User talk:ZéroFusion0

RE: Boruto's Byakugan
Sorry, this was the talk page I was referring to. The point that was made in that talk page was that Isshiki is dead. His mind, body, and soul are diminished. Therefore his "direct" power cannot be channeled through Kawaki. Amado added a new Kāma, which has the powers of Isshiki without needing Isshiki. Therefore, it's used by Kawaki at will and is fully his. In Boruto's instance, the Byakugan is only activated when Momoshiki is summoned or channeled through Boruto. Isshiki is fully dead, while Momoshiki's spirit remains intact and is not extinguished to the same degree as Isshiki. If you refer to chapter 67, Momoshiki uses himself to reconstruct parts of Boruto's destroyed body, otherwise Momoshiki would be fully dead. Also, Boruto never awakened the Byakugan by his own means, which is why it can't be his. It's Momoshiki's Byakugan because it only activates when the Kāma is at full power. There's a clear difference to why Kawaki can have Isshiki's dōjutsu listed and Boruto not have Byakugan listed. The point to make is that Isshiki is destroyed and Kawaki was given an artificial Kāma, whereas Momoshiki still remains and his power can be tapped by the real Kāma (while he is active). -Ventillate { 👤 | 💬 | 🔧 } 14:22, 19 March 2022 (UTC)


 * It's Isshiki's power without Isshiki. Kawaki's in full control with zero worry of Kāma extraction or possession— so it's logical for Kawaki to have that listed. You mentioned that Momoshiki's soul has no influence on his powers, but Boruto utilizing the Kāma is proof of this. When Boruto's chakra level fall bad, Momoshiki actually fully possesses him until Boruto's chakra is somewhat replenished. The power and experience mean nothing if it's not yours. Boruto can wield Momoshiki's power decently— fine, but when Momoshiki is channeled through Boruto, you see the Byakugan being used. Boruto is not willingly activating it. It's a perk that comes when Momoshiki's soul is being channeled through Boruto using the Kāma. I can't see your logic making any headway unless Boruto can utilize and activate himself without Momoshiki ever being there. Also if you want to add on to this, feel free to add it on a relevant talk page for others to join in if you think more opinion is needed. Also please make sure that you're signing the end of your post(s) with 4 tildes " ~ ". It makes it hard for everyone to identify users if it's not there. -Ventillate { 👤 | 💬 | 🔧 } 14:50, 19 March 2022 (UTC)


 * When I say that Momoshiki's soul has no influence on boruto's powers, it means that it does not add any additional ones, that is to say that the only fundamental difference between boruto is Kawaki and that the one is possessed but not the other. In addition, Momoshiki's soul is not channeled, it's an error if it is written because by using Karma it's the genetic data inside Boruto's body that are used (powers, experiences in battle of the otsutsuki) no matter who controls the body. Which means that the Byakugan has nothing to do with momoshiki's soul and will always be present when Boruto or Momoshiki uses the "true essence of karma" i.e. the form of karma that appears from the end of chapter 63 or the form with the horn. Also though not confirmed by proof, Boruto claims himself that he no longer needs amado's medicine to be able to restrain Momoshiki and use his powers freely. (chapter 68)

ZéroFusion0 (talk) 15:12, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Re: Manifestation (Kama)
You're pulling something from nothing. At the moment of proper resurrection, it's not an just emergence, it's a full blown reincarnation takeover. It feels like you're ignoring the "to this degree", meaning that at the stage Boruto's Kama was, other lesser degrees of manifestation might be expected, and the circumstances where that was possible, such as chakra exhaustion, are explained. You also pointlessly removed the parts about manifesting Otsutsuki body parts, which are still manifestations nonetheless. Every time Momoshiki manifested through Boruto, there was also body manifestation. Isshiki's mention of nap just means he won't be truly alive for a while. Momoshiki isn't truly alive either, but he's definitely been active because of Kama, he's sleepwalks so to speak. As explained by Amado, one of the main features of Kama is the avoidance of creating duplicate beings. Momoshiki gets to manifest and take over Boruto before a full resurrection because there's no other Momoshiki. However, Isshiki was still alive inside Jigen despite having a fully decompressed Kama in Jigen, and a partially decompressed Kama in Kawaki. After true death, he was even able to manifest his soul with Code's defective, improper White Kama. The only things so far that are verifiably unusual with Boruto's Kama experience have always been outside factors, like resonance with Kawaki's, Amado's drugs, and Momoshiki having to change the data. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 05:41, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Re: Byakugan (chapter 75 boruto)
Sound effect does suggest Byakugan, and it probably is. However, we haven't seen an unambiguous depiction of the Jogan in the manga since the first chapter means we can't reliably tell it apart from the Byakugan in the manga, regardless of how the anime shows them apart. Even if it is the Byakugan (and I agree that it is), and while Momoshiki did mention seeing Boruto's fate with his, the fact remains that when Boruto had the vision, it was during an exchange of thoughts with Momoshiki, meaning there's still Momoshiki involvement when it shows up, and this is also new territory because the rules of how they work post Kama resurrection are unclear, Momoshiki explicitly still unsure of them, saying their communication was happening against either of their wishes. You're still making the same mistake of trying to force the issue through despite the ambiguity and lack of clarity around how it works. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:59, 27 November 2022 (UTC)