Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20161126153406/@comment-3965545-20161129135422

Pain killed Jiraiya and Kakashi. EMS Sasuke can't win here.. Naruto needed Kurama to go wild twice in order for him to survive period.. he needed Sage Mode to even go toe to toe with Deva Path.. he needed Sage Mode to dodge and needed Frog Katas to land most of his hits. Pain was the leader of Akatsuki and the stronger member for a reason, as Obito didn't even want to mess with him and waited until Nagato was dead to come for the Rinnegan.