Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20180624185603/@comment-33959444-20180626203216

@Lorenzo Orochimaru wasn't blitzing 4T Naruto. He was sort of getting his a** whooped the entire battle. It's just people that wank him because he was "smiling" and "joking" the whole time. By that logic, Juubidara didn't almost die against Guy and Konan didn't get fodderized by Jiraiya. Although, I will agree that Orchimaru was weakened there, so it probably evens out. Prime Orochimaru could probably deal with 4T Naruto. He can certainly do it with a Zetsu body.

4T to 6T is a huge boost. So no, they are not comparable. 6T Naruto was pushing back Tendo Pain.

6T is not equal to KCM. Naruto literally stated that with KCM, he was far more powerful than when he fought against Pain. We also know that Naruto saw the destruction caused by the fight, so he knew what he was talking about.

Besides, KCM is not as fast as Minato. It was just reminiscent of him.

Minato's Shunshin > Tobirama and his Hiraishin is relative to Tobirama. To Madara, Tobirama was the fastest of his generation, even faster than Hashirama. Hashirama in his base was, on foot, running away from Madara's Majestic Attire and reacted to his Bijuu Dama Susano'o Sword attack.

Since when is Orochimaru far smarter than Minato?

Minato's Chakra is also more than Orochimaru. He can spam FTG. With FTG, he TPd away a Bijuu Dama from the Nine Tails, and he TPd the entire Kyuubi and his family from Konoha to a nearby mountain. After that, he was out of Chakra. Orochimaru has high Chakra, ut not as much as Minato, at least not by feats.

Orochimaru also stated that if he was hit point-blank by a 4T Naruto's Bijuu Dama, he'd be dead. It's true he was in a weakened state there, but it proves that he CAN be killed, it's just very hard.

In the end, I don't see how Orochimaru wins this. Minato wins in between low and mid diffs imo.