Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34656247-20181008062436/@comment-6769189-20181013101401

CombatIQmatters wrote:

2) kakashi threw a smoke bomb at pain. chapter 423 pg 4. Read the manga smh. Ooooo he threw a smoke bomb. What does thus have to do with the fact that Kakashi was low on chakra 2 jutsu later?

CombatIQmatters wrote:

3) Lol no, you literally ignored black zetsu's point on chapter 391 pg 6 that it reaches the ground in 1/1000th of a second and that is why it's unevadeable, that's a clear concession for me. natural lightning moves that fast. Kakazu's technique isn't natural lightning nor was it ever stated to be as fast as normal lightning. even if what you said is true regarding sasuke giving the lightning bolt more power and area of effect, which is probably the case,  Kirin's speed is the same as natural lightning. nothing says that the area of effect was unavoidable, the problem was the speed. the proof is that sasuke and zetsu weren't hit directly by the lightning bolt, only itachi was. Black zetsu never said it moved so fast because natural lightning is faster than ninjutsu lightning. The only difference he noted between chakra made lightning and natural lightning is the scale of the attack.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

4) Nope, my explanation is actually less convoluted than yours. naruto chapter 141 15-16 kakashi clearly made two shadow clones. his original was STANDING ON THE WATER watching itachi No idea what you are reading. The Kakashi that was on the water behind Itachi was the real one. Kakashi made 1 shadow clone to help Asuma.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

the SECOND itachi moved on to the water, saying "this is the end for you". The panel before that shows asuma clearly watching kurenai as well as she was kicked, kisame even scolds asuma for not paying attention, so you literally made up the fact that asuma wasn't looking at kurenai and itachi. Asuma was only looking at Kurenai when she got kicked. Then kisame got his attention back THEN Itachi showed up behind her. He could have made a clone anytime from the kick to Itachi showing up behind her. Asuma was either looking at Kurenai or trying not to get shaved up by Kisame so Itachi could have gone anywhere and no one would have noticed

CombatIQmatters wrote:

there is literally no time for itachi to have made the clone. and if he did, all your proving is his apparent ridiculous speed. kishimoto can't even show the guy's clone formations on panel. Your explanation basically says he got underwater without anyone noticing when we can see that that is physically impossible with all the eyes watching him. What eyes? Asuma was fighting Kisame and Kurenai was trying to get back up

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Whereas my explanation actually is based on already shown feats. naruto spawning clones behind zabuza. kakashi swapping places with a naruto clone during their first bell test. Cool story bro but there was never a clone behind Kakashi.

In order for Itachi to substistitute with the clone in your scenario, itachi would have to run around Kakashi while his clone ran around the other way while Kakashi watched and Kurenai watched from like 3 feet away. This is more impossible than Itachi creating a clone when he kicked Kurenai.

We also know for a fact that the Itachi clone standing in front of Kakashi never moved because there was no ripples under his feet but there was under the real Itachi's feet

CombatIQmatters wrote:

5) LOL! kabuto dodged itachi? give me a break. he clearly got his horn cut off multiple times. Itachi was setting up izanami, and used the horn cutting as the physical sensation. Jeez, that was like one of the most important parts of itachi and sasuke's victory over kabuto, and you missed that. if itachi was bloodlusted, replace sasuke's sword with the totsuka blade and kabuto is dead. how is this even a debate? Itachi has shown twice he can get his clones or his real self behind his opponents. you literally are speculating around at this point and even denying clear on panel feats because you can't deny the fact that whether or not it was a feat of speed or skill, itachi accomplished the feat, and kabuto is a master sensor due to being a perfect sage. itachi is getting behind the naraka path, unless you have a better rebuttal than this. Kabuto got tagged, period. IT's shown on panel. Idk what to tell you if you still can't see that. If itachi can cut off his horn with a sword that he can put that same sword through kabuto's skull. I guess you also missed the part where itachi said that they cannot kill kabuto because they needed to end the edo tensei... And lol, itachi was standing next to sasuke the whole time when itachi first used the crow feint. They were talking to each other strategizing. absolutely no evidence he moved. Then yet sasuke tells him kabuto is grabbing the sword. When did itachi move and create a clone? Sage mode kabuto is also watching both sasuke and itachi yet he didn't see it. It's a clear as day speed feat and or skill feat that he was able to feint kabuto and get behind him, and snipe his horn off in that short amount of time, doesn't matter if it was a clone or subsitution to be honest. he is clearly fast either way you put it, so this whole part two itachi being slow/ having no speed feats or whatever it is you claimed is debunked. they also clearly told us in the canon that edo tensei makes you slightly weaker when madara was revived by rinne rebirth. While itachi's sickness was healed, that is offset by edo tensei lowering his stats a bit. He is objectively quick and to the point. If itachi was so fast he wouldnt need a distraction/diversion. He could have kicked him in the chest twice and would have had the same effect but hes not fast enough to make that happen.

And would have reacted to Kabuto slicing him up but no, he was there getting punked. Couldnt dodge at all from attack that came in front of him while he was completely unhindered.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

6) lol also no. a 30 percent clone of itachi created by nagato was fighting granny chiyo, sakura, kakashi, and naruto in part two. itachi was not in the least impressed by this purportedly faster kakashi. Itachi wasn't even taking that fight too seriously, as he smiled when naruto hit him with the rasengan. Why would he be concerned? He was a clone. Kakshi didnt do bad at all in their short physical scuffle.8n part 1 Kakashi couldnt keep up. The clone had 30% chakra supply but not 30% strength/speed, etc etc

On another note Itachi didnt really care if he won that fight or not. He placed his crow and delayed them long enough that it didnt matter if they defeated him or not.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

I suggest you rewatch naruto vs pain. the animal summons clearly poofed once animal path died. I asked this beacause i didnt feel like looking it up not, not to claim its not true

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Have you ever swam underwater? If you had you would know that you can look up under water and see what's going on above you. Sorry but i really am unsure about what you are talking about with this sentence.