Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20171113213649/@comment-35622277-20171122101822

Namikazenaruto9 wrote: @UntappedRage There are still many kages who can fight naruto with his clones and you know it. There are some on whom None of Naruto's attack wouldn't even leave a scratch on their body. There are some Kage level opponent whose chakra reserves surpass even his(of course without the buffs or Kurama). So Don't talk like he can beat anyone. EDIT: I definitely don't think Naruto can take on Kisame. Definitely not He is the worst possible(in base). Even with SM it should be tough. Name a Kage-level opponent outside of Edo-Tensei and TTJ feats who have the durability to tank one of Naruto's Jutsu, and one who's reserves surpasses his in Base Mode or Sage Mode. The First Hokage and Madara? Kisame hasn't shown anything to reinforce that he himself does. The only other dude I can think of that can surpass Naruto's Base reserves is Nagato and Sasuke? So there are what, a total of four people who surpass him in base chakra reserve?

Has anyone even directly tanked a regular Rasenshuriken outside of Edo-Tensei and TTJ level combatants? Not to mention when it's combined with other nature transformations? Edo-Tensei doesn't count (i.e. 3rd Raikage), simply because he didn't actually tank it, he was reconstructed. If he were alive when taking that hit, he'd be dead. Rasenshuriken's molecular chakra severance ability also doesn't work on Edo-Tensei.

Because from what I've seen, whoever took a direct hit from any one of them, even with defensive jutsu in place, usually ended up taking severe damage. Even the Massive Rasengan, a Jutsu which has enough force to obliterate a giant wooden stump, plow throw swaths of rock, and still have enough force to break into the stratosphere, please tell me, who can possibly tank that, when even Kimoshiki was completely obliterated.

Legitimate question, because it's pretty important to the outcome of any SM Hokage Naruto vs x person.

Because the thing you don't seem to realize is, Base + SM Hokage Naruto can defeat any shinobi we've seen outside of Hashirama and above level opponents.

Nerosmoke wrote: I mean Kisame did not even have his chakra eating sword and all of Naruto's attacks use chakra. So the only way Kisame can lose to naruto is if he does not have his sword or if Naruto has a attack that does not use chakra. You assume only one attack is headed for Kisame like only one opponent attacks you at a time in Assassin's Creed. His sword doesn't help much when there are a few different attacks coming at him.

This plays into Itachi fight as well. Why does everyone assume a defensive technique designed to block jutsu from one direction can block multiple different ones from different directions?

Even if he can, Naruto would've already accounted for chakra absorption techniques and have closed the distance Taijutsu range anyway. He always does this with opponents that can absorb ninjutsu