Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34194151-20180906210948

@everyone

I actually believe that Hagoromo has a fair point. We have to be consistent here. If it's true that naruto still has the other bijuu, then why is his cloak so different? If he doesn't have the bijuu, then you can argue that he is using SPSM + KCM. But this argument rests on the claim that SPSM is sort of an upgrade to basic sage mode, but then why would naruto bother using frog sage mode if he has access to SPSM, in the last? You can argue that the lack of pigmentation debunks the idea that he is using frog sage mode, but then again, there is still the unrefuted claim that when kurama gathers the nature energy, the pigmentation doesn't appear. In the last, naruto enters BSM practically instantly. It makes sense he can, because his skill with sage mode should be completely refined by now. IDK how you can prove that kurama was the one gathering energy in that fight. You can make the argument that SPSM overrides the pigmentation that normal sage mode provides, but again, this isn't consistent. RSM's hallmark is the ten tail coffin seal and having ridoku senjutsu. TSOs aren't a good indicator because the user doesn't always use them, madara wasn;t using TSO when he fought naruto and sasuke. Ridoku senjutsu's only confirmed source is having juubi chakra. I highly doubt that you can get it from other means, because by that logic madara should have gotten six paths sage mode the minute he absorbed hashirama's sage mode, since after all, he had had hagromo's chakra and senjutsu coursing through his body. So clearly, ridoku senjutsu can't simply be generated by mainly having six paths chakra and senjutsu chakra. You need the juubi chakra. Hagoromo gave him the mode, and while it doesn't state he needs the juubi chakra to use SPSM, this by itself can't be the case if you are claiming in the same sentence that RSM is the juubi power. Remember, Madara himself claimed that once he absorbed the juubi he was a user of RSM, even though this very wiki claims he isn't a user lol.

You could say that again in the 4SWW that naruto is using SPSM +KCM, but his KCM has a ten coffin seal and access to truth seeking orbs because he has all 9 tailed beast chakra, making him a juubi jinchuriki of sorts, and madara called this marker "six paths senjutsu". But if this is your claim, you would have to prove that six paths senjutsu isn't necessary to be in six paths sage mode, which doesn't make sense. So it's either naruto has the tailed beasts chakra in bortuo still and the cloak is a design error, or naruto doesn't have the other chakra anymore. You guys have to pick one.