Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-27429908-20160102030534/@comment-26403664-20160228013328

@MIGshinobi You are right the databook is "canon" for extra information that further explains something in the canon parts of the the anime and the manga. However the manga and the anime trump the databooks period. And based on the information that both the anime and manga produce, Hashirama, Madara, Naruto and Sasuke would wreck Itachi. Kabuto literally says there it so shinobi alive that could match Hashirama Senju's power, you can say Itachi was dead but there were shinobi CAPABLE of killing him (as in Itachi), ie A, Obito Uchiha, Kakashi, Gai, and Ohnoki. Itachi was a wonderful character however the databook you are using is out of date and is completely just not suitable to be used for a current source at this point. To discuss easily why a couple of the hands from Hashirama's giant Budha would destroy the Yata mirror is that the statue dwarves a full sized Kurama who was bigger than mountains while Itachi's susanoo is a little bigger than a "big" building. Hashirama's budha literally created the valley of the dead. A tailed beast bomb would destroy Itachi's susanoo. It doesn't matter if it can absorb attacks of that magnitude. It's like saying Madara or Nagato could absorb Sasuke's Indra's Arrow attacks or a tailed beast Rasenshuriken that is just preposterous, you're reading to much into the databook and not thinking that the attacks is either to powerful to destroy and the chakra overload would happen or the attack would destroy the absorber before it can be destroyed. "Sorry the battle isnt going to go that long when itachi has a sword capable of penetrating at massive distances and one shots hashirama" Hashirama and Madara are easily fast enough and capable of avoiding and restraining Itachi's sword of Totsuka. The sword of Totsuka only seals what is pierced otherwise a lot of things would have been sealed in Itachi vs Kabuto. I'm pretty sure Itachi's sword would be able to pierce Madara's perfect susanoo let alone the complete version and Madara can restrain Itachi's susanoo with deep forest devastion and bloom before Itachi can evolve his susanoo into armoured form. You have to look at each character with context with their feats. "Kakashi didnt just lack the stamina, he lacked the firepower to even take down kakazu to begin with. He only took out the first one because of a sneak attack while kakazu didnt know he was there yet and was distracted by shikamaru, and the other heart was taken down by hidan ironically. There are multiple factors that go into a fight, strength speed intelligence experience stamina genjutsu taijutsu ninjutsu etc. Kakashi had less stamina than zabuza yet was able to take him down. Kid naruto had more stamina than kakashi so by your logic he was stronger than kakashi at that point in the series, since even at that age he was capable of making far more shadow clones than kakashi ever was capable of doing due to his uzumaki heritage." You are right stamina is not the only factor, however in this case Itachi was exhausted and literally died in a battle that lasted like an hour and a half tops against Sasuke, what is he going to do against god level oppenents that can last a full day. He's going to tire out if even he survives an hour which he can't. "Itachi isnt standing still to be caught by an underground attack. He is mobile. Gaara caught madara who wasn't paying attention, standing still, and was distracted by other ninja, itachi vs hashirama is a one v1 fight. How is the pollen getting through susanoo? Even ohnoki was able to wake up from that pollen and he was ancient." Yeah but Madara was capable of being mobile in his suasanoo too. He wasn't expecting someone to be smart or powerful enough to bypass his susanoo's defense he was literally toying with the alliance. And if you actually watched the anime or read the manga in the first Hashirama vs Madara fight we see (wood golem vs perfect susanoo). Madara uses his standard full body susanoo to attack then Hashirama restrains him with deep forest devastation. Madara's susanoo is able to fight that technique off then Deep forest bloom kicked in. Madara was paralyzed and couldn't move for a good minute because the pollen bypassed the susanoo. Watch the fight it HAPPENED. Yeah Itachi could resist it but Hashirama's techniques would have much greater effects on Itachi because his susanoo is way less developed than Madara's. There is no way Itachi can win, he should be an honorable mention but no way top three.