Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36512555-20200302063012/@comment-6769189-20200404111025

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

No. He wasn't even in it's range. And in the next chapter he started mercing all of them and Onoki clearly didnt succed in using Jinton to destroy the Susanoo

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Like i said, Madara can't tank a jinton, Mu was in his own village so he heeded Madara's threat and let him walk without fighting in order not to cause harm to the village. Madara was threatening to destory their village, not warning tgem about destroying the entire thing. You talk about Jinton soloing Perf Susanoo but 2 Jinton users couldnt beat him when he didnt even use it.

Madara doesnt have to tank it. He can easily avoid it. And judging by the fact that he offscreened all 5 of the Kage. Jinton isnt as big an advantage as you make it out to be

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

MS Madara? Second strongest? LOL. Do please change which Madara i have been referencing to to suit your stance.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

It does that but not expand reserves as you suggested. Expanding it has nothing to do with anything in this convo. If you are going to grasp at straws, grasp and legitimate one

Edo Madara has a large supply of chakra and it constantly refills.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

I shouldnt even dignify the idea that Tayuya solos Madara with genjutsu with a response anymore.
 * Never said he can't break it, just said it'll buy enough time for them to finish him
 * If you read again, you'll see i never said he could.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

They were mortals fighting an immortal thief. Ive never seen anyone so butthurt about an expanded arsenal before

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

The army can make clones as well Not ones that can do battle with perfect Susanoo

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

and with Yagura's ninjutsu he can run around and can turn Madara's clones against themselves. Yagura is gonna stop an army with his one mirror jutsu that will work once because Madara wont fall for it twice

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Susanoo isn't relevant in a taijutsu argument. It does when it makes taijutsu a non-option.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Based on his dialogue then, he didn't notice. Choza could see him so clearly it doesnt make him invisible. Tsunade and Dan talked inside her mind. Nothing indicates that he couldnt see Dan

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Why do you keep bringing up Perfect Susanoo? he can't use susanoo when using the preta path, at-least shown, you should know that atleast. A clone can.

Nothing stops him from having a clone in Susanoo with him to incercept attacks or vice versa. All the while he can keep making clones with that absorbed chakra

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Only Sasuke visual genjusued multiple bijju, Madara has already stolen powers don't give him stolen feats now. What stops him controlling multiple bijuu? Oh right nothing. 6 of the other bijuu combined are weaker than Kurama so controling them wouldnt be a problem. I guess you could argue he couldnt do them all at once but even if he has to take control one by one it shouldnt be a problem.

Obito took control of Kurama while having Yagura and Isobu under his control and Madara beats him out in skill, experience, and power

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

He only performed it after he came alive, that should say something. And only like 500 times did he say he wasnt going all out.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Ohnoki was out of chakra, and it didn't make contact with the susanoo anyways.  If it did work, the 5 kage would have won. Tsunade could have given more chakra for it

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

You can keep saying that but shadow clones and wood clones have been shown to do whatever the original user can do.
 * Clone never shown to use PS

There is no evidence supporting the notion that shadow or wood clones are incapable of doing anything the user is capable of doing.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Like i said earlier, if Jinton was that effective against PS. The 5 Kage wouldnt have lost.
 * Whenever the real body appears they can simply replicate the same plan, because it's so flawless there is no going around it. Even if he's in PS, Jinton will just snap the legs and susanoo disspates, Madara is left falling, Mu repeats jinton, in that moment he absorbs,that's when Itachi strikes.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

I am. He can do it. Just because utter anihilition is his first tactic doesnt mean this isnt a viable option. He forced the Raikage to do it and he can be stealth if he wants to. Its way more likely than being solo'ed by Tayuya.
 * Sneaking around and genjutsuing people? can you be real?

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Right. Sorry, he already had captured him so he can start off the fight sealing away Edo's with Shukkaku's power.
 * Shukaku wasn't among the edo army lol..

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Yea... just because Nagato stood by and let it 3 people stop it doesnt mean Madara will. While they are attempting that Susanoo and Deep Forest Emergence could be coming after them along with possibly multiple.
 * I already showed how the army can handle CT.

Not only that but there are really only a handful of ninja with the destructive capability to destroy it and Madara/Obito would have most of them in this scenerio.

They also most likely wont attempt to destroy it CT if Madara makes living characters like each of the Kage the core.

Ninja Of War wrote:

Before Madara got his rinnegan back, wood release would have been perfect to restrain the bijuu. Would have, but he didnt need it.

Ninja Of War wrote:

Kakashi used Kamui successfully on the gedo statue tho. Fair. But Itachi doesnt have that and IIRC it didnt even work that well and Kakashi was amped by Kyuubi chakra