Talk:Six Paths Senjutsu

Something i thought of
It was stated Kakashi now has the six paths sage power, Naruto does too and I think this power is not based solely on tb/kaguya/juubi chakra because Naruto was not using the tb/kaguya/juubi chakra when he kicked Madara's truth seeking ball away... he was obviously stronger and augmented and so was Sasuke. I think that Sasuke has this power too as it augments everything... attacks too.. being black colored like Raikiri and Chidori. So maybe Sasuke should be added to this page? Mind you only Senjutsu and Taijutsu can hurt Kaguya and Madara, and Sasuke and Kakashi both did so with black raikiri and black chidori, not to mention when he was using Senjutsu Chakra as a 13yr old with CS2 at valley of the end his chidori turned black then too. I think Sasuke is indeed using the same power as Kakashi, which is the same power as Naruto before using the lava rasenshuriken. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 04:07, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * I noticed some disagreements about this. One person is of the notion that the only reason Senjutsu was stated to be effective was because it cancels out the TSB's YYR effect, while others like me and you are of the notion that it was meant as Senjutsu chakra alone being capable to harm TT jinch. This should get sorted out first. I'm fairly certain that Minato said: "only Senjutsu and physical attacks are effective against a TT jinch" so I think it wasn't meant to refer strictly to the TSB alone, because punching a black orb doesn't make sense--Elveonora (talk) 08:40, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yea, and Kakashi got that power from when Obito impaled Madara, so it is the Six Paths' Senjutsu power. But Sasuke doesn't have this power because he has the sage's chakra in general, but it's still unsure if it's senjutsu or not. I don't have a side to take here. It could very well be senjutsu, or the fact that Sasuke had the Sage's Yin chakra in the hand he formed the chidori with. So maybe Kakshi should be made a user, but idk Riptide240 (talk) 13:16, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * And plus, we don't fully understand what Yin release truly does. Yang Release vitalizes and "breathes life into form". But Yin Release is said to "create form from nothing" so we don't truly understand what that means Riptide240 (talk) 13:43, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sasuke has yet to show all of the powers Hagoromo gave to him. WindStar7125  WindStar7125 Task.svg (Talk) (Contribs) 15:26, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

It is like I said before, I don't think they need to "transform" to use the Senjutsu. Naruto was not "transformed" when he kicked away the truth seeking ball. Therefor Sasuke most definitely has Senjutsu and Kakashi does too. But it isn't blatant enough for some people to accept I guess. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 17:25, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if anybody noticed...
If you go to chapter 670 on mangapanda page 17, or any website and look at where Hagoromo's talking about splitting up the Juubi, the shot shows the back of Asura's clothing and it shows the seal for the Six Paths Senjutsu Riptide240 (talk) 16:23, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Isn't that Hagoromo's back?--Elveonora (talk) 16:27, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to figure that out because you can see the water ripples from Asuras water reflection. And it looks like the person is standing Riptide240 (talk) 16:31, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Follow to the next page and you'll see that Hagoromo was revealed to Naruto the event in which he named the Tailed beast. It's Hagoromo's back, most likely. -- Koto Talk Page-My Contributions 16:32, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. considering the speech bubbles talk about said event--Elveonora (talk) 16:34, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

I see, thnx. Plus what are your guys' ideas as to what Asuras inherited powers are. It's killing me and I want to hear some ideas Riptide240 (talk) 16:39, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think we all know where Elveo stands on the topic. But I too agree with the idea that he likely inherited the SPST, or atleast has some form of jinchuriki status. -- Koto Talk Page-My Contributions 16:42, August 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yea but the only thing that confuses me is that Indra inherited a downgraded version of his father's dojutsu. So did Asura directly inherit the ten tails chakra, or a downgraded version like Indra? Riptide240 (talk) 16:45, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Likely.--Koto Talk Page-My Contributions 16:46, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * I can 100% say that Ashura didn't inherit this by birth, otherwise his incarnates would be born with it--Elveonora (talk) 16:48, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

Yea, so what do you think he inherited from birth? And if it wasn't some form of juubi chakra, then how did he replicate it? And also, his transmigrants got his chairs, not from when he was born, but when he died Riptide240 (talk) 16:51, August 27, 2014 (UTC)Riptide240 (talk) 16:50, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Life force and physical energy. He either was a jinch, or he was gifted chakras from them like Naruto--Elveonora (talk) 16:52, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

OK so one more thing, Hagoromo said that his chakra bloomed through training. So if he already had life force and physical energy, then what kind of chakra bloomed?Riptide240 (talk) 16:55, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * No idea. The point is, that since as you said yourself, Ashura's incarnates receive chakra that he had when he died, that means SPST wasn't part of his own chakra.--Elveonora (talk) 16:59, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * True, thnx guys. I can't wait till somebody clears this up officially for good Riptide240 (talk) 17:03, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

So...
So, the reason Kaguya isn't listed as a user is because technically,the juubis chakra is the catalyst. This would make sense since Kaguya is the ten tails and, technically is its chakra. Otherwise I would've voted her being a user. So, are we still debating on whether or not Hamura is a user? Riptide240 (talk) 15:13, August 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * The reason neither of them are listed is because we weren't told they were users. We can assume or make logical conclusions that they were, but that's akin to going to a Christian church and asking the pastor to help you summon Lucifer. So yeah. Not listed until Kishimoto explicitly tells us.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 16:05, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * "For the record, I actually support the idea of using reading comprehension, logical conclusions, taking in all information past and present to come up with an answer to a question Kishimoto did not spoon feed us. I am perfectly happy if we are wrong, and more than happy to change information if it is proven wrong" do you?--Elveonora (talk) 18:49, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes that is my stance and I stick by it. However, when I make that point, I am basically called a dick who wants this wiki full of unconfirmed bullshit. Mixed signals. You either want to make these conclusions or you don't.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 18:54, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, call me a hypocrite, but I'm also both for and against "logical conclusions" but not all of them. (And before anyone says I'm all for only my own, then no) I want logical conclusions to be made when they aren't falsifiable, when they are obvious and no other information contradicts them from being true. But I oppose "logical conclusions" such as: "hey, Hamura wears the same clothes as Hagoromo and wields a staf.... TSB/SPS USER CONFIRMED!!!" that's just crazy--Elveonora (talk) 18:58, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * And when someone points out that Sand appearing with Magnet Release when it has no feasible reason to be there but yet using sand as magnet release is a no no because they were never stated to be connected is perfectly valid and in no way does that sounds crazy to someone who believes sand is magnet release.
 * I'm sure you see the problem. Now if you care is a different matter.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 19:01, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course I care, but the sand might have appeared for the same reasons the other substances did. Just because sand appears with magnet chakra doesn't mean they are connected. Imagine a scenario in which Gyuki gives Naruto a Fire-natured chakra to make Fire Release: Rasenshuriken. Since it was Gyuki who provided the chakra, Ink may have appeared as well. Would you assume the ink is controlled by/related to the fire? No.--Elveonora (talk) 19:08, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

I'm actually more upset at myself that I didn't think you'd continue the argument. le sigh. I don't give a shitfuck about Magnet Release I was using it as a point that someone can see and believe they are right about Magnet Release just as you see and believe you are right about Six Paths Sage Technique. And based on the results of Magnet Release why on earth shouldn't that also apply here?--TheUltimate3 (talk) 20:25, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

Because there's no "what ifs" in this case. If Kaguya's jinchs can use SPST because of her, then she can also use it. Just like Naruto can sense negative emotions, so can Kurama, since it comes from it to begin with. Also we list SPST as a parent to Truth Seeking Ball and she used one. From what we know, TSB indeed requires SPST, since we didn't see Naruto, Madara or Obito use it prior to getting SPST--Elveonora (talk) 20:29, August 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * We technically don't even know that. Remember, Obito used a Truth Seeking Ball when he wasn't using Six Paths Sage Technique. They could totally be linked. They could also be completely different. We actually don't know, but we assumed such due to Naruto. So yeah. I'd be more than happy to it a trivia note, but I feel you'd object to that.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 20:47, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Though that also bring the question; why does my opinion even matter?--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 20:50, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Excuse me?--Elveonora (talk) 12:42, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Exactly as it sounds. Why does my opinion even matter? What is exactly stopping you from hitting the edit button and adding Kaguya, you seem convinced she's a user. The only response I have is "It is very possible, but it was never stated". So why does my opinion matter?--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 13:06, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't feel good about disobeying you. Hell, I can't even piss unless I'm allowed to. Also Foxie would just undo and protect the page anyway. For what you mentioned earlier about mentioning it in trivia, then yes please. If that's all I can get from this, then so be it, I'm gonna settle for leftovers. I'm just afraid Cerez will remove it as "too trivial for a trivia" or "speculation" whatever.--Elveonora (talk) 13:15, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

I added cuz it makes sense. If any fox has some problem... she/he can come at me.Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 14:58, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Kaguya shouldn't be added for a very clear reason. All users of Six Path Sage Technique with the exception of Naruto have been Jūbi jinchūriki. Kaguya is not a jinchūriki. She is the damn Jūbi. And this has been made clear numerous times, and I'm quite frankly getting sick of it. You're outnumbered, Elveonora, so don't try to kick up more shift without new evidence.--Reliops (talk) 18:59, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

SPST & TSB
Credit to @MERCURIOUS for pointing this out, but in Chapter 682, before Kaguya was hit with the Reverse Sexy Harem, her back was shown. No SPST markings, yet she could use a TSB. So that means that the SPST isn't a parent technique of the TSB and the the latter isn't a derived technique of the former, right? WindStar7125  (Talk) (Contribs) 18:52, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Aye. How could I not notice that? Maybe there's another scene where we can see her back even more clearly? • Seelentau 愛 議 19:05, August 30, 2014 (UTC)