Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36394790-20180824122210/@comment-31099706-20180825063527

Ravenlot 27 wrote: Just as a sidenote, Sasuke used the legged Susanoo after he got Naruto's Nine-Tails chakra shroud, and we know well enough about the powering qualitied of Kurama's chakra from the other recipients. Not opposing to that idea, but don't you think it would be mentioned ny atleast someone? Susanoo and EMS seemed always to be a matter of emotions and willpower/hate rather than power boosts(maybe). The way Sasuke used that Susanoo, and by everyone's reaction, it seemed it was more of the feat over Sasuke's will then Kurama Chakra, if it was, wouldn't Sasuke care to even it to himself?

Anyways, the power level of Sage Mode are dependent more over the user's base stats, as much I know. And since this is Sage Mode, no one ordinary can get it, so the stats has to be over the level above your average shinobi, with tons of chakra reserves, I guess. So, let's just say, 75% of what Sage Mode Naruto was against Pain?

I guess the same goes for EMS, but may I ask, which EMS are we talking about? Each MS grants a unique almost broken jutsu, which kind of makes the user strong enough beat anyone with one shot, unless the other has any counter to that said jutsu. Or are we considering this as the same as Madara's? Kirito975 wrote: Vladosaurus wrote: But here is where i kind stand on this theory. We havent seen anybody use a Perfect susanoo in EMS except for Madara, and my theory for this is because Madara's innate MS Power could be just the pure proficiency of using susanoo. Itachi & Sasuke was only able to use the legless susanoo during their MS, and then when Sasuke used his EMS, he was only able to use a Humanoid Version of Susanoo, and that doesn't necessarily depend on experience with the EMS, as when Madara gained Izuna's eyes, he fought Hashirama for the first time shortly after and brought out the PS.

Take note of when Sasuke first used Susanoo, it was the first form, and then it got evolved, and then further. It takes time for it, and it didn't seem like Sasuke's susanoo was his limit. As Orochimaru himself said, he had potentiel to even get stronger than Madara, when seeing his Susanoo, and that came from the genius of the show, in the science sense.

so the buff of EMS could be dependent on the user just like SM, Sasuke has shown be to be quite proficient in Shape Manipulation as seen with all the Raiton Variants, and his MS gave him Amaterasu & Enton, and his EMS game him complete mastery of it, but i dont think it could compete with a fully Realized sage, as its still regular chakra. so Senjustu Chakra > Regular Chakra. It still depends on the strength of the user's own chakra, Naruto's chakra was strong, really strong, so it's reasonable to get stronger. While a regular user of EMS can just be of regular chakra, as Obito mentioned, Sasuke's development of his Susanoo came with the benefits of his chakra power and body getting stronger and adjusting to the form, or something like that.

I know sasuke and Itachi wasnt trying to kill Kabuto and that wouldve most likely changed the outcome of the fight, but Kabuto was still very strong and able to compete with a Edo Itachi and a EMS Sasuke without really breaking a sweat Though Kabuto's powerful, he was taking full advantage of the situation,  and having the battlefield be the cave he can control and hide in made it even better, especially with all the blindning and sound jutsu.