Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-29965012-20161221055011/@comment-26104757-20161229135831

AsianReaper wrote: Kakashi's reaction speed is enough to react to lack of footing. I mean, look what happened when Kaguya switched dimensions. I doubt Tsunade would have the same presence of mind and be able to save herself and the others.

During her confrontation with Pain, Tsunade had no large-scaled, premeditated knowledge of his next move but was mindful enough to prepare a recovery system that would insure the safety of an entire village. It is because of her 'presence of mind' that Tsunade was able to save not one, not two, but thousands of lives under the minutal assumption that something big was coming. Don't be so sure to disregard Tsunade's mindset, because if the situation was reversed, what could Kakashi have done that Tsunade couldn't? Whether it was Pain or Kaguya, an unexpected turn of events should always be considered given their opponents formidable stature and the obvious power they possess. Where Kakashi acted under a dimensional switch, Tsunade prepared for destruction that would result in a village wide obliteration. I see no merit here supporting Kakashi over Tsunade when it comes to addressing a situation, thinking and then acting, based on their level of mindset and the possible outcome because of it.

This is circumstantial and should be looked at as standardised.

But in a heated battle? I think not.

AsianReaper wrote: Kakashi's once commended abilities? His abilities were commended long before the Sharingan.

Kakashi attained the Sharingan at six. Before that, he graduated as a Genin at the age of five and then Chunin the following year. If a yearly gap between his graduation as Genin to Chunin, being the only year his prowess was demonstrated without the Sharingan, is enough to hold value toward twenty-five years of adapting, refining and developing the Sharingan into his most notable feature as a Shinobi, then by all means, say no more. Unfortunately, this is not the case. You cannot compare one year to twenty-five years as a plausible reference of, equal to or less, power with or without the Sharingan. With the Sharingan, Kakashi was beyond recognition. He was titled because of it. Without it, he is no more than a highly qualified Jonin, where as Tsunade, a Kage. It is his mind that grants him succession over Hokage, not his power, and at this point in his life, he is no match for Tsunade. Even as a Hokage, Tsunade can provide much more for the village in terms of civil judgement, individual strength and village wide protection. Kakashi is at his weakest as a Hokage, where his mind is sought to above all else.

AsianReaper wrote: Also, I don't remember Tsunade specifically getting hit in the heart and surviving. But when Kakashi stabbed Obito in the heart (when he had Hashi healing), Obito wasn't able to regenerate.

I'm not adamant if Tsunade was pierced through the heart, right chest, shoulder blade or collar bone but she definitely endured several mortal bodily slashes from Orochimari. Although it was seemingly life threating, this is the least level of damage Tsunade can accommodate. On the subject of Obito and his healing acquisition, it should be noted that Tsunade is a Senju and Uzumaki, where Obito is not. Although this is a assumption, it is not clear whether her physical endurance, as well as strength, is a production of her Strength of a Hundred Seal and it's chakra properties when these abnormalities exemplify the Senju's inheritance over Hogoromo's body. With the blood-tie of a Uzumaki and their supreme vitality, Tsunade's genetic makeup surpasses not only healing capabilities but also extensive physicality. I believe Obito's body doesn't hold the same durability as hers even though his regeneration capabilities does. It is Tsunade's life force that must be taken to account that differentiates Obito and his.

AsianReaper wrote: If we bring summons into this and not only Kakashi vs Tsunade, I doubt Kakashi would be able to do anything against Katsuya, especially when he's fending off Tsunade. Summons included, I think Tsunade wins.

Of course summons are involved. Always. You do not defy a victory over restrictions. If this is a life or death situation, you will do all in your power to make sure you survive and not your opponent. It is not a 'if' or 'included'. To summon is a technique like any other.

AsianReaper wrote: Kakashi's Sharingan is not needed. Kakashi is a prodigy without it. Without his Sharingan, he loses some predictive abilities. But he gains stamina, stamina that he can fuel his other techniques with. Kakashi is way more versatile.

Without Tsunade's Strength of a Hundred Seal, she was titled a prodigy. Does that make her any less stronger than she is with it? Yes, of course. Tsunade's prowess is more expendable now that she has it, like Kakashi, this is the same. He may be more versatile, but Tsunade is durable enough to endure his attacks, has more chakra that will outlast him, healing properties to succeed severe wounds, a summon of complete and import use, fairly deceptive, a seal that increases all statistical aspects, (whether strength, speed and regeneration) and as Killman noted, an opening to kill that revolves around her entire form of combat.

Kakashi will not and cannot defeat Tsunade.