Talk:Uchiha Clan Downfall

Okay, so somehow tell me how the following is irrelevant to the page. The page is discussing how, after the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox incident, some people looked at the Uchiha with suspicion because a fully matured Sharingan could exert some influence over the Nine-Tails. Shouldn't it also be added as a sidenote, in parenthesis even, that the Shodai Hokage's Wood Release, which remains alive in Yamato, also is capable of affected the Demon Fox? We are talking about what can affect it and how it changed people's perceptions. --Justentizang (talk) 17:32, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * But Yamato cannot force the fox to destroy a village. In addition, Konoha obviously did not suspect a ten-year-old to be involved in the incident. To mention Yamato would be like mentioning the pre-Konoha history of the Uchiha, as it is loosely relevant in the whole Uchiha v Senju tragedy of the affair. ~SnapperTo 17:36, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Gee, must be nice to be a moderator, huh? You can do whatever the hell you want and screw everyone else over.  Anyways, the pre-Konoha founding period should also be mentioned, since we're detailing all the things that led up to the Uchiha's dissent with the village, which eventually led to this massacre.  But forget it, I'm done here; you're just too stubborn and I don't have time to be on the internet all day long.  Do whatever you want.  --Justentizang (talk) 17:39, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

HEY! That's not very nice!-- Ninja Sheik  17:41, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, well, Snapper2 isn't very nice. He keeps on undoing my edits and then he uses his magic admin powers to block other people from editing, so only his version is allowed.  --Justentizang (talk) 17:43, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Snapper2 is doing what he thinks it best! He works hard on this wiki, and he's been here longer! That's why I respect him, and you should too. You're only mad because you can't have your way.-- Ninja Sheik  17:45, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes, the myth that seniority somehow implies superiority. If he's so great, can he at least give a reason why he is undoing my edits?  All he says is "not necessary" and leaves it at that.  The information is relevant.  And yes, I do get pissed off when a random jerk decides to block progress or advancement.


 * A very fanboyish response NinjaSheik, but yes he wouldn't be where he was if he didn't know what he was doing. However that is all irrelevant to the article at hand. The issue Justenizang, is that all of that his absolutely nothing to do with the Uchiha Massacre. That is information best left to the Nine-Tails page, not this one.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 17:49, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's a perk of sorts. Some guideline somewhere says that, when there's a conflict, you stick with the pre-conflict version until the discussion is over, which in this case would be no mention of Yamato.
 * If the pre-Konoha history is to be mentioned, one might also wish to mention Madara's involvement since he is so centric to that topic. Then it might be prudent to mention he survived the epic HashMad fight. Then that he founded Akatsuki. Then what Akastuki has done and how its actions relate to other characters. In the end, this article would cover seven different topics.
 * Also, Snapper2 doesn't understand why, of the 33 words you added, you would be so offended that I removed 10 of those words. Or why Snapper2 is the sole heretic given that three other people reverted you as well. ~SnapperTo 17:50, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also Note: Snapper2 is considered the nice admin. I am the one who will straight out block you for a while for juvenile crap like changing another users name to jerk. Your move buddy.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 17:52, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also Note: Snapper2 is considered the nice admin. I am the one who will straight out block you for a while for juvenile crap like changing another users name to jerk. Your move buddy.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 17:52, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * To TheUltimate 3: well, I checked on the Nine-tails page to see if the bit about how its attack made the people of Konoha more suspicious towards the Uchiha, and lo and behold, there's no mention that that Shodai's power could also control it. And what do you know, it's blocked from regular members editing it.  And please don't tell me peple wouldn't suspect a 10-year old.  They're ninja.  Kakashi made jonin at what, 11, 12?  So...what do you admins do all day?  Just check the site every 5 seconds?  --Justentizang (talk) 18:01, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's protected for an unrelated reason. Can the Nine-Tails use it tails like a monkey can? Someone thinks so. Perhaps try Nine-Tails' Attack on Konoha. I can see an aside about Yamato's abilities being relevant enough to that topic to not feel compelled to remove it. ~SnapperTo 18:02, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would think the monkey comment would come from when it picked up a tree with its tail. S im A nt 18:43, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wasn't that Gamabunta transformed as the Nine-tails? (Naruto vs Gaara fight) --Justentizang (talk) 18:59, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I can't remember the fox doing that. But then I don't pay as close attention to these things as I should. ~SnapperTo 19:39, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Orchestration / hidden purpose of the massacre
I'm not sure what purpose it could serve at this point, or if it should be added, but that's why I wanted to bring it up for discussion.

In Chapter 399, Tobi informs Sasuke that Kyubi's attack on Konoha 16 years ago was a freak occurance. This is KNOWN to be untrue, which Sasuke challenges, but Tobi repeats this false statement in 401. In 502 we get proof that Tobi is directly responsible for Kyubi's attack on Konoha, thus he's intentionally lying to Sasuke. This means that Tobi is responsible for Konoha's raised suspicions of the Uchiha clan. Itachi finds Tobi when he is in the difficult position of being asked to eliminate the clan, a situation that Tobi helps him follow through. This would mean that the entire series of events leading to, and taking place with the Uchiha Massacre were all orchestrated by Tobi.

Now, I'm ASSUMING that this is because the Uchiha clan were some of the only people who could prevent him from using or controlling the Biju in the 4th Ninja World War. All individuals with known Senju or Uchiha abilities who are NOT following Tobi are either dead or captured at this point. Tobi has very specifically killed Danzou from Konoha, who posessed both of these abilities. He is leading an army of Zetsu grown from Senju cells, as well as a posessing Sharingan and Sasuke. Essentially he has eliminated those who would be capable of taking control of the Biju from him at any point. Kabuto's capture of Yamato completes this, although it wasn't specifically orchestrated by Tobi.

Essentially the lower part is the speculation for the PURPOSE, but the above portion shows that it's FACT that Tobi orchestrated and carried out the elimintaion of the Uchiha Clan. I originally wrote this up here, in case there's any clarification needed.

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