Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-1018594-20150821001654/@comment-26773508-20150823121212

GreatestSin wrote: @baku

1. who said that he was careless? he wasnt careless, but susanoo was more than he could handle while holding back as much as possible... 1. I think you'll need to create your own dictionary to accommodate your understanding of the word "careless" (sorry for the sarcasm, couldn't help it). Why? Because after finding out that Sasuke possessed the Susanoo the HARD WAY (being squashed like a bug by the Susanoo arm), you'd think that Danzo would use the Izanagi to catch Sasuke by surprise and stab him before Sasuke even has the chance to manifest his Susanoo. But NO! That wouldn't be an interesting fight. PLOT dictates that Danzo should open his big fat mouth to taunt Sasuke before trying to stab him, instead of just quickly dispatching him without giving him the chance to react.

That would have been the most sensible thing to do since the true enemy was "Madara" (Obito), who is a far more greater threat than Sasugay. With the loss of just one sharingan out of a total of 10 (11 if you count Shisui's), Danzo could have moved the fight directly to Obito had he just silently assassinated Sasuke. Of course, there's a good chance that Sasuke would avoid it, but considering the fact that Danzo was sneaky enough to trick and steal SHISUI's sharingan, it's quite logical to think that Sasuke would have been at least gravely injured had Danzo not opened his freaking mouth! And why did he open his mouth again? Freaking PLOT NO JUTSU!! If that's not carelessness and overconfidence then I don't know what is.

2. learning from books/papers is different than encountering something in reality, danzo didnt have the ability to handle susanoo with or without intel...

2. Suppose you were told by reliable, documented and verified sources that a certain martial arts master, let's call him The Man of Steel, is so strong and has such mastery over his body that he can't be hurt by rocks, bricks, wooden/iron staffs, ninchucks or even small knives. Moreover, he has trained his dick and balls so much that not only is he a celebrity among the ladies, but his genitals are also well nigh invulnerable. So a low-blow won't have any effect either. These "reliable sources" which have supplied you with such info constitute a good number of other martial artists who have fought him, and whom you know are totally reliable. And they all say the exact same thing about his strength. Not only that, you have multiple video recordings to demonstrate that fact. So you know how strong this guy is.

Now imagine that this man of steel is coming to kill you. Nope, not to have a friendly martial arts bout or for a cup of coffee, but to straight up MURDER you. Would you waste your time hitting this guy with rocks, or iron staffs, or small knives if you have a freaking machine gun and grenade launcher? Would you try in vain to kick him in the balls, just to "test" his powers, even though his monstrous strength has been confirmed through multiple sources? If you would, then congrats! You'll win the Darwin Award after your murderer has ripped out your entrails and fed them to his dogs. If, on the other hand, you riddle his body with bullets from your machine gun and then blow him into bits with a grenade, then people will say you made a sensible choice.

Same thing with Danzo. He was alive during the time of both Hashi and Tobirama. He must have heard accounts of Madara's Susanoo from both of them, and other Senjus who witnessed Madara's power before the founding of Konoha. Some 45-50 years later, his own personal ANBU Squad has given him enough intel about Itachi and/or Shisui's Susanoo that confirms how powerful Susanoo is.

Then one day another Susanoo user comes to murder him. And what does he do? Attack the Susanoo with a fucking KUNAI!! That's the same thing as you hitting The Man of Steel with rocks or ninchucks instead of using your machine gun and grenades. And Danzo's "machine gun" was silent assassination through Izanagi. But instead of doing that, he goes on to use the equivalent of rocks and ninchucks. This again demonstrates Danzo's plot-induced stupidity.

In a nutshell, books and other "indirect" intel can be the difference between life and death in a battle. This has been repeatedly demonstrated throughout the series, especially during the fight against Hidan/Kakuzu and the fight against Pain. Hence your 2nd point is invalid.

3. what you describe are not battle-smarts, he is intelligent, yes, but not in all kinds of places, danzo can plan good, but not enough to overcome susanoo (add the pressure which he had from the thinking "i need to fight madara after this fight" into the equation) ^_^

3. He may not be as smart as Sasuke, but he wasn't dumb enough to make the silly mistakes he ended up making either. He wouldn't have survived 3 shinobi wars if he were THAT dumb. His carelessness was plot-induced stupidity, as I've already explained.

Also, as I've already explained, Danzo could have overcome the Susanoo by simply assassinating or injuring Sasuke in a surprise attack. His summoning also had the potential to counteract Sasuke. So Danzo wasn't completely helpless. In fact, he had Sasuke's fate in his hands the moment he used Izanagi when he got squashed by Sasuke's susanoo the first time.

The fact that "Madara" was there also should have strongly pressurized Danzo to finish off Sasuke in a surprise attack. But that wouldn't have made an interesting fight. Hence Plot-no-jutsu ended up with Danzo using all his chakra reserves and his Izanagi on Sasuke.

therefore: no, the fight made sense, in others opinions it can be written cheap but it doesnt count as fight with plot armor since sasukes survivel made sense, unlike the one with the akatsuki-bomb-guy (this is plot armor) :)

No it didn't. It was Plot-no-Jutsu. I just wrote an entire essay on that :P