Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20180630055746/@comment-33286580-20180701121502

Minato...

i see no other shinobi matching his talent.

>Created one of the strongest jutsu outside of S-rank Kinjutsu - Rasengan

>would have completed the Rasengan if not his untimely death

>learnt FTG (something only Tobirama could use on his own) and did so better than the creator

>learnt Uzumaki Sealing jutsu and took it to the next level

>Could decipher how a jutsu works and what it is and its weakness within minutes - Kamui, CHidori

>Could Guess an enemy's plan from little evidence - Obito's attack on Konoha

>Learnt Sage Mode (something only few succeded at) and perfected it

>Fougth and defeated a squad of an elite Kumo shinobi that were sent to capture the Kyubi Jinchuriki (Kushina)

>His actions turned the tides of the 3rd Shinobi War

Tobirama is also up there, but we know little about the man other than his genius...

>Create many new high level jutsu (kage Bunshin, Edo Tensei, FTG, etc)

>Created the system on which Konoha was founded (it had flaws, the one about the Uchiha considered the biggest one, but to me it only reared its head after the Kyubi attack when the village became suspicious of Uchiha and the Uchiha took offence to it and also that the Uchiha apparently used to misuse the power of Konoha Police force.)

I would put Kakashi and probably Orochimaru next in line.

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just my opinion, feel free to disagree, but i really do not see Uchiha Itachi as a genius.

he is strong, even at a young age, but genius i do not see him as one.

why?

>Sharingan awakening at young age --- it has nothing to do with skills. Sharingan awakens because of trauma or some kind of emotions. even its growth is related to emotions. you can train the skills you acquire, like he probably did with Genjutsu making him one of the strongest genjutsu user, but awakening of power and advancement of Sharingan is all on emotions. that is why it is called the 'Eye that Reflects the Heart'

>graduating at a young age and becoming ANBU by age of 13 --- if you actually look at profile of older Konoha shinobi, like the Sannin, or the ones of Kakashi's batch they all graduated early. The Sannin graduated at the age of 6, while even Gai who has zero skills in Genjutsu and nInjutsu graduated by the age of 7. by the age 12 or so kakashi's generation were figting in a war, much more than anything Itachi probably was doing. ALso not all ANBU are Jonin level.

>he can analyze a jutsu by seeing it once and determine its weakness - Chibaku Tensei it was quite a deduction, but really it wasnt the toughest one to decipher. also in that very fight B gave Naruto the idea to stop Nagato's Human Path, Nagato saw through Kotoamatsukami being used. also Kakashi in his previous fight with Pein came up with Deva Path's ability and how it works. Shikamaru even got how Hidan's ability works on the first go. So apart from one instance Itachi doesnt have much credibility in that department. many shinobi have deciphered jutsu befoe and saw through their weakness, even Naruto.

>he is highly skill and can outsmart anyone --- his first fight against Kakashi and Kakashi saw through all his attack even when he tried to hide them all, and Kakashi had a clone which was there to keep Kisame busy.

>he has high level jutsu but none of it are something he came up, they were like free gifts from MS or simply a Hiden of his clan.

Dont get me wrong. Itachi is powerful, easily in Kage tier, but genius wise he really falls back. probably in top 10, but not at the top