Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-30323490-20180906202458

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote: LegionZero wrote: @littlegen: 6 Paths Sage Mode is a form 6 Paths Senjutsu. Just like there are multiple ways to achieve regular Senjutsu, there are multiple ways to achieve 6 Paths Senjutsu.

And thats what I have been saying. Literally everything Naruto had done after he met Hagoromo was credited to Hagoromo. in Naruto's entry, in SPSM entry, in Hagoromo's entry, Yin-yang Release entry, Kaguya's entry. The only times the Bijuu were accredited with providing SP Senjutsu were in Madara, Obito, and 10 Tails coffin seal entries.

Again you're only noticing one condition and not the other. You're also omitting or forgetting that hagoromo had no Rikudo senjutsu to give to naruto which I already proved, yet naruto is able to awaken that power. Literally all his feats post his conversation with hagoromo was done while having different levels of Rikudo senjutsu. It is his other condition to enter rsm. It is his condition to achieve yin-yang release. It is his condition to reseal kaguya with the 2 Rikudo hand powers. Hagoromo said that many conditions have been met. Only speaking of one condition is proof of a lack of understanding and context.

Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: @Hagoromo Otsutsuki

I think you're being mistaken somewhere. SPSM was given to Naruto by Hagoromo, NOT the Tailed Beasts. Naruto received the Tailed Beast Chakra when the Tailed Beasts themselves their Chakra to Naruto and when Obito also gave him the Eight and One Tails in his Kamui Dimension. Naruto, in Boruto still has Hagoromo's Chakra and can still use SPSM. In fact, he used SPSM against Momoshiki in the Manga. ( Even Naruto's eyes, that don't show pigmentation, like ordinary Sage Mode prove it ). I've addressed this already. You are speaking about a different condition than I am. The condition to receive the form is not the same condition to use the form. That is as simple as I can put it.

Vladosaurus wrote: Having all the bijuu chakra made Naruto trigger Six Paths Senjutsu. Just like having Hashirama's cells (and him being an Indra reicarnation) made Sasuke trigger his rinnegan. Now nobody knows what Hagoromo did exactly, but his chakra probably speed up the awakening process for the boys, and also gave them special abilities namely Six Paths Sage Mode and Sasuke's special tomoes in his rinnegan, which let him keep his sharingan abilities in it. The main reason why Naruto has and had Six Paths Senjutsu in the first place was the bijuu chakra.

Naruto still has Six Paths Sage Mode, still has the bijuu chakra, still has the healing ability. The only difference between Hokage Naruto and teen Naruto is that Hokage Naruto doesn't have the TSB anymore because they were all destroyed during the war.In exchange he has the other half of Kurama. Outside of hagoromo calling him the meeting place, what evidence is there of naruto retaining those 8 fragmented Biju chakra?

What is the evidence of his current healing ability?

I've proven that TSOS can replenish. Hagoromo proves this, so does Obito and kaguya. Naruto not having any TSOS is fixed by achieving more Rikudo senjutsu. Plus hagoromo wouldn't give naruto or sasuke power that leaves them forever reliant on his assistance. They have abilities that can be maintained and sustained without his direct help. Namely Rikudo senjutsu rsm and rinnegan. Sure they already have his Chaka, but even after he returned to the afterworld they kept those abilities. Sasuke still uses rinnegan because he meets the conditions to do so. Naruto doesn't use rsm because he doesn't all the conditions to do so. I'm not saying his mentality changed and he lost the mode, I'm saying he level of power changed and is no longer supportive of rsm. But simply gaining more fragments from the 8 Biju OR sealing the their actual bodies inside him will meet and/or exceed the condition of power to use rsm.

But don't make claims that he's using a form when he's not showing any of the abilities of that form. Same goes for all claims that he uses rsm in conjunction with another form. Prove that outright if you can, otherwise drop that speculation entirely. Databook doesn't state he used a second form with rsm, it is a single form. Whereas the last guidebook states kurama mode was used with sage mode. Naruto' rsm has both the strongest tailed beast chakra and nature energy already. He doesn't need to add other modes to it.

That is all.

Oh my God, somebody just close this thread already. Buddy, there is no reason, no mention, not even canonically or uncanonically brought up the fact that Naruto lost his powers. This is fucking bullshit. What proof do i have? Dude, you literally provided yourself the passage from Shikamaru's novel where is clearly stated that Naruto has the all the 9 pieces of bijuu chakra and is a host for the power of the juubi.And you say that he can't using just to feed you shit arguments that make no sense.And Naruto never had large portions of bijuu chakra. He always ALWAYS only had small pieces.

Also somebody here said that Naruto can't use his healing because he doesn't have the yang seal on his palm. Bullshit. The healing was because of yin-yang release and SPSM. Even a Naruto shadow clone healed Obito in the lava dimension. So if shadow clones could just use the seal whenever they wanted, why did the real Naruto bother to seal Kaguya in the first place? Why didn't he just send a shadow clone and not risk it? Again, the healing was because of yin-yang release and SPSM. The seal on Naruto's hand HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. And the data book clearly confirms this.

Also since the war Naruto had 3 semnificant battles : Against Toneri where he clearly used KSM, in the Gaiden where he was fighting kids and didn't even bother to launch a decent attack and against Momoshiki where he couldn't use ninjutsu at all. So at what part exactly was he supposed to use bijuu chakra in these battles?

Also give me a break, Naruto's TSB never regenerated. Newsflash, Naruto had in some panels TSB and in others none because he literally just sent his TSB as attacks, away from his body. Like for instance when he began his battle with Sasuke he only had 3 TSB left after the battles with Kaguya or Madara. Sasuke sent his susanoo arrows and Naruto countered them with his TSB. After that, guess what, the TSB, THE SAME 3 TSB returned on Naruto's back. And those 3 that he had left got destroyed in the Indra Arrow vs Dual rasenshuriken explosion. And the same thing happened every single time Naruto used TSB, hence why in some panels he was missing them, like when he launched 9 bijuu bombs rasenshurikens at Madara's satelites.

For real, somebody just close this thread already.