Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-734582-20150720112958/@comment-25093611-20150720141322

this is from another thread but i thought it is better to answer here:

LegionZero wrote: No, you keep taking lines of info and saying that there is no way that other things can be true, even though there are numerous examples that it is more complex or there is more to how things work than what that line says. Remember when Kurama was a demon with no thought/intelligence? But wait, now he does. By your logic we have a plot hole now. because we never got the whole infos about kurama in the first place... nobody knew that the bijuus had been one being at the beginning of everything...

but chakra is different, we got a explanation of the way how chakra is created and how it works... it got retconned to the point where it went even against the most basic rules of the NV-verse, you cant call this retcon, afterall the rules still apply for the other chars but conveniently vanished for obito in order to pull of his feat, this is a plothole...

LegionZero wrote: Chakra can exist independently of body or spirit. Bodies can have residual chakra and spirits can have residual chakra. Chakra is made from spiritual and physical but once it is made IT DOESN'T JUST DISAPPEAR! If I made Koolaid and my water was shut off 2 days later, does my Koolaid disappear? Does the water disappear and the koolaid mix stay? No, same concept. yes, if it is created it stays the same, people call sasukes feat with the snake and explosion-escaping BS becase he shouldnt be that fast and have enough chakra... the same for obito, he had nowhere enough to come back alone while he needed SPSM-naruto clones+sakura in order to get remotetly enough chakra for the "kaguya dimension jumping"...

LegionZero wrote:
 * Example: Hagoromo, Obito

Sharingan. Brain chakra is the key, Uchiha eyes are the door. Once you unlock a door, you can open it and close it freely as you want without the key. Sharingan follows this concept.
 * Example: any Uchiha with a Sharingan.
 * counter-example: kakashi

you keep telling me about uchiha eyes... but kakashi doesnt have them, if your theory is correct than it shouldnt be possible to turn kakashis eyes into the sharingan period! but it did happen, therefore, plothole...

even if we say that obito went into kakashi and obitos non-existing brain still had the special chakra it should not work... afterall kakashis eyes are normal...

LegionZero wrote: Eyeless Susanoo: Susanoo puts strain on the whole body. Especially the eyes because it is an inherently Mangekyou ability. Madara had the Rinnegan for a long time. He had to discover eventually that he doesn't need to have the MS to use it. Itachi had his for a long time as well. He is a genius, he would figure it out at 1 point or another. for the bolded part: agree...
 * example: Eyeless Madara, Itachi using Susanoo with Sharingan.

for the other parts: sasuke was mentioned to have mroe talent than madara and itachi, and he still didnt manage this after the timeskip in gaiden? exspecially since he knows that he is weaker after coming back from kaguyas world he should have discovered something like that...

but i will stop this point since i think that this can be added to the same category as "why didnt naruto train after being told that there is a threat bigger than kaguya" :I

LegionZero wrote: Kakashis eyes: Don't put words in my mouth, or read more carefully, Sin. sorry... wasnt my intention... LegionZero wrote: I said Kakashi and Obito had a jinchuriki-like relationship, never that Obito became a Tailed Beast. this is speculation...from the canon-view obitos feat is a plothole... LegionZero wrote: The relationship, the dynamic, is the same. Because Kakashi had Obito's soul inside him, he could manifest Obito's traits so long Obito was within him. Sasuke did this with Orochimaru as well. did the soul change kakashi physically? because if not, than kakashis eyes cant become the sharingan (if we take you own theory and say that "brain and eyes need to be special") ^_^