User talk:Elveonora

Re: My theory on how nature releases work
As I said, the elemental chakras are basically earth etc., just made of chakra. They look and feel like the element they're supposed to be. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:08, September 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Eh, I don't prefer that explanation. It simply is the explanation given by the manga. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:23, September 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that's nothing to do with nature transformation, as far as we know. • Seelentau 愛 議 09:31, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Ok then...
I'm interested in your theory. Convince me that Blaze is Fire+Lightning and not Fire+Yin. ;)

Edit: By the way, you can call me "Windy" rather than "WindStar." Saves you the typing. Kinda like how people call Ten Tailed Fox "Foxie." :P -- WindStar7125   20:35, September 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Regarding your theory on plasma, if Plasma were a nature in Naruto, I'm sure it would be composed of Wind, Fire and Lightning, being a Kekkei Tōta like Dust Release. In chemistry and physics, when either wind, fire or lightning are heated at a certain temperature, they ionize, yes, and take a form of plasma. Generally speaking, by the time a gas is hot enough to be seen, it’s a plasma. Fire and Lightning are already seen, so yes they are plasma. In the case of fire, however, it as to be heated and ionized a little more to classify as a plasma (for it is technically still a gas), whereas lightning automatically is a plasma. Wind has to be heated and ionized to a greater degree then fire, and when wind is heated to a certain temperature, it becomes as visible as fire and lightning are, and is known as a plasma called solar wind, if you will.
 * An advanced nature is created "by initiating more than one basic chakra nature transformation simultaneously." That's straight from the Nature Transformation article. If you want to get technical, Fire+Yin is more than one nature. It is one nature + Yin. Not necessarily two natures, although that's all we've seen and been confirmed of so far.
 * Madara's Yin and Lightning created Black Lightning. I need to check with @Tau to see if the raws said that. The scanalation stated it was black lightning, need to know if the raw stated so. Also, if I'm not mistaken, when Sasuke mixed his Yin Release, Six Paths Chakra and Lightning, he had a similar case like Madara. As for Kakashi, well that's something else altogether, I thought what Sasuke and Kakashi did was the same, but according to @Tau it's different.
 * I can see why the common guess is that Fire+Lightning make Explosion. This is a fact: "An explosion is a rapid increase in volume and release of energy in an extreme manner, usually with the generation of high temperatures and the release of gases." This is also another fact, according to chemistry: "For the most part, fire is a mixture of hot gases." A third fact according to physics: "Plasma is the fourth fundamental state of matter, the others being solid, liquid and gas... Heating a gas may ionize its molecules or atoms (reducing or increasing the number of electrons in them), thus turning it into a plasma, which contains charged particles: positive ions and negative electrons or ions." If you heat a solid, it becomes a liquid. Heat a liquid, it becomes gas. Heat a gas, it becomes plasma. Plasma are heated gases. Fire and Lightning are already at a high temperatures and are heated gases (though lightning is more heated and is more qualified as a plasma than fire), but the reason why they aren't yet classified as explosive is because the hot gases aren't yet released at a certain velocity. They are at a condensed and compressed stage. When those hot gases in fire and lightning are released at high velocities/speeds, that qualifies as an explosion, according to chemistry.
 * I honestly think Magnet Release could be Earth and Lightning, but that's another debate, we haven't seen any Magnet Release users utilize lightning (or have we?).

...And that took a lot of research. -- WindStar7125   15:39, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

I personally hope that 4th databook comes rolling along... I think Fire+Lighting = Explosion because... well I don't have to elaborate any further, you read my long-ass explanation. But if Fire+Lightning = Explosion, that would also leave only 1 more advanced nature to go. But we'll see. :P -- WindStar7125   16:26, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Quick Suggestion
Can't you do that already?--~Ultimate Supreme  09:25, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, but you could still manually type it in like you did here--~Ultimate Supreme  10:09, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Naruto Tankobon omitted cover text
No idea, but I have plenty WSJ chapters, so if you're looking for something, just let me know and I'll check. • Seelentau 愛 議 11:51, September 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Didn't we already talk about that some year ago? Yes, I can confirm. It doesn't exactly say that he died 50 years ago, but it says that his cells live on even 50 years later (or something like that). • Seelentau 愛 議 12:35, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Sakura Haruno 0_0
Yeah mine to. But now it is over. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 11:40, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Re: forum history
Yeah, the links on RecentChanges are generally unsuitable to use as they always link wrongly.

In regards to seeing the post, it is possible to see it in context. On the thread history, just click the number in the history log (like "Elveonora removed Haxs's message #9 ) and you'll be taken to the post in the thread where you can see it. I don't know why it doesn't show "This reply has been removed" in every thread, because I know some wiki's have it like this, but don't know how it's done.

I am working with UltimateSupreme to put in some minor customisations that make the forums more suitable to use for all, just takes time because it's all JS and has to conform to wikia's customisation policies. :) --Sajuuk Talk Page 14:06, October 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, however it might not be possible to multi-quote. I do know Wikia are doing some enhancements to the forum system, so this might be a good thing to suggest via S:C. Although, I have no issues with a user double posting to respond to different messages, but double posting to respond to the same post is not allowed, as is double posting for the sake of not editing. :P --Sajuuk Talk Page 14:14, October 2, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Neji
It's just the pronounciation. • Seelentau 愛 議 12:46, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * It can mean screw. Japanese words have multiple meanings, so if you actually say neji, you could be talking about the character or about the tool. In written language, it depends on how you write the word. The screw neji is usually written in Hiragana and not in Katakana, like Neji's name. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:16, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

Hey
Can you back me up on the Naruto answers "What does Yin Release do directly?" page. Omega thinks that it wasn't Sasuke's rinnegan that allowed him to touch the chakra rods of Madara. He says i'm "assuming too much" Riptide240 (talk) 23:36, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

Yea but i mean it's pretty obvious since Tobirama looked at his face and said "oh that's why" basically. lmaoo Riptide240 (talk) 11:50, October 4, 2014 (UTC)

Re Yang
The data books are far from reliable on much of anything these days, and all life is created from Yin and Yang, which is something we know directly from the manga.--Reliops (talk) 17:47, October 5, 2014 (UTC)

Dude...
what's wrong with you today? Why're you so offensive to other users? First the one who asked for our opinions about the future of Naruto, and now the dude who wanted an explanation for a Japanese term. I typed it up already, but now it'S gone thanks to you. Calm down, please. • Seelentau 愛 議 16:58, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's a lame excuse for being shit to others. Just because you've a job to do you don't have to be an ass. • Seelentau 愛 議 17:15, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Tau, go and tell that to TU3 and Snapper2: they're always an ass to everyone. xD --Sajuuk Talk Page 17:16, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Not my fault children are so sensitive nowadays. If someone makes 5 pointless threads in a row, he won't be praised for that, unless you expect me to praise people for being stupid--Elve Talk Page 17:22, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

This needs attention
User Kris.gilson.12 has been questioning the content of Kakashi's article and has made edits like this. (No, I am not asking that he be blocked) He has made a talkpage topic here, in an attempt to get attention to what he sees as chronologically inconsistent information. According to him, he has put a similar topic on Kakashi's talkpage and been waiting a month for someone to respond, but with no avail. I've personally told him that I will make sure this topic gets attention (in order to stop him from removing the information). Please go to Kakashi's talkpage and respond to it. He has a point he'd like to make. Thanks for your time. • WindStar7125     02:51, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * (You didn't have to respond to me on this one) The only reason I took such actions was because he was basically vandalizing the wiki by removing valid content. You say you would have noticed anyway, he posted a similar topic a month ago, and no one noticed, according to him. I told him that I would make sure it was noticed. That is all. •  WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 12:01, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

New Idea
I would like to hear your input on the Appearance section forum thread please. Munchvtec (talk) 17:09, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Chat
Hey Elve, wondering if we could have a chat about something on the chatbox? Thanks! --Sajuuk Talk Page 11:04, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey, can you come on chat please? --Sajuuk Talk Page 19:46, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Damn, I didn't manage to catch ya. Able to come on ? --Sajuuk Talk Page 20:41, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

hey buddy...care to join the chat for a moment...I have some quetions :] --DARK ZER06 (talk) 10:52, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Just saw your message on the chat, can you come back on if possible? --Sajuuk Talk Page 12:03, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey, able to chat? --Sajuuk Talk Page 18:47, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

care to go for a chat br0... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 20:20, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re: ORAS
I bought it some time ago for 200€ (Special Pikachu Edition), in preparation for XY. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:11, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * No, I haven't sold it and while it's rather short, it's also rather long. And the graphics is amazing. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:31, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Heh. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:41, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

It's really, really long. Ten missions totally. But it gets boring after three or four. Basically, you start in Mossdeep City, meet with Steven Stone, fly to some island for some shitty reason (lost Pokémon, lost kid, this, that) on Latios and later Latias, and back. You get some items and a Glalile that you can transfer to the full game, and that's about it. The graphic is nice, as usual. On the touchscreen, the news is shown per default and you can sneak by pushing the control pad or whatever it's called, that looks funny. The menu and all that stuff got a new look, new pictures for trainer and everything. And that's about it. • Seelentau 愛 議 18:39, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Hello!!!
Yo ... Elve-kun... How are you doing? Hoping that everything's alright. It's been a long while since our last talk. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 21:05, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Loool, so happy birthday and hoping all your wishes come true. About your answer, you can say that Sasuke saved me form losing my interest of the series. His revolution state makes the series more enjoyable, but I doubt that Kishi would solve all the series mysteries in just four chapters like Orochimaru's fate, Guruguru's final resolve and so on... — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 08:58, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Also you brought up some events that weren't explained well in the manga. And yeah, Kakashi vs. Guruguru would make sense to test Kakashi's abilities for how he could handle the Hokage's title without obtaining Obito's power. I really missed the old Kakashi who used his "ninja" skills to handle the battles perfectly. Thanks for Kakashi Anbu anime filler arc that brought up some of those skills. The happy ending as you said isn't appropriate for this series at all and maybe Kishi was intending from the start that he continue the series by his new era project with some means like Dargonball's Toriyama did. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 09:30, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

Re: life force
Nope, we don't have an article about it and it's not really used that much in the manga, is it? I can only remember it from Chiyo's technique... • Seelentau 愛 議 02:29, October 14, 2014 (UTC)

Re: forum management
I actually thought I was allowed to do that. I'm removing only the most pointless stuff, like random "I want Sasuke's full body" and so. • Seelentau 愛 議 17:56, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Sakura's Designs
A few posts on Tumblr as well as some photosets have brought light to Sakura's screwed-up anime design. It isn't as much "worse" as it is a lot of animation mistakes, as well as many minor differences that make her look different. I dislike her anime version since it's like really badly made and doesn't suit the original design. Her manga version was much prettier. She looked like a really pretty, pink-haired ballet dancer, and I wiiish the animators did that in the anime.

Here are the sources:

http://yourturntowatchmyback.tumblr.com/post/99971234000/an-anon-asked-me-to-give-a-comparison-of-sakuras

Aaaaannnd:

http://of-cherryblossoms.tumblr.com/post/100013747949/im-going-to-call-this-photoset-studio-pierrot

At this point, I think Kishi's coloring is pretty much ten times as awesome. Siiigh. At least her design in the movie does her justice. Lol. Chau, Elve! --Plane in the Desert (talk) 18:07, October 15, 2014 (UTC)Plane in the Desert

Re: Chat
Yeah, I've noticed that... what's the problem by the way?? — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 20:33, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Let's see how the technical sysops deal with that. Hopefully it'll be fixed ASAP.. Didn't notice that as well since my long absence. Maybe they're thinking this wiki has refreshed type of chatting like in their wiki chats... Who knows??! — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 20:38, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, let's wait till tomorrow then... :) — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 20:43, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm quite excited for both of them tomorrow... After this chapter's release, only three ones are remaining... Time is running quite fast indeed. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 20:48, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * You have to hurry to catch up the remaining time of your day then.. Have a nice day!! See ya ^_^ — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 20:53, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Synopsis
I'd agree with every point that you mentioned, Elve-kun. But as you know, in the outsourced episodes like today's one. The depiction of moving-mouth Kurama/Gyūki are disabled, and don't worry. We'll see it again in the next week. The first Gokage summit was depicted so nice indeed and Naruto's feelings sharing scene was done so well also.

About the latest chapter, just WOOW!! Sasuke becomes cooler and more amazing at everytime. His absorption technique was more badass than Nagato and Madara, thanks to his new Rinnegan abilites. Asura's inherent ability is expected from Naruto as well by using his own avatar. The most thing that makes me amazed for those latest chapters is the clashing scenes. Last week we saw a Susanoo Chidori vs. Bijūdama and now Susanoo Raiton Arrow vs. two variation of Rasenshuriken. Sasuke's new Susanoo is cool indeed, and seems it's already named here but I suggest to name it like "Sasuke's absorbed bijū chakra-based Susanoo". or something like that. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 21:09, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Kishimoto seems loves to make the clashing between these two characters more amazing at everytime. Perhaps that Sasuke's still holding back by not using his Enton jutsu yet. Don't forget that Naruto was able to use every bit of the nine bijū chakra for his fight against Kaguya, so we may finally see a counterattack for Sasuke's attack. Let's wait for the next chapter to see how this clash ends, I think it'll contain some flashbacks of course. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 20:27, October 17, 2014 (UTC)

gender
are you male or female

Re: Nintendo 3ds question
Yes of course, why wouldn't it? • Seelentau 愛 議 20:36, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re: raws for latest chapters
What's been unclear? • Seelentau 愛 議 23:13, October 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, right now, I'm at my gf's place so I don't have access to the raws. If you want me to translate something, tell me and I'll see what I can do. I'm thinking of the "Kurama gathering natural energy" case as well as "Sasuke being on RS level". I think there were some mistranslations there. Also, the sentence I attributed to Naruto was really said by Sasuke. Seems like he can sense natural energy, by whatever means. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:18, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Sooo, I'm back at home. Whatcha want? • Seelentau 愛 議 16:29, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * I still don't have a fixed copy of that chapter, but I don't think it was the Wet Bones Forest. A script I read only used the word for forest, too.
 * Heh, I see why you want to get that translated. The Kanji used is indeed mother, but it is read as Kaguya. I have no clue how to translate it, though. Something about that Sasuke is also someone that understands Kaguya's false love or so. Do you know how mangastream translated it?
 * He says something like "I began with the Sharingan and now got the power of the Rinnegan in my hands, too. I'm already immortal...". I don't think he means immortal as in won't die of natural causes, but as in won't die in battle because of his strength.
 * Kurama says "This is bad... he's combining the split chakras into one. And he's doing it more than well... as if he was on old man Six Paths' level... just... that he's doing it the opposite way.". I think Sasuke used some kind of reverse COAT here.
 * Absorb? You mean gather? Yes, apparently, it can. It gathered all natural energy that was on the earth.
 * Tomorrow. :) • Seelentau 愛 議 18:35, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Will do. He probably translated it already.
 * Well yes, but why would the Rinnegan make someone suddenly immortal?
 * Splitting the chakras is not a part of COAT, so combining them again wouldn't be, either.
 * There's still no manga definition of what a sage actually is. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:00, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but Sasuke's eye lacks three tomoe.
 * Everyone has, these days.
 * You're misunderstanding that Kanji. It doesn't mean that the diagram is what a sage is. The Kanji simply means that Senjutsu chakra is made of those three energies. If it would be just about Ninjutsu, there'd be a diagram of two energies and the Kanji for Nin below. So it's not about the human, but about Senjutsu chakra. I actually think we shouldn't use that term, as well as pseudo jinchuriki (aside from Sora) and tailed beast skill. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:32, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * If that's true, then why is it the case?
 * It's not my interpretation. It's just that I probably have a better understanding of texts and pictures than you, don't know. And I remember Fukasaku's statement, but I also remember it being mistranslated. I can't even find it in the sage training chapters. The only thing that I know about sages is that they need to be gutsy or whatever. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:27, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

I hope I didn't offend you with my words about understanding.^^ Anyway, Fukasaku says "The evidence of a sage, the markings, successfully appeared!" or "The evidence of a sage, the markings appeared. It's a success!". Nothing about a perfect sage or anything. So even if we want to use the term sage canonically, we'd have to exclude everyone who doesn't have the markings. I believe this is further proof that using senjutsu =/= being a sage. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * ...why wouldn't he? • Seelentau 愛 議 21:52, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Check it again. • Seelentau 愛 議 22:08, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * The lines, yes. They're contract blood to summon the toads. But he has the markings, too. • Seelentau 愛 議 22:20, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Check chapter 377 for your answer. You'll see that he only looked like that after he absorbed more natural energy to use his giant Rasengan. Before doing that, he looked like Naruto and Minato, too. • Seelentau 愛 議 22:36, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, they obviously aren't the only ones. But that's the only defining trait we have to classify people as sages. We should abide it at least until db 4. • Seelentau 愛 議 22:53, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto flight tecnique
So in the latest episode, Naruto attacked Obito, missed and then changed direction in mid air. The scene is at 9:12 if you want to check it out. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 14:16, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay fair enough --Sarutobii2 (talk) 14:24, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Arrow
And who is to say that is the name of the arrow, hm? Sasuke could literally be saying it is an arrow that belongs to Indra. Given. The whole Yata Mirror/Totsuka Sword scenario, it's entirely plausible. So yes, in a sense, you could say labeling Indra a user is jumping the gun. But it's no more jumping the gun that assuming that's its name. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 14:55, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Chikara "again"
Yeah, just watched it and yeah. Kabuto just transformed into his current appearance by Orochimaru-Style Body Replacement Technique after suffering some pains inside his body. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 17:16, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Or to be more exact, he just transformed like he did when he captured Yamato in the Island Turtle. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 17:18, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Check it out. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 17:36, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know as well, but perhaps that Orochimaru's cells play a major rule for absorbing the natural energy for Kabuto's case. Since Orochimaru as known attempted to absorb/learn senjutsu in the past but he couldn't because of his body at that time, so does that mean if Orochimaru was familiar with using the senjutsu and how to adsorb it leads that to be a sage even with that trial? — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 17:59, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Totally agreed. Let's see how the databook will deal with this issue then. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 19:07, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Re: databook info
Free free to revert my edits then since it's obvious. Less than two weeks and we'll know everything. ^_^ — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 22:04, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Hemophobia
I am sorry for eavesdropping, but your message to Shakhmoot made me worried. Are you okay man? :/ Norleon (talk) 22:47, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * That sounds serious. I actually know that sensation, I lost consciousness twice after sitting several hours in a car doing nothing. During a break, I stood up too quickly, my systemic circulation couldn't keep up and I found myself on the floor again. The first time, my family said I was like sleepwalking towards the cliff (we were in the Alps at that time) before they could stop me and I collapsed - therefore, I am very wary of it. My mother too has hemophobia and even passes out when seeing her own blood, so I know how much of a pain it is. If it really happens at least once to you per week, I would seriously think about trying a therapy. Unfortunately, I can't think of anything else, pulling off a Tsunade will most likely not work in real life. Otherwise, I would've done that with my arachnophobia a long time before. Norleon (talk) 23:10, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hemophobia is a natural phenomena that affects most of people and the environment that you live plays a major rule for how to deal with it. So for example, if your brother/sister/father/mother/relative is a doctor, he/she shouldn't ever suffering for that phenomena because his job requires that he/she deals with the blood with ease. So, to overcome that phenomena you must avoid the reasons/events/sources that makes the blood spreading or something like that. If you go to psychiatric, he will give you some medicines but the side effects will be difficult to deal in the later stages of the cure as well as the additional costs. Just avoid, that how to overcome. A question, do you have a needlephobia? — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 11:12, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Tailed Beast genders
Where exactly? Because I read the TB articles, and they're all referred to as "it." • WindStar7125     15:48, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Before you call me stupid, I only see the gender thing on Shukaku, Isobu, Son Goku, Kokuo, Chomei, and Gyuki. And if you decide to put genders in their infoboxes, don't have the article refer to them as "it." Use "he" or "she." • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 15:54, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Non-human animals are referred to as "it" even when they are confirmed to have genders? Not where I'm from, but that's none of my business. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 15:59, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * But I've also heard the phrases "it's a girl" or "it's a boy," but whatever. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 16:03, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Itachi's sword
You were right about Itachi's sword only appearing in the manga but why is the Sword of Totsuka in that section? Itachi's susanoo sword is depicted as a sharp blade and the Sword of Totsuka is basically a sword on fire. The look nothing alike and the only similarities in appearance they share is the size and thats it. So im asking can we remove it from the susanoo sword section because there's no point in depicting a wrong sword. --Bio havik (talk) 12:10, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Umm i was talking about the depiction of the swords, not what they are made out of? So i ask you the same question regarding the 2 swords looking nothing alike. --Bio havik (talk) 12:27, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Re: technically
…huh? :D • Seelentau 愛 議 14:29, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry for butting in, but yes. Nine-Tails Chakra Mode could be compared to Version 1 while the chakra shroud Naruto has while in Tailed Beast Mode could be thought of as Version 2, since it's the Nine-Tails' power condensed in a human body.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg JOA20 14:40, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * JOA20 1 Seelentau 0--Elve Talk Page 10:41, October 27, 2014 (UTC)