Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34938099-20180728104553/@comment-34194151-20180731062434

@Legion Zero

"How did she outmanuver/outsmart him when Obito chose to put himself in a position to be hurt? Konan would have made no progress if he chose to just stay intangible and back away. He said "clearly she has some sort of plan, I'll accept her challange" "

As I said in previous post... if you somehow accept Obito "choosing" to put himself into a position to be hurt and possibly killed (like, you seriously think obito intentionally would let his arm get blown off, his mask cracked, and possibly worse when his goal is to get the rinnegan?) how is underestimation and taking unnecessary risks proof that he wasn't outmanuevered? that isn't proof of his intelligence in that moment. You just said it yourself, he could have been more patient, stayed intangible, and collected more info on the situation, instead he clearly thought he saw an opening and grabbed Konan and started warping (all while declaring his victory no less...). Obito's ability to warp himself is way faster than his ability to warp other objects (Chapter 502, pg 10), so he chose the slower warping ability to save himself, not so bright is it ?(in other words he could have minimzed the damage even further yet failed to, as he warped the papers instead of himself).

Secondly you're intepretation is that Obito wanted to hurt himself,, but that is not what happened in my imo. He thought Konan's plan was a simple blitz while hiding behind papers, and nothing more. He was clearly not expecting bombs. He only survived because his warping happened to be slighlty faster, or the damage would have been critical. There would be no point in saying "I took you too lightly" if he planned to be hit. Consider all the context clues, not just one. Konan's plan failed, but she was able to injure him, which is why I brought the fight up. She didn't have minato level speed but she used a feint to tag obito.

Surprising someone can be equated to outsmarting them depending on the context. You only need to outsmart someone for a moment to win. Example: Shikamaru vs Temari. Temari was "surprised" aka outsmarted by shikmaru's idea to use the shadows under ground.

I already said Konan's plan(s) failed, did I not say Obito was the superior shinobi and was smarter overall ( Konan was only able to outsmart him when he was downplaying her, but that's besides the point)??? I said she only outmanuevered him on the first attack, and while it injured him it failed. After that Obito took her more seriously and showed better planning even though his opponent prepped for him. but its his fault for not taking her seriously from that get go... he still could have died.

There is no proof that she spent 15 years planning the trap, please provide a chapter if I am wrong. She spent 15 years passively observing him as an ally, not planning his death... She used the INFO she gathered over the 15 years to plan a trap after naruto convinced her to betray him. The plan failed because she overextended and used a technique that would leave her with no chakra if it failed., which was her fault. But that doesn't mean she isn't intelligent, it just means she had room for improvement.

That's like saying Kakashi isn't smart because his plan to kill Deva Pain was intercepted by the Ashura Path. so while he wasn't intelligent enough to finish off both Pains without dying, his intelligence still showed. its not like Konan could have known about Izanagi...