Talk:Rinnegan

Shinju, Kaguya, and Madara
Is their eye confirmed to be a Rinnengan? It is only called a Sharingan in Kaguya's case, and it hasn't shown any Rinnengan ability. It is similar to Sasuke's Rinnengan, but they are not the same eye apparently. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 01:11, July 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * I've tried to argue this before, because you're absolutely right, but its failed. No point in fighting what they simply won't accept. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg 01:19, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, wait. Sasuke says that the Rinnengan genjutsu (Mugen Tsukuyomi) most likely can be dispelled by another Rinnengan. So, it seems to be a Rinnengan & a Sharingan at the same time. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 01:29, July 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * You're a little late on that, but you're right. Sasuke called his eye Rinnegan, he called the MT a genjutsu cast by a Rinnegan, Madara was the caster and had the same eye as Kaguya = Kaguya's eye is a Rinnegan and, according to Hagoromo, has the power of the Sharingan. • Seelentau 愛 議 08:59, July 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * For some reason, people assume that just because x character say one thing, but y character another, only either must be true rather than both, like Mr. Foxie here. Because of that, it turns into a pointless game of semantics. I take Sasuke and Black Zetsu's words over Hagoromo. For example in latest chapter he changed Ten-Tails into Nine-Tails in a middle of sentence. So it wouldn't surprise me if "power of Sharingan" referred to the red Rinnegan in his vocabulary--Elveonora (talk) 15:55, July 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah let's....not have this start up again and end this here. Patsoumas1995's question was answered.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 16:09, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

Should we create a separate page for the Rinnegan with tomoe?KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 23:48, September 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization
 * No. Just like we don't have separate pages for the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan. -- WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 00:37, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

Confirmed Sasuke Rinnegan Is Purple
It appears the official color cover has shown that sasuke's Rinnegan is in fact purple Hagoromo Otsutsuki' 12:03, July 25, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki
 * Source? • Seelentau 愛 議 12:13, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

I just said Color Cover because color kage made the eye red for the image that is listed for sasuke rinnegan. Hagoromo Otsutsuki' 12:20, July 25, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki
 * He's asking if you have proof, like an image or something.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:24, July 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Because if it's the same thing we saw three days ago, then you really dropped the ball.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:24, July 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * What? Color Kage didn't color the image in the article. Also, I'm asking for the color cover you're talking about. • Seelentau 愛 議 12:51, July 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * if this http://books.shueisha.co.jp/CGI/search/syousai_put.cgi?isbn_cd=978-4-08-880151-3 source is valid then no volume release until 4th August and they don`t have a cover. Rage gtx (talk) 13:14, July 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep, I already checked that site. We usually get the cover earlier than the volume, so it should show up in the next few days. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:40, July 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * I bet the OP is talking about the WSJ cover rather than volume cover--Elveonora (talk) 15:57, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

I was actually saying that before Color Kage a naruto manga coloring site made it red without any further truth the new cover that came out showed Sasuke Rinnegan is intact purple and not red because it make since its not like Kaguya stated "The shinju eye?" Or anything since madara did say "Rinnegan". Hagoromo Otsutsuki' 14:07, July 30, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki

So what about this weeks chapter? Shouldn't his Rinnegan color be changed to purple not red? Source: "snip"Sanbi221 (talk) 17:45, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's purple on the cover. Can't see your problem. • Seelentau 愛 議 17:47, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Edo Tensei Rinnegan is grey.
Can we add an inauthentic rinnegan form? In the anime and manga is appears grey rather than purple and because it has different limitations that the others do not I think it warrants it's own form. Oddjobhat (talk) 10:59, July 30, 2014 (UTC)oddjobhat
 * It isn't grey, it's just darkened. Like the eyes of every revived person the scalarae is darkened, but since the Rinnegan takes up the whole eye, it gives the illusion of a different colour. For example, on episode 299 when Nagato is pierced with the Totsuka blade his eyes lighten before he's inevitably sealed. It's worth mentioning in trivia I guess, but it isn't actually another form. --Atrix471 (talk) 11:24, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

Wrong colour
The colouring of WSJ covers are not done by the author, Sasuke's Rinnegan is incorrect. It's red, as per the colouring done by MK in the special colouring for 676. The colouring on the cover is distinctly not Kishimoto's, as he uses softer tones as opposed to those sharp, slightly saturated ones.
 * It's purple on the volume too--Elveonora (talk) 22:13, August 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * We already had this discussion, it was decided that the WSJ covers were right. Also, please sign your posts. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 22:14, August 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that Rasengan is yellow on the volume covers and in all colored appearances in the manga, while it is blue on the WSJ covers, so don't pretend like anyone knows what the official colors of anything is. Kishi doesn't even seem to know himself. We won't know what color they're sticking with until we see the anime. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 22:59, August 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * The mangaka colors the cover, as I already said. • Seelentau 愛 議 08:12, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Kishi screwed with blue Rasengan. I think he did that because it's more commonly known as blue because of the games and anime, so he just went with that. Unless Minato's chakra made it blue or something. For the Rinnegan, definitely purple even if you ignore the WSJ cover. On the volume if you look closely, purple can be seen where Sasuke's eye is obscured.--Elveonora (talk) 13:08, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * To add to that, I somewhere read that the yellow colour of Naruto's chakra was an example by Jiraiya. He could've said black or purple or whatever, but chose yellow. This means that chakra isn't actually yellow, it was just used to explain the mechanis of Naruto's chakra... I could be wrong, though. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:29, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Nah, it was Naruto telling Jiraiya that his chakra is yellow. Also Ashura's chakra is yellow.--Elveonora (talk) 13:48, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. Alright, then it was Naruto who used colours as a metaphor. That doesn't mean that chakra actually is yellow. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:14, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * But it is http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140407050103/naruto/images/9/9a/Chapter671.png http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120921194600/naruto/images/1/17/Kyubi_Chakra_Mode.png --Elveonora (talk) 14:28, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * But none of those are normal chakras. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:46, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, but we are discussing Naruto's I thought :P--Elveonora (talk) 14:50, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * The colour of chakra displayed on this diagram is definitely yellow, at least http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090507021139/naruto/images/2/28/Chakra_Moulding_Diagram_%28Normal%29.svg. --Atrix471 (talk) 14:54, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Every person and non-person alike has individually colored chakra. But we were talking about Naruto, whose is yellow. That's why Foxie question if the WSJ cover was done by Kishi, since on WSJ covers Rasengan is colored blue. But Kishi himself colored Rasengan blue on one of the volume covers with Minato, so shrugs--Elveonora (talk) 14:57, August 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes but on volume 52's cover, it is yellow. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 18:06, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Elve, it was a metaphor. His chakra is not really yellow. • Seelentau 愛 議 18:28, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't take this as an insult, but are you colorblind perchance?--Elveonora (talk) 19:34, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * No, I know that his chakra was depicted as yellow. But it was also depicted as blue. So it doesn't have a set color, saying that it's yellow because of Naruto's metaphor is wrong. That's what I want to say. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:04, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Let's just agree to disagree that chakra is screwy and they can't decide the colour of it to save their lives, m'kay? Besides, I seem to recall this was a Rinnegan discussion... --Atrix471 (talk) 20:07, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

It's been depicted yellow in all cases but the one blue Rasengan (excluding WSJ covers) and since it's yellow in 95% of cases, him stating it to be so can't be taken as metaphor. http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130610064914/naruto/images/2/2e/Volume_52_Cover.png this is the only blue one http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131127150222/naruto/images/3/3b/Volume_67.png His chakra modes are yellow, Ashura's chakra is yellow, which he has, so as you can see, yellow is correct because of prevalence. And right, Rinnegan topic :P--Elveonora (talk) 20:20, August 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * What I don't get is where it is every implied what Naruto reference was a metaphor. Reading the chapter and watching the episode, he never says anything like "Let's say my chakra was yellow", he literally says his chakra is yellow. His Rasengan has consistently been colored yellow in color pages depicting it, and Kishi modeled Naruto off of Goku, a Super Saiyan, whose energy is... wait for it... yellow. But none of that matters. My point in saying that is, saying Sasuke's Rinnegan is purple because of two instances of it being colored so is a crock of bullshit, because it was also colored red twice, just like the Rasengan is colored blue on one volume cover and on most WSJ covers, while being colored yellow in most volume covers and in all color pages. The point of even bringing it up was to highlight the fact that no one here, no not even Seel, knows the official color. I highly doubt even Kishi knows, given how inconsistent he's been with it. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 06:49, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * This is entirely different. Sasuke's eye has been coloured red in twice in one place, the digital coloured comics. We now that that they are done by a separate team, and we know they have a history of getting things wrong when there isn't an existing colouring from another official source. The other two sources show it as purple and are both from Kishimoto's team. The volume cover gives us a glimpse, while the WSJ cover gives us a clear view, and is confirmed to be done by Kishomoto himself. To my knowledge those are the only two coloured instances to come from Kishi's team and both show it as purple.--Soul reaper (talk) 08:12, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * In the manga, Naruto says that if he had to put it in colors, his normal chakra would be yellow and his fox chakra red. That's a metaphor.
 * Also, Kishi has not been inconsistent with the Rinnegan's color. In both instances, it's depicted as purple. The red color comes from an outside source, even considering this source/color to be as official as Kishimoto's own coloring is plain stupid. We should only use those colorations if there is no other coloration available. But now there is, so case closed. • Seelentau 愛 議 08:16, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Number of Tomoe
I realize this was a topic that was talked about repeatedly, and some had decided to wait until Volume 70 was released, but now that it has been released, it has not altered the number of tomoe that we saw in the regular release. What's the general consensus on Sasuke's Rinnegan now, and the fact that Madara's third eye went from having 9 tomoe to 6 tomoe after Infinite Tsukuyomi was cast? D.Phoenix (talk) 15:51, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sasuke's Rinnegan always had six tomoe except in the first panel it was shown. Madara's forehead Rinnegan is just like Kaguya's – with nine tomoe.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg JOA20 15:59, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * And he says there's still 9 in the first panel--Elveonora (talk) 16:40, August 15, 2014 (UTC)


 * Technically, not 9, but there are tomoe in the third circle in that close up panel of Sasuke's left eye in chapter 673 in the Volume release. @ JOA20: In chapter 678, after he comes back down to the ground, Madara's forehead Rinnegan has 6 tomoe, not 9. This is unchanged in the Volume release. I can even upload the images to a separate image-sharing site if you need the proof. D.Phoenix (talk) 17:49, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Kaguya's also had 6 at one point. It was a drawing mistake, Madara and Kaguya's forehead Rinnegan are red with 9 tomoe, Sasuke's Rinnegan is purple with 6. WindStar7125  (Talk) (Contributions) 17:56, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

The focus shots are the most important ones. Every time Sasuke's Rinnegan was focused on it has six tomoe, and the same goes for the forehead Rinnegan with its nine... though I will admit Kishi was very consistent with his mistake on Madara's forehead Rinnegan after casting the Infinite Tsukuyomi. --Atrix471 (talk) 18:07, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Zetsu
Why Zetsu is a listed as a Rinnegan wielder? Only Black Zetsu wielded the Rinnegan at a certain time, while a White Zetsu clone brought the other Rinnegan to Madara. Listing BZ is enough.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 19:36, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Probably because, despite us having a separate page for it, Black Zetsu still has its own tab on the Zetsu page. Maybe it's because a White Zetsu delivered the Rinnegan to Madara or something... --Atrix471 (talk) 20:04, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Ten-Tails' Rinnegan svg
So I know that the tomoe thing is a little contraversial because the art on Ten-Tails/Kaguya's eye has been so inconsistent, but for the longest time Ten-Tails' eye was very consistently shown to contain six. The only two exceptions were its original silhouette debut (which doesn't even match any of its real forms) and that one panel in Hagoromo's flashback, which could easily be an error. So would it be worth adding a "Ten-Tails' Rinnegan" svg with six tomoe in the forms section or no? Just figured I'd ask peoples' opinions.--BeyondRed (talk) 00:53, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Has 9 when fully restored though--Elve Talk Page 11:37, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah the 10 tails wasn't complete when it was shown lately, it was still missing some power. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 17:34, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

Activity
Shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere that the Rinnegan has never been deactivated since it is awakened (Nagato, All the Six Paths he used, Madara all never "turned it off" upon awakening it.) IS it permanently active? Just think it's noteworthy as both the Sharingan and Byakugan have been deactivated when not in use.  Banan 14  kab  09:54, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Madara switched from his Rinnegan back to his Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan to put A under a gengutsu during his fight against the Kage. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 10:00, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Nagato's usage doesn't count, because his Rinnegan came from a transplant and weren't natural and we all know that transplanted eyes can never be deactivated (hint: Kakashi). --Sajuuk Talk Page 10:51, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Transplanted dojutsu cant be deactivated except for the Byakugan which can be activated and deactivated. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 10:59, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke received his Rinnegan
Awakening Rinnegan after receiving half of his power and receiving Rinnegan itself is different. According to databook he received it directly from the Sage. Amenotejikara: A ninjutsu using the Rinnegan received from the Sage of Six Paths. I think it would be a good idea to mention that it looks similiar to Rinne Sharingan.

Should we add that newly awakened Rinnegans can't utilize the Rinnegans full power?
Since it was mentioned in just about every translation that Sasuke's Rinnegan can't utilise the ability too attack and absorb at the same because it's new I feel that should be noted somewhere or in the Preta path article.--Thdyingbreed (talk) 22:45, November 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's noted in Sasuke's article.D.Phoenix (talk) 23:45, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

A rinnegan is a tool, and just like any ninja tool, it's only as powerful as it's wielder. Something along those lines was stated by Zetsu canonically within the manga. While he is a beginner in it's use, Sasuke was able to make more chibaku tensei's than I can count on my fingers. Yes, he admitted to claiming he wasn't able to use if perfectly. That's to be expected. But honestly, is that necessary to mention?

Here's an example with the Byakugan. Hinata's is not nearly as powerful as Neji's. That comes through practice and training. Should we state on Fugaku's page that his sharingan wasn't nearly as powerful as Itachi's because he didn't have the mangekyo? I don't see the point in saying Sasuke wasn't able to awaken the rinnegan's full power. He only has one to begin with, so it throws away the double rinnegan theory proposed by Madara. DazzlingEmerald (talk) 23:59, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

The Rinnegan can be deactivated?
Before Nagato awakens Rinnegan he is shown with normal eyes. Does this mean Madara had to have some way to deactivate it? When Nagato is dead the Rinnegan is seen still active. If so, perhaps the article should acknowledge this. Darth Itachi (talk) 06:05, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

His normal eyes were never shown I believe, they would have been black like Sasuke and Madara's since he had Madara's eyes anyways if they were shown. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 06:19, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Rinnegan and five natures
Considering that all users of the Rinnegan, according to the 4th databook, can use the five basic nature transformations, is it plausible to state that the Rinnegan grants the five elements rather than gives the potential to master them (yes, I'm looking at you especially Sasuke... he having the five elements was a bit of a surprise...)?

Edit: Apologies for the cumbersome links... You can remove them if they're not allowed...

~ • WS7125 [Mod]  00:08, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Bump ~ • WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 11:51, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think same, but some folks say that Sasuke learned them prior gaining Rinnegan(with no evidence as always). Apparently they want to draw the line between "learning genius" Sasuke and "dirty cheater" Naruto who got natures from Biju and Rikudou-sennin. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 12:12, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Already stop with the snarky smirk after every comment please, it makes your point hard to be taken seriously--Elve Talk Page 12:59, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. What's your opinion, Elveonora? ~ • WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 13:23, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Bump. Sorry, not letting this go. ~ • WS7125 [Mod]  20:34, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't agree. By this logic, Orochimaru and Hiruzen have Rinnegan too--Elve Talk Page 20:49, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you explain your reasoning Elvenora? -- Questionaredude (talk) 21:00, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * I say Windy's right. We assumed that Rinnegan didn't give natures right away, but this databook seems to think otherwise.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg JOA20 21:03, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Elveonora, you're misinterpreting my logic. I'm not saying having five elements grants the Rinnegan, I'm saying having the Rinnegan grants the five elements. They're not the same.

~ • WS7125 [Mod]  21:06, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Kankuro has 4 chakra natures, so its not unbelievable that these stronger characters would have achieved 5 chakra natures by adulthood. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 21:20, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * ...Okay. I'm gonna restate: All I'm saying is that due to the links to the 4th databook (and also Sasuke's surprise ability to all of a sudden use the five elements), the Rinnegan grants the five elements rather than gives the potential to use said natures.
 * Edit: The manga even states in chapter 375 page 11 that having the Rinnegan allows the user to possess the five natures (correct me, please if this is a bad translation), and the 4th databook seems to be consistent with that.
 * 2nd Edit: Looking at these archives, user Skitts was the one that claimed many times that the Rinnegan gives the potential to master the five elements, refusing to believe it granted them when the manga said so and the 4th databook shows so (again, correct me if I'm wrong).
 * ~ • WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 21:42, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

In agreement with Windstar. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 22:41, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Too much evidence in windstars favor, Sasuke was only known for Fire and Lightning before he had Rinnegan. The proof does not lie, the Rinnegan grants all natures to its wielder, except possibly YinYang release.. I don't remember why though. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 05:47, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Definitely yin-yang. According to the databook, the rinnegan's techniques are yin-yang release. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 06:01, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * According to FF-Suzaku, from what he translated, gaining Hagoromo's power grants Yin-Yang Release (which is why Naruto and Sasuke both have it in their infoboxes). Back on topic, hopefully more will see this and agree. The manga and databook both are consistent with the fact that gaining the Rinnegan grants the five elements. ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 06:06, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't know, ask Seel or someone. But why do you find is surprising that Sasuke could use all 5 elemental natures? He is a genius Uchiha and was trained by Kakashi and Orochimaru who were trained by Minato and Hiruzen respectively.--Elve Talk Page 15:19, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well... you're correct, it is Sasuke... but still, before the databook, he had fire and lightning, now has all five due to the databook. That's why I'm suspecting it's the Rinnegan that granted him access to those five elements. The manga even stated it (chap. 375, p 11) that the Rinnegan allows one to possess the five natures, rather than have the potential to. But I'll take your advice and ask a translator.
 * ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 22:11, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

As someone noted above, the book gives Kankuro 4 natures even though all he has ever done on screen was puppetry--Elve Talk Page 15:41, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * ...And? The manga stated that the Rinnegan grants the user the ability to possess the five elements and that the 4th databook followed suit. All I'm asking is to replace "gives the potential to master" with "grants the ability to use" the five basic nature transformations, that's all. ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 20:34, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Translation please?--Elve Talk Page 20:54, November 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * So it was a bad translation? ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 21:19, November 19, 2014 (UTC)