Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-142748-20150410212019/@comment-142748-20150412184836

Shadowflame55555 wrote: Those 3 examples are really countering any points.

1. That wasn't proper shunshin blitz, it was really just him jumping into the air for an aerial assault, the smoke was just to cover the fact that that's where he went. Yes, it was a proper Shunshin blitz. He used shunshin to get into the air and tried to attack from there, Naruto just intercepted him. The use of smoke is indicative in this manga that Shunshin is being used unless A or Naruto use it. 2. That wasn't Itachi's 'fabled genjutsu'. When people talk about that they usually mean Tsukuyomi, which was the main reason Itachi's genjutsu prowess was so revered. The one he used against B was at best just Genjutsu: Sharingan which, since other people have broken out of, I'm not surprised that a perfect jinchuriki like B broke. If Itachi had used Tsukuyomi, the outcome would very likely have been different. People have claimed Itachi's ordinary jutsu are unbeatable, hence why I bring up Killer B broke it. And Tsukuyomi wouldn't have worked in that scenario due to B's immunity to genjutsu. And the main point I was trying to make was that Obito and Madara could genjutsu Perfect Jinchuriki without it being broken by the Biju, with the strength being comparable to Komuamatsukami. That's beyond Itachi's paygrade. 3. He didn't even end up using any Mangekyo techniques, though even if he had, it wouldn't have been up to his full potential, since he was being controlled by Kabuto. He was just about to use Mangekyo techniques, and no he still had his mind working. He just couldn't hold back. Kabuto didnt' crush Itachi's mind to make him a mindless killing machine so that's a point against what you're trying to make. Where's the proof that he was weaker when Kabuto was manipulating him? Those above examples are all during Kabuto's control. After the control was broken with Koto, Itachi: Kabuto wasn't directly controlling Itachi, he just put Itachi on autopilot and Itachi had his mind so wasn't mindless. Itachi wasn't weaker when Kabuto controlled him, but Nagato did get weaker when Kabuto assumed direct control since he didn't know all about Nagato's abilities (such as sensing) and he forgot Itachi was even there in his excitement to capture Naruto and B. 1. Blitzed all of Nagato's summons with Kunai whilst simultaneously saving B and Naruto from a 'full-power' Nagato. Not impressive at all. There were only two summons, they were immobile, and all were looking at the same direction due to Kabuto's inexperience with the technique. And Kabuto even forgot Itachi was even there in his excitement to capture Killer B and Naruto. 2. Instantly figured out what Nagato's Chibaku Tensei did and how to counter it, which he then proceeded to do. Why is this a big intelligence feat? Itachi stated the obvious yet its supposed to be a amazing strategy (toss your strongest long range attacks at it and see if it breaks!)? Not to mention the fact Itachi could only accomplish this with Naruto and B's help so its a moot point anyway. 3. One-shotted Nagato with the Totsuka Blade. Hitting an immobile person is supposed to be impressive (something which the manga explicitly pointed out when Kabuto went on on why Nagato lost)? And the fact that Kabuto explicitly didn't know about Nagato's sensing abilities means that if Nagato was in control, he could have dodged or defended himself by sensing Itachi's, B's, and Naruto's chakra through the dust cloud and avoided the Totsuka Blade. I don't know whether or not Itachi would be able to beat Hashirama, but he is far better than what you are trying to make him out to be. No, you're exaggerating Itachi's abilities and making things out to be impressive, but after analyzing them, they really aren't. Also I know it was a while back in the discussion, but you continuously kept saying that Madara was better at Genjutsu than Itachi and that was why Hashirama wouldn't have to worry that much about Tsukuyomi and then your evidence was that Madara used a weaker Infinite Tsukuyomi on Obito. The truth is, Madara would never have used that level of Genjutsu against Hashirama or any other opponent ever. At the time that he used it he said that he was using the Gedo Mazo's power to create that genjutsu. Also he said to Obito 'look into my eye' and he was simply showing it to Obito, who wouldn't have tried to break it anyway. So that example isn't viable at all. Madara if he was at full strength would have used that level of genjutsu against Hashirama if it would have given him the edge. Not to mention Madara does have the feat, before Obito, of genjutsuing a Perfect Jinchuriki so thoroughly the Biju inside can't break the person out.