Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180719181710/@comment-34194151-20180902013046

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Incorrect. Wood clones and shadow clones are practically the same thing with some subtle differences. Tobirama invented shadow clones based on his brother's wood clones. Madara explicitly stated he fought against wood clones, this is canon, not up for debate. His experience fighting wood clones therefore transitions to shadow clones. He canonically was able to tell the difference between hashirama's wood clones and the original, and he could also tell the difference between naruto's shadow clones and the origninal. This is canon. As long as he has his sharingan or rinnegan activated, he can tell the difference. Kakazu had no such ability. I have already repeated this like 3 times, and you keep saying the same things. Kakazu was never explicitly stated to have massive experience against a skilled shadow clone/wood clone user (i doubt hashirama needed to use wood clones, he beat kakazu with very low difficuly imo with his regular mokuton stuff, and even if hashi did use clones in that fight, this was just a one time battle, where as madara fought hashi for decades). Madara was, that is the difference. So no, kakazu had no verifable experience against shadow clones/wood clones, and that's why his defeat, despite his experience, was inevitable and believable. Naruto simply used all that experience against kakazu as kakazu thought that the kage bunshin were strictly diversionary, and had never faced someone smart enough to actually place themselves amongst a diversion. Kakazu's experience and analysis told him that the real naruto would always be holding the rasenshuriken, he didn't think clones were actually capable of weilding such a high level jutsu, nor did he realize that when you face shadow clones you have no way of telling a clone from an orgininal, so he made the mistake of assuming that the naruto in back was the real one. Experience doesn't gaurantee a win depending on context, which you are ignoring. IF you have the right amount, type, and quality of experience you will always have an edge over your opponent sufficent you have a good arsenal and the stat difference isn't too big. Obviously, no amount of experience can save you if your opponent is fast enough to speed blitz you before you can mentally react, hence why Might guy's night moth could solo 99 percent of the verse.

And as LoneNinja explained very well, you could see how kakazu's experience, though limited by the fact he clearly made some mistakes in how approached fighting an opponent like naruto, still kept him in the fight for a good while, and he nearly stalemated naruto. Once the first rasenshuriken failed, kakazu, didn't let naruto get a chance to escape, naruto tried to run but kakazu knew exactly how to counter him using his threads. Without his shadow clones, kakazu>naruto, he easily restrained and nearly killed him. Experience shapes every single battle in naruto. Chiyo was explicited stated to be a threat to sasori because of her combat experience, and it showed, she was beating his hundreds of puppets with just ten for a while, and giving him a run for his money. In the end sasori would have won if he wasn't sucidial, but the fight only lasted as long as it because of her experience, even sasori stated this a few times. Sasori was more talented and powerful, but what closed the gap was sakura's strength/medicine prep, plus chiyo's massive experience in battle plus being a master puppeter herself.