Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36632842-20180818184904/@comment-34194151-20180918100251

@Blazerelease, the abc logic works in this case because these genin don't have any specific abilities that create rock paper scissors matchups. Sakon had no trouble with sasuke in CQC, whereas kiba was giving him a run for his money. Sakon wasn't using his full power against sasuke either, so they were both nerfed in the hospital bout. Sakon is fast by hype and portrayal. Nothing says they are slow characters. So the burden of proof is on you to say that rescue arc kiba can't react to sasuke.

And also, it was clearly stated in the canon that gaara's sand improved drastically by the rescure arc, so what's with the gaara downplay now?

Lol, sasuke didn't outsmart orochimaru. orochimaru was having a playday and he was surprised by sasuke's skills, not his intelligence. orochimaru simply chose to catch the shuriken for the lolz. He also could have easily dodged that katon. You are basically saying kid sasuke> orochimaru and that kid sasuke is sannin level, and that orochimaru only survived due to durability. Sasuke literally does that same shuriken trick in most of his battles.

Also, hiding shuriken in fireballs? whoopty doo. Who cares, it's an impressive technique, but the fireballs themselves are lethal enough, zaku shouldn't have been worried about mere shuriken that he can deflect with his wind technique. Actually, physics wise it doesn't even make sense that his wind technique didn't blow back the shuriken. Sasuke didn't even plan that as a trap, he was just firing a technique to get started, shurikenjutsu and fireball jutsu + their hybrids are standard uchiha tactics. we see itachi doing that too, it isn't some brilliant plan. Kiba can just evade those projectiles.

Sasuke is nothing like kakashi. Sasuke isn't dumb but he isn't a clever fighter at all really. He simply gained more experience over time, which is standard. His best feats were purely sharingan related and common sense. his best intelligence feat was Kirin, I'll give him that, but still wasn't the best plan because he overextended his hand without knowing what his opponent was fully capable of. Making a plan that limits you to no other options afterward isn't bright. A good strategist always saves at least one card behind in case something awry happens, it's called expecting the unexpected. Sasuke is more overconfident and less tactical than you think. He tried fighting killer bee in swordsmanship, and wondered how it was possible for him to be losing to a guy who can wield 7 swords while he can only wield one lol. You're telling me it was a smart decision to fight a dude who can juggle 7 swords when you can only wield one? Sasuke lacks insight due to his overconfidence. If he was smarter, he would have used genjutsu from the beginning and used mid-ranged tactics. Just look at how edo itachi fought the same killer bee and you will see itachi approached killer bee smarter, even though he was holding back the best he could. Sure, sasuke can throw in some genjutsu feints here and there, but otherwise his fighting style is extremely linear and spammy. look at his fight with gaara. all he did was use speed, throw some shurikens and stuff, then chidori. He is pretty straightforward. On the other hand, we see kakashi actually using clone feints regularly and when confronted with a new problem, he has shown good adaption skills. For sasuke, There is hardly any strategy used by him outside of his rigged shuriken gimmick and the occasional genjutsu.

Yes please educate me on how killer bee formed a huge smokescreen while in V1 bijuu cloak, and sasuke didn't set any traps while he awaited killer bee to appear, and he simply told karin to warn him about his location. If kakashi was in his shoes, he would have swapped himself out with a clone, but sasuke doesn't do that lol, nor did he set any traps. He waited for killer bee to reappear, then put him in genjutsu, which is something he took forever to think of doing btw. He was inexperienced, so I don't fault him for not knowing that perfect jins have a strong counter to genjutsu, but with the knowledge he had at the time he should have attempted genjutsu at the beginning of the fight before killer bee even noticed, which is what itachi would have done. The genjutsu still creates a split second opening, and they could have used it to incapicate bee without killing him. Sasuke is nothing like the characters people like to compare him to.

So yes, battle begins. Sasuke dodges fang over fang and starts taijutsu with kiba while akamaru plays support. sasuke creates distance and throws rigged shuriken. kiba and akamaru dodge and then throw smoke bomb. when kiba forms a smokescreen, sasuke will stand there and wait, giving kiba time to swap akamaru out with a decoy. The smoke clears, sasuke does a katon or whatever, kiba dodges while carrying the decoy. sasuke attempts to blitz, and kiba throws the akamaru decoy at him. The real akamaru flanks around and jumps in sasuke's blind spot, just like it did to sakon, marking him with dynamic marking. Sasuke runs and dodges after, only to accidentally step on saliva. then fang over fang gg. If akamaru wants to spite sasuke, then they use fang wolf fang gg. and lol, the sharingan doesn't see through all decoys, it couldn't even see through water clones. The only person whose sharingan has a feat of seeing through good decoys is madara uchiha. Also, sasuke made plans to face decoys because he was expecting them, he won't be expecting them from kiba.

Kiba is not as overconfident as sasuke is. he didn't underestimate sakon at all. kiba underestimated naruto, which basically everyone does.