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Re: Onmyouton and Izanagi
At the moment, there is very little information about Onmyōton. However, from what we have been told, it seems Onmyōton is indeed an advanced element created by fusing Inton and Yōton. However, it is clear Inton, Yōton, and Onmyōton work somewhat differently from the other elements, so even if we can draw the conclusion that it is an advanced element, ir might not have to be like other advanced elements like Hyōton and Mokuton.

I'm not sure about Izanagi being Onmyōton. I would have to reread those parts of the manga that deal with this technique. However, if my memory serves me well, Izanagi is indeed an Onmyōton ninjutsu. —ShounenSuki (talk 01:10, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ostrich techniques
Where exactly did you get the kanji for those? Did you go by the sound or did you use some sort captioned version of the episode? I'm looking into the literal translation of some to move them. For example, the last kanji in Ostrich Whirlwind would add the word "strike" to the technique's name, and so on. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:55, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're going by the translation used in crunchyroll subs, they're not very literal. They usually simplify names. For example, the Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique. They drop the bullet part of it. You can tell by the sound of a technique that there is stuff they're changing or just plain dropping. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:30, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Crunchyroll. It's a site where people can officially watch Naruto Shippūden episodes officially, for free, though it takes a week for the latest chapter to be available for everyone, it has English subbed simulcasts. I'm not sure who makes the translations. But like I said above, they make some changes to the name of stuff. Dialog, I've been told, usually goes unscathed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:20, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know them, they took over once dattebayo stopped subbing Naruto, though they did sub before dattebayo stopped. When I really like an episode, I download a subbed version from them. As long as you have a good Internet connection, you should be able to watch Shippuden at crunchyroll with no problems. Try watching an episode to see if the subs differ much. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:53, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Go to goodanime.net, the episodes they have are the ones from crunchyroll. At least the most recent ones are. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:08, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Looking for a kanji
I'm guessing you mean 創, although I'm not sure 'concept' is such a good translation for it. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:27, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Release Schedule for WSJ
Yes, the Weekly Shōnen Jump generally hits the stores on Mondays. The issues are illegally leaked to the web before that, hence why we're able to read them earlier. Chapter 522, for instance, shouldn't have been released until 4th January.

There are generally weeks off during important Japanese holidays, like Golden Week, New Year's, and Obon and Kishimoto-sensei often takes a break somewhere near the end of the year as well. —ShounenSuki (talk 20:25, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * The 4th January issue will be released on a Tuesday instead of a Monday, due to New Year's. We get them even earlier than usual during holidays because they are actually already printed before the holidays, just not distributed.
 * I wouldn't know exactly how they are leaked, but I'm assuming someone who works there secretly takes pictures of the issues before they are published and spreads those around. —ShounenSuki (talk 20:45, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to intrude, but I think some of your questions are answered here. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:53, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Dajimu and Tera
The ・ can also be used as a comma of sorts. Although it's certainly possible Dajimu Tera is only one person, there are several reasons I believe it is more likely they are two separate persons. They are Root members and so far, no root member has been given a double name — Double names using a ・ are rare in the first place. Then there's the fact that Danzō actually uses both names. There is no reason he would be using the family name as well as the given name.

As for your second question, there are several sites you could use, like [rawmangaspot.blogspot.com this one] and [narutoverse.org this one]. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:07, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Japanese name for advanced elements?
I'll have to check to be sure, but I don't believe they have ever been given a proper name. —ShounenSuki (talk 20:19, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Sousatsu
As i'm not that well versed in Japanese i'll leave it you might very well be right. --Cerez365 (talk) 14:59, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Question to ShounenSuki
It's something Zabuza says to Kakashi before Kabuto kills his personality. The translation is available at the Quotes section in Zabuza's article. It means "I died as a human". Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:28, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Points after kanji
Those points are for emphasis. A bit like how italics are used in English. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:29, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re: New OVA's name
There's a new OVA? —ShounenSuki (talk 21:53, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh that silly little animation. I consider it an extremely spoiler-heavy sales trick. I'll check and see if it actually has a name or anything.
 * As for 五大, it should be translated as something along the lines of Great Five. Sure, it's the Japanese name for their five elements, but that doesn't justify translating it as something like that. Translate literally if you can, liberally if you must. —ShounenSuki (talk 23:54, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re: CHAPTER 524 TRANSLATIONS
Neji already uses Jūkenhō in chapter 101, so I just went with precedent there. I don't have the raw, so I cannot verify it yet. The same goes for the Second Tsuchikage's name, but the spoilers are quite clear there. It's not uncommon for 無 to be pronounced as Mū as a name. —ShounenSuki (talk 10:29, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Raiton: Kuropansa
I doubt it, the name makes no sense like that. —ShounenSuki (talk 12:57, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know the furigana is written in hiragana. I'd already seen he raw as well. Still, the name makes no real sense without the pun and the pun is too obvious. The hiragana might simply be a mistake. —ShounenSuki (talk 16:33, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and yeah, I know the term 隠れ里. Why, if I may ask? —ShounenSuki (talk 17:07, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's used, like, everywhere. It's the common term for a shinobi village, even in real life. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:17, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * 隠れ里 isn't a special term? —ShounenSuki (talk 17:52, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now why would he do that when he has a perfectly good real term to use? —ShounenSuki (talk 18:36, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Treasured Tools
操り does no just mean 'manipulating'. It can also refer to operating things like machinery or, in this case, those tools. —ShounenSuki (talk 10:44, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * The First databook states that the Second Hokage died during a Shinobi World War, without saying what number. This either means it was the first or the latest. The latest (the third) is impossible, so it has to be the first. If you want more proof, SWWII was the one that the Sannin fought in. It started twenty years after SWWI. If this was the same war that the Second Hokage died in, it must have lasted almost three decades and SWWI must have started years before the founding of the villages, which is impossible because the shinobi world wars are actually wars between the villages. —ShounenSuki (talk 12:08, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Chapter 527
That sentence simply means "the word one has spoken most often". In Japanese, a word modifies the word following it, so to understand a sentence, it is often handy to start at the end. In this case, we have a word. The word is spoken. It is spoke a lot. It is the number one most spoken, in fact. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:37, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * 一番 – number one
 * 多く – much, many
 * 口にした – 'to do from/with the mouth': to speak, to eat, to taste
 * 言葉 – word

Re: the pot's kanji
I could've sworn that was already known... The kanji is. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:21, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure, yeah. It's heavily stylised, but still.
 * The episode counting, I never understood myself either. I asked several times, I believe, but never got a good answer. Maybe you should raise the issue again. —ShounenSuki (talk 20:26, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Re: New databook?
I wish I could tell you more, but unfortunately I can't. However, judging by the previous three databooks, the fourth one should come out this year. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:01, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re: The Shouton issue
The translation you gave was actually pretty accurate. This does leave the question of whether or not Shōton is an actual element. Personally, I don't care much for the anime, so this is pretty much a non-issue for me. Still, I took the time to form an opinion for you.

As it is now, I can see three possible explanations for Shōton:
 * 1) it's an entirely new element;
 * 2) it's a special form of Doton;
 * 3) and it's a non-elemental ability to crystallise matter.

Now there are several reasons why the first option is the most likely:
 * 1) it is named following the patterns for the other elements;
 * 2) it has effects and uses unlike other elements;
 * 3) and it has a unique look.

If it had been a special form of Doton, I don't think it would have been depicted as an ability unique to Guren, nor would it have been given a new name.

If it had been a non-elemental ability to crystallise matter, it really should create similar crystals every time; that really points to it actually creating crystals out of chakra alone.

So really, the most likely conclusion would be that Shōton is a new element. Either that, or the anime writers once again screwed up big time, which, I'll admit, is not altogether unlikely either.

Of course, unless Shōton is somehow given more exposition, we'll never find out the real intentions behind it. It's a shame, but a fact of life. —ShounenSuki (talk 11:00, April 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * There are no real rules concerning capitalisation and spacing in rōmaji. Generally, the proper nouns and first letters of sentences are capitalised, as in English. Spacing is more difficult, as it is often hard to discern what constitutes a word. For instance, a sentence like:
 * あの灰とは僕は焼き尽くした太郎の家です.
 * Could be spaced like:
 * Ano hai towa boku wa yakitsukushita Tarō no ie desu.
 * Ano hai to wa boku wa yaki tsukushita Tarō no ue desu.
 * Ano haitowa Bokuwa yakitsukushita Tarōno ue desu.
 * Or any of a dozen different combinations of this. I tend to go more for the first one, keeping particles separate from the words they modify, but joined together, and keeping compound verbs together, as long as it doesn't look too unreadable. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:08, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Correct name
Good question, really. I guess the reason is because shippūden is treated very much like a subtitle, which in English is usually separated from the actual title with a colon. The Japanese title doesn't need any separation between the titles because it already has one: the actual Japanese title is ＮＡＲＵＴＯ－ナルト－疾風伝, with the －ナルト－ acting as the separation. —ShounenSuki (talk 19:16, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, no it isn't. It's an official part of the name. Just check TV Tokyo, Shōnen Jump, and Wikipedia. —ShounenSuki (talk 19:31, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks like furigana, but the way it's used indicates otherwise. One Piece, Bleach, Sket Dance, and Reborn! all also have the furigana in katakana in their logos, yet with none of them it's ever written together with the actual titles. Just check this message from the Shōnen Jump website:
 * 『ONE PIECE』『NARUTO-ナルト-』『BLEACH』『銀魂』『REBORN!』『ぬら孫』『SKETDANCE』などJF2011複製原画、超豪華ラインナップで予約受付中！
 * As for the English rendering of the title, well, it would look very awkward with the double Naruto and it's never actually pronounced with a double Naruto, either in English or Japanese. Just keeping it as Naruto is just fine.
 * As for the Rikudō and the Jūbi, Madara says:
 * Madara's words seem to imply that the moon itself is the Jūbi's body, yet when you consider Nagato's words on the Chibaku Tensei:
 * It seems to imply that the moon was created by a Chibaku Tensei as well. this does seem to be the most logical conclusion, given the shapes of the moon and Jūbi. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:25, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems to imply that the moon was created by a Chibaku Tensei as well. this does seem to be the most logical conclusion, given the shapes of the moon and Jūbi. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:25, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems to imply that the moon was created by a Chibaku Tensei as well. this does seem to be the most logical conclusion, given the shapes of the moon and Jūbi. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:25, May 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Dōjutsu refers to both the actual kekkei genkai themselves and the techniques based on those kekkei genkai. Both Sharingan and Amaterasu are dōjutsu. I don't quite understand what you mean with anomaly, but Sharingan refers to everything related to the actual eye and the abilities it grants. It's all connected. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:29, May 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Normally, I would agree with you that Nagato's story could merely be folklore. However, that is simply not the way storytelling works. Kishimoto-sensei didn't put that mention in because he wanted us to think it was a mere myth. He put it in because he either wanted us to think the moon was created by Chibaku Tensei, or because he wanted to purposefully misguide us. Since there's nothing that points to the latter option, the only realy conclusion is that the moon was, in fact, created by the Rikudō Sennin using Chibaku Tensei in an attempt to store the Jūbi's body in a safe location. In other words, as long as nothing directly disproves either of them, both Madara and Nagato were correct. The reason why the Rikudō's Chibaku Tensei is still whole is probably the same reason why our moon hasn't crumbled down.
 * The databooks clearly and unambiguously call techniques like Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and Kamui dōjutsu. Check here, for instance.
 * As for your final question: yes, Yōton refers both to the nature and the kekkei genkai and Sharingan both to the actual eye and the underlying genetic characteristics. —ShounenSuki (talk 01:27, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, but they are. Amaterasu, for example, is a ninjutsu, a kekkei genkai, and a dōjutsu (and a katon and possibly an enton). It's a dōjutsu, for it is used through an eye. It's a ninjutsu, for it uses moulded, nature-transformed chakra that doesn't invade the opponents body to cause illusions. It's a kekkei genkai, for it requires a specific genetic make-up to be able to use.
 * Dōjutsu refers to anything related to the eye, whether it be the actual ability or the techniques that ability allows for. The same is true for kekkei genkai, it refers to the actual ability and to the techniques that ability allows for.
 * The moon thing is really impossible to tell at this moment. MAybe there wasn't a moon before the Rikudō created one. It's a fictional story and Kishimoto-sensei might simply not be aware of what an impact that would have on the Earth. Maybe there was a moon and the Rikudō merged his Chibaku Tensei with it or even used the moon itself as a source for his Chibaku Tensei. Maybe the moon had been destroyed before and the Rikudō decided to create a new one with the Jūbi's body in it. —ShounenSuki (talk 10:48, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * That sounds about right. —ShounenSuki (talk 15:52, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Translations
Unfortunately, I can't help you with the first two questions. I don't know where you could download the Kai no Sho and I never actually translated anything substantial from the Herobook. Most of the information in it is either repeated from earlier databooks and the manga, or repeated in the third databook. Your third question, I can answer. Although usage varies a great deal, the way Kishimoto-sensei uses furigana for names is generally quite consistent and actually has little to do with the meaning. Family names get hiragana and given names get katakana. This mirrors how the general kanji-less names are written. This doesn't actually indicate that the meanings are meant to be ignored or anything. Obviously the names of people like Gaara, Hidan, and Kakuzu have deep meanings behind them, despite being written in kanji with katakana furigana. the same goes for characters with pure katakana names like Naruto, Chōji, and Kiba.

The meanings of names like Karin and Jūgo, though, seem to have little relevance. Although this may just mean the meanings aren't that obvious. —ShounenSuki (talk 22:14, May 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Writing something in katakana doesn't take away the meaning. 'Ringo' still means apple, whether it is written in hiragana, katakana, or kanji. In fact, the most common way to write it is in katakana. When it comes to Naruto, you can be sure that if a name is written in kanji — regardless of the furigana — its meaning has some relevance.
 * You mentioned Earth Release: Sandwich Technique, so I'll explain that one quickly. The furigana are written in katakana here because 'sando' is a foreign word that is always written in katakana. It has nothing to do with the fact that it is used as a pun, here. The fact that it has unrelated kanji assigned to it doesn't mean the meanings of the kanji should be ignored. In fact, I'd say those meanings are rather important. It's basically writing two words in one go: one word gives us the meaning of 'mountain' and 'earth', the other gives us the meaning of 'sandwich'. Both are equally important, really. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:10, May 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Heh, don't get too frustrated now ^^
 * Gaara's name most certainly does have a meaning and it's the only name — besides Naruto's — that has its meaning play an actual part in the plot. Its furigana is written in katakana because that's how Kishimoto-sensei writes practically all given names. Again, the katakana have nothing to do with the meaning.
 * It's 'sando' and not 'sand', because the Japanese have no way to write a sing 'd' sound without having it being followed by a vowel. Normally, the Japanese would use a 'u' sounds, as that sound is often silent, but what would be the 'du' is actually pronounced as 'zu' in Japanese. The 'o' sounds was second-best.
 * Japanese grammar is actually a lot more straightforward, logical, and simple than English grammar — or most grammars, actually. It's just very different from most Indo-European grammars.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 21:01, May 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've always been good with languages, so you could say I have a natural affinity for them. Still, I just read a lot about the Japanese language and tried to sue it as often as I could. Really, I did nothing special to become as proficient as I am today. Anyone could do it with enough effort. The most important thing is to keep having fun with it.
 * Yes, the true purpose of furigana is to show how the kanji should be pronounced. The secondary purpose is to allow a deeper meaning to be given to a word, like how the title of chapter 220 is 兄と弟, with the furigana saying the names of Itachi and Sasuke, respectively.
 * Rōmaji stands for the romanisation of Japanese. Romanising a language means nothing more than transcribing the original writing into the Latin alphabet. In other words, the proper rōmaji — the proper romanisation — for サンドイッチ is 'sandoicchi'. Writing it as 'sandwich', despite that being the actually meant word, is not romanising it. It wouldn't be transcribing, but translating.
 * In my life, I had to learn the grammar rules of Dutch, English, German, and French, and by myself learnt the rules of Japanese and Quenya. Dutch is my mother tongue, giving me an advantage there, and I've been exposed to English for as long as I can remember. Despite this, I still found the basic Japanese grammar rules to be far more straightforward and easy to learn. I'd rather learn the systematic ways of conjugating Japanese verbs than the irregular and unpredictable ways of conjugating Dutch verbs. I'd take the clear-cut Japanese particles over the almost arbitrarily applied English prepositions.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 23:04, May 8, 2011 (UTC)