Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-25265296-20150827064037/@comment-3965545-20150828134255

Naruto and Sasuke are overrated. Their fight was over, and they ended I.T. they expended the rest of the chakra Hagoromo gave them. Sasuke of course since he is an Uchiha kept his Rinnegan. But Naruto lost SPSM, never shown using it ever again.. BUT he gained the FULL Kurama and a Hashirama arm. So he got stronger than when he fought Edo Tensei Madara that's for sure, but his absolute strongest will always when he got half of Hagoromo's chakra until he expended it all. IMO Hashirama in Sage Mode would wreck Naruto, and living, Dual Rinnegan Madara would wreck Sasuke. They are indeed very strong, but come on now... who else is alive to compare them to? Kakashi lost his sharingans period, along with the chakra that obito gave him so he's just normal old Kakashi with nothing special going on. If Healthy Prime Nagato, Healthy Itachi, Hashirama, Madara, Tobirama, Prime Hiruzen and Minato were alive then Naruto and Sasuke would easily have tough competition.. in fact in the 4th war they were contrasted with pathetic shells of living people(Edo Tensei) and white zetsu to make them look strong which is... pathetic. Obito alone before becoming TTJ took on Gai, Kakashi, Bee, and Naruto while using Six Paths of Pain on Edo Jinchuriki and controlling their tailed beasts, fighting with them himself and still he never lost to them. Naruto and Sasuke were below even Minato until they got the Sage's chakra gifts for a short time. I would put them at barely Sannin level in the 4th war pre-chakra gift, and a smidge above the Sannin after their fight and I.T. ended. From the Naruto: the Last forward, I would put them at Minato or Tobirama's level.