Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-3965545-20170203214839/@comment-26403664-20170205170717

@Nope2937 I don't think it was his own jutsu. Then again it is my opinion, and I still think regardless if it is or isn't Sasuke and Naruto are capable at FULL POWER from the beginning are capable of defeating him. However, the energy vessel absorbs chakra and nature energy. Toneri was capable of using the Green Orb on Hinata before he implanted Hanabi's eyes and after the eyes were taken out after being defeated by Naruto. Since he didn't have the Tenseigan in both of those instances and one was before so you can't pull the once you have the eyes you can use the jutsu argument. I think it is connected to the weapon instead like the puppets and Toneri was capable of having some use of the weapon since he could control the puppets before gaining the dojutsu.

@Kakashisologod Naruto was and is more powerful than Sasuke at that point. Naruto also won against an inexperienced Toneri. Sasuke is also smarter and more capable of a battle strategy than Toneri. Sasuke can also use instant spacetime ninjutsu, Amaterasu, and genjutsu. Toneri was also capable of defeating a Hizashi Hyuga. He also could use handsigns, Kaguya was also inexperienced along with Momoshiki and Kinishiki, if anything that is a compliment to those characters showing how dangerous they are since they don't need proper ninja training to contain with hella experienced ninja. And this no longer a ninja fight, it's purely a frekaing god against god, ninja training really stops applying after a while considering it's about who can blow up what better.