Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20160221124823/@comment-27660682-20160304000720

ShishiHeiwa wrote: Lol people bringing up the bs about Itachi stating what he did about Jiraiya during part 1 about the whole not winning against him? Let I remind you guys that Itachi had fought prior to that with Mangekyo usage. People like to spam Itachi's low reserves when its convenient but when its not, they seem to neglect it, odd? First Itachi was drained, second Itachi was actually working for Konohagakure, so killing Jiraiya, a man who could be the next in line for Hokage at the time and was first choice, would not have benefitted the village he so loved, so spitting some bs to Kisame, a blood lustful guy, might not seem far fetch and since people can assume Jiraiya knows about Itachi cause of his study's on the Akatsuki and the Bingo Book, we can assume Itachi did not want to harm Konohagakure and lastly Itachi was suffering from an illness. So that point is bs to even bring up.

@Ninja of War

Again, please provide a reference to where Sasuke's Amaterasu is faster then Itachi's prior to getting EMS.

For those who don't understand what we are debating about it's like this. I do not believe the Giant Toads Jiraiya summons, can dodge Itachi's Amaterasu using speed, Ninja of War does. According to him, they can. I find this impossible since the flames of Amaterasu are instant and with the Sharingans fast tracking ability, I do not think with their huge sizes that they have any chance to escape its visual prowess thus cannot dodge his Amaterasu. I state this because Haku who moves at reflection based speed, couldn't even escape the visual of a just awakened Sharingan Genin level Sasuke, but yet has the speed to keep up with Gai and Lee simultaneously. Then the whole argument over Sasukes Amaterasu and Itachi's is because Ninja says my points are baseless since I stated something from the Raikage vs Sasuke fight where he only has Mangekyo and said Itachi's flames were just as fast as his at the time. Exactly my point, when we take the context of itachi being a spy into account itachi saying what he said about jiraiya loses credibility when he has to keep kisame from being suspicious. And good point about the stamina, I forgot about that myself. Itachi used a tsyukyomi against kakashi which ate 30 percent of his chakra and he also split his stamina in half using a shadow clone. He was already a bit low on stamina so taking on jiraiya wold be foolish.

Haku does not move at reflection based speed, his speed decrease s as he keeps on the jutsu. And yea those frogs arent dodging amaterasu. They are big targets, only v2 raikage was able to to evade sharingan tracking abilities. And that's not considering the fact itachi can stream amaterasu.