Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-25531508-20140923043228/@comment-25077020-20140924002334

AsianReaper wrote: I think Hiruzen really was stronger than Hashirama.

For one, Hiruzen said he was the strongest out of the team Tobirama was leading, when Tobirama was right there. And Tobirama didn't dispute it.

So what if he was the strongest out of the team tobirama was leading? how does that make hashirama inferior to him? When has it ever been said that hashirama was a part of team tobirama? Heck when hiruzen said that hashirama wasn't even around.

Madara said that Tobirama rivalled himself when they were both alive, so Hiruzen was stronger than Madara too (only in life though).

when did Madara say that? I don't remember.

And come on, Hiruzen held his own with the other Hokage as a 69 year-old man. that's gotta stand for something right? Even at that old, he spearheaded the fight against Guruguru too. The guy was a beast.

He's an edo tensei. Of course it's going to be easier to keep up. Even then compared to tobirama and minato, hiruzen was mostly in the background until guruguru came in, which brings me to the next point. Guruguru is just a weak hashirama clone. He's nothing compared to Hashirama himself. While hiruzens jutsu was extremely impressive, I hardly think guruguru is an acceptable replacement for hashirama.

He even defeated Orochimaru (albeit dying in the process) When Orochimaru attacked Konoha; right after fighting both his predecessors! (Albeit they were weakened).

Exactly they were weakened and severely at that. Also he didn't defeat Orochimaru. It was a stalemate at best. Of course he was 69 but that's still not proof that he could defeat hashirama even in his prime. severely weakened hashirama and tobirama + orochimaru who practically just watched does not equal hashirama in his prime.

I think he was the most powerful back in the day. Not to mention he knew every Ninjutsu known to Konoha (unless I'm mistaken). That's why they called him the Professor.

So what? back in his days hashirama was the most powerful. And that's a time where there were few or no fodders. Also knowing a jutsu and being able to use it are 2 different things. One can understand the mechanics or theory w/o being able to use them. Even if you are able to use them, it doesn't mean you're any good at using them.