Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20171113213649/@comment-33308438-20171205112242

UntappedRage wrote: Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote: Agree. Hiruzen in his old age cannot even hold his enma staff properly, you cant compare that guy with a young fresh hashirama. Hiruzen is indeed stronger than hashirama. nAtRiX oPiNiOn InVaLiDaTeD

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gOoD dAy Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote: Databook can be colorful language but not until its proven wrong by the director so until then the words are valid. So Totsuka and Yata are perfect offense and defense, you just cant accept that fact. The very reason he didnt use it suggests it can destroy the whole world if used, so kishi nerfed it , not only that , kabuto claimed itachi had more power and more jutsu than he had shown as of now , so that means itachi was completely holding back in kabuto's fight. Either itachi was holding back all the time like he did in kabutos fight or it was A pis made by kishi to not allow itachi to use it to destroy NV and kabuto. Will there be any plot progression if the weapons are used in that manner? Its very mechanics make it to be omnidirectional and capable of repelling every attack and sealing everything, so why should the words be hyperbole? '''Its only hyperbole when the mechanics dont go with the statement like temari's wind. She has never shown the capacity to wreck a continent let alone a universe and its mechanics are vacuum blades summoned to cut through substances, nothing more''' , but itachis weapons are different. It was stated to be perfect and the mechanics align with the perfection idea, not just words. Yet you are purposefully '''trying to find loopholes which the director denies. And the very manga denies'''. I can deny madara's feats and every statement about him then? They all come from the same manga ... so concede already, no use in denying straight facts . I'm translating...

Basically Natrix is saying Itachi is the strongest being in existence and can defeat everybody all at once because he has the Yata Mirror of which we have only his FanFiction tier assumptions based on an inaccurate databook for it's feats and level of power because we've never actually seen it in action.

Me having fallacious logic? The irony. I'm not the one that lacks evidence to support my claim, if you haven't realized that then, well, it's rather sad.

Literally the foundation of your argument is built upon an already widely known inaccurate source, but you try and reinforce your reasoning with mere assumptions based on statements made by characters within the universe. It literally places your entire already rocky foundation under heavy amounts of conjecture. Not only that, but you state your assumptions as fact, of which it is not, due to the fact of the many inconsistencies within it and is purely speculative in nature.

Yes, you can deny many of Madara's statements about his power, along with a plethora of other characters as most of it is mere exaggeration, but you cannot deny what we have seen in the actual manga. You cannot make the assumption that Hiruzen is more powerful than Hashirama just because Hiruzen was old and the title he held. Not only that, you claim that he couldn't even hold his staff properly in old age? Have you even read the manga?

You repeatedly undermine your own logic countless times, contradicting yourself within your own arguments. It's only hyperbole when the statement does not go with the mechanics? But Itachi's is different because it's mechanics fall in line with statements made from characters? What? That doesn't even make any sense. You actually want to create a "supporting" argument based on complete character rhetoric? By your logic if my sword cuts, and someone I knew stated I could cut through composite armor, my mechanics align with the statement so obviously it isn't an hyperbolic statement. I suppose the classic example of hyperbole's is also not a hyperbole within your logic, wherein which if you were that hungry I guess you can eat full zebra's.

Temari's wind is overstated because it has never shown the capacity to destroy continents, but Itachi "has" "shown" the "full" capabilities of the Tosuka Blade and Yata Mirror? Where was that? In your dreams? Seriously? What a way to undermine yourself.

My previous argument's were not at all irrelevant, as it was an analogy to your entire rationale, because that's the substance of your argument: comprised of pure hypothetical guess work made with conjectural suppositional evidence. The only fallacious logic here is yours and your biased way of making madara the god of everything which irritates me to no extent, your only argument is itachi didnt use it and that databook is hyperbole and manga statement is hyperbole , other than that which argument do you have? Yeah itachi would simply slap madaras arsenal around with these weapons, you know that , but you keep being in denial. Manga fact = Itachi is completely invincible with spirit weapons, spirit weapons are magical so can do anything , spirits weapons dont have physical form so cannot be damaged , spirit weapons were stated to be absolutely perfect offense and defense , Kaguya herself in the form of black zetsu stated this , Kaguya was only called merely immortal , madara was merely called immortal , all of these manga facts and you saying your stupid biased reasons for downplaying the weapons are manga facts , doesnt make it one. Yup hiruzen is stronger than hashirama in his prime = manga fact. Anything else you want me to debunk? Yup i would like it if you compare an old death bed strain naruto with a prime boruto when naruto gets old ... smh. See things with unbiased logic, or bring valid proof for your statements , simply using fallacious nonsense logic over and over again. You are acting fully stupid again, temaris wind is a hyperbole but isnt one in the contextual sense. Because she could rip the body of the strongest shield man with her vacuum blades though with some help. The description is the key, the description , not she has shown it or anything , stop misunderstanding my statements , even if she hasnt shown to be capable of wrecking a continent , if the description of her databook says she can destroy continents with the force of her wind , I'll believe it. Just the title alone is metaphor or a very contextual statement, though in a way , temari can destroy almost everything in NV considering she ripped 3rd's armour and body with some help. Yata mirrors mechanics have been stated to block and deflect all types of attacks, Totsuka has been stated to seal and cut any thing and cannot be avoided with speed or any other implement , because its an absolutely perfect attack which goes with unlimited speed and flawlessness in attack. These are stated as its mechanics, so if you dont want to accept it , even though BZ says these mechanics of weapons and attributes make him completely invincible unlike some mere rinnegan wielder you put above itachi , then i dont know what kind of proof to bring to prove it yet again. The proof is on the table, if you dont want to accept it , keep up your opinion its your wish though it doesnt agree with manga fact.