Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-44437908-20200507051002/@comment-44437908-20200513040128

LegionZero wrote: Oriondragon181119 wrote:

LegionZero you got everything wrong. First naruto had kurama's chakra for defeating deep forest emergence. Yea he got some from Kurama but his eyes/face dont indicate he was using bijuu chakra and just got a refill of hiz regular reserves. Naruto is capable doing that on his own. Ya but he had kurama's chakra so that is out of question he should have used his own or something like that.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Like you said above new era anime is cannon so kakashi's mud wall count. The original Naruto anime wasnt part of New Era and the official timeline cites the manga as the canon version of events. In boruto anime kakashi used mud wall against nue and boruto anime is cannon

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Against shin uchiha in boruto cannon counts. Not even sure what you are refereing to here In sarada arc sasuke used fireball against shin uchiha

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Sakura was never a main character and if she was she is severely underdeveloped. She was a main dont get it twisted and she was developed. Went from whiney little girl to Sannin apprentice to surpassing Tsunade to being a key part in Kaguya's defeat. Ya but compared to main character sakura didn't do anything great she relied too much on naruto she was like hinata. She hasn't surpassed tsunade nor anime neither manga confirms it. Hashirama said that she possesses monstrous strength more than tsunade but it doesn't mean she surpassed her. In fight against kaguya both kakashi and sakura did some things but sasuke and naruto was main. Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Ya naruto is strongest in entire shinobi world but my point is that he depends on kurama too much. Kishimoto made him like that. Every main character relies except Sakura relies on some sort of power they got from somewhere else. Ya that happens with all main character but naruto relies too much on kurama

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Sasuke's EMS is not an issue here the issue is that naruto does not have a kekkei genkai even though he is Ashura's reincarnate. Ashura didnt have a KKG so you dont have a point. The point of Ashura was that he literally had nothing special about him. Hashirama's strength and KKG didnt come from Ashura.

You also say Sasuke's EMS isnt an issue but you praise Sasuke's abilities but shit on Naruto's when their abilities and how they reach them are similar.

Why do you praise Sasuke's abilities even though he relied so much on Orochimaru's power or Itachi's eyes or to realy on Itachi's eyes but you give Naruto crap for relying in Kurama's? But ashura got spsm directly from hagoromo which should have made him too much strong which didn't that means indra was stronger than him. I am not praising sasuke nor his abilities he has used fire jutsu some times in manga. Naruto in part 1 got rasengan and its varient and rasenshuriken in part 2 and it's varient. He has not learned new jutsu which uses wind style and frog kata is taijutsu tech. Ya he uses shadow clones and transformation in battle in his different way but still no new nature transformation technique that doesn't have rsengan for base. He used mud wall in boruto manga and that's all. Ya sasuke got ems from itachi but right now if sasuke had his original eyes in war and got hagoromo chakra he would still be op as his blindness would be gone.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Ya naruto manga is about uchiha because there was uchiha massacre which has much importance than uzumaki massacre The most important event in the series was Kurama's attack on Konoha. It lead to the massacre.

But go ahead and ignore the 2 more times Konoha was destroyed or tge death of Jiraiya or any other event that impacted Naruto or made big changes to the village

The only person the massacre was truly important to was Sasuke. Ya most important event was kurama attack on konoha but if we consider uchiha vs senju and uzumaki then ya uchiha has more importance.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

senju clan is extint without a trace only two clans who can stand against uchiha were senju and uzumaki and both were extinct without explanation. Uzumaki was explained.

You are hyping the Uchiha way too much. Only 4 Uchiha were super strong. 2 were transmigrants and 1 was heavily modified. Ya uzumaki massacre was explained in one episode and we get full novel on uchiha massacre. There were 4 strong uchiha 2 were also strong but didn't have too much time but if not for shisui's eyes then kabuto would never have been stopped. But only 1 naruto uzumaki and 2 senju were strong tsunade is from senju but not that much strong compared hashi and tobi. Kushina and karin was strong too. And there was one uzumaki who was strong and that was nagato. But we got to see whole uchiha clan who survived uptil there massacre which happened in part 1, senju clan was not mentioned after konoha formation.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

If we were to match reincarnations against each other hashirama will beat naruto if we take kyubi out of equation 6 Paths Naruto? No. He damn near killed Juubidara while cloakless SPSM Ya but naruto cannot use truth seeker orbs without going into KCM. Let's compare Hashirama Spsm vs Naruto spsm but no kyubi and madara 2 rinnegan and saauke 2 rinnegan both hands who will win in these two fights. Naruto has hashicells for his hand but still cannot use wood style. And if you say there is no strong opponent then read boruto manga and understand that jigen is strongest.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

But sasuke can beat madara if madara was not jinchuriki of ten tails with hashi cells attached. If we are talking pre-6 Paths Sasuke then absolutely not. Without Hashirama cells Madara was just below Hashirama himself and could take on full Kurama. Sasuke was actually relying on Naruto/Kurama for power in the war and Jugo once too

Sasuke would have to be twice as strong as war arc Naruto at a minimum to match Madara Ya but I am not talking pre six paths after six paths Sasuke acquires rinnegan and madara has one too. But if hashirama acquires spsm then naruto will not be able to defeat hashirama if kyubi is out as kyubi is not part of reincarnations power. All tailed beast are part of it.

I am just saying that he should have different jutsu than his signature rasengan and rasenshuriken. Naruto could not acquire his truth seeker orbs without going into kcm. And right now they are gone truth seeker orbs pinnacle of ninjutsu and nature transformation gone like you throw shuriken only one thing that can go toe to toe with rinnengan. Let's try it from start Sasuke at end of part 1 was Evenly matched with naruto then naruto goes to train with jiraya and learns one new technique big ball rasengan and some taijutsu skills he doesn't learn signature moves from jiraya like his hair technique nor sage mode, he doesn't master kyubi chakra so in my opinion naruto doesn't learn anything important in 3 years while sasuke has trained very hard to master his curse mark and sharingan. Sakura has developed great skill in medical ninjutsu. It kakashi to tell naruto the true use of shadow clones even naruto trained under sannin for 3 years. Kakashi tells naruto to use natiure transformation in rasengan jiraya could do that too. Naruto acquires and master sage mode after jiraya's death. In war after acquiring spsm he instantly uses lava style rasenshuriken with one hand even though he had 3 years of training. So in shippuden the author just rushed naruto so that he becomes god of shinobi