Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-37265641-20181022021850/@comment-35409024-20181130105814

CombatIQmatters wrote: @JamesSenpai Wow lots of concessions in your post there, and I'll be addressing each one.

Que? What exactly did I admit is true? I haven't agreed with you except for it being able to grow and shrink, and change it's natures, and I haven't denied those which means I can't concede unless I agree to something I've denied? Unless you are conceding or one of those kids that use words without knowing what it means, I have no idea what you are on about.

1) Complete bias. I said in my own post that for certain, itachi's main weakness is his stamina, so I accept your concession. the invinicbility only lasts if he has the stamina to hold the blade and mirror up, use common sense. He has shit stamina and a terminal illness. That's what ignoring key points does, you can't even see when you are repeating the same things I've already said.

You make zero sense. Do you understand the English Language, you can't say someone is invincible but also say they have a weakness. You aren't invincible if you can lose. Come now, brain. I know you can do it. Use common sense.

2) I accept your concession here as well, because it's clear that he can only wield the yata mirror and totsuka blade with his complete body susano'o, he has never shown the ability to wield it without his susano'o. Why that's the case is a question for itachi and the writer. I also accept your concession again, because the invincibility is only in play with yata and totsuka blade up. And you don't know whether or not the yata mirror and totsuka blade have their own chakra costs to be wielded, so you just made a baseless assumption. The yata mirror is a SHIELD, what are you talking about? the shield would simply protect him from chibaku tensei, it doesn't advance his gamestate in any way. He used bee and naruto's firepower to destroy the core because he doesn't know how powerful it is, then he used it as a smokescreen to attack nagato, it's like you didn't even pay attention. You clearly didn't pay attention to the kabuto fight either. We see itachi regularly deactivating his susano'o seemingly because of the izanami prep time, so that's enough proof that he couldn't susano'o continously in that fight while preparing izanami.

Where is it said that it can only be wielded by a Susano'o? Isn't Totsuka and Yata ethereal (not Chakra) items, not Susano'o abilities? So outta here with that hyperbole made up goop. Where is it said that these Ethereal items cost Chakra as well? Do you make everything you say up, or do you actually follow the series and have any proof? That run down though on why he didn't use Yata with Bee and Naruto xD. Horrible explanation. He didn't use it because he didn't know how powerful it is? Gee, that makes so much sense (sarcasm). You said it blocks all attacks and protects him on it's own, so why does how powerful it is, matter? Why didn't it block Chibaku to begin with? I paid attention to Kabuto's fight just fine, thanks. Itachi could of formed the conditions with Susano'o just fine. He's a smart cookie and I know he can mind fuck Kabuto. He could also wield the mirror without Susano'o because it is an ethereal item. Just in case you didn't know kiddo, ethereal doesn't mean Chakra which the Susano'o is made of.

I accept your concession, the author said he is invincible while wielding yata mirror and totsuka blade through black zetsu, then there is a stated mechanic for the mirror's defensive capability, and the totsuka blade is a one shot sword of sealing shown to be extradorinally fast. Nagato literally only needs a mental reaction to use preta path and shinra tensei, two techniques that can counter the blade as far as kabuto is concerned, and yet nagato couldn't react. Orochimaru couldn't react to the blade either. The weapons clearly are incredibly op by themselves, and especially in the hands of someone as smart as itachi.

The author also said Kirin can't be evaded through Zetsu, so what's your point? That was shown to be wrong. I remember Itachi avoiding Kirin by using Susano'o, which means he evaded it. Zetsu has lied and been wrong nonestop through the series. His wiki page is full of goopy claims he's made. Sorry if I don't take the word of someone who is more wrong than right. He is as credible as false persona Itachi and false persona Madara (Obito). You need to learn how to take something said with a grain of salt when it comes from someone who is consistently wrong or speaking out of his ass with goop. Shit, is Hiruzen the greatest Hokage too?

4) Completely and utterly biased. Databook 3 states that the shield turns back any attack whether spiritual or physical. So yes it does move on it's own if that's what necessary to reflect the attack, smh. It isn't a fan made power, you just refuse to acknowledge what was stated and shown about it's abilities. It was clearly shown expanding in size to deflect hydra snakes and to protect itachi from paper bombs in Chapter 393 pg 8 and Chapter 392 pg 10, so I accept your concession. You made the request for proof that it can reflect an attack that comes from inside, when it's already stated to reflect all attacks. Doesn't say it can't reflect attacks coming from inside his susano'o. So you have been debunked. You have to prove that it can't reflect a certain kind of attack, when the shield is stated to reflect all attacks, full stop. I don't know what databook you have been reading but it clearly says : "incorporeal shield of the "Sacred Treasures". Endowed with all "nature transformations," it can change its own characteristics depending on the characteristics of the attack it receives, making the technique ineffective." It changes it's characteristics, not just the elements, proven by the fact we clearly saw it change size in the manga in response to an attack it recieved. The proof that the shield doesn't just cover the front is that it clearly expanded to the side of the susano'o when an attack was thrown there, period. Nothing says that the shield can't adapt to an attack coming from inside. If you think it can't, that's on you, but you have no evidence to support that claim.

Nani??????? I'm biased because I don't believe Itachi is omnipotent like you? Well, if that's me being biased, I'll accept that proudly. As for Yata, that isn't proof it moves on it's own accord. Growing and changing it's properties isn't movement. Just because it can repel all attacks doesn't mean it moves on it's own either. That's just how you want it to be. I take it as it repels any attack it makes contact with and that's been shown where as your goop hasn't. Your evidence comes from a dude who is more wrong than right, and a Databook that states Amaterasu cannot be escaped by any jutsu -cough- Obito and 4th Rai -cough-. It also says that Chidori Kusangi can pierce through anything -cough- Yata???? Susano'o?????? -cough-. You need to learn the difference between hyperbole and facts.