Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-29994364-20161028174112/@comment-734582-20161102202752

Kakashisologod wrote: I agree with @Quaking star itachi wins this thanks to his tricks and smarts.@Kill man yes u guys dislike itachi becuse BZ called him invincible(witch is bullshit)< so u guys do the opposite and downplay him Context is everything. BZ proclaimed that at a point where anyone who would kick his ass was dead. Including Minato. So at the time there may have been nobody to challenge Itachi's power, that doesn't mean that he was literally invincible across all of time and against all enemies.

Secondly, i do think Itachi is strong. I just think Minato's form of victory is easier to achieve and less costly to attempt. These are the two conditions i apply when i don't know the outcome. In this case, Minato's speed makes it difficult for Itachi to land hits whereas Minato can hit Itachi. He can probably use his sealing abilities against Itachi (e.g. if Minato's seal can contain Kurama, why wouldn't it seal Susanoo?) and his chakra reserves are probably greater than Itachi's. So considering the means of victory for Minato and the means of victory for Itachi, i simply think Minato's cards are better.

But the real problem is the "full knowledge" condition which inevitably turns this into a "i counter your counter" style discussion.