Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180724205644/@comment-24824859-20180726015705

Princeharris1993 wrote: Kishi literally said that he didn't know how Madara would be defeated. That in itself is enough to tell you Naruto and Sasuke would have lost had they fought him.

Years later, the outcome would still be the same. Sasuke is better at using the Rinnegan than he was before, and they have better taijutsu, but that just helps them a little bit more. They can't defeat Madara as a far, where adult or human, and definitely not separately.

Preta Path is a Barrier Ninjutsu, a spherical barrier at that, so he would be able to absorb techniques from any direction at once. Madara didn't display much taijutsu against Naruto and Sasuke, but we know he is extremely good at it, so you can't just say he isn't better because he hasn't shown it because we don't know. But what we do know is that he has way more combat experience than Naruto and Sasuke combined, hell, he was raised in time of War.

Guy thrased Madara with extremely effective techniques. The Night Guy bent space and stopped him from defending for a split second, just enough to hit Madara. Without the help of Minato and the others, Guy would have died, same for Obito and Kakashi helping each other and the same for Naruto and Sasuke when he took Kurama and stabbed Sasuke in the heart, respectively.

Madara could do both all over again. If he used Limbo to its full potential, they'd stand no chance.

Multiple Wood Clone Technique + Susanoo + Limbo: Border Jail + techniques used through Limbo: Border Jail and his wood clones is too much. Add in the potential of the other Rinnegan techniques and its overkill. Madara will stomp both, together or independently.

If Sasuke could catch Naruto off guard to the extent that he couldn't turn around in time, or dodge with NES, then Madara can do the same but better as the TTJ. Sasuke bisecting TTJ Madara was already pushing it as it was, but we can't deny it happened.

PS: Momoshiki had the power but didn't have the intelligence to use that power effectively. Madara has the power and intelligence to get the job done. Give me a source or it didn't happen

On what ground are you basing this claim on

We have only seen jutsu being absorbed through hands. We have seen the extent of Madara's taijutsu (back when he was an Edo) and it wasn't that impressive compared to Naruto's. Being a TTJ won't change his taijutsu prowess but just gives him a speed and strength boost. Madara's combat experience is completely irrelevant and has no bearings on his taijutsu prowess. He relies far more on ninjutsu than taijutsu

Guy needing help to avoid Madara's TSBs doesn't change the fact that he was too much for Madara to handle and had to resort to shielding with TSBs

What are you basing this on?

Wood Clone + Susanoo is countered by Naruto's Shadow Clone + Tailed Beast Mode. Nothing suggests that Madara can use jutsus through Limbo. Naruto can quickly overwhelm Madara with a clone barrage of jutsus before Madara can do anything

Are you forgetting that Sasuke was able to blitz Madara too? Madara hasn't done anything to suggest that he will be able to catch Naruti off-guard

Did you not watch the episode? Momoshiki clearly used his power effectively, it just wasn't enough for the duo