Talk:Kakashi Hatake

Kakashi/Guy/Obito Chunin exams?
Hi.

I just saw something when I was going through Kakashi, Guy and Obitos profiles. They said Kakashi became chunin when he defeated Guy a year after he graduated (he was 6 years old). This doesn't make sence scince they couldn't have done the chunin exams together(Guy only graduated the acadamy at the age of 7 and obito when he was 9 years old). They all joined the acadamy at the same time so they have to be the same age. Guy might be a year older and took the chunin exam for the first time the same year he graduated which would make sense but there is no way Obito could have taken the chunin exam with Kakashi when he was still in the acadamy.

I would like to hear your thoaghts on this.

(Carlo41.134.29.49 (talk) 12:25, January 18, 2013 (UTC))
 * Talk:Obito Uchiha (chapter). -- The Goblin  12:41, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Stop assuming that everyone in the chapter are the same age- problem = solved.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:10, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Obito is 4 years older, he was 13 around his "death' there's no error with the 3 you mentioned, but with Anko, Hayate and Ibiki, they screw with the timeline.--Elveonora (talk) 14:23, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Kakashi's True Jounin Age
Recent evidence suggests that Kakashi became a Jounin at age 9. Can someone please confirm? And if so, please give me the okay to add it to Kakashi's page. Steveo920, 22:25 February 6, 2013

Yes, it was at 9, but that comes from math, not directly stated in manga. That's why I did remove 13 and haven't written it as 9, cause people must agree first.--Elveonora (talk) 16:50, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Where was it established that Kakashi is younger than Obito though? Or is that just meant to make chapter 599 somehow consistent with Kakashi's age 6 promotion?--BeyondRed (talk) 20:05, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Both databooks and manga say so. They started together and graduated together and became a team, so it's logical--Elveonora (talk) 20:14, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Until the databook confirms anything, all of this is just speculation. 96.241.55.117 (talk) 04:35, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

No, it isn't, because the information comes from databooks. So waiting for a databook to confirm what already previous one say is nonsensical.--Elveonora (talk) 10:40, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Everyone go to Elveo's talk page and look at my first post. I prove indefinitely that Kakashi was 11 when he became jonin and when the gaiden occured. Elveo is hell bent on him being 9 instead of 11 for some reason ItachiWasAHero (talk) 11:20, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

important question
I understand this has probably been asked hundreds of times, but is this: ttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xC9jBucf8GQ/TG3ri7KPHsI/AAAAAAAAMGs/z4JtZOmR8ko/s1600/Kakashi%27s+Face+Revealed!!-08.png an actual image fromt he comcis showing his entire face?

--174.25.57.18 (talk) 04:28, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

For some reason, on my computer that png won't pull up, but I just read that chapter recently. If you are asking if it is his actual face, then no it isn't. It was Pakkun who thought that his face looked a specific way. The other dogs had an idea of what he looked like, too. The picture was what he assumed it looked like, but at the end of the chapter, all of the ninja hounds are thinking "that wasn't like it at all" or something like that, since kakashi walks up to them without his mask on (of course you can't see his face, though). Adam10003 (talk) 04:35, February 7, 2013 (UTC)Adam

trivia worthy
Latest chapter says that emotions or what **** cause an Uchiha's brain to release special chakra that affects their brain and makes their eyes Sharingan, but Kakashi ain't one, thus Obito's eye shouldn't be able to turn MS in Kakashi's socket--Elveonora (talk) 17:00, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

It applies to Danzo and Itachi's crow as well though, so if anything it should probably be mentioned on the Mangekyo article. Unless you're referring to him first unlocking the Sharingan's third tomoe and Mangekyo, but that might be due to it still having a link with Obito's body (he held his empty eye socket when he started seeing through Kakashi's vision).--BeyondRed (talk) 20:05, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Old dude and the bird got MS already as a transplant, Kakashi awakened it without having Uchiha brain chakra thingy in his head. That basically means he didn't unlock it and it changed only due to the connection to Obito's other eye--Elveonora (talk) 20:16, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't quite change about it on the Kakashi part. Kakashi also went through the emotion shock. It still could be that everyone generates that different chakra when going through that, and in the Uchiha's case, because their eyes are different, react to it becoming Sharingan. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:35, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

That would mean an Inuzuka can awake Sharingan, the chapter clearly said "special chakra" in Uchiha's brain affects optic nerve and creates Sharingan--Elveonora (talk) 22:50, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Special brain chakra would only affect the eyes of the Uchiha, turning them into Sharingan. Stick a Sharingan into a non-Uchiha and make them go through the trauma, the effect would be the same. Until they say otherwise, Kakashi developed his MS on his own. Trauma triggers special chakra, and because he had a Sharingan, it affected it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:58, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

chakra reserves
Yeah, his improved quite a bit since Part I. but the abilities section doesn't take into consideration having chakra restored by Kurama against Obito and such--Elveonora (talk) 16:34, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Taijutsu hi i'm not registered in this site but please take this in consideration in kakashi's taijutsu section i think it shoud be put there more arguments about kakashi's streng as for example when he break one of pain chakra rods. i didn't edited myself because i don't know if i can since i'm not registred thanks

Element Icon For Kakashi
Since I've read his jutsu list; Shouldn't he have the : --Asuma 000 (talk) 13:23, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ice Release
 * Wind Release
 * He's never used Wind Release and Ice Release was movie-only so it's excluded from the infobox.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:49, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think he used wind in a game, but they are also non-canon so... Jacce | Talk | Contributions 13:58, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Well this is good. I can now ask my follow-up question. Then why aren't the movie only character's movelist's on their infoboxes. @ Jacce : Then if we use the moves of the video game on the info boxes, then why don't other characters get the same treatment, if you will. Not to sound condescending of course :) --Asuma 000 (talk) 09:22, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * We did. Somewhere along the way, an update to the extension kind of broke that functionality. Making that work would probably make something else break. An the only video game moves that should appear on anime/manga character infoboxes are techniques that they used in those media, but were only named in video games. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:51, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait, really? As far as I can tell from a glance on the infoboxes, game and movie Jutsu are defined as .~  Ultimate  Supreme  16:10, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Game and movie techniques are considered non-canon, but there are instances in which video games provide names for techniques that went unnamed in the manga and anime. Sasori's Puppet Technique: Prosthetic Arm Senbon and Prepared Puppet: Eight Waves of Needles happened in the manga, but only have named because they were so named in video games. Same with A's Lightning Straight, Danzō's Wind Release: Vacuum Blade. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:22, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * I am aware of that. I was talking about the coding of the infoboxes themselves.~ Ultimate  Supreme  03:45, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh that, no, they're not coded to show game and movie techniques for anime and manga characters. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:01, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique (Anime only)
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique should be added to Kakashi's jutsu list. It's already mentioned in his Nature Transformation section, and his infobox does include Fire (Anime only) in his Nature Types. Plus, he's listed in Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique's user list (Anime only.) General Awesomo 08:49, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Techniques appears by themselves in characters infoboxes when added to the techniques infobox, however there is a bug in the system that causes some techniques to be missing. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 10:03, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Discord about Kakashi's last words
In this and in Obito's article, there is a contrast between the words spelled by Kakashi at the end of the last chapter (told in the end of the part 2 section of both the characters) and the translation of the sentence under Kakashi's triva section:

Here the translation of Kakashi'sentence under his trivia section: "(To Obito) "In the ninja world, those who break the rules are trash. However, those who abandon their comrades are worse than trash. And the ones who abandon their friends' feelings are even worse than that. I won't get rid of your past feelings, even if it's you who's refusing them.""

Here the summarize of the end of the last chapter in both Kakashi and Obito's article: "Kakashi however reminds Obito of the lesson he once taught Kakashi: One who abandons their friends are worse than trash. As Obito was taken aback by these words, Kakashi declared that he force these feelings back on Obito, even if he refuses."

In addition to the lack of the part about who abandon friend's feelings is worse than trash, seems wrong to say that Kakashi want force these feelings back in Obito, when actually seems that he declared that he don't want abandon them (contrarily to what done by Obito himself).--JK88 (talk) 07:46, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Age of Obito solved.
http://img23.narutoverse.org/mangas/raw/73421/73421/599/narutoverse14.jpg

This image takes place right before the Gaiden. Gai and Asuma are 11 and 12 as chunins here, and Kakashi is the same age as Gai. Kakasi just became a jonin(he was officially 11) and obito was 13 according to databooks. therefore obito and rin are 2 years older than Kakashi. 96.241.55.117 (talk) 04:01, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

ages
Mind you, there are 36 graduates(ShounenSuki said at least) from the academy each time and ninja registration numbers are what a ninja is given when they pass the academy and become genin, getting their pics taken and reg. number given. Mind you ShounenSuki told me this a some time ago. Here are the facts

Now Kakashi Graduated the Academy in only one year and was then given his reg. number upon becoming genin. The rest did not graduate in one year. Asuma and Gai were chunin in chapter 599 when rin shows her plan. Obito was 13 at Kanabi Bridge which took place very very soon after Rins plan was shown. Itachi was 4 in the 3rd war, most likely near the end which the Kanabi bridge incident was near. Itachi was 5 when obito atacked konoha. Kakashi is 8 years 8 months older than Itachi and he was 14 years and 25 days during the nine Tails Attack.

The evidence here stacks up evenly, making Kakashi 11 when he became a Jonin, making him 2 years and 7 months younger than Obito and Rin.

Kakashi Hatake Birthdate	 September 15 Age	Part I: 26-27 Part II: 29-30 Ninja Registration	009720 Academy Grad. Age	5 Chūnin Prom. Age	6

Might Gai Birthdate	 January 1 Age	Part I: 26-27 Part II: 30 Ninja Registration	010252 Academy Grad. Age	7 Chūnin Prom. Age	11

Asuma Sarutobi Birthdate	 October 18 Age	Part I: 27-28 Part II: 31 Ninja Registration	010829 Academy Grad. Age	9 Chūnin Prom. Age	12

Kurenai Yuuhi Birthdate	 June 11 Age	Part I: 27-28 Part II: 31 Ninja Registration	010881 Academy Grad. Age	9 Chūnin Prom. Age	13

Rin Nohara Birthdate	 November 15 Ninja Registration	010885 Academy Grad. Age	9 Chūnin Prom. Age	11

Obito Uchiha Birthdate	 February 10 Age	Part I: 13 (Kakashi Gaiden) Ninja Registration	010886 Academy Grad. Age 9 Chūnin Prom. Age	11

movie stats
Someone should add what his stats were when he was nine years old in his stat box!!!208.65.172.242 (talk) 13:17, June 17, 2013 (UTC) Carignan


 * Not canon
 * The 3 tiers of stats come from databooks, we can't simply add 4th one until Kishimoto reveals it.--Elveonora (talk) 13:58, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

I understand that, but why does information like that have to be in the Trivia section. It should at least be moved to the abilities section... And the characters number of missions should at least be put in the background section!66.211.134.194 (talk) 18:13, June 17, 2013 (UTC)Carignan

I also meant to say Kakashis stats from when he was 10 years old. They were shown in one of the Shippuden movies.66.211.134.194 (talk) 18:15, June 17, 2013 (UTC)Carignan

Abilities section contain stuff from manga, databooks and anime. Trivia is a more suitable place for those "points of interest" notes from databooks like hobbies, number of missions, liked/least liked food etc.--Elveonora (talk) 20:23, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Kakashis Love Interest
In the game Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 3, it was hinted that Kakashi has a crush on Shizune. Can that be put in as Trivia?66.211.134.194 (talk) 18:17, June 17, 2013 (UTC)Carignan

I know this is reviving an old topic sort of but..
We need to come to a decision for now. Without chapter 599, Kakashi became a Jonin at 9 years old, if we include chapter 599, he was 11 years old. Until Databook 4 clears this all up, I(shockingly lol) vote that on his page we put that he became a Jonin at 9 years old if it is not already there. What about you Sysops and Elve?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:10, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * We in fact don't, it isn't important. And don't say that you know it's an old topic while bringing it up at the same time anyway, because if you truly had accepted as such and had let it go, you wouldn't constantly bother with it. This will sound egoistic, but more proper topic have gone unresolved, with those of mine included. But back to this... I mean, the infobox doesn't even have "Jounin promotion age" section I believe, the only option would be to specify it in articles, but since a reasonable conclusion can't be reached due to its problematic nature, it's best to leave it out so everyone can make out their own judgement. EDIT: also, why do you insist on knowing my opinion despite constantly having personal affairs with me? You insulted me twice in a row lately--Elveonora (talk) 21:07, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Because although you are rude and there are some things we disagree on, you are one of the few people on here who actually knows what they are talking about besides the Sysops. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 06:47, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * You are the only one who's constantly bringing these things up, huh? Now, I do think that I've more experience in such things than most of you guys here, that's why I can say that the best reson to handle such stuff is simply not to add it. Any information that's based on speculation has not to be included in the article. This is something this wiki needs to learn, I think. Also, as Elveonora said, we don't need to come to a decision, this whole thing is not up to us do decide. We write down what was said and not what we believe is correct. If there's an obvious mistake in what the manga said, we write it in the Trivia section. Anything else is too much. Seelentau 愛議 12:34, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Love interest?
In naruto ultimate ninja 3 it was hinted many times that he has a crush on Shizune Is this trivia worthy at all?Munchvtec (talk) 06:11, November 13, 2013 (UTC)munchvtec

Can you provide examples of this?-- Ninja Sheik  22:28, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Yes I can give a few examples I just noticed it because i went back to replay the older games Examples

1) Shizune was the only girl Kakashi felt embarrassed to be seen with especially at the dango shop.

2) He would blush and try to get away from her.

3) He wasnt like this when he went with Anko or sakura or anyone else. Munchvtec (talk) 14:02, November 14, 2013 (UTC)munchvtec

I honestly don't know what to make of this. If someone can show me where I can see theses scenes on YT, that'd be great. I would like to confirm it for myself.-- Ninja Sheik  22:53, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Trivia section
Kakashi's triva for his stats in The Lost Towers has his age wrong, as Naruto knew Sage Mode in that movie right?? So Kakashi was 10, not 9 since it is 20 years before the Databook 3 timeline. I fixed it ItachiWasAHero (talk) 02:35, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Look at this.
I think Studio Pierrot is saying Kakashi is 13 in Kakashi Gaiden. He told those girls this in this video. Seelentau I think you should watch this and tell us everything you can get out of this video please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBkwaP68kQ0

Thanks man. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 05:39, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, the producer-guy is saying that he's 13. But haven't you seen my new timeline yet? I managed to put everything regarding Kakashi and Obito into it without having to ignore anything (yet). Take a look at it ^_^ Seelentau 愛議 12:26, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't put my finger on it. Rarely do they work with Kishimoto, lots of things aren't to be taken for granted when it comes to anime content. It's just their interpretation of the things--Elveonora (talk) 13:28, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Elve-kun, perhaps they do some work with Kishimoto for those cases like that, did you ask yourself what Kishi do for his entire day rather than his mangaka job? So, it probably do some works related to his main work. Back to the topic, this video reveals some good information about the new filler arc and at least it's considered as a source of information till the next databook release. Thanks a lot, ItachiWasAHero — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 13:38, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * I also think that this arc is based on Kishimoto's information. They wouldn't go and make it without talking to him. That also means that he still has some clue about what he's doing with the dates and everything. I just wondered that the anime showed the chapter 599 mistake with Anko and them... Seelentau 愛議 16:09, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome Shakhmoot, and Seelentau, you might have to link me to your new timeline, the wiki is acting weird for me. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:11, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

here this goes
Thanks to studio pierrot we are finally given flat out age numbers of when he joined Anbu and during Kakashi Gaiden. He is stated to have been 13 during the Gaiden and 14 when he joined Anbu. Databook has not elaborated on that neither has Manga, so the only canon source left is the Anime. Btw, I'm sure with something like this the talked to Kishi about it. So shouldn't this be put into his page?? Also, the ninja reg numbers support him being 13 in the Gaiden as Seelentau's new timeline shows.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/User:Seelentau/NewTimeline

See here. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 08:39, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Translated video
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-836729/naruto-shippuden-kakashi-shadow-of-the-anbu-black-ops ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:29, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Opening
"is one of the main characters of the series, a jōnin-level shinobi from Konohagakure and the leader of Team 7." He is a Jonin by rank not by level, he is actually KAGE level as he was voted to be the next Kage and would have been if Tsunade didn't wake up, he was even chosen before Danzo, but Danzo used KotoAmatsukami and his words to make the lords choose him. Kakashi is Kage level, not Jonin level, enough said. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 00:47, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Kakashi was also 2 seconds away from officially becoming 6th Hokage too, so he was 6th Hokage Candidate for a bit just like Danzo. That fact should be added in too. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 00:49, January 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * 1) You do not need to post the same thing in three separate places.
 * 2) Kakashi was never officially made Candidate. Danzo was. Kakashi was about to, but then Tsunade woke up and that ended that real quick.
 * 3) The opening is fine. By rank, Kakashi is Jonin rank. If comments have to be made that he should is closer to Kage level, that should be in the Abilities section.
 * 4) Under absolutely no circumstances are you to make edits saying something, then go to the talk page after the fact. That just makes you look foolish.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 01:02, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Jonin level is different than Jonin rank. Kage candidate is the same either way, its the CANDIDATES. Kakashi and Danzo. Yeah I jumped the gun changing anything in the infobox. But you need to get your facts straight, rank and level are two different things, Naruto is Genin rank but he is easily Chunin level, possibly even Jonin level. Kakashi is Jonin rank, but he is estabilished as Kage level, Sasuke was Genin rank, but at Chunin exams 2-3 dif people said he is Chunin level. Think about that before you revert my text, because either you change the Jonin level part to Jonin rank, or you keep it at Kage level. Use your brain. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:30, January 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * He is a Jōnin by rank and by level (in terms of strength). He is no way near Kage level, maybe lower Kage level (like Gaara), but hell, look at Hiruzen. That is Kage level. Furthermore, he wasn't appointed as Hokage the same way Danzō was. He was never called 候補 kohō, meaning candidate, so we don't add that. Seelentau 愛議 09:19, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

The only thing he has that isn't Kage level is his chakra levels and he is def making progress in that, but you have to be Kage level to be chosen as Kage and he was 2 secs away from that. He is definitely stronger than Gaara and Gaara is a Kage, who is Kage level. Yeah its true to say Koho was never used for him so your right on that. But Kakashi beat Obito, figured out how Kamui worked and was also the one to figure out Pain's abilities and figure out Obito couldn't use the Six Paths techniques with his Six Paths of Pain Jinchuuriki's. It feels like there is a lot of underestimating going on with Kakashi. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 21:01, January 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * I won't get into an argument about what Kage level really means, because that is bullcrap. At one point, Naruto was fighting Tobi and Madara on perfectly even ground, then all of a sudden he just gets merked. Trying to calculate strength like it was DBZ is bullcrap.
 * Second, as far as the opening is concerned, Kakashi is a jonin-level ninja, as an a ninja who's rank is jonin. That's like me saying I'm security level 5 because i have level 5 security clearance. That's really all it means. It's the exact same reason we mark Naruto as a genin-level ninja, and we all know if it was going by "power level" he should have been ranked "God".--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 21:52, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

For one, we do not work with definitions with inconsistencies in mind. Two, Mangakas are not perfect, nobody is. Three, There is clearly and easily different tiers/levels of skill and power. Genins are generally Genin level which is above academy level, Chunin above Genin, and Jonin above Chunin, Kage above Jonin. Thats the rank and the GENERAL skill/power tier/scales. Kakashi was stated by Tsunade and others and the lords(no one cares what they say really) to be Kage material and their choice as the next Kage, being KAGE Level. Naruto is Genin Rank, do you think he is still on Genin Level?? Because if you do then now you're just being argumentative.. Naruto could go Toe to Toe with Kakashi meaning he is low Kage Level like Gaara and Sasuke. You keep thinking Rank defines Level and skill of EVERY person of that rank.. that is wrong. Kakashi, Naruto, and Sasuke are Kage level but Kakashi is Jonin Rank, and the other two are officially Genin Rank. Think about that logically and take a few breaths, calm your self down and stop arguing ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:44, January 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * And you are continuously failing to recognize that Kakashi, regardless of his actual strength is a jonin-level shinobi. He is officially recongize as a jonin. The opening states he is a jonin. It will not say "He is a Kage-level jonin" because that gets convoluted and opens a can of worms.
 * And you can't tell me to stop arguing and think logically when you yourself are not. I have stated, time and time again that as far as the opening is concerned, it's just going to mention his official rank. If you feel the need to add his Kage-levelness, it would go under Abilities. It is not however going up in his opening, which is what I've been trying to get at this entire time.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 00:17, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

He is Jonin ranked and it now says he is Jonin ranked so I'm okay with that as that is more correct there than Jonin leveled is. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:57, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Root
Is it alright to list him as a Root member already or should we wait until next week to make absolutely sure he's in? Idontcareaboutmyname (talk) 16:35, February 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * He was seen officially reporting directly to Danzō. He's in. Steveo920, 11:38, February 13, 2014