Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-24037840-20151128103915/@comment-25122992-20151128170509

Well, I think all Jiraya has to gain the upper hand is just Ma/Pa sound genjutsu. But at first he needs to activate SM, which is not that simple during the battle, especially against such a powerfull opponent. And if he'd manage to do so, all his/Ma/Pa ninjutsu arsenal is still useless, it's not even worthy to perform. If Nagato would be catched off guard with this genjutsu, I don't know the way he get the odds on his side again. But this type of genjutsu is also hard to perform, and some time is needed for the proper activation, if Jiraya and co fail, they'd be finished. So this moment is probably the key moment of the battle, it's risky for both sides. Also Frog Kata probably can prove itself effective, although Nagato can use all his paths simultaneously, thus I'm not sure if it's going to work. As I already said, all other techiniques are mostly ninjutsu, and they aren't going to work.

@ Thekillman, you must know who we usually call "Prime" Nagato: with the full health and legs restored, the way we've seen him in ET form after B's Version 2 absorption. I don't think his power had ever been greater than then. His yound pre-crippled version's mastery of Rinnegan wasn't perfect, then his crippled legs and exhausted body were his limitations, which remained in his ET form until he got B's chakra absorbed. Of course, ET reduces shinobi's strength in comparision to themselves alive, but Oro/Kabuto's use allowed them to bring reanimations pretty close to their full power, so it's still obviously the strongest Nagato version we know, that's why we call it "Prime" Nagato. However, I agree that analitical mind is neither Naruto's nor B's characteristic, so their clash with Nagato before Itachi's intervention can't be used to compare their actual power levels. Albeit he can't deny Nagato is still op.