Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-26145872-20160224202704/@comment-27660682-20160316072457

Right, so we look at naruto's advantages but ignore his disadvantages? How exactly is that fair? You claim it's because naruto had more prep but the reason he needed to have more prep was because of the nine tails. The nine tails at that point in the story works against naruto as much as it helps him. If it wasn't for the nine tails, naruto would also have infinite sage mode and he would do better than jiraiya by even more of a long shot. Wrong, because naruto's chakra control was horrible in part one, and even though he could make a lot of clones in part one, the clones were alot weaker back then. By the pain fight the clones were alot more durable. You are forgetting that unlike other clone techniques, the shadow clone technique is an even split of one's chakra. Jiraiya doesn't have the liberty of spamming shadow clones like naruto does. I laughed out loud when you said naruto has the same reserves as jiraiya, they arent anywhere near the same. Jiraiya only risked making a clone for the diversion as he knew the sound genjustu was good game. Naruto also had access to ultra big ball rasengan so moot point. The rasengan only detonates a mountain if it fully detonates. Naruto is just as intelligent and wise as jiraiya. He showed it when he rescued kakashi from the water prsion vs zabuza, tricking kiba with transformation jutsu, tricking neji with bunshin feints, tricking kakuzu with bunshin feint, tricking pain with bunshin+ rasenshuriken transformation feint, developing rasenshuriken,learning kage bunshin in chapter one, using shadow clones to help gather sage chakra, learning rasengan in a week, figuring out the third raikage's weakness, and there are more feats out there, so let's not downplay naruto. Naruto is stronger, balances his sage chakra better, just as smart if not smarter, bigger chakra reserves, and kurama to fall back on. The only real advantage is that he had full intel from the start, but that's it. Naruto fares a much better chance against pain then jiraiya at that point in the story. Again, jiraiya admitted that he could not deal with 3 pains by himself in sage mode, so he isn't doing anything against 6. He needed to prep even though he gained intel on all three he was fighting, and then set up a diversion after fleeing the battle field to separate the pains. Even if jiraiya has full intel, he isn't escaping this time to prep his diversion thanks to bansho tenin. Naruto survived against pain because he outsmarted him multiple times. Pain eventually overwhelmed him temporarily.