Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26388300-20160506202426/@comment-142748-20160508044958

9 Arts dragon wrote: LOL at kakashi defeating a guy who whooped jinchurikis singlehandedly and has bijuu level chakra.

Kamui isn't doing shit to kisame heck I think kisame knew of Obitos weakness and would probably beat him as well...

He didn't kill Kakuzu he was getting rag dolled by him and Bijuus are weak without a host jinchurikis >>>>>>> Bijuus by leaps and bounds Kisame defeats Jinchuriki's because he has a natural advantage against them. Samehada absorbs their chakra and makes their best attacks worthless. He can pull out their Version 1 and 2 cloaks. But here's the thing: Kisame's strength, as he admitted, varies by the strength of his opponent's chakra. That's why he's a perfect counter to a Jinchuriki, he can counter, and steal their strength and add it to his own.

Against ninja like Kakashi (or Guy or Jiraiya), that's worthless. They don't have enough chakra for him to add to his own, they don't fight with chakra cloaks, and they most importantly have a more varied arsenal than they have.

Rachin123: Kakashi was as fast as six gated Guy, we saw this in the Jinchuriki Paths fight and against Obito. And look at their stats: Kakashi was rated as a 4.5 in speed before chapter 400, while Kisame was a 4. He's canonically slower than him.

And your argument that Kakashi can't pull off a Kamui headshot makes no sense since this is War Arc Kakashi. The same Kakashi who could Kamui a head sized Rasengan that KCM Naruto was using to fight Obito while at low chakra, while said target was moving at speeds faster than Kisame can manage. He pulled it off flawlessly. Thus, he can effortlessly head shot Kisame with Kamui.

Also, tell me why Kakashi's plan, which nearly defeated Deva Path, would fail against Kisame? IE using a Lightning Shadow Clone in an attempt to paralyze the enemy and then the Raikiri headshot? As we saw from the fight with Madara, even if you have a chakra absorption technique: Lightning Release numbs you and leaves you vulnerable.

Edit: Kisame being able to defeat Obito? That's a laugh, he has no idea how Kamui works and is subservient to him. And I like to add, unlike battles Hashirama vs Madara, Naruto vs Hashirama, Madara vs Sasuke, etc. This battle would require more strategy and tactics than simple nuking fights or 'my power is greater than yours'. Remember, Asuma had a good chance against Kisame due to the unpredictability of Hien.