Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36019309-20190114073523/@comment-31338621-20190206143118

AsianReaper wrote: @BrainBrand I reread the part, you're right, Sasuke didn't talk. However, when Sasuke begins breaking out, Itachi visibly shows surprise that it's happening. He can't show surprise with a preprogramed Genjutsu. Itachi is there, actively manipulating. And he is surprised in there as Sasuke breaks it.

Just got a free trial of Viz, you're right on that count too. In any case, Sasuke just looked tired, while Itachi very freaking out based on his expression there.

Itachi said there is a method that works. My interpretation of Kakashi's words falls in line with that. Your interpretation says Kakashi said there is no way. How does Kakashi figure there is no way when there's no way he'd know there is no way?

You can't just cherry pick Kakashi's words to suit your needs. You have to look at the context of what he was saying. You have to read everything he said, not just separate them at your whim to suit you theory. He said all of these things continuously with no interruptions. How is it not obvious he was still talking about what everyone, including himself, was talking about?

Write a message on their talkpages Itachi could have preprogrammed it too respond, like he would to unexpected situations.

But I'm not cherry-picking lol. I said in my previous post, that Kakashi said there was no cancelling the effects, after he said Chiyo's methods don't work. In the version your using he said basically

"Well that's alright for a normal genjutsu level, but in this case it will be more troublesome. He uses an jutsu that surpasses the original sharingan, the Mangekyou Sharingan. If you struck by his eye jutsu, his genjutsu can affect you in an instant. There is no cancelling the effects. "

Like I said in the post you just mentioned, just because he said there's no cancelling the affects after he said Chiyo's methods won't work, it doesn't mean he was only talking about Chiyo's methods.

Sorry about that, the scene is at 13:53. The reason I'm using anime in this situation is for a couple reasons:

1. The scenes in the anime, regarding Tsukuyomi, are exactly the same as the scene in the manga up to the scene where he says Tsukuyomi is unbreakable. Meaning, he talks about exactly the same things, with no added material about Tsukuyomi, up till that point. 2. It is a highly controversial topic, this can help shed light on it.

3. I couldn't find the original japanese text of chapter 142, in a written down form, so this was the best I could do.

4. It's a Viz translation.