Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-34656247-20180531072459/@comment-34656247-20180605062102

'-' Thekillman wrote: He did want to defeat Sasuke. He didn't want to kill him, but what you describe is the same thing as defeating him. When did he want to defeat sasuke? i stated that he wanted to get orochimaru out of sasuke so how is that the same as defeating sasuke lol.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: How does'nt the time dilation matter? the more powerful something is the hard it is to overcome. Thekillman wrote: Time dilation gives the victim more time to escape. Note that Sasuke was in Tsukuyome for a minute or two in his final Itachi fight. With the 3-days-to-1 second time dilation, less than a moment would've passed. Time dilation would've made it difficult. And you're comparing what seems like a regular genjutsu to getting stabbed for 3 days? If that was the case kakashi would've broken out.

Thekillman wrote: The idea that Tsukuyome on Sasuke wasn't full strength is BS, because Sasuke would notice the difference. Also you would've noticed the difference but you didn't and here we are ;_; He used tsukuyomi 4 times in the anime yet you did'nt notice the difference? tsukuyomi was even used as a command type genjutsu, this is when itachi used it against kabuto. This is proof that the genjutsu can be altered as the user see fit.

Kinglink15 wrote: Remember Hashirama still died in battle protecting the village and his comrade. So while he is extremely powerful, there would still be times where he'd be limited to using his strength. According to hiruzen he died of old age, though i can't remember if that was canon or not.

LegionZero wrote: As in he didnt get hurt by Tsukuyomi because he broke through it. Its actually explained in the the very next part of the line. He kinda dropped to the ground ,-, itachi did also...but both got up as if nothing happened.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:
 * the air around itachi has shifed, which mean's he's finally getting down to business. can this also hint that he didnt use a serious tsukuyomi? \;_;/\'-'/

LegionZero wrote: He means Itachi is going to start actually fighting and use deadlier techniques. If he let Sasuke break out then he would just use a more serious Tsukuyomi instead of going into a full on battle. The narration on the chapter even says Tsukuyomi was bested. Like firestyle fire ball jutsu ;_; cuz we know amaterasu doesn't need signs, and itachi was weaving sings for a next jutsu, which got interrupted. Nah remember his goal wasn't to win.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: It is what sasuke experienced in the genjutsu, he experienced nothing that comes close to torture, except having his eye's plucked out, besides Itachi also made the genjutsu seem as if the battle had continued (again no torture, like in kakashi's case) he wanted to feed sasuke more lies, forcing him to think that he really wanted his eyes. Shisui had both of his eyes plucked out ,Sasuke;_;. The content and intensity of a genjutsu doesn't strengthen it's hold?....so if itachi used genjutsu on kid sasuke, showing him cute little puppies and sun shining over a sunflower garden,he would not panic,he would be calm because that's not something worth panicking about........now show sasuke hell in a genjutsu, him being tortured by the grim reaper he would be shitting on his diaper. The contents of the genjutsu matters.

LegionZero wrote: Upon realizing he was in a genjutsu he would just calm down because he knows its not real. Im not sure if you think having your eye ripped out no longer hurts once its out but yea it keeps hurting. Funny, cause kakashi thought the same...calm down this is a genjutsu but yet he succumbed to it. Don't think and eye rip and getting stabbed for 3 days falls in the same planet.

Ah here's a theory on genjutsu, idk if this is acceptable ;_; Normally to release a genjutsu we sometimes see a person performing the actions that are needed to break it inside the genjutsu, when a genjutsu hold is present it seems more difficult for a person to break free by themselves: for example:
 * Naruto and 30% clone itachi.- inside that finger genjutsu,naruto was seen slapping his palms together to break it, no hold was present...and that was inside the genjutsu.
 * Kurenai reversed genjutsu- Itachi reversed kurenai's genjutsu, but she broke out by biting her lower lip,she could'nt have done what naruto did because her hold was the tree. and that was done inside of the genjutsu.
 * Hebi sasuke and tsukuyomi- Sasuke broke out after revealing the curse mark, the snakes erupted from his snake thus piercing itachi's clone that had sasuke on hold....and that was used inside of tsukuyomi
 * Itachi and sasuke, sound genjutsu- They used genjutsu on each other,with sasuke freeing itachi from the snake hold and itachi freeing sasuke from his snake hold, note they were being held down and could'nt do what naruto did (against the finger genjutsu) that explains why they could'nt have broken out by themselves as their movements were being restricted...the brothers freeing each other was done in genjutsu world also (the paths of pein were under a hold also so they could'nt have broken out)


 * Killerbee and sasuke: Killerbee required the help of Gyuki to break free from a paralysis genjutsu, the hold was alot of lengthy spikes.

There are some scenes that contradict this but is it acceptable ;_; like, what if sasuke was placed on hold, maybe was restrained on a cross like Kakashi was. Breaking out would be difficult.