Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170909171417/@comment-33308438-20171011125239

LegionZero wrote: Rage or not Sasuke thought he stood a chance.

You are missing the point about Enma. If he is separated from Hiruzen and stays a staff he is useless, because he is inanimate as a staff. If he goes into his monkey form, Minatos toads will keep him seperated from Hiruzen.

Hiruzen did not make it to the battlefield at the same time as FTG. Matter of fact Minato did not use FTG to get to The 4th war battlefield. Minato uses Shunshin at least part of the way, marked a buncha places on the battlefield and had a mini convo then the rest of the Hokage showed up. Hiruzen is nowhere near as fast as you say, and neither is Sasuke.

Suigetsu is not a speedster. Juugo never tackled anyone. He got tackckled. Being fast or noted as beimg fast doesnt automatically mean someone is Minato level speed or even close. Just means faster than average.

Genjutsu can be broken by disrupting ones own chakra flow(stated on chapter 259) Naruto couldnt break Itachis finger genjutsu because he was not skilled enough at that time to stop his flow.

You need to double check the manga before making the claims that you do, because either you are misremembering or deliberately making up and misconstruing events. Sasuke knows he never stood a chance as he himself in part 2 stated to team 7. He said even if oro and he himself teamed up against itachi, they wouldnt win.

Sasuke's speed takes away the breath of akatsuki members, which is a fact and even deidara had to somehow control his movements as he himself said so he took flight. Hidan was pushing kakashi to defense, so put Sasuke faster than kakashi in part two. Not to mention kakuzu was manhandling kakashi too, so Sasuke is even above him in speed.

You didnt read it fully, did you? How do you disrupt your chakra control exactly?yes, by applying more power which naruto has. Kakashi stated in part 1 that naruto should concentrate on power and not in chakra control since he has a lot of stamina, which he trained with jiraiya for 3 years not to mention if chakra control was really the answer(which is outright wrong) then Naruto could've breezed through the genjutsu since his chakra control was excellent, as he mastered the rasengan and went on to learn the rasenshuriken , all of which require exceptional chakra control on the level of a medical nin stated in databook.

Enma can appear from the staff, in a semi-body form as he did in oro fight , and hiruzen has enough skill to create 4 after images with enma staff so his reaction speed is more than enough to catch minato in Kyuubi mode since even at an old age he was keeping up with oro, who was above minato and close to his speed.

Minato used ftg to teleport himself along with gamabunta and two others, thats when hiruzen footspeed matched minato.