Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150512133037/@comment-26005711-20150720194341

BakumatsuWarrior wrote: I think it's safe to assume that MS Madara had Susanoo, just not the Perfect Susanoo. Since they are both Indra's transmigrant, I think it's safe to assume that Madara's Susanoo was similar to Sasuke's. Your claim about the first 4 hokages being able to defeat MS Madara would only hold true if MS Madara was only as powerful as MS Sasuke. But I have grave doubts about that. Kid Madara without the Sharingan was said to have been strong enough to kill adult Senjus in battle. Sasuke didn't display any such feats at the same age, even with the Sharingan. Now this isn't a solid reason to denigrate Sasuke's power as a whole. But from everything we've seen in the manga, it's quite clear that Madara and Hashirama were the strongest transmigrants of Indra and Ashura that we know of, in terms of natural ability (i.e. without the asspull powers granted by Hagoromo). Maybe Sasuke had the potential to surpass Madara, but Naruto is clearly inferior to Hashirama naturally (Hashi cells are god-level cheats; no one gives a shit about Naruto's cells). Anyway, my point is that there's no good reason to suppose that MS Madara=MS Sasuke, since the manga clearly showed Madara to be lightyears ahead of Sasuke in terms of strength, skills and abilities during their late childhood/early teen. So it's reasonalble that MS Madara>>>MS Sasuke. And if that's true, then the hokages will lose to MS Madara (except Hashi, of course). MS Madara can't use Susanoo (in manga I didn't see that, because he didn't has MS abilities-Kamui, Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu,...), and MS Madara is definitely weaker than MS Sasuke and first four Hokages (without Susanoo, he can maybe win against old Hiruzen, but he hasn't chances vs Prime Hiruzen, Minato-without Bijuu and Sage mode, Prime Tobirama and Hashirama-without Sage mode). I didn't see Madara use Susanoo with MS, and I doubt he can do this without EMS (if he has Susanoo with only MS, then Izuna has Susanoo too). Kid Madara can kill adult Senju, that isn't difficult (which Ninjutsu abilites has adults from Senju clan), Sasuke can do that too (without Sharingan, CS and Chidori).