Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180727165341/@comment-6769189-20180814155552

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Tobirama was the fastest Ninja of his lifetime, which means he is faster than Hashirama and Hiruzen. Even if it wasnt a race he still noted that Minato had significantly better Shunshin than himself. So much faster that Minato arrived on the battlefield set up some stuff for their plan and saved the alliance before the rest of them showed up
 * Tobirama said to Minato fourth your shunshin is better than Mine so now we understand that he used Shunshin at that scene and not just run normally as he did against Obito sooo....All 3 hokages arrived at the same time this can be proof that it wasn't a race!

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

so maybe Minato used the negative emotion sensing thingy and FTG'd away from the pack to arrive faster at the point of danger...and no, they are definitely not faster...or to my knowledge they aren't faster than Ay with just footspeed, Minato proved that, he needed FTG to evade. Tobirama said his Shunshin was better. Negative emotion sensing is active with KCM not in base.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Lastly Both Minato and Obito were charging at each other and not side by side as you would do in a race, so how exactly can you say he has the exact speed as Minato...i know you said keep up with minato but it will lately go down to him having the same speed as Minato. Because seemed to match eachother step for step and Minato couldnt successfuly speedblitz him.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote:
 * Obito that got the rinnegan is simply the same as the Obito that fought Konan as he implanted the rinnegan just ONEE chapter after he defeated Konan....soooo..

The only difference was that he got the Rinnegan, which gave him an EXTREMELY dangerous power and HAX. That's pretty much it lol. Rinnegan comes with a statboost.

Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote:

What the fuck are people talking about exactly? Obito's speed was never equal to KCM Naruto's speed. It's just that he was normally able to keep up with KCM Naruto, who was using standard speed. If Naruto used his FULL / shunshin speed, Obito would never be close to him in terms of speed. But then again, Obito still has the Sharingan. He could EASILY read his movements and defeat him, even with Naruto's speed advantage. Because Shunshin and "regular" speed are shown to be different visually?

Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote:

AND it doesn't EVEN make sense for Obito's speed to be suddenly KCM Naruto level when he got Rinnegan ( Which he isn't ). Its not suddenly He has always been stupidly fast considering he was keeping up with Minato 16 years prior.

Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote:

He was literally the same throughout Shippuden. A speed that is relative to Minato. Who was one of the 2 people that dodged A at full speed. The other being KCM Naruto, who cant escape from nor speedblitz Obito.