Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-34194151-20181130231757

@Duviee

As I said, There is a huge difference between the "standing still argument" and an argument that is based on a difference inspeed. Minato would blitz Kurenai for example and Kurenai wouldn't be able to respond to any of his FTG variants, nor would she be capable of moving, or reacting.

@Ninja of War The thing is I still do not understand why we should ignore the feats of the yata mirror and totsuka blade. You restricted the yata mirror for this thread and that is perfectly ok, but what's concerning me is I do recall in the past that I have seen you claiming that the the mirror does not work as functioned when on Chapter 392 pg 10 we clearly see it expanding in size, and even covering the side of susano'o to protect it from the snakes. The snakes were deflected upward and one was even deflected backward. Furthermore, 393 pg 8, we clear as day see the Yata mirror expanding to protect not only susano'o s head but even theleft side of susano'o to protect it from paper bomb explosions. Even on 393 pg 6, you can clearly see the yata mirror expanding in height, and then on the following page, you can clearly see the SFX effect:whoosh, which signals movement through the air as the yata mirror was decreasing in size back to normal. I didn't know what "whoosh" was until I looked it up in a manga sfx guide. So there is that, but when I bring up the speed of the blade you have not explained why nagato cannot react to an attack right in front of him. Shared vison or not, he still has two eyes just like everyone else does, so he doesn't get an excuse for not reacting to an attack he was clearly watching. You stated he might have had a shinra tensei cool down, but preta path can be used in an instant as far as nagato/kabuto knows. All the camera angles show he is directly looking at itachi's susano'o. I understand that there was a smokescreen but again he is far enough away from it such that he can still see whatever is emerging, plus we can clearly see the blade is a large and has a slight incline, which would make it easier to see. It's easier to see a blade when it's on an incline as opposed to oriented straight, because if it is oriented perfectly straight you would only see the tip, but that isn't the case here. Both times the blade was used, the opponent seemed unable to react despite looking right at it, so how is that not a clear speed feat? Orochimaru in another translation says :"eh?" which still indicates surprise. The only shown stimulus is the launching of the blade, both in the manga and anime. I don't think you can argue that they failed to sense the attack because seeing is a forming of sensing. Then you said that you don't use totsuka blade and yata mirror to scale his strength, which is fine, but these are just my observations.