Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180907013220

CombatIQmatters wrote: @Hagoromo

Claim is that in the last kurama gathered the sage chakra while kurama was "stationary" inside of naruto's body, and kurama then gave it to naruto, allowing him to enter KSM. This claim attempts to debunk the idea that when kurama gives him nature energy, there is no pigmentation, by citing the pigmentation shown in the movie. The supplementary claim is that naruto was on the move, and thus was not standing still when the energy was transfered to him, and thus he did not gather the energy

I attempt to challenge this claim by citing chapter 3 of gaiden, where it appears naruto entered sage mode while running and without kurama's help. The lack of a cloak and the lack of the vertical slit should prove he isn't using kurama's chakra there, but I also haven't seen a precedent for kurama gathering chakra for him while naruto isn't using his cloak. The only other time we see kurama definitely doing it is during the fight with sasuke, where kurama, in avatar form, was sitting still and gathering nature energy. You nailed it. Naruto was running and shown entering sage mode. Paired with his feat in the last, it should be clear that Naruto was the one gathering the nature energy in those instances.

Littlegen wrote: LegionZero wrote:

Hagoromo and Hamura used 6 Paths Senjutsu to defeat the 10 Tails. So its not a Kaguya ability.

Then I'm calling it flat out wrong.

There aren't other ways to create Chakra. Even between Sage Mode, Sage Transformation, and The Curse Mark, the origin is all the same, Natural Energy infusing with Chakra. And Kaguya's Chakra is the source of Six Paths Senjutsu.

Naruto doesn't collect Natural Energy to enter Six Paths Sage Mode. Madara who HAS Six Paths Chakra had taken Hashirama's Sage Chakra and did not enter Six Paths Sage Chakra.

The only described way of attaining Six Paths Senjutsu is attaining the power of Kaguya or the Nine-Tailed Beasts.

So yeah, I'm willing to call the Data books wrong. And possibly "THE LAST" in regards of Hamura if they never explain how he attains Six Paths Senjutsu. I agree that LegionZero' claim is wrong. The fact that Hamura' Rikudo senjutsu source was never explained, and that his power led to toneri' own who can spawn TSOs to a spammable degree, claiming the juubi' power wasn't involved is both wrong and unproven. On top of that he's unable to cite a different source of that power, so it's moot regardless.