Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-26145872-20160224202704/@comment-27660682-20160316213704

It does Matter otherwise it proves even more that naruto surpassed jiraiya, and hey, that's fine by me. Naruto needed prep to compensate for his handicap, so it balances out. Jiraiyia absolutely needs the frogs to maintain his sage mode, whereas naruto can just use shadow clones. The shadow clones basically are summons since they were sitting in mount myobku like the other frog summoms, so your little prep argument is weak. Again, you claimed that when jiraiya gets full intel he will start off in sage mode, which is prep in itself. Even when he starts off in sage mode he can't replicate the feats naruto did because he doesn't have the option of massive shadow clone spawn and effective transformation jutsu feints. Pain arc naruto> pain arc jiraiya, and that's not factoring in kurama's rampage. Naruto in his limited sage mode did far better against 5 pains then jiraiya did against 3, and jiraiya needed to retreat, prep, and have his frogs do the genjustu.