Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36512555-20180814043009/@comment-34194151-20180908232155

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Obito rotated his wrist. Rotational velocity =/= translational velocity. His arm was in the same spot before minato even was aware he was being sneaked up on. If his hand speed/arm speed was on par, why don't we see him grabbing minato's arm before the kunai is passing through his head? It wasn't pure speed as I said, his thumb simply obstructed minato' arm while minato was suprised that his hand phased through. In fact, once minato fully understood how kamui worked, obito never came close to touching him again, the fight went completely according to minato's plan, let obito get close, and bait him into materializing, then strike with FTG. That should prove that obito hardly did better than the raikage. Obito failed to touch minato again in CQC after he figured out how he needed to win. And as I said, there was nothing stopping minato from using FTG to avoid the arm grab, he was simply surprised and obito only needed a minimal movement to trap him. The proof of this is that obito starts monolouging a panel later, and minato hasn't taken any other action, he is literally standing where watching obito. By this logic, we might as well say kcm2 naruto blitzed obito in the kamui dimension when he cracked his mask with rasengan, when we know that only happened because was caught off guard, he wasn't expecting naruto to be there. Let me ask you this, if I start 5 meters from a finish line, but usain bolt starts 20 meters away, am I faster than him if i reach first? of course not. obito's hand was basically already where it needed to be, and in the time it took minato to turn around and swing his kunai through his head, obito only had time to activate and deactivate kamui (mental reaction) and doing a mirco-rotation of his wrist and intercept minato's arm. I'm saying this is a bit of apples and oranges because minato never tried to use FTG until the warping happened, he simply tried to one shot kill obito with the kunai to the head. He did no such thing against ayy,and ayy didn't have kamui to surprise minato. also ayy was clearly aiming for minato's head, not minato's arm, with his punch. Minato already had the predetermined plan of using FTG level 2 on Ayy. You think that if minato had known about kamui when obito sneaked up on him on the hokage monument, that he wouldn't use FTG level 2 immediately? IF he did, this is how it would have turned out. Obito sneaks up on him, minato turns around and releases the kunai as he swings his arm through obito's head. Obito catches minato's arm again for a millisecond, and then minato FTG level 2's him. the end. That's the best case scenario for obito.

2) It probably wasn't clear, but I have already retconned my own statment that Ayy was slowing down. He wasn't slowing down. But as I said, the dark lines are all on the raikage, not the kunai. We would see the movement lines clear as day if it was moving, just like we see the movement lines every other time minato throws them. My theory is that when ayy was closing in on minato's nose, minato raised his right hand and simply released the kunai, which would explain why it lacks horizontal movement lines. He didn't grab the kunai because he didn't have time. Minato's FTG is instant, it's hard for the manga to portray that. minato got to the tree, and then a nanosecond later he teleported to ayy's back, and caught his kunai. Then he prepared to strike ayy down with this kunai, but we don't see the full action taken because in the next panel  bee knocked ayy away with his tentacle. Minato definitely has insane striking speed and dexterity to actually threaten ayy's life there before ayy could truck on forward, but we already knew minato could this because he essentially did the same thing to obito, and not even obito's mind could react.

3) Well that's the issue, we never saw how madara dealt with the 5 kage, it was off-panel. Madara can react to the raikage's speed but that doesn't make him faster. Slower characters can react to and tag faster characters in the right situation, not to mention as I said, the raikage is known for running speed, not raw striking speed. Shunshin allows you to close the distance, but if the opponent has sufficient reactions they can block or bob/weave your strike, then it becomes about taijutsu speed/ skill. This isn't DBZ where if you are better in one speed stat you are better in all. There are also area of effect attacks too you know, which reduce the advantage of speed.Also, where is the evidence that tobirama and hashirama moved? They got blitzed, but they were able to react. And then mindless juubito just stood still after it was completely, he didn't try to move. hashirama caught him with wood style, which would be jutsu speed if anything.