Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-27429908-20160102030534/@comment-25442883-20160119131811

Well if u are going by that, just being Ashura and Indra incarnate are already retard power up to some point (sure one has to train to 'awaken' it but not everyone is gifted with that).

That being said, at list of top 3 without any kind of power up would definitely be Hiruzen and Minato. I was thinking about Itachi, but I would also have to include Tobirama, and with all this Senju/Uchiha generally being stronger than most of other clans i dunno. If we at least include that my list would be. Minato, Itachi, Hiruzen. ^^