Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180917205315

Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: I'm sorry but can you quote your paragraph in which you had debunked the claims of eyes indicating RSM? I can't seem to find it. I’m not sure if this was meant as a joke or a troll or what but my last reply to joa20, which is a mere 6 replies away from your own, is where you’ll find your answers. That you got kudos for this reply is very telling.

LegionZero wrote: Yea pick a scene where all he did was stand and flex to demand feats from

The manga made a pattern out of Cross pupils w/ pigments as SPSM. The same way it established that Kurama's chakra will give Naruto slit eyes and toad Sage Mode will give him slat eyes without ever explicitly selling us that what they represent. Its the same way we know the Sharingan is red without the series contantly pointing out that it is red.

You have no legimite evidence to say cross eyes w/ isnt SPSM. Just overly convoluted suppositions and speculation No, you made the claim that Naruto was in rsm in episode 38. You now have to prove that. You made the claim Naruto used rsm and another mode, you also have to prove that. I gave you options, either proved your claims using his appearance or his feats. You failed to do either, which clearly tells me you have no support for your claims. What you did do was attempt to get off the hook for your own lack of evidence. You went from making claims about episode 38 to asking me to pick an episode for you. I am not responsible for your own words, you are. If you say rsm appeared in episode 38, then you should be able to prove it, regardless how difficult, and do so to the extent where most if not all doubts are expelled. In truth, you have nothing. You make empty claims on faulty logic, you take images out of context and misconstrue their meaning. That’s like looking at a map for the first time, without reading the legend, and deciding you know what everything shown means. Your claim is wrong and you lack too much context for it to have any grounds to stand on. You were given the chance to prove yourself, you failed. So I accept your concession.

AsianReaper wrote: The Manga has shown that cross-slit eyes with rings around his eyes is Kurama mode with Sage Mode put together.

Then, he was shown to be way more powerful with cross-slit eyes without pigmentation. And they use one of his feats on the actual SPSM page to show its powers.

I still don't understand why you think Naruto kicking the Truth Seeking Orb isn't a valid display of SPSM. It's literally the picture used on the SPSM page. "Oh but the caption doesn't specifically say it's SPSM." It uses it on the SPSM page in the databook to demonstrate its power, what's so hard to get? 1. I recently quoted 2 instances of kurama sage mode Naruto without rings around his eyes. You believe that to be rsm and not ksm? Cool, prove that. What evidence do you have of that being rsm rather than ksm? Where’s the evidence of the juubi’ power in hokage Naruto? If you have that, I’ll concede.

2. Being ‘Shown to be way more powerful with cross-slit eyes without pigmentation’ in no way proves rsm. It’s too vague, and more importantly there’s no proven connection between naruto’ eyes and rsm. That’s only your speculation. In fact, it was madara who had already achieved rikudo sagehood that recognized Naruto’ own rikudo sagehood and it wasn’t because of his eyes, it was because he awakened rikudo senjutsu as well. You can’t prove a direct connection between Naruto’ eyes and rsm so that claim is baseless.

You heard me explain all this already. You are only struggling to comprehend because you still hold onto misconceptions. Those leaps in logic that were taken in the past don’t work today. Too much context exists for you(those with your own thinking) to be unsure about certain aspects of this subject. I’ve presented the information to reduce and remove that uncertainty.

CombatIQmatters wrote: two, @LegionZero, The thing is juubi chakra is senjutsu chakra, so when I say it "leaks" I literally mean his ninetailed beasts could have been pooling the chakra into him a little at a time. So, yes I agree he was in SPSM when he saved guy, but the mode wasn't complete yet, once it was complete he got the full cloak plus truth seekers. Because hokage naruto probably lost most of the bijuu chakra, he is unable to enter complete SPSM. I don't see why getting the other half of the ninetails would make his eyes more orange, when logically with more bijuu chakra the closer he would be to the juubi, so his eyes would be yellow as opposed to organge, though I still haven't found an official scan yet lol.

@Hagoromo, you must at least concede to the yellow eye color that naruto had when he kicked the TSO. His eyes are normally orange when he is simply using KSM. But otherwise I still see reason in your argument.

@AsianReaper, the main point is that nine tailed beast chakra are needed for a complete RSM, whereas the traditional assumption is that SPSM is a separate mode altogether from the bijuu. I disagree with @bold, my reasons being that you wouldn’t call Naruto in sage mode the moment he starts to gather nature energy. It’s only when he gathers enough energy and then enters the mode that we get indication of said mode.

Naruto’ eye color doesn’t disprove anything I’ve established. Attempting to draw a connection between naruto’ and rsm is a fallacy. Rsm nor rikudo sage transformation are indicated by eyes. Not in manga anime nor databook. It is headcanon based on faulty logic and lack of context. Simple put, it’s an outdated way of thinking.