User talk:ShounenSuki/Archive 2010 Q4

Yasha the Night Demon
"Yashamaru's name, 夜叉丸, is composed of three Kanji. The first two, Yasha (夜叉) refer to creatures in Japanese mythology known as "Night Demons" (also known as Yaksha)." - trivia from Yashamaru page.

Could you please tell me about these creatures, the Night Demons? I can't find anything about them. --Kiadony (talk) 11:26, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you see, there it only says about Yaksha as the spirits of nature, but no mention of 'Night Demons' anywhere. I've Googled it, too. There seem to be nothing specifically describing Yaksha/Yasha in Japanese mythology. --Kiadony (talk) 12:15, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Forum Questions
I have been trying to post some questions i had on hep desk and i coulnd they were always being removed why???

User Page
At what point can I make my own? GoldenTopaz (talk) 04:42, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * So not just general information about myself for a while then, okay. Though how does the "worthy editor" part get decided? GoldenTopaz (talk) 17:15, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Picture File Link
Not sure if you can, but could you help reroute the "minigun" part in the "Lars Alexandersson" page to the new photo I recently uploaded: File:203676 naruto-shippuden-ultimate-ninja-storm-2.jpg

My Edits
Do you know why all my edits have been reseted ?--Blaublau (talk) 16:01, October 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh..Sorry but thanks..I was a little confused here about the password but now i'm fine, thanks anyway. I will delet this account I created--KIWIBOλ (talk) 16:24, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

TimeLine
I am interested in adding User:ShounenSuki/Timeline as a replacement for "Events" in the navigation. How far from being able to be put in the regular namespace is it? S im A nt 20:45, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well if others are taking over anyway, might as well move it to the main namespace. I'd advise separating the parts without references to at the bottom of the page, for people to add when they get references. would that be okay with you? S im A nt  23:28, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * You won't mind if I helped out with the timeline, would you? --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 14:22, October 16, 2010 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

10+10=20
Hulu is a American site I think? So if you think the 10/10/10 this is stupid I understand. Viz america is also pushing the 10/10/10 aswell as Disney. I think its the 10th year in America thats why their making a big deal of itTwinRisingDragons (talk) 19:37, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

yea ,but test of ninja came out in 2000 ,and America always dose stuff different. Plus it may be that they aired the anime subbed in america in 2000 or their doing naruto's 17th birthday. IDK why all the fuss I just go with the flow.Also what do you think about the list of episodes chosen should their be any mention of this at all? Im talking about the top 20 episodes. TwinRisingDragons (talk) 20:33, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Test of ninja was the first Naruto manga Graph Novel which are popular in the USA. It combines the manga chapters in to volumes.TwinRisingDragons (talk) 23:38, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Homophone jutsu
First Yamato's Wood Release, now Kurotsuchi's Water Release. Should we take that Kishimoto is making new jutsu with different kanji from exactly the same sound as previous jutsu? If we keep Kurotsuchi's Water Release as a technique of its own, shouldn't we keep Yamato's as well? It does have raw confirmed different kanji. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:09, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Favor?
Hey, Suki-senpai, I was wondering if you do me a small favor. But first, I was wondering...How good are you with translation from Japanese to English? I heard you translated almost every Naruto Databook out there, inculding several other things I don't know about.-- Ninja Sheik  22:37, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

So...Will you help with it? You can read Japanese characters, right? You see...For a long time, I was trying to to find the English translation for these two small doujinshis, but I decided to give up after a while. But recently, I decided to give a shot again, but I still have no luck. So...I was wondering if you can help with this and this. Can you help me, pretty please?

You gotta start at the bottom and them move your way up. You can stop at the colored picture of Orochimaru and Jiraiya for the first one link. I'm only interested in Orochimaru and Anko. I asked another friend of mine of the KH-Wiki to do it, but he never answered me. So, will you help me?-- Ninja Sheik  22:51, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Three doujinshis, actually. One doujinshi features Jiraiya and Anko talking about her and Orochimaru. The second one shows Orochimaru and Anko dieing while discussing their past (and I totally went "Aww!" at their expressions), and the third one features Orochimaru and Sasori coming across Anko when she's injured.

And yay! Thank you, senpai!-- Ninja Sheik  23:02, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

So you were busy! Geez...You could've just told me, instead of making me worried you forgot your promise to me. If you're busy, that's fine. I understand. We all have our own schools and jobs to go to. No biggie. Just let me know when you're done.

Oh yeah, did you get my other message above? I got my hands on the Naruto Offcial Fanbook, so you won't have to translate them anymore. You can ask me for help. But just to be sure, the fanbook has a picture of Kakashi and Naruto on the front, right?-- Ninja Sheik  21:40, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

It is in English! Believe it! Tee hee hee! It was a lot of fun to read, but man--I had a huge headache when I was finished. Too much reading can be for some people! I got on Sunday, October 31, and I wanted to tell everyone on the wiki about it, but I didn't want to sound conceited. I also didn't know how to tell someone.

But then I remember you do translation, and so I thought, "Hmm...What kind I do for Suki-senpai in return for translating the doujinshis I want?". And then it came to me! I remember you do translation and that's why I came to offer you my assitance, if you want it, of course!

Oh, and thank you, Suki-senpai! Now I can replace the Japanese content with your translation!-- Ninja Sheik  21:54, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

The Lava vs. Dissolving again...
I know this was basically brought up and settled before, but I've also been forced to rethink some ideas. I also studied Japanese before, and I can read most Japanese versions of manga, but I think you probably know more. I see that it was decided there was basically no difference in meaning between 熔 and 溶 in "lava". Although the Japanese language hs changed over time and many consider the two the same and use 溶 over 熔, I think in more older times, the kanji 溶 meant dissolving, and therefore "chemical melting", while the kanji 熔 meant melting by heat, and therefore "physical melting". Of course, the manga Naruto is being written in this century, and the kanji 溶 has taken both meanings in the present time. When this confusion with Rōshi and Mei happened, I decided to think "Kishi is just going to switch to using 溶 from now on", and that did not seem unusual to me at that point, and I left it at that. However, recently, as many others may have noticed, a third user, Kurotsuchi, appeared and used the Lava Release: Quicklime Congealing Technique, which spread what seems to be alkaline lime powder over an area. When I checked Ohana's post, it was listed as 熔遁, which struck me. What if Kishi was trying to make a difference between the two? Although we have little information on how there is one tailed beast skill user from Iwagakure, one kekkei genkai user from Kirigakure, and one kekkei genkai user from Iwagakure, all using what seems to be the same element, I saw something else. While Rōshi and the Four-Tails were mentioned to use lava, and did so in the anime, and Kurotsuchi used a slightly related substance, lime, I don't remember the Mizukage's element being referred to as lava, and it only had a similar shape to what people imagined as lava. I also remember the name of the technique she used being a pun on "dissolving"(溶解? Yōkai... by the way, please tell me how to undo stuff, it's changed a lot... the page for Lava Release: Melting Apparition Technique seems to be blank.). I'm thinking when Kishi used the kanji "溶", he was referring to a word that has that kanji in it, other than lava (probably that "dissolving" I just mentioned), because while the most common word 熔 is used in is "lava", 溶 can be applied to so much more and "lava" is not always the first thing people think of when they see that kanji. Although this may be unrelated, in Korean hanja, it traditionally means "sticky water flowing slowly", while modern language uses it for the same purpose ("dissolving") as in Japanese. I'm also thinking this character (in other languages, too, such as Chinese and Japanese) may have come from this root meaning of "sticky liquid" before it was applied to modern science, and maybe Kishi was aware of that, and applied it to Mei's Yōkai no Jutsu's appearance. However, for me, this is not without my own doubts. If it is indeed a different element, it will mean that it may be Earth+Water instead of Earth+Fire, as the Mizukage has Earth, Water, and Fire. If this happens, Kishi might begin to say things such as Water+Earth is Solvent, while Earth+Wood is Wood, which I would personally dislike. However, as I have not read the raw yet, I have no idea if Ohana made a slight mistake. I also heard rumours of a "Bakuton"... which I wouldn't like, either. Anyway, on the subject, I believe two pages, one for Iwagakure's Lava, (熔遁,熔岩/溶岩), and another one for Kirigakure's Dissolving, (溶遁,溶解), would be a nice idea. I'm not trying to begin a furious debate, only trying to see things from a neutral standpoint until things are cleared up. --GoDai (talk) 02:22, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

I understand. And thanks for reading all that. Right now, I'm just thinking maybe Masashi Kishimoto wants to keep using 溶 in 溶岩, but refer to the element as 熔 if he has to shorten it to one kanji, if you know what I mean. He may be assigning "codenames" just to say one is from Iwagakure, and the other is from Kiri, etc., Even if they don't have a meaning difference, he may be just saying "Since I have to shorten it to one kanji to write x遁, I'll use 熔 or the 溶岩 element, and use 溶 for the 溶解 element, even though I'll still write Lava like 溶岩." Other than that, I guess we'll leave it as Trivia, and the Third Databook is also being quite confusing when it refers to Rōshi's Lava as 溶遁 in his article but again refers to it as 熔遁 in the glossary. But to me, Kishi saying the Iwagakure characters use lava and lime (volcanic substances?) while making a pun on dissolving(溶解) with the Lava Release: Melting Apparition Technique is him trying to say the two are different in such a way, and also suggests the Third Databook article problem was a mistake because the two are too similar, even for him. Also, what site on the internet is fastest in releasing raws? I want to read the Japanese version for the Lava confusion as well as the Deidara "Bakuton" rumour. --GoDai (talk) 19:16, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Haha I see. In the story aspect, I'm assuming some Kekkei Genkai originate from the Tailed Beasts, and one of the previous Jinchūriki of the Four-Tailed Monkey became the first user of the element as well as the person who allowed his offspring to use the same element, and therefore led to Kurotsuchi among other unknown characters. I'm thinking this because of the Ten-Tailed Beast's "Sharin'negan", which some fans assume gave the Sage of the Six Paths his Rinnegan, as well as Gaara's case where the One-Tailed Shukaku's powers cannot be taken away from him. Oh I forgot to ask. Does Ohana's Spoiler say Kurotsuchi is Ōnoki's granddaughter? What if she is some previous Tsuchikage's granddaughter? I can see Ōnoki is seemingly old enough to fit the role, but I'm having a little confusion with her Lava Release "kekkei genkai" and his Dust Release kekkei genkai. Also, even though I wouldn't like it, the Explosion nature, "Bakuton" seems to be quite real, as I can't find a reason to why Ohana would call it an element otherwise. I guess we'll wait for the raw for that one. --GoDai (talk) 19:51, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm now I'm starting to think Rōshi is her grandparent... but not sure yet. It may be a family member of a previous Four-Tails Jinchūriki, or it might just turn into a thing where they have some technique to steal other's kekkei genkai... but hope not. I think I'm tired, excuse my nonsense. --GoDai (talk) 01:56, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oh my god... why would Kishi do this... I hope he's being smart when he's doing this... So, is there a page on this Explosion Release? Do we have confirmation that it is the same as Exploding Clay? Can I add it to Nature Transformation?

Kabuto new Techniques
Due the Kabuto's appearance when he captured Yamato (similar to Orochimaru), do you think he might possess the fushi tensei ?

Re: My Apologies
No need to apologize friend. I just wanted to nip it in the bud real quick before it devolved into a unneeded flame war with crazy Christians and none believers popping out of the wood works yelling at each other. I've seen it many times and many times it makes me wonder why humanity has survived the few million years we have been dominant on this planet.
 * That being said, I like the idea of Jesus being bodisattva. Who knows, he may have been. Ha ha.--TheUltimate3~The User King~ 01:07, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Explosion Release debacle
If it does turn out to be a nature, wouldn't it be an advanced nature? If so, you'd have to add the little extra pointy corners to the icon. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:03, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Was the kanji wrong the first time? It's different now. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:53, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Signature techniques
Do in databooks only some characters have listed signature techniques?--LeafShinobi (talk) 19:47, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--LeafShinobi (talk) 20:29, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Table Problem
Due to Wikia's new style, the table on my Naruto Shippuden Animation Credits page is screwed up since it no longer fits correctly. I just wanted to ask if you have any ideas for a new table format I can use to make it look acceptable again. If you can think of one, just show me an example of the format and I'll apply it to the page.

My idea was to simply remove the Kanji names from the table to make it fit, as I doubt they are actually useful to anyone. But apparently Dantman didn't like that and reverted it back, and now I can't think of another way to fix it.

Insane111 (talk) 09:13, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Headline text
Hello, sir/ma'am my name is Marcus, sorry I would state your name/sex but I didnt see you reveal neither one on your profile so please excuse me if i'm being rude. But i wrote you, to ask if u could upload the picture I uploaded of Sasuke Uchiha from the Naruto Shippuden anime when he first activated his sharingan on the Sasuke Uchiha page please. I know your the one who put the current picture on there in the first place, but i'm askin if u cud put mine on there instead because 1. it depicts what the seen looks like (color, appearance), and 2. honestly, i don't know how to haha. But it would be very appreciated sir/ma'am, please respond to my message when u can, thank you.

Dust definition
I realize most consider "塵" as simple dust, and therefore Dust Release to be Earth + Wind. I'm also one of these people, but I was just considering the possiblity of Earth + Lightning, which also makes sense in terms of appearance (Storm, Lightning + Water, was "fluid lightning", so this may be "solid lightning"?). What does this kanji mean exactly nowadays? I think I read in the discussion that a word for "molecule" has this in it (微塵; tiny dust?), but I just want the exact definition, because there are several other kanji for dust, I believe. --GoDai (talk) 23:17, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah... in terms of effects, the molecular pulverization seems similar to the cellular breakdown effect of Wind Release: Rasenshuriken, but the appearance of the jutsu seem Lightning-based, in a way similar to Storm Release. When Akatsuchi grabbed the Tsuchikage and canceled his "Dust Release: Dust Cone Technique", it "diffused" into the air, making it look like one of those old TVs when they turn off. But since most elemental releases are based on name, it's most likely that it's Earth+Wind, correct? --GoDai (talk) 04:40, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Undo?
How do you undo things? I'm seeing some annoying edits made by mistaken users and Wikia contributors. --GoDai (talk) 04:53, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, figured it out ^^ --GoDai (talk) 05:07, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Sasuke Uchiha
Can you see what is up with the Sasuke article? Under his weapons list there seems to be a repeat of his Sword of Kusanagi. I have attempted to fix it but to no avail. Could you see if you could remedy it? 08:55, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

遁?
We have been using "release" for a long time, but what does it mean by that? I believe the most common meaning for this kanji is "flee" or "escape"(Transparent Escape Technique... sound like that of an element), but I have never seen it used in everyday speech, I think. I think I've seen a word which has that kanji in it, and means "disguise" or "tranformation", like that of a ninja, which could be similar in meaning to "henka" in Seishitsu Henka (Nature Transformation). What does it mean by "release"? --GoDai (talk) 23:28, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Besides the above, can you help me translate this: ? Here, they seem to list the two Youton as differnt Kekkei Genkai, and list several other differences I cannot clearly make out by myself. --GoDai (talk) 03:13, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm I see what you mean with the "Release"s but wouldn't that mean "Style" would be a fair translation as well? I understand what's going on with the Youton, and I'm guessing the difference and similarities of the two are natural to the Japanese, and they most likely don't have to discuss and debate like we do. Also, I remember someone asked something like "What if the creators of Naruto Shippūden 3: Inheritors of the Will of Fire went to Kishi and asked, "What new elemental recopositions are you considering for Naruto?" and he answered "Ranton and Jinton" without writing it down, then the movie creators created Ranton, but created Jinton(迅) instead of Jinton(塵)?" Is this truely possible? Although it is unlikely that they did not ask about the details of each nature, but maybe they didn't really care about what exactly they made, considering the effects of these elements? --GoDai (talk) 01:09, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

I guess so. I was considering the possiblity of "Meiton" and "Kouton" coming from Kishi, but in different kanji: Dark(冥; underworld, gloomy, e.g. 冥王星: Pluto), Light(明;Bright), or Sound(鳴; Cry/Roar/Scream) based for "Mei", and Light(光) or Steel(鋼) based for "Kou", but I guess that's less likely then. I'm considering any kanji related to "雷"(combinations with Wind, Earth, and Fire are unknown), and a combination for 火+風. I'm hypothesizing that a nature has to make sense in "the combination has to make sense in kanji (e.g. Storm is clouds and rain, Water, and Lightning)" and "it also has to make sense in effect/appearance (e.g. Storm shoots electrical beams that "flow like water")." Therefore, I'm going with Earth+Wind for Dust as originally planned (土+雷=塵 makes less sense in general), but I can't seem to come up with "general" terms related to Lightning, besides Magnetism(with Earth), and Light(with Fire?). I'm thinking if I tune my brain like Kishi's, I might be able to think on a different angle ^^. --GoDai (talk) 07:19, October 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I'm always thinking that Advanced Nature Transformations are the 2 chakra properties(性質; nature) happening at once, so I'm thinking the "divide your chakra into two and grind it until it becomes thin and sharp as possible" and "increasing the vibration frequencies of your chakra" at the same time for Wind+Lightning. I believe it'll be something like a vibrating, slicing, supersonic wave that can cut through anything (considering Wind and Lightning for Chakra Flow, this combination would be ideal), and maybe a sound-based paralysis similar to the Vibrating Sound Drill and a shock-wave attack much like gust/force-based Wind Release techniques. As for the name, I'm trying to think of something that sounds traditionally or generally is related to Wind and Lighnting. --GoDai (talk) 23:03, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Translation
Sorry for the inconvenience, but I would ask to help me in translating this technique: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Body-Splitting_Technique

--Joca101 (talk) 18:07, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Será que você poderia traduzir o nome da técnica " Body-Splitting Technique " para Romanji ?

Link: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Body-Splitting_Technique --Joca101 (talk) 21:25, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Could you please translate the jutsu "body-splitting technique" to japanese? --Joca101 (talk) 21:37, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

HI GUYS AM NEW!!!!!!!
If I can help in any thing let me know, I have a great knowledge in Naruto so I can be a great help. --Sharingan Itachi (talk) 21:58, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Check-Up
Good afternnon, Suki-senpai! I just wanted to see if you finish translating the three doujinshis I linked to your page! I want to let you know that you don't have to rush to get it finish in a week, and I hope you're having fun reading them while translating them!-- Ninja Sheik  16:18, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

A week has passed, Suki-senpai. You never answer my last message, so I got kinda worried. Are you sick or something? I haven't see you around in the last couple of days. If you're not finish, you can just tell me. I'll understand. I don't to stress you or anything.-- Ninja Sheik  18:44, November 1, 2010 (UTC)

Preferrable Kanji Help
I have a good imagination of the theorized natures, I just need kanji that are traditionally/generally related to their components (not necesarily by the effects of the natures seen). I'm thinking Kishi is trying to make the natures sound "simplified" or "traditional", in the way that people of ancient Japan (in the time of actual ninjas) would have known of (Therefore, Bright fluid energy became "Storm", Acid/Corrosive vapor/mist became "Boil", and Molecules became "Dust"). But of course, there's the chance that there is no such pattern at all. I believe I'm having difficulty because there is a very limited number of Lightning-related kanji due to the fact that the people of ancient Asia did not have much knowledge of lightning. Storm was preferrable because there is lightning in a storm, but I do not see other fair connections, and even Storm was too vague in connection (due to the Wind kanji in it...). --GoDai (talk) 03:41, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 光 sems to be related to both 火 and 雷, but it doesnt really seem like something like a combination, but rather "somthing in common". Maybe something that looks like fireworks? Fireworks are like fire, and they split and divide much like lightning.
 * 金, 鋼, 鐵, 磁, and other metal- or magnetism-related kanji could make sense for 土 and 雷 (either refining or magnetism), but I'm trying to think of a name that sounds "traditional". How does "針" for "compass" or "lightning rod" sound? Or does it simply mean "needle"...
 * 蒸氣 sounds related to 火 and 風 in a way similar to the compressed steam engine, given that Fire+Water=Boil already taken. Any other kanji related to both? I am not in favor of a "bigger fire", because that is available via normal techniques, and there would be no Wind characteristic at all.
 * 迅 seems very close to 雷 and 風 as in 迅雷 and 疾風迅雷. However, it doesn't really sound like an element, although Kishi could use it and make it look more like an element, like "fast shockwaves" or something similar. I really can't find another kanji realted to both.

Arc
Do you think it is time for a new arc, or is it still in the realm of confining the Jinchuuriki arc? S im A nt 23:12, November 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Probably would have been better to ask this in the Confining the Jinchūriki Arc talk page, but I would say this is the first chapter of whatever the next arc will be.--TheUltimate3 ~The User King ~ 23:14, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

Updated Geography Map
Will you please update the geography map? Page 12 of the new chapter shows a drawing of the world map, and has 4 additional lands on it; rock, mist, hot spring, and valleys, though it seems strange that there is now a Land of Mist, since there is already a Hidden Mist village--SkyFlicker (talk) 22:55, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

chakra nature release
someones probably already mentioned these but this is what i would guess is what happens

dust = wind + earth swift = lightning + wind steel = lightning + earth crystal = kekkei genkai dark = probably a variation of yin/yang release

515 Clarification
Uhm just a few thing I'd like for you to clear up when the RAW for this chapter come out because of conflicting translations and stuff. I'll just leave this here before i forget. ◘ The section with Team Anko: did the Aburame Kunoichi call the bugs hers as well as what she said about Tokuma's Byakugan exactly. Yeah i think that's it --Cerez365 (talk) 22:12, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please remember this tidbit when you're translating ^_^ --Cerez365 (talk) 05:40, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks~ --Cerez365 (talk) 00:32, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Female Aburame jar
In chapter 515, there's a side view of a jar near her, similar to the one Shibi Aburame has. There's some kanji in it, can see what it is? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:12, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

New Zombie?
Can you identify the summoned shinobi on the left side of Hizashi?--KIWIBOλ (talk) 02:21, November 8, 2010 (UTC)