Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-27660682-20160305032312/@comment-28300126-20160425074043

@Rachin My apologies, by random jonin I was referring to Zabuza. Obviously Asuma isn't a random jonin.

No the battle would not have gone differently, or would have been harder for Hidan. It was already hard enough for Hidan in what was essentially a 2v1. Also, Hidan aimed a Shikamaru specifically because of his constant shadow spamming. Had the two just gone head to head without outside interference, the fight would've been over even quicker.

Kakashi couldn't see Zabuza's chakra either. I'm pretty sure that, as a jutsu, the mist is saturated in chakra. Thus rendering any chakra sensing, by doujutsu, a moot point. Kakashi isn't a sensor type either by the way.

You people keep referring to Silent Killing like it's the Sage's gift to shinobi. I'll admit that it's great against those much weaker than Zabuza, but not someone on the level of Hidan, or people of jonin rank or above with any sort of wary eye.

Hidan has good speed too, perhaps not the highest since he admits he is the slowest attacker in the Akatsuki, but not slow enough that Zabuza would decimate him utterly. Considering his sword is larger than Hidan's, I'd say his attacks are probably slower. The speed stat is about foot speed. He kept up with post time-skip Kakashi, and if you think Kakashi didn't get stronger or faster in that time then you are a fool.

Washing Hidan away wouldn't do all that much, he'd just get back up. Water prison wouldn't do much too, I doubt Hidan needs to breathe if he can survive having his head cut off for any extended amount of time(since his body wouldn't be breathing anyway). And as soon as Zabuza releases the prison Hidan would be on him as well, a poor choice on his part.

Let's also not forget Zabuza can also be overconfident, I mean after his first failed swipe on Team 7 he posed on his sword hilt while it was stuck on the tree. Who's to say he would not just let Hidan draw his symbol, thinking it's unimportant.

Zabuza is also mostly a melee fighter, hence being a swordsman. He might know a few tricks, but it comes down to swordplay in the end. Both are, at heart, melee fighters.

@AsianReaper I don't know what anime you were watching, but Kakashi doesn't make the hand seal in front of Hidan. He switched after being blasted by Kakuzu's heart monsters and hid somewhere using the smoke as cover. Heck, in the manga that didn't even happen.

Hidan isn't a fan of hurting himself, he's a fan of hurting himself to feel the anguish of his enemy. Like living through the death of someone who just had their heart pierced?

Kakashi, in the manga, didn't hold out for that long. Hidan was the distraction while Kakuzu used high level jutsu to damage him and wear him down. What you see in the anime was battle fluff to draw things out.

Zabuza was anbu-ranked. Meaning he was a jonin accepted into the anbu, the only known s-ranked ninja in the series are the members of the akatsuki. Every other jonin is assumed a-rank at most unless otherwise specified.

Hidan lost to shikamaru thanks to his incredible planning, if he was not as smart as he was and didn't plan ahead that far ahead... then he'd be dead. Hidan wanted to use his ritual specifically to end him, and when he was bound by the shadows and explosive seals he wasn't able to do anything anyway.

Now, I'm certain Hidan and Zabuza would have a tough fight, no arguing that, but Hidan would win by pure attrition eventually if he wasn't able to draw blood and complete the ritual.

Hidan wins.