Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-27883716-20160228133805/@comment-27660682-20160301090651

@Ironsand, im surprised you resonate with obito, but then again I feel like the fandom has calmed down about obito over the last few years. Most people hated him with a passion. Personally I felt he first made a selfless decision to kill himself for kakashi and then leaving the world and his crush behind. Then madara completely ruined that for him by saving him and making him see rin die at kakashi's hands, which really could put anyone over the edge. I mean obito didnt have any other support group and as such as rhe manipulation by madara was reinforced for a long time. But honestly, it was heavily implied constantly he was doing it simply for rin and it showed that he couldn't accept his friend zone could never become romance had died and he had nothing else, which I think is what bothered people, not that its necessary ily a bad thing, but you could see it when he blamed kakashi for her death even though he knew it wasnt his fault. With madara he never really constantly shoved izuna dying as his motivation down our throats. It was not just because his family died, it was because even after they formed the village tobirama continued to be a douche. Then when he read the stone tablet, he realized all this conflict was predestined from the beginning and there was no really no end to it, thats what pushed him over the edge, so I feel like madara's motivation was slightly better, not that I dont understand where obito is coming from.

@Jou well that's the problem, it's not only slow its not guaranteed to work. Naruto often uses force and violence because there are simply people that will continue to spur conflict. He had no problem trying to kill deidara after what he did to gaara. Most of his talk no justu only worked on people he beat using physical force. So isn't that forced peace because you left the villain with no other option but a chance to develop? It's the same thing with sasuke he spent half the manga trying to bring him back when he doesn't want to, hell even at the end of the part one he threatened to break every bone in his body. Then it took a battle at the end to basically force sasuke to develop. You can argue that yes the akatsuki is after him and such which is why he needs to defend himself, but that proves the point conflict is something not completely avoidable. He is uniting the world yes but the villages are still separate entities and it only takes one murder to start a chain of hatred, whereas tsyukyomi bypasses all of that. And why is that form of peace inherently better anyways? Why do we need a balance between good and bad which are pretty subjective terms in the first place? In tsyukyomi you dont even tell the difference between the real world and things will go peacefully. If its peace you are looking for then reality doesnt offer it. Naruto says neji lives on his heart when he can also just live with the real neji. It's not like he wanted neji to die in the first place.