Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180727165341/@comment-34194151-20180814034636

@Legion What bothered me about it was that he couldn't even dodge the first blow. if he is faster then I don't see why he would have been tagged the way he was on the first hit. He blocked it, but he should have been able to avoid the other v2 who was coming from his right, or at least block the 2nd blow as well, but he seems to have been unable to react. I actually like that edo Itachi was brought up, as on chap 549 pg 7 you can see how when someone is superior speed you don't get a clean hit from a pincer attack. Bee failed to hit itachi with samehada even though itachi was focused on naruto. So I don't see why a top speed kcm naruto would be caught in the blows from the jinchuriki.

@Jason, bullet time was being used there too. There isn't proof itachi is as fast as kcm naruto at least in running speed, but I think he could hold his own and its hard to tell because they were both trying to have a conversation. base Killer bee was fast enough to shunshin across a mountain against taka faster than juugo could notice. That same base killer bee had trouble tagging itachi. Killer bee used his top 7 sword speed and itachi still escaped, which is impressive because swordsmen are trained to control distance between themselves and their opponent. There they reduced the bullet time effect to a degree, and we were able to see them as partial blurs.

Also, obito's speed again is debatable. We haven't seen his speed get established other than him seeming to match minato's running speed as a kid, which is still pretty high, considering how fast minato's foot movement is. Outside of that, who has obito fought? Konan, who he underestimated he tried to warp her but was suprised by paper bomb explosions, and he couldn't run in that instance since he and konan were holding on to each other.

After that, she stole initative split the sea and he was in free fall. After all was said in done, he blitzed her and put her under genjutsu. Those clowns Fuu and Torune?? he didn't have any blitzing feats, he used kamui and surprise attacks from underground, so not enough info. Though, there is the fact that he tried to blitz base kabuto and failed. kabuto easily kept his distance and even had time to cast the hand seals for edo tensei lol. So that's why I'm skeptical about the consistency of tobi's speed. The raikage in v1 seemed to be able to cover a similiar distance much faster. Unless we are saying that base kabuto is kcm levels of speed too.

I personally think in the end all of it is plot convenience. its not much different from how kakashi suddenly can spam kamui in the war when even using one kamui against sasuke seemed to strain him.