Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30112523-20170118130051/@comment-30168130-20170124035000

he used limbo, which is almost kinda like tsukuyomi or amaterasu in my point of view- both are limited to only a select few of 2 people that are able to counter it. limbo is invisible to the naked eye (besides sasuke's rinne), and only 1 ninja has been shown to sense it. bijuu aren't part of those 2. that madara had sm as well. the same sm that defeated him years earlier. that must account to something obviously. that means that his limbo clones had rinne and sm as well. for all we know, the clone he used to them out could've been using a susanoo or something like that. and Naruto didn't get a direct hit from him either, even thought he was in sm himself. that means that physically, madara with sm> Naruto sm< bijuu.. see my point? although, km Naruto got madara from behind, even though he had senjutsu enhanced susanoo. that, imo, contradicts some of his feats in a way. imo, at the end, puts one rinne sm madara pre-ttj at around kinshiki/nagato lvl... so that puts ksm Naruto higher than kinshiki, which I know someone is gonna yell about at me later.. guy wanst knocking him around either (ttj madara). he had help at one point, and without that help, he could've died pretty early in the battle. he only got the real upper hand, after he land the first 2 sekizo on madara. I still like to debate about madara not dodging night guy, but that is for another thread... getting somewhere else, naruto/sasuke fusion that fought vs obito was losing until obito lost his will. obito with will> naruto/sasuke fusion = madara ttj one rinne> might guy> obito... (this part inst worth reading. I just put it out there as little reference guide). nagato was beating bijuu with two rinne that weren't his own, while he didn't have sm, and using pains. not that much of feat, since nagato already did it. so ttj madara with rinne/sm was like nagato if he had the power of the bijuu to himself.. I do think guy could beat that latter nagato, but not madara, who has way more 'everything' than nagato.. this is really long.