Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-44437908-20200507051002/@comment-6769189-20200513111220

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Ya but he had kurama's chakra so that is out of question he should have used his own or something like that. Fair but he is capable of doing it on his own

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

In boruto anime kakashi used mud wall against nue and boruto anime is cannon Cool i didnt argue that. But the time between the Nue fight and the Pain fight is like 15 years in universe and in real life over 5 years?

Are we really gonna sit here and say Kakashi's typical moveset is super diverse because he has a move that he uses in some fights years apart from eachother?

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

In sarada arc sasuke used fireball against shin uchiha And when was the last time he used it before that? Something like 15 in-universe years beforehand against Itachi?

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Ya but compared to main character sakura didn't do anything great she relied too much on naruto she was like hinata. Unlike Hinata at the time, Sakura couldnt use her full power and had to stay on the sideline as a medic. It wasnt until the War Arc that Sakura reached her potential

Make up your mind about the metric you want to judge her by. You cant sit here an knock her for her combative abilities if you just consider her a medic

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

She hasn't surpassed tsunade nor anime neither manga confirms it. Hashirama said that she possesses monstrous strength more than tsunade but it doesn't mean she surpassed her. Surpassed her in strength and surpassed her in chakra. She matches her is poisons and medical prowess. So far, Sakura is ahead of her. At the age of 16.

Also the 4th databook confirmed it.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

In fight against kaguya both kakashi and sakura did some things but sasuke and naruto was main. Sakura was key to finding Sasuke in Kaguya's dimension. He would have died in that desert without her.

Kaguya would have escaped the final sealing if it wasnt for Sakura.

The series would have ended at multiple points of not for Sakura. Stop downplaying her importance/abilities

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Ya that happens with all main character but naruto relies too much on kurama Kakashi relied too much on Obito's Sharingan

Sasuke relied too much on Itachi's Sharingan.

But again they seem to get passes from you

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

But ashura got spsm directly from hagoromo which should have made him too much strong which didn't that means indra was stronger than him. It is unclear what Ashura got from Hagoromo. He isnt listed as a SPSM or TSB user in the databook

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

I am not praising sasuke nor his abilities he has used fire jutsu some times in manga. You only compare him to Sasuke like Sasuke is better.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Naruto in part 1 got rasengan and its varient and rasenshuriken in part 2 and it's varient. He has not learned new jutsu which uses wind style and frog kata is taijutsu tech. Frog Kata is Senjutsu. He did learn new techniques. He learned Bijuudama and Tailed Beast Mode.

Nothing wrong with him having a bunch of varients. Even Sasuke/Kakashi mainly use varients of their abilities.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Ya he uses shadow clones and transformation in battle in his different way but still no new nature transformation technique that doesn't have rsengan for base. He used mud wall in boruto manga and that's all. Again, so what? Naruto using his moveset in new and creative ways is just as impressive as knowing a bunch of different jutsu and natures that he will use every 6 fights with years between uses.

Also by the end he used Boil, Magnet, and Lava release.

90% of Sasuke's moveset is Chidori/Chidori based and covering stuff with Amaterasu

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Ya sasuke got ems from itachi but right now if sasuke had his original eyes in war and got hagoromo chakra he would still be op as his blindness would be gone. Dude if he had his original eyes he never would have met Hagoromo. He would have died or retired. Never would have got involves in the war, Obito would have won. The world would have been Infinite Tsukuyomi'd and Kaguya would have been revived. Everyone would have become white Zetsu.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Ya most important event was kurama attack on konoha but if we consider uchiha vs senju and uzumaki then ya uchiha has more importance. If the Uchiha were more important then the Massacre wouldnt be dependant on the Kyuubi attack.

If the Uchiha were more important then an Uchiha would have been the Kyuubi Jinchuriki.

If the Uchiha were more important Sasuke would have been the focus of the Akatsuki

If the Uchiha were more important, Sasuke would have saved the village from Gaara and Pain

If the Uchiha were more important, Sasuke would have been at the center of 4th Shinobi World War, and inspired everyone to fight on, and gave chakra to the remainder of the army.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Ya uzumaki massacre was explained in one episode and we get full novel on uchiha massacre. We got an novel on Itachi that covered his childhood up until the massacre because all the rest was detailed in the manga.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

There were 4 strong uchiha 2 were also strong but didn't have too much time but if not for shisui's eyes then kabuto would never have been stopped. .... so? If not for Naruto the eye would have never been used to free Itachi.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

But only 1 naruto uzumaki and 2 senju were strong tsunade is from senju but not that much strong compared hashi and tobi. Way to downplay Tsunade and all her accomplishments. You are hyping Tobirama too much. He paled in comparison to Hashirama.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Kushina and karin was strong too. And there was one uzumaki who was strong and that was nagato. Im a little confused by this statement. Do you consider Kushina and Karin strong or not? Because that would make 6 strong Senju-Uzumaki by your statemants

Nagato was fairly average until he got his Madara's Rinnegan.

Kushina could hold back full strength Kurama while dying

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

But we got to see whole uchiha clan who survived uptil there massacre which happened in part 1, Dude we saw literally 4 living Uchiha. You really going to tell me the 99% of the Uchiha who died in the massacre were important to anything that happened in the series? Most of them were faceless and nameless.

Being alive does not mean being important. Kiba is alive but not important. Choji's unimportant ass is alive. Anko lived and she isnt important. Ten Ten is alive but sure as hell is not important.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

senju clan was not mentioned after konoha formation. The Senju clans philosophy/ideology, the Will of Fire only passed down the village leaders for 5 generations after the Senju name disappeared.

Senju clan only created the 1st ninja vilage.

A Senju only evenly distributed the power of the Bijuu

A senju only created the first ninja acadamies, Anbu, and Chunnin exams

A Senju only created the justu that gave Obito an army in the 4SWW

Uzumaki clan only kept Kurama in the control of Konoha for like, 100 years

Uzumaki clan was only responsible for the jutsu that stopped the Kyuubi attack on the village

Uzumaki clan was only responsible for the jutsu that allowed the Hiruzen to save the village from Orochimaru

Uzumaki clan was only responsible for the mask that freed the 1st 4 Hokage from the reaper and turned the tide of the 4SWW

Tsunade only kept Naruto from dying in Part 1

Tsunade only created the medical ninja system and policies used by Konoha

An Uzumaki only destroyed Konoha. That same Uzumaki only brought all of the villagers back to life

An Uzumaki only helped Naruto tame Kurama.

Senju/Uzumaki are SOOO unimportant but look at how they have a lasting impact throughout the Naruto world.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

If we were to match reincarnations against each other hashirama will beat naruto if we take kyubi out of equation 6 Paths Naruto? No. He damn near killed Juubidara while cloakless SPSM

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Ya but naruto cannot use truth seeker orbs without going into KCM. TSB are not part of KCM.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Let's compare Hashirama Spsm vs Naruto spsm but no kyubi and madara 2 rinnegan and saauke 2 rinnegan both hands who will win in these two fights. Naruto has hashicells for his hand but still cannot use wood style. And if you say there is no strong opponent then read boruto manga and understand that jigen is strongest. There are literal unquantifiable variables here. There arent statements or feats for non-6 Paths base Naruto or non-6 Paths base Sasuke. We dont have statements or feats for living Rinnegan Madara

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Ya but I am not talking pre six paths after six paths Sasuke acquires rinnegan and madara has one too. Why? Both Sasuke and Madara would be relying power from other characters, which defeats your argumant that Sasuke is strong on his own

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

But if hashirama acquires spsm then naruto will not be able to defeat hashirama if kyubi is out You cant prove that.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

as kyubi is not part of reincarnations power. All tailed beast are part of it. ... what

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

I am just saying that he should have different jutsu than his signature rasengan and rasenshuriken.
 * Sage Mode
 * Frog Kata
 * KCM
 * Bijuudama
 * SPSM
 * Boil Release

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

And right now they are gone truth seeker orbs pinnacle of ninjutsu and nature transformation gone like you throw shuriken It was well established before Naruto got them that they can be lost.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

only one thing that can go toe to toe with rinnengan. Thats a lie. Rinnegan users have been defeated by characters without SPSM

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Let's try it from start Sasuke at end of part 1 was Evenly matched with naruto He was only evenly matched with Naruto because he relied on the power of Orochimaru's Cursed Seal

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

then naruto goes to train with jiraya and learns one new technique big ball rasengan and some taijutsu skills he doesn't learn signature moves from jiraya like his hair technique nor sage mode, he doesn't master kyubi chakra so in my opinion naruto doesn't learn anything important in 3 years Naruto only learned better tactics, strategies, developed an actual fighting style, and became more efficient with Shadow clones. Jiraiya brought him up to speed on a lot of the basic skills he never developed. Even Kakashi was impressed by his progress in the 2nd bell test

Only a perfect Jinchuriki could have tought Naruto to master Kyubi chakra. When Jiraiya tried he nearly got killed

IIRC only the toads could teach Naruto Sage Mode and only if they felt like it and none of them were inspired to do it intil after Jiraiya died

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

while sasuke has trained very hard to master his curse mark and sharingan. Wait, so you give Sasuke credit for the Cursed Seal even though it is Orochimaru's power...But you give Naruto crap for using Kurama's power?

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

It kakashi to tell naruto the true use of shadow clones even naruto trained under sannin for 3 years. Kakashi discovered the shadow clone training method... it wasnt some well known fact that it could be used to rack up experience.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Kakashi tells naruto to use natiure transformation in rasengan jiraya could do that too. Jiraiya could not use Nature Transformation with Rasengan. It was considered impossible due to the difficulty. Naruto was the one who figured out it could be done with the help of Shadow Clones

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Naruto acquires and master sage mode after jiraya's death. In war after acquiring spsm he instantly uses lava style rasenshuriken with one hand even though he had 3 years of training. SPSM comes with the ability to understand like, everything so yea he managed to figure out how to do it after he had that. He never had much reason to learn it before that since using a Shadow clone was never a problem

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

So in shippuden the author just rushed naruto so that he becomes god of shinobi Oh like he did with Sasuke??