User talk:Jacce

Block, Protect, Move or Delete
If you want a user blocked or something protected, moved or deleted, please leave a message here.


 * Looks great. But how will you be notified of that? —  http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 14:31, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's in his talk page, he'll receive the notification. - White Flash - (Talk) - 14:32, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * But its a subpage. —  http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 14:35, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Again it's in his talk page. Subpage or not he'll still receive the notification. - White Flash - (Talk) - 14:36, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * If thats true, then its great. —  http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 15:06, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

This'll be better than filling up your talkpage xD --Speysider Talk Page 16:25, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * That might be because we were talking on your talkpage. See next time. —  http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 18:09, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks great Jacce! I was actually thinking of suggesting that to you! :) ~IndxcvNovelist (talk 20:05, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! :)) ~IndxcvNovelist (talk 12:32, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Do you know the episode when Anko throws dumpling sticks as senbon at Naruto? --Narutard7 (talk) 15:40, June 30, 2012 (UTC)Narutard7

Suggestion
Instead of leaving three messages like this you can just leave one headline and notify them of their images being deleted. - White Flash - (Talk) - 05:18, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thats the image warn template. —  http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 05:30, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and it floods the talk page. Wouldn't it be more easier to just say "the images you've uploaded have been deleted we suggest you look at our image policy."? - White Flash - (Talk) - 14:36, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Your request page will also fill up quickly. You should delete the requests when done. http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png (T@lk) 12:42, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

...
Sorry about removing the message earlier. I was just testing the auto-sign javascript. —  http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 13:25, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

Lockdown
Can you please put the wiki on lockdown to stop these vandals? --Speysider Talk Page 00:21, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

I also think another user be promoted to admin. The reactions to the other admins are taking too long. Oh, yeah! I have a question: I know that admins have the power to lockdown the wiki from major vandals, but how's it done? I'm an admin on the KH Wiki, so I liked to know.-- Ninja Sheik  00:23, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * The lockdown is okay, but the making another user an admin thing, yeah, really don't want to see that happened. - White Flash - (Talk) - 00:37, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm... You're probably right, but I still think it couldn't hurt to have a user that's responds fast to be one. This is the second day since those jerks came onto our wiki and vandalized our pages.-- Ninja Sheik  00:49, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Promotions can be done only by User:Dantman  http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 01:06, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know that.-- Ninja Sheik  01:07, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Lots of work for you today.  http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 03:03, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure.  http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 03:18, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

umm if i may ask, what exactly is a lockdown.71.71.58.181 (talk) 03:25, July 3, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan

It's basically a function given to admin to locked all articles on the wiki so that no one can edit. It's been done before, but never knew how. Only admins can do, and I'm an admin myself on the KH Wiki. Jacce-senpai, can you tell me to lockdown a wiki? I could ask the others at the KH Wiki, but since I'm here right now, well, please tell me, senpai? :)-- Ninja Sheik  03:28, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

but wait if all the pages are locked how can we add the info for the next chapter(s), would we wait t'ill after the lockdown is over (which could however long)?71.71.58.181 (talk) 03:33, July 3, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan

ok i just read jacce's message on my talk page, i understand now, thanks ninja shiek and jacce.71.71.58.181 (talk) 03:35, July 3, 2012 (UTC) yomikochan
 * Such a feature exists, however it's restricted to staff and VSTF use, and is only used in cases of extreme vandalism. But there are exceptions though.  http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 03:38, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see... Thanks, Jacce-senpai. :)-- Ninja Sheik  03:44, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Abusefilter
That was not page blanking, it was replacing content with gibberish. There is no filter for that. — S im A nt 03:51, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * What about this?  http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 03:57, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ninja9012 was autoconfirmed so the filter did not apply to them. — S im A nt 03:58, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * He currently has 10 edits. That means he must not have been auto-confirmed when he was vandalising. How?  http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 16:37, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Feature on Narutopedia
did you notice that the recent chapter didn't appeared? Kunoichi101 (talk) 18:28, July 7, 2012 (UTC)Kunoichi101
 * Its fixed now.  http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 18:50, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Protection
How do you protect articles? Droidkaju (talk) 4:45, July 7, 2012 (UTC)Droidkaju

i think only admins are able to, so you'll have to message admin such as jacce to do so. what article are you trying to protect?71.71.58.224 (talk) 23:50, July 7, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan

Madara Uchiha
Hey, I was wondering if you could make the Madara article protected because we don't need any wiki contributors to mess up his biography and also I noticed that the articles that are protected are important, and I think that Madara is important, so would you mind protecting it.--Droidkaju (talk) 6:01, July 9, 2012 (UTC)Droidkaju


 * ^ That isn't a reason to protect a page... --Speysider Talk Page 17:04, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Userpage
why was my page deleted --AkaviriTigerDragon12 02:03, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Article
For the protection, I think it was meant for the Water Release: Exploding Water Colliding Wave. Not the Water Colliding Wave page. - White Flash - (Talk) - 17:03, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

what you thing about its??
Eddy wijaya (talk) 11:30, July 14, 2012 (UTC)Eddy wijaya haha

Mangekyo Sharingan
there are two pages regarding mangekyo sharingan, one of them is the original and the other is for Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan i try to edit the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan page but it is somehow linked to the mangekyo sharingan page, so can u delete the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan page so that i can make a new one?

Re:Suzumebachi
Not sure. But then why is the redirect page there? -- http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 13:43, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then i guess the redirect should be deleted. -- http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 15:11, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also Suzumebach Kamizuru. Spelling error. -- http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 15:13, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Right. -- http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 15:47, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * If I am not wrong, the spelling error was caused due to wrong move by User:Salil dabholkar (O do I know him? :D). But that doesn't matter. -- http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 04:56, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Text To Friend !
Thank You For Telling And I Am New Here But Not New To Naruto .. ! :) They Are My Love ! I am Great Fan Of them .. ! =) '''--~(-_-)~ (talk) 18:55, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Signature problem
Hi Jacce i have some problems with my signature, when I sign it doesn't work well Khaliszt (talk)

Re: Fanon warning template
Just passing by, yes it would be possible to create a warning template. - White Flash - (Talk) - 07:13, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Sure. -- http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 07:22, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

I already got the codes, would it be alright if I can create the template for it? - White Flash - (Talk) - 07:30, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. You may alter the text as you want. -- http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 07:43, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought we needed this a lot, so I created it. -- http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 09:25, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Template usage
Do you know the difference between and ? -- http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 10:52, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Protection of Kakuzu image
lol at how you don't even use my name anymore, at least I can see that you hate me in everything I do to this wiki because I improve and you destroy my improvements because your old school who can't accept change. Also, it was your fault for bashing me on a talkpage. Jacce, I'd suggest this argument be removed or moved to a more appropriate location. --Speysider Talk Page 16:29, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * File:Kakuzu_masks2.png Revert warring for no reason at all. --Speysider Talk Page 15:34, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's not true Jacce. This is common place for this user to run here and ask for images to be locked so that it stays the way she wants. Since it's general that the article is reverted to the way it was before the conflict arose and use the talk page. I'd ask that you do that so neither party gets what they want otherwise it isn't very fair that one essentially cheats the process.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 15:55, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * And you, once again, continue to flame and bash me. Grow the **** up and stop acting like you have the most authority on this entire wiki because you don't and you damn well know it. You do not like me and your edits today prove it. I have had enough of you. I have REQUESTED PROTECTION! THAT DOES NOT MEAN JACCE WILL ACTUALLY PROTECT IT! And the protection requests are VALID BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHEN TO GIVE UP AND STOP REVERTING EDITS! --Speysider Talk Page 16:17, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * User, this isn't the place to do this. Requests are supposed to be made here not an argument. Jacce unprotected the page which I take as a sign of good faith, put it to use.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 16:22, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Videogame sections
Hi Jacce! I recently created the account (eventhough i've been reading the Narutopedia for years), I've already become an active member, so I want to start making some articles and stuff already..! I actually love videogames, including Naruto videogames, so I would like to know how can a edit videogame sections.. for example, soon the next Ultimate Ninja Storm is going to be released, and I want to help with it! thanks! Khaliszt (talk)

Edit summary
I have one question. Should we do edits due to one reason only at one time? For example, I am removing two lines from an article, as one is vandalism and the other is false information, can I do both edits at the same time and put the reason for both in the summary or should I do them separately.Undominanthybrid (talk) 16:55, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Edit on image
That was an accident. I once found a better pic for the ten tails' eye and tried to put it on. Sorry for any inconvenience.

Ok.Shinobiguy (talk) 18:16, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

Missing edits
Hey,can I ask you something?I have been trying to edit some of the articals here but later when I check them again,they were all gone,why was that?I didn't have this problem in other wiki. User : Jdahfuiahfin 16:36,July 25,2012

Hey,Thanks for the info you gave me.Jdahfuiahfin27 July 2012

Re: Category Deletion
How is my category a nonsense page ? It's legitimate because it comes from my custom userbox and I'm hoping for other users to use the custom userbox I have made. =.= --Speysider Talk Page 10:07, July 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Once I've fixed all the kinks in the userbox, I'll be creating a proper template with the Template namespace and it's coded to give the user a category determined by what they specify. --Speysider Talk Page 10:42, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Beginner mistakes!
Hi Thanks for the welcome here. As you can probably guess I'm new to using the wiki text and didn't know about the image policies. Sorry for any infractions I'm still learning to play around with this and wasn't aware I was breaking any rules till it happened! Could you point out any other policies I should be aware of?

Thanks again!

Ageci (talk) 05:20, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Rank discussion
So, you are saying, that rank defines the difficulty of using the technique, and not the power and chakra of the technique? I think you are saying that it is possible that a very talented and aspiring genin, with average genin chakra can perform Lightning Cutter, no matter the chakra cost, and has mastered its difficulty? --Aeonophic (talk) 11:51, August 2, 2012 (UTC)Aeonophic


 * Hey, about your response to my questions on chakra mass and equiv...
 * I am gonna slim this down for ya.
 * Can a water dragon jutsu be equivalent to a lightning dragon's chakra? or a fireball equal to a lightningball. I am not asking about different people being able to use different amounts of something. I am asking if a technique can be equalized (in mass) and chakra to the SAME technique, except in a different NATURE, such as WATER to LIGHTNING?? --Aeonophic (talk) 12:36, August 2, 2012 (UTC)Aeonophic

Signature button
Where exactly is the signature button located? I cant see it. -- http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (Talk to me) 06:04, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I cant see it. Only thing that I see is macrons and ref. Do you see it in both source and visual mode? Let it be just tell me if it looks like this or this? -- http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (Talk to me) 06:20, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanx -- http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (Talk to me) 03:52, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Question
You're from Swedish? Nice. In that case, the question is: Talar du svenska? 12:27, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Images
Hey, thanks to what I can I do the photos I load them but sorry I can not paste into

Re: Page Locked
No, I can't edit those particular pages at all, and I have enough edits to be considered an autoconfirmed user, no? --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 21:00, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Kid-bijuus.png
Could you change portion of copyrighted work used of this photo? It says "Single screenshot from the anime" and should be replaced by "Single frameshot from the manga". HorizonStriker (talk) 18:29, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Welcome
oh hey you are very welcome i hope can put the picture on Hokage-Style Sixty-Year-Old Technique

Deletions
Wait. Just delete the redirects. -- http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (Talk to me) 10:43, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. Btw we have been upgraded to 1.19.1 You know what that means; The editor will be slower than before and there will be tons of bugs added to the existing ones. --  http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (Talk to me) 10:54, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * As always... Btw you forgot to delete those redirects. -- http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (Talk to me) 11:13, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Reply to your message
Yeah i already know that but people are unable to find that. So what if that category is created? nothing happens to the wiki.--Dawoodahmad10 (talk) 08:28, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Images
ok so if i have it like that image then i publish it it wont get removed?

"New Approaching Technique"
Yeah I eventually found it. I tagged the article for deletion based on the archive entry and the page already redirecting. I believe it to be the same as the Mind Disturbance Technique with w/e that puff of smoke was '~' --Cerez 365 ™(talk) 13:54, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Aye, I just accept it as the fodder they usually do and get on with it ^^.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 16:39, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

hey thank a lot jacce for the information --Manoloisgreat (talk) 04:13, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox editing
Hello Jacce and how are you? I have a problem that I can't edit any infobox and every time I do that, I read a massage "You do not have permission to edit pages in the Infobox namespace." So how can I fix these problem? And I usually add useful info for them. Thanks Shakhmoot   (Talk) 21:52, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * I got it but how to fix this problem? Is it important to contact the wikia admins for that and how? I don't know how I got a bug. Anyway thanks for your support and I appreciate it. ^_^ Shakhmoot  Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 19:23, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I sent a bug report to them and I did what you said to me before. Thanks so much Jacce. ^_^ Shakhmoot  Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 10:25, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hello Jacce again and I made my contacts with the central and they said to me that my problem won't be solved until the engineers will attempt to find a way for the solution and I can tell you that they said the recent modifications on Narutopedia are one of the main causes that made my problem happened. Anyway thanks for the support. Shakhmoot  (Talk) 15:13, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

A question
Why did delete my edit in C's article just wanna khow thats all, am not angry or something.--Charmanking2198 (talk) 04:28, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Infobox issue?
Well when I tried to edit the jutsu that wasn't showing up on fukas page it said the datacenter was down, and since that doesn't happen for other pages, I can only assume that different parts of our wiki are hosted on different servers... which is probably bad. — S im A nt 11:40, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Problem
Whoa, I'm not in trouble am I?--Black Ronin8 (talk) 08:08, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, thanks--Black Ronin8 (talk) 04:00, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

Bot
Redirects (double and broken both) fixed (See here). Some categories will be fixed today and remaining...when I am free. -- 12:07, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

I think I can still message though.
I think I can still message people though.--Aeonophic (talk) 23:46, August 26, 2012 (UTC) Aeonophic

A very unnecessary page
This message has been sent to every other available admin. This page is very unnecessary from my perspective. So, I request that it'd be deleted. --X29 04:24, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

Restore
Please restore those images. They have a purpose. They have been uploaded by staff. 04:31, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Vandalism
Hey Jacce! Sorry about the 'vandalism'. I just made a little typo and added a little information mixed up. Sorry about that.

Naruto Uzumaki page
There's something wrong with the Naruto Uzumaki page. 10:56, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Javascript help
Sure. Which all things do you want? 05:27, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * No... These things would be available only to You, not others. 05:52, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Considering what you do here, I think the following will be perfect for you:


 * Batch Delete.(you saw that on anime.answers)
 * Fast delete buttons (don't delete your talkpage this time :P)
 * Ajax Undo (optional)
 * Reveal Anon IP (optional) 06:21, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok. So its ready. Keeping in mind my last experience of js with you, I have configured everything. Just tell me which other buttons along with spam and vandal, do you want? And just do the following:
 * In your wikia.js, put:
 * mw.loader.load('http://dev.wikia.com/wiki/User:UltimateSupreme/Jacce.js?action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&maxage=86400&smaxage=86400&templates=expand');
 * -- 09:20, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want anything else feel free to tell me. Btw if you want to see the actual code, its here. -- 11:31, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. In your wikia.js Just change both 86400 to 3600 and in your wikia.css put:

07:18, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. Btw this page takes a lot of time to load for me. Is it the same for you? 17:45, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

I guess thats normal for a fairly big wiki like this one. 00:53, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Finally both 3600 to 120. 12:23, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you want Ajax Undo? 12:45, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * You made an error. Instead of 120 you wrote 1200. 12:49, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops. Forgot. I added it now. Check it out and tell me if it works. 10:26, September 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * I was talking about Ajax Undo. Is it working? 16:35, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Jutsu been getting taken down
Hey recently this wesbite's been getting screwed up recently, for a lot of characters, there jutsu and nature types have been taking down, what the hell happened? Can you please fix this?

Community message
Since now its clear that most people dont have Main Page as their landing page, and so they don't have a chance of reading the Notice, can you write the same thing in community messages, so they are notified of it. 13:39, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok. Just go to this page. On the right hand side, you will see a title Community Messages. Under that click edit message. 13:51, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Take the easy way, (click me). 14:10, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks great (y) -- 06:48, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

Restored
Any reasons why this was restored? - White Flash - (Talk) - Sep 5, 2012 @ 16:26 (UTC)

UK English
Can you change "recognized" to "recognised" in the "no such special page" message (Example). Thanx. 10:19, September 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops! Forgot to give you the link. You can change it by going to MediaWiki:Nospecialpagetext. 10:33, September 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks great (y) 10:51, September 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Its there for years but no one noticied.... The toolbar at the buttom says customize. Please change it. 08:21, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * How if I can tell you how?

MediaWiki:oasis-toolbar-edit-title MediaWiki:oasis-toolbar-customize. What do you say? 13:53, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * No. Don't move. 14:12, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

The concerned images please. -- 14:22, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Image
Jacce let me get this straight in order to put an image on the wiki I have to write about it --98.243.12.239 (talk) 23:56, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Userpage edit
See what the abuse filter did. Just wanted a minor change: Remove: (Disabling the bot) Change: shutoff to Shut-off on my bot's profile. Thanx. 14:39, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Danzo edit
You reverted an edit without even discussing why. Captain Jean Danjou is indeed very similar, more than Kota Danzo in fact. I was going to register, but now Im not going to waste my time. If you dislike anonymous edits, then lock the page.161.139.220.154 (talk) 17:02, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome
No problem. I hope I can help more for the development. Thanks also.

Dragon Image
So why did you delete the image I uploaded of a dragon in flight? It's fo rmy time sig... Banan 14kab  08:27, September 15, 2012 (UTC)