Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36157725-20180816213118/@comment-34194151-20180818041048

His plan didn't work. His plan was a mere speed blitz, which everyone has done at one point or another, so what's so unique about it?. He was duped by a body replacement technique, something you learn in the academy, which he would have seen coming because it was obvious that madara's clone could leave madara's body or vice versa, sasuke himself witnessed that yet he forgot not more than a minute later. Madara not only escaped, he also deduced the effective range of his teleporation technique. This could have been avoided if sasuke's plan was more complex than a speed blitz, and I already listed one in my previous comment. You say sasuke broke everything down about limbo, yet the next second he got tricked by limbo... Shikumaru's dad only has awareness of surroundings? I disagree, the ten tails surely didn't think so, when shikaku came up with a strategy, utilizing the alliance and all their combined skills on the fly, to temporarily blind and immobilze ten tails like it was a piece of cake. Shikamaru and his dad are limited by a lack of hax, nothing else. I said if you put them in sasuke's place and were given his abilities, they would have come up with a better strategy, even better than obito or madara. The key to beating someone like madara isn't going in"simple", in fact it requires the opposite. Why? Because madara has overwhelming experience. In order to combat someone's experience, you need to show them something they won't see coming, and in order to do that you have to break them down and study them, their habits, abilities, mindset, and then attack their weaknesses. Nothing simple about pulling that off.

I'm sorry but Danzo suffered PIS for sure. attacking susano'o with a kunai? not teleporting inside sasuke's susano'o and killing him when he can literally respawn anywhere with izanagi, and then kill sasuke while he is coughing up blood from susano'o damage ? Falling for sasuke's second genjutsu, after he casually saw through the first? spamming and wasting izanagi? not using kotoamatsukami when shisui's eye was restored? Karin isn't dumb, and neither is sasuke, but the average mind could understand izanagi after seeing it as many times as they did. IT's basic pattern recognition. Realistically, even though I'm defending obito here over sasuke, both obito and sasuke should have lost to danzo once koto was busted out.

Sasuke's sharingan saw the bombs underground, and the microscopic ones. he then used his elemental advantage to diffuse them, that is something an average person can do. It's common sense really, he saw that the first two times used chidori, the bombs were defused. Deidara suffered from PIS in that fight too, he fought sasuke closer than he normally does to his opponents. He also didn't use C3, which would have killed sasuke, considering sasuke was getting tagged and injured by c2s. Also, the Deidara that fought gaara was far more calculating than the one that fought sasuke, just saying, and even with that, deidara outwitted sasuke in that fight as well, it went both ways.

Sasuke outsmarted itachi? quite the opposite actually. itachi essentially outwitted sasuke and planned sasuke's life out from beginning to the end. he staged his death against sasuke, and even predicted sasuke would take his eyes for EMS. The kirin was a nice big plan, except it took him 3 years to come up with it, and it still had flaws, such as the fact it left him defenseless if it failed. Meanwhile obito has been shown to keep multiple back-up plans in comparison, such as his fail safes in the event itachi tried to take his life. and itachi used amaterasu because he wanted to waste his chakra and pressure sasuke in his facade of trying to steal sasuke's eyes, not because sasuke tricked him into using it. Sasuke's plan banked on itachi using the amaterasu. Itachi forced sasuke to play sasuke's secret hand first, and then itachi outwitted him with his own secret hand.

How does sasuke and obito both being manipulated prove sasuke has better mind feats? If anything obito manipulating sasuke shows he was smarter than sasuke. Obito literally sent sasuke into the lions den of the 5 kage and sasuke thought he could handle it without a good plan.

Sasuke went into the summit forgetting that the kages would have likely had sensory shinobi with them too. He would have been caught either way, so no, that wasn't brilliant.

so you used a feat that primarily banked on sasuke's sharingan, but when obito does why is it different? Obito use of his sharingan wasn't critical when he decieved on Fuu and Torune. Their strat was to bait him into attacking, then the other one would strike. Except OBito never turned off his intangibility, he onlypretended to attack to trick his foes, that's an intelligence feat, not a sharingan feat.

It was actually explained why OBito declared war. He clearly wanted to lure bee and naruto into the open, which he successfully accomplished, as it was better to have both jinchuriki captured. And um no, Zetsu was actually trolling the alliance heavily, they needed naruto's emotion sensing to counter that, thus naruto was on the battlefield, thus naruto was lured out. And, bringing the world together was to show obito's inner light. Do you think it was a coincidence TTJ obito lost resolve as naruto and sasuke stabbed him? Do you think it was a coincidence obito felt uncomfortable around naruto? OBito deep down despite being 99 percent on board with the plan, had his doubts. He wanted to see what the world could achieve when they set aside their hatred for each other, and if they would be enough to take him down. and even then, the war was just a diversion. Sasuke had better conviction than obito as I already said. Obito would have adjusted accordingly if the variables changed. If kabuto and edo tensei never showed up, it was clear that the zetsu would be used to infiltrate the alliance bases and cause confusion while fighting a battle of attrition, while kisame gathers intel, and then obito with rinnegan could kamui gg both naruto and bee once he found their location, and do what he needed to do. obito himself was giving guy, kakashi, naruto, and bee a run for their money, so it was doable. Also, obito would have the same sasuke on his side fighting against konoha and naruto, so yeah, his plan was actually pretty smart. Kabuto (and also Black zetsu) were the ones that forced obito to change his plans around.

Obito's age and experience of course contribute to his knowledge, but that says nothing about his ability to implement said knowledge and use it effectively. Imo, he has done a better job than sasuke, though I respect yours.