Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33308438-20180614101055/@comment-30207214-20180626161623

It was performed in the manga and in the databook was it stated that there are just 2 ways of casting genjutsu, that is something I posted now plenty of times on here. You can cast genjutsu just through hand signs/seals or a special medium like the Sharingan. You are already using points that were already mentioned and proven wrong with even the reference provided. Check the third databook, it is page 301.
 * "lOL, it was performed in the manga and anime...so it's already canon which means it exist. I'm sure the Databook does not cover every single jutsu a user has, say Hashirama.his wood constructs can shape into anything, what if he made a wood dog? ;_; it's clearly a sharingan genjutsu and not the handsigns..itachi made it clear that he can cast non-eye contact genjutsu with the finger genjutsu being a proof....so why exactly is this surprising?"

Just is there a difference between Jonin like Kakashi and Hunter-Nin like Ao. Hunter-Nin are an equivalent to Konoha's Anbu and as we already know was Anbu Kakashi not really able to hand pick every single person of his squad. Let us not forget that you don't even know if Ao was back then the bodyguard of the Mizukage or not, this is like me assuming that Chojuro was it back then aswell, something that is due to his age pretty unlikely.
 * "And it was nowhere stated that he can't, Kakashi had the authority to hand pick anbu black ops to guard sasuke....AO had a more higher position in Kirigakure, with him being the mizukage's bodyguard, so i don't see why not.Besides if his sensory unit were fodders, why did he even bring up the whole itachi thing. ,-,"


 * "Nope, there are other versions:

The one that slaughtered the clan The one that fought Orochimaru The one that fought Kakashi The one that went to recruit Hidan The one that took down the 4th Mizukage" And we can scale just one of them and that is the one that fought Kirin Sasuke, since we never saw any of them in actual action. Let us not forget that he never really fought Orochimaru, but had him already in a genjutsu before the fought began and the recruitment of Hidan being 1 from the storm series and 2 a scenario where he doesn't fights.

It's the only vision of him we have seen and as long as that is the case is that the only one we can use in a healthy argumentation. You can't just pick a version of Itachi and then state that he is as strong or stronger as the Itachi we have seen fighting and that is why we can just consider that almost blind Itachi in a fight/vs discussion.
 * "The blurred vision was only made clear at the vs Sasuke battle there is no proof which suggests he had blurred vision even before on earlier matches ;_;"

I heard that Shisui used his Kotoamatsukami against Mukai and tbh as long as you can't really provide any reference or let's say some kind of translation or scans of the novel does that all you just posted there hold no weight. I was tbh looking for the novel before this discussion and couldn't find it, I was looking for this after your statement and could still not find it, which leaves me with this question... From where do you know that he didn't use his Kotoamatsukami?? Let us not forget that Shisui had to use the Kotoamatsukami so other people knew that he had that kind of power as this information wasn't unknown to the world and Shisui wouldn't have instantly became blind, his vision would have at first become worse...
 * "In the novel shisui explained that Mangekyou genjutsu is faster and more powerful as it injects more chakra into the victim....sadly i cant provide any proof atm. That hyuga pressured both Shisui and Itachi together and they couldn't win in any other way except for genjutsu....and to strengthen the earlier point, Itachi 3 tomoe failed to do it..but shisui's mangekyou did it..And what the hell why would he use Kotoamatsukami???? that would leave him blind, and it was not stated as Kotoamatsukami either"

I wasn't hinting that at all, I was basing the whole comment and argument on the fact that it would have lied within Kabuto's capabilities to save Orochimaru.
 * "By saying i was overestimating itachi when we talking abt kabuto you were kinda hinting that."

Scared? He was actually trying to act under the radar so the raid will be successful, more fuss would have meant that Konoha would have been more wary, which would have meant an appointment of more guards throughout the chunin exam or even the village and that would have destroyed the plans of the raid. He held by fleeing the results of the incoming investigations at the very minimum and that was the best choice Kabuto could have done.
 * "LOLLLLLL or he was just scared? Kakashi was comfortable in fighting in a hospital. It was clear that he was trying to run away. He tried to take Sasuke as hostage, that's proof that he was scared bish ;_O"

Let us not forget what it means to fight an opponent who is at a similar level as you. Everything could happen, which would mean no guaranteed win. Why should Kabuto have entered a fight, where he wouldn't have known who the winner is? and he used already chakra up to beat those 5 Anbu's.

Wait... what did the "character" say? I am not really fashioning anything, I am actually using the chapters and data books as reference, while you aren't. Yes, Obito recruited Itachi and knowingly him being a spy. The distrust was still there and they were planning to simply using him, yet did he still have to earn his trust towards the people otherwise would Nagato/the Akatsuki just have killed him and it would have meant the end for Itachi. Him letting Orochimaru go could have been interpreted as multiple things that wouldn't be in favor for Itachi. Orochimaru had intel about Akatsuki, betrayed them and still runs free around. They even could have thought of Orochimaru being a spy for Konoha too and that Itachi "let" him go so he could give valuable intel to Konoha. The choices that Itachi had... as I stated already again x times, to kill Orochimaru to bring him to Akatsuki. He was a possible threat for Itachi and his plans too, so "Itachi letting him move OR go" what side is now fashioning things their own favor? You should probably read the whole discussion or all my posts. References were provided. There is no fashioning or alterations of facts. Check the stated chapters and pages of databooks I provided.
 * "OMG..now you're denying what the character (who is kishimoto btw) says. Itachi said it..let's just leave it at that and stop fashioning things our own way. Obito himself recruited itachi, and Obito commands pein..so he's kinda already trusted. Everyone knew how Orochimaru stays, and beside no one was there, only Itachi and Orochimaru (kabuto), no other Akatsuki member so in other words they took Itachi's word when he probably told them that orochimaru left the organisation for so and so reason."

The argumentations are off or were already included into the arguments of Minato winning... Let us not even forget about people simply reading one half of a whole argumentation and then show it as something that wasn't even stated in the first place. Let's chill a bit and decently read everyone's posts without interpreting a hint into a comment that wasn't even hinted or stated at all.