Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-27090764-20151018095532/@comment-26773508-20151019110514

GerizzyYMcrew wrote: ^ thats not a timelime issue at all...you just stated your own damn opinions which pretty much dont matter Indeed it's just my opinion. But I think there's enough inconsistencies to regard it as a timeline issue. So let me break down Gerisama's objections pointwise:

1. Jiraiya taught the 3 Ame orphans during the 2nd War, most likely before he mentored Minato.

2. Even if he mentored Minato before mentoring the Ame orphans, Minato and Nagato should roughly be the same age (Nagato might be a bit older, given that the manga seems to suggest that the training of the Ame orphans took place before Minato's)

3. Yet the Wiki page says that Minato died aged 24, while Yahiko died at age 15 and Nagato died at age 35.

4. This is inconsistent because Minato would have been 40 during the Pain Arc, yet the supposedly older Nagato was only 35 when he attacked Konoha.

5. That's not all. Minato was probably 22-23 years old when Obito "died" at the battle of Kannabi Bridge. That would place Nagato and Yahiko in their early 20's during Obito's "death"

6. Yet Yahiko died at at age 15, and during that time Minato too would have been in his teens, just like Nagato and Konan.

7. But Obito had turned evil and manipulated the Ame orphans before Yahiko died, which implies that Obito turned evil when Minato was in his teens.

8. But we know from the manga that Minato was older than 21 years old when Obito turned evil, which is a clear contradiction.

Hence, there are severe timeline issues involved.

But someone could argue that Minato was trained before Nagato, and that makes Minato older than Nagato. However, there are several problems with this line of reasoning:

i) The 2nd War started when the Sanin were in their teens. Nawaki died in that war, and Tsunade was a teen during that time (as clearly depicted in the manga).

ii) So it follows from Point (i) that the Sanin were busy throughout their teens and maybe till they were age 20 because of the 2nd War. That means it's highly unlikely Jiraiya trained his genin squad (with Minato) during the War.

iii) We know Jiraiya trained the Ame orphans towards the end of the 2nd War. He spent 3 years near Ame to prepare them for the hardships ahead. It is generally assumed that the war was already over by that time. Because if it hadn't, Jiraiya wouldn't have had an easy time staying with Nagato & co. due to the war.

iv) From Point (ii) we've established that Minato being trained during the 2nd War was highly unlikely. From Point (iii) we know that Nagato was trained towards the end of the war. So the only likely period when Minato was trained by Jiraiya was after Nagato's training. Hence Minato and Nagato should roughly be the same age, with Nagato being most likely older. And this creates timeline issues.

AsianReaper wrote: Yes, Obito was a teenage boy. That means any sort of heart break hurts a whole lot worse, since you're just around hitting puberty and those hormones are killer. Still a lame motivation. Plus those hormones would impair his rational mind, without which manipulating Yagura, Kirigakura and Akatsuki would have been impossible. Also, even if we accept that the plot of "an innocent 13 year old boy turning into the most evil bastard in the whole world" is sensible enough, but still, Obito's feats of manipulating Yagura; Kirigakure; Iwagakure; Yahiko-era Akatsuki; Pein-era Akatsuki; and a whole lot of other people we don't know about; is still hard to digest.

We must remember that 13-year old Obito was not like 13 year old Itachi, who was wayyyyy matured for his age. Obito was naive, innocent and clumsy. Are we supposed to believe that some 14 year old punk who was clumsy as hell suddenly turned into the greatest manipulator in the entire series? That simply doesn't make sense. At least Itachi was shown to be incredibly matured at a young age. Obito was basically Naruto with a sharingan. It's his steep and sudden transition from clumsy to Master Manipulator, as well as his Rin issues, that makes Obito so unconvincing as a villain.