Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-31966672-20200409171208/@comment-4961229-20200414153012

LegionZero wrote: You are missing the point. The Byakugan isnt necessary to cold read. Its not a Byakugan ability or a Byakugan-derived ability or a Byakugan-dependant ability.

Cold reading would make all the sense to learn in ninja school, but if it wasnt learned there, there are many ways to learn to do things outside of a classroom. Naruto didnt learn most of his techniques or strategies in the academy.

The Byakugan is an information gathering tool but simply having it doesnt give one cold reading abilities

Depends Speed is also the hindering factor in Chidori, not the fact that it is a jab. Minato attributed the speed caused the tunnel vision. Lee was explaining how he would never head full speed in a straight line at the enemy because it was easy to dodge/counter and he cant it coming. No. You're missing the point. If a character says, this is how I did something, then that's how he did whatever he's talking about. If Raikage says, Raiton armor is how I run fast. It would be ridiculous for me to keep saying Raiton armor isn't the only way to run fast and I'm sure they teach running fast in ninja school or elsewhere. None of that means anything. The character has already spoken, so it doesn't matter that you can run fast with Sage Mode, Chakra Mode, 8-gates, etc. THAT'S what the character said. THAT'S what we have to go by.

Neji himself tells us that he's gathered all this information PREVIOUSLY with the Byakugan: https://i.imgur.com/XKVu8yX.png I have no reason to doubt this character that that's how he gathered his information. Show me the class where Iruka is teaching ninja candidates cold reading? Post the pics where they're learning it elsewhere? You can't. It doesn't exist anywhere in Naruto.

I never said you automatically gain cold reading from Byakugan. You don't even learn all of the gentle fist techniques even if you have the Byakugan. Neji is a prodigy at gentle fist. He is also a prodigy at the Byakugan. And as a prodigy, he taught himself cold reading using the Byakugan.

Rock Lee specifically states that he doesn't have the eye to respond to that counter: https://i.imgur.com/eq1kiVU.png That's exactly what Minato was talking about. Sasuke is seen responding to Gaara's counter by ducking between the sand spikes with 2 tomoe Sharingan in the context of Rock Lee's statement.

There's no way around this. Chidori was completed with 2 tomoe Sharingan. That's a fact. Byakugan is more than a match for 2 tomoe Sharingan. Only 3 tomoe is the better jutsu. Its precog is useful for dealing with opponents much faster. And despite its precog abilities that never stops being a problem. Raikage, Kirabi's swordplay, Itachi's hand speed all outstrip 3 tomoe Sharingan, so you need stronger and stronger doujutsu to deal with them. Byakugan has the Tenseigan that can deal with Naruto's chakra modes. Ravenlot 27 wrote: I meant it as a benefit since Rasengan's lack of speed factor doesn't produce tunnel vision, as in case with Chidori, so you don't need any supplementary methods like a Sharingan to cover that weakness. That's the main difference between Rasengan and Chidori.

While it's true that Chidori can be used without applying speed and by catching someone off guard, it was still created based on this aspect. You have a better chance to catch off guard if you move faster, right? Take the example of Boruto's recent fight against Boro, only Sarada's Chidori was fast enough to destory Boro's core before he had the chance to react and hide it. Rasengan cannot do that, and as far as I remember, in the anime Jiraya even pointed out that your opponent isn't gonna wait to be hit by Rasengan if he sees the attack coming. Dafuq?!?

ANY high speed movement will produce tunnel vision and require something like a doujutsu or threat perception to counter the counter. Why would you think running with Chidori and Chidori alone produces tunnel vision? Why would you think that you somehow are prohibited from moving at high speed with Rasengan, instead of Chidori, and therefore not in need of the same perceptual ability?

Rock Lee describes why he would never run full tilt toward an opponent at high speed. He says he doesn't have the eye to respond to the counter. Rock Lee has neither Chidori nor Rasengan, yet he's worried about the exact same thing that Minato described was wrong with Chidori. That means this is a common problem, not merely one associated just with Chidori.

We saw Naruto specifically reproduce this same effect in Sage Mode and respond to Raikage's attack. Raikage didn't have a doujutsu and couldn't respond Naruto's counter, because Raikage had tunnel vision. We saw Obito attempt to counter Minato and FAIL to respond to Minato's counter (maybe if he'd had a Byakugan in his left eye under that mask he might not have taken that ass whooping).

We also saw Naruto use Six Paths Sage Mode threat perception to respond to Madara's Limbo counter. It is always necessary at the higher levels to be able to respond to counters when fighting at high speed. When you get to the Juubi Jinchuuriki level, almost everything you do is at high speed.

Rasengan CAN indeed do that. It did it to Pain. It did it to Obito. It did it to Raikage. There is absolutely no reason you can't use Rasengan AND move really, really fast with Rasengan. Sage Mode Naruto could've easily done this to Boro's core: https://imgur.com/z7Egopg