Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26388300-20160405070243/@comment-26773508-20160412025134

Thekillman wrote: Onoki and the Kage aren't going to sit around waiting for Hashirama to sage-mode up and build his constructs either. Except for one small thing: Hashi doesn't need a long-ass prep time to build his wood constructs or go to Sage Mode. This isn't Jiraiya vs 5 Kage. It's Hashirama, who can change the battlefield and go to Sage Mode within one second. The Kage can do whatever they want. Hashi is going to build up his wood constructs regardless. And, if he deems it necessary, Hashi can go to Sage Mode within a second, as we've seen in both Hashi vs Madara flashback and in the Fourth Shinobi World War.

Thekillman wrote: The Kage distract Hashirama with Sand Clones, Dust Release, Water mixed with lightning and Sand, and then seal him in the Sand Pyramid. Which, as you might recall, was what they successfully used against Madara. Dude, Madara was holding back significantly the whole time. And in spite of Madara holding back, the Kage still utterly failed to seal Madara. Your argument doesn't really work in your favour. In fact, it implies the opposite of what you're trying to say i.e. the Kage can seal Hashirama the same way they "sealed" Madara, who actually wasn't Madara but a Wood Clone. And who's a master at using Wood Clones? Hashi!!

Thekillman wrote: Can i also point out the irony that Madara says only he could see through the Wood Clones, but nevertheless was defeated by Hashirama using a wood clone? Not really that ironic. Madara had his sharingan deactivated at the end of the fight due to exhaustion. So without his sharingan, he couldn't see through Hashi's ruse.

I can't help but notice it always boils down to "hashirama just uses X" assuming the Kage don't do anything. Well I'd say Hashirama uses OP jutsus P, Q, R, S,..., X. Y, Z against the 5 kage. Hashi has a fuck lot of jutsus, like Deep Forest Emergence, that pollen jutsu, Wood Dragon, Wood Golem, Wood Clone, Sage Mode, Gracious Diety Gates, that giant-ass Buddha, OP healing powers, etc., apart from his bukijutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu skills. The Kages aren't going to get past these things so easily. In fact, I'd say that it is very unlikely that the Kage will make it to Hashirama himself. The Wood can not only bind, but suck the chakra out of people. The Chakra absorption capabilities of Hashi's wood was strong enough to cancel out Madara's Preta Path.

Thekillman wrote: Onoki and Tsunade knew the First Hokage. They know what he can do. They won't be caught offguard. Yes, they have some basic ideas about Hashi's powers. But as the battle against Edo Madara showed, Tsunade was completely shocked at the scale of Hashi/Madara's powers. Tsunade and Onoki don't need to be caught by surprise. All Hashi needs to do is overwhelm them. And he can do that with relative ease.

JouXIII wrote: My memory seems to be failing me... Where exactly Madara's Complete Body — Susanoo tanked complete Kurama's Tailed Beast Ball? During the fight between Hashi and Madara at the Valley of the End. Kurama throws a bijuu dama at Hashi. Hashi's Wood Human catches the TBB with its hand and then hits Kurama with the TBB like a Rasengan. It was at this point that Madara used his Majestic Attire: Susanoo to protect Kurama. And it tanked the TBB without a scratch.