Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26403664-20160228225013/@comment-27660682-20160301054204

Gmanis41 wrote: Yin and Yang Release are chakra natures but not elemental natures. The wiki says so, go on the Nature Transformation article. Ok I will give you that both weapons are not ninjutsu and if the DB3 is correct than truth seeking balls cannot affect the Yata Mirror based on your logic but we will never know the answer. Besides Madara and Hashirama are capable of defeating one on one with Itachi in a fight even with the Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror they are smart enough (maybe not smarter) and have the means. If you want I can explain why. And thank you for staying civil. I understand it's hard but you are contributing to the conversation I just hope now it can move on further.

@MigShinobbi "Saying the yata mirror is retconned on the basis other similar hype was refuted is basically stereotyping" I have ceased saying it was retconned and I am done arguing the Yata Mirror as it's not the entire point of this thread. And like I said it doesn't matter if you don't trust Madara or Obito you have to use nuance and context because strawmanning what their claims are in the story will eventually backfire.

@QuakingStar I am going to respond civilly since you are incapable of doing so. Neither of us moderators so your opinion on closing the thread is invalid and if a moderator chooses to close it, so be it. "Honestly if YOU think YOUR opinions and preferences are more factual and valuable than Kishimoto's himself then you are a delusional, self-centered, sheltered person." My opinions are not facts so therefore they cannot be more factual or valulable than Kishimoto's opinions. The fact is that the Yata Mirror has a claim that the author made about it a number of years ago when the manga was not finished. With other claims Kishimoto had made he has proven them within the story, the Yata Mirror does not fit that. The claim is not proven and the 3rd DataBook is not up to date at all. You are completely strawmanning what I am arguing and plainly shouldn't even be responded to.

"OU prefer feats alone and your own opinion and preferences. YOU are the one who is wrong, and YOU are the one who would rather ignore and omit the author's clarifying information he provides and try and push your own preference and opinions as fact. People like you, I wish would just stay off of the internet for the rest of your life. You people make this fucking wikia worse and worse each day, and every time I log on here its the same fucking people shitting on the author and his series," Feats are a result of the author's work and are evidence over claims the author has made that cannot be proven. Itachi is not an invincible character. In any case the reason why this thread could be closed is because you are failing to stay civil. All you have done is made insults and claims that I am stupid. You have not contributed once to the conversation and frankly I hope you do keep to your promise of no longer responding. I never insulted Kishimoto, if you actually read my post you would have seen that I made criticisms before I complimented the man. And your entire post is hypocirtical. You say the wiki is becoming toxic and worse, however you aren't doing anything to help. In fact you make things worse by not participating and just plainly insulting people. I won't call you a fanboy and I won't insult you. I only ask that unless you have something relevant to discuss you don't respond and actually act mature. Ps. I never made any Dragon Ball Z fallacies and you can't prove otherwise. Go ahead and post the arguments for hashi and madara. And yes I understand the yata mirror thing and know where you stand on it, that wasnt directed to you as much as it was directed at everyone.

Im not strawmanning obito and madara, its just that they both have given quite a bit misinformation since black zetsu lied to them both and altered the tablet. For example madara said hagoromo created ninjutsu when he actually created ninshu. I dont take what they say about infinite tsyukyomi/uchiha stone tablet/ sage of six paths 100 percent seriously as a result.

I know ying and yang arent elemental they are spiritual and physical nature transformations respectively. Is listed as such on the nature transformations wiki page.

@ShadowFlame, the difference is who is saying it like I said. The writer himself doesn't necessarily have to give feats for an ability in his own story, he just needs to explain how it works which he did in databook. 3 Not giving feats is bad writing yes and tends to rip the community apart on speculation because they havent seen enough "impressive" feats to verify the claim. And tbh kamui teleporting away the truth seeking balls seems to be a plot hole, the kamui barrier is still space time ninjutsu so the balls should negate it. Guy breaching it makes sense as he is using taijutsu.