Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180904092641

CombatIQmatters wrote: This is going in circles.

Here are the two main issues:

1.You keep saying the eyes bare no signifiance as if kishimoto drew it there for some aesthetic preference. The change in eye pattern is there to indicate that naruto was already in rsm. if he wasn't in rsm, how did he kick the tso without any adverse effects? It's obvious that he doesn't need to be using his bijuuchakra/ bijuucloak to be in rsm. we have seen jugo have a similiar eye pattern when he enters his own variant of sage mode.

2. naruto was a juubi jinchruki, but he was also only user of rsm (again obito and madara aren't users of rsm, they are ONLY user of mere six path senjutsu. clearly, hagoromo himself has to grant you that mode, so its completely different from ridoku senjutsu, which is what gave naruto, obito, and madara their bijuu cloak properties and truth seeking orbs. And I see you keep equating rsm to ridoku senjutsu when they are different. where it was stated that hagoromo gave rsm to naruto because he has the juubi chakra? without rsm, naruto would still have ridoku senjutsu and be the same as madara and obito, but he wouldn't have the change in eye pattern.

Please explain.

1. Repeated argument. You asked an important question, how did Naruto kick the TSOs if he wasn’t in rsm. I answered this in the OP. The eyes are significant to sage mode, not rsm. Lack of sage mode eyes doesn’t mean they are rsm eyes. There is no confirmation of what rsm eyes look like. Naruto’s had those same eyes with only kurama’ power and sage mode. They don’t mean anything to rsm because there is nothing in canon you can point to verifying the contrary. It was a guess made at a time where less was known. This post is here to update to topics using all that we know now. Which is much more than years ago presumably when that theory got popular. If you believe eyes are relevant to the form, prove it. I’m not asking you to point to a form other than rsm. No false equivalences. Just show me the proof of rsm. If you have that proof, I’ll concede.

2. You have under stand the dynamic between rsm and rikudo senjutsu. Rsm is powered by rikudo senjutsu, just like sage mode isnpowerrd by senjutsu. No one is disputing who gave Naruto rsm. This about what pier is eeded to use it. Why would you even mention this when the OP specifically clarifies this. You say this is going in circles because you keep returning to questions and things I’ve already explained.

Unless you can point out any other sage mode that is used without senjutsu, you must concede that rikudo senjutsu is required to enter rsm. You also must concede to the novel stating Naruto was a juubi jinchuriki, which we all know leads to rikudo senjutsu. Going back back and looking at the timeline would reveal that Naruto in fact spent time kneading juubi chakra prior to entering rsm.

If you get that then we are clear. I also suggest reading the OP again.