Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-26388300-20160524034125/@comment-27924662-20160527191530

BakumatsuWarrior wrote: @Namekazenaruto9: 1) TBB and Susanoo are different because the Susanoo is connected to the user. Teleport the Susanoo away and you might teleport Madara away with it. Besides, no such feat has been shown in the manga, nor even remotely suggested. Tobirama could have used that trick against Madara if the FTG was so effective at teleporting the Susanoo away. He would have cut off EMS Madara's main weapon with one touch of his hand and secured his victory. But he's never been known to do that. Hence, the default assumption should be that the Susanoo can't be teleported like that so easily. If the manga shows feats like that, then I'll accept your claim. Otherwise, NO. Minato isn't teleporting the Susanoo away just like that. To be honest Tobirama's use of FTG is lesser than minato since he is the inventor and has other several jutsu for use so I doubt if he could do that. But with minato its different since FTG is his main weapon.Besides I talking abt teleporting the chunks not the whole Susanoo.[or he could throw a kunai in space and then teleport madara there ;-)) Besides you ignored my argument of PS(enhanced with Susanoo)being destroyed by Kurama. BakumatsuWarrior wrote: @Namekazenaruto9: 2) Madara has high endurance due to the simple fact that: a) he fought someone as OP as Hashirama and pushed him to his limits all throughout his life. b) he was able to kill adult Senjus in the battlefield as a child, before he awakened his sharingan. No little brat is going around killing adult Senjus without having good endurance. For your info minato was never born in warring state era so this point of yours is moot.Besides Minato came from 2nd grade clan and has managed to become one of the greatest even completely overshadowing Fugaku(or any uchiha at that point) and he has the highest chunin exam scores a feat even the uchiha genius itachi couldn't match. BakumatsuWarrior wrote: @Namekazenaruto9: 3) Kurama Mode Minato with Sage Mode will never equal Sage Mode Hashirama because: a) Minato only has half of Kurama, while Hashirama's chakra in base form is said to be equal to that of full Kurama, if not greater. So obviously Hashi wins. b) SM Hashi was able to subdue the Juubi with his Gracious Diety Gates. Kurama Mode Minato hasn't shown any feats that come even remotely close to that. c) SM Minato has no offensive jutsus like SM Hashi's Thousand Armed Buddha. EMS Madara isn't going to be defeated by someone with far less raw power and feats than SM Hashirama. let's see here.... 1)when hashirama made this comparison he was in SM.Besides his SM can run out(as I said earlier it lasts for hours not minutes) whereas minato will remain in SM virtually for forever. 2)that's because he couldn't use Dead consuming seal.Besides I thought being Senju /uzumaki makes you really good at funinijutsu in general so I am not surprised by feat unlike you. 3)TBB in SM should eventually destroy PS(that is in few hits).Besides Kurama can destroy it with its tails. BakumatsuWarrior wrote: @Namekazenaruto9: Also, if Minato was capable of using SM in conjunction with Kurama Mode, why didn't he use it in the 4th War? He had the perfect opportunity to do so. But he didn't. for that I have only one counter.He didn't even assist Guy when he was even ready to die. It's simple Minato avoids using SM but that doesn't mean he cannot use it in conjunction with nine tails. BakumatsuWarrior wrote: @Namekazenaruto9: 4) Where has it been stated that Juubito was a sensor? I haven't found any reference of that sort. Please provide reference. if TT is synonymous to nature energy won't he be able to sense nature energy....Besides check the wiki. BakumatsuWarrior wrote: @Namekazenaruto9: 5) Of course, Minato will also adapt to Madara's moves. It's just that Madara is also extremely smart, not to forget more powerful. Madara has immense knowledge and a variety of jutsus in his arsenal. Minato's only offensive tactic is FTG blitz with Rasengan. What's he going to do with that tactic? Rasengan the Susanoo from behind? And yes, I've already explained several times why Minato isn't taking Madara by surprise. His only option is jump around here and there, firing TBBs and avoiding Madara's PS Sword. '''And I claimed otherwise....I believe you are only talking abt FTG slash or simple FTG + Rasengan combos.What I have said is use of FTG derived technique like Flying Thunder God Mutually Instantaneous Revolving Technique(i.e in conjuction with shadow clones) etc clearly use of FTG by itself is a tactical attack. And that by itself can dwarf madara's sensor abilities(since it's teleportation technique meaning he is not gonna catch on until he actually reaches there and despite madara having really good reflexes minato's reflexes are the best) besides I also said minato being a master sensor(especially in SM+TBM) would render any such tactic useless.''' XShadyShadow wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 Hashirama has a 1,000 hand statue in SM for god sakes. It's the biggest summoning/most impressive thing we've seen aside from any god tiers or Juubi jin's. Jiraiya and Minato simply have nothing that even compares to that, his haxed healing, high durability and insane stamina or wood style variants. Hashirama is just much better in SM than Jiraiya, Naruto (Pre-SO6P) and Minato (If he in theory mastered it.) I'm tired of you trying to put them as equal levels, THEY AREN'T ANYWHERE NEAR CLOSE IN POWER OR SKILL TO HASHIRAMA. Dude i never claimed Hashirama's SM better or worse than jiraiya's or Minato.I am only talking about the duration or just senjutsu(without senjutsu- ninjutsu).Minato does has a healing comparable to hashirama since he has kyubi.Pls read my reply properly and don't state obvious. XShadyShadow wrote: Minato isn't simply FTG'ing Susano'o away and even if he did Madara would just re-spawn it again. Minato would waste chakra and strain himself trying to constantly move it (If he even could in the first place.) Madara has more chakra than Minato, he'll tire out much faster. It doesn't matter what you say about Juubito, we're talking about Madara. Madara reacted to Tobirama's FTG while being blindsided twice, Madara's reflexes is much quicker than Obito's. Being able to predict something doesn't mean you'll dodge it (Obito being hit), but Madara has the reflexes to dodge and can sense it coming. Minato catching him by surprise is unlikely. Yeah and by the time he finishes respawning (first he disintegrates and than he reforms)he would be dead or seriously injured.(FTG slash with rasengan).And defintely tagged in either scenario(so after that even inside PS madara won't be safe since minato can magically appear just beside himand kill him) how come madara has more chakra than Minato especially when Minato has kyubi and SM?you are joking right?clearly madara is the one who will tire out in maintaing the PS.[he will definetly lose a stamina battle to minato here]. Scuse me Madara was in SM and had rinnegan clearly he was OP at that time.Besides that was tobirama's simple FTG slash i am talking more like FTG Mutually Instantaneous Revolving Technique etc. clearly use of FTG is more tactial since you have to adapt from situation. Talking abt jubito is relevant here since it's a feat in favour of minato and jubito was better than EMS madara.EMS Madara's reflexes being better than jubito is really good joke on your part by the way. XShadyShadow wrote: You keep saying Minato will make up tricks/strategies. You do realize Madara is smarter and witter than Minato is right? Madara would catch on to the tactics of Minato much quicker than Minato would catch onto him. Madara is more adept than he is. Minato isn't likely to tag Madara at all, you know what screw it. Madara goes PS and it's GG for Minato. All he could do is run away, so it wouldn't matter if Madara couldn't hit him because all Minato would be capable of doing is running away or teleporting away. He has no destructive feats to compete with PS. Kurama isn't enough to heal you from the effects of getting hit from a PS sword. Especially not a 50% Kurama. you are saying madara is much smarter where as their is no proof for either way.i am glad that you atleast agree that madara is a goner if he gets tagged.Seems like you didn't see 4th great ninjaa war where 50% kurama crushed PS(enhanced with senjutsu).And noone is going to get hit by a giant slow sword.please get your facts straightened. XShadyShadow wrote: Kurama isn't destroying PS, a TBB for god sakes it didn't even put a dent in it (100% Kurama.). And I'm certain Madara would be tons better at wielding PS than Minato would be at wielding a 50% Kurama. Madara can also read shadow clones, so well in fact he can tell the difference between a wood style clone and the actual user. No shadow clone tricks would work. Kurama destroyed it with a simple  TAIL WHIP .that's what you are saying but already from start of (4th great ninja war)Minato was perfect jinchuriki so minato will be equally adept at controlling TBM. XShadyShadow wrote: Me and @BakumatsuWarrior have already gave you a ton of ways how Madara beats Minato and why but you simply won't accept it. Just stop man, I'm beginning to think you're trolling or you're wanking. No one in their right mind would believe Minato would be close in power to Hashirama or beat Madara. I already told you Hashirama and Madara were in completely different tiers than anyone else, FTG (Something Tobirama has.) A 50% Kurama (Madara wielded 100% with ease.) and mastering SM (One that is clearly inferior to Hashirama's.) Isn't nearly enough to close that gap. I already told you Madara is better at everything than Minato except for speed but Madara can outreact him. What on earth is he gonna do to win? "RASENGAN." Lol, like that'll be enough. That would even scratch his PS. But i did show you guys that none of those methods were viable.(since none of them will hit him)Nor i said minato is close in power to hashirama(right now i can't say abt EMS madara).My point is simple with high speed, reflex and stamina(in this case minato) one can eventually wear down a powerful oponent(EMS madara). And again i m telling you SM qualities are same regardless of user (hashirama is lot better in ninjutsu )Besides if i had been trolling all this time why would i bother backing my claims up with feats.................RASENGAN could be enough if right number of them hits PS{afterall however sturdy PS may be eventually it would reach its break point)