Talk:Human Puppet

Kinjutsu?
Doesn't this jutsu violate the laws of nature, ie. kinjutsu?
 * That depends on what you mean.
 * The technique of using human puppets to fight would be the same as the ordinary Puppet Technique. In other words, not a kinjutsu
 * The technique of making humans into human puppets wouldn't be a ninjutsu at all, really. So no, this also wouldn't be a kinjutsu.
 * --ShounenSuki (talk 22:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hang on. The technique of making humans into human puppets would require some high-class medical ninjutsu. At the very least the user would need to be able to alter the laws of nature to preserve the chakra of the puppet. So wouldn't that be a ninjutsu?-Enoki911 (talk) 06:33, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * Or it requires a scalpel, a couple of real-life medical appliances, and a lot of patience.
 * Even if Sasori did use medical ninjutsu, which we are not even sure he is capable of, that still would not make "the act of turning a human into a human puppet" a ninjutsu on its own, just like how "killing your opponent with a successive use of a couple of Fire Releases and a well-aimed Earth Release" would not be considered a ninjutsu. --ShounenSuki (talk 14:10, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess you're right.--Enoki911 (talk) 04:11, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Kankuro
If Kankuro is using Sasori as a puppet, doesn't it mean that he's using a human puppet as well? He might not be the one who created the puppet, but he's certainly using one. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:18, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting issue you raise, I'd say no.
 * A human puppet is a puppet created from a living human, keeping the human's chakra and the abilities related to that. In that definition, Sasori actually isn't a human puppet. He made parts of himself into a puppet, but it was his flesh and blood core that allowed him to use chakra. If he had been able to turn that into a puppet part as well, he'd have been a human puppet, but he wasn't able to do that. He never became a human puppet while he was alive, and he most likely didn't become one after he died. --ShounenSuki (talk 00:39, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

No, a human puppet is a puppet created from a human body. Since Sasori created a puppet out of his own body, I think he should count. Yatanogarasu 01:05, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Human puppets can also use chakra, something Sasori can't do anymore. Technically, he is just a normal puppet. Jacce | Talk 08:12, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sasori can too use chakra, otherwise he wouldn't be able to use the Puppet Technique, summon the Third Kazekage with the scroll, or the Red Secret Technique: Performance of a Hundred Puppets. All of these require the usage of chakra, which would grant Sasori the status of human puppet (or "half human puppet", since he was still alive at the time to control himself). The chakra is just stored in his core, or maybe the core is controlling the chakra stored within the body. Yatanogarasu 01:19, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Chiyo transformed a part of herself into a puppet as well. The principle is the same, even if Sasori did a lager version. Jacce | Talk 08:28, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * The whole point of Sasori's character was that he failed to completely turn himself into a puppet. The part that he did manage to change was no different from Chiyo's arm: not a human puppet. --ShounenSuki (talk 08:43, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Chapter 271 page 10 and Naruto Shippūden Episode 25: Sakura notes that Sasori turned himself into a "human puppet", not just a normal puppet. Yatanogarasu 01:47, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Since when is Sakura an expert on puppetry? Simant (talk) 13:37, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Just before dying, Sasori himself said that he was neither human nor puppet, cause he failed in turning into a puppet completely, because he still had his heart. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:01, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if Sasori was a human puppet before he died, he isn't now. He can't use chakra, and he has no living parts left, just a puppet boy that je transferred his heart into. So, Kankuro isn't using a human puppet. -Enoki911 (talk) 23:15, December 28, 2009 (UTC)