Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36019309-20190114073523/@comment-34656247-20190129093832

JamesSenpai wrote: The casting of the Genjutsu itself. You look into his eyes, Itachi has you instantly. That's how I see it. Based off the evidence Jason provided, it is cemented since instantly has to transpire at 0 seconds. That doesn't make sense man, even if he has you in the genjutsu instantly the partner method would've still worked...but no kakashi denied that when he said it doesn't matter if you can break genjutsu or not. SO YEAh he was referring to the speed at which the jutsu is being executed at which is instant,they can't be of no help against an instantaneous mental attack...no matter how good the caster is at genjutsu the partner method would just overcome it as seen when Madara placed Ay under genjutsu, Ohnoki later frees him after 4 seconds or so, but unless the jutsu is instantaneous like tsukuyomi the partner method or normal method simply becomes useless so in this case just before Ohnoki even tries to rush to free the raikage he would've already been done for which is exactly what Kakashi was referring to so he instead instructed them to avoid eye contact...

Maybe because someone mind bombed him to the point he had to be warned by the guy mind bombing him? If I got caught in a Genjutsu by a guy who was helping me beat him, and had to be warned i was in Genjutsu by that guy, i would very much improve in that regard. Only an idiot would be like "I'm okay as is". Bee and Gyuki didn't even realize they were in Genjutsu until Itachi turned into crows. That's cause my dude Itachi wild. But regardless I'm not saying whether bee can or can't for the same reason I wouldn't say Hashirama could or couldn't. Cause the info isn't there. You can all you want. But that's just based on your opinion and not the series. That is, unless you prove Ninja wrong. Oh fudgkenwngwoeigbwgpb4gijgg;leg-94hnw.....did BEEEEEEE learn any new genjutsu countermeasure that you know of presently? noooooooooooo....the answer is N-O..it's that simple, you don't know of it, there is no proof of it, then the obvious conclusion is that it doesn't exist. You're just posing theories and theories aren't always right. Bee is already a fully developed character just like Naruto and Sasuke is. Tsukuyomi>>> Bee.

ME
 * BEE can't break it because of the db statements and itachi's statements.
 * He can't break it because of the fact that he struggled against genjutsu's of lower calibre

You
 * I don't know maybe he can break it because in the future he learned how to,,,,but i have no proof of this because it never happened.

That just means he can make it as best as it can be. Doesn't mean it can't be broken lol. As you did before on certain words, like the word moment i want you to also use the literal rule to deduce what exactly he meant by stating maximum efficiency. Efficiency is derived from efficient and has the following meaning >>capable of producing the desired effect.

If everyone can read what you say and read what I say, then what the heck did i leave out? Did Kakashi say something not stated in this thread? Nope. So I left nothing out. Did you not say Kakashi said moment before i posted Asuma's TRUE statement? Yes. Can everyone read it just like my post? Yes. So nothing is left out. However, you said that Asuma said " was as soon as itachi stopped talking Kakashi dropped to the ground" that means you were saying as soon as Itachi stopped talking, kakashi was falling too his knees, implying the illusion was performed instantly. I merely corrected that. By the way, Kakashi saying moment doesn't conflict with a second, lol. So nice try. You were the one conveniently leaving out Asuma's real statement, but trying to frame me for that for just proving you wrong?

Lol, are you okay dude? Do you not know why we're even on this subject? We were debating over that statement, of him having you instantly. You used Kakashi's moment statement as evidence too that. So no it's not dead. We're still and have been discussing your evidence. Catch up bro. We were literally discussing if instantly referred to the Illusion or the cast. You brought up Asuma's false statement as proof. I said not proof. You then brought up Kakashi's moment statement as proof, and we been discussing it ever since. Take a break bro, lol. Seems you need to collect yourself. The debates not going anywhere. I just stated i wasn't talking about shippuden's scene. Did you even know what you just typed dude. The shippuden scene has kakashi specifically saying instant, the 'Naruto' scene has Kakashi saying Moment. I'm debating on the Naruto/Moment scene not shippuden which is exactly what you said in whatever you typed here, mentioning ASUMA and Kakashi saying moment is just you proving me right when i said i said i was talking about the naruto scene.. Prove me wrong with visual evidence. Also i see no proof of instant meaning 0.00 seconds..(btw the 'instant' im talking about is the one that was translated from 'moment')