Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170909171417/@comment-33308438-20171014101706

I'm not lying, man , you can check , oro summoned kages with 60% power , someone stated it. Okay if you want me to name the chapter, I'll search it up.

Danzo said that tobirama was greater out of respect, proven by the fact that hiruzen was confident in sacrificing or perhaps beating kinkaku squad. But tobirama stopped him. Not to mention, databook says he had more talent than tobirama from childhood itself. Talent = power as you know neji was the most powerful in hyuuga clan along with maybe hiashi.

Orochimaru knew enma, the monkey king as he himself stated in that chapter , so the only thing he should be surprised of , is the speed. Its not like he's seeing enma for the first time. So indeed he surprised by the speed of enma and yes, there was a question mark , if you read that chapter again.

Are you sure dan saw the madara vs hashirama fight? Cuz even hiruzen was a small kid back then, not to mention hashirama fought this battle sometime soon after the creation of konoha ..... he surely heard it from the legends like everyone else , not to mention , he wasnt sure if hiruzen was living or not ....

And there's also the thing that shikamaru said " Only the third can do something about this " in the crisis against the god tree.