Talk:Orochimaru

Barrier ninjutsu
It was mentioned by Kabuto in chapter 290 Orochimaru used a barrier jutsu to protect his former vessel. I think it ought to be noted in his Other Skills subsection. Evidence: no links --Reliops (talk) 18:53, May 1, 2013 (UTC)Reliops
 * Do not link to scanlations, those are technically illegal. Just indicate chapter and page. I'm looking at two different translations, but only one mentions it being a barrier ninjutsu. We'd need to take a look at the raw. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:01, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

If you were to go on mangahere, chapter 290 pg 6 says he used a barrier ninjutsu to protect his vessel.JaZZBaND (talk) 21:03, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * And like I said, reading another scanlation, they don't use the term barrier ninjutsu, hence I pointed out the need of checking a raw. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:10, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok. From what I can tell, though, is that in the 3 scanlations I saw, in addition to the raw, all seem to point to him using a "technique". Whether it's a barrier ninjutsu, or not, it does need mentioning, IMO. So, whatever you come up with, I will agree to.JaZZBaND (talk) 21:18, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

substitute technique?
Perhaps some still remember my living corpse reincarnation topic and as you may know, it works by him swallowing a host and taking over by suppressing the host's soul and transferring his own into that individual's body, his own body then logically (soulless) dies. He wears a mask to appear like himself etc. but in case of Zetsu transfer, not only Oro's snake form looked differently, but the way he did it changed as well, entering the victim's mouth instead of swallowing, and physically merging and changing instead of just taking over with his soul. I believe I have come with a solution for this, that is what he first did was in fact White Snake Possession to enter the clone's body (I know it's ova only, this wouldn't be the first time when a technique or a concept appeared first in anime before canon) and then used Living Corpse Reincarnation the reason being for why he has changed into his original form is that through the zetsu clone body, he used Substitute Technique with his own chakra and changed into "himself" /solved?--Elveonora (talk) 17:01, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * I did some thinking on what exactly you mean, and I have to say that I agree. I admit, I was skeptical as to the differences between what he did to the Zetsu clone and Genryuumaru. Also, the same goes for what he was trying to do to Sasuke, during their brief battle. In addition, the way he took over the Zetsu clone body was, oddly, the EXACT SAME WAY as he did in that ova to Kajika; he took on Oro's eyes and voice, and ect ( before he took on his complete appearance/ before substitute technique ). As for the Substitute technique, I agree completely, as I was pondering the same thing! I used to be under the impression that he uses the Vanishing facial copy thing to replace his appearance. But after seeing that weird transformation, I noticed it was similar to Zetsu clones in the anime. I agree that, since we have a lot of evidence and it totally stands to reason he should have the the substitute technique, that we add the jutsu to his listing. I mean, we DID add wood release and the mention of sage mode, so why not the Substitute Technique? JaZZBaND (talk) 17:19, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you a lot, the only reason why I even bothered to bring this up is because it surprisingly even makes sense and is logical and doesn't contradict anything, I would like an opinion of more people this time and not my topic getting ignored or forgotten (again... T_T)--Elveonora (talk) 17:47, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * So what do we do now? JaZZBaND (talk) 18:27, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'm gonna kneel and pray for someone competent to actually give a damn in the least--Elveonora (talk) 18:32, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Well, it is a logical way to explain the differences on how the body changed between Orochimaru taking over Zetsu and Orochimaru took over other hosts, but until that actually becomes an issue in-universe, I don't quite see the necessity of pointing that out. I'm just not sure on why we'd bump White Snake Possession up the canon ladder. The use of Zetsu's Substitute Technique should be enough to account for the morphing into Orochimaru, even if he entered the host differently. For the moment, I see this explanation as a back up: if this ever becomes a subject of scrutiny, we already have an answer for it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:43, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for an acknowledgment ;) well, from my point of view, it's not a matter of issue rather accuracy of information provided/details etc. and this wouldn't be the first thing listed that wasn't spelled out word by word but rather concluded by materials already provided, thought and logic. You know to this day articles like Body Flame Technique and some others irk me, if it were on me alone, I would either drastically change, put up a "possibly false" notice or delete them. I'm sure not even 1% of fanbase gives a damn about this specific "issue" or rather case, but thankfully there are some that do, (I wonder who that may be...) but you do admit it contradicts everything we know about Living Corpse Reincarnation I guess so rather to assume it's a retcon or Orochimaru improved somehow on while being dead or simply Kishi decided to change it on a whim, this is what happened. Not to mention Orochimaru changing into... "Orochimaru" looks exactly the way Zetsu change into people and back. For the white snake possession, I find that one important as well as he couldn't just transform into white snake himself and swallow that clone since he was gonna die but had to do it through an alternative and that also fits the description.--Elveonora (talk) 18:55, May 5, 2013 (UTC)