Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36394790-20180824122210/@comment-31099706-20180826153816

@Ravenlot, I hope you don't missunderstand me here, I don't mean you are wrong, but just that I think the situation was different. It just feels like Sasuke would have instantly mentioned about such an out of nowhere upgrade in his form, if he was using it for the first time. CombatIQmatters wrote: Well if we are to compare these two very different abilities, we should equalize all other base stats between the two hypothetical opponents. That said I think sage mode is better. EMS grants Two potential one shot jutsus that have never been seen before, plus a strong ultimate offense and defense against most standard attacks. Sage mode however can easily bypass this because it makes the opponent's own techniques stronger and faster as well as increased base stats, plus ghost punches which EMS can't percieve. The flaw of EMS is that it can't close the gap in stats, and as a result sharingan precognition becomes less useful if the speed difference is too wide. I think stat boosts are better than simply expanding one's arsenal, because the sage mode user can always develop better techniques to suit specfic needs, rather than relying on luck of the draw with the mangeyko. Let's put a Sage Mode User, and an EMS user with equal base stats as you mentioned, into an open field, since that would be the most fair situation both of them can be in.

While indeed, SM grants ghost punches that no one without Senjutsu can see, they still in a sense work on movement. Like, take it like this, Naruto would obviously need to use a fake punch to land the ghost punch as he did with the path of Pain. As far as we know, Rinnegen can see in the same quality as a regular eye, and thus, saw a fist coming right at him. But what about an eye that sees your movements from your muscles more than three steps before it happens? That is a Sharingan. Basically, Naruto's punch would be a fake one, in which he'll draw his fist back, which is part of his own movements, which the Sharingan would easily see, and get suspicious of, and probably would dodge it before it even starts.

Then again, if whatever I said is not at all logical, then may I ask who in the right brains would fight a Sage Mode user head on, without any special enhancements for themselves or without a fake body(path of Pain), for a regular EMS user, he would go for the defensive, which is also an ultimate defence, and is also used as offensive one. So, basically the SM user would be open in an open field with threats of giant Susanoo arrows, Shurikens, and sword slashes coming at him, as well as dodging the EMS user's almost broken one shot jutsus. And I have also not added the fact that an SM user is pretty open to getting caught in a quick genjutsu.

So that's why I think an EMS user would outpower an SM user, remember, only BSM Naruto was equal to EMS Sasuke.