Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-43403813-20191007194759/@comment-43403813-20191008220234

@Casteless That's actually the part I agree with, surrounding Pain. People only disliked talk-no-jutsu because it was overused, but it makes sense in regards to Pain. When Pain and Jiraiya confronted each other, Jiraiya neglected to connect with Pain on an emotional level, whereas Naruto did. Since both Pain and Naruto were Jiraiya's students, they both empathised with each other in that regard. The only reason Naruto was able to convince Nagato to change his ways, was because he quoted Jiraiya's book. More specifically, Naruto quoted something that Nagato himself said all those years ago:

"I don't know how to achieve peace yet. But I'll break this curse someday. If there's such a thing as peace, I'll seize it!"

Naruto reminded Nagato how twisted his ideology had become, not that his current ideology was wrong, but he broke his promise to Jiraiya, Yahiko and himself all those years ago.

If you wanna talk about a dumb use of talk-no-jutsu, it would be Naruto to Obito. I feel like if anyone should have talked to Obito, it should have been Kakashi.