Talk:Kaguya Ōtsutsuki Strikes

Arc names
Ok, since the war is technically still ongoing I propose we add Shinobi World War to the title. The Shinobi World War arc mainly focused on the shinobi revived by the Edo Tensei so I decided to go with Impure World Reincarnation Arc. Keeping it as it is now would be implying that the war is over and that the Ten-Tails was revived sometime after the war. Unless we want to group the arcs into sagas I suggest we have Shinobi World War: Impure World Reincarnation Arc , Shinobi World War: Ten-Tails Revival Arc & Shinobi World War: Return of Madara Arc --DuelMaster93 (talk) 19:55, December 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * First, those names are incredibly wordy; like a Seven Word Title for an arc? Good lord.
 * Second, Arcs have historically been named for the major event that takes place during the arc, not the backdrop. A classic example would be looking at Dragon Ball Z. Look at the Namek Saga, which was followed by the Captain Ginyu Saga, and then the Freeza Saga. Each of these take place on Namek, yet the idea of "Going to/Being on Namek" was only important to the first part. In our case, obviously the the Shinobi World War was based around, the war. The war itself being important ended with the Ten-Tails thus the Ten-Tails Revival Arc and now that chapter has come to an end with the Return of Madara.
 * So basically, no we aren't going to rename these articles and shoehorn the World War into the title because by these arcs while the war is still going on they are not the "focus" so to speak.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 20:24, December 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * well first of all the dragon ball sagas are grouped into smaller groups such as the saiyan group, namek group, androids group & the majin buu group. My second option was to consider sagas. Just like in One Piece how water 7 and enies lobby are both connected to cp9. same with little garden, drum island and alabasta all linked to baroque works.Also sagas and arcs can have the same names such as the thriller bark saga and thriller bark arc. and the skypiea saga and skypiea arc. Like i said before not doing anything about would imply that the war ended. fact of the matter is that these arcs are clearly linked. The Ten-Tails revival and the Return of Madara are just important chapters of the bigger Shinobi World War. Besides, this is only a suggestion.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 21:31, December 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * The decision has been made. There is no need for huge arc names. The Shinobi World War may still be going on, but it is no longer the focal point of the story. Its merely going on in the background. We just got out of the arc focusing on the Ten-Tails, now we're on to Madara, so its named accordingly. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 21:33, December 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * What about "Return of the Ulitmate Evil Arc" Madara appears to be the greatest madman in the story, overashadowing even Orchimaru. 22:40, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Why use "the Ultimate Evil" when you could just use "Madara"?--TheUltimate3 (talk) 22:50, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Arc's Beginning
Shouldn't the arc have technically begun at chapter 655, as that is where the summary starts? KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 22:05, December 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * The arc begins in the chapter Madara Uchiha is Back. 567. That is when the focus shifts fully to Madara. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 22:09, December 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Technically, Madara begins resurrecting in 656. In my opinion, the break should be 655 and 656. 654 is when the tailed beasts are ripped from Obito, effectively ending the existence of the Shinju, which I was going to suggest as the last chapter of the previous arc, but in 655 there's the talk with Obito about ideals and all that friendship, support, regret saccharine that is so completely end of arc. 567 is when Madara becomes alive again, but 566 is when we actually see him. If anything, 655 and 656 are buffer chapters between the arcs, but one better resolves the previous (saccharine talk) and the other kicks the new one in motion (BW taking over Obito to resurrect Madara). Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:33, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry to keep nagging about this, but after careful consideration, I think the arc should start at 656... The arc is called the "Return of Madara Arc". In this chapter, this is when Madara truly returns, as he is alive in the last panel. I think everything after it is more like "Madara's Last Stand" than his return. It's like calling the Ten-Tails Revival Arc it's respected name, however only after the Ten-Tails is revived and starts it's rampage. Also, I think the two-page spread at the end of 655 sort of looks like the end of an arc to me. Also, in 656, this is when Madara truly takes control of the war, as he forces Obito to revive him. These are just my thoughts, take your time and think about it. However, I respect any decision that the community decides. Have a good day! --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 16:57, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * Can we add a poll for the community to decide on the arc's beginning? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 05:11, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * There is no need for the poll. Arcs don't start exactly at the moment of an event. They start at the beginning of a chapter. Madara's revival at on the last panel brought the end of the Ten-Tails Revival arc. The chapter called "Madara Uchiha is Back" starts the Return of Madara arc.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 20:59, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * An example is this is the last arc, the Ten-Tails Revival arc. The Shinobi World War arc ended with Chapter #594 with the Ten-Tails reforming at the last page. After that the arc shifted to the Ten-Tails Revival Arc in chapter the next chapter. The action of the Ten-Tails returning signaled the end of the current arc, not the start of the next.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 21:03, January 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Then based on that fact, I will edit the Return of Madara arc so the first picture and the first paragraph are moved to their right places- the previous arc. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 21:18, January 4, 2014 (UTC)

"The Final Battle" Headline Change
I propose we change the Final Battle headline, as it seems like we are entering the Infinite Tsukuyomi... I don't think the final battle will begin until after the jutsu is broken. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 10:32, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Probably. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:24, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess I should clarify- is the Prelude to the Infinite Tsukuyomi an acceptable title? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 22:48, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

New Arc?
If next chapter focuses on the Infinite Tsukuyomi's activation and it being used on the whole world, then shouldn't it be a new arc? I mean, Madara's goal was to complete the Eye of the Moon Plan, and now he seems to have done it, so should we consider this the end of this arc and perhaps next week create a new one, like "Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc" or something like that? Let's see what happens next week, but this is just a suggestion. --Chrillbill (talk) 18:52, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * It depends on how the series progresses... I don't think we should be too hasty, as the Return of Madara Arc is not that far in yet, and so it would seem very sudden to create a new arc already. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 18:56, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * I too think that it's too early to call it another arc, even if IT happens. What I can see happening instead is, if a great enough portion of the arc does end up happening inside IT, that the arc should be renamed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:59, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, fair enough. We'll see what happens in the upcoming chapters. What would be a good new name for this arc if we get a lot of IT? I mean, a lot of stuff has happened in this arc already so I can't really think of fitting name. --Chrillbill (talk) 19:09, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * If a significant part of the arc ends up being IT, let's arbitrarily say, for the sake of argument, two thirds, just rename it "Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc". If not, either keep the current name, or a new, more balanced name can be proposed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:22, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

We should just wait and honestly I don't think the fourth war arc should have two or three arcs in it. It already has one that isn't really needed. M a s a s h I never called it separate arcs.Munchvtec (talk) 16:05, May 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course not, no databooks covering the story beyond Itachi Pursuit Arc, and the reason we don't still call it Shinobi World War arc is because we want to make the arc pages manageable. In an unrelated note, why do you that thing where you put spaces between every letter of a word? It's really puzzling. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:31, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

An auto correct on my kindle makes me I've said this many times already, I only have access to a kindle sometimes so that's why it sometimes happens. Munchvtec (talk) 16:42, May 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Uh, looking up "kindle" in this wiki, not counting the mention in this page, there were only three mentions of it, two in a specific user's talk page, so not exactly many. Anyway, regarding the arc, I agree, we should wait and see how it plays out. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:18, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

Alright then we wait.Munchvtec (talk) 17:35, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

Name of arc
I think that saying that this arc is about the Return of Madara was always a sketch, but now that Madara has been incapacitated i suggest a name change for this arc. The current name only reflects the first part of the arc.

I personally suggest "Eye of the Moon Arc" or "Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc", or, this being a more methaphoric title, "Infinite Dream Arc". What do you guys think Costeavladalexandru (talk) 15:12, May 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm in favor for "Infinite Tsukuyomi arc" but we also have to take into consideration over how massive the main characters' articles are becoming and act from that as not to overload them. --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 15:19, May 28, 2014 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 * Renaming the entire arc would be foolish. The arc centered on Madara's return and flaunting his power up until the last chapter, in which the Infinite Tsukuyomi was finally cast. If anything, it should be split into another arc from here, as the story is clearly shifting focus again. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 15:20, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * 4 (or 5) arcs for 1 war? No thanks. Yes this arc is about the return of madara, but just his return wouldn't matter. What this arc is about is his [I]plan[/I]. And making a new arc would mean this arc is very small. The focus didnt change, it is about the eye of the moon. What did change is the fact that Zetsu was revealed to be the actual final villain (for now at least) Costeavladalexandru (talk) 15:28, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * It should probably be renamed. Flaunting his power and the like is fine and dandy, but if the real meat of the arc is the Infinite Tsukuyomi, no matter who is the one in control of it, it should be renamed to reflect that. Adding to that, the last arc lasted two years, and the arc before that was also two years. Seems unlikely (and could potentially get a lot more clustery) declaring this arc done after what barely five months?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 15:33, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Story arcs don't work like that though. They're only around as long as their plot is around. Madara wasn't even trying to activate his plan until Naruto and Sasuke started getting a tad bit too strong for his tastes. Up until last chapter, nothing in this arc was about the Mugen Tsukuyomi. It was all about Madara waving his wand around now that he'd returned to life. I would never advocate renaming an arc after a plan that has only been on display for two chapters. Sometimes story arcs are shorter than others. And as to @Costeavladalexandru (what a mouthful), the war kinda stopped being the focus when the Allied Forces were rendered fodder and the protagonists started doing all the fighting... which was about two-three years ago. So, yeah. Not really worried about how many arcs you think there should be. The plot is shifting away from Madara, so, if there is a change to be made, its changing the arc; not the name. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 15:59, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Technically the entire war arcs have been about the Infinite Tsukuyomi. But I digress, if we start breaking arcs into specific battles, we are in for one hell of a time. Otherwise, every individual battle could be classified as it's own arc, hence why this particular arc, depending on how next week plays it, could (and in my opinion should) be renamed to something more ambiguous of a individual.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 16:05, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you misunderstand me. I'm not suggesting we split off the arc. I only made that suggestion because that's better than renaming an entire story arc after a plot device that has only been present for two chapters, and is already in the process of being countered. That's why it'd probably be best to wait for a few more chapters to make a decision. To be honest, none of us expected this twist, and anything could happen. Its premature and naive to rename the arc or split it off at this point. For all we know, Madara could pull an Obito and resist Black Zetsu's control. The suggestion that Black Zetsu will be the "final villain", is a bit premature on the part of those suggesting it. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 16:09, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

While i kinda agree with you, it is still ridiculous to have a 20 chapters arc (or less). If anything, those 20 chapters should either be added to "infinite tsukuyomi arc" or to "Ten Tail Revival Arc".--Costeavladalexandru (talk) 16:11, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Lol at the "being present for 2 chapters" part. The eye of the moon plan was what caused the war in the first place--Costeavladalexandru (talk) 16:13, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Cause, yes. Focus, no. Its only been active for two chapters, therefore it has only been present for two chapters. Secondly, to suggest that a "20 chapter story arc" is ridiculous is to be ignorant of literature entirely. Story arcs can last anywhere from four or five chapters, to a couple of hundred. They are story arcs, meaning they are dependent on the focus of the plot over a certain span of chapters. The Infinite Tsukuyomi was only a pipe dream in Madara and Obito's crazy little heads until two chapters ago, prior to which, the focus of the plot was the fact that Madara Uchiha—a man who was feared by the world—had returned to life, which he proceeded to use to beat the living hell out of everyone around him, pretty much for his own amusement. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 16:19, May 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hence why I said both "depending on what we learn next week" and "ambiguous of an individual". Infinite Tsukuyomi, even if it get's countered and what not would be better than a Return of X title. Hell if Kaguya does come back, we could go the Hidan and Kakazu arc route and name it like that. Who knows.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 16:25, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

I think it's nonsense to say that the current arc is over and a new one began. There has not been enough plot/events/chapters. This will probably play out like around chapter 400 and something. Back then, just after we had learned the truth about Itachi, and Sasuke was hunting for Killer B, we thought that would be an actual arc, and if I'm not mistaken, we had an actual article called "Hunt for the Eight-Tails" or something similar. Obviously that simply became part of another arc once it became clear that it was just part of something larger. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:34, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think if Madara is killed or incapacitated, and if he stays that way for the next five chapters, then I think the arc should be renamed or a new arc should begin. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 00:49, June 1, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. Madara is officially dead. GG Madara. But anyway we either rename the arc or make a new one now. --Costeavladalexandru (talk) 07:06, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

I've got two ideas for a name: Rebirth of the Rabbit Goddess or Eye of the Moon Plan Complete. Thoughts?--Hockey Machete (talk) 07:11, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Both are kinda long. 5 words for an arc? The longest arc names are 3 words. I personally suggest the obvious, "Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc". Either that or make Infinite Tsukuyomi a new arc,starting from 677<nowiki --Costeavladalexandru (talk) 07:21, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Well, given that the characters most likely not getting out of the Infinite Tsukuyomi for some time, I second the motion to name Infinite Tsukuyomi. Anyone else?--Hockey Machete (talk) 07:30, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

You know what? DO whatever you want! But

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That is a total lie. But whatwver.

If you want you can make a chapter where madara is dead be in the Return of Madara Arc. But what is next? Listing Pakuun as a sharingan user? Or Kiba as a hokage? This is just stupid. You said i need more discussion, i made a forum post,you closed it. Anyway i am out. Bye --Costeavladalexandru (talk) 08:53, June 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * Take care, but the topic in the forum was closed because this topic exists right here.
 * Anyway, yeah now we know Kaguya is back and now raising all kinds of hell, so the name should be changed to something less Madara.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 09:31, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * @Costeavladalexandru If you're going to act like that, please be on your merry way and don't let the door hit on the way out. Erasing all the discussion on this talk page was also a brainless move. Anyway, agree, less Madara-centric name is necessary. It'll probably be Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc, even if a few characters are released from it, since this is a continental-scale genjutsu. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 11:32, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * i did that by accident. I restored i immediatly. I think--Costeavladalexandru (talk) 11:46, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree that the name should be less Madara too. ~ IndxcvNovelist →talk • contribs • watty← 11:39, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc looks a good name for this article since Madara was planning and struggling to achieve it. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 11:50, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

I suggest we will let the creator Masashi Kishimoto decide what the name of this arc really is even though he thinks that the current arc's name is Shinobi World War Arc that started from Chapter 515.So its best we should ask the creator what is the real name of this arc and one more thing this is going to be the final arc and naruto is about to "End" in 2014 as evident with "the final battle" tagline at the end of chapter 673 and "the end begins" tagline at the end of chapter 679.Johnny1234343 (talk) 14:14, June 4, 2014 (UTC)Johnny1234343Johnny1234343 (talk) 14:14, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Creators don't typically name arcs. In fact they are made purely for simplicity sake for the fans by the fans. As far as the author is concerned, this is Part II of Naruto. Breaking it down into little segments is for fans to make crap much much easier to deal with. So no, we aren't going to ask Kishimoto, not like we could anyway.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 14:22, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

I don't get it, what needs to happen in order for his arc to bw renamed? Cause from what i have seen everyone agrees with renaming this arc "Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc". So?--Costeavladalexandru (talk) 16:31, June 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * i think that the Infinite tsukuyomi arc is a good name also Munchvtec (talk) 16:31, June 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * So, everyone agrees? --Costeavladalexandru (talk) 16:39, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

How about "Return of Kaguya Arc"? Would that not be a good name? Though Infinite Tsukuyomi has happened already, Kaguya -- during the IT, just like Madara -- during the 4th shinobi world war, is back to the world of the living. WindStar7125 (talk) 17:32, June 4, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125
 * Cannot have a name. Part of the reason we are having this discussion is because the arc had Madara's name when we thought he would be the primary focus.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 17:40, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Damn Kishi.
 * I'd suggest waiting for next week's chapter to see what will happen next, since neither Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc doesn't nor Return of Madara/Kaguya Arc fit as a name
 * Or let the name stay as "Return of Madara" arc then make another arc.
 * I was surprised that we name the arcs.
 * ~ IndxcvNovelist →talk • contribs • watty← 17:41, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why doesnt Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc fit?--Costeavladalexandru (talk) 17:46, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm still a little confused here, but this is my reason/opinion. I don't think the genjutsu was the focus of the arc. Majority of its chapter is about Madara's strength. The story's changing its direction already, and Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc wasn't the big deal anymore. It's now about Kaguya's revival. Again, it's just my opinion. :) ~ IndxcvNovelist →talk • contribs • watty← 17:52, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * this topic really needs to be on the forums, I cannot contribute because of stupid edit conflicts. In short, the arc should be renamed and subarcs should be made for each attempt by Madara and Kaguya. --Speysider Talk Page 17:56, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * tell that to the guy who closed my thread about this on the wiki forums--Costeavladalexandru (talk) 17:58, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'd rather have a discussion like this in a place where all the edits can easily be seen. A very minor conflict inconvenience won't kill the lot of you. Most appear to be in agreement. Who has control of the Bot so we can make this hell easier.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 18:06, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Edit conflicts mean five comments are brought to your attention before you actually make yours instead of nothing indicating they were done. Also, what TU3 said. Bless the bots. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:20, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Except I'm editing on an iPad and the fact Wikia does not use a mobile skin means I can't copy my message if an edit conflict occurs, nor can my iPad keep that much data loaded at once. --Speysider Talk Page 18:25, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * And that my friend, is an iPad problem. Not a Naruto Wiki problem. Again, I would much rather have easily followed histories than the history mess the forums have. But that is another topic for another place. This is about the name of the Arc. So I ask again, who runs the Bots?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 18:27, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

UltimateSupreme has a bot if I'm not mistaken. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:28, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah he has. ~ IndxcvNovelist →talk • contribs • watty← 18:37, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

This situation reminds me of Search for Tsunade. The first part of that arc was about Itachi,while the rest was about Tsunade. But in the beggining of the arc it was known Naruto and Jiraya are looking after Tsunade. So i suggest to do the same thing: 1 arc containing both parts. Maybe there could be a mention that "The first part of this arc is sometimes called the Return of Madara Arc".--Costeavladalexandru (talk) 18:28, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't add your message in between.
 * In that case, just like you said, at the beginning of the arc, it's been stated that it's about search for Tsunade, so that seems fine. Still about Tsunade.
 * This arc's more tricky, though.
 * ~ IndxcvNovelist →talk • contribs • watty← 18:32, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not like we didn't know why Madara revived at the beggining. --Costeavladalexandru (talk) 18:34, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's spelled "beginning." Anyway, so everyone considers the "Return of Madara Arc/Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc/Return of Kaguya Arc" to be the same arc? WindStar7125 (talk) 19:29, June 4, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125
 * English is not my first language. And i think so, yeah. Maybe except ndxcvNovelist, who isn't sure.--Costeavladalexandru (talk) 19:37, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * I also think this should be renamed Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc or Eye of the Moon Arc. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 22:53, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Has it been decided to keep or rename the current arc (I'm confused with all the clutter)? I say keep it because ever since he was revived, Madara was the focus until the last chapter. In other news, I vote in favor of a new arc starting from Chapter 678 and onwards named "Kaguya's Revival" or something much more creative since Madara has "stopped existing" for the time being. --Questionaredude (talk) 00:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

I think you guys should try my policy when it comes to Naruto chapters- I call it "The Five Chapter Policy." Before any drastic decisions are made, for instance determining a new arc or if a character is dead or not, wait five chapters and see if it is ever addressed. In five chapters, if Madara is still incapacitated/dead/whatever, then either rename the arc or create a new arc. We still don't know if this is the true end of Madara, even if it appears to be. I just say let's wait five chapters and see how things turn out... Not that my word really means anything, though. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 01:19, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Questionaredude, about making a new arc, refer to my previous comments on arc length. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:32, June 5, 2014 (UTC) So,will it be renamed or not? I am confused--Costeavladalexandru (talk) 03:25, June 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * If I may lend a machete to this intellectual thicket, how about considering what Kishi said in a past interview? He said, and I quote, the rest of the story will be "About the Ten Tails, about Madara, and then, about Sasuke". Now, we've already gotten past the first part, with the Ten Tails Revival arc. Now we have Return of Madara arc. Kishi himself pretty laid it all out for us. The Ten Tails is a different plot focus. And Madara is a different plot focus. Soon enough, so will Sasuke. When the plot focus shifts, then it is appropriate to change the name of an arc. It'd be incredibly foolish to just lump together the entire Shinobi war arc, the Ten Tails arc, and the Return of Madara arc together. Why even call them arcs at that point? Just split them into "Part I" and "Part II", and be done with it. But I'm getting off-track. Since we still haven't gotten to Sasuke as a focus, I still believe it's way too soon to dismiss the current happenings with Kaguya as being something not belonging to an arc named after Madara. For all you know, in two chapters, we'll see Madara fighting for control over Kaguya, or he'll try to help Naruto and Sasuke, or you never know, but since we're still in the "about Madara" plot focus, it's still way too soon to tell based on this one chapter. That being said, I still don't see any harm in simply calling the current arc, "Kaguya's Rebirth arc", since, really, where is the harm in that? When the manga ends or reaches a totally different plot focus, it can be changed later to a more suiting name, but for right now? You might as well just call it that, or leave it as "Return of Madara arc" and be done with it, I mean really, it isn't rocket science guys. We're not solving world hunger here. --Silver-Haired Seireitou (talk) 03:38, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * nobody said anything of combining return of madara with ten tails revival. And what harm would it be in naming this arc "Infinite Tsukuyomi and if the story shifts focus we can make a new arc --Costeavladalexandru (talk) 11:11, June 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * The problem with naming it the "Infinite Tsukuyomi arc" is that it is entirely misleading and has nothing to do with the current plot focus. The Infinite Tsukuyomi has been a plot point ever since Obito first announced the plan to the Five Kages and declared war on them. That is just a single plot point, albeit a major one, granted, but doesn't explain what makes this arc any different from the Return of Madara arc. Or the Ten Tails Revival arc. THAT is the harm in it, it's entirely misleading and doesn't account for what the plot shift is in this case. If we're adamant about giving this, the current plot focus, a new arc name, a "Kaguya's Rebirth arc" or something to that effect is the most fitting. --Silver-Haired Seireitou (talk) 21:45, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Does it really? Considering that the arc is in the beginning, and assuming that it won't pull a Fourth Shinobi World War, which is still technically happening, a very good reason to name it like that is that it'll take place during IT. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:12, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which, when will the arc's name finally be changed? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 00:19, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm concerned, the majority is clearly ok with "Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc", all it needs is the actual move, which is currently sysop protected because someone was moving it before there was even a discussion. And ideally the move should happen around the time the bot to change the arc's name through the wiki does its job. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:05, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Very well, then... So it will be the "Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc" eh? Not too crazy about it, as it seems a bit generic and unimaginative, but I was never too fond of the title "Return of Madara Arc" either, and it doesn't really matter what the name is, but more of what occurs in the arc, and so it doesn't really matter what it's called in the grand scheme of things... --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 03:05, June 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * You might as well lump together the Ten Tails Revival arc and the Shinobi World War arc together with that too, since, you know, the former arc is about the Ten Tails which is necessary to use the Infinite Tsukuyomi and the latter arc is the battle fought over stopping the plan. Because it's the same shoddy logic you are following in this case. I didn't know "majority" these days counts for half, or rather less than half, but I guess if it didn't, Obama wouldn't be in office. The arc name being changed just because the Infinite Tsukuyomi is currently in effect doesn't make enough sense to replace the title of an arc focusing on Madara's revival and the plot focus shifting onto him. Furthermore, the jutsu didn't even TAKE effect until about two or three chapters ago, while the formerly named "Return of Madara arc" is almost twenty chapters. Seriously, why not just lump together the other two arcs too? It's the exact same argument. Once the Ten Tails was revived, the Infinite Tsukuyomi plan was finally getting underway. A plan like this doesn't just start all of a sudden, it's been active ever since Obito's declaration to the Five Kages, but apparently logic is being totally ignored right now and I'm wasting my time challenging it, so whatever. --Silver-Haired Seireitou (talk) 14:18, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * You brought up Obama. Lawl. Congratulations you made the list. But yeah, it's done.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 14:50, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * And the Search for Tsunade Arc wasn't even about Tsunade until like the middle. It has been done before, chill--Costeavladalexandru (talk) 15:28, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * And yet, the entire Search for Tsunade arc's plot focus was, surprise surprise, about finding Tsunade. Check your facts before talking. --Silver-Haired Seireitou (talk) 03:25, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

Arc over?
Should we create a new arc for everything that happens after Kaguya's defeat? Like the "Sasuke's Revolution Arc" or something? It feels like the Infinite Tsukuyomi arc is over. --Mandon (talk) 19:51, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is enough content to make another arc yet, but if it becomes longer, than yes, maybe a new arc should be created. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 20:12, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Are there not still people trapped in the Infinite Tsukuyomi? ~SnapperTo 16:44, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's no longer the focus of the story though. Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc was a fitting name because it's all about the fight to stop the people behind it (Madara, Kaguya) and save the world from it by defeating them. The Infinite Tsukuyomi may be active but now it's set in stone that everyone trapped within it will be freed, so it's no longer the prime threat, Sasuke is. --Mandon (talk) 22:12, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * It must be cool to know what's going to happen in the future. ~SnapperTo 22:33, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't be sarcastic, Snapper. Kishimoto confirmed that himself. The last three arcs will be "about the Ten-Tails, of Madara, and dealing with Sasuke". The arc is shifting focus again. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 22:52, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * My point remains. He says everyone ' s going to be freed and that the Infinite Tsukuyomi will no longer pose a [primary] threat. These are unsupported claims. ~SnapperTo 23:04, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * And entirely irrelevant since he was correct that the Infinite Tsukuyomi is not the focus of the incoming arc. The battle between Naruto and Sasuke is as Kishimoto has been saying for quite awhile now. His original point is that a new arc should be made to reflect this and he is correct. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 23:19, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * So what do you propose, TTF? Should a new arc be created, or should we wait for more until we start a new arc? Your argument does make a lot of sense, and you've convinced me that it is time create a new arc since the focus of the story is shifting to Sasuke. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 03:15, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Bump. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 19:06, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

Yes it's admittedly conjecture, Snapper, but here's my logic. The prime focus of the past several arcs has been stopping Madara's plan from succeeding, but now everyone that had any involvement in that plan is either dead or sealed. The only one who's a threat to the world in the current context of the story is Sasuke, and he's an entirely new threat with an entirely new plan, hence my original point.. the focus has changed drastically, and Sasuke already said he would free everyone from the Infinite Tsukuyomi after he executes the Five Kage, so no matter who wins, everyone gets freed. So I stand by what I said, it's no longer the prime threat. And of course Kishi confirmed it, like TTF pointed out. So it's done, arc's over. We should make a new one. --Mandon (talk) 19:39, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Since Sasuke wants to kill a couple people, that would preclude "everyone's" liberation. So that was my being anal. As for Infinite Tsukuyomi not being a threat, who's to say Sasuke won't make some desperate use of the chakra network during the battle? And then he accidentally kills Sakura in the process and feels horrible about it and that's the end of it all. Which was the reason for my second anal-ity; none of us know for certain what is and isn't over.
 * My main point, though, is the lines between arcs have been very fluid. Ten-Tails was still a threat after its arc, Madara was a threat before his own. You don't know where exactly the next arc is going to fully assert itself. Waiting a certain amount of time before splitting things off into a new arc will harm nobody.
 * I'd also like to avoid having to rename the arc again, which is easier to do with more material. "Sasuke's Revolution" may sound good now, but it may be completely inappropriate a month from now. ~SnapperTo 20:05, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

As I suggested below in the rename topic, "Yin-Yang Arc" seems a suitable name now, given the beginning of this arc, the Sage entrusted the Yin and Yang chakras of Asura and Indra to Naruto and Sasuke and the main combatants of this arc possess those chakras. Sorry it's hard for me to put into words. And no Munch, "The Final Arc" would never work. And it isn't necessary to create another arc page for Sasuke going against Naruto unless it's more than 30 chapters, which it won't be. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 20:51, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

Yes but the problem with that argument is that the Ten Tails wasn't the focus after it's arc, and Madara wasn't the focus before his own arc. Naruto vs Sasuke is the focus of this arc, not the Infinite Tsukuyomi. Even if in some hypothetical scenario Sasuke was somehow able to siphon the chakra of the people locked in the I.T, it still wouldn't be the focus of the arc.. that's the point I'm trying to make. There's no scenario where it does become the focus again since Madara is dead, Kaguya is sealed, and Sasuke has been fighting to stop the I.T up until now. --Mandon (talk) 21:49, September 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't say they are the focus, rather the chakra they possess. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 21:39, September 17, 2014 (UTC)\

Bump. --Mandon (talk) 18:48, September 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm all for a new arc. Though maybe it would be best to wait a little longer. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 20:24, September 21, 2014 (UTC)

I'm reviving this topic. After this chapter (693), I am 100% convinced it is time for a new arc. In fact, I think we have enough to start the new arc right now. I can go more into detail about why this is if you want me too. But first, let me point this out- not every arc has to have 30+ chapters. The first arc consisted of only eight. Therefore, no matter how long the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight is (plus whatever follows after), the amount of chapters should not be taken into consideration. Let me know your thoughts. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 17:57, September 25, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah it's honestly a no brainer that a new arc should be added. We just need to get more people in on this so we can come to a decision. --Mandon (talk) 19:21, September 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * No, this is not the beginning of a new arc. This isn't going to be an arc long fight. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 19:27, September 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that the arc would be dedicated to the fight, but everything after the fight as well. This fight revolves around the future of the shinobi world. That includes the release of the Infinite Tsukuyomi, Naruto becoming Hokage, and everything else that follows after this fight. Essentially, it is the "final arc." I have an entire argument that supports my point. I'll either post it here tomorrow, or I may create a thread on the Wiki Discussion Board. Overall, the story is moving towards the end now- this upcoming fight is just the beginning of the end. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 02:47, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

Rename again??
Due to the recent events, this arc sounds like a "Yin-Yang Arc" to me. Seems more suitable now. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 22:34, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

hmmm...no i don't think so. It should be something like "The Final Arc". Munchvtec (talk) 01:43, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * No reason to change it yet. If the plot develops to the point where it should be changed, then we will deal with it when the time comes. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 02:37, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

ok then. Munchvtec (talk) 02:39, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

On a related note, should the subheading "Sasuke's Revolution" be changed to something like the "Final Battle" or the "Battle of Destiny"- something relating to the fact that Naruto vs Sasuke is most likely the final battle of the series? After all, there is no real "revolution", that is just Sasuke's end goal. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 02:43, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

i kinda already stated that above though. But yeah i agree. Munchvtec (talk) 02:46, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Tabview-Style Arc
SuperSajuuk has come up with an intersting idea of how to organize the last three arcs of the war: a tabview style arc article, called Fate of the Future Arc? The article would basically include the contents of multiple arc's as one overarching arc. The said article would not be copy/pasting the actual articles, only including them on an overall page and would be freely editable as before. It combines everything into one and makes it easier for readers to find things (since the initial start to the war, the revival of madara, the Infinite Tsukuyomi and Kaguya's revival are all really one big arc of itself). I'm all for it- how does everyone else feel about this option? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 18:24, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Just so people know what I'm talking about here, I made this sandbox that would showcase what we'd be looking at doing: User:SuperSajuuk/Sandbox/FOTFArc --Sajuuk Talk Page 18:33, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't care what you people do with this arc fiasco anymore so this'll be my only comment on the subject; I think that is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard this week. Has it really gotten to the point that if a "Future of the World arc" isn't being made the next logical step would be to "lets make a Super Arc where we put everything in" thing? I mean, if that's the case why not just save the trouble of the stupid this could cause and just flat out ask "Lets combine the War Arc, Ten-Tails arc, and IT arc into one large arc"? If you all decide to go ahead with this tab thing go ahead, I would suggest making real use of it and combine all the arcs while we are at it, but that's just me.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 18:59, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * That would be pointless. These last arcs all have an overarching purpose, which no other arc's in the series have. So that would lead to unnecessary conclusion. If you can't give reasonable responses and resort to ridicule, there's no point commenting. --Sajuuk Talk Page 19:02, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * I didn't ridicule anyone. Just the idea.
 * Also, Introduction + Land of Waves arc fit the overarching purpose of getting us to know the main characters, their skill set, and a brief idea of their character goals. In short, introductions.
 * Chunin Exam Arc + Invasion of Konoha + Search for Tsunade, the beginning of the invasion, the invasion itself, and it's after math. If you wanted to get anal about it, the Search for Tsunade could be under the umbrella of Search for Tsunade + Sasuke Retrevial because it is a clear beginning (Sasuke starts to go nuts) to end (Sasuke goes off the wall and defects.)
 * Kazekage Rescue Arc + Sasuke Sai Arc pretty much do the same thing as the Introduction + Land of Waves arcs did for Part I; reintroduce the characters after the time skip, continuation of the crisis Part I ended with.
 * Hidan and Kakuzu + Itachi Pursuit Arc + Invasion of Pain, all Akatsuki focused arcs. Nuff said.
 * Kage Summit + Confining the Jinchuriki, again nuff said. The beginning of cause and the build of of the Shinobi World War arc. Hell if u want to get anal again, you could actually add the Shinobi World War arc right here to give it its lovely and overarching Beginning, Middle, and End.
 * Then that leaves the Ten-Tails and the Infinite Tsukuyomi and whatever arc you want to put in because reasons.
 * See, really simple really.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 19:13, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's amazing how quickly things can get out of hand here... --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 01:41, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * I know right? Anyway, back to topic at hand, I do find it hilarious how every suggestion I put forward almost always results in little discussion or results in a lot of pointless attacking of my suggestions. Heh. Heheheh.
 * If nobody has any complaints about this or opposes the idea (without mocking the idea), speak now ;) --Sajuuk Talk Page 11:49, October 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * TU3 makes a reasonable point; why only tab these three articles? You can tab all of the arcs into Plot of Naruto and arguably have the same benefits.
 * Also, "Fate of the Future Arc" is a terrible name for the wiki to use. ~SnapperTo 15:36, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

"Infinite Tsukuyomi Arc" --> "Final Arc"
Over on another discussion, I was talking with Cerez, Windy, and Snapper about changing the name of this arc. After some debate, it was decided amongst the three of us that it would be best to rename this to the "Final Arc." I want to check to see if there is any resistance before officially changing the name. How does everyone feel about this change? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 01:01, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * No resistance whatsoever. :D Also, be mindful that if we decide to change the name, we're gonna have to contact UltimateSupreme to use his bot to change the name around the wiki. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 01:08, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree changing it to "Final Arc". ~ IndxcvNovelist →talk • contribs • watty← 08:17, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * I will message him now and ask him about the change. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 16:24, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * Not just yet. We should wait for other sysops, rollbacks and contributors. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 16:26, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, too late. This may just result in people hopefully leaving their thoughts sooner... --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 16:31, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

I would be fine with this.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 16:39, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * ^^How nice. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 16:40, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Just curious- is there anything we can do beforehand to make the change while waiting for UltimateSupreme to use his "bot" or whatnot? What exactly does he need to do? I apologize if I'm asking some kind of an obvious question- I'm not too familiar with all the technicalities of managing a wiki and it's tools... --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 03:02, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * No. We wait. A bot is on the wiki to fix mistakes. A bot is kind of like the "Find and Replace" feature on Microsoft Office. However, using the bot too much can slow not only the user's account down, but the wiki down as well. So it is recommended that a person with a bot creates a separate account (for example, UltimateSupreme has a second account by the name of "UltimateSupremeBot" for the sole purpose of using the bot) and not use it too often. Let's say the phrase "Nine-Tails" is all around the wiki, and it appears on the wiki 500 times. A bot can find all those 500 instances and replace them with "Kurama" instead, rather than us having to go to every single article and manually replacing every single appearance of the phrase "Nine-Tails" by typing in "Kurama," for that would take a long time to do. So no, like Sasuke told Sakura "there's nothing [we] can do." We just wait for Ulti-Super to do his work. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 04:29, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * okay, it might be too late, but what did you think of my Revolution arc name idea? If it's still possible make that the title, cause just think, revolution. Let me know what you think. Justin Holland (talk) 04:44, October 12, 2014 (UTC)