User talk:Seelentau

in theory
Wouldn't it require for Shisui or anyone else capable of using Kotoamatsukami to have had Hash Senju cells in the first place in order to have determined its requirement for the shortened interval of usage?--Elveonora (talk) 18:41, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

Flying Thunder God
Hi Seelentau, can you please translate what Minato said in THIS SCENE. Thanks. NoJutsu (talk) 06:58, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Seelentau. NoJutsu (talk) 17:18, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

Kakashi's ANBU special anime arc
Hi Seelentau-senpai and how are you? It's been a long time ... I have a request please, could you provide me with the full translation of this topic that related to the upcoming anime arc about Kakashi in his ANBU era from Shōnen Jump's website? I want to add it on the article. Thanks — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 08:41, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for the info. Hopefully it will be an amazing arc. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 11:21, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Flower Ninja Art: Maximum Cutting
Could you check on its name? I think the current one isn't correct. It's episode 187, about 19:45.--LeafShinobi (talk) 15:37, December 10, 2013 (UTC)

Desert Layered Imperial Funeral Seal
I'm kind of perplexed about whether it's a collaboration technique. Gaara's hand was trembling because of the effort put into restraining Madara with the sand from the Wind Release: Sand Scattering Bullets, not because he was actively taking part in sealing Madara along with Shukaku.--JOA20 (talk) 22:24, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Making use of this section, could you give some insight on something? I brought up the issue about creating a separate page for Shukaku's juinjutsu in this week's chapter talk page. What exactly does Shukaku say when it mentions the cursed seal and the sand, just after the panel Gaara and the name of the jutsu appear? Does it call the entire construct, both the sand the the juinjutsu pattern, or is it a name specifically for the juinjutsu pattern? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:06, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

chakra color
To my limited knowledge, it varies from person to person, relatives being more likely to have the same. Cerez disagrees, believing it's the same for most, ignoring differently colored Susanooos and Byakugan having noted colors of chakra, among other instances, so I would like to know which of us is mistaken.--Elveonora (talk) 14:56, December 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just gonna throw this out here, unless I am also mistaken, chakra has always only been yellow in the manga (blue in anime) or demon red. I'm not sure why Susanoo has different colors but the only colors that have been mentioned in manga was yellow and red.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 16:43, December 16, 2013 (UTC)

How about when Ao recognised shisui's chakra colour? I know it's usually shown as blue, but these things confuse me. Neji of the gentle fist (talk) 22:35, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * err, I don't really know about the colour of chakra. Jiraiya once said that Naruto should imagine his own chakra as yellow and the fox's chakra as red. Going from there, Kishi apparently decided to make these the official colours of normal and beast chakra. So what Ulti said is correct. Now regarding Shisui's chakra, I don't have access to the raw right now, but the translation should be correct. It seems that Ao recognized Shisui's chakra colour, but that doesn't mean that it's different from any other colour. Maybe it's yin-yang ratio differs or so, dunno. Susanoo is made of the user's life force, so maybe that's the reason for the different colouring? Seelentau 愛議 09:21, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry!!!
Sorry I wont type like that anymore Munchvtec (talk) 09:32, December 18, 2013 (UTC)munchvtec

insults
when you messaged me about my spelling your message had many grammatical errors in it and I'm not talking about the example you gave, so don't go around telling others what to do THANKS Munchvtec (talk) 16:34, December 18, 2013 (UTC)munchvtec

Kanji help
Any idea on what the second to last kanji is here? It seems to be pronounced either う or つ, but I'm not having any luck. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:09, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

tb question
I've been wondering for a while, in the anime, sometime it seems that the TB are really talking, other times, just weirdly opening their mouths and somehow telepathically communicating instead? The anime screwed my brain, now I'm not sure if they are capable of speech just like humans, if they make animal noises and only their jinchuuriki understand that or if they communicate with their minds ._.--Elveonora (talk) 16:13, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Was that in manga too? I ask because I don't recall and in the anime, they keep switching between telepathy and actual speech or mixing it. I mean, why would they even open their mouths in the first place if they weren't using them?--Elveonora (talk) 16:58, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Kabuto stuff
it's kinda nonsense for Orochimaru to have left Akatsuki 6 years aNB but for Kabuto to have met with Sasori 10-11 years aNB... weren't they in and out together? Also I still disagree that Kabuto left Konoha 3 years aNB, that would have made him 10 then and by the time he did leave, it was 5 years since he had been at the orphanage. He was there for 3 years, meaning he would have had to have been 2 years old when taken by them, that's nonsense.--Elveonora (talk) 18:45, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

I thought that the meeting that had occurred having been mentioned in chapter 289 was the same one as shown in chapter 584 and in that one Orochimaru is there.--Elveonora (talk) 19:42, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Then why to show Kabuto and Orochimaru with Sasori in the middle and on the next page the meeting? ;0--Elveonora (talk) 22:01, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Question about Sections
What do you think of sections like bukujutsu, Intelligence, things like that? Case by case and overall? I am asking Sysops this question and while you not a Sysop and your primary focus seems to be making sure we don't translate things stupid, I put you on level of one so your opinion would be very much appreciated.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 12:32, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

Edit Farming
You guys can say whatever you want. I'm just helping the articles. If you guys don't need my help and think you can manage the wiki without me say it. And also, if I really wanted to edit farm I could its not agaisnt the rules. Munchvtec (talk) 14:25, January 8, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec

I've helped with plenty of characters appearance sections and trivia and ive made pages. Are those pointless too? Just keep to yourself!Munchvtec (talk) 15:12, January 8, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec

Re: 1010 (haha, get it?)
You can see the movement lines when Tenten waves the fan and later on she is exhausted from using the fan, but the best way to tell it wasn't Asuma's technique that destroyed the lightning mask is the location. Tenten is fighting the mask on the water, she's at sea level. Ino-Shika-Chō are fighting on one of those rock plateaus, you can tell they're standing on rock. That rock plateau is much higher than sea level. There's also the issue with direction. The technique that destroyed the mask was cast from the sea towards the rock formations. Tenten's position in the two panels on that page is the same, and in the second one, where you can see more of the background, you can see that the top of the rock formations to the right are higher, meaning they're closer, so the jutsu that the destroyed the mask went from the sea towards the rock formations. The Asuma fight on the other hand, they're on the ledges of the rock formations. The wall behind them is continuous, so they're fighting along the ledge, like along a step of a stair. Asuma's technique goes along that ledge, instead of going toward the wall. The directions in which both techniques blow are perpendicular between themselves. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:24, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Hiya!
Sorry to bother you, Seelntau-san! :) You see, I'm going to start my second semester in college on Monday, and I've signed up for a Japanese course. Yesterday night, my sensei sent us (her students) an email, notifying us that she was posted the course materials and etc cetera online. Anyway, as I was looking at them, I decided that, as the wiki's resident translator, you might have some words of wisdom to share with me? ^_^ I'm really nervous about taking the course, even though I knew it was going to be hard. Telling the difference between the Japanese characters is what I'm worried about the most. So, if it isn't too much trouble, can you please give some advice on preparing to learn Japanese as a beginner?-- Ninja Sheik  18:55, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Yay~! Thank you, Seelentau-san! :D Sure, I don't mind showing you some the course materails. But I need to send it via email. Course work is posted online, and only students can access it through documents. I can't post it here since it'd be too long. Second semester hasn't started yet, like I said, so I don't really need to show it to you right away. According to the syllabus, the first thing we're going to be working on is "Greetings" and learn about the Japanese Writing System. Sensei wants us to practice with writing in hiragana characters first. She also says that she'll be giving us workbooks and textbooks to use for homework, so I'm going to get a lot of practice in. I hope I can come to you whenever I need help. :) Which might be often, just to let you know. ^ _ ^;-- Ninja Sheik  19:54, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

I have a proposal
I have the Herobook downloaded. It is missing on this website and I believe there is NOT any full translations of it. If I uploaded the book, would you mind making a page on the wiki and translating everything?? It is only 11 pages long btw. ShounenSuki himself said it was indeed canon all the way and should be added to the wiki fully translated years ago. Let me know what you think ok? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 19:22, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

some of the dialogue
Any idea what Zetsu meant by insides being good? Also Madara about nurturing a new eye referred to Sasuke, presumably? I get it he wants his eye, although I don't get what he meant by wondering if it will stick around or not--Elveonora (talk) 14:27, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. And you know how the Uchiha men are... nothing shows affection of love better than a blade in the heart. Obviously, it's not the real Sasuke :-) Furthermore, perhaps it's just me looking too deep into the dialogue, but is it just me who finds it super weird that Madara completely ignored Sasuke until now and suddenly is interested in his existence? He even talks almost as if he had expected Sasuke's presence and role or something... maybe, just maybe... He is his REAL father 0_0 "star wars wannabe plot incoming" and the sole purpose for his conception was to raise the ultimate eyes, Eternal Mangekyou Byasharineggan, because Mikoto obviously was a Hyuga by blood and cheated with Madara on Fugaku, her eyes can be explained as lenses or a transplant. They all have eye fetish, mark my words! --Elveonora (talk) 14:34, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

I think Kishi didn't handle the whole awareness thing well. We aren't entirely sure what Sasuke knows and what he doesn't and when did he realize Tobi isn't Madara and if he had suspected so. The dialogue would suggest from Jugo, but after he said that, Sasuke got this weird Itachi flashback completely unrelated to the said revelation. We didn't get any reaction or opinion from him on "Madara"/Tobi being Obito and we don't even know if he knows who Obito is. Same for Madara on Sasuke... it seems Madara knows about the Uchiha Clan Massacre... was Obito acting on Madara's death wish? Or did Zetsu have Madara up to date telepathically on the *** that has happened? Too many unknowns. I think Kishi leaves too many ends open to be left unanswered and for our minds to be filled out and changes his priorities often... also I find it stupid that Itachi, genius of geniuses, kid already with adult Kage-like mentality ate Obito's "I'm Madara" deceit--Elveonora (talk) 15:09, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Translation request
Hi senpai. Could you please translate what's written in this image? It's somthing related to the next special anime episode. Thanks so much.. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 15:50, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

maybe just over your dead body
But... do you recall the anime instance of Hashirama deflecting Hiruzen's Katon projectiles? Wouldn't that by any means count as Gentle Fist?--Elveonora (talk) 14:50, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFOen2IiAA0&t=2m43s --Elveonora (talk) 15:18, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

What else? Deflecting projectiles with chakra or something through fingers is tenketsu thingy ain't it?--Elveonora (talk) 18:58, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

No, it was lightning chakra gathered as a shield/barrier and wasn't used as a fighting style, so no. A Gentle Fist user has to more or less literary shoot/expel (not just gather, otherwise 90% of ninja would be users) chakra from tenketsu on his/her palms or from fingers. I know anime-only stuff ain't canon in 99% of cases, so it may be pointless giving it more relevance and trying to make sense of those things, but we generally don't ignore them. Hell we have Ball of Light Technique while we could just mention in his article: "in the anime, Yamato used chakra to create an orb to illuminate a room" What Hashirama did in that episode was as close to Gentle Fist as it could get, save the fact which you can use to argue against it that he didn't use it on Hiruzen to block his pathways and shi*--Elveonora (talk) 19:20, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Hanzō
I'm creating articles on video game jutsu, and I want to cross Hanzō off the list, but I have a few questions about his jutsu. Most of them follow the format "刃鎌の舞・***の刃", the first part, which I'm translating as "Dance of the Sickle Blade", I can't quite see what the pronunciation of the first two kanji would be. There are three ways I can see them each being pronounced (Jin/Nin/Ha and Ren/Ken/Kama), meaning I have nine options of how to list them. I've able to clear my doubts before with Google Translate, which suggests "Hakama", but I'm playing it safe and asking your opinion. Also in those jutsu, what would be the most appropriate pronunciation, "jin" or "yaiba"? Finally, there's a technique of his called 鎖牢爆. I'm translating that as "Chained Prison Explosion", but would it be "Sarōbaku" or "Kusari Rōbaku"? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:51, January 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * And on a slightly similar note, there this one technique of Mifune that I don't know how to translate. English game calls it "Rare Sword", Japanese is 逸刀, Ittō. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:03, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Eine Frage
Hallo. Ich habe gesehen, dass du hier für die japanischen Übersetzungen zuständig bist. Darf ich fragen, wo und wie du so gut Japanisch gelernt hast? Studierst du Japanologie, oder kommt deine Familie selbst aus Japan? Ich frage, weil ich selber stark daran interessiert bin, Japanisch zu lernen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Wongo2Wongo2 (talk) 18:32, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

2 things
"Does chakra contain DNA?" A recently brought up topic on narutoanswers which has caught my interest. Most people without even thinking would say no and such an answer was given, but how then to explain Tailed Beasts and individuals like Orochimaru? Each time he transfers his soul into a host and once the body's time span is over, a brand new body of his gets created from within as he comes out the mouth. (creepy) Same for him emerging in physical form Sasuke.

Another thing is I believe I might have found an instance of life force in effect. That's right, Edo Tensei. A living sacrifice is used for it. The unfortunate one gets his/her soul replaced with the revived one's. The sacrifices are dead as they can be once the technique is executed, soulless and their bodily functions ended. So if they are corpses animated with foreign souls, why can't the technique be used on already dead bodies? Simple, life force is what makes it possible in the first place and what powers the process. One's Own Life Reincarnation and Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique are evidence that life force is a separate thing from both soul and chakra. This could also explain why Orochimaru's host bodies start to reject him eventually, their life force runs out and that's why the bodies die. I speculate that had their life force not run out, they would have regained consciousness with their souls not leaving with Orochimaru.--Elveonora (talk) 20:48, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

I meant that his body died when he attempted to take over Sasuke, yet there it was from nowhere coming from him during his fight with Itachi, Oro transfers his soul to our knowledge. For TB DNA, well they have flesh and blood which are made of cells and DNA is inside of cells, in an anime filler (non-canon still, I know) Oro/Kabuto cloned Gyuki's horn I believe. But you are right, it's fiction we are talking about, I just thought it was a question that we can't answer with certainty so was wondering what you think, sorry for bothering :-I I also like to convince myself that even in fiction, when references to real-life are made, the authors knows how it works first before going into them ^_ --Elveonora (talk) 14:28, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Eye scope kanji
This is Eye= エイぇ and this is scope=  ｓこぺ so how is it wrong? Munchvtec 15:40, January 22, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec
 * First of all, none of those things are Kanji, the first part is Katakana, the s is from the Latin alphabet and the rest are Hiragana. What you wrote is "Eieskope". Neither the "Japanese" word nor the translation makes any sense. There is no Japanese term for "eye scope" and we also do not add Kanji to unnamed stuff. Seelentau 愛議 17:23, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

feiku
Not sure if I'm made fun of or if you just tried to be cool. I prefer to believe it was the latter, so let's leave it at that. Just make sure that when you do it, I'm being properly imitated... Of course it's not like with your level of proficiency you could ever substitute for me, swag not high enough, just saying you should do your best or not bother at all. Knowing when to use "tho" and how to properly spell it is very important to your overall public image so people can see how well educated and behaved you are, thanks for cooperation.--Elveonora (talk) 15:53, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

He was just trying to brighten the mood on this gloomy wikia. When I read it I had a laugh. Munchvtec 15:57, January 22, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec
 * So am I. And yes, it was funny, even more than the Yamato remark lol--Elveonora (talk) 16:01, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Hahaha yea well I should try messin around sometime, I did on Spiral Zetsu's talkpage. Munchvtec 16:03, January 22, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec

Episodes 346-347 cast list
Hi senpai and how are you? Could you please check the cast list for the articles of the both today's episodes if possible? I'm not sure about the old man one and I put a question mark because I wasn't sure about the kanji. Thanks — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 14:46, January 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Arigatō senpai. I was asking you to check them, and seems that I was right about them. And it's good to hear that you'll check for the Kakashi ANBU story summary. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 12:01, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

Another translation request please
Sorry for bothering you, but if you have time. Could you provide us with the translation of Kakashi ANBU filler arc story summary that was posted tonight in TV-Tokyo's website? Check it here. You can also check the age of all those characters on that time here. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 19:36, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Suna ID's
Sure, I will look at it and see if I can discern a pattern and the workings of it. It may take some time since I would have to start with Chiyo and go down to Gaara I believe. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:06, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

This will be a long post but here is what I got so far.

Konoha was founded 60 years before Part 1 of Naruto where Hiruzen was 68 and Chiyo was 69.

Hiruzen Konoha Ninja Registration ID: 000261 261/36 = 7.25 or just 7 meaning Hiruzen was part of the 7th graduating class, which would be 34 years before Naruto's birth since the first class Graduated 40 years before naruto's birth and we can assume it took at the least 1 year to graduate. Meaning Hiruzen was an 18yr old Genin.

What we know is Suna's academy and class sizes are different than Konoha's, until Suna became Allies with Konoha and they adopted Konoha's Academy system.

As shown below 60-56(56 being the same as Gaaras first 2 numbers) years before Naruto Part 1 Suna was also made. So we can conclude that first 2 numbers are the graduating class as you said.

"48-44 Years before Naruto's birth Events A strong ninja unites Ninja in Kaze no Kuni, people who live in the desert and the village Sunagakure is made. The priests of the temple in Sunagakure seal the Bijū Shukaku. Kumogakure is founded in Kaminari no Kuni. Kinkaku and Ginkaku try to catch Kurama and are thereby swallowed by the Bijū. Two weeks later it spits them back out after the brothers feed on Kurama's Chakra flesh and so have taken integrated part of Kurama's chakra into themselves. Iwagakure is founded in Tsuchi no Kuni. Kirigakure was founded in Mizu no Kuni."

"40 Years before Naruto's birth Events The first 36 Ninja complete the training institution."

Now onto the next number set. The things we don't know are the prerequisites to graduate the Suna Academy, or the size of the classes. But from the looks of it, of the 1st year graduates of Suna's Academy, Chiyo was the first. But from the looks of it, of the 56th year graduates of Suna's Academy, Gaara was the first.

Chiyo would be 73 if she lived to Sasuke's betrayal of Orochimaru. Chiyo Suna Ninja Registration ID: 01-002

4th Kazekage would be 44 if he lived to Sasuke's betrayal of Orochimaru. 4th Kazekage's Suna Ninja Registration ID: 28-115

Yashamaru would be 37 if he lived to Sasuke's betrayal of Orochimaru. Yashamaru Suna Ninja Registration ID: 32-049 Academy Grad. Age: 11

Sasori would be 36 if he lived to Sasuke's betrayal of Orochimaru. Sasori Suna Ninja Registration ID: 33-001 Academy Grad. Age: 7

Baki is 35 in DB3 Baki Suna Ninja Registration ID: 38-212 Academy Grad. Age: 8

Yura would be 29 if he lived to Sasuke's Betrayal of Orochimaru. Yura Suna Ninja Registration ID: 44-005

Temari is 19 in DB3 Temari Suna Ninja Registration ID: 53-004 Academy Grad. Age: 12

Kankuro is 18 in DB3 Kankuro Suna Ninja Registration ID: 54-002 Academy Grad. Age: 12

Gaara is 16 in DB3 Gaara Konoha Ninja Registration ID: 56-001 (We know Gaara Graduated the same time as Naruto apparently) Academy Grad. Age: 12

Here's what I get from this, although there is conflicting information. But remember Kishi makes mistakes, nobody is perfect.

Yashamaru is 2 years older than Baki who graduated at 8yrs and graduated 6yrs earlier than Baki according to the Grad Numbers. Meaning Yashamaru was 4 when he graduated as 6 years before Baki was 8 Baki was 2.

Yura is 10 years older than Temari and graduated only 9 years before her yet he is 10 years older. Meaning Yura was 13 when he graduated as 9 years before Temari was 12 Temari was 3.

So this method has promise, it still isn't perfected or completely understood yet. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 21:35, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I noticed those Suna ID Issues but it is most likely an author error, as nobody including authors are perfect. Its best to go by the most info and the small bit of wrong/error info can be ignored, in the case with Kakashi and Obito. Chapter 599 is unreliable altogether because of Anko and such, but the ID method until databook 4 is released is a safer and more accurate method, so as far as that goes, Obito and Rin are actually the same age as Asuma and Kurenai. Kakashi and Gai are one year younger than those bunch. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 04:00, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

One moreee ting!
http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/naruto/kakashi/chara.html#chara01 What does this say for each Character?? Thanks man. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 23:18, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Nice
I applaud you on your new timeline. It's pretty darn good. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 04:13, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Rinbo: Hengoku
Rinbo: Hengoku should have Deva path as it's parent jutsu. Why can't you let it be that way? You said you believe it too but you think its speculation. But how is it speculation if the picture clearly shows the tailed beasts being repelled? How is it not Deva Path? --Rinneganmaster (talk) 01:58, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Game favor.
Hi Mr.Seel long time no talk. Thanks for the last favor u did to me. If u have time and r free, is it okay to translate this pages to me? It's ok if u can't, thank you. THANKYOU Small brother (talk) 11:59, January 29, 2014 (UTC) 1- 2- 3- 4- 5- 6- 7- 8-.

Ok, as u like, thank you. THANKYOU Small brother (talk) 17:28, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Deletion
What right do you have to delete valid trivia note? Munchvtec 13:05, January 30, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec Every right there is. If Omni-kun deletes it, he has his reasons and you're not allowed to add it again. I think it's because it's junk trivia. Also, get a link to your talk page in your signature, please. Seelentau 愛議 13:08, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know how and can I just do it by adding the    and also I don't see why the date of the chapter is junk trivia. Masashi thought it was important enough to add them in side notes and give the places names which means there not junk. Munchvtec 13:10, January 30, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec
 * Because you can write that in the article text itself. It's not what the trivia section exists for. The date, however, is not needed at all, because it's a "so what?" information. Who cares if it was Monday or Wednesday or Whateverday?
 * Do it like I did. Seelentau 愛議 13:13, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

So can I add it t the text of the articles though and also there is a lot of junk trivia on this wiki. Munchvtec 13:17, January 30, 2014 (UTC) Munchvtec
 * Find a way to incorporate it in the text. If there's no way, simply leave it out. As I said, it's "so what?" trivia, so it's not that important. Seelentau 愛議 13:20, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

Latest episodes
There's a new post at Pierrot's blog about the latest episodes. Any interesting tidbits there? There seem to be something about the development and name-picking of the two Akatsuki characters. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:43, January 30, 2014 (UTC)