Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36366948-20200728052438/@comment-24824859-20200813201639

BloodOfTheArchon wrote: A isn't as smart as Hiruzen. Also you have no idea what else Hiruzen deduced about the TSB's after the first scuffle with TTJ Obito, his upper half was blown away for awhile so he didn't fight the TTJ's any further. You think that because Minato deduced those things that Hiruzen can't or didn't but that's simply an assumption on your end. Minato's only factors against Hiruzen here are FTG and bodily speed. Hiruzen already knows what Minato is capable of. Also considering Tobirama was an FTG user and is super fast himself and he didn't say a peep to contest Hiruzen when Hiruzen said he himself was the strongest between them all goes to show that you are understimating Hiruzen. Hiruzen comes up with counters for everything, FTG will not be an exception. Minato's best chance is to hope he can end the fight ASAP before Hiruzen begins counter measures for FTG, and again he knows how FTG works and he saw Minato fight the Kyuubi to the end so he knows what Minato can and can't do. A still came up with a counter against FTG, so that's a moot point. Along with the supposed time limit, that's all he deduced. It seems that you excel at attacking straw man arguments because I never said that Hiruzen wouldn't have come to the same conclusions Minato had, it's just that he simply didn't. Minato deduced more about the TSBs and immediately came up with a plan which suggests that he's just as smart, if not, smarter than Hiruzen. Minato also has the Rasengan, Sage Mode, and a boss summon under his belt.

When did Hiruzen say call himself the strongest between him and Tobirama? Though it doesn't really matter, since Minato is the faster and better FTG user between him and Tobirama, per the second Hokage's words.

Hiruzen comes up counters for everything? Really? Was him being completely helpless against Kurama's TBB a counter? Or was getting dusted by Juubito's TSB a counter?

Like I said before, having a counter doesn't mean a thing if you don't have the capacity to execute it. Also, you are under the assumption that Hiruzen will predict every move that Minato will make, that Minato doesn't know a thing about the way Hiruzen fights, and that Minato won't simply change tactics or adapt.