Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-35448581-20160502192848/@comment-35448581-20160504163559

Thekillman wrote: Sharingan and Byakugan are two entirely different lines of Kekkei Genkai. It didn't affect the otstusuki's byakugan or whatever you're saying.

Your comparison of Naruto and his eyes is somewhat weird. The same can be said of every single eye: a Sage can sense all around him, why isn't it called byakugan? Kuranai can cast genjutsu, why isn't her eye called Sharingan.

Yes a Sage can sense all around him, yet he can see it, that’s a ‘’power of the eye’’ a dojutsu, a jutsu molded in the eye. Kurenai can cast genjutsu, but she doesn’t use her eyes to do so, she uses hand seals, that’s why it isn't Sharingan.

It's because that, as you say, similar goals can be achieved through different methods, that I say that tenseigan is not a dojutsu per se, as it (as I see it) is not replacing hand seals.

Again as you say: The difference is that some things have been granted a specific name by the autor while others do not get such mention, even if it does not make sense or even contradicts things he himself somehow established.

Ravenlot 27 wrote: I think you're making a lot of mistakes here. Firstly, we can't cay Rinnegan and Sharingan actually came from Byakugan. Yeah, chakra affected Ootsutsuki's/Uchiha's eyes to create certain doujutsus, but it was happening even before their actual birth. That's why these people are born with the chakra ment to naturally awaken Sharingan/Rinnegan in their eyes, there's already no "Byakugan-ment" chakra in them.

Well yeah, we can't say Rinnegan and Sharingan actually came from Byakugan. But the again:

Ootsutsuki’s Byakugan+shinju fruit chakra = Rinnegan, which later mutated into sharingan.

If it were just as you say, asura would have been born with a sharingan too, and all clans descending from Kaguya and the Ootsutsukis (Senju, Uzumaki, Uchiha,Hyūga, and Kaguya clans) would have the same abilities. Chakra seen to change/mutate between generations. Not even all members of a clan/species manifest their abilities the same way. Hagoromo and Momoshiki both had the rinnegan, yet its appearance and placement were quite different.

Secondly, about Tenseigan. Yeah, Energy Vessel overall is a a huge concentration of Ootsutsuki chakra (to be more precise, it's an assemblage of Ootsutsukis' numerious Byakugan eyes + Hamura's Tenseigan eyes), yet Toneri only used it to power up the stuctures (artificial sun, puppets etc) within the Moon and make it move onto the Earth. He didn't use it to enhance his own abilities. All of them come from Toneri's original chakra.

And Tenseigan is surely a doujutsu and not something you call "esthetical change". Let's differentiate what you mean here. As far as I understood, you use this term to call any sybmolic changes that happen to the user of the certain chakra (senjutsu, Buju) when it powers up the user's body. Yet Tenseigan doesn't fall into this category. It can be created by mixing Ootsutsuki and Hyuga chakra (i.e. Hyuga Byakugan + chakra of the single Ootsutsuki), and all the abilities that awaken afterwards come from the eyes created as a result. It's not a symbol of these abilities, it's the source of them. Tenseigan Chakra Mode comes from the eyes as well, Toneri was using his own chakra for it, not the chakra of all the Ootsutsuki within Energy Vessel.

So toneri had all that power all along? He got it by combining Ootsutsukis and Hyūga chakra? Neh… I think he just needed a byakugan, no matter the family, to canalize the powers contained within the vessel (including hamura’s). As much, if you want, tenseigan would be a byakugan power up, similar to mangekiou sharingan, not a dojutsu on his own right (E.g. Goku is still goku when he powers up to SSJ, it’s just his appearance which changes) Sooo in the end… This may just be another parallelism created by kishi. As sasuke have a sharingan/rinnegan and naruto have a chakra mode and senjutsu, hagoromo had the rinnegan and TSB and hamura had a chakra mode(which changed the appearance of his byakugan). Things are what Kishi says they are XD! What he did is done, and what we agree o not here, is quite meaningless. Still I keep my posture. Good discussion :) (y).