Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150530210611/@comment-5273810-20150531032954

Riptide240 wrote: Obito is not greater than the 9 tails in power he used genjutsu to control it. Also, he wasn't greater than Minato either. Minato shit stomped him and was smart enough to figure out Kamui. Also, when he gave his MS to Kakashi, he also enhanced their power with Six Paths Chakra, as said by Kakashi himself.

Obito is the very definition of greater than the 9 tails even at that young age. As you noted he controlled the 9 tails with genjutsu. To be able to control something completely is the very definition of greater as he completely dominated the 9 tails with Genjutsu. If you're going to discount this then you might as well discount Itachi entirely as his power is primarily from Genjutsu. He might not be equivalent in power in every area with the 9 tails(such as scale of destructive power in Ninjutsu) but to completely control something as I just noted is the very definition of superior.

Also onto the 4th Hokage, while Obito lost the fight against the 4th Hokage this was more a thing on Obito "letting his guard down"(as he himself noted) around Minato and not a inherent superiority of the 4th Hokage. Lord 4th even noted his transportation ability was better than his and Lord 2nd's which in and of itself proves my point.

To be superior in power does not mean you will win. I mean if we believed that then Superman is weaker than Batman in the DC Universe because Batman always has Kryptonite. This is even truer in the Naruto Universe where Hidan lost to Shikamaru because Shikamaru used his head to win him the fight.

Also I'd like to quickly note Obito was really new at all this and didn't have the intelligence that made him so formidable latter on in life. With the intelligence he had when we first met him, the 4th Hokage would have lost but that is another matter.

Obito and Madara both tend to get reckless and overconfident against opponents they know they should win against(Obito did this twice first against the 4th Hokage and again against Konan) and unless they have something unexpected to overcome it(like Madara having Rinnegan when Naruto threw Windstyle RasenShuriken) they tend to get beaten.

As for your last point with the So6P chakra you are right that was involved but simultaneously it only boosted the raw power output to help fight someone like Kaguya and Madara and is still a pretty good albeit rough estimation of the overall power he should have. He should still be able with both eyes to teleport and attack simultaneously, get a Susanoo, teleport ranged attacks to targets before they can dodge it etc.