Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-3279282-20140828133937/@comment-945885-20140828212855

Archangel489 wrote: FF-Suzaku wrote: Archangel489 wrote: Setras wrote: Archangel489 wrote: How did the ten tails exist with out kaguya? If the moon had the body of the ten tail and kaguya then how was hagamoro the jinchuriki of the ten tails. It shows kaguya and the ten tails sealed separately. kaguya was sealed and created the moon. Then later in life he creates the tailed beasts. He is kept alive by the body of ten tails. But how can the body be there if it was used to create the moon.

Kaguya, upon merging with the Shinju, became the Ten Tails. As I understand it, Hagaromo and Hamura applied their Yin-Yang Release Seal to the Ten Tails, which in light of this chapter seems to have sealed her Rinnegan. They then sealed the incapacitated Ten Tails into Hagaromo. Much later, Hagaromo was inspired by Asura and extracted the Ten Tails' chakra, using Creation of All Things to mold it into the Tailed Beasts. He kept the Ten Tails' body- the Gedo Mazo- in his body in order to survive the extraction. Once he'd sufficiently recovered (though he was still near death), he expunged the Gedo Mazo, and then he sealed it in the moon. the sealing jutsu they used created the moon. what I am saying is kaguya was sealed and created the moon but hagamoro was still a jinchuriki. several years later he then removed the gedo mazou. but it has been previously stated that the ten tails body was used to create the moon. also it was stated that they beat the ten tails and sealed it and then fought kaguya and that makes no sense since they are the same person Don't make the mistake of thinking everyone in a piece of fiction knows what they're talking about.

We know that the early history of ninjutsu is little more than folklore and rumors at this point. More importantly, key details were falsified. There aren't even any mentions of Hamura in the historical record, and Hagoromo himself didn't even know that Kaguya was actually the Ten Tails.

The only thing I'm not really clear on is the mechanics of how Kaguya became one with the Divine Tree to become the Ten Tails. Was it after she "ate" the Chakra Fruit? Was that just a metaphor for her becoming one with the Divine Tree? Or did she steal its Chakra and then later on become one with its Chakra-free body? When she became one with it, it seems she physically fused with it into a single being, somehow.

After that it seems pretty straight forward. Hagoromo (and Hamura?) extracted the chakra from the Ten Tails while sealing the Gedo Statue with Chibaku Tensei, and Hagoromo became host to that chakra, which he eventually transformed into the Tailed Beasts.

Centuries later, Madara summoned the Gedo Statue back to Earth. Obito continued his plans by gathering the Tailed Beasts.

Finally, (most of) the Tailed Beast Chakra was returned to the Gedo Statue, and it gradually began to regain its original form. Obito became its Jinchuriki briefly, and manifested it fully in its original form, the Divine Tree, but he was defeated.

After this, Madara absorbed the Divine Tree, but Kaguya was eventually able to wrest away control and manifest her humanoid form.

During the final fight with Kaguya, she attempted to transform into her Ten Tails form, but it was screwed up by Naruto's own Tailed Beast attacks.

As Kaguya is defeated and the Tailed Beasts are extracted from her, she returns to her Gedo Statue form and expels Madara's body.

If we compare this stuff to the Tailed Beasts (and it's not a 1:1 comparison since the Tailed Beasts are Chakra while the Ten Tails had a physical form), you can compare Obito and Madara's "Six Paths Sage Mode" forms as being like a Chakra Control Mode; manifesting the Ten Tails' Divine Tree is therefore like Tailed Beast Mode. Kaguya taking over Madara's body is like when Shukaku or Kurama completely took over their hosts; she gained complete control and was able to assume her humanoid form.

At least, that's how it seems to work. I think I've got my head wrapped around it, but hopefully it'll be spelled out clearly at some point. to be a ten tails jinchuriki you need both the chakra and body. hagamoro wouldn't be one if he sealed the body away Refresh my memory, who said that Hagoromo was jinchuriki of the Ten Tails? Was it Hagoromo, Zetsu, or Kaguya, the only three people who would have actually known?

Also, the Tailed Beasts were all created from the Ten Tails' chakra. They are "chakra beings," and yet they can have Jinchuriki.