Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34277398-20180509212801/@comment-33308438-20180514084849

It&#039;s Not Johnny wrote: Itachi has never been shown mind controlling anybody except for some girl who wasn't even a ninja. Obito, meanwhile, controlled a Perfect Jinchuriki. Obito is nothing more than a nuisance portrayal wise? I'm starting to doubt you watched the series. I wonder if that's why Itachi called him his teacher and stated he needed the EMS to surpass him. Obito reacted to the Fourth Raikage, Hebi and MS Sasuke, KCM Naruto, and BM Naruto. He showed better speed feats than Itachi. So Itachi can dodge Kamui, despite it being fast enough to let Obito escape from KCM Naruto? I laughed once you said that Obito couldn't dodge Itachi, considering he can literally pass through all attacks. Please try to keep bias out of these debates... Whether it hasnt happened in canon or not doesnt matter. Itachi's Susanoo Sword has been stated to cut anything does that mean because it hasnt cut Perfect Susanoo it cant cut it? No. Lets not go there. Lets take statements and feats with equal respect. We're comparing someone who barely got screentime with someone who got the War arc including a skirmish with Kaguya to show off his abilities. Plus most of his opponents have claimed he wasnt going all out in nearly all thier fights.

What you said doesnt make sense. Obito said he waited so long for itachi to die to carry out his plans [] yet Itachi needs the EMS to surpass Obito? Cant you see the fact itachi is blatantly lying? We are aware of the fact Kabuto has stated itachi is a liar and a genius of lying at that. Just like he said Tsukuyomi can be broken by blood uchiha when that makes zero shred of sense. How do you break something by being connected by blood? Kakashi debunked his lie when he claimed Itachi's mangekyou sharingan cannot be dispelled[] let alone tsukuyomi. Dont say he was talking about non uchiha when we have the fact he wouldve mentioned uchiha can break it otherwise. This coming from a man who experienced Tsukiyomi firsthand. Obito isnt breaking MS illusion.

Edo tensei revives people weaker than when they died. That proves edo itachi was weaker than sick itachi. Though he had the benefit of great stamina and chakra reserves. Stamina and chakra doesnt equate to itachi being at full power so we can forget arguing on that. Yet KCM was outsped by itachi before he could even react or reflex or even move a limb before itachi blitzed out.[] No exclamation mark to prove he reacted. Dont bring the excuse Naruto wasnt serious when no one in war arc fights non serious. If anything it was itachi who was holding back as he broke edo tensei on his own and lied to the duo that he needed Kotoamatsukami. [] Dont bring the excuse Kabuto referred koto when he wouldve praised Shisui otherwise. No one gets praise for using another's powers. Even madara using mokuton praise was given to Hashirama. We know the fact that kabuto knew about Koto by his words in the preceding panel. He praised itachi yet again.[] Then there's the fact hebi sasuke got smacked effortlessly in a illusion and thats a feat as kishimoto doesnt draw panels showing someone's speed just for us to conclude its in a genjutsu so its automatically invalid. Pain and Databook states Hebi Sasuke takes the breath away of Akatsuki members and he has admitted Taka is a threat to him respectively. Dont say Itachi is a Akatsuki member when he in fact is a double agent loyal to leaf. Unless someone can prove Obito is faster than kcm reaction or reflex speed we dont have a point.

Obito keeping up with BM doesnt mean he is faster than kcm reaction speed or reflex so dont argue that. Base obito claimed hebi sasuke's shunshin was too fast and he has reacted to Raikage blitz. Same Sasuke was took on by a blind itachi with no fighting intent as most of that fight was a genjutsu.

Shikaku wasnt wrong as he's talking out of experience and the running theme in this Manga is Nara clan members are the most intelligent and knowledgeable so Zetsu being the culprit doesnt change the fact Shikaku trusted itachi's genjutsu powers too be that potent and undetectable. Obito wont/cannot break it as far as canon goes.