Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-37265641-20181022021850/@comment-34194151-20181102020847

I can throw that right back at you.

Quit downplaying itachi. He is a genius of all three shinobi forms of combat, by feats and statements. he has a fast sword of sealing that most characters can't react to, a shield that deflects most attacks.He was stated to be invincible sufficient he has the yata mirror and totsuka blade, said by Black Zetsu himself, the will of Kaguya,one of the most ancient and knowledgable sources of information in the series, someone who has watched madara and hashirama fight for decades. Itachi one shotted nagato and orochimaru without a mental reaction. Naruto fans need to stop downplaying itachi's feats. his only practical weakness as a shinobi is his pitiful stamina, but it's just enough for him to execute his win condition against over 90 percent of the cast, but otherwise he obviously can't maintain susano'o forever. Kishimoto reinforced that  itachi is absolutely top tier at every turn of the manga, so why the downplay? How is Black Zetsu's statements on top of everything else not enough for people? He is on obito's level, period.

Lol no, you can't even tell me where obito was all those years. Prove that Itachi could find him all alone in a dark alley when clearly that wasn't the case. The akatsuki members mostly travel in pairs, and itachi and obito had an agreement. Kisame is with itachi the whole time, and kisame is loyal to obito. so what happens when itachi tells kisame, oh, I want to go and find tobi. they find him, and all of a sudden itachi starts trying to kill tobi. tobi reveals that he is actually "madara" to kisame, and kisame immediately understands that itachi has to go if he is trying to kill "madara". then suddenly, itachi has to fight both kisame and obito, which is not a good matchup for itachi. Obito was clearly cautious of itachi, the manga made that clear. when itachi was about to die, the akatsuki still consisted of pain, konan, and kisame. obito could simply run away while having kamui turned on and retreat to the rain village, where he can inform nagato that itachi is a traitor. what then? Itachi literally has to defect from the akatsuki, defeating the whole purpose of his mission. you also convienetly ignore itachi's other motives, which directly clashed with his mission. he wanted to die, period. he also wanted to die being labeled a traitor, so he is limited in how he could go about things. he didn't want konoha finding out that he was actually a good guy, did you somehow miss that entire portion of the manga? he wanted sasuke to be a hero for "killing him".

@drawingblank except itachi already defeated nagato with low difficulty. nagato can't react to totsuka when itachi gets serious, period. Obito would get clone feinted by an exploding shadow clone as obito materializes, and the blade finishes him off. obito would be a tough battle, but itachi can pull it off with high difficulty, depending on which obito we are talking. With kisame by his side, itachi's terminal illness is irrelevant. Samehada is shown to give stamina to people, Kisame could convince it to lend itachi chakra. samehada is not opposed to giving people other than kisame chakra, as we have seen in the canon. and sorry, nagato also isn't "decrypting" tsyukyomi either. It's also debateable whether or not obito could break tsykuyomi. Obito doesn't get sasuke's feat, because one, sasuke had experience being trapped in it before, and two, that happened in a fight where we know itachi was putting on a act/holding back, so again, debateable.

and nah, the immortal duo can't beat deidara and sasori. Deidara is too smart and has the perfect tools to deal with their immortality. kakazu may be highly experienced but he has been prone to being outsmarted by relatively creative shinobi, even the likes of izumo and kotetsu. kakazu beat them in the end but let's not forget they took him off guard with their homing projectile's mobility and syrup trap. Deidara is capable of taking out all his masks in one blow via C3 + c4 wombo combo. the only thing that keeps kakazu in the fight is raiton: gian, but deidara is now experienced in fighting raiton users, and he has sasori to help him take out the raiton mask. after that, deidara finishes kakazu, and sasori + deidara is too much for hidan.

and Kisame is certainly stronger than you gave him credit for. You can clearly see that by the end of the series, kisame became a very shrewd fighter and is highly experienced. he tanked hirudora and on his deathbed still overpowered mokuton constraints designed to suppress his chakra. ignoring Zetsu, Kisame with samehada is most certainly the strongest akatsuki member behind itachi, obito, and nagato. Daikodan also takes a huge poop in most people, Might Guy was simply a bad matcup for kisame. Kisame literally can drain people dry, has bijuu levels of strength and chakra, and he doesn't get tired. you need incredible speed, power, or one shot hax to deal with him effectively. Might Guy, one of kisame's worst matchups, literally need the 6th gate to put down a thirty percent clone of kisame, enough said, and even in might guy's final battle he needed the 7 gate to defeat a kisame without samehada, which is a crippled kisame in my book.