Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34656247-20180528093116/@comment-33959444-20180528202927

Where is it stated Obito's Kamui is more taxing than Kakashi's? All that's stated is that one is short-range while one is long-range. A lot of people miss that Obito's base by itself must be really strong if he's even able to handle Hashirama DNA. Even Danzo wasn't able to handle Hashirama DNA, yet Obito was able to despite being stabbed through the heart. So, he could probably still use Kamui quite a lot, especailly considering that a non-Uchiha (Kakashi) could use it quite a bit. Kakashi definitely doesn't stomp Obito. It'd be pretty even if Obito is 14. Even at that age, he was strong enough to control Kurama and summon him, a feat Jiraiya thought as only accomplished by Madara.

However, Minato could come over and help defeat Obito.

MS Madara could definitely beat old Hiruzen in my opinion. When he was revived, his TAijuutsu with just the Three Tomoe Sharingan was good enough to easily pass through countless fodder nins in the Fourth Division. He only activated the Mangekyou when the Kage and Naruto jumped in. Even without the EMS, Madara still must have had at least a Skeletal and Humanoid Susanoo'o. That alone is enough to deal quite a lot of damage to Hiruzen in my opinion. Yes, Hiruzen does have mastery over a lot of Jutsu and all five basic Chakra Natures, but Susano'o is broken. And let's not forget that Hiruzen is old here, so he's way out of his prime.

Afer he defeats Hiruzen, he'd probably go to help Itachi vs Minato or Sasuke vs Jiraiya.

If Itachi is healthy against Minato, then here's what I think. If Minato is allowed SM, he wins. If not, then he can deal with Itachi pretty well due to FTG. With FTG, he could create a portal to teleport away a Bijuu Dama and showed no signs of stress. Even if Itachi is healthy, using the MS much strains him, so Minato could possibly win by outlasting. Amaterasu can be outsped. Tsukuyomi (if it gets off) can defeat Minato, but I'm not sure if Minato will get caught in it. Minato doesn't have the firepower to deal with Susano'o. At the same time, the Susano'o doesn't really have the speed to deal with Minato. In the end, Minato probably outlasts unless if Itachi defeats him with Genjutsu. So, this could possibly go either way. If Madara helps, I'm rooting for Itachi and Madara to defeat Minato.

MS Sasuke can spam his MS quite a lot, but the problem is that he can't use it infinitely. Jiraiya does have the fire sealing scroll to get rid of Amaterasu, but the problem is that it's not really efficient for defense. It's more efficient to get rid of Amatearasu if it's already on the ground. However, as a Sage, I still think Jiraiya can deal with Amaterasu. His Boss Summons, however, get one-shotted with Amaterasu. In the end, it goes down to Jiraiya vs Sasuke's Susano'o, which again could probably go either way. Although, I'm rooting for Jiraiya mainly because of his Audio Genjutsu, which could actually *possibly* solo the entire Uchiha team. If Madara joins, then it could either be Madara and Sasuke quickly overwhelming Jiraiya or Jiraiya one-shotting them with Sound Genjutsu.

In the end, Ithink it could go either way, but I'm rooting for Jiraiya, Minato, Hiruzen, and Kakashi.