Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-31660872-20170403131802/@comment-27089028-20170408211122

Thekillman wrote: Starscream1998 wrote: Just because Madara was in full control of his actions and decisions doesn't change the fact he was following Black Zetsu or more accurately Kaguya's whims It does change everything. Obito was unable to do anything. Madara was in full control, he made his own decisions. Sure he didn't know the complete picture. But the IT still provides people with peaceful dreams. They just don't survive endlessly. Really doesn't, a pawn is a pawn. Pretty sure he's the reason for the Kyubi attack and pretty much kickstarted the plot and then proceeded to be the Big Bad til Madara came into the picture, Obito being unable to accomplish any of his goals is not the same as not doing anything which we both know is not true at all. Still a pawn, Madara was just unaware of it is all. It won't change the fact he unwillingly danced to Black Zetsu's tune no matter how cocksure or free he was in his decisions. It turns people into White Zetsu though, pretty sure that wasn't part of Madara's vision. Madara Uchiha was an unwilling pawn the same as Obito which Black Zetsu in the anime points out to him. Even in the manga he literally tells the overconfident Uchiha it was presumptuous of him to think he could not be manipulated also.