Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-26636534-20160220140502

ShishiHeiwa wrote: Actually if you use common sense my good sir, if Jiraiya really wanted to bide time, summoning all three giant toads if he could, would definitely have given Pein more of a distraction so I don't see your point in saying this and how this proves why Jiraiya didn't summon all three that he was capable of summoning. No, he stated he needed to buy time with Gamaken, fact. Amegakure's unique terrain is not really suited for more giant toads. Furthermore, Jiraiya was running and hiding, three giant toads will stand out more than one giant toad don't you think? Also weren't you arguing that Jiraiya didn't need time in order to summon the Geezer Toads? That's quite the change up pal. Nope, never said that. @LoneNinja was stating that it took Jiraiya hours to summon the sage toads, I merely pointed out that no time was given and that stating a specific time is not acceptable. The summoning takes time, how long we can't be sure. "After his initial confrontation with Pein he realizes that he needs to use SM to win, and says he is going to need to go at him with full force." Wrong, his confrontation with the one Pein was his hair wrapping him up and talking to him basically. He stated he was going full force from and I quote (Manga Chapter 375) "the start!" What exactly is "wrong" with my statement? Everything that I said is in order. If Jiraiya could summon all three big boss toads and the Geezure Sage Toads, answer this, why wouldn't he? The simple answer is, in that situation it wasn't part of his battle strategy. The truth is that you have to prove that Jiraiya can't summon the sage toads and more toads, not the other way around. Also where does it state full force only means Sage mode? If so I must have missed it. Oh wait, that was never stated LOL. Nowhere is it stated that Amaterasu is instant either lol. In any case the whole point of Jiraiya going at "full force" is SM. This is referenced by Jiraiya himself, Gamaken(not Gama) and the sage toads after they were summoned. The entire part of Jiraiya biding time is solely for the use of SM. Furthermore, Full-force means to give your best and Jiraiya's best is SM. It's your problem if you don't believe this. Never did I say Amaterasu's charge up was instant, but Amaterasu itself was instant. HaHaHa, you just contradicted yourself. By your logic, any jutsu that has a charge up is instant, which is not true. Amaterasu's charge up is part of Amaterasu. You just dug yourself into a hole when you said Amaterasu is instant, now you are trying to get out of the hole by lying (look who has the real change up now, lol). Amaterasu is not instant, you were wrong. So deal with it. ...Genin Sasuke was able to analyze Haku who stated (in the anime) he was moving at lightspeed and based on the description of the technique, it basically almost is since its reflection speed, and other great speedsters, because the Rinnegan lost focus? Your comparisons are quite weak, irrelevant and mostly incorrect. If Haku was really moving at lightspeed, he would by far be the fastest character in Naruto, this is probably just an exaggeration. Only one jutsu was stated to transport objects at light speed and that is the 4th Raikage's aid's jutsu.

The fact that you say my points are bs, but then can't say which, speaks volumes. You also try to come at me with false accusations, which leads me to believe that you didn't read my posts in the first place. You complain about the logic I use, all the while your logic is messy, contain weak and irrelevant comparisons, and full of holes could be seen as hypocritical on your part. Ignoring facts is unacceptable as well, while contradictions make you seem like you don't know what you are talking about. Nice try though.