Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-25096344-20160709050959/@comment-27823212-20160709200041

Naruto surpassed the Hokage, so he is above any of them individually by portrayal. Sasuke is not since his full power is exactly the same as Madara's and he can't match Naruto without an external source.

Sasuke couldn't do anything to Shin in cqc while needing Amenotejikara to escape. Even then, Shin reacted to Sasuke's swap by throwing his clone in the way. Both Naruto & Sasuke get clowned by the Hokage in cqc.

Hashirama's god gates held down Ten Tails whom is >>>>>Naruto & Sasuke's Kurama mode & Perfect Susano in everything. Kurama along with any clones in Kurama mode are pinned down with no effort whatsoever.

Naruto's Bijudama don't have the destructive power to destroy Shinsuusenju based on the size of the explosion it tanked during VOTE. Minato & Tobirama can teleport any projectiles away with Hiraishin. Perfect Susano'o is effortlessly destroyed by Chojo Kebetsu just like it was at VOTE.

Neither Naruto and Sasuke's constructs are comparable to one that can form an entire valley in one move with pure physical strength, regardless of what fanboys say.

Naruto & Sasuke's only chance of winning here is going into Asura mode and using Gedo Susano'o.

They finally possess more firepower than Shinsuusenju using these powers, but that firepower is in the form of Indra's arrow and Dual Rasenshuriken.

Minato & Tobirama warp away their firepower, just like they were about to do to 3/4 of the much more powerful Ten Tails' Bijudama produced by Obito's tree.

Being unable to rely on the 2 techniques that put their firepower above Shinsuusenju's, they can only use their physical strength and lower scale techniques.

The best physical strength feat that Gedo Susano'o possesses is causing a small mountain sized crater after knocking a Kurama mode clone into the ground. Asura Kurama possesses no strength feats at all. Attacks like the lightning arrows that were matched by standard Bijudama produced laughable destruction. They are a nonfactor.

Shinsuusenju casually overpowers them in a contest of physical strength like an elephant stomping on 2 ants. Shinsuusenju uses Chojo Kebetsu and creates another valley. This is only featwise though.

Asura Kurama & Gedo Susano'o should have something capable of destroying Shinsuusenju eventually that isn't something that can easily be negated by Hiraishin. That only seems fair portrayal wise.