Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-44455926-20191119200613/@comment-9782468-20191121010116

@LoliSlayer

Jiraiya never collects Nature Energy while moving. Ma and Pa collect it for him while he balances it with his own energy.

Jiraiya also used summons, idk why you think Naruto using summons is a detriment to him.

Naruto with his summons and 3 Sage Modes were enough to beat 5 pains

Jiraiya with his summons and infinite Sage Mode was only enough for 3. Because his Sage Mode is just not as good as Naruto's.

Frog Kata uses SM sensing, which Jiraiya doesn't have.

Naruto didn't magically rush the Animal Path. He just oneshot it because he was much faster and stronger.

The Deva Path point would be more valid if Jiraiya even fought the Deva Path, but he didn't. So the fact that Naruto didn't at first isn't really a point for Jiraiya. Also, while Shinra Tensei requires a lot of chakra, Nagato wasn't running low on chakra because of it. If he was low on chakra, he wouldn't be able to use Chibaku Tensei and he certainly wouldn't be able to resurrect everyone he killed.

Naruto had his three jutsu but considering he's used these three jutsu to wipe out everyone he's come across I don't think it matters. Minato got by with only like 2 ninjutsu and a few sealing jutsu, and he had run on sight orders during the war.

Yes, maybe Naruto would go down with only one Sage Mode, but he only had 5 minutes per Sage Mode at the time. So basically, he'd do almost as well in 5 minutes as Jiraiya did during his whole fight. And Jiraiya never even fought more than 4 Pains. He beat 3 and then immediately got his arm ripped off by number 4.

No, Jiraiya would not have faired better. He struggled more against 3 Pains than Naruto did against 5. And Jiraiya never really even faced the 1st or 2nd strongest Pain. Naruto took out the 2nd strongest fast and immediately fought 4 more until the Deva's cooldown ended.

Kakashi cut lightning in half, but we don't know when. And considering his speed had to be on par with weightless Lee to even use Chidori (based on how he trained Sasuke to use it), I doubt it's a stretch to say he managed it.

It was only ever said that Jiraiya could stalemate Itachi and Kisame, not take them with ease.

We've never seen Hiruzen in his prime.

When was it said 4th Raikage was faster than light?

Naruto fought a stronger Pain than Jiraiya did. And showed feats Jiraiya never did, like sensing.

He surpassed Jiraiya in Sage Mode, an extremely difficult thing to master, showing his progress. But of course Jiraiya has experience on him, their actual abilities as combatants may be closer than the gap in their actual physical and ninjutsu prowess.