Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36512555-20180814043009/@comment-34656247-20180821010734

Ninja Of War wrote: What??..If it's shown in the manga in context of full on combat, why are you still arguing against it?..Exclamation points don't always indicate surprise. On the flip side, a lack of an exclamation does not necessarily indicate a lack of surprise. It's a big reach to assume that and an even bigger reach to say that Naruto wasn't surprised so Obito's speed must be lacking. Because he's misunderstanding the scenes greatly,just because Obito was exchanging blows with Naruto means that he is as fast? um no...just because Naruto was in combat with Obito means that he is clocking his max speed? um no.There are a few other guys who fought KCM Naruto, i don't think they'll have the same speed as KCM N does just because they fought, like the jinchuriki's for example. Concerning the exclamation marks, can you provide a few scenes to backup what you just said [i have a few also..] cuz i think that's the whole point of using exclamation marks, to express astonishment, or any other such strong emotion etc....[why would he give off such a reaction if he really was in danger?]

On to Obito, Obito actually has a speed feat for being in combat with Naruto in TBM He has a speed feat, but these guys are arguing that he is as fast or he is faster than KCM Naruto..what do you say?

Combat wrote: How long does it take to reset balance? All he needed to do was put his foot back on the ground. deactivate chakra arm+ bijuu dama if it is preventing him from moving. And no, obito didn't simply dash. We can clearly tell that because at first the chakra arm was running straight through him. In the next panel, he was on the right side of the chakra arm from naruto's perspective. So obito wasn't even moving in a straight line ( the shortest path between two points) and he still almost tagged naruto before naruto could seemingly move Hmmm..what i'm trying to grasp also is Naruto's reaction, you mentioned the spincer attack thingy which could hint that he was indeed making way for guy to attack...cuz i don't see why he would make such a reaction if he was actually in danger....
 * Well it now seems you have the edge on this part of the argument,as it's now something i can agree on, but what i can't agree on is you stating that he is faster than KCM Naruto simply just because of that!, and you even tried to make base Gai as fast also just to suit obito. I can't agree on those two things,i need more convincing scenes..if Naruto was not holding and maintaing something so heavy AND the distance between Obito and Naruto had been much longer then yea i would've taken that as a definite speed feat. We can't ask  How long does it take to reset balance? when we're using the manga here as it's obviously motionless, and with the bullet-time addition to it, it'll be even impossible to answer the how long question for all we know that entire scene could've just happened in 6 seconds or less....


 * Anyways, the chakra arm was launched at Obito on page 7, last panel to the left shows the arm going through Obito's butt [don't worry he kamuied...] it was kinda pointing downwards which kinda proves that Obito had already launched his leap/dash,page 8 first panel shows obito in mid air [he is literally higher than Naruto, My point now is that he was travelling above the chakra arm a little to the left [his shadow was seen aside the chakra arm]

I never said the rinnegan makes you automatically kcm speed, i said it gives a hypothetical boost in speed. I don't know anything about hinata, and nagato's legs were supposedly crippled. I know madara is fast and is probably faster than obito, seeing as how madara blitzed sage naruto like it was nothing. and we don't know if edo madara is faster than ayy, he was playing around with them the whole fight and when he got serious he off-paneled the 5 kage with ease.
 * Well i said you were hinting so...which is way true because as i said the Obito that fought konan is the same that has no speed feat throughout the series, and that Obito is the same that got the rinnegan immediately after the konan battle and suddenly he's kcm speed? ok....


 * Ah he couldn't move..he was also gonna try to move to dodge the acid that was coming from infront, then Ay appeared. If he was actually faster then he would've avoided both attacks by either jumping up or going back...but no, he isn't fast as Ay. Madara playing with the kages doesn't mean he would'nt try to dodge a simple attack,i mean he was going to evade the acid so.... and, well dodging Ay is also a way of the author giving us a speed feat of Madara but that didn't happen so no.