Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31948035-20170701223045/@comment-31611719-20170703100251

Bipedmango wrote: pain and jiraiya are stronger than kisame as stated in part 1 and therefore stronger than bee also the only reason Naruto lost to pain is bc his chakra wasn't healthy and he had to fight multiple konoha ninja prior to Naruto showing up and then he had to fight fukasaku shima and the other toads while fighting Naruto and still almost won while jiraiya fought pain in his prime and almost won putting him either on the same level as Naruto at that point in time or maybe even slightly above. making jiraiya the victor in my opinion First of all,B was stronger than kisame,but he could not enter the tail beast mode because of that guy and racoon.Second kisame is a hard counter to all tailed beasts.