Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34656247-20181008062436/@comment-34194151-20181012220738

@LegionZero

1) you keep claiming that the pains can react to the blade when I proved they can't. Debunked. why is it so hard to understand that the preta path can't absorb the blade because he can't react. You are even now claiming the totsuka blade is instant, which is interesting because even I haven't gone that far. All i said is that it's faster than orochimaru's and nagato's reaction time. It's definitely crazy fast but not instant. one second are probably slightly less than a second is all itachi needs. You also made a few things up. Itachi blitzed orochimaru and yet the blade was already out of the gourd. Nothing suggests the blade's swings are slower than it's thrust either, except for maybe the thrusting speed is faster because the blade seems to be able expand it's length.

The summons aren't misdirecting his attention, because the second animal path releases the summons, they charge, and then animal path is getting blitzed and sealed, along with the 2-3 pains standing directly behind it. why is it so hard to understand that nagato has his half of his pains stand one behind the other? read the manga plz. he uses a T- formation, 3 pains across, 3 pains vertically. 3 of his pains are dead at the start of the fight, because 3 pains stand one behind the other. Itachi is smart enough to launch the blade at those 3 pains first. they are dead, period. Ashura path fires lasers and missles at susano'o? great, yata mirror blocks, now the pains can't see the blade coming at all now due to the smokescreens those create. Itachi has an easier time creating his bunshin feint because of those smokescreens too. you literally aren't giving nagato any chance to win here.

2) kakashi threw a smoke bomb at pain. chapter 423 pg 4. Read the manga smh.

3) Lol no, you literally ignored black zetsu's point on chapter 391 pg 6 that it reaches the ground in 1/1000th of a second and that is why it's unevadeable, that's a clear concession for me. natural lightning moves that fast. Kakazu's technique isn't natural lightning nor was it ever stated to be as fast as normal lightning. even if what you said is true regarding sasuke giving the lightning bolt more power and area of effect, which is probably the case,  Kirin's speed is the same as natural lightning. nothing says that the area of effect was unavoidable, the problem was the speed. the proof is that sasuke and zetsu weren't hit directly by the lightning bolt, only itachi was.

4) Nope, my explanation is actually less convoluted than yours. naruto chapter 141 15-16 kakashi clearly made two shadow clones. his original was STANDING ON THE WATER watching itachi the SECOND itachi moved on to the water, saying "this is the end for you". The panel before that shows asuma clearly watching kurenai as well as she was kicked, kisame even scolds asuma for not paying attention, so you literally made up the fact that asuma wasn't looking at kurenai and itachi. there is literally no time for itachi to have made the clone. and if he did, all your proving is his apparent ridiculous speed. kishimoto can't even show the guy's clone formations on panel. Your explanation basically says he got underwater without anyone noticing when we can see that that is physically impossible with all the eyes watching him. Whereas my explanation actually is based on already shown feats. naruto spawning clones behind zabuza. kakashi swapping places with a naruto clone during their first bell test.

5) LOL! kabuto dodged itachi? give me a break. he clearly got his horn cut off multiple times. Itachi was setting up izanami, and used the horn cutting as the physical sensation. Jeez, that was like one of the most important parts of itachi and sasuke's victory over kabuto, and you missed that. if itachi was bloodlusted, replace sasuke's sword with the totsuka blade and kabuto is dead. how is this even a debate? Itachi has shown twice he can get his clones or his real self behind his opponents. you literally are speculating around at this point and even denying clear on panel feats because you can't deny the fact that whether or not it was a feat of speed or skill, itachi accomplished the feat, and kabuto is a master sensor due to being a perfect sage. itachi is getting behind the naraka path, unless you have a better rebuttal than this. Kabuto got tagged, period. IT's shown on panel. Idk what to tell you if you still can't see that. If itachi can cut off his horn with a sword that he can put that same sword through kabuto's skull. I guess you also missed the part where itachi said that they cannot kill kabuto because they needed to end the edo tensei... And lol, itachi was standing next to sasuke the whole time when itachi first used the crow feint. They were talking to each other strategizing. absolutely no evidence he moved. Then yet sasuke tells him kabuto is grabbing the sword. When did itachi move and create a clone? Sage mode kabuto is also watching both sasuke and itachi yet he didn't see it. It's a clear as day speed feat and or skill feat that he was able to feint kabuto and get behind him, and snipe his horn off in that short amount of time, doesn't matter if it was a clone or subsitution to be honest. he is clearly fast either way you put it, so this whole part two itachi being slow/ having no speed feats or whatever it is you claimed is debunked. they also clearly told us in the canon that edo tensei makes you slightly weaker when madara was revived by rinne rebirth. While itachi's sickness was healed, that is offset by edo tensei lowering his stats a bit. He is objectively quick and to the point.

6) lol also no. a 30 percent clone of itachi created by nagato was fighting granny chiyo, sakura, kakashi, and naruto in part two. itachi was not in the least impressed by this purportedly faster kakashi. Itachi wasn't even taking that fight too seriously, as he smiled when naruto hit him with the rasengan.

I suggest you rewatch naruto vs pain. the animal summons clearly poofed once animal path died. Have you ever swam underwater? If you had you would know that you can look up under water and see what's going on above you.