Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-27418151-20160521030355/@comment-734582-20160521183011

You talk of FTG as being a technique that, when initiated, needs a time period for the user to transport to their target, which is absolutely not true. It's not the travel time. it's the initiation time. He can't do it instantly, not even Minato, god of Hiraishin, could do it instantly. In the time the Fourth Raikage charged at Minato, Minato teleported. But Sasuke has already shown to be faster than that (against said Raikage). After he teleports, Tobirama is vulnerable. Hiraishin is a double edged sword.

Furthermore, Kunai -the delivery method- are not instant, and Sasuke has already shown great proficiency with these weapons including deflecting them mid-flight. He can block them with a simple Ribcage Susanoo (Putting any Hirashin directly in front of him AKA the biggest zone of danger), deflect with Kunai of his own (Putting Hiraishin at a place of his choosing) or he can dodge the Kunai attack and raise Ribcage against any slash.

Yes, but the speed is not like it's cut in half. No explanation is given how fast exactly he is himself compared to a clone, but it was a big enough difference to matter.

Yeah, but you are missing the scale Itachi casted the jutsu on. no i'm not. As i said, it's a longer term risk. Sasuke doesn't have to spam Amaterasu to do that.

Yup, it's just that FTG is faster and quicker than Kirin. Nothing suggests that this is true. Maybe the transmission itself (it's instant or so fast as to be considered instant), but there's a clear activation time on FTG, not to mention it needs a setup to begin with. Even Itachi -who showed considerable speed- didn't choose to dodge it.

Even a Ribcage Susanoo is an absolute defence beyond Gaara's, strong enough to block Kage-level attacks. It'll block sword attacks. It probably won't block something like Water Dragon Bullet, but in that case Susanoo is a poor choice of defense, as it's better evaded alltogether.

The problem is that the more knowledge these two have of each other, the more difficult this fight becomes. It would be strange to limit e.g. Sasuke's knowledge without Tobirama's making sense anymore (he has years of experience including fighting Uchiha, Sasuke fought extremely powerful foes including Juubi Jinchuriki Obito and lived.).

Sasuke has often used a defensive position to use his Sharingan powers to the maximum. I suspect Tobirama exploited this with Hiraishin, since as long as the enemy doesn't know it's a teleport it's an attack that cannot be predicted (hence my earlier statement about suspecting things about marked Kunai). Critical here is that it would be an instant kill move; once Hiraishin succeeds you're dead. But once an enemy is aware of this (aforementioned Obito), they can always see the attack coming (it's one of the most telegraphed abilities there is). Minato tried to solve this with multiple Kunai, which Obito blocked by attacking on the man (once more proving that activation of Hiraishin isn't instant). Obito showed the critical weakness of Hirashin is the knowledge of it's existence. Even the Fourth Raikage figured it out after Minato used it once, and formulated a counter strategy. Minato's trick with Killer Bee is something he heavily foreshadowed, though the Raikage didn't understand what he was hinting at, yet could have blocked it. Bee clearly understood as he had Minato at a kunai standoff.

Something like Amaterasu/Kagutsuchi is a definitive win once hit. The Raikage had to amputate his arm just to live, Bee was saved by Kagutsuchi. Tobirama going for a hit and Sasuke using Kagutsuchi to defend (for instance, with his Susanoo ribcage) would mean a defeat for Tobirama. Any handicap would significantly hamper his abilities.

I think Minato would win this -his Hiraishin benefits from the much greater firepower of Rasengan- but i'm not convinced by Tobirama's ability to win by FTG, not without taking huge risks.

The more they know of each other, the more these capable ninja will counteract and the more it comes down to a single lucky strike, either way. Tobirama may have a shot with pure attrition, but even that is questionable, since the EMS will ensure significant defensive options against such techniques at little cost.