Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-32624156-20170721153715/@comment-30323490-20170730170858

Even with help from Kakashi and Lee and Gaara, Guy still lost against Madara.I hate when people claim that Guy beat Madara or that he is equal with Madara.He still lost, even with a pretty big support. If i were to put Obito instead of Madara in that fight, for me it would be the exact same scenario. Madara didn't do anything that Obito wouldn't do. If Obito and Guy would go 1 vs 1, Guy would have no counter for the TSB. In the battle against Madara, Guy had to rely on the others in order to counter them. In a 1 vs 1 scenario he would have no counter whatsoever. You can say that Guy can go straight for the Night Guy, as stupid as it sounds, but even this might not do the trick. Although Madara had a more complete Jiuubi than Obito, by the time of night guy, Madara already took a bunch of hard hits. So he wasn't at 100%. If Guy would go straight for the Night Guy, it would be against a 100% Obito, and i don't see Obito dying from this. He would be close to death as Madara was, but wouldn't die.