Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34752936-20180221075521/@comment-33286580-20180307225021

LegionZero wrote:

Sasuke never dodged Raikage's full speed. In fact, im fairly certain he never fought him at full speed.

Deva Path never took a direct hit from 4-6 Tailed Naruto.... Konahamaru's Rasengan is far smaller and less potent than Narutos. Base Part 1 Kabuto walked away from a normal sized Rasengan. Obito walked away from a KCM1 Rasengan. Kakashi would have killed Deva path twice with Raikiri. Pain's bodies are not durable in the slightest and get one-shotted fairly easily. A Base Rasengan finishing Pain is not a feat for the Rasengan, its actually further proving my point that without hax jutsu to protect Pain, the paths are not particularly durable.

this is not about Sasuke... so not really caring to answer that one.

the Pein one...

Yes, most Pein paths are weak. Konohamaru just happened to go against the weakest path. that path was more about technique ranther than physical power.

i dont know about others, but the feat of strength of SM Naruto i take from the paths is him tearing to pieces Asura Path. it is physically the strongest path. it survived being squashed by Choji and CHoja's giant hand punch and was still able to move around

The Raikage are some of the faster shinobi but not the fastest. 3rdRai has not been stated to be even relative to 4thRai. Until there are statements or feats to put 3rdRai up there with the likes of Minato, 4thRai, Tobirama, and Naruto then he isnt all that fast. In fact, KCM1 was necessary to dodge Full Speed 4thRai but not to evade 3rdRai just shows that he is significantly slower.

i am not putting 3rd Raikage on level of full powered A. but he is damn fast. the thing here is that Gai is not as fast as him or at least on his level.

KCM1 Naruto wouldnt have any problem dodging 3rd Raikage, but it never really came there as the clone used up all the Kyubi chakra it had trying to use TBB. the clone had no other option but to bank on SM.

Hirudora one shots Madara Full Body Susanoo. When has Rasenshurken or UBB Rasengan done that or destroyed something of a similar level??

it is never shown to be so, no manga panel or shot in anime is shown so. Madara is all fine when he is seen. there is much debate whether Hirudora worked or not.

UBB Rasengan is said to cave in mountains and Madara had to literally use the Rinnegan against Rasenshuriken and he himself believed it contained to much power.

A significantly smaller Rasengan from a significantly weaker character, in fact one of the weakest at the time being just a Genin, took out a Path of Pain. But they are suppose to be durable?

Yeah. agreed. Konohamaru only got the path done in because of the bad durability of the path and even if small he had at least a powerful jutsu at hand. nothing else that Konohamaru could use would have done in the Path.

You are treating this like Naruto did anything reflexively. He had time to prepare a Rasengan, rush at 3rdRai, and dodged and countered as one swift movement. It wasn't a situation where he realized 3rdRai was close, then dodged, then performed a Rasengan with precision all in the last second. This is why there isn't a speed feat here. Naruto the fact that Naruto executed a pre-formulated plan makes what he did the opposite of reacting.

i never said it wasnt planned. i particularly said it was planned.

Naruto formulated his actions.

but just because he made a plan does not mean it had to work. he made it work.

he indeed formed Rasengan beforehand, but this was the precise dodge at the last moment and striking in that very moment.

even against Gai he can charge him with a Rasegan, do the dodge and attack.

but this one is particularly used, by me atleast, to have Naruto dodge Gai's incoming first sprint attack on him and attack with a punch, using Frog Kata or enhanced SM strenght. he doesnt really have to do preparations for them like he does for Rasengan