Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32369776-20170706150024/@comment-30426414-20170717062316

Ninjachris wrote: @Lorenzo VonMT You were trying to imply that you always said Madara was stronger I was reminding that you actually said the opposite and for someone who is big on manga facts you should have known better. Now we can move on.

Like I said before, I owned up when I was wrong. I never claimed to say something I didn't.

Ninjachris wrote: Shin impaling naruto with sasuke's sword is manga facts, so I guess that means he could use that same doujutsu again to defeat naruto right?

If Naruto lets his guard down again then yes. This isn't the same situation because Madara was completely alert the second time but ameno still got him.

Ninjachris wrote: Now imagine him having Madara eyes (rinnegan) being transplanted into him, he would be stronger than any version of naruto and sasuke despite them both receiving chakra from hag himself.

No no, sorry dude. Hashirama would still be weaker than both Naruto and Sasuke. The rinnegan just gives him a bunch of new abilities that both Naruto and Sasuke have counters for. If Hashirama received six paths chakra, then he would be stronger, but the rinnegan alone does not make up the difference.

Ninjachris wrote: The first time sasuke impaled Madara he had no clue of his rinnegan abilities.

Ok, please tell me how that is any different from this hypothetical battle? The OP didn't specify that they have knowledge of each other, are you just assuming that they do?

Ninjachris wrote: The second he was going to retrieve his eyes

He got hit before he escaped to retrieve the eye.

Ninjachris wrote: Madara tanked a lot more than a simple sword piercing from sasuke and survived whilst on the other hand the first time Madara impaled sasuke he died.

That's because he didn't take any damage to his vital organs and Hashirama's regeneration was healing all the other damage he took. But Hashi's regen can't grow back organs because Obito also had Hashirama's regeneration and his heart didn't grow back when Kakashi impaled it until he got the Ten tails regeneration. So yeah a sword to the heart or better yet, an ameno chidori to the heart would end Madara.

Ninjachris wrote: I truly believe we both are looking at different panels because I see a immobilized hashirama and a immobilized Madara

We seem to be looking at different panels indeed. Hashirama wasn't completely immobilized because he could still jump around. Whereas Madara couldn't move at all as stated by Hashirama and as shown when he couldn't move to avoid Naruto's rasenshuriken. We see Hashirama moving again and Madara is still completely immobilized as stated by Hashirama. If edo's could not regenerate, you realize Hashirama could just walk up to Madara and slit his throat right?

Ninjachris wrote: Madara is revived and freed and where was hashirama or yes still pinned down still immobilized why wasn't he casting Justus when Madara was revived why wasn't he assisting naruto and sasuke???

We are comparing their edo versions, there's no point in bringing up alive Madara.After Madara got revived, Hashirama stated that he couldn't move, and he [stated couldn't knead chakra] anymore so the rods took some time to take effect. But before they took effect, he clearly had enough time to jump around and cast the gate of God on Madara. Which means he beat edo Madara and it wasn't a stalemate.

Anyways this Hashirama vs Madara argument has been pointless because I was reading through the manga and found this interesting piece of information. Madara states: "So this is six paths power". Which means, he has never experienced it before. Which also means that rinnegan Madara didn't have it. Sasuke also refers to the power he got from Hagoromo as six paths power. I've been calling it six paths chakra but the official term is six paths power. Therefore, that's official proof that whatever chakra Madara got from using Hashirama's DNA is not the same as six paths power. Rinnegan Madara not having this puts him at a disadvantage against Sasuke who does have it.

To remind you how much of a difference six paths power makes, it enabled a mere chidori to destroy half a meteorite in the last. So there you go, more evidence supporting Sasuke's victory.