Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36019309-20190114073523/@comment-35409024-20190126225134

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: I mentioned that he couldn't break basic genjutsu twice in the series, then i brought in tsukuyomi as a little comparison of power. Let me turn the table a little..where is your proof that Bee improved in genjutsu? you don't have one i know that much, so guess what, naturally we would work with the what we have presently and not hypothesis to your extent. We will work with the current bee's stats that is provided to us, he can't break genjutsu on his own and that's that. Even if he did create a genjutsu counter measure in the future for gods know why...i mean i have a tailed for that can literally break me out of them, what makes you think that it'll help him to get out of tsukuyomi? he hasn't even seen how to works to devise against it's mechanics. I sense something off here. The fact you already gave that argument saying Bee wouldn't create a Genjutsu counter cause of Gyuki, shows we have been talking about Genjutsu in this subject. And no it don't work like that. To think someone is exactly the same as they were after over 10 years pass is not only idiotic but blind. That's the equivalent of saying Future Boruto is exactly the same as current Boruto. Pure shit. Elaborate more, i don't quite get what you're getting at. By saying Anyone introduced or improved after that chapter is fair game are you referring to non uchiha's? if so then you're obviously contradicting the most spammed statement on this thread no matter if it stated that only skilled uchiha's can bypass it, and also you're contradicting a manga statement made by the character.....well providing if that's what you're saying. Again you would have to argue with that with War. When the argument arised between me and War about only Uchiha's being able to break free from Genjutsu, he countered me and said concurrently was used and can mean "at this time". I agreed and continue onwards with that logic. No i have not contradicted anything. Cause I have said numerous times that Elite Uchihas can break it, and after me and War's debate I never said only they could do it. The fact that you keep trying to get me to say Bee can't break Tsukuyomi for god knows what reason, proves that. So what are you on about? Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh? Bruh do you argue to argue or something? 23 hours ago you literally said i been only saying (only) Uchihas can break Tsukuyomi. Which was clearly a lie because just four days ago you quoted me saying Nice try. You got caught in a lie. I obviously never said only Uchiha could break it once me and War established that possibility in our debate. So quit feigning ignorance. The point of this post is to prove that tsukuyomi can't be broken when used at it's fullest..so far it's usage against Izumi is the best definition of fullest as Itachi intended to kill at that time, on other cases it was no so, as Kakashi even proved it, and well he would'nt want to kill neither versions of Sasuke who were trapped in it. So which Uchiha, or which human in the narutoverse has a nerve transmission speed that rivals 1 nano second? even the speed of light when covering distance seems slow in that realm of time. Surely for Itachi to use Genjutsu reverse on Kurenai he must need chakra to execute the command, similarly for Uchiha's to break tsukuyomi they must have consciousness at full in order to release chakra to break the genjutsu..which is impossible in this case. With that aside it's even worst for non sharingan users, say Sakura for example, or better yet let's use Killer Bee :) . For a non sharingan user to break genjutsu they have to weave a hand seal....and well i don't think i need to say more here. They are done for 100% guaranteed. Except your thesis has a major flaw. Kishimoto and Itachi's word. They said an Elite Uchiha can break it. They didn't say without time dilation. They said Tsukuyomi. What is Tsukuyomi? A Genjutsu that Itachi controls which he can manipulate even the perception of time. That means an elite uchiha can break what is Tsukuyomi, including it's time dilation, since time dilation is a component that makes Tsukuyomi, Tsukuyomi. I don't understand what's so hard to grasp about that. I'm just gonna ignore all statements made by you which proves that you're full of yourself. Seems like you're the one who needs reading lessons, because it was I who made the statement about the coloured manga and not @BrainBrand, canyways nvm that now. Go ahead and ignore them. It doesn't change the fact you sat there acting like I left Kakashi's statement out to just do it when it was you who left Asuma's true statement out. Thanks for pointing that out. Now you just proved you did something hypocritical. You tried horribly to come at me in a negative fashion, trying to say i left Kakashi's statement out for personal gain, but in the end i was only showing the rest of the people what you left out. You had already said what Kakashi said. I never denied it. No one denied it. So there was no reason to post something irrelevent that everyone already knew. What they didn't know was Asuma's true statement which you left out. Except your definition of instant is 0.00000 seconds, which is not even possible to comprehend, time loses it logic there😂...instant can surely refer to without delay or immediately...a nano seconds laughs at those two terms. Except that's not the word we are debating about. I'm starting to see a pattern on how you don't even know what the debate is about. We were originally talking about Kakashi stating instantly to describe the illusion of Tsukuyomi or to describe the casting of Tsukuyomi. I'm pretty sure it was you, who said it was about the illusion transpiring instantly. I said it was about the casting itself. Instantly happens immediately which means at once without any intervening time or space. That means at 0 seconds. You have not proved it happens at 0 seconds, you actually have been proving yourself wrong. Ninja of War wrote: @James replied to me, stating that sometimes the author speaks through certain characters. Well, that certainly is true, however simply being a character statement doesn't automatically equal an author statement as well. @James added that the databook had an entry on Tsukuyomi. So, if we only took the manga, all we have is a character statement from Itachi. Well to be more precise. You asked what gives Itachi the authority to limit the abilities of other shinobi? Which I replied with Kishimoto who stated the same thing which is a reference to the 2nd Databook entry of him saying the same thing as Itachi about only Uchiha with Sharingan being able to break it with the added element of them also being elites. Then you countered with the word concurrently and i conceded to your point, and accepted my mistake.