Talk:Kage

Konan?
In the list of Kage-level village leaders who aren't Kage, shouldn't Konan be included too, being both a village leader and kage level? 71.178.101.200 (talk) 21:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC) shes not that strong because jiraiya easily took her on and he was considered kage-levelNarutosagemaster (talk) 21:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Jiraiya was able to temporarily disable her jutsu because he knew her weakness and had a jutsu to exploit it, but she was not out of action or injured in the least, and that's Jiraiya, one of the most powerful ninja in the series and strong even for a kage/s-class ninja. Him beating her doesn't make her not qualify, all of the Akatsuki are S-class criminals.71.191.20.162 (talk) 21:32, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

キラービーの本当の名前ハチ公はルイ.

雷影の本当の名前黒されて津.

地球の影のニックネーム小野木和了ドラゴンスケールです.

水シャドウの本当の名前を霊です. Flameboy4z (talk) 09:22, November 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * Which on-line translator did you use to get that?
 * 彼はおそらく、Googleを使用します. :D That guy probably used >insert obvious here<! LOL --Alastar 89 (talk) 07:01, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Kage commonalities
Kishimoto doesn't seem to be very creative with the overall descriptions of the various kage. Each kage has something in common with other kage of the same number.

1. Of course, the First -kage of each village founded their respective villages and were considered of incredible power. The First Hokage brought together the Senju and Uchiha clans and was hailed as the most powerful ninja of his time, and the First Kazekage brought together the desert-dwelling ninja. It can be assumed this applied for the First Mizukage, First Raikage, and First Tsuchikage (manga-canon).

2. The Third -kage of each village were elderly men with great power. The Third Hokage was nearly 70 years old and undefeated until he sacrificed himself to seal Orochimaru's arms, the Third Kazekage was regarded as the most powerful, and the Third Tsuchikage is a tiny old man who successfully fought Madara Uchiha in the past

3. The Fourth -kage were middle-aged men with connections to the bijuu: the Fourth Hokage (Minato Namikaze) and Fourth Kazekage were the fathers to Naruto and Gaara (both jinchuriki), the Fourth Raikage is the older brother to Killer Bee, the Fourth Mizukage was the jinchuriki for the Three-Tailed Beast. As well, the Fourth Hokage, Mizukage, and Raikage had/have blond hair.

4. There's a little more variation here. The Fifth Hokage and Mizukage are both women, while Gaara (Fifth Kazekage) and the Fifth Mizukage are both very young by Kage standards.

By the looks of his puppet, Third Kazekage wasn't an old man. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:41, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

If Sandaime Kazekage is still alive and undergoing aging today, he'll be as old as Sarutobi more or less. Sasori killed Sandaime Kazekage about 20 years before Shippuden. Sasori was around 35 in Shippuden. It means Sasori was 15 when he killed the Sandaime Kazekage. By the looks of it, Sandaime Kazekage looks like he's around 40 to 50 when he was killed. After 20 years, which is the Shippuden time, he'd be 60 or 70. Just my opinion though.
 * Well, if you look at it that way, then all the first Kage would be very, very old. All the second Kage as well.
 * Seriously, though. The similarities between the first Kage are to be expected. That's how they became the first Kage of their respective villages; by founding them
 * The third Kage similarities are already a lot weaker. Both the Third Hokage and Third Tsuchikage are very old. Both the Third Hokage and the Third Kazekage were the strongest of their Kage lineages. There is no similarity between all three of them.
 * The Fourth Hokage was not middle-aged, he was only in his mid-twenties. The Tailed-Beast connection is a similarity they all share, but that is to be expected as well. Given the chronology of the series, the fourth kage are the ones that influenced the events that started the plot of the series. The Tailed Beasts are vital to that.
 * Three of them may have light hair, but there is still a huge difference between their hair colours.
 * The Fifth Mizukage isn't young by Kage standards. She's in her thirties. The Fourth Kazekage and the Fourth Raikage are only about a decade older and both were most likely already in power in their thirties. The Fourth Hokage was a lot younger than the Fifth Mizukage. The Third Hokage was most likely a lot younger as well. The Fifth Kazekage is about half her age.
 * The similarities are sketchy at best and certainly not the result of a lack of originality. --ShounenSuki (talk 22:53, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Third hokage was the youngest hokage possibly at the age of 15 or something, followed by gaara, and minato namikaze aslo became hokage at a young age, Their the youngest ones.

Naming
Shouldn't be in trivia section that only the hokage were caled by they number (shodai,nidaime,etc) and the mizukage tsuchikage, raikage and the kazekage wasn't (in theyr village, of course)   sorry the bad speelling. --The ultimate fan of NARUTO welimer2 23:15, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ao once called the Mizukage by Godaime. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:50, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Some one fix this

Co-Kage
Is it possible for 2 ninjas to be kage at the same time? I dont mean going into retirment and another going in, i mean 2 people being co-kages.Scott sswag (talk) 09:27, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * No friend that would only lead to problems. Actually I won't say it's impossible just highly improbable --Cerez (talk) 11:41, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Family
In the article it says that jinchuriki are often family of the kages to avoid betrayal and consolidate strength. Shouldn't we add Shodai hokages wife? She offered to be the host of the kyuubi and she had a connection with two of the hokages ToonLiger (talk) 05:48, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * She didn't become a jinchūriki to avoid betrayal and consolidate strength. —ShounenSuki (talk 08:58, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

Time to choose a kage?
I have a question, is it possible that a country can stay a period of time without selecting a kage? or does it immediately have to choose a leader? i know that in konoha's pain invasion they selected danzo as the candidate because of the gokage meeting and the destruction of konoha. But if Gaara is the next kazekage after his dad, and Mei Terumi is the next mizukage after Yagura, it tends to create a lapse without a kage. Please correct me if Im wrong ToonLiger (talk) 05:08, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fundamentally yes they can but it's essentially the same as a headless chicken. A country without a Kage can be taken as a sign of weakness and an opportunity for other countries to invade that nation and other stuff so it just isn't done.--Cerez☺ (talk) 05:18, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * We do not how large a gap there was between Yagura and Mei. Kirigakure may have been as quick to find a replacement as Konoha was with Tsunade to Danzo. ~SnapperTo 06:30, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know there's no explicit way to knowing how long was the gap between Yagura and Mei, in the same volume it states the kiri elder giving the kage hat to Mei, but she also says that the terrible reign of Yagura was long over. Its like a plot hole intended for the fans to think about, like what happened to Madara's body. I think Kishi is playing with us. ToonLiger (talk) 15:00, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not because the Elder gave Mei the hat means that was her inauguration.I'd assume they'd have had a grander ceremony for that she was probably Mizukage way before that.--Cerez☺ (talk) 15:39, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see the elder giving her the hat as a sign of her inauguration. If Tsunade was the one going to the summit, I can very well picture Shizune handing her the hat before she left. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:39, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Kage Image
I think this thumbnail should be used to represent their fight with Madara. There's the text and theno text version.--Davidchola2 (talk) 13:07, December 24, 2011 (UTC)Davidchola2
 * Though I'm not too sure what you're talking about, the words "The Ultimate Team" and the Mangastream/Binktopia logo violates the Narutopedia:Image policy.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 13:26, December 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but we use the raw one (with the Japanese), not the fresh ones, as long as I know, there is a raw one already. --Ilnarutoanime -NejiLoverr- 13:27, December 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the current image is more illustrative.--Spcmn (talk) 14:07, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Image again
The first panel of this page is better to depict the current Kage, no? No people in the background and Onoki isn't destroyed Abe 16:40,7/5/2012
 * Looks good.  http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 17:33, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Would you mind to upload it, if it's chosen? I don't know how does the Licensing thing work in this wiki very well... Abe 18:13,7/5/2012
 * You may see this http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.png  (T@lk) 06:51, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * There's nothing wrong with the current one. - White Flash - (Talk) - 08:30, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Even the fact that Onoki is destroyed, there are people in the background, speech bubbles, and Gaara's arm isn't well-edited? Abe 10:15,7/6/2012

Here, isn't this one much better? Abe 10:33,7/6/2012
 * Does that even matter? That's something so trivial really. - White Flash - (Talk) - 17:57, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well if you think so, who am I to say the opposite... Abe 18:13,7/6/2012
 * We're this close to have an anime version of it, uploading another manga image is literally pointless. - White Flash - (Talk) - 19:01, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * It isn't pointless. We aren't running a race to replace manga images. Though the Kage look more BA in the one there now. I wouldn't oppose the switch out either.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 12:14, July 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * By "BA" you mean "Badass"? Well I think images should depict the subject in the most correct way possible. Isn't that the reason of why Kisame's personality section still has a Manga Image? Plus, I don't think we're that close to an anime image... Abe 04:49,7/9/2012
 * Aye, badass. That manga image is still there because it was supposed to be used to show his persona when killing his comrades but the anime didn't do a good job of it. I don't think the image there now is doing a poor job at it, it's just that the Kage look more groomed in the proposed one.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:41, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Name of the Hat
Anyone as an idea of the name of the square hat Kage wears ? Solar  || Laisser un message 22:54, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Kage Hat/Ceremonial Hat I guess--Elveonora (talk) 23:07, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Should we add as trivia the fact that all the Kages in the history of all villages have been shown with the exception of the 3rd Mizukage?--LordofBraxis (talk) 13:48, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's junk trivia.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 14:52, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

missing info
It should be noted it takes the majority of the vote of all of the villages Jonin to make another Jonin a Kage. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 23:02, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * We only know that to be true for Hokage, so it doesn't really belong to the Kage article. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:24, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

True.. but can it be safe to assume that Gaara was indeed a Jonin before becoming a Kage at age 15? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 03:11, March 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Have no way of actually knowing. For all we know, Suna picks their Kage out of a pool of strength alone, rank need not matter.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 03:35, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

order
i donno if this issue has been discussed before or not but I wanted to suggest that the order of the kages written [I mean ho-kaze-mizu-rai-tsuchi] be changed into order of the natures themselves [ho-kaze-rai-tsuchi-mizu]...you know...syncing them kindda looks better...or is there another reason why the order is the way it is now that I donno about...--DARK ZER06 (talk) 09:57, April 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ho-Kaze-Mizu-Rai-Tsuchi is the official order that was given I believe. Just my speculation, but I believe it's in order of their respective villages' establishment. Konohagakure was the first village, then Suna and so on.--Elveonora (talk) 10:08, April 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's alphabetical. ~SnapperTo 18:02, April 17, 2014 (UTC)