Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-6769189-20180904100356

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

This is a false equivalence. Eyes holds no significance to rsm. Literally nothing in canon states it’s relevance to the form. Whereas I can and have pointed out multiple acknowledgements of rikudo senjutsu aka juubi chakra being required. Nothing in canon states red slit eyes are a sign of Naruto accessing Kurama chakra but we always knew thats exactly what it was because they only showed up when he used Kuramas chakra.

Since they yellow cross shaped eyes ONLY apoear with SPSM they are clearly related.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Madara realized only once he entered rsm that Naruto had been raising his amount of juubi chakra. There’s nothing you have to debunk this. There is no other power that it can be. It was never ever stated or shown that Naruto had Juubi chakra. All the tailed beasts remained as seperate entities inside of him.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

You can’t restate the half of hagoromo chakra claim(again) because adult Naruto retaining rikudo chakra debunks that. You are left with no other option but to admit Naruto waited on the production of juubi chakra to enter rsm. We know what that chakra does, we know what it looks like. Naruto had every indication on top of madara outright stating Naruto achieve the juubi’ chakra. It is required, and he got it from the 9 biju. Even the shikamaru novel confirms that having those fragmented biju chakra with kurama made Naruto essential as juubi jinchuriki. Confirming outright the source of that finite amount of juubi chakra. Madara never said he had Juubi chakra. No one ever said he had Juubi chakra

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

You clearly don’t understand the dynamic between senjutsu and sage mode. Sage mode is not a form of senjutsu. You will never find that sentence in canon. The right way to explain senjutsu and sage mode is to say that senjutsu is sage chakra. Therefore in order to become a sage one must have sage chakra. Rikudo sages in this regard, are no different. By Naruto essentially becoming a juubi jinchuriki, he was able to attain enough rikudo senjutsu to enter rsm. Users of Sage Transformation are considered Sages but not Sage Mode users. One doesnt have to have Sage Mode to be a Sage. They need to be able use Senjutsu chakra.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

It was shown that he waited, he saved guy, then used rasenshuriken then stopped to sense Sasuke. If he didn’t need to wait why not spawn those TSOs asap? Why not start flying right away? It’s simply because he couldn’t do that without the juubi’ power. Which I confirmed that he had during the war thanks to the scans from shikamaru’ novel. He waited for Sasuke to show up because they were gonna fight him together

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Kurama states the juubi is the aggregate of each biju’ chakra. For Naruto to be considered a juubi jinchuriki, that process must’ve been replicated, albeit on a smaller scale. Hes not considered the juubichuriki by anyone as far as i can remember

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

There was reason for him gaining power, hagoromo doesn’t just give it away to anyone. Naruto received rsm because he was worthy and had the right Naruto was able to use rsm because he was essentially a juubi jinchuriki. Acknowledged(in different ways) by the biju, hagoromo, the novel, the databook. As hagoromo put it, ‘a lot of conditions have lined up’, those are the conditions. Rsm’ conditions, rikudo seal conditions. Those are hagoromo’ own words explained in full. Databook says SPSM was from Hagoromo and no one/nothing else. Point blank, end of story.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Here’s a quick sequence of events, Hagoromo says Naruto has met multiple conditions. Kurama says a lot has happened and now Naruto has chakra from each biju. Kurama then interprets this as Naruto fulfilling a prophecy. Hagoromo agreed. By hagoromo agreeing to kurama, he’s also acknowledging the presence of all 9 biju chakra inside Naruto. Case closed. Just because it happened quickly doesnt mean what you claim happened. Kurama said its time for the prophecy and Hagoromo said yea. Nothing in the conversation even suggests that the bijuu would be responsible for anything.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Orochimaru developer his curse mark after experimenting on anko using his own senjutsu. Orochimaru is not a sage. You are debunked. Just having the chakra of a sage doesn’t make you a sage, more is required. Proven by kabuto during his fight against edo Itachi. LOL Orochimaru's curse marks were developed from Juugos bodily fluids that react to senjutsu chakra(Sage Transformation). Orochimaru's Senjutsu chakra is in his Curse Marks and they cause the user to undergo Sage Transformation.

I didnt say having Senjutsu Chakra makes one a Sage. Being able to use it makes one a Sage. Orochimaru can make Senjutsu chakra but he cant use it. Thats why hes not a Sage.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Kaguya rampaged for nothing confirmed. Smh. Her lost power was because of the birth of her sons. Just like kurama was split in two equal halves, her own power became fragmented. Please read the manga and the databooks. They say she was selfish and delusional and believed that any chakra belonged to her because she was the first to have it. If her chakra was split evenly between them she would have no chakra and then wouldnt be able to rule anymore.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

You lack context. You can’t outright state the seals didn’t have rikudo senjutsu. You don’t know that because it remains largely unexplained. You are guessing, as I expected you would. Lack context? Really. The Databook says they are for activating SP Chibaku Tensei. NOTHING ELSE. No other powers were attributed to the seals in the manga or databooks. Naruto's healing others was attributed to Yin-Yang release by the databooks.

Either provide evidence for the manga that the seals did anything else besides activate SP Chibaku Tensei from the manga or databook or dont bother talking about them again.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

I addressed this already. Seek out that juubi jinchuriki link above. Naruto in fact had juubi chakra. If it wasnt stated/shown in the manga/databook then it didnt happen. Provide page numbers or databook entries.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Maybe if I link to it I won’t be flagged for spamming. Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote: Naruto was(essentially) also a juubi jinchuriki.

This confirms my point and proves me right. Naruto being the juubi jinchuriki gave him access to juubi chakra and is how he awakened rikudo senjutsu. This power was present both times Naruto entered rsm. It is a requirement to enter the mode. It says "in a manner of speaking". "In a manner of speaking" means that whatever is being said isnt literally true. Naruto was not literally the 10 Tails jinchuriki because he never combined the chakras into one.