Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-31074250-20170410160032/@comment-734582-20170411082256

DC52 wrote: ... the extent of her dimensions is known. Except it's not. For all we know, all planets are in the same star system. There's nothing to suggest that the star seen at each dimension is a different star each time.

In any case, it's clear that Kaguya's use of "dimension" is absolutely nothing like, say, Obito's dimension. Obito had a weird crystalline world, whereas Kaguya's are honest-to-god planets.

DC52 wrote: Pertaining to the Ten Tails "imagine... the very earth and water that compromise this world... flows within every fiber of its being... its life force is that of the planet". Hagoromo said that the revival of the Ten Tails would signify the end of the world. The Ten Tails is the progenitor of all that exists in this world. It is said that the Ten-Tails split open the Earth and drank Oceans.

Second form Ten Tails was shown as a mass of chakra the size of a small planet. All sounds like hyperbole to me. Besides, we already know that few shinobi can stand against a Biju, and pretty much nobody could stand against the Ten Tails. So yes, the Ten Tails heralds the end of the world, as in, "the end of shinobi" not "literal destruction of the planet".

Humanity has enough nukes in the real world to destroy all life yet we're at least a dozen orders of magnitude from actually destroying a planet. Considering the power of similar-level shinobi etc, the Juubi would be the end of life on the surface, not the entire planet.

It's also not clear what exactly the sensing sphere represents, since nature energy can't be sensed by anyone except sages. Does that mean that the sphere represents people's chakra?

DC52 wrote: Well, here are the numerous moon to small planet size explosions. The problem is that for some reason you cant accept what Kishimoto wrote many many times. It's not some passing statement which should be disregarded Yea no those are not moon sized, not in the Earth moon sense. Not only do these explosions make no sense whatsoever in a realistic context (so any real attempts to calculate energy from size is wrong), their size is perhaps a hundred kilometers high (it doesn't seem to properly reach space). the moon is an order of magnitude bigger than that.

DC52 wrote: Anyways, i'm done with this argument for now. The downplay is strong with Naruto. No, your extrapolations are extremely rough, and you seem to always assume the highest values. Explosion size isn't a very meaningful statistic if you don't know how it correlates to power. In reality, explosion size is related to physical properties. Which is why we can scale explosion power of nukes with each other (but not with other things). Naruto has a bunch of extremely unrealistic explosions (hello, deidara!).

I've long recognized that Naruto isn't a perfectly self-consistent series. Speeds don't add up, sizes don't add up, strengths don't add up. Consistency is needed to get proper calculations, but you can't get those. Plus, planet scaling is something i've seen across many many fanbases for several shows and i've rarely ever seen anyone get it right. Mostly because space is big, planets are big and it's either hard to get right or impossible to make sense of for the audience. (mostly because at planetary sizes, you wouldn't be able to see much detail. Not even the chinese wall is visible from space, despite the fanatical persistence of this myth).

DC52 wrote: Those explosions would be planet size going by the calculation which puts the Naruto planet at a little smaller than Jupiter. Where does he get his initial scaling from, because i can't find it in the pictures. EDIT: I can crudely approximate the Naruto planet at 17000Km from that first picture, using his scale of 3.76km/pixel. Jupiter size my ass. Since my actual circle tool on paint can't perfectly fit the planet, it also shows that a lens-effect was used. So it's actually comparable to earth. EDIT2:

Error estimate: Assuming i'm within 1 pixel for a 3-point circle approximation, the error here is about 3 pixels. The picture fills about 1/18th of my circle, so i estimate my error to be 3*18 pixels for the circle shape approximation. Now, my big circle is 4585 pixels and my screengrab is about 700 pixels, so any small error in the screengrab is 6.55 worse in the end result. total error: (three-point approx *shape approx * scale approx *scale)=3*18*6.55*3.76km/pix =1300 km error. Since my circle approximation is slightly bigger than the screengrab (the planet is not a perfect circle in the manga frame) i assume i overestimated the size, which puts it remarkably close to the diameter of the earth.

EDIT3: just noticed this now: the last calculation: https://www.reddit.com/r/NarutoBattleIndex/comments/5gih5y/circumference_of_the_naruto_planet/ says the diameter of the planet is 56000km. the diameter of jupiter is three times that. I don't know why it calculates the circumference and compares that since it makes no sense. I also already proved that that figure is contradicted hard by other panels in the manga.