Talk:Itachi Uchiha

itachi katana
pls edit itachi weapon to have a katana because previously he is an an anbu thanks.

Hey! where itachi's sword? in weapon tab?

Summoning: Lightning Blade Creation
I would like to make a case about Itachi having summoning seals in sleeves (and yes this time it would be reasonable and practical seeing as how big those sleeves were) in regards to how many shuriken he summoned. . Thomas Finlayson (talk) 17:00, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a very realistic and sound theory with absolutely no direct evidence whatsoever. --ShounenSuki (talk 17:47, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure exactly how to respond to that, but should we mention then that he was able to procure, use, possess (the exact word will be key) an uncommon and staggaring number of shuriken? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 02:53, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * No. ~SnapperTo 03:02, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 03:21, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly. ~SnapperTo 04:05, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

LOL--Kyoto0 (talk) 07:35, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

he could have just caught the shurikens sasuke threw at him and then threw it back.
 * And where would sasuke get ALL of them from? it didnt look like he was catching them because if he was im sure the animators would have emphesized that part specifically... which they didnt.-- Vega
 * Sasuke had many shuriken in his wrist seal. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:58, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * The way I see it, Sasuke used Summoning: Lightning Blade Creation and threw the projectiles at Itachi. Itachi, in turn, caught maybe half of the projectiles and threw them at other oncoming projectiles in order to deflect them away from him... User:D!ABLO-32
 * indeed--Cerez☻ 17:45, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Image
I'm not a fan of the current lead image. Since it has the advantage of being hugely big, I'm reluctant to change it out of the blue to something under 500px. Assuming there is anyone who also dislikes the current Itachi image, do any of these seem like improvements? ~SnapperTo 17:51, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Big ≠ good quality and the quality of the current image is actually rather poor.
 * Of those images, I'd say either the second or the third one. The last one is rather good as well, though. Isn't there one that also shows the top of his head and his necklace? --ShounenSuki (talk 18:02, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe in Shippduen. I can only find Shippduen screenshots up to episode 40, and the options of Itachi aren't worth sharing. ~SnapperTo 18:20, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have found two images from his chat with Naruto in shippuuden., . I am mostly for number two, but seeing those images from his first appearance, i have begun to think that one were his colar are unbottomed and his necklace can be seen, might also be a good idea. --Gojita (talk) 23:16, August 29, 2010 (UTC)Gojita


 * I also like your second image amongst the available options. Maybe we could circumvent the issue of the missing necklace by replacing File:Itachi Appearence.PNG with an image of Itachi without the Akatsuki cloak? ~SnapperTo 00:39, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with the whole change thing but not because of the size it's more how it depicts the character. Itachi always had a more neutral look on his face and from the current lead image I get more of a hardcore villain instead of a guy with an interesting twist in his story. That said I say #7 (the last one) --Cerez365 (talk) 00:57, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * or #5 :D --Cerez365 (talk) 00:58, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * You have good idea there Snapper, but such pictures are only from his fight with Sasuke and there he was a bloody mess, so doubt that will work. --Gojita (talk) 06:42, August 30, 2010 (UTC)Gojita

Appearance
Weren't Itachi's fingernails a color like purple at a time? -Fah
 * It is purple. talk

Different Pic
i have a waaaaaay better pic for it...its kinda cute too...^^ - Hinata-Chan Hyuga 21:50, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Horrible image. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:36, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Pictures unviable
i can't view two of the images on the article itself, namely theese two... se my point... or not? --Gojita (talk) 06:42, August 16, 2010 (UTC)Gojita


 * I see them. ~SnapperTo 06:56, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't, and the same thing happens on other pages. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 07:03, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I experienced the same thing at my wikia, the Shaman King wikia and with the EMS image in Madara's article. My solution was to reupload them under a different filename and it all seemed to work fine. --Gojita (talk) 15:16, August 16, 2010 (UTC)Gojita
 * I had this problem a week or so ago. The images are there, they just aren't loading. It's a problem with the wiki that eventually corrects itself. ~SnapperTo 16:41, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep. For example, I can't see Danzō's infobox picture, nor the first non-infobox image in his article. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:45, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Drawing Mistake
http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/72932747/9 For one panel Itachi Headband isn't scratched despite the fact that other panels show it scratched. Kishi made a mistake, should go in trivia.Umishiru (talk) 07:18, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe scanlators' mistake? They cleaned it out accidentally? --Kiadony (talk) 12:10, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Kishimoto-sensei making mistakes is inevitable. There is no reason to mention them all. —ShounenSuki (talk 15:23, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia
i dont know if this belongs here but has anyone noticed how similar itachi and severus snape from harry potter are i mean they both were thought to be villians but than turned out to be "good" and both died eventually, also both were black cloaks have black hair and have a arguable evil look on their face81.10.220.248 (talk) 17:54, September 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Those are common fictional elements. Not worth noting. ~SnapperTo 23:38, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Lover
its stated by Madara Uchiha that Itachi had a lover. anyone know who she is
 * Nope. All that is known is that Itachi killed her during the massacre. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 11:55, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Or him Fangzntalonz (talk) 12:56, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Quite sad how he had to kill most likly her and the clan. The reason behind 'most likly' is cause she might not be from the uchiha though he wouldn't see her ever again after he missin-nin.

Well, for one whom had just killed his entire family, I don't think he hesitated for long at any rate even if he did love him/her Because in the end, the only one he loved enough not to kill was Sasuke. --Njalm2 (talk) 06:06, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Last words
In the translation I read, his last words, are "I'm sorry Sasuke, there won't be a next time." In relation to how he always tapped Sasuke's forehead and said maybe next time. Does this not make more sense? DemonFoxsCloak (talk) 01:33, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Itachi's age
Which exacly age was Itachi when he murdered he's family?83.6.31.142 (talk) 18:47, November 28, 2010 (UTC)Ren
 * Going by the what both the manga and the databook gave us, he was about thirteen. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:49, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

```` Yes he was 13, maybe 14 at the most, but thats the extreme limit.

sasuke
it says in the begining paragraph the sasuke is his brother but not in the family section in the data table. just wondering why this was?


 * The central Wikia broke loads of things used in our infoboxes. Some have been fixed, some have been worked around by our guy who handles these codings, some only Wikia can fix. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:55, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

ITACHI WEAPON
Hi! i think we should add Yata Mirror to uchiha itachi's weapon group together with the sword and sword of totsuka
 * I think only tools that are classified as offensive are listed in the infobox. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:37, December 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * but in fairness to the uchiha itachi fans maybe we should add yata mirror to weapons.
 * yes its a defensive weapon but it is also categorized as a weapon itachi wield dont you think?

take back katana or sword to itachi,s weapon arsenal he's an ANBU!

Itachis gift zu Naruto
Hey guys, I was looking aroung this forum but couldn't find an actual logical answer to the theory what itachy gave naruto in form of the black raven... are there any suggestions?
 * We're not here to speculate. That discussion belongs on a forum. Teamrocketspy621 (talk) 17:52, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

There isnt any diskussion to it... morelikely the question IF there are information. "lernen bildet"
 * You're not making any sense, you know that? This is a wiki, a source of information, not a forum for speculation about what Itachi gave Naruto, because the information you're looking for is only known to the writer. The answer you want can only be speculated about at this point, so be patient and wait for it to be revealed in the manga. Also, I don't appreciate you insulting me on my talk page. You'd better be pretty glad I'm not reporting such behavior. Teamrocketspy621 (talk) 19:23, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

I think Itachi gave Naruto a weapon or ability to combat Sasuke or protect the village; Itachi then placed a trigger in Sasuke while implanting Amaterasu. It is always a good idea to think up possibilities for the Narutoverse, it could be helpful in the future when new information comes to light. --Alastar 89 (talk) 05:10, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * This isn't a forum.--Cerez™☺ 05:19, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Couldn't help myself. :P --Alastar 89 (talk) 08:29, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Specialty
I noticed that you list Itachi's specialty in genjutsu due to his low stamina, but I don't recall seeing it anywhere in the manga. I'm just wondering if it was in a fanbook or databook or am I missing a chapter, or is it a fan suggestion?
 * If he has low stamina, it means he doesn't have lots of chakra, and we know that he avoids getting into actual fight, so genjutsu is the obvious conclusion of his specialty. He just prefers genjutsu to ninjutsu and taijutsu. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:08, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Its also very sensible, given that Genjutsu is incapable of killing in most scenarios meaning that it is the perfect form of self-defense for a Pacifist like Itachi - not to mention that his Tsukuyomi was unrivalled at any point in the series that we know of, which naturally hints quite openly at a Specialism in Genjutsu. --Njalm2 (talk) 16:39, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * That and the fact that he uses genjutsu the most.--Cerez365™☺ 16:46, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

clone from nowere?
in his fight agents kakashi in nauto 1 he just makes a clone without a single hand seal and it appears behind kakashi also could any clone itachi creates explodes like Clone Great Explosion ? with two jutsus he can wipe out any opponent so.....what the heck--Sasori soul (talk) 19:42, January 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well first, it has to be a shadow clone, second, Itachi could have made it without anyone seeing him ( don't forget he is incredibly fast at making seals), and third he wouldn't use Clone Great Explosion every time he gets in a fight because I would imagine it uses a lot of chakra, and that's something Itachi doesn't have a lot of. ~ Fmakck - Talk - Contributions 19:50, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blaze Release
Should we add Blaze Release to Itachi's page? He clearly shows the ability to control the amaterasu during his fight with Sasuke. Timeel39 (talk) 03:42, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not to the degree Sasuke did. The only forms of control Itachi showed over Amaterasu was stopping it by ceasing to use the technique closing his eye, unlike Sasuke who actively put them out with his eyes; and directing it to where he wanted by looking at the target and a general area, unlike Sasuke, who shaped Amaterasu around himself as a form of defense, and then reshaped it in order to attack. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:46, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Simply closing his eyes would not put out the flames, otherwise the forest would not keep burning. ~SnapperTo 04:05, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * That Amaterasu was already burning on top of something. When he closed his eyes, the Amaterasu which was burning Sasuke's Fire Release stopped, and since there was nothing left for it to burn, it went out. When he opened his eyes again, the flames reappeared, and then he looked Sasuke running around, making Amaterasu chase him until it hit the giant hand/wing Sasuke got when he used the second level of the Cursed Seal of Heaven. That's the most logical explanation I could think for that issue. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:13, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * None of that indicates that ceasing to use Amaterasu causes the flames to go out. It burns until it runs out of fuel, as is the case with Sasuke's fire, or because the user extinguishes the flames selectively, as is the case with Itachi to Sasuke (leaving the forest burning) and Sasuke to Karin (leaving Bee burning). ~SnapperTo 04:24, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ceasing to use Amaterasu was just the way I found most appropriate to word it. Anyway, Itachi still didn't display what we saw Sasuke call Blaze Release, so I don't think he should be listed as using it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:37, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Itachi's Speed
Itachi was noted to be extremely fast, to the point where even some experienced Sharingan wielders couldn't follow his movements and hand seals. In regards to the former, this sounds is similar to A (Ei?) in his Lightning Release armor, which was said by...someone, that he was comparable to Minato in terms of speed with it. Would that mean that the same could possibly be said for Itachi's speed? Skitts (talk) 22:36, January 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * The bit about the Raikage was said by C. And not really. Just because a Sharingan user can have trouble seeing both, it doesn't mean both have similar speeds. One can still be much faster than the other. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:49, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I see. My main reason for asking was that the common factor was Sasuke, whose Sharingan wasn't really able to track A or Itachi. I see your point though. Skitts (talk) 00:20, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know why you would say that. Sasuke was able to track him easily throughout their entire fight.

True Strength
Well I can' find where o ask this question since there isn't like a fighting strength caption but are the stats in the Itachi artikel over him with his illness or just his natural stats with out the sickness. Because Madara stated that he was holding back in his fight with Sasuke and that was the longest fight that we have of Itachi, and hewas giving Sasuke a hard time, it there a way to know his real fighting level?
 * Not unless Kishimoto tell us. Otherwise, we don't know.--Cerez365™☺ 12:17, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Nekomata defeat
Pls add Nekomata's defeat to Itachi's early background


 * Caps Lock isn't your friend. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 11:02, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

ya guys where is it?

Stamina
Has it ever been OFFICIALLY stated that Itachi's low stamina is directly linked to his illness? Or was he just born with low stamina?


 * I don't know if it's been outright stated, but it's pretty obvious, his disease acts up when he pushes himself. ZeroSD (talk) 21:29, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

As far as I know, it hasn't. But honestly, it wouldn't be hard to believe that a terminal illness would lower one's chakra level. Especiallt when you consider that Itachi trained a great deal, so his chakra level should've be higher than it was. Skitts (talk) 02:21, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Itachi's Timeline
Hey all. I've created a timeline for Itachi that addresses some of the time issues. I'd like some feedback to see if I contradict any canon information. Here goes.

BKA (Before Kyuubi Attack)

AKA (After Kyuubi Attack)

Itachi's Birthday: June 9

Sasuke's Birthday: July 23

- 5 BKA:    Itachi, age 0. Itachi is born.

- 0:        Itachi, age 4-5. Sasuke, age 0. Sasuke is born. The Kyuubi attacks.

- 3 AKA:    Itachi, age 7-8. Sasuke, age 2-3. Itachi graduates from the Academy.

- 4 AKA:    Itachi, age 8-9. Sasuke, age 3-4. Itachi activates his Sharingan.

- 6 AKA:    Itachi, age 10-11. Sasuke, age 5-6. Itachi becomes a Chunin.

- 8 AKA:    Itachi, age 12-13. Sasuke, age 7-8. Itachi joins the ANBU at age 12, and Sasuke enters the Academy at age 7 (if there is any source saying he entered at age 6, then I'll change this). Around 6 months later, Itachi becomes an ANBU captain at age 13. Itachi makes his deal with Madara. He "kills" Shisui and massacres his clan soon after. He joins the Akatsuki, cuts off Orochimaru's hand, and Orochimaru leaves the organization. (a busy year for Itachi).

- 8-12 AKA: Within this time, Itachi and Kisame became partners. Itachi defeats Deidara to get him to join the Akatsuki.

- 13 AKA:  Itachi, age 17-18. Sasuke, age 12-13. Itachi returns to Konoha to "capture" Naruto. Sasuke defects and Naruto goes to travel with Jiraya. The timeskip begins.

- 15 AKA:  Itachi, age 19-20. Sasuke, age 14-15. The Akatsuki have their meeting in the cave (an unspecified time). Sasori makes the comment that Orochimaru left the organization "7 years ago"*. Kakuzu's partner is killed and Hidan joins the Akatsuki.

- 16 AKA:  Itachi, age 20-21. Sasuke, age 15-16. The timeskip ends. Naruto returns to Konoha. "Itachi" distracts Team Kakashi from rescuing Gaara.

- 17 AKA:  Itachi, age 21-22. Sasuke, age 16-17. The Akatsuki gather to seal the 4th Tailed Beast (an unspecified time). Kisame makes the comment that Orochimaru left the organization "10 years ago". Itachi has his battle with Sasuke and dies.

1. It's never specified when the Akatsuki meeting in the cave took place. It doesn't have to be the same time Naruto left with Jiraya. For all we know, the meeting took place "during" the timeskip, giving enough time for Sasori's "7 years ago" statement to be true.

2. The only problem I have now with my timeline is Kisame's statement of Oro leaving the Akatsuki "10 years ago". There is still a 1 year difference. The only way this could work is if Kisame meant "about 10 years ago."

3. Itachi was almost as tall as Oro in the flashback where he cuts off his arm. There is no way he's 11 years old. Heck, I have a hard time thinking he's 13, but that's far more believable than if he was 11.

Any feedback would be appreciated. --Cidem1324 (talk) 19:27, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

1. i agree with the you 2. he must have meant about 10 years ago. 3. i dont know where u got 11 from. i thought itachi was about 13-14 when he cut off orochimarus arm. i guess itachis just kinda taller and orchimarus shorter. itachi: Part I: 175.2 cm1.752 m 5.748 ft 68.976 in Part II: 178 cm1.78 m 5.84 ft 70.079 in orochimaru: Part I: 179.4 cm1.794 m 5.886 ft 70.63 in Part II: 172 cm1.72 m 5.643 ft 67.717 in


 * Ya, for number 3, it was a theory people had that Itachi was 11 when he cut off Oro's arm. It was to make Kisame's statement about how Orochimaru left the Akatsuki "10 years ago" more accurate. But from just looking at that flashback, there is no way Itachi could be 11 in this scene.

http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/Naruto345/173556-8.html


 * Itachi being 13 is already pushing it. By the way, thanks for the height stats. --Cidem1324 (talk) 19:41, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would like to point out three things.
 * Kishimoto-sensei has always been bad at showing age through his drawings, especially when it comes to Itachi.
 * There is more evidence Itachi joined Akatsuki andmet with Orochimaru at age eleven than at age thirteen.
 * There is actually quite some evidence pointing to there being a gap of about two years between Itachi joining Akatsuki and him massacring his clan.


 * —ShounenSuki (talk 21:19, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 21:19, February 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * I can see where you're coming from ShounenSuki. I also thought this was the case, Itachi being 11 when he cut off Orochimaru's arm. However, I just don't see how that's possible any more.


 * 1. While I agree Itachi's age and growth isn't the most clearly defined, I just can't see Itachi in this scene being 11 years old. Just from looking at the 12 year old rookie 9, we see Itachi is just too tall, almost being as tall as Orochimaru.

http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/Naruto345/173556-8.html


 * 2. While it's not the greatest source of canon, even the anime acknowledges that Itachi joined the Akatsuki after massacring his clan. Then he cut off Oro's arm, causing Oro to leave the organization.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPiSMCb8kc4


 * 3. If Itachi became an ANBU at 11, and massacred his clan at age 13, that's a 2 year gap. That's an additional 2 years of maintaining a double agent status, where he was already suspected of killing his best friend and had already given his speech about losing all faith in his clan. Maintaining this charade for another 2 years is far too long.


 * For me, this is the order of events:


 * - 8 AKA: Itachi, age 12-13. Sasuke, age 7-8. Itachi joins the ANBU at age 12. Around 6 months later, Itachi becomes an ANBU captain at age 13. He massacres his clan soon after. He joins the Akatsuki, cuts off Orochimaru's hand, and Orochimaru leaves the organization.


 * Itachi joined the ANBU half a year after he became a chūnin. Half a year later, he started acting weird and obtained the Mangekyō Sharingan. He became chūnin at 10. Even if he was almost 11 already, he still wouldn't even be near 12 when he became an ANBU and nowhere near 13 when he obtained his Mangekyō Sharingan and the mission to massacre his clan. Also, it was very clearly said that the Third Hokage managed to postpone the massacre for a while and we have two direct and very clear statements as to when Orochimaru left Akatsuki, both pointing to Itachi having been 11.
 * Also remember that Kabuto maintained his double/triple/quadruple? status for many, many years.
 * The way I see it, the time line should be something like this (numbers in brackets are Itachi's and Sasuke's ages, respectively.):
 * 9th June 5BK: Itachi born (0, —)
 * 23rd July 0: Sasuke born (5, 0)
 * 10th October 0: Kyūbi attacks (5, 3m)
 * Beginning April 2AK: Itachi enters the Academy (6, 1)
 * March 3AK: Itachi finishes the Academy (7, 2)
 * June 3AK–June 4AK: Itachi awakens his Sharingan (8, 3)
 * October 5AK: Itachi becomes chūnin (10, 5)
 * Beginning April 6AK: Itachi becomes ANBU, Sasuke enters the Academy (10, 5)
 * Mid-July 6AK: Sasuke's first school term ends, Itachi kills Shisui the next day and obtains Mangekyō (11, 5)
 * June–July 8AK: Itachi massacres the Uchiha clan (13, 7)
 * March 13AK: Sasuke finishes the Academy (17, 12)
 * 1st July 13AK: Chūnin Exams start (18, 12)
 * 6th August 13AK: Chūnin Exams end, Konoha invasion (18, 13)
 * 8th August 13AK: Itachi returns to Konoha, Sandaime's funeral (18, 13)
 * Mid- to Late September 13AK: Tsunade returns to Konoha, Sasuke leaves with the Sound Four about a week later. (18, 13)
 * Mid- to Late December 13AK: Naruto leaves Konoha, ending Part I (18, 13)
 * Mid- to Late June 16AK: Naruto returns to Konoha (21, 15)
 * All dates are as accurately as I could make them, based on the dates given in the manga and taken from real Japanese culture (the school dates). —ShounenSuki (talk 13:44, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the post Suki, but I must disagree. Why would Itachi kill Shisui and give his "I have lost faith in this clan" speech at age 11, then wait 2 years to massacre his clan at age 13? I don't think Itachi would have lasted 2 years if the Uchiha were already suspicious of him for murder. It makes more sense that Shisui "kept an eye" on Itachi for 2 years, and his death occurred a few days before the Uchiha Massacre.

Here are my revised timeline. It was a long and grueling process, but I have determined that Itachi's timeline is not a plothole. At least in my mind. 1. The biggest source of confusion is Sasori's comment about "Orochimaru left 7 years ago", and Kisame's comment about "Orochimaru left 10 years ago". The only way this makes sense is that they "included the year that they were in": Sasori's "7 years" comment: 8-14 AKA (8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14) = 7 separate years = 7 years Kisame's "10 years" comment: 8-17 AKA (8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17) = 10 separate years = 10 years 2. The amount of time that passed between Sasuke entering the Ninja Academy to the time of the Uchiha massacre. Since it is unspecified how much time has passed, my best guess is that Sasuke entered the Ninja Academy when he was 6 years old, and the massacred occurred when he was 7 years old (about to turn 8 years old). Revised Time Line

BKA (Before Kyuubi Attack)

AKA (After Kyuubi Attack)

Itachi's Birthday: June 9

Sasuke's Birthday: July 23


 * 5 BKA:    Itachi, age 0. Itachi is born.
 * 0:        Itachi, age 4-5. Sasuke, age 0. Sasuke is born. The Kyuubi attacks.
 * 2 AKA:    Itachi, age 5-6. Sasuke, age 1-2. Itachi enters the Ninja Academy.
 * 3 AKA:    Itachi, age 7-8. Sasuke, age 2-3. Itachi graduates from the Ninja Academy.
 * 4 AKA:    Itachi, age 8-9. Sasuke, age 3-4. Itachi activates his Sharingan.
 * 6 AKA:    Itachi, age 10-11. Sasuke, age 5-6. Itachi becomes a Chunin at age 10. Around 6 months later, Itachi becomes an ANBU at age 11. He becomes a double agent for Konoha against the Uchiha revolution. Sasuke enters the Ninja Academy at age 6 (an unspecified time).
 * 7 AKA     Itachi, age 11-12. Sasuke age 6-7. After 6 months of Itachi being an ANBU, Shisui is ordered to "keep an eye" on Itachi due to his change in behavior.
 * 8 AKA: Itachi, age 12-13. Sasuke, age 7-8. Itachi becomes an ANBU captain at age 13. He makes a his deal with Madara at some point. Itachi "kills" Shisui and massacres his clan a few days after. He joins the Akatsuki, cuts off Orochimaru's hand, and *Orochimaru leaves the organization*. (a busy year for Itachi).
 * 8-12 AKA: Within this time, Itachi and Kisame became partners. Itachi defeats Deidara to get him to join the Akatsuki.
 * 13 AKA:  Itachi, age 17-18. Sasuke, age 12-13. Itachi returns to Konoha to "capture" Naruto. Sasuke defects.
 * 14 AKA:  Itachi, age 18-19. Sasuke, age 13-14. Naruto goes to travel with Jiraya for 2 and a half years. The Akatsuki have their meeting in the cave (an unspecified time). Sasori makes the comment that *Orochimaru left the organization "7 years ago"*. The timeskip begins.
 * 16 AKA:  Itachi, age 20-21. Sasuke, age 15-16. The timeskip ends. Naruto returns to Konoha after traveling 2 and a half years. "Itachi" distracts Team Kakashi from rescuing Gaara.
 * 17 AKA:  Itachi, age 21-22. Sasuke, age 16-17. The Akatsuki gather to seal the Three Tailed Beast and Fourth Tailed Beast (an unspecified time). Kisame makes the comment that *Orochimaru left the organization "10 years ago"*. Itachi has his battle with Sasuke and dies.

I agree, this is a confusing timeline, but I think this works. You don't have to agree, but your opinion would be appreciated.--Cidem1324 (talk) 19:22, February 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * You're forgetting a vital clue. Madara specifically said that even after Danzō and the elders had decided that the Uchiha clan should be destroyed,the Third Hokage was able to postpone it. Danzō most likely already had given Itachi the order by this time, justifying him getting the Mangekyō and behaving oddly.
 * Your inclusion of the current year in the 7 and 10 years ago comments is, I'm sorry to say, rather ridiculous and seems like a desperate attempt to make this fit in your way. No one counts like that; it's completely counter-intuitive. There are plenty of ways why my time line makes more sense:
 * There's precedent for a sleeper agent lasting years.
 * There's an explanation for the two years' gap.
 * It requires no leaps in logic.
 * This situation is one of the very few times we are given rather specific dates instead of approximations.
 * All the dates add up down to the months and days.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 21:05, February 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Believe me, I'd love to subtract 1 year from both comments. It would make this so much simpler, and there wouldn't be any problem with the timeline.


 * Suki, I'd like to ask, do you agree or disagree with the anime's sequence of events? I know the anime isn't the greatest source for canon material, but I'd like your opinion on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPiSMCb8kc4


 * --Cidem1324 (talk) 00:49, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I disagree with several things in that clip. Kisame shouldn't be there, in the first place. I really do not think Itachi defeated Orochimaru after the massacre. —ShounenSuki (talk 12:28, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the answer Shounen. Sigh, I don't know. Since there is no indication that Itachi joined the Akatsuki 2 years before massacring his clan (besides the 7 years and 10 years statements), I think it's too much of a stretch for me. Cidem1324 (talk) 00:52, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

about sasori saying 7 years ago and orochimaru saying 10 years ago, oro could have meant about 10 years ago.
 * Ya, if they said "around" 7 years ago and "around" 10 years ago, then there would be enough vagueness to fit the timeline perfectly.


 * Kind of like how Kakashi Gaiden happened "around" 10 years ago,

http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/Naruto239/173399/


 * When really it was more like 13-15 years ago. Cidem1324 (talk) 00:52, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * The fun thing is, with practically ever time indication, Kishimoto-sensei is actually that vague. The Kakashi Gaiden happenned . Sasori fled Suna ago. Konoha was founded  ago.
 * Orochimaru left Akatsuki or  ago. There is no indication of it being anywhere near an approximation. These are clear, solid time statements of the kind only rarely made in the manga. The only other time I remember time statements being made this clearly is when it concerns the Kyūbi attack. —ShounenSuki (talk 09:47, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sigh, I wish Kishimoto had been vague regarding those two statements, like he is usually. When telling a story, it's much easier to be vague with timelines than to make established times. There's just more wiggle room. --Cidem1324 (talk) 01:03, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Everything surrounding the Uchiha massacre tells me Kishimoto-sensei has had the details of this whole episode completely thought out by chapter seven or so. There's no need to be vague if there's no uncertainty. —ShounenSuki (talk 01:07, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

When Madara is talking to Sasuke he tells Sasuke that Itachi murdered the clan with his help THEN joined Akatsuki. So he was 13 when he joined, and yeah the whole 7 years thing is a plot hole. It should of been 5yrs. Orochimaru was 5ft11 til he absorbed the one guy while waiting for Sasuke, so if you add in angles and known heights, Itachi was anywhere from 5ft3-5ft7 when he cut off Oro's arm and 13 is when a lot of people get growth spurts.
 * Where exactly is it said that Itachi murdered the Uchiha and only then joined Akatsuki? —ShounenSuki (talk 12:39, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was wrong, there is a hint that he joined after he killed the clan Chapter 401 Page 5 "He slaughtered the whole clan and joined Akatsuki! He was guilty!" and madara stated he left konoha immediately after killing the clan, and in Databook 2 and 3 I think I remember hints that he left after the Uchiha Massacre.


 * Chapter 401 page 6 "On his own, He decided to commit a crime that would never be forgiven, Leave his village... and join Akatsuki to protect his village from the inside" another hint he joined Akatsuki after the Uchiha Massacre and he was 13, maybe 14 at the most when he left Konoha, and Madara said he left Konoha immediately after killing the clan.


 * On page 6 of chapter 401, Sasuke says:
 * Sasuke actually doesn't say anything about Itachi joining Akatsuki, nor would he have any idea how the time line went. He was kept in the dark up until this point, after all. His words are meant to be seen as somewhat incorrect.
 * Madara says:
 * Although this sentence does seem to imply that Itachi entered Akatsuki after massacring his clan, it really isn't in any way clear about it.
 * You have to remember that after Itachi was ordered to massacre his clan and went to seek out Madara, the third Hokage actually postponed the actual execution of the mission for as long as he could. There is no doubt about Itachi being 11 when he obtained the Mangekyō Sharingan. He most likely obtained this after receiving the mission to massacre his clan and having sought out Madara. It isn't unlikely he entered Akatsuki officially at that point as well, thinking he would be leaving the village soon enough, any way. Then the Third Hokage postpones the massacre for a long time, until Itachi is 13. Only then does the massacre actually take place and does Itachi truly flee the village to become a full-time member of Akatsuki. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:31, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Although this sentence does seem to imply that Itachi entered Akatsuki after massacring his clan, it really isn't in any way clear about it.
 * You have to remember that after Itachi was ordered to massacre his clan and went to seek out Madara, the third Hokage actually postponed the actual execution of the mission for as long as he could. There is no doubt about Itachi being 11 when he obtained the Mangekyō Sharingan. He most likely obtained this after receiving the mission to massacre his clan and having sought out Madara. It isn't unlikely he entered Akatsuki officially at that point as well, thinking he would be leaving the village soon enough, any way. Then the Third Hokage postpones the massacre for a long time, until Itachi is 13. Only then does the massacre actually take place and does Itachi truly flee the village to become a full-time member of Akatsuki. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:31, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the correct translation. He was 10 when he became a Genin, a Semester in the Academy is 1 year, then he was 11 and a half when he got the Mangekyo, but if his age was to be specific 10 and a half when he became a chunin most likely then 11 when he became an Anbu, then 1 semester later he would of been 12 and the next day he would of killed Shisui, meaning he got the Mangekyo at 12. Another thing I noticed is his settei sheet seems to indicate he was only 2 inches shorter than when he is at 18, when the massacre happened. Meaning he'd be 5ft7 when he was 13. That sounds very unlikely that he would only grow 2 inch's in 5 years, So I would like to see what this scan says http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/118/c/2/can_anybody_translate_this__by_molarchy-d3f2tnv.jpg According to the Databooks that Kishimoto wrote, at the debut of shippuden the Konoha 9 were 16yrs and Gai's team was 17yrs, Making Naruto 13 and a half on the last chapter of part 1 that was a random thought. ````
 * A semester is only half a year. Sasuke starts the Academy half a year after Itachi became chūnin and at the same time Itachi became an ANBU. Half a year later, Itachi had obtained the Mangekyō Sharingan. Itachi was about 11 then. Most likely, he obtained the Mangekyō Sharingan after receiving the mission to massacre his clan and meeting up with Madara. The massacre was postponed until Itachi was at least 13, after which he fled the village.
 * That model sheet is from the anime, not the manga. It seems to say Itachi is 195 cm, but even if you interpret the middle number as a weirdly drawn 7, he would still be the same height as he was in Part I. The rest of the model sheet is almost illegible.
 * Oh, and Naruto's classmates were 15 at the beginning of Part II, not 16. —ShounenSuki (talk 08:45, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

"Here's what SnapperTo wrote on another page: The whole Nine-Tails flashback segment occurred 16 years earlier, the night of Naruto's birth. Ages aren't the series' strong point; there is almost no chance of all the characters being the same age at the same time. So trying to figure ages based on when a character was born and how many months have passed is not going to work. You are also assigning the ages incorrectly. Naruto is not 12 in chapter 117 and then suddenly 13 in chapter 118. Rather, we are to believe that he and the rest of his age group all turned 13 by chapter 238. There is also no saying whether or not Kishimoto will want them to be 17 by the time of the next databook. And I have not seen the insert, but I have no reason to doubt its validity. It's the anime that deviates from mangaka's intent, not the manga publishers."

"I meant it is improbable that Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, Shikamaru, Choji, Ino, Kiba, Shino, Hinata, and Gaara are all the same age at the same time. It seems that all characters born in the same year share the same age at any given time. Again, new databooks do not indicate that a year has passed since the previous databook. Naruto and company were 12 when they graduated from the Academy, which happens in chapter 1. As for the Nine-Tails' attack, that was established as 16 years ago as early as chapter 386 (Itachi's explanation of Madara), and possibly even sooner than that." I'm trying to get a good idea on the ages and what part int he mange Naruto himself aged a year, perfection is impossible so a close margin would work, He says the earliest it is said Naruto is 16 is in chapter 386, is that right? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:37, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Can you try and translate these please? http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/120/b/e/itachi_part_1_clearer_by_molarchy-d3f9k3v.png http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/120/0/e/i_found_another_scan_of_it_by_molarchy-d3f9jvs.png http://molarchy.deviantart.com/#/d3f9k9n I think there will be some good info on these scans. Let me know what they say please. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:50, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

By the way I have a lot of Settei scans in the same quality as these and if you all want me to upload them I will. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:55, April 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's true that the databook ages aren't really reliable. They are just rough estimates, meant to show who is in which age group, rather than there actual ages. This is probably done in part because of the lack of clear dates in the series and especially when it comes to the point in which the databooks are set themselves.
 * We can get some indications from the manga itself, albeit vague ones. In chapter 1, the Nine-Tails attack was said to have occurred 12 years ago. In chapter 94, it was said to have happened 13 years ago. Chapter 386 is the first mention of the attack being 16 years ago that I could find.
 * The model sheets aren't really that high a quality and the handwriting is pretty bad, but I can read it at least somewhat. I can't really say the information is all that interesting, though. I'll see what I can translate from it. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:51, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you ShounenSuki, Seeing this proof debunks some of the things I thought just recently. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 02:46, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

when did itachi...?
when did itachi awaken his sharingan? it says he mastered it by the time he was 7 but when did he awakened it? Peruzka (talk) 01:07, April 2, 2011 (UTC) Peruzka
 * Everything that is known about him is in his article. But if I had to guess I'd say 5, maybe even 6.  ~ Fmakck© → Talk → Contributions ~ 01:09, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * According to the discussion above this he might've been 8...you can read it.--Cerez™☺ 02:58, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh jeez, that's long. I'll take your word for it Cerez.  ~ Fmakck© → Talk → Contributions ~ 03:01, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

He became a Genin at 7, mastered the Sharingan at 8, which means he completed it by getting it to 3 tomoe, became a Chunin at 10, Anbu at 10.5, Got the Mangekyo at 11, Became an Anbu Captain at 13, then Left Konoha about a week or month later. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:29, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Itachi's 2 Tomoe Sharingan
Simply put. I want picture added to Itachi's Bio. A lot of Itachi Fans believe that he mastered his sharingan when he awakened it. Its not true. I have evidence he didn't. I would like the picture to be used.--
 * That is an anime only photo, it is not evidence towards anything. He unlocked his sharingan at 7yrs old when he became a genin as it is hinted, and mastered it at 8 yrs old. That photo is incorrect. Orochimaru left after Minato became the 4th. So he wasn't in Konoha when Itachi was that age anyways, Itachi would of had to be 7yrs old in that photo. So its not usable anyways. 108.28.14.25 (talk) 19:50, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Verily--Cerez365™☺ 20:36, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

READ THIS AND STOP REMOVING MY CHANGES
He became a Genin at 7, mastered the Sharingan at 8, became a Chunin at 10, half a year later he became an Anbu, Half a year after that he killed Shisui and gained the Mangekyo Sharingan at 11 years old, then The third managed to postpone his S-rank Uchiha Massacre Mission for a few years, He then became an Anbu Captain at 13, sometime immediately following that he kills his clan then flees Konoha. So it is a fact as it has been talked about and agreed upon and the proof is in the manga and databooks. So stop removing my changes to his photo. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 21:50, May 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's part of the problem: you're adding it to the image caption, where it has no business being. ~SnapperTo 23:29, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Then I guess the fact that his age was given in the picture he is holding baby Sasuke doesn't gave any business being there either huh? No. The majority of naruto fans do not have any idea what age he was when he did it, so its a good idea to say it in that photo. I'm not being an ass, My point is valid. Like Asuma and Shizune need ages added to a photo on each of there pages and Kakashi needs ages added to two of his. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:19, May 3, 2011 (UTC)