Talk:Naruto and Sasuke 3

Some questions
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 * Is Sasuke a pseudo-jinchuuriki?
 * Kurama also said "Demonic Statues." Were there more?
 * We'll wait for color on whether Sasuke used Chidori arrows.
 * So what of Asura's chakra avatar? What do we assume now? Naruto's three-headed avatars came from natural energy. Do we assume Asura's a Sage?
 * Was Naruto using a Tailed Beast Ball or TSB? Thought TBB came from the mouth...

Questions I could answer myself, but I wanna hear your opinions on improving the relevant articles. • WindStar7125     12:05, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * No, his Susanoo is.
 * Not necessarily.
 * He did.
 * Ashura's "battle avatar" has pretty much been confirmed to be Kurama Senjutsu Shadow Clone Tailed Beast Mode whatever
 * TSB--Elve Talk Page 12:09, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * I primarily agree with Elv, but I would list Sasuke as a pseudo as the chakra is in Susanoo, but Susanoo is just an extension of him and his chakra. &#34;Let go your earthly tether.&#34; (talk) 12:30, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sort of, but it seems to be a temporary enhancement.
 * No, Kurama meant "since all that chakra isn't fusing with the Demonic Statue, it will be something different from the Ten-Tails".
 * All that lightning looks like Chidori.
 * Asura was given power from his father and has the same abilities as Naruto, so he could use Six Paths Sage Technique, Truth-Seeking Balls and was Kurama's jinchūriki.
 * Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg JOA20 12:38, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * No, Susanoo is a new Gedo Mazo.
 * No, there's no pluralism in Japanese. Likely a translation error.
 * Clearly Raiton Arrows
 * Naruto's three headed avatar didn't came from natural chakra and also looks different than Asura's.
 * When? • Seelentau 愛 議 12:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

End of the chapter, Naruto threw two Rasenshurikens. One was black, one was white (well normal but it was colored white)--TheUltimate3 (talk) 12:49, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * One was Yin, one was Yang, hurrdurr. No, the white one was a normal Rasen Shuriken, the other one was a we'll-wait-and-see-how-many-TSB-Naruto-has-left-next-chapter. :) • Seelentau 愛 議 12:52, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * I was about to say zero because he blew up the three he started with at the start of the battle, and naturally this chapter starts with 3 new ones coming out of nowhere. I hate Truth-Seeking Balls.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 12:55, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

@Seel, http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Ashura_Mode.png http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Naruto%27s_Battle_Avatar.png  still not Kurama's jinchuuriki? :P--Elve Talk Page 13:29, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Probably not. Kurama, if memory serves me correctly is a fox.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 14:02, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * No. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:12, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

@Ulti, how is Ashura's not a fox? The pattern, save the shoulders and beads is now completely identical ._. @Dark, Naruto has thrown one Wind Release: Rasenshuriken (the white) and Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken made from his Truth Seeking Ball (the black) it's not yin and yang--Elve  Talk Page 17:13, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) No...neither the tailed beasts nor their chakra is sealed within him to be qualified as a jinchuriki...his susanoo simply acts like a container for their chakras to keep them combined TEMPORARILY in one place.
 * 2) No...most likely a mistake in translation as seelentau pointed out.
 * 3) I THINK if it was chidori we would see a BACHICHICHI sound effect somewhere...it's simply a raiton created from TB chakra... or maybe I'm wrong.
 * 4) Again I THINK they're different...Asura's head is fox-like...& it had a necklace or sth...& naruto's didn't come from natural energy alone...whatever chakra makes his six paths sage tech also makes this form.
 * 5) Kinda hard to say...the possibility is equal for both of them...& also, I don't get why his normal RS was blank white at first...or is it sth else...maybe that yin & yang thing some think is the case... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 17:25, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Elve, in all seriousness... so what if the markings are the same? Naruto's is clearly a fox because Kurama is. Yes, Asura's has the same markings. So? Look at Asura's avatar carefully in its faces. It's not Kurama. Seriously. Same markings... so what? Automatically Asura's is a fox. Jeez. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 18:49, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be so adamant that Sasuke isn't a (pseudo-)jinchūriki after this chapter. Going by the latest criteria given by Sasuke himself, simply having part of a tailed beast's chakra makes you a jinchūriki, no fūinjutsu required. Of course, that would logically make Kakashi, Kinkaku, and Ginkaku Nine-Tails jinchūriki, but I guess it's not the wiki's job to make sense of things like that, just document them.--BeyondRed (talk) 19:00, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Meh... @Red, Sasuke isn't a jinchuuriki, like Kurama said, his Susanoo is holding the chakra like the Demonic Statue. Unless you think the statue is a jinchuuriki... Do you? Because if you don't, then Sasuke isn't either. The Susanoo is holding the chakra in just like the Gedo Mazo. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 19:03, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * So we'll only consider him a jinchuriki if he cancels Susanoo and takes the chakra into his own body, right? Seems like a good solution, given what we have to work with.--BeyondRed (talk) 19:22, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's reasonable. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 19:34, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Susanoo is a chakra exoskeleton/an avatar. Since the Tailed Beasts aren't inside of his body, but outside, he isn't a jinchuuriki--Elve Talk Page 19:55, October 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sasuke's Susanoo is the new Gedo Mazo. That makes perfect sense, no joke, no sarcasm.
 * No pluralism? Alright then, thanks Tau.
 * That manipulation of lightning chakra to me looked like natural lightning, but whatever.
 * Thank GOD we haven't added assumptions to Asura's article despite Naruto's new Mode. Yeesh, there have been so many to his article sometimes.
 * Yeah, that probably was a Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken. Meaning it was both a TSB and a Tailed Beast Ball, since Naruto transforms a TSB to a TB Ball and adds wind chakra to it to create the technique. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 19:59, October 17, 2014 (UTC)