Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180902062147

AsianReaper wrote: ... No? It just means 6PSM gives him a bigger boost than half of Kurama lol.

The boost comes from the 9 biju chakra he had at the time. That boost doesn’t come from hagoromo’ chakra as hokage Naruto still has hagoromo’ chakra yet he doesn’t produce and juubi chakra nor has he spawned any TSOs.

That boost was rikudo senjutsu.

LegionZero wrote: 6 Paths Chibaku Tensei is a 6 Paths Senjutsu technique and they used that on the Juubi to seal it away

Rikudo CT uses rikudo senjutsu, but it’s a technique of hagoromo’ not the juubi’. It’s a rikudo technique. The juubi would t make a jutsu specifically to defeat itself.

CombatIQmatters wrote: @Hagoromo

Hagoromo appeared in naruto's conciousness after naruto had juubi chakra, so yes naruto achieved ridoku senjutsu. he has access to ridoku senjutsu as long as he has the 9 tailed beast chakra. Sasuke didn't get ridoku senjutsu because he wasn't given the juubi chakra. He was given ridoku chakra, and naruto also got ridoku chakra. Ridoku senjutsu =/= six paths sage mode. naruto's ridoku chakra granted him the ability to use six paths sage mode, which he can use in base as he clearly used it to deflect madara's TSO. Naruto's six paths senjutsu gives him the truth seeking orbs and the ability to enhance his kurama chakra cloak and give it a design similar to that of the juubi jinchuriki. Obito and madara had six paths senjutsu, not six paths sage mode. The naming convention is confusing but they are separate things.

You go from saying Naruto achieved rikudo senjutsu and implied he received rsm afterwards. Then you say he used rsm in base. That’s a contradiction. Having rikudo senjutsu isn’t being in base. When Naruto woke up, he kicked the TSO that was meant to end guy. Data says it requires greater power that half kurama, so already Naruto level of power is rising. This continues as I mentioned before until he does enter rsm. Madara recognizes his increased power as rikudo senjutsu.

That makes it clear that Naruto was producing juubi chakra for the specific purpose to enter rsm.

Furthermore this process isn’t much different when Naruto needed time to gather senjutsu and enter sage mode during pain arc. You wouldn’t have said Naruto was in sage mode while he was gathering the energy to enter that sage mode, yet that’s exactly what you’re doing for rsm. If you read the bottom of the OP, no one is saying hagoromo didn’t give him rsm, but just as hagoromo acknowledged all 9 biju inside Naruto he knew that rsm could take that power further. Naruto soon after wakes up and begins putting all 9 biju chakra to work. After enough juubi chakra was produced he enters rsm.

LegionZero wrote: Hagoromo appeared to Naruto before he had Gyuuki and Shukkaku's chakra. 6 Paths Senjutsu and 6 Paths Sage Mode are basically the same thing. SPSM doesnt seem to require using the Juubi to use SP Senjutsu.

That isn’t true. By the time hagoromo decided to give Naruto power he was greatest by each biju’ chakra inside him. This is power existed in Naruto before hagoromo gave him rsm. Not only did Naruto have the mentality that deems him worthy of rsm, but he had the means to achieve the juubi’ chakra which is what rsm uses.

There is no example of sage mode in Naruto that doesn’t require senjutsu BEFORE entering it. Rsm’ senjutsu is juubi chakra, rikudo senjutsu. Unless you believe that kishimoto threw all the mechincs for sage modenout the window during the war arc. Which he didn’t.

So like I said, if it's logical that sages need have senjutsu present prior to entering sage mode, why isn’t it also logical that rikudo sages need to have rikudo senjutsu prior to entering rsm?