Talk:Sharingan

All Shinobi
Shouldn't we add all the shinobi(uchihas) that we have seen with the Sharingan to the list of Known Sharingan wielders? I'm pretty sure in one of those flashbacks when Sasuke was younger it showed Fugaku and the three Uchiha who were interrogating Itachi had the Sharingan. I'm sure there are more too.  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 16:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite frankly that list shouldn't even exist. We annotate pages with information like Has the kekkei genkai Sharingan for the purpose of making lists where we don't have to make pointless manual edits to them. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Apr 11, 2009 @ 06:06 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm going to remove the list and add a link to the search property you just linked.  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 15:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually eventually it would be best to link to the drilldown page. A filter can be added to the Characters category so that Special:BrowseData/Character can drilldown characters by kekkei genkai. Take a look at one of the Element Release pages for the template used to generate the link. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Apr 11, 2009 @ 20:30 (UTC)

The Eternal Mangekyou is only gained from taking the eyes of another Mangekyou user, not just Sharingan. 71.227.220.13 (talk)

Title icon
Vegerot, is there any good reason you're removing the Sharingan title icon from this page? --ShounenSuki (talk 15:25, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The title Icons are supposed to tell us what it is related to so having the Sharingan on the Sharingan is silly!Vegerot (talk) 15:42, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The title icons also categorise the page and give a quick visual hint about what one can find on a page. Not having the Sharingan title icon on a page about the Sharingan is out-of-place and removes important information and links. --ShounenSuki (talk 15:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

A hint about What you can find?! Look at the first word on the page SHARINGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Purpose of sharingan
Hey, Itachi mentioned to Sasuke about the purpose of sharingan. Does anyone know about this purpose?. If so, somebody please answer me.--Justin92 (talk) 09:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering that too, but I don't think it's ever said, because sasuke went and read about it in that secret meeting place for the uchiha, and that's all. If it is said, someone please tell!Papayaking (talk) 03:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

That should be common knowledge by now, the purpose is to control the Nine-Tails. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

And where does it state that? TheGirlWithTheSharingan (talk) 03:07, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Origin
Isn't the contents of this headline speculation? I can't remember hearing any characters making rumours on the subject. I might be wrong, though, but the single sentence should be under trivia if I am, and not under it's own headline. (Single-sentence paragraphs = bad) ~Hakinu (talk 17:00, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Sharingan ability
The sharingan can control animals or other beings such as the tailed beast, Sasuke controled Manda with his sharingan. In chapter 363 page12 Manda said "with those eyes...i....was controled". On page11 Manda seems to have sharingan eyes just like Itachis crow in chapter 366 page6 witch probably indicates that its under a sharingan users control. Its the sharingans ability to control animals and other beings, shouldnt this be listed in the sharingans ability section?HUNTER* (talk) 00:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)?
 * Suigetsu points out that Sasuke used a genjutsu on Manda. And genjutsus are known for playing tricks with someones mind, and that Sharingan can be used to put someone in a genjutsu is already written. Jacce | Talk 06:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah i gues your right, but there is something else. Suigetsu said to Sasuke "you went inside Manda and used a jutsu to fly into a different space". What does that mean, what jutsu is that? Its probably a sharingan ability dont you think? HUNTER* (talk) 01:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * He is refering to how Sasuke hid inside Mandas mouth and then used the summon jutsu to escape from the blast. Jacce | Talk 05:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

can a woman used the sharingan?
i have seen practically that only the men´s if the uchiha are the only ones to used the sharingan,sow a think that even a shinnobi girl from the uchiha can used the sharingan, if the hyuga have girls using it since their birth date, and are the abilities similar o equal as the mens of the uchiha. Takuya Uzumaki oct-29 2009
 * I think so, wasn't there a woman with a Sharingan in one of Madara's flashbacks? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:38, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

sharingan techniques
with the sharingan (not mangekyou), can the user develop their own technique or are there specific techniques that the sharingan has but most shinobi havent learned them yet? 75.2.217.57 (talk) 02:37, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, sometimes. For example, Shisui Uchiha could hypnotize his opponents. However, it is unknown if all sharingan can be used to create the same jutsu. --Enoki911 (talk) 00:52, December 18, 2009 (UTC)Enoki911

Well it has been stated that sharingan users all use a form of hypnosis during combat. Using Zabuza's analysis as an example along with the abilities section. The sharingan user can suggest to the opponent an action or thought through simple eye contact. Shisui did seem to master this ability an make it his very own. We don't know exactly how many there are in total as most sharingan users are dead. But depending on the skill the user possesses they can develop a technique using the basic sharingan abilities.WolfMaster (talk) 15:40, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

WHY!
how come every time i put some information about the sharingan the next day they take if off:S
 * What information, I can't find anything about sharingan in your contributions that was reverted. Note that a number of your edits have contained speculation and information with no source other than things we've traced back to speculation, so you might have unknowingly been adding something that was completely false and had it reverted. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Dec 13, 2009 @ 20:36 (UTC)

Mabey what your putting is stupid, irrelevant, in-correct, isnt a reliable source, and cant be backed up by anything. --TheBlueBlur (talk) 18:38, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

WTF???
"Madara has also revealed that there are ten different kinds of Sharingan."

When did Madara ever state this? Someone explain please O_o --Exhorresco (talk) 23:13, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Someone misread/misunderstood Madara saying that there were 10 Sharingan eyes in Danzo's arm. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:27, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for chaging it! ^__^ --Exhorresco (talk) 23:30, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

itachi only deactivated his sharingan once? What about after he used the amaterasu in his fight with sasuke? i remembered he turned it off then. Brainwasher5 (talk) 00:51, January 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * That was his eye going blind. Notice thw same thing happens after he uses Susanoo. Wreiad (talk) 01:39, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

When he used Amaterasu in part one, he did deactivate the Sharingan, but when he used Susanoo against Sasuke, he didn't deactivate the Sharingan, it was the strain of overuse blinding his eyes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:45, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Information Changes Needed
The final paragraph in the abilities section about the sharingan constantly using chakra needs half of it moved. The second sentence in the paragraph doesn't belong here as it is about Itachi maintaining his Mangekyo sharingan for three days.WolfMaster (talk) 15:45, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Itachi kept regular Sharingan activated all the time, not the Mangekyō. Only after using Mangekyō abilities he deactivated the Sharingan. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:55, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Two things
First, is 'Sharingans' a valid pluralization? For some reason it bothers me, so I prefer 'Sharingan eyes', but if 'Sharingans' is fine, I'll be okay with it.

Second, I believe more info regarding Danzō should be added, but I can't come up with a good idea. --Kiadony (talk) 12:36, January 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Does Sharigans sound like a valid pluralization? Of course not.
 * Go right ahead.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 12:43, January 30, 2010 (UTC)

tailed beasts
The relationship between sharingan and tailed beasts still seems to me quite obscure. It seems that Sasuke can somehow supress the ninetails chakra in naruto. It also seems that Madara needed the mangekyo if not the eternal mangekyo sharingan to control de nine tails. And it is also unclear if he could summon it with the summoning jutsu. Madara also tells that the reason the uchiha became feared and segregated in konoha was because of the power to control the tailed beasts. Maybe it is simply because thanks to their natural talent with genjutsu they could easily gain control over the beasts as sasuke does with manda??? Neji uchiha (talk) 08:21, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly certain it says nowhere in the canon that the Mangekyo is specifically required to control a Tailed Beast, just a regular Sharingan. Admittedly, this would make its assault on Konoha pretty short, so i guess it is assumed from that. Kahlzun (talk) 12:50, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

I take it that you only need the Sharingan to control the tailed beasts. As Sasuke was shown supressing the Nine Tails with his basic 3 tomoe Sharingan. When Madara took control of the Nine Tails, the only reason some speculate that you need the Mangekyo, is because he had his one at the time. Doesn't mean anything though. As by the time things got to the way they were, he had awakened his Mangekyo Sharingan. Also, as stated above, "The reason the Uchiha became feared and segregated in Konoha was because of the power to control the tailed beasts". Now how could they become feared for this abilty, if Madara was the first to awaken his Mangekyo? SusanooUnleashed (talk) 04:22, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Why was Sasuke unable to control the Eight Tails with his sharingan? Thunderbender18 (talk) 07:37, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Because the Sharingan can only influence the Nine-Tails. ~SnapperTo 18:38, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Mangekyo Sharingan
"The Mangekyō Sharingan gives the user access to several powerful techniques, including the powerful fire jutsu Amaterasu and the almost unbreakable genjutsu Tsukuyomi."

Doesn't the MS give different powers to each wielder? For example, Kakashi has Kamui, and Itachi had Tsukiyomi.

When Sasuke killed Itachi, and gained Mangekyo, he also got most of Itachis powers, including Suzanoo, but not Tsukiyomi. I posit, therefore, that each individual has their own powers, non-transferable and unique to themselves.

I'm changing this to reflect 'may give' rather than 'will give', keeping this original here for posterity's sake. Kahlzun (talk) 01:32, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Um, you misunderstood what was shown. Sasuke inherited all of Itachi's Mangekyou techniques, albeit in the opposite eyes. Itachi had Tsukoyomi, Amaterasu, and Susanoo, not just Tsukoyomi. Also, Tsukoyomi and Amaterasu have to be mastered in order for the user to develop Susanoo. Really, we are unsure about whether the techniques are unique as there have been very few Mangekyou users thus far. Kakashi's doesn't help since he only has one Sharingan, thus 1 Mangekyou, so he only has 1 Mangekyou technique. Madara has an understanding of all Mangekyou techniques, but his are currently unknown, aside from, maybe his space-time technique, which is seemingly similar to Kamui. Skitts (talk) 22:12, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

TRIVA
on trivia can u put that madara said that thousand were sacrificed for the mankekyou but only 5 have had it or have it kakashi,madara,sasuke,izuna,itachi (Willh65 (talk) 20:53, July 22, 2010 (UTC))

only 5 are known. there are others but all of those are probably long dead

Odd question
I've been thinking about the sharingan lately. My question is: Wouldn't having the Sharingan activated all the time offset the blindness?--Otacon1514 (talk) 02:10, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just having the Sharingan doesn't make one blind. MS does. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:18, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry thats not what I meant. If your partially blind from using the MS wouldn't have the regular sharingan activated all the time like itachi did make you vision normal. It takes in every detail you know. --Otacon1514 (talk) 01:16, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, idea. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:06, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

As far as we can tell, the vision becomes blurry and unfocused. Regardless of the Sharingan being active or not. We see Itachi's point of view during the fight, inside the Uchiha hideout, and he had the sharingan active. Sasuke had a similar effect, when he tried to have a drink of water and knocked it over. His vision is also blurred, but not to a big extent. And he doesnt have his sharingan active all the time like Itachi. I can't remember the episode at the moment. But we see the same effect, albiet far worseas compared to the drink incident, when team 7 reunite, after Naruto saves Sakura from Sasuke. SharinganMike (talk) 00:33, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Chapter 26
I think in that chapter Zabuza explained how Kakashi used his Sharingan. Shouldn't we use something from it, for example "Dosatsugab" and "Saimingan" features?--LeafShinobi (talk) 19:06, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * You mean the terms and ? Sounds okay to me. —ShounenSuki (talk 23:10, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. Also, on pages 13-14, Zabuza gives some other terms, I think.--LeafShinobi (talk) 16:04, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Man, I completely forgot about this... He mentions the terms, , and . —ShounenSuki (talk 21:24, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think on page 13 he also mention the term "tōton".--LeafShinobi (talk) 21:33, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * He does... or rather, he uses the word . It's the same tōton as Jiraiya's Tōton Jutsu, but I'm rather confused as to what it would mean here. 透 can mean 'to penetrate,' which would apply here, but the 遁 has me baffled.
 * Well, it was early in the manga, so maybe Kishimoto-sensei simply meant 遁法 as a term for a kind of ninja art. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:56, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Eternal Mangenkyo Sharingan
Should this article not contain information on the Eternal Mangenkyo Sharingan? Is there a seperate article for that? If so, shouldn't this article at least link to that other article? --Daleadil (talk) 02:23, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

It links to the Mangekyo Sharingan page, which has info on it. The Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan hasn't been introduced with enough info yet, so it doesn't have its own page. --GoDai (talk) 02:28, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Izanagi
"In addition to these commonly used techniques, the Sharingan allows the user to perform the genjutsu Izanagi. Using Izanagi, the user can warp reality for a short amount of time, changing reality into illusion and illusion into reality. However, this technique has been dubbed kinjutsu, because use of it causes the user to go blind in the eye that performed Izanagi."

Isn't Izanagi only possible with both the Uchiha, and Senju powers? This paragraph implies that anyone with a Sharingan is able to use the technique, which, in reality, and as explained by Madara, only those in possession of BOTH the Uchiha and Senju powers can.


 * Izanagi is a bit confuse. Madara said it requires both clans' powers, but says that the Uchiha clan deemed it forbidden, which implies others have used it. I don't think that many Uchiha had Senju abilities as well. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:38, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Transplanted sharingan
Why do people with transplanted sharingan cover their normal eye when the sharingan is active? I understand why the sharingan is covered most of the time, due to the fact that it's always "on" so to speak, but both Kakashi and Danzo close their normal eye when using their sharingan. Surely there is a reason for this, but I don't think one has ever been mentioned, at least in the anime.


 * To prevent conflicting signals? It would probably be some sort of uncomfortable for the brain to process normal and Sharingan vision at the same time. ~SnapperTo 04:10, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * While that makes sense, the Byakugan doesn't have that problem. Ao was using both his Byakugan and his normal eye simultaneously at the Five Kage Summit, so why would Sharingan be different? RickyTheFish (talk) 06:58, March 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ao can turn his Byakugan off if he wants to? The normal vision helps ground the 360 vision?
 * I also point out that Kakashi does not always close his normal eye when using the Sharingan. ~SnapperTo 07:23, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Misleading Trivia
I believe the trivia should be removed due to the fact that it can be misleading to other users.

The Trivia implies that the Sharingan comes from the Byakugan, which we all know almost certainly wrong.

In fact the page of the manga that mentioned the rumor that exists in the naruto universe was just there to have a comparison of the powers of that Byakugan. Kakashi simply just stated the existence of the rumor. There are no named characters that have been stated to believe that the Sharingan comes from the Byakugan. On top of that there is no other information of the possible origins of the Sharingan in the Wiki page.

Right now the only information in the wiki page for the Sharingan is one irrelevant trivia that implies it comes from the byakugan. Llollercoaster (talk) 16:36, April 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * But you're the only one that's complained about the fact that Kakashi said some people believe that the Sharingan comes from the Byakugan.  ~ Fmakck© → Talk → Contributions ~ 12:32, April 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't see the reason why it should be there. The only reason this dialog is in the manga is to convey the power of the Byakugan to the reader. It has no purpose in plot development. Last time I checked a wiki page is suppose to have information on the topic its about. Not convoluted factoids that are based of a single line of dialog from the manga. Right now the Sharingan page has no information on its history other than one sentence that implies it comes from the Byakugan. Which is definitely false. Llollercoaster (talk) 16:46, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think he said what he did for the purpose of showing the Byakugan's power. It was just a statement saying some believe the Sharingan is derived from the Byakugan. Trivial information like that goes in the Trivia section.  ~ Fmakck©  (Images 16:51, April 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well you need to reread the chapter because its quite obvious that the reason this is was put into the manga was to emphasize the power of the byakugan NOT plot development for the Sharingan. (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v09/c078/13.html) On top of that I do not see why there should be any "Trivial" information at all in an encyclopedia style wiki. Llollercoaster (talk) 18:13, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Trivial information is information nonetheless, and even if what Kakashi said was used to show the Byakugan's power, the trivia point shows some insight about some people's views about the Sharingan's origins.  ~ Fmakck©  (Images 18:20, April 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * The trivia isn't misleading. It has references so whatever version you read you get the same synapses.--Cerez™☺ 18:25, April 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * The wiki presents facts, not opinions. It is a fact that Kakashi brings up this rumor, which is why it is mentioned. It is your opinion that this rumor is incorrect, which is why it will not be removed. ~SnapperTo 18:29, April 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * It is not my opinion that the rumor that Kakashi said is wrong. Its my opinion that the article doesn't sufficiently talk about the history of the Sharingan. There is a huge difference between 1 line of dialog versus entire chapters. Right now this article misrepresents the Sharingan's plot. You know there is a distinct cut off between stating a fact and telling a truth. Llollercoaster (talk) 18:43, April 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * The known line of descent is:
 * Rinnegan.svg → Dōjutsu Uchiha Ancestor.svg → ??? → Sharingan Triple.svg
 * You have no evidence that the Byakugan does not fit into the gap somewhere. There is also no evidence that it does, but the suggestion exists in the series. Hence the trivia.
 * If you want to add that the Sharingan is evolved from the Uchiha ancestor's dojutsu, which is evolved from the Rinnegan, you will not be reverted. ~SnapperTo 19:01, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't want to add it, why don't you add it. This would satisfy the point I have been trying to make. I'm also very lazy. Llollercoaster (talk) 20:33, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Genjutsu
Shouldn't the ability to cast powerful genjutsu's also be in the Abilities section? It seems like a more important attribute of the Sharingan than the hypnosis thing. Also why does the first sentence say some members of the Uchiha? Isn't it something the entire clan has? Thunderbender18 (talk) 07:44, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * We know it already. --_-_-=NejiLoverr26 (Talk-Contribs.-Links) Konohagakure_Symbol.svg 07:48, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well I know you know that, but most of probably knew most if not all of the information in this article... The point is theres nothing in this page about the Sharingan's unique genjutsu ability other than the list of derived jutsu Thunderbender18 (talk) 08:37, May 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * "genjutsu cast by the Sharingan are capable of putting an opponent to sleep, inducing paralysis, replaying memories to someone else, or creating various illusions to deceive someone. The potency of the Sharingan's illusion is dependent on the user's knowledge and skill with implementing genjutsu." ~SnapperTo 18:38, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Picture?
The picture on the front page. What do you use to make that like close up


 * Is that better?  ~ Fmakck© (Images 19:44, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

No like how did you make the picture? Was it featured in the anime or what do you use for it?

Shining in the dark?
I don't know whether this translation is reliable or not, but here Kisame says that Madara's Sharingan eye shines in the dark. What does he say in the original? Should it be taken literally? If yes, should a note be added (trivia maybe)? --kiadony 11:39, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

known wielders
for some reason itachi is not written among "known wielders" of the sharingan. he should obviously be there.
 * I see him. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 18:31, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

"Known Wielders

Kakashi Hatake Danzō Shimura Fugaku Uchiha Hikaku Uchiha Inabi Uchiha Izuna Uchiha Kagami Uchiha Madara Uchiha Obito Uchiha Sasuke Uchiha Setsuna Uchiha Shisui Uchiha Tekka Uchiha Yashiro Uchiha" i do not.
 * You probably just need to clear your cache because I also see him.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 18:42, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't see him either. --Vecanoi (talk) 18:48, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see him as well. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:54, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * what posible reason is there for the fact that you can see it and i can't? does'nt seem reasonable.
 * You probably just need to clear your cache...--Cerez365™

i did. still can't see him.

Kakashi's MS
From what I can tell Kakashi isn't going blind from using his MS. Does anyone have any ideas why? Apollymi28 (talk) 06:08, July 15, 2011 (UTC)Apollymi28
 * He doesn't use it often enough and the effects are less visible with him, since he has a normal eye as well. —ShounenSuki (talk 07:15, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Sun glasses
Is it worth noticing that sun glasses don't confer protection against Sharingan genjutsu? I tired figuring out where to put it, but no where seems good enough. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:04, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know why it would because you would still be able to see their eyes. Since looking at the Sharingan is all it takes, I don't its worth mentioning.--Deva 27 01:13, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Infobox
I added that the Sharingan first appeared in Naruto: Clash of Ninja but it doesn't show up when I publish it. But it's still there when I go back to edit it. Why!? Why does this wiki always do this!? Also, what movie did this debut in? Dueler65 (talk) 22:59, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's the kekkei genkai infobox. It takes in the information, but doesn't show it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:48, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Its movie début was in Naruto the Movie: Ninja Clash in the Land of Snow. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 04:30, August 20, 2011 (UTC)

Add?
I think we should add that a Sharingan user can set another users Sharingan to activate against another one. If that makes sense? I didn't know quite how to word it. But how Itachi set Sasukes eye to respond to Madaras eye, and the Crows eye to respond to his own.

I don't think it's been listed on any Sharingan pages that I can see, and think it would be a good bit of trivia(?), information to add. SusanooUnleashed (talk) 01:02, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Or that could just be an ability of Itachi's since he's the only one we've seen doing such intricate things. It could also have nothing to do with the Sharingan as an ability as he could have used some thing like the Transcription Seal: Amaterasu.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 01:10, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Missing 2 Photos and Sections
A 1 Tomoe Sharingan and a 2 Tomoe Sharingan need to be put on this page. As it is the Sharingans chain of evolution and completely relevant to this page and the Uchiha Clan. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 13:33, August 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Why is that? People don't exactly walk around with one or two tomoed Sharingan. Come one use your imaginaaaaaation--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 13:42, August 28, 2011 (UTC)

"People don't exactly walk around with one or two tomoed Sharingan." Obito had it for for at least an hour, and Sasuke first showed the 1 Tomoe and 2 Tomoe Sharingan at the beginning of the manga pretty much. and the fact You cannot skip The 2 Tomoe Sharingan and Unlock a fully developed 3 Tomoe Sharingan. As it is canon and Sasuke who is a main Character unlocked the 1 Tomoe Sharingan, then matured it all the way to 3 Tomoe it should be Put on the Sharingans page at least. Sasuke also Had the 2 Tomoe from after they fought Haku all the way until the valley of the end. So he DID walk around with it for a long time. and he is not just people in this manga he is SASUKE the hax god. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 02:46, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

Still kinda pointless, since the overwhelming amount of times we've seen the Sharingan, it was the regular three tomoe. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:19, August 29, 2011 (UTC)

This is the NARUTO wiki, which is supposed to have all the information possible about Naruto. Such as the evolution of the Sharingan and such. Thats just lazyness to not add in atleast a manga image of Sasuke at 7yrs with the 1 tomoe Sharingan and Obito when he unlocks his 2 tomoe sharingan or Sasuke when he met Itachi again showing his 2 tomoe Sharingan. Its part of an evolution and this wiki is supposed to have all information and data... ItachiWasAHero (talk) 03:20, August 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * What's it like to be incabapble of doing things for yourself? always needing to use disucssion pages to tell others what to do . . . the freedom you possess sounds liberating. --109.239.48.34 (talk) 05:46, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

If I had the permission and I knew how to, I would add them to the Sharingan page. Your smart ass comments don't change ANYTHING. Have fun with that. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 06:27, August 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I can see how a single image of an immature Sharingan could improve the article. I don't think it's necessary to add separate images for both a single-tomoe and double-tomoe Sharingan, though. It would do nothing but clutter the page with images. —ShounenSuki (talk 07:38, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

So if we're going to go ahead with it, this is what it would kinda look like but there's also the alternative of this that was done on another wikia.--Cerez365™ 15:04, August 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * A gallery for three images with little to no difference between them is just a waste of space. If we must have all forms represented here, grab an image of Sasuke when he still had both a single-tomoe and double-tomoe Sharingan. Problem solved with a single image. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:25, August 30, 2011 (UTC)

Well I found this but I could've sworn I remember there being another image of it somewhere else.--Cerez365™ 18:28, August 30, 2011 (UTC) In one of the recent Naruto Shippuuden Episodes, doesn't it have a remake of that scene? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 10:32, August 31, 2011 (UTC)

Sharingan Universal to Uchiha?
I was wondering, but does the story imply that the Sharingan is a trait that may not be inherited by all Uchiha? Or is it a pretty safe bet that someone of Uchiha heritage will be 100% likely to have the ability? Bloodtom1 (talk) 18:51, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * You know the answer to that is in the article. Yes it does imply that or rather it's a stated fact.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 19:20, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Sharingan Picture?
This might seem a little irrelavant but how do you make these svg pictures of the sharingan? 98.193.227.185 (talk) 21:56, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * A program called Inkscape. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:52, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

copy eye jutsu
can other users of the copy eye jutsu from like when itachi gave his eye technique to sasuke this proves that theycan use either eye jutsu if so could someone with mangkeou sharingan their specific jutsu like kakashi copying sasuke justsu to have or the other way around (74.141.196.236 (talk) 19:16, September 28, 2011 (UTC))
 * The sharingan is still a KG and probably can't copy other sharingan techniques. Itachi implanted his techniques into sasuke using the Transcription Seal: Amaterasu so sasuke didn't copy the technique. Joshbl56 (talk) 20:32, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

yeah its a kekei genkai in they all can got it i think they can copy it but they need the skill level to do the jutsu  but if they had rinnegan they be able to use it cause it allows them to use any jutsu but kekei henkai in hiden but in this case yeah cause kekei genkai is in them in they share the same kekei genkai like what would happen if madara had wood release he be able to copy the 1 hokage wood jutsu cause he has that in the sharingan  but he would the skill in chakra to do it im not tryin to be rude do you get what im trying to say (74.141.196.236 (talk) 21:44, September 28, 2011 (UTC))
 * I get what you say but we have never seen someone with the sharingan and another KG so we don't know if they could also copy their techniques, though they might be able to. Just saying now but the rinnegan doesn't allow someone to use sharingan techniques (Tsukuyomi, amaterasu, Susanoo) cause they only accessible to someone with a sharingan (hence why they are called sharingan techniques). The rinnegan has its own set of techniques (six paths, samsara of life, etc.) that it uses plus it allows the person who has it to use all the elements. Joshbl56 (talk) 21:59, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

you got it wrong i did not say rinnegan allows to do it i says with it they cause sharingan copy the jutsu in they got rinnegan like madara they be able to do it cause they both got the same kekei genkai in the eye jutsu are from the sharingan there not separate kekei genkai by them selfs (74.141.196.236 (talk) 22:51, September 28, 2011 (UTC))
 * I'm seriously trying to follow what you say but the 'no period' is killing me. From what i got, you are saying that for as long as they have both the sharingan and the rinnegan then they should be able to use all the techniques cause the sharingan allows them to copy and the rinnegan gives them an affinity for all elements? If so then i would guess so but since we haven't actually seen someone with both copying something we could only speculate. Joshbl56 (talk) 22:33, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

i was right i new they can either jutsu madara has susanno  which mean he have that black fire in that other jutsu  thats three known. users of that jutsu madara train itachi he

probably taught him it also it looks like rinnegan is advancement of EMS im good all the  eye jutsu from uchia can probaly be copy but you need the skill level to do it in requirement like susano having the other 2. the sharingan inits forms are still blood related that means

other uchia can learn there eye jutsu like madara just saying this  might have kamui or what you call it (74.141.196.236 (talk) 20:33, October 19, 2011 (UTC))

The Rinnegan does not automatically endow one with the ability to use any nature transformation, they still have to learn to do so. What it does is give you the potential to mastery all of them easily. The Sharingan can copy techniques, but only if the user has the capability of using the technique, hence why Itachi or Kakashi say, couldn't just copy Naruto's Rasenshuriken. Just because a ninja has both of those dojutsu does not mean they can use any technique. Skitts (talk) 00:51, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

yeah but high with the skill and with eyes also someone with good ninjutsu could learn rasenshuriken the sharingan allows complete memorize in able to use jutsu rinnegan gives nature if they master both in have, skill level then yes they can learn  any jutsu even medical cause all uchia shown are really smart cause they can use eye genjutsu (74.141.196.236 (talk) 03:27, October 26, 2011 (UTC))

Changing tomoe
Should we mention in the trivia that the tomoe of the incomplete version of sasuke's sharingan changing places. | Look at this one and then | look at this one. Joshbl56 (talk) 22:40, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Tobi's Sharingan
If you look on page chapter 501, page 8 you can see Tobi's right eye. It was the standard Sharingan and at the very moment he took control of the Nine-Tails. Tobi has not been confirmed to posses the Mangekyo Sharingan, so we can't say he has it. Plus the Sharingan hasn't been said to lack the ability to control the Nine-Tails. The Fox King(tylerbryant547@gmail.com (talk) 00:50, October 25, 2011 (UTC))
 * I have to say, I agree with him. For now, I think the best place to note this discrepancy is in the trivia section. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:58, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

We only saw Tobi's eye for a split second. For all we know, it changed to a Mangekyo as he was focusing on the Kyubi. Itachi stated that controlling the fox was one of the abilities of the Mangekyō. And the fact that Madara was known to have controlled the Fox after he had his Mangekyō (EMS, specifically) during his battle with Hashirama. I find it unlikely that anyone could dp better than he in that regard, considering he is one of the only four ninjas noted to have had complete control over a Tailed Beast. Not to mention, the Mangekyo's power to control the Kyubi was written on the stone tablet in the Naka shrine if I'm not mistaken. Skitts (talk) 00:59, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

My theory is that its possible to control the fox even with just the normal Sharingan ... I think he just used a basic genjutsu and he was able to control the fox due to Hashirama's DNA/power he possess. Tobi even commented on Danzo that he has both Sharingan and Hashirama's power and that he was about to control the fox. --Elveonora (talk) 01:02, October 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * @Omnibender- I disagree... It was said that the Mangekyō Sharingan can control the Nine-Tails not the Sharingan. I believe that this is one of those times where we should assume he does have it and it hasn't been shown for some reason (later plot development/twist etc) and could have been activated when the frames switched to the Nine-Tails' eyes instead of going against what has been stated and saying that he doesn't have it. But at the same time there is the fact that Tobi's said before that those who possess Senju and Uchiha DNA can control the Nine-Tails (Danzō bit)--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 01:04, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

@Elveonora Except Danzo had Shisui's Mangekyo Sharingan in his right eye. Skitts (talk) 01:05, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * This isn't the place to make theories. Hashirama's power alone already has some control over the Nine-Tails, and Danzō had Shisui's Sharingan, which was a Mangekyō. Other than controlling the Nine-Tails being an ability of the MS, we have no indication that Tobi has or has ever had an MS. I think we should treat this similar to how we treated the Hyūga whose Byakugan Ao stole, we kept it in the trivia section, giving emphasis to the lack of clarity of the situation. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:07, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's a good point Skitts is raising. However I agree that we should represent the fact that we haven't seen Tobi's Mangekyō Sharingan. As long as the information isn't represented to sound like "the Sharingan can control the Nine-Tails" then i'm fine with it.Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 01:08, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * It was never confirmed nor seen about Tobi's MS. Just because it's basic theory it doesn't mean it's true.-- 01:12, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Erg, two edit conflict. :U @Omni Ninja'd you. :P Sounds like a plan boss man. Also, is it alright to head forward with the Madara Amaterasu-Tsukoyomi issue now? Skitts (talk) 01:14, October 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think so. We gave it two days, and I put an edit summary requesting for input, so I think we're good to go on that one. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:16, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Sasuke was seen to be able to suppress The Fox just with a Sharingan. It is highly likely that this ability is amplified due to Hashirama's DNA in case of Tobi.--Elveonora (talk) 01:18, October 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Alrighty then. I think we've made a decision lets shut it down before a thread of useless speculation starts.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 01:30, October 25, 2011 (UTC)