Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-35155071-20180330190048/@comment-6769189-20180414041719

Split second is not because of Kamui because Obito catch him in the chains until he solidified. EVEN if he didnt, Minato coul see the chains around him but couldnt move fast enough to get out of them and had to FTG away. The manga shows us that Minato won because he used FTG which takes 0 time to execute. Sure it was a battle of speed but speed is not what won the battle for Minato. Obito set up his chain grab on Minato after he passed through him. Minato failed to gain any advantage with raw speed alone. He won through a combination of teleportation and speed because speed alone wasnt enough. Speed alone gave him no offensive or defensive advantage. But this is going nowhere so lets agree to disagree.

VOTE1 refers to the first fight between Naruto and Sasuke at the Valley of the End. Its a pretty common term in the Naruto fandom. Chapter 231 shows that Sharingan cant predict the movement of chakra arms and Sasuke specifically notes that he cant anticipate its movements with the Sharingan.

Yagura and Isobu used the coral. My mistake. In the next chapter Naruto has dificulty moving until guy breaks it. The coral was restricting his movement. The technique is called Coral Palm.

As for Obito and Torune, i already told you where to find the proof only because i cant present it. You willingly remaining ignorant doesnt make your point any more valid.

In his Kakashi with Obito, Obito lead him to believe they were on equal terms. Every fight they had before this Obito stomped him. Shown multiple times.

No he was not blind. He put up your hand to block the light but the Rasenshuriken is so wide his hand wouldnt completely obstruct it from his field of vision. Naruto said he was fast but didnt reference 4thRai's max speed. The 2nd time 3rdRai dodged, he was dodging the tossed Rasenshuriken that he was tipped off to beforehand because Naruto wanted to yell about how he knew he would dodge the initial attack. Common sense would tell him as well that the arm like appendage can probably move. 3rdRai was also too slow to catch on to Dodai's trick and Dodai is a borderline nobody. The Rasenshuriken was also never in point blank range until Naruto himself was at point blank. Shown and stated.

The manga shows us Obito is as fast Naruto. Chapter 595 Obito chases Naruto and their motion lines were equadistant the entire time. Chapter 628 the distance between Obito and his portal and the distance Naruto dodges are the same. There is no denying or excusing these.

Kakashi and Gai showing up suddenly doesnt make them as fast as Naruto and Gai we dont know where they were at any given point in time. The furthest zoomed out shot was so far that anything smaller than than a Bijuu was a speck and the other "zoomed out shot" showed an area no bigger than Gyukis hand.