Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150411112131/@comment-5936871-20150411191542

I think people forget one major thing. Even before Hagoromo became the Ten-Tails' Jinchuriki, he and his brother, Hamura, defeated the Ten-Tails and sealed it inside of Hagoromo. That right there says Base Hagoromo >>>> Base Madara. Once Hagoromo and the Ten-Tails' powers were combined, he became much stronger than before, making him even more godlike. Hagoromo was born with the rinnegan, developed and mastered most of it's abilities on it's own (including it's signature six paths jutsus), possessed his treasured tools, and the sword of nunoboku that was stated to shape the world. He also had the Ten-Tails sealed in him for a very long amount of time so he has much more experience with the Rinnegan and being the TTJ than Madara does. When Madara became the TTJ, he wasn't 100% complete yet as he was missing Yin Kurama and Obito stole a portion of Shukaku and Gyuki's chakra from Madara. Hagoromo on the other hand, was the complete TTJ and has all the other things I stated before. Also, Hagoromo said that Madara was trying to get close his and his mother's level of power, not that he achieved it and was equal to them. Therefore, Hagoromo is the winner. Even after he died, his soul and chakra traveled throughout time observing things and only half of his chakra that he gave to Naruto and Sasuke was enough to overwhelm Madara for a while as the TTJ and even when Madara had both Rinnegan and obtained Rinne Sharingan and cast Tsukuyomi Naruto and Sasuke were able to counter both his limbo clones and his meteorites without getting injured at all in the process. Hell, both of them didn't even go 100% all out against Madara as Naruto never even acted Six Paths Tailed Beast Mode or directly attack Madara with his Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken or Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken attacks and Sasuke had yet to master his Rinnegan. He was even able to summon back the souls and chakra of all of the Kage to summon Team 7 and the Tailed Beasts back from Kaguya's dimension and could undo edo tensei easily himself even without being a user of it and while having virtually no chakra left. Basically what I'm trying to say is that it's clear that Hagoromo is in another league in comparison to Madara.