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Snapper2 wrote: Reliops wrote: What are you talking about, I did answer your question, or at least how I understood it. I asked twice for when the word "ball" is used. I put it in quotes to make clear what word I was looking for. If I somehow failed to be any more explicit then I suppose that's my fault.

Reliops wrote: I left out the word "how" in front of malleable, i.e. the fact you believe something like TSB has to have multiple techniques because of how malleable it is only strengthens my argument that is its own root ability. There are no other named jutsu. I don't believe there need to be other named jutsu. None of what the Fourth Kazekage does is ever named and Gaara still has a handful of unnamed stuff. But in both of their cases there's an acknowledgment that their unnamed techniques are made of a singular substance.

What I do believe is that it's foolish to continue to call things balls when they are not balls. Especially when the word ball is used so rarely and, when it is, specifically only for balls.

Reliops wrote: Here's another example. When Naruto returned and kicked Madara's TSB, where I believe it was first named as such That was the first example I listed. So we're still stuck at four.

Reliops wrote: There is no precedent nor any real logic to go by your way of coining a new term to classify TSB as a part of it. Except for the "magnetic chakra" precedent I brought up before. There's also Sakon and Ukon, whose unnamed kekkei genkai is regarded separately from any of the named techniques they perform.

Despite Elveonora's apparent fondness for the term, "Truth Release" was not a serious suggestion. "Black Weapons" is actually used in the series so it's at least semi-serious. Another option would be to reuse the original article name: "malleable chakra". Or something else entirely, even.

I'm legitimately surprised that you're so resistant to this. Do you not think the balls are made of anything?

It appears the misunderstanding was my own, apologies.

If I understand correctly, your argument is that the because none of the non-spherical variations of the TSB were called TSB means that they're not TSB but part of the same root ability? If I understand this correctly, then I disagree. Madara referred to his spheres as Gudōdama mere seconds before he changed one of the balls to a staff. That would suggest to me it is still the one and the same jutsu. In fact, Black Zetsu's description of Kaguya's TSB strikes me as all encompassing to the point there is nothing else beyond it.

And that is the underlining issue. You would treat this like any other Kekkei Genkai that has a root ability and techniques that branch from it. I think Black Zetsu was explicit enough in his analysis of TSB to suggest it's not part of a "Truth Release" or anything like it. I took his explanation

"...plus mother has even produced a Truth-Seeker-Orb... An expansive Kekkei Mōra"

to be mean the TSB themselves are the Kekkei Mōra.

I believe your belief that they're not is contradictory to Black Zetsu's statements, and thus that coining a new term would be unprecedented, i.e. it goes against what the manga states, that's why I'm opposed to it.