Talk:Shinjutsu

Other Shinjutsu
Now that we have this new jutsu type, should the previous techniques used by the Ōtsutsuki members be classified as shinjutsu now or… ? OmegaRasengan (talk) 15:40, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * It was actually quite obvious that Otsutsuki techniques aren't Ninjutsu, since Otsutsuki are no Ninja and Indra invented it. Since Indra invented Ninjutsu, this must mean Hagoromo's techniques were Shinjutsu, what complicates matters is, that in the anime he can use Senjutsu from Toads and Susanoo and we list Susanoo as Ninjutsu... also are Rinnegan techniques also Shinjutsu now?Elve Talk Page 05:26, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Kishimoto making a mess of continuity, in other breaking news, water is wet. This isn't really a new mess, since stuff like Chibaku Tensei and Amenominaka were listed a ninjutsu despite predating Indra's turning ninshu into ninjutsu. I think trying to decide what Rinnegan stuff is or isn't would be a mess. I think it depends on whose Rinnegan we're talking about. My immediate thought is that shinjutsu seems to be kekkei mora by another name. That just showed up in the fourth databook with no explanation on what it actually was. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:02, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I think at the very least all non-hybrid Otsutsuki techniques(everything Kaguya, Momoshiki, Kinshiki, and Urashiki had unique to them) should qualify as Shinjutsu by default. Rinne-Sharingan definitely counts(even though I personally dont think its any different than other rinnegan) Rinnegan techniques used by humans and hybrids(Amenotejikara and Limbo) should count as well. the six paths techniques are a bit more questionable and seem to be exclusive to the purple Rinnegan used by human hybrids and non-existent in pure Otsutsuki as of now. Mangekyo Sharingan is another questionable one as those abilities predate ninjutsu, are not used the same as ninjutsu, and seem to be derivative of Rinnegan abilities however no known Sharingan abilities have been shown used by pure Otsutsuki outside of hybrids like Hagoromo using Susanoo. Tenseigan is completely up in air, only two known users(one of which isn't even exactly confirmed) who were both hybrids and all abilities shown seem to be a mix of six paths sagejutsu and Shinjutsu-like abilities. Personally I think that all Otsutsuki, Rinnegan, and Mangekyo Sharingan qualify as Shinjutsu due to them predating ninjutsu and defying laws of reality that ordinary ninjutsu cannot accomplish. zacharyman1mil - Talk 3:47, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

The Eyes
Now that we have more information, I'd like to discuss what to do with the eye articles. I previously changed Senrigan's infobox from the genetic to a jutsu one because we had no information on what exactly it was, kkg or scientific ninja tool, considering Ada's status as a cyborg tinkered with by Amado. Isshiki's dojutsu were genetic infobox from the start because there was no indication scientific ninja tools were involved in it. Since with the Isshiki eye we had a genetic infobox for the eye and jutsu infoboxes for the actual jutsu, I think it's appropriate to change Senrigan back to the genetic infobox, since we know have quite explicit confirmation those can be transplanted through DNA. Thoughts? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:02, 24 November 2022 (UTC)