Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170909171417/@comment-33308438-20171011093744

LegionZero wrote: You are literally making things up now. Hirizen never dodged any kind speed blitz from Jubito

You are claiming Hiruzens footspeed even though they were never compared in running speed, in statements or on panel. You doing the same with Orochimaru.

Enma is only hard as a staff.

Sasuke was confident in his ability to get the bell from Kakashi. I guess genin Sasuke is on Kakashi's level too.

Your headcanon and outright falacious claims are no good here dude.

The fourth databook says "Hiruzen surpassed the 2nd hokage in overall talent from childhood, and also mastered 5 nature transformations , genjutsu and also hidden jutsu and also says he's skilled at taijutsu and using the enma staff"

So there you go, hiruzen can weave an extremely powerful genjutsu on the level of kurenai and itachi.

The viz translation says "enma is an indestructible staff", orochimaru could only damage it bcuz of his sacred weapon , kusanagi.

Enma pushed kyuubi from the village, over a very long distance. So if minato gets hits he'll fly off over a great distance and by that time, hiruzen would use the kage mane to catch him in air or use a powerful genjutsu to trap minato , and finish him off before he breaks out of it.

Kakashi was confident he could beat minato with chidori, not taking the bells , it was stated. I believe that part was canon? Kakashi was extremely talented enough to face jounin level ninjas along with being an elite member of Anbu at a very young age, you cannot compare him to Sasuke.

Hashirama and tobirama got blitzed by juubito, only hiruzen was capable of evading the blitz, and that's when tobirama decided to use the exploding tag technique and told minato and hiruzen to get out of the way , then minato used hiraishin to teleport together with gamabunta and two others while hiruzen ran and reached the destination at the same time , you could see that in that same panel. And foot speed comparison panels of hiruzen do exist, he was faster than EMS Sasuke in footspeed, who you know is crazily fast.