Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-44916514-20200123204114/@comment-43403813-20200201231259

@Jason

You're making an assumption that Itachi has made a summoning contract with this crow.

As you've said yourself, every eye is innate and different, not only the pattern shown. Shisui's eyes had a distinct colour that Ao recognised, which implies that there are more differences with each eye than said pattern. Itachi would have still been able to programme the usage of Amaterasu against Obito's specific eye.

You're clutching at straws here. No, Itachi cannot reprogram the eye during a battle, that's a ridiculous claim. Why don't you try and say that Itachi can reprogram an opponent's eye to implode on itself while you're at it.

I'm pretty sure we can clearly see that Madara tanked the Oodama Senjutsu-amped Rasenshuriken. Even after the smoke clears, Madara is clearly not regenerating, as there are visible off-colour flakes that have not regained his skin colour. Hence, we can understand that Madara definitely did tank that attack. Besides, the smoke literally left in the next couple panels, and you were trying to tell me that Koto is an "instantaneous" attack earlier.

Your reference of Lee kicking through Madara aids my argument as well. It reinforces the notion that ninjutsu attacks and physical attacks are of a very different nature. I am very sure that a senjutsu-amped Rasenshuriken has more destructive power than a kick from Lee, but as I said earlier, chakra preservation and resilience is a thing. Which brings us back to your point: Kurama avatar tanking Juubi Bijuu Dama, a chakra-based attack, does not mean that it can tank an extremely strong physical attack, like Tengai Shinsei.

Ao said his "chakra network was quiet" because Danzo was literally casting Koto in that moment. If Ao said something like "Danzo stopped controlling Mifune", or "Danzo lifted the technique", then I'd have more truck with your argument, but he didn't, Ao said "the jutsu is undone". Mifune had just begun to talk about giving power and leadership to the Hokage, just as Ao inspected Danzo. Again, the shown process of Koto conflicts with what you are trying to argue; Koto is clearly not continuous and I've explained this before. The crow and the eye were both burned with Amaterasu and its effects (cast only once) remained intact. Danzo's usage of the eye would have been the same: it is cast only once, and Mifune has a new "idea" that remains, whether or not Shisui's eye is active. Nothing implies that Danzo was using this genjutsu as soon as the Summit began, and nothing implies that he ceased a continuous casting of the genjutsu. It would have been suspicious if Mifune immediately began talking as if he had already made up his mind before a "Summit", an event of debate and deliberation.

The only difference between genuine Koto and programmed Koto is that programmed Koto is limited to who it can target. It has to be programmed to target a specific individual, whereas Koto inside a person's head (who understands how to use it) is instead effective on anyone because of the caster's direct control of the tech.

It honestly baffles me why you think that this is out-of-character for Madara. He sent down the Tengai Shinsei and gladly obliterated himself because he knew that he'd reform and that the 4th Division would be decimated. We've seen Edo Madara do everything that I have said in one single fight against the 4th Division and the 5 Kage. STOP using this bs excuse to back up your argument and undermine my own. Anyways, seeing the chakra build-up in the eyeball is a key indicator of a genjutsu being used, as seen with Ao and many other Naruto-world battles, and Madara is a war-veteran who eventually turned on his fellow Uchiha and the Hidden Leaf; he'd be aware of this indicator.