Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170916201627/@comment-35622277-20170918200410

Ninjachris wrote: Well I would like to think he can catch up to someone who is actually moving while he is using a teleportion tech you know like Minato and tobirama which still didn't make them anywhere near Madara or hashirama' strength, so was it Madara or was it not Madara speaking to himself I guess Kishi just felt to fill the space with empty words.

First it was shins visual prowess, then it was "oh no shin is actually Kages lvl", then it was "oh no sasuke was to far away" now it's he wanted shin alive what will it be next lemme have a go they wanted to make shin a honorary member of konoha. If that was the case why didn't naruto just subdue him with chakra arms or some clones. It was never stated or hinted that they wanted shin alive especially sasuke with sarada right there he definitely went for the kill.

What does TTJ Madara have to do with rinnegan sasuke was sasuke fighting him alone, naruto did the brunt of the work, naruto is the one who held the limbo clones at bay so that sasuke could even get the opportunity to ambush a fleeing Madara.

And you are wrong again or did you forget why the debate took this turn in the first place it's because of the idiotic posts about Sasuke using it to solo both hashi and Madara don't try to flip the script now.
 * That was plot, we can agree on that.
 * I have previously stated it was a combination of all those things.
 * Shin is an exceptionally powerful shinobi
 * Sasuke switch places with Shin Jr.
 * There's a distance between him and Shin Sr.
 * He needs time to weave seals and cast it
 * Fireball jutsu is slow
 * Shin used his ability to move the other Shin behind him, but didn't physically move, because he couldn't. All that, and by all technicalities he was defeated. Plot prevented Sasuke from restraining him. How hard is that to understand? The whole fight reeked of plot, because Naruto could have easily restrained them while they were flying down.
 * Yes, that is kind of my point. Naruto did the brunt of the work, yet Rinnegan Sasuke could keep up with him in VoTE2 Battle, even if Naruto was holding back. If he can do keep up with SPSM Naruto, TTJ Madara, Kaguya, no matter if it's barely keeping up, he can definitely keep up with SM Madara, and is most likely way faster. So yes, Sasuke may move faster, but this is offset by the fact Madara is in SM. I'm just refuting your point that SM Madara can stomp Rinnegan Sasuke, with the fact that if TTJ Madara or Kaguya couldn't immediately do so, SM Madara most certainly cannot.
 * Forget? I wasn't even here for that part. I just scrolled down and saw some of the replies at the bottom. I was just defending Ameno and what it can do, I never said he could solo just with Ameno, but with everything he has.

It wouldn't even be an easy solo. It's a high-diff solo depending on multiple factors. With Naruto it would be more mid-low high diff.