User talk:Cerez365

Madara Uchiha
Madara Uchiha is not arrogant, just prideful and confident. An arrogant person is someone constantly overconfident in their abilities and think their better than anyone and therefore can't lose. Madara isn't like that. Hes just firm. But hes right about most everything he says. That doesn't make him arrogant. He wasn't mocking the Kage, he was just playing with them by using their own 5 vs 1 strategy against them. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 02:47, May 25, 2012 (UTC))

They aren't the same and Madara doesn't brag about himself all the time. Hes proud of his accomplishments. Who wouldn't be? I'm proud of mine. That doesn't make him arrogant. The fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 15:11, May 25, 2012 (UTC))

Hey Cerez. We don't know what Madara's capability with that combined prowess would have been if he were alive since he hasn't made any appearances in the story alive. We don't know that he wouldn't have been able to do all of that alive as well as dead and having the word reincarnated in there implies we know that he wouldn't have and that we do know what his capability with the combined prowess was in life when we don't. I have removed the word reincarnated and would like to ask why it has to be there. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 03:04, June 3, 2012 (UTC))

Stuff
U DONT KNOW WAT U TALKIN BOUT!!! I WAS RIGHT ABOUT SUIGETSU AND KIMIMARO AND EVERYTHING ELSE!!!!

Re Killer B
No problem. I tried to end the revert war thing and say he was nearly killed, but the one who edited right before you did just now thought otherwise. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 20:25, May 26, 2012 (UTC))

Edit on the Susanoo Sword page
I never said that the Susanoo Sword was inaccessible. I only meant that they can acess it after they first used it whenever they want.Undominanthybrid (talk) 16:08, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Correct me if I wrong, but it was nowhere stated that they CAN'T use it with final/complete Susanoo--Elveonora (talk) 16:12, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

New Naruto Movie
Look at this you think it would make a great movie? XD - White Flash - (Talk) - 02:56, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Lifted Embar..eh? Ulti-san? o.O
Oh you should know how I work by now. The lesson I wanted to teach was told, now I need to see how they play out. I could very easily, after all flip the switch and reinstate it. /evillaugh--TheUltimate3 (talk) 18:55, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, what are you guys talking about?-- Ninja Sheik  19:00, May 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Pretty sure they are talking about Forum:Administrative Declaration --Speysider (Talk Page) 19:01, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, that? Huh...well, okay. Thanks.-- Ninja Sheik  19:04, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

One image to rule them all
Didn't expect you to know the Lord of the Rings. X29, Monday, 28th of May, 21:57, 2012.

First of all, I was right about Suigetsu and Mangetsu, according to naruto's overall psychology a spirit can only be in one person at a time, this is proven by Kinkaku and Ginkaku's inability to fully unleash 9tails biju mode, secondly, Suigetsu refers to his brother as the man reputed to be the second coming of the demon Zabuza when he talks to jugo about the ninja swordsman. Kimimaro's kekki genkai can make as many bone's as he wants, when he uses that drill he come out of a bone sticking out of the ground and he has the dinosaur-like bones sticking out of him simultaneously, his blades do have hilts, they look like how many people draw bones.6tailjin (talk) 00:15, May 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I would like to clear this up.
 * 1) Kinkaku and Ginkaku couldn't go full demon modes because they didn't have the actual demon. The Nine-Tails' chakra is not the Nine-Tails creature.--TheUltimate3 Uzumaki Symbol.svg (talk) 00:59, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Input
Can you provide your input in the latest discussion on Talk:Outer Path? :) Skitts (talk) 01:35, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Images
Hi Cerez. You said on the Declaration that you would let other users try to upload, which is fine since I managed to get in a few images but I still feel like your uploading too many. Maybe I'm just being paranoid or something. Don't take this personally though, but just thought you should know. --Speysider (Talk Page) 15:29, May 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought I was bad at the HD fad, but apparently there are other users who have an absolute fetish for uploading every single image in HD or updating images to HD when there's no real need to =.=. I mean, I don't upload every image I find in HD, for example the images from the original series but ... yeah, you get the picture. --Speysider (Talk Page) 18:48, June 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I feel as though as I have just wasted a large amount of time uploading anything because your just removing all the images I uploaded in place of images that are ... in my view, colourless. Why do I bother uploading to this wiki when you still like to take control of images and replace everyone else's images ? I am also getting a hint that you are now ignoring me for some reason. --Speysider Talk Page 18:09, June 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know that but I don't like to waste my ISP's bandwidth, because it's only just possible for me to stream 1080p here, so having taken a lot of time and wasted bandwidth and then having the images changed does lower my confidence in doing things like this. The annoying thing about this week's episode was the large amount of mist that, in my opinion, was degrading a large amount of colour in people's faces or hair. --Speysider Talk Page 18:45, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Pakura HDShot.png
If you don't like rectangular infoboxes, then take out all the images that make them rectangular and replace them with 4:3 images. Your reasoning is really off and I'm sick and tired of trying to explain things to people because it's starting to get to the point that people want the wiki their way and not the communities way. --Speysider (Talk Page)


 * If that is the case, then I'll ask for my Pakura HDShot image to be deleted and then allow someone to upload their own image because cropping it to a 4:3 aspect ratio stops making it HD. I upload the files and then people take credit for what I upload by reuploading images that stop making it HD. I'm not personally attacking you, but you can't seem to recognise my sarcasm at all. --Speysider (Talk Page) 17:06, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

"Taking credit for what you upload? Where did you see them do that?"


 * The wiki uses the latest revision as the person who uploaded. So if I uploaded an image and then someone reuploaded over that, they'd get the credit for the upload.
 * Why don't you just stop attacking me, I'm trying to contribute and I am sick and tired of you constantly jumping down my throat at nearly everything I do, which generally includes uploading images. The filename of an image is meant to reference what it's about. If I put HDShot in it, that automatically makes people think the image is going to be HD and they'll be disappointed when it's not. Try reading this which clearly explains that if an image is not in the 16:9 ratio, it's not HD. You need to back off a bit and stop hogging this wiki to yourself and stop acting as though you run this place. A little rude I must admit, but it's the truth. --Speysider (Talk Page) 17:57, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Since this is slightly related to the previous discussion, this is why you should not upload a cropped image over a widescreen image --Speysider Talk Page 12:05, June 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * "What possessed you to link a policy article to your userpage which could be deleted at any given time?"


 * Because I can ?
 * "As for Izuna's article, from what I can see there is no distortion of the image. The image is just not rendering properly for you. This is temporary however and isn't going to look like that forever."


 * "Thirdly, and I bring this down on myself. How about you let stuff like the wiki's policy be amended by the people actually put in charge of this wiki? Some things have to be sacred."
 * "Thirdly, and I bring this down on myself. How about you let stuff like the wiki's policy be amended by the people actually put in charge of this wiki? Some things have to be sacred."


 * When did you get admin status to tell anyone that ? This is a public wiki and if I need to update something, I can. From this, you have a  serious  problem with every single thing I do here and I feel you are harassing me, stalking my edits and you honestly need to stop it. You have some insane feeling everyone will listen to you but you let other people try to help this wiki. What you are doing is hindering it. For sake of trying to stop edit wars, I would be appreciated if you stopped getting involved in every single discussion or edit that involves me because you always drag up old issues as well as reverting my edits and being generally annoying to a few users (not just me, others have expressed annoyance at your behaviour as well. Your attitude in response quite clearly makes it obvious you hate me and you are trying to make my time here as hard as possible so you can get your own way--Speysider Talk Page 13:28, June 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * "I know you can but I asked why. There are template pages that you could link the article to instead. Clicking the link to your userpage doesn't even bring up the template first thing because it's not the first in your "tabber queue""


 * Because it's easier than just creating or linking to a template that has no proper description of each part of the rationale.
 * "The Izuna image isn't rendering as distorted for everyone so you can't use that as an example. Wiki is full of bugs and that's just a temporary one of them. What is going to happen when it sorts itself out, people click the image and don't see anything wrong with it?"


 * I fixed it by refreshing my cache.
 * "I don't have sysop rights to tell you to do anything. What I told you was a simple suggestion."


 * I can see it was.
 * "It's fine to fix grammatical mistakes and such but why do you have to go as far as to be amending the rules yourself without even consulting others?"


 * I felt it was necessary to mention it.
 * "You don't have a sysop flag last time I checked to be making unilateral decisions like that either. So what is so hard in simply adding it to the talk page and then having a discussion about it?"


 * Some people just ignore the talkpages altogether.
 * "If you feel I'm harassing you, I apologise from for that from now."


 * Thank you. --Speysider Talk Page 13:28, June 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * "Never saw the second bit you added since I was editing already so I'll answer to it now though I'm not even sure how to respond to it. I can say definitely that I cannot hate you, (nor anyone else here) because I don't know you. As for the rest: understood/message received?, I suppose."


 * I've been here long enough to actually get known somewhat :P. Also I removed the bit about asking you to ignore my messages since that goes against the policies anyway.
 * "And the latter, new part of your message, there's not much to respond to but, I highly doubt everybody would ignore a message posted on a policy's talk page."


 * It happens on template talk messages and even other pages and some policy pages could be ignored. I suppose it's because all the non-standard article type pages don't show up in Wiki Activity (which should show ALL activity from any page. --Speysider Talk Page 13:41, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Specific or General?
We have pages here where we have specific users mentioned like this one but I had always thought we had to use the generic user and only use specifics after we described the technique or if the name would make the description easier. Can you please help with this one? Joshbl56 10:20, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Rationale on my images
Please leave them alone. There's absolutely nothing wrong with them, all of them were taken at 1080p HD and it's quite obvious you DO hate HD images. --Speysider (Talk Page) 16:22, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

"Images don't belong to people, it belongs to the wiki unless you created it."

I know that images don't belong to people. "It just happens that one person might upload the image."

That makes absolutely no sense at all... "Now as for the rationale, I apologise, I was just so overcome with hatred that I had to change it, not because I've done it a million times in order to make the rationales mainstream."

Hatred at what ? If it's real life, you should seriously not bring those issues to the wiki because that's a very bad idea. Plus, the rationales are all intended to be different to give info about the image they are referencing. If it was taken at 1080p HD, they should say that. If it was a drop down form list that set the rationale for you, then I would accept your logic but they are intended to be written by the uploader since the uploader will know more about the image properties. --Speysider (Talk Page) 16:39, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Eight Trigrams: Sixty Four Palms
Okay, I just realized I was wrong for that and I apologise for that. Please don't accuse me of abusing the rollback function. I also didn't contact you because I don't still see that as a big issue. —IndxcvNovelist (talk 16:53, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

JPG Images
Can you give me the permission to replace jpg images into png?? --EzioLover (talk) 18:10, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

i was talking about this one: "We also prefer .png images over .jpg images because .jpg images slowly lose quality each time you save them. Neither of these types of quality loss can be recovered without the original image." i meant it to make the quality higher (the thumb for jpg images is very very bad) --EzioLover (talk) 18:59, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kisame_Hoshigaki#Kenjutsu See the thumb of Kisame's picture holding Samehada the quality of it is bad --EzioLover (talk) 19:10, June 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * ^ That image doesn't look bad at all. It looks just fine to me. --Speysider (Talk Page) 19:12, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

i meant the thumbnail of it....http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Killer_B#Shinobi_World_War_Arc see the first picture here (the thumbnail) --EzioLover (talk) 19:15, June 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thumbnail is fine to me too. -.- --Speysider (Talk Page) 19:17, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

dude its too pixelated and blurry...just compare a jpg thumbnail and a png thumbnail and see the difference --EzioLover (talk) 19:27, June 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see no issue with the thumbnail. Even if it's slightly blurry, when you click it and view it larger, there is no issue. Images should only be updated when you look at a bigger version of the image in the popup lightbox or by going to the image directly and it is of poor quality. Updating an image because the thumbnail looks bad when the full size image has no issues at all is a terrible precedent to create as we'll have everyone complaining about every thumbnail on this wiki looking "blurry" and having images updated for no reason whatsoever. --Speysider (Talk Page) 19:35, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Multi Upload Feature ?
Rather than uploading every image individually, you could upload them all at once using Special:MultipleUpload. Might make it easier for you :) --Speysider (Talk Page) 11:53, June 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Could always just upload loads of images without rationale and then either add the rationale in afterwards, or ask others to do the rationale for you :) I used the MultiUpload feature to upload the 3 HD Character images I did. --Speysider Talk Page 18:45, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Substitution Technique
How can you say it's inaccurate? ~IndxcvNovelist (talk 13:39, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then if it's just in the anime, it will be a good trivia. ~IndxcvNovelist (talk 16:24, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Re- Madara's honor
He makes no prideful statements and he wasn't saying that in a negative way. His words were "What kind of adult would fight seriously against a child?". Hubis is something more like "Why would I, an adult, take a fight with you, a child at that point, seriously? Theres was no need to waste my power.". He was displaying honor saying that he didn't think he should fight against a child seriously or else he would have killed Onoki then, but he let him live purposely when he didn't have too. Thats honor. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 21:12, June 7, 2012 (UTC))

I reshuffled nothing. Thats what he said and your problem is that you can only think thing through one way every time you think about them. Madara went there to let them know their alliance with the Uchiha clan was over and that now their loyalty would be to Konoha. That says he went there out of some loyalty he had for the village at that point, even if he didn't have it for long. He still only joked around when that fight happened, making no prideful remarks and only incapacitating Mu and Onoki when he could have killed them just as easily. Thats honor. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 21:22, June 7, 2012 (UTC))

I beg to differ. When he was actually fighting them back then he said "It seems that you still want to dance but...you will not be able to make steps anymore.". Thats what I mean't. He joked around while fighting. He wasn't bullying them all the while, so he didn't go there for that either. He told them their alliance with the Uchiha was over and that they would now follow Konoha. It wasn't until after he started to show hate for his rival that the fighting started. He could have killed them for attacking him and thereby giving him a reason to kill them, but he didn't. He let them live because he didn't want to kill them without a good reason. That is honor. You don't Madara for what he is. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 21:46, June 7, 2012 (UTC))

Konoha was the first village founded. They didn't have Iwagakure yet. It was just its future leaders at that point. He had an alliance with them and ended it when he founded Konoha with Hashirama and told them that from then on they were to follow Konoha. He fought back to protect himself when they started to fight at him and didn't actually start the fight himself. He said "There is no alliance. From here on you will obey the leaf and never, ever say that shinobi's name around me.". Why would he say that unless he himself had had an alliance with them to that point? Never the less, two men who weren't even the Tsuchikage at that time probably wouldn't be able to give that much "lunch money" if they didn't even have a village. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 22:25, June 7, 2012 (UTC))

If that were the case, then why go to them when he could have gone straight to the First Tsuchikage? He didn't have anything to do with the First and certainly wasn't scared of him. Or maybe it was because Hashirama wasn't Hokage yet since we know Madara left Konoha after he wasn't chosen. Can't go behind the Hokage's back if there wasn't one yet. But he was still wearing his headband. He was trying to force Mu and Onoki into coming over to Konoha and being its shinobi instead. In other words, he was trying to recruit more powerful ninja for Konoha out his alliance with those two and in doing so, he provoked them and they attacked him because they had chosen Iwagakure. He only fought back in self-defense and didn't actually want to fight. Any chance he had of recruiting them for Konoha was over when they attacked him and he still didn't kill them even though he had them overpowered and could have. That shows some honor since he wouldn't do so for no good reason. But recruiting them is what he wanted to do and was doing it for his village out of loyalty he had at that point. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 23:32, June 7, 2012 (UTC))

Onoki looked the same in that battle as he did in the flashback with the First, minus facial hair. It might have been that the flashbacks with the first came later. Him being dead already really doesn't seem that likely. Besides Madara wouldn't have gone there if Hashirama had already been Hokage. And the Hokage was the first Kage founded. Madara was still wearing his headband when he went there to Mu and Onoki and still implied he had an alliance with them. The words he chose aren't only capable of implying he wanted to to break the alliance between their villages. I'm not saying any of this as a fact nor am I saying that his actions were perfect, but that he was doing what he was doing out of his way of loyalty to Konoha and that he showed some honor trying to talk rather than straight-up force them to "bow down" to Konoha and still didn't kill them when he could have after they had tried to kill him. That is a certain, admittedly unusual form of honor. A lesser-seen one. Understand? The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 00:11, June 8, 2012 (UTC))

I didn't say Onoki wasn't old enough to grow facial hair and he just didn't really look much different to me at first accept for that. Do recall I didn't say anything as a fact. I stated I wasn't. Madara defected from Konoha after Hashirama became Hokage because he wasn't willing to be beneath him. He wouldn't go there to get them to bow down to Konoha if it was being ruled by his rival. Hashirama wasn't Hokage yet, or Madara wouldn't have gone there at all and that indicates that there might not have been a First Tsuchikage at that point or an alliance between Iwa and Konoha. He threw his forehead protector away after he defected and he defected right after Hashirama became Hokage. He wasn't threatening them. He wasn't using even slightly threatening words. His facial expression was always like that. He was trying to boss them around and didn't fight them until they attacked him first, only fought back to protect himself, and still didn't kill them when they were helpless to stop him from doing so. Maybe he did have an antagonistic role, but he showed an unusual sense of honor. But if it will make you happy, I'll just add that his honor was when he wanted to protect the Uchiha before they turned on him believing that Hashirama might oppress them. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 01:16, June 8, 2012 (UTC))

about susanoo
are you guys sure about susanoo's parent jutsus ? it is said 2 mangekyo sharingan power, not especialy amaterasu or tsukuyomi !

User Rights
Cerez-senpai, just so I'm clear on this, you gave me new user rights? Are we talking about being a mod or just a rollback function? I was surprised when I saw you gave me new user rights when I checked my e-mail, but thank you. :)-- Ninja Sheik  18:24, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * You were most likely given rollback rights since you undo a lot of vandalism revisions here, so you obviously deserve the rollback status :) --Speysider Talk Page 18:25, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, well, okay! Thank you for the compliment and clearing that up. :)-- Ninja Sheik  18:26, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Spinoff articles
Er, forgot completely, why can't you just copy the ova template and use it on the spinoff pages? — S im A nt 20:55, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * it really doesn't matter what the template is named, as long as it is used in a way that is appropriate. — S im A nt 00:19, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * the category isn't part of the template. — S im A nt 12:35, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, just create a category "Rock Lee something Chapters" and put that category inside Category:Media. — S im A nt 12:50, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

a little help request
hey cerez-senpai, i've been thinking about cataloging my RPG characters(among other characters of mine)in a wiki-like manner(no copywright intended, this is just for self-entertainment for lack of better term)but what application would i use for that?, google docs is the only one i can think of, but can that display the character pics in the same manner as a wiki?, advice friend? --Caseather (talk) 04:20, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Re: TFK
Why does he always edit the Madara article and why is he so fascinated about adding random things that are so unrelated to the article ? :/ --Speysider Talk Page 13:48, June 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm just asking for your opinion, don't need to be "rude" about it :/ --Speysider Talk Page 13:52, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Re- Madara Uchiha- The greatness of his Susanoo
I said than any other known Susanoo and Itachi's had a sealing power and was able to cut through a giant snake of flesh and bone which was softer than a mountain. Mountains are solid rock and are much hard. Neither Sasuke or Itachi were shown to have power like Madara's. Sasuke only being able to cut through pillars and stabs into stone while Madara obliterated mountains. Hes the strongest for a reason. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 12:51, June 12, 2012 (UTC))

I beg to differ. If you go back and watch Sasuke's fight with Danzo, you can see his Susanoo's offensive power is less than Madara's His incomplete Susanoo's blade was able to slash through pillers at full and only managed to stab its arrows into a stone bridge much smaller that a mountain up to the arrowhead and didn't travel through the bridge. The bridge is not as strong as a mountain. You can poke into skin with your finger. Orochimaru's Eight Branhes was a flesh and bone construct softer than stone or a mountain. Madara's Susanoo's offensive power is factually stronger that anything we've seen anybody else's Susanoo do. Thats why I said KNOWN Susanoo. Known being a key word. I'm not saying Sasuke doesn't have one like Madara's, but I don't think he does because he has shown a finalized form of Susanoo with a shroud and hood(which seems to be a finishing touch of a Susanoo user's Susanoo) since gaining his Eternal mangekyo Sharingan and Madara didn't show one like that until his Perfect Susanoo. The one he used before that only had armour. No shroud and hood. This is is probably Madara's finalized Susanoo. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 13:21, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

So you can't use Kishimoto's series itself to provide factual information? The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 13:38, June 12, 2012 (UTC))

I don't get it then. How was I wrong saying it was the strongest known Susanoo when it is the only one that has been shown to be as powerful as a tailed beast and to be able to smash through a mountain? You say its more than possible, but all I said was that its power was greater than anything we've seen another Susanoo do. How was I wrong when I said that? The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 13:58, June 12, 2012 (UTC))

He did more than that. He completely smashed an entire mountain to pieces, sliced two others in half, and overpowered and repelled all five Kage instantly. The power of theirs might be great, but do you really think that in one attack, either of them could do all that? The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 14:11, June 12, 2012 (UTC))

I have another reason for thinking Madara's is stronger than theirs. Madara's Perfect Susanoo is much bigger than theirs and therefore is made up of more chakra than theirs is. If thats the case, how can theirs possibly be as stron as his when his has more chakra and therefore more power behind its attacks? Maybe Madara would be able to use Perfect Susanoo at this point if he were alive and drug the battle on, but his has all that chakra that makes it as strong as a tailed beast. The fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 14:37, June 12, 2012 (UTC))

Wrong, his perfect Susanoo is tailed beast size, lower half or not, it would still be much larger than theirs is. Madara is seen standing inside the head and looks like a pimple. If their is more chakra in Madara's perfect Susanoo, then how can either of them have one as strong as his? The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 15:38, June 12, 2012 (UTC))

I'm saying that because that Susanoo is so huge, theres got to be a lot of chakra in it to make up its form. Thats why I think his Susanoo is stronger than theirs because its so much bigger. And he is like a pimple on its forehead. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 15:53, June 12, 2012 (UTC))

Izuna edit
I thought it was mentioned somewhere that he has awakened MS second to Madara--Elveonora (talk) 13:07, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

I see, thanks. Must be made-up by Madara's fanboys/girls then--Elveonora (talk) 13:50, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

what do you think ? ; D
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/112/0/1/izuna_uchiha___tobi____by_narutocolor-d4x6bd8.jpg

Who is your guess ? I think there's no doubt it's Izuna--Elveonora (talk) 14:06, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

It's not about the mask, but eyes and expression are pretty similar to those of Izuna. Well, Izuna has a profile and a motive. Even though ur not one of those that kill their braincells over who Tobi is ... what choice of Kishi's would disappoint you ?--Elveonora (talk) 16:16, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

So you think Tobi is an Uchiha version of Yamato/Zetsu ? O_O Actually you would be surprised how many connections there are between Tobi and Izuna, I can think at least of 30. I don't like "Tobi being Madara's clone" idea ... it's too cliche and not satisfying. Clones are supposed to be exact copies of the original, but Tobi appears to be kinda different than Madara as personality, appearance and powers goes. Also it appears they know each other and were working together .. I don't think Tobi wants to or has betrayed Madara, quite the opposite ... more like Kabuto sided with Madara to plot against Tobi ... Madara mentions that things do not appear to go according to the plan (Tobi was more than likely supposed to revive Madara with Nagato's Rinna Tensei).

Tobi/Izuna has reason to use Madara's persona:


 * Izuna is mostly unknown to the world or forgotten ... everyone remembers only Madara's name.
 * Madara was the "superior" one to Izuna, clan's leader and elder brother.
 * Tobi considers Madara's power his own.
 * An Uchiha's power is the Sharingan eyes ... without Izuna's eyes, Madara would not regain sight, power and not have fought Hashirama after that point due to blindness.
 * Tobi have said that "Madara" gave Nagato the Rinnegan (supported but not confirmed as Madara knows his existence) he also told Kabuto (who is apparently aware of his identity) that Nagato's eyes were originally his.
 * This would go well: Izuna gives Madara eyes to form EMS > Madara unlocks Rinnegan from them by unknown means > gives them to Nagato > Izuna takes his eyes back.
 * If I had bought a lottery ticket. have signed it and gave it to you ... and you would have won ... I could ask you for a profit ... Just believe for a sec that Tobi is Izuna (thus alive) and he has all rights to consider "Madara's EMS/Rinnegan his own as it were his eyes that have saved him.
 * Madara signed a truce with Hashirama Senju ... so Izuna has sacrificed his life and eyes for nothing, Tobi mentions the same thing (and has a weird reaction)
 * Uchiha Clan has forced their leader Madara to do that. so Tobi/Izuna's hate towards Konoha and the reason for he had a hand in helping Itachi with the execution of the clan is justified.
 * Tobi's hair, expression, eyes, height and weight are pretty similar to those of Izuna.
 * Izuna and Madara were equal back in the day, no other Shinobi can run around with Madara's name and perform comparable feats than his brother.

These are just the major points, there are much more "trivial" evidences as well--Elveonora (talk) 17:02, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

I see xD If Tobi isn't Izuna and is Obito, then before I jump of a cliff, I will make Kishi eat his manga :D years of time lost reading manga for nothing O_O--Elveonora (talk) 18:02, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

http://www.narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=200993 http://www.narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=200896 opinion ?--Elveonora (talk) 15:39, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

It's an older one posted again recently and updated. Actually call me crazy, but I believe it's true and find the idea great .... it would make me really happy. But there comes the age issue ... Tsunade is likely 55 by now and Naruto 17. We don't know how old has Minato died ... but let's say 23 ... would be around 40 by now, so Tsunade had him around 15 before she actually met Dan. Too bad it's unlikely ... sounds epic to me. Theory about Nagato ... he is actually son of Madara Uchiha and Mito Uzumaki ... Hashirama got cheated--Elveonora (talk) 20:47, June 16, 2012 (UTC)