Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34194151-20180904170341

@Hagoromo

I read the OP. Hagoromo changed the rules when he gave naruto ridoku sage mode. All we know is that he gave him the ability to use it without relying on the bijuu chakra. You aren't understanding me, and it's not your fault, the terminology is very confusing to me.

I can prove you are misunderstanding me, whereas I understand you: 1.You are saying that rsm requires ridoku senjutsu specifically from the 9 tailed beasts inside of him, when there is no proof of that. Naruto was using it without any bijuu cloak. Technically though, if you believe that hagormo got his six paths senjutsu not through learning but by stealing juubi chakra from kaguya during their fight, then technically it still traces back to the juubi, but in this case it was given through hagoromo.

2. you are saying that rsm requires ridoku senjutsu. True, but no one said that hagoromo wasn't capable of providing this to naruto himself. why can't the chakra greater than kurama be hagoromo's chakra himself?

3. you are saying that hagoromo gave him the mode, but he can only enter it under the condition that he has the chakra of all 9 bijuu within him. But this is redundant. all 9 bijuu inside of him would have already satisfied the condition of granting him six paths senjutsu, allowing him to use truth seeking orbs and giving him the modified bijuu cloak. so hagormo's rsm buff was something separate.

4. You are saying that naruto was kneading chakra and building up to getting his bijuu cloak. That's a fine theory, but it could just as easily be that ridoku sage mode is an independent buff. He already had 6 paths senjutsu from being gifted it by hagoromo, just like sasuke was gifted hag's 6 paths chakra allowing him to accelerate the development of his rinnegan.

In conclusion, All I'm saying is that naruto got two separate buffs. He got half of hagoromo's chakra which gave him 6 paths senjutsu and the ability to use 6 paths sage mode (Again, independent of bijuu chakra), then having all 9 bijuu gave him the modified kurama cloak plus truth seeking orbs.

Well, I would have to do more spot checking, but where it was stated or shown that he isn't using six path sage mode in boruto or the movies?? I believe the eyes have relevance because well, they look like sage mode eyes. Isn't it reaching a bit to say that the eyes have no connection at all to his six paths age mode? It isn't frog sage mode, he didn't have a kurama cloak at the time, so if you rule those out, what else is left exactly? By your logic, he shouldn't have been able to kick away the tso because he wasn't in rsm yet at the time.