Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-25343176-20141217153708/@comment-24808887-20150331185711

Keaire wrote: "He put the Bijuu under genjutsu ... and with a single glance too." - Hagoromo (VIZ)

What you're describing would take more than a single glance. You know if he look only once at each Bijuu it still counts as single glance Keaire wrote: The quality of the target(s) matters. And we're talking about Tailed Beast — all of them. - statement from user Keaire. Well ok.

Thing is MS can subdue Kurama - most powerful of them so if all other targets are weaker than him it matters not. Keaire wrote: Sasuke's MS failed to keep up with A's top speed; Madara's Rinnegan? No problem. Sasuke wasn't edo zombie with unlimited stamina and body implants from Asura reincarnation. So there is problem. Keaire wrote: I noticed Nagato's Deva Pain following Six Tailed Naruto's initial speed rush without concern. You noticed wrong aside from roadrunner cartoon in anime, Tendo got blown away from his own ST then used BT against BD and ran away from vilage and casted CT on folowing Naruto. And you are messing with arguments now - movent speed of only person beside A and Hashirama who was decribed as "at Bijuu chakra level" has litle to nothing to do with reaction speed granted via Sharingan that Pein never displayed

Keaire wrote:

Lol, what else was he supposed to say?

Rinnegan connects vision and follows movements, Sharingan follows movements too? Don't twist Hachibi words he said: "Rinnegan connects vision, Sharingan follows movements " and not any other way.

Keaire wrote:

But if it's like you said, and only the original owner can utilize both powers through the Rinnegan, including Limbo, then what does it matter? It matters great since it is not Rinnegan user with retained Sharingan abilities against Tenseigan it is Rinnegan against Tenseigan. There are person who actually newer shown that he had Sharingan while had Rinnegan(guess who) Keaire wrote:

Not what happened. It is. Keaire wrote:

The original Naruto was standing in front of Hachibi, behind Kakashi, Gai, and his clone — outside of Madara's line of sight. He looked at the clone and said: All right except Madara's line of sight was this way only atm, while heading to battle filed he somehow magically missed Naruto. And this ignoring the fact that Sharingan can see through objects and you can't hide chakra with charka from it since Sasuke was able to see Ninetails inside seal. But somehow while seeng original Naruto in front of Hachibi(wich is in fron of Madara as well) and Clone he still asked to Obito: Keaire wrote:

"This one's also a Shadow Clone, where's the original Obito?" - Madara "Right in front of you idiot, can't you see?" - Obito from cutscene

And this is person who able to see as far as from Hokage monument and to the far reach of valley before even awekening Sharingan Keaire wrote: It wasn't a guess. A moment after, the original yelled out: If it wasn't then it seems Madara is mentally hadicaped. Keaire wrote: "What happened to everyone over there?" - Original Naruto Yes Keaire wrote: Madara cocked his head to the side, thus seeing the original for the first time, and said: "He's over there eh." NOPE. A) It was not first time seeing the original, and B) he was continuing Naruto question:

"What happened to everyone over there?" - Original Naruto

"Over there..." -Madara

"I'M asking what you did to THEM???!!!" - Naruto

.... Keaire wrote: He wasn't unsure. About what he did to GoKage well he knows better. Keaire wrote: Anyway, we can possible conclude that only the original owner can utilize all their ocular powers regardless. I just find the entire thing unlikely seeing that the Rinnegan consist of the same chakra which makes the Sharingan (SP Yin / Indra chakra / Uchiha chakra). This is again, we speaking about solely Rinnegan vs Tenseigan and only known original owner(Hagoromo) of this eyes never shown to have Sharingan.

Keaire wrote: Because we haven't seen the tomoe-less version cast genjutsu and utilize right-left eye MS powers (mind you Madara never bothered with them at all); then Rinnegan can't use them.

Never mind the fact that Sasuke's eye isn't called "Rinne-Sharingan." Thing is that while left eye as Rinnegan he still retains his right eye as Sharingan so he has eyes wich paired as Rinnegan and Sharingan plus "Sasuke magic". Keaire wrote:

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I figured that much.. OK here is the catch: Rinnegan vs Tenseigan, no Sharingan or it's powers and thus no Sasuke or Kaguya and no MS and EMS powers in any variants.