Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31099706-20170409163202/@comment-4961229-20170506210859

BlazeRelease wrote: @CyberianGinseng.

And your point is? Sasuke had to have speed to do that you know? the sharingan will allow you to react to any move depending on your physical abilities. Raikage said that it's even a amazing fact that he pierced it let alone even touch it. We're talking about a guy who can escape Amaterasu at point black with full speed.

Raikage was using his full speed. My point is Raikage didn't praise his speed. That refutes your implication that Raikage's (non-existent) speed praise means it's on the same level as Raikage's speed. No he wasn't using his full speed. He doesn't do that until Sasuke goes Mangekyou. Shi specifically states Raikage's activated chakra is going to be used to counter Mangekyou with the Shuunshin. Karin then specifically states that Raikage's chakra is still growing and is now at tailed beast levels. If the chakra is used for the Shuunshin and the chakra grows to unprecedented levels, it's common sense that the Shuunshin is much faster than before. Go back and read chapter 463. The moment Raikage goes full speed Sasuke can only use Mangekyou to counter him.

BlazeRelease wrote: I'm fairly surprised that you didn't get why Karin was specifically shown to come to that entrance. If you didn't know, she was the one who gave him the directions. and everyone knew where was coming. They even looked at the entrance when the sensors finally realized that he was here. The point is that there were byakugan users, sensors and kage level ninjas. but no one knew where Sasuke was in that room after the sensors comfirm of him entering. And I'm fairly surprised that you didn't get why Karin was specifically shown to come to that entrance later, while Sasuke was already in the room fighting. That necessarily means he was no longer following her before he came in the room. The door and the hole A created are in the same hallway separated by some distance. Sasuke could've gone in either one. Once she's told him where the conference room is he no longer needs her. Ao knew exactly where he was. His active Byakugan says so, because that's what it does. Mifune was the only one who could handle his speed anyway and he's not a sensor. Plus, we don't know how fast Mifune is, so we have no way to compare the two. Who cares who else you claim he blitzed? They're not speedsters. It's like he blitzed Sakura, the slowest heifer at that time in the manga, and you're cheering about it. Who cares? BlazeRelease wrote: Well you need to know that Sasuke usually never had the luck to fight people who weren't weaker than his power level.Minato was already faster than A. Sasuke usually did not have someone to fight against in his major battles in where he could overpower them in strength and speed.

But he did escape Diedera's explosives point blank. That doesn't address my point. You're claiming Sasuke blitzed someone when 1) because they didn't instantly know where he was when 2) he didn't actually attack them. By the same logic, Danzou appeared on a tower next to Sasuke only to talk some shit but not attack and Sasuke took a moment to find where Danzou was at and therefore got blitzed by your definition, BlazeRelease wrote: You misunderstood me there. I said that his MS without koto wouldn't be able to match the abilities of Sasuke's. And koto's problem that the user could still be awakened from the control. Mifune was awakened from it after just realizing it. That's why Obito wanted Sasuke to deal with Danzo. that way if Sasuke falls under Koto then tobi will help and vice versa.

Though I must say, the koto Itachi used seemed bit wierd. Itachi knew he was being in koto. Maybe it was just that Itachi never resisted it? Though I wonder what would have it actually happened if Sasuke got in Koto though.

Itachi knew he was in Koto because he knew it was coming beforehand. All Koto did for him was break Kabuto's hold over him. Probably, whatever Itachi wanted to happen to Sasuke would happen to him. In any case, that kind of torpedoes your point about knowing Koto breaks Koto, since Itachi knew he'd be in Koto before so should've had no effect. However, there's no way to prove the two Koto's from different eyes aren't slightly different like the two Kamui's from different eyes, so I won't bother debating it. BlazeRelease wrote: Those Susanoo arrows just pierced away through Danzo's wood release tree. They are quite strong and quite sharp. Even SPSM Naruto avoided it with TSB. Naruto get's killed by them. unless he has a snake like body and much more speed that is. Not the same arrows. The tailed beast enhanced arrows Naruto countered with TSBs exploded. The original ones are just chakra constructs. The Rhino summons Naruto caught had a sharp horn too. Didn't help much did it? Sage Naruto has plenty speed and threat perception, as he demonstrated against 3rd Raikage. He obviously can deal with Susanoo's original arrows. BlazeRelease wrote: In my opinion Naruto might have a chance. But realising Danzo's technique and all is very important. Otherwise how can he actually fight against him to defeat him by aiming at his weakness if he couldn't even manage to figure out it's basis? Sage Naruto's a sensor. He's also very observant. He's visual tactile learner. He would have the same information Sasuke and Karin had. He would see Danzou's sharingan eyeballs closing one by one. He would notice his chakra plummeting with his sage sensing whenever that happened. No trouble figuring that out, just like he had no trouble figuring out 3rd Raikage injured himself. Just like he had no trouble figuring out how to track Nagato by stabbing himself with his receivers. A whole village full of Byakugan's, sensor types, and Akamaru clansmen couldn't replicate this. BlazeRelease wrote: And I don't think Naruti could fool Danzo to use the last sharingan like Sasuke did. Doesn't need to. He has more chakra than either Sasuke or Danzou. He can out last Danzou, make Danzou kill a clone on his last eye, and take him out afterwards. He's done it before. He could do it again. BlazeRelease wrote: @Rachin123. Well I kind if programmed to be exactly like that. So Danzo still is arrogant and doesn't just go straight and kill Naruto.

Danzo's whole set Kind of ridiculous that Rachin123 keeps screaming plot this plot that. He acts like these characters really exist somewhere in the aether and Kishi's misrepresenting how they'd "actually" fight. Plot induced stupidity is part of the game. Naruto could've crushed Phat Pain's head with his forearm instead of just covering his eyes. He also could've bent natural energy around to kill God Realm when his kick was blocked same way he killed Phat Pain the first time when his punch was dodged. How stupid was that? Only plot stopped him from doing any of that. Funny how Rachin123 can only recognize plot effects when it agrees with his point of view.