Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-35971603-20181130042604

CombatIQmatters wrote: @Duvlee

I took in orochimaru's new abilities into account, but his enhancements don't change the outcome. Because of Sage Mode Kabuto, itachi has seen everything new orochimaru has to offer and because he isn't restricted in this fight from going for the kill from the get go, there is nothing orochimaru can do. Anything else orochimaru has up his sleeve is something itachi can defend against with his superior defenses in susano'o.

Furthermore, Orochimaru was completely fresh when he emerged from his 8 headed snake head, and itachi was literally on his last legs, sick, and dying, and exhausted from fighting sasuke and stuff, and Itachi defeated him with ease.

Sage mode kabuto was literally stunned by itachi's baby matagama (not the bijuu dama sized ones if I might add) to the point kabuto couldn't react to sasuke's arrow, the same arrow kabuto showed' he can dodge without any issue beforehand.

Furthermore, even in sage mode kabuto cannot track itachi's clone formations/substitutions or whatever it is itachi does, so I have no reason to believe that when itachi steals iniative, orochimaru will be able to sense it. Itachi literally did the same thing to kakashi and kakashi didn't notice a thing.

It's a one sided argument to claim that orochimaru knows what itachi can do when the vice versa is also true. The totsuka blade downplay doesn't change that neither orochimaru or nagato could react to it despite looking right at it.

Itachi's fighting style is to end the fight before it begins, and to take initiative and keep it while utilizing diversions. Orochimaru casts his seal and summons his edo tensei. Itachi knows what orochimaru is up to and he then has initiative to take an action. Itachi has superior handseal speed, plus susano'o forms practically instantly as far as these opponents are concerned. So Itachi throws his bijuu dama size yakasa matagama at them. Regardless of how they react to it, it will create a sizeable smokescreen and one of them is dying to totsuka blade, It's extraordinarily fast plus now it's harder to see. I think orochimaru would be the first to go down because he is clearly the most dangerous of the three. Itachi prepares his bunshin feint/substitution whatever it is he does. I think kimimaro would try using the bones as the smoke is clearing but Itachi would simply jump and move from bone to bone. konan also chains an attack with her paper bombs but she gets walled to hell and back by susano'o. I think itachi would deactivate his susano'o after that because of the strain/coughing up blood and after the smoke screens dissipate kimimaro tries to stab him from behind by sneaking into the bones. He stabs "itachi", only for it to turn into crows just like what happened with kabuto. Instead of stabbing kimimaro with a sword from behind he gets nailed by amaterasu. Kimimaro doesn't have shinra tensei so he is down for the count. Itachi can come back to seal him later. It's now one versus one against konan. her papers are dodged and countered by katon, creating a smokescreen, then totsuka blitz. That's more or less how this fight is gonna go down because again, Itachi is much faster than both kimimaro and konan in every way and he is smarter and has a better and wider arsenal, and this is sick itachi I'm talking about here lol. Hi! :) To the person above, Thanks for letting me know, ill try it in my next respond.

Ok ill be starting now. First off, sage kabuto =/= Gaiden Orochimaru. How has itachi seen everything Orochimaru has to offer? he's discerned All of his jutsus? his countless hundreds. If you have proof of this i'd love to see it ( do not show where itachi in the anime expresses something around the lines of a "my eyes can see through all your jutsu") that is a threat, it wasnt an implicative insinuation that he kens every single jutsu of orochimarus. And why is there nothing orochimaru can do? Kusanagi his blade is verbalized to be able to cut through virtually anything. And he has countless jutsus to avail him, Additionally he has his Edo Auxiliaries its not just him alone.

to your second Statement, No. it was Orochimaru Threatening itachi, while itachi already had his sussano already composed, his blade already composed. so it is more homogeneous to orochimary that just aroused vs totsuka blade. I dont relish to count the victory as "his" to be exact, It was the totsuka blade. Not that he didnt win but you're utilizing it as some kind of thing to show how potent he is. its technically going: wow he utilized a prodigiously overpowered blade on an enemy Latched into the mouth of a cyclopean snake making them emobile. Not impressive, The totsuka blade is just a special blade he wields with sussano, It isnt even a facility he owns or anything, Its just a blade he found/Who kens and uses. the totsuka blade is a variant of the kusanage orochimaru has but different.

To commence, size =/= potency. So your "not the bijju sized ones" transmutes nothing. The puissance would be identically tantamount, its just he's shooting it at a person not a bijju so there is no desideratum to make it gargantuan. And i'm confounded, Whats your point? Not being insolent just i dont perceive What that has to do with this. Okay he has an ability, thank you.

Additionally what you said about the Clone thing. The kakashi thing you're referring to. I dont recollect the fight so ill just believe you, but i believe that was quite an impuissant kakashi. i dont see why you compare a kakashi near the commencement of the season to a orochimaru from 15-20+ years In the future after The cessation of shippuden. withal you didnt tell me what the clones do? could you let me ken, i dont recollect this fight.

For your next part, I'm not sure the celerity of itachi's Handseals and if they're more expeditious then orochimaru's, If you could cite something? to show me. Saying he's quicker doesnt make him quicker.

Withal the "totsuka blade" isnt expeditious, it doesnt have a magical property to increment speed. Its itachi that is expeditious, The sword only moves as expeditious as the Wielder slashes. additionally you're surmising once he shoots the Yasaka beads that they can't dodge, and you're even going as far as to Express that once the Cloud of smoke is there they'd just stand there waiting? the entire battle you described is where EVERYTHING goes perfect For itachi and everything is as simple as breathing. while the others do nothing or stand still, and fate literally detests them and make every single thing go deplorable. NO. you fundamentally expressed: throw attack, smoke, op blade orochimaru, bone boy endeavors something fails easly, paper girl endeavors something fails easly. ok facile.

You just scripted a battle where not only does everything go good for itaachi, But the enemies are literally incapable of rudimental thought, orchestrating, moving, responding.

And yes you're Talking about sick itachi, the itachi we're talking of is just not sick, I dont see how not being sick would raise his potency to anything but a Remote bit higher then what he was capable of doing. If you could let me know how bad his Illness was? other then vomiting blood overy once and a while i dont know much about it.

Anyways I dont cerebrate you brought anything up that wasnt you conjecturing how the fight would go so i'm not authentically sure what to respond with. Aswell as that, stop surmising so and so would transpire, and scripting a fight that would Most authentically not transpire.