Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20170610192426/@comment-24824859-20170615120551

Namikazenaruto9 wrote: SO Orochimaru manhandled Kurama controlled Naruto? Doesn't makes much of difference to me. Infact I was pointing out the Fact that Orochimaru showed the highest tanking power for ninja not powered by six paths. He took a Tailed beast bomb(slowed slightly by triple Rashomon) and still didn't die rather he was able to continue the fight without any visible strains of the damage he took. Can you say same things for either Sasuke or Naruto? Even if  What you said about Jiraiya's fire release were true(which seems contrary to Yamato's explanation, Where he explained To Naruto that If equally strong or stronger fire release was used against wind release a stronger attack would be diverted back at naruto), Pain Easily jumped over it and as matter of fact Jiraiya in SM Has one of the best mobility considering He has frog leaps. He can more than easily dodge Either of Sasuke or Naruto's attack(kirin could be evaded with a reverse summoning). Orochimaru could use a sacrifice-summon or perhaps counter with his unique substitution considering the fact that sasuke can't hide the tell-tale condition for Kirin. Getting punched around, having your attacks countered or rendered ineffective, and reaching your limits can not be considered manhandling someone. Orochimaru didnt tank the very weak TBB, the Triple Rashomon took most of the attack. Prove that Jiraiya's strongest fire technique is on the level of a Rasdnshuriken. Naruto can pressure Jiraiya into getting hit by a Rasenshuriken. Also, Rasenshuriken and Kirin aren't the only ways Naruto and Sasuke can destroy Jiraiya and Orochimaru

I don't know about sacrifice-summon but Orochimaru's substitution will not allow him to evade Kirin