Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20171113213649/@comment-734582-20171119141937

Ninjachris wrote: I am getting the feeling like I have thoroughly dealt with this erroneous misrepresentation of manga facts before. As far as i remember, you never answered my question there. If Kurama is what reduces his chakra control, how can restoring Kurama's influence improved Naruto's chakra control? If Kurama is what reduces his chakra control, how come the 5 element seal worsened his control, since it prevented Kurama's chakra from mixing?

On the other hand, Naruto demonstrated clear and massively improved control after the 5 element seal was broken. So Kakashi was wrong.

Ninjachris wrote: Naruto was NEVER talentless or dumb Even during the 4th war, Naruto could come up with a complicated plan yet he couldn't articulate why it worked. He is not good at abstract thought or complex theory. He's a thoroughly intuitive thinker.

Secondly, whether he's talentless depends on how far you're willing to stretch the definition of talent. He didn't really improve until Jiraiya taught him to play to his strengths. He didn't really display a talent for learning in any way. I've said this before, but someone like Kakashi could only train Chidori a few times per day due to reserves. Naruto trained Rasengan for most of the day, repeatedly, for days on end. Any other child would've died of chakra exhaustion. He has a knack for mischief, but he had years of practice. And while he defeated enemies through unconventional tactics, he could only pull them off due to his unusual situation. A normal ninja couldn't do half the stuff he pulled, which is why his normal enemies never expected it.