Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36632842-20180818184904/@comment-31099706-20180915092105

@Comabt. Sasuke admitted to believing Haku self consciously avoided shooting at his critical points. But as I've showed you, Haku mentioned how he was aiming for his critical points, but were being missed. Who would be more right about Haku, in your opinion? The guy himself, or the boy who was fighting him? And you will get a good focus of Haku himself admitting that he is losing, and that he'll eventually lose out of stamina unless he uses some bait... Which he did. Was it not that clear to you?

Um, wow, you use feats by different characters for feats for Kiba... Great. Anyways, if what you mention about one of the toad Sages using a jutsu to cover the area or Naruto using Rasengan to blow smoke through the whole area, then I'll like to inform you that they are not smoke bombs. And we know Kiba's usages of smoke bombs, it's that wide nor that thick. And no, Pein, doesn't move as much as other characters, his paths allow him to take on any attack without moving much, that was the confidence that lead to him being tricked by Naruto. Others, move, since they have their actual living body on the line, take Sakon getting out of Kiba's smoke for example. Use Kiba's feats for debates over Kiba, please.

So, let me get this, you're imagining a situation where Kiba throws smoke bombs and Sasuke's just standing still and admiring the smoke around him? Even Kiba isn't that dumb to know that won't work. Smoke bimbs are most effective at closed places or places with alot of hiding spots, like rocks, trees, so to set trap and hide while the smoke is hiding their location. It's not just gonna work here. A Ninja with half a brain would escape for it.

Sasuke will instantly react to the smoke and either set up his own traps, just like Naruto did, or clear of from the smoke and start preparing for long range attacks.

Getting damaged will leave one injured, getting injured will leave one to have hindrance in moving their body, and that too being both beaten up and exhausted and hungry at the same time. Kabuto remarked how Naruto could still fight, even after all that happened, he wasn't saying that he's perfectly fine, but that he's still standing after all that. And Naruto as we know, is a guy with alot of willpower, he literally fell down the moment Kiba kicked him, he got up, exhausted and beatened up, with his will power. Kiba would have been beatened up reckless if he was facing a full recovered Naruto.

No, it's pretty clear that Team 7 were the ones that got the roughest experience in the Forest of Death. Getting attacked by other shinobi, then being attacked by a sannin and snakes, and then by the sannin's guys, and then surviving among the forest for several days, without proper recovery. We saw Kiba's team getting their scrolls fast and hiding over serious situations. So, no, they weren't at all equal to what the Team Seven and Team 10 experienced.

Kiba's faster than Gaara's sand?! My my, you're not at all assuming things and stating your own headcanon, not a bit all.... You do realize what you are stating right? Kiba, who's Fang over Fang Sakon dodged with ease, and who's teenage self missed Obito by a step, yes Obito literally dodged Kiba with one step. And may if I'm countering your so supposed headcanon, Sasuke is faster than Gaara's sand and he has the Sharingan with that.

So, no. Sasuke beats Kiba, even if we give him out of nowhere special speed boosts. QuakeBlood wrote: BlazeRelease wrote: Maybe someone should make a debate about Sasuke vs Each of the Sound Four. Orochimaru and Kabuto statetd that Sasuke is a no match for the Sound 4 members.

Later, Sakon stated that Sasuke would reach sound 4 level if he mastered CM2, meaning he wasn't yet at their level. Yes, I know what they said, but if you observe closely, it's 'them' not 'each', as in Kabuto assumes that Sasuke isn't a match for the whole team, especially in his hospital condition. This isn't the first time anyone assumes that he or she won't win, and Kabuto basically doesn't like Sasuke and prefers the sound Four better than him. Sasuke on the other hand, if you saw, fought with nothing, no ninjutsu, no sharingan, no shuriken, he wasn't even going in his full speed, and he was hospitalized.

He's obviously mentioning about gaining the Curse Mark Stage Two power, which all four of them posses. And in terms of pure power, yes Sakon is more powerful with his CM Stage 2 than a normal Genin. But power isn't the only thing that determines the battle, Sasuke's faster, he has impressive taijutsu skills and his collection of jutsu and tricks will help him against each of the Sound Four alone.

So, basically from what I see, some are using feats of other characters for the benefit of their own opinion, even though it doesn't connect, and also adds on to using ABC logic, basically since Kiba 'survived' against Sakon who was both underestimating Kiba and along the way was still fresh from fighting Jonins with CM(which we know, takes alot of chakra), and a hospitalized Sasuke got overpowered up by a whole team of CM users, without him using Ninjutsu or any other jutsu, seems to be a some sort of feat for Kiba to beat Sasuke.

It's clear as as it is, Sasuke wins this.