Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180330212821/@comment-33308438-20180401130320

Vladosaurus wrote: @Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam Only the fact that you said that Hokage Naruto is nothing more of a thread that a kitten proves that either a) You have no idea what you're talking about or b) You are a troll and this is just wasting my time.

Ok, let's start with the beginning. First of all, "the invisible bird" is a Chameleon, and Ma (who is also using Toad Sage Mode) already sensed it out when Jiraiya was fighting pain. Naruto is using Sage Mode here, not KCM. So if Ma could sense it, what makes you think that SM Naruto can't? Also Bansho Tenin and Shinra tensei can be countered with shadow clones, as Naruto (A much weaker version of Naruto actually) already proved. You can't even dodge Bansho Tennin.

Naruto also while he was in Sage Mode during the Pain fight as a teen couldn't use many Shadow Clones because it would disrupt the shadow clones who where absorbing NY. As Hokage, Naruto doesn't have this problem. He can use as many shadow clones as he wants. Pain doesn't have the numbers game advantage anymore. A Naruto Sage Mode shadow clone catched the Third Raikage as a teen, when he was much weaker. Keep that in mind. Even if Naruto sends just one shadow clone for each Path of pain, the tables are severely turn. Beside the Deva Path, the other Paths have no chance against a Hokage Naruto shadow clone. Preta Path couldn't absorb Naruto's shadow clone when they fought, so that also fails for Pain.

Oh, and just so you realize how tough Naruto shadow clones are now, a Naruto Shadow Clone tanked a chidori from Sasuke, and that was after Naruto was blown away by the Indra Arraw vs Dual Rasenshuriken impact. So a shadow clone from a tired as hell Naruto tanked a chidori.And again, as Hokage, the shadow clones are much more powerful.

And the last thing, unlike their original battle, Naruto doesn't have the fire power problem. As a teen, he was restricted to 2 rasenshurikens per Sage Mode use. In The Last (again, another version of Naruto which is weaker that Hokage Naruto), he made 2 rasenshurikens back 2 back without breaking a sweat, in Base. And he can guide them, expand them, and detonate them at will. He also can pretty much create an army of rasengans as he did vs Madara in base, again, when he was much weaker. So again, you saying that Naruto is no thread without Kurama or Six Paths pretty much shows why your arguments are a joke and why nobody bothers to take you seriously. Shadow clones have equal physical stats as caster though.Concede on the rest.His durability would allow him survive the attacks but I do not think it will be easy considering even Hashirama can be killed with a kunai as he proved himself and someone like Karin who destroyed a stone pillar by clashing was permeated by chidori spear.So yeah Pain has a chance of winning which is spamming asura missiles 360 which can wreck buildings with effortless force and believed bee can be atomized considering he was about to shoot the cannon towards bee someone who tanked V1 A lariat.Shadow clones can be absorbed,the reason why petra did not absorb is because it was a transformation technique.Well if Ma can sense the chameleon then there is not much difficulty but his senjutsu is a known factor here considering how preta effortlessly absorbed goemon,RS,KCM Rasengan etc.If by chance his ammasive durability resists permeation of missiles and Gedo black Rods,then Naruto fucking wins.