Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20160614093346/@comment-734582-20160619200019

QuakingStar wrote: You're the one making things up. 100X the power?? Wrong. Stop making stuff up and come back to me. Judging from the minor ninjutsu he absorbs and the bijudama he absorbes, 100x the strength seems to be about right. I vaguely recall Momoshiki saying he'll return it a hundred times, but i'm not in the mood to skim the movie again.

UltimaDude wrote: @Thekillman Nothing ever suggest that they lost the chakra they were given from Hagoromo. Hagoromo tells them to stretch out their dominant hands. They do. They receive the seals with his power (again, the seals glow with power in Kaguya's vision far beyond what their body radiates. Hagoromo's power is in the seals). They use up the seals against Kaguya and the seals return to Hagoromo's hands. They then lose their dominant hands that they received their gifts with.

Secondly, Kabuto knew how to awaken Rinnegan and wanted Sasuke as his final test subject. He repents due to Itachi. All he needs to do is put his plan into motion earlier, and all that plan really requires is giving Sasuke Hashirama's cells.

Similarly, Obito very deliberately gave Naruto his missing biju and very deliberately those Biju gave naruto their chakra, knowing their combined power would bring out Hagoromo. Not only does Kurama allude to the Sage of Six Paths in reference to Naruto, but the biju agree he's the child of the second prophecy AND "the old man". It would have been within their power to know the effects of all their chakras combined.

Fourthly, the point is that they only lost Hagoromo's chakra gift. Hagoromo didn't have to create their abilities. He only would have to make sure Naruto and Sasuke could use their eventual powers immediately (As Sasuke with Hashirama cells would eventually awaken rinnegan and presumably Naruto would eventually awaken SPSM) rather than potentially have to wait as long as their death.

Fifthly, Hagoromo doesn't make his move until the preparations are complete. He waits until Naruto has the nine beasts completely and Sasuke is healed entirely. He directly references that he can do nothing about their situation but tell them a story.

So don't give me this "there's no evidence" thing. Kishimoto's loves his symbolism and it's no coincidence the man with Dojutsu gives naruto his biju and the man with Senjutsu gives Sasuke his cells. It's no coincidence that the seals return to hagoromo and it's no coincidence that they lose the hands they received that seal with.

UltimaDude wrote: @QuakingStar Then tell me how Sasuke was able to destroy a mountain-destroying asteroid with a simple Chidori and how Naruto contained Momoshiki's ultra-charged TBB without their Hag gift? Sasuke was cutting these meteors with Susanoo and nothing more, and did this without effort. There's absolutely nothing special about Sasuke destroy a small piece of rock when he's been seen destroying far bigger things with equal minimal effort.

UltimaDude wrote: 2.)Naruto was having his chakra absorbed for probably hours by Momoshiki. Uncertain. They still had to dimension hop first and it's unclear how long that takes.

Furthermore, Naruto already had two chakra tugs of war and a soul extraction as experience. Momoshiki even mentions he's resisting significantly. Furthermore, even Bee seemed to have taken a while.

UltimaDude wrote: Sasuke dimension-hopped, something that even drains a lot of chakra from KAGUYA Yea the last time that happened, it was Sakura powering the dimension hop. Impressive, but Perfect Susanoo alone puts sasuke at Biju-level reserves. He can handle it.

UltimaDude wrote: Despite all of that, Naruto and Sasuke were destroying Momoshiki and would of ended him had it not been for the Scientist Guy interrupting. Obviously. But Momoshiki is a guy who fights with Ninjutsu. He's a ninjutsu specialist. Kaguya spammed ninjutsu. She has every reason to fear the duo since they pretty strongly counter many of her powers (a thread was already devoted to that0>

Naruto and Sasuke on the other hand spent a lot of time honing their Taijutsu. Momoshiki never bothered to learn to fight without Ninjutsu whereas Naruto and Sasuke by now have experience in just about any kind of fighting, be it six paths-wielding, Kekkei-genkai-wielding, Taijutsu using, genjutsu wielding, tool use etc.