Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180822175947/@comment-34194151-20180823214217

4th shinobi war lasted a mere 3 days and naruto fought with backup, never 1v1 fair battles. He didn't decimate madara either, madara was weakened by 8 gates guy and then he fought naruto and sasuke together, and they didn't defeat him, Black zetsu did. Hashirama warred for at least 40 years in the most brutal war ever, his combat experience dwarfs anyone naruto has fought 1v1. Naruto would have a hard time outsmarting him, naruto relies on clone feints, which are hashi's bread and butter as well. naruto has a high quality experience and is very smart himself, but his quality of experience is up against hashi's sheer quantity. Hashirama has the slight edge.

Factor in that Hashirama treats bijuu like they are his pets.

Edo madara is weaker than alive base hashirama, madara with only a sliver and a face of hashirama's cells easily suppressed both 8 and nine tails at the same time. Hachibi only broke out after guy used hirudora which presumably killed madara, so hachibi needd help to break out.

Now factor in the full blown hashirama who already restrained 100 percent kyuubi with ease, and kurama avatar is a non factor.

Madara broke deity gates from base hashirama who had chakra rods in his back, and those rods disrupt chakra. hashirama also said that madara being revived granted him an increase in power, apparently edo tensie are still quite a bit weaker than their alive selves, even though they are still near.

Even if naruto can break out, being restrained by the gates could still leave an opening. If he is forced to leave his avatar, then hashirama changes his tactics accordingly, how does naruto out of his avatar then counter several thousand hands ? being out of his avatar leaves him vulnerable to techniques like the pollen as well. Rasenshurikens and stuff can help disperse it and clones can counter deep forest emergence, but hashi can still spawn random wood out of the ground to disrupt footing and stuff like that. But then again, naruto still has the passive ridoku buffs, so I'm not sure if hashirama actually has comparable stats to him anymore.