Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34656247-20180528093116/@comment-33959444-20180608013432

@Jason Edit says all MS abilities are allowed. Susano'o is an MS ability. Different stages do not equate to different MS abilities, so the edit doesn't change anything.

If it's necessary to "roll", he'll roll to dodge the attack. That's like saying it's pathetic to duck when somebody is shooting at you.

SM enhances physical strength (as clearly demonstrated with Pa and Naruto), and endurance is a part of physical strength.

Okay, if we're taking into account character, then he wouldn't sacrifice a toad. If it's not in character, he would if he absolutely has to to survive. But if we're taking character into account, why would Itachi fight Jiraiya?

Yeah, back in Part 1, where the Eighth Gate was only slightly stronger than Hokage.

You know what else happened in Part 1? Itachi and Kisame ran away from Jiraiya. In base...

Jiraiya can use the sensory barrier without SM.

Because he was literally sneak attacked after he thought he won the battle. Ma and Pa, two master Sages, were also unable to sense that path. Plus, Nagato is a God at Chakra sensories. It was stated during the Leaf Village attack that he was constantly changing Chakra frequencies, which made it so that not even the best sensors in Konoha could sense him. Naruto in SM had to stab himself with a Chakra Rod and had to be relatively close to his hideout in order to sniff out his location.

Okay, I'm not talking about full powered Jiraiya vs Orochimaru. I'm talking about SM Jiraiya vs the Orochimaru that fought Itachi, because that's the context. What has Orochimaru got against Sound Genjutsu? Orochimaru doesnt have Edo tensei since he didn't use that against Itachi. If abasic Paralysis Genjutsu defeated him, I'm pretty sure Sound Genjutsu which defeated three Paths of Pain would also defeat him.

When did I say base Jiraiya couldn't get caught in Genjutsu? It's definitely a possibility, although I don't think it's very high if he has knowledge. Again, Susano'o Arrow isn't included here, although amaterasu would. Jiraiya still, even without Gamaken, has 2 (at minimum) other Boss Summons. Itachi and Sasuke can't spam Amaterasu. Jiraiya can hide inside of a toad, turn 2D, summon Frog Stomach, and use Shadow Clones. Can you give me a feat of Itachi's Genjutsu undetectable by sensors?