Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36019309-20190114073523/@comment-34656247-20190204224109

Ninja Of War wrote: What I've noticed is that we're not on the same level. Me, posing a question, trying to work out how users think. You, oversimplifying, spinning arguments around, trying to control the narrative and making logical fallacies.

I can't determine whether or not you are doing this on purpose. So, I tried to be as clear as possible but that didn't work. If you can't understand me after repeated attempts why continue? I respect your tactic of evading a question that'll simply drown your argument of non uchiha's breaking tsukuyomi. You can't win the argument if you don't pose an argument. What logical fallacies am i making? if simply asking a question to simplify and argument is consider as such then you need to recheck the meaning.You make the claim that non uchihas can break it, but you fail to provide further evidence to backup your claim, specifically which non uchihas you're referring to and how they'll go about doing so. How I see the situation is that you as the debater is losing so you try to redirect the attention of the audience to another subject area where you think that you'll look better relative to me in this case you failing to answer my question directly, but you admit to no change of subject and pretends to be refuting the original on-subject statement made by me. Not working. You're failing to list the names, because the series has the fact that top tier guys like Orochimaru fail to release basic genjutsu with seconds passing and them still being stuck in it..idk how they'll release an instantaneous one. Nice try though. 2+2=4 is a fact .2+1=4 is an opinion, you need to prove your opinion true but until then i'll rest with the default, that being only sharingan possessors can break it. ANd just to clarify i'm not entirely going against your statements, specifically the Itachi limiting other shinobi's capabilities one, but as shown now by you, it's still a work in progress.

FlatZone wrote: DB2 never said a non sharingan wielding non uchiha could break out. There are translations for Tsukuyomi on the naruto forums literally right now, not to mention the official translated chapters are up for 2 dollars a month right now too. War's theory of the use of the word 'concurrently' in the DB is kinda acceptable, but still not fully convincible. So yeah he kinda proved that part, but what he's failing to prove is how they'll break it, and well who can break it. SO yeah let's accept that his theory makes sense when he said that the DB statement is only limited to a specific point in the series (but then again there was never another tsukuyomi entry in the DB to deny anything that was stateed in the 2nd DB) and instead lets watch his argument on how non uchihas can break it.