Talk:Kurama

Gender
This page is locked so could someone add male as his gender since we agreed on it. Munchvtec (talk) 12:49, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * We didn't agree on Kurama. For all we know, it may have a vagina. The others either have masculine names, titles, adjectives or male-specific sexual dimorphism.--Elve Talk Page 12:55, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * um...Kurama is definitely a male. his voice is proof enough no? Munchvtec (talk) 13:07, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Nope it isn't. Naruto is a male and is voiced by a female in both the subs and dubs. So yeah, not really proof of anything. --Sajuuk Talk Page 13:11, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

meh. i guess you guys are right. Munchvtec (talk) 13:15, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto's Jinchuriki stat
Can someone please remove the "Yang half and Yin half" of Naruto in Kurama's infobox? Naruto now has both halves restored inside of him, making him the same as Mito and Kushina were with Kurama. —Steveo920 (Talk) 16:37, December 10, 2014
 * Does he, though? I thought about this ever since the last chapter was released: How do we know that the Kurama inside Naruto is complete? • Seelentau 愛 議 15:45, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * Wasn't that stated in the final chapter / The Last movie? --Sajuuk talk 15:46, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * It was never mentioned in either the last or chapter 700, we just presume Kurama is complete just like Rock Lee has a son. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 15:50, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * We have enough reasons to assume that it's his son. We have no reason to assume that Kurama is complete, or did I miss anything? • Seelentau 愛 議 15:50, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * Based on the conversation just before Sasuke went batshit on everybody again, Hagoromo told Kurama (the one outside) that he should be resealed back in Naruto and Kurama being the cute Tsundere he is said "Okay". Would make very little sense for Kurama to NOT be resealed after that. Now being complete again, well the last page only had the one Kurama so it would be pretty odd to end the series with the Kurama we haven't been following the entire series.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 15:55, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

If you didn't see 2 Kuramas talking inside of Naruto in The Last then you know the answer Seel.--Elve Talk Page 16:03, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * Why two Kuramas? I assumed that one wasn't sealed. Hagoromo's words are convincing enough, though. Thanks TU3. • Seelentau 愛 議 16:21, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Manga Debut
Kurama's actual manga debut was when Naruto was about to summon Gamabunta right? If so I'll change that information but I just want to be sure.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 06:49, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * Uh, didn't Kurama appear in an "and the Fourth Hokage sealed the Nine-Tails in a child" passage in the first chapter? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:09, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * Correct Omnibender, Episode 1/Chapter 1. Cloud seems to like adding incorrect information to articles, but he won't be replying since he was blocked for a week for abusing forum access. --Sajuuk talk 19:17, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * The proposal is consistent with what is done in other articles, where a character has cameos before their actual, formal debuts. See Obito, Sai, Tsunade, and more recently Minato.
 * I agree with the debut change. ~SnapperTo 03:36, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * Since I'm back I can now explain as to why I put this. Sasuke had a cameo in chapter 1 but his official debut was chapter 3 as such his infobox put his debut at chapter 3. A mere mention and/or cameo doesn't count as a debut. You need to have a speaking role. Also, inaccurate information where? And give me some credit I had the common sense to proposal this change here before doing it.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 14:11, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * EDIT: If I don't get a counter-argument in about six hours I'm going to go through with the change and refer anyone to disagrees here in the edit summary if they don't agree.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 14:17, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope, you can't just make a change without consensus like that, it'll just be reverted. Also, don't insert your replies in between others, things must be in chronological order on a talkpage. --Sajuuk talk 14:42, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Understood. Also, regarding the debut, Kurama was simply mentioned. It wasn't a real debut. Take Sasuke Sarutobi for example. He was mentioned in chapter 500. If he were to make an actual appearance, his debut would be changed to that chapter. The same applies here to Kurama. He or it was only mentioned in chapter one and his first actual appearance was chapter 95 when Naruto asked for its chakra to summon Gamabunta.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 15:11, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually no, he is physically seen and named in the very first episode and the very first chapter. I even remember that episode, despite having not watched it in years, which shows him very clearly. --Sajuuk talk 15:19, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * I believe you were talking about episode 1 at the beginning. I am talking about chapter 1.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 15:20, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Chapter 1 Page 20 --Sarutobii2 (talk) 15:25, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * I completely missed that. Alright I am overruled :P.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 15:29, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Elements
What does the DB say about the elements Kurama uses and if the Fire and Wind elements aren't just anime only?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 05:33, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't recall DB ever saying anything about Kurama having elements. Fire and wind are there on account of stuff the anime added to Naruto's fight against Pain. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:25, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

The Last: Naruto The Movie
Does summoning Kurama means Tailed Beast Mode? Or summoning it outside of Naruto's body? If it's the latter, I want to update the jinchūriku page, but want to be sure.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 03:49, December 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * Unlike the situation with the Ten-Tails where it was stated that the giant tree was an extension of Obito's body, Kurama in the Last, as far as I can gather, was Kurama just out of Naruto, just like how he did it in Road to Ninja. In other words, unless Naruto was in full control of Kurama, much like he would a clone, it was not Tailed Beast Mode. At least as far as I can gather.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 11:55, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Also, why did Kurama at first take the chakra form but later appeared as the flesh form?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 21:43, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

Arrogant vs Blunt
I don't think arrogant is correct. As NinjaShielk said, arrogant means overstating one's abilities. Kurama did support its statement of being the strongest tailed beast by single-handedly overpowering multiple at once, knocking several back with a Tailed Beast Roar, and creating a TBB equal to 5 combined. At the same time, it admits it doesn't stand a chance against the Ten-Tails alone and warned the other Tailed Beasts not to underestimate Madara due to its past with him. In sum, I would say it's not arrogant, rather it is blunt and honest and isn't modest about its abilities either.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 08:20, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

What chapter is that scene from?-- Ninja Sheik  20:30, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

Claiming itself to be the strongest is 567. Going up against 5 others is 571. Knowing its inferiority to the ten-tails is 594. Knowing Madara is not to be underestimated is 659.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 23:02, April 16, 2016 (UTC)

Shouldn't we also factor in by 571, Kurama's power is greater due to the fact he's willingly to cooperate with Naruto now? Gyūki debunked that claim in 567, the Ten-Tails had the power of all of the tailed beasts' chakra, and Madara by 659 had the power of the Rinnegan again. Just because he's afraid of Madara doesn't mean he's less arrogant for his claim in 571. You got to consider the circumstances of the battle.-- Ninja Sheik  18:28, April 17, 2016 (UTC)

Jinchuriki draw their powers from their tailed beast in the end. Also, Kurama was talking about the one to nine-tails because the ten-tails didn't exist at that point. He wasn't afraid of Madara. He was more cautious of Madara due to his past experiences with him, hence Kurama warning the others Madara is not "just a human".Cloudtheavenger (talk) 19:08, April 17, 2016 (UTC)

What, exactly, is your argument? In 571, what was Kurama doing? Being uncooperative and arrogant, believing that the tailed beasts' are determined by the number of tails. You are not actually presenting how Kurama's power is greater than the other tailed beasts. 'Cause when he finally stops being stubborn, his power and Naruto's power are combined together. But unless you showed proof that Kurama, and him only, is stronger than any tailed beasts, then your argument is kind of invalid.-- Ninja Sheik  22:11, April 18, 2016 (UTC)
 * Arrogant, blunt, got rid of them both. There are much better things to do than bicker and get pages potentially protected over the usage of one word in an article, guys. 22:35, April 19, 2016 (UTC)

Sage
If Kurama can wield Natural Energy, wouldn't that make it a sage?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 20:22, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. And Why Son Gokū yes??--Sharingan91 (talk) 14:30, September 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * So Kurama's a sage now.... o...k? 04:31, September 5, 2016 (UTC)
 * Missed this somehow. The main thing that would determine how this goes is what exactly Kurama did. I'm assuming this is due the gathering of natural energy during the last fight with Sasuke in the Valley of the End, prior to three-headed, six-armed Kurama? If so, I think it all depends on what exactly Kurama did, and if it was indeed Kurama. From what we saw when Naruto trained, lots of people were able to draw in natural energy, but only turned into statue. I'd say that to qualify as a sage, one must be able to balance natural energy with normal chakra to make senjutsu chakra. Even if it's not perfect, as seen by Jiraiya, I think that is the bare minimum to be a sage. Now, back the the VotE battle. If I'm not mistaken, Naruto making a shadow clone in the Kurama avatar still means there's a Naruto shadow clone doing the gathering of natural energy. I don't specifically recall Kurama gathering natural energy by itself, but even if it did, unless Kurama itself balanced the natural energy with physical and spiritual energy to make senjutsu chakra, I would not call Kurama a sage. Son is only listed as a sage because it was explicitly called one, despite there being no indication of actual senjutsu use, similar to how Hagoromo was listed as a sage just as a holy image way before it was revealed he did use senjutsu. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 05:57, September 5, 2016 (UTC)