Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180719181710/@comment-34194151-20180901052423

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The issue is that time/age in of itself =/= experience. Combat Experience is the actual skills/mastery/knowledge gained by exposure to combat over time. Natural/physical Talent and intelligence increase the rate at which you grow and how well you can apply what you learn in battle to counter opponents effectively. You and I could spend 5 years training in martial arts, but you would have a better quality of experience if you are more talented than I am even though we spent the same time fighting. If the skill gap is great enough, you could even surpass me even if I had an extra year of training on you, possibly more. But at a certain point, if i have enough years of experience on you, then your talent won't be enough to close the gap. It becomes a battle of quantity vs quality. Experience a complicated intangible because of that. But even this is general. The type of experience gained mattered too. Kakashi was more experienced than itachi but he fell for tsyukyomi because he lacked knowledge on how haxed the MS is and thought it was safe to look in his eyes. Why? because itachi was the first MS user he actually fought in battle.

Naruto defeated kakazu not because of plot, but as I said, his tactics were at a higher quality. Kakazu never faced a multi-shadow clone user as skilled as naruto before, why? Because they don't exist. Naruto is the only one argubaly since hashirama who can use clones like that. So kakazu's experience wasn't that useful and backfired. Because kakauzus experience didn't give him the right tactics to use, he had to analyze in the moment and come up with a plan, and naruto simply outsmarted him. And as I said before, kakazu was holding back from using big jutsu because he has to capture him alive. In this battle, madara is fighting to kill, not capture.

My point being, you can't just use the kakazu example out of context, because naruto exploited the only hole in kakazu's experience to win. Naruto outsmarts 99 percent of his opponents with clone feints, that's his thing, he is clever in how he uses his clones. But that doesn't work on Madara, because he somehow can tell the clones from the original with his eyes. And no, we learned from the backstories that hashirama used wood clones (which are pretty much just as good as shadow clones) regularly when he fought madara, and madara would see through the ruse because of his skill and visual prowess. Madara pushed hashirama in high difficulty battles, and one of hashirama's strategies was to simply outlast madara long enough to the point where he couldn't maintain his visual prowess, and that's when he started using clone feints again and eventually outsmarted and killed him. But I doubt this battle would be decided by a battle of stamina, as madara has the full juubi plus healing.

Kakazu may have grown up during the warring states period but there isn't any proof that he was actually fighting during that time. even if he was, his quality of experience wouldn't be the same as madara, because madara was already hailed as a combat genius. Mind you, keep in mind that madara as a kid was killing experienced adult senjus. This is where quality vs quantity comes in. those senjus despite their quantity experience advtange probably lost to madara due to a combination of underestimation + madara's insane talent. After only a handful of battles, madara learned so much about the art of war and honed his skill to the point that he could actually kill hardened adults in the most brutal era, before madara even developed any of his own hax ninjutsu. Kakazu has no feat comparable to that in his backstory.

So when it comes to naruto and sasuke, madara not only has more combat experience, but he has a high quality of combat experience too. However, naruto and sasuke also have the stats and skills to take on gods, so they have a high quality of experience, especially as a tag-team. So it's naruto and sasuke's combined skills and quality of experience vs madara's own quality and quantity. Madara shouldn't be caught off guard by anything they can do, so naruto and sasuke would have a hard time overcoming his experience advantage because madara would see through most of their generic tactics.. Their best hope is to outmanuever him using their hax and apparent physical stat advantage, which they can definitely pull off through sasuke's teleportation. So they probably win, but it's just a lot closer than some seem to think