Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-34115-20150626061048/@comment-1251315-20150626082818

I find this an interesting discussion. However, I'll point out that a lot of the supposed complaints are incorrect. I've never abused my rights: users who have been blocked, chat banned, kicked or warned have all been warned for legitimate reasons and I always asked WindStar7125 (where possible) to confirm that I had done the right thing.

The insinuation that I am "fixated on user rights" is nonsense: I am simply of the mindset that, if a user becomes inactive for an extended period of time, the user rights they had should temporarily be revoked, until they become more active. Considering how many rights that a rollback user has, and the fact it's a viral group, it's better that the rollback group in particular be populated only with active users, rather than being left to build up with inactive users who don't plan on returning.

Several incidents in the past are in the past: they should stay there. Some such incidents were started based on issues happening at the time and are unlikely to be repeated. Things of that nature occur. Let's not forget the issues where other users were trolling me and getting away with it...

There has been no users who have hinted they will not use chat or forums just because I'm a forum operator. Such a thing is ludicrous and if I'm really that bad of a person, then I don't know why I'm still here or why I seem to care more for this wiki and how it does. If there are users who will not use chat/forums due to me, then I'd like to hear from them and find out what I should be doing differently to get them to use chat/forums more regularly. I should point out that people make this claim everywhere on the internet and it's done to discredit the user: they hardly ever have evidence to prove they are right. If they somehow have evidence, it tends to end up being doctored to put the other party in a bad light on purpose.

The funny part is that someone already indicated they have no issues with me having rights, yet I can't go overboard. Such hypocrisy: you complain when I'm not kicking/banning every person who just marginally violates chat policy, yet you don't like that I'm not kicking/banning every person who just marginally violates the policy. So what's it to be? Am I not allowed to be a chill user who uses his tools as and when they're needed?

The people suggesting I don't know what my level of rights are seem to be mistaken: I know exactly what my rights are, when I'm to use them and so on.

I'll just watch this thread to see what kind of reasoning comes up. It is interesting how I'm the only one who is being discussed in this way: I haven't yet seen discussions like this for any other user who has behaved inappropriately. I can think of at least one user who should be discussed in this manner for similar reasoning...

Snapper2 wrote: He's tried to convince me here (my responses to which are here) that he with his moderator powers and I with my sysop powers can do whatever we want with them and nobody can criticize us for it Which is correct, if the user intends to complain to Wikia. Wikia doesn't get involved in local issues and lets admins do whatever they want, within reason (you would be forcibly demoted if you were censoring people's opinions with blocks or only considering your own opinion).

You have, at several points in the last few months, tried to suggest to users that only your own opinion matters in some things, even going as far as to make a wiki wide change without a consensus, before you got pulled up on it by the community. So I would be very careful about trying to suggest other users follow your path, when you seem to do the opposite from time to time.

Snapper2 wrote: (Bizarrely, he also complains when sysops, or at least myself, don't take forum-related actions.) That's nonsense. I only got annoyed when sysops weren't doing anything before Forum Operators came into being. Since we have forum operators, there is very little need for a sysop to become involved at all, because -- by definition -- the forum operators are able to handle them and operate the forums. Surely I don't need to remind you why forum operators came into being in the first place?