Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31810758-20170423043658/@comment-31099706-20170505082526

@Cyberian. That's such a easy and lazy excuse. saying it's not worth the effort,Lmao, do you think I reply to all of your arguements because I think it's worth it? I just do it so to prove my arguement right, not because it's at all worth my effort. I guesd you're using this excuse maybe because you don't have any counters to my arguement? and just wanted to do the last one where you think you can counter with, but don't worry I'll prove you wrong with it. And if you want to prove me wrong then you can counter all my arguements with facts. Okay?

One thing is my friend, is that "I think I gathered too much energy" means that he took too much instead of balancing it. By logic both of them should have turned into frogs. But well plot helped them alot. After he charged all that NE for two of TBR he lost most of his chakra.

For something, I don't know why you guys think Sasuke shouldn't understand how Naruto gathers NE. He specifically saw Naruto using Sage mode with kurama. to which he replicated by using Jugi's sage chakra and transferring it to his Susanoo. He knows about the jutsu that counters sage mode from hashi. He has a sharingan and a freaking rinnegen to learn everything he saw. Enough said about that matter.

How did Naruto get the chakra? at the meeting place? maybe, but remember he was already given chakra of theirs before meeting Hagoromo.

How do we know that the tailed beasts are connected to him at the meeting place? by seeing them at the meeting place. And did we even see him even remotelt speaking to the tailed beasts after the war? no.

Then could he go and get more chakra from the beasts? no, not by what we saw, as well as the fact that Naruto never got any help from Naruto after the war with handling Momo's golem.

Can Sasuke get all the tailed beasts like the akatsuki? yes faurly easier than they did with his Genjutsu and CT.

Why would you think Naruto would know about it? Because he has a connection with them? Cool, but maybe you're forgetting that connection kind of has lost it's network lol. Eight tails, was easily defeated and absorbed. Yet Naruto never got any info about him.Lol.

Therefore Indra based Susanoo is still in the table, but I already showed that Sasuke doesn't need such power to survive against Ashura avater.

He survived the combined explosion of Indra's arrow and the NE charged TBRs. He can easily escape that Jutsu too. With his time space or Reverse summon jutsu.

Don't tell me it's not possible lol. Sasuke did such a smart move against Diedera's last explosion, so him not doing it is just by plot if you want to argue about it.

One thing I noticed is that Naruto got kicked by momo. Then he was able to surprise Momo with his SPSM kurama mode. And you make Sasuke's punch a cheap shot? because? of what? Because he blitzed behind a guy who has eyes to see in 360 degree and able to track fast movements? Considering all that Naruto is the one who used the cheap shot.

And I just figured out that the whole taijutsu fight at the start was for the anime to make it interesting. There were no taijutsu fights at the begining in the manga. Only after the avater fight was there a taijutsu fight with one who had massive eye strain from his left eye and was already out of most of his stamina against one who was a jinchuriki and a clan member of high stamina and life force using shadow clones to overpower the other one in a 'taijutsu' fight.

The anime only did all this to make the fight interesting. Giving unrealistic feats, like Naruto even matching a sharingan sasuke with no modes. and Sasuke using blaze release without MS and deva path's techniques without mastering the Rinnegen. and the whole Kurama being in top of Susanoo to use a TBB is not real and anyways even in the anime it was just a way for Sasuke to get distracted and get Naruto shocked by kirin.

@Vladosaurus.Buddy, if it was only me who was saying this then, you can call me a liar. But it's actually the popular opinion of many.

As I explained to @Cyberian, And as I don't wish to make this anykore longer, I would like you to read what I said to him about Naruto's TB chakra.

Sasuke deactivating Rinnegen, Sasuke using Time space powers of it. Sasuke being one of the most talented Shinobis in Naruto. Isn't that enough?

Sasuke's other Rinnegen powers were not at all needed in any situation. I explained about Momo's TBB. I aslo explained that there could be no use of Rinnegen absorbtion against a guy who absorbs jutsus much better.Rinnegen's speciality is it's speciality, as in if you're the only one witha rinnegen then you can wonders, but if there's another guy with a rinnegen then there's no point in using it's techs and as well as the fact that Sasuke should not waste his Chakra with such chakra taxing jutsus. As he is the only one who has the ability to transport back, and there could be a emergency where they had to retreat back, and not saving the chakra to do that would be dumb for Sasuke's character. Sasuke already planned for unexpected situations where even he, the kages and Naruto could lose and so planned on bringing Boruto.

Too much NE = Frog transformation. I think as a Naruto fan, I wouldn't need to explain about that to you right?

Anime, the 'Taijutsu' fight was anime. and it could be just a mistake by their side for not showing the SPSM eyes, like how they mistook Sasuke to use Amaterasu with right eye or blaze release without MS.

Already explained the 'Cheap shot' problem.

Um, yes he survived in those dimensions, and why exactly wouldn't he? He did show up after the search mission you know? he wasn't a ghost.

Battles aren't the only training for Shinobi's. It's also surviving udner harsh situations and dimensions meant to kill people. Plus Gravity dimension in itself is like the time room/dimension of DBZ where they get stronger with the strong gravity, like Lee with weights.

Well it's great that you think helping people makes shinobi's stronger and all. But it was just some simple helping. He couldn't do anything more than that. And how exactly is he improving from that?

Well wishing me Good Luck means you slightly agree to ny opinio right? and wants it to win? Well thanks for it bro. And I wish you good luck too. :)

@Ninjachris. Show me where it said that large amount of Chakra is needed for wood release?

Obito might have been a clone of Naruto at start but he was just a late bloomer and showed his amazing talents later on. He was also trained by Madara.

It takes a certain skill and mastery over something to use it. And unless Naruto befriends the hashi cells in him, he won't master it.

1. Bro, just try to stick with your opinion. I was the one who said that Naruto still had common sense. while you said thay he couldn't even figure out a common fact like a bleeding severed arm will bleed more and more when you move. unless he was a medical ninja.

Just stick with your own opinions bro. So all of this could be much more easier.

But he's still a idiot by nature. And he did gain universal understanding.

2.Yeah right. Hagoromo said he can be the meeting place of the bijus with the small amount of already existing TB chakra in him. But I don't think he planned on Naruto using TB chakra in his fights. That would explain why he lost almost all of his TB chakra and only has some for no use at all.

Unlimited Bijju Chakra whenever he wants? now isn't that a bit of a strech?

3. I did go back to the manga. And did not any taijutsu fight at the start. Naruto later was trying his best with shadow clones against a guy with eye strain and no biju to refresh him. the fact you're trying to show is called (Anime fact) or also known as non canon fact.Because it never happened in the manga bro.

4.(Non canon fact). And it was later shown to be Sasuke distracting Naruto to surprise shock him with Kirin.

5. Interesting, Sasuke used Bijju Chakrs for two minutes and now you're saying he 'needed' it. He could have done many things. And Naruto needed a new ready made plot style Kurama sage mode to match Sasuke.

And even then, are we gling to ignore the fact that it was mostly a 10 vs 1 fight? Sasuke already defeated the bijjus with one shot. and then told Naruto to battle him at vote. Sasuke could have saved those chakra, or used those bijjus to fight against Naruto or even use those CTs against Naruto, just throw them at Naruto, he won't try to destroy them due to them being his friends. But Sasuke did not want to the win the fight like that, for plot convinience.

6. Lmao, I can't even believe after you showing the qoute yourself, you don't get the meaning of it?

Sasuke first show of kindness to Naruto after part 1. He did not want Naruto to be hurt anymore and knows that Naruto won't quit until he shows a sign of his new self, which is him admitting to lose, something if you read the whole manga, you'll realize is big.

7. Sasuke doesn't just look on. He helps Naruto with his own chakra if I remember correctly. He protects the kids, and so couldn't save Naruto from Momo and kinshi.

Defeating kick? how exactly is that a defeating kick? he was just surpised by naruto turning intp his SPSM Kurama cloak and thus increasing in strength to elbow him and kick him.You can see the surprise reaction in his face. And Sasuke finished that taijutsu battle with his own powerful punch. And don't tell me just because he got kicked in a distance, he was 'defeated' since Naruto also got that kind of a 'defeated' kick in base mode by Momo, who then exitedly attacked more on Naruto, without leaving his defence open.

And even after your 'defeating' kick and 'cheap shot' Momp was alright and was preparing to use more of his ninjutsu instead.

In that page, Sasuke was either saving his power or was low in chakra, and so had to fight those rock dragons like things with only his sword. And even after being bitten by it, he actually did not feel any injuries at all, unlike in the movie where he got burns. And then we See Naruto getting suffocated by the golem thing, which Sasuke by covering his susanoo at kurama defeats him.

8. Naruto after tired and knowing he can't keep on competing with Sasuke asks when he will stop this, due to him, knowing that he reached his limit and can't improve anymore.

Sasuke after being energetic and all hopes to be ahead of Naruto finally. And as seeing his best friend, all depressed by it, teases him by implying that he still needs to improve and that Naruro has a chance to improve too by that time.

Don't cheapen the moment shown of Sasuke and Naruto just teasing each other around like real brothers by your "Naruto is invincible logic".

9.Yes he did and whats your point about it? is saving a new way of superiority in Naruto? then Sasuke saved Naruto from momo and kinshi. And also protected the kids by shielding them.

10. 1. one is that Kinshiki's the more taijutsu type opponent.

2. Naruto never overwhelmed Momo. even in the movie Naruto needed Sasuke's help. and the Manga too.

Your 'Speculations'

1. I suppose you don't get it at all. Sasuke improved drastically with his powers. and I explianed it to @Vladosauras. the guy even wished me good luck for it. and shown that he agrees to me.

2.Actually it's shown in most of Nagato's and Madara's fights. That the Rinnegen as well as his advanced rinnegen can easily do it. The only weakness to that Jutsu is plot and I already explained why Sasuke didn't absorb the TBB of Momo.

3.It more funny that the people who are saying that Sasuke can't absorb jutsu are the same one who says he still has other TB chakra in him, and one way more funnier was the unlimited TB chakra one. Talk abour contradictions right?

4. You must watch Boruto the movie, or the manga Boruto next generations. They show Sasuke using a new time space from his Rinnegen. And it also might give you updated info about Naruto. which you seem to don't know.

Well the series has ended and now we are watching/reading Boruto.But I don't see even if Naruto wasn't the main where he could not have fans. He is still a likable character, whether main character or not.