User talk:Omnibender/Elemental recomposition table

Ideas, although incomplete.
I also personally think there should be a Swamp Release somewhere, maybe in place of Mercury. I also had a short discussion with ShounenSuki about Pain's Deva Path powers on his wall, and it is a viable theory that the Deva Path's abilities may be "Heaven Release," as we have seen Explosion and Magnetism have their revelations too. --GoDai (talk) 09:21, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fire + Lightning + Water = I'm thinking of some kind of superconductive liquid, but nothing comes straight into my mind. Maybe something that corrodes and channels electricity. Also, if you've noticed, Fire-Lightning-Water/Ice is a very popular trinity in popular culture.
 * Wind + Earth + Yin = Pressure/Weight. It wouldn't be exactly the same as Nagato's abilities, since those revolve around himself. This nature would somehow add weight into things. The wind nature would allow the chakra to phase into the target.
 * Wind + Earth + Yang = Weathering. The earthen dust would act on solid materials, powered by Yang. Fills in for the previous dust ideas, although Water also is related to weathering.
 * Wind + Water + Yin = An advanced Ice, "冷" or "凍"; Cold or freezing. All three elements fit, even Yin with its cold theme.
 * Wind + Water + Yang = I personally think "wave" goes here, and Water+Yang should be something else. I keep imagining ripples across a pond for this triple combination, although you do already have pulse.
 * Lightning + Earth + Yin = Shatter (or something similar). Like how Lightning creates fissures in Earth, but using Yin to manipulate that form and applying it to other targets to shatter them instantly.
 * Lightning + Earth + Yang = Quake. "震" means "thunder," and "地震" means earthquake. The Yang would provide the force. It also forms a duality with Shatter. I'm thinking something similar to the Gura Gura no Mi in One Piece.
 * Lightning + Water + Yin = Something to do with electrolysis, obvious with the first two elements, and along with Yin to control the form of the dividing process. However, I have no idea how to express "電解" in one kanji. Th division into hydrogen and oxygen gases could be used for a wide variety of other things.
 * Lightning + Water + Yang = Something to do with the relationship between Water and Light. Storm also had a light-like appearance. Related to reflection and/or refraction. Refraction Release? Haven't looked into the kanji yet. Might end up not fitting.
 * Bump~ Any thoughts? --GoDai (talk) 00:45, August 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Fire/Lightning/Water is one of the toughest combinations to crack. The one thing I managed to think that had a viable connection to these three is something that is something that is very shaky, which is some sort of holiness. In different religions, you see Holy Fire, Holy Water, and in some, lightning is considered holy as well.
 * I once considered Pressure for something involving Wind Release. Maybe density?
 * Considering Yang in Wind/Earth/Yang, I'd think something that is either very strong or else related to some sort of creation, since Yang has to do with life-giving and all that.
 * I'm beginning to consider putting something like Fluid or Flow for Water/Wind/Yin, which is something I always left benched. I can't think of anything else that fits well enough. Wind would act in that "letting something enter something else" way on Yin, which would work with water to make things melt. Kinda like turning stuff into liquid, but not through heating, just making it melt.
 * I see why you would associate wind with waves. No idea on this one though.
 * Shattering is an idea, but I think it might be too close to Crystal Release, which was also used that way. Crystallise something and then shatter it.
 * I seriously have no idea on what to do with Lightning/Earth/Yang. I see where you come from with Quake (powerful vibration in the earth), but it feels too close with Earth for me.
 * If only hydrogen had good kanji for this situation, this would totally fit. Hydrogen is a charged particle made from liquid.
 * I think something with reflection is kinda covered with Mirror Release already.

The thing about a Heaven Release is that it would mean the Rinnegan allows the use of another kekkei genkai, or in another case a kekkei tōta, which I don't really see happening. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:10, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Fire+Lightning+Water=Purification. I was thinking about what you said about holiness, and I thought about what those holy objects are often used for. Izanagi washed his face with sacred water after he came out of Yomi, and fire often has something to do with removing impurities, and along with lightning, it is associated with refining. Also, dōjutsu are also by-products of kekkei genkai, and Blaze Release apparently came out of Sasuke's eyes, so I wouldn't be that concerned with Heaven, although not entirely favorable, or even likely. --GoDai (talk) 03:38, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Concerning Mercury
When I made that suggestion I never really meant you create the metal mercury. The user can manipulate any solid(Earth) object and liquefy it(Water) and manipulate(Yin) that liquefied object for whatever purposes. Another thing, that same combo can be Poison release. Earth is diluted in Water in which the solution is transformed(Yin) into Poison.As for the earth wind yin/yang, I am currently thinking of something involving free radicals in particular free radical oxygen, when I come up with something I will post.Umishiru (talk) 01:43, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't remember you suggesting me to create a mercury nature. Ever since I began the three-element combination table, I fine-combed every conversation regarding opinions, and I don't recall mercury coming up. A quick text search doesn't show any mention of mercury in the wiki I don't know of already. I don't think I'll list a poison nature for reasons in a section above this one. Besides, mercury can act as a poison already. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:36, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Omnibender/Elemental_recomposition_table/Archive_4#Concerning_Gaara I also gave you the current combo for metal but I don't care about that.Umishiru (talk) 05:32, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bump.Umishiru (talk) 00:14, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Trust me, I know about free oxygen radicals. I had a subject in college two semesters ago, almost half of it involved free oxygen radicals in one way or another. The most immediate thing that comes to mind when thinking about free radicals have either something to do with metabolism or with decay in general, which you supplied me with Rust Release already. For natures involving wind chakra, I'm trying to think stuff in which wind would carry the other effects into something else, kinda like what I think happens in Scorch Release (wind takes fire into something, heating it up) or what might happen if Magnet Release turns out to be wind and lightning (wind carrying the electric effect without the electricity). The part about a poison nature, I already gave arguments to someone else about four sections above. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:52, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL, thats not what I posted a reply for, I understand your reasons for not having those natures, I was bumping for the link I posted concerning Mercury.Umishiru (talk) 14:08, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see where you come from for a poison nature, but for reasons I used in four or five sections above, I don't think poison is a nature I'll be adding any time soon. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:24, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Poison nature? No no I am posting concerning this: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Omnibender/Elemental_recomposition_table/Archive_4#Concerning_GaaraUmishiru (talk) 01:25, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * About Mercury there? What you suggested there was combinations between advanced natures, and a combination that I ended up using for Mirror Release. I'm considering the "making stuff into liquid effect" for a currently vacant combination. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:43, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Confusion
What is the difference between Freezing Release and Frost Release? Also, what kind of properties could Forest and Eruption Release have compared to their weaker counterparts? --私は何ができますか？ どうすればいいでしょうか？殺す. 14:13, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * They're pretty much similar things with different names really. All the "stronger counterparts" are basically what Blaze is to Fire. More powerful. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:39, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Ideas Pt. 3
Wind + Earth + Yang = Animate/Vital/Spirit Release. Breath(Wind) of Life(Yang) that is manipulated into solid form(Earth). Objects that aren't alive or manipulated through other elements gain of life or their own like what Chiyo tried to do for the puppets. Or a Soul(Wind, Yang) is created which can enter solid(Earth) forms and do whatever or what the user commands.

Wind + Earth + Yin = Malfunction/Break/Glitch/Flaw release. Sand is known to have caused malfunction in the circuitry of the technology it enters. Example WW2 North Africa campaign where it is said sandstorms stops battles because of general blindness and malfunction of tech from sand getting in. Basically Sand(Earth, Wind) + energy sucking quality (Yin) or instead of that a form of energy that causes things to malfunction. Sand(Wind, Earth) that is transformed into a light brownish to white/black energy that causes objects to malfunction. Another way of saying it a form of energy that flows(Wind) into a object and solidifies(Earth) and causes it to malfunction either through sucking energy or reversing the process of how a object functions(Yin).Umishiru (talk) 20:23, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

If I didn't have Soul Release for Wind/Yin/Yang, that would have been a terrific idea. The crumble idea I might use, I just need to see if it's different enough from Implosion, though I think it'll be. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:25, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

I am not thinking of crumble but more of the target not working correctly or at all or backfiring. Something like that.Umishiru (talk) 19:07, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

It's an idea, though I think that like Aurora, it's something I'll have to find a fitting proxy, something that sounds more like an element. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:44, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

More on Natures
Well I like what you did with Dawn, and I think Kishi is eventually going to have to do what he did with Boil and Storm; Their names don't really sound like new natures, but their effects definitely say otherwise. Wind+Water+Yang could be "Typhoon" but have a completely different effect.--GoDai (talk) 08:03, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fire + Lightning + Water = The three have purifying/refining qualities, which I think is a good discovery.
 * Wind + Earth + Yin = Density is a good idea, since Wind is related to pressure and Earth has been mentioned to manipulate the density of earth also. Yin has an inward motion feel, as well as the form manipulation aspect.
 * Wind + Water + Yin = I think fluidifying things would be fitting. Yin would be used instead of Fire (Heat) to change things into liquids and/or gases.
 * Lightning + Earth + Yin = Battery? Leyden jar? Yin represents gentle, calm, still, silent, motionlessness. So I think it could be some form of lightning stored within an earthen medium, used to power other things. Just another idea.
 * Lightning + Earth + Yang = Shockwave (衝擊波)? A shock wave carries energy and can propagate through a medium or through a field such as the electromagnetic field in some cases. Although this sounds a bit related to wind. I find that shockwave could be placed in several different spots.
 * Lightning + Water + Yin = ...Hydrogen... only if you could do something like what you did with Aurora/Dawn.
 * Lightning + Water + Yang = Refraction then? Or maybe Glass do that as well.

Idea pt. 4
Water + Lightning + Yang = Melt/Solvent Release. The idea is that lightnings ability to vibrate/oscillate is passed on to water increasing water's natural ability to break down substances aka universal solvent. This vibration is enhanced through Yang. Basically allowing the user to liquefy objects and manipulate them for various purposes.Umishiru (talk) 19:13, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * You suggested that effect to me before, it's in the fourth archive. I'm considering that result, through a different mechanic, for a Wind/Water/Yin combination: the wind would have the "carry the effect into something else" thing, yin would change the form of something to that of a liquid, making stuff melt. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:44, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Ideas, although incomplete.
Fire+Lightning + Water = I think that can be Bite (かむ, Kamu) creating a Bite Release(む遁, Muton) Wind + Earth + Yin = Like you say that can be Pressure (高圧, Kōatsu) creating a Pressure Release (圧遁, Aton) Wind + Earth + Yang = Weathering: I get not idea...

Ideas Pt.5
Wind + Earth + Yang = Salt Release. The idea is that since in Naruto Earth trumps Water through most likely by soaking it up, this aspect is enhanced by Yang. The idea is a physical version of Scorch release in terms of effect as Salt is needed in the body to regulate water levels and also the opposite of Scorch by taking out salt of the body causing the opposite of dehydration known as Water Intoxication: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication where basically the body drowns from its own water reserves. Basically a element slowing the user to manipulate the Fluid balance of a object or person: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_balance besides what other properties salt has. Now you have three idea sections to read(I posted a response on section idea pt.3)oops. Umishiru (talk) 21:31, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Or for Wind + Earth + Yang = Sugar release. Earth(Earth lol) particles(Wind) are transformed into a substance that gives energy(Yang) when in the body. We know that sugar grants to temp boost in energy levels.Umishiru (talk) 21:36, August 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * The only problem with Salt is "Brine" is written with the kanji for "Salt" and "Water," and the kanji being used for Brine Release is salt. Therefore, it also counts as a Salt Release, unless a better kanji is found. --GoDai (talk) 23:24, August 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand but I would prefer if Omni would give his opinion.Umishiru (talk) 00:56, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

What about for kanji: http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/graphics/r_tsuchihen.jpg for salty taste or table salt. Look I am not a expert or a know how in any foreign language at all, that is why I don't try to enter such discussions, I would prefer if you would lay such issues to a japanese language expert like ShounenSuki.Umishiru (talk) 01:02, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

What GoDai said is correct about brine, I've told you that myself once already, it's in the Ideas Pt.2 topic, which is now in archive 5. That kanji is basically the kanji for earth when used as a radical in other kanji. The kanji for salt, used in Brine Release has it, as well as the one for Land Release. Sugar is an idea, but I think that it may depart too much from the effects of the other two, kinda like ShounenSuki's Chaos Release idea for Fire/Water/Lightning. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:44, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

How about this for Sugar Release. Wind is generally seen a free unhindered energetic force in nature. This energy is passed on to Earth and enhanced by Yang.Umishiru (talk) 00:42, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Water/Lightning/Yang, and others
I was thinking about something like refraction, and manipulating wavelengths of light. I tried to simplify that into one kanji with a traditional, symbolic representation, and I came up with Rainbow (虹; Niji). Not sure if it's the perfect fit, but it's an idea. --GoDai (talk) 07:57, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Also, in the Greek elements, there are those four qualities that distinguish the elements, and the kanji commonly used to describe these are: hot (溫; warm), dry (乾; dry), cold (冷; cool), and wet (濕; damp). I thought some of these could be used; Wind/Earth/Yin could be a Dryness Release, the ability dry any object instantly, and maybe turn living things like trees into dry powder. --GoDai (talk) 08:22, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I like the dry idea, I found, which I saw can also be translated as "arid". Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:28, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oh that sounds fitting. Oh and by the way, "乾" does mean "Heaven" sometimes (As in the Eight Trigrams use). However, I'm pretty sure it means "dry" in most (modern) cases, and I don't really know any other kanji that mean anything along the lines of "dry." --GoDai (talk) 08:15, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

The one thing that puts a chink in this idea is that Yang is the principle associated with dryness, Yin is associated with dampness. I'll probably use it anyway. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:57, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oh that's interesting. It could pose a minor problem, but I wouldn't be too worried since traditionally, Yang is associated with the mind while Yin to the body. Kishimoto seems to have his own plans for Yin and Yang, and while it would be nice if the natures showed alignment with the traditions, I wouldn't be too worried if they didn't match up. --GoDai (talk) 07:46, August 24, 2011 (UTC)

Brine, Salt, and Bases and Alkali
I was thinking that if there's Boil Release which controls acid, a nature with the effects of utilizing bases or alkali could be a theory, but I ran into a problem. "Basic" is "塩基性" which has the kanji for "Salt" in it, meaning it conflicts with Brine. Now I'm kinda agreeing with Umishuru in thinking "塩遁" should be something about salt, bases or alkali. I personally don't see the strong connection with Yin to Brine, since although I do understand the form-changing part, the manipulation of the concentration of a particular solute in water doesn't seem to be Yin's thing.

Or as an alternative, we could work on a metaphorical name for a base-controlling release, since Boil is metaphorical too. --GoDai (talk) 21:50, August 18, 2011 (UTC)