Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-27418151-20160521030355/@comment-28483245-20160521154813

Thekillman wrote: Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: Tobirama Senju will win for sure imho. Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi requires a brief charging period, which is enough time for Tobirama to create Shadow Clones and use Water Release: Exploding Water Colliding Wave Doubtful. People with rinnegan have detected the buildup of chakra in the eye in order to counter it, but other than that there's barely any noticeable effect. In this battle, Amaterasu is far more powerful as a defensive than an offensive jutsu. It either limits his movements to more predictive ways, destroys Hiraishin markings to limit that jutsu, or it plain destroys water jutsu. It would inevitably force Tobirama to deal with the flames. I know it's more advertised as an offensive technique, but even in the fight with Itachi it was proven to be hard to hit.

Especially Tobirama's water release is problematic for him, since the heat of Amaterasu and tobirama's water would easily prepare Kirin, which cannot be evaded.

It would inevitably come down to the problem that Tobirama would have to hit Sasuke, and Sasuke can always defend himself with Amaterasu and Susanoo. Stamina is no issue here: Itachi could form the ribcage in the time Sasuke fired Kirin, so he can always flicker it on and off as needed. MS Sasuke was testing the limits of Susanoo, but EMS Sasuke was clearly wiser and more restrained in it's use.

I think it comes down to how much prior knowledge the two have of each other. In a limited information case, Hiraishin's secrets are more powerful than Mangekyou's. (Since nobody realistically thinks highly of a marked kunai, whereas special eyes go all the way back to the Sage of Six Paths himself).

The question is, can Sasuke afford to use Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi all the time while Tobirama tries to decapitate or slash through him? Does he have the chakra reserves? Yes it's true, but when a powerful water and fire technique of equal powers collide, they usually create steam. The steam itself cannot be used as a source of immense heat to create the cumulonimbi required for Kirin, so Sasuke would have to shoot fireballs at the sky. One more thing about kirin: when collided, a water and fire based technique, are more playing to Tobirama's needs, as he would blitz Sasuke with hiraishingiri. Also, if Tobirama in close quarters combat marks the uchiha with his FTG mark, it's game over.