Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-32617252-20180630010918/@comment-734582-20180701140210

Elveonora wrote: I thought the only reason the Shinigami used a dagger to cut Orochimaru's soul was because Hiruzen was already weak and dying and losing the soul-pulling contest. Yea, and that's why he cut out part of the soul. Else he probably couldn't have pulled out the soul at all. Yet, no such thing happened with Minato v Kurama.

LegionZero wrote: Even shadow clones have souls as the Reaper ripped souls out of Shadow Clones. Uhm? The Shinigami ripped out people's souls using the Shadow Clones as an intermediary. it did not rip souls out of shadowclones to my knowledge. LegionZero wrote: Apparently chakra does have a soul. Yet while giving someone your soul grants them your power (Edo Tensei, Dan, Obito), giving chakra does not.

Which again points to what i've said before: We don't fully understand the picture. Like, the chakra fruit is clearly not the same chakra as people normally use. It's not finite in nature, it can regenerate itself. Someone spitting a fireball doesn't create an infinitely expanding ball of fire. Someone transferring chakra doesn't transfer power. Yet, the Fruit itself is a permanent self-replenishing power. So, "chakra" A isn't "chakra" B. Plus, while some chakra can contain an imprint of someone's soul (minato, kushina), in most cases this does not (too many to name). So, "chakra" B isn't "chakra" C. Finally, we can point to the fact that some chakras can cause mutations or alterations ("special chakra that turns the Sharingan to a Mangekyo"), which is once more unlike the previous chakras. "chakra" C isn't "chakra" D.

So we have the word "chakra" refer to a bunch of things that aren't even the same thing.

Now, we can in fact group some of them together. The special chakra of the MS conveys unique, permanent, nontransferable power. Sounds similar to the power of the Fruit. Biju are similarly entities of such chakra, though they can be transferred. The Hagoromo chakra needed for the Rinnegan sounds similar to that of the Mangekyou. The chakra granted by Hagoromo to people furthermore was of the apparently permanent kind (Fruit/biju).