Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150512133037/@comment-3965545-20150720115140

...neither of you are getting it.. at all.. on either accounts. Kishi and his info, beats you all and your opinions. Prime Hiruzen is confirmed to be stronger than Tobirama, who is tied with EMS Madara according to Madara himself, who's brother Izuna was killed by Tobirama. All confirmed. All canon. All Kishi. Hiruzen was still a 69yr old man with smaller reserves as an Edo Tensei, his reserves just refilled infinitely as with all Edo's cases. He was still not at his prime period, and plotwise there was no more room for him to shine in the spotlight besides what he was given.. Kishi was rushing the manga to its end.