Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-6769189-20200705100921/@comment-44437908-20200711071341

LegionZero wrote: Oriondragon181119 wrote:

SPSM should he connected to Ashura because by your logic Hagoromo gave SPSM to Naruto but he doesn't have SPSM to give. Databook states that it is power given to Naruto by Hagoromo but he is not user of SPSM and that's odd. I dont know how many times in this thread i have explained that SPSM has jack shit to do with Ashura. My logic doesnt dictate that Ashura had it. Ashura is not involved in the exchange between Naruto and Hagoromo. Naruto is Ashura's reincarnate Hagoromo met him just because of that. He met Hashirama because he was Ashura's reincarnate. He didn't meet Kakashi or Obito when they have six paths chkara or senjutsu. Sasuke had rinnegan Naruto had SPSM and it makes sense. Hagoromo never had SPSM so how he gave it to Naruto.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Also why toneri has tsb is unknown and he had a huge amount of tsb but the tain tails jinchuriki Hagoromo and original tenseigan wielder Hamura had only 10 and that is also odd. We know why Toneri has TSB because the TSB databook entry tells us that TSB comes from SPS. If he has TSB, then he must have SPS, because SPS is a prerequisite. By obtaining the Tenseigan and recreating Hamura's powers. One of which was SPS

I dont know how it is that the series has given us the equation but you can only see the end result when it comes to Toneri. Only one explanation was ever given about how to obtain TSB and you can sit here and honestly proclaim that we dont know how it happened.

It doesnt matter how many Toneri has(although i think its the same amount he started with). Hagoromo/Madara/Hamura had 10. Obito started with 2 and eventually had 10. Naruto had 9. It doesnt change the fact that TSB are a 6 Paths Sage Technique Toneri should have tsb less than or equal to 10 as Hamura and Hagoromo had 10 the original tsb users besides Kaguya(but she can create it). Toneri acquired tenseigan which is downgraded version of Hamura's tenseigan. Its like saying Naruto has SPS without being a reincarnate or without being ten tails jinchuriki. You cannot surpass the original with downgraded vesrion of their power. Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Shikamaru stated that Naruto still has all the chakra of bijuu but he can't use SPS and he still has Hagoromo's chakra but still can't use SPS. why is that? Its not that Naruto doesnt have SPS. You just keep assuming that SPSM doesnt fall under the catagory of SPS. Also Naruto can still fly but you keep refusing to aconowldge that I am not saying he doesn't have SPS he is not using SPS(tsb is not here which should be as he never lost the 3). He is only using SPSM and not SPS. He is not using the cloak or the powers he used in war. He clearly is not using the powers only flight no truth seeker orbs. Flight only with KCM chakra. He had SPSM without KCM but now he is not using that that means something is different.