Talk:Tobi

fourth technique?
is madara's fourth technique the one which kakashi used when he fought diedara?if not then which technique is it?
 * Still unknown. Jacce 06:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

No, it cant be kakashi's jutsu because in order to master the fourth and final technique the user has to obtain the "eternal" mangekyo sharingan by transplant.In naruto manga 386 itachi told sasuke "the transplant also gave birth to a completely new eye technique" which is the fourth eye technique. I have a theory, i think maybe madara's fourth eye technique is to summon a oni.Oni are creatures from Japanese folklore, translated as demons, trolls or ogres.They are often depicted carrying iron clubs called kanabo.Japanese give it the expression "oni with an iron club" that is, to be invincible or undefeatable.It can also be used in the sense of "strong beyond strong" or having one's natural quality enhanced by the use of some tool.Itachi refers to madara as invincible, madara's powers are also enhanced by a tool (sharingan).Is these similaryties that made me think his fourth eye technique could be summoning a oni.--HUNTER* (talk) 00:55, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It is also possible that his teleport/invulnerable technique is the fourth technique, however we can't write anything untill someone says what the fourth is. Jacce | Talk 05:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Fourth technique? Itachi was talking about the birth of the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan. That's the new dōjutsu the transplant gave birth to. --ShounenSuki (talk 07:13, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Your right, but the transplant also gave birth to the fourth and most powerful sharingan technique read manga386 page9.More powerful then tsukoyumi, amaterasu and susanoo, itachi said its the ultimate jutsu the most powerful jutsu in naruto anime.Probably the most powerful fighting technique in the whole anime world.Its obviously not kakashi's jutsu i dont think its the space/time ninjutsu neither.90.197.107.34 (talk) 15:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


 * No, that's what I was talking about. The "completely new eye technique" Itachi was talking about there is the eternal Mangekyō Sharingan. It isn't a technique like Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu, just an upgraded and more powerful version of the Mangekō Sharingan. It's just awkwardly translated in that scanlation. --ShounenSuki (talk 15:18, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

O MY GOD! I cant believe I didn't think of this!!! Maybe Madara saw Mininto use his teleportation jutsu with his mongekyo and the powers of the mongekyo no only let him copy it but he even improved it!!!!!!!Vegerot (talk) 22:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 * Mangekyo Sharingan hasen't shown any copying abilities, and it would still not be abel to copy the kunai seals. Jacce | Talk 06:11, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

The sharingan did show copying abilities.In part one sasuke copied rock lees speed and the shadow of the dancing leaf technique with his sharingan, kakashi copied zabuzas Water Dragon Bullet jutsu.The sharingan gives the user the ability to see his surroundings in slow motion and to perfectly predict the opponents movements.Because of these two factors the sharingan if the user is capable can copy(learn) his opponents jutsus.90.197.107.214 (talk) 14:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The MANGEKYO sharingan hasn't shown any copying abilities...and untill any info is revealed on the 4th technique, we're not gonna known wat it is....AlienGamer | Talk 14:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Whatever the Sharingan can do the Mangekyo can do but better. And I said before he doesn't need to copy the seals read my last post the mangekyo improved it so he doesn't need to use kunai! Vegerot (talk) 14:51, 17 May 2009 (UTC) !


 * Again, it hasn't shown any COPYING abilities, the mangekyo sharingan has given more powerfull techniques to the user, but it hasn't been shown to be able to copy..AlienGamer | Talk 15:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

But it is true that it can copy AT LEAST as good as the normal Sharingan! Vegerot (talk) 15:18, 17 May 2009 (UTC) !


 * Still Unknown.....The Mangekyo has so far proven to be completely different frm the sharingan...and evn if it cud copy as well as the sharingan, he still couldn't copy the 4th's technique, as said before...Fling Thunder god is a technique that cant be followed or copied by the sharingan....Regardless I see this topic as pretty pointless, as since its not been revealed as to wat the 4th technique is, all we can do is guess...which in turn means speculating...AlienGamer | Talk 15:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

And besides, the talk about a fourth jutsu was a mistranslation. Itachi was talking about Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan. Jacce | Talk 15:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Mangekyo sharingan can copy jutsus.Did you people forget that characters with the mangekyo sharingan also have the normal sharingan?Every mangekyo user also has the normal sharingan. Its proved in the anime that the normal sharingan can copy jutsus, its common sense to think that the mangekyo sharingan could do the same but even better since its a upgraded version.So if madaras mangekyo couldnt copy jutsus he could use his normal sharingan to copy jutsus.And i dont think that madaras fourth technique is a mistranslation, narutopedia itself states that madara knows the sharingans fourth most powerful jutsu.HUNTER* (talk) 15:23, 18 May 2009 (UTC).
 * Still, there is no proof that MS or EMS can copy things. Jacce | Talk 15:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The Sharingan can copy things, so what? That's what we have the Sharingan for, Mangekyo Sharningan is part of sharingan. Just cause Sharningan can copy doesn't make copying magically something specific to Mangekyo, it's just because it's a form of Sharingan.
 * There is no evidence or statement given to say that MS or EMS makes the ability to copy any stronger. In fact I see little reason why this would be possible, the Sharingan is about as powerful as it comes for copying already. You can copy anything as long as it doesn't have any prerequisites like bloodline or element which you don't have. Any difference in strength is a difference in the user's skill.
 * ShounenSuki — the only person here who can actually read Japanese properly — has already said that the translation was screwed up by the scanalators.
 * This is a pointless discussion about pointless speculation, it ends here. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) May 19, 2009 @ 07:27 (UTC)

Not to bring up an old argument but I'm curious to know why "Sharingan" itself is not under Madara's list of jutsu. While we don't know if he still has EMS or MS for that matter, we have seen him with at least the basic sharingan on many occasions. So why isn't that under his list of jutsu? ItachiZero (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2009 (UTC)ItachiZero
 * Kekkei Genkai are not listed in the infobox's jutsu list. --ShounenSuki (talk 00:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Time/space manupilation
Just wondering. Madara can teleport his body parts,right? How comes Madara doesnt die or get hurt when teleporting his body parts. For example,in chapter 380 page15 you can see Narutos rasengan go through Tobis body. Which means he can remove whatever part is about to get hit by a attack,in this case he removed(teleported) his midsection. But how can he do that without dying? By teleporting his midsection he detached his main organs(heart,lungs etc.) from his body which should cause instant death. 90.197.107.170 (talk) 18:08, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

wtf
the spoilers at the top of the page failed. I still saw the image of him front and centre. Way to spoil this for me douchebags.


 * Maybe you shouldn't be using a wiki if you don't want to be spoiled? ~SnapperTo 18:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I think we should take it off because if u think about it all of the pages are spoilers!Vegerot (talk) 20:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)!!!!!

We're a comprehensive resource on the entire series. If you don't want to know about things revealed later on in the series don't read the wiki. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) May 27, 2009 @ 21:33 (UTC)

face
we should add the pic where madara's face is partially shown!

occupation
shouldn't he be put down as the akatsuki leader now?

hachibi's power ??
why madara want to give hachibi's power to naruto??--125.162.56.191 (talk) 05:16, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

he was going to give it to sasuke 24.189.153.102 (talk) 21:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Madara's Mizukage name
In volume 44, Kisame calls Madara "Lord Mizukage Emeritus". Should we have that in Mizukage or Madara's article? Annaatar (talk) 04:44, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Emeritus means former --FifthMizukage (talk) 04:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

UCHIHA..?
Madara is an Uchiha, right? Then why Sasuke and him aren't connected/relatives..? Is he an outsider in the clan or what?--112.201.215.144 (talk) 08:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)-sasunaruitakashika
 * We list relatives with clear or close relation to a user. We don't know how Madara and Sasuke is family. Jacce | Talk 08:35, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

So is there a possibility that Sasuke and him can be relatives?I mean if they're not, then that means Uchiha clan aren't a family but just an ordinary place/oraganization...etc. It really does bothers my mind because I'm totally focusing on the Uchiha clan...Sorry for being such an interrogative person, I just can't help but ask...Thank you for answering the first question by the way...--122.3.111.206 (talk) 14:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)-sasunaruitakashika
 * I dont think its just a possibility, They r related, like the Hyuga, or the Abarame's...but u'r not goona list all their relatives, just the close one's..AlienGamer | Talk 14:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, that depends on what you consider to be related. From a real-life point-of-view, it's very well possible that Madara has a closer family relationship with Ino or Kankurō, than with Sasuke. --ShounenSuki (talk 14:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * They r atleast blood relatives, as the sharingan is a unique blood line rite?? AlienGamer | Talk 14:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * They are descended from a common ancestor. That is all we know and technically true for every human being on this planet. No matter what, their family ties are too vague to be included in their info boxes. --ShounenSuki (talk 15:33, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes i know...u cant mention evry single Uchiha in the infobox under family, just the close ones, but I dont think there's any doubt that they r blood relatives....AlienGamer | Talk 16:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks..Now I understand..This site never failed in answering forums:)--Sasunaruitakashika (talk) 04:07, 24 June 2009 (UTC)Sasunaruitakashika | Talk

Madara and Tobi not the same
At this point it's to early to say that Tobi and Madara are one and the same person. All we know is that people think he is Madara Uchiha. If he was, there would be no reason for Kishimoto to hide his face from us, so it's safe to assume that he isn't. Also, Zetsu, who seems to know everything about the him, still refers to him as 'Tobi' in chapter 450. 86.33.159.67 (talk) 07:09, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Tobi said himself that he was Madara;
 * He's credited as Madara in the volumes' character and story summary sections;
 * The third databook literally states that Tobi is Madara;
 * What we saw of his face looked exactly like Madara's face, only with wrinkles;
 * The third databook claims Madara's face remains unchanged under Tobi's mask.
 * It is not too early to refer to Tobi as Madara since everything points to them being the same and Kishimoto has been treating them as the same person since chapter 364. He didn't even leave a hint of uncertainty as to Tobi's real identity. There is no doubt. --ShounenSuki (talk 07:29, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ShounenSuki, what do you mean when you say that: The third databook claims Madara's face remains unchanged under Tobi's mask. Does it say anything else? (I do not have access to the databooks unfortunately). Does what you said mean that Madara's face is still young? It was seen old when he half-removed the mask in front of Sasuke. Please clear this for me, sankyu. - MadaraU (talk) 18:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Gedo Mazo?
He keeps talking about something called Gedo Mazo for a few chapters, any ideas what that could be?
 * No, wait and see. Jacce | Talk 16:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's the statue of Pain (at least that is what it is known so far). It is the statue in which the bijuu are sealed. - MadaraU (talk) 17:45, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Sasuke becoming more powerful then nagato
what is he talking about when he said if sasuke becomes more powerful then nagato??? is he going to train him????

Mention that...
Madara said that Nagato's Gedo Rinne Tensei was supposed to be for him (for Madara) according to chapter 453 - MadaraU (talk) 17:56, 26 June 2009 (UTC) i think it's supposed to be for him,if he were dead..... but why he say that.....

i think he is talking about the Rennigan to get it according to chapter 453 he sys (the moon's eye plan)  the moon mean rikudou sennin who crated the moon {moon's eye) mean the rennigan and (plan) mean he is planning to get itNarusuke55 (talk) 00:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)narusuke55

I agree. It should be mentioned that Madara stated that Pain's rinne tensei was supposed to be used on him, whether it be put in the kage summit arc paragraph or in the trivia portion, as that may imply that Madara is dead or is taking a precaution in case he does die during his scheme...ItachiZero (talk) 06:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)ItachiZero


 * Nope, i disagree...Until we know wat his plan are exactly, i say avoid adding it anywhere, as it will be speculative information, if we do....-- AlienGamer--Talk-- 06:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Source?
He wore a different mask when he trained Itachi. (where was this stated ? Maybe a fanfiction ?)

I moved this from the article to the talk page, since it didn't seem like mr./miss anonymous planned to. It's from the Tobi-section. ~Hakinu (talk 23:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It was seen in chapter 400 page 8. Jacce | Talk 08:07, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Madara and amaterasu
Madara can also use amaterasu. In chapter 396 page4 Madara used amaterasu to burn the forest to stop Team7 and Team8 from finding Sasuke. To prove that's Madaras amaterasu in chapter 396 page5 Hinata said "There's an area 10km from here surrounded by a very powerul chakra...and...um...the forest is burning...and the flames are black" then Kakashi said "Amaterasu?! that's it!". The only person who could have used amaterasu was Madara it couldn't been Itachi because he was already dead and Sasuke was unconscious.HUNTER* (talk) 16:05, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Those flames were remains of Itachi's Amaterasu. --ShounenSuki (talk 16:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC)