Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-6769189-20200705100921/@comment-31715856-20200709231850

LegionZero wrote: You should give it a more careful read. I said they didnt have 6 Paths Senjutsu. Not that they didnt have 6 Paths Chakra

You should read more carefully. You said that Hagoromo and Hamura used "Six Paths Senjutsu chakra" to seal the Ten Tails, it's right there in the OP. They didn't. They used Six Paths chakra, because at least we know Hamura didn't have SPS chakra, and the seal they used is a YYR technique, not senjutsu (the databook lists it as only ninjutsu). That's my point, you're conflating Six Paths and SPS chakra.

According to the databook in order to get TSB one must have 6 Paths Senjutsu.

Sure and notice this: Sasuke has Six Paths chakra, but not Six Paths Sage Chakra. Hence why only people with SPS Chakra has the TSBs; Sasuke never does, because the Ten-Tails was never sealed into him and he doesn't have mastery of Sage Mode.

The databook disagrees with you.

No it doesn't. You're mistakenly treating things as the same that are not.

The anime still isnt canon. Rinnegan has nothing to do with learning senjutsu

That's not what I said. Let me make it clear. Hagoromo did not use Senjutsu pre-Jinchuriki, in the manga anyway it's not suggested. He and Hamura used a Six Paths technique, i.e. Yin-Yang Style, to seal away the Ten-Tails. No Senjutsu involved because that jutsu is not Senjutsu. Hence, Six Paths jutsu do not require having the ability to use Senjutsu at all (much less Six Paths Senjutsu), because Rinnegan users can still use such techniques. Sasuke is a prime example too: He has Six Paths chakra, not SP Senjutsu chakra.

Again the databook disagrees with you. It very explicitly states that SPSM came from Hagoromo, not 6 Paths chakra.

Yes, but *how* did it Hagoromo give it to Naruto? You keep repeating this without understanding what the databook meant. Naruto had Sage chakra, and the Biju chakra needed for SPSM. What he lacked was Six Paths chakra/skill in using it, which that form gives. This is spelled out in the description of Six Paths Sage Mode: it grants the user a complete understanding of how to manipulate chakra at the most fundamental level: The Six Paths/ Yin-Yang Style.

Also having 6 Paths Chakra and Senjutsu doesnt automatically grant 6 Paths Senjutsu.

Madara stole Hashirama's Sage Mode and didnt achieve SPS even though he had 6 Paths chakra

Because Madara did not have Six Paths chakra. He had Sage chakra and a Rinnegan, that's it.

Naruto is capable of using his regular Sage Mode still, so SPSM is a different ability altogether not achieved by simply entering Sage Mode while having 6 Paths Chakra

It's different because it is a state of mastery over the fundamental aspect of chakra: YYR. Of course it's different to regular Sage Mode.

That isnt what it says though. It just says the Sharingan uses Genjutsu which is Yin release. It doesnt say anything about the Senju clan or Yang Release.

It actually cites the Akimichi clan as having prmarily Yang release

You didn't read the article I linked very carefully because all of that is wrong. I'll quote it directly to clear this up:

"Later, the Uchiha Clan would tend to inherit the power of Yin Release, while the Senju Clan would tend to inherit the power of Yang Release"

These are tendencies, so bringing up people like Toka is kind of silly. It doesn't contradict anything, and the databook is very clear. As for the other clans, the article explains this directly:

"In this way, even if they aren't Uchiha or Senju, shinobi harness chakra, and in so doing harness the basis of jutsu, which is rooted in the fragments of Yin and Yang Release".

Of course other clans can use these. All jutsu use chakra, and the creation of chakra is a similar process to how Yin and Yang style chakra is formed.