Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-28731007-20160627161220/@comment-734582-20160630193606

Dizmiz01 wrote: If Guy can win by sacrificing himself in the 8th gate then naruto can win by sacrificing himself to Kurama fair is fair, Kurama and Naruto are 2 separate beings sharing a body making them 1 entity so its really naruto+kurama+Jiraiya against 2 in this case they stomp I already pointed out that Guy would defeat Kurama. He nearly beat Madara who had the Juubi and a Rinnegan. He would beat a Biju.

Not that i consider it likely that Naruto will be given a chance to give into Kurama. Sage Mode Naruto needed immense anger just to start the transformation, and then through his ever increasing rage transformed further and further. If he starts transforming, 7th gate would be fast enough to murder Naruto as he transforms. Given that 4th tail mode is stationary for a while, Kakashi can even Kamui it as needed.

The most interesting scenario i can come up with is where both Kurama and Guy realize the other's companion needs to die for them to win, similar to young Hashirama and Madara and their fathers and brothers back at the river. Even so, Guy is significantly faster and would murder Jiraiya before the latter can do anything.

8th Gates Guy is simply too powerful. Dizmiz01 wrote: its really naruto+kurama+Jiraiya Like i said, i consider it similar to a Summon. A tool to be used. Kurama is not Naruto's ally though (since if he were, we'd be talking Kurama Mode Naruto). Jiraiya would probably stop Naruto entering anything beyond 3rd tail as he would know this. Transforming would be a russian roulette to see who Kurama attacks first, and would logically have a 66% chance of succes.

It raises difficult questions like whether Kakashi could control Kurama with his sharingan (since at no point in the series was Kurama truly unbound, and the one time Sasuke coerced Kurama was when Naruto was already refusing Kurama)