Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30426414-20170602005649/@comment-32177363-20170602030808

If this is War Arc Kakashi and no MS abilities are allowed, definitely Kakashi.

Jutsu's: Kakashi wins: Although Itachi was sick when fighting Sasuke he was still able to muster the strength to pull out his trump card, Susano. He did this in response to Sasuke's Kirin attack remarking, “If it hadn’t been for this I’d been dead; Sasuke you truly have gotten strong.” This implies that Itachi had no other ninjutsu’s in his arsenal that were above Sasuke’s Kirin level. Also throughout the fight Itachi used a lot of MS abilities like Amaratsu, yet Sasuke still held his ground w/jutus's alone. Since MS abilities are usually his last resort, Itachi again probably didn't have a good variety of jutsu's. (Yes Itachi was sick, but he was still obv able to use his jutsu's since he used a Susano; he just had a severely impaired ability to dodge, horrid stamina, and bad vision) We haven't seen a real wind technique from him, and the most powerful water attack we've seen from him is the water dragon bullet which is rank B. Itachi's chakra nature types are limited to: wind release, water release, fire release, and the yin & yang releases.

Kakashi is renowned as the "copy ninja" due to copying abilities. He has years of battle experience and hence tons of opportunities to copy people's abilities, and if you go to Kakashi's page, he has a whole list proving that he knows and has used a variety of different ninjutsu. Kakshi's nature types are: Lightening release, water release, Earth release, Fire release, Wind release, and the yin & yang releases.

Battle experience & intelligence: Kakashi wins. Kakashi has amassed years of battle experience, whereas Itachi probably no longer trained as intensely after defecting. In the few battles that we've seen Itachi in after defecting, he mainly relied on his genjutsu & MS skills to easily beat ninja's who were obviously way below his level (like season 1 Kakashi). Obviously Itachi wasn't getting that much stronger in the realm of battle experience, as he never really had many opportunities to; he was just an Akastuki member following orders. And let's not forget that Itachi as a character cared little for raw power, and treasured wisdom.

Itachi is a 5 in the intelligence book, and as a child he was a prodigy who knew how to throw shunai's and shurikens to make them hit impossible targets at once. He's also calm and analytical when fighting. Clearly Itachi has a lot of brain skills. However, when facing Might Guy in season 1, Itachi had trouble (without Guy even opening his gates), which shows that Itachi isn't great against people who know how to get around his genjutsu and cunning mind tricks.

Going back to Kakashi: by the war Arc, Kakashi had held his ground against Pain who is Sannin level and has 6 paths in a 1v6 fight (for a good amount of time), Kakazu (These guys caught jinchuuriki with ease), and many more. Additionally, his intelligence rank had risen to 5 (maxed) like Itachi's.

Who wins? The question comes down to will Kakashi be able to avoid or subdue Itachi's genjutsu (which no matter how powerful or experienced of a ninjutsu user you are, can sway battles entirely)? The answer is "yes". Reason: If Might Guy can snap out of an A-rank Temple of Nirvana genjutsu, and could hold his ground against an Itachi that wasn't using MS abilities, then Kakashi at this point who is super experienced, much faster, and has foreknowledge that Itachi is an adept genjutsu user, will definitely win.

Kakashi also has his dogs, plus fūinjutsu skills that impressed even Orochimaru. Finally, a Healthy Itachi admitted that he & Kisamé could not beat base Jiraiya (season 1, Itachi was not sick because this Itachi was still the one who Kishi planned to be a cold villain). Which further testifies that even though Itachi is smart, he can only do so much with his arsenal against people who are almost or equally as smart, and have more battle experience and knowledge than him, w/o him resorting to MS abilities.

One edge Itachi has is speed, but War Arc Kakashi raised his speed to 4.5. although Itachi's is still a 5, the difference closed by a LOT since season 1. And if Kakashi brings out his talking dogs, the edge in speed won't even make a difference due to more eyes and ears.

War Arc Kakashi beats Healthy Itachi (with no MS abilities allowed) 4/5 times with medium-high difficulty. Yes, Itachi is smart and cunning with his shadow clones, but he doesn't have a diverse enough arsenal to outsmart a War Arc Kakashi if they aren't using their MS abilities.