Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-33286580-20181111213851

Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: @Nashikeine

I actually agree with most of your agreement about Orochimaru winning. But seriously, I have no idea how you don't think that Itachi is Kage level. If I were to rank him, I would actually put him at around Mid-Kage level. Anyone with Amaterasu, Susano'o ( With Totsuka Blade & Yata Mirror ), Tsukuyomi automatically goes up to Kage level ( Or anyone with MS would be Kage level ). Name any one elite Jonin level shinobi having power equal to the jutsu mentioned above. The minimum I would put Itachi at would be still around Low-Kage level ( Hell, even this would be underestimating his power ).

Good. someone is seeing the points by facts and logic.

Also on Itachi being Kage level. yes initially i too saw Itachi somewhere around low to mid Kage level shinobi. Yes MS alone would put a shinobi around S-rank bracket, but add in Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susanoo and Itachi too me looked like a Kage level too.

the problem for me though started with Sasuke. Now Taka Sasuke didnt possess Tsukuyomi so we cannot have any real comparision there. but he had Amaterasu. and this is where things became more real for me. Sasuke against the Gokage and Danzo was using Amaterasu and Susanoo much better than Itachi did. where Itachi needed to gather Chakra for the former, Sasuke could burn anything without any real prep time. Yet he got his handed by A. now Sasuke is in no league at least so far in terms of skills with Itachi, but his use of Amaterasu and later Susanoo clearly surpassed Itachi.

that is where i first had my doubts.

and then the Madara vs Gokage fight happened. and even though the Gokage got their asses handed their feats were far beyond anything Itachi had ever shown. Like Mei alone doused Madara's Flames which had previously taken over tens of shinobi and as she douses the flames with a water wall she quickly trasnforms the water wall in dragon and blasts Madara. and that were one of the few feats of the Kage.

i am still willing to see Itachi in the low Kage bracket, but the problem are his feats. he does not have any to put him up there.

FlatZone wrote: Itachi was Anbu Commander at age 13, he then casually shit on Asuma, Kurenai and Kakashi at age 18 and he wasn't even really trying. He then orchestrated the outcome of the fight against Sage Mode Kabuto to reach three goals: keeping Sasuke safe, ending Edo Tensei, and saving Kabuto. He did all three. Itachi is EASILY Kage level. The Itachi hate on the Naruto wikia has always been rampant, and the Minato, Sasuke, and Madara wank has always been rampant. I have come to EXPECT this from these people. @Arturia you should too, saves you the headache.

Itachi was never an ANBU Commander. dont make up things.

Itachi was an ANBU Captain. as in one who leads a squad.

do you know who all qualify to lead squads. everyone Chunin rank and above.

also Itachi was only a CHunin when he entered ANBU. he never was promoted to a Jonin. at best his promotion to the rank of an ANBU Captain means he was at best a Tokubetsu Jonin.

Itachi may have been an ANBU Captain at 13, which really means he was leading a squad and there was nothing about him being promoted up in the ranks as even CHunin can lead teams and that is what he was.

and you know who was a Jonin at the age of 12. Hatake Kakashi.

I wonder if you even truly saw the Kabuto vs the brothers. i mean Kabuto was the one shitting on them. if Itachi werent an Edo he would have died multiple times. and if Sasuke hadnt been protecting Itachi's ass he would have added a new seal placed on Itachi and made him his bitch again.

Izanami was the only reason they won and it was such an asspull that it wasnt even a joke. i mean it was the perfect counter to Kabuto and that too because Kishimoto suddenly decided to make a back story for Kabuto for it to work. SO far before this fight Kabuto was completely content with himself. he was someone who always was a spy and when the opportunity presented himself he took he. he was with Orochimaru because he believed in the snake and after his death wanted to continue where Orochimaru left and also surpass him. he did that. it is clear that Kishimoto did not the brothers to lose and so invented a backstory for Kabuto with a incredibly annoying jutsu that would only work on people that had lost their way and unsure of themselves.

hell, why didnt Itachi use on Obito is a big question. everything would have been solved before it even begin and all it would cost Itachi is an eye.

also Itachi didnt casually shit on Kakashi, Kurenai and Asuma. the latter two were completely fine and Itachi had to use his strongest Jutsu, Tsukuyomi, and even then Kakashi still was on his feat, albiet completely tired, but enough to have conversation with Itachi.

No one is making any stuff. we so called 'Itachi haters' stick to facts. like we dont make him an ANBU COmmander when all he was but an ANBU Captain.