Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-33286580-20181109105618

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Nope, he was about to break the genjutsu using hand seals but that's where he lost his arm...he never got to break the genjutsu. Besides itachi was mentioning controlling you or kill you to orochimaru. Meaning he has not yet decided what to do with him.

Okay. Orochimaru did not get to break the Genjutsu.

Yet the fact remains that Itachi did not go for the kill even when he should have ample reasons as i stated so. that is speculation but understanding Orochimaru it shouldnt be hard for Itachi to understand that.

and what do you mean Itachi was thinking whether to kill or control Orochimaru. where did that come from. all Itachi talked there was that he could see through all Orochimaru's jutsu.

if you are adding the anime stuff to this then remember that there is just too much added over the manga. like there is fucking Kabuto coming to the aid of Orochimaru.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Sound true, but can he even do it when damaged under the influence of genjutsu....nope.The jutsu is not automatic.

first of all the moment he is hurt the Genjutsu breaks. that is the basic of cancelling Genjutsu. Kurenai broke of the Genjutsu by simply biting her lips and Orochimaru had his entire arm cut off.

Also why should the snake reattachment not work. i mean the guy is all snakes if he had transformed at this point. no matter the wound he can reatach.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Nope, it means he was underestimating itachi and got his ass handed to him for that...usually the last man standing is announced as the victor..

Yes. he got his ass handed because he underestimated Itachi. i agree to that. and that is one of the reasons i say the next time they fight he isnt underestimating Itachi.

there is no clear victor because Orochimaru still lives to see another day and his only loss was his arm.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

How do sannin's fight? mostly with their summonings, and they just sit back and watch..now this guy was doing just that but only had a much stronger summoning than Manda soo......

4tailed Naruto vs Orochimaru. the Gokage vs Madara. Jiraiya vs Pein.

the Sannin dont sit back and fight. they more or less fight using summons as an aide, especially Orochimaru where he summons smaller snakes for various jutsu.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: So goes for every uchiha...i mean imagine Obito without Sharingan, no sharingan no kamui...oh shit that's bad for him.

I said without MS.

and just so you know Obito tamed the Kyubi with his Sharingan.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Are you referring to the sick ,near dead ,already exhausted itachi's fireball?

that was an example of sorts. Yet apart from his use of Fireball jutsu and the water drill like Jutsu tell me a high level jutsu he has shown to use.

maybe perhaps flames that can burn forests like Madara or a water vortex like Zabuza.

the fireball is not killing S-rank shinobi. yes it can be good in the hands of the right user, but in the end it is C-rank jutsu for a reason.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: It was like kurenai was in her own genjutsu, the one she imagined...it's like being in your own home. It did leave her open to attacks.

Kurneai was indeed in her own jutsu, but the control was now completely in the hands of Itachi.

I mean if Itachi were to take Asuma's chakra blode from him and attack Asuma does that mean the Asuma was attacking himself.

Itachi reversed the Genjutsu on Kurenai and Kurenai broke off it

Um clones are not affected by genjutsu. Which is why it didn't even go poof afterwards. And what are you saying? itachi has low reserves maybe due to being sick or restrained by plot.

Genjutsu can not work on a clone. where did that come from?

they didnt need to show Kakashi's clone go poof given that they did show it going away in smoke in the Genjutsu somewhat indicating that it also went pook in real world.

also You do remember that in Sasuke chase arc Naruto was caught in a Genjutsu by Itachi. now correct me if i am wrong but Naruto was specifically meant to be by the side of Yamato and Hinata and whatever ninken was assigned to him. Naruto should not leave their side any time. so at that point Naruto was caught they should be by his side too. they werent. Naruto previously had sent out Kage Bunshin to scout out the area so it should be a clone of Naruto that met Itachi and was caught in the Genjutsu.

Again with the sick Itachi. at this point he wasnt said to be sick. the sickness only came to be during his fight with Sasuke. what was he sick again with?

Oh wow, what a logic..so right now tsukuyomi becomes a fodder move, and sasuke's basic genjutsu is higher. Well Obito and Danzo seems to disagree. And i think everyone else will.

dude i just said Tsukuyomi was used to overpower a Sage powered Genjutsu. in what world does that make it fodder.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: You know they were referring to all his genjutsu..that includes tsukuyomi, so your super elite and below will still get fodderized....oh i forgot you see tsukuyomi as a fodder move.

Again overpowering Sage powered Genjutsu may be fodder to you but not to me.

Also, maybe you missed it out but Itachi so far has only shown he can use Tsukuyomi once. if he doesnt use Amaterasu than probably twice. ALso Tsukuyomi is not shown to affect multiple target at once. it affects one person only. SO at most he can put two people in it.

Tsukuyomi is also not contrlling people. it is making them believe days go by in a mere second.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

I don't see how you can recognize the genjutsu if your surrounding remains the same. Sai fell on his knees dude and was perspiring heavily. Orrrrrrrr i guess you're right, sasuke's basic genjutsu is greater than tsukuyomi but still could'nt defeat sai. Yeah,,,,

Sorrounding never remain the same. even with Diedera when he was controlled and attacked Itachi as he believed he was actually attacking himself. the sorrounding was vastly different from what he imagined.

Also using Genjutsu has a sort of sign. Like the one used in CHunin Exams where feathers fell in and Kurenai changed the sorrounding and Itachi had nailed Orochimaru. the signs are alwyas there as per the use of the Genjutsu.

Dude. i am not comparing basic Genjutsu of Sasuke with Tsukuyomi. i am comparing their basic SHaringan Genjutsu. You are being nitpicky and saying that i am comparing the basic to Tsukuyomi.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: What tier do you think itachi is in? Orochimaru was even in Hokage tier, it's just a damn title. Sharingan couldn't see the hand seals but orochimaru would, because your reason for it being Orochimaru just has the title of sannin. Need i remind you that Orochimaru was studying jutsu's even before he left konoha but still got shit on by a 14 yr or so old itachi's genjutsu.

I see Itachi somewhere at high S-class. i would generaly go by ranking of S class, Kage class and then the Hokage class. now there is little difference between the former two. and just because someone is a Kage or a Hokage does not mean they belong to that level.

Sharinagan didnt see handseals? Itachi had his hands hidden under the cloak. indeed Sharingan can't see that. Itachi used showed one arm with the shuriken to decieve the Jonin, but his other hand was never seen. indeed the hand seals arent going to be seen.

and yes Orochimaru would see through the deception and not seals. the man is a far greater veteran and seen way many battle than Kakashi ever has in his lifetime.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Dubunkend above. LOL and how can the edo tensei be activated without the caster even activating it? lol

Itachi cannot use MS techniques in an instant. that is manga proof. debunked. lol.

I am not who made the vs thread, but the one who did already had the Edo on Orochimaru's side. so he does not need to activate it. duh.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

I'm starting to think that you're 9 years old....

itachi closed his eyes indeed but was also weaving signs, amaterasu doesn't need signs lel. Second part was when he needed to be clearly overpowered by the flames, which is what he was waiting for..i mean what if sasuke had stopped blowing fire midway to caster some other jutsu and bam itachi uses amatersu in that time..he'd be buring his own flames ;_;. Now thirdly we have itachi spamming amaterasu without needing to close his eyes. Edo itachi need not to close his eyes either.soooooo.......

9. you are making an oldie like me blush. i am over 9000 you know.

So he closed his eyes the time he put Kakashi in Tsukuyomi and leter also Sasuke and then used Amaterasu on the toad stomach to create a hole just for fun. RIGGGGHHHTTT.

EDO Itachi doesnot count. the guy unlike his alive self doesnot have to bother about wasting CHakra.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Slow like how it burned gyuki? i'll also state that the rate at which amaterasu burns is inconsistent. Either ways you're correct he'll just substitute from it.

Amaterasu's burning rate in indeed inconsistent. but it was Kishimoto who did that. But as the series progressed it became clear that the slow burning was the norm for Amaterasue.

A's hand not being burnt out. the Samurai still only had his armour on flames and all that.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

9 yr old confirmed...

i am over 9000 actually.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

sorrry m out. You even mentioned down below the ''itachi and kisame retreating from jiraiya bs

Yeah. such a bs. because it so did not happen right. i mean they didnt retreat. they just didnt want to kill Jiraiya because Itachi was oh so loyal to Konoha.

whose the 9 year old now man. you are openly dissing hard manga panels as fales.

EDITTTT...

Also you are nitpicking what you want.

you complete disregard the fact that Orochimaru has levelled up after their first meet.

nothing can kill Orochimaru apart from something that can hollow mountains.

how Itachi is very limited in use of Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi and Susanoo.

How the Edo can easily counter anything Itachi can do to them.

TOtsuka blade, Yata Mirror and Kusanagi... the first is actually a big point of debate from what i carefully read through.

you didnt like that i looked down on Itachi and you decide to call me childish without reading the whole thing. i knew that an Itachi fanboy would come at me, but at least have the decency to read everything properly