Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180922071507

Rsm is one mode. I’ll say it again, RSM IS ONE MODE. There is no base rsm, nor is there a rsm + Kurama Mode.

The last guidebook makes it crystal clear that during the movie Naruto used kurama mode with sage mode. This is proof that databooks can and do state when multiple forms are used. This is not the case when Naruto uses rsm, nor is it the case when madara and obito undergo rikudo sage transformation.

Rikudo senjutsu grants both tailed beast power and sage power. Obito used juubi chakra arms, indicative of the tailed beast power, obito madara and Naruto used sage jutsu indicative of sage power. Having both powers already makes the claim of adding in another mode of the same or lesser power redundant.

Naruto achieved rikudo sagehood vía the mode and he displayed both biju mode traits and sage mode traits as he gained more of the juubi’ chakra. His cloak only resembles his previous kurama cloak because Naruto doesn’t have the actual juubi inside him, he has kurama inside him. Kurama being the largest biju chakra in Naruto at the time, logically contributed more to the finite rikudo senjutsu created inside Naruto for him to enter rsm. So his rsm manifest with a noticeable influence from kurama.

Just like the last guidebook did with ksm, all those that believe rsm can be used with another mode and that Naruto did use rsm with another must show proof of those claims. They must show canonical indication of the two modes in unison. They also must show feats unique to each individual mode. This is the only way to solidify that claim. If they can’t do that, they fail to prove themselves right.

The claim that 2 characters had TSOs without the juubi’ power is unsupported. If your strongest case is the ambiguity of hamura’ and toneri’ power, you essentially have nothing. Either prove where they got their TSOs from or stop attempting to use them since you nor anyone else knows how they did. The juubi was converted into an ETSO by kaguya, proving a direct connection between them. Just give it up already.

Naruto did not lose rsm, he just can’t use it. It’s the difference between losing a phone and not being able to turn that phone on and use it.

I gave a comparison between Minato and Naruto that may help some further understand this.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote: There was a comment expressing disbelief that Naruto would keep his rsm but not use it. Now if you consider how Minato, since his death, hasn’t used sage mode for exactly 17 years, yet the moment he gathers the required power(senjutsu) he enters the form without difficultly(during the 4th war). If you draw the comparison to hokage Naruto who also hasn’t used rsm in nearly 17 years. You’ll see that Naruto is in much of the same situation and is more like his father than previously thought. You wouldn’t say Minato lost his sage mode because he didn’t use it over 17 years. No, he’d still be classified as a sage. In the same manner, you’d be wrong to say Naruto lost his rikudo sage mode just because he hasn’t used it since undoing IT. I’m sure there are those who read my post and jump the the conclusion that I think Naruto lost rsm, that isn’t my claim but more importantly that was never proven. So the same way Minato regathered the necessary nature energy and reentered sage mode, Naruto would have to regather the necessary juubi chakra before reentering rsm, just like he did during VOTE2.

So again Naruto doesn’t use rsm anymore because he doesn’t have the chakra to do so. Once he gets that chakra back, he will be able to. Obito, madara, the biju, hagoromo, and the narration from the novels all proved that Naruto had chakra from the 9 biju which granted him juubi chakra.

These sources all exist in canon and proves that rikudo sagehood, whether vía mode or transformation, requires juubi power aka juubi chakra aka rikudo senjutsu.

None of this has proper representation on the respective wiki page(s). That’s why this post exists. Proper corrections, for the sake of accuracy, must be made.

P.s How do talk pages work? I will be bringing this discussion over to that talk page once I figure out how to do so.