Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31672013-20180831233027/@comment-34194151-20181002195200

1) exactly it works both ways. but my point is that her genjutsu is capable of ensaring two S rank shinobi, one of them being itachi uchiha, for definitely several seconds. That kind of opening is critical in a 4-1 fight. Jiraiya has no feats or hype to suggest he would outdo kisame or itachi's performance against kurenai.

2) Gamabunta and jiraiya both get caught in kurenai's genjutsu( i have proven her genjutsu can affect at least two targets at once), which would actually make partner method more difficult to pull off. jiraiya can't do what itachi and sasuke did to break out of sm kabuto's genjutsu.

3) jumping is something I see kurenai probably doing since she is the least experienced of the jounin. kakashi asuma and even guy probably are experienced enough to run chakra at their feet. I'll have to look into your claims about swamps though. but why would they immediately be knee deep in the swamp? that only happens if they don't see it coming.

4) they start 30 feet from each other, ~ 16 meters. Jiraiya would try to create distance yes, but what speed feats does he have in base that suggests he is faster than kakashi or guy?