Talk:Tenseigan

the svg that was made
Was pretty damn close except for the middle design.. this is what it looks like ItachiWasAHero (talk) 19:38, December 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * I was well aware of that. Take a look at this. In the coloring, it was revised, so no need to create a talkpage about this. ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 19:44, December 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not the Tenseigan, though. It's Hanabi's eye. This is the Tenseigan. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:49, December 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Guess the talkpage was needed. Sorry about the snark, @ItachiWasAHero. :P Ah, okay. Isn't that the Tenseigan altar (mentioned by FF-Suzaku here)? ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 19:51, December 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it says Within Toneri's floating castle is this giant orb!! For a thousand years the Ohtsutsuki Clan has used it to seal their eyes, and now Toneri has attained the enormous power of the Tenseigan...!!. So the Tenseigan is an eye that is created by the power of the sealed Byakugan. The thing is that two pages prior, it is said that ↑ Toneri was born without eyes. These were transplanted from Hanabi., with a picture of Toneri's eyes. But then again, the eye doesn't look like a normal Byakugan, does it? I'm undecided, but willing to leave it as it is for now. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:55, December 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay then. All I read was that there was a Tenseigan eye and a Tenseigan altar that held the Byakugan. But okay then. We'll leave it as it is.
 * Edit: FF-Suzaku said this in the link I gave: Unnamed transformation - After Hinata removes Hanabi's eyes from Toneri, the many Byakugan sealed in the Tenseigan altar are drawn to and cling to Toneri's body and he begins to undergo a monstrous transformation. Naruto reaches out and takes his hand, saving him. What you linked might be the altar, but yes, we'll leave it alone. ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 20:00, December 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * In the pieces of concept art that were displayed, the altar is labeled . It seems that it's also referred to as a Tenseigan in the film (the pixiv wiki articles call it the Tenseigan Energy vessel), and is a weapon in its own right (and apparantly is the power source for the Otsutsuki puppets), but lacking official confirmation of a specific name I suggest we use "altar" for the time being, as we can at least confirm that using the official concept art. At any rate, the Tenseigan dojutsu / kekkei genkai awakened by Toneri using Hanabi's eyes is also a thing, and it "evolves" from the Byakugan. After he gets beaten the power fades away and the eyes become normal Byakugan again. FF-Suzaku (talk) 19:17, December 15, 2014 (UTC)

Hanabi
Would Hanabi Hyūga have this if Toneri's eyes were transplanted back into here??? Skarrj (talk) 09:26, December 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * i'd doubt that =.= Kunoichi101 (talk) 22:34, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

Rinnegan and Madara
What is the source for the statement saying that The Tenseigan is on par with the Rinnegan and that Toneri was said to be as powerful as Madara when using it?

--Jingo12 (talk) 05:52, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

New SVG need
In 26:32 the fully powered Tenseigan is shown.--Kuroiraikou (talk) 07:04, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 23:59, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Jesus Christ, look at this. https://scontent-1.2914.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/v/t34.0-12/10933173_1567387750167667_1326709374_n.jpg?oh=0a9fc4d43902b6f7f61da92a83b16ef0&oe=54D5D2C9 Kishi drew and colored this right? You can see here his Tenseigan is obviously a white cog-ish shape in the middle and not a random flower design. But then again which do we REALLY use? because in the movie it only briefly took that design once the Tenseigan reached "full power" and then his eyes were never shown close enough after that to tell if it stayed that way ItachiWasAHero (talk) 06:48, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

I think we should change this because Tenseigan has both complete and incomplete and the outer part is like blue not sky blue colour and by the way those subs are not edited by me.--Naruto uzu6254 (talk) 08:41, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * No, Making an incomplete one would be redundant. We don't have an svg for the incomplete one-tomoe and two-tomoe Sharingan do we? Only one for the fully-matured three-tomoe Sharingan. What's done is done. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 08:49, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Sharingan has stages so the svg's for those should be made anyway.. But the incomplete Tenseigan is not a stage it is just incomplete so an svg would not be needed like WindStar said. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 09:02, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

So, I saw the movie...
... and I didn't see anything saying that Hamura had the Tenseigan, Hamura giving Hinata any power, or Hamura's Tenseigan being inside the altar with the hundreds of Byakugan... Do these come from the novelization or the guidebook? Patsoumas1995 (talk) 02:12, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * ...he has a point actually, now that I think about it. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 02:15, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * The giant Tenseigan was called Hamura's Tenseigan, iirc. Hamura didn't give Hinata any power, but she had his chakra, or so she said. • Seelentau 愛 議 02:23, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * At which point was it called Hamura's Tenseigan? Because I don't recall that, and I just saw the movie. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 02:32, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

I believe it's from the novelization, same with the term "Energy Vessel." It's mentioned on several Japanese websites that "Hamura's Tenseigan" is its core. FF-Suzaku (talk) 05:43, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * But are these Japanese websites trustworthy? Are we sure that these info (the "Energy Vessel" term, Hamura's Tenseigan) are from the novelization? Don't we have to be sure? Patsoumas1995 (talk) 03:00, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I own the novel and can check it myself if you want. But I doubt that the novel would be different from the movie. • Seelentau 愛 議 03:23, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * If you have the novel, then this must be it. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 00:26, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

It was def called Hamura's Tenseigan.. he sealed his Tenseigan Eyes, then from there the rest of the clan from then on had their Byakugan Eyes sealed too including Toneri. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 06:33, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

So what exactly the Tenseigan is and how the hell is it created? I'm confused.--Elve Talk Page 13:29, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm with Elve... It's an eye, an energy vessel, a special chakra mode, etc. I feel like the movie didn't do such a great job at explaining all of this- I get the impression that it was better explained in the novel. Well, that and I haven't seen the best quality to formulate an entire understanding. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 04:00, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * The way I see it, I think there were two Tenseigan eyes of Hamura one was used for war, this eye was kept inside golden case above the moving tower. Another eye was kept hidden in the core of moon which was powered up by thousands of Byakugan, this eye controlled the movement of the moon. After Naruto and Hinata destroyed the Tenseigan of moon core, the moon stopped moving towards earth but the moon started moving again once Toneri awakened Tenseigan.--Naruto uzu6254 (talk) 05:42, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Does the Deva Path apply to the Tenseigan?
It says that the tenseigan can control attractive and repulsive forces, similar to the Rinnegan. Does that mean that Shinra Tensei and Bansho Tenin should be added in the abilities section? Or should we at least make a link to those two jutsu in that section? I haven't seen the movie so I'm confused on how it works. Sanbi221 (talk) 04:28, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't. The Deva Path is exclusive to the Rinnegan. Toneri is just using an unknown, albeit similar, technique.  ★   WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 05:03, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

Icon Update
I made an improvement in Tenseigan icon to replace the current one. What do you think? => New icon --Lukas Pessoa Dantas (talk) 22:39, April 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Much better than the other. --Shodai Tsuchi talk 16:42, May 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * ^I concur.--Mina [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] talk 17:21, May 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'll replace the icon. --Lukas Pessoa Dantas (talk) 03:25, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Yet it still isn't the fully matured Tenseigan. QuakingStar (talk) 23:41, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Nature Transformation
The Techniques used with the Tenseigan + Truth-Seeking Balls must become all basic natures and yin-yang release! --Keeptfighting (talk) 21:44, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

Hinata
In the Trivia Section it is stated that you need the Byakugan from an Main family member and the Chakra of the Outsutsuki, since Hinata is a Member of the Main Family and have the Chakra of Hamura BUT does not have the Tenseigan, we can clearly say it is proven to be wrong --Keeptfighting (talk) 00:48, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hamura didn't give Hinata chakra, he only gave her that vision and asked her to stop Toneri.--Kuroiraikou (talk) 01:45, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * No he gave her his chakra, her chakra color changed and she became even more powerful AFTER the interaction hell it was even confirmed by directors that the strength and potency of Hinata's latent Hamura powers is what drew Toneri to desire her. Hell, Hanabi even had her Byakugan used to awaken it so her eyes have/had Hamura power flowing through them. That being said the POSSIBILITY that Hinata and Hanabi reawakening the Tenseigan is not farfetched. All they need to do is find how to properly mix the chakra into their Byakugans. Shock Dragoon (talk) 01:57, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * We don't know if her chakra was purple before the movie, confirmed by directors? got a source because i haven't seen that. The Hyūga's don't have Hamura's chakra, if they did how come Hanabi didn't awaken it before? Toneri himself that the chakras of both the Ōtsutsuki and Hyūga are needed, they don't have Ōtsutsuki chakra so they can't awaken it.--Kuroiraikou (talk) 02:45, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

Hinata have Ōtsutsuki chakra.. --Keeptfighting (talk) 11:41, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * No she doesn't, if she does how come she hasn't awakened it yet?--Kuroiraikou (talk) 13:12, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

In Hamuras Ability Section it is mentioned that he bestow Hinata his Power to destroy the Energy Vessel. Which Power do you think it was? Even Hinatas Chakra has changed from blue to purple, which means her Chakra changed by mixing it with Hamuras Chakra. --Keeptfighting (talk) 13:46, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * That section is wrong, watch the movie again she said the energy vessel has a Juinjutsu on it that only allows Hamura's descendent to touch it, had nothing to do with her interaction with Hamura. We don't if her chakra color was purple before to movie.--Kuroiraikou (talk) 14:41, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

Except, for the fact that her chakra was depicted as being blue beforehand. After she interacted with Hamura, we saw her gentle step twin lion fist become purple, she was immune to Toneri's puppet-cursing sphere, she had enough chakra to completely recharge Naruto in seconds, and we saw her flying. It is clear as day that he gave her his chakra to destroy the energy vessel, although she needed Naruto's help to do it. --Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 (talk) 18:39, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

Senjutsu
Not one hundred percent sure, but apparently the novel mentions that the Tenseigan uses Natural Energy to animate the puppets etc. I messaged someone who knows about the novelization, but I didn't get an answer, so...--Elve Talk Page 18:09, October 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * No, that's correct. (I keep bringing this thread up a lot :D) He said this: "The Energy Vessel [aka Tenseigan] apparantly uses his Tenseigan [dojutsu] to act as a giant senjutsu chakra engine that collects and amplifies natural energy, and the Ōtsutsuki clan used the Vessel as an energy source to power everything on the moon, including the countless autonomous puppets that served them."
 * Unless that "someone" you messaged was Suzaku... 0.0 I think he meant that the energy vessel uses natural energy, not the dojutsu. Could be wrong tho. 19:18, October 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I messaged "OrganicDinosaur" to confirm this information but didn't receive response in return. If this is legit, then it should be added to the articles.--Elve Talk Page 19:23, October 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * My best guess is that OD's occupied with RL (I mean, she still hasn't finished translating the novels she said she would months ago >_<). And based on that thread, that info should have been added to articles long ago... don't know why it wasn't... but I understand the need for confirmation, even if Suzaku is trustworthy. 19:36, October 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Bumping this, does anyone else have more information on this?--Elve Talk Page 22:12, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Bumping this... Seel? FF-Suzaku? Anyone who knows shit?--Elve Talk Page 16:09, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

Using Byakugan abilities and Techniques
Seeing as the Tenseigan is an evolved version of he Byakugan, shouldn't it be able to utilizes the same techniques and have the same abilities as the Byakugan? Pietro Maximoff (talk) 16:06, February 7, 2016 (UTC)
 * It was never confirmed. And since we know, that the Rinnegan, an evolved version of the Sharingan, doesn't necessarily retain all the abilities of it, we can't know for sure if it's not the case with the Tenseigan. But we just mention the abilities of the Tenseigan which were actually shown. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 16:12, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

Otsutsuki Obtaining it?
Can any Otsutsuki obtain the Tenseigan or does it have to be Hamura's bloodline only? LoneNinja (talk)
 * An Otsutsuki descended from Hamura who gets his/her hands on "pure" Byakugan apparently. Too bad Toneri is the only such fellow.--Elve Talk Page 14:54, February 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * Ahh but shouldn't that be stated on the wiki page instead of Otsutsuki since that it states you only have to be an Otsutsuki and have Byakugan which would mean anyone with the name Otsutsuki could get it such as Indra, Asura, Momo, Kaguya as long as they had the Byakugan which some did. etc. LoneNinja (talk) 00:20, February 22, 2016 (UTC)

Yes it should because that clearly isn't true. Kaguya, Momoshiki, and Kinshiki are Otsutsuki who all have the Byakugan and have been around for millennia. None of them have the Tenseigan, only Hamura awakened it and only one of his descendants with the "body" was able to awaken it after they united the "body" with their missing "eyes" that was possessed by their cousin clan. They basically recombined both of Hamura's lost bloodlines causing them to awaken the Tenseigan akin to how the Rinnegan is awakened. So it should be stated that you need to be from Hamura's lineage to get it too or else every other Otsutsuki running around would have it. --Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 (talk) 20:04, April 12, 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect Acquisition Information
The Tenseigan's requirements aren't just being an Otsutsuki and having Byakugan or else Kaguya, Momoshiki, and Kinshiki would have it. It is clearly something unique to only Hamura and his bloodline, the way it was acquired mirrors the way the Rinnegan is unlocked too. The re-convergence of Hamura's two bloodlines results in uniting the "body" and the "eyes" to achieve the Tenseigan and awaken Hamura's own chakra. Is someone going to change this? --Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 (talk) 15:14, April 13, 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. --JouXIII (talk) 15:41, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

Hamura Fact Checking
This article and a several others have claimed since around the time of The Last's release that Hamura was the first to awaken the Tenseigan without a source. From what has been translated of the novel so far, Hamura is in fact said to the originator of the Tenseigan and it is stated said Tenseigan was enshrined as a religious object. Here's the problem, The Last confusingly refers to the "energy vessel" and the dōjutsu with the exact same name and hardly differentiates between them, so it could very well mean he just created the Byakugan-cluster-thing, which does appear to be a sort of religious object to the moon people. There have been rumours that something states Hamura's Tenseigan is/are at the core of the energy vessel, but again no source, and they certainly weren't seen when it broke apart in the movie. Said rumour came around the same time as supposed information that the moon's technology is powered by natural energy which appears to have been entirely false. Does anybody have any sort of source that Hamura actually possessed this dōjutsu himself? And if the only source turns out to be the novel, shouldn't he be a novel-only user like with Gaara's Magnet Release?--BeyondRed (talk) 11:50, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * I have link to the fully translated novel. I have wanted to fact-check these things for months now, real life gets in the way, but soon :D--Elve Talk Page 12:37, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * About the The Last and Boruto novelization thingie, Seelentau argued about this, but to me it's clear that the novelizations of the movies are more canon than the movies themselves. This can be seen from Boruto manga being closer to the novel than the movie.--Elve Talk Page 12:39, May 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * The novel's already been fully translated? There is a user on Tumblr working on it here and there since its release, but she's only up to Naruto's team preparing to break into the barrier around the castle. Was there somebody else working on it as well? As for the canon thing, this novel is a a bit of a unique case since it was written by the script writer, so it's probably pretty safe to take its information a little more seriously than the others. From what I've seen, the added scenes come across as things that were cut from the film's script, like the extended scene of Toneri explaining the Ōtsutsuki history to Hinata (which is where he is credited as the originator of either the dōjutsu or the energy vessel). The novel could also be useful for getting descriptive names for some of the unnamed techniques, like the energy bubbles shot by the puppets and Toneri's chakra sphere.--BeyondRed (talk) 02:14, May 11, 2016 (UTC)

Tenseigan evolution
Just found this image to see about Tenseigan evolution. But it requires translation to see what's all about? — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 22:43, April 12, 2017 (UTC)
 * Interesting... 07:12, April 13, 2017 (UTC)
 * Very interested too about what it says.--Elve Talk Page 11:19, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

It also means someone can make the Tenseigan design closer to the original art, assuming Kishimoto drew this. -- Princeharris1993 15:53, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

Have FF-Suzaku look at it, Seel is on some kind of long break. QuakingStar (talk) 16:10, April 13, 2017 (UTC)


 * It's just concept art, different tests and designs for the pattern and such, with notes about how it should look at different distances and how the digital artists should handle it. Definitely not drawn by Kishimoto. FF-Suzaku (talk) 06:28, April 17, 2017 (UTC)
 * Good to know. Thanks man. 06:48, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

Hamura
In reference to my edit to the page: The Last novel has only one section that can be interpreted as Hamura possessing the Tenseigan-dojutsu, all others clearly being about the Tenseigan-vessel. The one section is itself ambiguous, and I haven't seen any references that clear up the ambiguity. There isn't an elegant way to quote this one section within the article, so I'm including it below so that current/future editors can dwell upon it if they wish: "According to Toneri, Ōtsutsuki Hamura was also the originator of the Tenseigan. Using the great power of the Tenseigan, he brought order and stability to the world of the moon. Even after his death, the people of the moon treated "Hamura's Tenseigan" as a treasure. They enshrined it as a religious object, and devoted a plan to eternally preserving it. The Tenseigan however, was not limited to Hamura's Tenseigan only. By implanting the Hyūga clan's Byakugan, those who inherited the Ōtsutsuki's blood could manifest and acquire a new Tenseigan. By combining the chakra of both clans, the Byakugan would transform into the Tenseigan."

~SnapperTo 02:02, August 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * Would it really make sense for Toneri to be the first one who has manifested the doujutsu Tenseigan? It must had been done by Hamura, otherwise how would Toneri have known such a process was possible?--Elve Talk Page 09:11, August 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * It does not make sense, no. But if the series can't provide a single clear reference, it's not the wiki's responsibility to pretend there is one. ~SnapperTo 17:46, August 4, 2019 (UTC)

Hamura was said to be first with Tenseigan, a method based on that was stated for another to awaken the Tenseigan.. Toneri followed the stated method and awakened the Tenseigan. Hamura had the Tenseigan Dojutsu, he then created the Tenseigan Vessell. Hamura was the first, Toneri seems to be the second. FlatZone (talk) 02:26, August 5, 2019 (UTC)
 * Where was that said? ~SnapperTo 17:15, August 5, 2019 (UTC)
 * Not in those exact words, but the method to awaken the Tenseigan was written down by Hamura wasn't it? He was talking about the Dojutsu. He only knows because he is the one who awakened it first as far as is shown. FlatZone (talk) 17:23, August 5, 2019 (UTC)
 * The method for acquiring the Tenseigan is known to Toneri. If that method is supposed to be passed down from Hamrua, I'd like to see a reference saying as much. ~SnapperTo 18:30, August 5, 2019 (UTC)

I've been meaning to bring this up for a while, ever since I read the translated novel a while back. For anyone who hasn't, the book really doesn't help much with clearing up the confusing lore presented in the movie — if anything, it just makes things even more confusing. Aside from this one passage, the only other real difference Tenseigan-wise is that a lot of the dialogue in the movie that just calls the orb-thing "Tenseigan" has been changed to call it "Hamura's Tenseigan", which makes it pretty clear he created the orb, but says nothing about whether he also had the eyes. All that other stuff that was floating around back when the movie released about Hamura's eye(s) being at the centre of the Tenseigan and that it works by harnessing natural energy also turned out to be false. For what it's worth, the novel establishes that Hamura created the "energy vessel" sometime before his death, but the movie shows the "ghost" of his old self still having eyes. So in short, I agree that he should be removed as a user of the dōjutsu.--BeyondRed (talk) 03:45, August 6, 2019 (UTC)
 * Toneri still has the Tenseigan after the vessell is destroyed. Also OrganicDinosaur, FF-Suzaku and appparently Seelentau had already translated the information and that is where the info about the Hamura's eyes being inside the orb came from. FlatZone (talk) 04:09, August 6, 2019 (UTC)
 * FF-Suzaku's contemporaneous translations are drawn from Japanese blogs and wikis. While we can trust that the translations are faithful to the original Japanese, that does not mean the information is true. The wiki needs an actual reference from some resource with an official tie to the series. Hearsay and best guesses are of no value. ~SnapperTo 05:17, August 6, 2019 (UTC)
 * There were a lot of unverified facts being passed around back at the time The Last released. Like it was originally thought the Tenseigan was created by combining the powers of all the Byakugan in the orb, rather than combining Ōtsutsuki and Hyūga chakra. That one got debunked pretty quickly once more people saw the movie, but a bunch of others like Hamura's eyes being the core and the natural energy thing I mentioned above couldn't be debunked, since they were alleged to come from the novel. However, the novel doesn't actually include any of these things, making it likely Suzaku was unknowingly translating some Japanese fans' theories/speculation that made their way onto the Japanese wiki. I agree it makes sense for Hamura to have awakened the eyes given how they're created, but there's nothing saying he actually did so. Sadly, nothing in The Last movie, novel, or guidebook ever explains why the dōjutsu and orb are both called "Tenseigan" or how exactly they're related.--BeyondRed (talk) 07:09, August 6, 2019 (UTC)