Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33589845-20171107191936/@comment-31253119-20171108070842

@Lorenzo Due the circumstances of battle Jiraya was able to made that far. He needed to use his whole arsenal to fight against 3 pains, and only thanks to that one shot Genjtusu he was able to defeat them. As for Naruto, i don't know , any non plot scenario he losses badly.

So.. you really saying that he had trouble with Ino Choji and Shikamaru at one point ? The only one who made the trouble was Kakashi so far. And then you got Naruto who comes with uncompleted jutsu and gets all the fame. I mean just recall the way how did Kakuzu got hit. I could understand if he did thrown Shuriken at Kakuzu after he mysteriously gets behind, that would be fine , i could swallow that. But for Naruto to hold huge blue ball in his hands and successfully make contact with Kakuzu, that is just to much.