Talk:Hamura Ōtsutsuki

Needed?
Is this page really needed? We don't know anything about him at the moment after all. Noweeaboohoo (talk) 07:22, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * We've had pages that were almost empty for a long time, wait until Naruto and the Sage are done talking, it's possible that more will be shown. TricksterKing (talk) 07:27, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * One of the first two humans born with chakra, helped take down the Ten-Tails. Yes. Just as important as Ashura and Indra were when they were first mentioned as the nameless sons of the RS. Hagoromo is going on about his history, we're bound to hear more about his brother. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 07:36, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Older?
Just to get this out of the way, I see that for a moment, this page was moved to indicate that this was the older sibling. However, I don't see anything in either available scanlation that points Hagoromo as the younger brother. Is there an early released raw or something similar that corroborates this? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:24, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Na. He should've actually been the younger one, since Hagoromo was the first human to be born with Chakra. Seelentau 愛議 14:27, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * I ask this because I can totally see Madara either not knowing the full story because not all of it was in the Uchiha tablet, or, more likely, that he withheld information to somehow twist history for his own purposes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:46, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * If I can go a little off topic here, what about this guy and the Ten-Tails? Did he have it sealed in him as well?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 14:54, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * I was confused as hell by that too, and I'm certain that the next three or four chapters aren't going to be any better in that department. Ideally, all that means is that they split the Ten-Tails like Minato did with Kurama, and that when he died, Hagoromo took the other half into himself. I can't deal with a future reveal that there is another Ten-Tails out there, or even worse, another set of nine tailed beasts. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:59, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * That was my speculation as well...But for now let us worry to make sure if that is even the case in the first place.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 15:09, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

At the risk of staying further off topic, I came up with two distinct possibilities.
 * 1.) Just like with Minato The ten-tails was split into two seperate entities ( I.E Yin and Yang), and the other brother sealed himself, with the help of Hagoromo, inside the moon to keep a check on the Ten-tails original body. this means that if the eye of the moon plan was completed- he'd be waiting for a sucessful return to earth.
 * 2.) the other brother died during that battle, which caused Hagoromo (who was most likely the older brother, the one laced with natural power) to adopt his younger brother's policies Iowndisciti (talk) 15:21, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Those both are COMPLETELY speculation, and there's a lot more that could've happened then those two distinct possibilities. Madara Uchiha was stated to be the first person to awaken Mangekyo, which is obviously bullshit. Hagoromo was stated to be the strongest Shinobi to ever live and the creator of ninjutsu - We now know both of those titles are his mother's, not his. Skarrj (talk) 20:09, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Theory about twin brothers and the true meaning of Shinobi
It seem to me that Hagoromo and his brother were twins, growing different hair styles to differentiate one from the other. What happened is that the figure who distributed chakra amongst the people and was registered in the Uchiha table as Hagoromo was in fact his brother.

The truth is that neither Hagoromo or his brother could defeat the Shinju or completely seal it within themselves but if Hagoromo were to die and the people were to lose hope in his ability to save them from the Juubi then the Shinobi Sect would crumble.

What happened is that at a crucial moment in battle when Hagoromo was incapacitated, his brother took on his persona and sacrificed himself to seal part of the Juubi inside him and distribute it's power amongst the people.

His twin brother choose to protect Hagoromo's peace from the shadows at the expense of his own identity thus allowing Hagoromo to defeat the weakened Juubi and seal it inside himself, paving the way for his beliefs to prosper.

Hagoromo respected his brother's will to remain an obscure figure for the sake of strenghtening Ninshu's influence, it parallels how Itachi choosed to remain a shadow in Konoha for his brother to restore peace and order upon the Uchiha. Hence there was never any mention of a second Sage in the records Madara read.World Master (talk) 21:20, March 26, 2014 (UTC)