Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36394790-20180824122210/@comment-34194151-20180906003213

Susano'o doesn't require MS to be active to be used, but susano'o also hurts every single cell in the user's body. EMS removes that weakness. IT's hard to develop susano'o when you are literally coughing up blood while trying to maintain it. Look how far sasuke made it with susano'o, and it was stated that user's emotions accelerates the development of susano'o. Sasuke wasn't exactly that emotional when he remerged. But soon after, he was able to develop a susano'o that had legs. I think it's just time. Ridoku chakra or other external sources can likely expedite the process. Well, itachi had 7 years with his MS. He didn't necessarily have to spam it the way sasuke did, because his regular skills give people a run for their money. He nearly killed two jonin while just using his 3 tomoe sharingan, and he wasn't even entirely trying to kill them, just putting on an act for kisame. Itachi simply doesn't spam susano'o that much, and given more time and not a dying body, he would have developed PS if he got the EMS imo.

I think naruto can form it without clones, but he does it with clones because he can. It's hard to tell though, because he formed both of those rasengan off panel, though it didn't seem like he would make a clone in gamabunta's mouth only to deactivate when he and the clone could double team the animal path.

Well, that example isn't quite fair because gyuki and killer bee share the same body. he can instantly get chakra from gyuki. itachi and sasuke were standing a few feet apart, and they didn't have any other method of initating physical contact... so genjutsu was the only method to initiate partner method. you do realize that itachi failed to break kurenai's genjutsu immediately right? Because it takes time to infuse the chakra and force the malicious chakra out. Furthermore, itachi was copying her genjutsu and reversing it back on her since all he nededed to do was copy the seals she used. how were they wasting chakra exactly? Itachi is an edo tensei, and sasuke used a mere MS genjutsu, which can't be more taxing than the physical effort it requires to break genjutsu. And kabuto's genjutsu clearly disabled their ability to use susano'o, so they couldn't use it. And biting lips isn't a viable method of breaking high level genjutsu it seems, or everyone would do it. i'm pretty sure part two retconn'ed the biting lips thing, otherwise jiraiya would be an idiot for not telling naruto to do that when he was struggling with itachi's genjutsu against 30 percent itachi. Partner method is a foolproof method of breaking genjutsu. It instantly works. using the chakra control method requires you to exert yourself and flare your chakra in an attempt to overpower it, which to me is actually harder to do then simply moulding chakra for a basic genjutsu. and you also forget that itachi has genjutsu reversal, which only seems to work if he can cast the type of genjutsu in question. Itachi can't cast sound genjutsu because he lacks the flute tayuyua has, so he can't reverse the sound genjutsu back to kabuto. So literally the second best option was to just use partner method. Partner method can't be stopped. sakura instantly freed naruto when she touched him. yet naruto with all his effort and chakra couldn't break the genjutsu by himself. it would be different if we actually saw on panel evidence of itachi and sasuke struggling, and then saying, darn it, his genjutsu is too strong!!!! sasuke look into my eyes or we have no hope!!! By your logic, sasuke's MS genjutsu is more powerful than kabuto's genjutsu, which makes no sense. It's clear that as long as you get an outside disturbance you can break genjutsu. The only exception is that izanami apparently can't be broken by any method unless the person in question "accepts their fate".