Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-34194151-20190110145936

@Ninja of War

There is no consensus because up to now, people apparently refuse to even go back and refresh themselves on the BASICS of ninjutsu and genjutsu.

Just stop it already. The potency of ANY ninjutsu or Genjutsu is proportional to CHAKRA CONTROL AND THE AMOUNT OF MOULDED CHAKRA. It's an equation, and both contribute strongly.

Itachi has one of the lowest reserves in the manga. So when he is at THIRTY PERCENT, the bulk of his jutsu prowess is coming from his chakra control. Naruto may have weaker chakra control, but he has massive amounts of chakra available. Those two things offset each other. If Itachi is allowed more chakra, then his potency increases notably.

You used PART ONE NARUTO for your example, which doesn't make sense. Naruto at the time couldn't even make rasengan. He was put to sleep before he was even aware he was in genjutsu. He missed the window because he was too inexperienced. Fast forward 3 years later, even Itachi noticed he improved all around. He actually detected he was in genjutsu and took the STEPS to actually attempt to break it, unlike in Part one. He made it to Step 2: trying to actually break it, and he came up WAY short.

Genjutsu Kai is a ninjutsu that requires seals, typically the tiger seal. Naruto has more reserves. He can MOULD more chakra for his Kai to compensate for his weaker chakra control. His best efforts came up way short.

I like how you called my statement head canon when it's directly from Jiraiya himself.

Itachi at 100 percent of his strength (which he is in this thread) can make a FAR more potent Ephemeral by simply moulding more chakra for the genjutsu.

Kimimaro isn't breaking out. Neither is Konan. Not even Orochimaru could break out of his 3 tomoe genjutsu. He wasn't even allowed the chance to TRY and break it in the first place because when he tried to weave his seal for Genjutsu Kai, Itachi cut his arm off before he got the chance, and Oro is a SANNIN level. Orochimaru himself was surprised that 3 tomoe genjutsu could pin him down.

People are also ignoring Itachi's clone feinting abilities. The guy was in the middle of a shuriken clash with Sasuke. He created a kage bunshin, substituted with it, hid somewhere(probably underground) and the clone was grappling Sasuke. Sasuke didn't even see this happen at all. We know the bunshin was created during the shuriken clash because Itachi can't weave seals while simultaneously grappling Sasuke. The real Itachi jumped up from behind both of them and threw kunai. Sasuke then threw his shuriken at the wrong Itachi and was clearly surprised to see it was a clone and not the real one, proving he didn't see this substitution at all despite watching Itachi the whole time lmao.

In part one, Itachi did the same thing, Despite 3 S rank ninjas watching him, he created a bunshin, substituted, and got behind Kakashi in the blink of an eye, a feat Kurenai credited as superhuman.

In the Kabuto fight, again same thing, The real Itachi was seen deactivating Susano'o and running towards kabuto. Yet both EMS Sasuke and Kabuto were surprised to see that Itachi essentially substituted with a crow clone without either of them noticing and got behind Kabuto.

Based on all three of these feats, Itachi CLEARLY can spawn clones where he wants and substitute with them and NO ONE he has fought in the canon has noticed it, even sharingan users and Sage mode users. His clone feints are essentially undetectable. He can make his clones appear from behind or in front of himself within a certain range.

His superior hand seal speed and tactics are too much for these guys to handle.

It's 3 opponents, all he has to do is create 3 1v1s. Pretty simple.

Bijuu Dama sized Yakasa beads create the smokescreen like I said. Itachi prepares Totsuka and also does his clone feint trick and makes the clone appear behind all of them. Totsuka takes out Orochimaru, smoke screen clears and crow clone snipes Kimimaro from behind with amaterasu. Then Konan gets put in ephemeral where she is put to sleep, forcing her to release her paper form. Totsuka is not even needed for her.