Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-35971603-20181201063359

CombatIQmatters wrote: @Duvlee 1)Because none of those techniques are busting through a defense as powerful as v4 susano'o, even with the restrictions to the yata mirror.

2) I have no clue why this matters. The blade is a part of his arsenal so if it gets him the win he won the fight. It doesn't matter that it's overpowered.

3) This point has already been debunked. People try to discredit the blade's speed because his targets (nagato and orochimaru) were supposedly completely immobile yet they failed to register a mental reaction to the blade, rendering their mobility irrelevant. Nagato is immobile when it's convenient for their argument yet that same nagato is chasing after killer bee immediately after blowing him away with shinra tensei, with no sign of mobility issues. Even ignoring the mobility issue, he has shinra tensei and preta path, which last I check don't require mobility, they require a mental reaction, which he couldn't register to the totsuka blade despite seeing it right in front of him. So yeah, the blade is extraordinaly fast.

4) Size has everything to do with it. The yakaska matagama is stated to be his strongest long range attack, and it's clear he can change the size. Greater Size means more mass and more mass means it has more momentum when thrown, basic physics. 4 of his smaller matagama stunned a perfect sage and they weren't even directly thrown at him, that is enough proof it's a solid feint against these 3 opponents.

5) Sage mode kabuto and kakashi cannot track/percieve itachi's clone formations and substitution. Zero reason to believe that orochimaru can. The clones are used as diversions/misdirect his opponent's attention while his real self initiates an attack in their blindspot.

6) Zero reason to believe orochimaru is as fast as itachi when itachi has hand seal speed feats against kakashi and hebi sasuke, and orochimaru has no feat to suggest he can match itachi's.

7) When an opponent is superior to his enemies then of course the fight will go his or her way lol. Madara defeated the 5 kages with his perfect susano'o without breathing because he was superior, it's that simple. There is a difference in speed and intellect here. How is kimimaro reacting to an attack as fast as amaterasu after being stunned by a clone feint? what feats suggest he can do that? I doubt he is even fast enough to react to amaterasu at all even without a diversion. Where are Konan's speed feats and reaction feats? she has virtually none. How are her paper bombs harming a defense as powerful as Susano'o?

Healthy itachi enjoys a boost in stamina compared to sick itachi, and that matters a lot.

Itachi outclasses these 3 opponents in every way except for stamina essentially, and they have no way of dealing with his greater speed and better hax. 1- I'm sufficiently certain Some things they have can break through a sussano. i dont ken much about sussano's but i dont cerebrate they're bulwark is Impossible to break. for example,Orochimarus blade Kusanagi, Long sword of the Sky said to be able to cut through virtually anything would probably get through, lets do that with his 10k snake technique where each and every one conjures one inside their Mouths and thats ten thousand Snakes with prodigiously potent blades flying at sussano ( of course this can be blocked or ceased just an example of something that can break through the sussano. And if you optate ill give more. Oh and afore i perpetuate, Orochimary is Extremely sturdy and arduous to kill. He's gotten hit by Potent jutsu Straight first and Emerge like " ok". when he got A fireball blasted into him During the chunnin exams, Being cut in half by 4 tail naruto, getting hit by an almighty push from One inch maybe less Infront of pains hand, and much more, he was impeccably fine after. ok now i will give some: Triple Rashoumon 3 profoundly puissant barriers capable of ceasing a 9 tails tailed beast blast which was even elongated in power due to the naruto in four tale state swallowing it and growing it in his belly to even more potency. i'm more then sure these puissant barriers would stop The bead attack. They are casted very expeditious additionally, its as simple as slamming his hands to the ground, after pinching his thumbs with his teeth. Fuuton: Daitoppa, The great breakthrough technique. Not insanely potent but puissant enough to throw Flames back. Fuuton: Kaze Garasuhen, wind shards even better then mundane, Since the Beads attacks Revolve around Fire ( atleast presumibly i'm not sure ) it will inhance its puissance, if not then it doesnt change much. This engenders a barrier That Will shater in contact with an assailment, blocking the assailment and the Shards of winds Blasting at the Intended direction, So fire shards of wind flying back at itachi, yikes. of course the beads might be too potent and still fly through the shards will still fly at itachi. Fuuton: Kouhantoppa, The more puissant version of the breakthrough At A rank. Would easly send back any fire attack which is impotent to incoming Wind especially to wind as puissant as Kouhnatoppa. Fuuton: Kaze Kujo Hebi a similair variant of tempest but in the shape of a snake. Doton: Haka Shouheki, An earth Tomb of bulwark which shrugs off even B ranked jutsus like nothing, tackling a ranks with some quandary nonetheless still blocking. Hiru-Issai-Soushi: Raishuu Soshi no Jutsu, where he sinks into any objects around him evanescent entirely to evade an assailment. I cerebrate thats more then enough- anyways you get the point i could sit here for hours listing potent Abilities he can utilize to forfend against itachi and even fight back.

2-I ken. my Statement Exclaimed the win was still his, If you read the cessation, Ill jubilantly reiterate it for you; i was simply explicating that you're utilizing that as some kind of feet for how excellent he is, when swinging a cyclopean Death sword isnt Impressive. Because in your verbal expression antecedently you brought it up to accolade itachi. even an old blind man can swing an incredibly potent sword at an enemy thats stuck in the Mouth of a snake.

3-its virtually as if you didnt read what me or any one has expressed? it isnt the blade that is expeditious. it is Itachi. AFFIRMATIVE, it swings expeditious because itachi swings it expeditious. No one is saying that it is not swung At amazing speeds, but that's because of itachi, while you keep saying it is the blade thats expeditious.

4-If i shoot a fireball at Someone they will burn and die. if i shoot a sizably voluminous fireball at someone they will burn and die. Unless the more sizably voluminous fireball i shot has a magical property to be more vigorous it wont, Other then Hitting the circumventing targets aswell. That is all size changes here.

5- so when 3 Clones appear abaft all 3 of them not even one will relinquish any of the following: Theres something abaft me Let me dodge? let me substitute? Let me block, oh look everyone else is turning around as well could this be a trap? the last one is marginally extra but the first two are plenarily legitimate. shinobi Substitute out of surprise assailments all the time. Especially someone like orochimaru who can utilize All of the Chakra types can supersede utilizing any of them, though most iconically his snake one. His bone helper can supersede and so can Konan.

6-Yes will i concur itachi is probably the most expeditious it doesnt mean orochimaru isnt expeditious aswell.he has dozens of years of training but We dont Know since he atleast to my cognizance doesnt have speed Feets when it comes to that, So sure itachi weaves more expeditious. But by what a few mila seconds? maybe a full second wont change much in a battle when orochimaru has two teamates who can keep him bulwarked for even just that extra second. Additionally jutsus require a different amount and etc, So it depends what jutsus they are casting. but yes itachi is more expeditious.

7-Refer to my Substitution post, I'm not sure for konan and Kimi, But i ken Orochimaru Would Substitute or dodge, One of the two. he isnt an imbecile, you claim itatchi to be A genius which he is, But so is orochimaru. ever since a child, And this is an orochimaru A Prodigal genius with around 70 years of life Studying verboten jutsus, and other stuff compared to a Uchiha with remotely 20 years of life. itachi is astonishing, very potent he is, Though i doubt he could subjugate an orochimary with two Edo's konan and kimi. Stop acting like he is omnicient and would be able to orchestrate out the entire battle, Just because he's been perspicacious in a fight afore, multiple people have, orochimaru has. and i dont cerebrate itachi is more expeditious then orochimaru? Reaction or zOOMIng sagacious. Granted i dont ken much but orochimaru is an expeditious person. probably even more expeditious now with his hashirama celled body, And those 15-20+ years. And affirmative, kimi and konan might get hit thats probably what will transpire but then what? they're edos they dont die.

And i disaccord a raise in stamina, while it is a sizably voluminous transmute it isnt anything Insane that Multiplies his puissance or anything. 15-20+ years of Who knows what crazy things orochimaru was learning and gaining an incipient Body with hashirama cells, and if u ken anything you ken how good hashirama cells are > Not being sick anymore so you have more stamina.

aghh that took a while lol.