Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-26636534-20160123130050

LoneNinja wrote:

1) When attempting to summon the Toad Sages, Jiraiya can ONLY summon one giant toad. If he could summon more, please provide a reference or a Manga chapter where it states this. This is a classic example of you making up a fact. You even go further stating that Jiraiya doesn't have the reserves to summon more toads and the sage toads, which is ridiculous. Jiraiya summoned one toad to allow him to be more mobile in Amegakure's unique terrain, not to go head on with pein. Jiraiya has SM, which means he has extreme reserves of chakra, furthermore if by your logic Jiraiya did not have enough chakra, how was he then able to use all of the techniques and sage jutsu's later?  If any other toad can help him besides these giant toads at the time during the Pein assault, please provide one.  Gama... 2) The way Itachi’s reflection works is that, the user must see the Genjutsu with their Sharingan to understand the fundamentals then reflect it back at the opponent. If you don’t understand that much, then explaining further would be a waste of time. You seem to forget that Itachi told Kurenai in Part 1 that her genjutsu is at a level that won't work on him, both Kabuto's and Jiraiya's genjutsu is at a much much higher level than hers. Itachi's reflection seems to only work on lower level genjutsu. 3 Also I do not make assumptions, you on the other hand stating it doesn’t take a lot of time to perform the summoning of the Toad Sages is a major assumption that cannot be proven. Most of your points are assumptions, so you just contradicted yourself again, and I never said that it doesn't take a lot of time to perform the summoning, just that we cannot be sure how long. Chiyo said Genjutsu itself can be combated with multiple targets, and that it requires contact between the two people by pouring their chakra into one another to disrupt the flow of chakra to break the Genjutsu. However how will Jiraiya deal with an instant Amaterasu flame and Genjutsu at the same time? Both are fast and instant, Nope, you are forgetting facts again, but let me remind you. According to Chiyo, sharingan genjutsu can be overcome by multiple allies: 1. When one gets caught in the genjutsu and the other attacks the caster, 2. When allies insert their own chakra to snap them out of genjutsu. Jiraiya has toads meaning he can use these two methods.

Itachi has not been shown to use Amaterasu and Genjutsu at the same time, so you cannot assume that(But you said you don't make assumptions). Amaterasu is not instantaneous as discussed in length in previous posts. The fact is Jiraiyas page does not have him having the Sealing scroll as a tool, with that being said on this wiki based on that logic he does not have that. It should be there, end of story. I will see that it is. 5) I think you do need to provide your intel since you just threw a fit about assumptions while you are making one lol. Contradiction much? What I said about Jiraiya's intel wasn't assumptions, it was facts, you on the other hand seem to think your ridiculous assumptions are facts. I don't think you understand the meaning of contradiction as well. Your entire post has been full of contradictions I am pretty reasonable, when facts are provided. With his Genjutsu abilities I can see him trapping multiple enemies in Genjutsu and this is possible especially when the enemies are slow because of the giant toads speed. Well your posts seem to say otherwise. Itachi has never been shown to be able to genjutsu multiple targets,(another assumption, lol). Please provide reference to the toads speed since you seem to be indicating that they are slow, which is not true.

I hope you realize that you cannot make up facts and forget some and then go on to say you only go off facts. Also saying you don't make assumptions then making them, could lead to some calling you a hypocrite. I suggest you follow all of my advise and you might find yourself becoming a more rounded individual.