Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-142748-20150410212019/@comment-142748-20150412013410

QuakingStar wrote: "Kirin was created by Sasuke Uchiha as his trump card against Itachi Uchiha. It, along with Indra's Arrow, are Sasuke's strongest Lightning Release techniques. He draws natural lightning directly from thunder clouds to supplement the power of his strike and controls it with chakra. Unlike most techniques, which are based on the user's chakra, this one uses the natural lightning, which — as noted by Zetsu — reaches the ground in 1/1000th of a second. However, the preparation time required also decreases the technique's efficiency. If there are no active thunder clouds, the user must create them by using powerful fire techniques to produce the necessary storm conditions. With techniques such as Amaterasu, even stronger storm conditions can be made by them. Also, with Amaterasu's inability to be extinguished by water, it can be used to continuously create new thunder clouds to use Kirin once again; however, the process seems to require a bit of time.

Once a lightning source has been acquired, shaping and guiding the lightning to the target requires very little chakra. In addition, usage seems to disperse the thunder clouds as the sky cleared up of clouds after use. As such, this technique can only be used once in a fight. The technique can completely obliterate a small mountain as well as Itachi Uchiha's Susanoo with Yata Mirror attached." Directly from our wiki. Itachi manifested and blocked that although it took out his Susanoo in the process. You continue to downplay Itachi and everything about him because you hate him, but at this point this is just childish. Stop making threads with him in it and stop commenting on the ones he is in. You made it quite clear you hate him period, therefor your posts are automatically biased against him. @WindStar can you lock this thread please. I am not downplaying at all. Its just this feat isn't impressive when you look at the other high tiers in Itachi's bracket and top tiers. And did you look at the link I showed and the calculation on how fast it would take to manifest the Susanoo in the .0001 timeframe? I honestly never expected to do any HST speed related calculations, but I got a request for it from Wombat, how could I turn that down?

The feat, as posted by Nikushimi. We can see that by the time the lightning has struck, Itachi would have needed to form Susano'o to protect himself, or he would have, in his own words, been "obliterated".

The object of this calculation is to get the speed at which Susano'o takes its' most basic shape, which would also determine the speed that Itachi can form a shield against small mountain/hill busters or anything weaker.

First off, for height, we can see here that the base of Kirin is not so far from the top of the mountain, but given the fact that I can't scale accurately here due to the awkward angle of the shot, I'll be assigning a cloud base height of 2,000 m to the origin of Kirin. 2,000 m is the minimum height of a cumulonimbus cloud, which is what Zetsu specified it to be. This is more than reasonable, looking at how close the cloud is.

Next, the speed of the lightning itself... lightning bolts vary greatly in speed, so for this particular case, why not use what Zetsu's talking about? He notes here that a lightning bolt can reach the ground in 1/1,000th of a second, or .001 s. In the interest of keeping this low-end, we'll use Itachi, the target, as the "Ground".

Finally, we have Waka's calculation which gives the height of the mountain: 721.933 m, which needs to be subtracted from the cloud height to get the distance traveled for the lightning.

2,000 - 721.933 = 1,278.068 m, the distance the lightning traveled.

'''1,278.068 / .001 s = 1,278,068 m/s, the speed of the lightning aimed at Itachi. We don't even need to use this number for the calculation, just thought it'd be good for readers to know the speed.'''

Sound fast? Not for lightning it isn't.

Now we need to figure out how large the prematurely formed Susano'o is (The one that tanked Kirin), which is basically just its' ribs. A simple scaling will tell us the answer, and from there we can figure out how fast it was formed.

Spoiler:

Itachi is 206 pixels compared to premature Susano'o being 331. Itachi's height in the databook is 1.78 m.

331 / 206 = 1.61 * 1.78 = 2.866 m, the height of Susano'o.

So then, to form something of that size in .001 s...

'''1,278.068 m / 1,278,068 m/s = .001 (Just to clarify)

2.866 / .001 = 2,866 m/s'''

And just to remind everyone once again, this is the speed that itachi can form something that can block a small mountain or hill level attack (Or anything less.), and has relatively nothing to do with his battle speed.

Just for kicks, from the obd standard distance of 10 m, it would take a speed of 10,000 m/s to blitz Itachi before he could summon Susano'o... that is, in the rare occasion that he would use it right away.

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Susano'o Formation Speed = 2,866 m/s or mach 8.43