Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150530210611/@comment-5273810-20150531183401

Riptide240 wrote: Obito is the very definition of greater than the 9 tails even at that young age. As you noted he controlled the 9 tails with genjutsu. To be able to control something completely is the very definition of greater as he completely dominated the 9 tails with Genjutsu. If you're going to discount this then you might as well discount Itachi entirely as his power is primarily from Genjutsu. He might not be equivalent in power in every area with the 9 tails(such as scale of destructive power in Ninjutsu) but to completely control something as I just noted is the very definition of superior.

So you honestly think if Obito fought Kurama one on one without Genjustu, he would win? No, because genjustu is different from being stronger. Itachi was proficient in genjutsu because he was a pacifist, and didnt have much chakra. So once again, Obito isn't stronger than the Nine Tails. Also, Minato was Obitos master, Obito knows a lot about him and still lost. Kamui is better than FTG, but Minato is smarter and more experienced,as well as stronger. Minato took on the Nine Tails himself and won, kinda Genjutsu is just as valid a form of combat as Ninjutsu to discount someone as weaker than somebody else because that is there form of combat is just as stupid as discounting Might Guy because he only does Taijutsu which as shown earlier in the show is pretty dumb as he ended up dueling Madara the 10 tails Jinchuiki.

Here is a concept I'd like to propose to you and hopefully I will say it well enough for you to understand. Being superior in one way does not equal superior period. Virtually every shinobi in the universe is better than Rock Lee in Ninjutsu but yet look at how powerful he is, able to get to I think its 7 gates now. If we judged off Ninjutsu alone he would lose and not even be a Genin.

If we judged off Ninjutsu alone and discounted Genjutsu Itachi would beat virtually no one due to his lack of chakra. As I noted we can't discount a certain area when looking at who would win, we look at it all. Simple fact is Obito's fighting style and skillset lend him to win in a certain way. He takes no damage from his opponent with Kamui phasing through their attacks. Warps them into his dimension and wins or when that is not a option he uses Genjutsu to manipulate them into doing his bidding. Both are valid ways to show superiority and if you win and dominate your opponent it doesn't matter which approach you take each are equally valid and prove you are the stronger out of the 2. Obito is stronger than the 9 tails. If you won't agree with my reasoning then it will just be a back and forth so I'd rather not talk about it and agree to disagree on this.

Here are the facts, in Ninjutsu alone with just his one MS he is superior in overall power than the 4th Hokage we agree this much from what I gather(with your Kamui comment). With Obito getting cocky knowing he should win(as again he noted to Minato) and Minato having superior intelligence and experience the 4th Hokage wins. Your point on Minato being the master even further cements my point. By all accounts, Obito should win he knows everything about his sensei and his fighting style why worry about losing it this should be easy! Well if you go into something with that type of attitude you are bound to lose which is exactly what he did. Lose.

There I agreed on all your points, if you read it you should see that. Despite this, you can't accept the fact that being stronger does not mean you'll win. Sometimes things get in the way or you get careless(as again Obito did). Again, I will say this Obito is stronger than Minato as Obito knew and Minato knew.