Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26704954-20160301064038/@comment-27660682-20160306084107

Rachin123 wrote: MlGshinobi wrote: Tbh, that plot hole also happpened because Danzo wasn't originally supposed to be in the story, so he was shoehorned in. Just a lot of bad writing. Because of that, we can't say for certain if hiru zen being god of the shinobi took into account hashirama's true power, especially when that statement was made in part one. Well seeing how Hashirama came before Hiruzen I don't see how it being the title being given to him in Part I makes it excusable. If anything though, Kishi originally planned for Hiruzen to be strongest then changed his mind as the story played out. Though still not exactly the strongest because of Naruto and it seems to be tie with Prime Hiruzen for him. Oh Im saying it because people considered hashriama's power too good to be true so they called it a fairy tale. So those people who said hiruzen was the strongest hokage ( kabuto, iruka) didn't know hashriama's true power. That's why kabuto retconned what he said in part 2. I brought up the argument that not even tsunade knew how strong her grandfather was which she admitted against edo madara. But it was clear hashriama knew his granddaughter, and this is where the plot holes begin. In part one, hiruzen became hokage when hashirama was still alive and he was like 13. Then in part 2 he became hokage seemingly in his late teens after hashirama already died, so at this point there was no way hiruzen had begun mentoring the sanin. The databook retconned this by saying he became hokage at 24, which was the age he began mentoring the sanin. He was in his prime then, and hashirama was long dead at that point, so there was no way the people at that time could compare prime hiruzen to hashriama. So part 2 brought 2 separate retcons on when hiruzen became hokage. But im saying by part one logic, hiruzen being the strongest hokage made sense because he became hokage at like age 13 before tobirama and hashirama died. So by the time hiruzen was an adult people were likely still able to compare his powers to hashriama who was still alive by part one logic. So that's why I say it holds water by part one logic because hashirama and tobirama didnt have established power levels yet. It was in part 2 that Kishimoto really planned out tobirama ansd hashirama backstory, and in doing so he contradicted the timing he established in part one. And really he couldn't even keep the retcon consistent, we dont get the proper timeline until orochimaru revives the 4 hokages.