Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-1018594-20150821001654/@comment-25626003-20150822151753

Sasukeuzumaki22 wrote: Honestly assuming tobi wasn't there sasuke still would of won. Yes it still be due to plot cause he is necessary its just ppl wouldn't complain about the battle itself. Put tobi in any of sasukes battles and someone could argue that he only won cause of plot if sasuke was alone with danzo he still would of won except no one would be blaming the victory on tobi cause he wouldn't be there it's all about perception when it comes to character strengrh complaining about plot armor is moronic what did yu expect he is the main character he won officially due to his skill that's what Kishi is trying to say wether or not yu read into it as plot armor then virtually any battle of any main character is plot armor. Also who hell is expects Kishi to write on the level of Tolkien on a goddam anime meant for younger viewers so obviously main characters will have some luck It's not that you're wrong in what you're saying, but you're still not gonna reasonably disprove the fact that Sasuke was plot shielded. It doesn't have to be a means of downplaying Sasuke if you don't want it to be; Sasuke's still one of the strongest shinobi in the series. That said, Danzō would've reasonable killed him if Shisui's eye been active and Tobi wasn't present. Those are important factors, and are valid reasons for Danzō holding back strength. Given that this is the only fight where we saw somewhat close to Danzō's level of ability, I can safely say on this thread topic that Jiraiya would win with Sage Mode but wouldn't be an easy task. If Danzō could push MS Sasuke the way he did with his restraints, Jiraiya would reasonably have a tough go of it.