Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180122204034/@comment-7292165-20180126214352

@Namikaze

Choji had not blossomed yet? Yet he has shown feats of being physically stronger than base Jiraiya. His clan specializes in expansion attacks for crying out loud. They are known for their strength. I don't know why this is even a debate.

Jiraiya does not have the weakness to each of Kakuzu's elements, and it is crazy to believe that he could deal with Kakuzu's mask with no problem, let alone while having to fight Kakuzu himself. Not to mention, their combination attacks are way too much for base Jiraiya. It really puts Jiraiya at a disadvantage because he'll need Sage Mode, and may not have the time to charge up because he doesn't have a giant toad to protect him. The smaller toads (Ma and Pa aside) will not suffice in this fight. They will easily be overwhelmed.

Unlike Jiraiya, Kakashi has displayed plenty of speed and taijutsu feats. Kakuzu was able to him in this fields. Base Jiraiya displayed very little speed feats. Jiraiya's only taijutsu feat was when he kicked the Human Path, but even then he had Sage Mode. Jiraiya is mostly a ninjutsu user. He's not as balanced as Kakashi. And yes Pain did say that if Jiraiya knew his secret, he would have lost. How does that have to do with Kakuzu? He never fought him. (Other than in game story and that is not even canon tbh)

Except the steel doors that Kakuzu knocked down were also protected by a barrier that his strength still broke through. I wouldn't say that Guren giant crystal dome was that much stronger, if stronger at all.