Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170909171417/@comment-5085906-20170914205216

Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: how does base minato win exactly? ive asked this question in this thread a billion times, but nobody answers, now, do they? So let's say young Hiruzen is faster than old Hiruzen. Even so, we know he's not a speedster like Minato or Tobirama otherwise Kishimoto would have dropped some bombshell revelation in time. So, we place his speed around the same tier as Itachi's speed. Except, he doesn't have Itachi's genjutsu skills and he doesn't have a Susanoo, the ultimate defense. All he is left with is the collection of Konoha's jutsu, some Hiden which he probably can't use (like Akimichi's signature technique), his five elements and Enma. None of these techniques are fast enough to catch on to Minato. I mean, seriously, what jutsu can he possibly use against him? Nara clan's shadow? We've seen characters like Hidan and Kakuzu dodge that with ease. And yes, Shadow Possession can remove planted kunai from the ground, but don't you forget that Minato doesn't rely on his kunai alone to use FTG or speed for that matter. He can mark Hiruzen's adamantine staff or Enma himself if he decides to attack in his monkey form. What special technique is Hiruzen going to use against him? Hiruzen's only trump card is a technique that Minato was taught by Kushina and one that requires a couple of handseals to activate. An assassination-type shinobi like Minato would never miss the chance to capitalize.

Also, no matter how good Hiruzen's spatial awareness was in his youth, he can't track movements as good as a Sharingan and we know that an FTG user can bypass that dojutsu easily if we go by the Tobirama v. Izuna fight.