Talk:Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki

Kekkei Genkai
So Why is Sharingan added but not Rinnegan?.....Beyonder (talk) 14:03, May 20, 2016 (UTC)BeyonderGodOmnipotent
 * Because His Rinnegan Is A Kekkei Mora For Some Reason (I Think Its Due To The Databook). Bob1200 (talk) 16:35, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * But the Rinnegan isn't in the infobox whatsoever anymore is the point. EDIT: never mind, it's been fixed since.--Elve Talk Page 18:04, May 20, 2016 (UTC)


 * In that case, shoudln't his Sharingan also be classified as Kekkei Mora?--RIkudo (talk) 18:23, May 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Using the same logic used on his rinnegan, yes it should. --DC52 (talk) 19:40, May 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, his Rinnegan is labeled Kekkei Mora because he doesn't have the Kekkei Genkai icon in the databook. The Sharingan is anime-only and was revealed later than the databook, so there's no way it could've been taken into account there. So because the Rinnegan arguments/reasons can't be applied to the Sharingan, it should be added as a Kekkei Genkai. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:36, May 24, 2016 (UTC)

Jinchuriki Status
I was beginning to doubt he was ever a jinchuriki to the ten-tails, the events in the manga didn't add up. So I'll update his jinchuriki status to all nine TB instead of the ten-tails.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 14:21, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * He was jinchuriki of TT chakra from wich he made Nine TB, BZ implied that manga long time ago. Rage gtx (talk) 14:30, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * manga > anime. He's the Ten-Tails' jinchūriki: Simple as that.--BerserkerPhantom (talk) 14:32, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Manga also says that they used SPCT not sealing againt TT(or Kaguya if you want) so nothing goes against manga here when manga it self is not consensual. Rage gtx (talk) 14:38, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Berserker, that's pretty black and white thinking. That is one sign of a weak sense critical thinker. You need to learn to take things on a case to case basis. Who or what is BZ?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 14:45, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * BZ = Black Zetsu. Anyway, we should not ignore what the anime said, despite the assertions of some users on this wiki. Anime said he was jinchuriki of the separated tailed beasts, not the TT, so we acknowledge it, not ignore it because a few people are in denial. --Sajuuk 14:50, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * There's "Trivia" for such cases; No need to harass articles by adding contradicting information just 'cause it was animated and the manga is not; Adding a layer of "deduction" is just asking for it to be reverted due to cases of "speculation".--BerserkerPhantom (talk) 14:54, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * I took out the ":" because this is going to be a long discussion.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 14:56, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * DB4 and manga said he was the Ten Tails Jinchuriki, so being Jinchuriki of the 9 seperate beasts is trivia worthy at best. QuakingStar (talk) 14:56, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * @Cloudtheavenger: Do not remove indentation markup from talkpage discussions. --Sajuuk 14:58, May 26, 2016 (UTC)

Mangekyō Sharingan
I think I should bring out the issue if Hagoromo's marking on the forehead should be regarded as his MS or not. While there are facts implying it's a one (no sign of MS in Hagoromo's actual eyes, yet marking appearing at the same time as the Rinnegan and then Hagoromo's statement about awakening both MS and Rinnegan), there's no case of a such MS manifestation before, so it's actually a very inconsistent issue. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 14:48, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * We did not add Hagaromo as Byakugan user despite his white eyes yet you want add his marking as MS despite him awakening SPS at same time(and markings being affiliated to Senjutsu in general), MS being eye pattern to forhead one and it's being red rinnegan patterns not some MS thingy? Rage gtx (talk) 14:57, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, given that Hagoromo directly says "I awakened by Mangekyo Sharingan" when he addresses Kaguya after reviving Hamura, it seems a bit silly not to mention it as "Presumed2, given we don't see it. Or how else would he have Susanoo? --Sajuuk 15:00, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * As if Madara needed MS to use his Susanoo. Rage gtx (talk) 15:02, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Nobody has been seen using Susanoo without having awakened the Mangekyo. He doesn't "need" to specifically "use" MS to use Susanoo, but he needs to have "awakened" it to get access. Or are you suggesting Susanoo is just a plain Sharingan technique available to anyone who just has Sharingan and hasn't awakened MS? :D --Sajuuk 15:04, May 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * I think some times people bother for naught :/--BerserkerPhantom (talk) 15:04, May 26, 2016 (UTC)

@Sajuuk no i am suggesting that he awakened MS but it instantly turned into Rinnegan and he that's how he dot his Susanoo, more so we know presumble pattern of Hagoromo MS it should be same as Indra's(Uzumaki clan simbol pattern) given he had Hagoromo's pure Yin chakra. Rage gtx (talk) 15:07, May 26, 2016 (UTC)

You only need to awaken the tech in both MS eyes to awaken Susanoo. Then you can use it with Rinnegan, in Normal Sharingan State, or even without eyes. QuakingStar (talk) 15:08, May 26, 2016 (UTC)


 * Guys, actually, I don't question Hagoromo really awakening MS, there's already no doubt of it, I only question the possibility of the forehead marking being its manifestation. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 15:10, May 26, 2016 (UTC)

Considering that Madara, Obito and Naruto did not gain that Red marking, I don't think that marking had anything to do with SPSM or Senjutsu. QuakingStar (talk) 15:12, May 26, 2016 (UTC)

As i mentioned earlier if we cannot tell if white eyes of Hagorom are Byakugan how can we tell that Marking on Forhead is Eye Pattern, disregarding obvious absurdity of that, and if we were state it, it still was not stated or implied by any means so just Fanon. Rage gtx (talk) 15:18, May 26, 2016 (UTC)