Talk:Genjutsu

I dont understand what is genjutsu, can it kill you? the only way to escape it is "Self-Inflicted pain?" because that is real pain, not like genjutsu pain that is fake?
 * Genjutsu is illusions, so as far as we have seen, they can't kill you or cause pain, (only make the victim think they are in pain or tied up or something else), although Tsukuyomi is said to be abel to cause real damage to a person without Sharingan, (although that has never been seen). Genjutsu is caused by a enemy that manipulate the victims chakra, which causes the illusion. If the victim can't shut off his chakra, he has to hurt himself to get back to the real world. Jacce 06:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The only instance where Genjutsu was used to kill someone was in the filler episode arc where a clan woman had a kekkei genkai that boosted her genjutsu to a ridiculous extreme, allowing her to kill people with Genjutsu. Omnibender 12:25, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I wouldn't say the only time, honestly Genjutsu is a tool just like all other jutsu, it may not directly injure you, but it makes someone insanely vunerable. There have been plenty of points in the series where someone used Genjutsu to blind a person's senses and then attempted to attack them directly. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Jul 17, 2008 @ 17:11 (UTC)

Genjutsu
when trapping someone in a genjutsu, it makes the opponent experience non-real things but does that mean that the opponent is unconscious in reality? btw, if this is true, can the person who casted the genjutsu do whatever they may want to the unconscious person while they are unconscious? --75.3.231.166 (talk) 00:01, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Usually, the victim just freezes. With extremely powerful genjutsu, such as Tsukuyomi, the opponent can be sent into a coma.--Enoki911 (talk) 02:27, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Shadow Clone
Genjutsu has no effect on clones (or at least till after it is dispersed back to the user), should be mentioned. Simant (talk) 03:10, January 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Didn't Itachi give his power to a shadow clone (via genjutsu)? ~SnapperTo 03:23, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm referring to demonic illusion burning paper body versus Kakashi, and what Itachi said was the reason it would have no effect. What shadow clone did he give power to via genjutsu? Simant (talk) 03:26, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was referring to this since it wouldn't make sense for the actual Naruto to be out searching with his shadow clones. Looking at Kakashi v Itachi, I think Itachi is remarking that he didn't expect to catch the real Kakashi in a genjutsu and so concluded it was just a shadow clone. Whatever the case, the shadow clone does seem to be affected by the genjutsu (minus "OMG mind hax" exclamations), so I think I'm missing something. ~SnapperTo 03:42, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought that naruto's shadow clones found itachi and the real naruto went to investigate, i'll re-read. Simant (talk) 03:51, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the real naruto ran into Itachi, otherwise he wouldn't be having a flashback about what to do when facing the sharingan, he would charge in, not really caring if he was one of his clones. Also judging by how many clones he had nearby, he probably was using them as a screen. Simant (talk) 04:48, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Still, Kakashi's clone was affected by the genjutsu. So, clones can be affected.--Enoki911 (talk) 02:25, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, unless the scantalators royally botched the translation, Itachi does state the genjutu does not affect the shadow clone because it is a shadow clone. It's true that in a way, Kimmimoto does draw it as though Kakashi's clone has fallen prey to the Demonic Illusion: Burning Paper Body Technique, he also gives definitive evidence to the contrary. To begin with, one of the effects the Demonic Illusion: Burning Paper Body Technique has according to the databook it is featured in (that someone chose to delete from the Narutopedia page on the jutsu) is to cause the target to lose their dexterity (so they can't form seals or grip things like weapons very well). Kakashi is clearly indicated by Kimmimoto to still retain or possibly increase his grip on Itachi with the SFX "grab" on page 10 of chapter 260.

How it works.
I am still a tad confused on how it works, so I was hoping someone could clarify. It is like this though, right?
 * The victem is captured by one of their senses (something they have seen, heard, smelled, tasted, or touched) and then it spreads to the rest of their body to infect the rest of the senses. Since the mind "knows" what is happening to it even when the concious mind knows the truth (i.e. no in a wasteland with strings around arms and flesh melting off), it makes the body feel the pain the user is sending, and if it too much for the mind to handle (like with C) it just shuts down rather than face it. Perhaps the chakra in the mind is even the cause of the weariness (C still had trouble afterwards). Thomas Finlayson (talk) 05:59, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

The caster uses their chakra to attack one or more than one of the senses that you listed. It may not necessarily "spreads to the rest of their body to infect the rest of the senses" but causes one to malfunction creating a handicap that the opponent is not used to. The body reacts according to what it sees or it's senses are perceiving and acts accordingly so pain etc will be felt unless they can break out of it. And C body didn't shut down, i'm pretty sure Sasuke knocked him out with the genjutsu him being unable to move was an after effect of whatever genjutsu Sasuke placed on him --Cerez365 (talk) 13:25, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * When Shikamaru was fighting that Sound Four girl, the "sound" made him see something else and feel pain they do not expect. Other examples too. What I am getting at is how they feel pain and see/feel other stuff when an unrelated sense is being affected. How would an illusion just make C not move (not sense related) unless his brain just shut down to get away from it? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 00:31, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it is not only the things you pointed out. Genjutsu afflict a person's mind. The user uses their chakra and technique to control an aspect of the victim's, as Jiraiya explains to Naruto when telling him why he's not cut out for it (it requires an insane level of chakra control and intellegence). So while you said Shikamaru "heard" something, and that put him in the genjutsu, it is not only that. For instance, when Itachi uses genjutsu they victim does not always "see" anything (I would say they make eye contact, but Itachi used Ethereal(sp?) with just pointing a finger and created a visual illusion. So, I would imagine you do not need to necessarily see, smell, touch, taste, or hear something, but that those are all means to a similar end. I think you could also create the illusion that the person will see, smell, feel, taste, or hear. In other words, the techniques that create visual illusions are not triggered by the target seeing anything-- since people rely on sight as a primary sensory organ, this is the most featured type of genjutsu. Just as Tsukoyomi causes real pain to the victim, another technique could simple cause the target to feel pain that isn't there, with or without a visual illusion attached.
 * Speaking of Tsukoyomi, it seems that some genjutsu transcend human senses and actually alter time/reality (Tsukoyomi and Izanagi). So, again, it's a bit more complicated. 66.165.170.254 (talk) 18:52, July 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Genjutsu affects the brain through a sense. The brain allows the person to control the victims perception--Cerez365 (talk) 19:21, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * So it gets one sense and then gets the rest? As for Tsukoyomi, I understand that in certain situations time does slow down for people, so it may influence that but on a greater scale. But how did C collapse then? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 20:41, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why he passed out from the genjutsu, but again they affect the brain-- the technique could've forced his brain to "turn off" and he went to sleep. What about Kabuto's Temple of Nirvana... the same thing. It doesn't affect any one "sense" in particular, but it confuses the brain. 66.165.170.254 (talk) 14:03, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sort of what I mean. If your brain sees too much it is supposed to shut down. Or...what senses would make you 'feel' tired? For myself I wear glasses, and whenever they are dirty and blury I feel tired. Clean them off, and I feel much more awake. Something like that? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 22:22, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hand Seals..
Does genjutsu require hand seals? Or can the more experienced ninja just use it at will, without having to use them, like ninjutsu?
 * Yes, they use hand seals as well, since chakra is required to preform the illusion. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 19:59, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * It depends on the jutsu. Kurenai's tree binding death and Kakashi's Hell Viewing technique require hand seals, while auditory or dojutsu based genjutsu can do without, using the noise or eye-activation instead, but there's always something. ZeroSD (talk) 22:33, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Genjutsu and Yin Release
Madara stated that the Yin chakra could create shape and form out of imagination. Genjutsu creats illusions out of the imagination. Could the genjutsu users be stated to use Yin Release? Darksusanoo (talk) 23:46, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * This needs to be explained more before we label it yin release.--Deva 27 (talk) 23:51, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * It does, but that doesn't mean we can't speculate on it. I'll be surprised if Yin Release isn't the root of genjutsu, because between that and Yamato speaking of Yin and Yang when Naruto asked how genjutsu works, it's all but confirmed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:27, September 19, 2010 (UTC)