Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33068632-20180401065752/@comment-7292165-20180419232151

@LoneNinja

1. Please remember that Himiwari caught Naruto off guard so please don't make a big deal about it.

2. Lets be clear. To be jonin, I am not saying that at the time Naruto and Sasuke should be jonin, but they have prowess comparable to that of jonin. I mean do you believe even with the enhancements that there abilities are still genin level because of rank?

3. I'm not downplaying Kakashi. You bring up his battle against Zabuza and Itachi as if didn't rely on the Sharingan.

4. Don't make me laugh. You know that's not what I mean. More feats doesn't mean your better than those who have less. Quality or quantity fits this case. I never denied that statements aren't as reliable as feats.

5. The difference is that you try to use statements to overpower plan out feats for some reason as if the manga is just there for Kishi to state things and not show things.

6. It's still growth, even if he increased the amount of times he can use Lightning Cutter by 2. You seem to forget that Kakashi could perform the Kamui much more than he did in beginning of Part II. He also displayed more techniques as well.

This is exactly why I can't debate with you. Despite all the information we throw at you, you don't want to listen and is too stuck on he said this and because he didn't say this, means it's not true despite the manga showing it. Like I said believe what you want. Manga is the primary source and statements is not all it cracks up to be. Feats are, not matter if they contradict other feats or not. Writers are allowed to make mistakes.