Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20171121021544/@comment-734582-20171123175538

Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: ok, I see that happening. can madara outsmart him? (in any USEFUL way?) As far as we've seen, SPSM gives an intuitive understanding of jutsu while Rinnegan seems to grant some form of insight. So i doubt that Guy would have any trouble adopting to his new form. Even then, Madara didn't require much in the way of exotic jutsu to beat Guy. It didn't require Limbo clones, Wood or Storm release or other special jutsu. So Guy not knowing or having little experience with those jutsu wouldn't hurt him. TSB's work intuitively, as Naruto showed, so that requires no real experience. Same with flight, healing and pure resilience.

Eight Gates Madara would probably need more power. Having Hashirama's cells would help a lot in maintaining the Eight Gates longer, but i think a Rinnegan and Sage Mode are pretty much necessary for Eight Gates Madara to win.