Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-45444155-20200621203703/@comment-45444155-20200709223624

LegionZero wrote: ReweR 1331 wrote:

1) wiki says that sage transformation is a bloodline limit. But neither the manga nor the data book says that the Jugo technique is a bloodline limit. This correct. That is why i said to double check the manga/databooks. Juugo's clan's Kekkei Genkai is to passively absorb nature energy.

Sage Transformation is an ability theu can use because of that KKG, not the KKG itself

ReweR 1331 wrote:

2) wiki says that sage transformation is an option for achieving sage mode. That is, in essence, the user gets the sage modo.  The only difference from entering Naruto in sage mode is that the user sage transformation does not absorb any natural energy, it absorbs itself into the user's body. Anyone who uses Senjutsu is a Sage, regardless if they enter Sage Mode.

ReweR 1331 wrote:

note: here I agree. And yes, the difference I understand is the difference in the method of collecting natural energy. Naruto, Minato and Hashirama are absorbed by themselves, while Jugo and Kabuto simply activate sage transformation. Its not about how it is gathered necessarily. Sage Transformation literally transforms the body.

ReweR 1331 wrote:

Okay, that makes sense. What's the difference with 6 paths senjutsu? 6 Paths Senjutsu is a special kind of Senjutsu that involves 6 Paths Chakra

ReweR 1331 wrote:

3) wiki says that Ashura had 6 paths senjutsu. That is because i think the anime says he got it, but that was filler, and therefore non-canon. None of his abilities were explained in the manga

ReweR 1331 wrote:

4) wiki says that Naruto can only use 6 paths senjutsu because he has SPSM. Yes, because Six Paths Sage Mode is a form of 6 Paths Senjutsu.

ReweR 1331 wrote:

In short, the wiki mostly says things that are opposite to you. Shall I keep reading the wiki, or will you start saying your version normally? I think you should look to the manga/databooks for answers, not me or the wiki. I present the information the best i can. I dont believe the wiki is always accurate, since even the statement about Sage Transformation being a way to enter Sage Mode is not explained anywhere in the series. Debating the mods here is almost pointless, more often then not they are to stubborn to consider the fallacies/inconsistancies in their POV and/or methodology

Okay, can you explain it the way you see it? Since I have no wiki, no manga, no data book to answer these questions.

1) how is 6 paths senjutsu different from SPSM? Both are essentially chakra 6 paths + natural energy

2) what role do Tailed Beast for 6 paths senjutsu / SPSM play? Madara talks about 6 paths senjutsu Naruto and we (readers) are clearly shown the back of Naruto, where there are 9 magatamas and the sign Rinne.  In a conversation with Hagoromo, this sign also appears when he mentions that he shared the chakra of Ten-tails.  In the last sign only appears after the Ten-tails are sealed.  We're clearly told that the Tailed Beast/Ten-tails chakra is linked to 6 paths senjutsu.

3) wiki says the SPSM user can use 6 paths senjutsu. From SPSM, 6 paths senjutsu appears.  You wrote me that it is possible to have 6 paths senjutsu without SPSM

upd: @Squinty97

LegionZero and I (with his help) concluded that it's the same technique.