Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150512133037/@comment-26773508-20150723145959

Minato 87 wrote: '''Tobirama isn't more intelligent than Minato. Tobirama can't beat Minato with all his jutsus, and Minato would win (without Gamabunta and Sage mod)'''. Tobirama can't do anything to Minato, Flying Thunder God: Slash-Minato is faster, Water style-Flying Thunder God: Guiding Thunder, Flying Thunder God Technique-Minato has that too. Minato is faster and Tobirama doesn't know all variants of Flying Thunder God, Minato knows all Tobirama's variants, and he can't hit him with FTG: Slash, because Minato is faster, Water style (Minato surely knows about that), and Tobirama doesn't knows about Rasengan. Tobirama: FTG, FTG: Slash, Water Style, Shadow Clone Technique, high intelligence, he is really good in Taijutsu, and he has much Chakra. Minato: FTG, FTG level 1, FTG level 2, FTG: Guiding Thunder, Rasengan, Shadow Clone Technique, high intelligence, much Chakra. That's nothing more than conjecture. The fact is neither Tobirama nor Minato have much feats to conclusively decide which one of them would be the ultimate victor. Tobirama's strategy+intelligence feats so far is superior to Minato (you may think differently, but this is what both their feats show). On the other hand, Minato's FTG feats are vastly superior to Tobirama. But apart from FTG, Rasengan, and a sage mode that he hasn't yet been able to use effectively in battle, Minato has no feats at all. Tobirama's suiton feats aren't that great either. So all we have is hype. Same thing with the original topic (Tobirama vs. Hiruzen). We only have hype and no feats. Personally, I think Tobirama is above both Hiruzen and Minato. But with such inadequate feats, we can't say anything conclusively, at all. My preference for Tobirama are based on his performance against Juubito and the fact that he spent more than a decade battling the Uchiha (plus that moment where he scared the shit out of Sasuke, Orochimaru & co. with just a raise of his finger). Apart from that, there's really not much with which to gauge Tobirama's power.

TL;DR: Tobirama, Hiruzen and Minato both lack sufficient feats and only have hype on their side. So nothing conclusive can be said about who's the strongest. My personal bias is towards Tobirama, and that's only based on his performance against Juubito and more than a decade fighting the Uchiha.