Talk:Gaara

Magnet Release
Gaara uses Magnet Release in Gaara Hiden. Currently translating the chapter and it should be out fully tonight. Magnet Release should be added to his infobox with a novel only tag, right? --EmotionalRockfish (talk) 04:46, July 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Before that I'd like to read the fully translated chapter.--JOA2004:48, July 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * He uses Magnet Release in the novel? Oh good lord...
 * 04:48, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

What involvement does Kishi have with the Hiden? Did he give the A-Ok to the author? If he gave his thumbs up, or had involvement himself it may be canon, if not then it is novel only.. although it's been awhile now people still think he has Magnet Release anyway.. QuakingStar (talk) 04:51, July 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think everything else is being given novel only tags atm, so it's probably safer to just do that. I know Kishi illustrated the covers of the books, but I'm unsure of how canon they are. And yeah, I'll link the translation when it's done. --EmotionalRockfish (talk) 04:57, July 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you take a picture of the Japanese pls? I want to read it with my own eyes ._. I mean, the novels still are just novels, so they don't count anyway, but still... I want to punch a hole in a wall :D • Seelentau 愛 議 05:22, July 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * I mean, Thrall's Balls, man, do we have to go through another round of "Does Gaara have Magnet Release" again? Ugh. 05:35, July 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * Sure thing.For context, Gaara's fighting against someone who manages to get through his shield, and the book previously made a point that everyone's hiden jutsu were revealed in the war. Which is important because this is the only secret jutsu he has left that no one knows about.


 * http://i.imgur.com/O6TluHz.jpg


 * Important stuff starts around the paragraph in the middle with 'だが'.--EmotionalRockfish (talk) 06:05, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

だが、〈砂の盾〉は、その槍をことごとく防ぎきった. 我愛羅が父より受け継いだ、磁遁である.

No idea how to translate the first sentence, lol. Something about a spear and the shield of sand. Second sentence is "Magnet Release is what Gaara inherited from his father.". fcking sigh. • Seelentau 愛 議 06:37, July 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * I swear, the author wrote this novel after watching the last shitstorm on this wiki about Gaara and Magnet Release, just to rub it into our faces once more. Now what? Tag him with "Magnet Release - Novel only"? Do we tag all sand techniques with the same? This is going to suck so much.... Norleon (talk) 06:53, July 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * No. The book also states that "That single measure was something he hadn’t used before until now, his father’s jutsu." (by OD-chan). He can just control iron sand in addition to his normal sand control. Sand control still isn't Magnet Release. Just to clarify that^^ • Seelentau 愛 議 07:01, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

eer, I just checked Magnet Release and "This is further reinforced when the Gaara Hiden: A Sandstorm Mirage novel stated that none of Rasa's child inherited his Magnet Release."??? What is the truth now? • Seelentau 愛 議 07:10, July 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * The line in chapter 4 is, "The truth was that neither of the three sand siblings had inherited the Fourth Kazekage's jutsu." Without knowing more of the context in chapter 5, I don't know how to reconcile the two. ~SnapperTo 07:18, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

Gonna reply to everything here.

1. That first sentence is 'However, the shield completely defended against the spear.' But yep. It later says 'A shield of sparkling metal particles repelled the spear of water.' I had to read that part before I was 100% certain.

2. Seelentau is right about that. He's never used this before, so it's got nothing to do with his sand manipulation.

3. The book was probably lying? This comes later in chapter 5, so I'd take this as the truth. The fact that this is supposed to be a surprise is pretty important, I think. Probably trying to get you to think he didn't have it, then... bam.--EmotionalRockfish (talk) 08:09, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

More info please> Also does it mention what natures Magnet consists of? Just wondering if it confirms Wind and Earth.--Elve Talk Page 11:39, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

Gaara has Magnet Release, who cares. If he didn't get it from his dad he should have gotten it from Shukaku anyways... QuakingStar (talk) 17:28, July 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not seeing the big deal....if this is true, let's just tag him as ~novel only and be on our mary way.--Mina [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] talk 20:58, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

The big deal is that its a dream come true. Alota people were saying he possessed Magnet Release even before it was confirmed...this is like History in the Making. Also, since the writer for the Gaara Hiden novel is worked with Kishi on the Boruto Movie (saw it somewhere on the wiki), we can expect to see Gaara using the Magnet Release (hopefully!) in the film. --Kyle Ethan (talk) 21:08, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

The book says nothing about the individual natures, unfortunately. --EmotionalRockfish (talk) 14:51, July 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's pretty simple. Jin no Sho listed only three basic natures for Gaara: Wind, Lightning & Earth. His father has: Wind, Earth, Water & Yin. The two share: Wind & Earth. Problem solved.--JOA2015:11, July 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Gaara's natures have no influence on this, though. Even if he didn't have earth or wind, Magnet Release would still be made up of those. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:24, July 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * I know all of that, still paranoid about a possible error though. Maybe they omitted Lightning for Rasa by an accident and it's actually Lightning+Earth or hell Lightning+Wind. @Seel, not unless he too has Magnet Release.--Elve Talk Page 15:25, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

The novels are a part of the New Era Project, correct? If so, they are canon. Not novel-canon. Just canon. It's a sad thing we've been in denial for this long.--Reliops (talk) 09:33, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Applying this flawed logic, the Naruto live play is also canon? >.>--Omojuze (talk) 09:51, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't recall the live plays being mentioned as part of New Era Project. Do you?--Reliops (talk) 09:55, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Naruto Project, 2015 first on the list >.>--Omojuze (talk) 10:00, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Am I understand you correctly if you were referring to an re-enactment of canon story material as your argument? If so: wat.--Reliops (talk) 11:16, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's still not what canon is~ • Seelentau 愛 議 11:37, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * The live-play is an re-enactment. That doesn't mean the story material isn't canon - it already was. Also listed under the New Era Project banner we have The Last, the Boruto movie and a bunch of info books - all of which are canon. That means the novels must be too. By what logic are you proposing to picking and choosing what is and is not canon?--Reliops (talk) 19:52, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * No, that's not the logic we're using. We're using the logic that the original material (the manga) is the canon. Everything that's adapted from it (movies, games, novels, ...) is not canon. The only exception are The Last (chapter 699.5) and Boruto The Movie (because Kishimoto declared it canon). • Seelentau 愛 議 20:19, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Who is this "we" you're referring to? Regardless, your logic is faulty - that's a matter of fact. As is the fact that the New Era Project is an extension of the franchise and all that falls under it is canonical. This goes for the movies, the data books, and yes, the novels. There is no picking and choosing based on preference.--Reliops (talk) 21:17, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * The wiki, of course. If you can give me proof that everything that's part of the Naruto Project is said to be part of the manga, then please do so. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:20, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Two editors cannot speak on behalf of the entire wiki. The proof is right in front of you. The novels, data books and The Last fill in the gaps in between 699 and 700. The Boruto movie carries on the franchise and its companion info books provide additional information. All of this falls under the same banner. They all fill in the void. By what hair-brained logic have you come to deduce the novels are not canonical? There is no reasonable explanation other than your inherit bias against being wrong, which shouldn't surprise me since obstinance and pleading ignorance when convenient is your MO for dealing with arguments you know you can't win.--Reliops (talk) 22:51, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * No proof for your words and personal attacks instead. Just what I expected. Go insult someone else please, I don't have time for your antics. Thanks <3 • Seelentau 愛 議 23:05, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello!? 1st: Calm your tits. 2nd: The novels contradict with the canon, so no, they are not canon, this information is enough to say that. 3rd: The discussion about the canonicity of the novels (and how we will handle them) already happened, quite a while ago, and it was decided this way. Just because you missed it, doesn't mean you can go on a rant because of it. 4th: You say 2pple. Well. You're just one person. Also, wiki(s) are not a place for democracy, believe me, I've learned it the hard way.--Omojuze (talk) 23:07, July 26, 2015 (UTC)

How do they contradict canon? I thought the only rationale to consider them non-canon was that they are written by 3rd part authors.--Elve Talk Page 23:36, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sakura Hiden - Sasuke has a second arm, Canon Storyline: He doesn't :)--Omojuze (talk) 23:48, July 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Proof?--Elve Talk Page 23:57, July 26, 2015 (UTC)

Sensor Type
Since when? Does that also come from Gaara Hiden?--BeyondRed (talk) 18:47, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Na, but he used sensing sand. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:11, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Concealed Sand Picture Cat is a sensing technique.--Omojuze (talk) 20:25, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression we only considered those with an innate ability to sense chakra to be sensor types. Sage Mode is also a sensing technique, yet its users are not listed as sensors (not for that reason, anyway).--BeyondRed (talk) 20:56, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Because Sage Mode is not a sensory technique. Sensing Technique is a sensory technique too. This one is just a fancy variation of it, as to say.--Omojuze (talk) 21:04, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, technically Gaara really just uses his chakra sand to check the area and if it touches something, he knows that it's there. He can't sense chakra or people by himself, so I wouldn't say for sure that it's a sensing technique. The databook calls it a "physical sensing technique", by the way. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:07, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * contact sensing technique. Just implies a fancy way of doing it tbh.--Omojuze (talk) 21:10, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, he obviously can't sense chakra with it, so there's the difference to actually sensing someone. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:16, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not true... I think. Can't he sense who's chakra is it, like he did with Mū and the Giant Clam?--Omojuze (talk) 21:18, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not according to the databook. Dunno what the manga says, haven't read those parts in a long time. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:23, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Honestly, the databook says nothing about it, with the exception of it being a sensing technique.--Omojuze (talk) 21:28, July 11, 2015 (UTC)

According to its debut in the databook, Gaara didn't even use Concealed Sand Picture Cat until he found the clam, meaning he used a different technique to detect Mū. Then again, some of those debuts are blatantly wrong, so who knows?--BeyondRed (talk) 21:30, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * The databook says that the sand clings to the enemy to reveal its outline. Nothing about chakra. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:31, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Guess it needs to sense the chakra to know where the enemy is.. Honestly, I'm picking straws here. "Sensory Technique", however, says enough that it does, in fact, sense. But what, I have no idea then >.>--Omojuze (talk) 21:34, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * It is a sensing technique, just not one that senses chakra. Does that make Gaara a sensor type? No idea. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:36, July 11, 2015 (UTC)

Sparkling Metallic Sand
In the "Gaara Hiden", Gaara uses sparkling metallic sand. Sand, Iron Sand, Gold Dust... Perhaps, we should create a page for this "Metal Sand". --Sharingan91 (talk) 08:32, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not enough info. An article for a single (may I add speculative) sentence when it can be mentioned in the character's page is enough, at least for me anyways.--Omojuze (talk) 09:00, August 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not only that, wasn't it a simple add-on to pre-existing technique? A seperate article is unnecessary if that's the case.--Mina [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] talk 13:22, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

Sky Sand Defensive Wall
So, I noticed Gaara used a technique in The Last that isn't listed: the "Wind Release: Sky Sand Defensive Wall" (I believe I heard "Fūton: Kūsabōhei", but that's best left to someone with skills in Japanese and access to the movie. I only have the latter.—Mina Țepeș 04:55, January 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * It is already listed: Air Sand Protective Wall. --JouXIII (talk) 13:46, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Magnet Release "Novel Only"?
I'm sorry to bring this topic up again (and no I'm not going to continue preaching that the novels are as canon as we are going to get), but think about it: If Shukaku grants Magnet Release, and Gaara kept all his jinchuriki powers, why is his Magnet Release listed as "Novel Only"? Process of association makes it he had it from birth. Seems Magnet Release is used to control the sand. Shock Dragoon (talk) 17:26, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it's because he's only explicitly shown/stated to be using it in the novel. If he's explicitly shown/stated to be using Magnet Release in the manga or anime, then the "Novel Only" tag will most likely be removed, as with the "Manga/Anime Only" ability tags that get removed if/when a character is shown using a technique in another form of media. Arawn 999 (talk) 18:05, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, in the novel, the Magnet Release is attributed to being inherited from Rasa instead of retaining it from being Shukaku's jinchuriki. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:28, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * Granted but I think we're all missing the bigger point: Shukaku gives Magnet Release, and Gaara still has his jinchuriki powers ergo, Gaara's Magnet Release isn't "Novel Only". Perhaps he used TWO variants (Shukaku and Rasa variants) in the novel, but the bigger point is, by process of association and facts, Gaara's Magnet Release shouldn't be listed as "Novel Only". Shock Dragoon (talk) 18:34, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * Who's to say that Shukaku gives Gaara Magnet Release tho? Shield of Sand was at first attributed as an ability that Shukaku provides, and that was proven false, so why make assumptions?--BerserkerPhantom (talk) 19:17, May 20, 2016 (UTC)

...what? Gaara doesn't have his beast's powers. What you're basically saying is "Gaara has Magnet Release because he still has Magnet Release". • Seelentau 愛 議 20:13, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * Naruto gained Magnet Release from Shukaku and Gaara (in case people forget) was his jinchuriki. That all points to Gaara has/had access to Magnet Release since he was Shukaku's jinchuriki. Shock Dragoon (talk) 20:16, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * Naruto didn't "gain" Magnet Release, Shukaku lent it to him. Gaara did not have access to Magnet Release because Shukaku never lent it to him. What's more, Gaara does not have his beast's powers. Those are Magnet Release and Sealing Techniques and he displayed neither. Sand control is something he does with his own chakra and his Shield of Sand stems from his mother. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:23, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * Wait, you're kidding me right, jinchuriki gain access to their Tailed-Beast's abilities whether the Tailed-Beast is okay with it or not, remember Roshi, Han, and Yugito all had abilities that were unique to their Tailed-Beasts aka the Lava and Boil release and Yugito mastery of fire and the cat abilites; and That's not even bringing up B's ability to produce ink. Gaara would be no exception to this rule with Shukaku's Magnet Release abilities. Shock Dragoon (talk) 20:43, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not kidding you. If your beast doesn't like you, it won't give you its power/chakra. That's the whole point of Naruto defeating and later befriending Kurama: To gain access to its powers, first through force and then through friendship. There was no friendship between Gaara and Shukaku and Gaara never fought Shukaku, right? Plus, Roshi himself has Lava Release, it's not something he solely got through Son. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:48, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * And yet Gaara could freely manipulate sand due to Shukaku, no? Even after it got extracted from him. --Rai 水 (talk) 07:01, May 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * No, Gaara manipulates sand with his chakra. Shukaku can just do the same. It's like Roshi and Son. • Seelentau 愛 議 08:28, May 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * Then what about Han and Kokuō, both have boil release, your saying Han and Roshi just had Boil and Lava beforehand as well. See, your saying these jinchuriki just magically and randomly have abilities identical to their tailed beast. Why seal a creature that give lava, boil, and others into guys who can already do it? The series already explained jinchuriki gain abilities from their beasts regardless, it's just the amount of power depends on the amount of cooperation. EVERY jinchuriki has shown abilities identical to their beast regardless of co-op.Shock Dragoon (talk) 12:23, May 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * Dunno about Han and Kokuo, but Han has a Steam Armor, he may very well be able to produce steam on his own. And I'm not saying Roshi had Lava Release before, the databook says that. The series didn't explain that they gain their abilities regardless of their friendship. And Gaara hasn't shown any ability unique to Shukaku. • Seelentau 愛 議 12:28, May 21, 2016 (UTC)