Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-734582-20150720112958/@comment-25093611-20150722200206

Thekillman wrote: It's not a plothole. First of all, these two are the first known in the story to have Kamui. Kakashi died once, yet his Kamui is aimed and can't be used on himself. This is the first time Obito actually died and had any chance to perform this little Jutsu.

The only thing obito says about it is "our chakras have the power to connect both worlds". Notice that Edo Tensei is a summoning (read: Space time) technique that can cross into the Impure World. Kamui is a Space Time technique too, and we learn from Obito that he can synchronize his Kamui with a different dimension and then can access it at will. In this case, this was the first chance he had, ever, to synchronize his power with this "limbo" or whatever this crossover world is. He had already synchronized his Kamui with Kaguya's dimension. Ergo, it's within the specifications of Kamui to warp back to the Real World. than lets say it works, lets say it is possible to come over to the living world despite the fact that obito was down chakra wise... it still doesnt make space-time-jutsu into a "posses someone"-jutsu... Thekillman wrote: Secondly, on second thought, it seems that what Obito did is not a feat of Edo Tensei, but in fact what happens if a soul inhabits a body in general. Edo Tensei is just a specific case of a Soul being forced to possess a body. Doesn't change a thing about what i previously argued, just a different way of looking at it. the problem is that you say that it is ok to combine two remotetly close jutsus into one and finish with this...

from tvtroupes one of the forms of plothole: An event occurring that other events in the work simply do not allow.

kamui was never said or shown or hinted or mentioned to have edo-tensei powers... foreshadowing or not, looking at the whole situation where this case played it simply makes it into a plothole OR ok, i will give you that, it becomes a horrible retcon... Thekillman wrote: So it's not a plothole. There was never an opportunity before for Obito or Kakashi to use this specific ability. so you say that it is completly logical that a only space-time jutsu was suddenly used as soul-possedding one and it isnt a plothole?

another version of plohole: Characters suddenly having knowledge that was never passed to them... Thekillman wrote: This is not even an argument. Edo Tensei wasn't mentioned to work "like that" until it did either. E.g. souls being able to free themselves. Sometimes Kishimoto foreshadows things, sometimes he doesn't. Doesn't make it a plothole.

if it gos against what he showed so far, it does, like: needing chakra for jutsus, but he has no chakra since he doesnt have a body, and saying that he has enough for a interdimensional transfer between the real world and afterlife is a plothole,

kaguyas dimenseion already took everything he had and even more and the walk between dimensions is suddenly ok? Thekillman wrote: Obito casually used his Kamui powers without seeming to take much chakra. Only when trying to follow Kaguya did it take ridiculous amounts. At this point, he clearly had enough chakra left to perform the jutsu. Also, he was dead, and we know from Edo Tensei that souls have unlimited chakra, so i don't even see how this is an argument too. and going to the living world from the afterlife isnt taking more?

btw, what does edo tensei have to do with this? souls dont have chakra, they have spiritual energy, and thanks to their immortal bodys they have unlimited chakra but obito doesnt have such a body... Thekillman wrote: Yet it's a plothole when it's combined, even though it's already clear that the dead just reside in a different dimension which can be accessed from the living world, and that Kamui can connect to any dimension as long as it has a chance to sync to it? it is a plothole because: the afterlife is far more difficult to reach than simply kaguyas dimensions who arent at the same plane of existence... than, he doesnt have chakra which i mentioned, he shouldnt have enough chakra to begin with... than, giving kakashi temporary sharingan/MS, than, still having enough chakra for a freaking PS...

yeah, perfectly logical...