Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31171723-20170128170340/@comment-35622277-20170203194427

Ravenlot 27 wrote: Yeah, but the point is, he sensed it, which includes the Sage Mode sensing rather than usual sensory skills Madara possessed or his speed. And SM isn't the ability of Madara, he just stole it from Hashirama. Yeah I know that, I was just rebutting QuakingStar's previous argument. Kakashisologod wrote: Itachi wasnt manipulated by obito,sorry if i hurt you feelings but obito was tricked by itachi,but not just him kabuto too. Uh...are you sure we're reading the same series? He didn't trick Obito at all, since he basically did his dirty work for him for several years, thereby advancing Akatsuki's goals. Obito also knew of the circumstances behind the Uchiha Clan downfall, so he knew Itachi would attempt to hinder their goals in the end. He didn't trick Kabuto, he used Shisui's eye in a crow (to be used against Sasuke), shoved it down Naruto's throat and he just happens to be there when he was re-incarnated.

Also, Obito unleashed the Nine-Tails on the leaf village, with the intent of causing distrust between the hidden leaf and the Uchiha. He forced Itachi's hand, and the one who gained the most was Obito. So I'm pretty sure he was manipulated. However that's not to say Itachi didn't manipulate some events to his favor though, such as not capturing Naruto.

I'm not saying Itachi was unknowingly manipulated, but manipulation is still manipulation.

We're kind of off topic, so lets just get back to the subject at hand.