Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-26107879-20160123200026

@Ninja of war

1) The fact that you say Itachi can Genjutsu multiple targets is an assumption because he was never shown too is exactly like you saying Jiraiya can summon Multiple Giant Toads and the Toad Sages when that was never shown. This is a contradiction. Contradiction, a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another. You presented a statement about Itachi multiple times saying things are assumptions because he was never shown to do it but then go ahead and say things about Jiraiya doing things that he was never shown doing while stating them as a fact. This is a contradiction. Summoning a Giant toad, doing a fire technique, a hair technique, Barrier, and a few Shadow Clones isn’t going to drain him. I also think you greatly underestimate how much chakra exerts from summoning a Giant Toad. In Part 1 Naruto still had massive reserves, yet he needed Kurama’s Chakra to even summon Gamabunta. Naruto was stated to have 4x more Chakra then Kakashi, if you need a reference I can provide it thus proving it is a fact. If this is the case about the Giant Toads, just think how much Chakra summoning two Toad Sages exerts. Saying he could summon multiple giant toads and two powerful summoning’s like Ma and Pa would put him on a class of his own and if this was the case he shouldn’t have died against Pein.

2)	2) Gama would not help Jiraiya against someone like Itachi. He has a long tongue and Taijutsu skills. That would not help against Clone Great Explosion and various other techniques.

3)	3) Based off your logic and to spam the word “Assumption”, this point right here is an assumption. You cannot say that (According to your logic) because this was never shown. Itachi’s is in a class of Genjutsu on his own. He was stated to be able to take control of someone’s body utilizing Genjutsu outside a Sensor’s range. This is fact. Look at Itachi’s Page, under Genjutsu. It states “According to Ao, he was the only person who could use his genjutsu to take control of other individuals outside the range of even the Sensor Division.” It also lists the Chapter in which this was referenced. This is another example where I think Mangekyo is not needed.

4)	4) Most of your points are assumptions. You cannot be sure Jiraiya can dodge Amaterasu. You cannot be sure Jiraiya can seal it in time. You cannot be sure that even the Sage techniques would work on him. These are all assumptions. When I say I go by facts, I honestly do. Jiraiya has no sure way to win while Itachi has many.

5)	5) Point taken on that one.

6)	6) Then see to it and I can allow him to have it without prep time. But at this time, he does not until it is stated he does or its shown that he had it during his fight with Pein.

7)	7) Actually that is an assumption. You further prove this since you cannot provide a reference. Also I do know the definition of contradiction, you’ve done it quite a few times.

8)	8) Gaara vs Naruto. Gamabunta was never shown to move so fast no one can take their eyes of him or move fast period. He’s a massive toad. However where is your reference where it states otherwise. Sure vs other giant summoning’s, they could be fast (for their size), but fast enough to dodge Amaterasu? I think not. Especially when it took A, Lightning Armor and Body Flicker in combination to dodge Amaterasu. If you state that the Giant toads can indeed dodge Amaterasu, then you are stating they are faster than A in his Lightning Armor, which is most definitely the biggest most ridiculous assumption I’ve heard in a while. “Amaterasu produces black flames at the focal point of the user's vision.[3] In most situations, this makes Amaterasu impossible to avoid.” There is my reference to Amaterasu being pretty much instant. Now provide your references :] or are you just a troll?