Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33390047-20171108150121/@comment-734582-20171108202419

MightAbdul wrote: I feel like this is necessary because a lot of people downplay jiraiya. Nagato mentioned that had Jiraiya known his secret, he would've lost. Naruto on the other hand knew Pain's secret and even then still needed to break out Kurama AND get assistance from Minato's ghost to break even.

SM Jiraiya is stronger than SM Naruto vs Pain.