Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34938099-20180728104553/@comment-34194151-20180729142220

@LegionZero

She has no feats or hype, which makes her nearly killing obito on her first move all the more impressive. They have been around each for at least 15 years if I remember correctly. She had opportunity to analyze his kamui in depth, and countered it perfectly , so I don't know how you can say she isn't intelligent. Obito also spent that time with her, yet he was sneak attacked by her on the first move. That's a feat for Konan.

@everyone As for how itachi can beat kamui, it isn't easy at all it would be with high difficulty. Itachi had no trouble keeping up with EMS Sasuke, kabuto, and killer bee and has shown high speed movements multiple times , he isn't your raikage, Minato or max speed kcm Naruto , but he has the speed and reflexes to compete. But his biggest trump over obito is his jutsu casting speed, which is what he is most known for. Hypothetical scenario : obito can stall with kamui as much as he wants, but that won't get him anywhere, at some point , after reacting to say Itachii's shuriken techniques he will have to take initiative. When he does, let's say that he decided to go for his kamui -style fireball jutsu. As the jutsu is approaching itachi, with his hand seal speed that can't be tracked by the sharing an, he can easily weave a fireball jutsu technique and a shadow clone technique. The fireball counters obito's jutsu. Obito is stronger so his fireball pushes through. Itachi is losing, but just like he did against Sasuke , he can chain another attack but instead of amaterasu, he sends the totuska blade through the fire. Obito is tangible while he is using any warping techniques as proven in the Canon. The blade was also so fast that Kabuto couldn't mentally react to have Nagato use almighty push to save himself from the stab, and itachi was a good distance away when that happened too. But with obito's reflexes he could turn on his tangobiltly time. Except if itachi times it right, the shadow clone he conjures will be in obito's blind spot and detonates behind him, as the totuska blade emerges through the fireball to stab him not a second later. Basically, the clone explosion from his blind spot would be enough to disorient him while he is already experiencing reduced focus from his kamui-style fireball. Now, this isn't guaranteed to hit either , because obito has some insane reflexes , but even he won't likely be able to avoid it because itachi has canonically shown to get clones in his opponents blind spot. Look at his part one fight with Kakashi for example. So if this gambit fails initially, the fight will go down fast for itachi because he has already split his stamina and failed to get the kill, but even then it's still not over. He simply has to play his cards right.

Also, if obito tries to tag itachi in close quarters, for the kamui warp , his insane hand seal speed can counter it with crow style substitution , meaning the instant obito touches him crows take his place. Itachi can then appear behind him, but obito would be able to defend with kamui against any counter attack , but itachi can try using tactics such as I listed to hopefully eventually tag him.