Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180903093859

CombatIQmatters wrote: @Hagoromo

The issue is I'm trying to say that six paths sage mode does NOT equal six paths senjutsu. Naruto is the only user of six paths sage mode. But in addition to six paths sage mode, he also has six paths senjutsu. Madara and obito never had six paths sage mode. They had six paths senjutsu. Naruto however had both six paths senjutsu and six paths sage mode. Please read this carefully. on this very wiki only naruto is listed as a user of six paths sage mode, check the article. six paths senjutsu is a separate list, which includes naruto and the other TTJ.

Naruto in base can use six paths sage mode after meeting hagomoro. This is the form in which he kicked the tSo, and used lava style rasenshuriken vs juudara. he doesn't need the juubi chakra to use six paths sage mode. The juubi chakra when, kneaded, grants him is six paths senjutsu kurama chakra mode + truth seeking balls.

You can’t say Naruto is in base if he’s in rsm that’s a contradiction. Second his level of power increasing as madara noticed debunks him being in rsm. Third that increased power was confirmed to be rikudo senjutsu. Fourthly, that rikudo senjutsu was always achieved prior to both times he entered rsm. Fithly, yes rikudo senjutsu and rikudo sage mode are different, that doesn’t change the fact that the sage mode requires the presence of the senjutsu. Naruto waited, he didn’t immediately enter rsm, he waited. Why? Because his level of rikudo senjutsu was not enough to maintain rsm. Madara a d obito had the entire biju inside them, they had plenty of juubi chakra, where as Naruto was just able to make enough to last for his next 2 major fights.

Lastly, hagoromo himself, the same man than handed Naruto rsm, he specifially took notice to Naruto having each biju chakra inside him. Knowing this, he then gives him rsm. Why? Because not only is he worthy of it, but with the chakra from each biju he can create the necessary chakra to use it.

So if hagoromo acknowldge the biju as a requirement why isn’t this site? You are free to fact check anything stated. I’m sure it’s all there(in above posts), just don’t deny the evidence when it’s provided.

Being a juubi jinchuriki doesn’t make you a rikudo sage, madara nor obito are sages. That specific sagehood is given by hagoromo, but this in no way changes the fact that being a juubi jinchuriki is a necessary step to enter rsm. So while they didn’t get a meeting with hagoromo to receive the mode it self, they aquired the power needed to enter rsm. Which is also what Naruto did, he acquired the power to enter rsm by having all 9 biju. This is acknowledged in manga by gyuki shukaku kurama and hagoromo himself.

LegionZero wrote: @combat: Hagoromo and Hamura were half human, they are not genetically pure. Half their geneology didnt even have the ability to create chakra. Their chakra is not identicle to Kaguya's and they didnt receive her full powers/abilities.

They still didnt need to become host of her or her chakra to attain SPS. No one sought their bodies to attain chakra like the Juubi and recreating Hagoromo's chakra doesnt give the user Juubi qualities. Hagrormo's chakra alone isnt enough to obtain SPS.

Firstly, kaguya became the juubi long after her children were into adulthood. They were each given significant amount of kaguya’ power at birth. This is mainly why she went on the rampage she did, to get that lost chakra back. Even during her war arc revival she was scouting Sasuke and Naruto for their(her) chakra. She never regained that lost power. She was still weakened throughout the war arc because of this.

Now as for you claim that they didn’t need her chakra to achieved rikudo senjutsu, you can’t prove that. It’s a fair guess, but it’ll only be that. You won’t go into detail as to how they achieved it simply because you don’t know, much like the rest of us regarding the rikudo seals. Like I said earlier if you can prove it, it can’t and won’t take away from my point. You don’t always have to be a jinchuriki to achieve the power of a jinchuriki. Naruto is proof of that since he handed out kurama cloaks and since he achieved rikudo senjutsu, the juubi’ chakra, without the physical juubi being inside him.

More importantly six paths of obito solidifies this. He gather previous jinchuriki and siphoned their former biju’ power back into them.