Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-6769189-20200705100921/@comment-45444155-20200712143022

Oriondragon181119 wrote: Ninja Of War wrote: @Oriondragon181119

I'll see if I can answer some of your questions from my reasoning:

1) When Naruto first appeared after being revived by Obito, he had the Sage toad-slats with the Kurama-slit eyes, without the toad-eyeshadow. And parried Madara's TSB. That was SPSM without KCM. In the new Boruto Era, Naruto doesn't seem to want to use only SPSM. And prefers to use both SPSM and KCM mode together.

2) As far as I recall, Naruto lost all of his TSB in his final fight against Sasuke.

3) It's said that Ashura got the "body of the sage". Which can be interpreted as chakra reserves, stamina/durability.

4) Probably, for plot purposes/foreshadowing. It's also probably why, Indra's Susanoo is similar to Sasuke's.

5) Idk, but if we logically infer that Madara got Rinnegan from adding Hashirama's chakra to his body. Then going down the other logical path probably adding Indra's cells/chakra to Ashura incarnate would result in SPSM being awakened eventually.

6) It's possible that Hagoromo's influence resulted in a unique mutation for Sasuke's MS. That allows him to use sharingan and Rinnegan at the same time. As recall, Sasuke already received Hashirama's chakra directly, before he confronted Madara the second time.

7) Implied SPSM.

8) Maybe because the Ten-tails has been merged with Kaguya, and Kaguya had it?

9) War cloak?

10) It seems Obito wanted Naruto to become a Pseudo-jinchuriki for the Juubi. Also, he was aware that to initiate a chakra tug-of-war with juubi-Madara, Naruto needed a way to latch on to all the tailed beasts chakra. As was done when Naruto pulled out all the bijuu from Obito, but couldn't latch onto Gyuki and Shukaku's chakra. Also, he possibly postulated that Naruto could awaken SPSM.

1) at battle with Momoshiki Naruto wasn't using any mode and just base mode but used KCM+SPSM but here he should be using SPSM as SPSM can hurt otsusuki. He should have used 1st SPSM and then SPSM+KCM.

2)HE didn't lost the last 3 he had it in manga and in anime until the cloak deactivated due to less chakra. As we have seen the tsb only appear with the war cloak. So SPSM doesn't give tsb the war cloak gives tsb. But if SPSM is SPS then it should have given the tsb when he activated SPSM. SPSM is recognised by the eyes.

3) Chakra reserves and stamina VS Rinnegan/Sharingan doesn't feel right. One has kekkei genkai and other only has chakra and stamina which doesn't help that much. If Hagoromo said both children were equal when the died then Ashura should have more power.

4) Indra's susanoo is similar to Sasuke in anime not in manga because in Manga we never got to see complete image of Indra's perfect susanoo.

5) It's not logical Madara acquired Rinnegan when Indra's and Ashura's chakra got mixed and black zetsu confirms it. Indra's reincarnate gets rinnegan but Ashura's reincarnate gets nothing that's not how equality works.

6) That may be true but again that's a theory and some people don't accept theories here.

7) No SPSM is eyes as those 9 markings appear on Obito's and Madara's back when they become ten tails jinchuriki. And Naruto is only user of SPSM.

8) If Kaguya has it then all otsusuki members should have it but Momoshiki, kinshiki, Urashiki and Ishhiki nooe has it only Kaguya that feels odd to me.

9) the cloak Naruto used in war. The cloak which had yellow colour and Naruto's face was normal. He hasn't used that cloak since war not even against Isshiki.

10)How he knew Naruto will awaken SPSM?

ReweR 1331 wrote: Oriondragon181119 wrote: LegionZero thinks he knows about everything in Naruto but he can't answer some questions that I am theorising about. 1. Why can't Naruto use SPSM without KCM.Bold text 2. Where are his tsb which he didn't lost. 3. What Ashura got from Hagoromo. As Indra got spiritual powers and Ashura got physical powers. Indra got sharingan which is Hagoromo's power as he was the 1st person get Sharingan. 4. Why Ashura and Naruto have same avatar in appearance. 5. What will Ashura's reincarnate get when they combine their chakra with Indra's Chakra. 6. Why only Sasuke got 6 tomoe rinnegan 7. What the 9 markings on back of cloak means. 8. Why Madara and Obito acquired SPS as ten tails doesn't give SPS. 9. Where is Naruto's War claok. 10. Why did Obito did so much to bring Naruto 1st and 8th tails chakra when adding all chakra doesn't crate ten tails by your theory.

1) In the anime version, Ashura used SPS only with his followers. They were helping him with the chakra.  I think it's obvious the same mechanics.  Naruto uses the Nine-Tails chakra as a boost

2) There is a theory that they have been destroyed. You might want to have a 1-9 Tailed Beast chakra.  Naruto is not using them all right now.

3) Indra inherited eyes, spiritual energy and a powerful chakra from Hagoromo. Ashura inherited Hagoromo's body, physical energy and vitality.  All these powers they received from birth...

3.1) If by analogy with Naruto, Ashura received from Hagoromo the chakra 6 paths

4) Where is it the same?

5) Rinnegan and the ability to use SPS (it must be studied)

6) His Rinnegan is the same as Madara's. Tomoe is his Sharingan.  For some reason, he can activate Rinnegan and Sharingan in one eye.

7) 1-9 Tailed Beast

8) I don't get it. Ten-tails - 1-9 Tailed Beast + Demonic Statue of the Outer Path.  Naruto has no chakra statue. 1) then why in war his face wasn't covered and most of his cloak is black and yellow and now its mostly orange. His eyes are orange when fighting Momoshiki. Ashura used wood style with followers he acquired SPS from Hagoromo and he stopped Indra's susanoo sword with tsb. When other gave Ashura their chakra he got wood release.

2) He had 3 in manga and in anime. They didn't appear after the cloak disappeared. In anime he had it until the jutsu collided and same goes for manga. In colour version it is shown perfectly. The tsb only appear with SPSM+KCM cloak used in war and now they don't.

3) Indra receiving Hagoromo's eyes and Spiritual powers while Ashura receives Body and chakra but no SPSM. One gets kekkei genkai and other gets chakra and life force. Life force Vs Kekkei genkai (Sharingan) then Sharingan wins as we have seen Hashirama only defeated Madara with his wood style and Naruto is as strong as Sasuke with Kurama. With only SPSM Sasuke will beat Naruto. Kurama levels the playing field for Naruto while wood style for Hashirama. So Ashura should have something which he acquired by helping others and making Friends like in Anime he acquired wood release.

4) The appearance of 6 hand 3 face is same with Ashura Kurama mode. The colour is also same yellow/orange. The appearance is same he is also holding tsb but they are giant.

5) But Rinnegan can be acquired as stated by black zetsu himself. But SPSM needs to be given and both of these powers are equal that feels odd. Naruto received Hagoromo's chakra same as Sasuke. One got Rinnegan and one acquired SPSM. We all know why Sasuke acquired Rinnegan as Indra's reincarnate acquire Rinnegan when Indras's and Ashura's chakra is mixed to create Hagoromo's chakra. So same thing should happen to Naruto as both children of Hagoromo are equal in power one was genins from start but other became genius with help.

6) I know that.

7) Then why only these 3 have it. Sasuke used tailed beast chakra. Kaguya used it. But only these 3.

8) This question is there because LegionZero thinks ten tails doesn't give SPS. He says SPS doesn't give flight but all SPS users fly. He says SPSM gives flight because it is stated in databook.

Are you not confused by the fact that Indra initially had talent and strength when Ashura received it only after hard training and support of his followers? Originally, there was no equality, because Indra is naturally talented and Ashura is not.

Obito stole Tailed Beast Parts 1 and 8 only so that Naruto could extract all Tailed Beast from Madara.