Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-34194151-20180918182106

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I'll make this simpler. If you don't mind, Reference a scan or statement of proof that obito used kamui to escape the flames. And mind you, karin clearly had a hole burned through her clothes while obito didn't, just saying. We know that izanagi restores the target to whatever state they were in just before the jutsu was cast, and that includes the restoration of any damaged clothing. Until, then obito needed another jutsu to escape amaterasu. Nothing I know of states that he can get rid of the flames using kamui, especially when we know there are certain objects that don't trigger his kamui, like regular air it seems. There is no reason why the author would need to hide obito's "fail-safe" if it was simply kamui, a jutsu we had already seen him using. Sure, there is nothing conclusive, but the same can be said for both sides of this discussion.

show me a scan or statement that obito saw through itachi's contingency crow placed in naruto. Until then, Itachi's outsmarted obito and stopped sasuke from being his eternal pawm. His plan to kill obito may have failed but he clearly had a backup tactic to protect sasuke from the darkness. konan on the other hand failed to kill obito, and that was her only objective. Also, then another scan that itachi knew about kamui beforehand. Nothing suggests he knew about it. Obito knew itachi was a wild card so I feel obito was inclined to not go showing his abilities to him in the little time they spent together, whereas he saw konan as an ally and had no trouble using his main abilities around her. and we perfectly and well know obito still has mokuton, katon, and other jutsu he could have been using instead if he was ever around itachi.

Itachi can take obito imo in a circumstance where obito can't simply stall with kamui. So yes, let's pretent that itachi was the one hiding nagato's rinnegan and obito needed to capture him and beat the information out of him or get out of him with genjutsu. The easiest way is a simple clone feint. If the battle is on water, it would resemble the part one fight with kakashi alot. Itachi uses the shuriken ruse and uses water-style attacks while obito phases through. Itachi blocks his Line of sight with the water style. Obito blitzes him by simply phasing through the water. He says "you're finished" as he managed to grab itachi and starts sucking him into kamui land by the throat, as itachi explodes. as it turned out, itachi used his water style as a Line of sight blocker to swap himself out with a clone and move into obito's blindspot, just like he did to kakashi. Obito is stunned/suprised from the explosion, s and the real itachi stabs him in the back with the totsuka blade instead of the kunai he used against kakashi. You can modify this with other things like tsykyomi coming into play. That said, Obito is weak to deception due to his overconfidence. he would assume that itachi's water style attack was mere fodder, and he wouldn't think itachi would use the water style as diversion to set up his clone feint.

2) I honestly don't see what the issue is here. No one batted an eye when nagato could react to rasenshurikens coming out of smokescreens, yet when it's itachi's weapon the smokescreen is purely to blame? Ok, so the smoke didn't clear before the blade was launched. Still doesn't stop him from seeing the blade coming out of the smoke, when he is standing several feet away from the smoke. If the blade is as slow as you claimed, there is no reason why Nagato wouldn't have been able to absorb or block the blade once he saw it coming out of that smokescreen.

3)Cowardice? C'mon. This is a public thread and it's moderated. It's an open discussion. Everyone is wrong from time to time which is why we have discussions and try to come to consensus. Yes I have been wrong. And this wiki is open to edits for a reason. There are many discussions that happen and then information gets corrected. As we speak, I'm part of another thread that's discussing the SPSM article. So yes, I know the proper channels needed to confirm information or verify that information is correct. This isn't a tyranny, and no one should feel they can't offer their opinion nor is any one required to go trying to convince everyone that their opinion on a topic is right. For the purposes of this thread, I simply stated we have clearly seen Part two amaterasu burning down beings, even immortal ones, at a fast rate, so there is an inconsistency in the feats of amaterasu, and I see no reason why low end feats automatically trump high end ones. So yes, if I felt the need to bring this to someone's attention I would or someone feels my opinion on the matter is disruptive, they can tell me, as I'm sure moderators are watching this thread. This is a versus debate which hinges on the use of feats and the interpretation of them.

4) I feel this is reaching. Nowhere was it stated that being unable to compete with someone in battle means you are outclassed in every possible way, that is a fallacy. Kakashi felt out of place in the battle with kaguya before his DMS upgrade, does that suddenly mean he was dumber than kaguya? Kakashi simply wasn't Sannin level in part one nor in part two, so he couldn't compete in battle, nothing says he had no advantages over each of the individual sannin.