Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-26636534-20190117000901

@Combat

I think you still don't understand what I'm saying. Please read this again as I think you have missed my point.

Ninja Of War wrote:

I also see that you are getting confused between, "strengthening a technique with more chakra" and "using a different technique that requires more chakra". Techniques are designed in a specific way that have certain requirements to produce the desired effect. Adding more chakra, changes the equation so to say, it's not as simple as you may think.

So look again with regards to my answer being the shadow clone technique.

Look, I don't wanna point out flaws in your posts all the time. But I feel I have to make an example at least with one instance of you running away with a point. Note: Just making you aware of this and hope you won't do it again.

You stated initially:

CombatIQmatters wrote: Naruto already showed that his massive stamina allowed him to summon gamabunta despite the fact that his chakra control was trash for complicated hand seal pattterns (with his base reserves he at best summoned a premature small frog). He literally needed kyuubi levels chakra to make up for his weak chakra control. Same idea applies here.

Itachi being at thirty percent means he didn't put much chakra into that version of ephemeral, but he compensated for it with his own insane chakra control in yin release. Put him at 100 percent, and 90 percent of the verse isn't breaking out of ephemeral.

And,

CombatIQmatters wrote: The point, is, it was SHOWN that the more chakra you put into a genjutsu the MORE Complex and harder to break it is.

To which I replied, "FYI, there are jutsu that don't become stronger with simply more chakra, e.g. shadow clone."

Then you said:

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Name me ONE ninjutsu or genjutsu in this manga that wasn't amplified by the users having access to more chakra... I'll wait.

Which still is shadow clone. Note: Shadow clones always halve your chakra, so yes, amount of chakra doesn't matter.

I think you are confusing actual jutsu and the use of said jutsu. As in the example I highlighted, the shadow clone technique remains the same. Shadow clones don't get stronger the greater amount of chakra reserves you have or with the amount of chakra you mold. 50 percent is always given to the clone. The clone takes a hit, and disperses.

I'll try and be brief with the other points:

1) Shikaku had to run through all the options of what could happen on the battlefield, Itachi using genjutsu on the troops was one of them, but Shikaku concluded it would be impossible for Itachi to do that. Ao's statement is semantics (it has been discussed before) since there are multiple meanings for "sensory unit" and the context of what was said.

2) Naruto's chakra control got better as he was learning the summoning technique. It didn't remain the same as you said.

3) Just an assumption that adding more chakra to Tsukuyomi increases time dilation.

4) Never said Itachi or Naruto were idiots, getting real tired of your false logic.

5) "Resetting" disturbed chakra is unsupported?? Check again what the effects of genjutsu are and how to combat it.

6) Tsunade not using genjutsu might be for personal preference, not because she lacks anything. Heavily assuming there.

7) I amend my statement on edo hokage being nerfed. But as I noted, not all techniques have that sliding scale of chakra usage.

8) Again, my point with the Nirvana comparsion is, it would have mean't much more if Itachi caught Kakashi with Ephemeral, and Kakashi struggled. Yet Naruto struggled with something he has arguably no skill in, hasn't mastered countering and hasn't experienced before. Is Itachi good? Yes. Is he legendary for doing that against Naruto? No.