Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34938099-20180505144012/@comment-30323490-20180506085417

JamesSenpai wrote: Vlado. If you refer to him as "Prime Hiruzen" then you take everything associated with it. So if you are referring to "Prime Hiruzen" as if all the statements were real, then there is no way Naruto "oneshots". Now if you want to say, Prime Hiruzen is featless and therefore this fight is impossible to judge, then okay. But saying Naruto could one shot Hiruzen in his prime as if you know exactly what he is capable of when no evidence other than statements were given that contradict your point of view, only shows a bias point of view.

Really? It`s not bias.But if you think that a part 1 statement holds ground in Shippuden + events, you are crazy. So `prime` Hiruzen has such incredible speed and reflexes that he could escape KCM Naruto? Who you know...was faster than the 4th Raikage? And who was said to be Minato level? When was it stated that he had such high reflexes and speed? In part 1 there was nobody to showcase this kind of speed, not even close to what we are talking about here.Not Hiruzen, not Orochimaru, not Kakashi, not Itachi not Jiraiya.

Naruto in SM as a teen dodged the 3rd Raikage who again, completely destroys any part 1 shinobi in terms of speed and even reflexes.

Hiruzen was said to be incredible powerful in his prima by Part 1 standards. Anything that happened in part 2 destroys part 1.Even beginning of part 2.