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Naruto uzu6254 wrote: GodlyHades wrote: Because Sasuke too had to meet with Hagoromo, it was heavily implied that a larger involvement was due to both of them becoming the successors of Ashura/Indra. They were already reincarnations of Indra and Asura GodlyHades wrote: Though, I agree with most part of your idea with the Kushina appearance, but I don’t exactly remember the tailed beasts/Hagoromo stating that he left chakra in the tailed beasts. It was not stated but shown before Naruto met Hagoromo they all fist bumped each other and they gave their chakra to Naruto. GodlyHades wrote: I was merely pointing out the conversation between Hagoromo and the Kages, in which he explained thoroughly how he came into the physical world. That's what I said Hagoromo said "you are kind Asura's successor" when Hashirama was healing Madara's lower half of body. GodlyHades wrote: No. Hagoromo implied that the Child of Prophecy would be the one to unite the Tailed Beasts, hence why he brought them into the subconscious to thefore meet with Hagoromo/Naruto. It was implies that Naruto's kind nature and his cooperation with the tailed beasts will help them unite again in this world. And so they appeared before Hagoromo. GodlyHades wrote: Yes, it’s understood that he used COAT to divide the Juubi to split the powers evenly because of Ashura’s path in cooperation. However, that is not correct. It was never stated in manga therefore it's not correct. GodlyHades wrote: KCM does not have the magatama on the back, however it does carry the nine magatama around the it’s body. Same goes for BM which does have a similar design to RSM form on the back cloak. You are right about that and that's why ask you to reason it, I compared Madara and Obito and Hagoromo for you I'm talking only about the 9 magatama markings on the back. GodlyHades wrote: Well, no that doesn’t make sense. Naruto needed the tailed beasts chakra to undo the Infinite Tsukuyomi, and Hagoromo stated that a little bit of chakra has seeped into Naruto. Now you are contradicting yourself GodlyHades wrote: Whether he means it replenish over-time is not nonexistent, nor does it matter much as Hagoromo clearly stated he will ALWAYS be the connection between each tailed beast. By connection means he has some of the beasts chakra GodlyHades wrote: When Sasuke put the tailed beasts into the RinneSharringan genjutsu, they were not able to move nor communicate with Naruto. Only Kurama. Go back and re-read the chapters where Sasuke/Naruto fight at VOTE 2, and when Sasuke loses his Rinnegan temporarily because of his low chakra, Sakura wakes up. Whether the tailed beasts wake up also towards the end is unclear, however what is clear is that Sauske’s rinnegan jutsu will cast off after a period of time when the user’s chakra is low. Because you cannot break a Rinnegan genjutsu, without a Rinnegan. The Genjutsu: Rinnegan results in loss of consciousness, but we can't say much about it. GodlyHades wrote: Lastly, well neither Databooks provide such information to give us a beneficial background to how the form is activated. What we do know is that both Naruto/Sasuke awakened their powers because of being transmigrates and Hagoromo. Under that logic; Naruto has his Senjutsu (Body) and Sasuke has his RInnegan (Eye). Yes that can be considered but there is also nothing stating that he didn't have all the tailed beast chakra. It is also a possibility no it is more likely that he has. GodlyHades wrote: Senjutsu chakra alone would not need a requirement for tailed beasts chakra to unlock it’s power, as shown with RM Naruto (base without cloak). It was until the Kyuubi connection, that the mode took manifestation into the cloak. Which makes sense considering Naruto was able to use chakra arms, etc, that usually comes with Kyuubi chakra. What you said is correct Kurama is also needed but why not other beasts.

GodlyHades wrote: Also mind you, that those who connect the powers of all tailed beasts, gain a physical form, Naruto when Hagoromo’s chakra gained the ability to connect them with that. They are two different concepts It's not necessary that Naruto should attain lava chakra mode or anything, he is a Jinchuriki of Kurama after all he has large amount of Kurama's chakra, the only time the Beasts helped Naruto was after he met Hagoromo, so he enhanced the beasts power and that would be a good explanation why he uses Magnet Release: Rasengan and Sage Art: Lava Release Rasenshuriken. I agree that Hagoromo gave him power but his mode also includes all the 9 tailed beasts.

You broke the conversation in parts so it’s a bit difficult for me to reply, so I’ll try my best. 1.	I don’t remember stating they weren’t

2.	I’m talking about Hagoromo sharing his chakra with the tailed beasts.

3.	Yes, and he cooperated with them when he unlocked Hagoromo’s power

4.	Actually it was somewhere I believe. There is no other possible way for Hagoromo to split them, without COAT. Read the technique portion of that ability specifically, it grants anything possible in the right hands.

5.	Yes, now think about this. Naruto’s form before RSM look exactly like RSM. There was no difference between RSM and KCM, until he met Hagoromo. He is the link, obviously as you know. Kurama is the only Bijuu in the entire manga that gives it’s host a chakra form.

6.	How so? I’m merely explaining plot points to why Naruto had all of the nine tailed beasts chakra.

7.	Not exactly. He will always have their chakra, go read the chapters back towards their conversation before the Revolution. I also have the viz scans. It’s heavily implied that Naruto will always have a piece of each tailed beast inside of him

8.	Actually they do. It’s clearly explained in the Databook that only Rinnegan users can break Rinnegan genjutsu. Shall I bring the link?

9.	If you agree to what I say, then you also agree to what I state. Your using twists of the manga to benefit a non existant idea. Only Kurama, can provide a cloak to the Jinchuriki as feats as shown. No other Bijuu can allow that. Naruto received Hagoromo’s Senjutsu, Yang power, or the “gift” … a body power. Under what premise can you conclude that Rikudou Naruto is the combination of Hagoromo’s Senjutsu + Tailed beasts chakra? Because base RM (Hagoromo’s chakra) gained the ability to unify himself with the other tailed beasts, then you also must state that the other tailed beasts can unify to form similar “flame” sort to speak cloak. Which they cannot. The only logical explanation is what I have been saying since the beginning of this thread. If you would like to hear opinions of someone besides myself, I can link you to a few more threads on the subject, and posted by members who give long detailed explanations as-well if you not grasping me clearly. Which if you are, I apologize