Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34678409-20180213061618/@comment-31099706-20180217081002

Animegoin wrote: UltimaDude wrote: Sasuke has caught up and blitzed TTJ-Madara, something his non-TTJ self can only imagine to do. He has also nearly caught SPSM Naruto off-guard. Fighting a bunch of fodders is nothing to shifting landscapes with pure taijutsu. Come back to me when Madara has demonstrated speed and strength of that level. How does Sasuke have a weaker visual prowess when has has demonstrated more impressive Rinnegan techs, such as trapping multiple targets with CT at once with them as the core, absorbing chakra from the trapped targets, and channeling chakra from said targets through Susanoo. Tell me how Madara beats Sasuke

Firstly, your acronyms are atrocious. ‘TTJ’ is actually ‘SO6P’. Secondly, you’re failing pretty hard rn. Sasuke didn’t “catch up and blitz” SO6P Madara at all. He caught Madara off guard two times while Madara was still healing from letting Guy pummel him to his hearts’ content. So you fail with that. And again, where has Sasuke kept up with an ENTIRE army by himself with only his sharingan? And where in that fight did Sasuke shift the entire landscape while just using taijutsu? I see him kicking Momoshiku thru a rock but nothing more lol. And Sasuke’s visual prowess has diminished as seen here: https://youtu.be/QkbwEINhqzE start at 0:38. And for the manga translation that literally says “weaker” click here: http://ww2.readnaruto.com/chapter/naruto-gaiden-the-seventh-hokage-chapter-008/ And scroll down to the last 5 pages. But for you to not know that shows your lack of general knowledge.

And read what I said before you decided to comment in this thread. That’s how Madara would beat Sasuke. And that’s literally just ONE of the MANY ways Madara would win. 😂😂👌 Not to mention that the sheer fact that Kishimoto had to create Kaguya just so Naruto and Sasuke wouldn’t die again against Madara with BOTH rinnegan is proof enough. So here you go, another L for your collection Madara after aborbing the Shinju was still injured? I never saw that coming. By that way, one can say Sasuke was still injured by Madara stabbing him in the heart, atleast that would be more sensible.

Madara literally said "But you are fast, Sasuke." He didn't say, "You caught me off guard!" or "Wait, I'm still injured." But "But you are fast Sasuke." Okay, so how do we break that down? Hmmm, I wonder if Madara was being sarcastic? Did it seem sarcastic? No. He was literally saying Sasuke was fast, after literally standing there seeing him coming.

And Sasuke's visual prowress being diminished? Right... You probably got that from Gaiden, I suppose. Let me explain that here, his eyes(mainly his EMS and Rinnegen) get's powered down after travelling through dimensions too much. It's a temporary power down, the time is though unknown, he recovers all his powers back after the cool downs over. So, no. Sasuke's visual prowress that were already beyond Madara's reach while Sasuke was sixteen, is not diminished. But Madara's chances do.

And Sasuke's taijutsu was strong enough to kick Kimo up high, and beat him up(with Naruto) until he started using ninjutsu.

And as @Ultimadude said, Sasuke did defeat an army of swordsman. When he was at Oro's hideouts, Oro kind of challenged him against a hundreds of his swordsman, who he easily defeated without killing any of them, nor gaining a scratch in return. And this is both in the manga and the anime, so its also canon.

And about how you think Madara will win, among all the other ways you mentioned he could. He can't. For starters, Madara can't just pull a freaking six paths enhanced PS, just maybe TJJ Madara could, but just this Madara? Only in his infinite Tsukuyomi.

And about the rest of it, Sasuke can just counter the forest with a Susanoo slash(the same one that cut through meteorites) or just use the other extremely powerful techniques he have, like Chidori, Fire jutsus, etc.

And about Madara just plainly knowing how Sasuke's gonna think...When did this happen? For what reason do you think Madara will know how Sasuke is thinking? He himself have admitted to being highly impressed off his analytical mind. And he got himself almost trapped by Sasuke, so yeah, he won't be able to expect what Sasuke thinks.

And oh my, Madara just grabs Sasuke? A Sasuke with a PS? A Rinnegen? A Six Paths enhanced body? And Ameno to easily escape such a situation? Madara will get himself killed in seconds before he gets close to Sasuke, let alone absorb all of his chakra.

And about Madara being taken away by plot... That's the only thing you have to back up your statement? Well for starters, that was TJJ Madara, and it was just a fam made theory. It was how the plot was meant to be. While others couldn't stand the sudden shift in plot, they made up theories. And theories will always be theories. They can not be taken as a fact.

Saying that the writers just didn't through at the ending for all that, is illogical. The plot will always work as how they want to. It's not like Madara is real, that they will have actual problem with it. But the only thing you could say for the plot being tampered, would be that they didn't want the great glory of Uchiha Madara ending with such a defeat(that is, being defeated by getting touched by Sasuke adn Naruto, and being trapped into a new moon, forever), so they made a new character(which isn't the case) and saved him from ending like that.

And secondly, don't use that logic to state Madara being able to easily beat Naruto and Sasuke( and beinh stronger than Kaguya), as I've explained above, it isn't the case. And if you will use that logic, then I guess Itachi can easily defeat Madara, cause that's another fan theory of the same reason.

So in short, Madara loses, like embarrassionly loses. I mean, like by a ameno sword straight to his neck/head or heart, getting slashes by a PS, being trapped into a superior genjutsu, being trapped by Sasuke's CT, getting slashed by Sasuke's chidori spear/sword and many many more.

Madara truely doesn't stand a chance. Sasuke is just a way, way better version of Madara, by all skills, power and intellengence.

So Sasuke takes this, with low difficulty.