Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36366948-20200805112208/@comment-3523655-20200811074736

Sidd77 wrote: Especially people like Chōjurō and Kurotsuchi, who are only high Jonin level to me.

Sidd77 wrote: idk, their powersets seem so boring. The only thing that makes Chojuro even remotely good is Hiramekarei, and without it he's nothing special (...) In my opinion there are stronger shinobi in Iwa, and in Kiri Chojuro is literally just a placeholder until Kagura becomes of age.

Sidd77 wrote: I say that because they don't meet my *personal* qualifications. (...) I just gave my own reasons for why I don't see them as kage level. (...) I'm cool if you think that they're kage level lol. All of us have different views on what a kage should be.

Sidd77 wrote: Jeez. Can I not have opinions without it being called gatekeeping? Like I said, you and I have different definitions of what makes a shinobi kage level.

Yeah, but you're making statements, and then backing it up by saying it's your opinion, so nobody should contradict you on it.

If I say that "Kiba is Rikudou Madara-level to me", whether or not it's my opinion, it's wrong. Plain and simple.

If I say that "Konohamaru age 9 was waaaay stronger than Ebisu because he K.O.'d him with a Sexy no Jutsu" but hey, that's just my opinion, then this statement is wrong, regardless of whether or not it's my opinion. I can keep having it, sure, but I'll basically be lying to myself, because there's plenty of evidence proving Ebisu was stronger than a 9-year-old Konohamaru. Rational thinking, for one.

The first comment you made on this thread was about "I'm having problems determining Kinshiki's level because he takes on Sasuke then gets his ass kicked by Chojuro and Kurotsuchi who I refuse to believe are Kage-level".

They are. Wanna know how they are? Because they, in your words, 'shat on Kinshiki'. If they weren't, they wouldn't have been able to. Now whether or not you think that's BS screenwriting is one thing. That's where opinion comes in.

But when you're asking how strong Kinshiki is according to lore, then choose to ignore lore about Chojuro, then it's hypocritical.

I mean, what do you expect people to say?

You've already made up your mind about it being BS, but clearly the problem isn't "Kinshiki's power-level being inconsistent", because it isn't. Kinshiki struggling against two Kage-level fighters who have intel on how Otsutsuki generally function seems logical to me.

The problem is you not liking the result and wanting to hear someone else agreeing with you. Tough luck, you're not getting the echo-chamber you were hoping for.

There's no "my requirements, your requirements" for who becomes Hokage. It's lore. There's specific criteria to what makes a shinobi Kage-level, beyond the ones you yourself like to consider.

You wanna know who'd win between Nagato and Kinshiki, but then we shouldn't consider certain factors that help determine the latter's level because it doesn't fit with your headcanon? Really?