Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34436445-20180604184258/@comment-34194151-20180711004347

@Legion of zero,

That's the issue, Madara doesn't have phase hax but that is deflecting from the point. Regardless, Minato got tagged by the chain. If he is so omnipotent and omniscient, why didn't he teleport before he got hit by the chain. He was clearly not expecting it is the point, and reacted to it after the fact.

Experience matters a ton, that's why I keep bring it up. Experience, experience, experience. Experience itself grants intelligence, wisdom, and skills and mastery. Why do you think Killer Bee beat sasuke and his crew so easily? Because he outclassed them in experience, and the skills he honed, especially in swordsmanship. When someone is more experienced than you, you have to study that individual and come up with a plan of action that specifically counters them is the issue. But that often takes time. Shikamaru beat Hidan with tactics because he had prep and he survived a battle with him (by luck, since Pain forced Hidan and Kakazu to retreat). Furthermore, if someone is more experienced than you, you also simply to have show them unfamiliar weapons, strategies, and tools. Kakazu clearly had no idea that Shikamaru could infuse his chakra into Asuma's tools, so he was outsmarted by it, but that was because his experience didn't cover that. Kakazu died only to Naruto, because Naruto is unorthodox like I said before. Multi-shadow clone jutsu spam is rare, Kakazu had limited experience fighting that, and naruto is smarter than the fandom gives him credit for. Kakazu survived a battle against Hashirama, is all we know. Hashirama is a bit of a pacifist at times, plus Kakazu is hard to kill without full intel. Hashirama more than likely clapped kakazu and left, but kakazu's hearts revived him and he retreated.

Back to Minato, I already mentioned this in a previous comment, but you didn't seem to address it. If Madara had never seen FTG before, I would give Minato the win, because he is smart enough to analyze madara and use the FTG against him cleverly. But the issue is FTG is within Madara's vast experience. The examples you keep bringing up involve characters who were either extensively prepared for before the fight even began or they were up against unorthodox styles that they hadn't seen before.

Just to give you an example of a character who I think has no buisness fighting Madara, but could actually steal a win, lets look at Neji vs Madara. Madara has way more experience and outstats NEji everywhere. But in THEORY he could steal a win off Madara because we don't know if Madara ever faced a Hyuga. Neji is outclassed in experience by a long shot, but he in particular specializes in the UNORTHODOX gentle fist taijutsu, and is experience and genius in taijutsu would surpass Madara's because he speficially trained  all his time in this unique and unorthodox taijutsu. Madara almost always starts off with taijutsu, and his experience would work against him and Neji would end up sealing his chakra points. But this only works if we assume Madara's vast experience doesn't cover knowledge of the gentle fist taijutsu specialists. If he knows about the Hyuga and Gentle Fist, then Neji stands no chance at all. Same issue with Minato, its because Madara knows about the FTG that Minato can't win, given that Madara outlasses Minato in everything else except for speed basically.