Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-27664103-20160220225016/@comment-25122992-20160225201810

JouXIII wrote: @Ravenlot Well, it is actually possible that Madara HALF-lied.

Here's how I see it: by using Majestic Attire: Susanoo with Kurama, any version of Susanoo(humanoid, armoured) would become pseudo-Complete Body — Susanoo(which is about as strong as real CB — S,) since Kurama's chakra enhances ninjutsu, which Susanoo is. VotE happens, mountains are cut, maps are changed and so on.

Skip to Fourth Shinobi World War. Edo!Madara, after switching into armoured Susanoo, remembers the feeling of pseudo-CB — S, decideds to test if he can do it without Kurama and thanks to Six Paths Chakra he has due to Rinnegan, he managed to do it alone.

So when Madara claimed he used CB — S during VotE, he meant the pseudo-CB — S. And Kage wouldn't know any better. After all, how could any of them know what really happened during VotE?

Well, that's my theory and I'm sticking with it.

As for Hashirama being surprised, that's in chapter 641, page 6, which is due to pages 4 and 5. Until the characters' words are proven to be a lie, they can't be a lie or even a half of it. Madara spoke about his Perfect Susanoo and nothing more.

If Madara would've used PS against 5 Kage at the first time, he would've said something like "I should test this right now" (as with the case of Wood Release), and then "Cool, guys, that's kinda exciting power, reminds me the times with Hashi in the VoTE" (as in the case of Juubi, when he convinced Obito to test it's abilities). He would've not bothered to give the name to the brand new form if he used it at the first time. He was clearly familliar with it's possibilities.

And as far as I know, Madara also said "The meeting with the PS is the same as death". He clearly doesn't refer to the VoTE battle (cause Hashi did survive it), but to someone else he defeated with the PS. And since Madara awoke his Rinnegan in very old age and couldn't leave his hideot without dying, he couldn't use PS then (if the SPC was really necessary). The same applies to Edo-Madara, since the battle against Fourth Division was the first battle he was mobilized into, and the first battle where he got his Edo-Rinnegan. The conclusion: pre-VoTE Madara could use PS with the EMS.

At least that's what I believe, and I don't use any assumptions like "PS or not PS", I just used the sheer facts and logic to come up with this.