Talk:Momoshiki Ōtsutsuki

Rinnegan colour
Could someone explain to me why we list his palm Rinnegan as red? The only official colourisation by Kishimoto is the one on the lead movie poster (http://i.imgur.com/Rc5L9Xc.jpg), and there, the Rinnegan are purple. The red Rinnegan comes from the anime, as far as I'm aware. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:20, November 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, Momoshiki's Rinnegan didn't have a chance to appear in anime yet. It was depicted as red in Boruto Movie all the time (at least, until Momoshiki absorbed Kinshiki), and since Kishi was directly involved in its production, I think it's a vaid reason to list his Rinnegan (shown that way in the movie up to Momoshiki's transformation) as red against a single purple depiction (which can be simply an error or a sign of the movie being still in developement).


 * Edit: Okay, two purple depictions. But Boruto manga has a plenty of cosmetic changes actually. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 20:39, November 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * The movie is anime. Kishimoto was directly involved in the movie, yes. And he decided to paint it purple. I have no clue why the movie shows it as red, but usually, the official manga colours take precedence before the anime colours. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:47, November 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems that I missed something on the wiki, namely that now movie = anime. It didn't go that way, especially since it's Boruto Movie which is one of two movies (along with The Last) treated as a part of the official (manga) storyline. Not anime, but manga storyline. Also, as far as I know, it's a movie poster, not a manga page.
 * The only reason why Momoshiki's Rinnegan should be listed purple instead of red is the latest Boruto volume cover, because in our canon policy it's written that the Boruto manga and its changes are superior to the movie since it's a more recent material. However, this is the only valid reason I can see now Ravenlot 27 (talk) 20:54, November 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * You didn't miss anything. It doesn't matter that the movies are part of the canon storyline, they are still anime and thus full of mistakes (Sasuke deactivating his Rinnegan, for example). And the picture is the cover for the official movie book, drawn by Kishimoto. As far as I know, Kishimoto's illustrations overrule anime depictions. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:06, November 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Even if it's technically a manga depiction, it doesn't change the fact that manga has its mistakes as well. While Sasuke's Rinnegan deactivation might be a mistake, the same chance of an error goes for Momoshiki's purple Rinnegan, since in both cases we can't know for sure if it's a mistake or not. And no, not all of Kishi's depictions are superior to the anime versions, I think that's the reason why we don't list regular Rasengan as yellow, for example. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 21:15, November 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know... there's this cover and this . I don't remember what's written in the novel...--Sharingan91 (talk) 21:29, November 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * How can the original design be an error, when there was no updated design by the same creator? And we don't list the regular Rasengan as yellow because, as opposed to the Rinnegan, Kishimoto has drawn it in at least two colours. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:32, November 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Either way, it's almost the single case of Rinnegan depicted as purple (+ one more from the recent Boruto volume). The movie was still in production when it got released, a lot of updates happened after this. But if you're so sure that the note about purple colour is necessary, it's enough to add it in description of Momoshiki's Rinnegan (with the appropriate references) without deleting the statement about red Rinnegan. Since these are the only cases where Momoshiki's Rinnegan was shown as purple, while all the other show it as red, would be pretty strange to list the purple as the only colour (especially in the same acticles where images from the Boruto Movie clearly depict it as red). Ravenlot 27 (talk) 21:44, November 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Never said anything about deleting it. And the movie book was released alongside the movie, not before. We have two manga depictions as purple and one anime depiction as red. So I'd change it to purple (red in the movie) or so, later. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:52, November 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * So, manga suggests Byakugan= white, Sharingan=red, Rinnegan=purple --Sharingan91 (talk) 21:58, November 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * But the Rinnegan is red on Boruto chapter cover, isn't it? Maybe it changes color or whatever--Elve Talk Page 22:26, November 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * As always, I brought this up because I talked about it somewhere else. In this case, someone claims that the volume cover isn't valid because Momoshiki isn't depicted correctly overall (grey skin etc.), so the purple Rinnegan isn't valid either, and that on the movie book cover, the Rinnegan is red with a purple saturation (or so, I have no clue about that). To me, it still looks purple, so what should we do? • Seelentau 愛 議 10:55, November 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * Does this help at all? Considering Momoshiki's rinnegan colour can be effected by eating chakra pills/fruit, i don't think we can say he has only 1 canon colour. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 13:13, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

I think Rinnegan is weaker when it is red and stronger when it is purple.. point being that when he absorbed Kinshiki(who I believe has a Rinnegan on his forehead behind his horn, as Sasuke warned that Momoshiki AND Kinshiki could also absorb jutsu, and it seems that Kinshiki's chakra weapons ability is his user specific Rinnegan tech) both of Momoshiki's hand Rinnegan stayed purple. and he gained a a purple one on his forehead. QuakingStar (talk) 13:51, November 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * @Seel, Momoshiki's Rinnegan are drawn red on Boruto chapter 5 cover, purple on volume 2 cover, both drawn by the same person I suppose? So it has been drawn both red and purple by the new staff.--Elve Talk Page 13:54, November 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, but on volume 2, Momoshiki is coloured grey, which is obviously not his real colourisation, so it's likely that the Rinnegan isn't really purple, either. I think it's called artistic license? Dunno. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:17, November 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I really cannot believe I looked at the volume cover and didn't even notice the color change... 19:25, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

Wood(?) Dragon Jutsu
His weird wood dragon thing he does is called, which has ties to the story of Momotaro (the source of Momoshiki's name). There, Momotaro befriends a dog, a monkey and a pheasant and together, they beat some ogre. This is based on another folktale of the prince Kibitsuhiko, which you can read here. The name of the jutsu comes from this folktale. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:26, December 22, 2016 (UTC)

Rasengan colour
So, the Storm 4 Road to Boruto calls it the "Crimson Rasen". Not sure what you all can do with that, but figure it's worth noting.--—Mina Țepeș 02:49, February 4, 2017 (UTC)

red Rinnegan mystery solved?
It simply occurred to me. We have seen official artwork and media depicting Momoshiki's Rinnegan as both purple and red. We just assumed that he has a special red Rinnegan, but what if his Rinnegan being red is simply an effect of his Takamimusubinokami technique? In other words, when his absorption/ejection is active, the Rinnegan turns red, while he is not using the technique, the Rinnegan looks like any other, makes sense, doesn't it?--Elve Talk Page 18:29, June 14, 2018 (UTC)

Alive?
Nothing actually indicated that he's death, he may have been severly weakened and the fact that he plans to turn Boruto into his vessel make his death highly doubtful What do you think?? Abdou250 - Talk 01:26, September 21, 2019 (UTC)

Shinra Tensei?
https://youtu.be/RzClCJFpSoM?t=97

especially since his Rinnegan turns red before he does it.--RexGodwin (talk) 14:23, October 27, 2019 (UTC)

Bump.--RexGodwin (talk) 23:07, October 29, 2019 (UTC)
 * And when he does it, they're yellow. Like, the very next scene lol. I don't think the movie makers knew what they were doing, we shouldn't interpret too much in it. • Seelentau 愛 議 23:14, October 29, 2019 (UTC)

True. But I mean is it really a stretch to think he can? He does have Rinnegan after all. 3 to be exact lol. Plus I mean it looks pretty cut and dry ST to me 🤷‍♂️--RexGodwin (talk) 23:50, October 29, 2019 (UTC)

momoshiki’s lava and ice release?
With the whole pheasant hunter thing, since we’ve seen it’s been made from fire and lava, why don’t we add lava to his arsenal? Also, do we not give momoshiki ice release simple because we believe snow isn’t ice release? Kingomanoki (talk) 13:20, November 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Go through the couple topics about it in the first talk page archive. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:34, November 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Alright so I looked through the topics and it doesn’t appear anywhere that people brought up pheasant hunter being made from lava underneath the ground. And it also is unclear why ice release was removed when I look at past discussions, all I’ve seen were members like Sarutobii saying that snow was not ice release in their opinion. Kingomanoki (talk) 21:50, November 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * When does he use snow? ~SnapperTo 23:46, November 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * In the boruto movie novel, he makes an absolute zero degree blizzard. Also is the new description for pheasant hunter given somewhere like a scan or something? The bird doesn't look like molten rock at all, at least to me. Kingomanoki (talk) 00:24, November 21, 2019 (UTC)
 * Oops I was looking at the part where momoshiki first used pheasant hunter during the chunin exams, which also answers your question, pheasant hunter exploded when used against naruto during the chunin exams. Shouldn't pheasant hunter be labeled fire and lava? Kingomanoki (talk) 00:39, November 21, 2019 (UTC)
 * re: ice I figured that was the scene you meant. And you're reading that line in isolation, not in context. The full section is:
 * He amplified the jutsu he sucked up, using the extra chakra he gained from eating the cinnabar panacea leftover from Kinshiki.
 * "Here, receive it!" Momoshiki roared. "A token of my gratitude!"
 * Jutsu rained on them as if the world was ending.
 * Crimson flames, lightning that split heaven and earth, absolute zero degree blizzard, a downpour of meteorites.
 * Momoshiki is very clearly using powered up versions of standard nature transformations. It's not simply fire release; it's crimson flame. It's not simply lightning release; it's lightning that can split heaven and earth. The blizzard part I take to be a powered up wind release, maybe that has some water release mixed in. But that is not ice release. Anyone can use wind and water individually, potentially creating ice; Sasuke does this in Sasuke Shinden: The Teacher's Star Pupil. To be ice release, the two natures need to be combined on a chakra level.
 * re: pheasant I don't watch the anime so I can't speak to what happens in whichever episode that is. In the movie, it's unclear where the bird is coming from or made of. But I'm going to assume it's not lava release; it is, at best, hot dirt. ~SnapperTo 00:56, November 21, 2019 (UTC)
 * This is just wow. I’m speechless Kingomanoki (talk) 02:13, November 21, 2019 (UTC)

Time related abilities?
should Momoshiki's time related abilities be given their own page(s)? Momoshiki has demonstrated the ability to see into the future through his Byakugan and Boruto himself has also accidentally used this ability and it is obviously more than just a casual thing that byakugan can just do. He also has the capability to stop time completely(though only seen while he is dead) that Sasuke has been able to detect and see through implying it is more than just a mental connection and time itself is actually stopping with few individuals who can detect it. zacharyman1mil - Talk 12:54, 7 february 2023 (UTC)


 * Ever since the Chunin Exams it's been stated that the Byakugan can see a person's fate, though it was always treated as more of a parlor trick. Both Isshiki and Momoshiki however demonstrate the ability to see a person's fate. Isshiki with Koji, saying his fate is written in his genes, and Momoshiki with Boruto several times. The time stopping phenomena when he communicates with Boruto, it's not clear if that's a matter of perception or if he's actually stopping for everyone but the two of them. FF-Suzaku (talk) 04:17, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Sasuke has perceived or detected the time stopping twice(once while not even within the vicinity of boruto) so it is clear that it is indeed a complete halting of the flow of time(one instance showed eida and daemon paused as well showcasing its world-wide effect) that anybody that some are able to detect or see through(like sasuke and maybe kawaki) how it works though is unknown as we have only seen this phenomenon while momoshiki is a spirit. the ability to see the future on the other hand seems to be an activatable technique with two known usages(once during the battle against momoshiki and the second when boruto activates it himself) being done through byakugan usage. zacharyman1mil - Talk 5:09, 8 february 2023 (UTC)
 * Kaguya's Byakugan was able to correctly determine that Indra would be susceptible to the Curse of Hatred despite the fact that Indra was not even born yet. It is not that it cannot see fate, it is that fate is fluid, as Naruto told Neji and what have ye.

"The scenario to resurrect Kaguya: it was bequeathed to Black Zetsu on the verge of when she was being sealed. The method was described according to him. Kaguya was correct in her prediction in her grandchild about Indra's negative sentiments, and used that to her advantage. She cleverly made use of those descendants, the Uchiha Clan, who had an inferiority complex and a desire for revenge."

- Jin no Sho

Arcadia warlic (talk) 08:24, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Momoshiki's warning
As of the latest chapter, should we reedit Versus Momoshiki Arc to the senrigan not Boruto's blue eyes? Kunoichi101 (talk) 19:01, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Not at all. Even if Boruto's losing everything is due to Ada's Omnipotence, that itself isn't even a Senrigan ability. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:57, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Transformation name...
I'm not sure that this really qualifies as a proper name, but his Awakening has been overhauled for Storm Connections to match the manga/anime version. The Japanese description calls his Awakening "Demonization" or "Demon Transformation" (鬼化, onika). The official English translation just says, "Transform via Awakening," but the Japanese would more accurately be, "Demonize via Awakening." FF-Suzaku (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2023 (UTC)