Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34656247-20181008062436/@comment-34194151-20181011171419

@LegionZero

Black zetsu clearly stated kirin was unevadeable. natural lightning is faster than the raiton techniques. Kid naruto has clearly spawned clones behind his opponent. He did to zabuza. he did it to sasuke before too. I'm certain you didn't even look back at the chapter. chapter 14 pg 11. Kurenai clearly stated itachi used his jutsu speed to create a clone behind kakashi. For all we know he then substituted with his clone afterward. it's obvious he weaved the sign in his robe. even going by your logic. itachi created a clone and moved faster than kisame, kakashi, asuma, and kurenai can percieve and got behind kakashi. clearly a speed feat either way you look at it.

The burden of proof isn't on me at all. You can't prove what the minimum damage required to destroy chibaku tensei is. You also can't prove that yakasa matagama is a weak attack. therefore, your argument is just as speculatory as mine. For all we know 3 yakasa matagama busts that core. we never got a damage quota for itachi's full power matagama. sure kabuto speed blitzed him yet he couldn't do that any time before. Itachi clearly let his guard down there, even turning off his susano'o rib cage. By your own logic, itachi moved faster than both ems sasuke and kabuto could perceive each time he prepped a substitute and appeared behind kabuto.

Prove that part 2 itachi is slower than part 2 kakashi. good luck, because we have clear evidence of 30 percent itachi reacting to kakashi without any issues. That was a 30 percent clone of sick itachi too. You even go as far now as to claim itachi is slower in part 2 than he is in part one.

Yes, a jobbing itachi can only plan two moves in advance. Thanks for pointing that out. Itachi didn't have killer intent against bee, he was doing the bare minimum to satisfy kabuto's request. Itachi clearly avoided killer bee's sword blitzing with ease and escaped, proving he is faster than bee. Itachi even warned killer bee not to look in his eyes. Itachi didn't even have killer intent against part one kakashi. kakashi admitted itachi could have killed him but didn't. he also stated that the initial ninjutsu tactics itachi used was barely half of what itachi could actually do in battle. In fact, the only two battles we have seen itachi with killer intent was against nagato and orochimaru, and he blitzed them both with totsuka, low diff. little to no strategy was needed. And yeah, we are gonna ignore the fact that itachi was clearly shown and stated to be holding back against hebi sasuke? that's not even worth debating. And you act like hebi sasuke is a slow opponent. that same hebi sasuke was blitzing naruto with like 0 diff, multiple times. he nearly blitzed deidara, who could react to kyuubi enhanced naruto.

so now the excuse is that nagato can't see the blade, and that he can't move his arms. First of all, the mobility issue is in his legs, not his arms. Secondly, Nagato reacted to kcm naruto's rasengan without any hand movement by using preta, so you made that up. nagato has also used shinra tensei without any hand movement. He can see the blade. he is staring right at the center of the smoke where the blade came out. I also proved he is far away from that smoke too, absolutely no reason he can't see the blade. He couldn't mentally react. Shinra tensei can deflect the blade if enough power is behind it.

Refer to my battle simulation. I never said he would use shuriken jutsu against the ashura path. and lol no. the pains use a T- formation. We have always seen 3-4 pains standing one behind the other. That means the opening totsuka blitz is killing 3-4 off the bat. Preta path isn't reacting. the clone spawned behind naraka is also killing it. Surprise attack from behind, nagato's sensing is overrated, he couldn't even sense naruto attacking naraka from above. Even if he senses itachi, he is slower and weaker at taijutsu. The worst case scenario for itachi is that the clone detonates prematurely, and that is still killing that pain. so either way 4 pains down, two to go. a simple katon + totsuka blade combo bisects deva, deva would use shinra tensei to block the katon initiating his cool down, and he isn't reacting to the blade in any case. And in the event that itachi's shadow clone is still in play, it can easily force a shinra tensei. and ashura path isn't even worth discussing at that point. We clearly saw itachi using multiple amaterasu without any issue. he legit lit up the entire surrounding area, giving sasuke extra heat to form thunderclouds.

You have no proof that using one shadow clone would cripple him either, you literally made that up. the crow clones have an unstated stamina split, but the stamina split exists, and he used 3 of them in the same day. Itachi wasn't at full health when he was coughing up blood either. he used multiple genjutsu, multiple clones, more than one large katon. more than one amaterasu. Kakashi could still fight just fine, after using his clone. you also made that up. His clone itself was casting raikiri dog, using raikiri, dodging missles. No signs of exhaustion whatsoever. His chakra was low and he has low reserves, but he only got screwed over once he got shinra tensei'd into oblivion and couldn't move due to his injuries. you can clearly see his head is bleeding from the damage. Kakashi died because his sharingan taxes him extra, that was established since part one. Even so, the crow clones would function just fine. he spawns one behind naraka and still puts in work. they dissipate into crows after being destroyed which itachi has used as a distraction more than once.

and yata mirror blocks shinra tensei. The summons are irrelevant. they get one-shotted by totsuka. this battle isn't lasting more than a few minutes. Itachi would be suffering afterward but he is no way completely crippled after using one clone and one one totsuka blitz, which is all he needs to kill 4 paths like seconds after the match starts. deva and ashura would be the last ones left, based on nagato's initial formations. amaterasu is enough to finish ashura. At that point he has killed 5 of the pains after using susano'o for less than a minute, one amaterasu, and one clone. he has enough in the tank to one shot deva after that. Even with slight changes in his formation, itachi can still outmanuever them quickly with that blade, 3 of them minimum are dying at the begininning.

and no, based on the movement lines ashura path clearly jumped down in front of kakashi from above. we can't see when he jumped. he could have already been high in the air when pain was restrained. The camera angle doesn't allow us to see that.