Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20180513035214/@comment-6769189-20180514230510

Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote:

Kakashi never visited the moon yet he knew it's size. Hashirama only saw kid 4 years old tsunade yet he knew Sakura was stronger than Tsunade. Illogical statements are said by characters doesnt mean they are false unless proven otherwise.

Hashirama defeated Kyuubi and Susanoo's impenetrable armor which more or less come's close to Jubi's power. Kakashi and the moon: science. The ninja world actually has some really good science divisions and in real life, scientists calculate stuff about places we have never been to all the time.

Hashirama and Tsunade: while this is true and it doesnt make sense, Kishimoto added this for a reason and the manga later confirms this. Also using your logic, he would have said Juubi instead of the collective term Bijuu.

The real nail in this coffin though is that Madara said Hashirama was the only one who could defeat him, but Hashirama flatout said Juubito was stronger than him and shit stomped him.

Susanoo is not impenetrable. Juubi is way more than twice Kyuubi. The juuni is actually much more than the sum of its parts considering that it had 7 of the tailed beasts and was still more than Naruto and Bee could handle and Naruto stomped the tailed beasts almost by himself.

LoneNinja wrote:

When was it ever stated that TSB were the product of Sixth Paths Chakra alone, and could only be achieved by that Chakra? There's a reason for the mods not allowing anyone to state Toneri has Sixth Paths Chakra or the fact they state there are multiple ways for Acquisition of TSB which includes Tenseigan which is separated from Sixth Paths Chakra. Cause there's no proof Toneri had Sixth Paths Chakra and there's no proof that Sixth Paths is the only way. TSB is a of 6 Paths Senjutsu technique

Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: why dont we take a vote for a few things first then. 1. are the current kage strong, or weak compared to their ancestors? 2. is kinshiki planet lvl? 3. is kinshiki stronger than toneri? 4. is the duo really stronger than kaguya? that should pretty much settle it, cuz after this, we can discuss it more peacefully 1) stronger. The last generation got cucked by Madara. The new ones did decent against Kinshiki

2) kinshiki is planet level

3) Toneri wanted to destroy the world but rather than do it himself, wanted to use collateral damage from the moon so Kinshiki is stronger.

4) yes, they are stronger