Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-142748-20150410212019/@comment-142748-20150411041619

ItachiWasAHero wrote: Yeah it goes like this. Madara, right under him is Nagato, right under him is Itachi. But I always say this and it is true, this is not dbz, just because A beats B does not mean A beats C, get what I mean? Itachi may be the most dangerous adversary ever to Hashirama because of his character and fighting style. Even though this isn't DBZ, ABC logic does apply in this case. Itachi, unless he has a wildly different fighting style compared to most Uchiha, shouldn't be able to get the drop on Hashirama due to his experience fighting said Uchiha.

And Madara is basically Itachi ++, all of Itachi's genjutsu prowess, plus massive stamina and a vast array of techniques and experience. And he still couldn't beat Hashirama, and the manga even alludes Hashirama didn't even need to use Sage Mode on him till the Valley of the End.