Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180716193648/@comment-33286580-20180717194245

Vladosaurus wrote: Kakashi might have been a Jonin during the war, but he had no where near the mentality of a real Jonin. At times he was kid Naruto-like reckless. He tried to take enemies on with chidori despite knowing that he can`t handle things. And also, at that time even fodders like pre-sharingan Obito or Rin (which was absolutely garbage) were chunins. So ranks are meaningless.

Also, not sure about the whole sharingan experience thing as well.By the time of VOTE1 Sasuke had sharingan for a while. Not to mention that he is an original wielder, doesn`t get his chakra drained a lot like in Kakashi`s case and he also has 2 sharingans. And c`mon, i remember a scene where Naruto tried to punch Sasuke (before he even activated stage one) and Sasuke didn`t even feel anything.Naruto couldn`t even move him... 3 Tomoe Sasuke was reaction to Kurama amped Naruto, who had both ridiculous speed and strength. Also, Sasuke`s chidori is stronger than Kakashi`s. Sasuke has better taijutsu feats as well: better power, better speed, better reaction. Didn`t he also react to attack at the speed of sound when he awakened CM1 during the chunin exams with like do difficulty? His tanking abilities are also off the charts. He was taking some incredible hit from Naruto and could still fight no problem. And honestly, kid anbu Kakashi is no Kurama-amped Naruto. I`m sorry, but these are totally different leagues.

Sasuke takes this. To be honest, a better much up would be chunin exam (no curse mark) Sasuke vs post-war Kakashi. Just my opinion.

Kakashi in the war period was not Chunin like others. he was a Jonin. so it was probably well deserved, but still can be debated about his mentality and all.

but this Kakashi is the one who later went on into the ANBU, so he certainly has the mentality of a Jonin level shinobi.

the Chakra drain on Kakashi is really inconsistent. the only time he was shown to have his chakra drained was during his fight with Zabuza. no other time did Sharingan put a toll on him. even in Gaiden, when he first recieved the eye, he effectively used it against multiple opponents and kept fighting for Minato to arrive as a back up.

on Chakra, as i said before, Kid Sasuke could only do 2 Chidori at best and + 1 in CS1 in a full day, while in Gaiden Kakashi used Chidori 3 times so Kakashi really has more Chakra. remember that mind awakening pill and the black fog barrier boosted Sasuke before VOTE1 and later in Shippuden it was speciafically stated that Orochimaru had done countless experiments on him to aid in Sasuke's growth. so Sasuke's natural chakra isnt that much.

Again, Kyubified Naruto from VOTE1 was not fast as even 1 Gate Lee. while Kakashi had a rivalry with Gai who could use the Gates since young age.

no where is it said that part1 Sasuke's Chidori is better. in part2. yes. Sasuke got hell a lot of buffs, but in part 1 his Chidori could not even compare to Kakashi.

Sasuke doesnot have any better feats of strength, speed or reaction time than Kakashi. Kakashi had a rivalry with Gate Gai. he invented CHidori which required similar speed as Sasuke to execute. they both have three tomoe Sharingan.

Sasuke did get a couple of hits on SOund 4, but he was so badly thrashed by them. SOund 4 guys wihtout their CS2 forms are fodder ninja. they were defeated by other Konoha genin. the only reason they got a hit on the Jonin were because the Jonin were tired after they were returning from the mission and the Jonin did not see something like CS2 coming.

And turns out according to OP this is Sasuke befoe VOTE1 so he doesnt have the massive boost because of the pills and black fog. in this state he could barely use CS1. he got all paralyzed just using it.

this actually becomes much easier for Kakashi to pick on him