User talk:Omnibender

Re: Game ougi
wow, he surely has many videos :D I can't help you with creating the pages, but if you need any Kanji I'd be glad to help. :) Seelentau 愛議 12:19, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sooo, I created a list with all named Jutsu shown in the videos. Though some of them are missing Kanji etc., I asked ShounenSuki to check the list for possible mistakes. Anyways, I hope this'll help you :) Seelentau 愛議 20:48, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Move and Script
I always try to, but you usually beat me to it. See, the bot uses the list of double redirects to fix them, but this list doesn't get updated that quickly. By the time I've noticed it had updated, you usually already fixed everything. I could have sworn I already mentioned this to you before… —ShounenSuki (talk 12:22, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

ADD
I want to add some more games to the video games article but I not sure how to.Shadoe209 (talk) 14:55, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Hello, how are you?

Hello
Hi, I was wondering if maybe we could have chat here or is that a bad idea?--Red Sand  (talk ) 23:58, July 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, about Naruto or anything.--Red Sand  (talk ) 00:04, July 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Characters, episodes, video games, random discussions.--Red Sand  (talk ) 00:07, July 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry I mean something like this.--Red Sand  (talk ) 00:11, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Natures
Hey it's me, GoDai, dropping in in a looooong while. Kishi finally decided to make another move in the natures area with Magnetism Release, and it seems we were right about the Iron Sand-based abilities being a nature with the "magnetic quality of chakra" in the first place eh. My long break from editing and such let me see the bigger picture of natures, and I developped a slightly less intensive view on the natures subject (The triple combinations still disappoint me, but whatever.). I like how your theory has developped while I was gone, although I'm not sure if Kishi would use things like Health and Dawn, but most of them do seem quite unique. Have you considered making small explanations of the effects of the theoretical natures, or what a basic technique would look like and do? While the explanation for the justification of the composition of the nature is well-written, some natures seem to be getting too complicated (which I guess would make sense with the inclusion of more elements, but I hope you know what I mean). For example, there are so many possible combinations for Water+Wind and Earth+Water, but Kishi specifically chose Ice and Wood (which wouldn't actually be my first guesses, more like Cloud and Tar), probably for a specific reason (probably for unique appearance/effects, Ice and Wood both often being called classical elements, and practicality in battle and other situations). I hope that helps your theory in any way. --GoDai (talk) 07:22, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

I also noticed your sand theory, and it seems to sum it nicely, and I think similarly. After all our doubts, explosive and magnetic chakras were indeed nature transformations (Logically, they do literally change the behavior of chakra), and now, it seems even almost likely that sand manipulation will be revealed as a nature transformation, although Kishi seems reluctant to outright say that it is a nature at the moment, and Gaara's father continuously mentions "Shukaku's power." My idea at the current moment is that: I'm not sure, but just pointing out that because it's "Magnetism Release" instead of "Metal Release," so intead of "Sand Release" it may be some form of chakra that controls sand. Another theory I have is: Just mainly throwing out ideas. Your kanji for "Pulse Release" spell "Motion Release," although changing it would make it "Wave Release." Not sure how to solve that one. Some ideas I had, you might wanna get the kanji checked though: I'll think of other ones later, and these ideas are only ideas. --GoDai (talk) 07:23, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * "Shukaku's chakra," whatever special properties it possesses, somehow allows Gaara to manipulate sand the same way "magnetic chakra" allows the user to manipulate Iron Sand. Both cases cannot produce the material being manipulated, but only convert chakra into the force in order to manipulate that material. So instead of being "Sand Release" it would be something more like " Release." This also means it may not be a nature at all, but rather something more similar to what we have seen with ink.
 * Shukaku has greater mastery over the supposed nature transformation, and he can produce ("manifest" as you say) sand from his body (out of chakra), but Gaara, having "received" Shukaku's abilties, is limited to controlling existing sand.
 * Water + Wind + Yin = Fluid (流 "flow"; liquids and gases are fluids, and it involves form. Also could represent a fluid mind.)
 * Water + Wind + Yang = Shatter (破 "shatter"; not the best idea, but i thought of freezing and shattering the target all in an instant.)
 * Wind + Earth + Yang = Gravity (重 "heavy/weight"; Wind is a physical energy-based nature and relates to atmospheric pressure, and Earth obviously represents large mass in this case. The Yang is also present for the physical mass factor, although Yin could fit with the "pull" theme involved in some cultures. Fire and Lightning were avoided due to them being related to electromagnetic energies. I know Nagato used a similar ability, but I imagine a nature based on weight, centered on the Earth, rather than attraction/repulsion centered on the user.)
 * Allow me to butt in: Maybe Gaara and his sand's the same as Rōshi and his Yōton. We don't have a confirmed nature for wind and earth yet. Gaaras can use Fūton and sand is almost like earth. Maybe he learned it through the Shukaku. Just saying. Seelentau 愛議 21:02, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've read your theories already and I must say, they're pretty well made. Impressive job :) Also, thanks for fixing that mistake^^ Dou you have any other videos I can help you out with? Seelentau 愛議 00:05, July 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's likely that Sand Release will become a reality. Most of my theories are outdated now, but I'll get to them some day. A recent idea I've had is the similarity between Wood, Crystal (although anime-only), and Magnetism Release, and possibly sand manipulation. They all seeming cannot produce their element out of nowhere. Wood is generated from the user or the ground by converting chakra into "life forces," Crystal couldn't crystallize chakra, but crystallized other matter by converting chakra into some form of crytallizing energy, and magnetism doesn't do much on its own but manipulates objects by converting chakra into magnetic forces. Sand Release may end up as something similar, as it seems Gaara cannot convert chakra into sand but uses chakra to control sand and also produces sand out of earth by using already-existing sand. It's also good to notice that while only one Wind Release technique that Shukaku uses seems to use sand, a large part of Gaara's techniques involve pressure, a concept closely tied to Wind. And "videos"? :P --GoDai (talk) 04:39, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

???
Umm We've been changin trivia but iThink we need to come to agreement. The Fourth kazekage did not manipulate sand, it was Gold dust. The only known shinobi who did show forms of sand manipulation were the third and fifth kazekage.

Namespace
Hey Omni, would you happen to know how this wiki got the "Infobox" namespace? I'm trying to do the same thing for Naruto Fanon Wiki and can't figure it out completely. Thanks! Captain Jack Sparrow   (Captain's Logs) 18:52, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Tools category
Sorry, I was unaware that that was the procedure and as I was using the Kunai article as the basis for my edits, which includes such a category, I mistakenly carried it over to the other pages. I'll make sure I don't repeat the mistake from here onwards. Blackstar1 (talk) 03:11, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Siblings Inboxes.
Hello

oh, so sorry

THANKYOUSmall brother (talk) 08:32, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Wind Flower Kick
Yes, I took kanji from that page. I found a video with this it's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI3ZW4Wofj8 time 02:15. for me it sounds like "Kaze gonasai" or something but it'll better if it will be checked by another person than me.--LeafShinobi (talk) 18:30, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

Who
Who was the user you blocked?--Mark Shadow (talk) 02:49, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Cards and games
I don't have any solid information on this subject, but to me it has always seemed as if the card games took the names from the manga, anime, and apparently also games, rather than vice versa. I could easily be wrong though. Perhaps it's possible to check release dates… —ShounenSuki (talk 11:02, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Blood Prison info?
I can't really say if there's any new information in there, as I haven't a clue what the old information is ^^

The advert is for the novelisation of the film, though. It talks about Naruto being a prisoner in an inescapable prison and introduces some guy named, who is the master of the.

It also has a short dialogue:
 * Naruto:
 * Mui:

—ShounenSuki (talk 14:05, July 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'd say 'Imprisonment Technique' is the type of technique and 'Heavenly Prison' is the actual name. I don't see any other information that isn't already on here, though. —ShounenSuki (talk 23:19, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hello
Hello, Omnibender... I'd like to ask you a question. What new elements do you think this could open up 547 spoiler now?

Magnetism Release!
Is this a new element or just a kekkei-genkai?--Black-Light (talk) 19:45, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

The magnet issue
磁 Ji really just means magnet. 磁性 Jisei means magnetism. Hence it is magnet release :) Seelentau 愛議 00:07, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Well, 磁力 can mean magnetic power or magnetism, as you said. I don't know why the Japanese even have separate wikipedia articles for magnetism, but I doubt there's that much of a difference. Magnetic power is what magnetism is. It should be changed, anyways, since 磁力 is more official. Also, the term 磁性 Jisei was never used in the raw. Seelentau 愛議 00:24, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * 磁石 Jishaku literally means magnet stone. It can mean magnet, yes. But it can also refer to magnetic iron ore. I think 磁石 Jishaku is used when they talk about magnetic things, while 磁力 Jiryoku is used when they talk about the magnetic force, that what makes the things magnetic. Seelentau 愛議 10:29, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sand Classification as a Tool
I know this has been mentioned countless times, but I would still like to try to classify sand techniques as one group. An idea I have now is to create a page for the tool, "sand." I know this brings up arguments such as that sand is everywhere and naturally occurring just like earth and water, but it is one way to similarize the pages for sand manipulation techniques, Iron Sand techniques, and Gold Dust techniques. Calling sand a tool would primarily refer to how Gaara carries around sand in a gourd and uses sand for his techniques, which is better than other grouping ideas that have been mentioned before. Thanks. --GoDai (talk) 06:44, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh I see. Well infusing chakra into sand sounds like an ability or technique rather than a tool on its own, but I think we should create the page if no one opposes it; it would also please people who would like to see an organized page of sand techniques.--GoDai (talk) 19:45, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm ok then. If such a page was created, would we be adding it to all of the pages that utilize sand, or just the ones that use only the sand inside Gaara's gourd specifically? --GoDai (talk) 20:00, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Then it would seem we need the Chapter 249 raw. --GoDai (talk) 20:20, July 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * In chapter 249 on page 15, Deidara calls it 特別製の砂 Tokubetsu Sei no Suna. Seelentau 愛議 23:40, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * "Tokubetsu Sei no Suna" would basically be "Special quality sand" or simply, "special sand." --GoDai (talk) 20:24, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup. But that's the only special term I could find for Gaara's sand in that chapter. Seelentau 愛議 20:36, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think he was talking about chakra-infused sand in page 3. --GoDai (talk) 21:15, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * He is, but he's not giving the sand a special term. Seelentau 愛議 21:57, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure about "Special Nature Sand" though. Maybe we can change the "cahkra-infused sand" description into a noun. --GoDai (talk) 22:38, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Flak jackets on villages
I was thinking of this idea that we should start putting flak jackets of the villages on the village's page. I tried to but of coarse it got deleted oh well just letting you know. Oh and yes I do know that there is a flak jacket page, but my idea is better since the information would be easier to find. Or we could have both the flak jacket page and my idea just letting you know--Black-Light (talk) 20:06, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Tailed Beast names
I think that all the tailed beasts should have names, like the One-Tailed Shukaku and the Nine-Tailed Fox, other than the name of their tails.

Archive
So a few days ago, or yesterday, I can't remember anymore since i've taken to getting drunk in my spare ti—anyway I tried to archive my talk page which failed and just created an empty archive. I'm not sure what should be done if it should be deleted or something. can you help?--Cerez365™ 23:05, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Sigh, I try that method then. Thanks much~--Cerez365™ 23:18, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Uhm so I tried archiving the way I assumed it was supposed to be done manually but to no avail. You mind walking me through it please? --Cerez365™ 16:37, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Sweet, thanks much.--Cerez365™ 17:05, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

So, uhm I did your thing and it disappeared :s Then I proceeded to create another one that actually showed up and did it right. Is it alright if it stays like that? --Cerez365™ 17:30, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, thank you~. Yeah that was me.--Cerez365™ 19:23, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Gaara's sand
Yeah, 特別製の砂 means something like 'special-made sand'. Why limit the page to that, though? Gaara uses normal sand as well and there have been instances of sand being used as a tool by others like Kankurō.

I can't remember any other term being used for Gaara's sand, though. I'll check the manga and the databooks to make sure, but I think it has almost always simply been referred to as 'sand'. —ShounenSuki (talk 23:27, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Madara's Sharingan
Why do you keep changing deleting the information about Madara's Sharingan ending Konan's life? He clearly says "when the genjutsu ends, so will you" meaning his genjutsu is what ended her life. --Axel Carnage (talk) 03:04, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

That wouldn't make any logical sense. Why would he physically kill her after he used a genjutsu on her that made her reveal where the Rinnegan was if she was already incapacitated? Not to mention she was already severely wounded by the pipe that Madara used to impale her. The genjutsu was just the finishing move regardless of however "powerful" it was. Plus this is Madara we're talking about whom was able to completely control Yagura which makes it evident that he is very talented in genjutsu. Not to mention her eyes closed right after he said those words which implies that she is indeed dead. If you look at Chapter 511, page 4 there are no other signs of wounds on her body aside from the aforementioned pole wound. I think it makes sense to just assume he finished her off with a genjutsu regardless if no one has been previously killed by it or not, it was a small finishing move. Oh I forgot to mention he can also correctly use Izanagi (which Danzo failed at) which is said to be the most powerful genjutsu. --Axel Carnage (talk) 03:21, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

I already stated that it doesn't matter how "powerful" said genjutsu is because it was a finishing move. You have to keep in mind he's Madara Uchiha - the leader of the Uchiha clan and the most powerful of them, said to be stronger than Itachi who you mentioned used Tsukiyomi on more than one occasion but never resulted in a casuality but as Itachi himself said he was an "invincible immortal", the first to awaken the Mankgeyo Sharingan as well as the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, deemed immortal by Tsunade herself, the hidden main antagonist of the series, and I severely doubt he is incapable of finishing off an enemy with an genjutsu technique. Just because no one has been killed off by a genjutsu doesn't mean there isn't a first time. Madara was the first and only one shown so far to control the Nine-tails with his Sharingan which is the first time for said feat. There is literally no other way to show that his genjutsu killed her off unless he were to openly say "HAHA my genjutsu has killed her!" Plus we have seen that Madara is not much of a physical fighter at this point. He uses his Sharingan to fight all of his opponents in his current state; you're looking too much at the historical facts and not at what's right in front of you. --Axel Carnage (talk) 03:53, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Itachi did indeed say he was a shell of his former self. However, he also stated that his eyes and its power were still alive to this day. This is why I hate wikias...I provide literal evidence that practically says he killed Konan with genjutsu but you faggots find some way to beat around the bush and only look at past events. You're disregarding me because you think I'm just giving Madara praise because he is badass. Well if you look at who he is as a character, he's the first to do many things with his Sharingan and I have no goddamn clue why you couldn't just accept that he was the first to perform a fatality with a genjutsu. Madara would be saying redundant things if he was only talking about using his genjutsu to reveal where the Rinnegan. If he had only wanted to use his genjutsu for information he would have worded it something to similar as: "This genjutsu will tell me where you hid the Rinnegan and afterwards, I'll end your life." But no, he said her LIFE would end and THEN talked about gaining information on the whereabouts of the Rinnegan. It isn't speculation; the wording he used is literal evidence. --Axel Carnage (talk) 04:23, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

second meet
are you the other administrator in this wiki

what is that sysop

Kekkei Tōta
I've been thinking of what could be a kekkei tōta, mostly based on what Shikaku said about it. It suggests that no other kekkei tōta is widely known. So I was thinking something like Crystal Release could be one (I don't recall it being called a kekkei genkai), although that raises the problematic question of "Why didn't Guren utilize any of its component natures?" At the same time, although very unlikely, Sasuke's Blaze Release could be some kind of Fire+ Lightning+Yin kind of thing, assuming that it is a newly-developped ability, or simply unknown to most of the world (also taking into account of the mention that Mangekyō Sharingan users have unique abilities, except Madara). I don't personally believe this, but it's a possibility. --GoDai (talk) 05:29, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I developed the idea of Crystal being a kekkei tōta soon after the concept was revealed, and after I realized it was never called a kekkei genkai, we simply labeled it so due to it being an advanced nature. Also, another crazy possibility is that the Deva Path, which is called 天道 Tendo (Heaven Path), has the ability to use 天遁 (Tenton; Heaven Release), which allows the user to manipulate "heavenly forces." Although this sounds way out there, all we know about the Six Paths is based on the limited info given and what we have seen, and "the Six Paths abilities" have not been outright labeled, meaning there is the tiny possibility of the Deva Path specifically having the ability to use thsi hypothetical nature. I got this idea after Kishi revealed "explosive chakra" and "magnetic chakra" to be natures, something most of us had seen as a possibility, but feared at the same time. Considering how Kishi names the kanji for the natures, Wind+Lightning=Heaven could make a lot of sense, although not appealing either. --GoDai (talk) 19:55, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Elemental Composition
Omnibender, you probably at least know who I am, right? Well, I'm an admin on Sonic Fanon Wiki, which has pages for elements and elemental techniques as well. The SFW takes inspiration (and to a lesser degree techniques) from the elemental Natures of Naruto. I saw the tremendous amount of work you put into the charts and description of all of the advanced natures you described, both canon and ones from your own imagination. As such, it would be a big help- heck, even an honor- if you could come to Sonic Fanon Wiki and look over our own element pages. I myself have put quite a bit of work into each of them, and critique from someone such as yourself would be much apreciated.--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 01:12, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Very well. On Sonic Fanon Wiki, there are ten base elements: Fire, Earth, Water, Wind, Ice, Electricity, Light, Darkness, Poison, and Nature. Each article is marked by the name of the element, followed by "(Element)", such as Fire (Element). Each of these have nine combination elements, as well as a few advanced elements; such examples of advanced elements would be Napalm and Blood. While the ten base elements have been created and a few advanced elements as well, not all of them have a great amount of detail. However, I hope there is enough for you to judge and give an idea of how to improve them.--Kagi <font color="#FF0000">mizu -<font color="#008000">Seeya <font color="#FFA500">'round 02:03, July 19, 2011 (UTC)