Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31672013-20180831233027/@comment-34194151-20180921024118

Kurenai caught both of them. Kisame was clearly caught by the tree branches as well. It appeared that she focused on finishing itachi first, but that was her own mistake due to inexperience, and as a result the genjutsu was completely broken and reversed. If it was just kisame kisame would have died.

What proof is there that jiraiya has faster hand seals than kakashi? Kakashi has the sharingan, he can instantly percieve jiraiya's hand seals and even copy them if he wants to. Jiraiya doesn't have itachi level hand seal speed. Yumi noma gets copied and used on jiraiya, and now all of them are stuck in the swamp, except now jiraiya gets caught in genjutsu, and guy opens the gates to break free of the mud and blitzes him, and kakashi can still cast ninjutsu even if he is immobolized. Kakashi can use lightning style to diffuse the mud around his teammates, and leave jiriaya trapped in his own mud, GG jiraiya. Jiraiya is experienced enough to not use ninjutsu like that against the sharingan. He would use toad summons and jutsu that he can overpower kakashi with, anything else is just copy ninja food. Also, yumi noma has only caught a huge fodder snake summon which didn't have any skills or experience and the human path of pain who was caught off guard and already using chakra to stick to the ceiling. IF jiraiya uses the seals for yumi noma off the bat, the jonin will see it coming and simply run chakra on their feet to stand on top of the swamp before it immobilizes them. While he is focused on trying to make it sink them, the jounin have initiative.

This isn't a 1v1 battle. It's a 1v4 battle. If jiraiya stops to clash rasengan with kakahsi's raikiri, he still has a leaf whirlwind coming at him from the right, and asuma's trench knifes coming at him from the left, and kurenai close behind. He needs to choose his first action wisely or he isn't living long enough to even cast a summoning jutsu in the first place.

Jiraiya 's summons and toad guourd have to resolve in the first place.