Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-27429908-20160102030534/@comment-734582-20160228212701

QuakingStar wrote: Hashi was only strong because of wood release, sage mode, and his chakra reserves. I wanted to add something to this.

Hashirama has Wood Release. thats it. He's a one-trick pony. A really, really good and strong trick. But Minato or Tobirama's speed and FTG can bypass all that wood, the golems, the forest and strike directly where it hurts, namely Hashirama himself.

Same goes for Madara, who hides behind his Susanoo. The both of them are really strong, sure, but a shinobi with the right jutsu style (Minato and Tobirama for example) would beat them. Not to mention Tobirama would beat the crap out of Hashirama, he's both more clever and willing to go to much further extremes to win than the soft-hearted Hashirama.

Furthermore, Hiruzen's two prominent feats are mastery over the five elements plus the knowledge of all Konoha's jutsu (not that weird considering he had like 60 years of his life to learn them all). I think his versatility would be a significant challenge for Hashirama's Wood Release.

lastly, Onoki and his insane Dust Release would also blast right through all of Hashirama's defenses. hell, the most difficult part of an Onoki vs Hashirama battle would be actually confirming that Onoki won.