Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180727165341/@comment-34194151-20180815035523

@Legion

My bad, I meant chap 489. Obito attempted to blitz base kabuto and surprisingly failed. First he jumps on top of the skeletal structure thing, kabuto jumps back. Then kabuto moves to the right and moves towards ground, and obito follows. They were both jumping, and as we said before that hopping speed can be correlated to jumping speed because all running is using the force of legs (amped by chakra) to propel your body weight. Kabuto had the time to cast the hand seal for edo tensei too. We have seen that when there is a huge speed difference, you can stop your opponent from casting hand seals, such as mifune vs Hanzo. KCM naruto speeds should easily be able to achieve such a feat against the likes of base kabuto. But obito couldn't get the job done. I'm not saying he couldn't beat kabuto, but he didn't have a speed advantage over him

Usually in situations like this, if there is a huge speed difference the author would make it clear through the character. But kabuto didn't have any trouble speedwise. IF obito was kcm level speed, he would have rofl blitzed kabuto and forced him to use oral rebirth to escape the warping. Kabuto would use this feint to slither away as fast he could and cast edo tensei, and be like TOBI chill i just want an alliance, and make some comment about the speed. And the rest of the scene would have played out the same way.

Therefore, I actually now believe that obito only became kcm shunshin speeds after rinnegan, and he was about two tiers below it before. kcm naruto=rinnegan tobi> v2 raikage>ms tobi=base minato. so actually, the version of Tobi matters when it comes to speed feats. This makes alot more sense imo.

@Jason I think the chapter 595 feat of obito's legs moving faster than naruto's proves he is kcm level. He is noticably faster. But not a huge advantage. But I don't think one MS, one generic ms tobi has those speeds. So I don't think he can rofl blitz the pains but he still faster than them comfortably.