Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36006024-20180926134241/@comment-31099706-20181010125932

LegionZero wrote: The biggest bad of the series at that point and you think he wasnt going to charge full speed? I'm pretty sure Obito was the biggest during that point, Madara was just another Edo Summon until his involvement in everything showed that he was the original big bad.

Naruto was conversating with Itachi Talking, not talking, his movements are still movements. He doesn't always move at his top speed, we have seen many instances of it, like how he suddenly overspeeded A, and how he suddenly blizted Kaguya, to which a while ago he was fighting head on with hundreds of clones around her.

Obito is actually stupidly strong and fast. The fandom likes to underate him but he was keeping up with, reacting to, dodging etc etc KCM Naruto, Gai, Kakashi, and Bee all at once. Saying Obito could run alongsode Naruto isnt a downplay on Naruto, its a testament to Obito. I doubt the fandom underates Obito. But he himself said to Guy that all the feats he did was thanks to his Sharingan and it's predictive ability not his speed. And Madara has the EMS.

I dont recall ot ever being a thing that B was second in speed only to A. Sasuke couldnt dodge B's blades while in base. In fact Sasuke noted that he could only properly see him because he was moving in straight line. So far, B is shown to be the third fastest guy presently when Naruto gained the Ninetails chakra, second was A, and so far B, unless you include Guy with his Gates open.

Sasuke wasn't dodging his swords, but fighting against it, so it proves to be a more challenging feat then simply dodging it, as Itachi easily did against Bee's same attack. The difference is, one was dodging it, and the other was fighting it. So blows would obviously come without a doubt.

A wasnt using his full speed at that moment. Literally in the next panel A bodied Sasuke and he couldnt react at all. Once he started kicking his speed up a notch Sasuke couldnt keep up with physical movements anymore and started using 360 defense. A didn't use his full speed, but even that speed wasn't anything to scoff at, A himself praised Sasuke for it. And by the time A started using his full speed, Sasuke's eyes had already started to bleed and hurt, to which he covered his eyes.

Madara had Sage Mode, which has arguably better predictive capabilities than the Sharingan. Sage Mode grants amazing reaction ability, but it doesn't give the predictive abilities, that's the Sharingan's power. The EMS itself grants the user fluent moves to which Madara praised with Sasuke's.

Also Madara had Rinnegan active and the manga made it fairly clear that Madara cant use Rinnegan and EMS abilities at the same time. Which point are you talking about now?

Not having an explaination doesnt mean that there is even a possibility that Hashirama has some auto-Senjutsu abilities. His senjutsu is most likely self-taught because nothing in the canon states that he has any biological Senjutsu related stuff going on How is it sensible that he self taught something that others had to train and learn for days?

There is a huge difference between Juubichuriki and Hashi's Sage Mode. One involves becoming the host of sentient beast whos chakra is composed of 6 Paths chakra and natural energy and is as powerful as a planets worth of energy. Hashirama balances out his chakra with natural energy I'm talking about the automatic absorbtion of Nature Energy.

... and. This doesnt lend credence to the theory that wood release and Bijuu chakra are somehow incompatable. So far no one mentioned to be compatable either.

He died is 1SWW. I always took that as he died in battle considering he wasnt all that old. We were given hints that he actually were targeted by strong assasions such as Kazuku. So far, Hashi is not immune to poison.

Flat out false. Not sure how much clearer Kishimoto has to be. Sasuke said Itachi's eyes were making him stronger. Not that Sasuke's chakra were making Itachi's eyes stronger. Sasuke stated himself that he felt Itachi's power. And then he feels himself getting stronger. He means the mix of chakra, Itachi's own Chakra mixes with Sasuke's. Making the EMS. The process can't simply be achieved without Sasuke's chakra. It's like saying Madara's eyes were the reason his Sharingan turned into a Rinnegen and not that his Hashi's cells contributed to it. If Itachi's Chakra actually helped him more for the EMS, then Sasuke would have Tsukuyomi for his visual jutsu too, but in this case, his chakra forms around Itachi's eyes and acts as his own.

Sasuke achieved EMS because of Itachi's eyes and power. Sasuke could never have EMS without Itachi. Unless he got Fugaku's, but even then Sasuke would need someone elses power added to his to reach the next level. Doesn't change the fact that he uses his own chakra to power and use the EMS in battles.

TB is part of Susanoo? Meaning that is Itachi's ability, awakened from his own power. Hax or not. TB is not part of the Susanoo, it's a sword Itachi uses that makes him invincible along with the Yata Mirror stated by Zetsu himself. It's more than just a mere boost in chakra or physical powers, but two things that Itachi doesn't originally own or a part of him that makes him powerful. If you want to go further on this, Itachi uses medicines to extend his eye sight, which originally would have ended before he met Sasuke.

Nope. Snake sage users have to train as well. The Snake biting them and forcing Sage Mode is to see if he will accept them as students. Still, every one needs to train for something to properly handle it. Even the Sharingan is such. And the EMS's own potentiel has to be achieved.

Rasa, in the manga, attributed it to his mothers love and the novels say its magnet release. Still he uses two external sources of chakra and he needs sand around him to work, which is why he carries sand he filled Chakra with in the first place.

Deidara makes the clay explode. Its how Explosion release works. Never stated it not, bur his explosion release relys alot on the clay, without it, he can't use his explosions.

And? Its not like the kunai are power/stat boosters. They are regular objects. Taking the Kunais away heavily handicaps Minato's style, which relys on it.

It absorbs chakra but it isnt stated boost Hashirama's. So far, everything that absorbs chakra, boosts the user's own.

Tsunade hit him once. If he didnt have unlimited stamina he would have busted out the Perfect Susanoo and no-diffed them much earlier in the fight. Madara by character doesn't use the Susanoo without his opponent showing worth for it. As Hashi doesn't use his own more powerful techniques without the right condition for it. While the Characters I mentioned use theirs against any moment, from the beginning to out of nowhere.

Highly doubt Sasuke or Onoki can win but this is hardly a retort. Sasuke, Itachi and Onoki have the power to do so, it simply lies on the chance for it. Whether they plan a perfect plan against Hashi or Hashi just leaves an opening for them.

And you believe these arent related because? Because Sasuke at that point won't miss a point to praise Itachi, if Itachi's chakra was actually powering him alone then he would have said Itachi was powering him straight on.

When Sasuke and Danzo stabbed eachother Karin healed Sasuke. Then served as a pretty good distraction/sacrifice to finish off Danzo.

The original fight had already ended with Sasuke tricking Danzo into a stab without his Izanagi. Karin healing Sasuke was a standard process, that is done in the end of the battle, to regain strength.

Danzo simply came for a second round and caught Karin. Now Karin was the advantage of Danzo rather than Sasuke. If Karin wasn't in the way, he would have simply done it with the Chidori sphere the same way he did with Karin.