Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-43403813-20190805194702/@comment-43403813-20190806173432

I've never downplayed Obito and his Kamui, his utility of it is masterful and like I said in an earlier edit he is one of the strongest Naruto characters no doubt. My problem is when people debate a fight between him and Pain, they act like Pain would go down in 2 seconds, but that is simply not true, even more so for Nagato.

I now understand that he can simply limit Pain's versatility with Kamui fairly quickly with the easier paths to take down like Human and Preta, but it won't be so easy with the Deva path 100%, and the Asura path could utilise a similar strategy that Konan used with his missiles, rockets and laser beams, and as its a long-ranged fighter, it would most likely be out of Obito's reach for a short while. We know that Pain doesn't even need to move to activate Shinra Tensei, and he can do so once Obito materialises, and Pain can keep his Shinra Tenseis going for a prolonged period of time, like how Pain did so against Naruto's horde of shadow clones. This would provide him coverage to get to another vantage point. I shall reiterate, I don't think Pain beats Obito in the slightest, but I don't think that Obito massacres Pain as much as many people like to think. They're both talented tacticians and all it boils down to is whether people appreciate how Pain has the ability to counter some of his techniques.

Moving onto Nagato, I believe that Nagato will give an even harder time for single sharingan Obito and actually stands a chance of defeating Obito unlike Pain, given the obvious having-all-powers-in-one-body, and he can substitute the loss of vision with animal summonings and the King of Hell. Yes, Obito is fast, but Nagato was able to keep up with Killer Bee and KCM Naruto, partially crippled. If we're talking about a prime non-edo Nagato, Nagato's speed isn't something to be laughed at.

Nagato can create extra arms for increased versatility and defence, and if Obito were to come in and try and use Kamui, Nagato could use Deva path to Shinra Tensei him away, Asura path to achieve the same trick Konan used with paper bombs instead with missiles, or Human path to subsequently rip Obito's soul out. Moreover, even if Nagato doesn't rip out the soul in time, he is still gripped onto it, meaning Obito would not be able to suck him into Kamui as it would risk his soul also being pulled when Nagato is transported to the Kamui dimension. Additionally, Nagato can multi-task the Preta path as seen when Naruto used a Bijuu-amped rasengan on him and it did nothing, making Obito's wood and fire style jutsus ineffective.

I have never downplayed Obito, and I highly respect his skill as some awesome intangible shinobi that bests many people in combat, but I could say the same to you for Pain/Nagato when you assume that he can do absolutely nothing to defend himself.