Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26135923-20150707130017/@comment-734582-20150712130131

Chaosattractor wrote: History goes back way further than that. The fact that we don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. (And the Battle of the End was way more recent than that. The village is only sixty or so years old). Further than what? the hundred or so years since Konoha? the thousand years since Hagoromo? the completely unspecified time since? I keep recalling that the Battle at the Valley of the End was 80 years ago and i'm looking at the wiki and stuff and i just can't find that reference. It annoys the hell out of me. However, going by Hiruzen (who was around 70 when he died) and lived to see both the First and Second hokage, it's clear that the village is older than those sixty years. It seems Tobirama was only Hokage for a few years, and Hashirama seems to have been hokage for maybe a decade or two. It's guesswork but it's not something entirely pulled from nowhere. 80 years since the Battle seems not that strange in this context, suggesting Madara became between 100 and 120 before giving his name to Obito. Assuming the natural lifespan of a shinobi is around 70, he may have had the Rinnegan for about 20-40 years (or a few years more depending on how old Nagato is and when he received them). That also means it would've been around 30-40 years since the Battle that he awoke said Dojutsu. (these numbers mean their fight would've been at the age of 30-40. Teens when they were friends, Twenty-ish when they were leaders and founding the village at maybe 30. Numbers vary heavily based upon even simple assumptions like how old they are so it's hardly an exact science.

It also implies the reason no Transmigrant ever awoke the Rinnegan before is because even if the ~16 progenitors acquired the combined power (though i remember that Madara was the first to do it) an average lifespan of 30 would not be enough to awaken the Rinnegan. Even with excesses to say, 50 (every kid of 10 that dies technically allows a guy to become 50, statistically speaking) it would be years short of acquiring the power. Even so, it's never made clear if Madara is the rule or the exception, and it's just as unclear whether the power levels of the Transmigrants have anything to do with it. Furthermore, it's not even clear if you *need* to be Transmigrant or whether it's just easier considering the Sage's power is essentially already transferred via the various Kekkei Genkai.

And there is still no proof, in the manga or otherwise, that transmigrants can pass transmigrant chakra to their children. There's no proof to the contrary either. Which bugs me (I'd really like the answer) but it's clear that chakra -to an unknown degree- is inherited. Naruto already possessed the whiskers before being Jinchuriki, yet it's a sign of being jinchuriki of Kurama. Furthermore, the Sage's kids had part of his power and their kid's kids had part of their power, so it's clear that the power of a Transmigrant is indeed something you can inherit. Yet Hashirama makes it clear that just because you have a Kekkei Genkai, you don't automatically give it to all your kids.

But there's no canon evidence that a single sperm cell somehow carries enough of bijuu chakra to make a jinchuuriki's child a pseudo-jinchuuriki I agree with this. A Biju's chakra and possible traits can be mixed in, possibly going as far as changing the Jinchuriki's and possibly their kid's genetic makeup. Kids may inherit Biju traits (Whiskers for Kurama's Jinchurki is confirmed) but a Biju is more complex than just being a heap of chakra and transferring some chakra doesn't make someone jinchurki. So in short: Jinchuriki can pass on Biju Chakra, but not their "Essence" which is what you need to be Jinchuriki.

2) You should probably note that Hashirama's cells only gave Ashura's chakra to Indra's transmigrant. Obito got nothing. Madara wondered if Obito would awaken powers too. Obito is around 30 during Part II so he's too young to reach the age where Madara achieved the Rinnegan. Even so, Madara himself noted that nothing happened until he was near death, indicating he didn't even get "basic" Six paths powers. The only case we have of successful transmigrant power stealing is Madara, as Sasuke was granted Hagoromo's power rather than taking it for himself like Madara. Madara also had no kids (that we know of) that we can gather information from. Furthermore, the Clans did not seem to mix until the Village came along and even then the mixing seems to be almost non-existent so theres no real comparison to what happens to a senju-uchiha kid.

do you honestly believe that someone who infused Madara's cells would get Indra's chakra and unlock the Sharingan? The Sharingan, unlike the Byakugan, isn't awakened from birth. So you would need to have an experience that would give an uchiha the Sharingan too. But it might be possible. It's stated that the brain releases this chakra though so just slapping on some Uchiha cells may do nothing. It's not even clear how Hashirama's cells grant a person control over Wood Release, but judging from Obito it seems that his and your own cells need to thoroughly mix to achieve such an effect. Judging from Danzo's Wood Release and Kakashi's Sharingan however, it's clear that these two uber-powerful kekkei genkai are not easily mastered and may as well kill you, which is why the Senju Camp may never have tried to get that power -or they simply frowned upon the Curse of Hatred. Unlike Hackirama cells, acquiring Uchiha cells has never been tried, but maybe Orochimarus been trying (and from the looks of it, failing hard).

On the other hand, a child would get half its mother's and half its father's genes, and potentially even less phenotypical expression due to the clashing dominant/recessive alleles. True, but Half Naruto's Hagoromo power and half Hinata's Hamura power is pretty much what Kaguya's power is. I've never claimed that the kid would be a second coming of Kaguya, but one only needs to look a the parents to see that the child has immense potential.

You can't regenerate bijuu chakra without a source, or jinchuuriki would simply regenerate the bijuu's chakra Gaara's power implies that being a Jinchuriki has a permanent effect even if the beast is extracted (they just don't survive the process of extraction). In fact, since he can pull out Shukaku's chakra, it's already proven it has a permanent effect. Furthermore, Kurama and Naruto's chakra have been merging (as explained by Jiraiya) so it's not strange that Naruto could be permanently altered just by being a Jinchuriki.

Obviously Yahiko's body and genes aren't Nagato's, even though the chakra passing through them is Nagato's. Not weird considering the jutsu involved Nagato pumping his chakra into them.

The long and short of it is, expecting transmigrant chakra to be passed down to a child assumes that transmigrant chakra is inherent to a transmigrant's genes the concept of Kekkei Genkai, as well as Transmigration already proved this. The only real question is to what degree Transmigration involves that of a soul, and in fact to what a degree a soul is even a thing. Don't forget that chakra involves both Physical and Mental energy AKA involves both the body and mind. So both the Mind as well as the Body seem to maintain the power of their Jutsu.

'''Remember that Madara could use Rinnegan as an Edo Tensei yet the Rinnegan was also wielded by Obito at the same time. Both his Spirit (edo tensei) as his Body (the physical eye) maintained their respective Kekkei Genkai.'''

Ergo, Transmigrant powers *can* be transferred via the genes, yet there is no *guarantee* they do.