Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-35155071-20180330190048/@comment-6769189-20180408114638

@lone:

1) Every chapter where Naruto was running around and didnt leave his cloak behind and every chapter where he used his arms to prep a jitsu and every chapter where he used them for offensive or defensive purposes against opponants of similar speedto himself. If they werent as fast as he was then he wouldnt rely on them in vital situations like 554 where he uses it on 3rd Rai and even acknowledges that he knows how fast the Raikage are. If his arms were slower than him then he would even bother with them, instead relying on shadow clones to use their speed to do what he needs. He also used it on Muu, a sensor who Naruto couldnt sneak attack from behind. The also match Naruto's arm movements and speed.

2) i dont even know what point you are trying to make anymore. There is a lot of context behind that statement that you ignore and the only Uchiha known to anyone in the shenobi world to control Kurama was Madara. If you check the chapter cited, such a blanket statement was never made about the Uchiha clan itself being infamous for any such ability. Manga>wiki. Ill say it again. Read the manga. Stillbwaiting for a legit explanatiin why Obito/Madara never shut down Kurama or Gyuki the entire 4th World War.

3) If Naruto stopped his chakra then started it again the jutsu would have been broken. Like you pointed out earlier, he wouldnt have a problem surging it. Naruto has been pishing out mass amounts if chakra since he was a kid, and is part of the reason the clone jutsu would fail so miserably. So if step 1 requires delicate control and step 2 is the easy part, then the only reason Naruto failed to Release the genjutsu is because he couldnt past step 1. Release requires an upper jonin level of chakra control that Naruto lacked in that part of the series. Itachi stated that he had grown but then immediately said that he is still weak, seeing him struggle so much and then upped his genjutsu game to a point where Naruto couldnt concentrate enough to even attempt to stop and restart his flow. The manga doesnt need to outright state these things because the manga has already shown and told us Naruto's capabilities. Its just a matter of putting 2 and 2 together.

4) Regardless of if a character has to raise their hand Preta Path will still activate instantly. As soon as the hand is up it activates. It doesnt require a charge time and Obito only needs to gesture, he is so fast it may as well be instant. Contact-Peta also doesnt need a hand up either so he is set.

4) i guess all the admins, translators, sysops, and moderators should get off this wiki too because they have that same critisism of the wiki. In fact, I learned not to trust the wiki as always correct or the difinitive source of information because i was told by those same people that the wiki isnt always correct. And i have seen them tell other people on multiple occasions. So quit dick-riding the wiki because wiki officials dont even have as much faith as you do in the wiki. Its really little more than a reference guide and when double checking the cited, it is not uncommon for the wiki to contain speculation or wording that doesnt reflect what is shown or outright stated in the manga.

5) again i fail to see your point, i already said he used both at the same time. I said that forever and a half ago.

@Nashikeine: in Itachi's defense, Sasuke had a specific ability to control Amaterasu. Up until he unlocked Kagetsuchi all he could do was light stuff on fire but had no control after, just like Itachi