Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20181031181855/@comment-36992754-20181112050252

LoneNinja wrote: @Flatzone

The only feat we need is Ay's statement of him being the fastest. We have proof he is the fastest prior to KCM Naruto. You can deny the statement all you want and the feat of not only his arm, body, throwing, and reaction speed easily moving faster than Absolute Ay (Minato was able to move his arm faster than Ay who needed just to move an inch while Minato made more than an inch's movement. Then he was able to change positions and thrust downwards before Ay could even react/move a foot forward). So a feat of outpacing Ay and a statement from Ay. Then him being faster than the Hokage with Shunshin, and a statement from Tobirama of him being superior with it. What more do we need?

But yes. Naruto and Sasuke are without a doubt faster than Minato. So I shown that Sage Mode Minato is slower than Jubi Madara. KCM Minato was also easily countered by Juubi Obito a few times. Sage Mode lasts for about one move worth of time for Minato, which is why it's weak for him. So it really isn't viable unless it's for a single attack, not a speed competition. Even then, at best he'd probably reach the Jubi Jin's level of speed. Naruto and Sasuke have already moved on from that speed. Sasuke in base was keeping up with Jubi Madara, now he has lightning augments that increase his speed further and is a dozen or two older and thus improved. Naruto has shown to be Sasuke's equal as they fought with Momoshiki and both were equal all around. Therefore, at Minato's best and that's a big maybe, he is at Jubi Jinchuriki speed. But that might even be a stretch to say. So i was right? Also, I think minato still is the fastest. Tobirama could tag a vastly superior superior version of obito (juubito). And if tobirama in edo tensei could do that, then minato could definitely do the same. Like I said, it took a base minato to do in speed what a KCM naruto could do. And since minato has complete mastery over sage mode and kyuubi, his speed is potentially near limitless. I believe minato was kinda nerfed for plot reasons. Logically, since minato is already on par with kcm naruto, prime minato could just stack kcm on top of sage mode and literally be the fastest shinobi the series. Plus, the momoshiki fight doesn't really back up anything in terms of speed. Naruto and Sasuke's reflexes seemed to be faster and their speed was also increase but it didn't really give anything in terms of actual feats. And it took more strategy than speed to take down momoshiki. They were fighting really fast but it wasn't as if they were blitzing each other the whole time.