Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-35036470-20180318150434/@comment-27924662-20180321181048

HeroOfSacrifice wrote: ^ Guy blitzed Madara with the 5th Gate, boosted by Kurama's V1 cloak. Which made him at least 3 times stronger, likely more. And the seventh gate is far faster than the fifth gate.

And Madara had the rinnegan and it's abilities, yet he didn't use ST to push them away, or maybe he couldn't.

and what about the five second interval. They could hit it if they tried. Gaara's sand is faster than shinra tensei

You underestimate the AoE of the blast. It way, but way bigger than the enviroment they would be fighting.

6 o clock or farther, the blast will hit him unless Animal goes incredibly far from Gai. But he has no reason to, he had no reason to do it with Jiraiya. He will have less reasons to do it with an unknown ninja. Nagato's Levitation sent him incredibly high above Konoha very quick. And Nagato was shown moving in the same panel Naruto appeared. Also, Nagato was shown to appear falling. How can the Chameleon throw a cripple man that can barely walk so fast? Nagato would've just crashed badly. We could say Jiraiya defeated it off-panel if the situation changed. But it didn't. The dog attacked, the Frog hit the dog with it's weapon and was sent flying back, then the bird appeared and interupted him, hitting the frog and then Animal summoned a bull. The dog? Never to be seen again and it wasn't off panel. There was no toad goud or anything of the sort. Are you saying that Shima can send her tongue incredible distance faster than a summon that can outrun Shinra Tensei's blast before said summon could do something? The same Shima and Fukusaku that were fodderized by Deva Path, and one of them was even helpless against the slower Bansho Ten'nin? Gai used Hirudora against Kisame and the blast covered Gai, too and was he fine. At best, what AT would do is break Gai's rib, like it did when Madara counter him. But that didn't stop Gai from using the 8th gate. Therefore won't stop him here either. Morning peacock is instantly a massive AoE of fire potent enough to overpower a Bijuu's acid.

The Animal Path is not taking that. And MP is not taking much off Gai's. None of the Firepower is gonna help Guy against that Dog. Heck that Dog easily tanks BB Rasenshuriken from KCM Naruto and increases his number. I don't know why you are brining feats from the war when it's clear as day that Guy cannot replicate those feats. Guy is power right now is somewhere between getting exhausted after 6th gate Asakujaku(think ofstart of shippuden, Guy facing 30% Kisame clone) and using the 7th gate Hirudora (Naruto's training under Bee) and slumping out. If you don't realize the fact that enormous back-up is needed while facing this foe and Nagato should be tired before Any Team can make lasting impact.