Talk:Sasuke Uchiha

Sasuke cannot sense Natural Energy
Seelentau, I think you're making a mistake. We know it wasn't Sasuke exclaiming that thought, but Naruto due to one simple fact: without training you can't see or sense natural energy. All the '!?' from Sasuke was seeing Naruto's avatar change. We know its Naruto thinking that since he goes "Here it comes!" the previous panel.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 01:04, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * To explain my revert: The panel before shows Naruto inside his avater, receiving the energy. He says It arrived!. The next panel shows Sasuke's view, his reaction !? and then he thinks I can feel it......! that much natural energy has suddenly...!? and in the lower right panel, he then says ......... So you're finally serious about killing me. It wouldn't make any sense for Naruto to think that he can "feel" the natural energy or be surprised about the amount, since Kurama states how much it is before he sends it. Also, Sasuke's words about Naruto being serious as well as his view on Naruto during that panel wouldn't make any sense either. Furthermore, large amounts of chakra can be sensed by non-sensors, so why not all the natural energy of the world as well? • Seelentau 愛 議 01:12, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * I think even Naruto was surprised on how much Kurama was able to accumulate. Even Kurama exclaimed he may have gotten too much before sending it to Naruto. Natural Energy cannot be sensed by anyone who hasn't had the explicit training to do so. Fukasaku explained that very clearly. Its an otherwise invisible energy to everyone else. When Sasuke remarked 'So it looks like you're finally ready to kill me', it was after Naruto's Kurama avatar changed into the six-armed form. --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 01:18, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Kurama didn't say that, it just said that it took a while because it's all the natural energy above the world. Plus, in the panel before, the natural energy had already arrived so if it was Naruto who was surprised by the amount, he would've said it in that panel. But he just said "It arrived!". And again, switching to Sasuke's view, his reaction ("!?") and his sentence in the lower right panel wouldn't make any sense if it wasn't him who sensed the natural energy. • Seelentau 愛 議 01:22, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * He kind of did. Kurama remarked: "I might have amassed a little too much, in fact." And in the viz volume, when the 'Got it' is used, its Kurama saying it due to the font difference. Naruto then asks how was he able to get so much natural energy so quickly, and Sasuke then goes "Finally resolved to kill me, eh?' after seeing the new appearance. Its Naruto's thoughts, not Sasuke's there. And it'd make sense since Naruto's the only one whose had the training for Natural Energy sensing.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 01:26, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Curse Mark uses/is Senjutsu/Natural energy and is Sage Transformation and Sasuke was said to have mastered it. Therefor I think him sensing Natural Energy is entirely possible. QuakingStar (talk) 01:30, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Uh no. He didn't even know what Senjutsu even was until the Kabuto battle, nor what natural energy was until fighting Obito. And he lost the Cursed Seal, depriving any and all chance of 'sensing' natural energy he would have had. Not even Juugo can sense natural energy, yet Sasuke can just because he could react and use CS2? Sasuke can't sense natural energy, he doesn't have the training for it. Only Sages like Naruto, Kabuto, Jiraiya, Gamakichi, Hashirama, Fukasaku, and Shima can.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 01:34, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. I never paid much attention to the font, but you're right. It's Kurama who says that it arrived. But it still doesn't make sense how the scene switches to Sasuke's view, shows his reaction, then in the same panel shows Naruto's thoughts and then in the next panel Sasuke says how Naruto is ready to kill him. To me, it would make more sense if that was all Sasuke: He reacts with a !?, then thinks to himself Holy shit, so much natural energy and comes to the conclusion He's serious now. I mean, we can keep it out and wait for the anime to catch up, but I'm pretty sure it's Sasuke's thought, not Naruto's. After all, Naruto doesn't need to feel the energy when it's inside him anyways. • Seelentau 愛 議 01:35, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * The only reason why Naruto would say that is because he wasn't expecting Kurama to amass that much, hence the top panel saying 'I may have gotten too much'. Naruto is the only one with the training for it. Sasuke had no concept, at all of Senjutsu until the Kabuto fight, nor did he even know about natural energy until Obito.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 01:38, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Still, this line will have more sence if it belongs to Sasuke. And even if it doesn't, the line "So, you're finally ready to kill me" obviosly belongs to him, and since he said this before Six Paths: Rasenshuriken formation, it stands to reason that Sasuke actually felt the energy coming into Naruto beforehand. He sensed something really big already before Naruto prepared his strongest jutsu, that's a fact. Also, Sasuke's reaction (!?) implies that he felt this incoming energy, hence his surprise because of the amount. I don't know how, I don't know why, but he felt it. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 07:51, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Sasuke has eyes. He was looking right at Naruto. He saw the Avatar of Kurama fully change into the six armed asura form. He can't sense Natural Energy, Ravenlot 27. Only sage's can, and Sasuke doesn't have the training to be a Sage. It was Naruto who remarked on how much natural energy Kurama had amassed calling back to 'I may have gotten a little bit too much'.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 07:58, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * ...and it was Sasuke who commented Naruto's depleted chakra reserves before (that he hadn't enough of it to create a single TBB). If Naruto stayed low on chakra, new avatar wouldn't have changed anything at all and Sasuke didn't have to be afraid of it. In fact, he would've just mocked Naruto's weakness again. Again, he still noticed that Naruto got serious. The reason? He really felt something incoming. And this "something" couln't be anything except for nature energy. But don't overdo this, I'm patient. I'll just wait for anime to prove this once and for all. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 08:14, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

By the way, the argument that only sages can sense natural energy is kinda weak when you consider Madara absorbing Hashirama's senjutsu chakra without turning into stone, something which should've been impossible according to Fukasaku as well. I wouldn't rely too much on old facts, Kishimoto was never one to do that, either. • Seelentau 愛 議 10:18, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Sasuke has sensed Naruto's chakra multiple times throughout Part II despite it apparently being implied that only sensors can sense chakra, and Sasuke's stated not to be a sensor. And yeah, based on what we've seen with Kishi ignoring old facts all the time, it isn't too far-fetched that it was indeed Sasuke being able to sense natural energy due to Naruto amassing large amounts of it. It isn't impossible. But again, waiting for the anime isn't a bad option either. 13:23, May 16, 2016 (UTC)

Yang Release
I thought Sasuke was given the Yin Release only.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 13:53, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Then by that logic, Naruto was given Yang Release only, which we know isn't true.
 * EDIT: Not to mention, all genjutsu is Yin Release, so Sasuke had Yin Release long before he met Hagoromo. 14:10, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Naruto never used genjutsu. Also, he had the other tailed beasts in him to access the TSB.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 15:30, May 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * The only ones who can truly use Yin-Yang Release are those who either have received Hagoromo's power (fourth databook) or have the TSB. So I think you should figure out why Sasuke has Yang Release. 15:34, May 16, 2016 (UTC)