Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170909171417/@comment-33308438-20171014115742

^^ Orochimaru was considered the strongest among Sannin. He was chosen as hokage, that's proof.

Kakashi lost against guy, one time yes , but the thing is did kakashi use raikiri in that fight?Since it could cut lightning and raikiri is a death match tool. As guy himself said "Its a tool created for assasination". In the war arc, kakashi was running side by side with raikiri along six gate guy. And he also stated after guy unleashed eighth gate " Its like you said father, guy surpassed me" (talking about white fang). So even kakashi agrees gai has to go eighth gate to surpass, in other words , surpass him with death.

Neji mastered the main branch's technique and was considered the strongest by the leader. Ninetails chakra is what beat neji.

Also there dan died early in a war so it also stands to doubt when hiruzen earned the "God of Shinobi" title. And hiruzen did say he can beat kinkaku squad. Tobirama was also so trustful in hiruzen that he chose him as hokage with no doubt, so hiruzen was clearly stronger than him and the databook confirms it , surpassing tobirama in talent (which means he can use hiraishin better) means he had better ninjutsu than him.

Are you reading mangapanda? That's the official translation. In that translation, there was a ? mark. And oro, being the student of 3rd , knew about enma and its powers so the only thing which could make him surprised is enma's speed. Like kakashi was surprised with lee's speed even by knowing the eight gates powers. So oro was clearly shocked by the speed, that he couldnt dodge so he blocked it. And hiruzen himself stated holding enma at his old age was very heavy for him. So in his prime, he wouldn't have that weakness.

Hiruzen didnt dodge bcuz of his age and stamina. Like when deidara couldnt move normally when his stamina was almost depleted, stamina actually affects movements and speed.