Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34938099-20180621162725/@comment-27924662-20180625141513

LegionZero wrote: Orochimaru could create Senjutsu chakra but his body wasnt strong enough to transform. Characters with strong enough bodies have never been shown to not transform in some way. If the senjutsu user has too little natural energy, then nothing happens. Back when Preta Pain was absorbing Naruto's chakra, he turned into Sage Mode in order to make Preta Pain absorb senjutsu. Capable Sage Mode users also cant save or store Senjutsu chakra within themselves for later use. Either Madara has a significantly smaller chakra pool to have to balance out, or this is an oversight/plot hole. Let's be clear about few things. Madara in that state was no user of Sage mode. He simply stole it. And store it in Hashirama's cells, which is why he never got "marks" on his face. Also Madara's Chakra pool is massive,(you definitely don't need me to tell you that several others will attest) But thanks to Hashirama's cells he was brought stronger than his Prime. He now had both Hashirama's power and his devastating skills. If you feel that somehow Madara's use of SM lack the quantity Hashirama can actually make you are mistaken. The Markings indicate the quantity currently available and fact of matter is that they didn't recede. IF you take say Naruto for instance his markings will dim and finally go away. So clearly Madara had majority to say the least. And the fact that we know he took out 9 bijus means it was likely very close to original thing. Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: Lmao whatever Madara took, I'm  100%  sure it can't be any more than 75% ( or atleast not above 80% ) Because Hashirama with Sage Mode was seen fighting on a whole another level in his battles. Knowing Hashirama's skill and power in Sage Mode, he should  easily  be able to sense Minato. Also, people forget that Madara was caught off-guard by Tobirama. So, if Hashirama was put in battle against Minato, he would be 100% on  full  guard. Hence,  even  less chances of him being caught. And Hashirama has never been caught off-guard in battle ( That doesn't mean he can't be caught off-guard. It's just there are far too many less chances ). Not to mention, the fact that Hashirama utilizes multiple Wood Clones in Battle. Minato would not be able to hit Hashirama. Also, knowing Minato's ability, it's obvious that it's a smart decision to make clones to completely confuse and render Minato clueless in battle ( Naruto kinda did the same against Neji in Part 1. Even Tenten, Neji's Teammate noted that it was a smart decision to make Clones to confuse Neji ). Even if you say that Minato can just mark him, it's possible that he marks one of Hashirama's Wood Clones by mistake, thinking he is the real Hashirama. Yes, I do agree that FTG can be dangerous. I never denied that. But the thing is once Hashirama comes to know that Minato utilizes FTG, he would be on full-guard and won't hold back. Also, Hashirama knows everything about FTG, since his brother, Tobirama was the one who invented it. It's plain obvious and logical that he must have counters for it. Let me make it simple for you: 1.Minato is faster and better than Tobirama. As an Edo Tensei his reflexes surpass 8th Gate Guy. Hashirama SM or not is nowhere near that tier. And to make matter worse, you have given this Guy Kurama. At his base level he is already world's fastest even Current Naruto and Sasuke would struggle, With Kurama's addition I see him circling all around Hashirama before killing him. 2. You want a clone fight? You got it. But before we go there I will point something out about Wood clone. They aren't same as shadow clone. Read chapter 636 page 15 The Current Obito. When Hashirama focuses too much power on main body(and he will thanks to Minato going for FTG) They will probably fizz out. Where as Shadow clones aren't dependent on Main Body. So Yeah even in Clone Encounter Minato Will Win. Not to mention each clone can use devastating damage with Bijudama. Probably he needs 2 or 3 to take out whole of Hashirama's assortment. And with clones, Main body will have lesser Senjutsu=> More susceptible to FTG. 3. Hashirama knows about FTG. I mean what kind of excuse is that. Minato knows (everyone in fact) about Wood release. History books have been written, his moves and damage area been made and are still there too date. So what? Knowing won't help you counter it.

Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: One more thing is, that people here are using only FTG as a reasoning as to why Minato beats Hashirama. They forget that Hashirama has far more battle options than Minato and can kill him in various ways. Hashirama's versatility with Wood Style is  WAY  too high. Furthermore, Hashirama is skilled and proficient in everything that a Ninja has. Hashirama has OP ( Overpowered ) Genjutsu, HAX Kekkei Genkai, 5 Nature Transformations, Taijutsu on the level of Madara, who destroyed the 4th Division in Hand to Hand Combat, Regeneration / Healing Powers that surpassed Tsunade's ( A Top Medical Nin ). Hashirama is also very skilled in  all  kinds of weapons and can summon any of them or all of them, via scrolls, in battle if required. Basically, Hashirama is pretty much an all-rounder who is a  Top Expert  in everything i.e Taijutsu, Genjutsu, Ninjutsu, Bukijutsu, Senjutsu, Medical Ninjutsu, etc. Not only this, he also has counters for pretty much everything that Minato has. Read my huge comment above. I've explained it all. On top of that, if knows  everything  about FTG and uses Wood Clones, it'll be  way  too troublesome for Minato to do anything to him  at all . For here: 1. FTG is a fight style just like how you are glorifying Wood Release. It's Space Time Ninjutsu. And Space Time Ninjutsu as matter of fact is one of highest level when it comes to countering Ninjutsu. Wood Release is no exception to this fact. You name any technique in Wood Release, Shinsusenju, Wood Golem, Wood Dragon, Sage Art: Gate of the Great God etc Nothing will work. Simply because Minato either teleports the technique away or himself away. In fact in this fight I Don't see Hashirama landing a scratch. Not to mention Minato's sensing skill would probably surpass Hashirama thanks to Negative emotion sensing of BSM. 2. Those medical skills you are talking about are useful in melee combat/ battlefield. Saving those fodder ninjas is no great feat. As matter of fact Minato demolished 1000 ninjas in 1 afternoon. And I don't know from where you brought this whole caliber of Hashirama is great at Taijutsu, Genjutsu stuff. It's not there at all. He is good at them but that's about it. No need to glorify him with whatever head canon. 3. Again I am not sure why you mentioned 5 transformations. It's not like any of those are any good use against Minato. The only thing probably useful is Regeneration but that won't help against point blank attacks (Bijudama or UBBR). As for your huge comments I read them and you are just repeating what you said. They have been addressed already every time.