Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170909171417/@comment-5085906-20170913184930

Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: omfg, I just wrote the biggest fucking comment, but it got fucking deleted. look, ok, obito had healing, genjutsu, and zetsus on his side, so don't hype his weak, sad ass just cuz he killed 40 anbu, one at a time, WITH SURPRISE. how stupid are u? how is this not obvious? how bias can u get? my vote goes to hiruzen, since minato cant do shit to him. Dude, if anyone's being biased here, it's you. Healing and genjutsu were part of him at that point in time and REMAINED part of him throughout the series. That's like saying EMS Madara's a weak, sad ass because he borrowed his brother's eyes. And yes, spiral Zetsu was attached to him at that point and enabled him to use Mokuton, but even he was surprised that Obito was able to use WR techniques which means you need skill to use those techs even with Hashi's cells. Plus, that was not like Yamato's case where spiral Zetsu took full control of Yamato - Obito was still fully in charge of his body. Also, the boy used Kamui masterfully literally SECONDS after awakening his MS, something which took a much longer time for Kakashi.

And seriously - one by one? Have you even watched the fight? He took on three ANBU at the same time and made them stab each other while also running past a dozen of them just to get to Rin. Let me repeat myself - he was in a fit of rage after just seeing his best friend murder the love of his life, and he still remained composed enough to make split-second decisions. Now tell me, what part of that is a weak sad-ass? Sure, you could argue that his augmentations made him stronger than he should have been, but the reality is he fought Minato with those while simultaneously putting his wife and child in danger and unleashing a TB in the village - not to mention how he was at least knowledgeable on a little bit of how Minato's signature jutsu worked - and he LOST. And he had fully adopted his Madara identity at this point in time seeing as he was fairly composed and more analytical this time around compared to his post-Rin's death bloodlust.

Seriously Lorenzo, you've made some reasonable arguments in the past but there's nothing of what you said up until this point that doesn't scream anti-Minato bias to me.