Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-30323490-20170305205254

So, as the title said who would be the strongest shinobis without receiving power from otside sources? Let's not take in consideration characters like Hagoromo, Hamura, or anybody from that era, neither Otsutsukis since the concept of shinobi did't even exist back then. I think it's pretty clear that the top 2 strongest shinobi from this specific list would be Guy and Hashirama.Both got incredibly strong without receving any outside power-ups and got strong on their own. Next in line would probably be Madara, although my issue with him is that he did get Izuna's eyes when he started to lose sight and that counts as external power-up.He was however crazy strong as we seen without the EMS and definitely would earn his spot in this list.However, the gap between MS Madara and what Hashirama became later is huge. Continuing on,in no specific order we have Tobirama, Minato and the Sannin. It's debatable if we should put Naruto and Sasuke on this list. Their strongest non-outside-power-up versions would be SM and MS (although they did use outside power to get to this form especially Sasuke). Sakura might be a good shout (regardless of what people might think) since she was able to obtain the Strength of a Hundred Seal, and impressive feat especially thinking that she did that at a very young age.

Obviously, there are others Shinobi that would make the list.I just enumerated a few. What do you think? Also feel free to disagree with what a came up with until now.

EDIT: Let's not add characters that we haven't seen fighing. 