Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180904074525

LegionZero wrote: SPSM isnt signified by the cloak. The cloak is an extension of SPSM. The eyes the yellow cross pattern eyes signify SPSM. This is a false equivalence. Eyes holds no significance to rsm. Literally nothing in canon states it’s relevance to the form. Whereas I can and have pointed out multiple acknowledgements of rikudo senjutsu aka juubi chakra being required.

LegionZero wrote: No it doesnt it just means he hadnt figured out exactly what the power up was until then. Madara realized only once he entered rsm that Naruto had been raising his amount of juubi chakra. There’s nothing you have to debunk this. There is no other power that it can be. You can’t restate the half of hagoromo chakra claim(again) because adult Naruto retaining rikudo chakra debunks that. You are left with no other option but to admit Naruto waited on the production of juubi chakra to enter rsm. We know what that chakra does, we know what it looks like. Naruto had every indication on top of madara outright stating Naruto achieve the juubi’ chakra. It is required, and he got it from the 9 biju. Even the shikamaru novel confirms that having those fragmented biju chakra with kurama made Naruto essential as juubi jinchuriki. Confirming outright the source of that finite amount of juubi chakra.

LegionZero wrote: No SPSM is a form of SP Senjutsu. The only difference between the form used by Obito/Madara and Naruto was the method used to get there and how they look. You clearly don’t understand the dynamic between senjutsu and sage mode. Sage mode is not a form of senjutsu. You will never find that sentence in canon. The right way to explain senjutsu and sage mode is to say that senjutsu is sage chakra. Therefore in order to become a sage one must have sage chakra. Rikudo sages in this regard, are no different. By Naruto essentially becoming a juubi jinchuriki, he was able to attain enough rikudo senjutsu to enter rsm. LegionZero wrote: Your assumption. It was shown that he waited, he saved guy, then used rasenshuriken then stopped to sense Sasuke. If he didn’t need to wait why not spawn those TSOs asap? Why not start flying right away? It’s simply because he couldn’t do that without the juubi’ power. Which I confirmed that he had during the war thanks to the scans from shikamaru’ novel.

LegionZero wrote: Naruto never mixed the chakras within himself all 9 Bijuu chakras remained as seperate entities. Kurama states the juubi is the aggregate of each biju’ chakra. For Naruto to be considered a juubi jinchuriki, that process must’ve been replicated, albeit on a smaller scale.

LegionZero wrote: Hagoromo was going to give him power either way. There was reason for him gaining power, hagoromo doesn’t just give it away to anyone. Naruto received rsm because he was worthy and had the right Naruto was able to use rsm because he was essentially a juubi jinchuriki. Acknowledged(in different ways) by the biju, hagoromo, the novel, the databook. As hagoromo put it, ‘a lot of conditions have lined up’, those are the conditions. Rsm’ conditions, rikudo seal conditions. Those are hagoromo’ own words explained in full.

LegionZero wrote: He didnt. He acknowledged that Naruto was that Naruto was the boy of prophacy because he made friend with the Bijuu and that he had the desire to protect others. Hagoromo never said he could recieve any power BECAUSE of the Bijuu's presence. Neither did the databook. Here’s a quick sequence of events, Hagoromo says Naruto has met multiple conditions. Kurama says a lot has happened and now Naruto has chakra from each biju. Kurama then interprets this as Naruto fulfilling a prophecy. Hagoromo agreed. By hagoromo agreeing to kurama, he’s also acknowledging the presence of all 9 biju chakra inside Naruto. Case closed.

LegionZero wrote: Being able to use senjutsu chakra makes one a Sage. Senjutsu literally translates to Sage technique. Orochimaru developer his curse mark after experimenting on anko using his own senjutsu. Orochimaru is not a sage. You are debunked. Just having the chakra of a sage doesn’t make you a sage, more is required. Proven by kabuto during his fight against edo Itachi.

LegionZero wrote: This isnt literal. They received chakra from her but they never depleted/divided her own supply of chakra. Giving birth has never reduced the parents chakra supply. Ever. Kaguya rampaged for nothing confirmed. Smh. Her lost power was because of the birth of her sons. Just like kurama was split in two equal halves, her own power became fragmented.

LegionZero wrote: She rampaged because she was selfish and paranoid.

She was weakened because she was missing portions of each Bijuu, her actual chakra pool. She was missing more than biju chakra during her revival. She was missing much of hagoromo’ chakra and and hamura’ chakra. Hagoromo just gave hisnpowwr to Sasuke and Naruto, recognizing this she immediately lusted after her lost power.

LegionZero wrote: Because they didnt have Juubi chakra. The Juubi was a seperate entity from them and they cant take chakra from the Juubi. The Juubi absorbs all energy it comes into contact with, so they couldnt steal its chakra and it wouldnt give its chakra to to them. If the series doesnt tell us a certain event happened it didnt happen, and the series doesnt tell us they had juubi chakra prior to sealing the Juubi.

The databook gives some info on the 6 Paths seals and none of it involves extranious healing abilities or any of the other feats you attribute to them.

You lack context. You can’t outright state the seals didn’t have rikudo senjutsu. You don’t know that because it remains largely unexplained. You are guessing, as I expected you would.

LegionZero wrote: Except he didnt have or make juubi chakra I addressed this already. Seek out that juubi jinchuriki link above. Naruto in fact had juubi chakra.

LegionZero wrote: He didnt siphon them he released the Bijuu from Gedo and resealed them in their former Jinchuriki.

Obito hadnt begun resurrecting the juubi while he had his 6PoP. It wasnt until after the Edo was released that he resealed them in the Juubi and began the revival process.

@Starscream: Edo Madara didnt have true Rinnegan. At least 1 is necessary to truly control and contain the Juubi.

You’re right about that, but it doesn’t take away form my point because as pointed out by kakashi, the biju were pooling their chakra together for a bijudama.

Maybe if I link to it I won’t be flagged for spamming. Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote: Naruto was(essentially) also a juubi jinchuriki.

This confirms my point and proves me right. Naruto being the juubi jinchuriki gave him access to juubi chakra and is how he awakened rikudo senjutsu. This power was present both times Naruto entered rsm. It is a requirement to enter the mode.