User talk:Seelentau

Translation
When you get a chance, could you translate a quote for me? Its Konan talking to Obito, but I can't remember if its one whole quote or two: but they're in the same chapter. Naruto chapter 509, where Konan calls Naruto the "light" and Obito "darkness". Could you get me the literal English as well as the romaji of both quotes? Take your time, its a personal request for something I'm working on, so no rush. Thanks :) ~ Ten Tailed Fox 04:14, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

Nawaki and Dan's deaths
Did they die just "in a war" or during 2nd Shinobi World War?--Elveonora (talk) 14:10, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

Request
Hi. Can you please help me with this topic? In fact, do you know what gender the two buried characters have? Thanks. Idontcareaboutmyname (talk) 17:59, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Just to kill time
I'm wondering what you think happened to Senju Clan. As seen, during the peace treaty there was plenty of them. Also do you think "Tobi" was in fact Obito just going crazy or Spiral Zetsu speaking on him/transformed?--Elveonora (talk) 20:56, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

tracks' name translation
Youtube and such list Naruto Shippuuden OST2's "Unkempt Hair (乱髪, Ranpatsu)" as "Midaregami" and "Red Rose (紅薔薇, Benibara)" as "Beni Soubi" instead. Which are correct, I presume ours? Thanks--Elveonora (talk) 21:24, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

Bump--Elveonora (talk) 13:40, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Thought so, thanks a lot.--Elveonora (talk) 22:55, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter 666
Hi senpai, seems you found the raw version of this chapter. But what about this page? Can you summarize it what's written here? And I think it confirmed that the Spiral Zetsu's name is already Guruguru. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 13:53, February 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * We're looking forward.. And have a safe drive and be at home peacefully — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 14:17, February 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Mr. Seelentau, I was wondering if you have any more information regarding that page? It looks pretty cool and informative, and I was wondering if you wouldn't mind sharing what else it says? -KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 04:03, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem senpai. Take your time and don't rush it and make it easy. You're the best here. ^_^ — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 22:36, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are one of the most valuable assets to the wiki! Thanks for all you do for us!--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 22:38, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter 667
Seems Kishi put another special page this week. It's about Madara and Izuna. So, don't rush this time as well, senpai. ^_^ — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 13:24, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Just to know, It's been noticed that Kishi begin to release those special pages on every week starting from the last week just like One Piece special pages. He calls it. So we're expecting for him to release this notebook pages every week, hopefully... — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 15:03, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, not too sure you haven't already but when you get the time, could you translate what Kabuto said about healing Sasuke and Tobirama's (assumed) involvement.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 13:31, March 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for your outstanding work and no problem at all, senpai. Just translate the most important things when any other pages will be released in the future. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 15:32, March 11, 2014 (UTC)

Names
Thanks for the quick response! Sadly it didn't help me with the names I'm looking at. I'll try and give you the names here (the are on the wiki, but then you won't have to look for it).

(Ame - アメ, Ame). (Dango - ダンゴ, Dango). (Choco - チョゴ, Chogo) -- One of these is a girl (Ayato - アヤト, Ayato). (Hajiki - ハジキ, Hajiki). (Mari - マリ, Mari) -- One of these is a girl (Kiri - キリ, Kiri). (Sō - ソウ, Sō). (Shimo - シモ, Shimo) -- One of these is a girl --Kasan94 (talk) 14:59, March 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! --Kasan94 (talk) 21:23, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Translation request
Hi senpai, I want to you to translate this line for me:

カカシに助けられダンゾウ裏切るが命を狙われることに

It's about a short summary of March 20's anime episode posted in 2ch anime threads. Also it claims that the fillers will continue on April. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 04:38, March 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, somehow I got it... Thanks so much senpai. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 12:24, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

Another request please
Senpai, could you check my talkpage again? And also, I wonder about the credits list in the latest episode. If possible, could you check it for me especially that Root's member?? Thanks so much... — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 21:47, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

'''Due to personal problems I won't be that active in the upcoming weeks. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.'''

I'm not blind
I'm well aware that real life occupies you otherwise at the present (when doesn't it tho? xD perhaps when we are asleep) but once you find some time and interest (be it a week from now or two, I'm not hurrying you nor am I in a hurry) then I would like to know your opinion on how the special Jugo Clan bodies actually work. The bodily fluids are responsible for Senninka, but is it the fluids/enzyme themselves what actually make the bodies absorb natural energy? Because originally, I had them separated but Omni merged the two. I assume it's a separate thing from the fluids within the special bodies what absorbs natural energy.--Elveonora (talk) 19:24, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

"since the PC is my top priority" you should be ashamed... like seriously. Well, who am i kidding myself? ;D But quite often I would best just smash my laptop and throw it outta window. The constant latency issues and disconnects are just unbearable. Like this man doesn't get angered easily, but enough is enough. And wow, good luck with relocation. For special bodies, yeah, I wanted to know tho if you think the fluids which allow transformation do also absorb natural energy or not. Because if the latter, we might have two kekkei genkai going on. Do you see them as separate or one thing?--Elveonora (talk) 23:22, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

A little help my man. You might have noticed my topic at Kabuto's talkpage. The dialogue and context clearly state twice in the chapter/episode that Kabuto's form is a result of Senninka. This is further evidenced by Kabuto's appearance now while healing Sasuke, as he is in Sage Mode/Senninka, he regained not just the horns but everything. Currently it's assumed Kabuto's snake appearance by the time of the war is a result of Orochimaru's cells, which is contradicted. How to make sense of it?--Elveonora (talk) 14:30, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by that. Do you disagree with me or the article as is? Also not sure what you are referring to with that. If to this, then I don't disagree more or less with that explanation of yours. I'm not arguing semantics anymore. What I'm talking about is that according to that chapter, Kabuto's snake form is due to Senninka/Sage Mode rather than Orochimaru's cells as the article currently claims.--Elveonora (talk) 22:09, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Only under the (in my opinion quite clearly false) impression that this form is a later stage of this ignoring the fact that his arm and face do not even look the same between the two, not to mention what he said. He stated that if it were to take over completely, he would die and he is obviously alive. As you could see in the chapter, when Suigetsu asked what's with Kabuto and Jugo's bodies, he started talking about Senninka. Later in the same chapter Orochimaru undoing Senninka removed Kabuto's snake features. Are we finally on the same page? ^_--Elveonora (talk) 22:22, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm not Kishimoto, just pointing out what was stated and shown in the chapter. But Oro-takeover obviously didn't happen, that's as clear as day, because he would have died had it happened and wouldn't be Kabuto but Orochimaru 2. Just because he appeared during the war with a similar form, it was simply assumed by the fanbase that it did happen and he ended up like that as a result. And that's the thing, he isn't always looking like that. After Orochimaru undid Senninka, Kabuto turned normal. He is now healing Sasuke in Senninka/Sage Mode hence he has snake features again ^_ In short, Kabuto using Senjutsu = snake features, Kabuto not using Senjutsu = no snake features--Elveonora (talk) 22:52, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Maito Dai
Senpai, sorry for the disturbance. But is it better to wait for Viz's release of this chapter on Monday to see how they will romanize his name? — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 20:32, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * You're right. Because Might Guy's name came from Viz's guidebooks as stated from his trivia section. So, at least we'll wait to Monday to see how Viz will romanize his name. I asked OmegaRasengan for this favor and let's see... — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 21:12, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Wakatteru, so we won't be redirecting his name to any other name till the new databook's release. Thanks for your response, senpai... — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 21:21, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Bot work
Sure. But there are probably more things that need editing like for example pages like Baku (ANBU), Bird-Masked ANBU Member, etc.. Also the word needs to be changed in the infobox.~Ultimate Supreme  15:56, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

I'm on it.--~Ultimate Supreme  15:05, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Today's episode
It's more than awesome, I really loved every scene of it... But I'm just wondering about Tenzō's jūin is still active during all that time. I don't recall that Yamato in the recent days talks so much about the Root, so this episode could cover that part I think, couldn't it? — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 12:17, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, me as well. It's getting better and better... — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 12:24, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

That definitely wasn't Shisui's Sharingan I suppose. Then why was it loosing sight? Also not sure how to feel about this episode. Yamato is/was quite feminine I would say, like come on... what happened to the whole "Roots have no emotions" ??? He definitely sucked as one. I still don't consider it canon, it requires a leap of faith and I'm an atheist. I mean, I could definitely see Yamato having been a Root as canon in Kishi's head, I just don't like the stuff surrounding it made by Pierrot like his interactions with Kakashi, smoke people, experiment reject substory that makes it even more confusing (so is he Tenzo? ._.) and so on --Elveonora (talk) 12:29, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * He isn't Tenzō and he has emotions because he wasn't adopted as a baby, but as a child and learned to have emotions while sitting in Orochimaru's tank. The stuff surrounding Yamato's background isn't that relevant, hm? I mean, who cares if he at some point met some smoke people, that ain't gonna change anything about his timeline. And since the whole stuff fits, I'll incorporate it. ^_^ Seelentau 愛議 12:34, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Fukai?
In the episode with Fukai, did it say that Fukai's Father, Uncle and predecesors were jinchuriki or did it only mention his uncle and father. The answer is needed for a small debate Thank You. Munchvtec (talk) 15:47, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Here is the line, senpai... — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 15:50, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

Okay Thank You. Munchvtec (talk) 15:50, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

Unnecessary Snapping
My apologizes for snapping at you (I think it was mostly you) this weekend. Weird week.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 12:43, March 24, 2014 (UTC)

just thought it might be thought worthy
I believe that Kishi has made So6p's brother to explain Ginkaku and Kinkaku. They were suspected to be of direct descent from So6p, but for that, they would either have to be Senju, Uzumaki or Uchiha, none of which they appeared to be. Meaning the brother was made to serve as ancestry for the two.--Elveonora (talk) 11:49, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

Indras Dōjutsu.svg
You refers to "put together" both Dojutsu (background of the Mangekyo Sharingan and form of the Indra's Dojutsu)?

Sasukeuzumaki (Mi discusión) 13:32, March 27, 2014 (UTC)


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 * What is the link of your wiki? --Sasukeuzumaki (Mi discusión) 14:29, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

why is it
That as of lately, the chapters have a page state "chapter end" only for there to be one extra page after that?--Elveonora (talk) 13:21, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke's Tsukuyomi
Oh no, so you too? ... T_T why "nah" ?--Elveonora (talk) 12:16, April 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * Plenty of things have been deducted through context.
 * Plenty of things weren't spoken, only shown. According to this logic, we should dismiss a character's usage of a technique if he/she doesn't spell out its name before casting it. So a Rasengan used without Naruto yelling "Rasengan!!!" first doesn't count as one, I get it? We are safe when it comes to him tho, he is dumb enough to do it each time.
 * So suddenly a passage from a databook is old, yet it isn't old when it comes to the whole Kakashi-Obito timeline, gud.
 * Not sure if I get this.
 * Good question, but since Sasuke managed to break Itachi out of it with just Genjutsu: Sharingan (meaning it was possible and enough), that means Itachi wasted a Tsukuyomi for nothing. We can try to assume an unspoken context to it, like it having been Kishi's way of telling us that Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi, but it would be an assumption.
 * Gyuki broke him out of it?--Elveonora (talk) 15:42, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

As much as I don't want to have this discussion again, I kindly ask that this matter be brought to the article's talk page. Having the matter discussed in specific user talk pages where few others would check is essentially robbing others the chance to participate. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:08, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Mythology
The Asura are originally from Hinduism, as are several other elements of Buddhist cosmology (Buddhism originated in India). The concept of Chakra also comes from Hinduism. The various Japanese spellings all essentially refer to the same thing: アスラ (Asura) is a direct transliteration of the actual Sanskrit word, while 阿修羅 (Ashura, Asura) and 修羅 (Shura) are derived from Chinese translations of the Sanskrit, which would have migrated from China to Japan through Buddhism. The same is true for Indra, インドラ (Indora) is a transliteration of the Sanskrit while 因陀羅 (Indora, Indara) is a translation of the Chinese (Indra is known as Śakra in Buddhism). In both cases, Kishimoto probably took the most common readings (Ashura and Indora).

As for why he used "Asura and Indra," which aren't particularily dichotomous (Asura referring to a mythological species while Indra refers to a specific deity), as opposed to say "Asura and Deva" or "Agni and Indra", it's hard to say. Part of it is probably that the Asura and Deva have distinct personalities (Asura = passionate / Deva = emotionless), while Indra has certain imagery that can be connected to Sasuke and Susano'o (wielding a lightning bolt, a god of storms and war). The two names also have three syllables and end with ra, making them sound related. At least, that's my assumption. FF-Suzaku (talk) 09:06, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Borrowing topic. Not sure if it's of any worth, but the Hyuga name has to do with Sun, while Kaguya the first known Byakugan user was related to the Moon. Something to make of it?--Elveonora (talk) 13:19, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Parentage
Unless what I'm reading is, it says that Asura and Indra's mother is Kaguya Ootsutsuki. Which would mean, that their grandmother is also their mother. I just...I just really need to be sure if that is correct.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 14:11, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Gods obviously love incest. Also in case of nobles, it's done to maintain "pure blood" so that could have been the case as well--Elveonora (talk) 20:11, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Icon
The new icon doesn't appears because it's necessary refresh the browser, as Ctrl+F5.

Also, the icon can be late, but it appears correctly early.

Sasukeuzumaki (Mi discusión) 19:52, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

671 raw
Is it already out? MP and MS translations differ considerably, I'm not sure which of them has added words and meaning that don't belong there, so could you then please translate the relevant passages? Thanks. Especially I'm curious about the incest. If Kaguya is mother of Ashura and Indra, then wouldn't that make Hagoromo's sons his half-brothers as well? 0_o--Elveonora (talk) 11:36, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Everything doesn't fit, but ok ^_ But yes, they are more accurate than usual.--Elveonora (talk) 12:01, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Contradicts manga? ^_ The whole Obito-Kakashi thing. I'm telling you the manga is more accurate than the old databooks and Pierrot based it on the old information. But whatever, let us enjoy the stuff flawed or not, everything will come to light, eventually.--Elveonora (talk) 12:16, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Wouldn't the manga be corrected in re-releases if it had such big errors in it? And even if they talk to Kishi, you imply that we should trust the man who contradicts himself.--Elveonora (talk) 12:30, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

If the author says so, it's canon, as weird as it may be. We should document it and once and IF it changes in a re-release, it shall be updated--Elveonora (talk) 17:09, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Jut wondering, do the latest chapters actually state that Naruto and Sasuke are literal reincarnations or not? Because panda uses transmigrants or something like that--Elveonora (talk) 18:22, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you a lot. But they are unlikely to be Ashura and Indra in person, right? The dialogue says only their chakras continue to get passed down. Because I can't see how could there be Madara&Sasuke and Hashirama&Naruto all at once--Elveonora (talk) 21:02, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you pal. I won't bother you any longer for today ^_ --Elveonora (talk) 21:28, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Hey, could you translate what the Sage says when Naruto and Sasuke gives him their hands: does he ask for their dominant hand or just a hand? --Cerez 365 ™(talk) 11:05, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

infinite tsukuyomi portrayal
What I in fact was referring to how in the movie, Naruto and Sakura literary got transported over to another dimension, rather than just being asleep, that's contradictory.--Elveonora (talk) 12:44, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Do you recall the movie at all? If not then I suggest you to rewatch it.--Elveonora (talk) 13:11, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

The movie version trapped Naruto and Sakura there physically to another dimension, also made it possible for AU Sakura to enter real world. While the manga adaptation simply puts people's minds into said space.--Elveonora (talk) 14:25, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Kishimoto wrote the movie. Yet the technique presented in it differs from what's been stated and shown in manga. That I suppose makes the former non-canon?--Elveonora (talk) 14:31, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Not the events in the movie themselves, but things like techniques and so on, since it was made by Kishi.--Elveonora (talk) 22:32, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for eavesdropping, but I don't think there's any indication that Naruto and Sakura got physically transported. It was all an illusion -- they likely remained stationary while the events occured (in fact, I believe only a short while actually passes while they're trapped in it). The Sakura that was displaced from the Genjutsu World was likewise an illusion; she ultimately faded from existence (and given that the episode was created to promote the movie, is probably even less canon than the movie itself). Besides, the technique Obito used in the film was the Limited Tsukuyomi, not the Infinite Tsukuyomi. FF-Suzaku (talk) 09:39, April 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Then I suggest you to rewatch it again. After Naruto and Sakura left the alternate world, Naruto still had the Yondaime cloak on which just disappeared into nothing like 5 seconds later and both of them noticed it. There's plenty of evidence they were actually there. They weren't just seeing things, since when do two people experience the same hallucination at once? Also if the world weren't real, then the whole plot of the movie would have been pointless. And Limited Tsukuyomi was stated to be a trial version of Infinite Tsukuyomi, same technique, just incomplete.--Elveonora (talk) 10:38, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Sand Siblings ougi
In the latest UNSR trailer, you can hear the name of their combo ultimate. From the sound alone, I think it's 灼熱砂縛柩/"Shakunetsu Sabaku Kyū". Is it incorrect for me to translate the shakunetsu part as "scorching hot" instead of "scorching heat"? In this case, in English at least, it seems more appropriate. I know tangorin also translates it as "red hot", which sort of gives leeway to translate 熱 as hot, but that is already the more literal translation of 赤熱/sekinetsu. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:16, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why the em dash instead of the interpunct though? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:35, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok then. In other UNSR news, the official site has been updated. There's not much, but there is one page with info. Anything interesting there worth noting? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:11, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

haha xD
It seems Shaduw and Shadow use this website for dating purposes... and then Spey wonders why some are against further socializing, we don't need this.--Elveonora (talk) 14:14, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

Kaguya = an extraterrestrial ? ._.
Does the dialogue suggests so when Naruto asks about this?--Elveonora (talk) 16:11, April 8, 2014 (UTC)

night moth
Why exactly did some translate it like that?--Elveonora (talk) 10:09, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

According to google translate (lol) ガ stands for moth (Ga) so perhaps there's some double meaning to it?--Elveonora (talk) 10:25, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Even tho I'm sure your translation is correct and it's meant to be Night Guy, contextually, night and moth together do make more sense, since moths are nocturnal I believe? Also moths are perceived as symbols of death and the technique requires Gate of Death.--Elveonora (talk) 10:31, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Senju clan of the forest
Is there a passage anywhere in those chapters where Obito told Sasuke the story about Konoha's founding, or in the third databook, perhaps in a character entry, that specifically says that the reason the Senju were called "of the forest" was due to Hashirama's Wood Release? I do recall some databook entry saying that their name being "Senju" was due to them having great skill in all areas of jutsu instead of focusing on just one. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:04, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * About Wood Release/of the forest or Senju/due to mastery in many skill areas? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:05, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Which one is the first you heard now? The "of the forest" being attributed to Hashirama's Wood Release, or the name Senju being a reference of skills in all areas of jutsu? I'm more certain of the Senju one, which appeared either in the third databook or in a later artbook. I recall reading that in a scanlation. The "of the forest" is the one I need a bit more info on. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:23, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

Character number source
Could you check if I translated this properly? Many thanks. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:00, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

About Enton
While the discussion about Kagutsuchi kind of overwhelmed the point of the topic, it seemed that we were generally in agreement about how the black flames should be defined. I think we should continue to push that, and take the Kagutsuchi stuff to its own topic... Hopefully folks will start answering my questions then. :p Thought I should ask you since you're the one who first brought it up. I still agree that Enton's definition here should be changed. —「SaiST」Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 14:57, April 11, 2014 (UTC)

673
Either Kishimoto is going for maximum crazy, or someone went through a lot of trouble to make a fake spoiler for 673. It looks like the first three pages are out, per that thing that Jump has been doing for a couple weeks now. And they look insane. Are they good quality enough to translate? Anything other than the obvious stuff? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:23, April 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * They're real. Bleach's came out too. Looks like Naruto really is a pseudo-jinchūriki if that's what I think it is. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 01:34, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought that too. Keeping all that out of the articles until the entire chapter comes out might be problematic. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:38, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * We might want to put up a message sitewide, or something. That technique kanji is for sure, but I don't know if we want to hold off on adding that content until the entire chapter comes out. Like you said, it's going to be hard. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 01:49, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

Yay, Lava Shuriken !!! Epicz--Elveonora (talk) 14:30, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Saw them, Foxy-sama. It's . I predict that Naruto will use all sorts of the bijū skills techniques like Matatabi's fire release and Isobu's water release and so on. Can't wait :) — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 14:37, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * ... Sand control too? ._.--Elveonora (talk) 14:45, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

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Not sure what exactly Madara's talking about on the second page... Seelentau 愛議 15:21, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * So Naruto uses a KKG now, rait?--Elveonora (talk) 15:23, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Per definition, yes. Seelentau 愛議 15:27, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * This scenario gives me quite a headache. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:33, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * How come? Seelentau 愛議 16:13, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * I saw the raws. Does this mean that Naruto now can use a kekkei tōta (wind+fire+earth nature) or it's just a Lava Release Rasenshuriken?--JOA20 (talk) 16:18, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * No. That literally translated to "Sage Art: Lava Release Rasenshuriken". Why would he have a kekkei tōta? Also @Seel, I think he's referring to the fact that this chapter will pretty much confirm Naruto as a pseudo-jinchūriki of eight of the nine tailed beasts as well as Naruto demonstrating a kekkei genkai. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 16:22, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's Fūton involved here. It's the same as a Wind Release Rasenshuriken, just with Lava Release. By the way, he's using the fire-radical kanji here. Seelentau 愛議 16:26, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Then what about the shuriken-like protusions? Anyway, you're right, Naruto only talks about Lava Release here.--JOA20 (talk) 16:28, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * What about them? They're made of lava, too. I also think that it's justified to write down the information given by these spoilers, since technically, even if we'd only add them after the whole chapter is available, it would still be earlier than the official release of the chapter. Furthermore, these information come from an official source, so it's legit to add them in my opinion. Seelentau 愛議 16:35, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

I don't really think the pseudo is the issue here, on the contrary, I think that this chapter really cements that quite unambiguously. I still disagree with Son's Lava Release being considered kkg, and by extension Roshi and now Naruto's though. Kkg stems from genetics, which I still don't think it's the case for Son. I know we already have Shinju with Sharingan, which makes it even worse for me, because in one case, it feels right to me, and the other it feels wrong. I still hope that if another databook is published, Son's Lava Release techniques are not considered kkg. Regarding the new Rasenshuriken, I think it does contain Wind Release. The blades cut through the stone, that feels like wind chakra to me. I'd list the technique as Wind Release and Lava Release. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:39, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. Naruto asked Son for Chakra, not for a KKG. I don't think his LR is KKG, too. So to sum this up, Naruto has no LR KKG, no FR/ER natures and his new Rasen Shuriken is LR and we write in the trivia that it's unclear if he's still using WR, too. Seelentau 愛議 16:44, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * If we're going to officially add this content, I suggest we create the page first, then take the discussion of the technique's elements there.--NaviiGator (A.K.A.KotoSenju) Talk Page-My Contributions 16:45, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Does anyone mind me creating the page now?--JOA20 (talk) 16:51, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Or, better yet, create a thread about it before making a page ;)
 * @JOA: Pages shouldn't be created from a closed discussion on a user's talkpage... :/ --Speysider Talk Page 16:52, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Not sure if sarcasm or change of mind Seel. You're the one who made the topic proposing that we list Son's LR as kkg for it, that also got Roshi listed as having LR as a kkg. As far as I'm concerned, no Son-based LR would be listed as kkg, they'd stay as tailed beast skill only. They'd still have to have ER and FR added though. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:06, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * I did? Oh well, change of mind, I guess, since the German wiki (=me) doesn't list them as KKG, either. But I wouldn't add ER/FR to Roshi's and Naruto's article, since they (or at least Naruto) got pre-mixed lava chakra, he didn't need to apply Seishitsuhenka. Seelentau 愛議 17:09, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

How else would they have LR? Advanced natures don't exist on their own. Should Danzō have ER and WR removed because he gets Wood Release from the arm already? Besides, we've Son breathing just fire. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:17, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * If we decide to add the technique, I'm going to update Naruto's page to reflect his status as a pseudo. We were iffy before, but this puts it beyond a shadow of a doubt. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 17:18, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * No, they don't. But as I said, Naruto asks Son for some chakra, not the ability to create fire and earth chakra. Son kneaded his chakra and gave it the lava nature, then Naruto used it in his technique. Seelentau 愛議 17:22, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * In Conclusion.
 * 1) Naruto is a Pesudo-Jinchuriki of the One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, and Eight-Tails, and the jinchuriki of the Nine-Tails.
 * 2) Son Goku's Lava Release is not a kekkei genkai for it's jinchuriki (No real opinion on this one)
 * 3) Lava Release: Rasenshuriken is a thing.
 * 4) Madara is boned.
 * Sound good?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 17:20, April 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sounds fantastic. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 17:21, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

Are we really sure Naruto is a pseudo-jinchuriki though? Minato and Kushina appeared in his mind when he had their chakra, the tailed beasts are just doing the same thing now, aren't they? He didn't acquire the chakra through special means like the Kin-Gin Brothers, just through a regular chakra transfer, and there's nothing saying his tailed beast chakra can't run out (as in, his body isn't known to be producing more of it). If he's a pseudo-jinchuriki, then wouldn't the entire alliance all be Kurama's pseudo-jinchuriki?--BeyondRed (talk) 17:41, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * There's a difference in having a beast's chakra and having its consciousness. Seelentau 愛議 17:43, April 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, he's talking to them and they're responding by giving him their chakra. That's way different than just having their chakra inside of him. Even Kinkaku and Ginkaku couldn't do that. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 17:44, April 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * My point was that Minato and Kushina also appeared in his mind and that Kushina also used her techniques within it. This is really no different, but he isn't considered a pseudo-jinchuriki of his parents (whatever that would even mean). He does technically fit the requirements for pseudo though. Sora in the anime seems to have had a finite amount of Nine-Tails chakra, and we weren't explicitly told Kinkaku and Ginkaku's bodies were capable of producing more Nine-Tails chakra without eating more chakra meat (as likely as it seems).--BeyondRed (talk) 17:48, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course he's not a Jinchuriki of his parents. Was the term "pesudo-jinchuriki" ever defined by the manga or is it a term you guys came up with? Seelentau 愛議 17:51, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

This discussion should really be happening on the forum thread, it's becoming hard to follow this here on the talkpage ;) --Speysider Talk Page 17:55, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

topic I'd really like your opinion on
Regarding what's up with Tailed Beast Rasengan. An actual technique or just an impossible concept?--Elveonora (talk) 19:23, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

But then it isn't Rasengan but a Tailed Beast Ball--Elveonora (talk) 20:03, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

Please, be that kind and explain to Foxie the difference. His ears are obviously deaf, perhaps he should learn to read from lips. I hope you actually understand me.--Elveonora (talk) 21:50, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * I was talking about the topic of listing Naruto as Yoton user--Elveonora (talk) 22:32, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

That's the sad part, we are tearing each other apart instead of cooperating. But trust me, I want to, but that's hard with certain arrogant and ignorant individuals. Perhaps I'm one too :P Oh well ._.--Elveonora (talk) 22:51, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

I may or may not agree (not that my opinion is even relevant around here) but I'm still curious how you are gonna handle that over at German wiki and your reasoning behind it.--Elveonora (talk) 23:00, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

That's my man, finally someone who gets that Naruto doesn't have Katon and Doton natures and ability to merge them. Now only they have to get this. Listing him as a user is a fallacy of the highest caliber--Elveonora (talk) 23:21, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

chakra receivers same as truth balls?
If you think about it, Madara made them from his will (yin) and Hashirama Plant Clone's body (Yang), not to mention Hashirama was also a Sage.--Elveonora (talk) 15:29, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * And the fact they seem to negate chakra and ninjutsu. --Taynio (talk) 15:31, April 16, 2014 (UTC)