Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33308438-20180614101055/@comment-34194151-20180715042900

@Lone Ninja

I can reason with what you said regarding Minato. I agree Minato generally wins this fight against ITachi but I don't think its 10/10. I forgot about his Rasen Senkō Chō Rinbukō Sanshiki technique and his other styles of fighting. We have seen him as an aggressive fighter more often than not because he is somewhat quick and to the point. But against kid Obito, he was on a time limit to save his wife and the village so he had to quickly analyze obito and then go for the appropriate move, he didn't have time to fight defensively. Against JUUbito, he thought saw an opening but Juubiobito suddenly changed form. Against Juubi Madara, he only had one arm and one kunai, and they needed to protect obito, so he was kinda limited in what he could do, though I thought he could strategize a bit more than simply doing a head on blitz.

That said, he is hard to hit, but the most top tier characters can still exploit him when he comes in close (Hashi/Madara level). I agree Minato can move faster than Itachi's eyes can follow, and more often times then not I believe he can take Itachi out in Close quarters. Keep in mind that while for example Sasuke couldn't see V2 Raikage with his eyes, he could still react and counter attack. Itachi's speed, especially hand seal speed is nothing to sneeze at, Kakashi and sasuke had a hard time seeing his hand seals when Itachi was going all out ( not the parts when he was succumbing to illness obviously)

This next point is for you too @ Ninja of War. If Ephemeral isn't a visual genjutsu, it still works in Itachi's favour, as now Minato doesn't have to see the finger to be affected. And remember as I said, Genjutsu breaking starts with first being aware''' of said genjutsu first, and there is no evidence of Minato being capable of immediate awareness. And really ITachi not using ephemeral against Kabuto isn't evidence of Ephemeral being not good enough to at least temporaily to stop Minato in his tracks, because IZanami was a better genjutsu against Kabuto specifically, since Kabuto didn't know who he was and defied his destiny. NAruto was initally moving and hitting targets that he thought were there but were figments of his imagination, and then he was later paralyzed, either way, Itachi can trick Minato into rasenganing the totsuka blade while he is under genjutsu and then stab him that way. Minato probably wins like 6/10. Also Itachi is proficient in shadow clone feints as well, he somehow got a shadow clone behind kakashi in their part 1 fight.

Just a side question, If obito can put a PErfect Jinchruki in regular genjutsu, I don't understand why he never tried it against Naruto or Bee in the war? At the 5 kage summit, The 5th Mizukage alluded to Kotoamatsukami controlling Yagura?