Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31810758-20170423043658/@comment-31099706-20170502174336

@Vladosaurus. The difference between Naruto and Sasuke is that Naruto himself said to Kurama that they hadn't fought for long, Konoha hadn't had any big problems inside it. other than the novels. Where is the proof that Naruto went for missions? if I'm right he was studying to make up for his lost years of General knowledge. And the main fight he had was against Toneri and Momo, Kinshi. He did say with his own mouth that both he and Kurama didn't fight for long. It was peaceful time in the village but not in it's shadows.

Sasuke was already said to be travelling due to people craving for his sharingan(I can't believe I had to say this again).

@Namikaze.They were. Oh I read the manga, what about you?

When you start reading the manga you'll eventually(Spoiler alert!) reach a chapter where this sage(you'll understand it after reading it) gives Naruto and Sasuke half of his immense chakra and his friends would heal him after getting almost killed by this awesome villain.

You'll also reach the chapter where kurama states that he took too much NE in him.

Sasuke had took some amount of chakra from the already exhausted tailed beasts that were used up for than thrice. And yeah Rinnegen mastery leaves a very big factor in the fight.

He won't need to switch on his rinnegen for the whole time, thus be saved from Chakra drain. He would be able to absorb all of Naruto's jutsus and yes even the sage powered ones as he is already used to natural energy(and don't give me the cheap sage mode knock off excuse because CM was shown in the begining of the series that is part 1. And it's Senjutsu, as Sasuke could use it to harm Tentails Obito.).

Hashi cells has no advantage?Characters like Danzo, Madara, Obito would like to beg to differ. even the wikia here states Naruto's advantage with it.

I confused you with someone else at that reply, I apologize for that.

The name of the show is defidently Naruto. But you need to remember that Sasuke was suggested by the editors so Naruto can have a fitting rival. He did say he wanted to use them to show them in a yin yang way. Sasuke is also the writer's favorite character. If you didn't get the hint at each end that Naruto and Sasuke were given power equally then where's the point?

The last chapter of Gaiden I think. He said it after he flew a PS at Shin's location and just grabbed hold of Shin. How does that undermines my point? It's a simple, Hashi vs madara relation. Basically you see. Sasuke has power and abilities to mostly kill or just beat anyone within seconds. Amaterasu, Rinnegen genjutsu,Susanoo. He very easily took down nine tailed beasts with a a single glance of his genjutsu, Naruto cannot take down those tailed beasts at such a speed even he wishes to. My point is, Naruto has genjutsu immunity something that gives him a very high advantage against Sasuke, and chakra arms to escape Amaterasu flames, and that SPSM Kurama mode to matching his PS. Basically Naruto is a rock against Sasuke who is fire, the flames won't do much with the rock. And that's why out of anyone Naruto as a Jinchuriki, has a chance against Sasuke.

I'm pretty sure that he had it at the start when he was just a genin. You can't go on and on about Naruto secretly hiding because he is 'matured', atleast show a proof of him hiding.

Don't take praises and things said between friends just to joke around as a source of truth. That's why I had to use Naruto's own words as counter to the usual I want to pull ahead of you qoute arguement. Remember Hashi said that Itachi was a greater shinobu than him but that doesn't mean that Itachi's stronger but that he has a shinobi(someone noble,loyal, heroic and stuff) is great. That could be what Sasuke is always telling to Boruto. Boruto's wants to surpass Naruto power wise while Sasuke explains to him(after knowing what a true shinobi and hokage is) that he can surpass(achieve more than even Naruto) Naruto. Sasuke is filled with alot of guilt so he won't see him as a equal shinobi(someone who is noble,loyal, heroic) compared to Naruto even if he saves the whole wide world a couple of times. And don't say he doesn't feel guilt. He obviously does, that's the main reason he rejected a Hashi arm.

You did not get the whole " He has to keep travelling in order to show that Sasuke Uchiha of Konoha is not in Konoha and so his enemies will just attack him at the forest and mountains, whereever he goes. so battling them itself is a training and to keep himself active with his body he has to keep training. And again just walking through those dimensions is a training of it's own.

I'm not that smart with the whole structural thing, but from what you're saying is that Sasuke just went on the bet to use chidori out of all the meteor busting moves he has and just risks the lives of all the people, and did with some luck?

No, I really don't think so. If that was the case then anyone else could have done it too. the meteor seemed fine to me, and it showed how strong it was by not entirely breaking from six gate users. So unless we have a backstory on the meteor, we can't just say that it was weak. No one even mentioned, "Oh that's because of our fellow six gates users" instead they just stood in awe, while Sasuke did not mention too. don't make assumptions out of something that is as clear as this.

Naruto did it with SPSM Rasenshurikens and TSB I think. While Sasuke's susanoo did not even touch it, he just slashed his swords with the power of it's sword slash cutting it down.

You were just talking about one of his proofs on him improving just above this.

Sasuke did not use TB at the start so shouldn't that be a sign sasuke holding back now?

Do you remember what Naruto at first vote said "I'm gonna bring you back to the village, if even I have to break every bone of your body!" -Naruto Uzumaki and at after the danzo fight. "Sasuke,next time we'll fight, we will both die" -Naruto Uzuamki, or atleast what I remember of it. So these very well explain that if Naruto can't save Sasuke then he'll just have to die with Naruto, Naruto can prevent him from having the same fate as Itachi's.

We literally have only 21 chapters worth of adult Sasuke and Naruto till now, and those chaoter were already focusing on their children. So you need to have patience for the things you demand for to come.

I could also just counter your where are they arguements with questions like Naruto has another half of Kurama, where is he?

Huh? how can one easily evade the Rinnegen's jutsu and Chakra absorbtion with mid long range? aren't long range more easier for Rinnegen to absorb?

Huh? Naruto excels in Mid long range? I'm sorry, but are talking about the same Naruto here? The Naruto who uses Shadow clones and Rasengans the most? and only long range would be Rasenshuriken. So no he doesn't excel in mid long range battles and it doesn't even matter if he does, Rinnegen absorbs all forms of ninjutsu. So Naruto just have to go with Taijutsu which will be affected by Chakra absorbtion.

Naruto was powered by a special cloak. a cloak that was made through the combined chakra of all the tailed beasts. That really enhanced his strength and speed. from the start of him gaining SP chakra to him fighting and getting exhausted against Sasuke.

And if Sasuke just used TB chakra at the start of the fight and just shooted the indra arrow at Naruto then Naruto would have been dead, think about that now.

Yet somehow you don't get it. Naruto does not have other TB chakra than Kurama's and doesn't have TSB.

The Vote state you're mentioning is Naruto absorbing all the NE and forming his kurama ashura avater? Yeah, by Kurama's own words, he couldn't handle all that NE. So he survived by throwing all that chakra into two rasenshurikens at Sasuke's Indra's arrow technique. I'll go with all the possibilities to solve this situation.

1. I would like to say that Sasuke absorbed the TB chakra to power up his attacking power not his defence. So since Sasuke survived the combined collision of both equally powerful technique then he can survive it this time too.

2.If you're noy satisfied with the one I proposed for Sasuke's susanoo defence not increasing, then I'll just say this. Sasuke launced all his TB chakra as well lots of his own chakra at Naruto's techniques. At the time of the charge, all the chakra transported to form the move. So after launching the technique, Sasuke's susanoo was normal. and it still allowed him to survive the combined blast of that technique.and Sasuke susanoo would only get stronger with more mastery which he obviously will have by now. And Naruto doesn't have the other TB chakra to power his avater or the TSB to protect him from the blast.

3. I already said this, but I'll say this again. Sasuke can escaoe the impending attack using either his reverse snake summon, time space technique or his dimension travelling time space technique which he can save chakra by gling to the closet dimension possible and then just coming back. Thus as a counter to what you said about smartness having limits. Smartness and talent >>>immense power.

Typical counter from someone who doesn't acknowledge Sasuke and Naruto equality in power.

I agree with what you said about Sasuke being stronger before SM Naruto but then they only became equals till the end. and now to the new series as well.

@Lorenzo. Natural energy was absorbed by Nagato's pain, which caused it to turn into a stone right? So if a non living body like that can turn to stone, why didn't a edo turn into one too? and can you show me where Madara or any other character there specifically said that? that as a edo he was able to absorb it?

Sasuke had experience with CM's NE. His Six Paths is already like NE. He and Madara are basically the same at certain things like these. Oh and madara absorbed directly NE from Hashi when he was alive.

@Ninjachris. at the first part of Naruto, most character had their own shine. And anyways you yourself said that Naruto and Sasuke's brotherly relationship is inspired by the writer's own relationshio with hsi brother.And the editors also requested for Naruto to have a equal and interesting rival. So the writer made Sasuke, who then became the writer's most favorite character. So there's that.

Sasuke trained. proof is him transporting several people without much effort.

@Lorenzo. Sasuke's time soace jutsu seemed more than a jutsu where time is taken as it's cost. Like,

1.Then there would be no freaking reason for him restrict anyone from getting, why not take a freaking army then?

2. Sasuke would have rushed everyone to get in. instead of letting Boruto make a dramatic goodbye scene to Hinata.

3.To all the people who are asking then why Sasuke brought the fodder kages on the cost od such chakra. Well Sasuke has learned through Naruto and team 7 that teamwork can have fruitfull results. And that anyone can help in a mission/fight no matter how powerless he/she can be.

And anyways Sasuke knew that taijutsu is needed for this mission so he thought why not some extra arms?

@Namikaze. and yet again you show me how much you don't about Sasuke. Sasuke can sense Naruto's chakra through dimensions. He sensed the NE build up of Naruto too.

And I again agree with @Kakashi. Sasuke can dodge all those attacks.

And finally, seeing how little you know about Sasuke, I would like to tell you about each of Sasuke's advantages, which you probably will counter with something that doesn't make but still, let me try,

1. Sasuke could use the Sage Mode countering technique, Hashi taught him about.

2. Sasuke could use his sword to size up Naruto's spamming clone army.

3. Sasuke could use Izanami(But I don't know if it would work or not seeing ,Naruto's character and all)

4. Inzanagi. Don't give me the stupid excuse of him not showing it. He saw it enough with Danzo and learned enough from his brother. Only a battle like this would make Sasuke use such a jutsu.

5. Gedo statue. Sasuke could summon a gedo statue through his rinnegen and it'll be over for a jinchuriki like Naruto.

6. Animal Summons. Sasuke can summon all the powerful summon animals of the rinnegen. He'll be able to easily surpise Naruto with a attack with it's summons. Nit that he does even need such a jutsu to do it. Ameno is always there too.

7.All of the other Rinnegen abilities. Soul extraction, CT, jutsu absorbtion,chakra absorbtion and many other.

And here I am being a good and saying that it'll end in tie. Becasue they are equals.