Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-142748-20150410212019/@comment-5547501-20150412093223

SuperSaiyaMan wrote:

Not really. There is one fight where he had no choice but to go all out: fighting Naruto and Bee. Due to the Fuda Tag, Itachi was forced to fight at his full potential since he couldn't hold back. yet his performance was underwhelming for the mythical 'healthy Itachi' don't you think?

His shunshin blitz? Intercepted and Naruto casually talked to him

His fabled Genjutsu? Broken and B nearly turned him into shishkabob like Sasuke.

His first Mangekyo Sharingan usage? He didn't even know Kotoamatsukami had finished charging so he was fighting blind.

Naruto could easily block Kirin, considering the attack is far weaker than even one of his KN6 Bijudama, but he'd need to be in Biju Mode at minimum to do it.

Those 3 examples are really countering any points.

1. That wasn't proper shunshin blitz, it was really just him jumping into the air for an aerial assault, the smoke was just to cover the fact that that's where he went.

2. That wasn't Itachi's 'fabled genjutsu'. When people talk about that they usually mean Tsukuyomi, which was the main reason Itachi's genjutsu prowess was so revered. The one he used against B was at best just Genjutsu: Sharingan which, since other people have broken out of, I'm not surprised that a perfect jinchuriki like B broke. If Itachi had used Tsukuyomi, the outcome would very likely have been different.

3. He didn't even end up using any Mangekyo techniques, though even if he had, it wouldn't have been up to his full potential, since he was being controlled by Kabuto.

Where's the proof that he was weaker when Kabuto was manipulating him? Those above examples are all during Kabuto's control. After the control was broken with Koto, Itachi:

1. Blitzed all of Nagato's summons with Kunai whilst simultaneously saving B and Naruto from a 'full-power' Nagato.

2. Instantly figured out what Nagato's Chibaku Tensei did and how to counter it, which he then proceeded to do.

3. One-shotted Nagato with the Totsuka Blade.

I don't know whether or not Itachi would be able to beat Hashirama, but he is far better than what you are trying to make him out to be.

Also I know it was a while back in the discussion, but you continuously kept saying that Madara was better at Genjutsu than Itachi and that was why Hashirama wouldn't have to worry that much about Tsukuyomi and then your evidence was that Madara used a weaker Infinite Tsukuyomi on Obito. The truth is, Madara would never have used that level of Genjutsu against Hashirama or any other opponent ever. At the time that he used it he said that he was using the Gedo Mazo's power to create that genjutsu. Also he said to Obito 'look into my eye' and he was simply showing it to Obito, who wouldn't have tried to break it anyway. So that example isn't viable at all.