Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26403664-20160228225013/@comment-27660682-20160301024906

Gmanis41 wrote: @MigShinobi The reason why one can argue that the yata mirror is a ninjutsu because it is from the Susanoo which is a ninjutsu and it is in the form of chakra. It's a susanoo spirit tool so it is being maifested by ninjutsu.

Like I said the Truth Seeking Balls are still beyond elemental ninjutsu. They are simply composed of six paths chakra or senjutsu, the five elements, and yin-yang release. They are in a completel different realm and are not elemental ninjutsu. Just because it contains an element doesn't mean it is an element.

"Obito claimed you needed hashirama cells to use izanagi when you don't." Well that was more of a retcon. Characters in stories are misinformed all of the time like how when characters were confused when Hashirama was really more powerful than Hiruzen. The same applies. Also Madara has no previous knowledge that the Infinite Tsukouyomi turns people into White Zetsu, both Madara and Obito were misinformed, not lying. Also just because the character lied in the story doesn't make what he says false, there's a thing called context, Sakura lied to Naruto about loving him (even though Naruto knew she was lying) that doesn't mean that Sakura is an incredible source on anything she says.

"And I already showed why that logic doesn't work. It's innocent till proven guilty. All those examples used were obvious retcons. There is no evidence of the yata mirror being retconned so you can't compare to it cases where there is evidence of a retcon." Well you only refer to how it wasn't retconnned and how characters are wrong. In reference to the lack the lack of a retcon the information about Itachi was not updated and was made for the specific time when Itachi was still alive in the manga. Kishimoto is an author who has a tendency to forget things and then make up other things on the fly, he's a good author but it's true. The problem is you're making the claim that it is strong enough to block an attack and the response to that is the evidence you are providing isn't strong enough to prove your claim. Plot device also has no part here, the senjustsu Kurama clad Susanoo sword was strong enough to break the sword of Nunobokoo and that's final considering it did. Finally the other analogies made like the ultimate defense are actually similar to the claim about the Yata Mirror. The mirror is claimed that it is impenetrable, so is Gaara's ultimate defense. Gaara's defense was proven wrong and the only different is that the mirror hasn't been proven wrong yet. They are both claims and a trend in the Naruto universe is that claims will always be made false. Actually, black zetsu implied the weapons were found by itachi. Orochimaru was said to be searching for the totsuka blade for all his life. So itachi found those weapons and bound them to his susanoo somehow.the truth seeking balls are a fusion of all nature transformation s just like the yata mirror is. Ying and yang are still nature transformations, it says so on the wiki.

Obito and madara arent 100 percent credible because black zetsu gave them some false information. Since they are misinformed, I dont 100 percent trust what they have to say about the sage of six paths without third party confirmation. I know it depends on the context, which people arent taking into an account. All the examples given were by sources who werent credible or were proven wrong. I proved why black zetsu is a credible source for the yata mirror, and the writer himself then provided backing to the claim. Yes Kishimoto made mistakes, but you can't stereotype everything in the manga because of that. Saying the yata mirror is retconned on the basis other similar hype was refuted is basically stereotyping. An explanation was given that the yata mirror adapts to its attacks by matching the attributes.