User talk:TheUltimate3/Archive 12

I need help, please
Ya, I wondered about that, too. Gotta see what the raw says. Seelentau 愛議 14:12, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

So...
it seems we have a deeper problem in this wiki. I got that feeling ever since ShounenSuki left. He was the calm that held the wiki together and now that he's gone, every discussion turns ape-shit in a couple of hours. See Blaze Release. I asked Elve-kun to start a discussion and left for maybe four hours, and when I come back, there are multiple replies with accusations and bolded words, because we all know that someone who bolds his words is right and the others are wrong.

Ever since I began here, I only wanted to clarify stuff, since I'm most likely the one with the most Naruto knowledge, at least in the German fandom. I never intended to give my personal views on happenings, every discussion I began was based on the manga and what he gives us. But most of the time, I'm confronted with ignorance and words like bias or so.

You remember when Suki did his New Years Fact Checking or whatever he called it? He explained some stuff and BAMM, everyone believed him, no big deal. Now I do the same, I explain to you guys what Enton, Senjutsu and all that stuff is, all based on the manga and everything, but in return I get "discussions" as seen on the Blaze Release talk page.

If it was a random fan who wanted to tell us otherwise because he simply doesn't know better, I'd do it like you and not start a big discussion. But I am by no means a random fan. As I said before, I'm Seelentau, I know my stuff and I believe you guys should trust me a little more, instead of telling me to go and beat dead dolphin horse babies or whatever.

Anyways, I think we need to find a new calm. I originally intended to be it, but apparently, I'm not suited for it. So what do we do? I don't wanna go the current road any longer (or at all). • Seelentau 愛 議 22:00, June 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * If I may offer a solution: maybe Seelentau should replace Suki as a sysop in the capacity of the site's translator. Considering Suki has, in effect, left the wiki, I think this is the most appropriate thing to do. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 22:02, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * The problem we are having is that everyone's ego is damn too high and each one of us wants to be right and command the others. That's pretty much all. Having had a single figure (Suki) that we followed had its pros imo. Because now, we all want to be Suki. To put it into better words: People demand democracy and want to overthrow the monarch. But once the rule is in their hands, they start fighting against each other--Elveonora (talk) 23:04, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, both of you for your feedback. The decision on who should be a sysop is not mine to make. That lies with Dantman.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 23:18, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ya, thank you guys for replying. But I don't think making me a Sysop is going to solve the core problem. It doesn't make me more correct than the rest of you guys or in any way better than you. I think the only little thing most of you need to understand is that I in fact see things as black and white when it comes to the manga. At least 95% of everything I write during discussions is based on what the manga gave us. That's also why I don't understand anyone who calls me biased or a fanboy. It could very well be that I'm blinded by myself or so, but if you really want to prove me wrong, calling me something or saying I beat things isn't the right way. I mean, we all work towards the same goal and when I present you guys a possible mistake, it's your job to prove me wrong, not prove why you're right or call me anything. For example, I wrote on the Blaze Release discussion

"that it was cast from one eye, and then manipulated with the other. - but that is not the case. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:38, June 25, 2014 (UTC)"

Now, I say that never happened and the easiest way to prove me wrong would simply be to give me a manga chapter where it happened. From there on, we could discuss further.

Another thing that comes to mind, again related to Blaze Release, is how some of you handle new information. Sasuke used no Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi, but a normal Kagutsuchi (whatever that is). Instead of accepting it as something new, you guys say that it's not something that needs to be discussed, for whatever reason. But I believe that it shines a new light on things. So what are we going to do? • Seelentau 愛 議 09:33, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * The main problem lies in the manga itself. I don't know how you guys see it, but in the past, everything that happened in the manga was easy to understand and document. Lately, there pops up so much stuff that's not explained completely or just gives flimsy hints towards things we already took for granted, so the the fans are forced to link the recent events with the "old knowledge" by themselves. Naturally, people interpret certain key elements different than others, and that's where discussions start. Just look at the ridiculously long debates about "Naruto having Magma Release", "Naruto and the 9 Tailed Beasts inside him in general", "Kaguya's eye being a Sharingan or not", "Blaze Release being something we did not think about before or so..." and it goes on and on and on.
 * Of course it's a problem how quickly discussions start to get out of control. I deliberately refrain myself from participating in any of these debates as I know that I will quickly lose any motivation to come to the wiki itself - just because it never goes forward. To spreak in fanboy-language, it reminds me of Izanagi.
 * Making somebody an admin for this reason is again not legit enough for me, but that's not for me to decide either. For future discussions with seemingly no end: A good action in my eyes is to, for once, not continue until every participant hates each other even more while there's still no consensus reached, but instead agree on a way to write down the discussed subject in a way everybody can agree on. If that's not the case, write down both versions as possible probabilities. I know this wiki does not include speculation, but a conclusion based on the own argumentation is also speculation in its own way. I mean, nobody can't really say what's going on in Kishimoto's head, right?
 * The argument "I can't go back on what I said as I am 100% sure it's right" is also no warranty for a victory in the discussion. The opposing participants think so just as well. What gives anybody the right to think that his or her thoughts are superior to others? Norleon (talk) 10:36, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * @Seelentau: I don't recall anybody has called you a fanboy. The term get's thrown at everyone else though. That being said, in response to "that it was cast from one eye, and then manipulated with the other. - but that is not the case" comment, when we first see the Kagutsuchi, in chapter 464 states that he Sasuke casts the Amaterasu with his left eye, then manipulates it with the right, which we see in what basically amounts to slow motion in this current chapter. Unless of course you mean to tell me that what has been in the chapter for damn near four years is wrong then by the Old, this wiki we have much much bigger problems. And to a "normal" Kagutsuchi because it dropped the prefix, I will point out to this technique which I was told over and over had to have Wind Release, despite not having it as a suffix.
 * So what are we going to do? At this point, I want to us to stop assuming everything we see is new unless it is actually explained as being new. We have a wealth of information that Kishimoto has already provided us, if he isn't explaining anything now, then we must assume, and I know you really really hate using that word, that it is because we should already know it. But I've stated this 100 times before and naturally that blanket decision is not mine alone to make, but you know that.
 * @Norleon: Izanami. But I see your point. That would be the best course of action, it opens itself up to other issues. For example, picking at the "Naruto and the tailed beasts" thing, that got stupid when it was brought up that because Minato also had a talking tailed beast him in, that that made him a jinchuriki, but when Naruto had 9 of basically the same thing, he wasn't. Then it spiraled into stupid from there. Adjusting it to be more ambiguous could work, but then by that same token it would have to be adjusted to be just as ambiguous for Minato, and so on. And that doesn't get into the realm of infoboxes, categories, ect. The idea is sound and damn may even work. But such ambiguity would have ripples at everything.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 11:41, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm all for us stating more possibilities in the articles. Why are we so afraid of doing things such as: "Note: Hagoromo proclaimed that his mother has power of the Sharingan, while an identical eye of Madara's was called a Rinnegan. Sasuke's eye which is similar is also a Rinnegan. Currently it's unknown which is true" etc.--Elveonora (talk) 11:46, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * @TU: I don't know if I was called it directly, but I was called it indirectly, I think. But that doesn't bother me.
 * Regarding the Blaze Release thing, you're right (as far as I remember the Japanese text). So if he uses his right eye to only manipulate it, then how do you explain the instances where he has only his right eye opened? The fight against Obito comes to mind. Also, the Lava Rasen Shuriken itself is ambiguous, I or instance say it's not Wind Release. So I wouldn't count it as an example. (See? That's what discussions are. Not the horse beating thing.)
 * How does one explain something to be new? Isn't it new if it simply has never happened before? • Seelentau 愛 議 13:20, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Flames created off panel or "quick" (thus still off panel). We don't always see Naruto creating the necessary Wind Release: Rasengan or see him go through the motions of producing shadow clones, but we know he's doing that. But I do not plan to go through the Blaze Release confusion in my talk page. Consider it me losing if that'll make you feel better.
 * But what can be considered new has to actually be new. Small variation of we already know, isn't something totally world breaking new. If it was, damn near more than half of just about everything we see could be labeled a new technique, new trait, new anything, simply because it wasn't 1:1 of what we have seen before. As I stated before, regrettably using the Blaze Release I just said I didn't want to use again, we know his right eye manipulates the flames while his left creates it. What we don't need is two dedicated panels every time Sasuke points black fire arrows at something. Just as we don't need something of 4 panels for Naruto preparing a Rasenshuriken, parts of techniques are cut out to save time, because Kishimoto expects us to know what's happening because he already showed us it before. But something is new when it is actually something that has never happened before. If something happens and we are literally unable to go "Ok in the past, X happened so Y", taking into account the very first use of something, subsequent usage and the like, then that is something new. What we saw with Sasuke wasn't new because we know that is how it has always worked, we just have to use the dreaded common sense to understand that every piece of it is likely not going to be drawn down because it was essentially been a waste.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 13:47, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

weird
I could have sword that I did put your comment back. Although those beers may have something to do with it--Elveonora (talk) 22:43, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Intervention
The irony of that is astonishing since you guys replaced a much higher quality image with the current one simply because it was "too close up". --Mandon (talk) 22:46, July 5, 2014 (UTC)

Madara Uchiha editing
Look, I am not saying that I am a die-hard fan of Madara, I am just saying that sections like his Sharingan should have more specifics. A lot of cutting out took place after I spent several weeks editing it like I did other pages. I have no problem with simplifying the sections. It's just when you put a lot of work into something, you feel bad when basically it isn't considered good enough and plain cut off. I am not trying to start an edit war I am just speaking my mind.Steveo920, 18:22, July 7, 2014

Sorry if my writing style comes off as an obsessed fan, but I am not. Personally, I hate narcissists. Also, I am not asking you to restore or give the okay for me to restore my edits. I also have been simplifying sections all over the site. I am just saying you didn't have to announce to all readers that I'm "waving my dick to Madara". Steveo920, 19;34, July 7, 2014

Hey, I am open to constructive criticism. I was just giving my two cents to the subject on editing. I you think there was something wrong with my editing, that's fine. I'm all for making this site seem professional, just keep it civil and not embarrassing should others read it. Steveo920, 20:38, July 7, 2014

Request
Hi. May I ask you to look at this talkpage? It's about a missing derived jutsu and nobody answered until now. If you don't agree with what I wrote, please tell me where I'm wrong. Thanks in advance! Norleon (talk) 18:05, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Talk Page
Hi, there is no Talk Page for the Naruto Uzumaki Region Combo, I didn't edit immediately because I am not sure if we should add Flight Technique or Six Paths Sage Technique as a parent--MERCURIOUS (talk) 19:27, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I am not sure how Naruto would attack a flying opponent from all directions(from below as well) if he cannot fly.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 21:03, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Matianu.alexandruionut
I'm not getting in an edit war with him. Can you deal with him on the Rinnegan Shifting Technique page? WindStar7125  (Talk) (Contributions) 19:11, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Gantta
This Gantta guy keeps reverting edits on the Kamui page. Can you please tell him that on this wiki, we do things democratically and don't define things to suit any one person's needs? I don't wanna get into an edit war with this guy; he's a new editor and is already becoming annoying. WindStar7125  (Talk) (Contributions) 16:11, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Evidence that contrast your second paragraph was offered up in the talk section. I guess "this gantta guy" is a democratic deadbeat.

--Gantta (talk) 17:16, July 19, 2014 (UTC)Ganta

hello,nomme me sysop svp et je te mets des pages nouvelles--Sasuke449 (talk) 14:46, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

cool
Although this time I'm not talking about any merger, just listing Kaguya as jinchuuriki of the Tailed Beasts, since they are inside of her. Not listing Gedo Mazo. ok... I got it already, you want it separate at all costs, but is there a reason not to list Kaguya?--Elveonora (talk) 15:14, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Nah. Don't take this as an insult, because I know you are an intelligent guy. You are just kinda jitterish and stutterish. You see things twice as problematic as they are. They actually don't stop being separate/don't merge when inside the Gedo Mazo. I originally also thought that to be the case, but was wrong. They are just inside while chakra is syphoned from them. Had they merged, it would have been impossible to unseal them, without using creation of all things again, that is.--Elveonora (talk) 15:34, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Saying Hello and asking a Question
Hello My Name is Paul Dy. How is your Day.--Paul Anthony Dy 16:48, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

Chat
Can you please come onto the live chat ? Need to discuss something with as many sysops as possible. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 19:52, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

Kaguya
There was no need to lock the article, really.--Elveonora (talk) 15:03, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Articles are usually protected when edits are being reverted back and forth, or not? If you disagreed, you could just hit rollback and call it a day or something. But yeah, I brought it to talkpage, feel free to comment--Elveonora (talk) 15:13, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Gaara
Since I sense things quickly getting out of hand with that talk page, and wish to spare you the headache of breaking up another needless argument, I'll ask your opinion here since I know you and I can at least remain civil with each other. Gaara's eye rings and Magnet Release. The previous ruling found that we don't list Gaara as a user. Fine. He hasn't actually been seen using it, but I do think we should list him regardless. Orochimaru hasn't used Wood Release, and we list him because we know he has it. Tsunade's Lightning Release, I know that you know is a screwy situation. That being said, don't you think we have enough context clues (since that is a viable means of drawing a canon conclusion from any literature) to say that Gaara does?


 * His father, a Magnet Release user, has the same markings.
 * He has those exact markings and is the jinchūriki of a tailed beast that can use Magnet Release.
 * The argument, used by some, that Gaara's marks are from insomnia was never actually stated in either the anime or the manga. That argument, itself, was speculation born from Part I, when he was stated to not have slept since he was very young.

You and I both know that no author on the face of the planet does that for shits and giggles. I also don't believe that Kishimoto will write it in a databook. I could be wrong, but again, authors simply don't spoon feed their readers every minute detail of information. Sometimes you have to put two and two together and Kishimoto has all but flat out said it just by showing the scene of Gaara's father gaining the exact same markings as his son.

Your thoughts? I'd really appreciate it because I really don't want another drawn out, insult ridden, argument to form on a talk page meant to further the betterment of our information here on the wiki. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 21:12, July 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * Correction, Gamabunta attributed those rings to insomnia--Elveonora (talk) 21:19, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * [Edit Conflict] What Elveonora said, Gamabunta stated it in Episode 78 of the anime. I can't be certain, but it might also be stated in either Chapter 134 or Chapter 135 in the manga. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 21:21, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * Gamabunta also stated that Gaara never had any sleep his entire life (lie) and that Shukaku eats the souls of those hosts that fall asleep (also false). Gamabunta's statements, are also, hearsay, while Gaara's father demonstrating the rings is visual evidence, which, as anyone who studies criminal justice knows, trumps hearsay. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 21:25, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, But I'm going with a statement from a toad in the actual manga over a "guy on the internet"'s feelings. EDIT: @Foxie, no offense meant, but you telling us it's not insomnia despite the manga having told us it was insomnia is just too much :P--Elveonora (talk) 21:33, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

What the hell? Don't use my page as a staging ground for this fight? Take it back to Gaara's talk page.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:37, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * There's no fight, just some friendly exchange of opinions.--Elveonora (talk) 21:46, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Hey Shouldnt Naruto's Jutsu be updated with http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Scale_Powder_Creation Since the page was made and it has as user Naruto

But it doesnt display on Naruto's page....

Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 12:29, August 8, 2014 (UTC) Hey there.... Shouldnt we also put the Steam ninjutsu and Acid Creation on Naruto's jutsu page ? Since is not there.... But the pages were already made.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Acid_Creation http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Steam_Ninjutsu

Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 12:37, August 8, 2014 (UTC) Okay i see. Sorry im new to this.... :)

Re: Regarding Rabbit Monster
He says "No way, mother... here!" and then "It has... no human form!? This is no Ten-Tails Transformation through mother's will. (-) It has no stability!!". The (-) part is a little hard to translate. It's something about how the tailed beasts in Naruto's earlier attack called out to begin to split or so... • Seelentau 愛 議 10:25, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

TBB Rasenshuriken
I also disagreed with @Tau on that matter, I thought it was ridiculous that it was a TSB made up this technique. Just curious, if you disagreed with that as well, why did you allow @Tau to confirm that the TBB Rasenshuriken was made from a TSB? Only to change it now? Again, just a genuine question. WindStar7125  (Talk) (Contributions) 18:05, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, OK :). I see you're trying to lessen the amount of speculation on this wiki. WindStar7125   (Talk) (Contributions) 18:10, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Gaara and Magnet Release
I'm not interested in an edit war, only in restoring what the initial consensus came to by undoing the edits Elve made by himself. I was under the impression you disagreed with him.--Reliops (talk) 19:01, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * I find it hard to believe that you're okay with this. You surely know we won't be given any more evidence after this with the manga coming to its end and Gaara's importance over as far as the story is concerned. At what point do we say "enough" and do what is blatantly made obvious to us by the author? I say this not to continue arguing with you over a discussion you closed but because I vehemently disagree with an issue that has this much evidence in its favor being swept under the carpet. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 20:58, August 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * I won't hold your decision against you, and I'll make peace with the current state of affairs, but you definitely got one thing right, this wikia fails a little more because of that decision. Thanks for trying anyway.--Reliops (talk) 21:01, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Understood. As much as I hate it, you're right. I suppose I'll just have to hope to all Nine Divines Kishi gives us something more that they can't refute. Anyways, sorry for all the trouble. I don't go into an argument trying to cause issues but that always seems to be the result. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 21:14, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Transparency
Hey, i was wondering something. for this |image: I was thinking of editing it to remove everything but Utakata himself, as he is the point and focal point of image. tl;dr i was going to remove everything else 'cept for him over a transparent background. I know you guys don't seem to edit pictures, but as long as the main part is still there, is it acceptable?--RexGodwin (talk) 00:46, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Sage Art: Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken
Should this page be locked from editing? Editors like Bruh25 keep adding unconfirmed information on the page. There has been a crazy amount of editing on this page recently, and it's getting annoying. I'm sick of editors doing what they feel like doing and what they see fit, but I can't do anything about it (you can though, you're a sysop) so even if I can't edit it after it's locked, for the better of the wiki, can it be locked? The warning isn't working because user Animevsmanga still edited the article regardless of it. WindStar7125  (Talk) (Contributions) 20:27, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Never mind, it's been locked. WindStar7125  WindStar7125 Task.svg (Talk) (Contributions) 20:52, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

TSB Article
Considering you removed Truth-Seeking Ball as the parent technique to Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken, can you remove Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken and Multiple Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken from the Derived Jutsu section in the TSB article? I can't seem to remove it. WindStar7125  (Talk) (Contributions) 23:03, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Question: why did you remove it again?--Elveonora (talk) 09:52, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

That's what the manga makes it look like though. Question: once the anime reaches that point and Pierrot makes Naruto use his TSB to form TBB, will you add it back?--Elveonora (talk) 11:31, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Funny--Elveonora (talk) 11:59, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

lol
Never been called Speyjuuk before. That's a first. I'm probs gonna need a page of nicknames soon xD --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 12:29, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

TSB
I leave that talk page in your capable hands as I sense that it would go badly if I joined in now. But, as I said last night, that discussion just got inordinately stupid. Good luck to you, good sir. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 15:48, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

question
We have 2-3 inactive sysops (ShonenSuki, Simant and Omnibender it would seem?) wouldn't it make sense to take away at least ShonenSuki's sysop status and in case Simant doesn't show up soon, so then his? Omni either doesn't give a damn anymore and left or he is busy, but he may show up eventually.--Elveonora (talk) 18:43, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Omni isn't exactly inactive (he's only been inactive for about 2-3 weeks), but I agree that Suki's flag should be removed, he's clearly not interested in the series anymore. This might be better taken up in a thread on the forums though.... --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 18:44, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Hello!
Hello! It's been a while. I was wondering if you could fill me in on the whole... "bias" thing that I hear about everywhere. ~Hakinu (talk 13:53, August 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * I like the Allied Shinobi Forces thing from your signature, btw. Imma just go ahead and shamelessly copy it. c: ~Hakinu Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk 13:57, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

o.O
A month seems rather harsh, especially with no reason given as to why, don't you think? o.O --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 13:20, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * He's only been given the one warning atm, if he accrues another two, then.... ;) --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 13:31, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

naruto 3
--Twelvethrower24 (talk) 16:43, August 29, 2014 (UTC)third naruto show coming after the the last movie if thats true we got at least 4 to 6 years of more naruto if true and bad then we have 3 to 6 years of another GT

Hamura TSB
I put forward a motion to list Hamura as a user of TSB in |this topic. The majority are in favour. Could you either sign off on the consensus or overrule us before the discussion drags on even more?--Reliops (talk) 21:43, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why are you so keen on the majority's opinion? It shouldn't matter. 100000 people being wrong doesn't make it right.--Elveonora (talk) 21:48, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * And this conversation in my talk pages is ending. Keep it on the relevant talk page.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 21:53, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

SPST & TSB
In this discussion here, it seems we're a bit undecided on whether the TSB is a derived technique of the SPST. Due to Kaguya using a TSB, but at the same time isn't proven to be a user of the SPST, is it possible that you can remove the TSB as a derived technique of the SPST, and the latter as a parent technique of the former? At least, for now? -- WindStar7125  (Talk) (Contribs) 23:16, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Been having a rough day?
You kind of seem jumpy and angry man, what's up?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 23:27, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Don't Worry
I saw your comment in the Shinju/Ten-Tails cluster fuck (let's just call it what it is) thread. Sorry if I'm that much of a pain in the ass, but no, I do not intend to go on arguing things. TSB, Ten-Tails, Shinju, nothing. I'll just make my edits and move on to other things in my day. Its obviously clear that Elve thinks the same thing, as I can see him blasting in me in talk page after talk page, yet somehow its my behavior that is making things worse around here, or that's how you made it seem. He calls other users retarted, stupid, mentally challenged, ignorant, bias, and constantly brings religion into things and yet I'm the problem. Yes, I'm aware you're quite sick of our scuffles, and I am too, so I can't blame you, but, unless I'm blind, a good majority of the wiki blew up my talk page about the way he acts, and even though I refused to act on it for obvious reasons, that proves it can't be just me. /shrugs I can't go on a talk page without him showing up and fighting with me, case and point, the SPS talk page. I hadn't contributed to that discussion and yet, just reading through it now, I see my name brought up twice, accusing me for stalling whatever is going on in that discussion by Elveonora. Every page I touch, I'm accused by him of "abusing my sysop status", even though I have no clue what I'm doing wrong. So what am I supposed to do? Not contribute my opinion? Just ignore attack after attack? Don't protect pages being warred on, as per policy? I'll let you decide. I'm taking a break from the wiki. A day or two just to show that I'm not the one doing all this. I like this wiki. I like the people here, including yourself. Hate that everything always turns into an argument, but my touch is like toxic for some reason. So if there is anything else you need to say to me about my behavior on this wiki, please do so. Be brutal. Because, honestly, I don't know what I'm supposed to do around here anymore if everything I do is causing a problem. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 06:40, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Regarding what you said about me... wasn't it you who said: "make your edits" ? I'm sure it was. Now you want to accuse me of having done said edits with your permission?--Elveonora (talk) 13:03, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Kudos for openly admitting that your finger is itching to ban me for many months now, must be taking a great deal of self-control to resist the urge. You do yoga by chance? You tell people: "make your edits, I don't care, I will allow you to do so if that is all it takes to maintain order and keep things peaceful, so be it" but then you go about to cry on Foxie's shoulder, seeking comfort and having him throw accusation at me about how I do things I don't? Yes, it makes you look like a dick by your own admission to agree with group X's (You, Foxie and friends) interpretation of things, but give group Y a green light to defy group X's decision, only to then accuse group Y of that, makes you look bad to both groups. You, Foxie and friends would like Naruto to have Lightning, Yin and Wood and yet, you sent me to remove them even though you disagree with the removal. You did that only to then have group X something to attack group Y for, not to "maintain peace" as you like to say, good going pal. And be honest, the true reason you want me gone isn't because I'm an "ass" but because I disagree with your idealized vision of things, since as you said: "this isn't German wiki" so I suppose that means we should follow a different set of standards or something. In any universe, at any time, the way we had it (and still have to an extent) is wrong and it's not you to decide it's right because that's the way you like it to be, the author is. /rant done--Elveonora (talk) 14:22, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

This anime spoiler policy
SuperSajuuk was telling me of this "anime spoiler policy" he established a year that nobody never really followed and how I'm violating it. Do you know anything of this and was that rule approven by any mods? --OmegaRasengan (talk) 09:25, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Excuse me, don't lie to sysops to make your argument seem legitimate. For a start, TheUltimate3 established that policy himself, when he made the spoiler policy 4 years ago, it wasn't created by me, nor was it made 1 year ago, stop lying. See page history: Spoiler policy page creation edit
 * I am very quick to notice that the only person who continually violates the spoiler policy is yourself OmegaRasengan. Nobody else does. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 09:28, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why would I lie about something mods can find? Nobody has followed your policy but yourself. And you did not mention anything about Ultimate3 agreeing to anything.--OmegaRasengan (talk) 09:31, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * OmegaRasengan, stop saying MY POLICY, it is NOT my policy and I find it incredibly rude you will continue to incriminate other users and lie about policy. Hell, I was hardly even a god damn member of the wiki when he made that policy!
 * TheUltimate3 made it 4 years ago, accept it because I'm right and your wrong. Stop making up bullcrap to suit your own agenda. If you are going to keep lying, I will just list you to be blocked. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 09:35, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * What I really don't understand is, why is this in my Talk Page and not in the Spoiler Policy talk page where it belongs. Catching my attention is fine, having a full blown argument in my Talk Page is not.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 10:50, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree here, although the policy was made by yourself and I'm just simply making sure the wiki doesn't reveal spoilers (OmegaRasengan has a habit of making episode articles hours before the episode is even released) before the episode is released. There's no point in creating an article for an episode or chapter before it's release, as it will simply be a stub article for a long time. I believe that, one time previously, OmegaRasengan created an article well before it was even released, resulting in the article's deletion, but I cannot confirm this. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 11:01, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

And you'll find I really don't care. Television likes to release at the very least the names of episodes sometimes weeks in advance. I've seen his preliminary articles, where it is just the title, the infobox, and the number and that is it. I see no problem with that when someone will just come along and edit it later anyway.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 11:04, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Re Kakashi's Susanoo

 * You might not give a fuck, that doesn't mean no one else does.
 * I was not stroking my ego.
 * It is factual. --Reliops (talk) 16:39, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * And yet it wasn't an ego thing, more like you guys were being a pain about it, I was right, let's do this already.
 * As if worse sections names haven't been allowed to stand. You could have edited. Or not been such a dick about removing it altogether.
 * It's only not factual if you insist on being obtuse about it. Without Obito helping Kakashi there is neither a Sharingan nor a Susanoo. At the very least it's a collaborative effort. Excuse me if I was a little gratified over being right, though it's not like that never happens around here.--Reliops (talk) 16:48, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * This point is trivial. I know my own motivations, feel free to think what you'd like.
 * I created a new section start anew from a single irrefutable point to avoid rehashed arguments.
 * I only brought this to your talk page because you flat out deleted section in the most rude and aggressive way I've seen you do anything. You didn't seriously think I wouldn't take issue with that and confront you on it?
 * I'm sure you're getting tired of this as I am, so I'll try this again later. I'll try to sound humble if that pleases you.--Reliops (talk) 17:08, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Gaara and Magnet Release
I'm asking permission to re-list Gaara as a Magnet Release user. I think it's safe to say I've refuted Seelentau's analysis in its entirety and sufficiently proven, by logic and evidence, that Gaara is in fact a user.

If you can't give me permission outright, I'd like permission to open a new topic and present my arguments either in Gaara's or the Magnet Release talk page.--Reliops (talk) 21:04, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

That argument is going in circles. I think this is a judgment call for you to make now.--Reliops (talk) 19:58, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Regardless of him using it or not, magnet release is one of his chakra natures since he's used Shukaku's chakra.--Kris.gilson.12 (talk) 20:29, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, if Naruto can use Lava Release because of Yonbi's chakra, Gaara should be a user of Magnet Release because of Shukaku's chakra. However, he should not be a wielder of the Kekkei Genkai Jiton. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:37, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

So Nagato is a prime example here. He has access to the main 5 chakra natures but he's never used fire, lightning or earth in the manga. So if Gaara were to be listed as having magnet release nature then Rin should be listed as having water style nature. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 20:46, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Actually not Rin since we never saw her use Isobu's chakra. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 20:52, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Nagato was stated to actually have those natures, Rin was not. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:53, September 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * I will never understand why people decide to make it a habit to jump into conversations on my Talk Page and not in the relevant article Talk Pages. Reliops made a request, then Kris then jumps in, then Seelentau, and all of a sudden I've gone cross-eyed.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 21:39, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Not the glowing endorsement I was going for, but thank you all the same.--Reliops (talk) 21:49, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

I'd like you to
ban me please. This wiki does not deserve me and I'd like to make sure that I won't be able to contribute any further. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:48, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Aww, hugs. Tho 3, 2, 1 in before Ulti starts banning people for spamming his talkpage :P--Elveonora (talk) 15:54, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Kishimoto
(Had to disguise this message so we wouldn't get jumped lol) Now that Kishimoto has confirmed the elements for the Truthseeker Orbs (wood in place of water, its all of the basic elements plus yin-yang), can we finally put a rest to this? Naruto had all of those elements due to the tailed beasts and we know Madara and Obito did too for the same reasons (and Kaguya was the progenitor of chakra, so she naturally had them). We should now have enough evidence to put them together. There are no controversial kekkei genkai involved, just all the base natures. I was hesitant to bring this up on the talk page for obvious reasons. Just wanted your thoughts. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 19:05, September 8, 2014 (UTC)