User talk:Omnibender

Thank You Omnibender. I'll check back through those episodes. Rayfire 15:10, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Re Tsunade
Don't worry about it.--TheUltimate3 01:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Ack
Erm, Omnibender... I merged your userpage which was being used like a talkpage, with your talkpage... Cept... A bug is stopping me from undeleting the old stuff to actually merge it. ^_^ heh, sorry, I'll poke the techs... ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Aug 25, 2008 @ 01:32 (UTC)

Rollback
Thanks. Jacce 04:58, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Omni. I didn't know you come here too. Zero 18:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I dont do much editting here too. Its a recent thing. Besides, My signature is incompatable here so I have to manually write my talk page link and then use five tildes to put a signature. Bummer, huh? But I do love watching Naruto. Zero 18:57, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Block
Done. Thanks for the information. Jacce 20:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

You are always welcome. Jacce 20:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce 06:24, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

The idea has crossed my mind, but so far I missed people like "Billyisbored" and unnamed vandals. Blocking pages will happend when there is major revert war or vandalism. Jacce 17:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce 20:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Taken care of. Jacce 06:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks. Jacce 07:01, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Dantman took care of it. Jacce 04:59, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce 19:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce 21:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Taken care of. Jacce 20:56, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce 05:45, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce 05:48, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Taken care of. Jacce 14:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce 06:47, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 18:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC) Fixed. Jacce 16:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Done. Jacce 06:32, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce 18:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce 05:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce 17:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Done. Jacce 05:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce 17:43, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Done. Jacce 05:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Many this time. Jacce 05:40, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Everything taken care of. Jacce 05:26, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce 18:46, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Done. Jacce 06:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce 20:17, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Done. Jacce 05:23, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce 19:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 06:54, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 16:55, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 04:46, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 04:40, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

TheUltimate3 fixed it. Jacce | Talk 06:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 06:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Snapper2 fixed it. Jacce | Talk 05:49, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 03:54, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 05:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 18:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 05:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 03:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 05:55, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 12:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 06:19, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 17:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 06:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 12:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 06:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 05:58, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocked and protected. Jacce | Talk 05:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 05:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 17:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 17:27, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 07:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 17:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 15:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 05:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 04:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 05:58, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 06:45, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 18:55, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 06:53, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 18:28, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Blocked and protected. Jacce | Talk 07:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 05:59, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 04:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 04:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 04:58, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

ShounenSuki fixed it. Jacce | Talk 04:54, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 04:10, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 05:40, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 05:12, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Charitwo fixed it. Jacce | Talk 04:37, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

I'm used to it. Blocked. Jacce | Talk 02:56, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 15:21, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 12:48, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

I tried with a warning, if it doesn't help, it will be blocking. Jacce | Talk 18:43, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed, both of them. Jacce | Talk 06:30, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Snapper2 fixed it. Jacce | Talk 05:55, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 15:06, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

TheUltimate3 fixed it. Jacce | Talk 16:11, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 14:38, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 15:03, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 06:13, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Snapper2 fixed it. Jacce | Talk 19:04, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 05:26, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 18:53, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 04:24, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 15:17, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 18:57, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 19:20, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 21:52, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 08:08, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked IP, warning to the user. Jacce | Talk 21:09, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 05:54, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 16:46, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 05:09, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 13:53, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 17:22, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 17:51, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 06:43, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 14:42, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 22:01, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 17:11, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 19:53, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 05:38, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 15:30, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 20:43, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 06:32, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 15:21, November 24, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 15:07, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 05:35, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. And I will keep my eye open. Jacce | Talk 15:50, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 06:49, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 19:15, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 12:44, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 06:29, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 20:06, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 06:03, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Reblocked. Jacce | Talk 22:21, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 17:19, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 05:57, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 21:02, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Snapper2 blocked him. Jacce | Talk 07:46, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 16:49, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 21:36, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 21:56, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 06:59, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 17:49, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 07:50, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 18:56, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 06:10, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 17:26, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 17:10, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 19:52, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 06:25, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 15:41, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 11:40, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 05:38, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 21:08, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. This time it must have been a record. Jacce | Talk 15:16, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. No, I can't. You should ask Dantman. Jacce | Talk 15:25, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 21:33, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 09:36, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 17:10, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 18:37, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Blocked. Jacce | Talk 20:59, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Block - Snapper Style
I think only Dantman can do range blocks. Even if I could, I don't really like blocking IPs hours afterwards unless they start returning periodically. ~SnapperTo 19:54, November 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * I've only seen Dantman do it, but I'll take your word on it. ~SnapperTo 20:07, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

The blocking policy discourages blocks for minor infractions such as those. ~SnapperTo 23:09, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Re: protection
Naruto is protected so only users can edit it, I hope that will be enough. The other two are protected for a few days. Jacce 05:19, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Since the chapter is out, should the clan still be protected? Jacce | Talk 07:08, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Jacce | Talk 21:08, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Opinion
Yes, and I left my opinion on Talk:Madara Uchiha. Sorry for not telling you on your talk page, I was in a bit of a hurry. Jacce 14:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Telicons
How do you make a telicon, because the Hyuga one is wrong. If anything it should be the Yin Yang symbol since it's everywhere in their clan, even their jutsus.

Also, I trying to create a "Sacred Items" page where the Three Treasures, First Hokage's Necklace, the Totsuki sword will be etc. Is that okay? Or would "Legendary Items" fit better?

Nature Transformation Page

 * You do realis that  |  is used when u want to add a different name than the link..eg.. Sasuke Uchiha, u just want it to show Sasuke then = Sasuke ...In the nature transformation page  |  is unnecessary..AlienGamer | Talk 21:57, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh...allrite then..AlienGamer | Talk 22:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm also.. sorr...y. Simant (talk) 22:05, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem, not many people use it to change the sortname in categories, so not many people know about it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:07, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Naruto Shippuden Movie 3
Where did you see naruto shippuden movie 3 (even if it isn't eng sub)? Cooltamerboy (talk) 20:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC).

So you didn't watch it? And where did you ever know about the chirema technique? Cooltamerboy (talk) 21:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC).

Re: SVG program
I use a programme called Inkscape. But wouldn't it be easier to make a table or something? Unless you have something special in mind, of course. --ShounenSuki (talk 20:03, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * you mean something like this?:

Elemental recomposition table
 * Feel free to use this template as you see fit. If not, then I advise you to get Inkscape and use that. It's free and quite simple to use. If you need any help with it, feel free to ask. --ShounenSuki (talk 21:11, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * I say it looks just fine. It'll look better with more natures incorporated, but I have no doubt that'll happen in due time. --ShounenSuki (talk 21:55, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * With a bit of luck, it won't be too long before the table can be completed ^^ --ShounenSuki (talk 22:32, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you still planning to add the table to the Nature Transformation article? Right now, people are messing around with images and such, but I feel a simple table that can be easily modified is much better. --ShounenSuki (talk 23:29, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Would it really be necessary to turn it into a template? --ShounenSuki (talk 23:36, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

It looks perfectly fine to me. I'd say add it. --ShounenSuki (talk 17:03, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Warning
Thank you for notifying me. --ShounenSuki (talk 19:39, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * My god... How popular can vandalism be? --ShounenSuki (talk 20:06, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Kiba
Why you erased what i've just wrote? The manga is already online!!!!! You can check it in www.narutobase.com So please, check first, then you can erase whatever you want --Kiba91 (talk) 00:10, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * why is that an spoiler? :S the manga just was release one day earlier... the manga is in an official site --Kiba91 (talk) 00:30, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * kind of nonsense but well, tomorrow i'll rewrite what i've just done --Kiba91 (talk) 00:40, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Spoilerblocks
Actually I knew the contents of this chapter as early as Monday. Like I tokd Hakinu, I make the effort to knew what is gonna happen at all times. The Friday thing is to ensure that everyone who can know WILL know, as most people don't go to the various translator websites.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 01:23, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Senju
All right.All right.it's just a thought.No need to hack me up24.161.126.148 (talk) 01:07, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

King of Hell
Why isn't the King of Hell not a sealing technique?

Fūinjutsu (封印術, Sealing Techniques) are a type of jutsu that seal objects, living beings, chakra, along with a wide variety of other things within another object.

That's what it's doing, taking Life Force energy from its victims and storing it within itself. It can even release Life Force energy that it has within itself to those recently killed.

It's the same as the Dead Demon Consuming Seal, minus taking the victim's soul.

The King of Hell isn't taking the victim's soul, it's taking their Life Force energy (essential chakra), which everyone alive has. That's why Chiyo was able to bring Gaara back to life by transferring her Life Force energy into him, allowing his soul to return to his body. So when Nagato used the Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique, the King of Hell was restoring Life Force energy to the recently deceased bodies, rejuvenating them.

We know what a soul looks like Soul Removal, so the King of Hell is surely not taking their souls. He's taking their Life Force energy and sealing it within itself, similar to how the Death God seals souls within itself.

What I meant be rejuvenating was that the restored Life Force energy heals the body as well, repairing the injuries that prevented the body from functioning.

When the King of Hell takes the Life Force energy of the victim, it eats it, indicating that it's storing it within itself. But I'll give you that it's not said anywhere that the King of Hell is sealing the energy, and that there's no Sealing Mark left behind (that we can see). So I'll let this drop.

However, let me say this one thing. The King of Hell is terrible at interrogating, since it kills the victim that has the info. The Human Path is much better at interrogations since it just takes the info from the victim's mind. That's why I say the King of Hell's main function isn't interrogation, but "removing" the Life Force energy of beings that have done negative actions/karma (e.g. lying). Again, as an interrogation method, it's not that useful. But if its able to remove impure Life Forces, such as demons or truly evil individuals, it can be quite useful, especially in the days of the Sage of the Six Paths.

For a lack of a better word, the Life Force energy the King of Hell is restoring is "generic". Since it's pretty much energy that is essential for life, it can be transferred to any deceased body. Similar to how Chiyo can transfer her Life Force to Gaara. The Life Force didn't belong to Gaara, but even so he could still use it. So the Life Force energy that was restored to Kakashi and Fukasaku was not the energy they "originally" had, but the Life Force energy of other individuals that have been collected by the King of Hell deity, which has been around before Nagato, perhaps even before the Sage.

But again it's never said if Nagto had the King of Hell release the Life Force energy that was stored within itself, or if it was simply acting as a medium for Nagato. So I'll let it drop. Hopefully the next Databook will give some more info on the summon/deity.

Re: Ideas
I'm not sure what good I can do. Personally, I don't think we even need that large list. What we have works and is easy to read. Making it complicated and confusing is unnecessary and I believe should be avoided.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 23:51, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry bout that
Don't know what caused that problem, since I didn't modify the form before it happened. Simant (talk) 19:01, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

see poof before change,
when there's a page with the episode/manga check before edit.you might change somthing that is ture and not fake

just joking
i was joking about that jutus stuff. hey didn't the three tailed turtle use hidden mist jutus

yugito nii and two tail
why nobody put the nature type of yugito and two-tail FIRE.why because two-tail is covered and control fire and yugito well have the fire from being the host of the two-tail.

Adding new icons
How do you ad icons that u just created? Kouseki (talk) 22:39, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

No im just saying likke if i just made an icon, how do i add it to a thing? Kouseki (talk) 22:39, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Its Roku.
Dude, this '六' for Roku. Not Riku.

Google "Roku kanji" if you doubt it. --Marco161091 (talk) 15:10, October 28, 2009 (UTC)Marco

But if its read as "Riku", then it means land or shore and not Six. --Marco161091 (talk) 15:21, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

So you're saying its supposed to be Sage of Land, Shore Paths?? Kishi wrote this right : 六???

If we're interpreting it as "Six", then its Japanese romanization should have Roku (for six) and not Riku (for land), right?

--Marco161091 (talk) 15:26, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Alright, thanks mate. :)

--Marco161091 (talk) 15:29, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

The Rasegan Article
The only variation of the Rasengan is missing is the Super Great Ball Rasengan. It's not in the infobox. Dekoshu talk contrib 15:04, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going to fix this. Jacce | Talk 15:35, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Proof reading
Not quite. does mean ocean, but means seas and oceans. The Japanese word for sea is. --ShounenSuki (talk 19:46, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * All those options are valid words for various strong winds. However, I would like to give you some advice:
 * Kishimoto-sensei seems to be keen on chosing words that can somehow be turned easily into . I sincerely doubt he's going to change this in the future. If you're going to theorise on the unknown natures and releases, pick words and concepts that can be abbreviated into one kanji without losing meaning. Like and.
 * All the words you proposed have their primary meaning inside the kanji for wind, which is already used in Wind Release. Most of the wind-related kanji are uncommon, though.
 * My favourite is a kanji you suggested, though:
 * This last one would be perfect. It's rather well known, despite being uncommon, It was the meaning of a very strong wind, and it has a pronunciation that hasn't been used so far. The nature would probably be called.
 * My favourite is a kanji you suggested, though:
 * This last one would be perfect. It's rather well known, despite being uncommon, It was the meaning of a very strong wind, and it has a pronunciation that hasn't been used so far. The nature would probably be called.
 * This last one would be perfect. It's rather well known, despite being uncommon, It was the meaning of a very strong wind, and it has a pronunciation that hasn't been used so far. The nature would probably be called.
 * This last one would be perfect. It's rather well known, despite being uncommon, It was the meaning of a very strong wind, and it has a pronunciation that hasn't been used so far. The nature would probably be called.


 * That said, I was looking at your page and saw your theoretical Vacuum Release. it's a nice possibility, but Vacuum release would be . Your Shinton means True Release.


 * I'm not sure if you care, but I've been musing about possible releases myself. if you want to hear my thoughts, let me know. --ShounenSuki (talk 20:42, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Re: bunny be damned! ~throws random stuff around~
Fixed. If it helps, those who adds spoilers are not always right. Jacce | Talk 07:01, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Block
Please, don't block me again, but that was messed up since you don't know, I never got blocked before, only that time you blocked me, that was the second time I added spoilers, I admit that, but please don't block me, I will devote myself to this wikia and never do anything bad, my promises

Above is by me: Kouseki (talk) 15:31, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Amaterasu
Why the hell did you remove Blaze release from the Element list??--Torune (talk) 19:43, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Ok thanks for telling me --Torune (talk) 21:39, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

Range block
Only 3 IP addresses have been used from there recently. I don't think that justifies blocking an entire area. Maybe I'll fool with something in AbuseFilter later. That user has a pattern of using profanity, we could deny edits from that area that contain profanity. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Dec 26, 2009 @ 23:32 (UTC)

Shikuro
hey there veteran, why did you revert my edit about the family ties between shikuro aburame and torune, rhere is only an assumption that he is his son, it is not been prooven yet, it is madara's guess, i do believe that even madara could not know for sure that he is his son,it's a big clan and there's not a lot of info about it'if i'm wrong' please explain why'thanksShauli (talk) 21:10, December 27, 2009 (UTC)