Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180904162457

LegionZero wrote: 1. Hes not considered the juubichuriki by anyone as far as i can remember

2. Databook says SPSM was from Hagoromo and no one/nothing else. Point blank, end of story.

3. Just because it happened quickly doesnt mean what you claim happened. Kurama said its time for the prophecy and Hagoromo said yea. Nothing in the conversation even suggests that the bijuu would be responsible for anything.

4.LOL Orochimaru's curse marks were developed from Juugos bodily fluids that react to senjutsu chakra(Sage Transformation). Orochimaru's Senjutsu chakra is in his Curse Marks and they cause the user to undergo Sage Transformation.

I didnt say having Senjutsu Chakra makes one a Sage. Being able to use it makes one a Sage. Orochimaru can make Senjutsu chakra but he cant use it. Thats why hes not a Sage.

5. Please read the manga and the databooks. They say she was selfish and delusional and believed that any chakra belonged to her because she was the first to have it. If her chakra was split evenly between them she would have no chakra and then wouldnt be able to rule anymore.

6.Lack context? Really. The Databook says they are for activating SP Chibaku Tensei. NOTHING ELSE. No other powers were attributed to the seals in the manga or databooks. Naruto's healing others was attributed to Yin-Yang release by the databooks.

Either provide evidence for the manga that the seals did anything else besides activate SP Chibaku Tensei from the manga or databook or dont bother talking about them again.

7. If it wasnt stated/shown in the manga/databook then it didnt happen. Provide page numbers or databook entries.

8 Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote: Maybe if I link to it I won’t be flagged for spamming. Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote: Naruto was(essentially) also a juubi jinchuriki. This confirms my point and proves me right. Naruto being the juubi jinchuriki gave him access to juubi chakra and is how he awakened rikudo senjutsu. This power was present both times Naruto entered rsm. It is a requirement to enter the mode. It says "in a manner of speaking". "In a manner of speaking" means that whatever is being said isnt literally true. Naruto was not literally the 10 Tails jinchuriki because he never combined the chakras into one.

1/2/3/7/8: You make all those claims yet when you get proven wrong you run to semantics. Well here’s more of that same quote. Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote: 4. You are only proving my point. Obito and madara were juubi jinchuriki that was their source of rikudo senjutsu. Well guess what, Naruto was(essentially) also a juubi jinchuriki. That means his source of rikudo senjutsu was similar to theirs. Similar in that they each had gained all 9 biju chakra. Those 9 chakra were acquired each aquired without any help from hagoromo. The mode itself only works with juubi’ chakra. Which is why Naruto waited until enough was produced so he can use it. Hagromo himself acknowledge the existence of all 9 biju inside Naruto. All this was stated in the OP.

Never did I make the claim that Naruto had an actual juubi inside him during the war. In fact I warned you not to make that mistake.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote: Don’t mistake have juubi chakra for having the actual juubi inside him. Naruto did not have the actual juubi inside, he was simply able to recreate a fraction of its chakra. This is proven by the fact that he could still speak to individual biju throughout the fight with kaguya. So since he doesn’t actually have the juubi inside him, he doesn’t go through the same changes as obito or madara, Or as littlegen said Littlegen wrote: Or, it could be due to the lack of the Gedo Statue. Naruto doesn't have the Gedo Statue and that could be attributed to why he doesn't resemble the other Ten-Tails Jinchuriki. He has the power of the Ten-Tails but not the actual Ten-Tails.

Yet you make that very mistake. This is evidence that you are arguing in circles. At this point I’m expecting you to repeat this again sometime later in the the thread.

Regardless, we’ve established several things as a baseline:

•Rikudo senjutsu regardless of how you attain it looks the same.

•Juubi jinchuriki gain juubi chakra which is rikudo senjutsu.

•Naruto was essentially a juubi jinchuriki before he entered rsm meaning he also had rikudo senjutsu.

•Sage modes don’t work without senjutsu. Rsm doesn’t work without rikudo senjutsu.

As far as the OP is concerned, my work here is done. I will still address your other responses.

4. Orochimaru uses his senjutsu for curse marks. He is a senjutsu user. Not a sage. He used it to store aspects of his mind in each user, letting him observe watch from their perspective. This was proven when anko was used to revive orochimaru.

5. Hagromo power was split between his sons. Kaguya’ power was split between her sons. When Hagromo spoke with Naruto he mentions that parents don’t always pass power to their children. Well after hagoromo passed his power to Sasuke and Naruto he left the rest to them. Even when Sasuke wanted to kill the gokage, hagoromo did nothing. It was ultimately up to Naruto to stop him. This proves hagoromo was weakened.

6. Each feat of Naruto healing gets credited to his hand. When questioned about his healing feats he confirms he did heal them and that he could do more, all while he looks down at only his hand. When he healed kakashi’ eye. His hand seal makes a sound effect. He was even about to explain the feat but was cut off by Sasuke before fully conveying the process. Naruto knows what he did, he used his rikudo seals. As for evidence, I provided that earlier.