Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-43403813-20190907005521/@comment-43403813-20191003093147

@FlatZone I could honestly say the same thing to you. Points that you used to back up your argument before, you fail to bring them up/acknowledge them in favour of mine.

Why are you ignoring the extreme disadvantage Nagato was at? He was literally focused on NTCM Naruto and Killer Bee at the same time. A 3 V 1. A 3 V 1.And Itachi would have seen Bee get caught whilst Nagato wasn’t looking at him, which would have helped him deduce the linked vision. Besides, say Itachi figured out the shared vision. So what. Pain would still maintain its defensive core and Itachi wouldn’t be able to do much about it. As you said, the Rinnegan can still perceive chakra under smokescreen.

One point that you brought up before, but you fail to mention now is Kabuto’s control over Nagato. Kabuto’s experience with the Rinnegan is very rudimentary, he literally said “Hmm, I could try out that planet jutsu” before he made Nagato use Chibaku Tensei. Edo Nagato is not a true testament of Nagato’s strength, so saying he couldn’t avoid Totsuka is bs. A possible explanation of this is the delayed reaction speed from Kabuto’s end. But since you like to bring up plot so much, Nagato needed to be dealt with quickly in order to progress the story, let’s not lie, Nagato should have seen that blade coming.

Also, nothing in the manga implies that Totsuka has “instantaneous” speed. It’s been used twice, once against Orochimaru, and he just let it hit him because he thought it was just a weak fire jutsu, and once against Nagato, a controlled and partially crippled edo who didn’t even want to fight in the first place. Not exactly the best reasoning.

“If Naruto could figure out how to deal with the paths” ..... lol what? The Konoha investigation team did weeks of research on the Pain body that Jiraiya brought back, and Konoha’s fighting forces had first-hand experience fighting Pain, and they gave all the info they gathered to Katsuyu to splurge on Naruto, whilst he was fighting Pain! And if that wasn’t enough, he had all the toads in the world to help him fight Pain.

I can literally make a list of the paths that went down unfairly, as it wasn’t a true 1v1 setting.

- Asura path went down immediately, because it was locked on Tsunade and got a surprise attack by Naruto, so it essentially got taken out by an extraneous variable.

- Animal path went down because the grampa toad thought of a plan for a fight Naruto was having (being the big toad swallow both Naruto and the Animal path). There is no implication that Naruto would have come up with this on his own, and shows how he definitely didn’t figure out “how to deal with the paths.”

- Deva path went down for a lot of factors. First of all, he used Chaotic Shinra Tensei which basically took away his ability for half the battle. If he had his power for the whole fight, I can guarantee that Naruto would have lost, since all the six paths at full power are near unbeatable (ignoring Naruto’s plot armour ofc). Let’s not forget Hinata intervening just as Pain was about to take Naruto, and oh, lets not forget Minato coming back from the dead to redo Naruto’s seal. (Even though that might not be good news for Pain, it would mean Naruto would be dead.)

- Human path’s usability got hit with something like a domino effect, because Deva path couldnt use Shinra Tensei on Naruto’s first rasenshuriken due to the CST cooldown, the Human path had to take the hit.

One final nail in the coffin is that during this whole thing, Pain wasn’t even fighting with killer intent. He just wanted to capture Naruto, and there were plenty of scenarios early on in the fight where Pain could have easily ended Naruto.

Point being, Itachi would take longer than a minute to figure out Pain if it was a battle just between him and Pain. And stop ignoring factors in your favour that you brought up before.

@Brain, an ethereal weapon would disintegrate for a time upon contact with a strong force, especially against something like Shinra Tensei. It would need a couple seconds to reform, and by then Pain could retreat/ use Bansho Tenin to pull Itachi out of Susanoo. I already explained to FlatZone why Nagato didn’t repel it at the end of their edo fight.