Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-34656247-20180531072459/@comment-33286580-20180617092909

It was explicitly stated in chapter 142 by Itachi that only a Sharingan user with the same blood as him can defeat him (some translation say that one with MS can defeat him) and in a sense it is later proven right when Sasuke breaks Tsukuyomi...

But in that very chapter Kakashi states that only those with Sharingan can counter a Sharingan user, which is proven wrong in the next chapter. if taking into a account that Kakashi was talking about MS, we also know that there are people who have fought against MS which include Hashirama - and just so you remember that none fought like Gai.

But the thing to note here is that both Translation say that only one with same blood as me (or MS) can defeat ME. I think i can jump to the simple conclusion that Itachi was talking about him there and not Tsukuyomi. Even in the anime Itachi talks about him being defeated and not Tsukuyomi.

in all translation it is said that Tsukuyomi is unbreakable. something again proven wrong by Sasuke and if you are talking about the blood crap read next para.

Now even if you talk about the blood bs, do tell me how that works? does Sasuke spray blood to break through? you will say because those of the same blood have similar chakra and they resonate. a possible explanation it can be. but let me break it to you something that seems to be forgotten. It wasnt Sasuke who broke through but Curse Mark 2 Sasuke who broke through it.

What am i talking about? Curse Mark doesnt boost Sasuke's chakra in any form. Curse Mark replaces the users Chakra with that of Orochimarut's Senjutsu Chakra, in this case Sasuke's chakra. To put it in perseptive it was Orochimaru's Senjutsu Chakra with help of Sharingan that broke through Tsukuyomi and not Sasuke's CHakra. you may say Sasuke was in control, but the fact remains that it was not Sasuke's Chakra but Orochimaru's. there was no blood tie or resonance you can denpend on.

Also if you still believe the blood bs, then please explain why Itachi decides to implant Amaterasu in Sasuke rather than Tsukoyomi. he knew fake Madara would get to Sasuke and that was his backup for the safety of Sasuke. so implant Tsukuyomi. since there is not blood tie it cannot be broken by fake Madara by the bs blood argument.

Some say that the Tsuluyomi is instant, so it cannot be broken. Yes, to the outside world it is instant, but not for the user of the victim. '''Sasuke caught in the Tsukuyomi had the awareness and sense and used CM power. means you can use your abilities inside the Tsukuyomi world.'''

but Kakashi couldnt do it. really, Kakashi who could barely control the power of the Sharingan, did not have MS and overall was a weaker version of his part 2 self. dont forget part 1 Kakashi was inferior to Itachi in all respect. just remember that even Kurenai was utterly overpowered by Itachi in terms of normal genjutsu, and she is supposed to be a genjutsu specialist.

if you are going to say that Itachi was going easy on Sasuke, the bs needs to stop. he was using Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, sure kill jutsu from back then. he wanted Sasuke to leave and come back and fight him when he had MS, a reference Itachi makes multiple times.

SO taking all it in hindsight, any user can be conscious and if powerful can use their jutsu in the Tsukuyomi world. it can be overpowered using the same means as normal Genjutsu, just that it requires a hell lot of power.

so If Orochimaru's Senjutsu chakra could break through it, what even makes anyone think that Hashirama cannot.

Hashirama defies Edo. His chakra boosts the power of MS to unimagenable heights. and then there is SM.

Hashirama will break Tsukuyomi.