Narutopedia talk:Image policy

Anime/Manga Colored
I don't see anything in here about keeping colored manga scans over anime screenshots... I think that it might be a good idea to add that. - S im A nt 17:18, April 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was under the impression that the standard was, we use colored manga images until the anime catches up to it, then we use the anime image. If that is to change then I'd think it'd be a nice discussion.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 20:15, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just feel that both being colored, and both being still frames, the better choice is the original source if they are both in color, if its unavailable in color then anime is appropriate unless their are serious artistic mistakes (such as with File:Founding Uchiha.png). - S im A nt 20:48, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with SimAnt. --ShounenSuki (talk 20:58, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Amendment: Anime/Manga Colored
Because I expect and edit war in the wake of Konan's page, I feel it's high time we sit down and talk about this. Now I don't want to begin unneedingly wordy, but the current policy states that if an image is colored in the manga, it be used over the anime. That's fine and dandy, but also unnecessary if the image doesn't have a real noticeable difference. Using the Konan as an example, the only difference is the color of their eyes, that's not a real importance difference, as her eyes have never been a plot point or anything major like that.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 15:40, September 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with ShounenSuki to an extent, but eye color discrepancy isn't something I notice unless pointed out to me. Therefore, it's not one of my top priorities. ~SnapperTo 16:27, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would say we need to discuss this heavily, mainly because Konan's page is the third time there have been disputes about choosing coloured manga instead of anime. To be honest i believe that we should make it so that anime images are always used when possible, seeing how it would keep a curtain level of consistency. Could we perhaps get an idea about the community's opinion by using some sort of vote? --Gojita (talk) 16:50, September 29, 2010 (UTC)Gojita


 * Isn't that the point of "If an anime image poorly represents a scene"? Edit: Never-mind that, read wrong part of policy... But what is wrong with going with accuracy over consistency? S im A nt 19:08, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly what SimAnt said. To be honest the colored manga images are a perfect depiction of the mangaka's own work and not the interpretation that the animators decide on. So why not use their own art work when possible? --Cerez365 (talk) 19:14, September 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * First of all: It is a rarity to get good quality coloured images from Kishimoto. Second of all, when we edit many of theese images to remove unnesecary parts of it, they tend to ruin the flow(An amendment) of the pages. Seeing the size and form of the Shikamaru Part II image added by ShounenSuki, it sorta tilts the entire page when you look at it compared to the many other smaller images that also fits better with the written text and headlines withouth us having to use  . We have had this discussion before when ShounenSuki added the coloured manga image of Jiraiya in the infobox and it was mainly decided to use an anime image, mainly due to the size, but i also think it have something do with the how it was coloured compared to the anime. And yes i know that Kishimoto might not have much to say when they do the anime, but nontheless seeing how most users on this wikia is quick to change the manga images to anime images as soon as possible, i don't see the reason why a coloured manga image is used by default! --Gojita (talk) 19:34, September 29, 2010 (UTC)Gojita


 * Kishimoto's version is accurate. For some reason (correct me if I'm wrong) I thought the goal of an encyclopedia was to accurately document a subject. Just because something is not in a standard television/computer ratio, doesn't make it bad or inaccurate. The only reason that I am aware of that the manga images were not kept in the infobox, is that the infobox was designed for quick access to statistics/information about a subject, and a wide image works better for how the information is displayed. S im A nt 19:55, September 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * You do realize that you reasoning might as well mean the change of every single anime image on this wikia back to a manga image. The way things have been done for years on this wikia as i see it, is that most users prefer the anime images instead of any coloured manga image. The only reason why this have changed as of late is because of ShounenSuki's almoust (sorry for elaborating it like this, but still) fanatic obsession of using the coloured manga images when possible that has somehow been shared by a few other users, while the majority of this wikia still adds anime images when they finally appear. I can image this problem will arise with the five kages and their aids that we currently have coloured manga images of, but i believe that many users will try to upload the anime versions instead, no matter what four of five users might think. My reasoning here is that the majority of the users disagree with the purpose of accurately when it comes to theese images. Also i would like to add the reasoning of some of our major contributors during the discussion of the Jiraiya Image:
 * (TheUltimate3)"I see a sudden (and to me unnecessary) massive change of everyone's infobox turning into manga images at the end of this discussion. That being said, I see absolutely nothing wrong with the image we already have"
 * (AlienGAmer)"the anime IS done by permission from the author. I doubt MK will authorize something he disapproves. And Manga imapges have a very limited colour depth, where as in the Anime, u'r not held back by those limitations"
 * Althought i think that TheUltimate3 have turned neutral since then, his point is still valid. --Gojita (talk) 20:14, September 29, 2010 (UTC)Gojita

Color depth doesn't mean anything if it's not the original source, also this isn't about what MK authorizes, this is about using the original source when the secondary source screws up. S im A nt 20:25, September 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Which they rarely do, and even so we seem to be able to work our way around(Naruto's six and eight tailed forms in the anime). Also my main point(i will try to shorten my reasoning) was that most contributors on this wikia will always choose anime images over anyting else. And it also done alike on many other wikias. --Gojita (talk) 20:30, September 29, 2010 (UTC)Gojita


 * isn't this a manga/artbook picture of luffy? S im A nt 20:48, September 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * actually no, that is from a gameart. And that is one wikia. Let me try and list the majors. Bleach, Dragonball, most of One Piece, FMA, Hellsing, Yu Gi Oh and seriously i am not in the mood of going on! Refering simply to our own, choosing Anime images over coloured manga images have always been done seemingly, until ShounenSuki got the idea to use Colourd Manga images and suddenly a few of the major contributors jumped on the waggon withouth even considering what the majority of the contributors on this wikia constantly decide on.


 * To set an example with the Konan page. If i remember correctly the coloured manga image that was recently added came out before her appearance in the anime and so it was used. But when she appeared in the anime, that image was used instead and have been for quite some time now. Now to refere to the quote by TheUltimate3 and his/hers point, suddenly ShounenSuki had this urge to change all other images to coloured manga images in some of the Infoboxes even though most contributors clearly seems to prefere the anime images.


 * I mean look at the upload log each time a new episode airs and finally shows techniques characters and a like, many people upload the images relevant such as images for the infobox, scenes and techniques. And i believe that since a majority feels and acts that way, the Amendment should be changed so that no type of image is used by default, but rather which image the majority of the community prefers, which in this case actually is the anime version(when a good quality version excists)


 * So please stop this obsession about beeing accurate, using Kishimoto's original drawings, when the majority of contributors seems to prefere the anime versions. BTW sorry for pointing fingers, but i thought it would be interesting to point out were all of this began--Gojita (talk) 21:17, September 29, 2010 (UTC)Gojita

First I would like to say that I'min the middle of studying so I am in the library typing on a iPod touch so this will be short. My issue is not an issue of accuracy, it's about page flow. Randomly jumping from manga to anime just because kKishimoto decided he was going to color a page this week screws with the flow. also there is no need for anyone to get so hostile with each other or point fingers let's keep this orderly.--131.118.85.55 (talk) 22:39, September 29, 2010 (UTC) TheUltimate3
 * Thank you for clearing that and as said before, sorry for pointing fingers. --Gojita (talk) 22:51, September 29, 2010 (UTC)Gojita
 * Having images from various different media in no way disrupts the flow of a page. In fact, encyclopædia and related works have done exactly that for as long as they've included images, without any complaints.
 * There is also no way you can use your common sense and still say it's not detrimental to a page to have not even a single image drawn by the original author of the series.
 * Let me explain my view about this in detail:
 * First of all, I identify several different images with different needs.
 * The main profile image.
 * This image should, above all, allow instant recognition of what the page represents. To do so, it should be accurate and clear. As it is the most representative image of the page, it should preferably be in the same style as the rest of the main profile images, but this is an æsthetic wish that falls below accuracy. Only the smallest of errors should be allowed in this image, if absolutely necessary. Having a major feature like eyes be in the colour is simply against what an encyclopædia should stand for.
 * The appearance images.
 * These images show how a character is supposed to look like. Therefore, they should be near-flawless and show as much of the character as possible. They should also, if possible, be drawn by the original author, as his art is the original source and not a second-hand interpretation of it. Only if no good coloured image is available should an image from another source be allowed and only if that images has no identifiable errors.
 * Flavour images.
 * These images add flavour to the page by depicting scenes, events, or subjects described in the text. Any image depicts what it is supposed to represent in a clear and easily recognisable way is fine. Perfect accuracy is not as important here, so using anime images is perfectly fine. However, as always, no blatant errors should be visible. Small errors can be overlooked, though.
 * This is the way I think we should decide what images to use where. I'm not against anime images and even think they are vital to a good representation of the series and its contents. However, I think the same about manga images and I do hold them in higher regard, given how they're drawn by the original author.
 * As for how other wikis works, well, that doesn't matter, now does it? We have no affiliation with those wikis, nor is there any reason we should emulate them. I am an editor on this wiki and I want this wiki to have the highest possible quality and the best and most accurate information. Images are a part of this.
 * I hope I made myself clear now. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:12, September 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * The crux of your argument, would be, what is considered "minor". For example, the two of us differ on how important the color of ones eyes are. To you, it's a critical, make or break thing. For me, unless it's a dojutsu or something important enough to elaborated in the story, eye color is just eye color, nothing special, nothing important.
 * That part being said, if one art is near identical to another, in my opinion, either one would be fine. This was mainly in response to the "Appearance" section you mention ShounenSuki.
 * And finally, I want to point out, I normally wouldn't have manga images. My problem is that the policy is very make or break. For all extensive purposes, it renders things uneditable, because it is very hard biased into one thing. That is my issue with it.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 02:58, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Eyes are one of the most defining features of a manga character. They are highly distinctive and can be extremely symbolic. For instance, Yahiko's eyes are blue to show innocence, his good heart, and his similarity to Naruto. Them being brown in the anime destroys this. Besides, even in real life eyes are highly important. What is the first thing you would normally say when describing your appearance? Hair and eye colour.
 * Let me ask you something, you wouldn't want a single manga image on this wiki? Despite all the bad art in the anime? Despite all the errors? Despite the manga actually being the original source? Wou would actually argue that you'd want an encyclopædia without showing any art from the original author? —ShounenSuki (talk 12:46, September 30, 2010 (UTC)