Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26403664-20160228225013/@comment-26403664-20160302203751

Alright so this is my argument for why Hashirama and/or Madara both can together and individually defeat Itachi. First Itachi was a genius. That is an indisputable fact. He was capable of seeing how Planetary Devastion worked just by observing it. However Madara and Hashirama are not stupid, they are insanely smart on their own right. Madara was able to enact plans that Itachi would call smart. He also has an extreme knowledge of ninjutsu and has the same ability of seeing how jutsu work just by looking at them with his sharingan. Hashirama is also very smart, he was able to find a way to save himself from the Evil Disturbance Waltz and he has a knowledge of ninjutsu. Itachi isn't going to outsmart Hashirama or Madara they are very intelligent on their right and have fought opponents on similar strength. Even it the Yata Mirror is unbreakable you still have giant golems and or giant samurai warriors beating down Itachi's susanoo. One swing of Madara's sword or one punch of Hashirama's golem would be strong enough to knock the susanoo a very large distance because of the transfer of kinetic energy. The shield may still hold but it's very likely that the susanoo itself is not strong enough to handle attacks of that magnitude. Being knocked whatever distance away the Susanoo could be broken do due the force of being knocked, even if it is not; Itachi would still be in trouble due to being inside of the susanoo. Now let's say the susanoo itself can withstand attacks from Hashirama and or Madara, both of those battle avatars are not slow. They aren't as fast as Naruto or the flying thunder god jutsu but they aren't immovable and it's nearly impossible to avoid attacks. It could be POSSIBLE to kill Itachi before he can even summon his susanoo or use his shield. Ignoring that, Itachi's sword still has to pierce Madara's susanoo and or Hashirama's wood golem to take effect, Itachi would have to get into range which leaves him wide open for attack and his sword is not going to pierce another battle avatar. Other battle avatars are able to take own the desructive capacities of tailed beast balls like they are no problem, the Sword of Totsuka wasn't credited with such an extreme destructive capability. Even if anything I just said doesn't apply both Hashirama and or Madara can last for a total of 24 hours, Itachi cannot last nearly that long, which has been established, Madara and or Hashirama would outlast Itachi. Now with Itachi's genjutsu both Madara and Hashirama are capable of avoiding genjutsu. Hashirama has fought Uchiha his entire life and knows how to combat them, Madara is an uchiha (self-explanatory). Madara has a stronger sharingan than Sasuke who broke out of Itachi's Tsukoyomi, Madara is more than capable of breaking that genjutsu (Hashirama is debatable). Now Madara with Rinnegan has wood style, so does Hashirama. They have wood techniques capable of bypassing Susanoo defenses especially since they know exactly how the susanoo works. Wood style could pull Itachi out of his susanoo, use pollen, and restrain him and his susanoo. Madara with his sharingan is still capable of outlasting Itachi and would albeit just have to rely on outlasting him because I don't know if he can pull Itachi out of his susanoo. While speed is not credited to any of the combatants. Itachi's biggest speed feat was keeping up with Sage Mode Kabuto and NCCM Naruto. Madara was able to react to A, Naruto in Kurama Mode, and able to completely surprise Naruto in sage mode and Sai and knock them to the ground while blind. Madara was also capable of dodging the Flying Thunder God Slash, albeit with senjutsu, never the less he did. Hashirama has proven his skill in kenjutsu and taijutsu. And being stronger than Madara implies he had to be able to compete with Madara in those fields and he is a sage mode user. Sage Mode users are fast. Perfect Sage Mode users are fast, that is a speed feat.