User talk:TheUltimate3

Is this allowed ?
Is it allowed to do this ? --Speysider (Talk Page) 21:13, May 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's what I thought and my belief is that it'd count as being fanart, but I wasn't really asking you to do anything about it, just wanted to know if it was allowed or not. --Speysider (Talk Page) 09:24, May 13, 2012 (UTC)

Narutopedia talk:Image policy
If that's the case, then User_talk:EzioLover should be suspended for updating images. If he does not get suspended, clearly you only made that declaration to stop me uploading. --Speysider (Talk Page) 19:05, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

you mean i cant upload any images?? but i didnt know about this declaration so please forgive me i just downloaded the blu-ray version and i wanted to update thats all...and for how much time?? --EzioLover (talk) 19:18, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

I'm a bit slow to understand so I have a few questions. Bear with me por favor.
 * does that mean no this-ing?
 * Do you also mean no doing this or do you mean uploading entirely different files and replacing the images currently in the articles or both?--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 19:23, May 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Suppose in the switching out of manga images when the anime airs (that's still allowed right o.O). And an image is uploaded: bem but someone else finds an even better version: bam not in terms of quality or fodder like that but in terms of showing the "entirety" of the technique/scene from the manga version... Is that mk? --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 19:45, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

While I see the reasoning for your edit here, the problem is, that's like the only good shot that exists in the episode. Chances are, we won't see it again. :( --Speysider (Talk Page) 12:10, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * If it comes up again, will I be able to change it ? --Speysider (Talk Page) 12:12, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Let me apologise for the failure of the Biju Rasengan image. -.- I've added in a comment tag above the Fair Use Rationale to remind me to update that image when a shot appears that's similar to the manga image that also has Naruto in it. --Speysider (Talk Page) 12:24, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Offer of Assistance
You know, I was just thinking about this, and I thought I'd extend my hand in this offer. I know I have an edit count of just under 200, but you know my record from around Wikia as a whole. Perhaps I could lend your administration a hand on the Image issue? You know, categorization, making sure all the proper tags are on them and whatnot, and deletion of duplicates or images that violate policy. What do you think? Besides, the only reason I'm not too active over here is because I can never seem to find something to get involved with. Those sticks over there on Bleach Wiki seem to have a hernia whenever anyone other than themselves make an edit, so I haven't really found a home on one of the canon wikis yet. Maybe that can change. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 23:16, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Adoption discussion
As someone involved in the Forum:Administrative_Declaration dispute, I thought you would be interested in w:forum:AR:Adoption request for Narutopedia Wiki since it appears to be related to it. I also contacted Dantman. This wiki's got a lotta SysOps'n Rollbackers and active editors so contacting them all is kinda intimidating =P +Yc 06:17, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * ... Need I say more? — S im A nt 06:42, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I've been way out of it this weekend. What's happening?--TheUltimate3 Uzumaki Symbol.svg (talk) 09:49, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * The adoption request has absolutely nothing to do with the Declaration, Tyciol is completely out of the loop and has simply jumped in without a clue of what the real issue is. I simply placed an adoption request for someone here to be made a crat because of the fact there are no active bureaucrats. Last I heard, the wiki goes up for adoption if all bureaucrats are not active for 2 months. --Speysider (Talk Page) 09:53, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see. I was under the impression when Dantman wasn't around I act in his stead since I believe it was me and Dantman who started moving in like 2009. /shrug Guess I never thought we needed a bureaucrat.--TheUltimate3 Uzumaki Symbol.svg (talk) 09:59, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Bureaucrats are the only people who can set people to Rollback status and there are a whole pile of people in the Rollback group that never come here any more. There are many people on this wiki who deserve rollback status but simply can't get it due to the lack of any active bureaucrats. --Speysider (Talk Page) 10:06, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks :)
Thanks for putting the latest episode article back to the proper name. :) --Speysider (Talk Page) 11:44, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Edo Tensei stuff
Could you switch out the images for the Edo Tensei article when/if they're uploaded. Protection and all that.

Alsooo, I was minding my own business yesterday when I came across some information... you're the Bleach wikia founder O_O I was thoroughly impressed and also realised that... you're really a fossil =\ --Cerez 365 ™(talk) 12:11, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Lool don't you hate when that happens though. I have a friend that begged for bureaucrat status on a wiki and once he got it he demoted the founder and then took over the wikia. =\

I think I have a full grasp on the declaration, it's just that Edo Tensei is sysop-level protected and all.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 12:23, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Just needed someone to slap sense into us.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 12:27, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

This as well por favor.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 12:36, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cerez, he changed the protection level so you can add it yourself :) --Speysider (Talk Page) 12:38, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Image Upload Hogging
I believe there is such a thing as hogging the image uploading. When I mean that, I don't mean that they hold it ransom and forbid anyone touching it :P. What I generally mean by it is that other users upload their images and don't let other people try to upload their own, maybe better quality, images which is slightly aggrieving as it seems like other people are being written out of the equation and not being allowed to contribute. --Speysider (Talk Page) 12:20, May 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know people can upload when they want, but it's annoying if other people can't upload because "someone" else has already uploaded before them and nobody will allow the newer image to be used. --Speysider (Talk Page) 12:30, May 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * "I want Impure World Reincarnation to be Resurrection. I want Sage Art: Many Ultra-Big Ball Spiralling Serial Spheres to be Sage Art: Super Big Ball Rasentarengan. I desperately want Minato's full body shot out of his article. But unfortunately, save for the last one, there have been descent, disagreements, and finally closure."


 * I don't see how this has any relevance to Image Upload Hogging. -.- --Speysider (Talk Page) 13:08, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Song Pages
Hello TheUltimate3, I was wondering if you could help me with this page as we do not know if it is the right song. Kunoichi101 had put a delete tag on it but I'm not sure if we should keep it on there or if we should do something else. Can you please help? Joshbl56 08:01, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Site Notice
Hey TU3, the declaration has ended? And where does we use that? :D —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 11:09, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Lifted Embargo
Oh how I wish you hadn't Ulti-san.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 18:45, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Doomed.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 19:02, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

tt
Hello

Madara
U edit 'madara' page and remove that image:

madarassusanoo.jpg

Why? Spoiler?

and thx, i'll try don't contribute again.

Episode Names
Why do people change the name of the episode articles to the "literal" translation, rather than just using the name given by the animators and the one listed on Wikipedia ? :S --Speysider (Talk Page) 11:24, June 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * I like it when the episodes are named how they were named. If someone comes here and see an article about Episode 30 and the article name differs from the official name, then they would be confused. Consistency is better for the anime episodes imo. --Speysider (Talk Page) 11:37, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Image
y r u deleting my image again and again???

ok i get it sorry for d trouble:)

Re: If it's not obvious by now...
It's my style and I've made it my style because of all the heat and arguments this wiki has had with me over the most ridiculous of reasons. --Speysider Talk Page 12:38, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't. However, I feel that sometimes being "antagonistic" to people can make them better editors so we don't have to keep reminding people not to break policies. That's just my opinion though.

"Because I will be watching."


 * STALKER! /jokes --Speysider Talk Page 12:44, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Kunoichi101
You might want to get involved with this again. The user is still acting high and mighty and is refusing to listen to anyone and constantly freaks out for absolutely no reason whatsoever --Speysider Talk Page 15:42, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * "And for the record, English in the infoboxes, not an issue."

It doesn't do anything. It shows up nothing whatsoever on the infoboxes. All that was added was the episode's name. =.=


 * "Unfortunately, it would be an abuse of my ability to unblock you Kunoichi"

She was not blocked for the large edits, I believe she was blocked for poor wiki etiquette towards other users when asked basic questions


 * I am getting the feeling you are very against everything I try to do here. That's my opinion because it feels very much like it. --Speysider Talk Page 22:24, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know, I'm following up on your comments, is all. --Speysider Talk Page 22:27, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I suppose, but I feel the way I try to get newer editors on how things work here does have its merits. If someone can't take a slightly blunt response, then clearly they aren't editors who would last here very long. If people take the bluntness and improve on it, they can become better editors. But yeah, you are right: it's a battle of ideals and obviously I try to go along with the wiki culture as best as possible, but I do feel that some of the culture from before does need to shift and change to adapt to today's standards. --Speysider Talk Page 22:37, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

"Not your choice to make. I do not want Narutopedia to be one of those closed off wikis where new users are scared off because the current body make it look like a frat where only a few chosen people can get in."

I know, I don't intend to be that intimidating lol

"But I'm not doing anything of physical importance as of now, so tell me what parts of our culture do you feel need adapting?"

The whole culture about the images. When the latest episode came out, I uploaded several images. Now, out of all those images, I can guarantee just one of them is being used. The rest were replaced by cropped images. I keep feeling as though there are some users here who are jealous of me having the ability to capture at 1920x1080 (applies only to Nartuo Shippuden) since not a lot of people can and because of that, my images are either cropped for no reason or not used at all in favour of other user's images. If I counted all the images I've uploaded, I'd guarantee 2/5 of them are being used.

There was also another case with the rationale. Fairly recently, Cerez went to about 4 of my images and just changed the rationale for no reason, citing "useless info". This then started an unnecessary revert war, since (from what I understand) the rationale is to depict THAT image. They aren't supposed to be streamlined to be matching. The stuff he removed was relating to the image being 1080p High Definition and that if the image was to be replaced, it had to be 1920x1080 or greater, not less. I asked Jacce to sysop protect those images due to it.

There are many other things, but those two are most prominent imo. I feel that the wiki should be taking advantage of Shippuden's 1080p quality and not tossing it away with crappy 480p images. -- Speysider Talk Page 22:56, June 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know this probably is none of business, but what's going with Kunoichi101? Well, sorta of my business, I suppose. I know her, personally. She's not the type to stir trouble. Maybe I can talk to her? We used to go school together, so she'll listen to me.-- Ninja Sheik  22:49, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * You might try reading the messages at her talkpage. ~IndxcvNovelist (talk 22:53, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

English
Just a question. Why do we need to add the literal english if it is the same with the article name? ~IndxcvNovelist (talk 22:39, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Then it should be added only in such cases.... — ¤ U LTIMATE S UPREME¤ (T@lk)☺ 03:07, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Signature
I'm going to ask you to stop changing your signature, you're in direct violation of point 12, subsection note 2-3. If you persist, I'll be forced to call down Shodaime TranClan to ban you.

Best Regards, Pleasedon'tbanme.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 02:22, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Serious? ~IndxcvNovelist (talk 03:44, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Re: My take on your "Culture" issue
"If an image is cropped, I assume they are done because we don't really need the entire image. In fact, typically we don't want the entire image."

Most of the character images I upload from Shippuden are tagged HDShot. I tag them like this because it's HD and the image should stay HD. If it is cropped out of the 16:9 ratio, by default and by computer logic, the image stops being HD automatically, which gives a misleading filename. Hence why, I put in my rationale that it's a 1080p HD image and that if it's to be replaced (eg, using the upload a new version system), it must be in 1080p and not less, because that's a degradation of the original quality. In the File:Ninja Swordsmen Revived.png file, another user uploaded over my 1080p image with a tiny image that generally violated the replaceability of the image in the rationale. My opinion is that if you want the rationale to say only specific things and not be user-generated, you should create a form that simply gives predefined rationale that can't be changed.

"The "image can only be replaced by another 1080p" image is in my opinion, not a valid rational. As you've stated earlier, not many people have the ability to change the image in that case which gives you an edge (I suspect that was the point, to avoid the problems you were having with Culture Issue #1) but I understand why it was removed. Valid implacability rationals is more, "Image of similar rational", "Image that shows a better representation of the described" ect."

It's there to stop what happened on the file mentioned above by the replacement of an image that is less than 1920x1080 (or around that if cropped). I don't put that there to give myself an edge: I just don't like it when I upload large 1920x1080 images (some are nearly 2MB or larger) and then having them cleared for much smaller and not-so-great quality images.

"The issue is not the quality, but representation. I don't care if an image is 360p as long is it represents things right."

Quality is just as important as the representation of an image. You could have a perfect representation of an image, but terrible quality. It won't look good for the wiki if we have a lot of people uploading terrible images with a perfect representation of the image. --Speysider Talk Page 10:49, June 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * "Doesn't change the fact it's not a valid rational."


 * I can't seem to find anything written down that you must write the rationale a specific way. I put in 1080p High Definition because the images I upload are just that: 1080p. They should not be replaced by an image of anything lower than that (using the Upload a new version of the file: if it's a separate file, then that's not violating the replaceability).


 * "You are right however, quality is important, still not as important as representation, but yes it is important."


 * It's important when in the case of character infobox images. Click here for an example. This image is a good representation, but it's let down by the fact the image is of a terrible quality due to the grainy background, which is severely degrading that image.


 * "It is not important enough however where a made up rational that reads like "this way, only a few people can upload images!" is appropriate."


 * It's not written as to intend that. You said yourself that you can access 1920x1080 resolution. I got my Crunchyroll account to improve the wiki with much higher quality images, I didn't get it to waste my money since I don't really need to watch in 1080p but I do for the improvement of this wiki. --Speysider Talk Page 11:04, June 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * "However I'm getting away from myself. I'm not interested in just images. What else concerns you about our culture. I'm sure it's not just images."


 * I can't think of anything really, my pet peeve is just how some users handle a situation with the images I upload and some users are too fixed in one specific way and they don't seem to want to change it. There's another culture that I have to address and it's with the release of a new episode. I don't think your aware of it, but when the new episode is released on Thursday, Cerez literally spams uploads to the wiki for various images. He clearly mentioned here:

"Cerez365"

- Also, my "hogging" of uploading images as the self-proclaimed image queen chief (I always thought I was just the Herald) has been brought up as an issue. Thinking about it, this might actually be the underlying issue and though I didn't see anyone going out of their way to do this for me, nor did I complain- I paid my dues as a noob ( '-'), I'll try to curb that and give some of the younger ones more of a chance to contribute in that manner.


 * However, several weeks later, I have seen absolutely no indication whatsoever that Cerez intends to curb his uploading and he is certainly giving nobody else a chance to upload. His belief (in my opinion) is that "I upload an image and I will revert any attempts to make the image better" which is extremely selfish because he's clearly telling people that he wants to continue being the chief image uploader and he's refusing to give other people, like me, the chance to even try. I suggested at one point in the declaration that a list of images that need swapped out (manga -> anime) should be provided by someone on the episode's talkpage so that the community can get involved and so it wouldn't be the same 3 people uploading images. That obviously hasn't went anywhere because of Cerez's attitude to hogging the uploader. I checked the upload log and he uploaded at least 15 images, maybe even more, on the release of the recent episode. I barely got in 8 and had I not got my 8 uploads in, Cerez would probably have 25 uploads. Please don't tell me that's not hogging the uploader because if someone uploads 25 images within 30 minutes, it is. He's giving nobody else the chance and I understand that he's not able to rewatch the episodes, but if that's the case, then all he should be doing is listing the manga images, enjoying the episode more and not just watching it for the sake of spamming the wiki with images. --Speysider Talk Page 11:13, June 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * There isn't really any other concerns, other than the ones I've pointed out above. There are probably other cultures that I'm not aware of but the main one that I get involved in is the images. --Speysider Talk Page 11:23, June 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Something I didn't mention is that I have messaged Cerez 2-3 times now, asking him quite politely to remember that he said he would curb the uploads but he hasn't ever responded or even listened. It's why I feel I should mentioned it to you so you can let him know. --Speysider Talk Page 13:10, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Talkpage Policy
I didn't threaten him. I told him that if he removed my messages again then I would list him for blocking on Jacce's talkpage. I was slightly blunt but not threatening =.= --Speysider Talk Page 22:40, June 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * @TheUltimate3 Thank you for your support. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 03:29, June 21, 2012 (UTC))


 * I haven't been revert warring. Edit warring either on purpose. I try not to fight on here and yes, this week I have made some mistakes, but I haven't tried to add anything on the article that isn't true. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 11:38, June 21, 2012 (UTC))


 * What is interesting about them. I know some were pointless, I just let my favoritism and respect for Madara go too far by here and there adding things true, but unnecessary. I won't do that anymore though. From here on, I'll only attribute abilities that are existent and that no one has added or edit his page to correct spelling errors and such. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 12:07, June 21, 2012 (UTC))


 * What didn't you like about them. You retorted my thanking you for supporting me against Speysider's threat and said that my edits catching your eye were not usually a good thing. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 12:20, June 21, 2012 (UTC))


 * It was not a threat, it was slightly blunt but not threatening =.=
 * Why don't you just leave it be since TU3 has told you he has become interested in your edits ? --Speysider Talk Page 12:22, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the misunderstanding TheUltimate3. I will try not to make you hate them then. The Fox king(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 12:43, June 21, 2012 (UTC))

File move
Please move this to File:Nidaime Mizukage.png. I typo'd the name =.= --Speysider Talk Page 13:08, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Main Article
I got a problem from Speysider. He told me that using main article on the main characters/supporting characters is not necessary. so can the anime filler in part II the same as the Adventures at Sea Arc??? I don't want to have a fight with him. Kunoichi101 (talk) 23:24, June 21, 2012 (UTC)Kunoichi101
 * you should know that kunoichi101 asked for the comminuties opinion because this is a community and not run by one people and now that the community doesnt agree with him he wnats it deleted but it shouldnt be deleted so i will give you the link to it and please dont delete it ok? because it should be talked about by everyone here is the link Forum:Main Article with the anime filler--

Excessive Uploads
User:Droidkaju is excessively uploading for the past couple of days. In 2 days, he's uploaded nearly 25 images and a lot of them are of poor quality (I know game images are poor quality, but I think they could be much better than the ones he's uploading), unnecessary (5 images for a technique is pointless) and contain black bars. I didn't want to tell him since it would seem pointless, so I'd thought I'd let you know. --Speysider Talk Page 13:44, June 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem with it... — S im A nt 14:49, June 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am not saying there is a problem, nor do I care. I am merely making mention of it. =.= --Speysider Talk Page 15:51, June 25, 2012 (UTC)

I'm beginning to have a problem with the excessive uploading by the user I mentioned up above. He's so eager to upload crap tons of images that he's uploading images that show nothing but a coloured blur, continually contain black bars and are generally unusuable on the wiki. --Speysider Talk Page 19:23, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Video Game forum
can you look at this. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Video_game_characters Kunoichi101 (talk) 06:28, June 28, 2012 (UTC)Kunoichi101

so you watch naruto. who is your favorite team. my is team 7--Nicole Janine Holbrook (talk) 15:58, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Image embargo
I didn't think I'd need to ask this, but we need another image embargo. The number of people constantly uploading images that are watermarked by Saiyan Island is ridiculous. Even if it's only for 2 weeks, it would at least stop the nuisance others are creating. --Speysider Talk Page 22:04, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Problem
Talk:Sage Mode. This has gone completely out of control and Elveonora is literally bashing and insulting people for no reason. --Speysider Talk Page 21:56, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Naruto's Page
Hello there! I was wondering if you could go back and fix the Naruto page because Gabriel Dal Belo has some text (very small but really annoying). Joshbl56 23:35, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Road to stuff
Heller. If you would, could you please add a == See Also == section on the movie's article and put the Road to Naruto The Movie article underneath it. The page is protected.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 14:39, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

rationales
I'm trying to make small fixes to rationales, for example, just so they say the right thing and they are being reverted. Nothing is wrong with my edit so I don't see Cerez's continual problems with my contributions. I get proper internet access for a couple hours and already I can't contribute =.= --Speysider Talk Page 14:53, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you don't want it to be a valid rationale, that is your problem, not mine. Go and talk about it in private with the other admins and make it a rule, then I might stop putting it in. Until that time arrives, it's perfectly valid until other admins say otherwise. You and Cerez gang up on me every single time I try to improve this wiki. --Speysider Talk Page 14:58, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that, I only saw the first bit and misread what you had said. Again, apologies. I've strike out'd the above since I was a bit hasty =] --Speysider Talk Page 15:01, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to point out, just so you know Ulti for future references that I'm using the standard mark up that has been used on the template which explains the fair use rationale as well as the one that everybody who is here now excluding the user above me uses as well users who were here before my time have used. Now while I don't mind overlooking the images uploaded by said user and their rationale, I am not going to let it spread to other rationales. I see no need to overcomplicate something as simple as rationale. It's high quality write Resolution= High and call it a day.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 15:07, July 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * But it isn't! That's your problem, you don't know what the resolutions are for HD so you think none of these images are HD, when they are. Even the images you and others have uploaded are 720p HD and that is why I am putting it in. It's your problem if you don't want to accept that because TU3 is actually agreeing with me that it's fine to put in 720p High Definition. --Speysider Talk Page 15:13, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 15:16, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry about this Ulti. I was just explaining my position to you. I don't intend to entertain this.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 15:20, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Request
I shouldn't be asking this, but I'm going to have to now. Please tell Cerez to back off and stop being so antagonising about all my edits and to stop revert warring with everything I do. I'm really starting to become bored of his behaviour because he is out to get me. Cerez, I know you'll read this but I do not want you to reply because you will, as you always do, skew the facts and make me out to be a bad guy for no reason whatsoever. --Speysider Talk Page 16:58, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * This problem will never end. Admin intervention will always be needed. Let's take the case of this file. You told me it was perfectly fine on my talk page to put "720p High Definition" on the resolution parameter of the rationale and Cerez just ignored me and continued to revert my edit which really did piss me off because, if I get an admin's clearance, there should be no discussion because the staff have said "I approve of this, case closed". Instead of being civil and reading my edit summaries, he has become immature and has descenced to using pathetic insults and calling me a child which I'm not going to tolerate. I'm not going to waste a single bit of my time trying to make him grow up because he won't and as I said previously, the issue will not be solved until the admins intervene. I'm doing nothing wrong, I am trying to defend my edits and I get yelled at constantly. --Speysider Talk Page 18:58, July 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Believe me I have tried and have been ignored completely. He is refusing to listen to me and does not address me by my username anymore and just calls me "User" or "child" so I'm not wasting my time bringing it up to him to end the feud. He will only stop if an admin tells him to. --Speysider Talk Page 19:21, July 21, 2012 (UTC)