Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31672013-20180831233027/@comment-27924662-20180928234441

CombatIQmatters wrote: @NamikazeNaruto

1)Jiraiya has no genjutsu breaking feats. Not saying he can't break her genjutsu but it's a stretch to say he would be immediately aware of her genjutsu and would be immediately able to break it while worried about 3 other jounin. He also doesn't have any of the advantages that allowed itachi to detect it and break it with ease and efficiency. Jiraiya has no genjutsu breaking feats is dependent on the fact that he has been caught in one. He has never been caught in a Genjutsu canonically speaking. So your argument about Kurenai catching him in one fizzles out in the same "cannon-fashion". As for Jiraiya not having advantages over the four jounin that's huge stretch. He has gigantic toads and even the arena is to his advantage. Other Jounin's don't even have the skills to survive this battle ground. CombatIQmatters wrote: 2) I literally stated that kakashi can't counter the collaboration ninjutsu. but it doesn't matter because kakashi has 3 teammates in this battle to misdirect gamabunta's attention. How do you misdirect AOE? that too in limited space? Plus Bunta is not fighting the three alone, it's the whole Jiraiya and Bunta fighting four Jounins. They aren't separate entities in the fight. CombatIQmatters wrote: 3) Like I said, the human path was caught off guard by the jutsu and was ensnared. If team jounin sees the technique coming, they can chakra walk. chakra walking is a precuationary measure, not a reactionary one. Obviously if they are already ensnared, they are screwed. And Raiton>Doton. nothing suggests kakashi can't counter the technique. So if they see technique coming isn't jumping/evading better option than to try and walk on it? Plus how are you assuming that they will start with bog below their foots. They could easily start with bogs upto their knees? Also I told you about Raiton and Doton argument, check the fights than talk. CombatIQmatters wrote: 4) the problem with most of what you are saying is that it assumes the jounin just let jiraiya run away. Obviously if jiraiya gets to escape and user guerilla tactics, then they would have trouble. but we are skipping a whole bunch of steps for jiraiya to safely escape right off the bat. What jutsu would allow him to immediately escape the jounin? Kakashi can open with his lightning fang jutsu from mid-range. asuma can use wind to amplify it. guy initiates leaf whirlwind and kurenai follows behind him and asuma to get close enough for genjutsu. No one ever gave the info that they are face to face, you are the one who is claiming that plus, it's easy to run away for him considering how his whole career is build upon spying and info gathering. Body flicker at mid-range distance, in my opinion, is sufficient to run/ escape. Covering tracks/ blocking view with Fire ball Jutsu is another standard for him to escape in the purview of flames. Plus you should check out basic elemental transformation, Lightning attacks aren't empowered by wind moves.