Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-37265641-20181022021850/@comment-34194151-20181125095111

@Loneninja

I already sent you the link to Databook 3, take a relook. the shield is inherently invincible based on the mechanics for it's defense. it reflects any attack? how is that hard to understand?

Um no, ignoring context much? Itachi was trying to protect sasuke more than himself throughout that entire fight. I said it before and I will say it again, you look too much at what the outcome was instead of the actual decision making process and that is because you are being closed minded. It's not my fault you don't understand that itachi took the most efficient action. Taking the most efficient action =/= the only viable action. you fail to take into account there is a fast giant snake coming to swallow them alive, and I already proved that partner method is the fastest and most failproof method to break someone out of genjutsu, and itachi optimized it by getting himself out too. like I said, genin shikamaru broke that genjutsu despite it being amped by senjutsu chakra.

Lol no, i am fully aware of what comparatives are. The problem is you don't seem to understand that Japanese to English isn't always some complete 1-1 translation. Did you read the original Japanese to understand what the writer truly intended and iron out the subtle changes in word choice? Your goal is to find evidence that discredits itachi or black zetsu, which is the issue, as opposed to looking at the manga as a whole and the individual contexts and then drawing a conclusion. Does the translation you have properly capture the context of the chapter? does it make sense with what we know from the other characters have said before?This is what is called having an open mind. If I say naruto is weaker than kaguya, does that mean Kaguya is weak? not inherently. If i say itachi is shorter than kakashi does that mean kakashi is short? not inherently. Comparatives compare two objects relative to the other, that is all. The word choice dense does imply that itachi is dense, except that doesn't make sense with what black zetsu has said before. Furthermore just because a someone is wrong about one thing or a few things or says bullshit about one thing, doesn't mean he is suddenly lacks credibility about everything else. Let me guess, Black Zetsu wasn't there at the valley of the end watching hashirama and madara and that memory he showed was just him spewing bs? yeah, no. that is just a faulty assumption. No character in this manga or even in real life is right about everything 24/7, but experts in the field are always given the proper credibility points. No character is necessarily all knowing, not even Black Zetsu, but the difference is when the author comes out and actually gives the supporting explanation in the databook.

Lol, when I state a win condition, its clear I believe that Itachi can achieve it. It doesn't matter that kisame knows he must avoid eye contact. Obito knew he had to avoid FTG level 2 from minato and look what happened, he had the knowledge but he couldn't do jack with it because minato was superior, faster, and controlled the pace of the clash.

Just the same Itachi can trick kisame into looking into his eyes in a number of ways. Itachi points at him for the finger genjutsu, then while kisame breaks that itachi can move into kisame's line of sight and nail him with eye contact. the sharingan can track kisame's gaze. Itachi can spawn and move a shadow clone into the right place and catch kisame slipping and catch him with eye contact for the tsykuyomi.

The water dome starts with a shockwave of water first which could be neutralized by the yata mirror in a number of ways. even if the dome resolves, kisame maybe faster under water but it doesn't matter because once he comes in close he is getting one shotted by totsuka blade one way or another.

lol what? kaguya was literally a mindless beast during her battle with her sons. Sorry, but that it is not quality combat experience in the slightest. Hagoromo and hamura maybe gods but they aren't shinobi. Itachi and the other shinobi down the line actually engaged in quality combat experience. Naruto even says she fell for henge because she isn't familiar with how shinobi actually pioneered the use of ninjutsu into actual strategic combat over the thousand year period that kaguya was sealed away. so no she is very inexperienced. She still made mistakes even with her byakugan active so I don't see what this proves. kaguya is literally 0-2 in combat. The only people she has defeated were regular humans during her time and she was a goddess among men and women. she isn't horrible and her strength and speed more than compensates for this weakness but against someone who can ignore a lot of her big moves her weakness in experience becomes exploitable. ITachi was literally anbu black ops captain at age 13, he has tons more experience than kaguya, period, plus he is an actual genius, while kaguya has an average intellect. black zetsu was the brains.