Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34436445-20180604184258/@comment-34277398-20180706194800

Alpharex1 wrote: The question you should be asking is how can madara actually touch minato coz he has a high chance of doing that without the susanoo sluggish speed. A susanoo is just a chakra construct that can be wrapped away and nothing that madara has can't be wrapped by ftg. Madara was never hashirama's equal not even close, the guy was even creating huge useless flowers he didn't use at his side for decorations in a fight against madara. Check the trend, madara(normal sharingan) lost to hashirama then he went to get ms he still lost, he got the ems he still lost and finally the kyubi too and he still lost without scratching him all those times Madara is just your standard uchiha like izuna at that time who got killed by tobirama I actually have to disagree with this statement. Here is why. If we recall their flashback. Sure Hashirama's first attack when they both got serious stripped off Susanoo and captured Kurama. But after that point, Madara no longer had access to Kurama. And then Hashirama and Madara continued to fight to the point where they both were exhausted on the verge of passing out. And Hashirama tricked Madara with a wood clone and defeated him. I believe that is how it went in the manga. This suprised me because rinnegan Madara went toe-toe with Hashi and lost. But then again, I heard Kabuto edo-tensei didn't bring them to full power or something. Maybe that meant Rinnegan edo Madara was equal to alive EMS Madara. This would also make sense as to why alive rinnegan Madara seemed like an indisputable monster and much stronger than before.