Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34277398-20190213044806/@comment-34277398-20190220021108

AsianReaper wrote: Quadraticequation wrote: I think that Minato/Jiraiya take this. However, not because of Minato but because of Jiraiya. I’m probably going to piss off a lot of people but here goes: After Jiraiya’s defeat Nagato openly stated had they not had their secret Jiraiya would’ve defeated them. Also keep in mind after using his genjutsu on the one Pain he turned around an started walking away. But he was stabbed in the back because he was off guard. Then after that did he fight all 6 Pains and was that statement made. Also the fact the Itachi states he can’t defeat Jiraiya. If he could go as far as to put Kakashi in an infinite Tsukuyomi, almost try and kill Kurenai and try to kidnap Naruto. Itachi also commended Jiraiya’s skills when he did a reverse summoning almost subduing them. And back to the Nagato point, it took B, KCM and Itachi to defeat Nagato. In the show the kind showed Minato have the upper hand in front of A. However, Minato was “technically” defeated by Bee. Before Minato could make a move Bee had his sword against Minato’s stomach. However, Jiraiya makes up for this disadvantage. Jiraiya is absolutely strong, that's not going to tick anyone off. At least if they're being honest about the series.

Jiraiya almost defeated the 6 paths, yes. But it's not comparable to Nagato with most of his vitality back (when he sucked up Hachibi chakra.

Itachi can't use infinite Tsukuyomi (you probably just made a typo here).

Itachi also commended Naruto's attempt to break his Genjutsu in Part 2

It took Bee, KCM Naruto, and Itachi to defeat a nearly full health Nagato with unlimited chakra refills.

Minato was not defeated by Bee, as Bee could not do anything in that situation. Bee knew if he moved, he was dead. While Minato had the option to swap out again. And again, Minato wasn't actually out to kill Bee. If he was, he wouldn't teleport and pose behind Bee for Ay's sake. He was trying to let Ay know his priorities weren't straight; Ay was focused on winning whereas Minato (and Bee) were both focused on protecting those important to them. He telegraphed it very plainly but Ay didn't catch on.

Also, for all your praise for Jiraiya, keep in mind Jiraiya noted that Minato was unmatched by anyone.

I completely agree that Jiraiya is a beast and he's a huge asset to the team. I'm not trying to downplay that. Just reminding you that Minato isn't to be messed with either.

@Ninja, I agree. It'd be a huge factor in the fight if Minato had a mark on Bee. Especially since the marked one doesn't usually realize that the mark sticks around (like Obito). Yea my bad I didn't mean Infinite Tsykuyomi. I forgot that is the one with the Rinne-Sharingan. His limited Tsukyomi or whatever. I actually do have a counterargument to Jiraiya calling Minato unmatched. I will grant that Raikage stated Minato was unmatched. Jiraiya actually said he was a once in a generation ninja and there won't be ONE like him ever. He never actually made a comment on his power. And let's assume he did. Minato once told Jiraiya that there was no other shinobi like him. So I feel Jiraiya is still stronger than Minato. And aren't the 6 Pain's fighting in sync equal to full power Nagato. That's equal to all of Nagato's powers with the hive mind advantage. Imagine one guy with 6 powers fighting someone. Now imagine 6 different versions of the same guy fighting someone simultaneosly. Which is also why Naruto could defeat Pain. He didn't fight them simultaneously.