Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-28731007-20160627160729/@comment-5936871-20160710070520

XShadyShadow wrote: @Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 "She trained Sakura in the art of evasion and reading your opponent's moves." But Sakura is a bad fighter and is regarded as one of the worse combat characters and honestly it's a reflection of Tsunade. Madara used Susano'o because her punches were strong, not so much because of her speed. Madara had said so himself that Tsunade was slow in comparison to Raikage, but stronger. Infact, the only person Madara noted as being fast out of the entire five kage was the Raikage. When did Ay and Tsunade coordinate together in a way where it'd be a speed feat for Tsunade? And okay, she pressured a Madara that was going easy and he uses Susano'o on pretty much.. All attacks, except for a few. He uses Susano'o to block high damage, not intercept speed seeing as though he blocked Raikage's lightning attack but let Susano'o intercept Tsunade's unless you're gonna argue she's faster than Ay.

She didn't survive an encounter with Madara's legged Susano'o really.. Both of her sides were absolutely pierced with their swords. Her entire main body was filled with the girth of Susano'os swords. She would've been Ko'd/dead if it wasn't for her seal and she was displayed coughing up blood throughout the entire ordeal. Naturally Tsunade's speed isn't particularly bad. It's just in comparison to Kimimaro's and other taijutsu users it is and same with Sakura. Your statements on Katsuyu are solid.

See, the thing about Tsunade is that for her role as Hokage she is bad. Hashirama, Minato, Tobirama and Hiruzen all dwarf her in terms of performance. What does she have that sets her apart? Not only that but with the five kages for her time she was also still the worse. She might have been the strongest kunoichi but they rest of them were bad too. Being the best noob, still means that you're a noob. She did heal Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi. Point proven there but she's a medical ninja. We're speaking from a combative standpoint. When it comes to fighting what does she have except for strength? Her speed is decent, but isn't good enough to be entirely honest. Kabuto was able to dodge her around fairly well and Kimimaro is far faster than him. Kimimaro was dodging Gaara's sand from multiple angles while attacking at the same time. His prowess in dexterity and coordination was highly impressive. I believe he could run circles around her, if not then close to it.

@Rachin123 I apologize for the lengthy post but I had to add it in otherwise it couldn't be be posted. Remember the time Gaara and Rock Lee fought? When Rock Lee removed those weights from his ankles it was stated that he was moving near the speed of sound and Gaara's sand was keeping up with Rock lee's movements. Not only that but remember Dosu from part 1? He used sound as attacks and Gaara's sand was able to intercept it. Gaara's sand also intercepted Sasuke's Amateratsu and blocked Raikage's gullitine drop. If Gaara's sand isn't speed of sound then it's near it. All the feats point in that direction. First off, Sakura isn't a bad fighter, and even if she was that doesn't mean Tsunade is either. It doesn't mean that Tsunade is faster than A but it means that her strength more than makes up for it and that she does indeed have a good level of speed. Madara only used his Susanoo when he was threatened by extremely powerful attacks, so all that means is that he was faced with a bunch of strong attacks including Tsunade's. That doesn't downplay her, that simply means she is dangerous enough in close-quarters that he decided it'd be better to use Susanoo than dodge.

That is considered surviving, because her Strength of a Hundred Seal makes her pretty much immortal. The fact that she was unable to be decapitated or bisected also further emphasizes that she is skilled in evasion.

Hashirama literally dwarfs every single non-God tier character aside from Madara, so that is a moot point. Tobirama and Minato also dwarf the majority of characters, so that isn't a good point either. The only version of Hiruzen that might drawf her is prime, other than that, she is above Hiruzen in his old age. She also isn't the worse out of the Five Kage, she's second only to Onoki out of all of them. Chiyo, Mei, and Konan aren't bad at all so that's also a poor argument. I've already explained what she has from a combative perspective, she can one-shot most people with her strength so close-range against her is suicide for a lot of people, her speed and evasiness allows her to not be so easily put down like so many believe, her natural endurance makes her last for a long time, and her SoHS makes her nearly immortal and amplifies all of her abilities. She also has Katsuyu like I said, who counts as apart of a shinobi's arsenal and one of their abilities.

Kabuto was stated to be equal to Kakashi normally by both Orochimaru and Jiraiya, was enhanced by a military rations pill, and she was rusty and nowhere near her strongest when she fought him. So that is a bad argument and not comparable to her when she fought Madara. It sounds more like you're kind of biased against her.