Talk:Haku

would people agree with such a trivia?
The gender doesn't refer to his genetic make-up, it's something inside of head, personal identity and how we socially differentiate our role and position. Nothing disproves him being biologically a female at all. Transgender people are very common in Japan and are often used in manga and such. It's not such a taboo in there as is in more Americanized parts of the world. The painted nails and lipstick really do not help either. He may have been given a masculine name, he may have been raised as a boy, he may have recognized himself as male as well, but I think we shouldn't discriminate anyone and at least accept a possibility that he was a girl down there and I'd like it in trivia--Elveonora (talk) 13:50, June 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * While admirable, it is reading too much into it. Haku is a male with extremely feminine traits and aspects. I don't think we need to read any more into it. --Taynio (talk) 14:00, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, if the author weren't Japanese... it's part of their culture and mangas follow many tropes etc. that's the sole reason for bringing it up. That, and also transgender people shouldn't be discriminated. So hindering the possibility just because of one's own personal bias that it is wrong/hate is stupid, we should be open minded. I just believe it should be made clear that what the databook entries refer to is intangible gender. Orochimaru was male in Part I. despite being a woman as well (making him transsexual essentially, but that's another story) while changing sex is extreme, changing gender isn't, it's common and there's simply not enough evidence to say if Haku had one thing or another down there, but his femininity suggests him being biologically female.--Elveonora (talk) 14:45, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * And that is an argument to take elsewhere. As far as Naruto is concerned, he is a very effeminate male. If you wish to take up gender debates, don't do it here.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 14:58, June 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Haku is androgynous, and that is all. --Taynio (talk) 15:02, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * @Ultunate, Well, and that's quite amusing considering there are several archived talkpages on this topic. Haku is the only canonical character with questionable sex as far as I know. Why are you against a possibility that the author might have made Haku an example of transgender character?--Elveonora (talk) 15:09, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * They were archived because they ended up very long, very circular, and didn't help the wiki at all. At the end of the day, this is something that is better left elsewhere. Drop it.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 15:12, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * If you wish so. My bad for angering you.--Elveonora (talk) 15:19, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Kiri
Hes not really a Mist ninja; more like an apprentice of Zabuza, should be removed from the Kirigakure affiliation? He was never really apart of the village like at all.--RexGodwin (talk) 03:09, August 20, 2014 (UTC)