Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-34115-20150626061048/@comment-1251315-20150626112839

Norleon wrote: But I'm just fed up with it all. Believe me, I'm also fed up with it. Because I feel like I hit a brick wall and nothing gets done, because it always ends up personal. And I'm sick of legitimate questions and suggestions turning personal because the other user doesn't like to hear a more appropriate opinion. And yes, I'll admit that I have been guilty of it in the past, but the past is in the past.

For example, we could start by solving the argument between Sajuuk and Snapper about what rights are correct to be used by who in which situation. A possible solution is to suggest that sysops should only become involved if there are no forum moderator or operators active to solve a situation. Otherwise, forum mods and ops would quickly become meaningless if the sysops can do it for us.

Or solve the problem of both Sajuuk and Seelentau to get personal so quickly when being opposed here and then. Not as bad as it has been, and you'll see that Seelentau agreed with me on a few points lately. :)

write episode summaries, shorten long articles like Naruto's instead of doing it himself. It's been said a lot and I'll repeat it: I do not have the time to write up episode summaries. I get, at most, 30 minutes to watch the episode, because I have to go to another house entirely to watch them. Once the episode is finished, I head back home, by which time I will have forgotten the episode. This is a wiki: it's a community of editors. Just because one user isn't able to do it, doesn't mean "nobody" can do it.

I did suggest, however, that I may start taking notes on the episodes and writing the articles myself, because nobody else is writing them anymore.

@TU3: Well we all know you haven't liked me for years, so I'm not surprised you think I should have my rights removed: you've wanted me to lose my rights ever since I became a rollback. I show quite a lot of respect to people, despite evidence to the contrary: people earn respect, they don't just "deserve" it on the basis that they have special flags or rights.

I don't think you are taking this seriously enough, based on the weird humour you use from time to time in very serious discussions. You forget that you are part of Wikia and Wikia does have the right to intervene and supercede any local decisions, should they choose to do so (usually in the cases of extreme tou violations). So don't just think that because Wikia doesn't intervene a lot, that they do not do so: especially as I've seen them intervening and overwriting local decisions before.

Also: To give a fun example from these forums this forum post about the character Gaara vs the Avatar:TLA character Toph. SuperSajuuk removed locked it because it wasn't exclusively about Naruto characters. Yet at the time, there was no rule stating otherwise, so I reopened the thread, so with no discussion (or at least one that I could find), the Versus Board was modified to exclusive to Naruto characters only. It didn't need to be stated as a rule, because this is a Naruto Wiki. The forums are for only "naruto" discussions, not just discussions that are about something other than Naruto or the wiki. There was no reason for the topic to stick around because it didn't really have much of a place on the wiki in the first place. It's called common sense: do you talk about cars on a forum about Bleach? No. Same logic applies here.

As Snapper2 has stated, he get's upset when sysops do not take an interest in the forums, but becomes very very protective of them when we decide to do so. And I've already debunked this claim, so there's no need to bring it up again.

Forum Operators were created because sysops were doing nothing to manage the forums when they were opened to more discussions, despite being asked many times to actually do something: the forums got into a bad state of affairs because the users with the rights to do anything about it were not doing anything at all. I got more and more irritated by your lack of intervention in forum discussions, hence Dantman decided to create some additional rights so that the users who were interested in the forums could moderate them, instead of having to constantly request sysops to do things that, for the majority of the time, they were ignoring.

At that point, there was little reason for sysops to become involved in forum matters, because other editors were taking the mantle to do it for them. My annoyance has always been the fact that, despite the mantle of moderating the forums being removed from sysops and given primarily to forum ops/mods, the sysops continue to moderate them: but hold up a minute, I thought I'd just pointed out they weren't moderating them before this?

Enough of the "If you disagree with me, I'll take it to Wikia!" talk Nope. Being a part of Wikia means you do what Wikia says, because they're above everyone here: Wikia is a company that manages a wikifarm and company policies always supercede local things.

If you don't like Wikia's decisions or opinions about how it runs the wikifarm, which supercede anything else, then you are free not to use Wikia. By signing up, you agreed to their TOU (which I've linked since many don't bother to read it). If you do something that could be considered a violation, Wikia has the right to be notified and intervene if necessary: that is how all Wikia wiki's operate.

Or, if you don't like having Wikia be above you in any way, you are free to suggest that the whole community be removed from Wikia entirely.