Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-43403813-20190805194702/@comment-9782468-20190807204535

Halcyonite wrote: @AsianReaper you've completely brushed over what I was saying. Strawman is if I refute something that was not brought to the table. What I quoted in my last message is something Princeharris1993 mentioned, time is in fact presented with how the sentence is worded. You yourself have stated that Obito's means of beating Pain is simpler, and with simpler efficient tasks, results in a heavily implied decrease of time. That statement assumes and insinuated that Obito will take down Pain in seconds, which is exactly the argument I am refuting. I am refuting an argument that someone else has brought to the table. Hence not a strawman.

Additionally, the other external information I brought in regarding opinions about this versus, its purpose isn't to serve as a strawman as I'm just using it as a point of reference to the common conceptions regarding this fight, and I know you most likely are aware of these commonly used reasons, but this is a public discussion, I want to provide clarity in my argument to everyone.

You are misconstruing the resources and opinions I brought to this discussion as flaws, my main argument was surrounding match-ups between Pain and/or Nagato and the countermeasures they can put in place against single-sharingan Obito, and I only brought up those aforementioned opinions as a point of reference. No, it is a strawman, because you inferred an argument from a different argument and argued that instead of the actual argument.

Simpler win conditions don't imply decrease of time, it implies at most that Obito has less conditions to worry about. He doesn't have to kill Pain, he doesn't have to worry about Pain reviving itself, none of that. He just has to touch and warp them, which means he doesn't need to think too hard about, for example, the order of Pains he takes down.

Your point of reference was irrelevant to the actual argument I made, and you put your "point of reference" in the same paragraph as you discussing my argument with me. You even used that point as saying it was illogical to use Kyuubi's power as a scale in power between Obito and Nagato, even though they both fought Naruto as a Jinjuuriki without the use of Genjutsu. So forgive me if I misunderstood your "point of reference" as a direct response to my argument.