User talk:Seelentau

Translation
When you get a chance, could you translate a quote for me? Its Konan talking to Obito, but I can't remember if its one whole quote or two: but they're in the same chapter. Naruto chapter 509, where Konan calls Naruto the "light" and Obito "darkness". Could you get me the literal English as well as the romaji of both quotes? Take your time, its a personal request for something I'm working on, so no rush. Thanks :) ~ Ten Tailed Fox 04:14, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

Nawaki and Dan's deaths
Did they die just "in a war" or during 2nd Shinobi World War?--Elveonora (talk) 14:10, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

Request
Hi. Can you please help me with this topic? In fact, do you know what gender the two buried characters have? Thanks. Idontcareaboutmyname (talk) 17:59, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Just to kill time
I'm wondering what you think happened to Senju Clan. As seen, during the peace treaty there was plenty of them. Also do you think "Tobi" was in fact Obito just going crazy or Spiral Zetsu speaking on him/transformed?--Elveonora (talk) 20:56, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

tracks' name translation
Youtube and such list Naruto Shippuuden OST2's "Unkempt Hair (乱髪, Ranpatsu)" as "Midaregami" and "Red Rose (紅薔薇, Benibara)" as "Beni Soubi" instead. Which are correct, I presume ours? Thanks--Elveonora (talk) 21:24, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

Bump--Elveonora (talk) 13:40, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Thought so, thanks a lot.--Elveonora (talk) 22:55, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter 666
Hi senpai, seems you found the raw version of this chapter. But what about this page? Can you summarize it what's written here? And I think it confirmed that the Spiral Zetsu's name is already Guruguru. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 13:53, February 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * We're looking forward.. And have a safe drive and be at home peacefully — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 14:17, February 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Mr. Seelentau, I was wondering if you have any more information regarding that page? It looks pretty cool and informative, and I was wondering if you wouldn't mind sharing what else it says? -KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 04:03, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem senpai. Take your time and don't rush it and make it easy. You're the best here. ^_^ — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 22:36, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are one of the most valuable assets to the wiki! Thanks for all you do for us!--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 22:38, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter 667
Seems Kishi put another special page this week. It's about Madara and Izuna. So, don't rush this time as well, senpai. ^_^ — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 13:24, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Just to know, It's been noticed that Kishi begin to release those special pages on every week starting from the last week just like One Piece special pages. He calls it. So we're expecting for him to release this notebook pages every week, hopefully... — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 15:03, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, not too sure you haven't already but when you get the time, could you translate what Kabuto said about healing Sasuke and Tobirama's (assumed) involvement.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 13:31, March 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for your outstanding work and no problem at all, senpai. Just translate the most important things when any other pages will be released in the future. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 15:32, March 11, 2014 (UTC)

Names
Thanks for the quick response! Sadly it didn't help me with the names I'm looking at. I'll try and give you the names here (the are on the wiki, but then you won't have to look for it).

(Ame - アメ, Ame). (Dango - ダンゴ, Dango). (Choco - チョゴ, Chogo) -- One of these is a girl (Ayato - アヤト, Ayato). (Hajiki - ハジキ, Hajiki). (Mari - マリ, Mari) -- One of these is a girl (Kiri - キリ, Kiri). (Sō - ソウ, Sō). (Shimo - シモ, Shimo) -- One of these is a girl --Kasan94 (talk) 14:59, March 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! --Kasan94 (talk) 21:23, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Translation request
Hi senpai, I want to you to translate this line for me:

カカシに助けられダンゾウ裏切るが命を狙われることに

It's about a short summary of March 20's anime episode posted in 2ch anime threads. Also it claims that the fillers will continue on April. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 04:38, March 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, somehow I got it... Thanks so much senpai. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 12:24, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

Another request please
Senpai, could you check my talkpage again? And also, I wonder about the credits list in the latest episode. If possible, could you check it for me especially that Root's member?? Thanks so much... — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 21:47, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

'''Due to personal problems I won't be that active in the upcoming weeks. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.'''

I'm not blind
I'm well aware that real life occupies you otherwise at the present (when doesn't it tho? xD perhaps when we are asleep) but once you find some time and interest (be it a week from now or two, I'm not hurrying you nor am I in a hurry) then I would like to know your opinion on how the special Jugo Clan bodies actually work. The bodily fluids are responsible for Senninka, but is it the fluids/enzyme themselves what actually make the bodies absorb natural energy? Because originally, I had them separated but Omni merged the two. I assume it's a separate thing from the fluids within the special bodies what absorbs natural energy.--Elveonora (talk) 19:24, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

"since the PC is my top priority" you should be ashamed... like seriously. Well, who am i kidding myself? ;D But quite often I would best just smash my laptop and throw it outta window. The constant latency issues and disconnects are just unbearable. Like this man doesn't get angered easily, but enough is enough. And wow, good luck with relocation. For special bodies, yeah, I wanted to know tho if you think the fluids which allow transformation do also absorb natural energy or not. Because if the latter, we might have two kekkei genkai going on. Do you see them as separate or one thing?--Elveonora (talk) 23:22, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

A little help my man. You might have noticed my topic at Kabuto's talkpage. The dialogue and context clearly state twice in the chapter/episode that Kabuto's form is a result of Senninka. This is further evidenced by Kabuto's appearance now while healing Sasuke, as he is in Sage Mode/Senninka, he regained not just the horns but everything. Currently it's assumed Kabuto's snake appearance by the time of the war is a result of Orochimaru's cells, which is contradicted. How to make sense of it?--Elveonora (talk) 14:30, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by that. Do you disagree with me or the article as is? Also not sure what you are referring to with that. If to this, then I don't disagree more or less with that explanation of yours. I'm not arguing semantics anymore. What I'm talking about is that according to that chapter, Kabuto's snake form is due to Senninka/Sage Mode rather than Orochimaru's cells as the article currently claims.--Elveonora (talk) 22:09, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Only under the (in my opinion quite clearly false) impression that this form is a later stage of this ignoring the fact that his arm and face do not even look the same between the two, not to mention what he said. He stated that if it were to take over completely, he would die and he is obviously alive. As you could see in the chapter, when Suigetsu asked what's with Kabuto and Jugo's bodies, he started talking about Senninka. Later in the same chapter Orochimaru undoing Senninka removed Kabuto's snake features. Are we finally on the same page? ^_--Elveonora (talk) 22:22, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm not Kishimoto, just pointing out what was stated and shown in the chapter. But Oro-takeover obviously didn't happen, that's as clear as day, because he would have died had it happened and wouldn't be Kabuto but Orochimaru 2. Just because he appeared during the war with a similar form, it was simply assumed by the fanbase that it did happen and he ended up like that as a result. And that's the thing, he isn't always looking like that. After Orochimaru undid Senninka, Kabuto turned normal. He is now healing Sasuke in Senninka/Sage Mode hence he has snake features again ^_ In short, Kabuto using Senjutsu = snake features, Kabuto not using Senjutsu = no snake features--Elveonora (talk) 22:52, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Maito Dai
Senpai, sorry for the disturbance. But is it better to wait for Viz's release of this chapter on Monday to see how they will romanize his name? — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 20:32, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * You're right. Because Might Guy's name came from Viz's guidebooks as stated from his trivia section. So, at least we'll wait to Monday to see how Viz will romanize his name. I asked OmegaRasengan for this favor and let's see... — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 21:12, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Wakatteru, so we won't be redirecting his name to any other name till the new databook's release. Thanks for your response, senpai... — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 21:21, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Bot work
Sure. But there are probably more things that need editing like for example pages like Baku (ANBU), Bird-Masked ANBU Member, etc.. Also the word needs to be changed in the infobox.~Ultimate Supreme  15:56, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

I'm on it.--~Ultimate Supreme  15:05, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Today's episode
It's more than awesome, I really loved every scene of it... But I'm just wondering about Tenzō's jūin is still active during all that time. I don't recall that Yamato in the recent days talks so much about the Root, so this episode could cover that part I think, couldn't it? — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 12:17, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, me as well. It's getting better and better... — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 12:24, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

That definitely wasn't Shisui's Sharingan I suppose. Then why was it loosing sight? Also not sure how to feel about this episode. Yamato is/was quite feminine I would say, like come on... what happened to the whole "Roots have no emotions" ??? He definitely sucked as one. I still don't consider it canon, it requires a leap of faith and I'm an atheist. I mean, I could definitely see Yamato having been a Root as canon in Kishi's head, I just don't like the stuff surrounding it made by Pierrot like his interactions with Kakashi, smoke people, experiment reject substory that makes it even more confusing (so is he Tenzo? ._.) and so on --Elveonora (talk) 12:29, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * He isn't Tenzō and he has emotions because he wasn't adopted as a baby, but as a child and learned to have emotions while sitting in Orochimaru's tank. The stuff surrounding Yamato's background isn't that relevant, hm? I mean, who cares if he at some point met some smoke people, that ain't gonna change anything about his timeline. And since the whole stuff fits, I'll incorporate it. ^_^ Seelentau 愛議 12:34, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Fukai?
In the episode with Fukai, did it say that Fukai's Father, Uncle and predecesors were jinchuriki or did it only mention his uncle and father. The answer is needed for a small debate Thank You. Munchvtec (talk) 15:47, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Here is the line, senpai... — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 15:50, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

Okay Thank You. Munchvtec (talk) 15:50, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

Unnecessary Snapping
My apologizes for snapping at you (I think it was mostly you) this weekend. Weird week.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 12:43, March 24, 2014 (UTC)

just thought it might be thought worthy
I believe that Kishi has made So6p's brother to explain Ginkaku and Kinkaku. They were suspected to be of direct descent from So6p, but for that, they would either have to be Senju, Uzumaki or Uchiha, none of which they appeared to be. Meaning the brother was made to serve as ancestry for the two.--Elveonora (talk) 11:49, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Indras Dōjutsu.svg
You refers to "put together" both Dojutsu (background of the Mangekyo Sharingan and form of the Indra's Dojutsu)?

Sasukeuzumaki (Mi discusión) 13:32, March 27, 2014 (UTC)


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 * What is the link of your wiki? --Sasukeuzumaki (Mi discusión) 14:29, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

why is it
That as of lately, the chapters have a page state "chapter end" only for there to be one extra page after that?--Elveonora (talk) 13:21, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke's Tsukuyomi
Oh no, so you too? ... T_T why "nah" ?--Elveonora (talk) 12:16, April 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * Plenty of things have been deducted through context.
 * Plenty of things weren't spoken, only shown. According to this logic, we should dismiss a character's usage of a technique if he/she doesn't spell out its name before casting it. So a Rasengan used without Naruto yelling "Rasengan!!!" first doesn't count as one, I get it? We are safe when it comes to him tho, he is dumb enough to do it each time.
 * So suddenly a passage from a databook is old, yet it isn't old when it comes to the whole Kakashi-Obito timeline, gud.
 * Not sure if I get this.
 * Good question, but since Sasuke managed to break Itachi out of it with just Genjutsu: Sharingan (meaning it was possible and enough), that means Itachi wasted a Tsukuyomi for nothing. We can try to assume an unspoken context to it, like it having been Kishi's way of telling us that Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi, but it would be an assumption.
 * Gyuki broke him out of it?--Elveonora (talk) 15:42, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

As much as I don't want to have this discussion again, I kindly ask that this matter be brought to the article's talk page. Having the matter discussed in specific user talk pages where few others would check is essentially robbing others the chance to participate. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:08, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Mythology
The Asura are originally from Hinduism, as are several other elements of Buddhist cosmology (Buddhism originated in India). The concept of Chakra also comes from Hinduism. The various Japanese spellings all essentially refer to the same thing: アスラ (Asura) is a direct transliteration of the actual Sanskrit word, while 阿修羅 (Ashura, Asura) and 修羅 (Shura) are derived from Chinese translations of the Sanskrit, which would have migrated from China to Japan through Buddhism. The same is true for Indra, インドラ (Indora) is a transliteration of the Sanskrit while 因陀羅 (Indora, Indara) is a translation of the Chinese (Indra is known as Śakra in Buddhism). In both cases, Kishimoto probably took the most common readings (Ashura and Indora).

As for why he used "Asura and Indra," which aren't particularily dichotomous (Asura referring to a mythological species while Indra refers to a specific deity), as opposed to say "Asura and Deva" or "Agni and Indra", it's hard to say. Part of it is probably that the Asura and Deva have distinct personalities (Asura = passionate / Deva = emotionless), while Indra has certain imagery that can be connected to Sasuke and Susano'o (wielding a lightning bolt, a god of storms and war). The two names also have three syllables and end with ra, making them sound related. At least, that's my assumption. FF-Suzaku (talk) 09:06, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Borrowing topic. Not sure if it's of any worth, but the Hyuga name has to do with Sun, while Kaguya the first known Byakugan user was related to the Moon. Something to make of it?--Elveonora (talk) 13:19, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Parentage
Unless what I'm reading is, it says that Asura and Indra's mother is Kaguya Ootsutsuki. Which would mean, that their grandmother is also their mother. I just...I just really need to be sure if that is correct.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 14:11, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Gods obviously love incest. Also in case of nobles, it's done to maintain "pure blood" so that could have been the case as well--Elveonora (talk) 20:11, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Icon
The new icon doesn't appears because it's necessary refresh the browser, as Ctrl+F5.

Also, the icon can be late, but it appears correctly early.

Sasukeuzumaki (Mi discusión) 19:52, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

671 raw
Is it already out? MP and MS translations differ considerably, I'm not sure which of them has added words and meaning that don't belong there, so could you then please translate the relevant passages? Thanks. Especially I'm curious about the incest. If Kaguya is mother of Ashura and Indra, then wouldn't that make Hagoromo's sons his half-brothers as well? 0_o--Elveonora (talk) 11:36, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Everything doesn't fit, but ok ^_ But yes, they are more accurate than usual.--Elveonora (talk) 12:01, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Contradicts manga? ^_ The whole Obito-Kakashi thing. I'm telling you the manga is more accurate than the old databooks and Pierrot based it on the old information. But whatever, let us enjoy the stuff flawed or not, everything will come to light, eventually.--Elveonora (talk) 12:16, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Wouldn't the manga be corrected in re-releases if it had such big errors in it? And even if they talk to Kishi, you imply that we should trust the man who contradicts himself.--Elveonora (talk) 12:30, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

If the author says so, it's canon, as weird as it may be. We should document it and once and IF it changes in a re-release, it shall be updated--Elveonora (talk) 17:09, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Jut wondering, do the latest chapters actually state that Naruto and Sasuke are literal reincarnations or not? Because panda uses transmigrants or something like that--Elveonora (talk) 18:22, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you a lot. But they are unlikely to be Ashura and Indra in person, right? The dialogue says only their chakras continue to get passed down. Because I can't see how could there be Madara&Sasuke and Hashirama&Naruto all at once--Elveonora (talk) 21:02, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you pal. I won't bother you any longer for today ^_ --Elveonora (talk) 21:28, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, could you translate what the Sage says when Naruto and Sasuke gives him their hands: does he ask for their dominant hand or just a hand? --Cerez 365 ™(talk) 11:05, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

infinite tsukuyomi portrayal
What I in fact was referring to how in the movie, Naruto and Sakura literary got transported over to another dimension, rather than just being asleep, that's contradictory.--Elveonora (talk) 12:44, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Do you recall the movie at all? If not then I suggest you to rewatch it.--Elveonora (talk) 13:11, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

The movie version trapped Naruto and Sakura there physically to another dimension, also made it possible for AU Sakura to enter real world. While the manga adaptation simply puts people's minds into said space.--Elveonora (talk) 14:25, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Kishimoto wrote the movie. Yet the technique presented in it differs from what's been stated and shown in manga. That I suppose makes the former non-canon?--Elveonora (talk) 14:31, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Not the events in the movie themselves, but things like techniques and so on, since it was made by Kishi.--Elveonora (talk) 22:32, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for eavesdropping, but I don't think there's any indication that Naruto and Sakura got physically transported. It was all an illusion -- they likely remained stationary while the events occured (in fact, I believe only a short while actually passes while they're trapped in it). The Sakura that was displaced from the Genjutsu World was likewise an illusion; she ultimately faded from existence (and given that the episode was created to promote the movie, is probably even less canon than the movie itself). Besides, the technique Obito used in the film was the Limited Tsukuyomi, not the Infinite Tsukuyomi. FF-Suzaku (talk) 09:39, April 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Then I suggest you to rewatch it again. After Naruto and Sakura left the alternate world, Naruto still had the Yondaime cloak on which just disappeared into nothing like 5 seconds later and both of them noticed it. There's plenty of evidence they were actually there. They weren't just seeing things, since when do two people experience the same hallucination at once? Also if the world weren't real, then the whole plot of the movie would have been pointless. And Limited Tsukuyomi was stated to be a trial version of Infinite Tsukuyomi, same technique, just incomplete.--Elveonora (talk) 10:38, April 4, 2014 (UTC)