Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-38812954-20191012021224/@comment-38812954-20191016235914

@Mario. "I dont think sage mode gives you any healing factor. Plus the reason Naruto mastered it so fast was because of kurama and the reason he can use it continuously and multiple times is because of kurama. No kurama, then Naruto takes time to learn and master it, maybe he still has a time limit to it and can't use it multiple times without clones."

so where'd hashi's healing factor stem from then? and i remember kurama hindering his sage mode training not helping him with it. and during the war when kurama mentioned using sage mode together with his chakra (to manifest kurama sage mode) naruto scolded him for it and kurama told naruto that he didn't understand why he would want to learn sage mode when he has his power available to him. and mentioning this. kurama didn't speed up naruto's training in sage mode. it took quite a while for naruto to master it. plus there wasn't even any mention of kurama's chakra having an intervention. and yk how the anime is. they do that. kurama's chakra to better say sped up the gathering of nature energy for naruto's sage mode as shown when he mixed it with kurama's chakra during the war and he thought to himself, "i'm gathering nature energy much faster in this state." plus he never had to go in that yoga meditation pose.

the reason why naruto could use sage mode multiple times was because of his clones. not because of kurama but because of naruto's inventiveness. and you're contradicting yourself here, "Plus the reason Naruto mastered it so fast was because of kurama and the reason he can use it continuously and multiple times is because of kurama. No kurama, then Naruto takes time to learn and master it, maybe he still has a time limit to it and can't use it multiple times without clones." you say first he could only use it continuously because of kurama then you say because of his clones (which is more of the truth than because of kurama). orrrrrr, you mean continously (being able to use sage mode) as in for a longer period of time? if so, then your right. if you mean continuously, as in being able to go back in the state right away after losing it then that's because of his clones.

"Without kurama, he still remains mid-high kage level, but can't take out six path characters like Rinnegan Sasuke, Sp Madara or otsusuki's."

nope he isn't cause since you mention rinne sasuke. he'd have six paths power as well. without that he's somewhat mobile rinne nagato or hashirama tier. nation buster tier. a naruto 2k or 1k massive rasengan or rasenshuriken barrage can destroy an entire village.

@Squint. "Naruto is a Perfect Sage without Kurama, and we see by Naruto Gaiden he's able to enter it quickly enough and sustain it long enough for it to be practical to use just travelling."

in the anime vs nue to.

@Star. "I know the avatar is canon that's not what I have a problem with. It's the idea that kuruma-less Naruto would have access to said avatar. Although I suppose given how similiar the Kurama Avatar is to Asura's avatar he likely has something akin to it."

lol so what would he get then? after getting hag's chakra, in this instance, with out a tailed beast like asura? i can't see it being anything else but that same avatar that asura got.