Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-28731007-20160627160729/@comment-28247797-20160710204929

@Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 Sakura is a horrible fighter, you cannot really debate this. She lost a fight to a cloud ninja in one punch who's subpar at best, after activating her seal she had the nerve to think she was on the same level as EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto, and charged in at Juubidara without assessing any sort of plan aside from her seal in which she thought would do her some good against him. She has zero instinct and is a sloppy fighter, she had only two good fights and the second one was only because Chiyo controlled her, Tsunade isn't too much better to be honest and for the record let me state that I have nothing against Tsunade or Sakura and when I make claims/arguments I don't let biases or the way I feel about a particular character cloud or change my judgement.

Where is this good level of speed?? I'm not saying she's slow as a slug but where are the speed feats that make her competent against mid-top tier taijutsu users?? Madara is tons faster than Tsunade, he could've dodged the attack but analyzed her along with Raikage, he was assessing the situation and sure, Madara would prefer to use his ribcage Susano'o on power attacks but that's not a good reference.. Uchiha's are notorious Susano'o spammers and Madara using his ribcage Susano'o to block an attack doesn't speak volumes, at all. It hardly means anything except for the fact that she has a strong punch and I wouldn't say Madara finds her and her attacks "dangerous."

Lol, c'mon. She'd be dead if it weren't for the seal, it's literally the only thing she had going for her during the fight. She's not competent against five Madara clones and I think you're missing the point. I'll also say it again, she was pierced through her sides entirely. The fight doesn't put an emphasis on Tsunade having good evasive skills at all. It actually places on emphasis on how much Madara toyed around with her and the rest of the Kage. Where were her evasive skills when she was ultimately torn in half by a tree due to Madara? Or when she fought Pein? He could've killed her at any point with taijutsu alone but wanted to test the waters and see what she and the rest of the Kage had. It's not that I'm downplaying her, you're overrating simplistic things she's done. Madara using his ribcage to block your attack isn't much of a feat and saying she was holding her own against full legged Susano'os when she was pierced, coughing up blood and would've been dead had it not been for her seal is a very, very moot point if I've ever seen one. Hell, none of the Kage were that badly beaten but her not to mention Madara was only watching and was toying around. Surviving? Ha, barely.

Hashirama is better than everyone, point there but that wasn't my point. Tsunade has nothing that really sets her apart from any Kage. All the Hokages were plenty better than her. Minato and Tobirama do not dwarf a majority of the characters, I can name a ton of mid tiers that can competently contend with the both of them. Your only reference for Tsunade not being a bad Hokage/fighter is the Hiruzen at old age?? When he was at the worst peak of his life? And even her being better than him at old age is very debatable. You're just proving my points currently. And she is the worse Kage. Are you kidding me right now?? Gaara's is much more versatile/better than Tsunade, Ay is better than Tsunade, Mei has two Kekkei Genkai's for crying outloud. Madara even said that her bloodlimit was impressive, Tsunade is better than her in taijustu but Mei absolutely dwarfs her in ninjutsu. All Tsunade really has is immortality, but Hidan is immortal and was regarded as one of the worse Akatsuki. Being able to tank stuff alone doesn't automatically make you a good fighter.

Once again you keep mentioning this "speed and evasiveness" LOL, where??? Where is the proof or feats to back this?? Especially considering she gets hit multiple times in almost every fight she's been in and was pierced in both sides by Madara's Susano'o in which is what you tried to use for your argument. And no that's not a bad argument, okay she was rusty but lost to a jonin level ninja when she's Kage tier?? Kabuto is equal to Kakashi.. Without Kamui/Sharingan, if those are factored in I simply cannot side with that by any means. Tsunade isn't a bad ninja if she were ranked lower like a Jonin or something similar, but being placed as Kage tier?? She doesn't contend very well at all. She's not a good fighter, she's subpar at best.