User talk:YamazakiSusumu

YamazakiSusumu, Kira Hachi is the only thing we've heard the character refer to himself by. Even if it's not his real name. Please leave that alone until more information shows up. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Aug 2, 2008 @ 16:35 (UTC)
 * Everyone on the talkpage has referred to him as Kira Hachi, and members of the community have reverted your changes. This has nothing to do with my opinions, this has to do with the fact that you are a single editor editing a page in a way that the rest of the community voices against or does not voice at all. If this is something important, then please take it to the talkpage and civilly discuss this with the other editors to establish a concensus. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Aug 2, 2008 @ 16:46 (UTC)
 * I already have left a message on the Discussion page and it has been ignored so far. I'm the only one that is right. You guys made this name. I can read the Japanese right to you and you'll see that it does NOT say Kira Hachi. It's your pitiful fan name. Encyclopedias are supposed to be accurate. It appears that I'm the only one that cares about that. I left a message on your Talk page.
 * Well, it's your loss for blocking me from this page. Say goodbye to any accuracy this page might've had a chance for. I'm not hostile either. Check the Discussion and you'll see that I tried to talk about it YESTERDAY. YamazakiSusumu 16:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As I said, this has nothing to do with the information. The issue here is that the community members decided that even though it's not his name we would refer to him as until we got more information. And despite that you aggressively revert warred with other users. Yes, information is important, but it's also important to be civil. The correct way to handle a situation like this would be to go to the talkpage and wait. The message you posted on the talkpage was hostile rather than constructive, and you never gave time for other community members to show up and input feedback. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Aug 2, 2008 @ 16:55 (UTC)
 * You clearly don't understand what hostile is, then. My original message on the Discussion page had a few capitalized words to show emphasis. Because I knew that I was right and I noticed so many other errors on the page (including how he likes to be referred to -- which you had it completely opposite -- and countless spelling errors), I took the initiative to change it myself. If you know anything about professionalism and online encyclopedia standards, you do not name an article after a consensus for a made-up name. The name itself proves that no one editing this page knows anything about Japanese and I even question their knowledge on the topic itself. Without my edits, this page is a sorry mess.YamazakiSusumu 17:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Use of CAPSLOCK in the internet community is considered to indicate shouting, do understand that people may consider comments where you use it to be hostile. You may want to try using italic or bold if something is in dire need of emphasis, but in most cases emphasis speaks for itself. But that's not the only reason I marked you as hostile, your move comments also contained remarks which can indicate hostility.
 * It's nice when people take the initiative to edit, but you re-edited after another user undid your edit. In that case the proper thing to do is discuss. You posted one message and did not wait for more community members to show up. Believe me, we do have active contributors, wait a day or two and someone will post a new comment giving feedback.
 * Online encyclopedia standards differ, especially in this area. Information is often loosely defined and because of that we need to consider alternate ways of handling the information that we do have, while waiting for more clearly defined information. But the thing to remember about wiki is that standards are made by the community at the wiki, not as a global, and not by the wiki next door. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Aug 2, 2008 @ 17:30 (UTC)
 * I hope your happy with false information, then. People will come here to find out more about the Hachibi only to find that made-up name and a poorly written article. Someone even put kanji for that supposed name which I can assure you have never appeared in the manga. 鯱蜂　Do you realize that the first kanji means "killer whale"? Whoever put that there didn't know what they were doing. There's proof of the guesswork right here: You know, I really do not know. I just looked in a translator and put in Killer (Kira-) and Bee (Hachi) and combined them. It worked in my mind so I didn't push the issue. This is a joke. YamazakiSusumu 17:43, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not at all, information is the communities business. My business is making sure that community meshes together rather than fights, and carrying out actions they request. Rome wasn't built in a day, neither is good information. That particular article has only been up for a week, and the character's appearance in the story is rather recent. There is plenty of time for the information to mature. Rather than posting this kind of information here, right now. It would have been better to post them to the talkpage instead of hitting the undo button. My concern is not the information, that will rectify itself in time if there really is an issue. It's the fact that you reverted rather than discussed with the rest of the community. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Aug 2, 2008 @ 17:51 (UTC)

Hopeless... This whole wiki is a fucking joke. Have fun.YamazakiSusumu 17:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Just in case you were wondering what I had hoped to achieve by this conversation. If you have actually left you won't even get this message, talk notifications aren't homing trackers, they're notifications for people that actively go to the wiki. I had hoped to see some understanding of why I took the actions I did, or of how the wiki community and policies here worked. This had nothing to do with the information in question, in fact, undoubtedly in a few days the rest of the community will start discussing the name to refer to the character by. Rather I hoped to see if you were willing and had the attitude to calmly give the information you have to the community and help establish a consensus at that point in time.
 * Sorry if any of the attitude profiling pushed you in any way, but I did try to stay objective while discussing with you. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Aug 2, 2008 @ 18:24 (UTC)
 * And what was the point of banning me permanently... ? I know it didn't say that before. It was August 17th before. Also, if the so called "community" is going to discuss the name, they still won't come up with a correct conclusion because they don't know what they're talking about to begin with. You're acting like you assume that I don't know how a wiki works. I contribute on Wikipedia.org all the time on the Naruto and Bleach pages. More people there can actually read Japanese like I do, so a huge mistake like this never would've happened in the first place. If you think your decision to ban me permanently was a good idea, then fine, but realize that you're losing a contributor that can actually write a comprehensive sentence and can read the original source text. YamazakiSusumu 20:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)