Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20171121021544/@comment-734582-20171123175538

Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: ok, I see that happening. can madara outsmart him? (in any USEFUL way?) As far as we've seen, SPSM gives an intuitive understanding of jutsu while Rinnegan seems to grant some form of insight. So i doubt that Guy would have any trouble adopting to his new form. Even then, Madara didn't require much in the way of exotic jutsu to beat Guy. It didn't require Limbo clones, Wood or Storm release or other special jutsu. Quite simply, in the Manga Madara knew he couldn't be defeated. the only time he acts uncharacteristically rash is when he fights Rinnegan Sasuke and SPSM Naruto. The combined attack on Madara was the worst-case scenario, and even that didn't kill Madara. So i don't really see how TTJ guy could lose.

Eight Gates Madara would probably need more power. Having Hashirama's cells would help a lot in maintaining the Eight Gates longer, but i think a Rinnegan and Sage Mode are pretty much necessary for Eight Gates Madara to win.