him with the Senjutsu to enter Sage Mode. that is what the combination was supposed to be for. to weed out the weakness of Senjutsu.

and just because he took a stance should not really mean much to the Uchiha team. it isnt like they know of Sage Mode Jiraiya. they would assume he intends to use some big ass jutsu. in the meanwhile Jiraiya can use the same strategy he used with Pein and have support of a Toad. he will even have support of his teammates. Minato and hiruzen can even summon backup if needed.

hell, Minato could teleport him to safe distance and give him the minute or so he requires to call ma and pa and go Sage Mode/