Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-24886865-20171122234112/@comment-24886865-20171215055213

AsianReaper wrote: Nerosmoke wrote: I like how you bring up the second fight while igoring the 1st where kakashi lost hard and even said he would have died with out the help of Naruto I brought up the last fight because it was relevant. Because it was when Kakashi was at his utmost seriousness. In the first fight, he acknowledges that he let his guard down and hadn't faced anyone of Zabuza'a level in a long time. He would have died with that mistake had it not been for Naruto. But when Naruto let Kakashi go, Kakashi wiped the floor with Zabuza. And he did it in the second fight too. Basically, serious Kakashi wins against Zabuza.

As for the rest of your argument, honestly just believe what you want. It's pretty obvious you won't budge on them, so I'll just disagree. Cheers.

And then after the fight Haku told Zabuza he was under mind control and that was why he lost. the whole second fight was Zabuza was blinding himself and Kakashi had to use dogs to find him. if Kakashi fought edo Zabuza in the mist with sunglasses on with no back up or sensor ninjas or dogs Zabuza wins and Kakashi would not even try to fight him head on like that.

It's not a matter of beliving, it more of a matter of the Jinin page is missing all of his Jutsu and should be updated. but for some reason no one is doing it. and progress needed to be made on the wiki.