Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-28136690-20160426210835/@comment-734582-20160430152136

Madara can't steal senjutsu from someone incapable of using senjutsu. It literally makes no sense.

Without Senjutsu, Obito can dissolve any ninjutsu used against him.

Furthermore, Obito was able to blitz Minato (the same guy who outblitzed the other Hokage). So with Taijutsu not being an option, Genjutsu not being an option and Ninjutsu out of the option, they can't win.

With Sage Mode for Hashirama, Madara can easily share in this. After all if Juugo can share his Curse seal with a Susanoo, it stands to reason that Hashirama can enter Madara's Susanoo and Senjutsu enhance it too. No rinnegan required. With this there would still not be much of a chance here, as the only reason Obito was defeated was because Naruto had the various Biju resonate to pull them out. As Juubito he can outlast, outblitz and outnuke Madara and Hashirama.

As to Madara controlling Obito, remember that he placed a seal on Obito that allowed him to remotely control him, as he sprouted numerous black rods before Obito became Juubito. Afterwards Black Zetsu was strong enough to overpower him. And considering that Obito could steal power from Madara, if pressed, Madara would likely be able to rip out the Juubi from Obito if he had Rinnegan. Not to mention that Black Zetsu was ultimately able to control even Madara with Juubi AND dual Rinnegan AND Rinne Sharingan, so clearly Zetsu was holding back earlier. If he wanted to he could've controlled Juubito at full strength.

So for a chance to win, Sage Mode is the minimum required. Even then i think it would require Madara to have a rinnegan. I just don't see the duo inflicting the necessary damage to kill Juubito.

Naruto and Sasuke were given numerous chances to defeat Juubito, including Juubito inflicting massive damage on himself when he was still poorly controlling it. Even then Obito was impatient by manifesting the Shinju, something he won't have to do with Madara and Hashirama.

I think Madara and Hashirama don't reach significant chances of winning until Madara has Hashi's cells plus sage mode. (no rinnegan required) After all, Madara would no longer be reliant on Hashirama to hurt Obito and his increased reserves, healing and Wood Release would be the minimum to take down Obito.