Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150704102606/@comment-26773508-20150819155629

GreatestSin wrote: tobi didnt really show much, neither in genjutsu, taijutsu ot ninjutu feats :I Whatever little feats Tobirama showed was more than impressive. In fact, I'd say his tiny collection of outshines Muu's by miles. He killed Izuna, who was MS Madara's equal (theoretically). Edo Tobirama scared the shit out of Oro & co. with a mere raise of his finger. He also nearly broke free of Oro's control. The only reason Oro was able to restrict Tobirama's movements was because of Hashi cells, which, as we all know, are god-level cheats.

During the battle against Juubito, Tobirama was quickly able to formulate a strategy seconds before being being decimated by Juubito (the multiple exploding tags technique). He was also quickly able to work and coordinate with shinobi he had never met before (Naruto, Minato and Sasuke), forming effective partnerships with them to fight Obito. His intellect and wits were the sharpest among the guys fighting Juubito. But his most badass moment was when he returned Juubito's own TSB to himself, while Minato, Naruto and Sasuke were hopelessly waiting for their deaths. No amount of Muu's jinton feats can match that.

Oh and there's also the part where Muu gets knocked out of his senses by Madara during Muu and Onoki's visit to Konoha. Madara did that by merely manifesting his Susanoo arms and nothing else. However, Tobirama was able to fight MS Izuna and ultimately ended up killing him. Throughout their numerous fights, it's safe to assume that both MS Izuna and MS Madara used their Susanoo against Tobirama/Hashirama. The fact that Tobirama was able to kill a shinobi who could manifest at least an upper body Susanoo, while Muu got knocked into unconsciousness with a mere Susanoo arm clearly shows how superior Tobirama is to Muu.

And back to Kakashi, yes he pales in comparison to 3rd and 4th Raikage and Muu and Onoki. But Kakashi seems to be more than capable of handling Rasa as well as the Second Mizukage, who I think are the least interesting Kage shown in the War. Although you could argue that the 2nd Mizukage is superior to Kakashi since he ended up killing Muu, which is quite an impressive feat.