Talk:Flying Swallow

Proverb
You know just cause its a western proverb doesnt mean Masashi might not know it, besides what other reason do you have to suspect the similarities of the technique to the proverb's meaning. This is insightful and worth putting in the trivia section AMTNinja (talk) 07:24, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Other than blindly assuming that similarities between something mean that something was an inspiration for something is there any actual reference supporting such a comparison. I can hardly believe that "likely" fits something based purely on similarities to something foreign. Especially considering we already have a reference to something not forign. Then there is indirect inspirations. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Jan 3, 2010 @ 07:48 (UTC)
 * Kishimoto-sensei once said in an interview that his English wasn't all that good. So tell me, how likely is it that he would base a technique on a proverb from a language he isn't that familiar with, the proverb not even being that popular or well-known in its native language? --ShounenSuki (talk 09:33, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * And don't forget that we already know that it's likely he based the move name on the Shogi piece (Shogi is Japanese Kishimoto will know more about it; Asuma and Shikamaru's Shogi playing is a key trait about them, so it's highly likely that he had Asuma name the move after a Shogi piece, since he plays Shogi), so that makes a secondary reference even more unlikely. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Jan 3, 2010 @ 09:52 (UTC)
 * Ok, but you can't ignore the fact that the proverb makes perfect sense to the technique's effects, whether it was meant to be that way or not, its still an interesting piece of information, but im pretty sure that this is no coincidence AMTNinja (talk) 00:35, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, it doesn't fit all that well if you think about it. "One swallow does not a summer make" refers to how one cannot take one sign of something and use it as proof, because one instance of an event does not make it a trend. You used it incorrectly, however, interpreting it as referring to something unexpected happening or things taking a turn for the worse.
 * Also, I'll say it again, the chances of someone like Kishimoto-sensei knowing about a Western proverb that is not even that popular in the languages it is actually used in are close to zero. The chances of him using it as the inspiration for a technique, despite there being plenty of Japanese-related inspirations are in the negative numbers. --ShounenSuki (talk 08:33, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Naruto
If I can remember correctly, Naruto has used this technique in both the anime and manga. Can somebody tell me why it has the "Anime-Only" tag on it? --Kracel (talk) 05:00, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * When did Naruto use this in the manga? --ShounenSuki (talk 09:37, January 24, 2010 (UTC
 * Here and Here when Asuma's teaching Naruto how to control Wind chakra. I can remember Naruto doing the same thing in the anime. But I might have missed some anime episodes. --Kracel (talk) 16:08, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow. That blew my day. Alright then.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 16:17, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * So did Naruto actually use this technique, other than the time with Asuma, in the anime? Because I skipped a couple episodes to I might of missed something. --Kracel (talk) 19:43, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Just thinking about it, the main part of this technique is not charging the blade with Chakra (like Naruto did), but to extend his lenght and increase the cutting power. Naruto didn't do anything of that, he just charged the blade with chakra. In the end, in my opinion, Naruto is not a complete user. Even he said: "this is not like Asuma-sensei chakra", because he only charged it.--Kind-Hearted-One (talk) 13:30, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Naruto did increase the cutting power. Remember when he fights Sora, Naruto used Hien to cut through Sora's Chakra Enhanced Triple-Bladed Claw with his Kunai.--Zero62422002 (talk) 17:54, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not like Asuma did. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:04, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Naruto clearly knows how to use this technique, he's clearly seen using it in both the anime AND in "The Lost Tower".--Xeras
 * Like mentioned before, Naruto himself noted that his change wasn't like Asuma's. Clearly not the same way. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:47, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Naruto can obviously use it, just not to the extent that Asuma could wield it. The Flying Swallow just means charging a weapon with wind chakra; depending on how well one uses it, the cutting power is increased OR the effective blade length is increased.  The entire damn Sora Arc was used to describe wind chakra. --Justentizang (talk) 23:53, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * There has been a discussion about this already. If something like that yield the "don't add Naruto" annotation to the page, you should probably take it into consideration, and not add Naruto. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:30, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know this is an old conversation, but it is just killing me. I'm not going to ignore the decision posted on the page and forbids adding Naruto's name, that is why I want to talk about this. We all know that techniques are not naturally all the same in raw power or efficiency. It all depends on the user. Jiraiya showed his Rasengan to be more powerful than Naruto's as a child against Urashiki. Itachi and Shisui's usage of the Sharingan was viewed as the best compared to other natural users of it. I don't deny that Naruto's efficiency in this technique is limited, but he did learn this technique at a basic level in the anime. Asuma personally trained Naruto and Sora until he felt they mastered the basics of it enough.--Steveo920 (talk) 15:08, April 28, 2020 (UTC)
 * There has been no comment yet about this. Can we add Naruto as a user. Again, we have guys like Hōki who use weaker version of the Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique being listed a user.--Steveo920 (talk) 18:19, April 30, 2020 (UTC)
 * The difference that whatever difference Hoki had in his, his jutsu still had the effect proper. What Naruto managed to do with this is the equivalent of his use of the Clone Technique when he failed his Academy exam. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:44, April 30, 2020 (UTC)
 * Naruto's usage did have a proper level of power. He used it to break Sora's claw.--Steveo920 (talk) 22:47, April 30, 2020 (UTC)
 * Except it's still the clone technique isn't it? I doubt anyone will remember, but was Naruto listed as a Rasengan user early on when he was first learning it? Or Boruto for that matter? Not sure what would make this case any different. Mina [[Image:Uzushiogakure Symbol.svg|20px]] talk 02:51, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
 * The Clone Technique is a was basically a fail for Naruto. The Flying Swallow was effective against Sora. I'm not saying that this became one of Naruto's most trusted techniques, just that he gained a level of proficiency in it like how later in life he gained proficiency in the Earth Release: Earth-Style Wall.--Steveo920 (talk) 03:42, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
 * No on has said anything in a week. Can I have the okay to remove the ban for Naruto as a user and list him as a user?--Steveo920 (talk) 13:15, May 9, 2020 (UTC)
 * When did Naruto use this to break Sora's claw? If this had been a clear example, I don't think banning Naruto from being listed would have happened at all. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:59, May 9, 2020 (UTC)
 * Naruto Shippūden episode 66. Just before Naruto faced Fūka, Sora attacked Naruto with his tri-claw. For a brief scuffle, Naruto used the Flying Swallow to counter and break off one of the claws. I think people were banning Naruto as a user before because they were convinced that the technique has to be done perfectly like someone else. But we've seen Kakashi create intricate Earth-Style walls whereas Hiruzen, the top jutsu user Konoha ever had, create a simple stone wall with the same technique.--Steveo920 (talk) 20:27, May 9, 2020 (UTC)
 * If there is no other arguments, I am going to make the change.--Steveo920 (talk) 18:27, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
 * There's still things about this supposed use that muddles the issue. First, his channelling the chakra still isn't on par with what we've seen with other users, the chakra wasn't "sharp" like we see with proper use. There's also the fact he did with a regular kunai, instead of the usual weapon which is all about taking properties of the chakra that flows into it. If consider that an use of this, this means pretty much every basic use of chakra flow through a bladed weapon is Flying Swallow, which defeats the purpose of the jutsu in the first place. Earth Wall ornamentation isn't a marker of the jutsu doing what it's supposed to do, the sharpness of the chakra in Flying Swallow is. Something else, when Naruto broke Sora's claw, he was defending against Sora's attack, not attacking himself (this is an offensive jutsu), and imperfect as Naruto's chakra flow is at the moment, that's still more than what Sora did at that instance, which was no chakra flow at all. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:26, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
 * Again, techniques don't have to be on the exact same performance as others to be authentic. It was never specified that it had to be done with trench knives. Sora and Kazuma are acknowledged as using this technique with their tri-claws. Also, yes the chakra wasn't sharp as Asuma's, but neither was Sora in Shippūden episode 63 yet he still plowed his kunai through a tree and rock. And just because it is official meant for offense, doesn't meant it can't be use to counter. I'm trying to say that Naruto was a master wind-style user at the time, I'm not trying to say he can use the Chakra Blade: Straight Line, I'm just saying he can use this one basic technique.--Steveo920 (talk) 02:42, May 11, 2020 (UTC)
 * It has been over a week. Can we agree to the change?--Steveo920 (talk) 03:42, May 22, 2020 (UTC)
 * Still see nothing worth agreeing over. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:09, May 22, 2020 (UTC)
 * I really don't see why this can't be accepted. Naruto was taught by Asuma. Used the elements of this techniques to help Naruto in his Wind-Style training. Naruto was acknowledged as a user of the Fire Release: Toad Oil Bullet in the anime before actually getting Fire Release, so he should be acknowledged as a used of this technique since he was really training on the basics of it and could actually use Wind Release.--Steveo920 (talk) 21:21, May 22, 2020 (UTC)
 * Can we please agree to add Naruto? I'm not saying Naruto learned every Wind technique that Asuma did. Just this single. move--Steveo920 (talk) 19:26, May 31, 2020 (UTC)
 * I haven't gotten a response yet.--Steveo920 (talk) 00:02, June 8, 2020 (UTC)
 * May I make the change, please?--Steveo920 (talk) 19:37, June 9, 2020 (UTC)
 * How many times do you have to be told no? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:45, June 9, 2020 (UTC)
 * SIGH* Fine. I'll stops this, but is STILL just really feel like this a mistake and Naruto should be added.--Steveo920 (talk) 21:08, June 9, 2020 (UTC)

Element
Does it actually say in the databook or something that wind release is important for this? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 00:42, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that I have access to that link, I cannot find this information in the 3rd databook, so I know it is not that. So why does it imply wind element? The uses could have been two different things.
 * Anyone at all? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 23:32, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it's mainly because so far wind is the only element this technique was seen performed with. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:34, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to quibble, but I thought that when Asuma was showing it to Naruto he was just putting in wind chakra, but against Hidan and Kisame it was more of the chakra flow itself. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 19:29, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Quotation
Are we going to put all techniques with Databook entries like that, literally quoting the databook? Because if we're not, I don't see any reason to do that. It looks extremely awful.--79.152.10.79 (talk) 14:30, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Please posts comments here--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 14:34, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Shikamaru
I have a question, Can Shikamaru use this technique? I reviewed episode #82 of Naruto Shippuden and I found an image to prove that he can use it with a chakra blade perfectly. Is it better to add Shikamaru as a user of this technique only in the anime? Shakhmoot (talk) 19:22, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I just saw that as him practicing how to use them. The Shadow Imitation Shuriken Technique requires chakra to be put into the blade.--Deva 27 20:08, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Though I always thought this technique was wind release (well that and Shikamaru's chakra in the blade should've been black) but any way, he's never used the technique itself. That image is just showing chakra flow.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 02:39, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Shikamaru can use chakra flow but he does not have wind releese jutsu so he can poor it in all the same just not like Asuma, Naruto, Sora, and Kazuma's wind chakra. He just can't meld wind into the blade.

sign your posts, and again... Flying Swallow isn't a Wind Release technique but a combination of Chakra Flow, Shape Transformation and Nature Transformation into a tool/blade/weapon/whatever. I can't say for sure because we know so little about yin-yang and shit and Nara's Shadow Techniques, but he can't use it imo, it's different.--Elveonora (talk) 15:02, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

No Shikamaru can't use it or at least he hasn't. Chakra flow is the basic part of the technique that anyone can do. Wind Release is what makes the technique.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 15:17, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

"_" did you read what I said above? the technique isn't classified as Wind Release not there is any mention of Wind Release in the databook. It can be used with ANY nature, just Wind is best for the cutting effect--Elveonora (talk) 15:56, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Kakashi...
I brought something similar here http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Samurai_Sabre_Technique#flying_swallow What Kakashi did in the latest chapter looks exactly like Flying Swallow and the description fits, Danzo as well... shouldn't we add "Flying Swallow" into their infoboxes? Except Samurai and Sasuke as their techniques are similar but named differently--Elveonora (talk) 16:52, July 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't say so. All canon instances of this technique were shown to use the trench knives, which were made of a special metal that is suited to have chakra flowed through it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:18, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Danzo's technique is Wind Release: Vacuum Blade, not the Flying Swallow technique, also Kakashi's technique is Lightning Release, not Wind Release. TricksterKing (talk) 03:00, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Chakra can be flowed through any object though. @unsigned user, "wind release: vacuum blade" is a made-up name... the difference in Danzo's technique is that he "blows" the wind release chakra onto an object. Also, flying Swallow isn't a wind release technique, it's the very same thing as performed by Kakashi and similar to Danzo's, Sasuke's, B's and Samurai's technique.

The only difference is the usage of chakra blades/kunai. It's not nice to contradict ur own article, there's no mention of Asuma's blades being a requirement for the technique, nor it being unique to Asuma... it says:

"An addition-line ninjutsu that augments the killing power of a blade — like a kunai or sword — by flowing chakra into it. The materialised chakra is shaped like a blade, cutting up everything it touches. It is also possible to alter the attack range of the weapon by adjusting the amount of chakra put into the blade. Seeing through the movements is said to be very difficult.

The density of the chakra is so high it becomes visible. It not only raises the power of the weapon, but simultaneously turns oneself into a blade as well. The chakra-enhanced blades are strong and sharp enough to cut through solid rock and iron. The technique works best with elemental chakra, especially with wind-natured chakra which greatly increases the offensive cutting power." --Elveonora (talk) 02:31, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wind Release: Vacuum Blade isn't a made up name, it was named in one of the games, Danzo's technique might have similar effects but it's not the same technique, what Kakashi did should just be listed as trivia for the lightning cutter for now. TricksterKing (talk) 03:00, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Games = non-canonical made-up names. All Danzo's brand of wind release techniques were unique. Listed for trivia??? Just a reminder, this wiki has a made-up names for techniques used, like this among a few others... and that's okay. Though what Kakashi did fits the description of Flying Swallow, but it's not gonna be listed. Common sense I guess--Elveonora (talk) 03:12, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I'd always thought that non canon names didn't have any kanji listed for them, Kakashi's lightning kunai is already mentioned on the lightning cutter page. TricksterKing (talk) 05:54, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Any names coming from games are still higher in the canon ladder than anything we come up with as place holder names. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:56, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

I'd like some more opinions on this... it doesn't contradicts with anything.--Elveonora (talk) 15:33, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Difference of Chakra Scalpel?
Difference of the Chakra Scalpel?
 * This is made from wind-natured chakra, and it's more lethal.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 14:21, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

@Cerez, nope... @user, chakra scalpel is a medical ninjutsu while this is a chakra flow and nature transformation used with a tool like Asuma's knives--Elveonora (talk) 00:06, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Chakra Flow?
How is this different from basic chakra flow?--Asian711 (talk) 02:53, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * It uses shape transformation as well--Elveonora (talk) 21:26, October 7, 2013 (UTC)