Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36366948-20200805112208/@comment-36366948-20200813032511

LegionZero wrote: O please. When they got the intel they just shit themselves. Then Madara stopped using his strongest technique and they still lost hard. They fought tooth and nail and Madara stomped them casually. No amount of planning can make up for that difference in power. And they had a plan. Executed it like, 3 times and it failed. They had Dust release to bypass almost any attack/defense Madara had and they got merced. He needed 25 wood clones using Susano'o to beat the 5 Kage. While that was obviously overkill, they still put up a bit of a fight. There is a difference between learning abilities and coming up with strategies while battling and going into a battle with full intel and a strategy. Pft they were stated to be the threats greater than Kaguya so whatever you based that conclusion on is just wrong. I BASED THAT CONCLUSION OFF OF FEATS. You ask any sane person and they'll tell you that Kaguya stomps base Momoshiki and Kinshiki. They were probably only a threat due to fused Momoshiki. Kaguya can literally insta-kill Kinshiki with her projectiles and can easily beat Momoshiki because without jutsu he's useless. Naruto and Sasuke were able to pressure him while in their base form. While their bases would have obviously increased in power, their base forms would still easily be beat by Kaguya. Stated: it is stated that they are Kage

Shown: in every time they show up in Boruto, they are being Kage.

Not to mention that Sasuke made no effort to gather anyone other than the Kage to help fight Momoshiki and Kinshiki. That was because he had no time. If they had actually made an army and stormed their dimension, the battle would have ended earlier.

Still not using any new abilities, which you knock the other Kage for. Fair point, I'll concede that one to you. If the series revolved more aroumd the Mist we would have a better idea who was recognized to be how powerful at a point in their life. The mist is probably the most underdeveloped village imo. How does that make the Mist weak? A Swordsman being named Mizukage is a kudos to the Swordsman, not somethimg that brings down the name of Kage. That means that the chosen Swordsman is of a higher calibur than tge rest of Swordsman.

Your problem is you believe Chojuro hasnt gotten stronger and because of that you can only rationalize him being named Kage as Kage standards being lowered. That is just not how it works Chojuro is definitely not the strongest mist swordsman to ever exist. Kisame could easily best him, so could Mangetsu and possibly even Zabuza. Chojuro is lucky to be there in a time where there are no powerful shinobi in the mist. While he is powerful and is a standout of the swordsman, he definitely isn't as powerful as Mei or Yagura or Gengetsu.

And at the time he was alive a Jinchuriki was already Kage so it doesnt matter many swords he mastered My point exactly. Chojuro is lucky because the Mist currently has no jinchuriki or any possible contender because of how little exposition the mist has gotten.

Because it takes more than "above average" intelligence to be the leader of a village. Ya know, with having to navigate the politics that come with leading what is essentially a countries military. If someone like Naruto became Hokage, then I don't think a high amount of intelligence is needed. Don't get me wrong, Naruto isn't dumb, it's just that he isn't known for his intelligence. You keep assuming points. Kurotsuchi has never once been stated to have anything but above-average intelligence. In fact she has made pretty dumb decisions as can be seen in the second Shikamaru novel, where her plan was to blame Konoha and leave the Shinobi Union (when she just needed an excuse to leave) and start a war with one of Kumo's allies (Chojuro was also on board with this dumbass plan btw).

Based on what? That you dont like their movesets?

Here Chojuro and Kurotsuchi(alongside 2 other Kage) are competing with Otsutsuki while Onoki amd Mei (with the help of 3 other Kage) were getting roflstomped by Madara So you're telling me that if Kurotsuchi and Chojuro (while they're adults) were kage during the war, they'd do better against Madara? In fact they'd do far worse beacuse they wouldn't have Onoki's knowledge or Mei's boil release. Kurotsuchi would only be able to restrain Madara at best and Chojuro wouldn't even be able to get close to him. Stop making these weird scaling comparisons when you know Onoki would beat Kurotsuchi and Chojuro would lose to Mei in a one-on-one fight.

You make it seem like she only has those 2 jutsu When it comes to lava release, yeah! Those are the only lava release justu she's ever used lol. Because her techniques/fighting style doesmt suit your tastes. There you go again. Throwing away my arguments because you think I'm biased. If you would actually scroll up and see my previous posts you would see that I think that because Kurotsuchi has no counter to the Earth Sandwich tech. You said she can melt it with lava and then I said she has never used corrosive lava. Never once did I imply that she loses because I have a hate boner for her.

Until Kinshiki is revealed/shown/stated to have attempted and fail to split a planet, then the statement is indesputable, because there is no evidence to prove that statement false.

No statement made by the databook that has no contradicting information is disputable. Kinshiki cannot split a planet. He's shown nowhere near that power. And if he has that power, why was he finessed so easily by Sasuke, Kurotsuchi and Chojuro. This is where my confusion occurs. Sasuke, Chojuro and Kurotsuchi have never shown any planet splitting feats. If Kinshiki was so strong, why couldn't he break out of Kurotsuchi's lava release?