Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170909171417/@comment-33308438-20171011110417

LegionZero wrote: Tobirama was still stated to be the fastest ninja alive during his time. When Hiruzen was in his prime.

99% of genjutsu except Inifinite Tsukuyomi can be broken with chakra control.

Enma is only had as a staff. If he is separated from Hiruzen he will be forced to become a monkey and from that point Minato's summons can deal with him. The time it takes for Hiruzen to heave hand signs Minato will already about to take the kill shot. If Minato is trapped he will simply teleport out.

Kakashi was confident, that doesnt mean he actually stood a chance of hitting Minato with anything. Sasuke was confident he could take Itachi out with a Chidori in the chunin exams but when it came time to actually do it he failed. Miserably. Confidence=/=capable. If Kakashi was that fast he wouldnt have lost his eye nor would Obito have "died"

EMS Sasuke was never said to be anywhere near Tobirama/Minato speed. So the comparison to Hiruzen is moot.

Hashirama and Tobirama got hit by Juubito as he passed between them while Hiruzen stood shocked and unresponsive on the otger side of Tobirama. Then Juubito merced Hiruzen while he was unable to respond. That entire scene was Hiruzen standing there, barely able to follow Juubito's movements. You really ought to reread that chapter because it played out nothing like you described.

Sasuke never said he was confident in beating itachi, so you cant be sure. He was just acting with rage back then.

Enma can transform as a staff and remain like that. Not to mention it can hit minato bcuz of hiruzen's 4 after images causing hand reflexes, even A caused only one after image.

Orochimaru was near minato's level in speed as hiruzen put oro over minato to be hokage. Hiruzen could fight oro with kusanagi at a weakened old age. Enough for handling minato and gis ftg tags.

Sasuke is not that fast? Sakura and naruto couldnt see him when he came shoulder to shoulder in beginning part 1. The databook says godlike speed for both A and Sasuke's profile, clearly indicating his high level speed. Only says "his speed takes away the breath of Akatsuki members" clearly meaning he was faster than most akatsuki members (except itachi, since he wasn't actually a member, he was double agent) His speed was so fast he could intercept juugo and suigetsu just before they clashed with each other , both of them are speedsters , juugo could even tackle V1 raikage , he just cannot control his powers so his speed was lowered. Cee complimented them on that.

So there you go 69 year old power restricted edo tensei hiruzen was faster than EMS sasuke.

Was also fast enough to appear at the same time as FTG to the destination.

You're one seriously misled guy, if you think chakra control is something which breaks genjutsu. What is necessary is power which is proportional to stamina. More stamina, more power and Naruto clearly had more stamina than entire konoha but couldnt break out of finger genjutsu. Not to mention, he cannot break it in time even if kurama breaks it as even a perfect jinchuuriki like BEE took a lot of time.