Board Thread:Episode Discussions/@comment-25319479-20160428105912/@comment-734582-20160430150121

ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote: And after Naruto dies what? His way is temporary. Then Ninja will teach their children that revenge for revenge's sake is pointless, and that if someone tries to do harm, one should try to understand why they inflict harm.

The reason that history has been so cyclic up till now is that one, people who were able to change the world died because it's so rotten (e.g. Shisui), or could not resist the rot long enough to change it(e.g. Obito). Orochimaru acknowledges this in front of Tsunade. People either die the way they are or live long enough to change.

If Naruto's peace lasts long enough, people can live long enough to teach their wisdom and learn from their mistakes. Naruto's not the only one that attempted to create peace, the Manga at least makes it clear that many tried. Even Danzo (Mr "nuke them from orbit") tried to unify the villages into an alliance. Shisui tried to achieve peace, Itachi tried it, Hashirama tried it, etc etc etc. But they either died before achieving it or they could not resist the evil in the world long enough to change it. ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote: Even he doesn't give up. What will happen if someone else in the future like Evil Village Kage appear? Then hopefully people will band together to prevent this from happening.

ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote: And the way Shinobi understood so easily each other is a bit unbelievable. Peace can be achieved when people understand each other yes but it's not that simple. Except that in Naruto it makes all the sense in the world. As Hagoromo explained, he made people capable of connecting on a spiritual level. It's just that rather than doing this, people connected with themselves and created Ninjutsu.

Furthermore, it's not about understanding each other. It's about trying to understand each other. If i stab you and all you do is stab me back, without ever wondering why i stabbed you, we'll get nowhere. and a thousand years down the line our kids will be stabbing each other never knowing why it started. They just believe that if they stop first, the other wins. The Narutoverse was so busy stabbing the other guy that they never considered that maybe, just maybe, they've stabbed enough and that on the scale of history, one stabbing more or less doesn't mean the other wins, just that both parties have been losing all this time.

ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote: What would have happened if the Villages didn't have a common enemy? They would still fight each other in some form. Since they wouldn't trust each other or try to understand each other. As Madara said, cooperation is just another form of fighting. I believe he was correct. But that doesn't mean that we should just wage war because it's fighting anyway, or that cooperation isn't a preferable form of competition compared to all out war, or that there are better ways to deal with this.

ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote: Trying to understand each other is correct but I what am trying to say is that its not that easy and it most likely will never be. But why would -or even should- it be easy? Why is this a criterion? As long as individual ideas exist, conflicts will arise. But just because conflicts exist doesn't mean we should pick the worst way to fight it. Madara's mistake was that he wanted to eradicate conflict itself, not recognizing that even though cooperation was conflict, people grow through such conflict, and that that struggle was vastly preferable to sending kids out to fight and die.

Because that's Naruto's answer, not that there shouldn't be conflict, but that we should try to minimize it. Previously people wouldn't consider another's point of view, but Naruto bowed before the Raikage to ask him to consider his point of view. Where others saw Sasuke merely as rotten, Naruto tried to understand why this was the case, and tried to change him. When he fought people he tried to understand their pain. As Kakashi pointed out, pain creates a hole in one's heart, one that other people can fill, even if they can't replace what was there. Where Pain tried to give everyone the same hole so they could understand each other, Naruto tried to create new bonds to fill the voids that were left.

In other words, you can wallow in self-pity or you can go out and meet new people.