Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31338621-20190129080042/@comment-35409024-20190208003100

Asian Reaper wrote: Minato set up a kunai field with the Raikage, but when has he done this since then? He didn't against Obito, he didn't against TTJ Obito, he didn't against the Ninja he saved Kakashi from. That's one tactic, but I haven't seen enough to call it his "go-to." Chap 242. Chapter 542. In the fourth war, he put all sort of kunai throughout the battlefield, over ten. Against Jubi Obito, he actually threw six kunai around him. So you're wrong about that. He might have even had them spread throughout the field to save all the Shinobi as shown when Kiba and those in company, looked down to see Minato's Kunai had saved them and got them out the barrier. But yeah, ten plus kunai definitely counts as that method. So 3/5 showings from him, he did it. And one of those showings, the one you mentioned, was due to the fact he was busy protecting Kakashi. He had to quickly go on the defense and deflect all the kunai the enemy was throwing at Kakashi as he ran off on his own. Then he had to use Flicker, to get Kakashi while also marking the enemy. Then at that point, that method wasn't needed. So I don't count it, unless you can prove too me Minato wasn't busy protecting Kakashi. Even then, 3/5 showings, definitely a go to. Also, substituting a clone is iffy. Minato has shown exceptional sensing and observation. Noarmally Itachi can set up a clone because he's that much faster than his opponents. But Minato is just the guy who could see through it if there was anyone who could. Itachi has a better chance at clone feints during the heat of the fight, not at the beginning while both are watching closely. Based off what evidence? I don't recall Minato being better than the average Sensor at all. In fact, I don't even recall him being greater than anyone. Everyone seems to be able to sense Chakra in some way, as shown in the trivia section of Chakra Sensory. Even then, I only remember Minato sensing through feeling the ground and that's all. As for the only example of him sensing Naruto's Chakra on the battlefield, even non sensors did that. And he only did it willingly and didn't notice until someone actually said something. So he seemingly cannot sense passively and when it came too it,  he had to place his hand on the ground to detect multiple people, so it's doubtful. Even then, sensing chakra still doesn't tell you which is the real one or if one is a clone explosion. Minato can warp away chakra constructs, so Susanoo would be a huge disadvantage for him to pull out. Mainly because Minato has the speed to dodge it and the abilities to teleport it away. What does teleporting it away accomplish? When a guy can summon his Susano'o faster than lightning can strike and it be enough to effectively block an attack such as Kirin, teleporting it away doesn't accomplish anything. As far as Genjutsu, the series already showed that a sharper mind has a greater chance at seeing through Genjutsu immediately. I don't think any of Itachi's lower Genjutsu would affect Minato much at all; Tsukuyomi would most likely beat Minato, and Genjutsu Sharingan would probably hold him long enough to make an opening. But any other Genjutsu probably isn't enough. That's just based off your feelings, if we all went on how we felt, then we wouldn't get anywhere in a debate. But in my example, I definitely used Genjutsu Sharingan, so it doesn't matter. As to whether Itachi could establish eye contact, that's up for debate. Itachi is a masterful Shinobi when it comes to directing fights, but Minato is much keener and faster and more skilled than anyone Itachi's ever fought. So, it's debatable whether or not Itachi would catch him in a Genjutsu. I think it really isn't a debate until someone can explain too me why someone so observant as you said, wouldn't notice his Sharingan. Keep in mind that Minato is a sensor. He could most likely sense chakra build up in the eyes and guard accordingly. Also, remember that when Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Kakashi, Itachi took a second to actually cast it. Kakashi had time to tell Asuma and Kurenai to shut their eyes and explain they didn't have a chance without a Sharingan. Minato would probably notice Itachi using his Mangekyo as fast or faster than Kakashi did, so he's got a big shot at knowing to look away. Based off what which allows him to sense the build up in the eyes? The only person I recall ever sensing a buildup in the eyes, was Jubi Obito. That feat doesn't belong too him. Nor is he on that level. So irrelevant. I remember Itachi closing his eyes and dramatically reopening them to reveal his Mangekyo. Which he has shown later on, he doesn't need to do. Not that he needed a second to cast Tsukuyomi, since it requires his Mangekyo to use. The moment you look into his eyes, you are in it as stated in the 2nd databook. Ninja of War wrote: Just to add on a scenario here, Minato could even use FTG: second step at the beginning of the fight. Minato throws a marked kunai at Itachi's head, Itachi dodges and prepares fire style or shuriken, Minato use FTG: second step to attack a preoccupied Itachi. Itachi's only option at that point would be to use Susanoo to defend, but depending on how close Minato is, that might not be effective. And why doesn't Itachi deflect it with a throw of his own, thus stopping the attack? Or why does Minato do it to begin with when the only cases he's done it was a, against a super speed shinobi he was able to witness first, b against an intangible uchiha who he's been dealing with all night. Your scenario is also unrealistic. You completely downplayed Itachi. You completely ignored the part where Minato probably looks into his eyes just through observing who he is fighting. You completely put Itachi in a box unable to do anything but let Minato do what he wants. I doubt Minato would ever get a kunai in position against Itachi who has better feats with throwing items. Then you got Minato doing his greatest attack in the beginning when he's only done it once like that, while on the defensive against a fellow speed Shinobi. You also made it seem like Itachi is fodder for Minato, lol. That's a poor scenario that lacks any valid points. At least I'm unbiased enough to say Minato has the advantage and don't downplay his superior speed.