Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180727165341/@comment-34656247-20180806215805

LegionZero wrote: Vlad hasnt responded to the evidence i presented. We dont know if he still has his stance. Vladosaurus said '''Ok, hold on. Naruto’s speed when he fought Obito was pretty normal, even if he fought in NTCM.Against Obito, He never used the sunshin that he used against The raikage. Obito is NOT as fast or faster than the raikage. Let’s not talk nonsense here...''' ...vlad gets it.

Blaze doesnt agree with you Blaze said. -
 * Kakashi and Gai were fast enough to save Naruto each time Obito got close. So it's not much different here
 *  Though Naruto seemed to be moving quite normally. I think it's a fact that he actually speeds up using that shunshin, since no one particularily noticed his speed to be anything after his encounter with A.

Arturia says he thinks Obito is close to KCM speeds Arturia said Focus on the max speed part ;_-
 * Personally, I don't think Obito is as fast as KCM Naruto at max speed ( Though, he is very close to him ). But he has FAR greater reaction timings than Naruto.

IQ agrees with like, 90% of the evidence i have presented Just don't lose him with nonsense on the 10%.

You dont speak for the animators. Dont be silly. If Kishsimoto drew the events in bullet time, then they animate in bullet time. They also animated a whole sequence where Obito lands on a pillar in Kamui Dimension before he gets his masked knocked off. Which never happened in the manga, so they are not the end all be all or the most accurate depiction of the events. The manga is. How would YOU know what is bullet time in the manga? the entire manga is motionless so how?..you're gonna deny experienced people because they added a scene to increase screentime? ..Experienced staff>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you (without proof), or a motionless manga as proof.

LoneNinja wrote: @Jason 1) So you lied? Wow, wow, ;_;

2) So you need me to show you where you stated Naruto was instant and that gravity made him go as fast as he did? In fact, using Gimp shows me Obito moved over 200 pixels where as Naruto only moved 177. Which means based off your logic, anyone who falls is faster than instant (0 sense).So gravity > KCM Naruto speed, according to you ..prove where i hint anything close to that.

3) You're right about the writer having more credibility. And he says Obito is as fast as Naruto the moment he drew Obito not only keeping up with him, but him making Naruto look like a school girl. As you said, you don't write the Manga. Neither do you, if you're gonna keep saying thhat Obito is kcm speed when we can clearly see Naruto normally then we can also agree that Kakashi and BASE Gai is KCM speed as i said before, i cant believe that you're checking obito as someone fast when all he does is slip thorugh all of naruto and Gai's attacks,each time he goes intangile is a hit.

So you saying the writer made a mistake with no evidence makes your entire statement a contradiction. So no it's not a valid excuse because there's 0 proof to prove it. No im saying the writer is not stupid enough to end his manga so fast when he can do so much more with it. You're the last person to use the word proof lol, you don't even use proof here.

I'm not trying to do anything for Obito. I accept truth for fact. Yea i believe you ;_;

In fact, I actually once argued about Obito not being as fast as Naruto with Legion. Me and him had this exact argument. Then after reading the Manga again I came to the realization I was wrong. You seem too hard headed to do the same. So you'll just argue and even lie it seems, to seem right. But you are not. Cause you have no proof to say otherwise, while the Manga proves Obito is as fast as Naruto. I get you think Naruto will let the entire world be at risk just to troll, but sadly his personality has shown many times to go all out when his friend's lives are on the line. This case was no different. Insults are childish,that makes you a child..child. I guess you need to read the manga all over again then😰. Cuz all these are proof of blitzing:
 * ..585 Page 16 [Against the transformed white zetsu's] Naruto suddenly appeared with two rasengan and slammed them down.
 * ..505 Page 11-12 [Against Kisame] the panels on page 11 shows naruto standing next to killer bee and yamato, the panel on page 12 shows naruto blitzing kisame....he most certainly didn't do anything like that vs Obito.
 * ..571 Page 2-3 [Against Bijju bombs] Moved so fast he seemed like a flash, Gai commented on his speed, Kakashi questioned if it was Naruto, Obito was shocked.
 * .. 544 Page 12.the very famous one, where he dodged Ay's top speed punch.

The guy was clearly running at normal non-blitzing speed when fighting the much slower Obito,kamui spammer. '''So you'll just argue and even lie it seems, to seem right. But you are not. Cause you have no proof to say otherwise, while the Manga proves Obito is as fast as Naruto.''' Nice statement, but that applies to you, do check the above proof of real speed.

'''I get you think Naruto will let the entire world be at risk just to troll, but sadly his personality has shown many times to go all out when his friend's lives are on the line. This case was no different.'''....
 * Naruto said - i guess cracking your mask comes first [why would he make such a statement? and that is also proof that writer just doesn't want to end things soon]
 * Proof 2...he slammed the rasengan into Obito's mask [heh he could'nt dodge pftt] screaming who are you?!! [proof that he was more interested in the guys identity instead of taking him down] instead of slamming the rasengan on a body part or so.

And did you and legion find any scenes of Obito blitzing like Naruto? no? aww so sad.....provide the scenes lmao And do take a look at my reply to LegionZero which has others opionion on this topic.