Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26107879-20181004003653/@comment-34194151-20181130223326

@LegionZero Context. Obito was talking about his phasing speed. It's a battle of speed because once obito senses an attack, he can phase borderline instantly. Minato needs his FTG level 2, his fastest attack, in order to combat that effectively. That is a very different thing then running speed. there is zero evidence that they were using their top speed there. They were standing what? 18 feet away? Minato throws his kunai and then teleports to it like a few seconds after. Using your top running speed is also not critical if you have ever watched a boxing match or karate. If both characters are willing to come in close to each other for Close quarters combat, then running at your top speed is irrelevant because the fight switches to combat speed.

Like I said, be consistent. why didn't obito run circles into might guy's blind spot if he is as fast as minato? Having minato's running speed means you are faster than the 3 previous hokages. With that speed, base guy would have been warped away without any issue. Guy chased him down and stalemated him in CQC. Obito was never shown to be as fast as minato. why isn't he running circles around Fuu and Torune? why isn't he shit blitzing base kabuto? Obito's speed is hard to scale because his fighting style doesn't require him to move much in the first place.

Yes they are on the clock, which means there is no time for mistakes. Every second of analysis counts, and minato can't afford to be zipping around at his top speed when he doesn't understand the mechanics of kamui. He needs to be close to obito when he intiates ftg level 2 otherwise obito would have time to phase out. He needed to bait obito into materializing and he can't do that if he was zipping through obito at blistering speed, tunnel vision at all. FTG doesn't cause tunnel vision because it's instantenous movement.

The notion that raikiri boosts speed comes with a plethora of inconsistencies. Again, let's take a look at kakazu. Shikamaru was fast enough to escape kakazu's suprise attack. Izumo and kotetsu "kept up" with that same kakazu in speed. That same kakazu intercepted kakashi's raikiri before he could finish hidan. So now shikamaru is as fast as kakashi when he is wielding rakiri? izmuo and kotetsu are as fast raikiri kakashi because they ran at kakazu with the same speed and covering the same distance?Something is clearly amiss.

Second of all, Minato should be faster than kakashi in running speed, raikiri or not, yet he does not experience tunnel vision, and last I checked base minato doesn't have any enhanced sensory abilities or a sharingan, so that also debunks that he was using his top speed against obito. why would minato do the very same thing he told kakashi never to do again if his life, his family, his village are all on the line against "madara uchiha"

Of course he was gauging madara's abilities. Minato only knows of what madara can do from the legends, and clearly "madara" is immortal because he is still alive. He has no idea what "madara" is capable of in terms of jutsu and techniques, so he has to analyze.

Like I said, kcm naruto should have been running circles around him if he is using his top speed... By your own logic he should have been able to blitz slap roshi, not trade blows. Why not blitz into his blind spot and wack him in the head with rasengan, then pull the rod out while roshi is stunned/injured?

My point about sasuke and naruto is that it debunks the claim that the characters always use their top speed. Sasuke is completely irrelevant if naruto's goal is to use his absolute top speed. Forget amaterasu, leave sasuke in the dust, and charge at juubito with the rasenshuriken using his "yellow flash speed" Clearly, there are circumstances where the characters opt not to use their top speed.

As for handsigns, I can easily debunk this. Chapter 332 pg 11. We know for a fact Doton: domu requires at least one earth style handsign, yet he activates it with no shown handsign. Fast forward, and when the plot required it, we can see his hand seals when kakashi is watching him use it to protect himself from choji's attack. The characters can weave seals really fast and it's not always shown for cinematic purposes.

Again, the bigggest mistake I was making before was forgetting the nature of the attack. It's an assassination technique and any one can see and hear it coming from a mile away. You have to start the technique outside the attack range or it isn't gonna tag any decently skilled opponent. The speed closes the distance efficiently, which is why kakashi needs his top speed. Furthermore, the techinique is chakra intensive. Furthermore, it's a piercing move. Piercing moves benefit from increased speed to ensure you stab through your opponent for a certain kill. But without a sharingan, if your opponent reacts your screwed.

There is no evidence that sasuke is as fast as v1 ay. They both charged at each other and sasuke used his sharingan for combat speed to dodge the elbow. Ayy tanked chidori so that he could then transition into a body slam, because sasuke's hand was lodged into his body.

Want more proof the characters don't use their top speed always? Killer bee shunshined across a mountain when he attempted to escape and jugo didn't even notice. yet the whole rest of time they were fighting bee wasn't "running circles" around them, proving my point that using your top speed isn't always applicable in the heat of battle.