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Re: Curious
All of them, from the "Lost Adventures" issues, to the non-canon and chibi ones, to the proper graphic novel trilogies. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:12, July 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Probably The Search. It finally revealed what happened to Ursa. It didn't do wonders for her character though. The copious amounts of Crazula, flashback Ozai, the fact they remembered Koh exists, and one of the most conceptually interesting spirits in the franchise pushed it to the top. Something I wish the graphic novels did a bit more is flesh out characters that didn't get much time on the show. I would love a White Lotus focused comic. Jeong-Jeong was way too interesting for the minuscule amount of screentime he had. When the Korra comics start being a thing, I would also appreciate more Red Lotus material. The four had cool abilities, but other than Zaheer, none of them had much character. Seeing them all coming together and developing their camaraderie would be interesting. They could finish that prequel with them being incarcerated, since they did want flashback of their kidnap attempt of child Korra in Book Three. Maybe even revisit the still at large Red Lotus agents. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:15, July 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * Smoke and Shadow had an interesting set up, but had quite some faults in execution. My tolerance to shipping is proportional to its quality, and the Zuko/Mai/Kei Lo triangle took up more space it had any right. The reveal of Azula being behind the Kemurikage also fell flat to me. Who were her henchwomen? Where did they come from? How did they meet? How does Azula suddenly know how to redirect lightning? How can Zuko bend dragon multi-colored fire? What is special about that fire? There was too little to no explanation for any that. What Ukano did and did not know also was confusing. The trilogy opened with him thinking the Kemurikage were actually spirits, but when we learn it was Azula, he already seemed to know that. I also strongly disliked what that trilogy did to the timeline. It takes quite a bit of interpretation for what was shown there not to completely mess up the established timeline and Fire Nation history. In Smoke and Shadow, the first Fire Lord was established as the one who united the Fire Islands after defeating war lords, and when Aang wonders why the Avatar of that time didn't do anything against the war lords, Zuko figures this happened before the Avatar came to me. None of that makes sense. The four nations only came to be after Wan became Raava's Avatar, after people stopped living in the lion turtle cities and spread through the world again as the spirits no longer roamed the world. Also, the Fire Lord first branched off the Fire Sages. Long in the past, the Fire Nation was a theocracy similar to the Air Nomads, and they were led by the Fire Sages, they themselves originating from a branch of the Bhanti Tribe, the Fire Sage-like people who appeared in the Beginnings episodes in Book Two Spirits in the island Korra washed up on. Their leader was the called the Fire Lord because of his deep spiritual connection to fire. The Fire Nation royal family began when a Fire Lord split from the sages, starting a monarchy. The only way any of Smoke and Shadow makes sense is if you assume the first monarchy collapsed before the rise of the Sun Warriors, whose culture is known to have influenced the Fire Sages, and from the Fire Sages, the Fire Lord title resurfaced and eventually led to a monarchy again. The Avatar's absence during the unification era of the Fire Nation can be explained by him or her simply having yet to learn they're the Avatar, depending on how long the unification wars, or simply being occupied with other conflicts in other parts of the world. Zuko's assumption could simply be wrong. The lack of firebending during the Kemurikage era makes no sense, as life outside the lion turtles only happened Wan, and people used bending to fight wars in his time. Fire Nation history from Smoke and Shadow can work, but I shouldn't have to go through so many hoops and assumptions to make it work. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:26, July 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * You see, despite the lack of an explicit explanation for Azula's blue fire, that looks like a natural and logical progression. Fire burning blue is an indication of higher temperature, so Azula's "I have to be the perfect, I have to be the best" mentality would push her enough for her fire to reflect that. The fact other master firebenders don't display that, like Ozai, Iroh, or Jeong-Jeong, also leads me to believe it's a personality thing. Iroh is powerful, but from all we've seen to him, the focus of his firebending is something like "use only as much power as necessary". He and Azula have focus on skill, but his doesn't go into intensity. Ozai on the other hand, thinks so highly of himself that he would not see himself as having to be better, thus pushing himself to the point of blue flames. Jeong-Jeong's entire restraint philosophy goes completely against the idea of burning hotter. I'd go as far as saying they blue fire is something that firebenders of a certain mastery can achieve, but don't practice because it's generally not worth it for usual firebending applications. For dragon fire, I have no idea. I can't think of any reason why dragon fire would be so colorful. It's also worth noting that not all dragon fire looks like a rainbow, so it's definitely something they deliberately do on purpose. What different effect rainbow fire could have and why Zuko can do it escapes me. My guess would be something related to spirituality, as all possible reasons I can think for differently colored fire involve science, but that wouldn't explain the lack of rainbow fire from other spiritually inclined firebenders, like Iroh, or past Avatars.
 * I liked The Promise. It showed some of the growing pains of what would be Republic City, though I wish we would still get some more mentions of that in the other trilogies. We do see mentions, but all we see is the progress, like one conflict was all it took to make a well-oiled machine. I also enjoyed Ozai. Most of his characterization in the comic was indirect, made by how other characters related to him. In this trilogy and in the other trilogies he appears, we get to see him. At the start of The Promise, even with no bending and behind bars, he still held some sway over Zuko. I didn't like or dislike the Toph plot or the Air Acolyte plot in The Promise. To me, though they did tie into the main plot in the end, there were most just there. The Rift was mostly neutral to me. What I liked and what I didn't liked sort of evened out. I liked that the plot had an anchor in Yangchen. Of the four Avatars that preceded Aang, she was the one that picked my interest the most, and the fact there was no side story about her life in that Escape the Spirit World game that bridged Books Two and Three only made me appreciate her more. Stuff like this is why I hated that Bryke had Korra lose her connection to past Avatars, with the flimsiest of excuses: she didn't use it much. Having the ability to do so is still important, and maybe future Avatars will not be so bone-headed as Korra and want to make use of the connection. This was equivalent of burning Wan Shi Tong's library in terms of wasting valuable resources. The only thing that kept me going was being able to develop a head-canon in which that connection can be restored, based only on stuff from canon. On the other hand, the Aang and Toph conflict about the factory was boring to me. The majority of it felt very forced to me, and most of it could have been avoided if they had bothered talking it out. Other than Toph reconnecting with her father, everything about the factory was boring. Satoru irritated me. Something that started in The Rift also feels unnecessarily vague and complex is timeline placement. The new spirit focused festival happened three months later. Then Smoke and Shadow came along, and a significant portion of part one happened between the group coming back from Hira'a to mainland Fire Nation after the end of The Search and the beginning of The Rift. Now, North and South will begin sometime in the middle of Smoke and Shadow part two after Katara and Sokka leave Aang, and later on he will join them. And somewhere in the middle of all that, there's still the spirit festival from the end of The Rift. At the Avatar wiki, trying to piece this all together chronologically is not fun. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:54, July 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Asking which series is better to me is like comparing oranges and apples. They're different things. Too many differences in how they were developed for there being any way to make a proper comparison. The most prudent thing is to compare parts of them. For example, being a sequel, LoK had the better animation (Pierrot animated episodes aside). AtLA was better written, having an overarching plot through all the books, unlike LoK, which had mostly self-contained seasons. This is something which I blame development for. If Nick had had faith in LoK from day one, Book One would not have had so much disconnect with the following three books, and Korra's character development would not have been essentially erased between books one and two. That said, I think LoK had better ideas in general, they were simply not allowed to be explored as well as they should have because of development. The shortened seasons also meant things always had to be rushed. AtLA had more room to breathe, spread out, and build things up, so progression there felt more natural. I'd go as far as saying the only reason why LoK wasn't better than AtLA in every way is because Nick screwed them over constantly from beginning to end, from being greenlit, to the format, to the budget cuts. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:51, July 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Korra spent a lot of Book One being put in unfamiliar situations. She arrived in Republic City with a daredevil attitude, and a very basic punch first, ask questions never way of being. A lot of what she went through Book One was about her learning to think before acting. She and Mako had detective their way into Amon's rally early on, and to save Bolin. She was manipulated by Tarrlok at every turn, even before the bloodbending. When Amon first ambushed her, she felt fear and remained afraid. When Amon started taking over the city, she had to retreat and plan ahead. She also felt broken when she lost fire, earth and waterbending, even though she got them back super quick. Come Book Two, it's like none of that ever happened. Korra complains about Tenzin to Mako, and literally says "it's like he forgot how I totally beat Amon", which in no way applies to how it actually went down. Other than knowing other characters, it's like none of her experiences stuck with her, and we even sort of see her going through similar stuff again in the following books. Unalaq was Tarrlok 2.0, and Korra should have smelled manipulation the second he opened his mouth. Her first instinct is once again fighting first. She expects Raiko to go to a war that has nothing to do with just because she asked him, and then tries to sneak his army into the war right under his nose. As far as in-universe goes, the reason she lost her connection with the past Avatars is because she was too dumb to see past Unalaq's manipulations. Her "being at your lowest" at the end of Book One was rehashed and spread out all through Book Four while she was dealing with her PTSD due to Zaheer almost killing her. All of that could have been avoided if the writers had been able to write for more than one book from the beginning. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:19, July 31, 2016 (UTC)

Thoughts?
Just wondering what your thoughts are on enabling this script for the forums. --Sajuuk 10:41, July 29, 2016 (UTC)
 * You should be able to see an example here. I'd take screenshots, but there's no threads on the forums that are currently highlighted right now (at least not next to some closed discussions lol). --Sajuuk 08:55, July 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * Lol, ignore my previous edit. Just noticed I removed the import for ThreadIndicator in Common.js. I'll fix that, but for now, if you want to see what it does, open your browser console while on the page I linked and run this:
 * You should then see the icons. --Sajuuk 15:43, July 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * Great. Now you can see them, your thoughts on using the script on the wiki? --Sajuuk 15:55, July 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I don't really think this is something that needs a discussion thread to be implemented, it is such a minor thing and making a whole thread just for getting a consensus which most people either won't post in or will likely forget about implementing weeks later seems needless and a waste of people's time. But that's just me, maybe the consensus can simply be the opinions of a couple of other sysops (like Saru and Jizo). --Sajuuk 16:10, July 30, 2016 (UTC)
 * CBA to make a new heading, given the age of this one, so I'll say it here: thanks for handling the block and protection requests. :) --Sajuuk 15:12, July 31, 2016 (UTC)
 * CBA to make a new heading, given the age of this one, so I'll say it here: thanks for handling the block and protection requests. :) --Sajuuk 15:12, July 31, 2016 (UTC)

Light Novels
Hi there

I was just pondering on where I can find the articles reagarding the light novels? ღ••ThunderSnidget••ღ 17:02, July 31, 2016 (UTC)

Edit
Hey, I was doing Mission 09 - Naruto Vs. Neji from Naruto Gekitou Ninja Taisen! 3 and you deleted it for no reason.

Damn you! I barely had that up for few minutes, and you ruined it! I was just about to do something on the my little pony wiki, but since you ust left messages, I don't have time talking to you (unless you keep sending me messages).

He's at it again
Whatever his name was originally. Or at least I think he is that guy. He's already banned at the Bleach wikia for ban evasion, so... ban y/n? • Seelentau 愛 議 05:31, August 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ya, that was his name. I mean, we can observe more, but I think it's pretty obvious. After all, he's the only one who edits like that. • Seelentau 愛 議 05:41, August 2, 2016 (UTC)

re: zero point option
In response to your comment about the zero ratings: that only started to be added to pacify the small number of people who hated the anime so much that they would just rate it zero (even when it was a canonical episode), when there is no need to rate something as zero. If something was that bad that it warranted a zero, then the proper course of action is to just not give a rating or comment on it at all, since if it's that bad, it's not worth a comment.

There was never a reason to give 0/5's for years and the fad of "zero ratings" only started when some "bad filler" came along that some people just felt like being vitriolic about. So I sort of agree with Saru that it doesn't need to be added as it doesn't add anything to the threads.

I responded here, rather than in the thread, to avoid being accused of going off-topic in the discussion. Hope that's okay. :) --Sajuuk 21:42, August 5, 2016 (UTC)
 * ??? Uh... Okay? Like I said, it's really a minor issue. But appreciate that you addressed this outside of the thread. 21:47, August 5, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm aware it's a minor issue, but I still wanted to give my thoughts on the issue, since it's rapidly becoming an issue for some editors who want to zero rate something. ;) --Sajuuk 09:15, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

Boruto Characters
Hello WindStar7125, listen I have noticed that the techniques listed in both Boruto and Mitsuki's nature transformation in their Abilities section have the full name, kanji of the techniques some of which I believe are not actually techniques. I have tried to make changes, but some users keep reverting it. For example in '''Mitsuki's stats Mitsuki is able to utilise Wind Release nature transformation, which allows him to perform the technique.  instead of writing in the usual fashion.

Boruto's is listed as: Using his nature transformations, Boruto can perform the following techniques: Lightning Release: Purple Electricity, Water Release: Splash Bullet (水遁・飛沫弾, Suiton: Himatsudan) and Wind Release: Gale Palm. Is this alright? Also I tried searching but, there is no technique named Water Release: Splash Bullet.--Tuxedo12 (talk) 23:13, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Madara Susanoo image
Normally i could, but the lighting from the Susanoo makes it impossible. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 04:56, August 8, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Yo
Windy, or Kazehoshi-san :) ... It's been a long while indeed, how are you doing? I have been great thanks for asking. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 20:35, August 13, 2016 (UTC)
 * It's good to have your summer job done, and best of luck :) — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 10:25, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

RE: Ay
Just got back from holidays. Im free to chat now if you want. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 04:02, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Good chatting with ya. We'll have to do it again sometime soon. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 09:24, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

I can now but i think it's a tad bit late for you. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 07:32, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

lol
Is it a crime to use the kudos system on this wiki now? I thought it was a bad idea to post things like "I agree" or "^ This" in threads, but it seems people would prefer nonsense and spam postings than making use of a feature called Kudos. --Sajuuk 18:55, August 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * And no doubt I will either be ignored or called worthless because it seems this wiki loves calling people "worthless" when they don't like other people's opinions. --Sajuuk 19:01, August 16, 2016 (UTC)

Ignoring whatever you feel like
You literally failed to comprehend a word that I said. Astonishing.

The databook says that what Sasuke received from Hagoromo was the Rinnegan and seal. Nothing more, which makes this "extra chakra" that you think exists, mere fanfiction.

The seals were the only power that Hagoromo was stated and shown to give them in the manga and databook. Nothing else. How hard is this to comprehend? 8Gates (talk) 05:59, August 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * And he utilized the only Six Paths Power that Hagoromo was shown and stated to give in order to do so. The Six Paths Yin. What you just said made no sense whatsoever.
 * Only the Six Paths Yin Power is ever mentioned in reference to Hagoromo's chakra. Nothing else. Therefore this extra chakra does not exist.
 * Hagoromo made the seals. They contain his chakra as shown by Kaguya. Again I ask, why is this so hard to comprehend? 8Gates (talk) 06:19, August 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * Stop with the mental gymnastics. It's old and tiresome. There were no seals on Hagoromo's hands before he gave them to Naruto & Sasuke, therefore he manifested them anew from his own chakra.
 * Kaguya concluded that Hagoromo gave them the seals due to them being made out of his chakra.
 * I can't comprehend how Hagoromo is blatantly shown to only give them the seals, with the seals being blatatnly shown and stated to have his chakra, yet when Sasuke says he will use the Six Paths Power, you conclude that he is talking about an entirely separate source of chakra.
 * Do you even realize the amount of mental gymnastics needed to even reach that conclusion or how mind-bogglingly stupid that sounds?
 * There is no reason that Sasuke's Rinnegan would disappear after it's awakened. None whatsoever.   Dojutsu don't just magically fade away after the source of the chakra that awakened them are gone. The Rinnegan produces it's own chakra.
 * As stated, Naruto having the chakra of all the Biju makes him a human pillar for the power of Ten Tails. The power of Ten Tails is Six Paths senjutsu. There was no reason for him to lose his power either.8Gates (talk) 06:38, August 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * Not mental gymnastics. Also, highly hypocritical of you to claim I'm ignoring everything you're saying, when multiple times you're not answering the questions I posed to you. Manifested them anew, huh? You gotta a source that states that? Because he could have gotten them from Hamura centuries ago, we don't know.
 * You're ignoring my arguments, restating debunked points, then adding more nonsense on top of the pile.
 * The seals are not on his hands when he is talking to Naruto & Sasuke, so how would one even begin to claim that Hagoromo was wielding Hamura's seals when they were clearly not there?
 * The seals were manifested anew for the simple reason that they were not on his hands prior.
 * Took you a while to figure that out. The Rinnegan produces its own chakra, which is not the chakra from the Six Paths Yin Power. Wow, that took you a while.
 * Makes no sense whatsoever that the Rinnegan would be the source of it since all of his Chidori do not possess Six Paths Power. The Rinnegan's chakra isn't even senjutsu anyway while the Six Paths Chidori that Sasuke used is senjutsu making this point completely moot.
 * Clearly Sasuke wasn't referring to the Six Paths Power on his palm that Hagoromo gave him? He clearly wasn't referring to what the panel specifically zooms in on right? The same seal that was stated and shown by Kaguya to contain Hagoromo's chakra right? Because that couldn't possibly make any sense.
 * Yes, indeed, Naruto's Six Paths Sage Mode could come from the chakra of the tailed beasts (even though a non-canon source states that and is irrelevant), not the chakra of the Six Paths Yang Power. Man, you finally figured it out.
 * What you basically said: Naruto can produce Six Paths senjutsu due to the Biju, therefore his Six Paths Sage mode wasn't a product of Hagoromo's chakra(Six Paths Power of Light) despite direct statement.
 * Tell me how this makes any sense whatsoever and don't ignore it since I know that you have a habit of doing that.
 * The novels are part of the story due to Shueisha, a rights holder to the series, putting them into the continuity.
 * Your definition of canon is wrong. That is not how the term is supposed to be used. The term is so blatanly misused by basically every fandom that it's appalling.
 * All works of Naruto of canon. The only canon that exists is canonicity to the franchise.
 * The only rule that applies to any official work when gauging validity is whether or not the work was placed into the continuity.8Gates (talk) 07:22, August 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * Never claimed that, if you read carefully. And I still see no source brought up from you. And I'm taking what's stated directly from the manga in chapter 674 with the terms Six Paths Power and Six Paths Sage Chakra. It isn't like you have proven you can read Japanese text, so how can you claim what it says? We have trusted translators who confirm the text for us. You have not even brought up a specific chapter of the manga nor a specific page of the databook, and you're trying to imply you're not making claims?
 * If you are claiming that Hagoromo did not manifest the seals anew, then you are saying that he had them prior. That is exactly what you're logic dictates. Yet we clearly see that he didn't have them.
 * I know exactly what Sasuke said. Your interpretation of it makes no sense whatsoever. The Six Paths Power of Shadow is Six Paths Power. It is made up of Hagoromo's Six Paths Sage chakra. The seal itself is Six Paths senjutsu as stated by the databook.
 * How could one even begin to say otherwise?
 * Are you serious? Senjutsu? Where is your source for that? Where does it specifically say that Sasuke was using senjutsu in the Chidori he used to impale Madara? Seriously? No, seriously answer that, since you don't like it when stuff's ignored, tell me where it says Sasuke's Chidori is senjutsu.
 * This is ridiculous. Sasuke doesn't specifically say "Yin Power", so that would dictate that he is referring to a separate power?
 * Even though the Six Paths Power of Shadow falls under the category of "Six Paths Power"? Even though Hagoromo was only shown giving him the seal? Even though said seal was stated and shown to possess Hagoromo's chakra?
 * Only attacks that utilize the Six Paths Sage chakra can damage Limbo as stated by Sasuke and Sasuke's Six Paths Chidori clearly does. That is Sasuke's only shown source of Hagoromo's chakra, so that is where he got the chakra form.
 * Kishi would not purposely call it the "Six Paths Power" for no reason in chapter 674. The fact of the matter is, the power Sasuke used was never stated to be the "Six Paths Yin Power". There was no "Yin" in that statement, yet you claim there was.
 * Kishi called it Six Paths Power because that is what the Six Paths Power of Shadow is. I never said that Sasuke said "Yin" in the 1st place, but your inability to make a simple connection astounds me.
 * I sarcastically said it could come from the tailed beast chakra, if you read what I said carefully. Never said it did. Of course Naruto's SPSM comes from Hagoromo's chakra. Never stated to come from the Six Paths Yang Power though.
 * This is not the correct answer. Hagoromo's Six Paths Power of Light granted Naruto the Six Paths Sage mode. When he lost Hagoromo's chakra, he didn't lose Six Paths senjutsu since the Biju already give him this power.
 * Canon is dictated by the author, not the company that writes their own stories based on the author's characters. If all works of Naruto were canon, do you have any idea how much information wouldn't make sense? For instance, the manga flat out stated that Minato invented the Rasengan, yet in the anime, Asura is shown using the Rasengan. And you say that's canon, despite the manga's statements? Please.
 * Such things are dictated by the people that own the series. Your position on how the story wouldn't make sense is irrelevant. Doesn't change the fact that the people that own the series dictate the continuity and that your definition of canon is an incorrect usage of the term. --8Gates (talk) 15:11, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

You can't say that I haven't given any evidence, yet claim that Hagoromo's seals were Hamura's doing even though he clearly had no seals on his hands before giving them to Naruto & Sasuke.

Six Paths Chibaku Tensei in the databook is only stated to be usable by those whom possess Six Paths senjutsu. The seal that Hagoromo put on Sasuke's hand is made up of Six Paths senjutsu. Both the Six Paths Power of Light & Shadow are made up of Hagoromo's Sage chakra.

Sasuke stating that he will use Six Paths Power is simply referring to the Six Paths Power on his palm.

Every single thing that has to do with the power of the Six Paths falls under the category of "Six Paths Power", so Sasuke stating that he is using "Six Paths Power" isn't referring to something else entirely. The Rinnegan is Six Paths Power. Six Paths Senjutsu is Six Paths Power.

The seal is blatantly shown and stated to possess Hagoromo's chakra by Kaguya. Everything I said right now came from the manga or databook, yet I can already predict more nonsense about how I'm not giving any references. My patience is being stretched far too thin.--8Gates (talk) 20:08, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

Predictable, just like I said. I give you a source, then you go on to say that I never gave a reference. Since the direct statements that I quoted from the databook & manga were ignored, that can only be interpreted as a concession. Not wasting any more of my time. --8Gates (talk) 21:34, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

Bug family infobox
In Sarada infobox there is a bug. In Naruto family we don't use Uzumaki Hinata, or Sarutobi for Kurenai.--Sharingan91 (talk) 10:36, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

Refs
Why did you remove "Naruto" from these references? --Sajuuk 14:54, August 24, 2016 (UTC)