Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-24347194-20150211225344/@comment-142748-20150410235221

ItachiWasAHero wrote: That again is being taken out of context and read wrong, he was labeled faster than A with Hiraishin, if he was faster otherwise then why did he HAVE to resort to Hiraishin to dodge his attacks? Because he is not the fastest without Hiraishin period. Point blank. You do realize that its his reflexes that have to be that fast, right? He could have used Shunshin or Hiraishin to dodge, and the result would be the same thing. The only two people to ever tag Minato were Juubi Jin Obito and Juubi Jin Madara. People with speed and reflexes that made Itachi's look like nothing.

ItachiWasAHero wrote: 1. That was never stated anywhere so thats just your speculation. It was stated. The moment A admitted Minato was faster than him, that was all the proof we needed. 2. There is no proof to what you claim and that is entirely speculation, and "And stop acting like Itachi's speed is anything special compared to Minato, he's literally in slow motion in comparison." that sounds like bashing of somebody's liked character and it is also rude so I guess I should report you and request you to be blocked huh?? ...what the? From feats Itachi's speed doesn't even approach Minato's, with or without the Hirashin. Itachi doesn't have the feats for it, not even the hype. If Post-Timeskip Kakashi could keep up with Itachi, it means Itachi isn't in Minato's league of speed. And I'm not bashing Itachi's character, I'm just stating a fact. 3.Yes it is, BUT it took speed to use the Susanoo arm at that speed and reaction level. No, that just means he was able to maintain his Susanoo better. 4. Also speculation, it was never stated ANYWHERE period, that Madara is a stronger genjutsu user and in fact it sounds like again you made that up.. also I am applying to Itachi vs Minato because Minato's Hiraishin is what attributed him the moniker Yellow Flash, not his physical speed which was already clearly shown to be far slower than Ei, he needed Hiraishin just to keep away from Ei AND Killer B was faster than him and able to hold his sword to his stomach and THEN Minato noticed B did that, so again without Hiraishin(even then it won't help much) he cannot stop a MS User's Genjutsu(especially Tsukuyomi) Madara could create a limited version of Mugen Tsukuyomi, doing everything Itachi's Tsukuyomi could, with a base Sharingan. Yeah, he is a better genjutsu user, it doesn't need to be stated. Obito is a better genjutsu user than Itachi since he has a feat of controlling a Perfect Jinchuriki for decades and said genjutsu being compared to Kotoamatsukami by Ao, the guy who broke it. Itachi has nothing that comes close.

And A attacked Minato, he uses Hiraishin to dodge A's fastest speed. A tried again and Minato now even more ready for it dodges with contemptuous ease. And A said Minato was faster than him regardless, he didn't make any distinction of Hiraishin or no, meaning that even Minato's Shunshin he couldn't surpass. Hell even Tobirama said that Minato's Shunshin and Hiraishin were faster than him, and he was the fastest shinobi of his time.

5. I have the Databooks, the fastest in History line clearly is talking about his usage of Hiraishin which is also stated to be a tad better than Tobirama's somehow(odd considering they are both teleportation..) NOT his physical speed. So again no he is not the physically fastest or close to it. Wait, so even though the Databooks say that Minato is the fastest in history...you don't want to attribute said to that just because its Hiraishin? Seriously, that makes no sense...

Wait are you Star Wanderer on Narutoforums? He makes this exact argument in trying to make Minato the slowest and weakest Kage. 6. Susanoo comes from the users Chakra and is manifested that way, teleporting it would teleport its user too so again that wouldn't help in any way at all period. Susano'o isn't physically connected to the user. We've seen it be separated in the manga, check when Nagato got sealed, Itachi was a bit away from his Susano'o and not inside it. Minato can tag it, teleport it off of Itachi and while he's weakened from the strain, Minato can speedblitz him. 7. That is BS completely, I reread that chapter just like I did everything else and he wasn't even looking at Ei at that point, he was focused on Cee trying to immobilize him. Doesn't seem like you reread at all. Sasuke was glaring at A and making a seal, A notices and chastises him, and Sasuke changes targets when he realizes his genjutsu won't work. 8. No Itachi is not a god, neither is Minato(by a LONNNNNG shot). Itachi knows to look for seals and tagged kunai, he did his research already... What research? And ALL of Minato's kunai have tags, so he doesn't know exactly where or when Minato will appear, and he doesn't have the reflexes or speed to capitalize it.

You are acting like Itachi is a god. You act like 'oh he knows so and so so he wins' instead of, like the manga showed, it being virtually impossible to predict where Minato will teleport to. 9. No Itachi never, not once ever admitted Sasuke at any point could beat him. That was something you must have imagined or something because that does not exist. Shisui is the best Genjutsu user of the Uchiha clan, but Itachi was the second best, by all manga and db accounts. Izuna was taken out by a simple smoke screen combined with a Hiraishin slash, he definitely did not seem to be as mentally gifted as Itachi. I already told you the logic behind my argument in several posts, you ignore them. That's your problem not mine. Actually, Itachi repeatedly stated that if Sasuke got the Mangekyo Sharingan before facing him, he'd lose. That's why he kept pushing Sasuke to get the Mangekyo Sharingan so he'd have the power to defeat him.

'Mentally gifted', stop acting like Itachi is a god and he can predict this sort of thing. We don't know how long Tobirama vs Izuna raged, yet you act like that was the only exchange. And also ignores that Izuna and Madara were equals up until Madara got the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan. 10. I have, I did and you just sound upset that Mr. Minato can't win this. Cheerio' fella. Minato does win. Anyone objective will tell you that. Go to any other site, and Minato will be the victor in a versus match. You're just claiming Itachi wins since he is Itachi, that's not an argument. You downplay, degrade, and ignore Minato's feats and abilities all the while saying Itachi can effortlessly predict where Minato can teleport. In essence, you have a lot of Cognitive Dissonance when it comes to Itachi.