Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-734582-20150720112958

Continuation from: [] Since that thread is now off-topic enough and apparently enough people want to talk about it, i'm creating this thread.

The basic question is whether Madara using Susanoo without eyes is a plothole or not. The initiator of this discussion is GreatestSin and the last quote is this: GreatestSin wrote: JOA20 wrote: As Sasuke said, his dōjutsu powers were weakened by travelling through Kaguya's dimensions. Susanoo is a dōjutsu, even though it doesn't require the eyes. Is it really that difficult to think that Sasuke couldn't use Susanoo because his powers were too weakened to do so? the strange part is that eyes arent necassary at all... if susanoo required "ocular"-chakra than it would make sense but susanoo only needs chakra, and sasuke had surely enough of it for at least a half-body-susanoo...

therefore it is a plothole that madara and itachi can use susanoo without eyes while sasuke still requires MS/EMS for it :I

I just want to add, that Itachi created Susanoo with his MS and continued to maintain it. His Mangekyou actually did not fade: his eyesight did. It's never clarified whether losing your eyesight loses your power, it's more likely to be a case that using Ocular jutsu without vision is pretty damn hard.

Madara started Susanoo without his eyes, confirming that it's a power that does not *need* the eyes to be invoked. However, Sasuke could not use Susanoo. The implication is that because his MS powers faded, and since Susanoo still falls under a MS power, Susanoo could not be activated either. His rinnegan was still active in a basic form, just like his Sharingan, so his location-switch power is clearly of lesser grade than a Susanoo or Amaterasu.  