Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-44142243-20200416151624/@comment-6769189-20200422205025

CyberianGinseng wrote:

This entire notion that Itachi found some spiritual items in a cave somewhere rests upon a literal unreliable narrorator's testimony that someone was looking for something and failed to find it. He isnt unreliable. He is our exposition character for almost the entire Sasuke vs Itachi fight.

CyberianGinseng wrote:

From this some people speculate that Orochimaru was necessarily in the know and wouldn't have been looking for something that can only be found in an Uchiha's eye socket. For this to even be feasible, Orochimaru would have to be shown as infallible. The problem is Orochimaru is shown to be quite fallible. He fails to know why he can't summon the 4th Hokage in his battle against the 3rd. Nothing indicates that he doesnt know why. He notes it didnt work but he isnt like "OMFG WHY DIDNT IT WORK?! STUPID JUTSU"

For all we know he tried it to see if it could be done.

CyberianGinseng wrote:

He didn't know what the 4th's Shinigami technique was until it was used on him. No evidence he knew anything about Kaguya and the true nature of Black Zetsu. He was completely outclassed by Itachi and summarily dismissed TWICE! He basically failed his way to success. Not knowing secrets that only 2-3 characters knows doesnt mean he doesnt know things about other things.

CyberianGinseng wrote:

In order to prove this claim, you'd have to show some corroborating evidence that Itachi found any artifacts at any time. There is literally no indication that Itachi found anything anywhere other than the deep dark cave that is his eye socket. There is no indication that he didnt find it elsewhere.

The fact that there are legends and myths about the sword and its mechanics are proof that it existed without Itachi

TB is also not listed as a Kekkei Genkai CyberianGinseng wrote:

All of his powers are associated with his or somebody else's eyes. He is never shown using any major power not associated with somebody's eyeballs. There are a number of non-dojutsu techniques in his aresenal.

CyberianGinseng wrote:

Instead of proving their claims with hard evidence of Itachi finding something somewhere, people are speculating that Itachi must have found it, because Orochimaru was looking for it. However, if you're going to make the argument that nobody ever finding it doesn't automatically mean that it couldn't be found, a rational person would have to admit that somebody looking for it doesn't automatically mean that it could be found. Clearly, these arguments aren't rational. This whole argument is based on nothing but flawed logic at its finest. The argument that it is a part of Itachi's Susanoo or that it can only be located in his eye is flawed because someone before Itachi had it and it isnt listed as Kekkei Genkai or dojutsu