Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-3365837-20160805011327/@comment-25218206-20160809212835

"why should it? kaguya is literally a totally different person, different memory, different chkra lvls, different abilitys, different body structure, everything is different so we cant say she scales to madara in terms of speed..."

It scales because Kaguya is in the same speed range as Madara, even if I accept Madara is faster than Kaguya, then the only way Kaguya wouldn't scale is that if Madara was like 10x faster.

"but i cant remember her moving around a lot..."

In the begginning of the fight when Kaguya blitzed over to Naruto, and Naruto was suprised as her speed. I'm not claiming that Naruto being surprised is clear indication of Kaguya being faster than Madara, but Madara's speed never bltized or anything of the sort. We see Base SPSM Naruto keep up and dodge Madara's Limbo, and hit him with a lava FRS, and afterwards Madara's gains some powerups and Cloaked SPSM Naruto dodges the light fang, and Naruto's clones were keeping up with Madara's Limbos. Kaguya's performance was better.

"madara recognizing the space bend does not mean he is as fast as guy" see =/= being able to move that fast"

That's not the point. 1 eyed Madara IS slower than Gai, I'm not claiming that he's as fast physically. I'm simply saying that Madara's reaction speed is fast enough to see Gai bend space. In your arrow example you said ", i can see a arrow flying, im sure that i wont reach such speeds ever." Humans can only really see the general direction of an arrow and a blur of the arrow, while Madara was watching Gai dash at him. Gai is faster but Madara can see him move.

Kaguya's reactions should be on the same level as Madara(I mean Kaguya literally absorbed him) and Weakened Kaguya couldn't see SPSM Naruto move, let alone dodge. If someone faster than Madara can't see Naruto move, but Madara can see the space bend then that implies to me that Naruto would be faster.....

", kaguya on the other hand always attacked with her ninjutsu while staying at one place only and only moving around thanks to her dimension-jutsu..."

Naruto was suprised at Kaguya's speed when she blitzs over to him. Kaguya was also keeping up speed wise with dozens of Naruto's SPSM clones.

The best example I can think of that Kaguya is on Madara's speed level is that Dual eyed Rinnegan + Shinju Madara(Who should be superior in every way to 1 eyed Madara without the Shinju) Limbo clones can fight 1 v 1 Naruto's clones. Kaguya being able to fight dozens of Naruto's clones but Madara's limbo's can fight 1 v 1 agaisnt the clones implies that Kaguya is faster than you think....She is not slower than Madara is.