Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20180513035214/@comment-26107879-20180516201549

LegionZero wrote:

This actually proves my point. Those who have 6 Paths Senjutsu have TSB. The Coffin Seal profile corroborates this as well. This lends credence that Tenseigan Chakra Mode is a form of 6 Paths Senjutsu, but different from the Coffin Seal and 6 Paths Sage Mode.

That doesn't prove anything. Since you are saying only those who blossom SPS get to use them. But that is never stated, there is no indication in the Databook that states that is the only way. In fact, since we're using the Databook here. Let's show what the DB4 says about SPS itself.

"From the ancestor of shinobi, a divine state is gifted, touching the principles of all creation, commanding all things in nature. The qualities for obtaining this technique are strict studying and using a small gist in chakra kneading sensibility. An iron faith to face any hardship and the guts to never give up. Furthermore, the returning incarnation and fate's guidance ― this power is granted by the Sage of Six Paths only to someone who holds those. Those who activate the technique come to understand the flow of all life, gain a deep insight at the world's origins and are able to apply it on interacting allies without changing the way of things. This technique isn't something shinobi choose to experience. It is a technique that chooses shinobi."

I see no qualities here that Toneri possessed. It also states it's only granted by Hagoromo. Interesting. Still want to use the Databook?

Despite the marks disappearing from both Naruto and Sasuke they still had all their 6 Paths abilities. Those marks/powers were for 6 Paths Chibaku Tensei. Under the 6 Paths Chibaku Tensei entry in the databook, the "powers" are for activating it. They are not markers for determining whether or not they have their 6 Paths abilities.

You should re-read the Manga, or even just search the wiki. Six Paths Yin Power is not Six Paths Senjutsu. They are two separate powers. One is comprised solely of Yin Release. The other is comprised of a variety of things and still remains entirely unknown other than it utilizes Senjutsu. If Toneri inherited all of Hamura's abilities, Sixth Paths Yin Power included; he would have the mark to represent it.

I am saying that if A is required for B, then having B means that one has A. What you are saying is that because A can lead to B, having A means that one also has B.

I don't see how this is such a crazy idea because when we look at Madara, he has Susanoo and there is no statement/showing/confirmation of any kind that he has any Sharingan abilities, but because they are required to awaken Susanoo, we accept that he has them without confirmation.

Too bad in this case, A (Sixth Paths Senjutsu) is never stated to be required for B (Truth Seeking Ball). I also provided clear examples of A and B.

First Limbo. All that I recall being stated for Limbo, is you need Rinnegan. Not even the Databook states that it's exclusive to Madara only, therefore the statement stands. Sasuke in your logic, has Limbo. Sasuke has A (Rinnegan), therefore he has B (Everything that comes with it, all Rinnegan abilities including Limbo), according to your logic.

Second Susano'o. Since the Databook stated Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu is required for Susano'o, Sasuke, Madara, Kakashi, and Indra all have those. Yet, they aren't listed as user's in any of the Databooks including the ones that came afterwards. Weird. But according to your logic, since they have A, they should have B right? Yet, they don't. Odd.

Third Hashirama's DNA. Because Naruto has it, he should get all that comes with it aka B right? He should have Wood Release? By your logic, he has Wood Release.

Your logic fails.

Edit Note: Continuing the discussion here is just going off topic. The point remains that Toneri is not equal to Hamura as Lorenzo said. I will introduce the topic under Toneri's Talk Page, if you wish to continue, go there.

Secondary Edit Note: It has already been discuss by the Mods. Look for it under TSB's Talk Page. SPS is not the only way to obtain TSB due to insufficient evidence.