Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-6769189-20181007204454

Ruthlessleader wrote:

Where? I hope you know toneri was using his telekinesis to levitate rocks? Even if you can prove that they were in zero G, How do you explain Naruto controlling his body as if he were flying, considering that he pushes off of nothing and therefore his net movement will be zero? Not sure where you are getting the idea that telekinesis was used on the debri because this was never stated or shown to be an ability of Toneri's. Anyways, even after losing the Tenseigan the debris was still floating.

Ruthlessleader wrote:

Then how did asura gain spsm? He wasn't a jinchuuriki of any tailed beast, and he didn't have six paths chakra which may make him able to enter spsm. I think the easiest answer may be that hagoromo gave him six paths sage chakra. And below you state that the databook says that hagoromo gave naruto spsm, so which one is it? Asura was never shown or stated to have any form of SPS

Ruthlessleader wrote:

Maybe you're correct on most of this. But about Hagoromo giving naruto Spsm, that's not really correct. The shikamaru hiden(which is canon) novel suggests that having the chakra of all nine tailed beasts is also a requirement to obtain this mode. And why would Kishimoto make obito giving naruto the one and eight tails chakra a plot point? the only thing that hagoromo gave naruto was the six paths yang seal and jumpstart spsm. The databook outright states than Hagoromo gave Naruto SPSM.

The Yang Seal was for 6 Paths Chibaku Tensei. It was stated nowhere to be a part of SPSM.

Ruthlessleader wrote:

Ah yes, Momoshiki sees the chakra of the final tailed beast he needs to create a chakra fruit. Mind you, kurama's chakra could have accounted for over 90% of all the tailed beast chakra and momoshiki was just interested in gaining the chakra of the fox, so moot point. Even if it was over 90% he still would have seen the others. Momoshiki wanted to get all of the power that Kaguya had.

Ruthlessleader wrote:

Or the cloaks really don't matter at all. Only thing we need is him performing spsm abilities or having cross eyes w/o pigmentation. And you know that the un-highlighted face was retconned away right? Also, are you contradicting yourself? The cloak not mattering is the point i was trying to make >.>

As for the cloaks face being unhighlighted being a retcon, this isnt true. Naruto's cloak post war was Kurama Mode. The one from thw end of the war was made from all that Tailed Beasts chakra.

Ruthlessleader wrote:

As far as I'm concerned the gedo mazo was never described as a chakra mixer, it was only the husk of the ten tails. Without it, the Juubi itself couldn't be revived. And the manga already shows that that juubi chakra still had the tailed beasts consciousness as they struggled to break free when naruto hit kaguya with the tailed beast rasenshuriken. so yeah, juubi chakra can still be formed yet the tailed beasts have their concsiousness, only difference with naruto is that he cooperates with them. Because putting the cjakra back in its original body and bringing the Juubi back to its original state of being doesnt mix the chakra back together?

They didnt have consciousness when Kaguya became unstable. They didnt speak or try to escape or anything of the sort. Even while im that state Kaguya was still in control, attacking team 5 and attempting to steal their chakra. When Obito took some of Shukkaku's and Gyuki's chakra, they were shown to be a big, jacked up amalgamous blob of all the beasts. So yea they were mixed together.

Ruthlessleader wrote:

Except the canon novel shikamaru hiden proves you wrong on that. having the tailed beast chakra gives you spsm. On this very wiki, naruto is called the human pillar of the ten tails power. The tailed beasts can use their own chakra individually because naruto cooperates with them. Someone provided the passage earlier

''There were also remmants of the other 8 bijuu inside him as well. In a way, you could say he was a human pillar for the power of the Ten Tails. In the last war, Obito had become a human pillar for the Ten Tails....''

The bolded parts are telling us that he isnt literally true.

Ruthlessleader wrote:

What? It has ties in that naruto did something he was previously never shown to do before the spsm amp like him restoring kakashi's eyeball or saving gai's life, Naruto had never shown any ability like this, It's safe to assume naruto could do it because of the understanding of all universal things amp he got in spsm. Naruto's random phasing ability wasnt came after a 2 year time skip and was never used while in SPSM. Doesnt seem to have a relation to SPSM.

Ruthlessleader wrote:

You make it sound like pre spsm war arc naruto could do that as well. He actually used a vaguely similar ability to pull out the Bijuu from Obito.

Ruthlessleader wrote:

That feat required naruto to Grasp the nature of chakra and comprehend all universal things. As confirmed by no one and nothing. Total speculation.