Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20171028231750/@comment-27924662-20171103072030

Thekillman wrote: It's within Madara's power to subjugate Kurama and use him as a summon. Similarly it's within Hashirama's power to absorb nature energy and use it for his own ends. Power is power, internal or external. They are definitely not the same things. Hashirama is using the ability of his strong body just like madara uses his dojutsu. Kurama or any other summon would technically would be addition of foes especially when hashirama didn't use summon to fight back. Thekillman wrote: Besides, in that fight the primary use of Kurama was to counteract hashirama's sage mode (since Hashirama was forced into it by Majestic Kurama, and afterwards used massive chakra and nature energy to subjugate kurama). We count Kurama as Naruto's power, the same way we count Rinnegan as Nagato's power. If you can use something, then it's fair game. Well not counting the end of shippuden, Kurama was acting just like chakra reservoir. He wasn't helping naruto the way he helped madara. And besides if someone defeats Naruto with Kurama's chakra we do concede as both being defeated. If you follow your line of logic than Edo tensei are equally valid. Afterall the summoner of dead army has also subjugated them. Thekillman wrote: And in the end, both men were dead tired and Hashirama won with a single clone jutsu left. Meaning it was very close. That wasn't the case, Hashirama was clearly frustrated by madara's attempts at destroying the village. He didn't consider killing him until he realized that madara would keep coming back for more. It's quite clear that Hashirama had enough chakra to fool madara with clone. Madara on other hand couldn't keep even basic sharingan activated. It's clear who was superior and the fight wasn't same as both fighting alone. @Killman Than since you are satisfied with Madara using Kurama perhaps you won't hold it against me if I suggest Tobirama using Hashirama as Edo tensei?