Talk:Naruto Shippūden: Ultimate Ninja Storm Generations

English Subtitles?
Anyone know where to buy the game in Japanese language but with English Subtitles? 99.235.44.100 (talk) 19:38, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

What are you talking about? The game already does that, just like in the first one. You can choose to play with either Japanese or English dialogue. --MrGreenBeanz (talk) 07:11, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

The game isn't out yet in any territory. Skitts (talk) 19:51, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

86.164.23.177 (talk) 16:01, February 4, 2012 (UTC)Tobi 16 or 17 years ago playable with chains http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxltYIJ4WgE&feature=g-u-u&context=G2cf42cfFUAAAAAAABAA

Why is Shizune under playable characters and not support only ? (24.175.180.156 (talk) 03:01, February 11, 2012 (UTC)) yomama

Is this game gonna have madara, muu and the jinchurriki and the other guys from the impure world resurrection? That'd be sick.--76.92.243.71 (talk) 18:32, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

If we knew, it'd be in the article, ergo, we don't know. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:30, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

Kabuto Yakushi & Kabutomaru
The hooded Kabuto with Orochimaru's remains (the one teamed with Tobi), or as fans like to call him "Kabutomaru", has been confirmed in a recent scan LeeHatake93 (talk) 06:17, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Link for kabutomaru scan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC6Y6yXDZxc&feature=g-u-u&context=G2e8e895FUAAAAAAAAAA Kieran Fizzyman Alexis (talk) 08:03, February 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, but "Kabutomaru" is not an official name. There needs to be a more generic term for him post operation/assimilation.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 09:08, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Here's a link for even more confirmation that Kabuto (with Orochimaru's cells) is playable in this game: http://www.saiyanisland.com/2012/02/kabutomaru-confirmed-playable-in-naruto-generations/

Confusion
this list of characters and forms are confusing. --Nikon23 06:32, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Take your time, article's not going anywhere.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 10:36, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Japanese Audio, English Subtitles?
I know someone has already asked, but the answer wasn't clear. Does anyone know if this game will be released with Japanese Audio and English Subtitles? One of the answers said there will be an option in the game, but which version? Also, where is the evidence that it will continue this "tradition" with this new game? A link would help! 99.235.44.100 (talk) 16:00, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think so. At least in the previews, there have been many videos of fights that clearly have Japanese audio and English subtitles. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:05, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

It should have the option to switch the voices to Japanese. BOth of the previous games had this feature and it wouldn't make any sense to not continue the tradition. 69.29.133.12 (talk) 17:39, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Demo
Just a random question, but why doesn't this page mention the demos of the game? The Japanese demo released Jan 25 2012, I believe. The North American demo releases today and I think the European one released around February 15th or so. I'm not sure. 69.29.133.12 (talk) 17:37, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * They are mentioned. Near the end of the first paragraph in the development section. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:42, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yea i try to keep the page as updated as possible ^.^ the only thing i dont know is the release for the European demo...all they said was sometime in February but it might be today along with the North American one...i dont know though just a guess XaleraUchiha (talk) 18:43, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of the North American demo, does anyone on here have it yet? I've looked on the Playstation Store and haven't seen it all day. any ideas of when they'll post it? LeeHatake93 (talk) 00:24, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Nope and we will have it whenever Sony decides to update the PSN, which i heard it probably wont be until late XaleraUchiha (talk) 00:34, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

It's up for Xbox Live, don't know about PSN. --Zuuzuu (talk) 17:16, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Full Nine-tails?
There is a rumor that Naruto can be played in his full Nine-tails mode. Not the initial one, but the real one. You know, the one that's bigger than the Hokage Monument.--Naruto 713 (talk) 02:33, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I apologise in advance. Common sense should tell you that something Naruto just achieved in the manga is certain not to appear in the game. The only thing about the Nine-Tails that big so far is in Tobi's ultimate. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:55, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

At the latest, they'll only reach Confining the Jinchuriki, which means no Bijuu Mode Naruto. Naruto is playable in his intitial Nine-Tails Chakra Mode and Masked Man/Tobi summons the Nine-Tails for his ultimate, but there's no Bijuu Mode. I bet Namco and CC2 are saving them for Storm 3. LeeHatake93 (talk) 04:39, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Madara Uchiha
Hi, just leaving the source for the new character in Ninja Storm Generations, Madara Uchiha. I went to the gamestop website for the pre-order details and it contains a list of confirmed characters. After Danzo, it states that Madara Uchiha is playable.

Sincerely, AlexVK1

It would be nice if you left a direct link as well. Found it. Nice try but no go. http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/games/naruto-shippuden-ultimate-ninja-storm-generations/92853#productDetails Its in the comments section. Sorry but someone posting a character list in the comments section isn't going to work. The comment is by agentvj233 posted on feb 11th. Customer comments are not reputable sources.Umishiru (talk) 05:50, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

They were probably just talking about the Masked Man when they said it 107.8.107.124 (talk) 11:08, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, they aren't a reputable source anyway.Umishiru (talk) 03:17, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Confirmed: No Madara Uchiha
This link confirms it, and this guy is pretty trustworthy with any and all information he provides. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK1KFErVNrQ&feature=channel sorry, Madara fans. Looks like we'll just have to wait for Storm 3 to be able to play as this Uchiha since the bottom two rows are support only LeeHatake93 (talk) 13:12, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Interesting video showed up
Someone send me this. I doubt it's real, what do you guys think? Seelentau 愛議 19:16, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's actually from the game. It was widely advertised that the game would contain 60+ minutes of animations by Studio Pierot (don't know if I spelled their name right), who makes the anime. While it's not fake, I don't think it should be considered canon, not until some official source says they got the content that was animated by Kishimoto. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:24, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow... it looks nice, though. Could believe we're gonna see this in the Anime, too. Anyway, thanks for the answer :) Seelentau 愛議 19:57, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Wow i have been waiting like the entirety of naruto for just a glimsp at their fight that was epic now lets see it on a fully grand scale. --Zenryoku90 (talk) 22:14, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Masked Man/Tobi
i dont know why but this has been annoying me.....why to people keep calling Masked Man Serious Tobi? I thought Tobi is a cover up for Madara which comes WAY after Masked Man's time.....im highly confused o.O 107.8.107.124 (talk) 03:08, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest you to read the manga ;) Seelentau 愛議 15:18, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Masked Man is Tobi. Madara Uchiha is someone completely different 69.29.133.12 (talk) 17:38, February 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * SPOILER* Ok cause ive only recently gotten back into reading the manga and i just finished the part where Madara talked to Pain and Konan about Sasuke's sharingan in the Rain Village and he had the same mask as tobi and i was all like wtf 107.8.107.124 (talk) 19:23, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Keep on reading, your a long way to finding what is going on.Umishiru (talk) 19:49, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Madara Filler Fight
I just noticed some with the Japanese version of the game have started uploaded parts of the game to Youtube. One in particular of the filler animation: Madara vs Hashirama. Even if the link is removed, I want to know how ware we going to handle these Storm Generations only ova like fillers? Will we give them individual articles, make an article with all of them on it with each battle given a summary, or a summary for each in this page.Umishiru (talk) 21:25, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Those are anime style cutscenes made exclusively for the games story mode. They are not ova.--Deva 27 21:34, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Regardless we need to decide what to do with them. Just got done watching it and it showed Madara using Wind release with his fan. Should we list it on the character page as having wind release but game only or anime only?Umishiru (talk) 21:36, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * We don't list game natures and techniques in the infobox. Its also not from the actual anime, so it shouldn't be listed. It was made only for the game.--Deva 27 21:41, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * But we did so for the Storm 1 game OVA.Umishiru (talk) 21:42, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * But wasn't that actually advertised as an OVA? I don't think an OVA article is necessary, because otherwise we'd have many other OVA articles, though I see no harm in mentioning the new stuff where it's appropriate, such as techniques and their users, or how the valley of the end was formed and all. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:35, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, i mean they wouldnt put anything new in for a character if Masashi Kishimoto didnt agree with it, so i say we add it in for Madara XaleraUchiha (talk) 23:43, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Until such time that we can more accurately define how much influence certain parties had in this content, I agree with Deva 27, in that we regard and treat it in the same manner as game only content. Blackstar1 (talk) 00:17, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * @XaleraUchiha Considering they have the license to produce the games based on the series, I highly doubt they have to go to Kishimoto for things like that. The anime teams add/change random stuff in the series too, contradicting things that Kishimoto said in the series. Anyway, I'm with Deva and Blackstar1. Skitts (talk) 00:25, February 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok i agree with you on the licensing thing, though i still say it should be added XaleraUchiha (talk) 00:28, February 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I managed to find some information on this topic, taken from an interview with Hiroshi Matsuyama — President and CEO of CyberConnect 2 (the game's developer):
 * "In particular, the developers and animation studios have worked very closely together to create new content that will be considered canon, which adds up to around sixty minutes of additional anime content." —
 * Keep in mind that this could be little more than Matsuyama's opinion, as the article makes no direct note of either Studio Pierrot's or, more importantly, Kishimoto's stance on the matter. Blackstar1 (talk) 00:34, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Are not those cards directly from Kishi ? : P If it's not canon then they went too far with this. I'm for "in anime only" thing --Elveonora (talk) 17:46, February 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok TheUltimaet3's chiming in. After sitting down and watching at the First vs Madara battle, I can honestly say that it was like one of those "bonus material" found on DVDs. The quality was superb, nothing contradicted what we already know. It was very very good. And based on entirely what I can find, these additions or expansions as they appear to be are more in vain of Anime additions. So if what I want goes through, how do you set the bar?


 * 1) Things that appear in the anime OVA would count as anime and thus "Anime Only".
 * 2) Things that appear in the game proper it would count as "Game Only" and kept out of infobox.
 * 3) Information from the OVAs that don't contradict what was seen can be added, with the disclaimer, "In game released OVA" or something of that fashion.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~  18:27, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure we should consider this sequence as anime. It was anime-style, but still pertaining the game. That OVA with 3D graphics, that was released as anime with game look, but we still consider it anime don't we? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:40, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I think it should be treated as an OVA. If a longer more detailed version appears later in anime as an "extension arc" then it should be taken as filler. --Elveonora (talk) 18:54, February 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Basically how I felt from it, Elveonora. The Madara one played out exactly as Tobi said, just instead of a single frame of Nine-Tails vs the First it was an actual fight. Not that any of that have to be mentioned in the article proper as "They fought" pretty much covers the entire thing.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 19:50, February 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * My problem with that is if that's done, then wouldn't things done there have to be accounted for as anime content? It's good and all that they spent time on the stuff and didn't deviate too much from the expected in the Hashirama vs Madara but what if they do in others :s I believe that we should treat the content through the medium it came so anything from this would be "game only", If it's that pressing we could have a section in the game article about the shorts.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 20:19, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I think it should be clasfified as anime only not game only. It's made by the animation guys and it follows canon pretty closely other than that the Hashirama vs Madara fight is "expanded" and the redone scenes with Haku, Jiraiya etc. lacks blood and much of the gore. --Elveonora (talk) 22:10, February 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Before we continue this discussion further, does someone have a list of the battles shown in this game, and by shown I mean in anime format.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 23:34, February 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * We would need someone who has the japanese version, but if someone doesnt then i can put up a list when i get mine on the 13th XaleraUchiha (talk) 23:42, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * There's a post in saiyanisland with links to unlisted videos at youtube (those you can only watch if you have the link), with several of those scenes, all in 1080p. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:49, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I also think they need to be used and classified as anime only, like the OVA 4 Finally a clash! Jōnin vs. Genin!! Indiscriminate Grand Melee Tournament Meeting!! who was come with the game Naruto: Narutimate Hero 3.

In addition, they don't deviate too much from the manga and expand on some things we will probably never see, like Harashima vs Madara. Light-Revan (talk) 22:08, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wasn't that OVA adapted into or out of the game? Because I know they aired/débuted as two completely different things. Also unlike that OVA these cutsceneses have way more potential to influence the information here. I say call a spade a spade something in the game cannot be "anime".--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 22:18, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

"cannot be anime", but it is -> Anime = a Japanese style of motion-picture animation. "more potential to influence the information here"? Have you seen these videos at least? They are mostly redone scenes, with 2 or 3 featuring something new that don't contradict the manga.

We can use the informations and images of scenes that never was seen before like Harashima vs Madara or Team Minato. For the other redone scenes that contradict both the manga and anime, we have just to ignore them.

It would be silly to miss out on something that was produced by Studio Pierrot who has the right of the anime series. 82.234.21.94 (talk) 00:15, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

It might have been produced by them, but to compliment the video game, which is the lowest canon tier there is. These segments were shown in the video game, and therefore are considered part of the video game. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:43, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * After more reading, I agree and still maintain my opinion to regard this as game only content, unless an actual manga or anime scene corroborates them. These new additions appear to be simply a mechanic to allow the game to establish battles/stories that aren't so focused upon either Naruto or Sasuke, as well as to appease and satisfy the fans — something which is quoted throughout the articles I've read. I'll have no problem if these scenes are eventually proven to be canon, but I don't think there is any great loss in postponing their inclusion for now. Blackstar1 (talk) 01:02, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

It remains that it is part of the canon of the anime series since they were created by them, and that they don't contradict the manga and anime in the new scenes.

Also, the new content will be considered canon from Studio Pierrot and Hiroshi Matsuyama (CEO of CyberConnect2), whose Kishimoto has a lot of respect for CyberConnect2 and everything around (message from Masashi Kishimoto poster with the collector edition of Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 2), source here ->. 82.234.21.94 (talk) 01:17, February 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Bull. If it doesn't come from Kishimoto, it's not canon, and that name is nowhere in that article. All that article talks about is a collaboration between the video game makers and the studio which makes the anime. Nothing about Kishimoto whatsoever. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:35, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

I think you guys have misinterpreted what I was trying to say. I was asking how were we going to put the fight from the game in wiki. As for the ova classification, I was just pointing out how we dealt with past game only specials. Whether or not this classified as game only or anime, I do not care. I just wanted to know how this was going to be recorded down.Umishiru (talk) 08:17, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * "If it doesn't come from Kishimoto"?? We talk about the anime, not the paper manga! Fillers are canon in the anime and they don't come from Kishimoto. They're treated as such here and I don't see why something coming from Studio Pierrot which makes the anime stated to be canon in the anime would not be treated as such too. Iruka-dono (formerly 82.234.21.94) (talk) 14:03, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

@Umishiru: There was no misinterpretation and the animation content from the game will definitely still be included on the wiki, however, what form that inclusion takes is entirely dependent upon how we choose to regard it, hence why the issue of game or anime is being discussed to such lengths. Blackstar1 (talk) 14:34, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, well since it came from the game and was not called an OVa, it should be treated as game info. Its basically apart of the game story. Unless we have word from Kishi that he approves of it being canon its no more anime than the Storm 1 Ova and its not an Ova since the point of the fights is to expand the game's story.Umishiru (talk) 17:23, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

"was not called an OVa" - the anime video coming from Naruto: Narutimate Hero 3 was never officially classified as an OVA, but we treated it like this because it was the best thing to do. Kishimoto doesn't decide of what is canon in the anime, it's Studio Pierrot who has the right and decides in this case. Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm has no anime video and its development wasn't related with Studio Pierrot.

Since we don't advance, here is the situation with a neutral point of view.

We have one proof of that the content is treated as canon by both Hiroshi Matsuyama (CEO of CyberConnect2) and Studio Pierrot who has the right of the anime. We have no proof that this content is treated as non-canon.

So, the content should be treated as canon (as long as it doesn't contradict the anime) until we find an official source proving otherwise. This is how it works in a decent society when everyone doesn't agree. Iruka-dono (talk) 17:59, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Is that the one with game like 3D graphics? Wasn't released around the time of the game, but still before the game was released, sort of to entice people to buy the game? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:08, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

@Iruka-dono. huh? I was not talking about Ultimate Ninja 3. I was talking about Storm 1. And yes if you didn't know there was a game filler in Storm 1. Look up Kajika. Either way it doesn't matter, none of this stuff from Storm two was organized in a way to be given the ova moniker and was never called one by those who made it. I say its just game content and should be treated as game only. I was saying an individual article that lists(with a summary of each) all of the game only anime scene like fights or a section on the Storm Generations for that.I wasn't not asking about if this is anime or game only, that was the part that was misinterpreted, I was saying how are we going to include it on the wiki refereing back to previous styles of how we did it.Umishiru (talk) 18:48, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ho, you talk about Naruto: The Cross Roads. It is an OVA actually, since it was released for and first seen during the Jump Festa, like all "normal" OVA of any animes. Iruka-dono (talk) 19:06, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

You don't get what I am saying. Nvm, just keep the conversation among your selves. I have moved on to something else anyway.Umishiru (talk) 19:14, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Kajika is from Naruto: The Cross Roads and Naruto: The Cross Roads is an OVA for the reason above. The rest of your message "how include the content of Naruto Shippūden: Ultimate Ninja Storm Generations anime on the wiki" doesn't concern me actually, I already written above my opinion about this. Iruka-dono (talk) 19:23, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Your opinion was one big misinterpretation that didn't help any at all. Since you don't care why bother posting at all since what you don't care about is the topic of the thread itself.Umishiru (talk) 19:40, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

I care about that issue, I just hate to repeat myself. Iruka-dono (talk) 20:16, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Repeat a useless point. For now, lets just stop this before it turns into flamming.Umishiru (talk) 20:18, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Naruto's Leaf, Sasuke's Leaf
Like in the previous game (Storm 2), both Naruto and Sasuke are symbolized by two drifting leaves, one whole and the other with a small cut respectively. In Naruto's story, the leaf floats into the bright sky, in Sasuke's story, the leaf sinks into the water where it eventually disintegrates.

Besides, during storm 2, Sasuke's leaf dropped into the water and then it sank. In generarations we actually see the leaf go deeper into the dark waters before it is destroyed. I have to wonder about the symbolism or maybe a clue about the future.--Kai Maciel (talk) 10:41, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Story
The Story is covered through the point of view of 8-9 characters: Naruto Uzumaki, Young Naruto, Zabuza and Haku, Itachi, Kakashi, Tobi, Minato, and I'm not sure who the last one is as my source PS360HD2 hasn't unlocked it yet, Here's the link for the Madara vs Hashirama story scene, with the list of characters shown at the very beginning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRW2XiCbWQA&feature=channel LeeHatake93 (talk) 19:45, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

There is actually 10. And you are wrong, the characters are Naruto Uzumaki (part 1 and 2 ) , Sasuke Uchiha , Killer Bee , Gaara , Jiraiya , Kakashi , Zabuza and Haku , Tobi/Madara , Minato , and Itachi. If you think im wrong go find it at Saiyan Island. (24.175.180.156 (talk) 02:27, February 26, 2012 (UTC))Flap0'Mom69

Oh, ok. I didn't know who the last guy was. Killer Bee, huh? Thanks for saying that. LeeHatake93 (talk) 23:44, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Gaara Part 1
Hey I was wondering if were going to be able to play as gaara with the shukaku, in the young gaara character , because I haven't found anything about it being correct or not ? (24.175.180.156 (talk) 02:31, February 26, 2012 (UTC))Flap0'Mom69
 * Doesn't look possible, and we're not a forum. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:35, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Filler Fights/Stories.
Since we are going to do a section on this article to cover these game only animated fights and stories, I will just leave links to the fights so that people have a reference point.

Gaara's Story: 

Jiraiya's Story:  

Madara Story:  

Minato's Story: 

Sasuke: 

Itachi's Story:  

So all that is left is Shippuden Naruto, Pre-Ship Naruto, Killer Bee, Haku, Zabuza, and Kakashi.Umishiru (talk) 23:18, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Canonicity
Because TheUltimate3 has no desire to add to an already long post with something. Based on the link that was provided above, I'm about to piss a lot of people off something fierce and I except this to be a long winded discussion that will go on stupidly for like week. But I'm bored. And i have an exam I need to study for. And Final Fantasy XIII is ticking me off something fierce.

Now then, this link changes everything. When it was mentioned above, Omnibender responded with "Bull" and that was basically the end of that. This however is the cornerstone of the entire situation. Specifically this part

"In particular, the developers and animation studios have worked very closely together to create new content that will be considered canon"

Added with information such as found here:


 * Over 60 minutes of All-New Animated Content from Studio Pierrot

Ready to hate me yet? No? You wish to still like TheUltimate3? Well time to feed off your hatred and misery.

The sheer fact that Studio Pierrot, the studio that makes the anime, made the animated scenes in the game, they are thus counted Original Video Animations or OVAs (as there is no better name to call them in this fandom).

"But TheUltimate3," you may begin "Kishimoto didn't write them thus they aren't canon!"

Incorrect I say. Well somewhat incorrect. But correct for the right reasons. People have to long looked at it to cut and dry. Kishimoto is high canon. That is obvious, yet people looked at the Anime canon completely wrong. For as long as we remember people looked at the anime as just being there, magically put together through the power of earth and magic and that Kishimoto gave his okay for everything that happens.

Incorrect! But not really. Kishimoto, based off a conversation we've had many moons ago (to long to find, but I can remember it like it was yesterday) our own ShounenSuki said something along the lines of "Kishimoto is generally uninvolved with the anime. They do their thing and as long as they don't completely screw up, it's whatever. But who is "they"? Why that's Studio Pierrot. And that is where the line gets drawn.

You see due to the way we split up canon, Kishimoto and the manga are first. Studio Pierrot and their anime is second. Total game content is third and lowest. And if there is a fourth then it will probably be higher than game. What does this have to do with anything? Simple! Same with Kishimoto's databooks supplementing the manga, OVAs regardless of where they are found if they are made by Studio Pierrot supplement the anime. Doesn't matter if Studio Pierrot made an OVA on the goodness of dental hygiene with Naruto and his friends have an all out brawl with a plague monster known to all as Mega GINGIVITIS. As stupid and utterly ridiculous as that sounds, if it's an OVA designed to compliment the anime, it would be an OVA designed to compliment the anime.

Now the end game of this long winded rant. What does any of this have to do with the article in question. Very little actually. This part could have actually gone in the front and I could delete everything else and not lose this point. We got pictures that illustrate something descriptive. We got pictures that illustrate something descriptive that don't absolutely suck. Use them. The same thing with this forum post about Sasuke's Mangekyo Sharingan. One is good. One sucks. I don't care where it's from. One is good. One sucks.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 17:24, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

And thus why we call you Ultimate.Umishiru (talk) 18:17, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Correction: TheUltimate3.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 18:47, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

I think it should be anime-only canon just like the old guy that's genin for more than 50 years or how they played out Ino being scared of the slug thing during the sealing of turtle and played it out when Pain attacked. Most likely they will make it that when Naruto talks with the hosts, Utakata and Naruto will recognize each other to play along their anime canon. --Elveonora (talk) 21:07, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

So, I think we should move this to a forum possible because of all the discussions going on and then possibly vote on it since there's a lot of views.

@Elevenora. I don't see what Kosuke, or them showing stuff a bit more early in the anime have to do with a situation where animators simply showed stuff a little earlier in the anime O.o? As for Naruto a Utakata, that'll obviously happen to hold up the story.... It still doesn't affect manga canon stuff.

It's great an all that the animators worked with game creators to enhance the gaming experience since this one looks like probably the best one yet. But as a purist I believes that a spade should be called a spade. It's more more clear cut lines in documenting information either way.--Cerez365™ 03:25, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * A spade is a spade and an OVA is an OVA. Don't matter where it's presented. That was the point of my 3 paragraph rambling above. --TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~


 * I agree, this stuff is definitely OVA and we should treat is as such XaleraUchiha (talk) 11:03, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

But at the same time... If the animators came out and said they were going to collaborate with the game creators and have them create a character or do a fight-scene or something similar to this for them that was shown in the anime, is that game only content? That's why I feel that it should stay in whatever medium it's presented.--Cerez365™ 13:21, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * That actually opens up the second phase of my argument Cerez. It's that, by the whole we do not think logically. Oh we used to, such as our convictions about the many Advanced Nature releases. But at some point we've become too rigid.


 * Logically speaking an anime cutscene for an in game battle is an anime cutscene for an in game battle ala the cutcenes of Persona 3. Cutscenes that show bonus things, such as the battles already shown, like the one between the First and Madara are anime OVAs. Staying in the "medium it's presented" is as I said, rigid. It saves us the effort of having to think but costs us a wealth of new and interesting information. This had been on my mind since Kishimoto revealed the nine jinchuriki and we had the glorious battle of wills trying to figure out if Fu was a woman. Nobody questioned if Yagura was a female, but oh lordy Fu lacks breasts "he" can't possibly be female. At some point people started grasping at straws to save them the effort of thinking and just goes cut and dry.


 * Seemingly Unimportant, but another critical part of this discussion.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 13:53, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Keeping in theme with everything said, i find it very difficult (or maybe my faith in humanity is too damn high) that they (animators and game creators) would put themselfs through the trouble of making this and have it not considered canon especially since they would have an immense gain if it is. Ever since the concept of the Hashirama vs Madara battle appeared fans have been drooling and clawing to get any scrap of information of it, by which if adding a portion of it into an OVA would instantly increase sales, etc making it a good sales choice. Plus it's not like the other OVA's that are just that random collection of created and old images from the anime, it's coherent story of history of the Senju and the Uchiha and the battle between their leaders which mostly makes sense (except how Hashirama blocked that Tailed Beast Ball, i call bullshit on that one, sorry, personal opinions xD). Plus even though Kishimoto isn't fully involved in this, if the creators want to consider it canon, they should at least give him a heads up, ask an opinion/"seal of approval" since he is the creator of the series, he has to be slightly involved in anything considered canon. Any more opinions? Darksusanoo (talk) 14:25, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Although I have said my opinion above, this topic seems to come perfectly for settle the issue, and I will add some additional thought compared to my previous message.


 * They are parts of the anime series since it is stated as anime canon and thus part of it, and should be treated as such. Also, for the techniques, there is no reason to put them as "game only", and therefore treat them as non-canon, where the event of Valley of the End shown in it, which is distributed in the same way, is treated as anime canon.


 * Since I have the game, I can say that every techniques shown in the UNSG anime content like the Water Release: Rain Water Shark Wave don't appear in any character movesets, and therefore in the game.


 * For the canonicity, you, me or others people here have no authority on the paper manga or the anime to stated if something is canon or non-canon. We have one proof of that the content is treated as canon in the anime. We have no proof that this content is treated as non-canon. So, the content should be treated as anime canon (as long as it doesn't contradict it) until we find an official source proving otherwise. Iruka-dono (talk) 15:44, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

@Cerez, my point was that anime has it's own "semi-canon" like Naruto knowing Utakata, Ino being aware of Katsuyu even before Pain attacked, Kosuke's appearance in multiple filler episodes thus he is "anime canonical character" or similar stuff is Anko receiving Cursed Seal ... Kishimoto has never shown in manga nor told through databook how and when Anko received the Cursed Seal ... only anime did it thus until Kishimoto himself reveals it, it's canon in terms of anime. Similary, we have never seen the battle of Madara and Hashirama, animators made that up, so unless Kishi shows us the "real" version, it should stay as canonical to anime. Remember, there are people that are not reading the manga, just watching anime ... so if you told them "oh, thats not canon because it never appeared in manga from Kishimoto" they would get confused and even in denial because the only source of canon they know is the anime. Thus simply putting in the articles "in anime-only, it was shown how the fight between Madara and Hashirama went on and how it resulted in creation of the final valley" would be the best choice in my opinion.

The animators themselves treat it as canon ... as long as it does not contradicts manga canon, it should stay as anime canon. --Elveonora (talk) 16:20, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Any more opinions on this subject? Darksusanoo (talk) 21:23, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that if we're going to count the OVA is anime, we must do so rather selectively. There were many other scenes depicting stuff that actually happened in the manga and in the anime that was completely changed. For example, when Jiraiya dies. That was supremely toned-down. Violent scenes in general were either avoided or rewritten. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:57, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh but of course Omnibender. That's why I use the words "logically" quite a few times. Let the conversations between people continue! My third and probably final statement awaits! And it will be glorious! Glorious I say! Ha ha ha ha ha!--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 21:59, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well since the fact that as far as we know so far the OVA of the Madara/Hashirama battle doesn't conflict with any other canon source, the elements of the battles (techniques, etc) should be added...with a anime-only note of course, until other material surfaces...Darksusanoo (talk) 22:35, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

@Omni, the scenes were toned down most likely due to game's rating I guess. Like no blood, Jiraiya had no hand removed and was killed differently. And no swords piercing Zabuza's back. Other than that, it's the same. --Elveonora (talk) 02:30, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Soo...what now? Do we add the extra information on Madara and Hashirama, or is there still someone with another opinion? Darksusanoo (talk) 17:17, March 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * There isn't anything to add anywhere to be honest. As I stated much earlier, "They fought" covers the entire First and Madara thing.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 20:36, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm reffering to the techniques they showed in it...Hashirama using swords and the contract seal, Madara blowing away a bunch of ninja with his gunbai, those things. Darksusanoo (talk) 21:11, March 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh that. Anime Only tag where appropriate. If the discussion has in fact reached it's conclusion.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 21:15, March 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Seems to be the case, isn't it? Light-Revan (talk) 21:16, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah that's what i was going on...if anyone has other opnions? Darksusanoo (talk) 21:21, March 1, 2012 (UTC)

Japanese Audio, English Subtitles (Part II)
So it's been a week since the Japanese release of the game, and I'm pretty sure atleast one of the admins bought this version. Can you (or anyone else) tell me if the JAPANESE version of the game will have the option to switch to Japanese Audio WITH English Subtitles? I've heard that the previous Ultimate Ninja games had this option, but I never purchased those. So all I'm wondering is, which version (Japan, US or Europe) do I purchase in order to play the game with the ORIGINAL Japanese dub AND English Subtitles? 99.235.44.100 (talk) 21:08, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think any admin buys Naruto games. I don't own neither an X-box nor a Playstation of any kind. All I know about Naruto games is what I can find online. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:57, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I plan to purchase it once released in the U.S. Until then, I'm just spitting in the wind trying to figure crap out.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 22:00, February 29, 2012 (UTC)