Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-34194151-20180917022958

1) Already debunked this. Itachi didn't jump last time because he didn't need to, common sense. If the technique is greater in scale, a different adaption will be used. All I see here is fallacy and making itachi out to be some inexperienced character. Sure, nerf his intelligence and he loses the way you described. Give him is IC intelligence, he jumps in the air, protects himself with susano'o, chops off some bones and lands on them safely. Kimimaro isn't surprising him without a diversion. All I see is more ABC logic here, like Itachi being slower than pre-time skip gaara, despite having a MS and better reflex feats and generally being portrayed to be a of a much higher speed tier. Prime Kimimaro is featless with the jutsu because we haven't seen him at full health, so this is pure speculation. and you ignored the fact that the gaara was caught off guard because he presumed his target to be already dead, not to mention he couldn't have seen kimimaro crawling into the bones when the dude is 200 meters below ground. Sure, it can catch itachi off guard in the right circumstance, but I could just as easily use the fallacy that Itachi one shots him with totsuka blade before he activates the technique. So, please give a credible strategy for how Team oro is gonna land this technique, not to mention, you still haven't addressed the friendly fire argument. The bones still portrude out of the ground and itachi had no troubles with muki tensei outside of being distracted.

2) I don't need to convince you of anything, because your claim is false. You have no proof that itachi didn't know about kamui, nor do you have any proof that kamui was used to stop the amaterasu, as he was clearly already tagged by the attack, and then faded into the darkness. Obito would not commend itachi if he didn't feel that the attack was well excecuted. You can even see obito wallowing in pain from the amaterasu, so yes itachi injured him. He could have just as easily used izanagi there retroactively. All I know is this. Itachi's goal: stop obito from manipulating sasuke. Itachi knew that obito would approach sasuke after itachi's death. Itachi knew that obito would reveal his sharingan to sasuke. Itachi knew that obito might survive and still tell sasuke the truth, and so he placed a contingency inside of naruto. Period. The plan would have worked if not for third party intervention, Obito didn't see through it. and obito didn't "overpower" her. He outwitted her with izanagi. Konan didn't see it coming, so she was outsmarted despite her years of observation and prep. Your logic that he overpowered her can be thrown back, because I can simply say she overwhelmed him with tons of bombs. so that excuse doesn't work. Itachi actually foresaw obito surviving his attack, while konan didn't, enough said. And there is also no proof that itachi had access to the same information that konan did. Even if he didn't know as much about kamui, his contingency plan covered that scenario. Also, that itachi would have killed obito if he could have is another fallacy, he never tried once to kill any of the akatsuki members, that much is obvious. Obito can easily stall him out with kamui, or almost anyone for that matter.If he tried to engage obito nothing said it would be a 1v1 battle. Itachi did his job, protected konoha for 16 years before the akatsuki started making their moves, and only after most of the bijuu were captured and only when he was nearing his death, was Pain allowed to destroy konoha. At that point, itachi's love for sasuke and desire to die took over, but he made sure that naruto had gained significant development. Even so, he replicated the same thing konan did, injuring but failing to kill obito, when it wasn't even his primary objective.

No one is downplaying konan, her plan, while good and effective, had flaws in it. Using a suicide attack instead of using a clone instead, and if her suicide attack failed she wouldn't have even gotten the chance to use her 600 billion paper bombs, making her prep worthless. >wasting all her chakra on one big attack instead of leaving some behind as a contingency. Period. Her best tactic outside of her 600 billion bombs was one diversion, paper bombs hidden within other papers. That's nice. Jobbing itachi showed more complexity. He used a water style jutsu and concealed it by using shuriken to draw his opponent's attention, and that's not much different than konan concealing paper bombs within her regular papers. And then guess what actually, even THAT was a diversion for his great clone explosion. and according to kakashi, itachi was capable of much more. Itachi easily could have replicated what konan did against tobi, he clearly has more going on when it comes to tactics and diversions. He used diversions within diversions, while jobbing, while the best konan could do is kamikaze herself after using one diversion. Enough said.

3) already debunked. I cited a character reacting to kn6 naruto-Nagato. That same nagato couldn't react to the totsuka blade from a decent distance. The smoke was clearing and there was already a good distance between himself and the smoke, and he still couldn't react with Preta Path or shinra tensei, period. He saw it coming and couldn't react. So yes, totsuka blade is faster than kn6 naruto.

4) You say that I come across as biased and yet you cite PIS stupidity feats/statements. Amaterasu upon it's introduction instantly burned through a fire resistant toad stomach from mount myoboku. Period. Any feat that contradicts that is an outlier. I go by established feats, not low end-outliers. I'm supposed to believe amaterasu could burn through that, but can't burn through mere clothes in under a second? The 8 tails and cerberus retained the proper feats for amaterasu. everything else is plot, except where it was specifically shown that amaterasu couldn't burn through the target, such as gaara's sand or chakra cloaks. If konan anticipates it, i see her subsituting with papers sure, but not if she doesn't react. Nothing says she is perfectly immortal in that form, as she nearly died to her own paper bombs. The flames could easily kill her in the right circumstances by burning through the papers before she gets a chance to de-materialize her self completely.

5) Nowwhere was it stated that kakashi wasn't on par with orochimaru due to a difference in tactics. The gap between  them simply could have been due to stat differences, plus orochimaru's durability. we saw how easily orochimaru countered a chidori attack from sasuke on his death bed, so logically he could easily counter raikiri from part one kakashi with snake hax/oral rebirth and then one shot kakashi. So you're abc logic doesn't work. Shikamaru is smarter than a lot of characters yet would still lose to them. and I like how you use part one kakashi as a moniker, as if the character underwent significant changes. He gained more experience and gained stat boosts and improvements in ninjutsu, but nothing showed incredible changes. His fighting style and tactics in part two largely resembled what he was already capable of in part one. And undermining kakashi doesn't change the quality of tactics itachi was shown using, period.