Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-29332822-20170115075952/@comment-9782468-20170119010631

@Lorenzo, the discussion already came back to the topic at hand but you just brought up the Madara and Night Guy thing up again.

Madara didn't counter Guy because he couldn't. Otherwise he would have. We know this because he made it explicitly clear that he didn't want to get hit by any of his attacks, but got hit anyways. You keep claiming that we don't know and that it's all opinion, but the piece of information we do have is that Madara did not dodge the attacks. Now, going by storyline, it stands to reason that he would have dodged if he could have. But you claim he only didn't dodge the attack because of plot, even though it fits within the narrative of the story that he wasn't fast enough. There's evidence shown that seeing an attack coming doesn't mean you can dodge it. There's evidence that Madara wasn't faster than any Evening Elephant step except the 1st (the other steps keep getting faster). There is no evidence that Madara was actually faster than Guy but didn't move out of the way (which would fit your idea of it only being plot). I don't know why you insist on it.

In general though, you really gotta stop taking my arguments and making it look like I'm witch-hunting you. I'm not. You said it was plot. But as soon I say it wasn't, you act like I'm attacking you. Chill, it's just a debate.

So, @AsianFishTacos never specified beyond "prime forms." So I guess that means we're pretty much all agreeing that Naruto and Madara wins?