Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20160221124823/@comment-24163532-20160315010443

@Ninja of War. "That is not just two instances, that is all of the instances." Lol so Itachi has to close his right eye before he uses Amaterasu for a charge up, makes sense, if that's really the charge up then that's the smallest charge up ever, because the ninja can blink and technically close his eye LOL. Now if you mean Charge Up as in gather Chakra then closing his eye isn't a Charge Up. Whatever the case is as I stated many times before, with or without a Charge up, Jiraiya isn't escaping his fast tracking skills with his Sharingan. "On the technique that Jiraiya used to reverse summon the ten dogs, it is on his page, its called Summoning: Crushing toad stomach. Also using the "not on the character's wiki page" is quite a weak argument. Since almost all Konoha shinobi graduate from the academy, they all should know the clone technique, yet it is not listed on every Konoha shinobi's page, same for basic techniques like the transformation technique. Kakashi is known for copying over a thousand techniques, yet there is much less than a thousand techniques on his page. So that argument you use is mute." Ahhh well though, that may be true about the Clone and Kakashi statement, still doesn't benefit your claim. You cannot give techniques to someone not stated to have them. Or i could give Itachi skills he doesn't have like all Madaras fire techniques just because he can use Fire. Based off that logic, anyone with summoning can use reverse summoning. LOL. I can easily say it's not Canon cause its anime only which is an argument I believe I seen you say in threads, but i'll just accept this. However, this is a different technique, not entirely reverse summoning, because reverse summoning is stated when the animal summons the human, not the human summons themselves to the animal. That's why its not called Reverse Summoning, or derived from it but the Summoning Technique. Cool to know that summoning yourself to your animal is possible. So I suppose he could Anime based, do that. Even so I presented a logical reason why he wouldn't summon them, so this convo isn't needed.

@Namikaze "when itachi uses tsukoyomi it doesn't affect the clone." It actually does and it isn't Tsukuyomi, it's actually Sharingan:Genjutsu. The clone goes into a pitch black world where he's like a sheet of paper being burned to ashes. It doesn't affect the original cause the Clone is affected. "which would create mist like condition" Name two which would make mist, that Jiraiya can do. Also the Mist Zabuza used is only made of his Chakra thus why it conceals him. Even states that being the reason as to why the Sharingan can't find him. "are you saying jiraiya would not have found any counter measure against amaterasu?" He might have, but wasn't stated too. He can /make/ a scroll to seal it away. Key word here, make. And no it can't be used once its used, because once something is sealed the fire goes into the a specific small space where the word seal appears, taking up the entire space leaving no space for anything else. Its also used for secondary damage not against primary damage that fire causes according to its description. "the jutsu is a barrier type since itachi will close his eye before Amaterasu (giving jiraiya some hint about that technique is going to be used )jiraiya can use quite large one and when it does hit repel all the needle with amaterasu(that is first barrier gets hit by amaterasu and immediately jiraiya can send the ametarasu burning needles back on itachi this is what i meant, i hope this clarifies my point)." Hair Needle Senbon is classified as Ninjutsu not Barrier-Ninjutsu. Jiraiya has never seen upfront, Itachi's eye closing weird emo thing he does, so he won't be entirely sure, but the senbon won't help him if he should. "itachi knows nothing about sage mode so he will be at total disadvantage.also again low stamina comes up here and all risks releated to abilties of MS on the body because of this he can't push himself very far." Itachi has enough reserves to do what he did to Sasuke, he has well enough to defeat Jiraiya before he can reach Sage. Jiraiya however does not like using Sage because it makes him look ugly and has only used it on a threat as powerful as Nagato, he wouldn't use it on Itachi. Itachi also went all out to push orochi out of Sasuke, then wasted no time in killing him, he would do the same to Jiraiya. If Jiraiya could never beat orochimaru, then I don't think he could ever beat Itachi. As for the obsession comment, I am obsessed to a degree, however, it's of hatred for the uchiha. In previous threads I state my dislike for them. As well as other characters, but i'd never let my hatred affect truth. Jiraiya can't win against Itachi, he's got a better shot at finally surpassing Orochimaru.