Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26403664-20160228225013/@comment-27660682-20160229232904

BakumatsuWarrior wrote: @MIGshinobi: You're claiming that Yata Mirror can withstand Truth Seeking Balls as well? And yet you feel offended when others label people like you as "Itachi wankers". Thing is, the MANGA claims that TSB's can NULLIFY ALL NINJUTSU. They're so potent that even Edo Zombies can't recover once they're hit with it. And yet here you are, citing some old databook and claiming that the Yata Mirror can nullify the TSB's as well. Sorry to break it to you, but the onus is on YOU to provide evidence that the Yata Mirror can withstand TSB's. As others have already pointed out, the Yata Mirror has very little feats. TSB's have a fuck lot more. And the latest infos given by the manga about TSB's contradict your claims.

Also, seeing how Kishi handled Hiruzen's hype and feats, both in the manga and in the databook, it is quite reasonable to take databook hypes with a pinch of salt. Manga feats trump Databook hypes. Later Manga retcons trump earlier manga claims. Black Zetsu said Itachi was "practically" invincible. Yet Itachi hasn't shown any feats that says he actually is invincible. In fact, the manga as a whole contradicts that statement.

Another interesting observation is Juubito's Sword of Nonoboku or whatever that DNA shaped sword is called. Juubito claimed that the sword was so powerful and incomparable that Hagoromo fashioned the world to a certain degree with that DNA Sword. Yet a mere Senjutsu-enhanced Susanoo-clad Kurama Mode chakra chakra sword was able to break that "incomparable" DNA Sword of legends. The look in Juubito's eyes when that happened is really precious.

So if Black Zetsu can exaggerate Itachi's powers, and Obito can overestimate his OP Six Paths power, and if Kishi's manga and databook statements have been retconned with the passage of time, then why should any of us in the fandom take the claims about the Yata Mirror seriously? Face it, the Yata Mirror's only feats are blocking paper bombs, Sasuke's sword, and a mere half-a-dozen Orochi snakes. Miserable feats, if you ask me.

So why should we believe in the featless hype of the Yata Mirror. The TSBs have feats. Madara and Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo have awesome feats. Hashirama's Wood Release has MONSTER feats. Narujesus's Six Paths Sage Mode also has great feats. The Yata Mirror doesn't have any memorable feats. Neither does Hiruzen Sarutobi.

Which is why the rest of the fandom avoids talking about the Yata Mirror and Hiruzen as much as we can. But usually there's always someone who inevitably ends up shouting "DATABOOKS, bitches!!", while the rest of us hang our heads in despair because the databook claims lack manga feats. Sigh..... So am I supposed to feel bad about saying the yata mirror can block tsbs when it was stated that the shield can adapt its attributes to each attack that hits it ? I think I came to that conclusion through reasonable means. The yata mirror is said to have all nature transformations, and so do truth seeking balls. So if they connect, the yata mirror would adapt its properties to the truth seeking ball, that's it. The truth seeking balls negate all ninjutsu, but did you forget that we know little about the origin of the yata mirror? How would you know that the shield itself which is said to be a supernatural spirit weapon would fall under " ninjutsu". The totusuka blade seemingly couldn't be absorbed by nagato, so that leads me to believe those weapons arent ninjutsu. And no I was offended that other s can bring claims about me being a wanker with absolutely 0 evidence and have already been shown altering facts, but I dont care Gmanis at least came full circle and brought legit evidence,  so I don't care what the others think.my evidence is 393 page 9 and databook 3 275,  that in theory anyways, yata mirror can deflect truth seeking balls because it would match the attributes of the yata mirror. So dont act like that isnt some proof. The question is whether those statements have been retconned, which leads me into the next point.

Ok, after obito gave misinformation about izanagi combined with the fact his entire existence was a lie and orchestrated by black zetsu and madara, I don't consider him a credible source on anything to do with sage of six paths without a third party confirming what he says. His dna sword and shield were couutered by a kyuubi enhanced susanoo, but he was the antagonist,  and we all knew he wasn't going to do much as the jinhcurki. So him hyping his weapons is not comparable, because like I said it depends on who is contributing the feat. Did you really believe gaara and his siblings in part one when they said his sand defense made him untouchable? You probably did until rock lee retconned that statement with a passion. Madara saying he smashes all things in the universe was a dam lie because he failed to beat hashirama twice, so he doesn't have credibility on that.

You are basically comparing apples and oranges. The prime hiruzen retcon was explained. It was because no one believed that hashirama could be as strong as he was claimed to be evetyone and considered him a fairytale. Even his own granddaughter didnt believe he could have defeated madara. Kabuto himself retconned his part one statement during the war arc. Then it was made clear when the 4 kages were revived that hiruzen was inferior to hashi. So everything you have cited as examples were very clearly retconned by the writer as the story progressed.

On the other hand, when has it ever been implied that the abilities of the yata mirror were retconned in any shape or form? One of the only good arguments is that the yata mirror lacks feats. Maybe if hebi sasuke was just a bit more powerful, we could have seen more feats. But itachi was killed off early for sasuke' s portion of the plot. Then the biggest let down was the yata mirror not being used at all during itachi's tenure as an edo. Thats just poor writing on kishimoto's part. But even so, black zetsu,  who has seen ALL of shinobi history,  has seen kaguya, hagoromoromo, madara and hashirama, ashura and indira, and counttess other op ninjas still said itachi was invincible with the totsuka blade and yata mirror. Black zetsu is an information type and he has a large underground information network. He is literally the most credible person we can have on information like that. So what evidence do you have that he exaggerated? Especially when the WRITER supported his statement in the databook? And please dont recite that rubbish argument that he isn't credible because he thought naruto couldn't best kaguya,  thats just a cliche antagonist line.

So all you really have is the featlessness of the yata mirror. But even if you want to argue that, how would you know what the yata mirror even caps at? All of that is just as speculative. So like I said, I can agree that the yata mirror has a high level of uncertainty,  so I can agree that its not something everyone can be tangible on. But other people disregarding its existence completely using bias is a much more flaw ed argument. So I amend my argument to say that theoretically it can deflect all attacks as long as itachi can maintain susanoo, which is difficult in the long run due to his stamina.

@Gmanis, fair enough.