Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34277398-20190315034807/@comment-9782468-20190409214355

@Jo-Smooth Full Gyuuki isn't as strong as half Kurama. Minato could fight full Kurama.

Minato wasn't exactly trying super hard in his first encounter with Ay, because Konoha was signalling all forces to pull back. He only reacted to Ay attacking him.

Ay came up with a counter attack that didn't work, and couldn't hit Minato at his fastest.

Ay admitted that Minato was still faster than himself even as he fought NTCM Naruto. He said that he was only the fastest Shinobi because Minato was dead.

Again, Gyuuki is impressive, but Minato vs full Kurama was a draw, and half of Kurama is stronger than Gyuuki. So using Ay vs Gyuuki isn't showing that Ay>Minato.

Ay's fastest punch hasn't changed speed from his fight against Minato. He tells Naruto "You're only the second to ever dodge this punch." The first is Minato. So they both dodged the same signature punch from Ay.

Minato already dodged Ay at his fastest, so anything less wouldn't hit him without subterfuge, which is not Ay's style.

There's no indication that Minato or Ay became significantly stronger or faster since their first skirmish. Did they improve? Probably. Is it a huge significant boost? No indication.