Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36512555-20180814043009/@comment-26636534-20180820213128

CombatIQmatters wrote: You made the claim that madara isn't faster, so I asked for proof. No, you asked for proof that Madara went all out. I don't have to give that.

I'm claiming Madara is not as fast as Ay, since he countered Ay's attacks with Susanoo. He didn't dodge, he didn't out-speed or out-run Ay. I saw no evidence of specific speed feats which put that version of Madara above Ay in terms of speed. CombatIQmatters wrote:

Both times madara reacted to Ay madara was in mid-air or flat on his back due to other attacks, so madara couldn't use his footspeed. Not true, Madara reacted to Ay's Onoki enhanced punch.

CombatIQmatters wrote: Madara also holding back, so your claim had no proof behind it. Holding back speed? Where is your proof for that?

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Conclusion: we don't know who is faster between Ayy and Madara. And my post showed that I know the difference between a reaction and speed.

But you are using reaction for speed, so it's confusing to me. Please show me speed feats then.

On to Obito, Obito actually has a speed feat for being in combat with Naruto in TBM. That Naruto being a clone does present doubt.