Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26388300-20160405070243/@comment-26773508-20160501095724

Rachin123 wrote: With Dust Release, it doesn't matter about durability as proven time and time again. PS or not it will still be turned to dust (so to speak), unless you can provide evidence it won't.

If mean toying because he knew he couldn't die then sure I guess Danzo was toying with Sasuke. While admit that knowing that you are pretty much immortal would make you a bit reckless, Madara was not toying with them, he actually had to really try. He also came back with a few perks he didn't have before so partly his lasting was due to that too. Okay hold on there for a minute. You're conveniently shifting the burden of proof to the opposition, when actually the onus is on you to prove that the PS will be obliterated by Dust Release. Why, you might ask? Because:

1) Nowhere has it been stated that the Dust Release can vapourise everything. Every technique has its limits. Dust Release is no exception. It has proven to be very powerful, but the manga hasn't given us any sufficient ground to conclude that it will vapourise a Perfect Susanoo.

2) It has been shown time and again that there is a vast difference in the durability between the Ribcage Susanoo and Perfect Susanoo. Edo Madara only used the Ribcage and Humanoid forms for the vast majority of his little game with the 5 Kage. The moment he showed them the Perfect Susanoo was the moment they fell into a bottomless pit of despair. The only brief moment of hope the Kage had was when Itachi undid the Edo Tensei. But then Madara weaved the hand signs of Edo Tensei in reverse and the Kage were back into the slaughterhouse.

3) Neither Onoki nor Muu have shown any feats against the Perfect Susanoo. Muu was easily knocked out by a Skeletal Susanoo arm while Onoki fought for sometime and got his ass handed to him. Granted, Onoki might not have mastered Dust Release yet, but Muu probably did. But the second Tsuchikage got knocked down like a bitch with just a swing of a skeletal Susanoo arm. So the first opportunity for displaying the feats of Dust Release against PS was easily lost because Muu and Onoki got owned like bitches. Heck, neither of them pressurised Madara enough for him to unleash the PS.

So Madara:1; Onoki:0.

The second opportunity presented itself when Edo Madara finally decided to flash his wares and unleashed the PS on the 5 Kage. Once again, Onoki did nothing and just stood there with his mouth wide open. If the Dust Release were as powerful as you suppose, then Onoki would have shown it. Since he didn't, the reasonable position to take would be to assume that the Perfect Susanoo is beyond the limits of Dust Release. It seems reasonable to concede that the Dust Release can, at most, peel away a few inches off of the surface of the PS.

So, Madara: 2; Onoki: 0.

This is a reasonable conclusion based on the lack of feats against PS. And in VS battles, we look at feats. Onoki had every opportunity to obliterate the PS with Dust Release. He didn't. Not only that, there is no suggestion in the manga that Dust Release could work against PS. Neither Kishi nor any other character in the manga has suggested that the Dust Release could take out PS. So that puts the burden of proof on you. YOU need to show that the Dust Release can eat the PS for breakfast.