Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-43403813-20190907005521/@comment-43840650-20191005183023

its not the same madeyes, it wasnt a surprise attack, i cant believe i have to actually explain this to you. Pain started the fight, im pretty sure it wouldnt surprise you if the person you were fighting, fights back....

anyways, that isnt even what we were talking about earlier, there was the idea that itachi could pull off a surprise attack against pain + summons.

We do know where the chameleon was looking at after pain grabbed bee. Obviously not at itachi. If both the chameleon and the king of hell were looking at itachi, then the exact same thing would have happened like bee, nagato would have taken measures to counter it. examples could be that he’d thrust naruto or bee in the way of the susanoo, or he’d use shinra tensei against itachi/the kunai that itachi threw.

the chameleon fact is some science bs you pulled outta nowhere to prove your point. are you a chameleon? Do you know their eyesight firsthand to use it as a form of evidence? When the chameleon saw bee, it acted like a normal eye as its pupil moved and fixated on bee.

can itachi be killed by a chakra rod if stabbed by it? read my post again, i proved a reason. Thats how dumb your weapon argument is, i can do the same thing.

its not the amount of evidence that makes an argument viable but the quality. if the infinite tsukuyomi, a stronger and higher scale version of the regular Tsukuyomi (confirmed by the naruto wiki and manga in terms of their description) is resisted by the rinnegan, what makes you think a weaker version would? And if we’re talking about pain and not nagato, then the visual genjutsu wouldnt work anyways, how would it travel through the chakra threads to nagato?

The only reason the frog sound genjutsu jiraiya used worked on pain is because the rinnegan is an eye, which means it would only resist things associated with sight, not sound.

ngl im sick of repeating this stuff, might retire soon idk, depends if your answer is good or not