Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-46486865-20200730051057/@comment-26636534-20200731152225

CursemarkSenjutsu wrote:

After he almost died from Deidara's final explosion, Karin just stood there. Later at a resting place, Jugo just wraps some bandages around him. As I said, he wasn't seriously injured, due to Manda shielding him. Only when he was seriously injured did Karin intervene.

CursemarkSenjutsu wrote:

Well it is based off of it, and to add more, Hebi Sasuke could just use his sharing to see the flow of Chakra kneading in MS Sasuke's eyes. Ex: Obito when he awakened his sharing was able to see invisible people, aswell as read the Chakra signatures of people. Based off what? We haven't seen that occur, that's just an assumption. Wait, you claimed that CS2 granted the Sharingan more enhancement, and the example you cite is Obito using a normal Sharingan? Huh? MS can do more than a normal Sharingan can.

CursemarkSenjutsu wrote:

Thats like asking if kcm1 Naruto can use Kurama's Chakra or if 8 Tails Naruto vs Pain counted.

No. Orochimaru popping out of Sasuke in Itachi vs Sasuke was only due to Sasuke being extremely low on chakra. You casually mentioned in the DP that Hebi Sasuke "... has Orochimaru and the 8 headed Snake to fend off and destroy the Susano'o." So my question is valid, as your fight seems to assume that Orochimaru is on Hebi Sasuke's team and can just pop out to fight Susanoo whenever. Which is quite unbalanced and doesn't make sense.

CursemarkSenjutsu wrote:

All of the Genjutsu I've mentioned Suigetsu was not present besides from Jugo, and Sasuke was heavily weakened from Deidara's explosion. Ok, mine does. And shows how MS genjutsu is better than normal Sharingan genjutsu.

CursemarkSenjutsu wrote:

Well it does, and he did it in base Curse mark. And Sasuke didn't try again. And if he did, it depends on How much power is put into it compared to range. Or if Sasuke was flying swell. No that's not true. During Sasuke vs Deidara, CS2 Hebi Sasuke had to stand on top of his sword and get Deidara in the 5 meter range with his Fuma Shuriken to slice the wing off Deidara's C2 dragon. There was no increase in range. And there was no indication of an increase in healing power from the curse seal. CursemarkSenjutsu wrote:

CursemarkSenjutsu: MS Sasuke can't spam Amateratsu consistently, and Hebi Sasuke with partial Curse Mark (which jugo mentioned impressive) out ran Itachi's Amateratsu spam and got hit on purpose so he could use Fire style then Kirin. Skills and Tactics>> Spamming MS w nothing else. MS Sasuke did spam Amaterasu during the five kage summit. Got hit on purpose is debatable. But Hebi Sasuke definitely couldn't outrun Amaterasu. If Hebi Sasuke got hit with Fire Release: Fire ball jutsu during Itachi vs Sasuke, then Amaterasu is a sure hit.

CursemarkSenjutsu wrote:

Formation of Ten Thousand Snakes should easily break Susano'o without much difficulty, and Curse Mark powered Chidori Katana negs. Again, based on what? That's a pretty big assumption you're making. Especially when Orochimaru's snake sword couldn't pierce Naruto's 4 tail cloak.

CursemarkSenjutsu wrote:

Mind you that the Great White snake resides with Sasuke along with every one of Orochimaru's Justus and is healing at every moment of the fight. He went from barely standing with Deidara to reverse summoning + Chidori Nagashi almost instantly oh and FOUGHT ITACHI AND DEIDARA ON THE SAME DAY. Thats pretty inconsistent as Mangekyo Sasuke was healed and all of his Chakra returned when Zetsu gave him, and Karin healed him heavily 2x, and Hebi Sasuke used 3 Genjutsus on Itachi (one at the Cave, another on Itachi once more) an additional chidroi while running into Naruto's clones, A Chidori Katana + Chidori spikes all within the same time range. MS Sasuke's fight with Bee just shows you who's really stronger. And its not that he could still continue, he was buffed healed and would have died to Mizukage w/o Zetsu appearing. Wait what? We all know that the power of the white snake allows Sasuke to recover chakra and from injury exponentially faster. And Sasuke's body was short-circuited by his own chidori, for the sake of neutralizing C4. He wasn't out of chakra at the end of the fight with Deidara. And he had a lot of time to recover.

MS Sasuke wasn't healed by Zetsu, and it's an assumption to say that "all of Sasuke's chakra was returned to him". Again, what's that based off? Besides, that doesn't exclude my breakdown that was before Zetsu even appeared. Karin healed Sasuke with the mystical palm technique after Tobi put both of them in Kamui's Dimension, and as I recall that doesn't give people chakra. Because he was injured by the Mizukage's boil release. What does MS Sasuke's fight with Bee have to do with this?

CursemarkSenjutsu wrote:

Well I have proof (btw I hope I didn't seem mean 😅)

Well, your proof doesn't account for a lot of things though. Namely, comparing Karin intervention while disregarding severity of injury. Taking not only the offensive jutsu Hebi Sasuke used against Itachi (There was actually 3* chidori/chidori stream, not 2), but also all the supplementary jutsu, (4*CS2 transformations, body flicker, etc). Or the difference in relative chakra cost, i.e. Amaterasu usage chakra cost =/= Chidori usage chakra cost.