Forum:Notability

Whether or not a topic is notable enough to have its own article has been a problem for this wiki for several years. There have been numerous discussions about it, sometimes to determine the notability of one topic, other times to determine the notability of several unrelated but similar topics. These discussions rarely go anywhere because the wiki has no firm definition of what is and isn't notable. Without this sort of guideline people end up basing their decisions on existing articles and inconsistency reigns.

It is time the wiki set some notability criteria.

Statements
Read the following statements. Consider each statement and evaluate it on its own. Then, for each statement, indicate whether you agree or disagree by signing ( ~ ) under the corresponding heading. Try not to be neutral. Try not to abstain. If you change your mind, strike (do not remove) previous !votes. Please hold comments until the end.

Exists
"A topic is notable by virtue of its existence."


 * Agree
 * 1) 71.71.58.231 (talk) 02:01, January 9, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * 2)  ~ Ultimate  Supreme  02:57, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) Norleon (talk) 10:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) -- The Goblin  13:00, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5) --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:36, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Disagree

Name
"A topic is notable if it has been properly named."


 * Agree
 * 1) Norleon (talk) 10:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Disagree
 * 1) 71.71.58.231 (talk) 02:01, January 9, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * 2)  ~ Ultimate  Supreme  02:57, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) -- The Goblin  13:00, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:36, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Title
"A topic is notable if, although it has not been properly named, it has a unique in-universe title or description."


 * Agree
 * 1) 71.71.58.231 (talk) 02:02, January 9, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * 2)  ~ Ultimate  Supreme  02:57, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) Norleon (talk) 10:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) -- The Goblin  13:00, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5) --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:36, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Disagree

Relation
"A topic is notable if, although it has not been properly named, it can easily be described in terms of a named topic. Ex: "X's mother" or "Y's ability"."


 * Agree
 * 1) Norleon (talk) 10:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Disagree
 * 1) 71.71.58.231 (talk) 02:03, January 9, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * 2)  ~ Ultimate  Supreme  02:57, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) -- The Goblin  13:00, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Description
"A topic is notable if all that is known about it cannot reasonably be conveyed in an article that is likely to link to it."


 * Agree
 * 1) 71.71.58.231 (talk) 02:04, January 9, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * 2) Norleon (talk) 10:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) -- The Goblin  13:00, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:36, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Disagree
 * 1)  ~ Ultimate  Supreme  02:57, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Appear 2
"A topic is automatically notable if it has appeared on at least 2 separate occasions."


 * Agree


 * Disagree
 * 1) 71.71.58.231 (talk) 02:04, January 9, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * 2)  ~ Ultimate  Supreme  02:57, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) Norleon (talk) 10:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) -- The Goblin  13:00, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Appear 3
"A topic is automatically notable if it has appeared on at least 3 separate occasions."


 * Agree
 * 1) 71.71.58.231 (talk) 02:05, January 9, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * 2) Norleon (talk) 10:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) -- The Goblin  13:00, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Disagree
 * 1)  ~ Ultimate  Supreme  02:57, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Databook
"A topic is NOT  notable if it appeared in the manga and the databook for that portion of the series did not give it special mention."


 * Agree
 * 1) 71.71.58.231 (talk) 02:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * Disagree
 * 1)  ~ Ultimate  Supreme  02:57, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) Norleon (talk) 10:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) -- The Goblin  13:00, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:36, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Dialogue 1
"A character is automatically notable if they have had at least 1 line of dialogue."


 * Agree


 * Disagree
 * 1) 71.71.58.231 (talk) 02:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * 2)  ~ Ultimate  Supreme  02:57, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) Norleon (talk) 10:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) -- The Goblin  13:00, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Dialogue 3
"A character is automatically notable if they have had at least 3 lines of dialogue."


 * Agree


 * Disagree
 * 1) 71.71.58.231 (talk) 02:08, January 9, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * 2)  ~ Ultimate  Supreme  02:57, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) Norleon (talk) 10:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) -- The Goblin  13:00, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Dialogue 5
"A character is automatically notable if they have had at least 5 lines of dialogue."


 * Agree
 * 1) 71.71.58.231 (talk) 02:09, January 9, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * 2)  ~ Ultimate  Supreme  02:57, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) -- The Goblin  13:00, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Disagree
 * 1) Norleon (talk) 10:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Unique
"An ability, item, or group is notable if its uniqueness cannot reasonably be argued."


 * Agree
 * 1) 71.71.58.231 (talk) 02:10, January 9, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * 2)  ~ Ultimate  Supreme  02:57, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) Norleon (talk) 10:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) -- The Goblin  13:00, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5) --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:36, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Disagree

Discussion
All contributors to the wiki are welcomed to weigh in with their opinions. On January 23 the discussion will be closed and a standard will be drawn from the views expressed. Once this standard is agreed upon, all existing and future articles will be expected to live up to that standard.

The results of this forum are most likely to affect the articles listed below. You may wish to examine the list to decide where exactly you draw the line with notability.

If you have anything to discuss, please do so below. Please also suggest new statements that would be useful in formulating a guideline or ways in which existing statements can be clarified/improved. ~SnapperTo 01:12, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

One thing i say off the bat is that we should have pages for each group, clan, village, etc, to put down unnamed characters or things that play a semi-important role in the story. Like a disambiguation page of sorts for minor characters. Cause to tell the truth i'm tired of having Jutsu articles that have no user listed for it, and i'm like "who used it?". We could simply have a redirect for that character on that page.71.71.58.231 (talk) 02:15, January 9, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan


 * Ok I'm confused. What is all this?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:26, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Somewhat related topics:
 * Talk:Orochimaru's Previous Body
 * Talk:Body-Splitting Technique ~ Ultimate  Supreme  12:30, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Alrighty then. First off, I'd just like everyone to check the further results on the table, just so that you all can grasp the magnitude of what the decisions here will make on the wikia. That being said, there are things here that I neither agree not disagree with so I'll put those responses here: Basically that's it for me, it all comes down to priorities. Doing away with most of those articles there would, in my opinion, cause the wikia to "suffer" a great deal of information loss. Still, this move is a good one.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 17:36, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Relation- Neutral. I believe issues like this should have priorities attached to them.
 * Description- Would like an example for this though.
 * Appear 2- Doesn't have to have own article, mentioning the information elsewhere, however, should always be done.
 * Appear 3- Same as former. Unless character/item seems to play key/integral role and information becomes "too much" for mentioning in a section or else there's no suitable place else to put it.
 * Dialogue 1-5 - If character has name. Else mentioned next best place, until character is named.