Talk:The Fourth Hokage's Death Match

Kyubi's Gender
In the English dub, Tobi refers to the Nine-Tails as "him" (ex. when he sees that Kushina is alive, he says "Because you were his jinchūriki, I'll let you die by his hand"). I just wondered whether the Japanese has the same gender-specific pronoun (whatever Japanese eps I find with subs have fansubs, which aren't trustworthy at all). Because if the Japanese also refers to Kurama as male, then I'd like to use "him/his/he" in future context as opposed to "it/its". And the character page for Kurama doesn't have his gender listed. Murali9395 (talk) 21:45, October 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you think we wouldn't have listed it as male if it were true? - Seelentau Talk 22:02, October 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * There was some heavy discussion regarding the bijus genders some time ago. I believe we came to the conclusion that we just don't know for some of them. I'd personally list Kurama as male but that's just me. Munchvtec (talk) 22:07, October 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * Cliff notes version, Seel, correct me if I'm wrong about the Japanese: a lot of pronouns used in Japanese are genderless. None that was ever used with Kurama in Japanese denotes gender. Even some that are more associated with one gender are also used with others. Orochimaru uses "watashi", even though that mostly used by women, for example. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:47, October 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * Correction: It's Seelentau or Tau. Seel is still no real word, goddamnit. :D - Seelentau Talk 22:57, October 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * @Omnibender The thing about "watashi" being mostly used by women is a myth I never understood how it could even exist. "Watashi" is the formal way to adress yourself, no matter what gender. There are pronouns that are gender-based however, such as "ore" for men or "boku" for boys. Since those exist, many men use them instead of "watashi" but that doesn't mean that it's a pronoun more common for women.
 * Regarding Kurama, it actually does use a pronoun that's commonly associated with elderly people (and I see here and then that it's also more often used by males), "Washi". I don't know if that's enough to label it male though. Norleon (talk) 23:31, October 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * Considering that Chiyo(and several other female characters from different anime and manga) also uses "washi", not really. As for Murali's original question, in Japanese Tobi uses "koitsu", which is basically informal way of saying "he", "she" or "it". And since Tobi treated tailed beasts as things, it's safe to say he meant "it" part. --JouXIII (talk) 03:03, October 3, 2016 (UTC)