Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180727165341/@comment-6769189-20180814064534

CombatIQmatters wrote: @Legion What bothered me about it was that he couldn't even dodge the first blow. if he is faster then I don't see why he would have been tagged the way he was on the first hit. He blocked it, but he should have been able to avoid the other v2 who was coming from his right, or at least block the 2nd blow as well, but he seems to have been unable to react. He did block it but that endend throwing him him off balance. In the panel where he blocked Fuu's hit it knocked him off one foot. In the panel where Yugito hit him in the back it looks like she hit him right after Fuu because her lines and strike mark is still there

CombatIQmatters wrote:

I actually like that edo Itachi was brought up, as on chap 549 pg 7 you can see how when someone is superior speed you don't get a clean hit from a pincer attack. Bee failed to hit itachi with samehada even though itachi was focused on naruto. So I don't see why a top speed kcm naruto would be caught in the blows from the jinchuriki Naruto wasnt trying to hit him and he had input from Kabuto, who could view the situation from further away.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Lol the only running speed feat we have for obito pre war-arc is apparently keeping up with minato's running speed. which still puts obito above old hiruzen, tobirama, and hashi, all extremely fast shinobi. But it's a stretch to say that any of those hokage are even faster than V2 ayy on foot. I don't even believe that minato is faster than v2 ayy in footspeed either, only reflexes, body control, and FTG were the clear advantages, because FTG is critical to minato's fighting style. even with all of that, raikage's top speed blitz still managed to touch minato's nose in exchange for minato getting to flick his kunai behind ayy. Depends if you think Tobirama is faster than A. Im pretty sure he is but i would have to look more in to that

CombatIQmatters wrote:

I do agree with the chapter 467 example. IT was clear that the raikage's speed was a problem for obito, but nothing that kamui couldn't handle. He went to the summit intially to capture the kages, but since sasuke failed to weaken them that wasn't possible. If he had kcm speeds then, it's believable that his kcm speeds + kamui hax and skill would allow him to take them out. But the fact that he admitted he couldn't capture the kages then as insurance for an easier war effort, tells me he couldn't. Its quite possible that he wouldnt have done well against 4 Kage at that moment.

So while obito is fast, I don't believe obito was kcm speeds until he got the rinnegan. As I said before, he couldn't even speed blitz base kabuto. When did this situation even occur?