Talk:Tsukuyomi

Bloodline Necessity
Why was the part where it mentioned you will need to share the same blood as Itachi as well as possess a sharingan to escape tsukuyomi removed? Kingomanoki (talk) 02:05, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
 * I took the "same blood" line in chapter 142 to mean defeating Itachi, not Tsukuyomi. (I also took it to mean any Uchiha, not just Sasuke.)
 * Even if you believe "same blood" is in reference to Tsukuyomi, Zetsu's comments in chapter 388 indicate it's not a matter of having the same blood, but rather being skilled with the Sharingan. ~SnapperTo 03:29, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
 * However, before and after he says the bloodline quote( which if I remember correctly he specifically stated be related to "me") he refers to tsukuyomi. And Zetsu without a doubt indicates needing skill to break free, however i'm pretty sure even if you are related to itachi and possess a sharingan, for instance sasuke in part 1 would most likely not be able to break out, even though he's related.Kingomanoki (talk) 03:36, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with me? ~SnapperTo 03:48, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm disagreeing. Kingomanoki (talk) 05:51, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
 * He's talking about Tsukuyomi before the "same blood" part, yes. But as I mentioned, the "same blood" is mentioned insomuch as being needed to defeat Itachi, not Tsukuyomi. And it's not appropriate for the wiki to apply statements about one thing to a second thing. It would be like, when given the statements, $$A > B$$ and $$C \le D$$, you conclude that $$A \ge C$$. That conclusion might be true, but you've got not direct evidence of it. ~SnapperTo 23:10, August 26, 2018 (UTC)
 * Not to seem like i'm just trying to find anything to say, but what exactly proved *any* particularly skilled sharingan user can escape tsukuyomi? kakashi was put into tsukuyomi and yet couldn't escape, however sasuke was able to, and if we compare sasuke's skills with sharingan compared to kakashi, I would say kakashi is better. As well as, sasuke is actually related to itachi. Adding on, wouldn't he just instead be saying tsukuyomi makes him in a sense unstoppable since anyone not related to him can't escape tsukuyomi? Kingomanoki (talk) 05:56, August 27, 2018 (UTC)

Even Perfect Jinchuriki cannot beat Tsukuyomi
Naruto knows Killer B is a perfect Jinchuriki, yet tells him if he gets hit by Tsukuyomi it is over. It's effects are too fast and too devastating so that should be mentioned in the article, though how to word it is the issue. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 00:36, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Naruto warns him about being hit by either MS jutsu, so the issue isn't genjutsu per se, it's Itachi's MS in general. People keep harping on the too fast effect, but everyone seems to forget that even for perfect jinchuriki, Tsukuyomi isn't necessary to catch them in genjutsu. Obito managed to put Yagura under genjutsu, and he didn't have Tsukuyomi. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:50, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

That is indeed true. Itachi also caught B in a normal Genjutsu and B didn't know it until Gyuki warned him about it. But there are some users on this wikia who seem to think Tsukuyomi wouldn't have an actual effect BECAUSE the other person is a perfect Jinchuriki which is just entirely false. In a literal second it would have started and ended and that would be that. The only issue is wording these things because some people get uppity about it. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 03:48, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If people want to make baseless conclusions, on what-if scenarios, that's on them. Point is, as far as Tsukuyomi is concerned, we don't know what would happen, because it never did, so there's no need to mention it. We don't know if a tailed beast would break the genjutsu, we don't know if it would also be caught in the genjutsu, or if by having forewarning like Naruto gave B and Gyuki something could be done. Sure, Naruto had that concern, but Naruto is also hardly an authority on genjutsu. He warned B it would be over if he was hit by Amaterasu as well, and we know the first time B got hit with it, he seized the opportunity to go on an unsupervised vacation. Closest thing to Tsukuyomi B and Gyuki ever dealt with was Sasuke's MS genjutsu when they fought, and one that was conspicuously Tsukuyomi-like, with the signature colour-inversion, and quite reminiscent of Itachi's first use on Kakashi, but with giant feathers instead of swords doing the stabbing. They broke through it. Still, no Tsukuyomi on perfect jinchuriki actually happened. Between not actually happening, and other weaker genjutsu working, trying to say what would happen with Tsukuyomi is an intersection of pointless and speculative, whether one leans towards working or not working. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:31, 8 January 2021 (UTC)