User talk:SuperSajuuk

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Re: rights
Wikia staff did screw up when setting up the rights (sysops can't remove the forummod group they grant but can remove the forumadmin instead which they shouldn't, bureaucrats can't remove either group they add, making the weaker forummod permission something that can't be revoked by anyone) but that's not one of the mistakes. Forum Moderator is the one that Sysops will be able to add/remove. The Forum Admin group with the extra block rights is going to be one given through processes like those RfA-like threads we did. ~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 21:45, October 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure how that logic makes sense to you. I'm bureaucrat/founder, not simply sysop. Sysops have never made the last call on granting sysop or had the rights needed to grant sysop to others. So I'm not sure how being the first Forum Admin makes you the one to decide who gets Forum Admin makes sense to you.
 * When I was active I watched out for users with sysop material myself. Later on I took suggestions from the sysops who were active and knew the community. Now with the RfA-like threads I'm pretty much taking suggestions from the whole community.
 * Forum Admin will simply have a similar process, more RfA-like threads for me to take suggestions from the community.
 * Chat: No, I prefer the talkpages that leave a proper trail, and I'm going out shopping anyways.
 * ~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 22:14, October 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that last call will still be me for Forum Admins just like Sysops. Your experience with the forums will come through in the RfA-like discussions just as the current Sysops's experience does in the other RfA-like discussions.
 * Highlight was the one issue staff was aware of and IIRC even came up in discussions we already knew would probably be missing, so I didn't bother looking into it. Though now that I understand the Wall+Forum functionality and found the issues with editing and closing threads I just took a quick peak at the code again. Looks like it's possible that highlight might be related to the  right.
 * Last time I sent 2 consecutive requests in the same subject to staff without waiting for a reply they skipped over one of the requests, so lets wait for them to fix the issues with addition/removal of the groups before we ask them to try adding  to forumadmin.
 * For chat, I also quickly switch to other things (shopping, soon work, etc...) and sometimes I'm slow writing when it comes to prose, so an asynchronous/deferred method of communication is better. ~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 00:13, October 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * The blocking stuff is a hard topic to think about. If there's a continuing flood of vandalism currently happening from a user, then naturally that would be fine. But in general even a user that has been warned, and will probably be blocked, is unlikely to do it again in the time between when you spot it and when a sysop would handle a request, and even if they did the damage would be trivial. So you're probably better off just letting a sysop handle it as usual. ~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 17:29, October 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * The  was added to Forum Admins, try it out.
 * You're overthinking it, things don't get so bad that a non-sysop needs to make a probationary block before a sysop.
 * That Userpage policy has been modified functionally since it was written. Snapper2's userpage is pretty far from the real issues we had that made us create the policy in the first place. To me it looks like that policy is being expanded and applied excessively beyond what we needed it for.
 * Forum Admin is just Forum Moderator with a few more restricted rights like block, letting sysops grant Forum Moderator is loose enough for grant permissions. ~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 20:42, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

So highlighting works now? If so I want to tell staff so that info gets to the devs with information on the other rights I passed along.

To understand the policy you should really understand why it was created.

Back somewhere near the time that we had to kill off non-wiki discussions in the old forums we had another issue with user pages. There were a number of users who would come to the Narutopedia and create a userpage, then never contribute anything else to the wiki. This userpage would be a fan profile like a character page. Some of them even included the character infobox on their userpage (which IIRC included their userpage in the Character categories). And besides not contributing to the wiki, some of these users would spill over into the mainspace, editing actual character articles to fit in with their fanmade concoction.

So rather than Snapper2's brick wall. Our actual issue was users that abuse the wiki without contributing, creating fan profiles, uploading fan art for their userpage, screwing up content, or coming here just to ask to roleplay or chat. For example, take a look at this.

~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 22:49, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Question
Aren't "Naruto News" and "News and Announcements" in the forums essentially the same thing? • WindStar7125     22:11, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay then. And by the way, you really should archive your page. It's got me looking like: ಠ_ಠ lol. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 22:14, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Kudos/This
Forgot to ask, based on this comment you made, why have we been prohibited from saying "This" when we agree with a comment in the forums? Guys like I, Ten Tailed Fox, and others have used it all the time. What's the deal? • WindStar7125     00:50, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

chat
Do you wanna get on chat? Munchvtec (talk) 08:23, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

forums stuff

 * 1) the dedicated edit button doesn't work for me, does it require rights I lack or is just broken?
 * 2) forum flags should be updated, for example Seelentau is noted as a translator but not a sysop
 * 3) even though it's good that you have split the boards, there are too many in my opinion, I'd merge back some of them--Elve  Talk Page 13:10, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * 4) Is it possible for an ordinary editor to see which ones are locked at the moment or can only a sysop do that?--Elve  Talk Page 13:31, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * I see, good to know.
 * Great.
 * Well, in my opinion we don't need separate boards for Chapter/Episode Discussions and Naruto 7, I'd merge them with Naruto Discussion
 * I see, that's helpful, thanks.--Elve Talk Page 13:40, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Not worth a separate topic, I just want to ask: I'm about to make a "4th databook predictions" thread, so I wonder if it's more appropriate for the theories&speculation board or another, thanks--Elve Talk Page 14:54, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's kind and thanks.--Elve Talk Page 15:00, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Idea
Do you think it would be a good idea to change the green marker next your name in the forums from "(Moderator)" to "(Forum Admin)" or "(Administrator)?" Though hopefully if the latter was chosen, nobody confuses "(Administrator)" with "(Sysop)..." • WindStar7125     19:37, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

re: tmr
Sure, no prob, I would have done so sooner if I hadn't been doing other things.--Elve Talk Page 09:52, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Does it really make sense to bother with archived topics, though?--Elve Talk Page 10:07, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Burnt out for the time being, will resume the work after a brief break :P--Elve Talk Page 10:32, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter 698
Spey-kun, the Chinese scans of the chapter are out and the title is "Naruto and Sasuke 5", according to the spoiler policy. Is it better to create an article of that chapter or wait for the English scans? — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 10:05, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Thread moving request
If I can find the time, of course I am willing to help, the only thing is that I actually am busy at the moment, including the next weeks (you might've noticed that I didn't upload the newest anime images as well, simply because I don't have the time for it). So I can't guarantee anything. Norleon (talk) 12:23, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

re: high
Why do people need to be aware of it? It is not a topic that all editors and readers need to be informed about. It is not a topic that all editors and readers need to take part it. Therefore, why highlight it? ~SnapperTo 18:53, October 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * Can't highlight every thread a user might want to find. Especially since they can go looking for it if they're truly interested. There's a frickin board dedicated to it after all.
 * Although I was not aware the highlights automatically expired. ~SnapperTo 19:05, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Request
Sure, if you want to. FF-Suzaku (talk) 00:28, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Forum Administrator
SuperSajuuk, it seems I need to be clear about something.

forumadmin is just a Forum Moderator with extra moderation rights like blocking, you don't get to unilaterally make decisions.

In the future when there may be a need for large changes like reorganizing the entire forums, I would like you to discuss it with the community first and gather people's input.

Also, I'd say it's generally better to not close an announcement immediately after it's made, especially if it's about a big change. The announcement post is a good place for discussion, complaints, and comments on things that might further need to be fixed.

~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 06:16, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Moving pages/files
Got it, Spey-kun. Thanks for your assistance. :) — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 18:13, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

New section in the forums?
I suggest we add a "Video Game" section for the forums. There is likely to be new Naruto video games in the future, and it would further thin down the Naruto Discussions board. If you give me the green light, I'll happily add it myself. If not... well, I tried. • WindStar7125     21:57, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

Update
Please update me when Ulti-Super does the Kekkei Mōra thing for the Rinne Sharingan ASAP. I take responsibility and I kinda wanna fix my mistake. Also, when are you going to make the link to the forum requests you put on the top of the forums visible to everyone?
 * Edit: Phew... Good news... making progress on the forums! Was able to trim the pages on the Naruto discussions boards to single digits! Only a few more to go! :P
 * 2nd edit: Done. That took awhile. But I've moved all past threads to the appropriate sections. You are now impressed. :P And also, please update me on the things I asked for at the beginning of this topic, will ya? • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 05:27, November 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Great! He's done it. Now we have to find a way to get Amenominaka and Infinite Tsukuyomi under the jutsu section of Rinne Sharingan's infobox.... • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 13:54, November 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Forget all that stuff. Ulti-Super got it handled ^_^. Now, considering that's over, you said you'd poke Ulti-Super for making the Forum Moderator and Forum Operator flags pop up on our pages. Can you do that now? :P Also, here still has you as a forumadmin instead of forum operator. The URL still has forumadmin in it instead of forumoperator. Care to change that? •  WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 02:35, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Infobox/Naruto/Genetic
Eh, what? Are you talking about the category?~Ultimate Supreme  05:12, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Added--~Ultimate Supreme  13:25, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

???
Sajuuk, what did you do that for? Why did you close the discussion? I moved it to the new board you created. The link you made doesn't even work... • WindStar7125     11:24, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * About that, I usually close the threads after 350 messages. That's what I consider a "mega thread." • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 11:29, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * You close it, feeling there was no purpose, I reopen it. Then there really was no purpose in it when Tau created the other thread. So I close it. Then all of a sudden you find purpose in it and reopen it. Look, man, I've been up for 24 hours. I don't know what you want. I'm confused. Do what you want, man, you're the operator. :| • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 11:49, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

RE:Summaries
Thanks :) I really tired writing that every time Rage gtx (talk) 13:02, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Re:userpage?
Just trying to keep it short and simple. — S OVAN D ARA  13:12, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

RE: literal english
Easy :) I will remember for next time to leave it blank. 【I'm just... Mad | 語聞見】 16:31, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Talk
Sorry if I'm disturbing you but I was wondering if I could remove that sign you left on my user page like 2 months ago. Its really no reason for it to still be up there anymore. Also how do you make your talk page into a archive, mine is getting long. Rachin123 (talk) 19:13, November 5, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

Thank you for the directions to archive my talk page. Also if I can't take away the sign you left on my userpage, can you? Rachin123 (talk) 20:54, November 5, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

No no. I mean my userpage where ypu tell about yourself not talkpage. You left a sign up for deletion according to the policy but I fixed it up. I just find it annoying its still there. So neither I or you can delete it? It's not violating anything anymore apparently. Rachin123 (talk) 21:03, November 5, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

Private message chat please
Need to discuss something with you regarding the forum threads tomorrow. • WindStar7125     21:23, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Re: minor bug
It seems to be the old problem of  adding pages to Wantedpages--~Ultimate Supreme  09:52, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

No. Also, why are you clearing WantedPages? Was there a discussion about it? A bot might make it much easier then.--~Ultimate Supreme  09:57, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

How?--~Ultimate Supreme  11:34, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

But unlike that, the icon template depends on it--~Ultimate Supreme  11:50, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Issue
As noted here, there's a bit of an issue with the family section of Himawari Uzumaki's infobox. I tried doing the Null Edit and that didn't work. I tried editing it and that didn't work either. If you can't fix, I suggest poking Ulti-Super then. • WindStar7125     02:15, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Small question...
Why does the flag you have say "Forum Moderator" rather than "Forum Operator?" Can that be fixed? • WindStar7125     18:07, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Also, Saj/Spey, how do you move pages on this wiki? Not saying I want to do it now, but just for future reference.


 * Edit: Or is that the same as renaming an article? • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 18:45, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * So moving an article = renaming it? K. And as a rollback user, what is "suppress[ing] the redirect when moving the file/page?" • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 20:05, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh ok. What is the point of suppressing redirects and leaving red links? And btw, user Boruto Uzumaki and user Kirsty Mikaelson did the worst pyramid quoting ever in a thread. Jesus flipping Christ, I edited their comments and now I see why it's disruptive. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 20:26, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Kiba Part II image
Hey SuperSajuuk, I wanted to get your opinion on this new image of Kiba in Part II that I uploaded yesterday. The current headshot pic is pretty bright and I think the new image shows a nice view of Kiba without too much brightness. Of course, I can't just upload a pic and put it in the infobox without getting a consensus from other users. Let me know what you think about it. Thanks! --SSJ2AJB 22:35, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * That depends if more people are actually gonna respond there. I already asked this on Kiba's talk page two days ago and so far only one response was made there. I wanted to get the word out about this new image so people won't just ignore the whole topic for a few days like they did for Sasuke's part II image.--SSJ2AJB 16:07, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

People need to stop with those petitions
It's not gonna work. Naruto is not gonna get banned in the US because of some internet teenage clowns that didn't get the ending they wanted. It's making me, you and everyone else on here look like crazy nutjobs. You know what they say "You can't always get what you want." --The Pop Cult Gamer (talk) 19:45, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Don't think it necssary
To fix the dead links in talk pages like that. Not sure if you are using a bot or something but either way, not really necessary, especially since most of those (as it appears to me) are old.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 11:33, November 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm going to ask you to stop. If it's so important to you to clean out WantedPages, then get a bot and use the bot to do it. But please do not continue to flood RecentChanges with your link removals. ~SnapperTo 19:38, November 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Three sysops have asked you to stop. Two sysops have asked that, if you must continue, you use a bot. If you are not going to follow either request I will block you for disruption. ~SnapperTo 19:47, November 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * You are the one making up a need that WantedPages need to be purged at all. You cannot go on to fault me for saying you need to use a bot.
 * I don't even care if you use an actual bot. Get an account with a bot flag and do the link removals manually with that account so it at least doesn't flood RecentChanges. This is not a difficult request and you do not need to be making it one. ~SnapperTo 19:59, November 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * You can still make the edits manually. Just make them manually using an account with a bot flag. I am offering you a solution that will allow you to continue doing what you want and that will also prevent a couple hundred minor edits to IP talk pages from crowding RecentChanges. Please do not be stubborn. ~SnapperTo 20:55, November 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't want to block you. Because if I do expect I'll never hear the end of it. What I want is to find a solution that will make everyone happy. I have offered a solution - repeatedly, as you have pointed out - and you refuse it because you want there to be an issue. Yet I'll still ask again; please do one of the following:
 * Please stop removing red links from pages nobody uses.
 * If you must remove red links, please find a method of removing them that will not flood RecentChanges. A bot is one method. If you (or anyone else) has another method then by all means use that.
 * If you must remove red links but absolutely refuse to use a bot, then please do fewer at a time. You appear do have done just over 300 today. Aim for 99, maybe?
 * Please, the thing I said. ~SnapperTo 21:16, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

If you dislike having someone contributing to the wiki in what you seem to agree as a good manner so badly, why don't you write the bot yourself? Considering you suggested it about 5 times already, it seems you're familiar with how to work with such bot, so the question rises why you haven't added one yourself.

Sincerely, Yaell Novella (talk) 21:19, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Forum Requests
Have we displayed the link to forum requests to everyone yet? • WindStar7125     19:24, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * I also suggest putting a link to the FR, included with the "Before posting, please ensure your reply complies with our Forum policies and the Wikia TOU. Posts in violation will be edited or removed." The reason being is that when one clicks on the forums in the notifications tab, it automatically takes the user to the latest comment, meaning they could miss the link to the forum requests at the top of the page. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 19:28, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * Bump. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 19:46, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm looking at the old pages you're editing and I gotta tell ya... some people have the most hilarious names... regardless, do you think we should notify everyone about the forum requests page at some point (like highlighting a thread about it or something)? • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 19:53, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Recent edits
hey sajuuk, could you maybe slow down with those edit that are virtually nothing lel. it's filling up the recent edits area. Munchvtec (talk) 12:52, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

yeah that's what i was talking about but whatever. please continue doing it then. Munchvtec (talk) 12:54, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Archives
Well, these messages on my talkpage is kinda old, that's all if that's my answer. Kunoichi101 (talk) 17:05, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * "If your talkpage is getting large or you want to clean up old messages, you are still free to archive the old ones. You may only archive resolved discussions and discussions older than 3 months." I looked up the talkpage policy, I thought I could clean up old messages for two years or so. Kunoichi101 (talk) 17:10, November 12, 2014 (UTC)Kunoichi101

Posted my message on a wrong theme, sorry. Aka Shi Crow (talk) 06:14, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

This User.
Greetings Sajuuk-Sama, sorry for coming here and bothering you, but lately user @Actionmanrandell has been bothering me, what i mean is that he stills do Pyramid quoting on the forums, he goes off-topic on the threads, he recalls previous (and done) discussions with new arguements just to prove he is right and has gone to the limit Vandalizing my own Talkpage posting long messages over other's messages explaining me why is he right and i am wrong, this user has gone too far on the wiki an it must be considered as a threat, i just dont know why he hasn't been blocked yet, again sorry for bothering you, but my request is to get this checked and taken with the proper actions, thanks for reading -- Aka Shi Crow (talk) 06:26, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

wikia being down
I can edit just fine. so what do you mean? Munchvtec (talk) 13:44, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Is this for all wikias? Munchvtec (talk) 13:47, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

One more question: does this also effect talk page edits and chat? Munchvtec (talk) 13:52, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

okay thanks :) Munchvtec (talk) 13:55, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

manga images in infoboxes
Unless I remember it wrongly, then only in cases when the character looks identical between the manga and anime.--Elve Talk Page 21:23, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Look more closely. Different feathers/wings, different beak, different eyes and eye markings, completely different feet.--Elve Talk Page 21:38, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

In the manga it looks majestic, in the anime it looks like it was born prematurely and abandoned by its parents, not to mention lacking design details. The wrong image should be put in trivia while the correct one should be in the infobox, we do the same with Susanoo I think--Elve Talk Page 21:46, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. In this case, I don't see the problem with having the manga one in infobox. It's Kishimoto-sensei quality artstyle and it's colored as well.--Elve Talk Page 21:51, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

re: msg
Just joking that the guy is Seelentau's alt ^_--Elve Talk Page 22:28, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

wording
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sasuke%27s_Answer_%28episode%29?action=history. You sounded like you're demanding us to clean it up. You should choose your wording more carefully. Especially if you have this habit in real life. Because if you're asking for recommendation letters you can't see it so if you're sounding like you're demanding one from a person you might get a bad one and you won't even know it.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 20:35, November 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * I know it was a request. But if you read the second half of what I said, it doesn't matter what I read of it but if you ask for a recommendation letter from someone and they read it wrong, it could cost you. Just a friendly advice ^_^.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 20:45, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Re: lol
Really? How so? :P • WindStar7125     15:47, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Episode 379
Do you happen to know the name of the song when Edo Madara and Edo Hashirama fought in Shippuden episode 379? I'm trying to find the song but haven't had much luck.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 08:40, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

Chats
You up for it? ~ • WS7125 [Mod]  11:18, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Again? A short one this time around. :) ~ • WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 22:03, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Bump. ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 10:07, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

P/S discussions
I also suggest you highlight a thread that will direct all users to the NCW wiki using the new template you made. ~ • WS7125 [Mod]  11:57, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Mobile Wiki Site
Something's been troubling me since last week. Madara's Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan icon in his infobox has disappeared on the mobile site. Is there any way for the dead image link to be fixed for the mobile users?--Minamoto15 (talk) 16:40, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * How would I go about uploading it to an image hosting site? Do I need an account for the site?--Minamoto15 (talk) 16:56, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Re: question
Yes I still need that. It's an archive of the very old Wikipedia article on Naruto media. Always good to have a very detailed record of the past.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 11:48, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Species
All animals like Takamaru use it--~Ultimate Supreme  13:40, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Chat
I'm on!--Hisana456 (talk) 15:42, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

that's too harsh
Akame's 2 weeks block I mean. I mean, it's not like he offended anyone or broke the rules, he is just himself I guess. 1 week would have been enough imo--Elve Talk Page 17:13, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Sigh, at first I'm an asshole and a villain of narutopedia and now I feel sorry for everyone and am afraid not to hurt their feelings, strange world isn't it.--Elve Talk Page 17:48, November 19, 2014 (UTC)