Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170909171417/@comment-5085906-20170913091859

Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: not really. I love his ass... way too much actually, and that keeps me from letting people hype him too much. look, if all that were to be true, then how come ay DID almost hit him? how come bee almost stabbed minato, even though minato had teleported right behind him? that obito scene was the exception, and not the rule. people seem to forget that. think bout this for a sec. like, just try and be logical bout it. if killer bee (younger than his prime) reacted to him, why couldn't prime hiruzen, who would most likely bee faster, and prolly stronger than that killer bee, not be able to react to him? I'm not saying Prime Hiruzen wouldn't be able to react to him. Databooks put his speed at 3 which is more than Sakura's current speed, so that at least implies he was a 5 during his prime. Plus, his reaction time during the Orochimaru fight was good enough even after it was established how much old age had taken a toll on him. Adding the number of hidden leaf jutsu that he can use and that makes him a beast. But he was not said to be a speedster, so we're gonna have to put his speed on Itachi's level.

I am against you downplaying Minato's opponents just to make your argument. You are downgrading Obito so hard by saying "oh he was 14 years old then" - yeah, a 14 year old MS user with a synthetic body made of the most powerful cells and who was clearly familiar with Minato's techs. Minato had a very short time to figure out his weakness and he did. And Zetsu himself said that he understood why Madara had chosen him after Obito's hidden potential was unlocked against those ANBU. That Obito who fought Minato is not the fumbling idiot that was previously in his team - it's a whole 'nother level.

And Ay was proclaimed to be the second fastest man while Minato was alive and Minato did not even break a sweat when countering his move. He could have easily bypassed his chakra cloak with a well-timed Rasengan since Jiraiya himself said that the Rasengan is stronger than the Chidori which was shown to barely penetrate Ay's shield. As for Bee, Bee is dumb. Minato's a prodigious talent that comes by only once a decade. I'll let you do the math on that.

You're really downgrading Minato's speed, though. The only person who was shown to be able to react to his attack was TTJ Madara and that due to Hashirama's superior Sage sensing which is further enhanced by TTJ.