Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-6769189-20180906225323

Vladosaurus wrote: Having all the bijuu chakra made Naruto trigger Six Paths Senjutsu. Just like having Hashirama's cells (and him being an Indra reicarnation) made Sasuke trigger his rinnegan. Now nobody knows what Hagoromo did exactly, but his chakra probably speed up the awakening process for the boys, and also gave them special abilities namely Six Paths Sage Mode and Sasuke's special tomoes in his rinnegan, which let him keep his sharingan abilities in it. The main reason why Naruto has and had Six Paths Senjutsu in the first place was the bijuu chakra. You make this claim a lot but there isnt any hard evidence to back that.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Again you're only noticing one condition and not the other. You're also omitting or forgetting that hagoromo had no Rikudo senjutsu to give to naruto which I already proved, yet naruto is able to awaken that power. Literally all his feats post his conversation with hagoromo was done while having different levels of Rikudo senjutsu. It is his other condition to enter rsm. It is his condition to achieve yin-yang release. It is his condition to reseal kaguya with the 2 Rikudo hand powers. Hagoromo said that many conditions have been met. Only speaking of one condition is proof of a lack of understanding and context. Quote the manga or databook. Give me the lines where he says that the Bijuu are necessary.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

I've proven that TSOS can replenish. Hagoromo proves this, so does Obito and kaguya. Naruto not having any TSOS is fixed by achieving more Rikudo senjutsu. You didnt prove that. Hagoromo had TSB's in death and when he came back they came with him. Please quote the line where Hagoromo says he has new TSB because of Madara's lower half

Obito never made any brand new TSB's.

Kaguya is the only character to make a TSB.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Plus hagoromo wouldn't give naruto or sasuke power that leaves them forever reliant on his assistance. They have abilities that can be maintained and sustained without his direct help. Namely Rikudo senjutsu rsm and rinnegan. Sure they already have his Chaka, but even after he returned to the afterworld they kept those abilities. Sasuke still uses rinnegan because he meets the conditions to do so. Naruto doesn't use rsm because he doesn't all the conditions to do so. I'm not saying his mentality changed and he lost the mode, I'm saying he level of power changed and is no longer supportive of rsm. But simply gaining more fragments from the 8 Biju OR sealing the their actual bodies inside him will meet and/or exceed the condition of power to use rsm. They arent relient on his power. They were permanent upgrades.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

But don't make claims that he's using a form when he's not showing any of the abilities of that form. Same goes for all claims that he uses rsm in conjunction with another form. Prove that outright if you can, otherwise drop that speculation entirely. Databook doesn't state he used a second form with rsm, it is a single form. Whereas the last guidebook states kurama mode was used with sage mode. Naruto' rsm has both the strongest tailed beast chakra and nature energy already. He doesn't need to add other modes to it. He used toad Sage Mode and Kurama mode in the last.

Naruto's yellow-cross pupil was identified as SPSM in the databook and it has the ability to sense Limbo Clones while in this form.

Littlegen wrote:

You miss interpenetrated my point as it continued from my previous post. Six Paths Senjutsu is Kaguya's Power, as in the Ten-Tail's Chakra. I don't think there are more kinds of Six Paths Senjutsu because that doesn't make sense. Hagoromo and Hamura used 6 Paths Senjutsu to defeat the 10 Tails. So its not a Kaguya ability.

CombatIQmatters wrote: @everyone

I actually believe that Hagoromo has a fair point. We have to be consistent here. If it's true that naruto still has the other bijuu, then why is his cloak so different? If he doesn't have the bijuu, then you can argue that he is using SPSM + KCM. But this argument rests on the claim that SPSM is sort of an upgrade to basic sage mode, but then why would naruto bother using frog sage mode if he has access to SPSM, in the last? Because he didnt need SPSM

CombatIQmatters wrote:

You can argue that the lack of pigmentation debunks the idea that he is using frog sage mode, but then again, there is still the unrefuted claim that when kurama gathers the nature energy, the pigmentation doesn't appear. In the last, naruto enters BSM practically instantly. It makes sense he can, because his skill with sage mode should be completely refined by now. IDK how you can prove that kurama was the one gathering energy in that fight. Its because Naruto cant gather Natural energy while on the move. But in the Last there are is at least one instance where he is in motion and activated toad Sage Mode.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

RSM's hallmark is the ten tail coffin seal and having ridoku senjutsu. TSOs aren't a good indicator because the user doesn't always use them, madara wasn;t using TSO when he fought naruto and sasuke. Ridoku senjutsu's only confirmed source is having juubi chakra. Madara had 6 Paths Senjutsu via the Coffin Seal, not SPSM. And yes. They are different. The Databooks differentiate between them and never addresses what Madara has as SPSM. The forms do pretty much the same thing they are just different means of obtaining them

Madara only had one TSB amd because Naruto had SPSM and Sasuke had 6 Paths chakra it was only useful as a blunt weapon

CombatIQmatters wrote:

I highly doubt that you can get it from other means, because by that logic madara should have gotten six paths sage mode the minute he absorbed hashirama's sage mode, since after all, he had had hagromo's chakra and senjutsu coursing through his body. From what we have seen SP Senjutsu isnt just SP chakra+Nature energy. Naruto has used basic Sage Mode and SPSM.

Madara wouldnt be able to achieve the form because he never learned it himself(like Hagoromo/Hamura) and no one ever passed it on to him(like Naruto)

CombatIQmatters wrote:

So clearly, ridoku senjutsu can't simply be generated by mainly having six paths chakra and senjutsu chakra. You need the juubi chakra. Hagoromo gave him the mode, and while it doesn't state he needs the juubi chakra to use SPSM, this by itself can't be the case if you are claiming in the same sentence that RSM is the juubi power. Remember, Madara himself claimed that once he absorbed the juubi he was a user of RSM, even though this very wiki claims he isn't a user lol. The databook explains that the Coffin Seal grants the Juubichuriki SP Senjutsu via the Juubi. Its fairly specific about this. The databook specifies SPSM as an ability that Hagoromo passed onto Naruto.

We know Hagoromo had some form of 6 Paths Senjutsu because he and Hamura used SP Chibaku Tensei to seal Kaguya. We see that even in death he has SP Senjutsu because he has TSB.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

You could say that again in the 4SWW that naruto is using SPSM +KCM, but his KCM has a ten coffin seal and access to truth seeking orbs because he has all 9 tailed beast chakra, making him a juubi jinchuriki of sorts, and madara called this marker "six paths senjutsu". But if this is your claim, you would have to prove that six paths senjutsu isn't necessary to be in six paths sage mode, which doesn't make sense. So it's either naruto has the tailed beasts chakra in bortuo still and the cloak is a design error, or naruto doesn't have the other chakra anymore. You guys have to pick one. The mark on the back denotes the presence of all the Tailed Beasts chakra, its not indicative of the Coffin Seal.

If Naruto isnt using all the Tailed Beasts chakra for his cloak the mark wont appear. It wasnt ever said how much of the other beasts chakra he has left. May be simply that it isnt enough to contribute to the cloak.