Talk:Explosion Release

Composition, again
I can't believe that of all people I'm the one poking at this again, in what will most likely be a futile effort, but here goes. From all the topics in the archive, the crux of the notion that Explosion Release has Earth Release in its composition is that Sasuke identified Explosive Clay as containing earth nature chakra due to Deidara's constant use of the snake seal. However, the very article on hand seals, we can see that the snake seal is also associated with lightning chakra. I don't contest the clay being Earth Release, that certainly is, but it's only a vehicle for the Explosion Release chakra that Deidara kneads into it with the Iwagakure Kinjutsu, what I contest is that the Explosion Release that gives its exploding capabilities does. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:33, July 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you think it's a good idea to apply new logic to old things? • Seelentau 愛 議 17:46, July 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * I think its a fine idea to apply new logic to old things. Partly the reason why most of the wiki is afloat anyway.
 * That said, wasn't the reason this thing Earth + Lightning is because of the large chart we have, Lighting is like the last element not used?--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 17:56, July 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * Na, that was Magneto Release. And applying new logic to old things could cause more problems than it solves, because old things were thought of with old logic. When Explosion Release and the hand seal for Earth Release were invented, the Boruto movie wasn't thought of. • Seelentau 愛 議 18:01, July 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * I thought that we had found a solution LOL. Even so, I'm curious if in Boruto manga we will answer on Yurui's jutsu.--Sharingan91 (talk) 18:21, July 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * @TU3 The reason why Explosion Release is currently listed as earth and lightning is because earth was assumed to be part of it due to the hand seal argument, and lightning was the only option left. Something that is also a very thin argument is the "lightning deactivated it". Earth is weak to lightning, yes, but no sort of weak and strong relationship was ever demonstrated when it comes to advanced natures, either among themselves or relating to basic natures. That Sasuke's lightning could affect the clay would mean the clay alone is earth. There's also the fact that in the absence of something like Rasa's elements showing what Magnet Release was by process of elimination, lightning and earth making explosion makes no sense. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:35, July 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * Lightning + fire = explosion (molecular acceleration). Lightning + wind = explosion (gas explosion). Lightning + earth = explosion (mineral explosion). But better not change anything u.u --Sharingan91 (talk) 18:51, July 18, 2016 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure one hand seal can be associated with more than 1 nature, hence it was said to be used with both Earth and Lightning techniques... something which gives even more credibility to it being combination of Earth and Lightning, since not only Earth+Lightnin is the only unused Earth+X combination, but both were said to be associated with Snake Seal--Elve Talk Page 11:34, July 19, 2016 (UTC)
 * Not really. Snake is also associated with Wood Release, but that doesn't mean jutsu with that seal are Water Release. In Deidara's case, it's clear that the snake seal is about the clay, which is Earth Release. The whole point of Deidara using the Iwagakure kinjutsu is to knead Explosion Release into the clay through the hand mouths, that doesn't require seals. The snake seal is the clay's trigger, but that doesn't mean it defines what they payload is. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:51, July 19, 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with Omnibender. Let's focus on Gari, he doesn't use seals of hands. Seals of hand can't be used as a reference, because we seen use of kekkei genkai also without seals. --Sharingan91 (talk) 17:10, July 19, 2016 (UTC)
 * Tough. I gave up arguing this a while ago. But I agree with Omnibender in that the reasoning behind Earth + Lighting = Explosion is a bit sketchy. 14:44, July 21, 2016 (UTC)

I realize the base elements discussion is an old one, but there’s a few details that I’m confused on from Deidara's use of the ability. I don’t read the manga, so let me know if I mixed something up.


 * Deidara can run out of clay. He can’t create more from his surroundings. So how could he have earth release in general, let alone as a component of explosion? He should be able to form new clay with a jutsu, even if it isn’t the pristine quality of the white clay he prefers.


 * Also, I saw he had the hiding like a mole jutsu (his image is even used for that page). Is that really what he used? It says the jutsu makes the earth into sand for easy digging. But for him the hard earth started cracking and heaving before he burst out (unless that's an anime error). Seems more likely that he used some small explosions to do the tunneling.

I have my own view of how his release and clay works without him having earth nature, but I won't bother saying it all here, since this isn't a forum. KusaNin (talk) 20:28, October 16, 2020 (UTC)
 * The databook entry for Hiding Like a Mole Technique uses the same picture of Deidara that's in the jutsu's infobox. ~SnapperTo 22:59, October 16, 2020 (UTC)