Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26107879-20181004003653/@comment-26107879-20181010220526

Ohhh. You guys actually replied faster than i thought you would. Depending on your next one, I might be able to squeeze another reply.

But now you guy's switched up. Your holding onto Minato's statement now as evidence.

I know very well about Chapter 240. The wiki even makes note of that very chapter as evidence that people can react to Chidori with ease.

"Because they charge in a straight line it is easy for opponents to attack them, and because of the tunnel vision it is difficult for the user to see these attacks, much less react to them. For this reason, most ninja cannot use the Chidori safely"[Chapter 240, Chidori].

You guys interpret Minato's words as a speed boost even though the word boost is never used. The wiki interprets it as this attack is easy to react to. And it is.

EVERYONE literally has reacted to the Chidori except fodder. People have literally controlled the outcome against Chidori. Rin who was next to Kakashi, was able to easily just stroll in the way and get cut down, guess she's faster than Chidori Kakashi. Haku was able to easily sense and jump in the way with ease. Mere Genin see it as it occurs. A mere fodder like Mahiru could react to it. Mahiru is definitely a fodder, since fodder are useless, no named, or characters just shown to die. According to your guy's logic, Jonin Kakashi with Chidori should be faster than Genin Lee without weights. If that is the case, why is tunnel vision a problem? If you got that speed, 90% of the Shinobi population shouldn't be able to react to it. Period. Yet, Kakashi is scared to use it? People all say it's easy to be countered? No logic.

@Ruthless

"It is fast. Why is it that a point is made about the speed of the users movements if it isn't fast?"

Because the user themselves are just moving really fast. There's no boost. The reason speed is such a big deal for Chidori is due to the fact Chidori is amplified in power due to how fast the user is. This is the reason Kakashi trained Sasuke to move fast. If it just boosts your speed, there'd be no reason for Sasuke to have to train his speed against Gaara who was a standstill fighter. All he would do and did do, was rush him and broke through the sand shield.

@Combat "The "randoms" you are talking about have proven you wrong already. The proof is that you still haven't addressed the major arguments."

Actually you haven't. Because if you did, the wiki would of been changed already if I was so clearly wrong.

And off topic? This topic is about changing Chidori's page? What do you mean off topic? You guys changing the page has everything to do with the topic. If you don't plan on changing it, why are you even on this thread cause that's what the thread is about? A Moderator debunked my claim? What claim? That the vs debates are toxic to most moderators? I clearly debunked your claim they did when i posted direct quotes from them. 3+ > 1. Majority. Simple math. Why is that even relevant to the discussion? You're sort of right, the wiki makes speed at which the Chidori is performed, clear. So why doesn't it make a speed boost clear like every other speed technique? Go look. Every single one flat out states it boosts the user's speed or makes them faster. Chidori is the only one? Doubtful. If Chidori had such an ability, i doubt anyone wouldn't make that clear seeing as it's one of the most important techniques in the series. All chidori is, is a stab. Nothing more, nothing less. Gai made that clear. It wouldn't be a simple stab if it boosts one's speed. He would of said "It's a technique that boosts one's speed greatly and the user then stabs the person." No. He said Chidori is a "simple stab" that heightens the flesh of the arm and with the user's speed it makes the "chi chi chi". Actually let me be exact with what he said. He said Chidori is a "Simple stab" and "the great amount of Chakra that creates the heightened flesh because the Chakra is concentrated in the hand". So it's obvious what Chidori does. It just heightens the arm. Nothing more, nothing less.

@Legion 240 doesn't flat out state boost in speed, so why do you keep using that? As I stated, the wiki doesn't take that as it boosts one's speed. It takes that chapter and everything said as it's easily seen and countered. Yes speed is involved. Yes, the user is fast. I don't deny that. I deny the point Chidori amplifies the user's speed. So this chapter of Minato saying Kakashi's "movements are so fast", is just me seeing Kakashi can be fast. Nothing more. I didn't ignore Lee's statement. I clearly used it in my statement. "You aren't going to see it coming"? Also, no. It's not a if, Lee made it very very clear that it's easy. He literally flat out said it's easy to be countered. He was very direct and can't be misdirected. "If" did not come from his lips. It's a matter of when it's countered. If it was such a big speed boost, the user wouldn't have to worry about being countered. They'd be able to blitz with ease. Hit before the opponent can react. But that ain't the case. Cause the user can't move as fast as you claim they can.