Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180727165341/@comment-6769189-20180806052440

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

My same statement about the writer can be applied here and did you check the manga chapter i provided or not? i saw no feedback on it here, that was where naruto was actually blitzing!. And you said naruto needed help, and also you're hinting that Naruto is at top speed in that battle (watch anime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) The anime version takes liberties. The truest representation is the manga.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

585 is Sasuke vs Itachi. Also White Zetzu are fodder. Hardly a good competitor for KCM Naruto
 * 1) A..585 Page 16 [Against the transformed white zetsu's] Naruto suddenly appeared with two rasengan and slammed them down.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Because Obito is fast enough that he can react and move at the same levels speed. Bullet time. Otherwise we would never the fight. It would be a drawing of a battlefield with speed lines all over and no characters.
 * 1) B..505 Page 11-12 [Against Kisame] the panels on page 11 shows naruto standing next to killer bee and yamato, the panel on page 12 shows naruto blitzing kisame....he most certainly didn't do anything like that vs Obito.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Obito was shocked that Naruto had the strength to deflect all the TBB
 * 1) C..571 Page 2-3 [Against Bijju bombs] Moved so fast he seemed like a flash, Gai commented on his speed, Kakashi questioned if it was Naruto, Obito was shocked.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Because Obito is fast enough that he can react and move at the same levels speed. Bullet time. Otherwise we would never the fight. It would be a drawing of a battlefield with speed lines all over and no characters.
 * 1) D.. 544 Page 12.the very famous one, where he dodged Ay's top speed punch.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Yesh, Roshi hit Naruto, who was taking him head on and not dodging him
 * Now if we were to play by your logic then:
 * 1) A..Roushi hit KCM Naruto, there that means Roushi is as fast

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Because he got blindsided while trying to free Roshi
 * 1) B..Han kicked KCM Naruto away, there that confirms even han is as fast.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Killer bee was able to keep up with KCM Naruto, that also confirms that killer bee is as fast. In this case Naruto wasnt using top speed because he and Bee need to stick together.
 * 1) C..Whilst heading to the war Naruto and bee were jumping from tree to tree in the forest,

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

These proofs also hints that he doesn't go top speed every second In combat they do

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Kakashi warped a rasengan out of naruto's hand so fast obito thought naruto deformed it, and this happened while naruto and obito were blitzing each other. For him to warp a ball of chakra supposedly moving at speeds greater than V2 Raikage with pinpoint timing and accuracy implies he can track it, and I don't think he was actually that far away, further than sasuke was to the raikage yes, but still. So, I'm a bit confused. His Sharingan can track it but that doesnt mean he can physically compete with those speeds, which is why he never tried engaging in CQC and relied on his Raikiri kunai in 595 to close the gap and save Naruto. Later in 608 he ended up getting punked when Obito did come at him for CQC. Without his Sharingan, He couldnt react to Obito at all and Obito wasnt even trying to kill him.

CombatIQmatters wrote: @LegionZero okay, he couldn't see him is an overstatement, but he could barely see him is still the case. Sasuke was looking in the completely wrong direction when Raikage blitzed. Raikage moved to the right and sasuke's head turned to follow him, but then Raikage appears from the opposite direction. He couldn't even keep his eyes on him long enough enough for the amaterasu to actually stick. I have a hard time believing that kakashi can track those speeds, if sasuke with two MS and the bloodline couldn't. Top speed KCM naruto>>> than Raikage's top speed, so how can kakashi keep up with his eyes???. That same sasuke had no trouble moving with and tracking kakashi. Kakashi was actually keeping up with Sasuke and his Susanoo perfectly fine right after he fought with A. Sasuke's eyes could track A just fine, so long as he had a line of sight, thats how he could adjust Amaterasu to counter A.

Kakashi kind got a plot upgrade offscreen because he was doing stuff he never could have in the Pain arc. He was spamming Kamui and lightning jutsu and even said he would Kamui away 5 Bijuu bombs after like, 24 straight gours of fighting. Last we saw he could used like, 2 lightning jutsu, a shadow clone, a nail sized Kamui, and Kamui'd a missile before literally dying from chakra drain.