Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-5413572-20141206200019/@comment-5413572-20141227191216

Actionmanrandell wrote: the Rinne Sharingan is not a complete eye of the byakugan sharingan and Rinnegan.

Not canonically, no, but I did point out going in that this goes against the official canon and offers an alternative. Plus, the Rinne Sharingan gave rise to the Rinnegan and the Sharingan- but the Sharingan, even in its Mangekyo and Eternal Mangekyo states, has been shown to be weaker than the Rinnegan and will turn into it if exposed to Six Paths Sage Chakra. If the Rinnegan really is supposed to be the strongest of the three (i.e. Rinnegan > Rinne Sharingan > Sharingan), then it just makes the descent even more confusing and needlessly complicated.

and the Rinne Sharingan doesn't have the power the Rinnegan has. if you read the fourth databook and the wiki on here it specifically says that the Rinnegan is in fact the Rinne Sharingan in its completed evolved form ie its superior to the Rinne Sharingan

I haven't read the Fourth Databook, but the wiki (which draws its info. from the databooks) says no such thing as far as I can find- it only says that the Rinne Sharingan gave rise to its two namesakes, and that the latter can again become the former. And even if we assume this is the case, it again illustrates how needlessly complicated this descent is- we have a single dojutsu (the Rinne Sharingan) that apparently strengthened as it was passed down (becoming the Rinnegan in Hagaromo), but lost a few capabilities in the process while gaining a slew of others; and then suddenly the power and capabilities of the dojutsu plummet once it's passed down again (becoming the Sharingan in Indra). And as I brought up before, this is complicated even further by the fact that the Byakugan didn't seem to undergo any such changes- Kaguya has the same one that the Hyuga clan have now. Why did her Rinne Sharingan change so much in such convoluted ways, and even her All-Killing Ash Bones denature to Shikotsumyaku, but the Byakugan stayed exactly the same? (As I brought up before, there was a prime opportunity there to have her original second dojutsu be the Tenseigan, which could've diluted to the Byakugan. Instead, the Tenseigan came out of nowhere and was created through a strange and again needlessly complicated method, again leaving the Byakugan as a strange outlier in terms of descent.)

it also says the Rinne Sharingan only has these powers Amenominaka, God:Nativity of a world trees and Infinite Tsukuyomi it doesn't have the six paths or any of the nifty powers the Rinnegan was shown. the only related power that kaguya actually had was her ability to absorb chakra which was not bound to her dojutsu but just because it was kaguya's chakra originally

But it also says that the Rinne Sharingan possesses the powers of the Sharingan, and this is what enables it to cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi. And again, if we assume the Rinnegan is the strongest in this series, and that the Rinnegan is merely a fully evolved Sharingan, then the fact that it lacks these abilities again makes things needlessly complicated.

Again, that's why I came up with this alternative descent, because Kishimoto's meanders all over the place in terms of powers capabilities, and progression. I think my version is much more streamlined- Kaguya has the Gōkeigan, which encompassed the powers of all the later Great Dojutsu. When she gave birth to Hagaromo and Hamura, the former got the Rinnegan (which had six tomoe where the Gōkeigan had nine, illustrating the power decrease), and the latter got the Tenseigan. Hagaromo then sired Asura and Indra, with the Rinnegan diluting into the Sharingan in the latter (and again losing three tomoe in the process); recombining Asura and Indra's chakras thus replicates his chakra, allowing one to awaken the Rinnegan. Meanwhile, Hamura would sire the progenitor(s) of the Hyuga clan on Earth, with the Tenseigan diluting to the Byakugan; and at least one line of the remaining Otsutsuki on the Moon. Recombining the Hyuga and Otsutsuki's chakra would thus replicate Hamura's chakra, allowing one to awaken the Tenseigan. And hypothetically, recombining the Rinnegan and Tenseigan would allow one to awaken the Gōkeigan. A relatively simple, linear progression that nonetheless offers all sorts of avenues to explore. Instead, we got a cobbled together, meandering mess. Again, I don't begrudge Kishimoto for this- thinking on your feet while writing a story isn't easy- but his end product is still somewhat sloppy.