Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-142748-20160310084512/@comment-27924662-20160319163636

8Gates wrote: Gmanis41 wrote: 8Gates wrote: What am I even reading? Pre-Kinshiki absorption Momoshiki was being pressured by Darui and Gaara in cqc. He tried his hardest to land hits on them but couldn't, so even Base Hashirama getting blitzed by this clown is comical.

Hashirama's clone was stated to be capable of redirecting 4 Super Ten Tail's Bijudama with some Earth Wall support. The original was implied to being capable of handling Obito's Bijudama without support if he were there as implied by Tobirama.

Momoshiki's Bijudama isn't even close to the Ten Tails' Bijudama in power anyway. Shinsuusenju can withstand its explosion or it can just smack it away since the smaller and far less physically powerful Kurama could hold it back to a degree.

With knowledge of Momoshiki's Rinnegan ability, Hashirama can pull off a win against Pre-Kinshiki absorption Momoshiki. In a battle of attrition when it comes to close quarters, Hashirama wins since his clone alone is stated to possesses chakra that is equal or greater to Kurama and Momoshiki doesn't possess that level of chakra simply going by the fact that he needed Kurama to power his own Shinju.

Post-Kinshiki Absorption Momoshiki defninitely wins though, because of his radically increased cqc prowess due to Kinshiki's abilities that needed both Naruto in Six Paths Sage Mode and Sasuke to overcome. Combine this with him being basically immune to ninjutsu due to his Rinnegan's ability and his ability to freely manipulate his surroundings and he pulls off a clean sweep against Hashirama.

Momoshiki kicked Naruto across a stadium, the strongest shinobi in the world other than Sasuke. I doubt he could blitz Hashirama but the fact that he was able to kick Naruto like that shows he can at least overwhelm Hashirama slightly in taijutsu.

Your second point is just false, one of his clone just can't do that. They were trying to alter the trajectory and it wouldn't have worked. However Hashirama (not a clone could deal with a ten tails beast ball)

Third point is so wrong. A clone of Hashirama does not have more chakra than Kurama a tailed beast. And no Momoshiki was not finished absorbing Kurama's chakra, the amount of chakra was miniscule, you could tell when Momoshiki was mad at how slow it was taking. And the chakra didn't power the tree it was supposed to make another fruit.

Also Darui and Gaara are still part of the five kage. They are kage level shinobi and the other 3 kage with Sausuke were in battle. Momoshiki wasn't even really engaging them. Until he had to absorb Kinshiki. Kicking Base Naruto whom hadn't put up a guard in anyway whatsoever due to protecting his son isn't impressive. He can't overwhelm Hashirama in taijutsu. He was clashing evenly with Darui and Gaara without overpowering either, so he has zero chance of overpowering Base Hashirama, let alone Sage Mode Hashirama.

One of Hashirama's clones stated that it would redirect 4 of the Bijudamas with Jukai Koutan and that the alliance should prep Earth Walls. That is the sole reason why Obito put up the barrier.

From chapter 644 Viz(Hashirama talking about Biju Mode Naruto):

''Hashirama's clone: I can't belive that he had shared his chakra with every other shinobi! Hashirama's clone: He's got almost as much chakra as I!''

So yes, Hashirama's clone does possess chakra greater than or equal to Kurama. two things to be mentioned about that wood clone number 1 comparison was done after sage mode not before so it's not hashirama's chakra, it's also includes huge amount of nature energy.also hashirama's chakra theortically won't be more than that of naruto's since botha are reincarnation of Ashura. number 2 it's compared to half of kurama's chakra not the complete thing. also momoshiki may lose if he starts absorbing ninjutsu while fighting hashirama(sage mode) just as pain lost while trying to absorb too much senjutsu chakra(that frog petrification transformation).