Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-6769189-20200705100921/@comment-6769189-20200713081827

LaughingLyon wrote: Rinne Sharingan is a distinct Dojutsu

It’s not a “stronger “ Rinnegan

I hope this isn’t one of those Hokage Naruto doesn’t have SPSM threads Unfortunately it somehow got hijacked into a "Naruto has SPSM but not SPS" thread

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

If Otsusuiki can create ten tails chakra(SPS) then tenntails absorbed that chakra from Kaguya after merging. Nowhere is it said that SPS was exclusively 10 Tails.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

The SPS is earths energy (that's a theory) Then dont state it as fact

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

as Jigen don't have SPS he had ten tails. Assuming that his Juubinhad absorbed any natural energy necessary to give it senjutsu chakra

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Jigen's ten tails never absorbed earths energy so there is that. Yea if SPS came from the earth every Sage Mode user would be an SPS user.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Toneri definitely took chakra from the vessel but how he managed to acquire it is another thing as touching the vessel sucks your chakra completely and only Hamura's chakra can stop that. Toneri never had Hamura's chakra. He acquired tsb but how is mystery maybe jogan can solve it. As shown/stated by no one

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Naruto can only activate TSB in KCM+SPSM cloak that he used in war which had 9 magtama marks. The marks and tsb are lost so that means he is not using something (I don't know that). The marks are too inconsistant a thing yo determine wheyher or not they represent SPS

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

I could say SPS but he is still using SPSM so that's out. SPS and SPSM both grants flight to user. SPS must be related to god tree as all the user of SPS has some connection to god tree directly or indirectly (except toneri). You just debunked your own claim. Way to go. You played yourself

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

I don't think toneri absorbed god trees chakra as we don't know how he got SPS may be after he absorbed the tenseigan vessel chakra he acquired some of Hamura's chakra as Hamura's chakra is in energy vessel. Non of that happened. Stop the fanfic. He got it from the Tenseigan eyeballs he awakened.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Ashura got strong life force and body(physical powers) but Vs Rinnegan it is nothing. Really? Because Hashirama no-diffed Rinnegan Madara

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Every Ashura's reincarnate have some power that evened the odds. Hashirama had wood release and sage mode. Naruto has Kurama and sage mode. If indra's reincarnations gets rinnegan then logically Ashur should acquire something(SPSM) when he gets Hagoromo's chakra as Rinnegan is for spiritual power and Sage mode is for Physical power. Indra's reincarnate can activate Rinnegan(Hagoromo said it himself in chapter 671 page 50) because if Ashura and Indra both could activate Rinnegan then Naruto would also activate it as Rinnegan and Sharingan is different dojutsu and as anime is non canon we don't know how Hagoromo acquired Rinnegan. So with that Rinnegan is for Indra and there should be something for Ashura so I think its SPSM as Naruto is only user of SPSM. There is another thing as databook states SPSM was given by Hagoromo but Sasuke's Rinnegan was also given by Hagoromo but he could achieve it without Hagoromo. Still missing the "hard work vs natural ability" theme huh?

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

So Ashura's reincarnate can acquire SPSM(perfect sage mode without any pigmentation) naturally if they have Indra's flesh attached to their body. Younsee, the problem with that is Madara had Hashairama flesh grafted onto his body and it didnt gain the powers you claim so that claim is debunked.

Same with Obito literally half of his body was Hashirama cells and he didnt get SPS either from the Madara's Rinnegan's chakra or post-Juubi

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

All known Ashura's reincarnate have Sage mode and can use perfect sage mode without transforming their body like Jiraya, He uses imperfect Sage Mode, not relevant

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Orochimaru He doesnt use Sage Mode. In fact, it was explicitly stated he can't

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Minato is exception as how he acquired perfect sage mode is unknown. How you manage to constantly invalidate your own claims yet still believe them is befuddling.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Now all of you will come at me saying Ashura was a dunce and didn't get any powers from his dad same as Naruto but Naruto acquired traits from his parents. Naruto got large chakra and life force. Those arent skills/abilities

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

He had great speed in KCM mode which could rival flying raijin(no teleportation) but KCM just boosts your natural ability. Kcm wasnt inherited from his parents. The speed granted by KCM wasnt inherited from Minato. Do you even know how inheritance works?

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

He created his own jutsu upgradation to his dads. He did so through hard work and intense training

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

So Ashura could have acquired powers like Hagoromo and he could have activated after hard training. All things Ashura did sounds like training for SPSM that was mentioned in fourth databook. There isnt SPSM training in the databook

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

About the 9 magatama markings in chapter 670 page 39 Hagoromo said" I partitioned the power of ten tails that wws inside me and named them" and the markings are shown. Ten tails power is his chakra but Hagoromo never had complete ten Tails as gedo statue was on moon so that leads to more questions. According to Kurama, Hagoromo had the Gedo statue in his body when the was TTJ

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

So I think ten tails power is SPS in this case and re acquiring all tailed beast chakra you get SPS. You think wrong. It didnt work for Sasuke...

...But it worked for anyone who had the 9 Bijuu within the Gedo Mazo to awaken the juubi and then then became TTJ

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Naruto acquired SPS but also SPSM(he got sage mode that can use SPS)because he was reincarnate as all other SPS users are ten tails jinchuriki (no otsusuki) and don't have SPSM. Since SPSM is a form that allows him to use SPS, how does he have SPS separate from that?

Every word of this particular quote is so wrong i cant even break it down. Like.... Naruto has SPS because SPSM but also not because SPSM because he is a reincarnate because every other TTJ something about not the Otsutsuki who dont have SPSM? Are you just throwing words together and pressing "reply?"

Jira89 wrote:

The only arrogant here it's you. you even denied that sasuke's rinne sharingan has lost his tomes. but now you like to answer only the things you think you are sure of. Ok, you are wrong, just have a little humility and admit to remembering badly. Good day. ... his Rinnegan didnt lose its tomoe. They show up when he uses his Sharingan MS underneath because that it was they signify. It has happened multiple times since he got his Rinnegan