Talk:Mangekyō Sharingan

Speculations
Do you think it is possible that the Mangekyo's abilities are unique with each individual? There is no sign that Kakashi's Mangekyo has the same abilities as Itachi's (or vice-versa). Keep in mind, this is an opinion-based question. --Dubtiger 04:03, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I remember a note that the Mangekyo abilities that Itachi uses were abilities which were already documented alongside the information about the Mangekyo. Meaning that the abilities he has are ones that had been acquired in the past. So it couldn't be unique to the individual. Kakashi's is most likely different because of his far different circumstances; He's not an Uchiha. The eye is not his, it's only a transplant. It's quite simply a technique that he created on his own because he didn't have direct access to the Uchiha's normal Mangekyo abilities. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Dec 6, 2007 @ 05:21 (UTC)

Kakashi also gained his Mangekyo in (we can reasonably assume) a completely different way. it is probably only called a Mangekyo because it's an altered Sharingan, other than that there are almost no similarities.

Is it possible that Kakashi obtained Mangekyo from witnessing Obito (his best friend's) death after he gave him his eye? I've heard this theory and I've been thinking about it a bit... UchihaDescendant 20:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)UchihaDescendant

Mangekyo Sharingan Three or Four users Itachi?
I think that when Itachi talked to Sasuke about Mangekyo Sharingan and said that it would be three users, Kakashi had not yet developed his Mangekyo. If you remember in episode 32, when Gai supports Kakashi after the fight with Deidara, Kakashi says: "Sorry about this Gai-kun, using that new Sharingan really drains me so...". Jacce 21:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Dispute: How is it that Madara's involvement with Kyubi
How is it that Madara, who lived from somewhere between 40 to 60 years ago, had any involvement with the Kyubi attacking Hidden Leaf Village 13 something years ago. I mean this is just speculation. I can't believe this is actually written here as fact. -Psypho 19:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Because Jiraiya said the only person who could control the demon fox was Madara. Then Sasuke later confirms that the true potential of the Sharingan was to be able to control said demon fox. And after that, Itachi confirms that Madara was behind the demon fox attacking Konoha. There is no speculation, everything said about Madara's Sharingan is accurate, even the immortal part, with the whole "Invincible Immortal" comment of Itachi. My suggestion to you is to read the manga.--TheUltimate3 21:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Madara's Brother
During Sasuke's battle with Itachi, he says that Madara and his brother were the first ones to obtain the MS, and they show both of them with their MS. Shouldn't we add Madara's brother as a MS user? There was an image of him with an activated MS before Madara plucked out his eyes. 189.4.226.4 21:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Orochimaru as Sasuke's Sacrifice
I don't really think this is the case. I think that Itachi is the sacrifice. It was after Sasuke realizes that Itachi was the loving brother he remembered, that his new Mangekyo Sharingan is shown. Also, I'm not sure it is an "Eternal" version. I can't see any of Itachi's mangekyo in it. Eudaemon 13:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Page 2-3 of chapter 401. We see Orochimaru freeing himself, and quickly killed, pulled out of Sasuke's body, and Madara stated "Freedom from the Cursed Seal...and death of someone close to you... The battle would awaken your Mangekyo." From that it is gathered that Orochimaru was Sasuke's sacrifice for his Mangekyo. And thus Sasuke has (Until proven otherwise as far as I can tell) has 2 different Mangekyos, his unique one, and Itachi's Anti-Madara Mangekyo.--TheUltimate3 13:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you wanted all those spelling errors and run on sentences left in there that I fixed. hasen't was put back instead of hasn't, etc. Some of those "sentences" are 3 or more sentences in a row with just commas separating them.

And, back to the topic at hand, Madara says specifically in Chapter 401 that Itachi wanted to die before Sasuke's eyes. Itachi was the sacrifice. Removing Orochimaru's influence was just something he did to keep that influence from further corrupting Sasuke. Eudaemon 15:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

As another point, at no time did Sasuke show Orochimaru the slightest bit of respect. He was there to gain power only. Orochimaru wasn't a brother or father figure to Sasuke. I hardly think he qualifies as someone close to Sasuke. Eudaemon 15:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)