Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20171113213649/@comment-25643824-20171119144328

Thekillman wrote: Ninjachris wrote: I am getting the feeling like I have thoroughly dealt with this erroneous misrepresentation of manga facts before. As far as i remember, you never answered my question there. If Kurama is what reduces his chakra control, how can restoring Kurama's influence improved Naruto's chakra control? If Kurama is what reduces his chakra control, how come the 5 element seal worsened his control, since it prevented Kurama's chakra from mixing?

On the other hand, Naruto demonstrated clear and massively improved control after the 5 element seal was broken. So Kakashi was wrong.

Ninjachris wrote: Naruto was NEVER talentless or dumb Even during the 4th war, Naruto could come up with a complicated plan yet he couldn't articulate why it worked. He is not good at abstract thought or complex theory. He's a thoroughly intuitive thinker.

Secondly, whether he's talentless depends on how far you're willing to stretch the definition of talent. He didn't really improve until Jiraiya taught him to play to his strengths. He didn't really display a talent for learning in any way. I've said this before, but someone like Kakashi could only train Chidori a few times per day due to reserves. Naruto trained Rasengan for most of the day, repeatedly, for days on end. Any other child would've died of chakra exhaustion. He has a knack for mischief, but he had years of practice. And while he defeated enemies through unconventional tactics, he could only pull them off due to his unusual situation. A normal ninja couldn't do half the stuff he pulled, which is why his normal enemies never expected it.

Wow! So now you are saying a stated manga fact is wrong lol. No you are The Who is wrong, the manga is the source to establish facts not your erroneous opinion. Naruto was a child with an enormous malevolent being made of pure chakra sealed in him of course it was going to affect his chakra control. Naruto had problems molding chakra and especially with chakra control techs like walking on water long before oro even made an appearance in the manga kakashi being the highly intelligent and observant ninja he is figured out it was Kuruma. All oro did was make a bad situation worse. However as naruto grew so did his own chakra reserves and by sheer will and determination he improved and IMO over the years Kuruma started to admire even like naruto but just wouldn’t admit as shown when naruto just gained KCM and was supposed to die whenever he used too much chakra causing Kuruma to absorb his but Kuruma never did.

A building is only good as it foundation ask any teacher and they will always say the most important time where learning is concerned of a child’s life is 1-5years old. Of course people can catch up later on but this is the period when the brain develops the most and naruto never had that. Name one other character who was an orphan from birth and abandoned like naruto who is highly intelligent. You can’t.