User talk:SuperSajuuk

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Re: rights
Wikia staff did screw up when setting up the rights (sysops can't remove the forummod group they grant but can remove the forumadmin instead which they shouldn't, bureaucrats can't remove either group they add, making the weaker forummod permission something that can't be revoked by anyone) but that's not one of the mistakes. Forum Moderator is the one that Sysops will be able to add/remove. The Forum Admin group with the extra block rights is going to be one given through processes like those RfA-like threads we did. ~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 21:45, October 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure how that logic makes sense to you. I'm bureaucrat/founder, not simply sysop. Sysops have never made the last call on granting sysop or had the rights needed to grant sysop to others. So I'm not sure how being the first Forum Admin makes you the one to decide who gets Forum Admin makes sense to you.
 * When I was active I watched out for users with sysop material myself. Later on I took suggestions from the sysops who were active and knew the community. Now with the RfA-like threads I'm pretty much taking suggestions from the whole community.
 * Forum Admin will simply have a similar process, more RfA-like threads for me to take suggestions from the community.
 * Chat: No, I prefer the talkpages that leave a proper trail, and I'm going out shopping anyways.
 * ~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 22:14, October 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that last call will still be me for Forum Admins just like Sysops. Your experience with the forums will come through in the RfA-like discussions just as the current Sysops's experience does in the other RfA-like discussions.
 * Highlight was the one issue staff was aware of and IIRC even came up in discussions we already knew would probably be missing, so I didn't bother looking into it. Though now that I understand the Wall+Forum functionality and found the issues with editing and closing threads I just took a quick peak at the code again. Looks like it's possible that highlight might be related to the  right.
 * Last time I sent 2 consecutive requests in the same subject to staff without waiting for a reply they skipped over one of the requests, so lets wait for them to fix the issues with addition/removal of the groups before we ask them to try adding  to forumadmin.
 * For chat, I also quickly switch to other things (shopping, soon work, etc...) and sometimes I'm slow writing when it comes to prose, so an asynchronous/deferred method of communication is better. ~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 00:13, October 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * The blocking stuff is a hard topic to think about. If there's a continuing flood of vandalism currently happening from a user, then naturally that would be fine. But in general even a user that has been warned, and will probably be blocked, is unlikely to do it again in the time between when you spot it and when a sysop would handle a request, and even if they did the damage would be trivial. So you're probably better off just letting a sysop handle it as usual. ~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 17:29, October 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * The  was added to Forum Admins, try it out.
 * You're overthinking it, things don't get so bad that a non-sysop needs to make a probationary block before a sysop.
 * That Userpage policy has been modified functionally since it was written. Snapper2's userpage is pretty far from the real issues we had that made us create the policy in the first place. To me it looks like that policy is being expanded and applied excessively beyond what we needed it for.
 * Forum Admin is just Forum Moderator with a few more restricted rights like block, letting sysops grant Forum Moderator is loose enough for grant permissions. ~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 20:42, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

So highlighting works now? If so I want to tell staff so that info gets to the devs with information on the other rights I passed along.

To understand the policy you should really understand why it was created.

Back somewhere near the time that we had to kill off non-wiki discussions in the old forums we had another issue with user pages. There were a number of users who would come to the Narutopedia and create a userpage, then never contribute anything else to the wiki. This userpage would be a fan profile like a character page. Some of them even included the character infobox on their userpage (which IIRC included their userpage in the Character categories). And besides not contributing to the wiki, some of these users would spill over into the mainspace, editing actual character articles to fit in with their fanmade concoction.

So rather than Snapper2's brick wall. Our actual issue was users that abuse the wiki without contributing, creating fan profiles, uploading fan art for their userpage, screwing up content, or coming here just to ask to roleplay or chat. For example, take a look at this.

~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 22:49, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Question
Aren't "Naruto News" and "News and Announcements" in the forums essentially the same thing? • WindStar7125     22:11, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay then. And by the way, you really should archive your page. It's got me looking like: ಠ_ಠ lol. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 22:14, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Kudos/This
Forgot to ask, based on this comment you made, why have we been prohibited from saying "This" when we agree with a comment in the forums? Guys like I, Ten Tailed Fox, and others have used it all the time. What's the deal? • WindStar7125     00:50, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

chat
Do you wanna get on chat? Munchvtec (talk) 08:23, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

forums stuff

 * 1) the dedicated edit button doesn't work for me, does it require rights I lack or is just broken?
 * 2) forum flags should be updated, for example Seelentau is noted as a translator but not a sysop
 * 3) even though it's good that you have split the boards, there are too many in my opinion, I'd merge back some of them--Elve  Talk Page 13:10, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * 4) Is it possible for an ordinary editor to see which ones are locked at the moment or can only a sysop do that?--Elve  Talk Page 13:31, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * I see, good to know.
 * Great.
 * Well, in my opinion we don't need separate boards for Chapter/Episode Discussions and Naruto 7, I'd merge them with Naruto Discussion
 * I see, that's helpful, thanks.--Elve Talk Page 13:40, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Not worth a separate topic, I just want to ask: I'm about to make a "4th databook predictions" thread, so I wonder if it's more appropriate for the theories&speculation board or another, thanks--Elve Talk Page 14:54, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's kind and thanks.--Elve Talk Page 15:00, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Idea
Do you think it would be a good idea to change the green marker next your name in the forums from "(Moderator)" to "(Forum Admin)" or "(Administrator)?" Though hopefully if the latter was chosen, nobody confuses "(Administrator)" with "(Sysop)..." • WindStar7125     19:37, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

re: tmr
Sure, no prob, I would have done so sooner if I hadn't been doing other things.--Elve Talk Page 09:52, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Does it really make sense to bother with archived topics, though?--Elve Talk Page 10:07, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Burnt out for the time being, will resume the work after a brief break :P--Elve Talk Page 10:32, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter 698
Spey-kun, the Chinese scans of the chapter are out and the title is "Naruto and Sasuke 5", according to the spoiler policy. Is it better to create an article of that chapter or wait for the English scans? — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 10:05, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Thread moving request
If I can find the time, of course I am willing to help, the only thing is that I actually am busy at the moment, including the next weeks (you might've noticed that I didn't upload the newest anime images as well, simply because I don't have the time for it). So I can't guarantee anything. Norleon (talk) 12:23, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

re: high
Why do people need to be aware of it? It is not a topic that all editors and readers need to be informed about. It is not a topic that all editors and readers need to take part it. Therefore, why highlight it? ~SnapperTo 18:53, October 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * Can't highlight every thread a user might want to find. Especially since they can go looking for it if they're truly interested. There's a frickin board dedicated to it after all.
 * Although I was not aware the highlights automatically expired. ~SnapperTo 19:05, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Request
Sure, if you want to. FF-Suzaku (talk) 00:28, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Forum Administrator
SuperSajuuk, it seems I need to be clear about something.

forumadmin is just a Forum Moderator with extra moderation rights like blocking, you don't get to unilaterally make decisions.

In the future when there may be a need for large changes like reorganizing the entire forums, I would like you to discuss it with the community first and gather people's input.

Also, I'd say it's generally better to not close an announcement immediately after it's made, especially if it's about a big change. The announcement post is a good place for discussion, complaints, and comments on things that might further need to be fixed.

~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 06:16, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Moving pages/files
Got it, Spey-kun. Thanks for your assistance. :) — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 18:13, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

New section in the forums?
I suggest we add a "Video Game" section for the forums. There is likely to be new Naruto video games in the future, and it would further thin down the Naruto Discussions board. If you give me the green light, I'll happily add it myself. If not... well, I tried. • WindStar7125     21:57, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

Update
Please update me when Ulti-Super does the Kekkei Mōra thing for the Rinne Sharingan ASAP. I take responsibility and I kinda wanna fix my mistake. Also, when are you going to make the link to the forum requests you put on the top of the forums visible to everyone?
 * Edit: Phew... Good news... making progress on the forums! Was able to trim the pages on the Naruto discussions boards to single digits! Only a few more to go! :P
 * 2nd edit: Done. That took awhile. But I've moved all past threads to the appropriate sections. You are now impressed. :P And also, please update me on the things I asked for at the beginning of this topic, will ya? • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 05:27, November 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Great! He's done it. Now we have to find a way to get Amenominaka and Infinite Tsukuyomi under the jutsu section of Rinne Sharingan's infobox.... • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 13:54, November 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Forget all that stuff. Ulti-Super got it handled ^_^. Now, considering that's over, you said you'd poke Ulti-Super for making the Forum Moderator and Forum Operator flags pop up on our pages. Can you do that now? :P Also, here still has you as a forumadmin instead of forum operator. The URL still has forumadmin in it instead of forumoperator. Care to change that? •  WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 02:35, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Infobox/Naruto/Genetic
Eh, what? Are you talking about the category?~Ultimate Supreme  05:12, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Added--~Ultimate Supreme  13:25, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

???
Sajuuk, what did you do that for? Why did you close the discussion? I moved it to the new board you created. The link you made doesn't even work... • WindStar7125     11:24, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * About that, I usually close the threads after 350 messages. That's what I consider a "mega thread." • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 11:29, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * You close it, feeling there was no purpose, I reopen it. Then there really was no purpose in it when Tau created the other thread. So I close it. Then all of a sudden you find purpose in it and reopen it. Look, man, I've been up for 24 hours. I don't know what you want. I'm confused. Do what you want, man, you're the operator. :| • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 11:49, November 4, 2014 (UTC)