Talk:Naruto Uzumaki/Archive 16

Fire Release Nature Type
I don't know if this has been discussed already, but I was wondering why exactly does Naruto have Fire Release in his infobox? Shouldn't he not have it at all? He cannot actually use his own chakra or any chakra at all to produce fire techniques. Magnet and Lava Release I understand, but Fire Release is a whole different thing. He used an explosive tag to perform a collaborative technique with Gamabunta. Again take patience with me if this has been discussed, but I couldn't find it so I'm bringing it up.  Banan 14  kab  04:10, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Refer to many topics regarding the same matter all over the place. Guys list him as a Fire and Earth Release user because he did a Lava Rasenshuriken. He didn't mold those natures himself, so in my opinion he shouldn't be listed, but it's not like my opinion has any value around here or anything--Elveonora (talk) 10:09, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Go cry somewhere else, I'm sick of you playing the victim. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't confuse cynicism with martyr complex--Elveonora (talk) 12:45, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

So can anyone actually answer my questions...?  Banan 14  kab  15:52, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * He has it because he made a Lava release Rasenshuriken. Since Lava release is made of fire and earth nature. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol.svg Talkpage 17:12, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * He didn't make the lava tho, Son Goku phantom did--Elveonora (talk) 17:13, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you stop it with your double standard, Elveonora? Naruto using Lava Release is no different than Roshi using Lava Release. --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:38, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * And before this spirals into the realm of goddamnit, let's leave it at that.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 18:50, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * @SSS, and you know that exactly because?... We didn't see how it worked in Roshi's case. But we know how it doesn't in Naruto's. So we either assume Roshi couldn't use Fire and Earth either and remove the natures from his infobox so it's even or that he could and keep them as are. But for Naruto, there's no reason to keep them--Elveonora (talk) 19:18, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * You have a point Elve, but I'm just going to agree with Ultimate since that is the majority anyway. We all know Son Goku provided the chakra needed for Lava Release, but Naruto made the technique. I guess the same thing applies to his Sage Art: Magnet Release Rasengan technique. So yea...it's what Naruto does with the chakra the beasts provided him.  Banan 14  kab  22:01, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * For the sake of not flying into a fit of insane rage that this is yet again a topic being argued here (on this very talk page no less), with Elveonora using the same flawed logic that has been disproved every time he's argued it, I will just say agreed with TheUltimate. Elve wants to say Rōshi mystically has the same kekkei genkai as Son Gokū, but that they have no relation whatsoever, as a scapegoat to give him an excuse to unlist Naruto, but it will not prevail, because we all know the source of Rōshi's Lava Release, no matter how much he, or anyone else for that matter, denies it. Leave it at that for the love of all that is good and holy. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 23:06, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * I never said that he had Lava KKG only Fire and Earth. Also even if he had, Lava KKG is quite common--Elveonora (talk) 10:25, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * At first I was asking. Now I am telling. Enough. No new information has been provided and we will not have another endless debate over who is right and wrong. This ends. Now.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 11:30, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

Just chill?--Elveonora (talk) 12:54, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

being that every Jinchuuriki gains access to the nature types of their tailed beasts its safe to assume that even if the tailed beasts were removed that Naruto would still have access to said techniques. look at Gaara he had shukaku removed from him years ago yet he still has access to earth release. Actionmanrandell (talk) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)ActionmanrandellActionmanrandell (talk) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * When did Gaara use Earth Release? Also basic natures aren't hereditary, since everyone can use them, they just have to learn how--Elveonora (talk) 14:02, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Think he means magnet. Assuming, of course, thats what sand manipulation is. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 17:52, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Gaara can control sand sand is a specific earth release techniqueActionmanrandell (talk) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)actionmanrandellActionmanrandell (talk) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * And yet we have specifically named Wind Release techniques about sand. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * If you're referring to the 'Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud — Great Breakthrough' then that's only a Wind Release technique because of the 'Great Breakthrough' part. The sand has nothing to do with the element, wind just makes the sand a lot more versatile. I definitely disagree with sand being related to Earth Release though. If that was true half of Suna would be using sand-based techniques. Atrix471 (talk) 15:55, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Yin-Yang Release
I beeive we should add ying-yang release to naruto or delete them from truth seeking ball Because we can't say that Naruto didn't use ying-yang release while he use truth seeking ball which are ying-yang release. So we got two options 1 ==> Naruto don't use yin-yan release (TSB aren't yin-yang release ) 2 ==> TSB are yin-yan release (nARUTO USES YIN-yang release ) Because we can't say a=b & b=c then a#c.
 * TSB ain't YYR, it should have been removed long ago--Elveonora (talk) 10:13, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

I've just edited them right now

Long story short: when it first started showing ninjutsu cancelling effect, people added it to TSB. I agree with them not being YYR per se, and would like to attribute that effect to a separate technique, but the rationale of its use without the cancelling effect being a result of not having control over the technique, like shown with Obito, was enough for me to consider it, can't speak for others. Since every posterior of them was against senjutsu, we can't really say they don't have the cancelling effect. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

In truth Yin-Yang Release should be added to every shinobi's page. the simple reason in order mould chakra for ninjutsu it's necessary to utilize both Yin and Yang. More over non-elemental techniques such as the Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu are all Yin-Yang Release According to Yamato Actionmanrandell (talk) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)ActionmanrandellActionmanrandell (talk) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Why was Yin Yang Release added back to Naruto's page? KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 22:29, September 11, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization

Actual age
Many chapters earlier Minato told Naruto "Tommorow is day of your birth". It was quite long ago, so shouldn't 17 be in his infobox now?FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 16:10, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Once the moon is gone and sun can be seen on the sky, then yes.--Elveonora (talk) 16:35, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Edit conflict. No. Go read the relevant topics in archives 15 and 13. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:39, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Flight Technique
How come the flight technique is not listed as one of Naruto's techniques? Can someone explain it to me?--Solidedub (talk) 02:00, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * There are many mysteries in the universe. Some more apparent to the naked eye than others. But they stay mysterious only for as long as you are unaware of the truth behind them. Sometimes it's better not to know the truth, since it may not be the way you expected it to be. I won't spoil this mystery for you, since there's magic to the unbeknownst--Elveonora (talk) 14:51, June 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * I remember that it used to be in the list, if you take a look at the Flight Technique page, you can see that he is still shown as an user, so perhaps it was removed by accident or something HellHawkX (talk) 15:32, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's there, just click on "jutsu"--Elveonora (talk) 15:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Not showing up for me, can anyone else see it or is it just a bug on my side? HellHawkX (talk) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Nope, not here either. Atrix471 (talk) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Consider performing null edits on both this page and Infobox:Naruto Uzumaki. The Null Edit button can be found on the drop down menu next to the Edit button. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 15:41, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Sensor Type
For the past few chapters Naruto has had the ability to sense others. Shouldn't he eb classified as a Sensor Type as well? Or is it that he can only sense Sasuke since they both have half of Hagoromo's power? Still in any ccase wouldn't he still be a sensor?  Banan 14  kab  14:44, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * He is using both senjutsu and chakra mode (both of which allow him to sense chakra with the latter also negative emotions) so if he wasn't listed earlier, why should he now? Although I'm with you and in my opinion he should be listed, but sysops and so disagree.--Elveonora (talk) 14:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well maybe he wasn't listed earlier simply because no one thought of it...that's why I'm bringing it up now.  Banan 14  kab  22:09, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Many people thought of it, the stance of the "elite" is still no, we mortals can do nothing about it--Elveonora (talk) 22:13, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * A simple way to explain this is as follows: Any 'perk' Naruto gains thanks to a Tailed Beast, ability, chakra mode, etc. etc. is not a power of his creation, and therefor cannot be listed in his infobox. Certain circumstances can circumvent this rule (implantation of Hashirama's genes giving the Wood Release, for example) but this rule almost always applies. --Atrix471 (talk) 22:17, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Funny, people are against listing his sensory ability in infobox because it's "from a tailed beast" yet are swift to list any nature he might (not) have in his infobox because a tailed beast.--Elveonora (talk) 23:30, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * For once I agree with Elve. How Naruto goes about sensing chakra is irrelevant, just as how he goes about using the advanced natures is irrelevant. He can sense chakra. He's a sensor. Period. That takes all of three brain cells to figure out. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg 23:33, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * So be it, but then how does that differ from putting Lava Release in his Kekkei Genkai box? There's no contrast, so I don't see why there are so many conflicting opinions. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:37, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * People can't settle on some consistency ^_ Double standards everywhere it seems. Although I'm glad Foxie agrees this time, because of that (if Naruto gets listed as sensor) I won't oppose any future natures he might (not) use from now on :P But Kurama is a senor too then--Elveonora (talk) 23:40, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Wait... what? How does that make Kurama a sensor? Naruto can actively sense chakra, but Kurama can only sense negative emotions, which is pretty limited. Oh, and if Naruto is made a sensor, then I'm gonna pretty much demand that Madara be made a sage. I'm not being a fanboy here, he literally has 'Sage Art' in a technique name, that should be evidence enough! --Atrix471 (talk) 23:45, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Naruto can not only sense negative emotions, but also chakra in chakra mode. And I already explained Madara to you.--Elveonora (talk) 23:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes you did, and I still disagree. If Naruto is a sensor using the tailed beasts, then Madara can is a sage using Hashirama's... chest-face. Again, there is no contrast here. They are both borrowed powers that the person came to use for themselves. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Madara isn't a sensor for the same reason Hashirama isn't a medical ninja, among other reasons. A Sage is someone who masters Senjutsu at a magical place, having been tutored by Yoda or some pipe pimp. Absorbing Senjutsu to a copy of Hashirama's face doesn't make Madara a Sage.--Elveonora (talk) 00:03, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * So you're saying that a sensor can only be a sensor if they learn it, rather than getting it elsewhere? If that's the case, how do we know Hashirama learned it fairly? That seems like a very arbitrary and convoluted rule to apply. He can manipulate and use Nature Energy to alter and improve his techniques, doesn't that imply a mastery of Senjutsu? Or can someone who never learns to manipulate Senjutsu just 'use' the energies willy-nilly? That face is a part of him, and if it allows him to accurately use Naruto Energy without it overwhelming his body, then that works for me. --Atrix471 (talk) 00:14, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Isn't listing Naruto as a sensor type because of senjutsu sort of the same as listing him as a medical-nin because of Yang Release? As far as we know, sensor type, like medical-nin, is an actual classification of shinobi, not just a term for anyone who can sense chakra through some means (which is literally everyone, to some extent). Can't he be a user of "sensing" (through Sage Mode and chakra mode) but not an official "sensor type"?--BeyondRed (talk) 01:48, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, considering there's sensor division, it indeed is a classification. But in that case we would have to remove people like Tobirama as sensors because there were never stated to specialize on battlefield as sensors for example, so /shrugs--Elveonora (talk) 15:27, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Boil Release?
I see Han and Kokuō have been acreddited with this ability, which I don't mind, so I suppose Naruto has it too now?--Reliops (talk) 23:10, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that's more of the matter that Han and Kokuō haven't been removed from the Boil Release infobox. We had a heated conversation regarding this already (on a technique page, not here), and we decided there was inconclusive evidence. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:14, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I see. I take it makes sense though. I mean, we know that the bijū don't really use conventional elements with the exception of Matatabi and Kurama really (and maybe Gyūki, who can use ink). Shūkaku uses Magnetism. Isobu uses coral. Son Goku uses Lava. Kokuō uses some kind of steam based techniques that could be Boil Release. Chōmei uses scales. I wouldn't be surprised if Kokuō, Han and Naruto all use some variant of Boil Release. I mean, just look at the different variants of Lava Release; actual lava, syrup like lava, quicklime, vulcanised rubber... It definitely wouldn't be much of a surprise.--Reliops (talk) 23:30, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * That case was actually already brought into question. Like I said, we had a discussion already --Atrix471 (talk) 23:46, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I thought they were already removed??? If not, they should be asap.--Elveonora (talk) 23:51, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * They were removed from everything but the Boil Release infobox, I think. Someone who can edit it needs to do it. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:53, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yang Seal
Shouldn't we make an article for his Yang seal and Sasuke's Yin Seal?
 * Naruto's seal could be an article, but even then it would either be mostly guesswork or would be a little short. Sasuke's seal we know absolutely nothing about, other than the fact it's a part of this 'ultimate sealing technique' (and its nature). --Atrix471 (talk) 16:51, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * ^ What he said. Also, please sign your posts. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 16:52, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about that, anyway there have been articles that were created on less during their debuts like Kaguya and Hamura (Who's article is almost complete speculation). -- Officialkamuiblade

It's the truth that their seals were in fact stated to be techniques. So I suppose articles will be made eventually--Elveonora (talk) 17:03, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well I realize that, but I've been informed in the past that we don't make placeholder articles, so they'll be made when appropriate. Also: character articles are different, you can gloss over techniques in a character's ability section, but you can't just gloss over a full character. --Atrix471 (talk) 17:06, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto apperiance in his Six Paths Sage Technique
On chapter 686 wsj cover Naruto skin is not glowing despite it did in chapter 678(Official Full Color Version), which source is more reliable? Rage gtx (talk) 08:11, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * wsj covers aren't done by manakas, people just went full retard over it, Sasuke's Rinnegan isn't confirmed purple--Elveonora (talk) 10:24, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * ^Yeah, I need a source for that. • Seelentau 愛 議 10:35, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Source for what? Magazine cover isn't part of the chapter itself neither is exclusive to Naruto but is a magazine covering many Shounen mangas (Naruto, Once Piece, Bleach etc.)--Elveonora (talk) 10:41, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * And neither are the colour comics versions. Both of these official colourings are far from definitive and neither should be treated as the more credible.--Soul reaper (talk) 10:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Exactly. But until the volume cover is out, the digital one is "more canon" than WSJ cover, which bases the colors on the anime and games most of the time--Elveonora (talk) 10:54, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * What makes the digital one more canon than the WSJ one? • Seelentau 愛 議 10:57, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Barely anything, perhaps besides the digital one being actual colored manga while WSJ covers aren't part of manga. For all intends and purposes, red isn't canon either, but it's at least official, even thought not necessarily canon, just like anime--Elveonora (talk) 11:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Then again, you said you weren't sure who colors the cover pages, didn't you? • Seelentau 愛 議 11:08, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

I did then, now I know.--Elveonora (talk) 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * And for that knowledge I need a source. • Seelentau 愛 議 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * The WSJ covers are done by staff. Even you could join them and draw what's there. It's more or less fanon most of the time.--Elveonora (talk) 11:55, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Says who? • Seelentau 愛 議 11:58, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Google it. They are hiring artists and editors. If it were done by mangakas, they wouldn't need them.--Elveonora (talk) 12:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Since everyone is jumping the gun on Sasuke's Rinnegan being purple shouldn't the rest of the wiki being doing the same with Naruto. You can't leave the main star behind--Narutofox94 (talk) 20:28, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

The way Naruto is drawn on the SWJ cover is too fishy. Why would he headband be chakra modish but not his face?--Elveonora (talk) 20:36, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree but you can't have a double standard with this thing. Since this wiki is going with how Sasuke's Rinnegan looks like on this cover you have to do the same with Naruto.--Narutofox94 (talk) 22:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

New title
He was called "Konoha's Miracle Boy" by one of the people who wanted his autograph. Just need a translation if it was to be kept. --Youngjusticeplayer007 (talk) 19:38, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

Stockholm Syndrome
Lol what? Does Goku suffer from same illness who became friends with Piccolo and Vegeta, or Ichigo especially in fullbringer arc? This is shonen manga! Moreover have editor Ph.D in psychology do diagnose such illness? Rage gtx (talk) 12:12, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * I already removed it, because seriously. Not only the entire passage was a longer version of what is already linked to by the summary in the Relationship article, the tenacity and empathy thing.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:14, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * Isn't it true though? Just because it may sound silly doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. It's like one of the most glaring traits about Naruto--Elveonora (talk) 12:15, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * Nope. Stokholm syndrome is basically a coping mechanism. When everything is terrible people basically look for a single ray of hope. What Naruto exhibits is the standard personality of a Shonen style protagonist. Stories targeted at young people go to great lengths to establish that "this guy is the good guy". Naruto, Goku, Aang, they're all created is the absolute hero. They're so good they have the ability to empathize and forgive just about anyone. It's a standard for the genre, not a cause to diagnose psychological conditions.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:20, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * Would it still be too much even if the part about stockholm syndrome were to be removed? Seriously, I'm pretty sure we have some "psychological analyses" in personality sections of other characters.--Elveonora (talk) 12:23, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it would still need a fair bit of rewording, and a lot of the relevant factors are already covered. I think the most important part of it his is his ability to see the good in everyone given the chance. Its been there from the very beginning with Zabuza and Haku. I don't think it's really deserving of a whole paragraph. If handled properly it would be fine but again, I think most of it is there already.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:28, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Well, if you guys insist so... and there I spent my precious time writing that only for it to have gotten removed T_T And it's one thing to see good in everyone and be very forgiving and another to praise bad people, like seriously. It can be summarized as "Naruto is a ninja-Jesus" but I think my version was well written, for my standards anyway :P--Elveonora (talk) 12:33, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't really see Naruto praising anyone who's bad. Even his statement about Obito was prefaced by "Obito wanted to be Hokage". In a sense he's not so much praising the version of Obito who killed his parents and tried to destroy the world, he's praising the version of Obito that existed before, and that resurfaced after fighting Naruto. Either way the fact remains that the series is never ambiguous about Naruto's optimistic outlook, it always treats it as a good quality. Trying to present it as a psychological issue is simply inaccurate to the series itself, even if a real person would be diagnosed as such.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:44, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * Weird. When it comes to Sasuke, people are prone to throw around their diagnoses about the state of his mental health, but Naruto is treated like a saint rather than a psychiatric patient. Oh, well. ^_--Elveonora (talk) 12:49, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * They can throw around their diagnoses all they want, for any character, so long as they don't put them into the articles. The only time such information should be present in an article is if the author has made a statement regarding it, or if it is referenced in the story itself.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:58, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Should this be stated somewhere?
Hagoromo not only gave his powers but Juubi powers as well, after they received the powers Naruto could manipulate Truth-Seeking Balls and Fly while Sasuke awakened a unique Rinnegan. Only Jinchuriki of the Juubi can manipulate Truth-Seeking Balls and Naruto possesses the chakra of all nine Bijuu while Sasuke's Rinnegan is red with six tomoe. The unique form of Sasuke's Rinnegan is due to Juubi influence.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 19:30, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization
 * The Ten-Tails is a culmination of all nine Tailed Beasts. Naruto contains portions of all nine beasts. Do the math... and Sasuke's Rinnegan ain't red. --Atrix471 (talk) 19:32, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

I am aware of both of your statements, but they must have some Ten-Tails influence.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 19:50, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization
 * You were aware of both my statements and yet you explicitly mentioned Sasuke's Rinnegan being red? That doesn't sound dubious at all. Now, in a way I guess you could say the powers they gained do have Ten-Tails influence, but that's simply due to what the Ten-Tails is. The Ten-Tails was the original Tailed Beast and is a manifestation of Kaguya, the first possessor of the Rinnegan. So yeah, I guess you could say they are related, but only for those reasons. --Atrix471 (talk) 19:54, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Of course they do and there's no reason to state the obvious. Hagoromo got his chakras from Kaguya who is the Ten-Tails, so him lending people chakra equals him lending Ten-Tails' chakra.--Elveonora (talk) 19:56, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Should it be stated somewhere?KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 21:25, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization
 * There's no reason to do so. All the power Naruto and Sasuke got was from Hagoromo, and the nine Tailed Beasts in Naruto's case. if anything, Kaguya's power was given to them, but... there's just no reason to get technical. --Atrix471 (talk) 21:36, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

sections split
I now this has been discussed already, but I've come to agree that it would be good to split it a little bit. It takes too long for the page to load and will take even longer before the series is over. Perhaps a separate article for his abilities or so--Elveonora (talk) 19:31, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 13:09, August 9, 2014 (UTC) Is this why they didnt display the full list of Naruto's powers and jutsu ? Cuz now the eruption power is missing and the acid creation and steam creation still not added...

Tabs would be nice, like the ones the One Piece wikia uses.--Reliops (talk) 15:08, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know about that, when I looked at other wikis using that style seemed awkward. Maybe I'm just used to the style here... --Atrix471 (talk) 20:07, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

Can this finally be unlocked?
Especially since the new chapter has been released?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:05, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Specify first what you would like to add that.--Elveonora (talk) 09:36, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

Wood Release & Magnet Release & Lava Release as Kekkei Genkai
Whgy we don't add Wood Release & Magnet Release & Lava Release as Kekkei Genkai to Naruto Uzumaki even thought it can be considered a tailed beast skills In Madara's case his third eye (rinnegan) is a tailed beast skill due to being the jinchuriki of the ten tailed beast However it still a kekkei genkai
 * Because he doesn't have the genetical anomaly that is the basis for the Kekkei Genkai. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:09, August 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * To add on to what Seel said, Kekkei literally means 'bloodline'. If it isn't in his blood, it ain't his Kekkei Genkai.--Atrix471 (talk) 20:08, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Rinnegan can be achieved my merger of two chakras and isn't in the bloodline, yet we label it kkg :P--Elveonora (talk) 20:10, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Because it was labeled as a KKG in the last databook. I think it's still somewhat a KKG because you most likely(?) need the Sharingan for it... probably... I hate this manga. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:13, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Remember, it isn't just chakra, it requires fully integrated cells from a Senju and the eyes of an Uchiha. It isn't so simple as a chakra donation from tailed beast(s). It becomes a part of their body. --Atrix471 (talk) 20:17, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Except it doesn't requires cells or eyes, but chakras of Ashura and Indra merged.--Elveonora (talk) 20:18, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * You need Hagoromo's chakra (Made from Indra and Asura's) and the EMS to awaken the Rinnegan, not just Hagoromo's chakra alone. Naruto got Hagoromo's chakra, but didn't get a Rinnegan because he didn't have the EMS. You need the EMS & Indra and Asura's chakras (To bring forth Hagoromo's)/Or just plain Hagoromo's chakra in Sasuke's case to awaken the Rinnegan. WindStar7125  WindStar7125 Task.svg (Talk) (Contribs) 14:53, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Isn't the Sharingan in itself already Indra's chakra though?--Elveonora (talk) 20:23, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say that. Yes, the Uchiha are Indra's descendants, but only Indra's reincarnations have his chakra. WindStar7125  WindStar7125 Task.svg (Talk) (Contribs) 20:27, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * His descendants have diluted version of his chakra though. Remember, we were told that Indra inherited the Sage's eyes, meaning the chakra Indra inherited is the Sharingan--Elveonora (talk) 20:29, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Do we add the elements of the gudoudama or no ?
This page is changing alot with edits and undo... either he has the elements of the gudoudama or not ?Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 19:12, August 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * No.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 19:24, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * They've been re-added back by Sajuuk tho--Elveonora (talk) 20:39, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * Then get rid of it again.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 20:50, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * You might wanna lock the infobox after they've been removed @TU3. We don't need that madness to start. WindStar7125  WindStar7125 Task.svg (Talk) (Contribs) 20:57, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Age?!?!?1ß
The chapter's been out for like forEVER, why isn't he being listed as 17 yet? ugh -.- • Seelentau 愛 議 11:13, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ur pants are wet aren't they. Anyway, done--Elveonora (talk) 11:39, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * The box was locked for me. :O • Seelentau 愛 議 11:49, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Can someone unlock this page so that we could add the elements ?
You know since Kishi said its not wood... it was water... i think its obivous that gudoudama has all 5 elements and the yin&yang thus it needs to be added Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 19:36, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

So just as I was saying
Naruto isn't a jinchuuriki of all the Tailed Beasts, just a pseudo-jinchuuriki. The only reason they are able to appear inside of him and talk is Tailed Beast Telepathy--Elveonora (talk) 10:57, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

He should be labelled as such.--Reliops (talk) 12:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

So will the responsible finally accept responsibility, admit having done a mistake and remove all that nonsense?--Elveonora (talk) 13:13, September 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Two things really.
 * 1st, I don't think it was just Telepathy because that doesn't explain how the tailed beasts, which where jumbled together as the Ten-Tails could even kind of be separate enough to give Naruto access to their abilities but still be under the complete control of the Ten-Tails for that to kind of makes sense or why they only started doing such things when Naruto met Hagoromo?
 * 2nd, even if so, what exactly would change in the article? Unless you want to take out the stuff we've seen Naruto do which oh lord no.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 13:18, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * The Tailed Beasts don't get merged inside the Gedo Mazo, they are there separate and are drained of their chakra. Just change him being their jinchuurii in his infobox to pseudo-jinchuuriki.--Elveonora (talk) 13:23, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * They were a giant ball of chakra, how is that not merging o.O. And I'm still on the fence about just accepting a pseudo-jinchūriki status, mainly because Minato still yells at me and I know your opinion on that so don't bother repeating it again here. Other people's opinion on the matter please.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 13:28, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

On second thought, Hagoromo's direct comparison between Naruto and Kaguya and his comment about their chakra seeping in to Naruto's (we'll need raws) throws me off. That, and the TSB just makes me think he's a pseudo Jūbi jinchūriki, though I suppose that would make him a pseudo jinchūriki by default. I dunno, I think we should wait until we at least have the raws.--Reliops (talk) 13:32, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

He was considered a Jinchhuriki while having only half of Kurama, the same goes for Minato. This chapter gave us bold letters that he just has Chakra of other TB. So, yes a pseudo for 1-tail to 8-tail, while being a Jinchuuriki for Kurama only.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 13:36, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Another thing that throws me off is the fact Hagoromo said Naruto would serve as some kind of meeting place for the bijū, like a communications hub or something. I made me think of the place place where Naruto met with Hagoromo and the nine beasts, when Hagoromo stated that line about the "blue eyed child that will call the nine bijū by their names and play with them" or whatever it was, something along those lines.--Reliops (talk) 13:40, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Considering the very same Tailed Beasts that were freed and subsequently captured and moved into the sky inside of giant boulders are supposed to meet inside of Naruto while being in the wild, them being inside of him was all along just that. Only their chakras are inside of Naruto and they simply can appear telepathically/mentally whatever there. EDIT: their "presence" inside of Naruto is no different than Hagoromo's was, really--Elveonora (talk) 13:50, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Did you fail to consider that when the tailed beast chakra's were pulled out of Obito, who was the Juubi's jinchūriki, the portion of Gyūki stored within became a second Gyūki? Go back and read that chapter. Who's to say that isn't what happened with Naruto? ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 14:21, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Which is part of my problem and why I am hesitant to go with the "pseudo" thing. Like I keep saying, the fact that an entirely different Kurama existed within Minato is bothersome.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 14:24, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * People in the series considered Naruto a jinchhuriki with half a TB only, the same goes for Minato. But the same doesn't goes for the 1-Tail to 8-Tail In Naruto. Hagoromo would have said that you're a Jinchuuriki of all TB if he wanted, but he didn't, he just said that Naruto has Chakra from all TB.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 14:30, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Gyūki wasn't divided in Yin and Yang though. The entire situation is strange to say the least. I say we hold off of making any changes for now. Maybe the raws or subsequent chapters will shed some light.--Reliops (talk) 14:32, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * ....And? That's the point. A mere tentacle of Gyūki was in the Ten-Tails when Obito was the jinchūriki and when it was pulled out, there were literally two Gyūki standing right beside each other. The chakra inside of Naruto is conscious enough to both give him aid and hold conversations with him and Hagoromo. Furthermore, @Mercurious, that is a ridiculous notion. Naruto had a full half of Kurama within him, which you lot say is enough to make him (and Minato) a jinchūriki, and Hagoromo simply said he had all their chakra within him. So does that mean, by your definition and logic, Naruto isn't a jinchūriki of any of them? Don't be ridiculous. This chapter hasn't disproved anything we've added up until now. Minato is the crux in this argument. If he's a jinchūriki for having only half of a tailed beast inside him (same goes for Naruto), the Naruto is a jinchūriki for having a portion of them (we don't know how much) inside of him. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 15:40, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not my point. Naruto was called a Jinchuuriki, while he had a half tailed beast only. Minato is no different than Naruto. If Naruto a Jinchuuriki, then Minato is. Kinkaku was never called a Jinchuuriki, yet he had a TB chakra within him. That is the difference between Jinchuuriki and the so-called pseudo. Does he need to be the Jinchuuriki of all nine if he has their Chakra. Hagoromo could have said that Naruto is a Jinchuuriki of all Nine, but he didn't. He said that Naruto had their Chakra.

If you'll talk about them having a consciousness then pretty much it's the so called place of meeting. He said that you all will be able to communicate with each other. But if Naruto has a different nine TB then those communicating will be different, and that's ridiculous. In any case, that's not important I guess. You guys went and listed Obito as Jinchuuriki for Shukaku and Gyuuki, of course you would do the same for Naruto. Btw, you mentioned B, B is alive because he has one tail worth of Chakra from Gyuuki, does this mean that he has a different TB than the Gyuuki inside the TT?--MERCURIOUS (talk) 16:08, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

For the last time I'm gonna bother put emphasis on this, but Kurama having been split into Yin Kurama and Yang Kurama by Shiki Fujin isn't the same as being given a part of someone's chakra. There are literary two whole Kurama's, there are only one each of the other 8 Tailed Beasts though. They haven't been cloned, Hagoromo said that they can meet up inside of Naruto when they want, not that their clones will always be with Naruto--Elveonora (talk) 16:10, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

kekkei mora
Are you guys even remotely serious? It's not him molding the natures, the Tailed Beasts phantoms are. When people wanted to add Naruto as kekkei genkai user, it was removed, because "it is tailed beast skill, not genetic" and yet, kekkei mora gets added even though it's same as kekkei genkai just the highest level? Makes sense "sarcasm"--Elveonora (talk) 13:55, September 10, 2014 (UTC) The whole Kekkei part of it is confusing as hell. Aside from Hagoromo (and Hamura I would say), who had TSB before becoming a jinchūriki and was thus likely born with it, no one else gained it naturally.
 * Kaguya fused with the Shinju.
 * Obito and Madara became Jūbi jinchūriki.
 * Naruto has all the TB chakra so he's the same as them to a significant degree.

I find the term confusing as hell. It shouldn't be considered Bloodline-anything, and yet it is called that.--Reliops (talk) 14:06, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, kekkei tota can be taught, so there's that.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 14:31, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Dust Release being "passed down" could mean a number of things, including that Ōnoki might have been born with 3 affinities and simply had the potential to use it and was thus taught how. I really wish Kishimoto had called it something else because Kekkei implies Naruto would have the techniques himself now that he gained all TB chakra, which I don't even know is impossible anymore since Obito was able to use his TSB (staff) after he had the Jūbi extracted from him, which could mean a number of things, including that his DNA was changed permanently to be abel to use it. Weird, I know.--Reliops (talk) 15:06, September 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * @Reliops especially if you look on Kaguya who ate fruit gained chakra(and all her KKG`s) and passed down them to her children through dna.///Rage gtx (talk) 15:15, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Very true. Hagoromo and Hamura were both seen wielding identical shakujo made from TSB material so I'm guessing they were born as pseudo jinchūriki and inherited Kekkei Mōra naturally.--Reliops (talk) 15:21, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

@Elve: Oh really, so Obito had kekkei mōra prior to being a jinchūriki? Madara? Hagoromo? How about Kaguya before she ate the fruit and became the progenitor of chakra? Its very clear that there is nothing genetic about kekkei mōra and the TSB. Hagoromo directly compared Naruto to Kaguya by saying that they both had all nine tailed beasts chakra inside of them, so, considering that all known containers of either the nine beasts and/or the Ten-Tails gain the TSB kekkei mōra... I'd say the Bijū are the common factor here, wouldn't you? Or are you really suggesting that Madara, Obito, and Hagoromo molded all five natures and Yin-Yang together themselves? I'll take a rain check on that. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 15:49, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * The term basically says it's genetic tho. So Naruto shouldn't be considered a user--Elveonora (talk) 16:06, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I'm with you for the most part, Foxie, but Hagoromo had TSB before he became the Juūbi jinchūriki and Hamura also wielded a shakujo of the same substance, so I'm assuming they were both born with Kekkei Mōra, in which case, I suppose the name would make a little more sense, but then again, Indra and Ashura inherited different abilities from Hagoromo, so I guess not.

@Elveonora - genetics don't have squat to do with with it since neither Kaguya, nor Obito or Madara obtained it through genetics. Obito continued to be able to use it TSB after he lost the Jūbi, so my guess is that's Kekkei Mōra genetically alters the hosts of all nine bijū to become capable of it. That is the only logical explanation I can think of.--Reliops (talk) 16:09, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

My point is that if you truly insist on him being listed as kekkei mora user then you might as well list him as kekkei genkai user and add Lava Release etc. to his list of kekkei genkai, because it's the same thing--Elveonora (talk) 16:26, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * And I think he should be since jinchūriki evidently retain their bijū powers even after extraction.--Reliops (talk) 18:40, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * But he was never their jinchuuriki.--Elveonora (talk) 22:22, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * According to you and you alone. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 22:45, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * No, according to the author. If you deem me the author, then you are giving me too much credit--Elveonora (talk) 10:37, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

I think we only agree that through the portion of Tailed Beast Chakra that he was given from each of the other Tailed Beasts besides Kurama, he was able to mold the different types of chakra nature into his juts us, such as the scene in when he had different chakra nature rasenshurikens ([Sage Art: Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken])Psogen (talk) 11:49, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Except he was seen talking to them when using those Rasengans. Not once was he seen talking to them when it comes to the TSB. If the Tailed Beasts dose Naruto with their natures for his TSB, why would he separately ask them in case of the Rasengans?--Elve Talk Page 12:09, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto Yin Release
Rainonme2 (talk) 18:01, September 10, 2014 (UTC)Naruto's ProfileRainonme2 (talk) 18:01, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Since it's been confirmed that the truth-seeking balls have Yin-Yang release, shouldn't it say that Naruto has Yin release as well as Yang release on his profile since Yin-Yang release can only be made by both?
 * No, since he shouldn't have any natures besides Wind Release in his infobox to begin with. Just Because Kaguya's Truth Seeking Balls are x natures doesn't mean so are Naruto's--Elveonora (talk) 18:07, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I knew this would come up within the day. Yes, Naruto has TSB. TSB is a Kekkei Mōra. TSB is compromised of all 5 basic elemental natures and Yin-Yang. Yin should be added to the list. But it's not going to because then Elveonora would throw a fit and the sysops are tired of it, so in the interest of avoiding that, they're not adding Yin.--Reliops (talk) 18:39, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. Even though he still holds on to the ridiculous theory that naruto only nature is wind in general and his TSB. Riptide240 (talk) 19:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Manga evidence support it, but whatever, go on Naruto fanboys, eat his ***, you are good at it.--Elveonora (talk) 22:21, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Again, in your mind, and yours alone. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 22:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I have just one simple question for you Elveonora. How can one have Yin-Yang if one lacks Yin?--Reliops (talk) 01:11, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * Read above. He doesn't believe Naruto has any other element other than wind, because apparently, he missed the last fifty chapters of the manga. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 01:16, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree it's nonsensical to list YYR bot not Yin. In my opinion both YYR and Yang should be removed--Elveonora (talk) 10:36, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Lightning Release
So I was just reading the wiki when I came across lightning release under Naruto's chakra type. I haven't seen him use Lighting Release, so is it alright to say he can use it?
 * Since he uses the Truth-Seeking Balls, that means he can use every nature associated with it, so Lightning Release as well.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg JOA20 13:42, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * This is exactly why it's a stupid idea to add those natures... • Seelentau 愛 議 14:17, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * {Sigh}... I knew someone was going to ask this question... -- WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 14:39, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Well guys we havent seen the sage of 6 paths use the 5 basic natures but we added him as a user because it was stated and naruto was stated also so there you have it. September 28, 2014

We don't even have any evidence what natures do Naruto's Truth Seeking Balls use. It's just "obvious" to some individuals around here, well, not obvious to me, for lack of any evidence and existence of contrary evidence--Elve Talk Page 17:12, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't care what's obvious to you. Deal with it. TSB use those natures. He uses TSB, he has those natures. Go fume about it elsewhere or write Kishi hatemail if it bothers you that much. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 03:43, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll agree with Elve on this matter of the TSB's.....calm down Foxie --Hisana456 (talk) 03:53, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * @Foxie, oh, the notion of Naruto's TSB having all natures doesn't bother me one bit. What bothers me is lack of any evidence for it. And there's evidence for contrary, so that's that. Have you seen:

No, no, no, no and no. What I saw tho is Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken made of TSB having been just Wind Release and Naruto begging for Natures to use Rasengan variants, so why not beg for TSB natures? Simple, his are just Wind Release.--Elve Talk Page 12:36, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * A hole appearing on Naruto's palm, with the TSB entering said hole to change shape?
 * Dust Release effect?
 * Ninjutsu nullification?
 * Complex shapes?
 * Naruto begging Tailed Beasts for natures to make his TSB?

Tailed Beast Boost?
Is it me or did his Bijuu Mode get a lot bigger after receiving Hagoromo's chakra? Against Obito it was roughtly the size of Sasuke's complete Susanoo whereas it now sports the same size as his Perfect Susanoo.

Considering that Madara's perfect Susanoo was the same size as the original Kurama, I think we should consider that Naruto's Bijuu mode indeed got bigger.--World Master (talk) 14:01, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Madara's KS was twice the size of Kurama, I think. It towered mountains. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:22, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * As far as the original valley of the end battle showed, Madara's Susanoo is 1.5x the size of Hashirama's Mokujin and roughly the same size as Kurama originally was. The reason it appear much bigger now is because Minato separated Kurama's chakra in half, hence why it's twice it's current size. --World Master (talk) 14:56, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

Kishi pretty much ignores the whole Kurama shrink. He is also inconsistent with size of summons, they appear much smaller now. For Susanoo size, its size can be changed--Elve Talk Page 16:46, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

I'm still yet to see
This discussion is closed.

Any evidence regarding claims of kekkei mora and ninjutsu nullification. What I saw was Naruto shield himself with chakra arm rather than TSB bubble Obito-style and not-nullifying Sasuke's Susanoo. Once you've got any evidence and he performs those feats, let me know, perhaps in chapter 701 will you.--Elve Talk Page 18:06, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

There's no evidence for his being different. And I doubt we'll see anything new, considering Sasuke just destroyed his last three (but he can actually damage the ten tails jinchuuriki now, so it doesn't surprise me). MangekyoSasuke (talk) 18:11, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

My God, Elve, seriously? You're bringing up the TSB debate again? With all due respect, let it go. And if this becomes a huge debate, I'm staying out of it. • WindStar7125     18:32, October 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * It's not getting that far. This discussion is closed.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 18:46, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

Hey guys, for the abilities bit, can we say that he has grown as strong as Hagoromo, because so was Sasuke and yet Naruto was just as strong. Anu-Generation (talk) 17:51, October 23, 2014 (UTC)