Talk:Sasuke Uchiha

'''SPECULATIONS WILL BE REMOVED. SASUKE HAS TSUKUYOMI AS IT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR SUSANOO, ANY COMMENT SAYING HE DOES NOT HAVE TSUKUYOMI WILL BE REMOVED.'''

What he attacks.
"Sasuke attacks what seems to be the White Zetsu clone"

Looks pretty obvious to me that it's a White Zetsu clone. Should we alter it to say it is, or leave it? SusanooUnleashed (talk) 02:24, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * This was my variation. I'm in favour for making it straight Faust-RSI (talk) 10:26, September 1, 2011 (UTC).
 * I think it's a White Zetsu clone as well, but I understand why someone would want to keep it on the safe side. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:04, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Eternal MS
We need a major overaul on this page now that his MS is revealed. I cant edit though so i need someone else to do it
 * You can still ad suggestions here. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 09:34, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Also can someone add that he killed the original white zetsu, and not a white zetsu clone? You can tell because the side of his face is missing, whereas with the clones their faces are complete.
 * See Zetsu's talk page, it wasn't the real White Zetsu.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 17:49, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

I fail to see how major changes are required. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:04, September 1, 2011 (UTC)

Psychopathy
Is it really our place to say that Sasuke is borderline psychopathic? Is anyone here a mental health professional who can attest that? I know Sasuke is very evil and all, but I don't think we should use such terms unless someone in the series describes Sasuke as such. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:50, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol I agree, he seems fine to me now and I don't thing psychopathy is a temporary thing. It's just that given the circumstances especially who he was fighting he became uhm... very driven?--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 19:59, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Psychopaths, in the psychological sense and not the pop-cultural one, are at their most basic people who lack empathy. Sasuke is capable of such emotions, as directed towards his brother, but his hatred has become so intense that he lacks empathy towards nearly everyone else, as shown when he almost killed Karin because she was being held hostage. 207.216.212.126 (talk) 10:01, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Which means he is psychopath or not? --VolteMetalic (talk) 11:06, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Which means he isn't since he is still capable of empathy, but as for Psychopathy being a temporary thing, it is possible for people to become temporarily insane through suffering a psychotic break, which is basically page for page what happened to Sasuke after Tobi revealed the truth to him. He became cold, dark, driven, seemingly completely unconcerned with his own safety or that of others and focused entirely on killing those who wronged him. While his condition has stabilized, there really is no doubt that the guy walks a thin line between sanity and full on loony toons. --86.148.147.247 (talk) 21:13, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Weapon?
Didn't Sasuke use a chakra sword enveloped in Amaterasu, rather than an arrow, as the article states? It's pretty clear that Susano'o used its hand to wield it, and impale the Zetsu clone, rather than shoot it with a bow, which is nowhere to be seen... 95.42.184.104 (talk) 23:56, September 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say it was a sword. 207.216.212.126 (talk) 09:52, September 6, 2011 (UTC)

It was a sword. Its clearly a sword. I don't know why they put it as an arrow. 72.66.90.246 (talk) 22:41, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

It wasn't a sword. If you actually go and check, you'll see that it's an arrow. That's how Sasuke's Susanoo holds its arrows and always has. Skitts (talk) 22:52, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * To be fair. Sasuke's Susanoo did have a sword once. Maybe it is a sword though it doesn't really make sense that it still has a bow in its left hand...--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 23:06, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

I can see how you would think it was a sword, it's jsut I was watching the anime earlier and it's arrows looked just like that. Skitts (talk) 23:30, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Eternal Mangekyo
Under Kekkei Genkai, it should be mentioned that he has the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan (or does it just come under Mangekyo Sharingan?) --speysider (talk) 12:12, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * The latter, there's no template to support an EMS icon.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 12:55, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah ok. It could be done by simply using the Mangekyo icon with Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan as the text. --speysider (talk) 14:53, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

sasuke enternal pic is across the web  use  the there  eyes  for each user sence there  all different  also sence theres only 2 users it should be easy


 * ^SIGN YOUR POSTS! And, afaik, there were more than 2 users who obtained an Eternal Mangekyo (probably wrong) --speysider (talk) 15:19, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

When Itachi told Sasuke about who Madara was and how he got the EMS, Itachi claimed that for generations, the Uchiha "killed their friends to attain power, and killed their siblings to make it permanent". Whether they actually did it depends on Itachi telling the truth, and if they actually succeeded in attaining the EMS. And since EMS is an exchange of MS, we don't list it in infoboxes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:03, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well we used to not list it, SimAnt created the template for it so the complaints for it should stop.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 22:12, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * @Omnibender: I guess.
 * @Cerez365: Nobody is complaining. --speysider (talk) 07:22, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

In this section (i.e. Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan), an editor mentioned that Susanoo wields another weapon on its left hand. Hasn't that already been clarified as the bow? Burra101 (talk) 16:42, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * After Sasuke gets EMS, the weapon isn't clearly seen, so we don't know if it's the bow he had when he used regular MS or a variation of the sword. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:43, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

Rasengan
Umm Just a question but since sasuke has sharingan couldnt he technically use rasengan? Cda081799 (talk) 02:06, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just because he's seen it, it doesn't mean he knows or will use it. Until Sasuke suddenly shows up using a Rasengan, he doesn't have it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:26, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yea Sasuke could use the rasengan but we will never in a million years see him use it. Sasake can use the Shadow clone technique as well but never uses it. Besides, sasuke would never master the rasengan to the extend that naruto has. Kakashi and Minato couldn't even do it.68.216.154.2 (talk) 04:31, September 19, 2011 (UTC)TailedBeast
 * You're assuming he can use the Rasengan and Shadow Clone Technique. Not everything that a Sharingan sees the user can perform. It all comes down to whether or not they themselves have the ability to use it.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 10:16, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Ok first of all sasuke learned how to use the shadow clone way before naruto. Second, im pretty sure sasuke could use the rasengan if he wanted to, sharingan or not. Ethier he could copy it or learn how to use it himself cause the sharingan can memerize just about any technique but like i said before, we will never see him use it.TailedBeast (talk) 02:45, September 20, 2011 (UTC)TailedBeast
 * Sasuke learned to use the Clone Technique, not the Shadow Clone Technique. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:48, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Still, being able to memorise something, does not mean you'll be able to do it. Theory use and practical are two entirely different things.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 02:52, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure everyone can use shadow clones cause itachi, Konohamaru and kakashi can all use it and i still say sasuke can use the rasengan if his sharingan can copy it. If not then he can still get taught on how to use it but he is smart enough to find out on his own from studying it.TailedBeastTailedBeast (talk) 15:24, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Shadow Clone is a jōnin level technique, so no, not everyone can use it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:40, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

LOL no i meant anyone could use it including a genin.TailedBeast65.0.108.106 (talk) 20:18, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

Eternal sharingan?
besides stopping the spread of major eye blindness due to cataracts, has there been any evidence of eternal mangekyou sharingan actually doing something beneficial for the user? i could have sworn madara/tobi said something to sasuke about the beneficial effects of E.M.S, but i dont remember the chapter.

[by the way- i think it's safe to assume that mangekyou gives you some type of cataract in the eye, just look at that glossy glazed look sasuke had when he fought kakashi & naruto (this was just a little tidbit that i found amusing .lol)]


 * Have you ever seen a blind person? Their eyes are pale his is in the middle

2myname1 (talk) 19:23, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

better picture of eternal Mangekyō Sharingan
i was reading a naruto manga and there was a better picture of the eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, should someone add it

here's the link so you can see it http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/556/19--

It's a FANART akz! (talk)   02:10, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

who cares it's still a better picture--

It does because its a fan interpretation not from Kishi or the animators. when it comes to colors and design, Manga/anime is king regardless what we think. Fan colorings are no more than fanfiction which is a no no.Umishiru (talk) 02:56, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Blaze release.
Why was it removed from his info box?Umishiru (talk) 02:15, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Fixed.Umishiru (talk) 02:54, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

beside make the user see what does enternal do
does it give new powers make new powers more advance seeing any speed or some thing like that (74.141.196.236 (talk) 02:24, October 2, 2011 (UTC))
 * When Itachi first talked about it, they way he spoke about EMS was rather ambiguous. It could be interpreted as the EMS being born, or as an EMS technique becoming accessible. Sasuke showed us that it did upgrade his Susanoo though. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:34, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

so does that mean all the sharingan powers upgraded (74.141.196.236 (talk) 02:37, October 2, 2011 (UTC))
 * We'll have to wait until Sasuke starts spamming EMS techniques to know for sure. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:45, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

Well sasuke can see in the dark now and probably got new upgrades to his Sasunoo. I wonder if it has the Sword of Totsuka or the Yata Mirror.TailedBeast (talk) 07:32, October 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, Sasuke's seeing in the dark was just a reference to him not being legally blind anymore. It's not a new ability or anything like that.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 14:25, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Can awaken Rinnegan now.
I see now how Tobi was planning on making Sasuke sync with the Gedo Mazo. Now that Sasuke has the Eternal Mangekyo he can awaken the Rinnegan. So that info should be put in his abilities section. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:50, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, we don't know how Madara awakened the Rinnegan.--Deva 27 20:53, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

We know that is Tobi's plans. However, it is not going to be added until he is actually shown, you know, doing it. He has the potential to awaken it, but he hasn't. Skitts (talk) 20:54, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah I know we know Tobi's plans, but now we know how he plans on making them happen. Also, Deva, its obvious to how the Rinnegan is awakened. It is awakened by Extreme Emotion, just like with the Mangekyo. Look at how Nagato awakened his, he was extremely Enraged. I'm assuming extreme Rage and the urge for revenge all at once is what awaken's the Rinnegan, but only after the EMS is obtained can the Rinnegan be awakened in an Uchiha. All this is evident if you go back through the manga like I did, and re-read the recent chapters. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:09, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now you're just speculating. If extreme emotion was the only prerequisite to unlocking the Rinnegan, then some of the jinchuriki would have awakened it. And if it requires the EMS like you suggest, then how was Nagato able to awaken it?

That was a rhetorical question, by the way. It cannot be answered without speculation.Ryne 91 (talk) 07:16, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to remind everyone that this isn't the place for speculation. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:58, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

narutopedia adds stuff to its pages according to facts not speculations.--Charmanking2198 (talk) 13:09, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

Part 1 Speed
In the abilities section, it says that he was able to match Naruto's speed in his two jinchuuricki forms after gaining the third tomoe to his Sharingan, but wasn't that simply him predicting his movements and dodging accordingly? Skitts (talk) 05:30, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

What it should say is he was able to match those speeds once he reached his Cursed Seal 2 stage. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:10, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Killing Intent?
Has anyone noticed that Sasuke never killed someone in the series (except the Zetsu clone)? Maybe we can put this as a trivia.

Even if that were true, it isn't trivia worthy, as we tend to stay away from things like that. Anyway, he killed Danzo, a Zetsu clone, and tons of samurai at the Five Kage Summit. Skitts (talk) 00:03, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Danzo killed himself, with the Reverse Four Symbols Sealing Technique. Samurai and Zetsu clone are so... random.

What are you talking about? Danzo didn't kill himself. Sasuke shot him through the heart with Chidori Sharp Spear. All that the Reverse Four Symbols Sealing Technique does is activate upon death, it does not cause it. Anyway, you're trying to be selective to prove you point. O.o This is not trivia worthy, nor is it true. Skitts (talk) 00:11, October 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * Danzo was close into death by Sasuke, so he did killed, as for the Samurai, well I really don't think they're "so random".-- 00:17, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Dagger
When did Sasuke used a dagger???--Omojuze (talk) 18:04, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

I have not noticed as well ... and I'm his fanboy. --Elveonora (talk) 18:16, November 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * I took his name off of the dagger user so it should go away. If it doesn't then i guess we will have to ask an admin to take it away. Joshbl56  18:27, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

EDIT: I think i found the page where the daggers are though he only used them once as far as i remember so i don't think we should add him as a user. Joshbl56 18:39, November 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Those are throwing knives. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:57, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

If they haven't been used, then why they're on Sasuke's page?--Omojuze (talk) 16:15, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe because of this. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 16:20, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

mangekyou debut
In what chapter does Sasuke awaken his Mangekyou Sharingan? --64.30.65.80 (talk) 22:25, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

402 if Im not mistaken --Elveonora (talk) 22:31, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

It was first shown in chapter 402.--Cerez365™ 22:35, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Clothes
Should not he have images of all costumes he wore through the series in his appearance section ? --Elveonora (talk) 17:39, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

We would have that section cluttered with pictures, even if it were a slideshow. Instead, I'm gonna say that we already do have all his different costumes in his storyline part. Joshbl56 19:14, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

I see. --Elveonora (talk) 22:49, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Seeing in the dark
Are we going to use the 'seeing in the dark' thing that Sasuke said literally cause I thought it had to do with him being able to finally see again (as 'being in the dark' is accustom with being blind for the Uchiha)? Joshbl56 09:35, December 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think what he said was meant to be taken literally. Sight in darkness isn't all that special anyway. I think what he meant was simply that he wasn't going blind any more.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 11:47, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

To be honest, I thought Sasuke simply meant he could see fine in the darkness he had always been in. You know, the same darkness he mentioned to Gaara. "I have long since closed my eyes… My only goal lies in the darkness.". I don't think it was meant to be taken literally either. 173.170.192.45 (talk) 05:55, January 28, 2012 (UTC) Zeni6758

Formerly
Some of the jutsus in the infobox are jutsus that he cannot perform anymore, they are: Body Shedding, Cursed Seal of Heaven, Hidden Shadow Snake Hands and Binding Snake Glare Spell. He cannot use them anymore because Orochimaru and the Cursed Seal of Heaven were removed from him during his fight with Itachi. I think we should be put:(Formerly) after the jutsu's name in the infobox.Ultimatex (talk) 16:36, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * The wiki cover all points of the series, not just the current one, and as such because at one point he used the technique, it's there. If that was the case we'd simply remove the techniques from the infobox. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:46, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * I mean we should just put:(Formerly) after the jutsu's name in the infobox, like: Body Shedding (Formerly) similar to how we put (Anime only) or (Game only) after the jutsu's name in the infobox. Ultimatex (talk) 17:58, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Like I said, we don't do that. We used to, a long time ago, but we don't any more. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:30, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * I personally think putting "formerly" on the jutsus he can't use anymore would be helpful for those who aren't as caught up and informed with the manga. Just my 2 cents :/ 76.235.7.222 (talk) 03:05, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Sword of Kusanagi
There is a lot of confusion on which Sword is the true "Kusanagi" of Japanese legend. I would like to ask ShounenSuki or someone again ... you once stated something about possibly Kusanagi not reffering to a specific sword, but rather to a type of swords.

But what if Sasuke's and Orochimaru's swords are one and the same ? Orochimaru's version was seen transforming into a snake and coming to Oro. It's highly presumed when Enma took the sword after the fight with Hiruzen, Orochimaru simply used a summoning technique to get it back since the sword is basically a snake. My point being its kinda the same how Sasuke was not seen retrieving his sword at all, only for it to magically appear in with his latest appearance. Is it not possible Sasuke summoned his sword back just like Orochimaru did ? --Elveonora (talk) 02:13, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Sasuke's sword is apparently just an ordinary chokuto. Your point about the retrieval of his sword is somewhat moot because Tobi can go pretty much anywhere instantly. Also, if the sword is indeed ordinary (and I doubt he'd have waited to use its special abilities this long), then it would be easily replaceable. Skitts (talk) 02:30, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Tear troughs?
The latest chapter does sasuke have tear troughs like itachi now?
 * Yup. What had happened was Tobi integrated Itachi's tear troughs into Sasuke's face in order to No. What you're looking at is a shadow of Sasuke's nose from his face being thrown into what I think is called "relief" from the lightning crashing down.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 18:26, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Sasuke's New Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan
this panels shows a recent picture of Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyo SHaringan that has both sides the same as the other you can use. --BlackGhost91 (talk) 12:30, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

He is correct, it is confirmed the left eye being upside down was an error in the debuting chapter of Sasuke's EMS, it is fixed in this chapter. 72.66.90.246 (talk) 17:55, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

I hope you know that those designs spin. In the manga as well. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:58, February 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * FIXED* It is confirmed the left eye being upside down is correct and the right side was an error instead in the debuting chapter of Sasuke's EMS, it is fixed in this chapter. Also for the rest of the manga chapter it is the way I have just described so the eyes are correct in this chapter. 72.66.90.246 (talk) 18:00, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * What is your source? Jacce | Talk | Contributions 19:08, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

It was not an error, Sharingan rotates. --Elveonora (talk) 22:53, February 17, 2012 (UTC)

New Picture
I know I already said this before but I'm going to say this again. You guys should use the EMS picture in this panel in order replace the one being used right now as that one was an error as the left eye is incorrect. It is not a rotation. --BlackGhost91 (talk) 12:54, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

"Summoning Technique"
Can we get rid of that first paragraph, because it was never confirmed in the manga and therefore is just speculation ? The article clearly states that Sasuke has never used any of his snake techniques since the battle with Itachi so it's clearly obvious that Sasuke only had these snake techniques due to Orochimaru's spirit living inside of him. --speysider (talk) 20:56, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

He can summon a hawk on his own though, so knows how to use it. --Elveonora (talk) 21:08, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

I know he can summon hawks. Your post is completely irrelevant to my question. --speysider (talk) 21:18, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

It's not obvious. The mention he has not used it since then is enough and that it was possibly due to Orochimaru as well. Him not using snakes does not mean he can't. The way it's worded now is good. --Elveonora (talk) 21:29, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

We represent the series from all points, we don't just remove information. It's that Sasuke can't do it anymore.--Deva 27 21:32, March 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know that, stop repeating yourselves, you aren't reading what I'm saying. The first paragraph contains information that is purely speculation. For example, all stuff relating to Sasuke gaining a random Snake Contract that for one, was never shown or even confirmed should not be listed. --speysider (talk) 21:39, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, that part ... "Sasuke was given a contract" while after that it's said something else ... I'm for removal. --Elveonora (talk) 22:36, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Sasuke an Akatsuki?
E.N.A (talk) 01:51, March 20, 2012 (UTC)Is Sasuke really an Akatsuki member after he defeats Itachi Uchiha?E.N.A (talk) 01:51, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well he did affiliated with Tobi right after his fight with Itachi, and since Tobi is an Akatsuki member, Sasuke is part of the Akatsuki. - White Flash - (Talk) - 01:57, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you i have been wondering for agesE.N.A (talk) 02:01, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sasuke is affiliated with Akatsuki, but he's not an Akatsuki member himself. Only those with rings are considered members. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:11, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

thanksE.N.A (talk) 01:07, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Multiple Personality Disorder ?
Is it just me or it's hard to determine Sasuke's personality each time he appears because it's like there are more than one Sasuke ? Notably now it looks like he has reversed to his former Part II. personality. --Elveonora (talk) 16:54, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's simply because of the stimulus (Itachi) placed before him. Sasuke has made it clear that he'd become what he had to in order to achieve his goal. MPD would be if Sasuke had clearly defined personalities that he acted out completely at any given time. What I see from Sasuke is normal human behaviour.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 17:00, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well, when he has killed Zetsus, he has shown "psycho murder personality" He has become the same as Orochimaru if not worse, but now it looks like he has reversed to the one when he killed Orochimaru. (When he was about to kill him, he said that his methods makes him sick playing with other's lifes etc. and now he is the same) He has mercilessly abandoned his friends but now it looks like he feel regret and is concerned about it. He appears as someone mentally handicapped to me. --Elveonora (talk) 17:08, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

He would feel regret because the people who cared about him the most he has abandoned even though they will stop at nothing to get him back.E.N.A (talk) 22:15, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Flashback in 581
The bar that happened in. Anything other than the presence of Konoha-nin there suggesting that the place was actually in Konoha? I think that was simply a random bar, or did I miss anything? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:34, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

There's nothing there that I can see that suggests it's in Konoha. Maybe They just stopped off for a meal while on a mission.--Deva 27 02:03, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Mangeyko Sharingan
The sharingan symbol on Itatchi's info box is sasuke's and not his own
 * Actually it is Sasuke's eternal mangekyo sharingan (his own and Itachi's combined). Also, please sign your posts with ~ . Jacce | Talk | Contributions 07:52, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Part II picture
Would it mind if a part II picture would be added?

Exempli gratia: http://www.google.be/imgres?um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1440&bih=799&tbm=isch&tbnid=Eya5W7_h7Ej41M:&imgrefurl=http://www.fanpop.com/spots/naruto-shippuuden-sasuke-lovers/images/25164018/title/sasuke-uchiha-photo&docid=bcqYV6oSlu_IYM&imgurl=http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/25100000/sasuke-uchiha-naruto-shippuuden-sasuke-lovers-25164018-1280-720.jpg&w=1280&h=720&ei=nBmDT9ffOYmXOq-h6IkH&zoom=1

Derigar (talk) 17:17, April 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you mean to his infobox, then no this wikia doesn't do that. As for everything else, he has plenty of Part II images already.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:19, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Doctor snake
should we add "doctor snake" in his nicname section?? 182.11.1.142 (talk) 01:43, April 10, 2012 (UTC)PlayGround
 * No. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:43, April 10, 2012 (UTC)

Element Affinity
In Shippūden Episode 258, Kakashi told Sasuke as they were starting their training that its is not unheard of for one to have an affinity for two elements. This can be seen from Kekkei Genkai elements like Ice and Wood. On the other hand, if not both, Sasuke's main affinity is for lightning as the chakra paper shriveled up, signifying lightning-type. Can we please come to an agreement that he either has two affinity or simply that his affinity is lighting but also has talent for fire so we don't start an edit war? Steveo920, April 12, 2012, 20:58

That's anime only, the manga has never hinted to that.--Deva 27 01:06, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

That is wrong actually. Well not entirely wrong, but better yet, the way the anime portrayed it is wrong. All of this was explained in the manga and a few arcs back when Naruto was first training with wind release nature manipulation. One can only have one affinity (else in Sasuke's case for example, the paper should've crushed and then burnt up), but it is not uncommon for shinobi to be able to use more than one nature manipulation. Saying lightning is his affinity is misleading and more than likely wrong.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 01:07, April 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I was under the impression that Lightning was always his affinity (as discovered when he was first taught Chidori) and that Fire was more or less a Uchiha clan thing.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 01:38, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * The manga has never said so, it is possible to learn a lightning natured technique without it being an affinity. The same is true for fire techniques.--Deva 27 01:44, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * /nod /nod I see. I remember, moons ago, that Kakashi said something along the lines of "he's the same as me" or some such. Then again, this was back in the good ole' days of Dattebayo Subs and what not so it's possible that it was a mistranslation.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 01:46, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

I remember that as well ... I mean, why would Kakashi teach Sasuke Chidori ? Saying Katon is Sasuke's affinity would be like saying all Uchiha have Katon by default--Elveonora (talk) 13:49, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Poison
In the episode Two Fates Kakashi states that Sakura's poison kunai won't work on Sasuke because Orochimaru made Sasuke immune to poison, however, Itachi sealed Orochimaru away and Sasuke now no longer has his cursed seal. Does this mean that Sasuke isn't immune to poison anymore?
 * He made him immune to most poisons by giving him drugs and building up resistance to poisons, not by granting him that ability when he tried to absorb Sasuke and ended up being absorbed himself. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:18, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Oh ok thanks

Part 1 outfit
I have a good picture of Sasuke for Part 1 of the series, and I wanted to add it, but I can't. can someone unlock it for a little bit under "Aperance" so I can add it or tell me how to Log In? Please tell me! Sasuke-kun9001 (talk) 04:10, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

New Image
What do you think of this new image?-- MaryeShoujo 22:46, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nothing wrong with the current one. Pointless to change. And that image doesn't properly say which episode that is from. The one good thing it has over the current image is quality. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:07, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I like the image. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 10:02, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Proposed image is REALLY blurry imo. Current one is fine. I'll see if I can find a better one for proposal. --Speysider (Talk Page) 10:05, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

My Proposal
How's this? --Speysider (Talk Page) 10:29, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why is he so pouty? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:17, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it was because he was thinking of Naruto getting stronger. I did have a shot from just before that image, but it wasn't very good and I wanted a much more closer looking shot. I'll keep looking though. --Speysider (Talk Page) 18:21, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've updated the image, how does this one look ? And please come up with real problems, not nitpicking issues: I'm sick of seeing them (eg "Some of his hair isn't showing", "His hair looks different" etc) --Speysider (Talk Page) 18:32, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * No real need to change the image. Its giving quite a nice view --Salil Uchiha Symbol.svg (talk) 18:44, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying the image will change, I'm just putting in my proposal... --Speysider (Talk Page) 18:45, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Lol those comments are annoying by the way Sasuke looks arrogant... try to look image which is not looking side view. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 01:12, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sasuke's personality is that he is always arrogant. --Speysider (Talk Page) 07:28, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

But the existing image looks good --Salil (talk) 07:32, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah yeah slipped my mind. I like the quality. The current is 50-50 good-bad. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 08:47, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Tsukuyomi
When did Sasuke use this MS technique? I thought he had left eye: Amaterasu, Right eye: Blaze release and both eyes: Susanoo. Derigar (talk) 12:02, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * In order to use Susanoo, a person needs to be able to use both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 12:07, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

So Sasuke has 2 powers in 1 eye, 1 power in another, and Susanoo in both? Rubbish. He clearly doesn't have Tsukuyomi, latest chapter has all but outright stated it. 60.234.240.243 (talk) 12:34, May 9, 2012 (UTC)KK
 * Yeah it seems he has 2 powers in each eye. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 12:47, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

I'm so tired of this now. It was said that to use Susanoo Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi must be awakened nothing else. UNTIL Masashi Kishimoto says otherwise, it.will.never.change. It doesn't make sense you argue about it. The wikia goes off precedence and the information that we have not what readers feel. This is going to turn out to be another relentless argument about the same thing: nothing. So leave it at that. End of story.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 12:50, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * ^^This. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 12:56, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * @IndxcvNovelist: Read Talkpage Policy. Don't remove my messages again.
 * Notice added to the top so hopefully people take a hint. --Speysider (Talk Page) 13:01, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * While I agree that this wikia does go off precedent, it isn't right to simply dismiss an issue without discussion when potential new evidence comes to light. The reason why this topic is so disputed is because, at least as far as I can tell, we lack any definitive statement or demonstration confirming Sasuke's possession of Tsukuyomi. Now I may be wrong and I apologise for dredging up old issues, but could someone please provide the evidence which makes this matter so indisputable? Blackstar1 (talk) 13:34, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sasuke has not used Tsukuyomi, but it has been confirmed that it is one of the powers needed for Susanoo and since Sasuke has used Susanoo many times, it is safe to assume he is able to use Tsukuyomi. IIRC, he used a very weak version when fighting Danzo, no ? --Speysider (Talk Page) 13:37, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

You don't even have to go based of what Itachi, Sasuke and the Data book said (which all said so anyway). Sasuke used Tsukuyomi on Killer B and on Danzo, both of whom broke the Genjutsu. Skitts (talk) 13:40, May 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks Skitts and Speysider, it's much appreciated, but is there any more definitive evidence (besides maybe the old databook entry on Susanoo)? What specific genjutsu was used on Killer B and Danzō is actually debatable, and neither Sasuke's nor Danzō's remarks really confirm Sasuke's use of Tsukuyomi. I'm not aware of which Itachi statement Skitts is referring to, so could you please specify it as it could help resolve this issue for me. Blackstar1 (talk) 14:03, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Currently, I'm on my phone and thus won't be able to properly post link 'til I've access to my laptop in about 30 minutes. Anyway, against Killer B, Sasuke activated his MS and cast a Genjuutsu on Killer B, with Tsukuyomi being the only one known besides Kotoamatsukami, which Killer B breaks. Danzo specifically refers to Sasuke's Tsukuyomi being very, very inferior to Itachi's, citing Itachi's skill being such that he can control time in the illusion. Also, during the 5 Kage Summit (when he reveealed Susanoo against Gaara, Darui, etc), he referred to Susanoo as the '3rd power that awakens after awakening Tsukuyomi and Materasu'. Skitts (talk) 14:10, May 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * I honestly can't remember Sasuke's fight with Danzo, but with Killer Bee the gentjutsu was Tsukuyomi, complete with greyscale and all. I haven't the foggiest as to why people insist that it isn't just because Sasuke didn't say the name. We've seen Naruto fly onto screen and smash something with a Rasengan, we know he does that we don't say "well that could have been some other ball of chakra".
 * However, all of this is irrelevant anyway because this is just going back into the same back and forth as we've been doing for months. Cerez is correct, Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi. Genjutsu that fit Tsukuyomi's description (particularly the Mangekyo induced greyscale) are Tsukuyomi based on precedent.--TheUltimate3 Uzumaki Symbol.svg (talk) 14:14, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Seriously Speysider? When the hell did I removed that? And I agree with you TU3. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 14:19, May 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * You removed it at the same time as deleting my notice. --Speysider (Talk Page) 14:20, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

That's fine Ultimate, my concern was that we were dismissing Kishi's odd choice for the brother's not to both use Tsukuyomi simply because a very small minority argued this issue repeatedly despite having no new evidence. Anyway, if the greyscale truly typifies the use of Tsukuyomi, then I have no issue with that. Blackstar1 (talk) 14:29, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Here's the link I was looking for. Skitts (talk) 14:50, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

It is unintentional. Sorry. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 14:52, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Can someone link me to what 3rd databook exactly says about this ? Wasn't it referring to just Itachi ? It looks like Sasuke has no Tsukuyomi as of latest chapter.--Elveonora (talk) 00:44, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Elveonora The link I posted in my previous message cements beyond a shadow of a doubt that Sasuke has Tsukuyomi and has used it; in fact, he's used it twice. Anywho, I know that ShounenSuki's translation of the Susanoo article says this (paraphrased and from my memory, so not exact): "Amaterasu, the Light of the Material World and Tsukuyomi, the Darkness of the Spritual World. When these two powers are awakened, the third power, Susanoo, is too" Check ShounenSuki's translation. Skitts (talk) 00:59, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Can Sasuke really use Tsukuyomi?

Yes, I know this issue has been debated to death, but...

It was never mentioned in the manga that he can use it.

The databook entry for Susanoo, which mentions that Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi is needed to awaken Susanoo, is specifically for the user "Itachi".

In the latest chapter, Sasuke resorted to generic genjutsu and not Tsukuyomi.

There is no concrete evidence that Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi.

NoJutsu (talk) 02:24, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you read what Danzo says on the page by following the link I posted two messages ago, YES, for the last time, Sasuke knows and has uses Tsukuyomi. Also, the 3rd databook, as per ShounenSuki's translatiion, specifically mentions that Susanoo is only awakened when the user can use Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. Heck, Sasuke says at the 5 Kage Summit that Susanoo is awakened after awakeneing the two aforementioned techniques. With that said, this discussion is basically over, seeing as 3+ instances/sources answer what has been asked thoroughly. Skitts (talk) 02:32, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

1) Danzo never said Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi.

2) Databook (DB) entries are specific to users, even though in most cases, they can be extrapolated for other users. For example, Chououdama Rasengan requires Sage Mode chakra, but guess what? Naruto can pull it off without Sage Mode chakra. And why is that possible? Because 3rd DB entry was for the user "Jiraiya". Another example is Shiki Fuujin in the 2nd DB was specified for only "Sandaime Hokage", even though it was already hinted in chapter 122 that Minato could use it as well. In the 2nd DB it was given a short range, but we now know Minato can use it from at least mid range.

3) In the Kage Summit, Sasuke stated Susanoo is awakened only after the user has awakened the Mangekyou Sharingan abilities in both eyes. He never mentioned Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu.

'''So do you have any concrete evidence to support your theory? It's better not to make any conclusion than to make a false one.'''

NoJutsu (talk) 03:05, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with NoJutsu. So if he can use it, why he has not done so in the latest chapter and never called any genjutsu of his Tsukuyomi ?

BUT, what he used against Killer B really looked like Tsukuyomi to me--Elveonora (talk) 04:06, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

@NoJutsu I have made no false claims at all. The DB specifically mentions that Susanoo is ONLY awakened when you have Tsuku. and Ama. Sasuke also says the exact same thing at the Five Kage Summit (in the chapter where he blocks the attacks from Darui, Gaara, Temai and Kankuro). And actually, Danzo DOES. Say that Sasuke used Tsukuyomi in the link I posted. Specifically, he says, "That was nothing compared to Itachi's Tsukuyomi which could control the length of the illusion." Had Sasuke used an ordinary Genjutsu there, Danzo wouldn't have made such an arbitrary comparison. Also, Hiruzen said that Minato could use the technique, citing it as what was used to save Konoha. I don't remember seeing any DB translation that said what you posted. Skitts (talk) 04:23, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Skitts, so has Sasuke used just a regular genjutsu in the latest chapter ?--Elveonora (talk) 04:38, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Since the scanlation of the chapter just says 'Genjutsu: Sharingan', most likely. Seems rather in the vein of what Kishimoto did in Part 1 sometimes. For example, Hiruzen said 'Sealing Technique: Dead Demon Consuming Seal'. I'll hope [in vain] that this was just an uber fail scanlation. However, even if you discount the Killer B situation, what Danzo said basically eliminates any notion that Sasuke doesn't have/hasn't used this in my opinion. :X Skitts (talk) 04:47, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

The 2nd DB classified Shiki Fuujin as short range, even though it's now generally agreed that Minato used it from a distance greater than short range. See Dead Demon Consuming Seal. And even though in chapter 122 Hiruzen hinted that Minato is a user of the technique as well, yet the 2nd DB specified only "Sandaime Hokage" as the user. DB entries are specific to the specified users unless stated otherwise.

Danzo contrasting Sasuke's genjutsu to Tsukuyomi doesn't make it Tsukuyomi. Madara contrasting Creation Rebirth to Hashirama's automatic healing ability doesn't make Creation Rebirth an automatic healing ability. A contrasting Naruto's speed to Minato's (before Naruto finally dodged his full power attack) doesn't mean Naruto's speed at that instance was on the same level as Minato's, nor doesn't it mean Naruto's speed is via Hiraishin. Your logic is extremely flawed. If you are going to use such logic for Sasuke's genjutsu then you must be able to explain each of these contrasts made in the manga accordingly.

Sasuke never mentioned Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi in the Kage Summit. He simply mentioned the "Mangekyou Sharingan in both eyes". Do you have prove that he mentioned Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi?

'''I don't have much problem if you guys go on and claim Sasuke has Tsukuyomi. All I'm saying is that the evidence for Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is still sketchy. It's better to leave an issue in silence than make the wrong claim. Or at least, make it clear that the claim is a presumption.'''

NoJutsu (talk) 04:54, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Actually Danzo's statement can be taken in a different way ... he likely meant that Sasuke's genjutsu can't compare to Itachi's Tsukuyomi, not that Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is inferior. What he did against Killer B was sure Tsukuyomi though, if I remember it right then the backgroud was all back and white in that scene and his eye was bleeding ... might check out to prove my statement : P

I think for now we should state that Sasuke CAN use Tsukuyomi but is nowhere as skilled as Itachi is thus he is not using it much unless needed --Elveonora (talk) 04:57, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

An actual proof that Sasuke can and has used Tsukuyomi at least once: http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/413/8 http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/413/9 --Elveonora (talk) 05:15, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

(E/C) It'll be much easier to respond now that I've my laptop. @NoJutsu You've been incorrect about the 2nd DBs contents thus far. Here is ShounenSuki's translation of it:

States that Minato used it. Those aren't contrasts. Madara said that Tsunade's Strength of a Hundred Technique was similar to Hashirama's, and A just mentioned that Naruto was the only one other than Minato who avoided him at his full speed. Danzo however, noted that Sasuke's was inferior to Itachi's. It would be stupidity for him to have been comparing an arbitrary Genjutsu to one of the most powerful Genjusu in existence. Even if you denounce what Danzo said, Sasuke also showed the eye strain typical of the three most used MS techniques when he cast a Genjutsu on Killer B here Skitts (talk) 05:22, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah Skitts, thanks ... :O posted above already, case closed --Elveonora (talk) 05:29, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

You're not getting what I'm trying to say. It's clear in canon (in chapter 122 and 2nd DB) that Minato could use it, yet the 2nd DB still listed only "Sandaime Hokage" as the user. That entry for Shiki Fuujin was for Hiruzen's Shiki Fuujin. Minato's Shiki Fuujin is not short range. It didn't require him to close in with his target as opposed to Hiruzen's. You get it now? Entries are specific to the user listed.

Madara also said Tsunade's Creation Rebirth is inferior to Hashirama's automatic healing. Does that make Creation Rebirth an automatic healing? Before Naruto finally dodge A's attack, A said his speed was inferior to Minato's. Does that mean Naruto could use Hiraishin?

Anyways, I really don't mind if you insist Sasuke has Tsukuyomi. At least, to be frank, your speculation does have some credence based only on Sasuke's genjutsu on Killer Bee. That's really the only concrete evidence. Although it still hasn't been stated that Tsukuyomi's realm will always show some sort of inverted colour. It's just that, exclusively, every known use of Tsukuyomi, at least at some point, has shown the inverted colour. But still, Sasuke's use of Tsukuyomi is still a presumption, albeit a very likely one.

My one cent.

NoJutsu (talk) 06:05, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

He has switched from basic Sharingan into Mangekyou to use the genjutsu on Killer B, it has all characteristic of Tsukuyomi and it put a strain on his eye --Elveonora (talk) 06:11, May 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * -sigh- My attempt to make you see is failing. Madara didn't say anything about Tsunade's Strength of a Hundred Technique being inferior to Hashirama's. you're referring to when he earlier said that her Medical Ninjutsu skills were nothing compared to Hashi's. all he did was say that her's was similar to Hashirama's; that's it. And your Minato statement again makes no sense, since A saying that Minato's speed was greater than his has nothing to do with Naruto beating his speed. And in regard to the Dead Demon Seal, again, even though he didn't put Minato in the users list, he specifically stated that he could use it in the text, so it seems that it was because Minato hadn't been introduced into the actual story. In regards to the range, that just seems to be something Kishi screwed up on in remembering to account for. However, Danzo specifically called out Itachi's Tsukuyomi as being greater than the illusion Sasuke had just cast. Your logic would be akin to, say, a sword fighter denouncing some guy's Karate skills after that guy failed to disarm him of his sword. That wouldn't be a relevant thing to bring up in a case like that, so neither would Danzo bringing that up. There is no speculation, especially when you look at what the Data book says. it doesn't once mention that that is only the case for Itachi and in fact says:
 * "Amaterasu[50], denoting the "light of the material world" and Tsukuyomi[51], symbolising the "darkness of the spiritual world"—— Only they who have activated the Mangekyō Sharingan —the heavenly eyes that see without obstruction the truth of all of creation— are permitted to use these two dōjutsu. Dwelling only in they who have grasped both of these technique is the power of a tempestuous god… that is Susanoo."
 * So, as far as ALL canonical sources have shown, Sasuke can and has used Tsukuyomi, so unless you've got evidence that proves otherwise, this is over really. o.o Skitts (talk) 06:22, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Silent Killing
In chapter 460, Sasuke stealthfully snuck up on a Samurai and struck him down. This is the same method Kakashi and Zabuza did this technique. Can someone please add Silent Killing to Sasuke's infobox? Steveo920, May 12, 2012, 10:21