Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26107879-20181004003653/@comment-6769189-20181130101331

Ninja Of War wrote:

Proof that Minato was using his top speed there? @Combat actually made a good argument about characters not always using their top speed. It made me think of this instance in a different light. One could argue that Minato didn't use his top speed to gauge "Madara's" abilities at that point. Minato is guaging a man who had already shown to be fast enough to keep up with him, had released the 9 tails on his village, kidnapped hos wife, bypassed super high level barriers, displayed intangibility and who he had recognized as having superior time-space jutsu? Minato had gone so far as to believe he was Madara on feats alone and only ruled it u likely because Madara was supposed to be dead. At minimum he believed "Madara" to be a Kage level fighter so i find it highly unlikely that he was testing him at all.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

1) Or it's a cinematic issue. The author doesn't always show the handsigns on panel, even for techniques that always require them. Its not. A majority of the time it will show at least 1 hand sign. Chidori has been activated multiple times with no need for hand signs by Sasuke and Kakashi.

2) It's hard to see with minato because the author switches the camera a lot, so a better example is kcm naruto. Then how can you make this claim at all?

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Chapter 565 pg 11, why is he complaining about being unable to hit his opponents, despite running directly toward roshi? We even see him running toward roshi and meeting him for close combat? With naruto's top speed shunshin that he used to blitz kisame, that shouldn't be an issue. Roshi woud have been rofl blitzed there if naruto was always using his top speed. They were outnumbered, fighting against opponents of a similar level with connected vision and Sharingan, a variety of different abilities, and who could use the forrst as cover for sneak and surprise attacks. Naruto caught Roshi just after the moment you specified and was about to merc him until another jinchuriki blindsided him. Then on the same page this occured, Bee and Gyuki discuss how the forest is getting in the way of them seeing the enemy.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

3) It's literally impossible for obito be as fast as minato in running speed. Says you but he did it. Its in the manga. Its why Minato had to use FTG to finish him instead of a good old fashion speedblitz from a blind spot.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Again, whenever we actually see obito commenting on minato's actual speed, he is always impressed. Minato uses top speed to save kushina, uses top speed to save naruto, but using your top speed mid battle constantly is a different thing. So a character has to comment every single time that another character is doing something?

Minato states that the winner of the fight would be the one who is a split second faster. By his own words, the difference in their speeds were fractions of a second. The split second Minato needed was afforded to him by FTG not his raw speed.

Kishimoto emphasized this even more by writing on the panel that it was a high speed battle.

Ch 503 p8 Obito states that he is surprised Minato was able to hit him.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

There is no evidence that obito himself was running at his top speed there either, unless we are gonna say they are exactly the same speed just because they covered the same distance lol Not sure how you think this warrents a "lol" as you said both characters are on a clock and then you defeated your own claims that its possible that neither of them are using their top speeds.

"Both characters need to finish their task ASAP. But neither of them are using their top speed but maybe they both were at their top speed and the only instant the manga gave us a direct comparison of their speed they covered the same distance over the same amount of time but im going to laugh because you think that means they are the same speed."

Like, really bro?

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Going by that same logic, base Might Guy is as fast as obito and minato because guy was able to chase down obito and engage him in CQC. This never happened. Guy never chased down Obito. Obito was constantly toying with Guy when they were in a confrontation and Naruto/Kakashi/Bee/Gyuki butted in whenever Obito was going to try something.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

4) Further proof? Chapter 641 pg 10-11 I'm not buying for a second that kcm naruto and sasuke are the same speed and they are both running at their fastest just because they are running together in a serious fight against a god tier. Sasuke isn't even anywhere near as fast V2 ayy. If the characters are always concerned about running at their fastest, then there is literally no reason why naruto wouldn't just use his top body flicker and try to hit obito with his rasengan. that shows the characters are willing to run at a mid-ground speed because there are more variables/risks involved, aka physics. Tunnel vision+ the opponent reacting to their attack/ and being off balanced. Since they are suppose to be working together so why would Naruto leave Sasuke in his dust?

CombatIQmatters wrote:

You didn't see how naruto came to a stop there, he still has movement lines on him. Killer bee/tsunade said he had "yellow flash" speed and then the manga panel just shows naruto still slowing down his speed. The movement lines are super tiny, showing no distance covered in that moment. If his stop took place over a longer distance then the motion lines would be longer.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

As for raikiri, as I said the reason Minato banned the technique is because the way kakashi was using it, he was clearly running at his top speed and it caused tunnel vision for him It doesnt make sense to bam a technique because one way to use it is dangerous.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

and the reason kakashi was doing it was because it's a piercing This is both unconfirmed, debunked by the manga, and nonsensical. Peircing attach do not require the user move at high speeds.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

move plus it requires handsigns As do most techniques in the Narutoverse

Kakashi has speed and power with the piercing and running at his top speed but it isn't worth getting tagged by an unseen counterattack. In close range kakashi might as well use a kunai or rasengan, but he doesn't do so because of personality in my opinion. Chidori does significantly more damage than a kunai. The only reason Kakashi uses Chidori after Minato banning it is because the Sharingan canceled the tunnel vision. After losing the Sharingan he abandoned Chidori.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Now that he has lost his sharingan, there is 0 reason why he can't form it in his hand and use it in CQC just like he did to Deva pain. Because the speed of Chidori would be transferred into the swing, resulting in distorted vision.

Sasuke in Boruto again states that Chidori only works in conjunction with the Sharingan dispite having used it without running which is what so many on the wiki attribute the tunnel vision to.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

If it's true that raikiri boosts his running speed, then using it when your opponent is right in your face doesn't really offer any advantage, especially since kakashi boxed pain in by placing the earth wall right behind him, there was no space for pain to run to. Besides the fact that Chidori busts through water tanks and boulders?

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Also, The fact that ayy used V1 against obito against obito at the kage summit doesn't help obito's case. If ayy was using v2 there obito would have lost his head because he seem surprised by Ayy's v1 speed. He seemed surprised but he noticed A moving at him from quite a distance away and reacted appropriately and then proceeded to give 0 craps about A or his abilities. Casually hopping about and telling his stories. It wasnt even stated that he surprised by his speed at all. Could have been suprised that A went for an attack at all.

Being surprised=/=being slower

CombatIQmatters wrote:

@Flatzone, It's situational. In some situations the characters take the risk but there is always circumstances. It's high risk high reward to use your top speed, and by the end of the manga many of the characters have advanced dojutsu or sensory abilities that would reduce the effect of tunnel vision. * gates guy can get away with using his top speed with night guy because that attack is something 99 percent of the cast can't react to once he starts running. Characters use their top speed mostly to evade extremely fast attacks, or to run to someone's rescue, or to retreat. Not even ayy is running at his top speed 24/7, unless you think v1 ayy is exactly as fast kage summit sasuke just because they both ran at each other, I highly doubt that, as that same v1 ayy when using his top speed could blitz a kisame clone's head off before it can finish a single hand seal. Kisame was faking his death to spy on them...

A didnt start outspeeding Sasuke until he went V2 so yea, Sasuke was competantly competing with V1 A. If V2 wasnt necessary then A would just move faster while in V1

It should also be noted that Purple Lightning and powerful breath are lightning Style techniques that have been used and executed in the same fashion as Chidori but are safe to use.