Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-25516007-20141008201906/@comment-7292165-20141023215405

Orochimaru didn't beat Hiruzen when he first left the village they didn't even fight. So your wrong there. But Hiruzen at that time could've killed Orochimaru. Sasuke didn't win the battle with Itachi, he survived. Sasuke didn't beat him, Itachi's disease got the better of him. That's like saying Gaara beat Kimimaro but he didn't. Well I don't recall them fighting before the start of the series and even if they did Orochimaru would have no problem killing Jiraiya so Jiraiya obviously would've survived on his own accord.