Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34752936-20180221075521/@comment-33286580-20180228041256

LegionZero wrote: @Mashikeine: the anime had the all of chapter nine taking place over course of about 6 minutes. And this was with very little padding. Remove the padding and maybe 4 minutes.

Regardless of the Juubi's seal breaking or it unexpectedly transforming Madara's goal was still capturing the last of the tailed beast and that would have been the best opputunity. Naruto "having his hands full" isnt a good excuse because he can make a gazillion shadow clones.

Naruto's Sage Mode is nowhere near Tailed Beast level but Gai was fighting Tailed Beasts at around 7 Gates.

really! bringing the anime into the play!!

anime is known to stretch the whole situation, that is how they generally make episodes. if they don't they will soon run of content and be ahead of manga.

also that episode has needless stare down between the characters.

and if Kishimoto wanted those stare down in his work, he is known to draw them in panels and he didnt.

even Kakashi is shown taking time to come out of Kamui, the spiral and all. they then give around a minute for Kurama and Hachibi to form massive TBB and everyone watches by... something that never happened in the manga.

as for how anime goes for time dilution, the recent DBS epsiode are good examples. only 1 minutes passes by in reality throug out the entire episode and most is fast paced action.

about the clone watching Madara... again, naruto only has one clone around that time, call it plot or it being that Naruto was new to this power and such could only make one clone at that time or he could only make one clone and fight at his best, i dont know... there arent bizillion clones around.

they were synchronized for the first time.

to further have the theory that he could only make a few clones early on in Biju Mode is when he distributes his chakra to the allied forced. he only goes around making a handfull of clones.

with each passing time his number of clones increased becasue they are better in tune and Kurama can refine his chakra that much better

AsianReaper wrote: Kisame is Bijuu level and Guy took him out at 7 Gates. Kisame was even known as the Tailed Beast without a Tail. Also, he fought several version 2 Jinchuriki off at 6 Gates.

Kisame had the help of Samehada which made him made him tailed beast level. when he came face to face with Hachibi he had to use full power of Samehada, synchro and all, to stand up to the Hachibi. once Samehada was gone he was done in easy by KillerB and A.

for instance, mode 2 KillerB did in Kisame with ease, blasting his chest open with a Lariat in under a minute. only because of Samehada he survived. Kisame's whole action plan in the fight was trying to absorb KillerB's chakra. and even then he lost without KillerB having to go Hachibi mode. it is also to note that KillerB was trying to save the master and his pet.

Kisame without Samehada is no match for initial versions of B.

on that note... Kisame seeing KillerB go version 2 comments that B had gone Biju Mode. it kind of shows that he never saw a jinchuriki go Biju. he probably didnt fight a Biju. the Akatsuki probably fought of the Jinchuriki and never had to fight a Jinchuriki going Biju other than Sanbi who was without a Jinchuriki.

Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: it depends on speed, who can last longer, attacks, brains, experience, versatility, and things like that. guy most of the above things to his side, so the win would likely be his.

Speed - Still debatable. Gai is still not proven to be faster than A or 3rd Raikage. i have time and again said and proved that Gai isnt faster than those two and so far no one has proved so otherwise.

Last Longer --- Seriously! gai in 7 Gates lasts not even a minute. it is shown time and time again in manga. one Hirudora and he is down. while SM Naruto atleast has 5 minutes or more to go by.

attacks --- you guys are seriously downplaying the power of Ultra big ball rasengan and its barrage and Rasenshuriken.

brains --- Gai isnt shown to be smart on level of Kakashi or shikamaru. he is not dumb, but Naruto isnt either.

Experiecne -- duh, gai has more. and so it does not change the fact that SM is a level of its own.

Versatality --- again.. really!! Gai is Taijutsu and just Taijutsu. his moves are all punches and kicks. while naruto has kage bunshin, rasengan and its variants and their barrage, rasenshuriken, frog kata, wind release... how does Gai even win here

other than experience Gai has nothing on SM Naruto.

LegionZero wrote: Naruto taking out the 3rd Raikage isnt a feat of destructive power or durability on Naruto's part. None of his techniques got through to him and he had to make him hit himself.

Naruto fought Kurama in his mind. Who knows what, if any kind of rules of logic or reality apply there.

Naruto hasn't tanked a TBB himself either and its unlikely that he would survive it in Sage mode

Yes. Naruto outsmarted 3rd Raikage, but this is the Raikage that the 4th Raikage feared. A says that his father is more stronger than him.

On that note, why is naruto outsmarting the 3rd Raikage just brushed off? he is using tactics and smarts, which when done by others is given a huge leverage in vsdebate. Gai has so far shown no tactic other than brute skills

also i have already shown feats of Naruto's destructive capabilities. read my above posts.

the fight with Kurama isnt in his mind. it is not an illusion, but a reality. it is in a different dimension produced by the seal. it is as real as it comes. the naruto on the outside had to enter SM for him to fight in the inner world.

No. naruto didnt tank TBB in SM. so when did Gai tank one. how does that even come to factor? Rachin123 wrote:

He had help from Killer B and Kushina. Kurama was at a handicap. I mean come on man, the mighty Nine-Tails actually having to struggle against Naruto, with Sage Mode or not, is ludicrous.

it is time and again shown that Kurama, half of him, way outclasses any Biju... even almost all of them combined. he is on a whole other level.

indeed Naruto had help. but it was only to restrict Kurama and save him from one TBB.

Naruto dealt the damage on his own. his Ultra Big ball Rasengan barrage and Rasenshuriken is what did in Kurama. it is a feat of his destructive capabilities.