Talk:Air Sand Protective Wall

Same jutsu??
Can we consider this techinque to be the same one he used in Manga chapter 561, where he cushions the Meteor after Onoki's jutsu? after all it does have the same effect--Kyle Ethan (talk) 18:41, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * What of it then?--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 19:40, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Wait... What? Wind Release?
|link. In here, 14:10, I'm pretty sure Gaara said Fūton. Can anyone help prove it being false?--Omojuze (talk) 17:09, January 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you expect us to watch the whole thing? Also spoilers warning wouldn't be out of question.--Elve Talk Page 09:47, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * 14:10, can you even read? I'm sorry for the spoilers I guess... >.< But yeah, I'm pretty sure Gaara said "fūton", meaning that all sand-themed techniques are Wind Release.--Omojuze (talk) 13:34, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I simply guess the meaning of symbols I see on the screen and instinctively respond. Titans forbid me overlooking a part of a sentence, it happens geez, there's no need to be assholish about it. And I hear it. If true, does that mean Gaara moves his sand with Wind Release? 0_o--Elve Talk Page 14:12, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nobody's being asshole-ish. Just read the sentence if you missed it, instead of jumping into conclusions. And about the sand, It would make sense as Shukaku's main gimmick in Part I was Wind Release.--Omojuze (talk) 14:16, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * If that technique is Wind Release, it would not mean that all sand techniques are Wind Release. What kind of weird conclusion is that? Gaara already has a Wind Release sand technique and we didn't list his other jutsu as Wind Release based on that, did we? • Seelentau 愛 議 15:15, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * I knew you would say that and here's where you're wrong:

1) Unlike the other Wind Release techniques Gaara used, this one wasn't influenced by Shukaku. 2) This technique wasn't given "Wind Release:" in the databooks, meaning that it uses the same factor (controlling aspect) as all the other sand-based techniques that Gaara uses. 3) Since we're sure that Gaara doesn't use Magnet Release, this is the clear explanation as to how Gaara (and Shukaku) control sand, as Shukaku's main factor in battling is relying on Wind Relase. If you want more facts, I'm pretty sure I can provide more. There are more facts for than against (There are almost none facts against this claim).--Omojuze (talk) 15:22, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * The other Wind Release technique wasn't influenced by Shukaku, either. Gaara is given as the sole user, it's his Wind Release.
 * Exactly. But if it is Wind Release, it somehow isn't controled by that factor anymore? Why not?
 * It's a prefix in a movie. That's hardly any explanation. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:31, January 18, 2015 (UTC)

1) No. Every time Gaara used a Wind Release technique, he was partially transformed into Shukaku. He himself has never used one. 2) Yes it is, that factor is Wind Release. 3) A prefix in the movie, which is canon. The whole "fūton" gives us enough proof to list it as that, until a better explanation (or a different one) is given. There is no point arguing about this.--Omojuze (talk) 15:34, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Gaara is given as the sole user, it is his Wind Release. That's the truth, man. Can't argue with the databook.
 * Why? In the other technique, the factor isn't Wind Release, either. If it were, why didn't we list all of Gaara's and Shukaku's techniques as Wind Release?
 * The story is canon. That doesn't mean that every little bit of the movie was supervised and given the okay by Kishimoto.
 * We're not going to list this as Wind Release until a better quality rip of the movie is out. And even then, we'll list it under "Other names", because it's still a movie. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:46, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Why are you making decisions on yourself? True, he was listed as a Wind Release user, but he didn't use a single wind release technique in the anime (aside from the one when he was partially transformed into Shukaku). We don't list other sand-themed techniques as Wind Release because this is the first time we're learning that those techniques are wind techniques, don't you remember the whole argument about the magnet release. The story is canon. We cannot choose what we think is canon and what is not. It was said that its canon, that means its canon, don't make your own assumptions. But yes, I do agree we should wait until the movie comes out in better quality. Again, since this one uses the same factor (sand controlling) as all the other sand-themed techniques that Gaara has used, and it is wind release, there is no point arguing and trying to say that others aren't wind release.--Omojuze (talk) 15:59, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm making decision by myself because I'm a sysop, it's my job to ensure that everything goes by the rules. I know that Gaara didn't use any other Wind Release technique and that's exactly why we didn't list all of his techniques as Wind Release. This second one doesn't change that. Also, I'm not making assumptions. The story is canon, but as I said, Kishimoto didn't write the whole story, he didn't write every second of it. It's just the overall plot that is canon. What you're simply wrong with is making Wind Release the factor that moves the sand, despite nothing saying so. It's just your interpretation of what you saw. In your argument, you could easily switch the new Wind Release technique with the old one from part one. It wouldn't change the logic at all, but it would still be wrong. The fact that there's a Wind Release prefix does not make Wind Release the controlling factor of Gaara's techniques. That's all there is to say. • Seelentau 愛 議 16:07, January 18, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think Kishi was the sole author of Jin no Sho was he? So by that most of the book is non-canon.--Elve Talk Page 16:14, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * ^That. You forgot one thing: The technique used uses the SAME FACTOR as all other techniques Gaara has used. And the factor is SAND CONTROL. But this technique is WIND RELEASE. And since all techniques share the same factor, they share the same nature. (Like genjutsu share the same factor and have the same nature, being Yin Release). And so what if your a sysop, you're not the only one and you can't make important decisions on your own, and do as you please. The movie was referred to Chapter 699.5, we are not to say what was written by Kishimoto and what wasn't.--Omojuze (talk) 16:17, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Another sysop believes that the camrip is good enough as any to keep this discussion going. Carry on.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 16:21, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Expanding further...Seelentau you can't say in the same sentence "The story is canon but we can pick and choose what else is canon." Not our decision. If the story is canon then everything in it is also canon. You (or rather, we as in this whole dang wiki) cannot pick and choose what is canon and what isn't based on what is convenient to us. Carry on...--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 16:28, January 18, 2015 (UTC)