Talk:Sakura Haruno/Archive 7

Sakura Uchiha?
Can someone point to me where the confirmation of her last being "Uchiha" is? Along with Hinata being "Uzumaki" as well? (AtlantisUchiha (talk) 08:17, February 25, 2018 (UTC))
 * They are married to Sasuke and Naruto, why should we need confirmation that they took their husband's surname? Furthermore, if I'm not mistaken Sakura has the Uchiha crest on the back of her shirt, now. Gilgamesh85 (talk) 08:38, February 25, 2018 (UTC)
 * There are sources at the top of her infobox. • Seelentau 愛 議 08:43, February 25, 2018 (UTC)

Sakura Hiden and her status as kunoichi
Sakura came up with the idea of the Clinic for Children's Mental Health. Ino supported and assisted her in this because the paperworl was too much for Sakura alone. They do not open the clinic together. In addiiton to this, during Sakura Hiden, Sai and Ino travel to one of Kido's hideouts but Ino is not able to locate Sakura and they decide to gather intel from the guard. It is Sakura who suggests separating Magire from Kido.

The third databook states implicitly that Sakura has surpassed Tsunade in terms of Medical Nijutsu. It is Shikaku the one that says Tsunade is the most powerful kunoichi in chapter 172. This was during her prime.
 * I'm looking at Viz translation right now, and he makes no distinction about her prime, he just states she's the most powerful woman alive. You're going to have to be more specific when mentioning the databook. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:05, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Sakura Haruno and her status as kunoichi 2
The fourth databook, Jin no Sho, page 146 states that she surpassed her master in terms of medicine.

Also, you need to complete her information about the 3 characters that implicitly say she will surpass Tsunade: Kakashi (ch. 246), Chiyo (ch. 279) and Hashirama (ch. 632). Understanding the laid context isn’t difficult. Kakashi sais that the new generation will surpass the previous. It was just part of the theme of Team 7 surpassing their masters.

The base is presented but you don't want to show it. Respectfuldebunker (talk) 22:39, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Not really, databook doesn't say it. The passage you keep mentioning in the databook is as somewhat as follows: Unless I'm missing some translation nuance (which is possible), there's nothing about becoming "the best", only that she become a medical-nin very fast. Kakashi's mention of her becoming like Tsunade from chapter 246 is already mentioned and referenced in the first paragraph of her ability section, along with a reference to Jiraiya saying the same from the previous chapter. Hashirama's from chapter 632 is also already referenced in the same sentence. The only one not in the article is Chiyo's, which for the same sentence, might be redundant, even if correct. I protected the article because beyond your pointless revert war for stuff that's mostly already in it, your edits also introduced reference errors and messed with translation templates at the top of the article. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:58, 26 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Whatever the fourth databook might say, which was written when Naruto finished, there is no denying that Sakura had caught up with Tsunade in every aspect. The Fifth trained her in medicine and taijutsu, by the time Sakura unlocked her master's legacy, the Strength of a Hundred, Sakura had equaled her. And I say equal because the Wiki doesn't particularly say that she surpassed her ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. That moment, when Team 7 performed the new Three Way Deadlock, was when they had taken their masters' places. The new generation will always surpass the previous. I think it would be fair to add that not only she becomes one of the greatest medical-nin, but also one of the strongest kunoichi, because Tsunde was recognized as the strongest.


 * Also, I don't understand why you say Chiyo's statement might be redundant. You could easily add a another reference along with what was already written in the second paragraph of her abilities in medical ninjutsu. The page can use more than one reference per statement. The difference here is that Kakashi admits Sakura would eventually surpass Tsunade remarking her chakra control; Chiyo admits Sakura would surpass Tsunade remarking her skills as a medic and the use of poisons and antidotes; and Hashirama comments she might be stronger than Tsunade based on her strength alone.


 * With this, I'm actually not adding any new information, but clarifying. It is up to you to add it, but I think it's important. Also, I can't seem to answer your previous responses and I have to open a new discussion page. Sorry about that. Respectfuldebunker (talk) 12:19, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Naruto mentions him not going back on his word is his ninja way several times, to several people. We don't need to mention and reference every single way. That multiple characters similarly note that Sakura will surpass Tsunade also requires no excess of note, whether they're commenting on her generally, or on a specific aspect of her ability, even more so when following paragraphs go into further detail of what Sakura is capable of doing regarding those aspects. And Chiyo in 279 says "so few women possess such strong spirit, you'll likely surpass your master", in the Viz translation. She says nothing about any specific skill. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:54, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Sakura Hiden
Hello, I want to add that the info of "Sakura and Ino Yamanaka opened a clinic within the Konoha Hospital that would assess and treat children's mental health" is wrong.

In chapter 1, Sakura and her best friend, Ino Yamanaka, leave a conference inside Konoha Hospital. This conference about the development of the clinic within a year and about policies and plans. In page 21, it is mentioned that Sakura came up with the idea of the Clinic “…Sakura proposed to the upper ranks the creation of a department […] specializing in the care of children’s hearts and minds”.

Her teacher, Tsunade Senju, supports the idea she had come up with. (p.22)

In the same page, Ino is mentioned to have offered Sakura support "There were far too many things for Sakura to do them all by herself, but her old classmate Yamanaka Ino brought help".

Two sentences above confirms that "With Ino's help and six months of preparation, Sakura managed to open the children's therapy center".

In chapter 2, now in Sunagakure, Sakura leads the conference about the Clinic she opened in Konoha "Sakura spoke first to the twenty or so people gathered there about the children's therapy center in Konohagakure...". Ino offers details from time to time because Sakura is nervous "No matter how many times she did it, she could never quite get used to speaking in front of a large group, but thanks to Ino stepping in from time to time to offer additional information, the talk went smoothly".

In chapter 3, we get more confirmations about Sakura and her project from Kakashi "It's been a year and a half since Haruno Sakura proposed and launched the children's therapy center". Koharu asks for Sakura to get more information from her directly "I'd like to hear a few more details about this from Haruno Sakura, but she's currently not in the village...".

In chapter 8, a group of medics approach the group where Sakura and Ino are included and demand Sakura's attention "The medical ninja of Sunagakure have come with a number of questions about the children's therapy center". Ino offers to accompany Sakura but she refuses "I'll come too?", "Mm, it's okay. I'll take care of it".

Ino offered direct support but she didn't open the clinic and the novel makes clear mention of it.

Respectfuldebunker (talk) 20:11, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Novel stuff is usually lacking because it's harder to find, and getting through them requires more of a time commitment that most are willing compared to individual chapters and episodes. The fact you refer to Tsunade as "Tsunade Senju", when she has never used the clan name as a family name in any source, however, does not inspire confidence. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:08, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, I added the Senju on a whim, my mistake, sorry. She is never addressed as Senju but she is the granddaughter of the First Hokage. That wasn't my point.

Novel stuff isn't lacking and it's not hard to find, there are multiple sources with the original translation of Jocelyn Allen which was published in 2016 (ISBN 978-1-42-158442-3). I didn't make up the information above, it is in the novel. However, I don't know if you wrote this page or not, you are the only person responding to messages, so if you say that novel stuff is lacking, you wrote the Sakura Hidden summary without reading the novel. Ino assisted and offered voluntary support but never once does the novel say that "Ino and Sakura opened the Clinic". It says "Sakura opened the Clinic" and lines below Sakura says it was tanks to Ino's assistance.

My point isn't wrong, it's very easy to get a copy of Sakura Hiden, you just don't want to change it.

Respectfuldebunker (talk) 13:06, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

For the admins of this page
It's not the first time I address these points but I really want to be thorough here and expose what you are doing as administrators and in comparison with other character's pages.

I'm not a fan of Wiki pages, because, from the last times I have interacted with you, you have demonstrated to be biased against some characters, in this case, Sakura Haruno. Let me explain why things written on this page are incomplete or straight out wrong, even after years of information being officially out and translated by professionals.

Previously, I stated that Sakura Haruno is the best medical-nin of Konoha, surpassing her master Tsunade and stated in the 4th databook page 146 (Jin no Sho). When I said this information, an administrator had the audacity to contradict the translation by saying:

"Not really, databook doesn't say it. The passage you keep mentioning in the databook is as somewhat as follows: "Originally from Tsunade, and also her sister disciple Shizune, [she] received jutsu instruction, growing into a Konoha medical ninja in a blink of an eye." (綱手はもとより姉弟子・シズネからも術の手ほどきを受け、瞬く間に木ノ葉きつての医療忍者として成長を遂げた., Tsunade wa motoyori anedeshi Shizune karamo jutsu no tehodoki o uke, matatakumani Konoha kitsute no iryōninja to shite seichō o togeta.) Unless I'm missing some translation nuance (which is possible), there's nothing about becoming "the best", only that she become a medical-nin very fast".

Exposing that you might be missing a translation nuance is no reason enough to discredit what says in the databook, so the point becomes invalid. I personally can't believe what this administrator said. But, of course, you have the power in this Wiki, and whatever truth people throw here will be automatically erased by you, or countered with some poor excuse. A translation that is similar to Temari's feat of being "The best Wind-Style user of Sunagakure", from The Last: Naruto the Movie guidebook (Retsu no Sho), is being used in the last sentence of the last paragraph of her Ninjutsu description. That is also a fan translation. But there's no issue with that apparently. As opposed with Sakura, independently of saying "Following in her master's footsteps, others remarked that Sakura would inevitably surpass Tsunade" from the first paragraph of her Abilities description, it's then not made it a reality even with the fourth databook, page 146 (Jin no Sho). Three people saying she would surpass Tsunade means that she is the best medic-nin in Konoha, not "[she] becomes recognised as one of the greatest medical-nin in the world" from her first description. Why can't the fact that "Sakura is the best medical-nin in Konoha, surpassing her master" be written then?

The fact that she is the best is also said in the novelization of The Last: Naruto the Movie with "The best medical-ninja in Konohagakure 木ノ葉隠れの里随一の医療忍者 Konoha gakurenosato zuiichi no iryō ninja " and also in the novel Konoha Hiden: The Perfect Day for a Wedding chapter 5 (that part is not even described in this Wiki's summary, I wonder why). So, you not only have the manga, but also the fourth databook, page 146 (Jin no Sho) and two novels.

And please, don't say "Novel stuff is usually lacking because it's harder to find, and getting through them requires more of a time commitment that most are willing compared to individual chapters and episodes", because there are people in charge for writing summaries of the novels in this page and they offer a link to the page where you can get the novel from. This argument is hilarious. Also, there is information expanded from characters that come directly from the novels and there is no issue with them.

It's very weird that it's written in Sakura Haruno's page that she can use fūinjutsu, sensory jutsu and Fire Release from a novel that hasn't been officially translated, meaning that fan translations are actually acceptable accoring to the administrators. Then the point of extracting the original Japanese from the fourth databook, page 146 (Jin no Sho) and saying "a nuance might have been missed" is a very poor excuse. There are other examples in which a fan translated novel is enough to empower a character, which is, again, Temari's case with Konoha Hiden: The Perfect Day for a Wedding chapter 3, where it is stated, according to the administrator in charge of that, that "she might possibly be the best Wind user". And it's actually written there despite the novel saying "she was recognised as the best Wind Release user in Suna, and possibly the world", a possibility becomes more credible that the fourth databook, page 146 (Jin no Sho), two novels that have the same plot weight, and 3 characters from the manga. I wonder why Sakura's feat becomes invalid but no other character's? Just add the truth: Sakura is the best medical-nin in Konoha and she has surpassed Tsunade.

Another problem is that, with Sakura Hiden: Thoughts of Love, Riding Upon a Spring Breeze, translated since 2016 that Sakura Haruno opened the Therapy Center, not Sakura and Ino, to which I was refuted with "Novel stuff is usually lacking because it's harder to find, and getting through them requires more of a time commitment that most are willing compared to individual chapters and episodes". Are you serious? There are links to buy the novels in the templates offered in the profile. You are telling me where to find and buy the novel. Honestly, I can't believe what has been said. Ino Yamanaka didn't open the facility, she only helped Sakura and it is said numerous times in the novel, and it's taking away the credits of the actual founder. Also, the Wiki profile is offering false information, because Sakura isn't the Director of the Konoha Children Mental Health Clinic, there is nothing in the novel, or even the anime, that could potentially indicate that. She is the founder of that department. Even so, the official name is Therapy Center (子ども心療室 in the novel), stated by Viz Media, the publisher, not a fan translation made several years ago.

In any case, episode 167 of Boruto indicates that Sakura is the Director of Konoha Hospital, because that is the hospital, not the "Konoha Children Mental Health Clinic", every time the Konoha Hospital makes an appearance it's very clear because they offer a panel of the renewed building. This s also connected with the last paragraph of the New Era section, where it says that "she became director of the Medical Clinic and its top healer". What is a Medical Clinic? Using two different names to designate the same thing, the "Konoha Children Mental Health Clinic" written in her profile? Or is it talking about the Konoha Hospital? The information is very confusing. What about "its top healer" then? That is saying that she is the best medical-nin, again, but not making it clear in her profile directly. That information is invented when it's much more easy to just write "she surpassed Tsunade and is the best medical-nin of Konoha".

The Wiki information becomes more unreliable and biased the more I read. I would like to know how does Sakura become the Director of the Konoha Children Mental Health Clinic when the anime doesn't even make reference to it. She is the Head of the Medical Department (described as 医療部門の責任者 in episode 152) and the Director of Konoha Hospital, because there is only one medical facility. The same happens with the Therapy Center: she is the founder of that branch, not its Director, because she says she doesn't work there, and, ever since, there has been no further information about it, less about any direction.

Please don't say that nothing indicates that she's the Director of Konoha Hospital because at least I'm using the actual names and not inventing information. That sentence clearly wanted to describe Sakura as the Director of Konoha Hospital but another invented name was used in its place (Medical Clinic), not to mention that the referenced is missed (it's episode 167).

The only reason I have written this very long post is to explain why I am deeply disappointed with this Wiki's job, because you're offering wrong information, addressing official translation wrongly, and omitting official statements made by the author and supervised by the author. Why is it acceptable to write "Following in her master's footsteps, others remarked that Sakura would inevitably surpass Tsunade" but then not saying that she surpassed Tsunade. Do you see what has been done there? What is the problem with Sakura Haruno and people's hatred towards her? This is supposed to be a Wiki for information but the truth has been omitted on purpose.

Needless to say, the lack of official sources and translations and the lack of information makes this profile very incomplete and unreliable.

Respectfuldebunker (talk) 13:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm not biased against characters. What I am on the look out for actually is the constant overhyping that I have historically seen in this fandom, with a constant need to use superlative wording. What I do keep a closer eye on is whenever an user shows a particularly narrow focus on any given subject, which is again informed by experience of having seen it happen many times over the years with many different characters, and which I have seen you display not only with Sakura, but also with Hinata, where you also engaged in a revert war with another user. You brought up the 4th databook profile translation. I contested it because I have bookmarked raws for that databook, and took painstaking effort to provide the original text of the passage you mentioned so others can independently verify the translation, precisely the point of my mentioning the possibility of nuances I don't know. I do not know about which translation was for Temari's ninjutsu section, but your claim of which source was used is incorrect. The source at the moment points to chapter 3 of Konoha Hiden: The Perfect Day for a Wedding, not the Retsu no Sho. You're equating "surpassing Tsunade" with "being a better medical-nin than Tsunade", which while a fair assumption, goes beyond what is actually mentioned in the other sources you previously mentioned yourself. She can still be a better overall kunoichi than Tsunade without necessarily eclipsing her as a medical-nin. Sakura being one of the greatest medical-nin in the world doesn't necessarily mean she's better than Tsunade. This is similar to how different Sharingan and MS genjutsu have been described as "ultimate genjutsu", or how different jutsu have been called "Absolute Defence". If those passages from chapter 5 of Perfect Day for a Wedding and The Last novelization (movie novelizations are also difficult to find info on) do unambiguously single her out as Konoha's best medical-nin, please do add them with proper references. You wonder why no one's added them before? Like I said, I have not read the novels, as have not many other users, we can't add what we don't know. Interest in the franchise in general tanked when the Naruto manga ended, so there's even fewer people in the intersection of still being interested, having read the novels, and willing to edit the wiki. Several established users stopped editing. You seem to have this idea that there's this conspiracy to libel a fictional character. There is not. I can't speak for other editors, but I don't go out of my way to get and add novel info because I already put in effort making sure chapter and episode articles exist in a good middle ground between informative and non-bloated, and looking up new VAs when they need to be added to credit templates, and making sure character articles stick to stuff the character actually does instead of having the entire episode summarised when a character just appears in one scene, and comparing different subtitle sources to look for kanji when there's new jutsu, and checking to see if mobile game info on jutsu is correct when it gets added (it often is not). Have I missed something? Guess what, I'm not a machine. You take issue with which novel translation was used? Great, look up to see if there's a topic that discussed it in talk page and archives to see if it was discussed, go through the article history to find out who added it and ask them. I usually try to check these as soon as they get added, because it's easy to forget later. The instances where I'm not as strict with these is when the user adding the information is an established editor, with a history of being reliable. About the institutions she's founded or is part of, once again, have not read the novels. Being a hospital's top healer means you're the best in that hospital, not necessarily the entire village, but since you've mentioned the Konoha Hiden chapter 5 and The Last novelization, I guess that supersedes the her being the best in the hospital. You seem to be confused about what the wiki is. This is not a source of information, it's a resource of information. What Sakura is or isn't, can or can't do, it's not because we list it. If other people aren't interested enough to add novel stuff, that's not on us. If you find it lacking, make the properly sourced, formatted, and explained additions without messing up other references and templates like you did before. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 05:46, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

@Respectfuldebunker Please take the time to read Omni's comments in its entirety. The wiki has worked very hard to make certain that the trolling and irresponsible edits are waned. And I'd like to add to the point that many established editors are no longer here. I've edited for some time and only recently started again, adding here and there on things that catch my notice. And while the novels have become a recognised source of material not everyone cares enough to read them. I've read some of them in my spare time, but not to any significance to add in much material.

Anyways, point is, if you find updated information the best thing to do is add it with appropriate references. If there's something contradicting or breaks templates or whatever, make a post about it in the Talkpage, like you did here. But please don't take the opportunity to vent and rant about how dissatisfied you are. See a problem? Fix it. Need some help? Ask an admin. I'm sure he would have been willing to dialogue in a cordial manner about the issue. I've seen enough to know that Omni has done a lot more for this wiki than anyone else currently in acting leadership and it's been that way for years. --Koto Talk Page-My Contributions 12:52, 24 April 2022 (UTC)