Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26107879-20181004003653/@comment-6769189-20181118102743

LoneNinja wrote: @Legion

1) I didn't say Kakashi said anything. I merely said it's only one of many possibilities of what he was referring too. "Even if there are a lot of enemies, this jutsu can do it in an instant, its the same as your nickname... "

"It doesnt matter how many enemies there are, this'll end it in a flash. Its the same as your nickname"

Official anime dub: "no matter how many of them there are, i can take them down in an instant with this jutsu. Its exactly like your nickname sensei..."

Every single translation Kakashi calls Chidori fast and says its able to take down a large number of enemies in a short period of time and then he even goes so far as to compare it to Minato's nickname. A nickname he recieved for being so fast, not because he has "fast thrusts" or short "time to kill" whatever that means.

What Kishimoto wrote cannot be interpereted any other way and trying to find another meaning is denial/deflection considering the direct parralels he makes between Chidori's attributes and Minato

LoneNinja wrote:

2) Not if he is doing it in that way. He performed it with such ease that it was portrayed like child's play. Ease? Like the 17 shadow clones that failed before him?

He did it with such ease that he was nervous and sweating?

By the time he finished yelling the whole dodge and everything took place

Compare this to the 3rd aikage in the 1st half of 554 if you want to see what it looks like to dodge something with ease

3) Timing? So let me get this straight. Kakashi runs full speed and gets within five feet. This fodder character sees him. Yells. Slashes. All because of timing? No. Timing would of been him seeing Kakashi ran from afar and as Kakashi approached from afar, began his slash. But he waited until the last moment and yelled then slashed. That isn't timing, that's showcasing that he could move just as fast if not faster therefore proving Kakashi just wasn't fast enough. Don't matter what he seen prior. He waited until Kakashi was within striking distance before he moved a single centimeter. Kakashi had every advantage. He had all the momentum. He failed. So jonin level ninja are fodder? I guess Kakashi is more fodder than the rock dude considering Kakashi is a fresh jonin.

Watching someone charge from far away after having studied them for a while and getting an understanding of how fast they are is an advantage for Kakashi? Having tunnel vision and not being able to see anything less than a foot out of direct line of sight is an advantage for Kakashi?

I also want to know how you can tell when he moved considering the ONLY frame with them together has Minato already pulling Kakashi back in the opposite direction he was running and the swing was already finished. For all you know he was yelling and dodging at the same time.

Considering none of the 17 rock JONIN's shadow clones could reflexively dodge close range that means the original had to time it properly from a distance in order to land his strike

LoneNinja wrote:

4) I don't care for theories especially when they are hard to even grasp. Run slower? So pre-Sharingan and post Sharingan Kakashi would rather not use one of his most destructive jutsu because he refuses to move at a speed in which he can be aware of his surroundings? Thats like saying Naruto would refuse to use the Rasenshuriken unless he uses it the way he did against Kakuzu even though it will sever the chakra network in his hand. LoneNinja wrote:

Running fast and straightforward gives Chidori it's best possible damage. Thats not true.

LoneNinja wrote:

Why can't Kakashi just use it standstill like Sasuke? He can. And he has.

LoneNinja wrote:

Why couldn't he just use the derivations? Obviously Kakashi didn't want to. He didnt develop them. He hasnt seen them.

LoneNinja wrote:

If the user doesn't run straightforward at such speeds, what good is it? If people could react and counter before, what stops them from going the extra mile? Its actually plenty good considering it has the same destructive capacity when used while stationary. With the added benefit of seeing the opponants counters and being able to react to those counters properly. Its execution wpwould be exactly the same as the Rasengan

Also, none of its destructive force was ever attributed to its speed

LoneNinja wrote:

Also the only thing that makes it incomplete is the fact people can react to it. If a technique moved so fast that it hit 99% of the Shinobi population faster than they can react even if the user could not see as it was transpiring, there still wouldn't be a problem because it still hit it's Ch 240 p14: "Because the speed of your movements are so fast, you can't see the opponants counter. Because of that, its an incomplete jutsu"

The inability to see a counter makes it incomplete. Not that its easy to dodge.

LoneNinja wrote:

5) Key word. Block. If Sasuke dodged, he'd be faster. If he got hit, he'd be slower. But he blocked which showcases even speed. There's no way you're going to convince me they weren't near even in that fight when the Manga literally portrays it. Reaction time=/=running speed

LoneNinja wrote:

6) I'm actually glad you brought that up. Naruto in his tired state, brink of collapsing, was able to uppercut Sasuke, who was already in momentum with his hand inches from Naruto's face, yet the propulsion couldn't beat Naruto's hand out that moved last second? The mere fact Sasuke could even use Chidori in that state proves there's no propulsion factor. He'd be dragged all across the valley, lol. Also he wouldn't be able to hold Chidori facing to his left while in air heading straight. If Chidori has a propulsion, it would pull him to his left and downwards and he wouldn't be able to resist cause he's in mid air, lol. They werent as exhausted as you are making them out to be. Naruto literally punched Sasuke dozens of feet into a mountain, leaving a crater, and Sasuke had enough stamina to muster another Chidori, Amaterasu, and hold MS through out the entire last clash.

Ninja Of War wrote: LegionZero wrote: @Ninja of War: The momentum/force/speed of the lightning. Again, how does it affect movement speed? It either pushes/pulls the user. Since no matter how fast a user seems to be or get they still have tunnel vision while using it so it seems to be addative