Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-2245550-20160522071949/@comment-27916438-20160523030306

just by the fact that only hiruzen and hashirama are the only shinobis that ever recevied the god of shinobi epithet ,is pretty obivious he was wayyyyyy above any regular shinobi ,What most people disagree is that Hiruzen was above Hashirama or madara since the later have hype and feat to prove his reputation ,we never saw prime hiruzen and never saw him take down a lendary shinobi like Hashirama did,kishimoto could at least mention that he defeated someone badass in the past like echiro oda did with withebeard in One piece for example.the problem with Hiruzen is that we don't have Idea how he would defeat most of his opponents.