Talk:Narutopedia

Administration
Just because this wiki is all about Naruto, and the introduction talks about liking fanatic people. I'm thinking we're going to call Bureaucrats Kages, Sysops Jounins, Registered Users Chunin, and Anons Genin. And yes, when given my status I can change Bureaucrat and Sysop to read Kage and Jounin. We could also call privileged users Tokubetsu Jonin. Or we could bump anons down to Academy Student, make Registered Users Genin, and make Privileged Users Chunin. Oh ya, and yes I am adopting the wiki. I'm also doing the same for the Anime and Inuyasha wiki, and setting it up so the anime related wikia can be linked together (i.e. An anime network.) Dantman (Talk) 04:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Good idea but I don't get it. -LoneWolf 5


 * sysops have the ability to protect/unprotect pages, edit protected pages, delete pages, ban users, etc... and bureaucrats have the ability to promote other users to be come sysops and bureaucrats. But we have special pages in the MediaWiki Namespace. MediaWiki:group-sysop-member can change the text of the tag displayed when people have a sysop flag on them. MediaWiki:group-sysop can change the plural of the name of the group they are listed under (Sysops in the drop-down box), and MediaWiki:grouppage-sysop can change the page which people are directed to when they click on that tag name in the userlist. The same goes for MediaWiki:group-bureaucrat-member, MediaWiki:group-bureaucrat, and MediaWiki:grouppage-bureaucrat. Using those pages, and changing all other occourences of their use in the system messages will basicaly allow me to change the tags for Sysop and Bureaucrat into whatever we choose. It lets us customize the MediaWiki system here to fit Naruto more. In the proposed case, Bureaucrat will become Kage, and Sysop could become Jounin. Basicly replacing the names of status in MediaWiki with the names of status in Naruto. Dantman (Talk) 04:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * So that would make me a.... By the way, can I remove some of the stuff off of this page? It seems to be a little crowded but I don't know if that is wrong or not.

-LoneWolf 5


 * Lol, technicaly yes you would be a Genin, or a Chunin depending on what system we picked. (Though more like Chunin cause you're one of the most active members ;)) But it wouldn't reflect that anywhere, only information on the administrative tags is shown. Ohhh, maybe bots could be a reference to the Ultimate Beasts, or whatever the name was. Actualy, this page isn't that big. We don't remove content from talk pages, we actualy Archive It, I'll figure out how this is done and I'll archive the completed sections of this page. Don't worry, I'll be setting up the Forums here once I have the ability to edit pages in the MediaWiki namespace. Dantman (Talk) 10:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Dattebayo vs. Believe It
People keep changing the Word used at the end of the Mission Statement for the Wiki. The wiki was made in english and most likely the english traditions should be kept when making quotes not actualy related to the Anime. Please discuss this instead of repeatedly altering the mission statement of the wiki which has been here for a long time. Till this is discussed the quote should read Believe It! because that was the original text of the quote. Dantman (Talk) 23:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry. When I first came up with it, I had no means of controversy. I only ment it as a fun little thing that might get people more introseted. -LoneWolf 5


 * Ok, but it would be best to not mix Japaniese into English. We should keep them defined seperate so we don't confuse people. Dantman (Talk) 03:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Why not put Believe it! as the text, and the link goes to dattebayo. Many fans use dattebayo, as opposed to believe it. This is because dattebayo has no literal translation. -Dubtiger, 6:26pm EST


 * Believe It! should stay the text because that is what is used in the english form, and we are the english Narutopedia. But instead of that, we should move the current Dattebayo article to Dattebayo and Believe It!, and create a redirect to there from Believe It, Believe It!, Believe it, and Believe it! to that page to. And the text in the quote can have the link characters and  placed arround them. Dantman (Talk) 10:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Took a few minutes to decipher that... Hmm... Well, the current Dattebayo article is ok the way it is right now. I see it as really straight-forward... -Dubtiger, 10:27pm EST, Feb. 14

Names
Hey, this is Dubtiger. I would like to know whether we're going with the western format of names (ex. Naruto Uzumaki), or with the traditional text (ex. Uzumaki Naruto). For some reason, some people cannot understand why family names came first in the traditional translations (both original anime and Viz media translations go by last, then first names).

Why does family names come first in Japanese culture? It's a form of respect. It's like "this is my family, you can NOT insult it."

Why do we go by first then last names in the North American anime? I have no idea, actually...

-Dubtigetr 6:28, 5 February 2007 (EST)

Because that it oringiated in Japan I would like to keep the last name first. If you don't mind. The reason that it comes first in Asian cultures is because your family is higher then you. It drives me nuts sometimes in English versions when they change it. I call it 'diluting'. -LoneWolf 5


 * The wiki is english which is something to consider. It might cause some readers to start to become confused on what a character's full name is if we use a format of name different than what they are used to reading. But we do have redirects remember. We could call it Naruto Uzumaki and have a redirect pointing to it from Uzumaki Naruto. I have a feeling the reason for the family name being last in English comes from the thought that the names differ more in the family so the individual name is used more than the Family so you aren't calling multiple people by the same name. Dantman (Talk) 03:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC


 * Dantman, I get EXTREMELY ANNOYED (I mean super-duper, you can't believe it annoyed) when people use the first-last name format for Naruto characters. I saw some that are mixed between first-last, and traditional last-first, which is why I asked. Even if it's something like Nara Shikamaru, you still call him Shikamaru. It's all the "honor stuff." -Dubtiger, 6:29pm EST


 * Naruto Uzumaki is proper english, うずまきナルト is japanese, Uzumaki Naruto is a literal translation of the japanese name without changing to English Conventions. They are all correct, and using the format Proper English (Japanese, Japanese Translation) or Naruto Uzumaki (うずまきナルト, Uzumaki Naruto) and then using the English form as the title, and creating a redirect from the japanese, japanese translations, and the nicknames to the article is a generaly accepted standard on wikipedia and most of the anime wiki on wikia. It seems that to fit in with the general standard this would be the best thing to adopt. Do remember that we are not a lone wiki, this wiki is becoming part of a larger group of wikia (The Wikia Anime Project) and because we are the English Narutopedia we will be linked to by the English Anime Wiki using English conventions. That means that the link as it will be used under the linking system which is being built for the anime wikia (Anime:Naruto:Naruto Uzumaki) will soon be directing to Naruto Uzumaki, so we're not selfishly considering only ourself, with a little more standards and quality Wikipedia will be putting us in their Extended Information section of the External links in their Naruto article. Dantman (Talk) 10:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * What if we take a poll of all of the users and see what tbey think?

-LoneWolf 5


 * That might half to wait till I get forums setup. And you half to consider false votes, and the fact that us 3 are just about the only editors here. And The Gaiapedia was more active than here and at times I could only get something like 6 or 9 votes on a poll. Which dosen't say much good about the level of accurate readings here. You do half to admit though, using that standard makes this wiki the odd one out.
 * Here we go, now I got the words right and found a better example. Choji Akimichi is a translated english name. 秋道チョウジ is his name in japanese. And Akimichi Chōji is the romanization of his japanese name. Because it's a romanization Akimichi Choji is incorrect because it removes the romanized signs in the name. Romanized names are not actualy english, romanization (taken from the latin alphabet) is basicly japanese written in a format which can be inputed easier into a computer. Because Akimichi Choji as english is false, and Akimichi Chōji as a romanization is japanese not english, which would lead to poor english writing by attempting to speak japanese and english at the same time the use of Akimichi Chōji and Akimichi Choji is not correct english.
 * English is a Western Language, which is why the english translations of names use the western order (given name, family name). Adversly, Japanese is a Eastern Language and Romanization is Japanese, which is why romanization uses the Eastern Order (family name, given name).
 * The reason you see the Eastern Order used in Fansubs and Fansites is because the job of a fangroup is not to translate but to make it so that the show/manga can be read by english speakers, Fansubs only translate half way, which is why you see japanese words such as Onee-chan, and Obasan used in subs. Fangroups also don't higher professional translators who translate things into proper english.
 * The last thing to note, is that the Narutopedia is not a fansite, it is an Encyclopedia, moreover, an English Encyclopedia and encyclopedias use properly translated text, not semi-translated text.
 * Concluding this, The diference in examples is that when you say Naruto Uzumaki you are using proper english. But saying Uzumaki Naruto you are actualy using a Japanese romanization. Unfortunately the reason it's hard to realize that you are not actualy speaking english is because unlike Akimichi Chōji, Uzumaki Naruto has no special signs which differ from the standard 26 English letters. Dantman (Talk) 01:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ack, I was going to go to bed 3 hours ago, but I spent to much time on this and little things I was going to to. 02:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers
I was wondering, how far should we go with spoilers? And should we make a little thing that says, 'This article contains spoilers'?


 * Erm.. Whoever wrote this: I think it's a requirement to warn people about spoilers. So yes. For how far? As far as you want, as long as there's a warning called "Spoilers begin here" or something, even though some people read spoilers when they're not that far (like me ><). -Dubtiger, 6:31pm EST.


 * I'll copy my advanced spoiler template from en.anime to here and put up some info on spoilers. Use to start a spoiler section, and  to end a spoiler section. It'll start displaying correctly when I copy the template. Dantman (Talk) 10:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Spelling and clean up
I looked on a single page (Nara Shikamaru), and it is RIDDLED with side-tracking (such as explaining details that do not fit the section), a lack of links to characters (I did like 10 linkings before I gave up on it), and spelling...

Spelling: Some people put stuff like Kankuro, like what they looked like originally. That's understandable. But what is missing is the accent line, in this case, over the "o." To put the accent to the word, you put a "u" after the letter that should be accented, in this case "Kankurou." I am constantly bothered by this lack of information that people put when they are putting in info.

Also, I recognize ENTIRE PASSAGES that came from Wikipedia. THIS IS CALLED PLAGIARISM! Anyone who plagiarizes are taking others work without giving credit to the original source. -Dubtiger, 6:57pm EST


 * Wikipedia and the Narutopedia are licensed under the GFDL. Place a section at the bottom of that article called sources and give it an external link to the wikipedia article and it will be fine. In the cases of the accented words, the words should use the accents in the body, and the title of the article should use them to. But it is also required to make a redirect from the non accented words to the accented one. Currently we don't have a charinsert box, which makes it understandable as to why this is occuring, once I have my sysop status I will copy over the box and place it where it needs to go. Dantman (Talk) 10:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I was planing on doing something like that but I thought that it would be too troblesome so I created a Billography. We could delete that and create a section for the Billography.

-LoneWolf 5
 * I suggest we set up an accented letter chart like on Wikipedia or we go with the stuff such as "Kankurou."
 * Wikia has recently setup the Charinsert box. If you go to the Central Wikia and edit a page, you'll notice a small box with inserts. The system is made so the box can be setup by placing what should go there in a page in the MediaWiki namespace. The charinsert box on Wikipedia has accented characters as part of the Charinsert box. What you didn't understand of what I said, is that I'm going to copy the charinsert box which has the accented characters over to here from wikipedia, when I have my sysop status. Got it? Dantman (Talk) 09:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)