Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180607192958/@comment-6769189-20180727013900

CombatIQmatters wrote: @legionZero

The point about the intense gravity is a good point, but we don't have proof that he can accelerate objects at such intense g forces. The core flies in the air for an amount of time before the gravity activaties. The force applied is strong enough to raise the terrain at a relatively fast rate, but once the objects are in the air there is air resistance. Itachi bee and naruto seemed to reach a rather terminal speed fairly quickly, there wasn't any dangerous level of acceleration.

Naruto, B, and Itachi were kind of in their strongest forms that afford them extra protection and still couldnt resist the pull of Chibaku Tensei. Chapter 439 shows just how much speed and force is behind the objects being pulled into Chibaku Tensei.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Chibaku tensei's power is that being trapped in the planetoid exerts and incredible amount of crushing force, Minato will no doubt die if he is trapped in the core, but The move is too telegraphed. How is Nagato casting the technique for free? Minato is fast enough to close the distance (standard battle distance is 30 feet, Minato is there essentially instantly, even without FTG) Every use of Chibaku Tensei show instant effects.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

How is Nagato getting the time to get in his chameleon? Look at chapter 549 pg 11? He bends to the ground and casts his summoning jutsu, and there is a small smoke screen that occurs. In the time he bends down to do that, Minato can throw 6 of his kunai behind him while nagato is physically off balance and concentrationg on his summoning. 374 p 2

376 p. 16

Ch 437. p. 7 Nagato doesnt actually have to bend down to touch anything. He can spontaniously summon with a hand clap.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Summoning is typically his most common first move, even back in his battles with Jiraiya in naruto. Ok he summons the chameleon, but he still needs time to conduct the action of getting inside of it. Minato isn't giving that time. Without knowledge, Nagato is essentially getting marked, because he is getting blitzed as he stands back up from the summoning, and will be forced to use shinra tensei. In his fight against Naruto and B, Nagato actually started the fight with Chibaku Tensei then used Animal Path for mobility.

The kunai can be deflected with Ashura Path techniques or Shinra Tensei.

Using Bansho Tenin Nagato can prevent Minato from using his speed at all, forcing Minato to FTG away from Nagato while he summons or prepares Chibaku Tensei.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Also, proof that perfect Sage Mode can't sense the chameleon? In 376 Jiraiya couldnt sense Nagato's chameleon at all and needed Shima to perform a specific technique to locate him. Shima herself being a Sage creature.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Even if by some miracle, Nagato has the time neccesary to create the chibaku tensei, the core still has to form in his hand and takes time to fly. without knowledge, Minato won't necessarily know to do that, but once he sees what the core is doing he can hop on a rock, make a shadow clone if he needs to, and warp the core away with FTG. Even if he is only mid range, he will rather soon cast the hand signs and be in range due to the pull. Of course Minato can't defend himself effectively while casting a jutsu, he has to concentrate, but Nagato's attacks won't really land either, as they will be pulled upwards into the core too, plus Minato's shadow clone can open up another barrier to defend minato if necessary. If Minato cant survive the trip to the core then his shadow clone cant.

Minato cant exactly spam shadow clones.

Nagato can reposition himself so that he doesnt have to fight CT's pull.