Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26822192-20200512085001/@comment-6769189-20200530043658

Frwt wrote:

Those few named people become a lot of names in the course of hystory, an handful of them easily puts the Uchiha as one of the strongets clans, 20 fodder vs 15 fodder and 5 elites goes in great favor of the latter, since the elites will be able to protect their teammates and win the battle with a lot less death, meaning that the survavility rate in the Uchiha clan would be higher ence giving the Uchiha even the number advantage aganist your regular clan of fodder You dont overcome literally every other clan with just a few elites. Even Tobirama was taken out by a bunch of elites. Zabuza was outsmarted by a couple genin. You think the elite senju clan will have much trouble with a clan where only a few ninja are elite?

Frwt wrote:

It is, the clan had to expand with time, it's not like Indra's sons married each other, you can expect that Indra's grandsons were less Uchiha than Indra's sons I mean, prove this happened?

Frwt wrote:

Sasuke is a reincarnation of Indra, by the definition you gave Sarada is one of the few full blown Uchiha, while Sasuke is apparently an Ototsuki, you chose these rules not me Reincarnation in Naruto is about chakra passing through to another person, not genetics. Sasuke is not Otsutsuki. Idk what the hell you mean that i gave because i never said anything about transmigrants being genetically the same as Ashura/Indra.

Naruto/Sasuke are reincarnations. Not clones. They are not like Kaguya/Momoshiki/Ishiki who steal bodies and transform them into their own

Frwt wrote:

Lol wtf, did Indra created himself an Harem of women? Could have. Who knows. Not even going to argue this point because there is no way to prove one way or the other how clan itself was formed

Frwt wrote:

Did he go around putting random girls into genjutsu to breed with them? Why did you have to go and make ot rapey?

Frwt wrote:

And again, doesn't even matter since Sarada is the daughter of Indra's reincarnate Not the daughter of Indra himself

Frwt wrote:

Toad sage said that nature energy takes over you unless you have great chakra reserves, this is not about balancing them, you can't even take it in, he even reaffirms it saying he wouldn't even have brought Naruto there if wasn't for his body Except Orochimaru did even they he didnt have the body for it so... either there was a plothole or poorly done retcon

Frwt wrote:

I'm putting it in a manga scenario, cause as I said Zabuza put up a fight with swords in his back, how would he breathe like that? Tsunade got also fucked up, but she restored her body just after, she didn't get her brain shut down, but with blood loss it would have lost consciousness after a small time, who's cool didn't happen since she repaired the damage Zabuza wasnt stabbed in the heart. Zabuza didnt remove the weapons and cause massive internal external bleading

Tsunade was stabbed and fought and talked a bit before healing herself

Frwt wrote:

It said they were distant blood relatives, chap 500, pag 3 Distant blood releatives, not that they had a direct line to Ashura. The could have been an offshoot of the Senju later on.

Frwt wrote:

We have already him using 5 clones as an edo, in his battle with Oro the latter asks why Hiruzed isn't attacking with clones and the anbu says his chakra level has declined Edo have unlimited chakra. There true evaluation of what Hiruzen can do was shown in the Orochimaru fight.

Frwt wrote:

In a generalistic way tbh, but if we can at least agree that diving one's chakra in multiple clones and casting water without water are on a similiar level of chakra consuption then problem solved The only thing ill agree to that there isn't really a way to measure this one.

Frwt wrote:

Mifune is the one that decides to cut, he uses an object to do so, but he's the one who makes it so something gets cut And if he decides to cut and has no sword, there is no cut

Frwt wrote:

That's strange, cause last time I chekced they were substaining a lake and Konan could split them apart and control their explosion rate Splitting them apart and disguisimg them are arguablyKonan feats. But the explosions are from the paper bombs. This isnt reflective her power. Its reflective of the time she spent gathering them

The sea of paper bombs wasnt born of Konan's body, chakra, or skill. The explosion caused by the bombs were nor dependant on Konan's body, chakra or skill

Frwt wrote:

You don't even have sources to check the statements? Cause the anime differs a bit from the manga, but in any case half-dead or dead, the point is Kurama didn't take Naruto's chakra already from a long time I am cross referencing the anime sub, the wiki, and 2-3 independant manga translations. Even the official manga translation isnt completely reliable. I also now have access to the viz version.

Frwt wrote:

For sure it's not said, it's impossible, how would Kurama stop taking it when Naruto took it? He can only start after Naruto took it Still doesnt prove what you are claiming

What we know is that Kurama had anger and resentment towards Naruto when he defeated him and he didnt start letting that go until he was faced with Obito

Frwt wrote:

No, lauching a sword to your enemy has less force than trusting it in it, pushing it in different ways isn't gonna provide the same force everytime Rasengan's launch is shown be more powerful than the users own pushes/punches

Depending on the the situation the force behind the throw and thrust can vary when it comes to a sword but if in both cases the sword is stabbed through the person down to the hilt then throwing requires more force

The fastest pitch ever is recorded at more than twice the fastest punch. Im no physics expert but it seems that the forces behind throws are generally higher than punches(which is a motion typically used by Rasengan users)

Frwt wrote:

What I didn't get is what makes Minato's rasengan weaker than Naruto's, it's the same jutsu Because Naruto is significantly stronger than Minato

Frwt wrote:

I didn't rely on it, for me that scene makes no sense since if it destroyed the wrist it should've done much more damage to the back, I'm just using it as counterproof to your theory since that uses that feat but in your interpretation ignores a part of it for convenience of the theory So what you are saying is the point of actual contact had almost minimal damage.

Frwt wrote:

Pushing also give friction, so add it to the other two you mentioned and you have more friction than without a push, legit don't get why is this difficoult I dont get why you dont understand that Rasengan's own propulsion and expansion provides more of the friction than the user's arm swing does

Frwt wrote:

Beacause of the arms, Oro asked Tsunade to heal his arms not his body Because the rest of his body hadnt decayed yet. The bodies he steals expire every few years

Frwt wrote:

How would he be able to make sage chakra alone? He used juugo ability for that Even though he cant enter sage mode he can still withstand natural energy taken into his body. Or else he would have died and been eaten by the white snake sage

Frwt wrote:

Were did you get this from? Reserves are referred as a genetic trait No they are not. Some clans or people are born with naturally high reserves, but through training they can attain high reserves maybe not as high as Naruto, but high. Chakra is made through physical and mental energy. The physical energy can be increased through excersize and pjysical conditioning. Mental energy can be increased through meditation and practice. This was explained.

For a practical example. Look at any Part 1 character compared to Part 2. Kakashi had a 4 raikiri limit in part one and about 3 years later was spamming lightning jutsu and Mangekyo jutsu

In part 1 Sasuke could use Chidori twice a day without Curse Mark. In his Part 2 debut he used 3 Chidori/Chidori variants and was going to use Kirin. During the 5 kage summit used Susanoo for an extended period of time, multiple Blaze Release, and Chidori

Frwt wrote:

While training also playes a factor, everything is influenced by genetic, Naruto got the hang of the balance very quickly while Jiraiya even in his old age never got to balance the nature energy properly That has nothing to do with genetics. That is a skill. Just because Naruto picked it up easier doesnt mean he has better genetics. The series never made that connection so im not sure why you are.

Babyfriend1 wrote:

The author didn't draw or write indra having 50 children that all did mass inbreeding Im not saying he did. Im saying its more likely. Im also not using it to back my argument. There is no way to say one way or the other what happened and to try to say either thing did happen is a fallacy.

Babyfriend1 wrote:

or him not doing it but 0% of characters have done that that we know of so it's probably a rarity at best 0 percent of characters we know the full story of were the progeneraters of a clan. All im saying is that the Uchiha seem to be fairly pure bred. Almost all of them have identical features. The Hyuga clan had a system in place well to maintain genetic purity and almost all of them had identical features.

Babyfriend1 wrote:

and yet with absolutely no indication that indra was more likely to have done it than anyone else in the sample, you want to go ahead and say that most likely he did it when everything we know implies this would be extremely improbable. I would love to know what "everything we know" (in another thread) is because there is nothing i can think of in the series that says inter-clan relationships were common back in the day when most of the world was divided by clans. Inter-village relationships were bearely a thing at the end of Part 2