Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20160221130323/@comment-27963918-20160414172114

BakumatsuWarrior wrote: 9 Arts dragon wrote: Given that Itachi could keep up with chakra mode Naruto who equalized Ay in speed while in mere Edo form I'd say anything less than 8th gates blitzing Itachi is nonsensical but even at 8 gates Gai wouldn't disappear from Itachis sight if minato could easily perceive him Not this again. Naruto and Itachi were chatting while fighting, and Naruto wasn't even moving that fast. Itachi sure has great speed. Part 1 Kakashi was unable to keep up with Itachi in both speed and power. But there's nothing in the manga lore that even remotely suggests that Itachi has speed comparable to Ay. Both Naruto and Edo Itachi were chatting about Sasuke and the Uchiha massacre. That fight should not be used as evidence of Itachi being as fast as Ay, because it isn't. Naruto wasn't being casual they were fighting hand to hand and he was keeping up with him he was being controlled by kabuto and easily countered both bee and Naruto at once Madaras speed hasn't been implied that fast either yet he easily counters bijuu mode Naruto with one hand

@Minato97 That's if he can get a blitz before Itachi traps him in Genjutsu brute force alone won't help against anything when you can trap your opponent in easy illusions he can't escape or reflect his attack with Yata. FTG minato is slower than Madara even Obito blitzed him.Madara was only overwhelmed by Gai via plot however since he should have a plethora of ways to end him even in 8 gates