User talk:Seelentau

Re:Chapter 57
I meant should it be written "１０" or simply "10"?--LeafShinobi (talk) 00:09, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Eight Trigrams Palms Great Resolving Heaven
From all techniques you had written down from Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 2 this is the only one which hasn't an article. Do you think that's the same that Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven Absolute?--LeafShinobi (talk) 20:15, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I cannot be sure but think their names are different. Another thing: I think Hiashi is listed as user of Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven Absolute because of his Resolving Heaven in Ultimate Ninja 2 and 3. As what he says isn't "Eight Trigrams Palms Great Resolving Heaven" I think he shouldn't he be listed as a user of either Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven Absolute or Eight Trigrams Palms Great Resolving Heaven. What do you think?--LeafShinobi (talk) 20:30, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * You has it in your archive, it's Hinata's ougi.--LeafShinobi (talk) 20:37, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, as far as I know he says the same thing in UN3. Anyway, thanks.--LeafShinobi (talk) 21:02, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I already did it.--LeafShinobi (talk) 21:21, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Another user page
Thank you :) VolteMetalic (talk) 14:06, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Itachi and the Mangekyō
In chapter 224, on page 19, Itachi says to Sasuke:

I don't recall him saying anything else about this, but if I'm wrong, please tell me so I can translate that as well. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:18, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing definite is said, any way. In chapter 386, on page 6, Itachi says:
 * And on page 18 of chapter 398, Madara says:
 * It does seem to imply he killed his friend to obtain the Mangekyō Sharingan, but as I said before, it's in no way definite. —ShounenSuki (talk 22:35, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * It does seem to imply he killed his friend to obtain the Mangekyō Sharingan, but as I said before, it's in no way definite. —ShounenSuki (talk 22:35, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * It does seem to imply he killed his friend to obtain the Mangekyō Sharingan, but as I said before, it's in no way definite. —ShounenSuki (talk 22:35, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Different stuff
1. What Itachi said was rather ambiguous. There are two ways it could be interpreted: At this moment, it's too uncertain to say anything about this, but given how there has been zero mention of any new technique and there has been no special emphasis on this part, I'd say that Itachi meant the second option: the eternal Mangekyō Sharingan itself is a new dōjutsu.
 * 1) Itachi meant that the eternal Mangekyō Sharingan gave the wielder another dōjutsu like, for example, Amaterasu or Susanoo, or
 * 2) Itachi meant that the eternal Mangekyō Sharingan itself was a new dōjutsu.

2. She never lived in Kusagakure. At least, that's what I think. Sha no Sho says Karin lived in a, not a bigger like the hidden villages are. Not to mention the fact that Kusagakure still exists and was thus never as destroyed as the databook implies. The way the databook talks about this also implies that Karin was, in fact, very young when this happened. Younger than she was during the chūnin exams.

3. The databook says: The problem here is the verb 食らう, which can be translated as both 'to eat' and 'to receive [an attack]'. Above, I translated it as 'receive [his] wrath'. I don't think it actually means 'to eat', as in that meaning, the word is highly informal and not at all at place in the databook articles. I doubt Jūgo is known for eating humans.

—ShounenSuki (talk 17:20, August 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Are you aware that Orochimaru and the Sound Four do the same during that very chūnin exam?
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 17:58, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 17:58, August 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's rather obvious that the Rinnegan doesn't just grant abilities; they still need to be learnt and mastered, just like any and all other abilities shown in the Naruto world. Nothing comes for free. —ShounenSuki (talk 22:39, August 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, didn't see your other questions. Your translation of the song title was good. As for the herb names, could you perhaps point me to where those are named? —ShounenSuki (talk 22:43, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Favour
Hi Seelentau, can you transalte this: Chikage Rokujo into english?--White Flash  (talk )  03:46, August 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * This would be the kanji: 六条千景 --White Flash  [[Image:Hyūga Symbol.svg|link=Special:Contributions/White Flash|18px]] (talk ) 16:50, August 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks :)--White Flash  [[Image:Hyūga Symbol.svg|link=Special:Contributions/White Flash|18px]] (talk ) 20:42, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Kuchiyose: Aian Meiden
—ShounenSuki (talk 18:41, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Is there any reason to believe that technique should have kanji?
 * 2) If you give me a time index of where this technique is use din the episode, I could check it. At any rate, the kanji match those used on the Japanese Wikipedia, although they don't make a lot of sense to me, either.
 * 3) I don't know a lot about the novel, but I believe it was published for the series' tenth anniversary a few years ago. I don't know about the contents, but I do know it was written by the Taiwanese-born, Japanese author . He also wrote the novelisation of the latest Naruto film. He seems to have replaced  as the official Naruto novelist. I cannot really help you with those kanji unless you give me some context.


 * I'd first check if there is any reason to assume the technique has to have kanji. If there isn't, than screw the fact it has been given kanji in the article and simply name it '口寄せ・アイアン・メイデン'.
 * Meh, it'll be fine.
 * Ah, I see. Well then, the translations won't be perfect, as these kanji are highly specific and rather obscure at times, but:
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 20:01, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 20:01, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 20:01, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 20:01, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 20:01, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 20:01, August 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Man, I really shouldn't be doing any translation stuff when I know I can't get myself to concentrate well enough ><
 * 儵 = shuku or shū; 忽 = 'kotsu'. Just like 混 and 沌, 儵 and 忽 form a word together:.
 * As for the Rock Staff technique, your problem probably stems from the fact that it doesn't translate to 'rock staff'. If the kanji are correct, the best translation would probably be 'Rock Section Cane'.
 * I'll explain the furigana–kanji thing again at some other time, when I can actually guarantee you some quality. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:46, August 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, let's give it a shot.
 * When you have a situation of a (kanji) word with furigana, the word itself shows the meaning, while the furigana shows the pronunciation. For example, an author might have a character say 「あの男」 with furigana, but have the actual word be the name of the guy the character is referring to. This way the author can clear up any possible confusion without having to make the dialogue seem forced or anything.
 * How you should translate it is rather difficult, as it depends on the situation. In the situation above — taking Konohamaru as the name — you could translate it as 'that guy, Konohamaru'. With the names of techniques, this usually isn't the ideal solution, though. If possible, you could try and combine the meanings of the kanji and the furigana like this, but when it comes to the names of techniques, this will generally be quite difficult to pull off nicely. This is because, unlike the example above, these techniques don't use furigana to clarify or nuance the meaning, but to give the name a double meaning. You'll generally find that in most cases, simply using the intended pronunciation (the furigana) will serve best, as it does with Lariat and the like.
 * I hope this cleared things up for you. —ShounenSuki (talk 10:34, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * They use it because they can. It does leave us with a problem, as there are six different names to deal with:
 * The kanji name: 雷犂熱刀
 * The kanji name translation: Lightning Plough Hot Sword
 * The kanji name rōmaji: Rairi Nettō
 * The furigana name: ラリアット
 * The furigana name translation: Lariat
 * The furigana name rōmaji: Rariatto
 * Now, if you're still using the same as you did before, you should be naming your article 'Lariat'. Give '雷犂熱刀' as the Japanese name and 'Rariatto' as the rōmaji. Mention 'Lightning Plough Hot Sword' as the literal translation of the name and possible give 'Rairi Nettō' and 'ラリアット' in a trivia note or something. —ShounenSuki (talk 13:14, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Aoi~
押忍! The thing with aoi is a combination of history, poeticalness, and cultural differences.

Nowadays, the colours green and blue have different words for them: midori and ao. (I'm using rōmaji here, because they both have many different kanji.) In the past, however both colours were considered to be shades of the same colour. In fact, even nowadays they are often seen as the same colour, albeit mostly among the older generations.

That was the historical aspect, now comes the poetic aspect: As in English, the colour green in Japan is seem as a symbol for freshness, youth, and innocence. A young man is a 青年, fresh leaves are 青葉. Even after midori was introduced, these terms and phrases were kept as idioms. Hence why ao still can refer to green in certain cases. Ask a Japanese person and they'd likely say that both fresh leaves and the sky are ao.

Then we get to the cultural aspect. Not every culture categorises the colours in the exact same way. For Russians, light blue and dark blue are two different colours, rather than shades of the same colour. A similar problem arises in Japan. Their concept of blue is far broader than what English-speaking people would call blue. Japan's blue goes pretty deep into English green territory, even if the speakers of either language don't realise this.

Nowadays, you can get away with saying that ao merely means blue and midori is the right term for green, but this still doesn't hold true for all cases. Even without the above 'exceptions', there are still cases where ao refers to green, such as with traffic lights (which range from purely green to purely blue in Japan). Just ask your teacher if, considering her refusal to say aoi can also mean blue, she considers 青銅, 青木, 青葉, 青蛙, 青菜, 青草, 青葱, and 青物 to all be blue as well. While you're at it, ask her whether it's blue that's the colour of youth in Japan, as 青梅, 青年, and 青春 all use ao.

As an example that is actually relevant to this Wiki, take Guy and Lee. They're called ao, but it's beyond obvious that what is meant is that they're green. —ShounenSuki (talk 19:08, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * The etymology of 押忍 is rather complicated. Apparently it's a combination of an abbreviation of and, which apparently refers to learning endurance through gaining control of the self.
 * 忍 is probably given as 'shinobu' because that's the most common reading outside of fiction. It's read as 'shinobu' when used as the name for several species of fern as as a common boys' name. —ShounenSuki (talk 22:40, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * The answer would be neither. I started learning Japanese because there was a boy who I was in love with in high school who was learning the language. I keep on learning it even now because I want to become a Dutch–English–Japanese translator (and eventually add Chinese to there as well and possibly Arabic). —ShounenSuki (talk 23:09, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * The Dutch word would be 'middelbare school', which literally translates to 'middle school' ^^ I'm just used to using 'high school' when using English. —ShounenSuki (talk 23:50, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * You would be somewhat correct in saying that 神羅天征 is 'just a series of kanji'. After all, that's how it would appear at first sight. That's why a translator also has to have a wide knowledge of the cultures associated with the language he's translating to and from. See, in Japanese and Chinese culture, there's this concept summarised as . This is usually translated as 'All-Covering Forests and Ten Thousand Things'. In other words, everything in existence.
 * Now at first sight, this doesn't seem as having a lot to do with 神羅天征, but that's again where the culture thing comes in. Nowadays, everyone who likes playing video games and is old enough to have played Final Fantasy VII — like Kishimoto-sensei — would think immediately of the corporation when hearing the word 'shinra'. Add to this the rather rare variant of 森羅万象, 神羅万象, and now we have a connection with 神羅天征.


 * In 神羅万象, the 神羅 part is meant to evoke the idea of an omnipresent god — or multiple, for that matter. So in 神羅天征, I translated it as such as well. 天征 could be interpreted as 'heavenly subjugation' or 'subjugation of heaven'. This is were context comes in. Pain, the person 神羅 is referring to, obviously isn't 'subjugating heaven', so 'heavenly subjugation' is the better translation here.


 * In the end, 羅 isn't actually translated. It's there for the sound and to invoke a Buddhist feeling — it's used in many, many Buddhist names and terms: the meaning of 'penis' your teacher gave comes from this kanji being used as an abbrevation of the Buddhist term, who was a demon trying to seduce the Buddha with women. This idea eventually lead to its name becoming a slang term for 'penis'.


 * As for systems, I don't have any. Each translation has its own problems and difficulties. Just look a bit further than you might think you need to do. Don't take things at face value, especially when they might include references and puns. —ShounenSuki (talk 11:46, September 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * The の is implied. Adding it is both unnecessary and would ruin the connection to the four-character idiom. —ShounenSuki (talk 13:29, September 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * The Third Tsuchikage is called the in the ending blurb of chapter 513. These blurbs are always left out of the tankōbon, though, so I'm uncertain of its relevance. —ShounenSuki (talk 19:54, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

Question
Hi Seelentau, I have a question, does Izumii means fountain?--White Flash (talk)   21:58, September 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks :).--White Flash (talk)   18:52, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * One more thing, do you know what this kanji means?.--White Flash (talk)   00:12, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Help
—ShounenSuki (talk 19:08, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) I hear him say,.
 * 2) Rōshi's Yōton was specifically said to come from the Yonbi. In fact, I don't even recall it ever being called 'Rōshi's Yōton'. Rōshi is an exception, though, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Yonbi is considered to use a kekkei genkai.
 * 3) I found the raw here this time, but there are plenty of other sources I use. The raw was unusually late this time, though. Hopefully it'll be out earlier for chapter 555.

Re: New possible dates?
押忍! Unfortunately, those chapter have time references no more substantial than 'at that time' and 'long ago'. There's nothing in them that could help form a time line of any form.

I can help you with your second question, though. First of all, let me tell you that you hard it well. They do say 「ほのおのかいびょう」 and ほのお should indeed be 炎, but that shouldn't be a surprise. かいびょう, you misinterpreted, though. It should be 怪猫, another word for 化け猫. —ShounenSuki (talk 11:19, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re: 猫俣, 猫股 or 猫又?
From what I was able to gather, there are two ways to write 'nekomata' in Japanese: 猫股 and 猫又. Where 猫俣 came from, I haven't a clue. Ancient names like this often have many variant spellings; a throwback to the time when kanji were still used only for their pronunciation, rather than their actual meaning.

The name is translated as 'forked cat' because this is a word where the adjective is placed after the main noun. It's a rather archaic way of writing, but as I said before, it's an old word we're dealing with here. It's basically the Japanese way of saying 'a cat forked'. —ShounenSuki (talk 13:56, September 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * If possible, give both options. If you have to choose, I'd go with 猫又. It's the most commonly used option and the one used by Kishimoto-sensei in the third databook.
 * The Nibi is called an 生霊, just like Shukaku. This implies it is thought to have been a human at some point in the past, whose soul turned into the Nibi we know today. —ShounenSuki (talk 14:23, September 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * By saying the Nibi and Shukaku are ikiryō, I think he either tried to give the Bijū a more complex background — by throwing in the legends humans had created around them — or hint at the actual Jūbi story — as the Bijū could have been misinterpreted as being the ikiryō of the Sage of the Six Paths. —ShounenSuki (talk 14:44, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Translation
押忍! That little sentence means "Speaking of which, where's the entrance?" Kabuto is talking to the snake as if it's a separate entity, that much is certain. It's going a bit too far saying that snake is Orochimaru, though. Kabuto doesn't have Orochimaru's soul inside of him, just his cells. It's the same situation as with Danzō and the First Hokage, really. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:49, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Two questions
—ShounenSuki (talk 13:03, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) As far as I know, there has never been any clear information on the state the Edo Tensei zombies are revived in. I believe the best statement we have is that the sacrifice is covered in a shroud of dust in the shape the summon had in life.
 * 2) it's definitely not literal. I cannot imagine that the Sage literally gave his eyes to his eldest son and his body to his youngest son. It simply means that the eldest son inherited certain powers of his father's, in the same way someone can inherit their parent's eye colour or smile.
 * I have a feeling it has to do with how the summoned souls saw themselves.
 * It isn't just a case of them being revived to the state they were in just before death, as that would've meant Sasori would be in his core form. It also isn't a case of them being revived to a state of no modifications, as both Deidara and Kakuzu still have theirs. They're not brought back to some kind of prefect state, as that would've meant Nagato's legs would've been fine and the Third Raikage's scar wouldn't have been there. Therefore, I think they are revived to the state they consider to be their current state. Nagato's legs had been useless for probably a couple of decades already, so he simply had started viewing his crippled legs as a part of himself, hence why he was revived with them. The same for those zombies revived with body modifications. Sasori might've been little more than a hump of meat, but he still saw himself in the form of his fifteen-year-old self, hence why he was revived as that. —ShounenSuki (talk 15:59, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Tsuchi
Hey Seelentau can Tsuchi (土) means soil as well?--White Flash (Talk) 22:19, October 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks :).--White Flash Hyūga Symbol.svg 22:29, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Translation
Hey Seelentau, I need your help, do you know the Japanese translation of this sentence in this video.

Sasuke: (''The Uchiha Hideout...Itachi is in there...)....(The time to settle this has come...).....Itachi...I'll show you this hatred of mine. All of it...''-- White Flash  (talk)  16:02, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah.--White Flash (Talk ) 01:46, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks :).--White Flash 02:01, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I could hear Sasuke say, —ShounenSuki (talk 13:52, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've been making an awful lot of typos lately… It's as if all the keys on my keyboard just moved a bit…… —ShounenSuki (talk 15:01, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

English TV
Hey Seelentau, do you watch the english anime version of Naruto?-- White Flash ( Talk ) 17:05, October 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see, well I saw in the infobox Sand Waterfall Imperial Funeral, saying its English TV translations is Great Sand Burial, however I remember it being called Sand Tsunami, think I should put this in its talk page?-- White Flash ( Talk ) 18:51, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Chapter-Tankōbon Differences‎‎
If you remember any feel free to add them :) S im A nt 23:48, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Ultimate Ninja Impact
It has come to my attention that gameplay videos are available on youtube. I tried searching for the game's name in Japanese, just ナルティメットインパクト and several videos appeared. Most of them appear to have Japanese audio and subtitles, so those might be worth going through, to find game jutsu, if you have time to look through them. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:26, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * For example, this is a game play video that shows up when you search for the term I gave above. During some portions, there are fight sequences. During those fight sequences, technique names show up near health bars for the characters. Just skip the video to the fight sequences and see how much info you can get out of them. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:54, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I just saw that these videos can show game exclusive techniques. For example, in that video I linked, I saw that there were two named techniques Naruto used, both using clones, and they had specific names, so if we can list them, no reason not to add them. I added one technique used by Mei because in the link given when someone created an article on an Earth Release used by the Tsuchikage, there was this new technique. There was also a technique by Danzō as well, but that video was in English. This way, the wiki gets to have the actual Japanese name. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:02, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * There's audio. In these two clone techniques I mentioned, you can hear him saying "Bunshin something". Would that account for the pronunciation? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:04, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Two questions
押忍, I'm doing fine, thank you ^^ I'd be glad to answer your questions. —ShounenSuki (talk 10:23, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Generally, I would agree with your teacher; there are countless examples of kanji that only differ slightly, but have radically different meanings. Just take 湯, 暘, 楊, 腸, 陽, and 揚, for example. Here, it is because the shared part of the kanji (昜) indicates the pronunciation, whereas the different parts indicate meaning. With 熔 and 溶, the situation is similar, but slightly different. They used to have different meanings — and still do in Chinese — but the difference was subtle and has all but disappeared in Japanese. They are basically interchangeable nowadays.
 * 2) I would transcribe it as 'aa'. I only use 'ā' for あー and アー. However, this is actually me following an older version of the Revised Hepburn system. According to the latest version, it should be 'ā'. I should probably make that switch one day…