Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20160221124823/@comment-27660682-20160317235809

Rachin123 wrote: @MIGshinobi All MS techniques take a toll on Itachi. This is proven period. Maybe not as much as one another but definitely it is. And the fact that we don't know how much the sickness effected his stamina we can't just assume it was originally all the high in the first place. And what's a decent amount of time for you. He held Susanoo for all about a minute in that fight. The fact that Itachi won't start with Susanoo until really needef, already will diminish his chakra. Itachi has always compensated with genjutsu but Jiraiya knows how to deal with genjutsu. It might not be on par with Itachi but not all Itachi's genjutsu techniques are high. The stronger the jutsu, the more chakra he takes, and the fact that his more stronger genjutsu techniques require eye contact is tricky especially since Jiraiya isn't a close range fighter in the first place. In all threads I see you in, you just keep defending Itachi to the max. It like you don't believe anyone can beat him. Except I said myself they take a huge toll, I simply said he isn't limited to a few shots and proved why. Like I said tsyukyomi costs 30 percent of his chakra, after it successfully lands. Jiraiya can't break tsyukyomi, and the only reason the sasuke fight dragged out was because he was able to break tsyukyomi,  wasting 30 percent of itachi's chakra for nothing. And you could clearly see itachi was drained from that, but he also stopped taking his medication and was holding back from the start, and he still nearly outlasted sasuke. Sasuke didnt even kill him itachi itachi killed himself practically. And he held susanoo for more than a minute, let's not exaggerate. It was a few minutes, that was all he needed to end sasuke if he wanted to. And no, all itachi debates for me are lazily done. It comes down to this, the anti itachi side completely disregards the yata mirror and totsuka, they also claim everyone and anyone casually avoids eye contact 100 percent of the time with ease, as if it's that easy to do( like I said if it were that easy, why do people get caught in sharingan  genjustu?), and then most of all, itachi is apparently incapable of beating anyone because he has lower than average reserves. I never said he is unbeatable, the 6 paths of pain can beat him. It's cop out arguments. Jiraiya lacks a sharingan and while I believe he is strong enough to break most of itachi's lower tier genjustu, like I said it's whether he can do so in time. Itachi's regular genjustu clearly isnt average aa he can control people outside the range of sensors. Naruto with all his chakra also couldn't break it. Orochimaru attempted to begin trying to break his genjustu, but before he could his arm was cut off. Jiraiya's frogs can help with the genjustu problem to a degree, but still he has to account for the rest of itachi's arsenal. Instead of spamming itachi's lower reserves 24/7 I want to see substantiation for the advantages jiriaiya has when it comes to speed, taijutsu, ninjutsu,  intelligence,  wisdom, dealing with susanoo,  how exactly he is dealing with the various methods itachi can cast genjutsu, among other things. Every battle apparently is determined by speed and stamina apparently.