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Re: Onmyouton and Izanagi
At the moment, there is very little information about Onmyōton. However, from what we have been told, it seems Onmyōton is indeed an advanced element created by fusing Inton and Yōton. However, it is clear Inton, Yōton, and Onmyōton work somewhat differently from the other elements, so even if we can draw the conclusion that it is an advanced element, ir might not have to be like other advanced elements like Hyōton and Mokuton.

I'm not sure about Izanagi being Onmyōton. I would have to reread those parts of the manga that deal with this technique. However, if my memory serves me well, Izanagi is indeed an Onmyōton ninjutsu. —ShounenSuki (talk 01:10, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Ostrich techniques
Where exactly did you get the kanji for those? Did you go by the sound or did you use some sort captioned version of the episode? I'm looking into the literal translation of some to move them. For example, the last kanji in Ostrich Whirlwind would add the word "strike" to the technique's name, and so on. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:55, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're going by the translation used in crunchyroll subs, they're not very literal. They usually simplify names. For example, the Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique. They drop the bullet part of it. You can tell by the sound of a technique that there is stuff they're changing or just plain dropping. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:30, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Crunchyroll. It's a site where people can officially watch Naruto Shippūden episodes officially, for free, though it takes a week for the latest chapter to be available for everyone, it has English subbed simulcasts. I'm not sure who makes the translations. But like I said above, they make some changes to the name of stuff. Dialog, I've been told, usually goes unscathed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:20, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know them, they took over once dattebayo stopped subbing Naruto, though they did sub before dattebayo stopped. When I really like an episode, I download a subbed version from them. As long as you have a good Internet connection, you should be able to watch Shippuden at crunchyroll with no problems. Try watching an episode to see if the subs differ much. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:53, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Go to goodanime.net, the episodes they have are the ones from crunchyroll. At least the most recent ones are. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:08, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Looking for a kanji
I'm guessing you mean 創, although I'm not sure 'concept' is such a good translation for it. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:27, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Release Schedule for WSJ
Yes, the Weekly Shōnen Jump generally hits the stores on Mondays. The issues are illegally leaked to the web before that, hence why we're able to read them earlier. Chapter 522, for instance, shouldn't have been released until 4th January.

There are generally weeks off during important Japanese holidays, like Golden Week, New Year's, and Obon and Kishimoto-sensei often takes a break somewhere near the end of the year as well. —ShounenSuki (talk 20:25, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * The 4th January issue will be released on a Tuesday instead of a Monday, due to New Year's. We get them even earlier than usual during holidays because they are actually already printed before the holidays, just not distributed.
 * I wouldn't know exactly how they are leaked, but I'm assuming someone who works there secretly takes pictures of the issues before they are published and spreads those around. —ShounenSuki (talk 20:45, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to intrude, but I think some of your questions are answered here. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:53, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Dajimu and Tera
The ・ can also be used as a comma of sorts. Although it's certainly possible Dajimu Tera is only one person, there are several reasons I believe it is more likely they are two separate persons. They are Root members and so far, no root member has been given a double name — Double names using a ・ are rare in the first place. Then there's the fact that Danzō actually uses both names. There is no reason he would be using the family name as well as the given name.

As for your second question, there are several sites you could use, like [rawmangaspot.blogspot.com this one] and [narutoverse.org this one]. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:07, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Japanese name for advanced elements?
I'll have to check to be sure, but I don't believe they have ever been given a proper name. —ShounenSuki (talk 20:19, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Sousatsu
As i'm not that well versed in Japanese i'll leave it you might very well be right. --Cerez365 (talk) 14:59, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Question to ShounenSuki
It's something Zabuza says to Kakashi before Kabuto kills his personality. The translation is available at the Quotes section in Zabuza's article. It means "I died as a human". Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:28, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Points after kanji
Those points are for emphasis. A bit like how italics are used in English. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:29, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re: New OVA's name
There's a new OVA? —ShounenSuki (talk 21:53, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh that silly little animation. I consider it an extremely spoiler-heavy sales trick. I'll check and see if it actually has a name or anything.
 * As for 五大, it should be translated as something along the lines of Great Five. Sure, it's the Japanese name for their five elements, but that doesn't justify translating it as something like that. Translate literally if you can, liberally if you must. —ShounenSuki (talk 23:54, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re: CHAPTER 524 TRANSLATIONS
Neji already uses Jūkenhō in chapter 101, so I just went with precedent there. I don't have the raw, so I cannot verify it yet. The same goes for the Second Tsuchikage's name, but the spoilers are quite clear there. It's not uncommon for 無 to be pronounced as Mū as a name. —ShounenSuki (talk 10:29, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Raiton: Kuropansa
I doubt it, the name makes no sense like that. —ShounenSuki (talk 12:57, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know the furigana is written in hiragana. I'd already seen he raw as well. Still, the name makes no real sense without the pun and the pun is too obvious. The hiragana might simply be a mistake. —ShounenSuki (talk 16:33, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and yeah, I know the term 隠れ里. Why, if I may ask? —ShounenSuki (talk 17:07, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's used, like, everywhere. It's the common term for a shinobi village, even in real life. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:17, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * 隠れ里 isn't a special term? —ShounenSuki (talk 17:52, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now why would he do that when he has a perfectly good real term to use? —ShounenSuki (talk 18:36, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Treasured Tools
操り does no just mean 'manipulating'. It can also refer to operating things like machinery or, in this case, those tools. —ShounenSuki (talk 10:44, February 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * The First databook states that the Second Hokage died during a Shinobi World War, without saying what number. This either means it was the first or the latest. The latest (the third) is impossible, so it has to be the first. If you want more proof, SWWII was the one that the Sannin fought in. It started twenty years after SWWI. If this was the same war that the Second Hokage died in, it must have lasted almost three decades and SWWI must have started years before the founding of the villages, which is impossible because the shinobi world wars are actually wars between the villages. —ShounenSuki (talk 12:08, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Chapter 527
That sentence simply means "the word one has spoken most often". In Japanese, a word modifies the word following it, so to understand a sentence, it is often handy to start at the end. In this case, we have a word. The word is spoken. It is spoke a lot. It is the number one most spoken, in fact. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:37, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * 一番 – number one
 * 多く – much, many
 * 口にした – 'to do from/with the mouth': to speak, to eat, to taste
 * 言葉 – word

Re: the pot's kanji
I could've sworn that was already known... The kanji is. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:21, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure, yeah. It's heavily stylised, but still.
 * The episode counting, I never understood myself either. I asked several times, I believe, but never got a good answer. Maybe you should raise the issue again. —ShounenSuki (talk 20:26, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Re: New databook?
I wish I could tell you more, but unfortunately I can't. However, judging by the previous three databooks, the fourth one should come out this year. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:01, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re: The Shouton issue
The translation you gave was actually pretty accurate. This does leave the question of whether or not Shōton is an actual element. Personally, I don't care much for the anime, so this is pretty much a non-issue for me. Still, I took the time to form an opinion for you.

As it is now, I can see three possible explanations for Shōton:
 * 1) it's an entirely new element;
 * 2) it's a special form of Doton;
 * 3) and it's a non-elemental ability to crystallise matter.

Now there are several reasons why the first option is the most likely:
 * 1) it is named following the patterns for the other elements;
 * 2) it has effects and uses unlike other elements;
 * 3) and it has a unique look.

If it had been a special form of Doton, I don't think it would have been depicted as an ability unique to Guren, nor would it have been given a new name.

If it had been a non-elemental ability to crystallise matter, it really should create similar crystals every time; that really points to it actually creating crystals out of chakra alone.

So really, the most likely conclusion would be that Shōton is a new element. Either that, or the anime writers once again screwed up big time, which, I'll admit, is not altogether unlikely either.

Of course, unless Shōton is somehow given more exposition, we'll never find out the real intentions behind it. It's a shame, but a fact of life. —ShounenSuki (talk 11:00, April 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * There are no real rules concerning capitalisation and spacing in rōmaji. Generally, the proper nouns and first letters of sentences are capitalised, as in English. Spacing is more difficult, as it is often hard to discern what constitutes a word. For instance, a sentence like:
 * あの灰とは僕は焼き尽くした太郎の家です.
 * Could be spaced like:
 * Ano hai towa boku wa yakitsukushita Tarō no ie desu.
 * Ano hai to wa boku wa yaki tsukushita Tarō no ue desu.
 * Ano haitowa Bokuwa yakitsukushita Tarōno ue desu.
 * Or any of a dozen different combinations of this. I tend to go more for the first one, keeping particles separate from the words they modify, but joined together, and keeping compound verbs together, as long as it doesn't look too unreadable. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:08, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Correct name
Good question, really. I guess the reason is because shippūden is treated very much like a subtitle, which in English is usually separated from the actual title with a colon. The Japanese title doesn't need any separation between the titles because it already has one: the actual Japanese title is ＮＡＲＵＴＯ－ナルト－疾風伝, with the －ナルト－ acting as the separation. —ShounenSuki (talk 19:16, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, no it isn't. It's an official part of the name. Just check TV Tokyo, Shōnen Jump, and Wikipedia. —ShounenSuki (talk 19:31, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks like furigana, but the way it's used indicates otherwise. One Piece, Bleach, Sket Dance, and Reborn! all also have the furigana in katakana in their logos, yet with none of them it's ever written together with the actual titles. Just check this message from the Shōnen Jump website:
 * 『ONE PIECE』『NARUTO-ナルト-』『BLEACH』『銀魂』『REBORN!』『ぬら孫』『SKETDANCE』などJF2011複製原画、超豪華ラインナップで予約受付中！
 * As for the English rendering of the title, well, it would look very awkward with the double Naruto and it's never actually pronounced with a double Naruto, either in English or Japanese. Just keeping it as Naruto is just fine.
 * As for the Rikudō and the Jūbi, Madara says:
 * Madara's words seem to imply that the moon itself is the Jūbi's body, yet when you consider Nagato's words on the Chibaku Tensei:
 * It seems to imply that the moon was created by a Chibaku Tensei as well. this does seem to be the most logical conclusion, given the shapes of the moon and Jūbi. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:25, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems to imply that the moon was created by a Chibaku Tensei as well. this does seem to be the most logical conclusion, given the shapes of the moon and Jūbi. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:25, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems to imply that the moon was created by a Chibaku Tensei as well. this does seem to be the most logical conclusion, given the shapes of the moon and Jūbi. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:25, May 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Dōjutsu refers to both the actual kekkei genkai themselves and the techniques based on those kekkei genkai. Both Sharingan and Amaterasu are dōjutsu. I don't quite understand what you mean with anomaly, but Sharingan refers to everything related to the actual eye and the abilities it grants. It's all connected. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:29, May 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Normally, I would agree with you that Nagato's story could merely be folklore. However, that is simply not the way storytelling works. Kishimoto-sensei didn't put that mention in because he wanted us to think it was a mere myth. He put it in because he either wanted us to think the moon was created by Chibaku Tensei, or because he wanted to purposefully misguide us. Since there's nothing that points to the latter option, the only realy conclusion is that the moon was, in fact, created by the Rikudō Sennin using Chibaku Tensei in an attempt to store the Jūbi's body in a safe location. In other words, as long as nothing directly disproves either of them, both Madara and Nagato were correct. The reason why the Rikudō's Chibaku Tensei is still whole is probably the same reason why our moon hasn't crumbled down.
 * The databooks clearly and unambiguously call techniques like Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, and Kamui dōjutsu. Check here, for instance.
 * As for your final question: yes, Yōton refers both to the nature and the kekkei genkai and Sharingan both to the actual eye and the underlying genetic characteristics. —ShounenSuki (talk 01:27, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, but they are. Amaterasu, for example, is a ninjutsu, a kekkei genkai, and a dōjutsu (and a katon and possibly an enton). It's a dōjutsu, for it is used through an eye. It's a ninjutsu, for it uses moulded, nature-transformed chakra that doesn't invade the opponents body to cause illusions. It's a kekkei genkai, for it requires a specific genetic make-up to be able to use.
 * Dōjutsu refers to anything related to the eye, whether it be the actual ability or the techniques that ability allows for. The same is true for kekkei genkai, it refers to the actual ability and to the techniques that ability allows for.
 * The moon thing is really impossible to tell at this moment. MAybe there wasn't a moon before the Rikudō created one. It's a fictional story and Kishimoto-sensei might simply not be aware of what an impact that would have on the Earth. Maybe there was a moon and the Rikudō merged his Chibaku Tensei with it or even used the moon itself as a source for his Chibaku Tensei. Maybe the moon had been destroyed before and the Rikudō decided to create a new one with the Jūbi's body in it. —ShounenSuki (talk 10:48, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * That sounds about right. —ShounenSuki (talk 15:52, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Translations
Unfortunately, I can't help you with the first two questions. I don't know where you could download the Kai no Sho and I never actually translated anything substantial from the Herobook. Most of the information in it is either repeated from earlier databooks and the manga, or repeated in the third databook. Your third question, I can answer. Although usage varies a great deal, the way Kishimoto-sensei uses furigana for names is generally quite consistent and actually has little to do with the meaning. Family names get hiragana and given names get katakana. This mirrors how the general kanji-less names are written. This doesn't actually indicate that the meanings are meant to be ignored or anything. Obviously the names of people like Gaara, Hidan, and Kakuzu have deep meanings behind them, despite being written in kanji with katakana furigana. the same goes for characters with pure katakana names like Naruto, Chōji, and Kiba.

The meanings of names like Karin and Jūgo, though, seem to have little relevance. Although this may just mean the meanings aren't that obvious. —ShounenSuki (talk 22:14, May 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Writing something in katakana doesn't take away the meaning. 'Ringo' still means apple, whether it is written in hiragana, katakana, or kanji. In fact, the most common way to write it is in katakana. When it comes to Naruto, you can be sure that if a name is written in kanji — regardless of the furigana — its meaning has some relevance.
 * You mentioned Earth Release: Sandwich Technique, so I'll explain that one quickly. The furigana are written in katakana here because 'sando' is a foreign word that is always written in katakana. It has nothing to do with the fact that it is used as a pun, here. The fact that it has unrelated kanji assigned to it doesn't mean the meanings of the kanji should be ignored. In fact, I'd say those meanings are rather important. It's basically writing two words in one go: one word gives us the meaning of 'mountain' and 'earth', the other gives us the meaning of 'sandwich'. Both are equally important, really. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:10, May 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Heh, don't get too frustrated now ^^
 * Gaara's name most certainly does have a meaning and it's the only name — besides Naruto's — that has its meaning play an actual part in the plot. Its furigana is written in katakana because that's how Kishimoto-sensei writes practically all given names. Again, the katakana have nothing to do with the meaning.
 * It's 'sando' and not 'sand', because the Japanese have no way to write a sing 'd' sound without having it being followed by a vowel. Normally, the Japanese would use a 'u' sounds, as that sound is often silent, but what would be the 'du' is actually pronounced as 'zu' in Japanese. The 'o' sounds was second-best.
 * Japanese grammar is actually a lot more straightforward, logical, and simple than English grammar — or most grammars, actually. It's just very different from most Indo-European grammars.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 21:01, May 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've always been good with languages, so you could say I have a natural affinity for them. Still, I just read a lot about the Japanese language and tried to sue it as often as I could. Really, I did nothing special to become as proficient as I am today. Anyone could do it with enough effort. The most important thing is to keep having fun with it.
 * Yes, the true purpose of furigana is to show how the kanji should be pronounced. The secondary purpose is to allow a deeper meaning to be given to a word, like how the title of chapter 220 is 兄と弟, with the furigana saying the names of Itachi and Sasuke, respectively.
 * Rōmaji stands for the romanisation of Japanese. Romanising a language means nothing more than transcribing the original writing into the Latin alphabet. In other words, the proper rōmaji — the proper romanisation — for サンドイッチ is 'sandoicchi'. Writing it as 'sandwich', despite that being the actually meant word, is not romanising it. It wouldn't be transcribing, but translating.
 * In my life, I had to learn the grammar rules of Dutch, English, German, and French, and by myself learnt the rules of Japanese and Quenya. Dutch is my mother tongue, giving me an advantage there, and I've been exposed to English for as long as I can remember. Despite this, I still found the basic Japanese grammar rules to be far more straightforward and easy to learn. I'd rather learn the systematic ways of conjugating Japanese verbs than the irregular and unpredictable ways of conjugating Dutch verbs. I'd take the clear-cut Japanese particles over the almost arbitrarily applied English prepositions.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 23:04, May 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's always a difficult decision. Since the furigana in the first place show how something should be pronounced, I generally go for what the furigana say.
 * It depends. When giving the rōmaji in the justu infobox, we should go with the actual transcription. In everyday usage (if you prefer using the Japanese jutsu names, rather than the English translations), there's no problem with using the normal English word.
 * My German is pretty bad nowadays. I can't quite write it any more, though. Still, partly thanks to my mother tongue, I can still understand a fair amount of it. Ik denk dat je ook mijn Nederlands wel zal begrijpen, tot op zekere hoogte.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 08:40, May 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * If I were to just use the Japanese names of techniques, I would also use the actual English words used, rather than the rōmaji. I would use 'Dynamic Entry' and 'Harem no Jutsu', rather than 'Dainamikku Entorī' and 'Hāremu no Jutsu'. However, these renditions of the names are not rōmaji. If we were to use the Japanese names as article titles and not the literal translations we're using now, a technique like Dynamic Entry would get 'Dynamic Entry' as the article title, with both the Japanese (ダイナミック・エントリー) and the actual rōmaji (Dainamikku Entorī) mentioned in the article itself. A technique like the Harem Technique would then get
 * 'Harem no Jutsu' as the title;
 * 'ハーレムの術' as the Japanese;
 * 'Hāremu no Jutsu' as rōmaji; and
 * 'Harem Technique' as the translation.
 * Doton: Sando no Jutsu is a bit more difficult, though. It doesn't actually use an English word, but a Japanese abbreviation of an English word. There is no set way on how to deal with these, but I generally keep the Japanese form for them. So I would use 'Sando' instead of 'Sand', 'pasokon' instead of 'persocom', and 'BuraPi' instead of 'BraPi'.
 * It seems you understood more of that Dutch bit of text than you thought ^^ Of course, I would understand more of your German than you would of my Dutch, since I was actually taught German in school, but you still got the gist of it.
 * I can't help you with your image problem, I'm afraid. Sorry. —ShounenSuki (talk 11:26, May 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * When it comes to macrons, there are two basic rules I follow:
 * long o's and u's always get macrons; and
 * don't write anything that isn't there.
 * With the last rule, I mean that if there isn't an actual kana there denoting the lengthened vowel — in other words, if the vowel is lengthened using a chōon — don't write it, but use a macron. So アア can be written as 'aa', but write アー as 'ā'.
 * As for the sand vs sando issue. I really would suggest picking a good guideline and sticking to it. Although there are no real, formal rules, I have noticed that most people keep Japanese abbreviations of English terms in their original rōmaji form. I would personally suggest you do too. Turning sando into 'sand' may seem okay, but it's nonsensical and confusing in English. The word 'sand' has nothing to do with sandwiches in English, after all. —ShounenSuki (talk 12:11, May 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, there are no official rules. I'm following the rules of the Revised Hepburn romanisation system, which is the most widely used system in the world at the moment. It's the easiest and most intuitive for speakers of English. —ShounenSuki (talk 14:50, May 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * You really should follow a consistent system like Revised Hepburn, which is what this wiki uses as well. Under RH, 輪廻眼 is romanised as 'Rinnegan' and 照美メイ as 'Terumī Mei'. Apostrophes are only used when the syllabic n (ん/ン) precedes a vowel or a y, because then it can cause confusion with combinations like 'na' (な) and 'nya' (にゃ).
 * What is meant with "part of an inner word boundary" is, I think, when two vowels follow each other, without being an actual elongated vowel. In 小躍り, you have the 'o' in 'odori' following the 'o' in 'ko', without elongating it. They are meant to be seen as separate vowel, so the should be written as such: 'koodori', instead of 'kōdori'. In 食う, the final u is the stem of the verb and also meant to be pronounced as a separate vowel. Thus, it should be written as 'kuu' instead of 'kū'. The same goes for words like 'kawaii' and names like 'Inoue'. —ShounenSuki (talk 16:34, May 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * As long as you attribute them properly — which you did with that one image — I see no problem in you using my images. On the contrary, even. I like it when people use my images. —ShounenSuki (talk 16:53, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * When it comes to kana-only names and words, the best thing to do is to look up the kanji. For example, imagine coming across the family name ジョウノウチ. With a bit of research, you'll easily find that that name is commonly written as 城之内. Thus the rōmaji should be 'Jōnouchi'. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:39, May 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was already planning on making icons for the jutsu categories, any way ^^ —ShounenSuki (talk 20:30, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Problem with lines on screenshots
Hey! I've also noticed, that since the Invasion of Pain on Konoha episodes, those random lines appear throughout the scenes of the episode, which really annoys me because it just gives me another reason to prefer manga over anime images in most cases. I've noticed this problem a lot in the episodes that are released by CrunchyRoll. Where do you normally watch your episodes? As for a solution, I've tried all the tricks availably to me in Photoshop CS3&CS4, but alas, none of them work. Hopefully they'll fix it soon, because there is no point in HD eps if the viseo itself is "poor quality" =/  ~ Fmakck©  (Images 03:13, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there is a way to remove the lines, unfortunately I have no idea how to :(  ~ Fmakck©  (Images 12:03, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Yata Mirror
Thanks for the answer.--LeafShinobi (talk) 17:51, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Translation again~
Nah that's fine. Thanks~ though i thought it would've said something different lol--Cerez365™ 17:26, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Gekiyaku
Could you, perhaps, point me to where I might find this term in the second databook? —ShounenSuki (talk 23:18, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Found it ^ω^ The kanji are 劇薬. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:24, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re: 3. NWW
The entry says:
 * Third Shinobi World War: It broke out ten-odd years before the present. Konoha fought valiantly, especially against Iwagakure, but...

It has never really been stated when SWWIII was fought, but we can calculate that it ended about a year before the Kyūbi Attack. We know Obito died during one of the final battles of the war, we know Obito was thirteen when he died, and since Kakashi should be about the same age as Obito, calculating the year the war ended is easy. Unfortunately we have no idea when the war started or how long it lasted. —ShounenSuki (talk 13:29, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's quite simple, actually. Any vowel elongated with an chōon is romanised with a macron:
 * アー → ā
 * イー → ī
 * ウー → ū
 * エー → ē
 * オー → ō
 * When a vowel is elongated with another vowel, it only gets a macron when it's an 'o' sound or a 'u' sound:
 * アア → aa
 * イイ → ii
 * ウウ → ū
 * エイ → ei
 * エエ → ee
 * オウ → ō
 * オオ → ō
 * ウウ, オウ, and オオ are only written as 'uu', 'ou', and 'oo', respectively, when they do not represent elongated vowels, but simply two vowel sounds in a row. E.g.: スサノオ → Susanoo;　ジョウノウチ → Jōnouchi,　ユウウツ → Yūutsu. —ShounenSuki (talk 15:56, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately that 'simply' requires knowledge of Japanese. Kanji often help. Susanoo, for example, is written with the kanji 須佐能乎, which are read as su-sa-no-o. Since the 'no' is written with a different kanji than the 'o', they are meant to be read as two separate vowels and not a single, elongated vowel. The same goes for Jōnouchi: 城之内 → jō-no-uchi; and yūutsu: 憂鬱 → yū-utsu. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:13, May 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, ōnoki is a term: 大軒, 'big eave'. Even if it wasn't, 'oo' at the beginning of a word usually indicates the kanji 大, so you could make an educated guess. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:31, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re: 歯みごたえがあるもの
It basically means "chewy things". 'Things' is written in hiragana here, making it ambiguous whether 'thing' (物) is meant, or 'person' (者). —ShounenSuki (talk 20:25, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Jūkenhō
OK, I'm now a bit confused about this. I'd better wait until it will be solved.--LeafShinobi (talk) 15:53, May 26, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Karura and Gaara
In chapter 130, on page 9, Yashamaru says:

Of course, this is pure bullshit, as Yashamaru later proves by telling Gaara that he was never loved by his mother. The databook also says nothing about Gaara's mother having any influence over the Shield of Sand. —ShounenSuki (talk 10:37, May 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * When it comes to dropping prefixes, we just follow the databooks. Elemental techniques keep their X遁 prefixes. Senjutsu techniques keep 仙法; Summon techniques keep 口寄せ; puppet techniques keep their Ｘ秘技 prefixes; some barrier techniques get 結界 as a prefix; and many genjutsu are prefixed with 魔幻 or 魔笛.
 * That's about it with prefixes in the databooks. Prefixes like 忍法, or ones that denote specific fighting styles like 柔拳法 and 木ノ葉流 are generally dropped. Don't ask me why.
 * As for jūkenhō vs. jūkenpō: I think this is a case of Kishimoto-sensei correcting a past mistake. Jūkenpō would be the more logical spelling, considering the pronunciation of 拳法. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:23, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Kago no naka no tori
Neji says:

—ShounenSuki (talk 14:22, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Re: On and kun
To put it very basically, the on'yomi of a kanji is based on how the kanji was pronounced in China in the area and during the era that the kanji was borrowed. The kun'yomi is based on the nativeJapanese word the kanji is connected to. For example: 忍 has the on'yomi 'nin', likely based on the Shanghainese pronounciation 'nyin'. (It's pronounced 'rěn' in Mandarin). The kun'yomi is 'shino[bu]', which is the native Japanese word that was associated with the kanji when it was borrowed from Chinese.

There is also a difference in usage: on'yomi are generally used when the kanji is used in a compound word. I.e. together with other kanji. Kun'yomi are generally used when the kanji is used on its own. For example: when used on their own 忍 and 者 are (generally) pronounced with the kun'yomi as 'shino[bu]' and 'mono', respectively. When used together, their on'yomi are used: 忍者 → 'ninja'.

Of course there are exceptions to this, but you'll find that this is the general rule. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:58, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Not quite the German wiki
I see you have some activity in other wikis about Naruto. While searching for names of techniques we don't have kanji, I came across a non-Wikia wiki about Naruto. I did some checking, and found stuff that fits some holes we have. I don't know if you're a member of that wiki, but since you speak German, can you dig around and see if other verifiable info there is good for us? I found kanji for two techniques we didn't have kanji, and there are about four techniques that could be new articles for us if the names are correct, we would just need to figure out which games the techniques are from. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:19, June 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw he was inactive. I don't have any Naruto video games as well. The closest thing to massive videogame listing happened when I asked ShounenSuki about Unparalleled Great Wind Formation, check its talk page and you'll see. There must be some site like those he found which have technique names. I looked for video game walkthroughs already, hoping they'd have technique names, but with no luck. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:03, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Kagekubi Shibari
—ShounenSuki (talk 22:32, June 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) I translated the Kage–Kubishibari no Jutsu article for you, although I'm still working on the accompanying hyakuyōshū.
 * 2)  I can also read チャクラの解剖刀•惨 there. However, I'm pretty sure メス is the furigana for 解剖刀 and not just 剖. 解剖刀 is actually a rather obscure Japanese word for 'scalpel', with メス being the standard word for it nowadays. I've seen 解剖刀 with メス as furigana before, including in the Naruto manga itself.
 * 3) I checked your contributions and most were perfectly fine. I only fixed the Japanese name in Wind God and Thunder God Technique, as the 'to' should be in katakana here, and I changed back the rōmaji in Senbon Shower, as the 'jo' and 'u' should be pronounced separately.


 * It seems to be more connected to the physical Yang than the mental Yin.
 * Yes, the Japanese name is 'チャクラの解剖刀•惨', the rōmaji is 'Chakura no Mesu: Zan', the English is something like 'Chakra Scalpel: Cruelty', and the 'Japanese' name would be 'Chakra no Mes: Zan'.
 * Yes, the 'jo' and the 'u' are written with two separate, unrelated kanji. I can't think of any other cases like this off the top of my head, but this is a very clear example.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 23:33, June 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Isn't it Yang chakra that governs form? Anyway, I'd say that's a good theory.
 * I don't mind the way you'd write the name. It's just that there is no good way of actually naming the system you use. There are no good rules for it. It's also easily confused with rōmaji, which I consider more useful.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 23:54, June 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yang Release controls physical energy, Yin Release controls spiritual energy.
 * I understand why you do it; I just don't particularly see the use for it. Rōmaji shows how the Japanese pronounce a word, kanji and kana show how the Japanese write a word, and English shows the what the word means. Your system shows, well, what does it show?
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 00:43, June 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Shikamaru's shadows are specifically stated to become physical, though, so wouldn't that make them Yang?
 * See, this is were things get fun. How far are you willing to go with that? ハーレム is an Arabic loanword, so wouldn't you have to make it 'haram'? 八卦 comes from Chinese, so would you give that as 'Bāguà'? Chakra is originally a Sanskrit word, so does that become 'cakraṃ'? To go beyond Naruto, would テーゼ become 'thesis' or the actual German root 'These'? Would イギリス and オランダ become Old-Portuguese 'Inglez' and 'Ollanda'? Would ビール be 'beer' or the actual Dutch 'bier'? —ShounenSuki (talk 01:23, June 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, hopefully we'll get a good explanation soon.
 * Then what do you use? English? If so, why and when? You apparently use English even for words that have absolutely no relation to English, so why? And why ignore all the other loanwords? See why I don't use this system? There are no rules, so there is no good way to get consistency.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 02:10, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Kage Uni Shibari?
—ShounenSuki (talk 20:01, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) The kanji looks like 鬼 to me. A quick Google search seems to agree with me.
 * 2) I think techniques like the Hakke Rokujūyonshō should be dōjutsu, as they make use of the byakugan to see the opponent's tenketsu. Hakkeshō Kaiten, on the other hand, doesn't seem to require the Byakugan per se. Instead, it seems to rely on the Hyūga's ability to easily release chakra from all their tenketsu — another one of their kekkei genkai.


 * I can't say I've heard of 'catcher' as a possible translation for 鬼. The translation always depends on the context, of course. For 鬼, the general translations are 'oni', 'demon', and 'ogre'. I'd have to see the technique to be able to decide which one is best here.
 * The Hyūga are supposed to have multiple kekkei genkai. At least, the Byakugan was described as 'one of the Hyūga clan's kekkei genkai'.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 21:25, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, like that! No, what they mean is that the person who is 'it' during games like tag or hide-and-seek is called the 鬼 in Japanese.
 * In chapter 78, on page 13, Kakashi says:.
 * Jiraiya says: . He is using yōma as a general term, with the Kyūbi being only one of a specific subset of them: those with the strongest chakra.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 22:19, June 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * That would be quite far-fetched, especially without any proper clues to point people into the right direction. I think the intended meaning here is the binding of something evil and dangerous. The term 鬼縛り is used in several stories about dangerous oni that are defeated.
 * Perhaps it isn't mentioned here because it is really only mentioned once in the series and even then only passingly. Why it isn't mentioned in the series? I haven't a clue. Still, I can't really say the Byakugan explains why technique like the Kaiten are considered kekkei genkai. It really has nothing to do with eyes. I'll translate databook articles about the Hyūga techniques one day to try and clear things up a bit.
 * The term 妖魔 is far broader than チャクラのバケモノ. I would say that the 尾獣 are a kind of チャクラのバケモノ, which in turn are a subset of the 妖魔.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 00:56, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Kazekage
It would be more logical to put them in order. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 16:15, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Done. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 16:21, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Hien
It's been a while, but you asked me for this. —ShounenSuki (talk 22:16, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say that every instance of chakra flow is basically Hien. I think Hien is really a technique unique to Asuma, or is at least not as general as to include all instances of chakra flow.
 * The Six Paths of Pain were never actually stated to be a technique. Still, how else would you classify them?
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 23:15, June 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * yeah, the text is written rather generic, so it could very well be that it is the general chakra flow technique. It's just my gut feeling that tells me otherwise.
 * In this case, I think it's because the 'ストーム' part is considered a part of the actual title, whereas the 'GENERATION' part is really more of a subtitle. Still though, especially when it comes to titles and such, the Japanese work mostly by the Rule of Cool. There are no real rules for it.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 01:14, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Senmai Oroshi
I'd actually have to see the attack to be able to give a good translation. I could see 降ろし mean different things depending on the context. —ShounenSuki (talk 20:57, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * I did a little bit of research and actually found a Youtube video that showed the technique. I don't think 'fall wind' is a good translation, as I don't think the 降ろし part refers to any kind of wind and the Japanese name for katabatic winds is 滑降風 and although a famous Japanese example of these winds is called 'oroshi', that is written as 颪.
 * I think it simply refers to bringing the enemy down here or 'dropping' Katamari on the enemy. So a translation like 'Fan Dance Drop' or 'Fan Dance Take-Down' would be best, methinks. —ShounenSuki (talk 23:06, June 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 降 on its own would mean something like 'descending', 'falling', or 'surrendering'.
 * 'Kō' is (one of) the on'yomi of 降. Here, one of its kun'yomi is used instead. The 'roshi' is actually a part of this kun'yomi, but written as okurigana. This is normal for verbs. —ShounenSuki (talk 07:56, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

Re: The Japanese names issue... again^^
Ah Yu-Gi-Oh, they do love their inconsistencies.

I'll get the easy question out of the way first. The Japanese capitalise names so often because it looks more natural to them. They don't have a capital/minuscule system themselves, so using different cases looks unnatural and odd to them. It might also partly be because they think it looks cooler.

Your first question is a bit more complex at first sight. Basically, there are no rules for it. Whichever looks best is picked. It's all decided upon according to the Rule of Cool.

As for your last question, what exactly do you mean with "a rule about spacing Kana"? —ShounenSuki (talk 16:18, June 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * You have to realise that what you are talking about is all marketing and sales. It's all about appearances and appealing to an audience. Sometimes the people in charge come up with their own rules or some ill-defined, unwritten rules develop on their own, but most of the time it's simply 'do what looks best'. There are no rules that apply to each and every situation, no matter where you come across it.
 * In the case of ナルティメットストーム GENERATION, I theorised that the difference could have been made to differentiate between the title and the subtitle, but really that was only my speculation. Another game could easily do it the other way around, or simply not make the distinction at all, writing both in the same script.
 * As for 'chakra' vs. 'chakura', both have their own place. 'chakura' is the rōmaji of the Japanese word 'チャクラ'. If you gave 'chakra' as the rōmaji, you'd simply be wrong. 'Chakra', however, could be seen as 'the word that the Japanese word is supposed to be', but this is an inconsistent and ill-defined rule to follow.


 * As for spaces, well, Japanese doesn't use them much and if they're used, it's because the text is written almost completely with kana (e.g. texts for very young children), or to indicate a pause of sorts, like a comma. Sometimes, when using kana to write a foreign text (e.g. foreign names), the 'nakaguro' (・) is used to indicate where the spaces were in the original text. For example: 'Catharina-Amalia Beatrix Carmen victoria van Oranje-Nassau' becomes カタリナ＝アマリア・ベアトリクス・カルメン・ヴィクトリア・ファン・オラニエ＝ナッサウ. —ShounenSuki (talk 16:52, June 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * 'Chakura' is the rōmaji for 'チャクラ'. It's how the word is supposed to be pronounced. 'Chakra' is the English translation for 'チャクラ', which is why we use it in our articles. 'Chakra' as you use it is the word 'チャクラ' is 'supposed to be'. If you want to use rōmaji, use 'chakura' and 'Maito Gai'. If you want to use what words are 'supposed to be', use 'chakra' and 'Might Guy'.
 * You should be able to realise how the nakaguro is used from context most of the times.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 17:37, June 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Saying 'チャクラ' should be 'chakra' is like saying 'rucksack' should be 'rugzak'. チャクラ is a loanword taken from Sankrit into Japanese. チャクラ is the way it is written and, according to the general romanisation rules, it is transliterated into the Latin alphabet as 'chakura'. Rōmaji are not there to show what a word is 'supposed to be'. It's there only for the simple reason of showing how a word is written and pronounced in Japanese for those who cannot read the Japanese scripts themselves.
 * What you're doing is taking the rōmaji and replacing some of the words with their English equivalents, because 'those are the words they are supposed to be'. I'm not saying that's wrong, as that would be rather narrow-minded of me. I'm merely saying it's inconsistent and follows no set rules.
 * Just imagine an English sentence like: "the power of a tsunami can be calculated using simple algebra." According to your way of writing Japanese, this sentence would be written as "the pouair of the 津波 CALCULĀTVS using SIMPLVS الجبر."


 * About Itachi: there was never an age stated, but we know he had to have been at least thirteen, the age he became an ANBU captain. We also know Sasuke was seven, as he states he was the same age as Itachi was when he graduated the Academy. Sasuke is about five years younger than Itachi, so Itachi really couldn't have been older than thirteen. It might not have been stated per se, but there's almost no denying the fact that Itachi was thirteen when he massacred his clan.—ShounenSuki (talk 22:50, June 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem I have with your system is the fact that it has no consistency. Do me a favour and tell me how you would write the following Japanese words in your system:
 * タバコ
 * 如雨露
 * アスベスト
 * ドイツ
 * お転婆
 * コラーゲン
 * ママ
 * 禅
 * 一期一会
 * 美人薄命
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 00:35, June 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Being a translator is difficult, isn't it ^^
 * When it comes to the names of characters, we actually have the databooks to give us an indication of how they should be written in English. ペイン becomes Pain, ロック・リー becomes Rock Lee, etcetera. With characters like ビー and エイ, who haven't appeared in any databooks yet, we can use some educated guessing to come up with what they most likely should be: B and A, respectively.
 * As annoying and troublesome as it may seem, I would suggest switching to a more well-defined system. At the least, I would create some good rules to follow for your own system, so that you'll be able to bring some consistency into it. For example:
 * Do you use the Japanese or the Chinese names for Kirin and Kakuan?
 * If you also use this system with chapter and episode titles, will you be using the Japanese 'noruma' or the Russian 'norma' for Mission Cleared?
 * In short, how far will you go with using the original spellings, rather than the Japanese ones? You already use the original spelling for English words, but will you do it for German as well? Russian? Chinese? Portuguese? Sanskrit? There are countless loanwords in Japanese for dozens of different languages, after all. Not all will be immediately recognisable as such and even less will be in any way understandable in either spelling to your audience.
 * As for your other question: in rōmaji, hyphens are generally only used for certain suffixes, like honorifics (-san, -kun) and those for geographical features (-san, -kawa). Even then, usage varies. The only time hyphens are really used with any consistency is with honorifics attached to personal names. (It is almost always 'Tanaka-san', but can be 'otōsan', or 'niichan'). —ShounenSuki (talk 15:28, June 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * If I were you, I would think about what is best for your audience. Using all those Japanese terms might look cool, but are they understandable? Why use 'kaidan' when there's a perfectly fitting translation?
 * Why would you Japanese for names that come from Chinese? Why would you use Japanese for a Russian term, but not for an English term? You understand what I mean, I see. Still, you are choosing Japanese over German. Remember that you are translating for an audience. An audience that doesn't understand Japanese, or else they would be reading the Japanese manga and not a German translation. An encyclopædia's foremost objective is to inform its audience and make information easily accessible. Yet you are making it difficult by using so many unnecessary Japanese.
 * That said, I have never been to Japan. I refuse to set foot on Japanese soil until I consider myself near-fluent in the Japanese language.
 * As for your last question, it's up to your preference. I think Tenchi-kyō is most often used, but this gives problems with names like Kitadake and Shinanogawa, that have suffixes affected by rendaku. I always dislike not writing those as a single word. —ShounenSuki (talk 16:35, June 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand where you're coming from with not wanting to write for little kids (they really changed that much? Jesus…) but there's a difference between writing for kids and writing for understandably. You can make a text extra complicated by putting in a lot of foreign words, but that would be like cutting off the nose to spite the face: you'd be making the text needlessly complicated and hard to understand for any audience of any age. Try to think of what is best for your audience.
 * That said, I would go for Might Guy, as I would for Rock Lee, and Pain. This isn't as much a question of preference as it is of following the author's intentions. The databooks clearly give us the way the names of these characters were intended to be written. Unless you're intent on using nothing but pure rōmaji, there is no reason not to write マイト・ガイ as Might Guy. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:34, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, but in this case you actually have the word of the author to tell you what to do. Kishimoto-sensei himself gave us the way to write マイト・ガイ in the Latin alphabet, and who are we to ignore him? However, if you decide to go purely rōmaji, you should use Maito Gai, as that is the rōmaji for マイト・ガイ. —ShounenSuki (talk 23:22, June 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm actually amazed he didn't write is as 'Zyûgo', which is what he should be writing using the Kunrei-shiki romanisation system taught in Japanese elementary schools.
 * It seems Kishimoto-sensei isn't using any established system of romanisation, but rather a wāpuro system. In most of these systems, the lengthened vowels are written as double vowels, so 'うう' would become 'uu'. 'Ju' is written as 'じゅ', or 'ji' + a small 'yu', and since most of these combined kana are written as 'xyu' (e.g. きゅ→kyu, みゅ→myu) it's not that odd for him to write 'じゅ' as 'jyu'. —ShounenSuki (talk 19:59, July 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * It means that Kishimoto-sensei in't really thinking about what he's putting there, while we are using actual, official romanisation systems. The Japanese generally use text written in the Latin alphabet as background filler. Something to make the page look more interesting and filled. Don't heed it too much, except in those cases where actual English names are use, like with Guy and Pain.
 * You only have to write the ん as n-apostrophe when there's the possibility it can be misread. With vowels and kana from the ya-gyō, this is the case: without apostrophes, にゃ and んや would both be romanised as 'nya' and に and んい would both be romanised as 'ni'.
 * With んきゃ, んりゅ, and んじょ, there is no possibility of misreading, so no apostrophes are needed. —ShounenSuki (talk 20:44, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Bijuu
Madara says:

—ShounenSuki (talk 14:41, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I really wouldn't know about that information. I don't recall that being said in the manga. —ShounenSuki (talk 15:18, July 3, 2011 (UTC)