Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26358288-20150620214155/@comment-25093611-20150624191432

first fight = pain wins at least if both have no knowledge of each other, afterall it was said that jiraya ould have won if he had infos about pain abilitys...

second fight = im not sure, both can use all 5 natures to a hugh extend and are fairly good in normal combat, and both have powerful jutsus too, the only reason why i give it to kakuzu would be that he has to be killed 5 times while hiruzen dies once and is finished ^_^