Talk:Uzumaki Clan/Archive 1

Crop
i think we should crop out the Senju portion seeing as how this is only about the Uzumaki clan. thoughts?Newthx2u (talk) 23:30, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * it would look too small and retarded... the image that clearly defines the two groups will suffice until they're debut in the anime --Cerez365 (talk) 14:38, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Senju Clan Ancestor
I know this is going to sound beyond corny but its still true when it comes to this: "I object, there is no proof!" -- Master Shannara (talk) July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * His infobox doesn't list him as a member, I know because I removed that from the infobox. For some reason, the concept which adds info to other pages based on what is in other infoboxes isn't updating properly, so it's showing him as a member, and not showing Mito, Kushina and Naruto. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:00, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Senju's gone (for me). Maybe it's because Naruto, Kushina, and Mito aren't using Uzumaki  C lan? ~SnapperTo 18:41, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. Senju clan members all have lower case c, and they all end up in the Senju Clan article, with upper case c. The link is a redirect, but they still appear there. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:50, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know that. But I am suggesting that that is why it is not working in this case. Uzumaki leader has capital C, the others have lowercase. That's the only explanation I can come up with. ~SnapperTo 18:59, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

On another note could it be added that like the Senju Clan they were blessed with a great life force? --Cerez365 (talk) 18:25, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Affiliations
Couldn't Konohagakure be considered an affiliation as well? XxKibaxX (talk) 04:18, July 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Only a few members ever have anything to do with Konoha. That's not enough for the entire clan to become an affiliate. ~SnapperTo 04:29, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

503 Cover
Apparently the cover for 503 confirms that Minato married into the clan as it said the "Uzumaki family". That and the symbols on their shirts were that of Uzushio. Most likely this means the Uzumaki Clan symbol is also the symbol for Uzushio. Shock Dragoon 10:50PM ETZ Jul-21-10


 * It would imply the other way around actually. That the village symbol is also a clan symbol. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:41, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's what I meant, seems the Uzumaki ran the place. Shouldn't we add the symbol to the Clan section as well then? Shock Dragoon 10:08 Jul-22-10 ETZ


 * A hypothetical scene is hardly the best place to draw on for information like this. It would be confusing and strange to use your clan symbol as the symbol for an entire village. I'm not saying it isn't so, but it would be odd. Unless Uzushiogakure only consisted of the Uzumaki clan. --ShounenSuki (talk 07:59, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, the scene in the picture is not a true seen, so information like he said is not reliable. Although possible, we can't go and say that the spiral is the uzumaki clan's symbol, even though their name means spiral... --Sauske-Blaze (talk) 00:48, July 29, 2010 (UTC)Sauske-Blaze

Tsunade and Nawaki
Shouldn't we add Tsunade and Nawaki as members since they are of Uzumaki blood through their grandmother? Master Shannara (talk) August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Too distant and otherwise superseded by Senju. ~SnapperTo 19:37, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

Too distant and otherwise superseded by Senju? That's sounds stupid unless the Senju were inbreeding with each other which is highly unlikely.Shade14 (talk) 00:40, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Shade14 one of their parents has Uzumaki blood which makes them members just like Nagato and Naruto.NoahUchiha (talk) 00:45, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

I also agree w/ Shade 14, they make a good point... I realise that I'm responding to events of last year, but I just want to make a contribution to this very informative, and complete wiki. 05:18, August 24, 2011 (UTC) (hmmm. I should probably set up a sig)
 * \o/ looky at that random person walks in (who i just somehow know isn't gonna be a regular editor...), makes a comment, another random person less than 5 minutes later responds supporting him? wow. I mean what coincidence. S im A nt 00:57, September 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Regardless, I kinda agree with them. They have at least one Uzumaki grandparent, that's not exactly distant. I just don't go ahead and add it because I think that things like these should be discussed first. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:44, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Tsunade and Nawaki as far as we now had nothing to do with the clan, and I don't think their grandmother being from the clan makes automatically them members.--Deva 27 (talk) 02:03, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

It does seem odd that two people commented around the same time own a topic that has not been discussed for almost two months LOL. Just cause they have nothing to do with the clan doesn't doesn't make them members. If that's the case then Naruto and Nagato should not be a members because like Tsunade and Nawaki they have one parent who descends from the uzumaki. Reddju (talk) 03:28, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

We learned out of the blue that Nagato was an Uzumaki, and there has never been any indication of that. As far as blood is concerned, Tsunade and Nawaki would be members. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:47, September 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Except that is not actually how clans work. Generally speaking, you're never a member of more than one clan at a time. Of course, you can be a member of one clan and then marry into another clan, but that would mean losing the membership of the former clan.
 * Adding all clans a character can claim descent from could become unwieldy and ridiculous. For a real-life example, I myself am a known descendent of over 130 different families. I only truly belong to one family, though.
 * Tsunade and Nawaki might be descendent of the Uzumaki clan, but only (partially at least) through the female line and two generations past. There isn't a culture in the world that would consider them Uzumaki. —ShounenSuki (talk 01:25, September 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Funny, I was thinking about asking you this exact question. That would mean we have to remove Mito from the Uzumaki clan, because she married into the Senju clan? Or is she listed in both because Senju and Uzumaki themselves are related clans? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:36, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mito should stay. Not only was she a member of the Uzumaki clan before marrying Hashirama, her Uzumaki heritage is also very important to the story. —ShounenSuki (talk 01:41, September 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * People need to remember that different cultures sometimes have different family structures. In Japanese culture it is Patrilineal, where descent is determined through the male. Tsundae and Nawaki aren't considered Uzumaki because Mito married into the Senju clan and thus the offspring is considered Senju. They are related but they aren't classified as Uzumaki, though we don't know if Tsundae and Nawaki are even Senju. They could be children of a female Senju.--Alastar 89 (talk) 20:39, May 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Say what? I dont remember ever seeing Narutos name as Naruto Namikaze. He clearly got his last name, and thus (at least acording to this wiki) membership of his clan from his mother not his father. The same also seems to be the case with Kiba, since his mother is clearly a member of Inuzuka, altough we do not know who his father is, so this can't be confirmed. --Cosmikaze (talk) 15:01, July 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * you need to remember that naruto's name would have indeed been naruto namikaze, if it was not for the fact that the leaf village was trying to hide his ancestry. as for the case of kiba- i don't think that applies here, although his mom is a female, shes also the presumed leader of the clan and due to ancient Japanese ancestry kiba will automatically inherit the name of the clan's leader by default Sor en ita x --FlameKidRyuu (VII)

I think this really bears discussing further. I don't see why Tsunade and Nawaki shouldn't be considered Uzumaki clan members just because they don't have the last name. They don't have the Senju last name either, but they're still considered members of that clan, and they have the same amount of Uzumaki and Senju blood. If it's a matter of not having grown up in Uzushiogakure, Naruto didn't either, but we list him as a member because he has the last name. Naruto is an Uzumaki through the female line as well and again, he's still considered Uzumaki. 98.238.122.68 (talk) 07:34, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * It is not because they do not bear the name, it is because they're simply too distant down the line to be considered such. For example, you would be a member of the clan whose last name you have, associated with the one your mother has and barely related to the one your grandmother (who married into the family) is a part of. As for Kiba, we know nothing of his father.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 09:51, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Nagato's Parents
In their article it states their affiliation with the Uzumaki Clan. However, I'm unable to add them (since trying to edit with form doesn't show the list of members), so could someone please add them?--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 22:49, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Members aren't shown because they don't depend on things added to this page. It'll update itself automatically when [technical software explanation] happens. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:17, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think Nagato and Nagato's Parents are really part of the clan, mainly because the anime or the manga does not even mention any of them being part of the Uzumaki Clan. Sliferdude (talk) 03:52, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * And I think you should go reread chapter 510 and rewatch Shippūden episode 253. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:32, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Rinnegan
Can we assume that the Rinnegan is, as the article's infobox says, an Uzumaki clan kekkei genkai? There is only one known descendant of the clan that has the Rinnegan (Nagato, obviously). Also, Madara clains to have given Nagato the Rinnegan. Clearly that is highly controversial, but I don't think we should dismiss the possibility. I think that, until confirmed, the Rinnegan should be removed from the Uzumaki Clan's kekkei genkai list. Abells92 (talk) 23:32, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

I agree, Madara said he "gave" the rinnegan to him, so Nagato might not have been born with it.--Deva 27 (talk) 23:34, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I thnk Madara was somehow involved in certain time in his life, possibly when his parents were killed, or when Nagato used the Rinnegan to kill the shinobi who were threatening him. --GoDai (talk) 23:41, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

We don't know the circumstances of that, it's unclear. From what we know, Madara could simply mean he was involved with the death of Nagato's parents, the event which awakened Nagato's Rinnegan. I added it to the infobox on the basis that one person having the kekkei genkai is enough to put it in the clan box, since only Hashirama had Wood Release, yet it is listed as a Senju kekkei genkai. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:47, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * and what about the possibility that madara used one izangi to create the rinnegen within nagato? Or that the parent that he got it from was not the parent from the uzumaki clan? Gonna suggest that the rinnengan is not added to the clan infobox... 74.236.92.133 (talk) 00:47, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Those are possible explanations, but since we don't actually know what Madara did, all we can do is say that Nagato, as an Uzumaki clan member, had the Rinnegan. If they reveal later that there was a transplant of sorts, or something that means Nagato didn't naturally acquired the Rinnegan, we remove it from the box. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:18, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree there's a lot of speculation around it stil. And it isn't exactly a clan technique since special conditions are required in order to possess the eyes...--Cerez365 (talk) 04:10, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * And a member of the clan still got it. Until we know the exact nature of what Madara meant by "giving Nagato the Rinnegan", it's an almost exact case as Wood Release. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:37, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Only reason senju has it is because the were called approx. "senju of the forrest" S im A nt 23:40, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Didn't they get that nickname because Hashirama had the Wood Release? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:12, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that's a good point. Part of the Senju's fame was because of wood release. The Rinnegan, as far as we know, has nothing to do with the Uzumaki's infamy. Listing it in the infobox because of one member would necessitate listing Konoha and Ame too, as at least one clansmen is affiliated with those villages. ~SnapperTo 02:19, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

we do have a problem here with izanagi, it was said that the uchiha's refferd to it as a kinjutsu, does it mean it's another kekkei genkai to the list of the clan? i think that the rinnegan shouldn't be considered as a bloodline limit of the uzumaki clan, until it is proven otherwise, one user of a clan is not enough..even though hashirama senju is known as hashirama of the forest.. if we take it to considiration the izanagi is more appropriate to be listed as another kekkei genkai then the rinnegan and the wood release,there are to many doubts.. by the way, if the claims i raised here were allready mentioned,fell free to correct/delete this phrase.Shauli (talk) 10:23, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Because of Nagato, we might as well keep the Rinnegan as "Kekkei Genkai" for the time being until the Rinnegan is explained in further detail. What's the harm? Shock Dragoon Sept-17-10 3:00PM ETZ


 * Still, it appears to be a granted-kekkei genkai and not a clan jutsu. It wasn't even around when they were active as a clan. ZeroSD (talk) 23:34, September 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know about that. Nagato's about the same age as Kushina [if she hadn't died], maybe a little younger. And the Uzumaki were certainly still around at some point during her life.
 * Of course, I still don't think Nagato's having it merits giving the Rinnegan as the clan's kekkei genkai. ~SnapperTo 23:55, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

From what I understood of the new Izanagi info, it was a jutsu that originally was used by the Sage of the Six through the Rinnegan. Because the Sharingan is an offshot if the Rinnegan, the Uchiha could also use Izanagi, but since they lacked the vitality of the Senju clan, it only worked "for the briefest of moments" and it blinded the eye of its user. Danzo could use it better because had ten Sharingan to blind, and Hashirama's cells, even if he didn't control it. Ten minutes worth of Izanagi isn't the briefest of moments. Madara could also use it longer because he "acquired the power of Hashirama", whatever that might mean. On listing Konoha and Ame, it wouldn't be necessary, since while Nagato is an Uzumaki, the survivors were scattered around the world, they were no longer settled in one village, plus, there was never any indication that Nagato even knew he was an Uzumaki. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:40, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible that the Rinnegan can be acquired if an Uzumaki is infused with Uchiha DNA but is able to control it fully, a similar case to getting Izanagi? It would explain why Madara said what he said about giving Nagato the Rinnegan, maybe he covertly experimented on his mother when she was pregnant or something. (It would also explain why Itachi gave Naruto a currently-unknown power. Kishimoto seems to have a soft spot for Doujutsu, so it wouldn't surprise me if Naruto temporarily -or even permanently- got the Rinnegan.) Note that these speculations are just for the sake of the conversation, I'm not proposing putting them in the main article. 212.205.3.44 (talk) 10:10, February 10, 2011 (UTC)ChrisD It's a bit late for me to add any input about the Rinnegan being an Uzumaki kekkei genkai, but one thing to keep in mind about Madara's claim that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan is this... Madara's not a very reliable person, or his words aren't at least. He claimed that he had nothing to do with the fox attacking the village, after all.98.22.71.167 (talk) 03:10, March 5, 2011 (UTC)Ryne

the clan's symbol
I think the clan's symbol is the one that is on the konoha shinobi uniforms(the red one)and until now we haven't seen any other symbols that are related to this clan so I suggest you add this icon for the clan but it's your choice. --94.183.152.197 (talk) 09:29, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

agreed


 * Then that settles it doesn't it?! --Cerez365 (talk) 16:17, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

I agree as well, for the time being we might as well use the Red Swirl as the clan symbol until explained otherwise. I mean, come one, like mentioned above that symbol has bee used to symbolize them enough to be considered the symbol Shock Dragoon Sept-17-10 3:00PM ETZ


 * =O More confirmation! --Cerez365 (talk) 19:06, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Kushina states that it is the symbol of the village, not the clan.--Deva 27 (talk) 19:10, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

sage of the six path
should we put in the trivia section that the uzumaki clan is related to the sage of the six path? for exemple nagato have the rinnegan and naruto new seal is similar to the six path appearence
 * Nagato having the Rinnegan and Naruto's new seal resembling the Sage doesn't mean they're related to him. —Fmakck (Images 15:27, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * They where distant relatives to the senju clan, so yes they are most likely related to the sage of six paths, but we can't confirm if this is in direct lineage of the senju ancestor of some third brother or a sibling or cousin of the sage himself, so i also suggest we leave it be. --Gojita (talk) 21:44, August 21, 2011 (UTC)Gojita

We don't know how or why or if Hashirama had to awaken the Wood Release for example. So whatever Kekkei Genkai that a clan member has should be listed in the Clan page even if its a exclusive for one member. So Sasuke's blaze release and The Rinnegan should be added to the Uchiha page, and the Rinnegan should be added to the Uzumaki page. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:38, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

I added the Rinnegan since it has Shown up in at least one member of the clan, now a section needs to be made for it more specifically. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:44, October 26, 2011 (UTC) ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:42, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

I won't re-add the information I added until it is confirmed just how Madara "gave" Nagato the Rinnegan, and depending on how it was "given" to him the information might not be put on at all. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 08:08, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure we'll at least get answers on the EMS to Rinnegan next chapter, so we may have answers regarding Nagato soon as well. Don't overwork yourself. It would be a pain to spend a great deal of time applying information you believe is correct only fo find out tomorrow that it isn't. Ryne 91 (talk) 08:20, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Vitality
Should something to the effect of "great vitality" be added as a unique ability to the pages of clan members? I mean, it does allow them to survive the removal of a Tailed Beast (maybe temporarily), which seems rather significant. Skitts (talk) 18:45, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

The Rinnegan
Why is there no mention or section for the Rinnegan on this page? Nagato is a noticeable member of the Clan who Unlocked the Rinnegan at a young age. The rinnegan should have a section here just as it has one on the Uchiha sharingan and Mangekyo page. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 06:23, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Because there's nothing that really connects the Rinnegan to the Uzumaki clan. How Nagato managed to obtain the Rinnegan is still very much a mystery and likely involves Madara/Tobi and less than natural means. —ShounenSuki (talk 08:17, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

His point is most likely that whatever mean it was, it should be mentioned "one member of uzumaki clan managed to unlock the Rinnegan by unknown means" --Elveonora (talk) 11:43, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * With the possibility of "unnatural means" we cannot mention that. It'd mean that it could be done to anyone that meets certain criteria. We'll have to wait for more information to proceed on this point.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 11:50, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

How the hell else did Madara obtain the ability to awaken the Rinnegan? By integrating Hashirama's cells. It is stated clearly in the latest chapters by Kabuto saying Madara got some of Hashirama's DNA resulting in Madara looking at the skin under his shirt. Lets not play dumb you all know very well what that is, and it is UNNATURAL means. So is the Eternal Mangekyo since it is awakened by taking a Siblings eyes, which again, is NOT NATURAL. Yet the Eternal Mangekyo and The Rinnegan are still placed on the Uchiha Page. It is biased and childish not to mention it on the Uzumaki page. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 06:15, November 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * The Rinnegan is not on the Uchiha's page as a clan's dōjutsu and there is way more information available on what's going on with Madara as opposed to Nagato. In time all the information will be represented here so calm down.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 12:03, November 27, 2011 (UTC)

Sage of the Six Paths
Why is he not listed as their ancestor ? --Elveonora (talk) 01:13, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because manga never said he was their ancestor. It is possible for the Uzumaki to be relate to the Uzumaki without them having the Sage as a common ancestor you know. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:17, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

They are said to be distantly related to Senju, thus they share the ancestor. Arguing over if they originate directly from the Sage or just through possible inbreeding with Senju from some point on won't help since we don't know that, right ... Still, it's an ancestor. --Elveonora (talk) 03:03, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * They can have a common ancestor that's not the Sage, plain and simple. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:36, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Regenerative/Healing Powers
Was it stated in databook that Naruto's regeneration is due to Kurama or it was just in manga from Kakashi's assumption like Rinnegan is a mutation and Sharingan came from Byakugan ? I mean, character's opinions are not fact, and since all known hosts of Kurama are from Uzumaki Clan, I think it's likely their powers were mistaken for Kurama's. Actually Kurama's chakra is quite the opposite of regeneration. --Elveonora (talk) 16:31, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Kakashi, Kabuto, Jiraiya and Fukasaku have stated that. It's a part of the whole Tailed Beast protecting its host thing. No Uzumaki has shown the ability to heal themselves in that way, or was said to be able to. Just because Kurama can harm Nartuto with its chakra doesn't mean it can't do the opposite to protect itself.Skitts (talk) 16:34, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

No other beasts were shown healing their host if I remember well. Could not it be that Kurama's chakra enhances Naruto's Uzumaki Clan Healing Power ? --Elveonora (talk) 16:42, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Introducing a massive amount of chakra into someone tends to heal them, a la Samehada healing Kisame when he was fighting B. Speaking of B, his skin was shown to have been incinerated when he fully transformed into Gyuki, yet he was fine when he emerged from the tentacle. could be a special ability Kurama has. In any case, I don't see why we should think that since 4 or more characters said it was Kurama doing it. Skitts (talk) 16:45, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

No other beast was ever shown to take control of their host while they slept, or create ink or slime. They're unique animals with unique skills.I've never seen Naruto display impressive healing abilities akin to that of Karin's. Not because Karin has the ability to heal means that it's an Uzumaki skill. We might as well drop in Mind's Eye of the Kagura and say they all have the Rinnegan as well. Naruto was without the fox for half a day in his life. How exactly are you going to be able to judge what is his power separate from that of the fox? Things can be changed when more information is available.--Cerez365™ 16:48, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

I see, thanks. --Elveonora (talk) 16:48, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Well, when Orochimaru blocked access to Kurama's chakra during Chunin Exams, after his fight with Kiba he used the ointment from Hinata. His wound healed and Naruto assumed it works like magic and Kakashi it was due to Kurama's chakra. But it was apparently not due to the ointment and could not be due to Kurama as well at that time. --Elveonora (talk) 17:01, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Naruto still had Kurama's chakra. It's not like Orochimaru's seal sucked away all of the chakra that had mixed with Naruto's over the years. It's definitely because of Kurama. Skitts (talk) 18:27, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, we simply can't distinguish between Naruto's healing powers, and the Kyubi's healing powers. It's currently fact that Gaara's mother protected him (and not Shukaku). There is also the knowledge that a Tailed Beast could resurrect itself after being killed alongside its host, which means that a Tailed Beast doesn't have to care about the health of its host. With Karin now being confirmed as an Uzumaki, the manga is seeding some doubts about Naruto's healing ability. Common sense says that it helps to achieve a long life if you have some sort of advanced healing ability, so it's not much of a stretch for Uzumaki to have such an ability. But this might be something akin to Kushina's chakra chains; i.e. something uncommon (but not unique) among members of the Uzumaki clan. Only their "life force" and red hair are confirmed to be traits of all Uzumaki up to this point. But with their relevancy to the plot... who knows what will happen next. All in all, it's a distinct possibility that Naruto's latent ability is strengthened by the Kyubi's chakra mixing with Naruto's chakra.--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 23:19, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * So why exactly would they want to die and then reformed? Wouldn't tailed beasts simply use the opportunities that they got to go berserk and kill their hosts then be reborn free? There are negative side effects.
 * As for commons sense telling you that to live long you need some super-amazing healing ability- that is fodder. People live a long time in the real world without such things. In any case you could assume that's what the strong life-force was for.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 23:26, March 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Learn to read! I questioned the statement in this thread that a Tailed Beast cares about the health of its host. Now that we know that a Tailed Beast can get resurrected, a Tailed Beast can do whatever it desires.
 * Second, I said it helps achieve a long life when you have an advanced healing ability. And for your information, people achieve a long life (on average) precisely because of good health care.--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 00:18, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Read? What is that? You said that a tailed beast doesn't care about its host referencing the fact that they could simply regenerate after some time. I asked why wouldn't they just kill their hosts if they didn't care. I never refuted that it didn't help but you're clutching to straws linking all Uzumaki to having strong healing abilities when they could have simply had good health care. Learn to stop being such a div.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 00:28, March 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's annoying when someone doesn't bother to read what's actually written! I said that a Tailed Beast doesn't have to care about the health of its host. I clarified it...and you're still arguing!
 * And I never actually linked all Uzumaki to having strong healing abilities. I wrote that the manga is seeding doubts; that it's a possibility; and that it cannot be generalised.
 * And I'm done arguing with you.--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 01:01, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Uzumaki Possibly related to sensory techniques?
I think its worth mentioning that so every Uzumaki clan member that has been shown ( with the exception of kushina) extensively has an ability to use sensory techniques in the trivia. Not only is this true, but it seems as if each technique is above par of most normal methods of sensing

(Mito- Negative emotion sensing) (Naruto - Negative Emotion sensing) (Karin- Mind's eye of Kagura) (Nagato- Chakra rain sensing technique) (Uzumaki Leader- Hey, Giant Lizards don't Magically spawn in front of you ;-D )
 * Naruto and Mito's sensing is conditional. It's because of Kurama. This is junk trivia.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 18:13, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

But if their abilities come from Kurama, then why didn't Kushina( whom also mastered the nine tails) receive the ability also? Mito was never shown to have a mastery over kurama ( it was just assumed). i think that the negative emotion sensing is an latent ability possessed by uzumaki members, and just happens to awaken and get more powerful when that person is a jinchuriki. I guess it depends on how you look at the situation, we'll just have to get more replies to see. 50.133.8.59 (talk) 18:23, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * No. The Uzumaki have never been said to have anything special to do with sensory abilities. Heck, 2 of the 3 can only sense while in a special mode. So no. "o.o Skitts (talk) 18:26, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because everyone is not the same. We were never told what abilities Kushina gained from having Kurama sealed within her. Also, it'd be good to note that neither Kushina no Mito were said to have "mastered" Kurama, instead, they were able to seemingly subdue the beast completely while it was sealed within them. You're clutching at straws.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 18:29, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Except for their "life force" (or whatever the precise translation is), we don't know anything Uzumaki clan abilities---genetically speaking that is. We do know they specialised in sealing (which might just be Uzumaki trying to prevent boredom in their long lives, for all we know :-p ). Anyway, it's not that much of a stretch to connect their own "life force" with the ability to detect "life". And to be technical, Naruto's version of sensing negative emotions is very different from Mito's (unless we are told that Mito was able to do Kyubi Chakra Mode). Unfortunately, this might just be another case of a certain percentage of Uzumaki ninja having unique abilities (like Kushina and her chakra chains), which means it can't be generalised to the clan as a whole. Which raises an interesting question: Where the Uzumaki clan exterminated just for their sealing prowess? Or where they also exterminated for the wide range of unique genetic abilities some of their members where born with? --Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 22:33, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

So ? :D --Elveonora (talk) 18:16, March 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Uhm, so why haven't Senju who are also stated to have been blessed with extraordinary life forces not possess the same sensory abilities? To be technical, I'm not entirely sure how it is that you can say Mito and Naruto's abilities are different when we know nothing of Mito's abilities where Kurama's influence is concerned.
 * Again that bit about them having unique genetic abilities where is that coming from? With the exception of Kushina whose chakra was special and Karin's Mind's Eye of the Kagura, the other members haven't shown "wide range of genetic abilities". I really don't see why people read into stuff so much.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 18:27, March 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, that second bit was me being confused. I stated that we didn't know anything about the Uzumaki clan's genetic abilities...and then pondered whether they were killed because of it. I've put it in strike-through now.--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 17:00, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

- Mito, sensor due to Kurama - Kushina, longevity/durability - Karin, sensor and healing stuff - Naruto, sensor in both Sage and Rikudo modes and healing stuff Must be some connection there. --Elveonora (talk) 23:18, March 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't see a connection with any of those though. All three except Karin have been jinchuriki of the same beast- it's not uncommon for hosts to gain additional abilities from the beast being sealed inside them and logivity/durability is possessed by all Uzumaki.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 23:32, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

There is no connection between the Uzumaki and sensing as the series has said or implied thus far. 2 of the 4 known Uzumaki that are know to be able to sense chakra do so through the Sage Mode and Kurama's power. Skitts (talk) 03:42, March 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I like how you said "thus far". Fans do realise that the author is giving himself options. Unfortunately, some people are jumping to conclusions.--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 17:38, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Negative Emotions Sensing. The only Uzumaki we know are special...which makes it too easy to generalise it too the whole clan. But the same argument also goes for the Uzumaki Jinchuriki...besides all three having Uzumaki blood, they all have the Kyubi in common. That doesn't mean that all their abilities are related to the Kyubi in the same way (if at all related to the Kyubi). Mito's seal was different from Naruto's, as Minato designed his. When sealed inside Naruto, the Kyubi only had his yang chakra. It is unknown whether Mito tamed the Kyubi like Naruto did. The logical conclusion is that Negative Emotions Sensing is also different, despite the fact that it achieves the same result. A few people in this thread seem to view it as the same technique, while it hasn't even gotten an official name, so...until then it is just as generic as the Chakra Sensing Technique.

But...even if Mito, Nagato, Karin and Naruto display extraordinary sensor abilities, that cannot be generalised to the whole clan. Especially when the intuitive connection between life-force and healing; and life-force and sensing life only exists in the English language and not necessarily in the Japanese language. It is fun to speculate though. Especially when the author has this habit of foreshadowing, then backing off...only to have to retcon his foreshadowing. LOL--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 17:38, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Uzumaki Healing?
The recent chapter, as Kabuto explains having immitated the powers of the Uzumaki after examining Karin, going into detail particularly of their 'strong life-force', we see his tail, which was split in two, begin to heal back together. Is this a suggestion that maybe the Uzumaki have a natural accelerated healing rate? And if so, is this enough evidence to support that maybe Naruto's healing isn't (at least not entirely) an effect of the fox's chakra? 184.57.195.244 (talk) 22:45, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * . More than likely the strong life force is linked to her healing abilities. However, that does not mean it's an ability of every Uzumaki.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 23:16, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Four Symbols Seal
According to the article for the seal, it is only based off of Uzumaki sealing techniques, not necessarily one of the clan's techniques itself. Or did I miss something? Skitts (talk) 14:03, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think you missed anything. At the same time, it's the closest thing to the legendary sealing techniques of the Uzumaki clan. I assume that's why it's there.--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 17:42, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I remember being part of this. There's probably a ShounenSuki translation somewhere either in one of my archives or one of his. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:26, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Uzumaki Symbol
I think the Uzumaki Symbol should be changed from the color red to blue. As I was looking through more Uzumaki things, I saw the picture of the Uzumaki and Senju clan standing next to each other. If you observe the pic, it is pretty clear that the color of the Uzumaki Symbol in the back is Blue instead of Red, so should it be changed? 24.183.38.242 (talk) 19:43, June 19, 2012 (UTC) JiraiyaSenpai
 * Where did you see a coloured scan of the Uzumaki symbol?--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 20:08, June 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * This is the image. I dont really know how to respond on this wiki page...using edit if thats how it is -wiki noob-


 * The depictions in the anime are sometimes incorrect so we use the depiction as in the manga as that is the most original. Also, please make sure to sign your posts with ~ or the signature button on the toolbar above. Also, I've fixed your image so it's just a link. --Speysider Talk Page 20:38, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) That's fine. But that isn't the symbol of the Uzumaki clan but Uzushiogakure. The symbol wasn't taken as confirmed until chapter 568 where it was behind Mito and Kushina even though it's hung over Mito's bed when Kishina had her flashback and such. They coloured the symbol wrong or it's just night and it looks dark. Kishimoto's always coloured that symbol red or at least has a tendency to colour all swirls red.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 20:42, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see ^^ Thankyou for clearing that up24.183.38.242 (talk) 22:11, June 19, 2012 (UTC)JiraiyaSenpai

the uzumaki kekkei genkai....
i think we should go ahead and put that the uzumaki kekkei genkai is the ability to live after a tailed beast exstraction as u can only live from it if u are an uzumaki so it should be resiliance or endurace? but still they do have one and it cant be dismissed
 * we don't know if it's a kekkei genkai, it was never stated. So we won't come up with it.94.135.242.181 (talk) 10:19, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Erm... What makes you think its a Kekkei Genkai? Anyways, unless stated it won't be added. ~ Ultimate  Supreme  12:18, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty sure that Uzumaki have a KKG, or even more than one. It's just not something named. Foe example Hyuga were stated to have more KKG than Byakugan if I remember correctly, likely refers to their talent with tenketsu manipulation--Elveonora (talk) 19:11, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Just because a ninja family is a clan doesn't mean it has a kekkei Genkai. It could soley mean that they know special jutsu unique to their family that were passed orally like the ino-shika-cho clans' or the Aburame clan's. - Erik

We have absolutely no proof to say the Uzumaki have a Kekkei Genkai. I mean judging by that logic then we should add that the Uchiha's powerful Chakra and battle prowess or the Sarutobi Clan members obvious skill for using high ranked Techniques with little effort are Kekkei Genkai, even though we have no reason to say so other than the fact that they have goof genes.71.71.58.231 (talk) 19:41, January 8, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan

That's what KKG is, unique genes being passed down through generations, it doesn't have to be named.--Elveonora (talk) 19:54, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not everything people do are kekkei genkai. To my knowledge, they've shown nothing that's a kekkei genkai if you strictly adhere to what the phrase means. Loosely, the only thing the clan's inherited is a powerful life force which is not considered a kekkei genkai.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 20:09, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Exactly. It's not an ability or Technique. It's simply a physical trait.71.71.58.231 (talk) 20:51, January 8, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan

That's what I refer to as KKG. Something being unique to a group of individuals that's being passed down is genetic trait... they don't need to have 6 arms of 3 eyes. I mean, they don't have any named or known bloodline limit, but vitality and strong life force are something every Uzumaki possess, nope?--Elveonora (talk) 10:06, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Do we really know that about every member of the clan? what about Nagato's parents? Anyway, it was never stated to be a KKG, so I don't think we should label it as such. Otherwise, we would have to go through almost every clan and add unnamed KKG's, since every one of them has some kind of special power.Norleon (talk) 10:12, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm also against such thing. Was just stating the obvious. They have special powers, but they aren't something solid or named--Elveonora (talk) 10:15, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

I was never saying things like life force and vitality (same thing) should be listed as a kekkei genkai by the way, that was just indulgence on my part with Elveonora. It is possible that the clan has a kekkei genkai or a person does, but to our knowledge, none have legitimately possessed any such thing.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 17:45, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Chakra Reserves
I already added this to the page, but why wasn't the massive chakra reserves put on as another thing gained by Uzamaki trait? It was stated quite a few times throughout the anime/manga. Naruto is a great example of this, and the other members of the clan don't seem to be lacking in chakra, either. (Nagato especially) 192.183.30.172 (talk) 02:40, January 29, 2013 (UTC)Adam "The members of the Uzumaki clan possessed both incredible longevity and life force" Is that what you're referring to?--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 06:04, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

That doesn't quite cover what it means. Longevity and life force don't relate to chakra. The longevity means they have great stamina and life force means they are much more resistant to death, as seen by kushina. They have massive chakra reserves. That means they can use many many more jutsu with less strain on their body. Oh, also why didn't my change stay? did someone change it back or does it have to go through something before it sticks? 192.183.30.172 (talk) 03:30, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 * It got changed back because the discussion hasn't reached a concensous.71.71.58.231 (talk) 03:53, February 4, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan

oh ok so its pointless to put stuff on there until people start agreeing on it in the topic questions? ok that makes sense thanks. thats probably why there is no stupid stuff on any of these pages. but anyways back to the question. yeah they are different so shouldn't the chakra part be added? 192.183.30.172 (talk) 05:44, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 * Big or controversial things are first talked 'bout on 'tha talk pages first, so as 'ta avoid edit wars and spam. 'Tha's 'tha point 'a talk pages in 'tha first place.71.71.58.231 (talk) 06:03, February 4, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 * Okay so longevity means they can live for however long and life force has to do with stamina (and some other stuff possibly). Where was it ever stated though, that Uzumaki had great chakra reserves? --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 14:12, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, nowhere.--~ Ultimate  Supreme  14:25, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

I always thought life force = chakra--Elveonora (talk) 17:24, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

It was never stated by someone but it seems like a fairly obvious trait by using examples. Naruto has an incredible amount of chakra on his own. Nagato was an Uzumaki, and he quite obviously had high amounts of chakra as well. Though not much is known of her, Mito was also noted to be a strong ninja and had the capabilities to seal the nine tails into herself. The amount of chakra seems to be fairly genetic, as most Uchiha have decent chakra reserves as well. I would assume that it is passed by the genes because of my examples listed. 192.183.30.172 (talk) 21:42, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam

This is just me trying to get more people in the conversation. 192.183.30.172 (talk) 21:25, February 5, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 * This is one of those cases where it'd have to actually be said that they have it. Naruto has a seal that has been freely mixing his and a tailed beasts chakra. Nagato did have a large reserve, and what Mito did was "inhuman"? but we still don't know that it's a family thing.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 16:44, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Well, I agree, I don't remember large chakra reserves being ever mentioned. But isn't lifeforce chakra? That means = strong chakra, right?--Elveonora (talk) 20:28, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Chakra and life force are different. Senju inherited strong life force and Uchiha inherited strong chakra. Would it be worth creating an article on life force, since it has come up quite a few times?--BeyondRed (talk) 22:27, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Kishi never explained what Life Force is, googling life force brings up articles about chakra and physical but MOSTLY spiritual energies ._. Source of life in Naruto is chakra, once it's gone, a person dies, thus life force sounds like chakra to me--Elveonora (talk) 23:19, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to try to explain the difference, but I'm not sure how well I'll do. I'll just use an example. There is a clear difference between the two because Chiyo uses a reanimation jutsu where she transfers her life force into others. If it was just chakra, theres a decent chance that she would not die. But since she uses her own life force, the thing that keeps people alive, she transferred such a large amount to Gaara to bring him back to life that she died. Yes, using all of your chakra would kill you, but thats because it is so close to the internal organs that without it, your body would no longer function. I hope this somewhat clarifies the difference. Oh, and since it was not actually mentioned, will the chakra reserve thing not be allowed on the page? As a compromise, do you think it could go somewhere less important, like trivia? Like put "it is possible that... " 192.183.30.172 (talk) 23:34, February 6, 2013 (UTC)Adam

It's strange, but it would appear that chakra, life force, and a soul are separate concepts, but all equally required to live. Techniques like Rinne Tensei and Kabuto's Muki Tensei deal specifically in life force, rather than chakra. So it would seem that all living things have life force, which can be expended to some extent, and the "strength" of one's life force is dependent upon their genetics, hence Hashirama and Orochimaru's life force being superior to most.--BeyondRed (talk) 01:09, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

This is more of a general question for all pages, but are examples good enough to change things? If fact is required, then this shouldn't be added, but if examples are allowed as fact, then it should be put on the page. One of the main dissents of adding this has also been that life force and chakra are the same thing, but since they are not, this has a better chance of being placed on the page. So, opinions? Adam10003 (talk) 23:06, February 9, 2013 (UTC)Adam

The reason why one dies when all the chakra is used is due to the fact that chakra is crafted with physical energy (the body) and spiritual energy (experience, essentially). When your body is at the point you can no longer make chakra, it means the body itself is at such a weakened state it cannot support itself. Stamina and chakra have both been interchanged a few times in the manga, especially where Naruto is concerned (with some characters saying Stamina, and others saying chakra). But chakra is the product of using your lifeforce (which could just be stamina, but could also relate to experience, in the sense of the fact its contained within). Whether or not that is relevant is not relevant. What is relevant is that the chakra reserve situation shouldn't be added to the page, IMO, as it is redundant and unnecessary since it is secondary.

It also is true that blocking off chakra can cause issues (a la Jyuuken), but I am not certain as to exactly what happens that causes the issues (Kish didn't explain it, as to why (even though blocking the heart only stops it from making chakra, so why would it hurt it as well -- since it shouldn't, from other implied dialogue; though it may also simply be due to the force used during Jyuuken, which makes sense)), and it's off-topic. Regarding the Uchiha, I may be remembering wrong, but I believe Itachi, when learning that Kakashi could use Sharingan (During Kisame and Itachi's visit to the village), explained that the real feat or KKG for the Uchiha (or rather, the second part) was that their Sharingan used little chakra, or that their bodies could handle it (implying a lot of lifeforce, essentially), which may help explain some of the issues seen in the section here. --98.101.165.89 (talk) 12:08, March 5, 2013 (UTC)