Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26107879-20181004003653/@comment-34194151-20181015042735

@Blazerelease Go to the talk chidori talkpage. it's on the same page where the article for the chidori is. You are still free to comment here on the forum with your thoughts though, but if you actually expect a change on the wiki, you have to go to the talk page or consensus board.

@LoneNinja

Lol no.

I just told that user BlazeRelease to not fall for your nonsense about having to edit the wiki in order to post their interpretation on this forum. Editing the wiki is something you brought up. Please Get it through your head. The mods literally just stated that this forum is distinct from the wiki, how is that hard to understand? how is it hard to understand that what you were doing was an obvious intimidation tactic? it didn't cross the line with the moderators because you weren't being vulgar or over the top, but it's still a clear strawman. I wasn't frightened, I was irritated that you literally keep using that fallacy, when you are more than capable of arguing facts logically just like before. No on here needs validation from moderators or other symbols of authority on this site to justify their interpretation of the evidence. I presented my thoughts, used the manga, period. You claimed 'oh, well the wiki doesn't say that, so go on and edit it, walk the walk' and let's see if it actually goes through though', or something along those lines. News flash, even if I did edit it and it was removed, doesn't matter. This forum is distinct from the wiki, Seelentau made that clear. I don't have to edit the wiki successfully in order to state my opinion, nor is my argument automatically any less valid if some or all of the people in charge disagree, period. Those same moderators are looking at both the forum and the wiki anyway, so they can see what I'm saying anyways.

I said it was a fact because somethings are close to the borderline between facts and perceived facts/interpretations. Sometimes I am wrong as well when it comes to the facts, I'm not omniscient nor do I claim to be. I was wrong about obito using izanagi to escape amaterasu, and I accepted the clear evidence that he used kamui. But there are also times just like when that user, kyfie I believe, who was claiming FTG isn't instantenous movement, when we all know it is. But that user misinterpreted a few panels/translation errors/databook errors. that user is wrong, like factually wrong, but is still entitled to their own interpretation and opinion. I didn't go telling that person, oh go edit the wiki. I helped debunk their arguments using panels from the manga, and when they didn't budge, I moved on. I didn't resort to some lame strawman. You disagree with my interpretation of chidori ? fine. But quit the strawman, smh. Smack talk is fine, but only when it's directed at the user's actual arguments, there is is a difference.

You literally did it three times. I cited you evidence for amaterasu burning fast. I addressed the evidence for it burning slowly, and simply came to the conclusion that the jutsu is obviously inconsistent, but saw no reason to look purely at low end of feats over high end feats, but that was whatever, so I dropped the point. But then you go claiming this nonsense about cowardice and editing the wiki.

I showed you on panel, logical evidence from the manga for why the rasenshuriken would be hypersonic levels of speed. offered you the evidence. Did you even think critically about the evidence? doubt it, because, what did you say? something like 'oh, go edit the wiki. Users like to spread fallacy. The fact you haven't edited the wiki with it means your claim is false' news flash, no it doesn't work like that. Forum is distinct from wiki. Wiki even says the jutsu is fast based on the panels i referenced, so you have been debunked. The only thing in question is the consistency of naruto physics, based on what I was told on the talk page. I had no intention to change the wiki, I'm on THESE forums, which is distinct. I cited you the evidence from the manga, period. The wiki may disagree or agree, and you can reference the wiki in your counter-arguments if you like. IF the evidence posted on the wiki makes sense, I'm more than capable of changing my stance, but if it doesn't, I'm not some sheep that can't think for themselves.

Thirdly, you did it here, not only to me but also Blazerelease with this chidori topic. The bottom line is, the wiki clearly tells you the speed at which the jutsu is performed is the greatest asset. The manga tells you what you need to know. LegionZero further debunked the counterarguments by referencing how naruto used rasengan countless times in a straight line without any issues. Minato and Guy's statements still stand. The tunnel vision caused for chidori users still stands. the stabbing speed that pushes the limits of the human body still stands. where is this stabbing speed that pushes the limits of rasengan users? no where to be found. It's clear to me that the tunnel vision issues are exclusive to running with chidori. The wiki clearly tells the speed is the greatest asset. You can easily interpret that statement to mean it provides a speed boost, which is why I argued the wiki says so. Different choice of words, simple. It's an implicit as opposed to a direct and clear statement, which leaves open uncertainty, but uncertainty doesn't suddenly mean you can't put 2 and 2 together and use wisdom to determine what the statement is really saying. The statement doesn't even debunk our argument, which is another reason why this whole wiki thing is another fallacy.