Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34938099-20180621162725/@comment-27924662-20180623192207

HereComDatBoi wrote: Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Also I am quite surprised that people are actually claiming that Hashirama can outlast this Minato. Minato himself as Huge amounts of chakra, if you put Kurama in Mix it should surpass Hashirama. Seems like a stretch... a very long stretch... Not really Hashirama's chakra quantity in sage mode was stated to be at level of Naruto and Kurama's combo.

Vladosaurus wrote: I don’t know what version of the chapter did you read, but i have never seen Madara stating that he was lucky or that Tobirama could have killed him. And even if Minato is better with hiraijin than Tobirama, Hashirama is also much better with SM than Madara.Madara was only using SM via Hashirama’s chest cells, so that alone says a lot. So in the worst case scenario, things get even out between Minato and Hashirama.Also everybody is ignoring the fact that Madara not only dodged Tobirama but he also caught him and impaled him with rinnegan rods.Tobirama not only got dodged but he also got pretty much killed. I mentioned the chapter already. it's 661 Failed World Page roughly 11 or so. As for whole senjutsu argument, Madara never became "senjutsu user". The Hashirama's cells on Madara's body simply absorbed Hashirama's Senjutsu chakra. Unless you have some claim about how Hashirama cell on Madara is somehow inferior to Hashirama cells on original body it doesn't make a difference. The senjutsu quality used in both cases are same. Vladosaurus wrote: Again, the Wood Dragon alone was able to restrict half of nine-tals and incapacitate him. Madara has the Wood golem which is at least equal to Madara’s PS, he has those wood god gates that could restrict the ten-tails itself, he has that unreal healing superior to Tsunade’s( and tanking ability improved further by SM).Minato is not even doing damage without at least a TBB.Forget about his rasengan and kunais, he simply can’t do jack flip against Hashirama IN BASE, not even SM.And then there is The True Several Thousands Hands with witch Hashirama overwhelmed FULL KURAMA + PS. Minato is simply not winning against full force Hashirama. ^at best an opinion. For starters Jinchuriki are stated to be much stronger than beast themselves. On top of that its not like Hashirama and his clones can survive point blank TBB which Minato can do via sacrificing his clones in the process. In fact the FTG required for such task needs to be short to mid- range to kill Hashirama. Not to mention at any point Hashirama's Wood release won't work thanks to FTG helping minato to escape every encounter. EDIT: You seem to have quite radical opinion about Base Hashirama VS Base Minato. Weren't you the one who stated that SM is needed for sensing FTG? So how is base Hashirama even a match for Minato. The way I see it here is pretty clear, Minato is above BAse Hashirama. Fight with SM is up for discussion. And Beast Mode/(or KCM) should be above SM Hashirama Tier. Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: Lmao, that REALLY doesn't change anything. That was just a stupid and meaningless statement. Fact is, Madara dodged the attack on his own. There was no 'luck' in that. It's just plain obvious. I mean, just watch the scene again. And tell me where do you see luck in that? It's clearly shown that Madara, on his own, sensed Tobirama attacking him from behind with FTG and dodged it with the Sage Power, he acquired from Hashirama. And since, Madara isn't as good as Hashirama when it comes to Sage Power ( Which is obvious ), Hashirama, who is much better, should also  easily  react to Minato, who arguably is also somewhat better his predecessor. a blatant opinion. Read the chapter. Either way Madara never dodged the attack himself. he needed Sage Mode. As for whole Senjutsu argument read what I told to Vladosaurus. Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: And no. Base Hashirama has Chakra equal to Naruto in his Yang Tailed Beast Mode. And that's without his Sage Mode. Furthermore, Naruto in base  easily  has more Chakra than Minato in Base. As even as a kid, Naruto's Chakra was said to be 4 times more than Kakashi. Imagine how much Teen naruto must be having. Naruto is the reincarnation of Asura. It's just obvious that he would be born with tremendous Chakra, that would surpass his own father's Chakra by the time he became a mere Teen. Of course, Minato also has very massive Chakra reserves. But it's just that Naruto, being the reincarnation of a God, has even more. Another thing is that Hashirama is also the reincarnation of Asura. It's just obvious that he is born with God-Like Chakra and body, which allowed him to battle his rival to death for an  ENTIRE  day, something which Minato still hasn't shown. Come back when he does. I am quite sure the clones were made after Sage mode. Hashirama releases 4 clones, Tobirama and Minato release two each after restraining Ten-Tails in 4 Red yang formation. These four clones help other members of alliance to breach the barrier and that's when he makes the comment. Also it is quite interesting as to how you are attempting to equate stripling Naruto's chakra to Minato even if he is an reincarnation.(perhaps next you will be saying that infant naruto had more chakra. Or the Naruto in original series?) Also that fighting whole day argument means nothing. As matter of fact Raikage fought continuously for 3 days against 10k shinobi. And one of those food pills can give you enough energy to fight for 3 days. That number is not a factor at all here.