Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34752936-20180221075521/@comment-33286580-20180305220139

@Rachin

maybe i worded the Raikage bit slightly wrong... i wasnt talking in standpoint of spped to be precise. i was talking about intent of attack. the punch was to knock out Naruto while Hell Stab 1 Finger was to do him in. both times the attack was on Naruto. it makes a tiny bit of difference.

Dodai decieved the Raikage here, or more like decieved the pupet he had become. the raikage wasnt really thinking. Kabuto was doing the thinking here. Raikage was all about attacking Naruto, that was the Raikage's command. Dodai pulled one over the Raikge. the Raikage didnt see the shift and continued to chase the rubber ball that he himself had punched far away. i will give it for Dodai on this one.

you also agree on the distance part. there was distance and that gave the tiny bit of advantage Dodai needed.

the thing that i want to convey is the skill, not decieving and such.

with Naruto, the two were charging at each other with intend to end it. Naruto dodged the Hell Stab at literal point blank and while at it made his attack too. that is the point.

7Gate Gai has speed, but not Raikage level speed. close enough. but still the reaction time of Naruto beats that speed.

Gai has spped. but seped so far has not translated to reaction time. Minato is not physically the fastest ninja, but with his reaction time and use of FTG he dodges the fastest ninja at point blank. Gai has no feats that show his enhanced reaction time.

hirudora didnt kill kisame because the giant water shark took most of the damage? agreed to an extent.

but doesnt that also work for Naruto. actually it would be way better for him. ultra Big ball Rasengan and Rasenshuriken are clearly greater in power than the water shark... the former is known to cave in mountains and the latter is a highly dense and super rotating wind shuriken.

also, at close range, if you must, when Gai goes for Hirudora, Naruto can go for Frog Kata. a blast of invisible NE could counter air pressure. it will be full counter from my understanding... but even if not to the full extent, it will still certainly do away with majority of the power of the Hirudora. if a weakened Hirudora cannot kill Kisame, it so as hell not killing Naruto and with SM durability it wont even do that great of a damage.

the Hinata situation... it was extended in anime. in manga she was done in by one attack. Pein didnt toss her around. and do you really think Pein would waste his power on her when she knows she is no threat. he all but seemed to focused on aggravating Naruto.

the Naruto clone situation... that was the finale. Pein clearly understood so. i mean Naruto didnt look like he could go on anymore in SM so this was Pein's final chance and after he was almost defeated he is too clearly put all he has into that attack. now, the clones did help Naruto, but they werent taking the brunt of the attack. they were rooting Naruto in his place. 6tail Naruto countered SHinra Tensei by applying equal and opposite force. this Naruto had no such thing. the original was taking the entire brunt of the force from the SHinra Tensei. he withstood it. the clones just kept him in place so that he wasnt blown away and couldnt make a counter in that small time frame between Deva Paths recharge time.

and what do you mean Naruto wasnt directly in its range? the attack was focused on Naruto and the original was the one upfront.