Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26127155-20150326052215/@comment-26323734-20150418112031

Ten Tailed Fox wrote: Sekai does not have dual meanings. You're making things up now. It literally means "world". Your example doesn't prove a dual meaning. In fact, I'd trust someone who knows the language over some internet website anyday. Regardless, they're aliens. The end.

Edit: For the sake of good debate, let's say you're right. Sekai means "society" and "world". It literally makes no sense, logically, for the context of the databook entry to mean "society". The only logical conclusion, given the context, is another "world" (which is what sekai is translated as 99.999% of every time it is used anywhere). You can grasp for straws and continue to drag on debates, which you propagate because you a desperate to find a meaning that validates your own personal denial, but it doesn't change the fact that this is not open for interpretation. The clan came from another world to earth. That's just a fact.

If you refuse to believe that, then I don't know what to tell you, because we don't change fact based on someone not liking that it is indeed a fact.

Hello I´ve read through your guys whole discussion and I wanna give my two cents on it. Keep in mind this is nothing personal, neither do I have definitive evidence to prove my points which are currently just theoy and will require a proper translation of the guidebooks and some clarification through Kishi if he´ll ever give us some. I don´t mean to belittle by any means the translators of this site, but I´ve encountered alot missconceptions through translation because of the lack of proper words or falsely literal translation which can differ in meaning when put in different context. Also this website claims that the Kaguya clan are descendants from Kaguya, without really giving proof, http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kaguya_Clan. I´ll believe that when I read a translation thankfully I´m in germany and we even got the tale of the Gutsy Ninja translated.

Also sorry, but your claim that languages outside of English are more precise with their wording is completely false. I´m studying English linguistics in germany where I´ve grown up and my homeland is greece and also study a little latin on the side because of my history degree course.In german as well as in greek 1 word can have up to 5 meanings and if you change it´s context it can have a whole other meaning, not including slang or dialects in here. Latin is even more complicated where even latin professors aren´t inherently sure if their translations are accurate.Turkish for example as a language completely lacks noun markers. They don´t have even something simple as "the" where german has 3 to differentiate male female and neutral nouns, "der" "die" das". Japanese as a language is of similar complexety as german and the translators on mangastream stressed it out that most of the time a literal translation makes no sense given the context of the story, some words don´t even exist in English. Which is why France has a special department dedicated to make up new words in their language, which mirror foreign words that do not exist in french.

Back to Kaguya and why it´s unlikely that she´s an alien from outer space but rather an alien as in "immigrant",see how even this word has two meanings? In Anime and manga white hair stands usually for either A. a celestial/divine or B. enlightened/wise/transcended being. Which initially made me think that Kaguya may have been a goddes who came down to an earthen plane. Kishimoto himself claimed that he drew Naruto blond, because he wanted to portray with him a foreigner living in feudal Japan. Her story itself seems like a mixture of the book of Genesis, with Kaguya having the role of Eve and the divine tree being the tree of knowledge and japanese folklore in which deities reside inside of big trees. One of the Dragon Ball Movies, where a godtree and a forbidden fruit play a mayor role, the game Tales of Phantasia or The secret of mana are all possibly inspired by those folklore tales as well. Christianity isn´t particulary hated in Japan but it´s not the most performed/influential religion although the country is pretty open now to foreign religions and allow the practice of any religion christianity is observed with caution. More casual stuff to this topic here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLhiWw3pzQk&ab_channel=TheGameTheorists. It´s about Final fantasy which according to Kishis interviews and Q&A sections may have played a big influencial role considering he was a big Dragon Quest fan.

So, since we know Kaguya is inspired by Eve, what character inspired Hagoromo? Well short answer Buddha. Buddha was a wandering "Priest"/Sage/Monk/Hermit who reached transcendence and inner Nirvana through living based on his principles and spreading his "religion" to unite people and lead them to happyness. Was Buddha Japanese? No he wasn´t he came from India. India was a travelmyth-enshrouded legendary place for the people of japan during the times of feudal japan, because not many could travel there and come back within their lifetime. The Kaguya-hime no Monogatari which is the original story Narutos Kaguya is a based on (the moon princess), requires from one of her suitors to find a magical item which is told to be located in India, which he fails to get because he cannot travel there within the time period that the item is requested. Shinto the prevelant religion in Japan developed out of buddhism which is the second most worshipped religion within japanese society, both of them have alot of references inside of Naruto, which makes it highly likely that Hagoromo represents Buddha (Kishi probably is a Buddhist himself).

Then there is this:http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/319/b/9/toneri_by_qaelios-d86i1kq.jpg The typical Otsutsuki wedding dress, what does it remind you guys of?

Furthermore another hint is a discussion within the Novel: Shikamaru Hiden, where he has a discussion with a guy named Gengo and Shikamaru mentions several times that he didn´t think about the fate of this "continent". This may also be a translation error because he refers to it as "world" later on, which well, leaves room for interpretation. But let´s take a look at the Naruto worldmap,http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110114161251/naruto/images/3/3e/Naruto_World_Map.svg does it look complete? Well certainly if the world would be a disk and not a sphere like shown in "The Last".

'''So my assumption is basicly, The Otsutsuki clan are people from another "continent" similar to the invaders of the second Naruto Movie The Stone of feces.Why won´t we see this country? Kishi has build a whole world, just to explain the story about 1 boy and his struggles, going further would require him to give an explanation to the whole culture/powers/looks of that "other world" and it´s people.'''