Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-31948035-20170603210118/@comment-24824859-20170704150644

Vladosaurus wrote: Well, pre-TTJ Marada is actually pretty tough. He has Hashirama's cells, which grants him wood release and Hashirama's regeneration abilities. Also, it would be kind of to fair to give him both of his rinnegans, since well, he's their original weilder. He also has PS, CT and all of that. He was able to dodge a surprise hiraijin attack (yet Naruto with a far superior SM wasn't able to counter ameno, because the hell with the logic). He also has limbo, and if you give him both of his eyes, he can make 4 limbo clones.Not to mention his ridiculous taijutsu. I don't know, pre-TTJ Madara could give anyone a run for their money, especially if he has both rinnegans. And movies always buff character's abilities beyond what they could do canonically. It's not really the best orientation way. Pre-TTJ Madara is not going to give Naruto and Sasuke a run for their money (individually, of course) with or without both Rinnegans. Wood Release will be rendered useless against Blaze Release and Lightning Releass and regeneration won't be a big deal. Sasuke's PS is stronger and has a better application of CT (the targets become the core). Teleportation is instan, but what you do before and after is not. So unless you're saying that Tobirama is faster than Sasuke, then Naruto getting caught off-guard by the Ameno+Chidori combo makes perfect sense. Sasuke can see Limbos just fine, so he can just avoid them. Sasuke's taijutsu is superior to Madara's and you can't just ignore the canon movie feats. Sasuke is just more powerful than pre-TTJ Madara