Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-24886865-20171122234112/@comment-24886865-20171217024557

AsianReaper wrote: Nerosmoke wrote: And then after the fight Haku told Zabuza he was under mind control and that was why he lost. the whole second fight was Zabuza was blinding himself and Kakashi had to use dogs to find him. if Kakashi fought edo Zabuza in the mist with sunglasses on with no back up or sensor ninjas or dogs Zabuza wins and Kakashi would not even try to fight him head on like that.

It's not a matter of beliving, it more of a matter of the Jinin page is missing all of his Jutsu and should be updated. but for some reason no one is doing it. and progress needed to be made on the wiki. ?? Kakashi beat Zabuza whenever he was serious, and now you're saying it's not counting because of the way he did it? He used his abilities and beat Zabuza more than once. Kakashi only used the dogs to find AND pin Zabuza down. He could locate him himself; Kakashi already demonstrated he could smell small amounts of his own blood, in Kakashi Gaiden when he was 12 or 13. Kakashi vs Zabuza 1 on 1, both serious, Kakashi wins in a difficult fight. But he wins every time. It's already been shown. Zabuza literally only won the very first time when Kakashi acknowledged he let his guard down. Every other time, when Kakashi took the fight seriously, Kakashi won.

Also, Zabuza wasn't under mind control. He had a Genjutsu used on him. Which is in Kakashi's abilities to do so. So idk why you're bringing it up.

If you believe the wiki is lacking in information, update the pages. Easy.

Back on the track of the actual topic. I still think Naruto wins.

Naruto clones don't die in a single hit, I've already given you an example of where one didn't disperse even after a Chidori. Water clones have never been stated to be better than Shadow Clones. Also, if you think Naruto clones aren't impressive, remember during the 4th Shinobi World War? Naruto beat Kage with clones. He beat the Third Raikage with a clone.

We know 8 Gate Might Dai is weaker than 8 gate Guy because Guy was able to fight TTJ Madara. The 7 Swordsmen are nowhere near TTJ Madara.

Kakashi has sensor and sealing ablitys? Kakashi did not fight him head on. instead using other means to take him out. the reasion Kakashi did not take him head on is just that. he could not do it. Zabuza was stronger then he was in hand to hand and was under the cover of the Mist.

Zabuza only lost from mind control. Kakashi was underpowered to beat him.

Omoi destorys a clone with a katana. and the thousands other times they pop in one hit. many of the clones in that fight go in one hit. I don't see how one clone that takes longer to pop then others is the durablity of all of the clones.

And if you think the Naruto clone beating the 3rd Raikage with help and information. then how about Kisame's 30% water clone taking on Might guy team solo and forcing him into the 6th gate after droping a lake onto him.

How is Might Dai weaker then his student. I need to see something that proves that to be the case as there is nothing anywhere that states that.

The 8th gate of Death or the red mist as Madera called it. is a state of great power. Madera did not say anything about the power being based on the user.