Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31171723-20170129212432/@comment-25122992-20170201104342

Gmanis41 wrote: The problem with all of the arguments that say Toneri can easily one shot Naruto is, why didn't he when they were fighting in their chakra modes. It wouldn't make sense for Kishimoto to create a villain for Naruto to defeat on his own in a one on one battle if the villain was so vastly superior to the protagonist. And Hinata never gave Naruto any chakra as far as I remember, if someone can cite the scene I will review that and concede this point if it is true. But in their one on one fight Toneri could have killed Naruto at any time according to the really awful logic here. And I am talking on the surface of the moon. Not the first two when Naruto wasn't even going all out. And according to this post it is current 7th Hokage Naruto who is leagues stronger than he was at the age of 19. Despite being rusty which is completely gone after fighting Momoshiki and Shin Uchiha, Naruto is way wiser, stronger, and overall just more mature. What makes you think Toneri, who wasn't even an experienced shinobi could really defeat a Naruto, and we are going on the premise of a death match. In a death battle situation both sides go all out, Naruto would completely be devastating in that regard, even without his knowledge of Madara and Toneri. While I do think Madara would win just because he would outlast Naruto and frankly I constantly see that juubi jinchurriki can die but I have never seen proof of that without the tailed beast being extracted first, and Madara said he was immortal, leading Sasuke and Naruto to try to seal him. And there is no attack except maybe the giant truth seeking ball that could kill Juubi Madara, even so it's arguable that Juubi Madara and SPSM Naruto should be able to survive the Giant Truth Seeker Orb since they should be immune to the effects of that ability. I already commented the case in the post above. Toneri just wanted to show off before Hinata and take Naruto down hand-to-hand, plus plot reason (final fight/opportunity to reveal Tenseigan's combat abilities). And no, Hinata gave him her chakra when Toneri sucked in his BSM. But okay, lets say that Naruto can avoid Toneri's chakra absorption here. Then it'd be the rest of the Kage falling under the effects of this technique, which would lead to them being incapacitated or even dead in the very beginning of the fight. Thus, Naruto has to deal with Toneri and Madara simultaneously, which isn't even serious, of course, he would utterly loose, even if Toneri doesn't try to absorb his chakra again.