Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36006024-20180926134241/@comment-31099706-20181006130816

LegionZero wrote: You think Sasuke at that point in time was capable of landing a hit on Madara if Madara actually tried? This same Madara while weakened by Edo Tensei was countering KCM2 Naruto. Now the Madara who was countering KCM2 Naruto gets his living body back, becomes stronger, no-diffs Hashirama, and then multiplies his power with Sage Mode. He let Sasuke stab him so he could try to recruit him. Madara showed no worry or surprise. In chapter 659 Madara admits that he was holding back and didnt care about getting hit by non-lethal attacks. I don't think Naruto runs at his top speed every single step. So far it's in a flash. Itachi, Obito, and many other characters have shown to run along and go up against Naruto without any issues, it's probably because he doesn't he uses his top speed in a flash like that body transfer or something.

Anyways, the point is MS Sasuke was able to dodge Bee's straight attack in mid air, which he commented that Only A(the second fastest person) could. He then dodged an head on attack against A and landed a hit on his chest. So, with the improved eyes, the boosted powers, and the fluent moves of the EMS and the fact that Madara doesn't have the EMS, the eye he used against KCM2 Naruto, and the great help it grants him with the fluent movements and predicting skills, it's not that surprising for me to see it.

I dont see how its a possibility when Hashiramas powers have been explicitly explained and there is no supporting evidence Just saying it could be, since there's no explaination on his Senjetsu. Note that Ten Tails Jinchuriki automatically absorb Senjutsu, and the only difference between a ten tails jinchuriki and Hashirama are the Eyes.

Total speculation about Wood Release. The Obito, Madara, and the Juubi itself have Wood release and have no problem dealing with Bijuu or their chakra They had Hashi cells, and sealed them with a special jutsu after all, and the Gezo Statue that becomes part of their body, helps them to handle the Chakra, from what I know.

Hashirama was killed in battle, he's not this undefeatable god. Was he?

That last bit is flat out false. Itachi's MS contributes and adds additional power. Sasuke said so himself. I never stated that it doesn't conrtibute, but Sasuke's chakra contribution is the main point of his EMS.

Although i dont remember Itachi having a power or stat boost from a sword. I meant the TB, it does grant him an unbelieveble hax jutsu to seal anyone.

Sage mode requires actual training and cannot be granted by simply having an item or borrowing it from someone else. The Snake Sage, and it doesn't seem to be that much, considering all it matters is a large amount of chakra and will power. Everything after that is just being fortunate enough for the Toads to bring them over to teach them

That is Gaara's ability post-Shukkaku extraction. I meant Gaara's ability needing sand to be near by, he carries sand afterall, and his chakra is influenced by Shukaku's chakra.

Last i checked Minato's kunai dont give him a stat or power boost. Whatever he does with them is his skill, his technique, his chakra. The same way, I'm stating that Sasuke's EMS doesn't give him a power boost. Not in the way you imagine it to be.

It's simple, Sasuke's EMS increases/boosts his chakra and power permanently. It isn't a temperary boost like a chakra mode. But a permanent boost to his body. It's a sort of transformation than a mode, like you imply it to be, the use of EMS after that is just for Susanoo.

Deidara makes that clay. And enhances it with his KKG. The clay doesnt give him a power/statboost or give him additional powers. The Clay is an external source from his KG, it doesn't grant him an power boost, but he needs the clay which he seems to carry, to use his jutsus. While Minato uses his Kunai for most of his FTG tricks, the Kunai's aren't exactly summoned or made by him with jutsus.

And what weapon does Hashirama have that gives him power/stat boosts and abilities he otherwise doesnt have? He doesn't. But he does have a Wood Release jutsu that allows him to absorb chakra from, the Wood Dragon or something.

The 5 Kage could barely touch Edo Madara, who was weaker than Hashirama. Hashirama was able to match Madara blow for blow in almost every catagory. Onoki cant land a hit. Hasjirama can use a Wood Clone+substitution to escape Amaterasu. Itachi is the only one who stands a chance. Maybe. The Five Kage managed to catch him in a tight spot even with his 25 foot Susanoo and Rinnegen and Wood Release. They might have had better chances with him if he didn't have unlimited stamina, immortality, and the Rinnegen, which Hashi doesn't have.

No, he can still be killed by these characters.

If he said he feels his eyes changing he would have said that. But it was explicitly stated he felt Itachi's eyes making him stronger. No, he didn't explicitly state that. He said he feels Itachi's chakra and then further on states that he already feel himself getting stronger.

Just saying, Sasuke would have died without Karin's help. At beast that was a tie, thats still impressive as hell though.

I didn't see any scene in the fight that Karin actually helped Sasuke survive or even anything to help.