Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36394790-20180824122210/@comment-31099706-20180905012234

CombatIQmatters wrote: @Blazerelease

Itachi trying to kill sasuke? This isn't debatable. It was clearly explained that itachi loved his younger brother, and was not trying to kill in the final battle, period. ITachi may have fired amaterasu at him, then he very clearly put out the flames, therefore no intent to kill. Therefore his feat of pulling off kirin against him doesn't suddenly translate to him doing to opponents who will be going for the kill from the get go. I have counters the rest of your points, but as both you and Ninja of War noted, it's best not to do this discussion here. I am tempted to make a thread on it. Itachi didn't try to kill Sasuke, but his plan wasn't to play with him. He was being serious, he had to bring out Orochinaru, please don't be like those trolls who say that Itachi could have killed Sasuke from the start, that's not possible, for even someone like Itachi. And no, he didn't put out the flames, people misunderstand Zetsu's words. Only MS Sasuke could do that. Itachi merely stopped using the flames/had stopped emitting those flames after hitting Sasuke. And no, there are many instances in Naruto where people just stand in shock while the opponent uses a final jutsu.

And I will be waiting for your counters at that thread(If you're making one)

@Ninja. I was mentioning the Sasuke's usage of his chakra control skills, as part of his skillset, which added to the rest of his collections will make a Kage. And then again, do you have an example for Shape Manipuation and Nature control that is of Kage Level?

Sasuke was just being dramatic during the battle Itachi vs Sasuke, for him, he knew this jutsu would end the battle, and it was quite fair, considering he thought the battle would be over, nonetheless he did keep a very safe distance against Itachi. He literally stated what will be happening, since he didn't know about Susanoo, he expected Itachi to die from that. In Naruto vs Sasuke, we see that he can easily use Kirin without the whole dramatic display, as both of them were two different situations.

Though if yoy're asking abiut that standing still logic, it's kind of a thing in Naruto, where when opponent goes for a big sometimes flashy move, the other just watches, maybe in curiosity ir maybe in respect. Examples are many, it's just a thing in many shows, maybe you can say the opponent is in caution of nearing the user of the said technique, because of the mysterious technique he is using, or maybe that even if the user is performing a technique, it doesn't mean he can't defend him/herself.

No, I'm not using it like that, I'm just stating, a guy like Itachi who has experience and is impressive in analysing the situation and in intellegence couldn't figure out Sasuke's trick until the end, he went onto help him, as Sasuke planned for, this was also not noticed by Black Zetsu nor Naruto. I'm just stating, if they couldn't how can the rest do? But yes, if by a slight chance they see through the trick, then maybe they can. But it all depends on their experience and knowledge and analysing ability over alot of things, which I for one, don't believe the Kages to have over Itachi, Naruto and Black Zetsu.

Interesting that you add on "Third party Intervention" when it was the Kages who had their bodyguards and samurais and knowledge over his abilities. If on a one on one battle, Hebi Sasuke could kill Gaara, Tsunade, Muu, but the two other can be debateble, because of their power, while the rest three have their weaknesses to be exploited.

To be honest, I don't want to discuss this any further, even in anither thread, but I might as well do it. So, I guess we'll return to the real discussion now?