Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-34194151-20181124211620

@Ninja of War

That's exactly my point. Kurenai can track itachi's running speed otherwise she wouldn't have been able to react to his kunai swing. Since we know she can see his running speed, why on earth wouldn't she say something (or asuma for that matter) if they see itachi running up on kakashi from behind? That only leaves two possibilities. the clone spawned directly behind kakashi like I've been saying, and itachi substituted with it afterward. or itachi has a teleporation technique. I'm going with the former.

@Loneninja 1)Lol what does this prove exactly? I said from the beginning itachi used substiution to swap places with his clone, just not in the manner you are claiming. He spawned the clone behind kakashi first. and when has kakashi ever pulled off anything like itachi did?

2) Lol no I accept your concession. Orochimaru and sasuke are two distinct enemies, two different opponents, and itachi had two different mindsets for each of them. He was trying to kill orochimaru, while he was holding back against sasuke. How is this hard to understand? And your point about Itachi using totsuka blade because he was on the verge of death is hilarious, he obviously used it because orocihimaru cannot be killed conventionally. that funny enough, he deactivated the totsuka blade afterward and didn't use it on sasuke. That is enough proof he wasn't going for the kill on sasuke at any point in that fight. Lol no. there is a big difference between claiming plot the way you are doing vs the way I'm doing it. Plot and deus ex machina are two different things. Like I said, there is absolutely no reason why 3 intelligent shinobi would be stupid enough not to seal an edo tensei and instead have a casual conversation.

ROFL. You still don't get it. Itachi didn't want to kill the konoha jounin so no totsuka blade opener Itachi didn't want to kill deidara, but rather recruit him into akatsuki, so no totsuka blade opener. Itachi didn't want to kill jiraiya, so no totsuka blade opener Itachi didn't want to kill sasuke, so no totsuka blade opener Itachi didn't want to kill Kabuto, so no totsuka blade opener Itachi didn't want to kill orochimaru the first time they fought, so no totsuka blade opener '''Did Itachi want to kill orochimaru the second time around? Yes, so Totsuka blade opener one shots and seals orochimaru, period.''' Itachi was also swinging the blade around to decapitate the snakes, so you're also debunked there. Your thing that itachi only uses it if he has a "100 percent chance" is something you also cooked up, because Nagato was standing far enough from the smokescreen to activate preta path in time, which theoretically could absorb the blade. Itachi still went for the blade despite that and he got the job done.

Your definition of an opening move is also skewed, because the smarter characters always try to use a feint or two first before they land their finishing move. In other cases, if the finishing move is fast enough a feint isn't necessary. Itachi didn't use any feints against orochimaru, he simply blitzed with ease. Itachi took advantage of the smokescreen against Nagato because he would be stupid not to. And Nagato couldn't mentally react, that alone proves the blade speed. That same nagato can react to rasenshurikens, kcm naruto chakra arms, killer bee, but not the blade when he sees it right in front of him.

Once itachi fought nagato for real, nagato got blitzed. Literally. That fight was: chibaku tensei, itachi and co counter chibaku tensei, itachi uses totsuka blade. That fight alone debunks you.

3)And lol, no that isn't how anything works. A lack of clear/scaleable speed feats means there isn't enough information. You don't know if kakashi is faster or slower than the bones so your point is invalid. I proved that kakashi is faster than rock lee, so yes I accept your concession. Itachi is faster than kakashi, kakashi is faster than rock lee. So rock lee is irrelevant. The bones don't have a speed feat to say Itachi can't dodge it.