Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-28731007-20160627160729/@comment-28999689-20160718154114

Gaara lost that fight by a mile kimmimaro was just sick he showed his true power at the end by surviving that tsunami and was about to take out gaara while fighting the entire time with a terminal illness that had him seconds away from death. And tsunade didn't almost kill jiraiya, if jiraiya fought tsunade on even footing starting 20 meters away both intent to kill jiraiya takes it all day. Pain said he could have beat him if he knew the secrets and tsunade had information on pain but had no shot. Yeah a beating b doesn't mean a beats c in every case but now it does because tsunade's lack of jutsu, for a senju it was stated by Madara she was weak and disgusting and only acknowledged her a little bit when she activated her seal. Strength is good but if that's such a winner then choji should be top tier. The reason tsunade has no lengthy preparations is because everything she does is physical, the no hand seals was cool for minato because he used FTG so that speed was beneficial but tsunade doesn't have that so the no extra jutsu kinda destroys her combat effectiveness unless you're a big target or just slow