Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-142748-20150410212019/@comment-142748-20150413051403

Trappedinmygenjutsu wrote: Itachi is not battling all five Kage at the same time, he is fighting Hashirama. This universe is not as simple A>B and B>C so therefore A>C. Kakashi only survived the Tsukuyomi due to his sharingan (which Hashirama does not have), Kakashi wasn't exactly in good shape either after the battle so you can't act like Hashirama could easily take a Tsukuyomi. Itachi also was secretly on Konoha's side during the whole manga so he would not want to kill Kakashi, Asuma, Kurenai, and Might Guy (so we are unsure if Itachi released the jutsu early in order to avoid serious damage to his ex-comrade Kakashi. Itachi could have killed Kakashi, Sasuke and Naruto several times in the series as he has had plenty of time to land a final blow but he doesn't want to kill any of them (so intstead he simply toyed with them using his genjutsu). Hashirama is strong enough to battle all five Kages at the same time and win. That's the level of power he has. And guess what, Itachi showed he was willing to kill Konoha Shinobi if it can keep his cover, that's often what Double Agents are required to do. Not only that, Tsukuyomi, being a genjutsu, can't kill. No genjutsu alone can kill.

Hashirama is the God of Shinobi. He has Asura's chakra in him. I believe he has enough of a defense against Tsukuyomi. Orochimaru didn't react to dodge the technique either because he believed he could tank the hit or Itachi's reactions were much too fast for Orochimaru. What reason does Orochimaru have in order to get resealed instantly again? Orochimaru was practically immobile and he was blitzed by KN1 Naruto, so he isn't a speedster. So hitting Orochimaru isn't a big enough feat to tag Hashirama. If Kabuto did not know about all of Nagato's abilities than the same could be said about Itachi and therefore Itachi could have gotten away with not fighting to his fullest abilities in order to give Killer Bee and Naruto a greater chance of survival. Itachi's abilities are rather well known. Nagato's weren't due to his secretive nature. Itachi was forced to fight at full power due to the fuda's command. Nagato would be able to use all of his abilities due to the same autopilot.

Can you also please stop inflating Itachi's abilities? You still have not given a PROPER explanation as to how Hashirama would counter Itachi's genjutsu. Fight by relying on sensing, and if he's caught just Genjutsu: Kai. You know, something every Jonin shinobi learns? "Hashirama would instantly break out of ANY genjutsu that Itachi tries." Genjutsu: Kai. Anyone with high chakra control can do that and given how Hashirama is a Medical Ninjutsu user, genjutsu user, Yin Release master...its quite clear he can break mostly any genjutsu Itachi tries. Its just common sense. What kind of response is that? There is NO indication in the entire manga that Hashirama would be able to counter ANY of Itachi's genjutsu. Hashirama has never been shown to counter any genjutsu in the entire series. Itachi's Tsukuyomi is much more developed than any other character's tsukuyomi due to percieved manipulation of time and space, and Hashirama would be left traumatized. So Hashirama of all people wouldn't have Genjutsu: Kai? Or have the mental fortitude (given all the crap he went through in his life) to resist Tsukuyomi...just because its Itachi using both? Shame there's a 'no trust' smiley here, dying to use it. Itachi deactivated his Susanoo due to his lack of chakra and he wanted to conserve his remaining reserves (Sasuke stated that Itachi was out of chakra even before using Kirin). Itachi's Susanoo was crushed. It was quite clear the defense was bleach due to Itachi having injuries, losing his cloak, and getting new burns he didn't have before. Sasuke stated Itachi was almost out of chakra, there's a difference. During the other thread, I agreed to the fact that hyperbole should be taken into context and even mentioned characters such as Hagoromo and Zetsu are more credible sources since they have existed since the start of the timeline in the manga and have continued to exist till the end of Shippuden. Except what Black Zetsu said is clearly hyperbole and should not be taken seriously. Yata Mirror hasn't been tested, so we have no reason at all to believe its invincible. Especially since the manga goes out of the way to show nothing is invincible within it.