Forum:Character and Jutsu Names

I'm just curious...why are all the character names backwards? In the manga releases, as well as in the original Japanese (I confess I don't watch the anime, so I'm not sure if it's the same there), the names of the characters are Clan name, First name. So why are we calling them Sasuke Uchiha, Naruto Uzumaki, and Sakura Haruno? I mean, if this has already been discussed, please pardon me, but if it hasn't, shouldn't we stick as close to the original Japanese as possible? Jhbartlett 20:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Uchiha Sasuke, Uzumaki Naruto, Haruno Sakura, etc., etc.


 * This is an english speaking (I would assume, as I can read everything) Wikia. Therefore, we go by Given Name first, then Clan/Family name second. Its just an English Speaking thing.--TheUltimate3 21:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but in the English-speaking manga, their names are even given "clan name, first name". Besides, I would also argue for the different jutsus to be given their Japanese names, then English translations...aka: Although I think that might be how it's set up already...not sure. But mostly, I'm saying we should stick as close to the Japanese as possible, while still being comprehensible. Really, I just like how the manga does it in terms of names and jutsus. And the words ninjutsu, taijutsu, and genjutsu all come from Kanji...why aren't we translating those into ninja arts, physical arts, and illusory arts?
 * Kagebunshin no jutsu! (Art of the Shadow Doppelganger)...which is how it's done in the manga.
 * I prefer the Japanese for some too. Others I feel its much easier to use the direct english translation. (For example: on Wikipedia there was a debate going on about a Seal placed on Naruto. One Editor kept refering it as the Shiki Fujin, and I was completely lost. It wasn't until someone called it Dead Demon Consuming Seal did I finally get it.) However it would be MUCH MUCH easier to deal with stuff if they were in a language the majority could use. With that said the reason why we don't translate thoes to Ninja Arts, Illusionary Arts, yada yada yada is because for the most part, we are following Wikipedia's design. If I have read want Dantman has said, we are trying to use Wikipedia as a base as there is another Wiki somewhere using Original stuff. Same reason why we don't translate the Kekkei Genkai's.--TheUltimate3 22:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I didn't recognize the ice kekkei genkai by name earlier...well, ok, I say there needs to be a translation under some of the less familiar names, but for the most part, try as best as you can to go with the Japanese. Translation is like one step removed from the actual canon. It's one word, I think...shikifūjin...maybe. I'm not sure. But still...increase your knowledge of the subject, you know? Jhbartlett 22:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Which is why we use direct translation. Take Katon: Goukakyu no Jutsu. "no Jutsu" means Technique, the "no" doesn't really mean anything. Goukakyu stands for Great Fireball, and we all know Katon means Fire Release. This way we use the easier to use english version while still keeping the direct meaning.--TheUltimate3 22:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes and no. Again, I'm proposing that we use the English translation parenthetically. For example, the Kuchiyose Edotensei move. It's got a bunch of translations. And I only really know it by the Japanese, or the manga translation, which was summoning reanimation, according to Shonen Jump. Hmm, plus, it enriches people's brains with foreign vocab. :D Jhbartlett 23:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * If their minds need to be enriched by foregin vocab, they can read a book, which I seriously encourage because I too need to learn a different language. Regardless as there are many translations and possible translations Great Fireball can go by Blaze of Glory, Fireball Jutsu, and Goukakyu. The only thing everything agrees on is that it was originally Katon: Goukakyu no Jutsu, which is directly translated to Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique. So we list the all possible translations, but have the article use the direct translation. This way we don't opinionate the Wikia, favoring one source over another.--TheUltimate3 23:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I can understand the reasoning for using Technique, but jutsu names aren't even translated using the word Technique in the English Dub. Perhaps while we are translating jutsu names, it would be a good idea to keep it named Jutsu instead of Technique. True, Jutsu may literally translate into Technique by language. But not by what it is. A Jutsu is still a jutsu, because Technique could refer to either a Jutsu, or a normal technique or skill that isn't a Jutsu. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Nov 28, 2007 @ 10:45 (UTC)

Like when Orochimaru describes his quest to uncover all jutsus: he said to the Sandaime that he had unlocked the key with which to be able to do this: Fufushin no jutsu (if I am not mistaken, the words "no jutsu" are in there), which translates to "The Art of Immortality". However, this isn't really a technique; it's an ongoing process. Just thought I'd back Dantman up here. Jhbartlett 14:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * And I'm obviously alone on this one but I still insist keeping to the direct translations. Like I said there are many translations or possible translations, as both of you pointed out while Jutsu stands for Technique, in Jhbartlett's translations its Art. So we should still use the direct translation of the techniques for the title, and in the (Name: section percede to have the usual Direct Translation,Kanji,Japanese Name,Various English Translations.--TheUltimate3 20:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)