Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-45510280-20200416210937/@comment-26636534-20200423161920

LegionZero wrote:

You werent just telling your opinion. You literally told the OP what metrics to use to quantify information Nope, at this point you are just repeating things that are not true.

LegionZero wrote:

The wiki doesnt have the authority to do that either so it is irrelevent how the policy determines canon or whether or not you agree, which is what i have been saying from the beginning. Which is why I said the wiki policy doesn't do that, and tried to explain what it actually does. Yet, you jumped to conclusions that I was using that to enforce my POV. Which is again incorrect on your part.

LegionZero wrote:

You had it maybe the first your first 2 posts but when you repeatedly said that canon works a certain way when i say neither you nor the wiki has authority to do so, what benefit of the doubt is there to be had? Addressed this already above. So, if you decide to not give me the benefit of the doubt on that alone, then you're simply jumping to conclusions, which are obviously false.

LegionZero wrote:

Even when i quoted posts you basically respond with "yea and?" And "Manufactured". You had multiple occasions to clarify your stance but instead you deflected Basically responded with "yea and?" I asked "How so?" after your accusations. Jeez, you are wrong about many things. Multiple times over did I state it was my opinion. So you not accepting that, is a you problem.

LegionZero wrote: You can call the arguments staw-man and manufactured but they are direct quotes of your words. You opened with claims of how canon works and i when i replied "im not sure what you mean by that" i meant im not sure where you got the idea from. I know what tiered canon is They aren't direct quotes, because I didn't say them lol. They are strawman arguments you made. Because you admitted to not giving me the benefit of the doubt to your criticism and I called out your double standard on it.

Ok, so if I'm using your logic now, no clarifications are allowed and your first post can't be an opinion. So, by your first statement: "im not sure what you mean by that". That means according to @Legion, that this whole thread of replying to me, you didn't know what I meant.

Lol. Which is ironic, because while I don't agree, you still can't reconcile my first posts with a clarified meaning.

LegionZero wrote:

And from that point you just replied with how wiki policy agrees with you or you agree with it, as if that negated the fact that neither you nor the wiki have the authority to tell others how to view or interpret canon

No, I specifically stated in one of my earlier replies: I can agree with the canon policy of the wiki, you can disagree. Which means I never claimed I had authority. And again, shows you are wrong about the record.

LegionZero wrote: As i mentioned earlier it wasnt until your 16th or so post that you acknowledged that the workings of canon are not necessarily what you told the OP Again, this quote:I can agree with the canon policy of the wiki, you can disagree. Shows that you are wrong.

LegionZero wrote:

Baby addressed 1 of the 4 points imade. I will concede that you werent using the wiki to back your POV but for the longest you claimed that the canon should be tiered without making clear that is simply your opinion

On the flip side, if one user can understand what i have been saying, so can all Lol, I didn't claim canon should be tiered. I said the wiki policy only tiers canon and doesn't decide what is canon. That is literally a statement about the wiki policy. It's wrong to incorrectly quote the record. Look, you claimed no-one agreed with me, but you were wrong about that too.

If you say you finally agree with me, then let's leave it at that.

LegionZero wrote:

Telling one lie doesnt make all other statements untrue

Itachi was one of the greatest decievers in Naruto but his final monologue to Sasuke is taken as the truth. Later on down the line it could be revealed he was a gigantic sociopath and manipulated the Leaf and Uchiha into a situation where he could commit genocide and hiding behind a facade of love and inner conflict. But it doesn't make Obito's words credible when he lies to Sasuke and possibly Naruto and co. If Obito was in a court of law, the judge would deem him as "a witness with a lack of credibility".

On your Itachi point, not sure what you meant exactly. Credibility is issue here though, you could probably argue that Itachi in his final monologue to Sasuke was more credible, as he already died and found out Sasuke knew the truth.