Talk:Demonic Mirroring Ice Crystals

Amaterasu?
When Sasuke used standard Fire Release to attack Haku's mirrors, Haku said it would "take much more heat than that to melt this ice." Would Amaterasu or Blaze Release Techniques be able to melt these mirrors?--Dusk-sama (対談) 11:06, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * This isn't a forum. Yatanogarasu 11:13, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * doesn't mean you can't answer me.--Dusk-sama (対談) 22:49, June 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * But to answer would invite you or others to debate said answer, which would not improve the article. ~SnapperTo 02:35, June 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * then kindly direct me to a place where I can get my answer.--Dusk-sama (対談) 08:02, June 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * ~SnapperTo 17:09, June 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Please stop answering each other's comments in such a forum-like way, THIS IS NOT A FORUM. Perplathi (talk) 17:06, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

Latent Space/Time ability?
Have you guys ever thought of editing the article to add in an assumption of this ability being Space/Time related? What are your thoughts on this? I know a lot on this sight is strong assumption and the way the mirrors have been used imply there is a Space/Time aspect involved.

A good example is when Haku stops Kakashi from harming Zabuza, he is far away but creates a mirror next to them and then gets inside of it and jumps out to intercept the attack. If he could have gotten to where Kakashi and Zabuza were with just jumping, why did he create the mirror?

Another perfect example is when he creates a mirror in the air and somehow gets inside of it and then attacks Sai. It seems like wherever he creates a mirror, he can teleport, similar to Minato's Hiraishin and the required seal.

Just wondering what your thoughts are on this in regards to adding this tidbit of information to trivia.

fan151.198.113.207 (talk) 01:15, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Assumption? = No instantly. It was high-speed movement, not space—time ninjutsu.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 01:18, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Then what exactly is the point of having the mirrors? If it is just high speed movement, why did Haku need to get inside the mirror, then jump out to defend Zabuza? Wouldn't that be wasting time? I don't want to discuss this like a "forum", was just wondering what some of the mods/admins thought of this.fan151.198.113.207 (talk) 01:24, November 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Using the reflection of the mirrors allows Haku to move at literal light speed. —ShounenSuki (talk 01:41, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

So wouldn't that entice/imply a Space/Time aspect to the technique? If he is using the "reflection" of the mirror to instantly move to one spot to another, that isn't high speed movement(ie; his legs). He could have easily used "high speed movement" and jumped in the air and destroyed Sai's bird but he chose to do it with a mirror because it was much faster, IMO. Create a Mirror, teleport into it, attack. Same thing with Kakashi and Zabuza, if it was just high speed movement, he did not need the mirror at all to intercept Kakashi's attack, he could just use his feet. As I said, I don't want to discuss this like a forum, I just wanted to throw this idea out there so I will leave it at that. Thank you to anyone that takes the time out to read this though. Bye Fan151.198.113.207 (talk) 01:47, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

It's not a Space-Time technique. It's simply fast movement, that's it. @ShounenSuki Source? When did it say it allowed for light speed movement? The article does say that he gets slower over time, but shouldn't that be in there too? To close, Space-Time techniques are not high speed techniques, at all. They're not even speed due to the fact that they happen instantaneously, thus ignoring the time aspect. It's a reflection of light, which is speed based. Haku doesn't 'instantly' appear there, he would simply be there as fast as possible with speed. And how do you know if he could have gotten to Sai where he was? He was far too high up for him to reach by simply jumping. Skitts (talk) 03:18, November 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * @151.198.113.207: Space–time techniques literally bend space and time, allowing for instantaneous teleportation. Haku doesn't do this. He uses the reflections on his mirrors to achieve speeds as fast as that of light. He still has to traverse the distance between the mirrors, no matter how fast he does this. As long as he actually has to move between two places he uses speed, not space–time.
 * @Skitts: The source is the Makyō Hyōshō article from the first databook. It's in my list of translations. —ShounenSuki (talk 12:21, November 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * If I remember correctly, Sasuke was able to wound Haku in transit or maybe it was follow his movements. If it were a space-time technique, he wouldn't be able to do that without being a sensor. Even then his chakra would disappear and then reappear suddenly as in the fight (Tobi vs. Fū and Torune).Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 12:29, November 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ahh, this is all confusing. I don't really understand the reflection part of what ShounenSuki said and "speed" still does not answer why he needed a mirror to get to Zabuza when Kakashi was about to kill him. If it was just speed, what is the purpose of the mirror? Does the Databook explain in more detail the "reflection" aspect of the technique or is it just stated? It is kind of confusing but thank you guys for posting!! I'm gonna go read some Databook translations. As for Skitts, I do agree with you about the jumping part with Sai. Haku probably could not reach him just by jumping. That's where the mirror and how he got into comes in. If he can't reach Sai, how does he reach the mirror which is above him? Is it just the "reflection"? I am gonna go read this Databook entry lol.