Board Thread:Wiki Discussions/@comment-25075055-20140410195636/@comment-25075055-20140514114611

Dantman wrote: * The Rollbacker group gets its name from the right it grants (rollback). Do consider the implications of making something named Rollbacker carry meaning besides what it is called. This is one of the reasons I'm suggesting a new usergroup. I don't want rollbackers to carry more meaning than they need to. * Discussion seems to be focused on "current" rollbackers. Keep in mind that the viral nature of the group means that "future" rollbackers can be practically anyone on the wiki. Another reason as to why a separate usergroup would be better. I don't want random "future" users to end up getting rollback and misusing that function (despite the potential for it not to happen, I don't want it to happen). The danger of forum rights depends not on their context but whether they can be undone, what is required to undo it, and what side-effects they create by a delay in response to them and after response. Closing threads can be undone: however, unless someone actually goes and reopens a thread and posts saying "this thread is reopened" (or words to that effect) or at least becomes aware of a thread having been closed (since there are no icons on the list of threads that indicate if a thread is closed), the thread will be dead and nobody will respond to it, essentially killing the discussion. The longer that the thread remains closed, the more chance that any contributors to the thread will not return to it, even if it's reopened. Essentially, closing a thread could be constituted as "censorship" of discussion, so it has to have some element of responsibility and not everyone will have the ability to make a judgement call such as that.

Also, sysops have the additional power to completely remove a thread from the boards: this is unlike the general "remove this thread" ability that everyone else has, in which the thread is simply "unapproved". The thread can still be accessed and restored if need be, but if a thread is removed completely by a sysop, the thread cannot be restored. Whether that power should extend to forum moderators, I do not know, but personally I think that such a power should stay strictly to sysops.

@Dantman: The point of me listing all the sysops was only to make a point about how there's almost no moderation in the forums and that only one person is actually interested in moderating them. I wasn't saying stuff like "these sysops should be demoted because they don't moderate the forum", mainly because I knew that they were sysop'd for other reasons: however, that should have been taken into account by certain sysops in this thread before they showed opposal for this proposition. :/