Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31099706-20170409163202/@comment-4961229-20170504143947

@Rachin123 I really don't see how you can argue that Naruto's not smart enough to pump fake people with clones or himself in the middle of a fight. He did it multiple times against so many parties: Zabuza (Shuriken), Neji (underground), Deidara (in forest), Pain (Rasenshuriken, in the air, in rubble), Obito (in Son Goku), Obito (Kyuubi Cloak Hands), Kaguya (in the air), Sasuke (underground). There might even be others I can't recall. He does this constantly. So I really can't see how you can make this argument in light of the evidence stacked against you. Rachin123 wrote: @XShady

More like Naruto is outmatched. Naruto hardly uses the summoning technique anyway, only ever using it when other giant summonings appear, but by the time he gets ready to use it, he'd be sucked up. More like Danzou without Shisui's Sharingan can't match Naruto at this point in the story. With it, though, it's another story, but then it would've also have been another story for Sasuke, as he has no defense against Koto.

There were no giant summons around when he summoned Gamahiro in chapter 545. So he has used this tactic before.

Rachin123 wrote: @Lorenzo Von MT So now we are using movie feats now? But, anyways, I don't see how Baku's suction will create debris, nor summoning Gamabunta. Plenty of debris was created when he summoned Gamahiro in chapter 545 for a Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique. So this is actually an option. However, a clone would quite easily be capable of creating debris should he need to.

Rachin123 wrote: Sasuke only barely dodged 2 of Danzo wind attacks and they were not the ones I was talking about either. Sasuke was in Susanoo nearly the whole battle. The only close quarter combat attacks that Sasuke had trouble with were when he was facing away from Danzou's attack and Karin had to shout "Behind you!" and where he dodged Danzou's wind jutsu quite easily, over committed to an attack, due to overconfidence, and couldn't dodge Danzou's throat strike, because he was airborne when Danzou hit his throat with his juuinjutsu. He also got hit with the wind blade at the end, but that was the finishing move that they both had already committed to. If you're talking about other attacks, you'll have to be more specific. Rachin123 wrote: You are assuming Naruto would summon Gamabunta mid air. Given how Naruto is, he'd try to creating shadow clones way before thinking to summon Gamabunta in hopes of overstuffing Baku. Also, I know Danzo's technique was able to tear open Susanoo's back because of Baku, and... Over stuffing the baku is a valid counter. However, if he's in sage mode the number of clones are limited. Bad news for the baku. Naruto doesn't have to summon anybody. He's a summons killer all by himself when in sage mode. If he gets sucked into Danzou's tapir, instead of giving it a belly ache, he kills the baku on the way in or afterwards from the inside. If Danzou attacks him, as he's being sucked in, a clone meets Danzou's attack with an Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan. And he then takes out the baku with another Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan or a food cart destroyer like when he summoned Gamahiro. He has any number of ways to take out the baku.

Rachin123 wrote: Danzo was capable of creating a tree, it's safe to say that he can utilize Wood Release to a decent extent, which is more than helpful. Danzou needed Hashirama's cells to amplify his physical energy enough to be able to control all those Sharingans, as was specifically stated by Obito. Any usage of Mokuton for anything else hurts his chakra reserves, as indicated by Karin. In fact, she says his chakra "plummeted" after using mokuton, just as it "plummeted" after each eye closed, during Izanagi. It stands to reason, Danzou can either use Izanagi or Mokuton, but not both. He clearly chose to use Izanagi, because he's shown far more adeptness with that jutsu than he did Mokuton. Therefore, it's safe to say Danzou cannot utilize Wood Release to a decent extent, except as a last resort to prevent his impending death. Doing otherwise would only hasten his demise. In fact, Danzou corroborates this point of view when he says, "I have no choice" right before he used it. He clearly didn't want to but had no other means of avoiding the attack. Rachin123 wrote: By the time Naruto tries to break through the cursed seal, Danzo would have slashed his head off. This isn't going to be talk to give Naruto more time thing like he did with Sasuke. Sorry, but the curse seal actually helps Naruto. It prevents him from moving, and therefore automatically allows him to gather natural energy, just as Preta Path's immobilization did. The curse seal is broken by ramping up the chakra as we saw Sasuke's chakra increase and break the seal. We know this because Obito stated Sasuke's hatred gave him power, his body responded to this power, and he broke the curse. Naruto gathers natural energy; he breaks the cursed seal. Alternatively, Danzou has a penchant for talking shit while he's trying to murder you, instead of just murdering you. He'd clearly be talking shit to Naruto about Sasuke, which is bound to piss Naruto off. His Kyuubi chakra could synchronize "splendidly" with his sage mode in such a situation, just as it did with Nagato. The seal is broken, Danzou catches a foot to the face, which he might barely block like God Realm. Either way, Juuinjutsu ain't something Danzou should rely on if he hopes to actually win.