Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180607192958/@comment-35073957-20180829144036

CombatIQmatters wrote: Except nagato destroyed naruto and bee so easily because of lack of knowledge, and once they were caught they had no way of escaping, unlike Minato who can teleport in and out in an instant to safety. Even chibaku tensei could hypothetically be countered by FTG antics. FTG allows Minato to study new abilities with low risk, just like did to Tobi. Caught by chameleon? Minato teleports out. Caught by Shurado arms? Minato teleports out. He has better reflexes, better CQC skill, better mobility, better combat experience, better intelligence. No one ever said that Minato's speed alone wins this battle.

Merely lacking Intel on an opponent does not mean you are going to stand as little of a chance as Naruto and Bee did unless said opponent is above you by a significant amount, which Nagato clearly showed he was. The examples I gave were not to make the point that Minato would lose in combat in the same ways Naruto and Bee would against similar opponents, it was mainly to show off a measure of where Kishi puts Nagato when compared to someone like Minato. If it weren't for the stupid shit in the war arch then Minato would never even be comparable to someone like Nagato. SM Naruto was said to have already surpassed both Minato and Jiraiya, and even if that were exaggerated this was KCM Naruto which is far above SM Naruto, yet he still easily lost to edo Nagato and almost died along with Bee and Itachi. The Rinnegan is the strongest among the three Dojutsu, which includes a dojutsu capable of creating a susanoo that can blow away mountains with a single swing of a sword, and Nagato was described as the perfect host for it.

Chibaku Tensei, an ability that pulls up literal mountains from the ground, is not going to be countered by FTG. My first comment wasn't implying that you guys are arguing that all Minato needs is speed, I was (trying) to highlight how overrated you guys see FTG. Which is clear given that you literally just said FTG alone can counter Tendo, Shurado, Chikushodo and the like. Minato doesn't have better mobility or combat experience. Nagato would take on entire villages and leave nothing but rubble while preforming through weaker dead bodies yet never lost a single battle and was described as literally invincible on multiple accounts. After Nagato sacrificed himself, Black Zetsu (or Obito, can't remember) was astounded that Nagato had lost, believing it to be impossible.