Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150518115443/@comment-142748-20150616190436

GreatestSin wrote: this was oro at his lowest, in his most weakened state he was able to survive 4-tail without any great difficulty... imahine him at max :D No, his weakest was his battle with Sasuke. Orochimaru was relatively in good health against KN4. He just couldn't do a damn thing against him. Jiraiya was able to beat KN4 without bloodlust and without Sage Mode, something far more impressive than what Orochimaru did. itachi said this, as far as i remember kisame didnt, hence, not the whole akatsuki... Kisame said Jiraiya was on a whole other level than himself. And Itachi said reinforcements wouldn't change that outcome. there had been times where jiraya was stronger, true, but if they fight right now than i would bet on oro... Unless Orochimaru has perfected Sage Mode, I don't see him winning.