Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20160221124823/@comment-27924662-20160314151859

ShishiHeiwa wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 "shadow clones aren't affected by genjutsu," This is wrong, never was this stated or referenced on the wiki, please provide the Manga chapter to your claim. " well to be honest i haven't read much of manga but in the anime it was shown that kakashi was able to bypass Tsukoyomi(in naruto shippuden episode 15 or chapter 260 in manga according to wiki) clearly when itachi uses tsukoyomi it doesn't affect the clone. ShishiHeiwa wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 "Also since jiraiya has water ,wind and fire transformation perhaps he can create mist which can reduce the chance of use of genjutsu" wrong, Jiraiya has no mist technique listed therefore cannot use it. Point noted i take back what i said BUT he can create huge amount of steam by using a combo ninjutsu with his summons which is why i listed all the chakra nature transformation which would create mist like condition (i never meant him using mist technique)which would make sharingan's various abilities  obsolete. (since similar thing happened when kakashi was fighting zabuza for the first time) here you might argue that jiraiya can't see but in this case even temprorary SM is good enough since jiraiya will be able to sense him but itachi can't. ShishiHeiwa wrote: if that's the case we can give Itachi techniques as well that he isn't stated to have. this is not some new technique just pure intelligence and let me assure you that itachi won't win just by using only using ametarasu or tsukoyomi as many have argued before.this is because Jiraiya has already seen firsthand use of both techniques(tsukoyomi was used on Kakashi And sasuke[right infront of his eyes]) so we can say jiraiya will be mentally prepared for both.And perhaps even susanoo might not surprise him, because as wiki has rightly stated His specialty is intelligence gathering, having a spy network that runs throughout the Five Great Shinobi Countries that he can use to gain information about a particular person or group to be used to his or his allies' advantage.  ShishiHeiwa wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 "comes prepared with fire prom seal scroll" Nope, not happening, unless there is prep time and he knew he was going to fight Itachi, he would not bring one. Jiraiya made that scroll right there and then. He did not just carry it with him. are you saying jiraiya would not have found any counter measure against amaterasu? i only suggested based on anime perhaps least he could do was roam around with prewritten single copy of seal with him  and infact we were never even shown how much quantity of amaterasu can the seal hold perhaps he can even use original itself(the one he used that day). ShishiHeiwa wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 "he can use Hair Needle Senbon same one he used against orochimmaru and deflect all needles with amarterasu back on itachi!" Actually no, Amaterasu can burn away fire, needles won't be a problem for it. the jutsu is a barrier type since itachi will close his eye before Amaterasu (giving jiraiya some hint about that technique is going to be used )jiraiya can use quite large one and when it does hit repel all the needle with amaterasu(that is first barrier gets hit by amaterasu and immediately jiraiya can send the ametarasu burning needles back on itachi this is what i meant, i hope this clarifies my point). ShishiHeiwa wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 "jiraiya can even use his pervert technique such as transparent escape technique to avoid both of above technique" Because the transparent technique is not stated to hide the users Chakra Flow, Itachi can still see him since the Sharingan can see the Chakra flow therefore this point is also mute. well the technique was said to be flawless so i thought it may work but since no mention is given about how it works i concede this one! ShishiHeiwa wrote: @Namikazenaruto9

"he can't keep it up for very long time so during sage mode jiraiya can keep attacking and dodging his attacks or use that frog genjutsu to get him and soon that ultimat attack-defense combo will be defeated.Perhaps he can even use that dark swamp on a large area to take itachi down or UBBR though i am not sure of latter." This is by far the most accurate you been, the problem with this one is Jiraiya has to go into sage mode first, something Itachi isn't just gonna wait for. thank you for accepting though i would mention that itachi knows nothing about sage mode so he will be at total disadvantage.also again low stamina comes up here and all risks releated to abilties of MS on the body because of this he can't push himself very far. ShishiHeiwa wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 "i have almost gathered all flaws in itachi's technique" No you haven't, I found flaws in all your statements. Really? hahahaaa! ShishiHeiwa wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 "as i have said that itachi can win in short amount of time but all of you forgot that whenever 2 great shinobi fight it will never be an easy win.it would always be a long drawn out battle." Actually, Itachi tends to end all battles quickly with the exception of Sasuke. Orochimaru for example who also is supposed to be of Jiraiyas caliber and yet was ended immediately as soon as he confronted Itachi, TWICE. If Itachi can do that, Jiraiya has no chance without prep time. well itachi does ends battle quickly because of genjutsu tactics which i already showed may not work. in case of orochimaaru he was overconfident on both occasions,on first one he attacked head on without knowing anything about his MS abiltites and in second instance he was confident too about his "immortality" and made the same mistake(he didn't know about hte totska blade).And also if itachi can beat orochimarru it doesn't neccessarily mean he would beat jiraiya(for instance you can take rock -paper-sissor game also it depends on combat styles too, for instance orochimaaru and itachi take their opponents head on where as jiraiya waits from distance works a way to defeat an opponent and than attacks and other such factors can determine fate of the battle).

PS:SINCE YOU ARE SO OBSESSED WITH ITACHI PERHAPS SAGE JIRAIYA WILL CONVERT HIM INTO A TOAD FOR REST OF HIS LIFE AS HE DID TO ONE GUY IN THE ANIME WHEN HE WAS EXTRACTING INTEL ON PAIN.THAN WE WILL SEE HOW toad itachi FIGHTS.