Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30112523-20170118130051/@comment-9782468-20170120045030

1. The Shinobi kinda ignored the whole air situation on the moon. Otherwise, Naruto and Hinata would have suffocated.

2. Guy literally showed he was strong enough to break through on his own, but TSBs are very strong. Obviously he'd lose a lot of force trying to punch through the TSBs and into Madara. Kakashi just gave him a direct line of attack, and even Madara stated he absolutely could not risk a direct hit. We've actually seen Guy break the TSB. He did it with Madara's body when he punched him through it. Now, it's pure speculation on whether or not the TSBs broke due to lack of concentration or pure force or both. That part isn't really debatable because there is no proof either way. The only fact we have is that Guy hit Madara into a TSB with enough force to break it.

3. Guy is way faster.

4. Let's remember something; when Naruto had Kurama Sage Mode on, he was barely able to even track Juubito, and Juubidara is at least as fast if not faster. You're telling me that even though he had KSM on and was keeping up with Toneri, Toneri is faster than Juubidara? Also, you're saying that Madara didn't have more jutsu than someone who never trained as a Shinobi (Toneri)? You're saying that even though only Naruto with a full Kurama overpowered Toneri, Toneri has more power than Madara with the Ten Tails? Madara, with one eye and no Juubi, knocked back every single Tailed Beast with no effort including Naruto and Kurama. Toneri couldn't handle Naruto and Kurama alone. Where do you figure that Madara has less power or speed?

5. I realize you corrected yourself, but just repeating; KSM means Kurama Sage Mode. SOrry for the confusion.

Idk why you think that Sekizo wouldn't hit with such a wide area to dodge. When did Madara have any lack of space to dodge?