Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-26107879-20160217013038

@Ninja of War

I wasn't even going to reply because of your 1.1 statement. However I changed my mind. However ima keep it short.

1.1) Jiraiya stated he was going all out at the very beginning of the fight thus voids your claim he wasn't. You keep forgetting Itachi could use other Genjutsu besides the Sharingan based. The fact people said he could control multiple people on the manga chapter I provided, pretty much seals this case. Shisui also was able to use genjutsu outside a sensors range on multiple people, shown during Ao's flashback.

1.2) Not even gonna reply to this because the clones were also gathering their chakra and had their hands clapped. Also about the Kakashi thing, Kakashi could only make a handful of Shadow Clones while Naruto could make over a thousand without Kyubi.

2)I asked for a toad that could benefit Jiraiya, Gama is not one when he can just be Genjutsu'd, Amaterasu'd, Tsukuyomi'd, etc.

3)Then read the Manga chapter it has listed.

4) not even gonna argue. This one is pointless.

5) Agreed.

6) I think I gave you a reasonable time and it still isn't on there, so can't be used.

7) True.

8) There's no way a toad can get away from an Amaterasu flame when it could hit A in his Lightning Armor form and he needed Body Flicker+Lightning Armor to dodge it. That is a made up assumption that a toad is fast enough to dodge it.