Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31171723-20170129212432/@comment-25122992-20170205173136

Mcpowa wrote: Ok done

Naruto shit stomps. He couldn't even handle Naruto w/ Jiton Rasengan and a Gudo Stick and Sasuke with his sword, Ameno, and Chidori. No way he's taking on Naruto w/ his full arsenal, such as Shadow Clones. BDFRS. Multiple BDFRS. (Neither of which Madara has a counter for. He can't evade nor can he block them) Super Bijuu Rasen Shuriken would let him rip the Bijuu right out of Madara's body, and Naruto would rape him in close combat due to Kairiki Musou.

-Juubi Dama is countered by the Gudo Dama like they were in canon.

-Elemental Senjutsu attacks are countered like they were in canon.

-Gudo Dama manipulation is countered by Naruto's own, or it's countered by FRS or BD variants. And no, Naruto doesn't stomp. Madara easily tricked Naruto/Sasuke with Limbo clone, his objective was to get the left eye from Obito, so he wasn't really on the offensive back then. Shadow clones could be easily dispersed with any wide-range attack or Limbo shadows could handle them. Madara still has the Rinnegan, he is able to absorb any ninjutsu thrown at him, even senjutsu-enhanced (since he demonstrated he can easily absorb senjutsu-chakra and use it even before becoming a TTJ). He can both block and evade (with the same Limbo replacement or just with sheer speed). He surely wouldn't stay still and let the Super Biju Rasenshuriken hit him so easily, unless he'd be seriously weakened, which is too hard to achieve. Madara may be at disadvantage in close-range combat, but he still has advanced skills with it (raping a whole division even without being a TTJ or something). And any injury he should receive wouldn't be a problem at all for a guy who can regenerate literally a half of his body.

- Yep, TBBs can be countered by TBBs, but it goes for both Naruto and Madara.

- Madara can absorb any elemental attack aside from taijutsu.

- So far, Madara has shown more advanced TSB manipulation, so Naruto cannot outmatch it with his own TSBs. But Hokage Naruto wasn't even shown to have TSBs.

According to your analysis, you treat Madara as an incompenent brainless fool which can be easily tossed around like a doll, while in fact even Kishi didn't know how to get rid of him as an antagonist. He's a league above Naruto in battle expecience, intelligence and destructive power.