Forum:Community Adoption Request

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Vote for a new crat here!
Use this section to vote for a new bureaucrat. --Speysider (Talk Page) 10:19, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion
It's up at w:Forum:AR:Adoption_request_for_Narutopedia_Wiki. I didn't see it linked here, but figured anybody participating in this thread may wish to review it as so far 3 people have posted there. +Yc 06:14, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm so sorry no one so far notified the entire wiki. Speysider wants to adopt the wiki because Dantman is inactive. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 06:21, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * That is... really... rude? — S im A nt 06:30, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I dont think he wants to do that, but Just make any admin, a bureacrat (Atleast I want that) —¤ S @lil ¤ Uchiha Symbol.svg (T@lk) 06:34, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Simant: What do you mean? —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 07:29, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Simant: How is it rude ? Also, the two known bureaucrats have absolutely no involvement with this wiki. --Speysider (Talk Page) 07:30, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well thats not the purpose of the adoption request on the community wiki.. that is for inactive wikis or wikis with no sysop. If a bureaucrat is needed a sysop can simply request via special:contact a promotion with a link to community consensus. There is no chance of them assigning a bureaucrat like that for one of their 10 ten bread earners. — S im A nt 07:32, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Speysider: Before you start to accuse others about being unjustified in their reaction to this, you should (re-)read the guidelines for making such a request, in particular those concerned with wiki (in)activity. Even if you managed to somehow err over these very clear rules, common sense at least should have dictated that it was unwise to completely circumvent all of the admins on this, so don't be surprised by any of the potential backlash you could receive. Blackstar1 (talk) 08:05, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Blackstar1 It honestly doesn't matter what insults get thrown at me, I've gotten used to it by now. As far as I can tell from Wikia policy, there has to be active bureaucrats and since the only two known ones are not active, the wiki becomes available for adoption. --Speysider (Talk Page) 08:38, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * If they won't give the powers to Speysider then it would be given to other admins. This is actually did for the good of the wiki. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 08:48, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Speysider: That isn't the case and personally, I feel the Adoption Request article makes that very clear:
 * "This page is where you can request administrator and/or bureaucrat rights on wikis without an active admin and/or bureaucrat team." (first line of article)
 * "Is the wiki inactive? No sustained editing by other users. If there are other users please start a blog post or other public discussion of new leadership before making your request and allow users at least a week to respond." (first guideline)
 * @IndxcvNovelist: I'm not in any way debating the benefits of having an active bureaucrat, but I don't believe Speysider shared your intentions when he made this request and even if he did, this certainly wasn't the correct way to go about it. As I've indicated above there is a clear procedure to such a matter and informing the community beforehand, let alone the admins (who this directly concerns), is an extremely important part of this process. Blackstar1 (talk) 09:11, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Anyone mind telling me how I put my name for the Adoption thing?--TheUltimate3 Uzumaki Symbol.svg (talk) 10:01, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * @TU3: I think u should use Special:Contact—¤ S @lil ¤ Uchiha Symbol.svg (T@lk) 10:03, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well that solves one issue. Now how do we deal with the current adoption request that is technically illegal (heh), because none of the wiki's current and active admins were notified about it.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 10:07, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Blackstar1 + @TU3 If Wikia staff think it's against the rules, they will deny it and do it privately. You don't need to waste your time preaching rules I am already aware of. --Speysider (Talk Page) 10:09, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Was not preaching any rules. And since we do apparently need a bureaucrat we probably do need a voting on who should be chosen for the task.--TheUltimate3 Uzumaki Symbol.svg (talk) 10:12, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * The "rule preaching" was directed to Blackstar1, I failed to edit :(
 * I'll go for Jacce, Simant or Omnibender since they have a heck of a lot of edits. --Speysider (Talk Page) 10:13, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Since I'm not really that civil, I think I'll refrain from posting my previous message. I'm for the voting in of another bureaucrat if it's necessary that we have one. However, I don't think it should be left open to the entire community. The Administrative team: Sysops and the rollback users we have etc should make that decision amongst themselves. Or just go with seniority.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 10:17, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cerez, according to wikia policy, it has to be done by the community. No crats will be appointed without community approval. --Speysider (Talk Page) 10:19, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree Cerez. Probably the path of most order if the sysop and rollbackers decide. Limits the pool of voters to those with some sort of administrative ability.--TheUltimate3 Uzumaki Symbol.svg (talk) 10:20, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

But the wiki policy is clear —¤ S @lil ¤ (T@lk) 10:25, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure we'll all be fine with whomever they chose Speysider. It's not as if we don't know the users. The rest of us can squabble about it one they choose a candidate. Heh, this is just like choosing a Hokage- Sandaime Bureaucrat Candidate→ then the regular forces can give their opinions.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 10:27, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know lol, but on another wiki I had to physically recommend someone for bureaucrat before it could be given. Hence, the whole community must be in agreement to the promotion. No point promoting someone that people aren't sure about --Speysider (Talk Page) 10:29, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * You're right about that last part. However, my opion's been stated and I stand by them making the decision. I have faith in the Admin team. Would be even better if Dan popped round as well.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 10:32, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * And the entire Wiki will have their say, when a list of suitable candidates are produced. Otherwise wise we can end up with the issue where the wrong users can be chosen. Users with administrative power who edit regularly is myself, Omnibender, Jacce, Deva, and Simant. I wanted to give Cerez power months ago, but I couldn't >.> and then he seemed to be able to handle any issue he came across without powers. Other than these six people, I don't believe nobody else is qualified to administrate this wiki.--TheUltimate3 Uzumaki Symbol.svg (talk) 10:36, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * You put a lot of emphasis on the last two words. I'm pretty sure there's many other people who are qualified, not just those 6. User:LeafShinobi is one such person who is a very active editor here. --Speysider (Talk Page) 10:39, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh dear Ulti._. But I'm afraid if given power i'd have all the other Naruto wikis swear fealty to us and after forming my army, take King's Landing from Joffrey! But on a serious note, there are indeed a lot of people here though that work on the "ground floor" who seem like they could handle more responsibilities. Our Third Bureaucrat may want to think of cleaning out some of those inactive rollback users and get a fresh new team.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 10:45, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I put emphasis on the last part because to me this wiki is all that matters in this discussion /shrug. I've been here since 2007 (Goddamn I'm old...seriously I didn't think it was that long T_T) and I've seen plenty of people pop up and say they want to be admins due to experience at other wikis. They never lasted.
 * Also the six I listed where listed due to administrative power. Except for Cerez, but he's been doing admin stuff for like a year now. LeafShinobi is an epic editor by all means, but I for the life of me can't remember when he has seriously contributed to the administrative side of things.
 * Also of note: I didn't take edit count into consideration. I'm more interested in what they did with their edits.--TheUltimate3 Uzumaki Symbol.svg (talk) 10:46, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think rollback users can be choosen later by the new bureacrat —¤ S @lil ¤ Uchiha Symbol.svg (T@lk) 10:53, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Cerez365

"Our Third Bureaucrat may want to think of cleaning out some of those inactive rollback users and get a fresh new team." That was generally the reason I requested a new bureaucrat and listed the wiki for adoption by someone. Apart from two of those rollback users, none of them continue or even visit this site any more. A new crat should really have been added a long time ago when Dantman became inactive imo. --Speysider (Talk Page) 10:54, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep. But I wanna have rollback powers too, if that's okay for you guys. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 10:58, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * @AboutEditCount: If edit count mattered as such, then every active editor here deserves to be admin. It cannot work like that, it would open a floodgate of people padding their edit counter with the desire to gain admin status. That's my issue with using an arbitrary number for such a important decision.--TheUltimate3 Uzumaki Symbol.svg (talk) 10:55, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * True, but consideration of admin should take place when the user reaches a specified and private number at least. --Speysider (Talk Page) 10:56, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 10:58, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Just so you know. Dan was here at least two months ago. And he's also never been the type, from what I remember, and have seen to be an active day-to-day editor. He's more of the set framework and infrastructure for the wikia and have the editors actually have work to do, so I never expected anything outside of that. I also honestly don't think we need an army of Administrators, the goal here isn't to achieve sysop but to chronicle Naruto. In any case, one step at a time, no gun jumping etc... The Admins need to have their discussion.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 11:00, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know. That's what sparked this, since last I heard if no bureaucrats are active for 2 months, the wiki is adoptable. We all know TranClan (whoever the hell he is) won't bother to turn up here and Dantman is more the technical side of things, so we need a crat that does the general running of the wiki. --Speysider (Talk Page) 11:02, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * ^^ This, and I wonder what happened to Snaps; been inactive for months. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 11:06, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * To be fair, that's what I've been doing since Dantman went MIA. When Dantman was active (as active as he could be) back in 2007 to about mid 2009 or so, he would log on and pretty much monitor what the wiki was doing, only stepping in when he really needed to, or there was technical things that needed to be done, pretty much letting the Wiki work on its own. When he went MIA I took over as the "silent observer" who maintained overall order, and when Simant arrived with his epic epic wiki code skills, pretty much took over the technical side.
 * That being said, we do need a buercrate and I still believe we need the administrative team to decide who among us that should be then the vote begins.--TheUltimate3 Uzumaki Symbol.svg (talk) 11:08, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * When I meant "general running of the wiki" I meant like making sure there aren't any inactive staff and replacing them with newer staff, so that the staff is constantly revolving to the changes of people's lives and the fact some people have no further interest in Naruto (hint: Suki-sensei :P). There's little point having loads of staff when 3/4 of them have no interest in this wiki or Naruto. --Speysider (Talk Page) 11:12, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. But by the way, we will only have one crat? Or many this time? O_o —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 11:18, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ideally two. That way it is unlikely both will go MIA at the same time.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 11:20, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, then the users should put up their votes if this will be respecting majority. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 11:23, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, having two is good —¤ S @lil ¤ Uchiha Symbol.svg (T@lk) 11:27, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * If a crat would be inactive, then the then-crats should make a user promoted to crat. :) —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 11:31, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Now? —¤ S @lil ¤ Uchiha Symbol.svg (T@lk) 12:43, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Took forever to read through all of that. <("o_o)> Anywho, I too think edit count isn't something that action in regards to this can be solely taken on. It doesn't (to my knowledge) take into account edits that are undone. *Cerez ftw* Skitts (talk) 13:53, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

I feel the need to point out rollback is almost worthless with the exception of mass vandals where you don't look at their individual edits and revert from recent changes. Anyone using rollback without viewing edits, is doing it wrong. When viewing edits you can revert to any revision through the history. — S im A nt 14:51, May 21, 2012 (UTC)