Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36006024-20180926134241/@comment-31099706-20180929163908

LegionZero wrote: If we arent counting SM, Hashirama still far out classes anyone else in the series.

Even with SM, Hashi isn't undefeatable. It's still a huge question mark on how he survives genjutsu, he gave Sasuke the counter jutsu to his Sage Mode. He can be defeated by Amaterasu, TB, dust Release and many others, he's OP and almost invincible, but he can't survive everything.

Except Hashirama didnt learn it fron either one of them.

Making his whole biology even weirder. And as I've stated, Sage Mode utilises an outside source that can lose it's own control if he absorbs too much.

Whether or not people use them as tools doesnt change the fact that that is not their purpose. Theh are nor inanimate objects.

I hope you're not missunderstanding me as jerk, it's obviously wrong for using a living sane being as a tool, but I'm just stating the point of the hate the Tailed beats had with Shinobi. They have been used as tools. It became their purpose.

He wasnt destined to be one by way of his bloodline. Uzumaki happen to be a good choice but not the only choice.

Infact he was, he was the child in destiny that would bring all the tailed beast together as friends, as comrades. Anyways, he's Uzumaki, and he would be the best choice for the Tailed Beast.

If EMS was a natural evolution it would require body modification to achieve it.

The only thing he did was transplant his eyes. As the blood connection matched, Itachi's eyes turned into Sasuke's EMS.

You said being amoral douche and using others as tool makes the used persons strength their user own strength. Haku literally said he is just a tool to be used by Zabuza. That means Zabuza has Ice Release and sick senbon skills. Boruto showed complete control over the giant Rasengan Naruto provided him with, since he used it as his own then that is his strength.

If Zabuza manages to merge with Haku to any extent close to how Naruto and Kurama are, then yes. But then you can also take other examples, like shinobi using summons Uchiha's controlling tailed beasts, Edo Tensei users controlling their edo tensei shinobi, and such on.

Sometimes he does sometimes he doesnt but you point still stands. Dude is still hella strong on his own though.

He mostly does. Everyone is strong without their tools too, Zabuza without his Sword, Naruto without Kurama(Presently), Sasuke with EMS or Sharingan. Everyone just uses thier tools, just to show out their strength by quickly overpowering their opponent.

A boost in quality over quantity is still a boost. Sasuke himself said he felt Itachi's power

Shinobi sometimes feel Chakra, it's a more emotional impact and sometimes given as slight hints. The boost in quality was done by Sasuke's body, the only ingredient to it, was Itachi's eye. If Sasuke actually gained Itachi's Tsukuyomi and Susanoo TB and YM, then it would be a different thing.