Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20171028231750/@comment-734582-20171103214816

Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Nature energy is available for anyone to manipulate. So is the power of Biju, provided you have the skills and jutsu to tap into that. Namikazenaruto9 wrote: SM isn't stealing power. It's not power you normally possess. By it's definition it's external power. Subjugating others for your gain is also external power. How and why is semantics, all that matters is that Madara using Kurama is every bit as legit and every bit as much his power as Sage Mode is for Hashirama. It's external power either way, that requires jutsu and skill to master, either way. It was within Madara's power to subjugate Kurama and it was within Hashirama's power to gather nature energy. Power is power. Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Typical example of another such summon Kurama. Has similar problems. It's chakra enhances a lot has too much brute force, tailed Beast bomb etc. Not with Madara, it's not. Madara used him to counter Hashirama's Sage mode. After that, they fought normally again. Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Well for starters Madara didn't use Izanagi to escape death. He had taught his eye like Itachi taught sasuke's eye amaterasu outside the time. i have no idea what you're trying to say here. Madara used Izanagi to escape death. The longest time anyone held it was 5 minutes, and that was Obito with his various mods. So whatever happened exactly, in the final moments of their fight Madara must have had to activate it. Hence, the chakra argument doesn't work.

It doesn't matter what hashirama wanted. Of course he didn't want to kill his old friend. Yet it was clear that Madara was beyond reason, and it didn't require more than the initial exchange of words for hashirama to realize this. He had no choice in this, and only by fighting with the intent to kill could he match Madara.

After a brief exchange of swords, hashirama was forced into Sage Mode and had to cast the most powerful jutsu he knew, the True: several thousand hands. if that's not being serious, if that's not being dedicated to killing Madara, i don't know what is.