Board Thread:Episode Discussions/@comment-1251315-20160721110532/@comment-27089028-20160724203701

UltimaDude wrote: Starscream1998 wrote: That's a bit hard pressed to say he's 'directly' responsible for the feud. He was more than capable but coupled with his vow to never use chakra as a weapon again and wanting his sons to be independent that would of been so unbelievably OOC. I fail to see this supposed bias at all, he showed no such thing and only become weary of Indra as the latter got more and more twisted due to Black Zetsu's influence. That's not stupid at all, Ashura's method was clearly more befitting of a sage than Indra's by a mile and you just stated everything wrong with Indra's method. Even in times of war hard earned happiness can shine through or do you need to read Naruto chapter 700 again?

Yeah, he knew of Black Zetsu after his death which is a bit too late for you to be asking things of him. He's mortal, were you expecting him to use Rinne Tensei on someone we never met, come on man get your priorities straight. Stop going on about neglecting a son as he clearly doesn't show it. He tells Sasuke he regrets neglecting Indra in the inheritance of his will which if he hadn't done it may of solved everything. For Kami's sake Indra and Ashura are individuals who have their own wars to fight, he can't be responsible for Indra and the path HE chose for himself.

It's a moniker created in fabled legends, you weren't going to see it in this filler. You're entitled to despise Hagoromo but some of your criticisms hold no water. Preventing his sons from fighting each other to the death is not OOC for Hagoromo and he won't even need to use his powers if he was being a good father. All throughout the arc, Hagoromo paid more attention to Asura, and even had many conversations with him. He showed no interest in confronting Indra and explaining how his way is wrong. That's bias right there. Wanting your children to be independent and letting them go on the wrong path are two different things. Heck, if Hagoromo wanted his sons to be independent, then why did he have talks with Asura? There's literally nothing wrong with Indra's method, he only just took it upon himself to build the villagers a well. The villagers fighting over water rights is completely stupid and it wasn't Indra's fault. Do you see neighbors fight and kill themselves over a public park built by the government? Do you not recall the three previous Great Ninja World Wars? Wars and it can easily destroy anything The only reason why the Naruto world is peaceful is because of Naruto. Without him, there won't be peace Were you not paying attention? He knew about Black Zetsu during his life, otherwise he wouldn't of been able to tell the Hokages about it. In this sh!tty filler, Hagoromo knew about Black Zetsu, yet it didn't come to mind to confront or straight up destroy it. He clearly neglected Indra as he Don't bring what he said in canon, as he clearly wasn't able to do anything about his sons' feud as he did in this filler arc. Why wouldn't Hagoromo be responsible? Indra is his freaking son and he let him go on a dark path when he was more than capable enough to prevent him from doing so. That's terrible parenting Why wouldn't we be able to see how he got his moniker? It clearly was created during his life, as he came to refer himself as the SoSP when he met Naruto and Sasuke Yes it is out of character as Hagaromo is a pacifist so pretty sue he's not intervening directly anytime soon. I seem to remember him having more conversations with Indra or did you miss the part where Indra invented jutsu? Actually yes he did; once during the naming of his successor but Indra walked off and again when Indra went Susanoo on everyone.
 * Only focused on Asura
 * Didn't hear Indra's story before choosing his successor
 * Let Indra walked on the dark path he chose
 * Didn't have a serious talk with Indra and explain how the path he is walking on is wrong

You make it sound like Hagaromo had a thousand conversations with Ashura. He had barely any on screen talk with any of his sons really when it comes down to it. Plus Indra was on that lone wolf shtick and Hagaromo kinda had a place to help run so you know now you're asking for Indra to break character. It's clear to even a blind man that there was tension building up between the two for 2-3 episodes and not all disputes are settled with a little chat especially when Indra is so bloody stubborn he makes Madara look timid. It's not about fault it was about fixing the problem which Indra did in the short term but failed hard long term. You have a very poor understanding of show if you think it was solely Naruto to thank for the peace and not the countless life changing people he met and fought.

It's also rich how you accuse me not paying enough attention when you clearly didn't watch the episode where Hagaromo states he watched over the shinobi world after his death so sorry bud but that's just hilarious to read. So lets break it down


 * There was no focus on one particular son


 * You can polish a turd as much as you want it's still a turd and Indra's method was the same method as Kaguya's, Madara's and every other villain who thinks they can solve everything with power and no bonds.


 * ....suuuuure I also suppose that means if Kakashi had flapped his lips long enough Sasuke wouldn't of left the village. The moment Indra started buying into what Zetsu was selling reasoning with him was not on the table.

I respect your Manga purity...but you need to realise that's an incredibly narrow minded thing to be doing. Dude, are you trying to make Naruto's plot suck because you clearly haven' heard of the word 'plot' Hagaromo believe it or not is flawed. So yes I agree his parenting skills weren't the best (he didn't really have a good example did he now) but these accusations are way too unfocused even for a half ass filler.