Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170904204034/@comment-33308438-20171010162713

Ninja Of War wrote: @Natrix

@Kakashisologod1 already said most of the responses I wanted to make.

Edo Hiruzen appears on the battlefield in ch631, a few pages later EMS Sasuke arrives, Hiruzen faster than EMS Sasuke.

But, let me just dissect what you retorted.

A wasn't surprised by Sasuke's speed, he was surprised Sasuke could damage him. That is not an indication of speed btw.

You clearly referenced Hashirama wood release level, when referring to Susanoo piercing wood release, Danzo had rudimentary wood release, no where near that. So, not a relevant comparison there.

No, Pain referencing Hebi, not Taka as a threat is no indication of equal footing. Don't hype please.

Naruto's rasengan clearly didn't explode, it dispersed when Madara's Susanoo pushed it away. Also, this fight has nothing to do with Madara and Itachi, so please stay on topic.

Kirin takes a lot of setup and is very obvious technique, Jiraiya can get a toad to reverse summon him out of that.

P.S. You claimed that I am overestimating Jiraiya, but which of the points that I have made say so?

Jiraiya doesn't need SM to win. It was stated A was moving at full speed so Sasuke hitting him with chidori all the while dodging A's punch, clearly means Sasuke with chidori amplifying his nerve transmission as it was stated in part one, is equal to A in speed. Jiraiya doesnt come near that.

Sasuke clearly doesnt need the preparations since he was going to use it with his own chakra against team 7 in early part two. The preparation was bcuz he was outta chakra.

You call it rudimentary but what was clearly shown there was a big broad tree, the size of hashirama's wood release and the arrow pierced right through it not like yamato's wood release which dont create " real trees" instead just the wood part.

Can jiraiya evade Sasuke's chidori blitz? No. When he reverse summons, he'll have to perform hand seals which he cannot do before kirin hits the ground. Not to mention, once chidori hits through his body, he wouldn't be able to move because of the electrocution stunning his nerves.

Seriously, jiraiya has nothing on SusanoO, even A with full speed and force had to punch and slice incomplete ribcage repeatedly to even slightly crack it, jiraiya doesnt have the firepower nor physical strength to crack it, he'd do what madara did if jiraiya ever uses Oodama rasengan.