Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-142748-20150410212019/@comment-142748-20150413024214

Trappedinmygenjutsu wrote: Black Zetsu is the most legitimate source of information in the whole series as he is the only one who has seen everyone in the manga through out their whole lifetime. Zetsu was not limited by being from a certain generation and having bias towards a certain era, this is a being who goes around the land RECORDING the battles throughout history. He won't just simply forget how powerful previous ninjas were, and yet he confidently stated that Itachi was invincible (not probably, or maybe but straight out INVINCIBLE). hyperbole [hahy-pur-buh-lee]

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noun, Rhetoric 1. obvious and intentional exaggeration. 2. an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”.

Black Zetsu's analysis is hyperbole. A deliberate exaggeration at that. The manga showed that no one is invincible, and Itachi is most importably beatable. He even puts himself on Jiraiya's level of power, yet Black Zetsu's statement is supposed to be taken seriously?

Even Itachi said there was nothing invincible in the manga. So why put so much stock in the Yata Mirror when it hasn't even been put to the test? It doesn't make sense. Or are you trying to pull a Chewbacca Defense on me like Johnny Cocraine? (South Park reference) The scenarios I stated do not paint out Hashirama to be a moron, but he is restricted because his limited knowledge of Itachi Uchiha and him having to play catch up during the fight. I pointed out logical moves for Hashirama as there is no way for him to know that Itachi carries an OHKO move (totsuka blade) with him, because he never had to face someone with an OHKO in his lifetime. Hashirama's most impressive abilities rely on his stamina and healing prowess but Itachi can bypass both with one strike of the Totsuka blade. It is just an unfortunate case of 'paper beating rock' for Hashirama in this case. And why do you act like Hashirama will just STAND there to be hit by Totsuka? And for all we know, a being with so much chakra like Hashirama will overload it and force it to short out. And what exactly is stopping Hashirama from just catching it like he does with Madara's Susanoo blades? You haven't explained that. We have yet to even consider the fact that using Itachi's sharingan genjutsu, he could cause Hashirama to use his strongest techniques against himself. Hashirama won't make eye contact, or he'll just break said genjutsu. Only one person made eye contact stupidly and that was Deidara when he didn't even have his genjutsu defense or even knew what the Sharingan was. During the era of Hashirama, we barely were able to see any in-combat feats of genjutsu and we can't just assume that Hashirama will be able to simply dispel any genjutsu that Itachi throws at him. Madara is shown using genjutsu on the Kages. Thus we can assume he tried genjutsu on Hashirama. Hashirama is also a Yin Release user, he's a genjutsu user himself. Remember what genjutsu requires? High intelligence and superior chakra control. Hashirama has both. Naruto (even right before Itachi's death) was caught in genjutsu every time he started a confrontation with Itachi, even when avoiding eye contact with Itachi. ...catching a pre-Sage Mode Naruto in genjutsu is not a feat. His intelligence was average. His chakra control sucked. Why is catching Naruto of all people, who was a greenhorn in genjutsu for the first half of the series, such a great feat CaughtInMyGenjutsu? These instances give Itachi more than enough time to seal someone with the totsuka blade before they are able to release themselves from the genjutsu (if they even can at all). Itachi's genjutsu are easily broken by people of Hashirama's caliber. Even Kurenai could break Itachi's genjutsu before he could even land a punch. Totsuka isn't hitting and Itachi doesn't use it automatically. And again, what's stopping Hashirama just from just catching the Totsuka blade with the Hobi Technique?