Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26135923-20150707130017/@comment-734582-20150712130131

EDIT: Oh crap this one became much much longer than i intended. sorry about that. I cut a bit here and there. Also, note that when talking about generations i counted from birth-birth, but after closing the tab it hit me that you talked about death (of madara) to birth (of sasuke). Death being much more variable than birth (since a generation ~20 years) hence my way of counting.

Chaosattractor wrote: (And the Battle of the End was way more recent than that. The village is only sixty or so years old). I keep recalling that the Battle at the Valley of the End was 80 years ago and i'm looking at the wiki and stuff and i just can't find that reference. It annoys the hell out of me. However, going by Hiruzen (who was around 70 when he died) and lived to see both the First and Second hokage, it's clear that the village is older than those sixty years. Though i would say it's some 80 years old which is a minimal difference compared to ~900 years of Warring States.

Madara awakening the Rinnegan on death has an interesting implication: Nobody got the Rinnegan before simply because they didn't live to see that day, assuming the ~16 progenitors acquired the combined power (though i think that Madara was the first to do it) Even so, it's never made clear if Madara is the rule or the exception, and it's just as unclear whether the power levels of the Transmigrants have anything to do with it. Furthermore, it's not even clear if you *need* to be Transmigrant or whether it's just easier to do so considering the Sage's power is essentially already transferred via the various Kekkei Genkai. And it's clearly not easy to try and mix Transmigrant powers as the Sharingan and Hackirama Cells can kill you. (see: Part I kakashi, Obito's comment on his one Rinnegan, Danzo)

And there is still no proof, in the manga or otherwise, that transmigrants can pass transmigrant chakra to their children. There's no proof to the contrary either. Which bugs me (I'd really like the answer) but it's clear that chakra -to an unknown degree- is inherited. Naruto already possessed the whiskers before being Jinchuriki, yet it's a sign of being jinchuriki of Kurama. Furthermore, the Sage's kids had part of his power and their kid's kids had part of their power, so it's clear that the power of a Transmigrant is indeed something you can inherit. Yet Hashirama's case makes it clear that just because you have a Kekkei Genkai, you don't automatically give it to all your kids.

But there's no canon evidence that a single sperm cell somehow carries enough of bijuu chakra to make a jinchuuriki's child a pseudo-jinchuuriki I agree with this. A Biju's chakra and possible traits can be mixed in and can change their genetic makeup as proven with whiskers for Kurama Jinchurki and their kids. Still a Biju is more complex than just being a heap of chakra and transferring some chakra doesn't make someone jinchurki. Jinchuriki can pass on Biju Chakra, but not their "Essence" which is what you need to be Jinchuriki. It also does't seem to be much chakra that they pass on but "kekkei genkai" chakra does not *need* to be much.

2) You should probably note that Hashirama's cells only gave Ashura's chakra to Indra's transmigrant. Obito got nothing. Madara wondered if Obito would awaken powers too. Obito is around 30 during Part II so he's too young to reach the age where Madara achieved the Rinnegan. Even so, Madara himself noted that nothing happened until he was near death, indicating he didn't even get "basic" Six paths powers. It's unclear what exactly is Hagoromo's power and what exactly is Asura's power (same for naruto) so it's not clear what exactly Obito gained from this power, though he could interface with the Gedo. He wasn't able to summon or control it though.

do you honestly believe that someone who infused Madara's cells would get Indra's chakra and unlock the Sharingan? it might be possible. It's stated that the brain releases this chakra though so just slapping on some Uchiha cells may do nothing. It's not even clear how Hashirama's cells grant a person control over Wood Release, but judging from Obito it seems that his and your own cells need to thoroughly mix to achieve such an effect. Judging from Danzo's Wood Release and Kakashi's Sharingan however, it's clear that these two uber-powerful kekkei genkai are not easily mastered/controled and may as well kill you, which is why the Senju Camp may never have tried to get that power -or they simply frowned upon the Curse of Hatred. Unlike Hackirama cells, acquiring Uchiha cells has never been tried, but maybe Orochimarus been trying (and from the looks of it, failing hard).

On the other hand, a child would get half its mother's and half its father's genes, and potentially even less phenotypical expression due to the clashing dominant/recessive alleles. True, but Half Naruto's Hagoromo power and half Hinata's Hamura power is pretty much what Kaguya's power is. I've never claimed that the kid would be a second coming of Kaguya, but one only needs to look a the parents to see that the child has immense potential. Referring back to Hashirama: A Kekkei Genkai is no guarantee kids will have it. If they have a third kid it may be as good at Ninjutsu as Rock Lee is.

You can't regenerate bijuu chakra without a source, or jinchuuriki would simply regenerate the bijuu's chakra Gaara's power implies that being a Jinchuriki has a permanent effect even if the beast is extracted (they just don't survive the process of extraction). In fact, since he can pull out Shukaku's chakra, it's already proven it has a permanent effect. He also retains the ability to perform truly insane Sand-based jutsu that easily rival his Jinchuriki days. He's a man with Biju levels of chakra and Shukaku-derived jutsu. But we've already seen that this is achievable by regular Ninja, just look at Gaara's dad.

Obviously Yahiko's body and genes aren't Nagato's, even though the chakra passing through them is Nagato's. Not weird considering the jutsu involved Nagato pumping his chakra into them.

The long and short of it is, expecting transmigrant chakra to be passed down to a child assumes that transmigrant chakra is inherent to a transmigrant's genes the concept of Kekkei Genkai, as well as Transmigration already proved this. The only real question is to what degree Transmigration involves that of a soul, and in fact to what a degree a soul is even a thing. Don't forget that chakra involves both Physical and Mental energy AKA involves both the body and mind. So both the Mind as well as the Body seem to maintain the power of their Jutsu.

'''Remember that Madara could use Rinnegan as an Edo Tensei yet the Rinnegan was also wielded by Obito at the same time. Both his Spirit (edo tensei) as his Body (the physical eye) maintained their respective Kekkei Genkai.'''

By the earlier mentioned points of the Senju and Uchiha Kekkei Genkai as well as above bolded point, Transmigrant powers *can* be transferred via the genes, yet there is no *guarantee* they do.