Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34194151-20180907071051

Ok, let's establish a few things

Juubidara and Juubito were in sage mode as per Juubiara's statement. The wiki also sayys that becoming a TTJ is a form of sage transformation, which was also established as sage mode. It's clear they had ridoku sage mode, aka six paths sage mode, calling it something else should be semantics...

Ridoku senjutsu's only known source is the juubi. Juubito became a ridoku sage after absorbing the juubi, despite having no senjutsu training whatsoever. This is proof that the juubi can grant its jinchuriki six paths senjutsu and sage mode, even if they had no prior training. No one can prove how hagoromo and hamura got their six paths senjutsu chakra, so why is it still being discussed? We are talking about a manga where chakra absorption abilities can steal senjutsu chakra. Why is it hard to believe that hagoromo could have used his rinnegan to absorb six paths senjutsu from the juubi, similiar to how madara did to hashi? Logically, Six paths senjutsu should be a mixture of 1/3 ridoku physical energy, 1/3 spiriual ridoku energy, and 1/3 nature energy. Nature energy is nature energy. Even the juubi is pure nature energy as per canon. Logically, Madara who became a sage after absorbing senjutsu chakra and mixing it with his ridoku chakra, should have gotten six paths sage mode. The fact that he didn't could simply mean that six paths senjutsu actually has another component to it that we don't know about, and logically, the juubi would have this missing component. Even if you claim that hagoromo figured out how to make ridoku senjutsu, all you're saying is that he found a way to recreate juubi chakra, as madara referenced the coffin seal and tomoe on naruto's back as proof of ridoku senjutsu, i.e. juubi chakra. Saying that the markings on narutos's cloak are basically because he has all 9 bijuu chakra is a concession, because having all 9 bijuu chakra is what gives you ridoku senjutsu.

So, as I said, hokage naruto lacks the coffin seal and tomoe, lacks yellow eyes ( in pictures I see them as orange), and has his KCM cloak covering his face, those facts combine should show that he isn't using SPSM like he did in the war. we know he hasn't lost hagoromo's chakra. So the lack of pigmentation actually isn't proof in this case, since there other features missing. so, either naruto hasn't showed it because he hasn't felt the need? or otherwise he lost access, or the cloaks aren't being drawn correctly. IT is also implied that he doesn't have the other beast chakra in useable amounts, so he probably can't knead ridoku senjutsu. This is all reconciled if you acknowledge that naruto ( all 9 tailed beasts available) and sasuke (hashirama cells from kabuto) would have developed both of their respective abilities, but hagoromo simply sped up the process. So yes he "gave" them the abilities by simply accelerating what they were already going to get. Naruto had mere slivers of the other 8, so it probably wasn't possible for him to attain ridoku senjutsu without hagoromo's help. IT's hard to say for sure, but I don't see why this isn't a viable alternative theory. The last patch to make is the naruto who kicked the TSO. This could easily be explained by the fact he hadn't summoned enough senjutsu chakra to have his truthseekers and chakra cloak. We have never seen TTJ madara without a cloak, so I wonder what the "KNO" version of a TTJ is. and notice how naruto's TSOs only formed once he got his ridoku senjutsu cloak, similiar to juubidara and obito...