Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-45325938-20200329160854/@comment-24824859-20200330180029

Frwt wrote: It's not directly proportional, you need to knead the sage chakra, you need large reserves so the nature enegry doesn't take over your body but if X has 10 chakra and Y has 100 chakra and they knead chakra at the same speed they'll produce the same quantity of sage chakra if we cap it at 10 It is directly proportional since sage chakra is the mixture of regular chakra and natural energy. The more chakra you have, the more natural energy you need to gather to enter SM or else you won't enter. In your example, X may enter SM quicker since they won't require to absorb as much natural energy as Y. But, once Y enters SM, they will have more sage chakra than X Learning SM 3 years after is a huge deal, expecially if you consider that when Naruto made the contract SM was the last thing he should've think of considering his ability in kneading chakra, but as a 16 year old he already undergo the training surely with the concession that it was necessary, but I don't see how this goes aganist my point

Minato isn't good with SM so why would he chose to enter the state to make a giant rasengan if he already divided the roles with his son? It doesn't matter why Naruto didn't learn SM prior to Jiraiya's death, the point is that he didn't learn it for a long time after forming a contract with the toads. So simply having a summoning contract with the toads is not enough to assume that one learned SM

Why divide the roles when you can do both do it?. Heck, the thought of entering SM never occurred to him as soon as the senjutsu effectiveness was established.

FlatZone wrote: Sage Mode 4th War Naruto would beat him though, he has the destructive power, chakra levels, advanced Rasengan variations, and speed for it as shown with his fight with 3rd Raikage. No he wouldn't. Destructive power, chakra levels, and advanced Rasengan variants are meaningless if Naruto can't hit Minato or if his attacks are redirected. All Naruto did vs. the 3rd Raikage was twist his body at the last second when they dashed towards each other. It's not that impressive against someone who casually spams teleportation with speed and reaction speed to boot.