Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20171028231750/@comment-27924662-20171104052516

Thekillman wrote: Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Nature energy is available for anyone to manipulate. So is the power of Biju, provided you have the skills and jutsu to tap into that. No its not. Not everyone has access to Biju. Only those who can summon or are jinchuriki can use it. Everyone has access to nature energy provided they can manipulate it. IT's not like Hashirama is hoarding others from the use. Thekillman wrote: It's not power you normally possess. By it's definition it's external power. Subjugating others for your gain is also external power. How and why is semantics, all that matters is that Madara using Kurama is every bit as legit and every bit as much his power as Sage Mode is for Hashirama. It's external power either way, that requires jutsu and skill to master, either way. It was within Madara's power to subjugate Kurama and it was within Hashirama's power to gather nature energy. Power is power. I will repeat myself SM isn't stealing powers. its use of environment to your own advantage. If that was the case than utilizing the battle field would be external power. It's a common factor on battle field which anyone can access to. NE doesn't has any favorites or personals. Thekillman wrote: Not with Madara, it's not. Madara used him to counter Hashirama's Sage mode. After that, they fought normally again. The ends don't justify the means. Scenarios are completely same. For starters Hashirama didn't enter the SM mode when they were fighting. Only when Hashirama realized the beast posed threat to village that he went to SM. Thekillman wrote: i have no idea what you're trying to say here. Madara used Izanagi to escape death. The longest time anyone held it was 5 minutes, and that was Obito with his various mods. So whatever happened exactly, in the final moments of their fight Madara must have had to activate it. Hence, the chakra argument doesn't work. Exactly my point. Madara didn't had chakra to use it. The best way to explain that Izanagi would be to say that he set it up like time bomb. And trigger for that bomb was his death. Thekillman wrote: After a brief exchange of swords, hashirama was forced into Sage Mode and had to cast the most powerful jutsu he knew, the True: several thousand hands. if that's not being serious, if that's not being dedicated to killing Madara, i don't know what is. When beast's attack went across the shore and threatened the village only than Hashirama went into SM. Using hostage to fight isn't really a good idea. And two a simple reason why we know that Hashirama didn't use full power is from his performance in 4th Great ninja war.