Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180122204034/@comment-26636534-20180128144652

^Considering what we've seen from the masks on their own, lighting mask chasing Shikamaru, it's safe to say they don't pack enough power. You forgot Gamakiri in the toad line-up btw.

Again, Kakuza is not that impressive in taijutsu and speed. My Izumo and Kotetsu point still stands. Also, compete with Kakashi implies things that are not necessarily true. Deidara was able to fend off Team Guy, without arms for a while, does that make him suddenly comparable to Guy in taijutsu? Not a chance. Same thing here with Kakuzu.

Have to disagree with you on what you said of Jiraiya not being balanced as Kakashi. He is one of the most balanced characters. Having taijutsu feats or speed feats don't make you automatically balanced lol. Jiraiya has jutsu for nearly any situation.

Does Kakashi have barrier techniques? Powerful genjutsu? Can Kakashi change the landscape of a battlefield? Who has stronger defensive techniques? Interrogation techniques? Entrapment techniques? Escape techniques? If your answer is still Kakashi, I don't know what to say to you.

Again, Jiraiya is a mid-range fighter and more of a ninjutsu user, so expecting him to fight Kakuzu with taijutsu, is a non-factor. It's like criticizing Hinata for not using genjutsu in combat. Kakuzu tried to blind-side Shikamaru as I recall, and didn't manage to land a hit. So, I don't see him hitting Jiraiya.

Still don't see why Jiraiya needs SM to win. Let me ask you, how do you think the fight would proceed?