Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-45510280-20200416210937/@comment-1207741-20200428185535

Squinty97 wrote: @Snapper2 the basis of me saying it was never shown in any of the countless filler is mainly because the filler and flashbacks are so prevalent in the series, but this one important bit never makes it in. The novels essentially satisfy the definition of filler. Kakashi Hiden is filler because its contents don't happen in the manga, just as Six-Tails Unleashed is filler because its content doesn't happen in the manga. Whether the filler originates from the anime or the novel makes no practical difference.

Squinty97 wrote: Basically, I find more validity in a feat if there's more than one source confirming it. Okay.

Squinty97 wrote: Like, an anime feat that also takes place in the manga Realistically, you shouldn't need the anime to reinforce manga material for the sake of these discussions...

Squinty97 wrote: or is even expanded upon in the anime The novels expand on the manga's material just the same as the anime does. You could consider Tsukuyomi's use one such expansion. Or, if you don't want to accept it as an expansion vis-a-vis Tsukuyomi, accept it as an expansion vis-a-vis "Itachi's lover".

Maybe you're going to give the "Tobi's a liar" argument (I'm unsure if you expressed that view before). But if you did, now you can't. You can't accept expansions upon manga material only to then turn around and not accept an expansion upon manga material.

I don't personally care what material you do and don't believe, but I don't feel cherry-picking is wise.

Squinty97 wrote: I'm sorry you think the discussion is dumb and a waste of time lol. But tbh most discussions are like the one you're describing, where both sides already have an opinion and won't back down no matter what. Other discussions at least have the benefit of all participants agreeing on the same acceptable material. People have different interpretations of that material, but the material itself is not in doubt. This discussion, however, is over what material is or is not acceptable. And that's a more fruitless pursuit.

Let's say that each form of Naruto is a different language: the manga is Latin, the anime is French, and the novels are Spanish. In any other discussion, there's an implicit understanding that everyone should be speaking only Latin or only French, depending on the topic being discussed. In this particular discussion, some people are speaking French, some are speaking Spanish, some are even speaking a Creole. Nobody's going to overcome the language barrier, hence my conclusion that the discussion is dumb.