Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31337598-20180202202814/@comment-26107879-20180209042419

@Lorenzo "and of ocurse the 5 sec rule will be shortened since he is much stronger." So you're stating Kishimoto is wrong and you are right and you make the rules on how everything works? No. Kishimoto stated in the manga that Shinra takes a minimal of five seconds to recharge. Minimal. Means the lowest possible time. Nothing can be less than minimal. Which means, the lowest possible time it can take Shinra to recharge is 5 seconds. Kishimoto stated that and he is the God of the Narutoverse, not you. This means it does not matter how strong you get, the lowest time it can take Shinra to recharge is 5 seconds until Kishimoto states otherwise.

"so having 5 immortal (cuz minato cant kill them, and not cuz they are actually immortal) are toally useless? they can all one shot him as well, same for pain's one shotters" Sure is. You can be as strong as you want. You can have the power to shatter a planet if you want. But if you can't hit the target, then what good is it? Explain to me which summoning and technique has the speed necessary to hit one of the fastest Shinobi in existence?

"f minato throws kunai's around him, he will just shinra tensei all of them" Why would he do that? He doesn't know Minato. He's never seen him before or know what he looks like. He's never seen Flying Raijin before. The DP also hasn't given them knowledge of each other. So your point is mute. Even if he does Shinra them, they still exist? They aren't destroyed. They just moved LOL.

"minato punch pain and destroy his body?? lol hahaha so now minato can hit harder than a resengan and killer bee's lariat?" Ummm. Have you not seen what Sage Mode does? Did you not see a tiny weak toad lift a giant statue or Gamabunta himself with ease? Cause I did. And if you have the strength to pick up a frog that makes the ground shake every time it moves, then you have enough strength to decimate a small humanoid like Pein's puppet who get's destroyed by a simple Rasengan.

"frog kata as an example lol?" Uh what? I have no idea what you are talking about. I never mentioned a frog named Kata?

"minato's sm is much weaker than naruto's." Wrong. Scroll up and read the description. This isn't regular Minato Sage Mode, this is "Fully Mastered Sage Mode Minato with Hiraishin vs Tendo". Minato in fully mastered Sage Mode. Meaning his Sage Mode is not incomplete anymore and has fully mastered it according to the DP. Therefore you saying it is weaker than Naruto's is no longer valid.

"a sage mode Naruto feat=/= a sage mode minato feat." Wrong again. Naruto's based speed is a lot slower than Minatos. Minato can move as fast as Raikage with his Lightning Armor. Naruto cannot do that without Kurama's cloak. Sage Mode increases Minato's already insane speed to further speeds. No way can Pein hope to keep up.

Now then. Since you seem to think Pein can win, all I ask for you to do to prove it, is name one way Pein or anything he can use, hit Minato. Just one way. I've already provided a way for Minato to hit Pein. Minato obviously has the speed to do it. In Mastered Sage Mode, he is probably the fastest Shinobi outside those with Sixth Paths Chakra.