Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26104757-20170215150638/@comment-27924662-20170218043205

Thekillman wrote: You described a one-of-a-kind feat as no big deal. I can only respond with sarcasm. Like I said others(in hokage) didn't try to break it even though they could, And what abt those ninjas in 4th great ninja war who broke the control with sheer will-power(not even Hand signs) does that make them 'great'? Thekillman wrote: We know literally nothing of those circumstances. I don't see how Kakuzu can survive a True Several Thousand Hands though, so Kakuzu's either even older and fought a pre-village Hashirama, or there's more going on. (I lean towards the latter) Setting the forest on fire would only help madara as it would make people suffocate, like what happened with the Kage. I thought It was because off particular wood release which released poison gas? Not because off fire, And Somehow you are forgetting that cooperation ninjutsu is usually much stronger. Remember how naruto burnt 3 tails causing it too flee(even though it was on rampage)? By the time Madara releases big enough wood release the wood itself would be fuel too the fire, Forcing him too absorb or use Susanoo. Madara isn't going too get any 'advantage in this scenario'. Thekillman wrote: Reading the OP again, i don't see anything that suggests the Akatsuki are Edo Tensei. Madara however, is. Doesn't mean Deidara can't sacrifice himself finishes madara off. Others(nagato and konan are safe because off obvious reason, Itachi uses Susanoo to protect kisame and others) can than seal madara. Thekillman wrote: It's Akatsuki's MO, pretty much. Kakuzu and Hidan "cooperated" but only because they could just ignore each other in combat. Akatsuki's entire fighting style was "stand back as my partner handles this", and got angry when they had to save each other. Even Konan and Nagato had this going on. Akatsuki's known for a number of things. Teamwork's not one of them. I don't believe that the problematic people can really afford to save each other, any misstep and madara (or one of his clones) murders them. Nagato's use of the Paths of Pain makes his real body vulnerable. Madara can entertain him and just use six Wood clones to match. That leaves 19 wood clones with susanoo to murder the rest. Not true. They were good at team work, Kisame infact was willing to accept itachi' s ideas. Konan and Nagato too are more like team considering they were well trained by Jiraiya. They just rarely used it because they were mostly good enough on their own. Deidara too accepted Sasori's orders, even Kakuzu - hidan have excellent team work And I don't see the 25 clones even surviving an attack off konoha crush level. Thekillman wrote: Nagato as an Edo Tensei was as slow and cripple as his living self. It wasn't until he absorbed Bee's chakra that he got the standard jinchuriki package: healing and increased speed.

It doesn't change the fact that he still suffers mobility problems against a guy who solo'd a couple of hundred ninja on his own. Even if you consider him slow and so on.. He smashed bee(even though if bee didn't had intel still both off them didn't had) On top off that he can pull out madara 's soul ending edo tensei. that would end him for sure and madara too would be caught off guard by the chameleon. Thekillman wrote: The size and scope of that jutsu would force it on a significant cooldown. A susanoo wood clone takes the opportunity to murder Nagato's real body. 25 susanoo clones is enough to keep every single Akatsuki member busy. It's true it requires significant cooldown but you are forgetting even the clones get blown away and destroyed. And one off the size off konoha crush would most certainly put madara out off his PS. Thekillman wrote: For a mirror he used...once (and to block a couple of explosive tags), it sure picked up a lot hype over the years, didn't it? we could argue abt this one for hours, But I believe the weakness You point out (in previous threads) are more off author's mistake. Thekillman wrote: Nothing a bit of wood release can't fix. Once he's no longer over the gap (assuming the gap was directly under him in the first place), it's no danger. Little bit off wood release isn't gonna save him from 600 Billion paper bombs no matter how you slice it. It's epic overkill for madara if he gets caught in technique.