Talk:Cloud-Style Front Beheading

Ninjutsu
This can´t be ninjutsu its a kenjutsu :O--Torune (talk) 09:22, December 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Kenjutsu = ninjutsu. —ShounenSuki (talk 11:55, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

It should probably be noted this is probably a ranged chakra-blade attack, Kamui was doing along with the Samurai before they got in close with the Zetsu. ZeroSD (talk) 13:53, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. The Inuzuka present were also doing attacks that we know are close range attacks, as well. Though, the sword attack does kinda remind me of the "succession"(think that's what they were called) techniques that Kenshin did in Rurouni Kenshin to attack distant foes.

@Shounen: Kenjutsu = Ninjutsu? Would this mean every time Tenten uses her ranged weapon skills, she's using Ninjutsu, then? --Alexdhamp (talk) 17:24, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Kenjutsu is ninjutsu with a sword and in the same vein what Tenten does is ninjutsu with weapons. They all fall under the same broad heading.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 17:30, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Any technique that involves weapons are considered ninjutsu. Taijutsu really is simply using the abilities and your body gives you, without any special modifications or implements. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:46, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * See, this is what always confused me. I always thought Taijutsu merely meant "Martial Arts" and just referred to such skills and abilities. I always thought Kenjutsu was a part of Martial Arts because you tend to have the opportunity to be taught sword(and other weapons) techniques/usage in higher levels in real life. Kishi's not using Taijutsu or Kenjutsu this way? --Alexdhamp (talk) 19:10, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * There's also the question of the Samurai..who's Kenjutsu attacks you can't qualify as Ninjutsu because they're not Ninja. --Alexdhamp (talk) 19:15, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * In real life, taijutsu isn't martial arts in general. It's a specific kind of martial arts. Namely those also referred to as 'empty hand' martial arts. In other words, those martial arts focussing on fighting solely with the body and not with weapons. E.g. karate, jūdō, jūjutsu, and to a lesser extend aikidō.
 * Within the shinobi society, weapon-based techniques like kenjutsu are classified as ninjutsu, simply because they are not genjutsu or taijutsu. The samurai society probably uses their own classification system and probably classify kenjutsu as, well, kenjutsu. —ShounenSuki (talk 19:30, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, that makes sense within Naruverse's constraints with the Shinobi society, especially if you consider ninja weapons as tools. I think I remember, now, it being said somewhere that Shinobi tool usage is considered Ninjutsu(which is odd to me..as it implies everytime Sasuke swings his Kusanagi katana or Tenten throws a kunai/shuriken/other pointy object..it's a Ninjutsu...makes no sense to me). As for real world Taijutsu, Aikidou has a sword style or set of techniques called Aiki-ken. Also, Daitou-ryuu Aiki-juujutsu has been associated with Kashima Shinden Jikishinkage-ryuu since it's conception. A Chinese art, Baguazhang, has Baguajian and Baguadao. This line of thought had always made me wonder if Kenjutsu(and other weapon-usage styles like Tenten's, for example) should be categorized in how it's executed. Like, whether or not they utilize Stamina(like normal body movements do), Chakra Control(and then, what kind..elemental and/or spatial)..or even Chakra Flow. But, as you said, this is all pretty moot as I just noticed Dance of the Crescent Moon(which I had always assumed used Stamina to execute since I see no chakra effects) is labelled as a Ninjutsu and I assume that designation came from the databook, and thus directly from Kishimoto, himself. So... :/ --Alexdhamp (talk) 22:25, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * You're taking it too literally now. The weapons are tools yes, and when employed in techs they're ninjutu "ninja techniques" As for Hayate's technique it also uses shadow clones which takes chakra to perform.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 22:31, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right. I got a bad habit of thinking too critically on things sometimes. As for Hayate's technique...I had thought that was just an after-image effect used by Kishi to show speed or swiftness of the attack(because if they were Shadow Clones, then why didn't they attack Baku, as well?). Similar to Neji's and Hinata's fight in the Chuunin Exams, or when Hinata tried to assault Pain just before she tried to use Soushiken on him and he Shinra Tensei'd her. --Alexdhamp (talk) 22:46, June 10, 2011 (UTC)