User talk:Omnibender

Build-on on Previous Combination Theory
Hey, can you look over this theory? My current pattern theory for natures is that the "enhancing nature" affects the "main nature" in a counterclockwise direction on the nature transformation diagram. As I said before, Wind enhanced Water to create Ice, Fire enhanced Earth for Lava, Water to Lightning for Storm, Earth to Wind for some "solid wind" nature which Dust was previously a candidate for, and now, Lightning to Fire for Explosion. In my theory Ice can only be created from water, Lava from earth, Storm from lightning, and Explosion from fire, and Ice cannot be created from wind, Lava cannot be from fire, Storm cannot be from water, and Explosion cannot be lightning (although unsure for now). My new idea is that this also applies to the adjacent element combinations. In a counterclockwise direction, Fire enhances Water to produce Boil, Water to Earth to produce Wood, Earth to Lightning to produce Magnetism (As the nature didn't create magnetic rocks or anything), Lightning to Wind for a theoretical "vibrating/fast/shattering wind", and Wind to Fire for Scorch, a phasing fire. Overall, Fire can be enhanced by Wind or Lightning, Wind can be enhanced by Lightning or Earth, Lightning can be enhanced by Earth or Water, Earth can be enhanced by Water or Fire, and Water can be enhanced by Fire or Wind. Kishimoto's more unorthodox natures like Storm seems to imply this pattern, which I plan to build on top of my old, partially failed theory. A counterclockwise direction may also be an interesting approach as opposed to the clockwise direct relationships the natures have. Opposite Recompositions: (I previously had Blaze but you showed me Explosion made so much more sense and it seems to work) Adjacent Recompositions:
 * Ice: Wind enhances Water; Floating ice; Can be produced from Water.
 * Lava: Fire enhances Earth; Molten earth; Can be produced from Earth.
 * Storm: Water enhances Lightning; Fluid electricity; Can be produced from Lightning.
 * "Pressure"?: Earth enhances Wind; Solid air; Can be produced from Wind. (Previously thought of for Dust until it became a KT.)
 * Explosion: Lightning enhances Fire; Sudden combustion; Can be produced from Fire.
 * Scorch: Wind enhances Fire; Phasing heat; Can be produced from Fire.
 * Boil: Fire enhances Water; Burning water; Can be produced from Water.
 * Wood: Water enhances Earth; Trees growing from the earth in fluid forms; Can be produced from the Earth.
 * Magnetism: Earth enhances Lightning; Magnetic energy; Can be produced from Lightning.
 * "Resonante"?: Lighting enhances Wind; Vibrating air?; Can be produced from Wind. I see shockwaves in my mind, like the ones that you pointed out that were similar to Pulse.

Also, I think since Gaara cannot turn his chakra into sand, he may instead be converting it to an air pressure-based force to manipulate sand. This is just like how a Magnet Release user needs metallic materials to manipulate, since they do not convert their chakra into the tool, but into a force that manipulates it. If my theory is correct, Earth should enhance Wind, and therefore form a "solid wind" for which ShounenSuki was reminded of something like Pressure Release. Pressure seems a little too close to wind for me, but I still think it may be something along those lines, since it explains why Gaara cannot turn his chakra into sand like a sand nature of chakra should allow him to. And of course, just a theory, would love your feedback. --GoDai (talk) 04:27, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah... most of my ideas revolve around 2-nature combinations for now. I'm trying to establish a pattern for KTs, but... I can't really make any solid confirmations, since obviously there's only one such nature. I think what you said about Yin and Yang would probably be correct, since I can't really see it working in reverse, Yin and Yang themselves are concepts and values that apply to the elements of the universe in the first place, so I cannot really imagine Fire enhancing Yin or Yang. For now, I'd agree that Fire+Yin would be the best theory for Blaze for now, since it makes the most sense. I'm still thinking about sand. Shukaku could seemingly produce sand, but the question to how Gaara retains his powers has yet to be elaborated upon, and while Gaara has mentioned to be extremely powerful, I would find it a surprise that he cannot produce sand from chakra if his power was really Sand Release. But of course, Dust turned things into dust instead of controlling dust, which could be related, since Dust includes Wind and Earth as its components. Another pattern observation could be used to elaborate:

As you can see, each element, when being enhanced by two different elements, shows some opposing duality. I think Earth in Magnetism is doing something interesting, that I cannot analyze yet, since it's the only example of Earth as an enhancing agent. If its effect as an enhancement is "allows subtle forces to manipulate earthen materials", it would make sense if it allows Lightning to manipulate metal and Wind to manipulate sand. --GoDai (talk) 04:21, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fire can be enhanced by Wind and Lightning. Wind makes it maintained in a ball and go through things to damage them internally. Lightning makes it forceful and sudden, blowing targets up.
 * Wind can be enhanced by Lightning and Earth. In theory, Lightning would make it sudden, forceful and vibrating, while Earth would make it solid and stable.
 * Lightning can be enhanced by Earth and Water. Earth seems to make it invisible, while allowing it to attract and repel metals. Water makes it take on a fluid motion.
 * Earth can be enhanced by Water or Fire. Water makes it fluid and grow trees while Fire melts the earth instead.
 * Water can be enhanced by Fire or Wind. Fire vaporizes it and gives it burning properties, while Wind turns it into ice instead with a cold feeling.

Re: Hyphen change
I make for a terrible teacher…

'Yin–Yang' should get an en dash (–). It's a compound noun made up of two nouns with equal value, like 'space–time'. —ShounenSuki (talk 23:19, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

questions regarding to editing
Can you please tell me what is the meaning of no license or rationale?

Sorry about the misunderstanding in the Madara article. You were right. I have reedited to now to exclude any details about his final battle with Hashirama until we know more. Hope it is better now. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 02:02, October 20, 2011 (UTC))

A Question
Okay, over on Madara's page, the user Gjita keeps deleting a portion of the Shinobi World War section because he thinks it' baseless speculation. He deletes it based on his belief that the person Kabuto used to force Tobi into an alliance wasn't Madara. When I tell him that it is the wiki's belief that it is, and provide proof of that (the S:IWR page for example), he ignores it. Help...please? :l Skitts (talk) 18:37, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

Madara/Tobi
Hey Omnibender, why is there a page about Tobi?-- White Flash ( Talk ) 20:23, October 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, I know now.-- White Flash ( Talk ) 20:27, October 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * So, Tobi and Madara are not the same person huh, quite a surprsied.-- White Flash  (talk)  20:21, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Reporting a User
I'd like to report that the user, well, NarutowikiSucksMyDiK user has been defacing articles, not to mention his name is just, childish. Skitts (talk) 08:06, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

stats of characters
Hey Omnibender it would be cool if you could update and give the stats of the Characters e.g konoha 11, sand sibling, akatsuki, kages, all the main and sub-main characters --Raikiri48 (talk) 04:49, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Characters in part 2
Hey another thing that would be good is to see the the main and sub-main characters in part 2 on their individual pages.--Raikiri48 (talk) 04:53, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

My page
So I have two characters and two elements done. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/User:Umishiru/Themeisms_and_Theoretics Tell me what you think. An dif you wantto discuss any use the pages talk page.Umishiru (talk) 06:59, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Message Wall
I think the staff are afraid to put it up knowing they'll lose lots of users, on their test wiki this is what it would like, what do you think?-- White Flash  (talk)  15:22, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Problem
Omibender, is the Temari page blank? I've undo an edit from an IP and then it's blank.-- White Flash  (talk)  16:10, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * What a relief, thought I'd messed up the page, by the way did you saw my other message about the message wall?-- White Flash  (talk)  16:30, October 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * So much for our Sig, at the Bleach Wiki, they're starting a protest against it.-- White Flash  (talk)  16:38, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Madara Uchiha - Amaterasu & Tsukoyomi
Could you please take another look at this discussion? After your previous message there, both Skitts and myself continued the discussion, eventually agreeing that when considering the evidence, it would be best to err on the side of caution and remove Madara as a user of the techniques for the time being. I know this wasn't your opinion but legitimate doubts were raised about the evidence, enough to bring the abilities inclusion into question, so I was hoping you could reassess the issue and then provide the best resolution. Blackstar1 (talk) 22:58, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Sig Page
Hey Omnibender, can I create a Sig page under my userpage?--White Flash 02:19, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Delete
Hi! Can You deleted this: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Susanoo_Yata%27s_Mirror_.jpeg. I uploaded image with better definition.GothicWarrior  (Dyskusja)  16:23, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Ok.GothicWarrior  (Dyskusja)  16:47, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Your Profile
Think you should remove that message on your profile?, after all it doesn't look like it should be there.-- 17:20, October 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good thing I saw it.-- 17:27, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Kisame game technique
I would translate it as 'Water Release: Submerged Shark Scraping Destruction'. The rōmaji would probably be 'Suiton: Senkō Sakumetsu'. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:16, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Chat
Hey Omnibender, whenever you have the time, can I speak with you about a few things?-- 00:03, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Tobi MS
Rather than to have an edit like this, wouldn't it be more simplier if we just put down Madara was the only one since no evidence was shown about his MS.-- 01:31, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Voice Actor
How did we know Sakumo Hatake's english voice actor?-- 22:06, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Minor help on derpage

 * Rename please--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 11:18, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

Madara and Tobi
Why did the Madara page turn into Tobi? They're the same person. And if Madara and Tobi are not the same person, how does his voice change from playful to serious? Does not make sense. Im a person of deep thought so Ill be thinking on this for a long time.
 * If you're up to date on the manga, you should know. As for voice changing, it's pretty easy to change your voice. Please sign your posts--210.56.88.234 (talk) 04:09, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Meteorite Technique
Nagato não teria usado antes esta técnica quando lutou contra Naruto e Bee? Aqui está um link do mangá que Nagato usa algo parecido ou a técnica em sí. http://www.punchmangas.com.br/leitura/52/naruto/549/#10

English TV
I notice on the infobox on the Sand Waterfall Imperial Funeral the English TV translation is Giant Sand Burial, but wasn't called Sand Tsunami?-- White Flash ( Talk ) 15:09, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re: 561 raw typo?
I'm actually not sure if that's a mistake. The name is written 'correctly' on the previous page, and there is no reason to actually repeat the name. I think it was meant to be a different name. —ShounenSuki (talk 19:50, October 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Something like that. —ShounenSuki (talk 19:58, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Glitch
The content from Volume 58 Naruto vs Itachi is being displayed 9 times on the list of volumes page. Since this site's method is different from the stuff I worked with on other anime and manga wiki sites (notably One Piece and Fullmetal Alchemist) I don't know how to fix it. -Adv193 (talk) 08:02, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Discussion
Wait, what is this about, if this is about mine and borrowedmonkey1's convo about seemingly random crap, its on a talk page, so it doesn't really matter (if i seem aggro, it's because of the plain text). 00:56, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not understanding what is so "bad" about a joke between two friends, Its a way for us to communicate and laugh. 02:24, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Madara's techniques
On the Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu pages it says that Uchiha Madara can use both techniques. Your reason for saying so is that he can use Susanoo and that the prerequisite for doing so are these two techniques.

That is not true. It was sad that the double Mangekyo is needed to perform Susanoo, but it is not clear that every Uchiha with Mangekyo has Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. Kakashi has Kamui, Shisui has Koto Amtasukami. So I think you should correct this until proven otherwise.
 * I can fix this. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 09:57, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Your logic is flawed. since when Kakashi is Uchiha and since when Shisui has Susanoo? Faust-RSI (talk)

Hyping
What do you mean by hyping? What is that? The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 00:47, November 2, 2011 (UTC))

Sorry about that. Just wanted to compliment his power after seeing how much stronger he was than I thought since his revival. Just trying to be positive, but say something that fits in with this wiki because I seen similar statements in other articles. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 01:06, November 2, 2011 (UTC))

Re: Ultimate Ninja Impact
Sure, no problem. But it would be easier if you could show me what you want to be translated. I'll see what I can find by myself, though. Seelentau 愛議 02:06, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, those were the ones I found and watched, too. But why would there be new Jutsu in canon story line? Seelentau 愛議 21:52, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * ah, I see... uh well, I can't read Kanji as good as Mister ShounenSuki. I'd need the Furigana, sorry :/ Plus, the Kanji are hard to read cause of the bad quality^^' Seelentau 愛議 22:02, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

It does, but until now (fight with Itachi), I could hear Rasengan and Kage Bunshin only. Anyway, Naruto uses a Jutsu named Shadow Clone: Upper (影分身・アッパー, Kage Bunshin: Appā) around 8:28. The whirling Jutsu is called Shadow Clone: Great Revolving (影分身・大回転, Kage Bunshin: Dai Kaiten). Seelentau 愛議 22:15, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Appearance and Personality
Uh-oh. I was under the impression that it was Personality before appearance. I had wondered if I was switching them wrongly but most of the articles seemed like they had their Personality section before the Appearance one. Really sorry about that.--Cerez365™ 21:46, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Naruto Databook 4
When ? Any idea ? --Elveonora (talk) 23:59, November 3, 2011 (UTC)

Naruto killing
All Naruto was, was to destroy two of his hearts, it was Kakashi who killed him.

And Naruto didn't kill Mukade, he was killed by Guy, you are thinking of Yuura, and yea i guess i forgot about him, though i have my doubts he was actually killed by Naurto.

Re: Dōjutsu icons
Merci beaucoup~☆ —ShounenSuki (talk 15:10, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Tobi - Madara confusion
Before, Tobi and Madara's article are the same. (you are redirected to the same page if you type one of the two) And that should mean they are the same too. Tobi revealed himself in the anime to Sasuke that he is Madara and kakashi knew it too. But in the manga if he was madara uchiha why he was resurrected if he was still alive?

RE: Move (chapter)
If you try to click edit on the original page, you will see that the database believes it still exists, I'm gonna show that to the staff. As this is likely the reason that pages are being included in the concept and category multiple times. S im A nt 18:32, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Heaven's Vacuum Palm
I don't think so. They're similar but the Eight Trigrams Palms Vacuum Heaven is a lot more elaborate whereas the Eight Trigrams Heaven's Vacuum Palm is just Hinata jumping up and spinning me thinks o.o--Cerez365™ 15:21, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

A Few Request
Hey Omi, can you delete User:White Flash/Shadowsig and User:White Flash/Sig2.--White Flash (Talk) 02:17, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Why?
what did i get blocked for Hakann77

oh i see sorry i did not truly understand much about the policy but ok Hakann77

Background
Hi, i have my own wikia, but i don´t know how to change the background, do you know how? --Sasuke151 (talk) 23:41, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

But, how do you desing one, because there are options, but i want another. --Sasuke151 (talk) 00:00, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ok ^^ --Sasuke151 (talk) 00:47, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Can you post a icon for me to put it in my wikia? --Sasuke151 (talk) 00:42, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

An icon is the photo that is at left of the page, like naruto.wikia.com--Sasuke151 (talk) 09:44, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

A solution to the Madara/Tobi mystery
I've got it! I've got it! They all laughed at me but i finally got it! I know how Tobi came to be. Madara used Banbutsu Sōzō (creation of all things) to make Tobi and instill his memories into him. That is why Tobi had Madara's mangekyo,--Cmcwiki (talk) 04:02, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's like a speculation. --Ilnarutoanime 10:00, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Tobi is Izuna, no mistery. --Elveonora (talk) 02:04, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

VG
Hey~do you play any video games?-- White Flash  (talk)  04:47, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Played any horror games?--White Flash 07:12, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see, I'm only curious if you've ever played a game called Fatal Frame, I just adopted the Wiki and could use a little bit of help with it.-- White   Flash  21:25, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Archive
I did it a moment ago. Thanks for concern.--LeafShinobi (talk) 20:11, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Jutsu in infobox
Err, yah I had limited the amount of jutsu per character to 100. Didn't think anyone would go past that... — S im A nt 22:19, November 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * But it is working now that I changed that right? — S im A nt 22:35, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Flint
There is no real difference; the two are synonyms. The only difference is their frequency of use. The kanji 燧石 is rather uncommon (although not rare) and 火打(ち)石 is the common word. —ShounenSuki (talk 11:39, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Help with trivia for Jokey Boy please
I'll do it myself and see it it's good enough. Dekoshu talk contrib 23:32, November 15, 2011 (UTC)

Theory page, sand theory
Hi, I recently attempted to clean up my theory page, and put down my theory for the chakra nature that is responsible for sand manipulation. I would really appreciate it if you took a look at the page, with the sand theory in particularly. The link for it is always at the top of my normal user page. Thanks! --GoDai (talk) 07:53, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks a bunch. I hope to clean it up a bit more and add more of my own ideas into it. And now that I consider it, my theory doesn't exactly prove me correct in the case of Scorch Release, because according to the pattern theory, Scorch is floating, phasing Fire, not a hot Wind. :P It's quite a shame I didn't formulate this pattern theory earlier. --GoDai (talk) 04:24, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Asuma's anime technique
Sorry for my late reaction. I kinda overlooked this ><

Anyway, I haven't a clue why the Japanese Wikipedia would use 水乱 for 'suiran', especially when it's a Fūton technique. Using 烈風 would probably be a better idea than using 裂風, though. I would personally translate 烈風 as 'gale', although this might depend on the situation. If I'd had to stay consistent, I'd probably go for 'gale' though. —ShounenSuki (talk 11:20, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, but that's because 翠嵐 doesn't mean 'verdant mountain'. Not literally, any way. The literal meaning would be 'storm of green' and it refers to the feel of being completely surrounded by green and nature, like standing in verdant mountains.
 * It's a far more logical choice than 水乱 as it's an actual word and it I somewhat related to wind, instead of meaning 'water revolt'. —ShounenSuki (talk 22:21, November 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * I would personally go for naming it . —ShounenSuki (talk 16:10, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Summoning Error
I suspect is is a wikia code change that caused the error, I'm gonna let it sit for now. — S im A nt 21:26, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Game translations
You meant this one?--LeafShinobi (talk) 20:30, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Um...why can't I upload pictures?
I tried uploading a picture earlier of Madara's taijutsu, but it said I didn't have permission. Why did that happen?--NaruHina fan (talk) 01:13, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

New Episode
Is it true that the new episode of Naruto Shippūden 113 English Dubbed will be on Dec.29?-- White   Flash  22:58, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Gravity Release
I have already put the idea of Gravity Release forward to ShounenSuki. And as both of you seem to be of some authority at Narutopedia, I was just wondering what you think of a Kekkai Tota, Gravity Release I am unsure what it is comprised of but just the idea of a jutsu that can manipulate the gravity level of a certain area. (Miguelostos of the Void (talk) 11:08, November 24, 2011 (UTC))

Block Reason
Hey I'm not sure if this is the right place to be posting this, but I looked around and I think this is where I want to be. Please correct me if I am wrong. Anyways, a few days ago I was banned by Jacce after editing the page Nagato, and I'm not sure what I did wrong. I don't want to be banned again, so I thought I should check with another admin so I don't make the same mistake again. Essentially what I did was alter and elaborate on the sentence structure. I'm not sure if there's a provision against doing minor edits like that, or what the problem was. Please respond, so that I can continue editing. Thanks 71.33.190.151 (talk) 21:47, November 25, 2011 (UTC)the_number

RE:Browsedata
Just one of those things that you would have done different. — S im A nt 23:51, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Not a big deal
Hey there, how's it going? I noticed you undid my recent edit on Tobi's page and I just wanted to ask is it more correct to spell the word "mobilise" with an "s" ? Spelling it with a "z" caused no errors and I thought it was correct. Anyway it's not a big deal and I just wanted to check with you. Hope you reply soon.

Banan 14kab  02:18, November 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * O alright. Also don't worry about it. You only took a day, so it's no biggie. I'm a college student as well so trust me when I say I understand the stress. Banan 14kab  20:19, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Partial Super Multi-Size Technique
You are the one who restored this article, aren't you. Where did you find the name?--LeafShinobi (talk) 22:13, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you think it's name of his ougi in Ultimate Ninja 5?--LeafShinobi (talk) 23:16, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I ask because I wonder if it's Chōji Double Hand Super Slam's official name.--LeafShinobi (talk) 23:22, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. But I'm afraid its name wouldn't be shown on screen.--LeafShinobi (talk) 23:53, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--LeafShinobi (talk) 15:54, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Tsunade's quote
Which quote is it? --Ilnarutoanime -NejiLoverr- 07:53, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Aah okay :)) --Ilnarutoanime -NejiLoverr- 15:08, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Artbook debut
It is already setup to do that. There are just no artbook pages on the wiki. — S im A nt 21:55, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Recent batch
Done ^^ —ShounenSuki (talk 22:38, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

naruto generations characters
Could you send me the link of that page plz? LIGHTNING HAWK (talk) 20:31, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

thank you... i saw it yesterday and it wasn't there. LIGHTNING HAWK (talk) 20:43, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Re: UNSG technique
Sasuke says 無駄だ Muda da, meaning It's futile. The big Kanji flashing in the middle of the video are most likely not a technique's name. I can't translate them, but since they show up in the Darui video too, they probably mean something along the lines of The fight is over or so. As for Darui's technique, I see 打ち返し (Uchikaeshi). This means to repel/retaliate. I'd call this technique the Revenge Punch, since 打ち means punch and 返し means retaliation or revenge. Seelentau 愛議 21:00, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Blocking
If you have an interest in the wiki's improvement (which you may not, I cannot say for certain), please read assume good faith, because you don't seem to do that as often as you should. Or, if you don't feel Wikipedia-practices should have an influence on this wiki, read Narutopedia:Blocking policy, which you may not know to exist. If I am coming off as unpleasant, then that is probably what I am being. ~SnapperTo 22:46, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

question about reporting
What about report button function ? --Elveonora (talk) 23:48, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for info. --Elveonora (talk) 00:02, December 5, 2011 (UTC)