Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36006024-20180926134241/@comment-6769189-20181001093703

Nope2937 wrote:

3rd: Part of his power and talent comes from being Asura's transmigrant. Let's not delude ourself here. Without being Asura's transmigrant, he'll likely only be as strong as Tobirama. Being transmigrant matters. I highly doubt he would only be as strong as Tobirama. Not with Wood release.

Nope2937 wrote:

All of these is not outside power, as the OP proclaimed. TRUE! But does it matter? No. Why? Because at the end of the day, outside forces made Hashirama that powerful, that is his luck to be born that powerful. His healing and Wood release were genetic. His chakra pool arguably can be attributed to Ashura but Senju have a larger than average chakra pool regardless.

Nope2937 wrote:

And let us not shit at Naruto for using Kurama's charkra. The fact that he can synchronize with him is still his own talent and effort. Syncronizing doesnt require talent/skill. Just the tailed beasts cooporation.

Nope2937 wrote:

The fact that he can match Kurama's chakra into his own and distribute it to the rest of the shinobi alliance (and save the alliance) shows his own strength. That was all Kurama's chakra.

Nope2937 wrote:

The very fact that he can use it without going fucking insane now, destroying Kurama's hatred, is a show of his strength. Otherwise He'll burn whenever he use that power. It only burned before before because Kurama didnt like Naruto. Once Kurama was subjigated Kurama's chakra no longer actively hurt him. Using Kurama's chakra wasnt completely safe until Kurama was cooperative.

Nope2937 wrote:

Despite the OP dismissing it as "just Kurama Chakra" it is not. Can Hashirama uses that same powersource like Naruto can? Can madara? No. We dont know if Hashirama can. He never tried. Madara subjigated the juubi. A being stronger and more volitile than any and allvof the 9 Bijuu that make it up.

Madara pre-Rinnegan could take complete control of Kurama. Ig he knew the proper sealing jutsu he could force Kurama to give him the same power he gave Naruto.

Nope2937 wrote:

It's not a stretch to say that without Kurama and all that power-up, Naruto will still find a way to be powerful. But its highly unlikely he would be as powerful

Nope2937 wrote:

Also Obito, since OP bring it up. The fact that he can use Hashirama's cells without going full trees, like Danzo, shows his strength. Not everyone can control that cell. While i dont necissarily disagree, his Hashi cells came from White Zetsu IIRC and they are not as potent as raw Hashirama DNA.

Nope2937 wrote:

The fact that he doesn't get ripped apart by ten tails and successfully become a jinchuuriki still shows his strength. This is mental strength, not physical.

Nope2937 wrote:

No doubt that if Obito survive the 3rd ninja war and go back to Konoha, he'll still find a way to become as strong as his adult self. Obito would never become as strong as he was by 4SWW. For starters, his MS and Kamui(if he ever got them) would barely be usable, he wouldnt have had healing, chakra, or physical amps from Hashi cells.

Nope2937 wrote:

Even Sasuke (and God I hate to be the one to defend him). He's talented (not as talented as Itachi sure, but Itachi was way below him in chakra reserve) and he has to use Itachi's eyes for EMS. But he still cleverly use outside power as his technique (Kirin), isn't that his own strength? I'd like to think yes. and given time, he'll show more of it (but then EMS and Hagoromo Chakra trainwreck come and we're left with the current him). Kirin is and isnt an outside power. Theoretically he can use it without lightning from the sky but either it take A LOT more chakra or just be smaller. Kirin itself isnt an outside power but the lightning he uses is. This shows more resourcefulness on Sasuke's part as opposed to his raw power, which was what made Sasuke so dangerous. Now hes got a ton of hax jutsu.