Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26107879-20181004003653/@comment-6769189-20181129072646

CombatIQmatters wrote: @LegionZero

I never imagined I would be arguing against you on this, but here goes lol.

1) The speed isn't "necessary" per say but the issue is the nature of the attack. It's a piercing move. Yes the raiton chakra has penetrative abilities but penetration attacks benefit heavily from speed. the problem in close quarters combat, the technique requires hand signs. You don't have time to weave those, so you need to start weaving the techique outside of the enemy's attack range, or you are gonna be tagged. That's exactly what happened to kakashi. why do you think he got tagged by pein's rod even though he easily dodged the kick? because he was weaving the signs for raikiri. The cinematics don't always show the hand signs but it's happening. if kakashi starts out of the range of his opponent, he needs to use his top speed to ensure the technique lands and penetrates, or else he is wasting chakra, it's a finishing move. kakashi used it against pain in CQC because he was presumably desperate, but it's still an inconsistency/ a personality issue. Raikiri/Chidori stopped requiring handsigns by the time of the Pain fight. He spontaniously activates it on the very next page and Sasuke had done it on numerous occasions

CombatIQmatters wrote:

2) I'm actually not referring to combat speed. His running speed easily dwarfed that of the previous 3 kage yet when when we see him running with them in the midst of battle he is not much faster than them. Chapters?

CombatIQmatters wrote:

3) It's not speculation, it's physics.It explains why kcm naruto isn't always running at his top speed. If you run too fast in one direction you will be off balance and slower to recover. the proof? Killer bee commented on naruto specifically using the body flicker to blitz kisame, and as a result naruto ended up getting his foot in the ground by accident. Naruto isn't always using his top speed. Naruto attributed his foot getting stuck to hitting the wall too hard, not moving too fast

Naruto was shown coming to a sudden stop right after.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Chapter 541 also proves both Ayy and naruto weren't using their top speed the whole time. By your logic base bee is as fast as V2 Ayy if we assume everyone is using their top speed 24/7 in a serious fight/dispute. A shows no sign of carrying forward momentum at the moment the punch landed or after.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

4) It was stated. kakashi was seen using his top speed to the point it created tunnel vision. sasuke also had to train to rock lee's level of speed to make the technique fast enough to compete in the chunnin exams. Rock lee said he wouldn't run at his level of speed in a straight line like that because he doesn't have a sharingan. rock lee has run at his top speed only in small bursts. It was not stated and its been shown to be as effective without the run as it is with it.

What was stated was that Chidori made Kakashi fast.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

5) It is a good reason. Using your top speed in a fight causes tunnel vision, cause you to be off balanced, can cause you to collide into your opponent, etc... Again, watch any boxing or karate fight in real life and you will see people aren't running at their top speed the whole time lol. naruo works the same way. Its not a good reason to ban the technique because it can be used safely and effectively without running.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

when minato uses his actual top speed body flicker, obito comments on it, yet minato and obito run at the same speed? nope, minato is running at a slower speed, just like everyone else to avoid tunnel vision. If minato runs at his top speed obito would just phase through and minato would get tagged by the chains. It's a balance between defense and offense. once minato closed the distance, he used superior combat speed and FTG to ensure he tagged obito, not his running Its because they are actually very close in speed. Obito was very powerful when he faced off against Minato and showed speed & reflexes close to if not on par with Minato. If this wasnt the case minato would have run circles around him like he did with most other opponents.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

6) proof that it was v1? Everyone has the problem but the issue is the magnitude. His hair wasnt spiky

CombatIQmatters wrote:

And how does 541 prove your point? again, the faster you run the harder it is to slow down immediately, it takes time and is dependent on the speed you are running at. That's why Ayy ended up punching the wall even though naruto already moved. it's just basic physics. People only use their top running speed to escape an attack if it's necessary, to retreat, or chase after someone, just like kcm naruto did to escape ayy, and to tag kisame. the only exception is if your like A4, who's fighting style involves him using his top speed to end the fight before it begins, he can get away with it because he is one of the fastest character in the manga and it's hard to react to him, and the tunnel vision isn't too bad because of his reflex boost. Naruto stopped fairly easily after dodging A's full speed punch

Ay was already midswing so him punching the wall isnt proof that he could stop his run. Im fact if this was true he would have faceplanted into the side of the mountain if he was moving as fast as he could but had in inability to properly stop himself.