Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-29769110-20170327210757/@comment-9782468-20170421151938

XShadyShadow wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 Itachi himself said that those are the three abilities you will typically get when you unlock the MS (Amateratsu, Tsukuyomi, and Susano'o.) when he was speaking with Sasuke. Madara's PS ability was shown at the VOTE, right when Hashirama re-directed the Kyuubi's TBB. What're you talking about? Please don't tell me you're referring to the video game.

But that's the thing, you didn't make a point. The point I made was that Orochimaru didn't decipher it, Madara did and Orochimaru didn't. Kabuto further advancing in what it says doesn't mean Orochimaru did, Kabuto wasn't even able to decipher the whole thing if I'm not mistaken. Don't make it more complicated than it is. The overall point is that Madara is vastly superior in terms of knowledge in comparison to Orochimaru and Kabuto despite you saying that they made it their goal to learn everything.

No, you don't need chakra enhancements in order to activate PS. Sure, chakra enhancements can give it to you in some cases (DMS Kakashi and Rinnegan Sasuke.) But in Madara's case (In which is what matters since he's in the debate.) he didn't get any chakra boost, he just recieved EMS and got PS, after he matured his regular Susano'o I assume. Yes, Madara had PS while he was alive. No offense but do you pay attention at all? Madara acquired the Kyuubi to fight Hashirama again alongside his PS and the intention wasn't to actually win (Although if he did I'm sure that'd be a gain.) But it was to attain Hashirama's DNA to attain the Rinnegan.

I'm sorry but I really don't wanna see this "EMS Madara doesn't have PS." argument anymore. You're honestly just wasting everyone's time with that. It's set and stone that he had PS while being alive, Oonoki questioned why Madara didn't use it when they fought before and Madara explained that an adult wouldn't fight a child seriously. That's like arguing "Hashirama didn't have wood style." You're trying to argue something that's already been long established and something the series made very clear. Madara had Perfect Susano'o while Hashirama was alive, it was a fact. You can't debate facts. The statement could've just meant everyone died but Hashirama which I assume would hold merit.

@AsianReaper The series started with their only being like 3 Uchiha we knew of, and we only learned of a handful overall. I highly doubt Itachi is the first and last Uchiha to ever have Tsukuyomi especially during the war era (Madara's time.) Point being is that I'm certain Madara has knowledge about it and Itachi isn't the only Uchiha to ever have it. That databook sounds faulty, is there any way you could show the link? But there's no way you could actually believe Obito and EMS Madara are on the same level, feats and scaling show otherwise entirely. That was retconned, and Itachi is still literally the only user ever in the series. What the actual information is is that you need the power of both Mangekyo eyes to possibly unlock Susanoo.

This paragraph isn't responding to me so I won't respond to it.

You need to stop spewing your opinions everywhere and expecting everyone tot ake it as fact. I even agree that it's probable Madara had PS with EMS. But you know what? He never once showed it while he was alive. So it still is actually arguable that Madara could only bring his Susanoo to that point with enhancements. Also, it's not at all like claiming Hashi didn't have Wood Release. You know why? Because he was shown using it while he was alive, lol.

The fact that you "don't wanna see" this EMS Madara without PS argument anymore doesn't exactly matter. Other users can give their opinion all they want, so long as it's still being used for debate and not for saying "I'm definitely right and you're definitely wrong." There are some legit facts in this series, but Madara having PS during life is debatable since he never showed it.

Yes, not many Uchiha were present at first. But if you remember, Madara and Izuna were the first in a very long time to unlock the Mangekyo. And it was considered extremely rare to unlock at all. And the databook I'm talking about sounds faulty? I'm sorry? I didn't write it lol. But I can't link it since any english scanlation is illegal and forum policy is you can't link that sort of thing. You can find translations all over the internet though