Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-27429908-20160102030534/@comment-3965545-20160228185458

TBB's are not that fast and that was not an ocean, it was a big lake. People not to stop exaggerating. Hashi was only strong because of wood release, sage mode, and his chakra reserves. Madara because of his chakra reserves, EMS and his Perfect Susanoo. Tobirama is faster than both of them, so is Minato, so is Sasuke, so is Itachi, so is Gai. They were only the absolute strongest in their time because literally there were no other people who could even be considered strong. Hiruzen was only around 13 when Madara "died" DB4 confirms that "AT A YOUNG AGE, Hiruzen surpassed Tobirama".. that was before he was even in his prime. Prime Hiruzen = Hashirama, Prime Nagato could beat Madara at the cost of his life. Your opinions are not changing what the author and his manga and databooks make as fact.