Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-5413572-20151114042410/@comment-27172747-20151205125326

Yea sorry about that, I haven't explored all the wiki functions yet. I don't agree that Hagoromo and Hamura are stronger than Naruto and Sasuke because, remember, Naruto and Sasuke both have the powers of the Six Paths as well as their own individual abilities from prior training. Let me just give a list of basic abilities which Naruto and Sasuke have;

Naruto: 1. Massive Individual Chakra Reserves (Amplified when Kurama comes into the picture and amplified to god levels when the other tailed beasts come in) 2. Access to many techniques such as the shadow clone technique, Rasengan and its many variants. It's not really this that sets him apart. It's the fact that he can make a ton of variations on these two techniques alone and use them effectively without wasting time. 3. Sage Mode. Obviously OP since it allows him to basically enhance all of his techniques and he can throw his rasenshurikens. 4. Nine Tails Chakra Mode and its variants. Gives him a ton of abilities like healing, immunity to many attacks, super speed, insane increase in strength, ability to form rasengans instantly, ability to control the paths of rasenshuriken etc. 5.Six Paths Mode and its variants. This one is just too OP, since it really heightens every single thing he can do in every sense. He can fly, he can increase the power of his attacks, he can immediately create elemental variations of the rasengan and he can do other destructive attacks which can change the landscape in ways which we can't imagine. He also has the truth seeking balls, which can only be countered properly with sage chakra and since Naruto, himself, possesses the most heightened form of sage chakra there is, he wouldn't really have a problem in this respect.

Pretty much, Naruto is really OP in his own right and I imagine that he wouldn't really have too much trouble against just Hamura or even against just Hagoromo. Naruto has way too many abilities and techniques at his disposal to be overwhelmed by just the Rinnegan.

As for Sasuke; 1. Sharingan. Enough said, this is fully trained in every possible way, to the point where he was able to break through Itachi's genjutsu, albeit he was ill. 2. Mangekyou Sharingan. Again, it grants him too many abilities which cannot really be countered against effectively. I don't see how his Susanoo can be countered against effectively without having to amass a large amount of chakra to a single point and then releasing it, which the Rinnegan doesn't precisely have the ability to do. 3. Rinnegan. All of the Rinnegan's abilities used in conjunction with Susanoo can't really be countered against effectively.

Remember, we're talking about Naruto and Sasuke as adults. Knowing both their natures, they probably trained really hard even after the war to gain full control of their powers and as of right now, we don't know if they were able to develop new techniques in the process of training the powers which they have. Sasuke would definitely have gotten complete mastery over his Rinnegan.

So, taking all of these facts into consideration, I'd say that both of them would stand a good chance against Hagoromo and Hamura. It would be close, to say the least. I mean, Hamura has, with the Byakugan, access to all of the Hyuga Clan's techniques but he can't do jack shit to get close to Naruto or Sasuke to block their chakra points (wouldn't really matter if he did). What can Hagoromo actually do? Create something using his Creation of All Things Technique? Not ideal since that would require a large amount of Chakra, especially if that something would have to be strong enough to take on Naruto and Sasuke. He can't exactly Chibaku Tensei his way out, because Naruto and Sasuke can easily destroy the core together. Hagoromo can probably manipulate gravity to a large extent but that would be nullified by Sasuke. Hagoromo could also try to do summoning but Naruto could take care of that. For God's sake, Hagoromo could even try to absorb their Chakra but Sasuke can do that as well and if Naruto used the same tactic as he did in the battle with Pain, that wouldn't end well for Hagoromo right.

The point here is that i'm trying to paint a scenario where Naruto and Sasuke can counter the techniques that Hagoromo or Hamura bring up with their own techniques. That is, it is definitely possible for both Naruto and Sasuke to counter those techniques. However, then it really is a battle of who can tactically use the techniques in a better manner. Clearly, this will be a difficult thing to decide but it really is a matter of whether we'll be seeing anymore of Hagoromo's true power or Hamura's true power in the future via films or whatnot (probably not gonna happen)