Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180607192958/@comment-35073957-20180829145610

I can't quote CombatIQmatters and post all of my message because this site is trash, and being that I can't double post I'll post half of it then wait for another to reply, then post the rest.

Merely lacking Intel on an opponent does not mean you are going to stand as little of a chance as Naruto and Bee did unless said opponent is above you by a significant amount, which Nagato clearly showed he was. The examples I gave were not to make the point that Minato would lose in combat in the same ways Naruto and Bee would against similar opponents, it was mainly to show off a measure of where Kishi puts Nagato when compared to someone like Minato. If it weren't for the stupid shit in the war arch then Minato would never even be comparable to someone like Nagato. SM Naruto was said to have already surpassed both Minato and Jiraiya, and even if that were exaggerated this was KCM Naruto which is far above SM Naruto, yet he still easily lost to edo Nagato and almost died along with Bee and Itachi. The Rinnegan is the strongest among the three Dojutsu, which includes a dojutsu capable of creating a susanoo that can blow away mountains with a single swing of a sword, and Nagato was described as the perfect host for it.

Chibaku Tensei, an ability that pulls up literal mountains from the ground, is not going to be countered by FTG. My first comment wasn't implying that you guys are arguing that all Minato needs is speed, I was (trying) to highlight how overrated you guys see FTG. Which is clear given that you literally just said FTG alone can counter Tendo, Shurado, Chikushodo and the like. Minato doesn't have better mobility or combat experience. Nagato would take on entire villages and leave nothing but rubble while preforming through weaker dead bodies yet never lost a single battle and was described as literally invincible on multiple accounts. After Nagato sacrificed himself, Black Zetsu (or Obito, can't remember) was astounded that Nagato had lost, believing it to be impossible.

"First of all, Nagato can absorb SM chakra just fine, he just can't absorb raw nature energy from Minato" No, Nagato cannot absorb an indefinite amount of SM chakra as he can other chakra. This was made extremely clear in the manga. Gakido doesn't absorb Nature energy alone, that's not how it works. Nature energy isn't chakra, which is what is required for Gakido to work. He absorbed too much Senjutsu chakra which overloaded his system with natural energy, due to Senjutsu chakra making up a balance of natural energy and the users chakra. If you people don't even understand this basic shit then it's no wonder you're so confident in your arguments for Minato, and it's no wonder I'm now regretting going against what I had said and deciding to discuss with someone who sincerely believes base Minato can compete with an Alive mobile Nagato capable of the six paths abilities.

FTG is extremely overrated. Speed doesn't mean he can beat Nagato and counter every ability granted by the Rinnegan.