Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170916201627/@comment-24824859-20170916235603

Vladosaurus wrote: You do realize that there is a reason on why Sasuke needed to put the tailed beast under a genjutsu, right?The Bijuu could've just break out of the CT like Naruto did against Pain.Sasuke's CT it's not stronger, and it was nothing that made me believe otherwise. Sasuke's CT is the exact same, except that it turns it's target into the core. Which is you think about it, it's pretty much identical to what the original CT, if anything it makes it easier for the target to avoid getting trapped. If Sasuke's case, the target case simply utilize strong attacks to destroy the grounds that are coming towards him, which in Madara's And Hashirama's case should be easy. In the original CT, the target itself is pulled towards the absorbing orbit and in that case, you're having a way harder time to escape it, since you are pulled towards the center. And please, like it was said, Momoshiki, who had like no displayed sensing abilities whatsoever counter the ameno. Momoshiki didn't even sense Boruto's rasengan who was coming straight to him, and still countered ameno. And you are telling me, that somebody who uses a SM that already countered teleportation before, can't do the same? This is not TTJ Madara. Madara and Hashirama aren't as physical strong as the Tailed Beasts so they aren't breaking out of Sasuke's CT like 8-Tailed Naruto did when he was trapped in Nagato's Deva Path's CT. Explain how breaking out of Sasuke's CT is easier than breaking out of the conventional one. Madara and Hashirama aren't breaking out of Sasuke's CT and I'll explain why: So like I said, Madara and Hashirama aren't getting out of Sasuke's CT You continue to ignore that SPSM Naruto was nearly caught off-guard by Sasuke's Ameno/Chidori combo. SPSM Naruto is one of the best sensors in the entire series and yet he was nearly caught off-guard. Hashirama and Madara, who in this case have a much inferior SM, won't be reacting to Sasuke's Ameno/Chidori combo. Super Momoshiki's sensing ability is questionable, but his reactions aren't as he was able to fight Naruto and Sasuke at the same time. So of course he was able to react to Sasuke. Were you paying attention to the film/manga? Momoshiki thought that Boruto's Vanishing Rasengan failed so he had let his guard down, that's why it hit him. TTJ-Madara has better sensing than his pre-TTJ self. Right before he became the TTJ, Madara had his own sensing ability which was bolstered by the sage chakra he stole from Hashirama. Therefore, TTJ-Madara has his own sensing + SM boost + TTJ boost. What led you to believe that TTJ-Madara didn't have sensing? There are many other ways for Sasuke alone to destroy Madara and Hashirama. Killer723 wrote: eh okay, so Madara and Hashirama , both in Sage Mode , won't be able to keep up with Naruto and Sasuke ?
 * Madara can destroy incoming debris that is coming towards him. But that is not enough to stop the technique. Rocks will continue to come towards Madara. CT won't stop until the planetoid is formed. So as long Madara continues to burn rocks coming towards him, rocks will continue to fly towards him. At this rate, Madara will run out of chakra and be crushed by CT
 * Unlike Madara, most of Hashirama's jutsus are constructs. So whatever, jutsu he conjures up, it will be rendered ineffective since it will be pulled towards him, speeding up the process of CT.

lemme repeat both of them sensory type + Sage Mode, but even then those two are faster then hungryghost Itachi version ?

Madara has Susano, Wood clones , Limbo clones , + rinne abilities , but Sasuke will bypass all of that and use Ameno ? Lets not forget Sage Mode.

Hashirama, Mokuton , Wood dragon , Wood clones once again , Mokuton keepable of fighting PS , and holding Tail bomb with bare hands , experience against Nine Tail , 1000 hand Tangan , ehh deep forest , deep forest bloom.

Am sorry, but Sasuke ain't bypassing anything , nor Naruto will be able to blitz anyone. For those two to stay in play they will have to go in their respective Avatars. And even then they gonna lose, due the fact that Naruto has no counter for Limbo , and we seen what limbo enhanced with Sage Mode done to Naruto and his Avatar.

And i don't think i need to bring out Gedo statue do i ? Can Hashirama and non-TTJ Madara touch, let alone keep up with TTJ-Madara like Sasuke did in more than one occasion? I don't think so. Sasuke is much faster than Hashirama and non-TTJ Madara, so he can blitz them. Sasuke has a stronger Susanoo, can easily avoid Limbo, and has Lightning Release and Blaze Release techniques that will render any Wood Release technique. Need I remind that Sasuke, with a simple Chidori, destroyed a mountain-busting asteroid? There are many ways for Sasuke to handle the duo. I'm sorry, but there is no way for Madara and Hashirama to handle a person who has fought on par with god-tier characters. Not to mention, Naruto (although in a weaker form) will be able to handle the duo with his speed and endless nukes