Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34752936-20180221075521/@comment-6769189-20180308113206

@Nashi: idk whybyou are coming at me aboit Sasuke. Im not the one that brought it up, either way its relevent to the discussion because Sasuke and Naruto were supposedly about equal at that point in time.

Again, lifring strength is not equal to striking force. One ability to lift heavy things does not directly translate to how hard a person hits. Compare someone lifting you up to someone uppercutting you. Gai can also punch so fast and so hard that he lights air on fire and makes air explode. Frog Kumite's best feat is pushing out some overgrown peircings.

The 3rd reacted to the Rasenshuriken but Naruto clearly wasnt using KCM's higher speeds because when he did, he was instantly in the Raikages face and landing a blow.

Sure the Raikage are generally fast but clearly the 3rd isnt particularly fast considering Dodai, who has no kind of speed amp and isnt considered incredibly fast could weave hand signs, cast a jutsu, pull Naruto out of said jutsu and hide him without the 3rd noticing. Btw where was it mentioned that all the Raikage were among the fastest ninja? As far as i remember that title was given to the 4th while the 3rd took the praise for durability and endurance.

In chapter 568 Saiken slumps/falls over after Guy uses Asa Kujaku.

Pire speculation on your part as to whether or not Guy could beat 30% Kisame with 5th Gate

Gai was holding back aGainst Kisame because he was trying to capture him for interrogation. The fact that Kisame used a jutsu he believed would absorb Hirudora got blown straight through says and didmt fatally injute him is proof enough that Guy never intended to kill him. Also in chaptler 508 we see how small turtle island is comparee to Hirudoras explosion. Hirudora blowing up Madara who was protected by humanoid Susanoo is a clear indication that he didnt launch a full power Hirudora at kisame.

Amd for the final time. He did blow up Madara, because Madara wouldnt be just sitting back and chilling while wanting to capture the remaining Bijuu before the juubi woke up and none of the characters present would ignore him knowing he wanted to capture the remaining Bijuu ASAP. No one mentioned Hirudora failing. Actually Gyuki twice mentioned his surprise at Gai's Hirudora succeeding. Gyuki also watch the dust settle afterwords and didnt mention any Madara. Even when Gyuki and Narutos clone left to deal with the Juubi they said they would leave Obito to Naruto and Kakashi. Again no mention of Madara. Because he wasnt present. Because Gai blew him up. A Gai, who was about to pass out btw.