Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-142748-20150410212019/@comment-142748-20150413075106

Trappedinmygenjutsu wrote: I am not crating some magical Itachi here. Itachi before he died was able to use Ameterasu, Shadow clones, Tsukuyomi, Susanoo and other jutsu all in the same fight and he only died from illness at the end. People stating that Itachi had low stamina is hyperbole in itself, in the manga it is clear that Itachi has the chakra reserves to use several high level chakra taxing moves until he runs out. Did you see the scale of the ameterasu Itachi used (it covered the entire mountain area), and this would be able to counter most of Hashirama's mokuton techniques. Itachi's stamina is 2.5, its not a hyperbole. He's has low stamina. In his final battle, he used no shadow clones at all. Zetsu explicitly said the first part of their battle was ENTIRELY within genjutsu, so any 'shadow clones' created were within said genjutsu, thus illusions.

Three usages of his Mangekyo brought him to the red (one Tsukuyomi and two Amaterasu), and Susanoo pushed him over said edge. It wasn't just his disease that killed him, it was his stamina problems.

And finally, you are making a magical Itachi. You're inflating his abilities, ignoring how his body acts and reacts after each Mangekyo usage, and even ignore that even as an Edo Tensei, his Susanoo takes time to form his Totsuka Sword. Itachi does not need to destroy, scracth or even climb Shinsusenju, he simply needs to do what Hashirama does (ride it as it is forming) and this would provide a pivotal chance for Itachi to strike, as Hashirama has no where to run and he has limited the angles that he can strike Itachi from. Madara used 5 clones to crate five Susanoos, so I don't see your notion where Itachi can't summon Susanoo for a few seconds using a Shadow clone. If he uses a Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu before hand, none of his cloens will able to use Susanoo. Madara has extremely high chakra reserves, hence why his clones are capable of using Susanoo, he can put enough chakra in them so they can manifest it. Itachi? He can barely maintain his OWN Susanoo, its realistic to think his clones can make them? Its not.

And unlike Orochimaru or Nagato, Hashirama isn't immobile on Mokujin or Shinsusenju. He'd catch Totsuka with the Hobi Technique or Mokujin's hands to stop Itachi's attempt to seal him. Especially since he'd be able to sense his chakra and react. How does Totsuka blade take a full minute to strike an opponent. Are you really saying that both Orochimaru and Nagato require a full minute in order to even react to Itachi using his Totsuka blade to strike them? ...Itachi's Susanoo was already entirely manifested by the time Orochimaru came out, remember? If he came out while it was forming, there'd be time for him to prepare. Not only that, Nagato, due to Kabuto's shoddy usage, was staring at the sky for a full minute after Chibaku Tensei was destroyed, giving Itachi enough time. Tsunade did not heal herself from Tsukuyomi did she? Doesn't matter, she's an inferior medic ninja to Hashirama. Hashirama can heal himself of the psychological damage. Wouldn't be surprising considering what his Healing Power is said to enable him to recover.

I'm done for the night, last post btw. Save any responses for tomorrow please?