Talk:Sage Art: Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken

Shukkaku's Contribution
Is there any proof that Shukkaku's Rasenshuriken is actually using Magnet Release? LegionZero (talk) 19:26, June 15, 2020 (UTC)
 * It has the same markings that were present in the MG Rasengan Naruto used to seal one of Madara's shadows. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:30, June 15, 2020 (UTC)
 * Shukkaku uses those markings for non-Magnet release purposes as well. It was alsonsurrounded by sand unlikenthe MR Rasengan. Is it wise to use a "looks the same, therefore is the same" mentality? If that is the case then most of the clone pages need to be re-evaluated LegionZero (talk) 01:00, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
 * And the only instance of Naruto using it before involved MR. There's also the fact that every other tailed beast with a known applicable trait to it had that be present when Naruto used their chakra in this. Saying Shukaku's wasn't involved when so many other's were for whatever reason is wildly more speculative. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:59, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
 * Im not saying Shukkaku's chakra wasnt used. Im questioning the factual basis behind the claim that it is Magnet Release. It isnt shown/stated to be MR and it hasnt thown the effects of MR. Wouldnt it be more accurate to just say that it has sand? LegionZero (talk) 02:06, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, the utilized substances are never stated in any media, so it ultimately comes down to what does it look like. I think the article should make that fact more apparent: " " ~SnapperTo 05:22, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
 * Sand is actually not present at all in the MR Rasengan. Omnibender: It is more speculative to assume that it does than it doesn't. It could just be sand and that is the only observable contribution that can be seen. Not to mention that Magnet Relase on its own doesn't do damage, and Kaguya was not Magnetized. She also didn't have any Shukkaku curse marks on her present. It can't be accurately stated that it was Magnet Release when it doesnt have any of the effects of Magnet Release or MR Rasengan. For all we know, Shukkaku's chakra just manifests with those patterns. It shows a rather reckless disregard for the truth to assert/report that it is Magnet Release simply because it looks like another Magnet Release Jutsu. A jutsu mind you, that shares visual traits with non-Magnet Release Jutsu. LegionZero (talk) 09:16, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it's based on "Wind Relese: Rasengan => Wind Release: Rasenshuriken" = "Magnet Release: Rasengan => Magnet Release: Rasenshuriken".
 * Besides, if the Juin isn't the MR in the MRR, then what else would be the MR? • Seelentau 愛 議 12:26, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
 * I dont know, but thats why i bring it up. It's so vague/inconsistant that it is presumptuous for the wiki to claim with certainty that it is in fact Magnet Release simply because it resembles another jutsu. LegionZero (talk) 19:19, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, it's more than just "another jutsu", it's a direct evolution. The only difference is the additional sand. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:41, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
 * And how do you know that it is a direct evolution? There is no name/description/effects that tells us it has any of the properties of Magnet Release or similar functions to MR Rasengan. Why doesn't the wiki apply this standard to Saiken's contribution. Boil Release and Lava Release both create acidic substances but the wiki doesn't attribute him either of those KKG even though all his abilities look and function similarly to. There are too many variables when it comes to Shukkaku's abilities to accurately claim the properties of that Rasenshuriken.

LegionZero (talk) 20:01, June 16, 2020 (UTC)