Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36157725-20180816213118/@comment-31099706-20180817045213

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: [not: this sasuke would lose stuffs such as skills, abilities, change in raiton acquired from Orochimaru,so no kirin,snake sub,shuriken skills etc] Snakes yes. Kirin? Not exactly, Chidori and it's varients were secretly trained by Sasuke, as even Orochimaru didn't recognize the technique. And Shurikens were a part of the Uchiha talent, by far the only thing that Orochimaru probably trained him was the Snake jutsus and maybe some forbidden jutsus that he never used? And if I'm right, Sasuke basically stopped using those snakes after gaining the MS, he basically uses the giant snake summon rarely by times. Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: ....Sasuke without plot armour loses to Itachi genjutsu-wise...or even so Itachi still has kotoamatsukami on his side which is perfect for sasuke seeing as how he would'nt want to kill his brother either. Sasuke broke through Itachi's Tsukuyomi and other genjutsu tricks, there were no plot armour to that.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Even if he did take Itachi down somehow he would get the ETMS then proceed to war where he would be bitch-slapped by the 5 nations. Now that's a questionable point. But may I ask, what would happen if Sasuke got trained by Madara, who made the kid Obito into an equal of Madara at age 14? Sure he wouldn't have the training of Kakashi(unless this is after the post Chunnin exams Sasuke) and the training of Orochimaru. But Madara is kind of leagues above these two, and has knowledge over alot of things and techniques. And who knows, Madara might as supply him with some Hashi cells, increasing his powers more than regular Uchiha like Obito could, due to the Mix of Indra and Ashura chakra, his powers will probably super boost, and eventually also form a Rinnegen by the time. So, yes, I can see the Five Kage getting their ass kicked by this Sasuke, since they couldn't handle long against an edo Madara.

CombatIQmatters wrote: They lost because Obito outsmarted them, causing friendly fire. Obito isn't a genius or anything, but he showed the intelligence necessary to make it as far as he did with the eye of the moon plan and the war. Sasuke just had better latent talent due to being a reincarnate. Obito wouldn't have been able to develop a rinnegan on his own. Obito's cunning and was cool in most situations, due to his well, invulnerability. The fact that he can't be touched, gave him a cool composure at battles, that very nature in Sasuke was the very thing that got Madara wishing for Sasuke. If you think about it, Obito was too into emotions just like MS Sasuke was, attacking the leaf to just destroy it, and self questioning himself through Naruto. In the end, Obito got talk no Jutsu-ed which made him lose even though he was at that time, the most powerful during the war. While it took, Itachi, Tobirama, Hashirama, Minato, Sarutobi, Sakura, Kakashi and Naruto to get him to stop(after reaching him to a point that he couldn't get up though). Madara already noted that Obito was testing out Naruto and trying to see how he gives up and all. And noted that EMS/Rinnegen Sasuke wasn't much into feelings nor had made any rash decisions.