Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36019309-20190114073523/@comment-35409024-20190126115903

BrainBrand wrote: I'm using it how Kakashi used moment here: "Unh...I see in 3 days and less than a moment has passed in this one." Just replace moment with instant. Why would I do that? A minute can mean instant as well. So I get to replace moment with minute with that logic. Moment can mean a variety of things from instant, second, nanosecond, short time, minute, as i clearly proved. You don't get to pick and choose which one. Kakashi clearly said instantly in his statement about Itachi having "you instantly". Instantly means 0 seconds. Therefore he is not talking about Tsukuyomi's illusion since Tsukuyomi's time frame is not defined clearly. And if @Jason is correct, then it still isn't right because a nanosecond happens. You have no proof that Tsukuyomi happens as fast as FTG's teleportation.

I read this on Dictionary.com: "A minute, properly denoting 60 seconds, is often used loosely for any very short space of time (and may be interchangeable with second ): I'll be there in just a minute."

Minute doesn't always mean 60 seconds. So in Kakashi's case, he likely meant less than a moment/instant/second passed. Not proving your case about Tsukuyomi happening in 0 seconds. A minute isn't always 60 seconds. And it ain't always a second. So...

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: tf.. Did you seriously think i'm talking about normal genjutsu? the entire discussion is about tsukuyomi. Did you not seriously say "Killer Bee couldn't break basic genjutsu" which I replied with "Do you have a direct quote or a case from Kishimoto that says/or shows Bee is still clueless when it comes too Genjutsu?" which you replied with "What makes you think he'll devise a genjutsu counter measure" Hmm, looks clear as day we're talking about Bee being able to break Genjutsu in general. You keep posting the statements by kishimoto about the uchiha's breaking tsukuyomi, yet Killer Bee isn't an Uchiha with the sharingan so why ohhhhhhh wyyyyyyyyyyy are you having so much trouble in just saying he can't beat tsukuyomi? you're just very thinly denying the authors statements.I never said that you said he can break it, it's just that you're not accepting that he can't...My proof is the same databook statement you keep using. What's yours? Again, concurrently means at that time. Which means only Elite Uchiha up to chapter 244 could break Tsukuyomi. Anyone introduced or improved after that chapter is fair game since the 2nd Databook only covers up to chapter 244. So I don't need proof.

What the hell is in the quotation marks..i dont understand. What does it prove? Don't play innocent. You clearly said I never mentioned at that time, that i kept saying that the elite sharingan wielders can break it, and only that. I clearly proved you were lying by showing you i not only said at that time, but you quoted me in saying it 3 days prior. Nice try. still it doesn't change the fact that 'at that time' wasn't mentioned by Itachi or Kishimoto. '''Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labeled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors''' is the full text from the dbook, the use of concurrently (meanings: At the same time/Simultaneously) refers to the very few first lines of the writer speaking about sharingan needing to cast tsukuyomi and it also being the jutsu's weakness. To put it simply "The Sharingan is needed to cast tsukuyomi, at the same time the jutsu can be broken also by the sharingan" is how i see it. That's very true. It can mean that. You should take that up with War. But i could care less who is right or wrong. My only point is Tsukuyomi is not unbreakable. I couldn't give a shit if Bee can break it or not. If me not saying he can't or can bothers you, oh well. Get over it. I like how you're (trying poorly) to come at me with funk when it was Brain who brought it up and left the details out and i was the one showing what he left out. Nice try. But it ain't working. Learn how to read and know what you're talking about before you butt in. Brain clearly said the Japanese coloured version of the manga has Asuma saying "as soon as itachi finished speaking Kakashi dropped"..and it has Kakashi saying that that it was only a "moment" that passed (focus on words with quotation marks).... I clearly show what Asuma said and said this shows us everything we need to know, proving him wrong. He clearly said Kakashi said moment. Why the hell do I need to post what Kakashi said if Brain already said he said moment? Did I ever deny Kakashi said moment? Did I argue that he didn't say moment? So exactly what is convenient about posting an image of something someone already said happened? Get over yourself, lol. The exact statement of the speed of tsukuyomi in the novel isone one-hundredth of one one-thousandth of one one-millionth of that of the real world 1/100,000,000,000th of a second and to back this up Kakashi in the ORIGINAL manga said that i see....three days in that realm and LESS than a moment passed in this one.So it's definitely not exact instant but just still under a second is what i'll agree to now. Even if we were to somehow ignore this and work with asuma's statement do know that Kakashi has to take time to drop to the ground, which makes asuma's statement less reliable to get the exact speed of tsukuyomi in this case. All that aside, with that much speed, do remember Itachi wasn't trying to kill him... I could continue arguing, but i already won. My argument is that it does not happen instantly. All you're doing is saying I'm right. So no point.
 * Yoou showed a scan that was convenient to your argument in which you were saying tsukuyomi is 1 sec or more, with the scan supporting your argument when asuma said one sec itachi was talking and next sec kakashi dropped, yayyyy. Smart move. But not a fair one.
 * In the manga Obito stated that Itachi killed his girlfriend, and he indeed did so in the novel. Kishimoto isn't a novelist, he's just a manga artist so that should explain it.