Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-32900772-20170904113855/@comment-28247797-20171016164546

@UltimaDude The four techniques that Naruto and Sasuke used were one of their best and most effective. I'm more than certain the other abilities they had, if used would've done next to nothing. We're talking about a TTJ that had absorbed the Shinju tree, he's nigh immortal.

The problem with most of the points you're making is that you're giving Naruto and Sasuke credit for handling Madara when he wielded one Rinnegan. Again, I can give them that. Naruto and Sasuke could've beaten Madara if he only had one Rinnegan, and decided to seal him instead of using their respective Chidori/Rasengan. Naruto dodged one Limbo, not four at the same time in unison with Madara. Not only did Madara say he was the savior of the world but he also claimed he was gonna end them. Another problem I'm seeing is that you also are not paying attention to any form of context. Like for Naruto hitting Madara with the Rasenshiriken at the start, he was only even able to do that with such ease because Madara was literally battered from fighting Guy beforehand. Or when it comes to the planetoids that Madara made, it took Sasuke's arguably best ability (and even then Sasuke needed help.) and for Naruto to charge multiple bijuu dama (which took time) to counter something Madara casually made on a whim with next to no effort. Again, his composure and confidence proves it. You're too focused on what happened, you're not paying attention to HOW it happened or WHY it happened. And you're just blatantly not understanding context at all.

That's not even a battle scenario if you think about it, those were distractions Madara created on a whim and he could've dealt with them then and there if he wasn't distracted on achieving IT. After making the planetoids he could've just flew down and flat out blitz'd Naruto with himself and 4 Limbo at the same time, exploiting the fact he needed to charge the bijuudama. What's to stop Madara? Sasuke would be too distracted with CT to do anything.

You don't even know if they kept Limbo busy, they literally only clashed for one panel. And yes, Sasuke was shaken that Naruto was gonna get them caught in IT because Madara's Limbos were outside. He even mentioned it, if Naruto's clones were anywhere near as effective against Limbo as you're trying to portray then I highly doubt Sasuke would've mentioned it to Naruto before he tried to leave Susano'o. And I also highly doubt Sasuke would've been worried when they got surrounded by four of them on all sides, Naruto didn't even use his clones again and just screamed "I know!" when Sasuke mentioned they were getting surrounded. You really aren't inferring well to be honest. And no, if Madara is confident he can take you out, chances are he can because it's consistent with his character, lol. He's not an idiot, he was never cocky against Hashirama in EMS form because he knew Hashirama was stronger. Hell, Madara even said if he didn't get his second eye while fighting Naruto and Sasuke he was gonna be deep trouble. He went from being worried to cocky after gaining power ups. Given the nature of his character that should say a lot.

Yeah, you really don't get it. Naruto and Sasuke not using their full power? Let's compare. Please tell me what Sasuke is gonna do to top his PS? What else in Sasuke's arsenal aside from any Rinnegan techniques that he's mostly already used in battle is gonna be effective against Madara? Naruto has used most of his powerful abilities, Madara even took a Rasenshuriken while being severely wounded beforehand and this was pre-shinju tree absorption. The only thing Naruto didn't do was summon Kurama in his six paths state but once again, that really isn't gonna be enough to take down Madara. One Limbo clone casually knocked back nine tailed beasts pre-TTJ amp and now there's four of them, plus wood techniques. Naruto and Sasuke went from handling Madara to not being able to touch him physically after he gained his second eye.

Madara literally got another Rinnegan (Two Rinnegans bring out their full power.) then got a Rinne Sharingan on his forehead. He reached the pinnacle of dojutsu. That's a massive powerup. The difference in their power from scaling off that alone is quite vast. We are talking about someone who is significantly more experienced and versatile, if he were to use the full extent of his eyes + wood style that dumps on anything Naruto and Sasuke could do. Madara holding back in that state means so much more than Naruto holding back an ability or two, and in Sasuke's case it'd be something weaker than he's already displayed. TTJ Madara+Dual Rinnegan+Shinju tree+Rinne sharingan holding back >> Six paths Naruto+One Rinnegan Sasuke holding back an ability or two. The potential and possibilities he has in that state far out weights anything Naruto and Sasuke could do. So no, it's not absurd at all. It's actually kinda cute that you think someone with that kind of raw power holding back would mean the same as Naruto and Sasuke holding back in which they mostly weren't to be quite honest. You mentioned that Madara lost his Sharingan, with further inspection the Rinne Sharingan actually grants the ocular powers of the Sharingan. I'm gonna reiterate what I said before. Limbo surrounded the duo and they didn't have a response for it. We don't even know the full extent of Limbo, is it capable of using abilities? But the bottom line is, yes the story makes it obvious that Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't have been able to handle Madara if you're paying attention to the context of what's going on.