Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150512133037/@comment-4061125-20150730195532

Honestly, I just feel like there's a disconnect with Hiruzen. I believe that originally, at the beginning of the entire Naruto series, Minato and Hiruzen were supposed to be considered the most powerful hokage. Clearly, a lot was retconned in terms of their strength level while Hashirama and Tobirama were given an upgrade in terms of power. Then there's the fact that we haven't seen either Tobirama nor Hiruzen's potential. We don't know what jutsu Hiruen knows or doesn't know, but we know that he was famed to know all the jutsu in konoha. The question is whether that was retconned as well. On Tobirama's part, we know that he is considered the best water style user in the world, but yet we never saw any of his water style jutsu in the war. He's also known to be just slightly weaker than Hashirama and Madara, but we don't know why he's that powerful because we haven't seen all of his skills. His chakra reserves are also huge and his control is good enough to perform jutsu by making seals with one hand. So in the end, we have no clue what either one can or cannot do. Therefore, in my opinion, there's no real facts or ways to tell who would have won. Pre-retcon, Hiruzen would have won. Now, there's no way to tell at all because we have seen so little of them after the retcon.