Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-37265641-20181022021850/@comment-35409024-20181203113702

CombatIQmatters wrote: @JameSenpai Your reading comprehension is literally trash tier, so I don't want to hear any accusations from you that I don't understand English. It took you 3 posts to even understand one of my basic arguments, and you read too much into my" I accept your concession" statement, which obviously means that I have shown you don't have a counterargument and are just throwing fluff. Clear bias, naruto and sasuke aren't special, their attacks aren't getting through yata, Kishimoto>you.

ROFL, no I don't you are the one making the claim that these ethereal items don't have a chakra cost. That was not stated or shown in the canon, so you have to prove your claims. You even grasp at straws by bringing up kunai, which verifiably aren't a ninjutsu or anything like that. No one knows the origin of those ethereal items or whether they use chakra or anything like that, or if they incur any cost to the wielder, it's mere speculation. I never made any claims, I simply said saying it doesn't have a chakra cost without any evidence to support your claims is a baseless assumption. If you don't know, you don't know, period. The author clearly showed Itachi utilizing those weapons with his susano'o. He isn't seen walking around with them. His rib cage susano'o isn't shown with it. Not even his skeletal susano'o is seen wielding it. Only his fully armored susano'o and complete body susano'o are seen wielding it. The weapons weren't originally apart of his susano'o, but it's very clear that itachi has bound them to his susano'o, and as such they inherently now have a chakra cost since their usage is directly tied to susano'o, a technique that requires chakra, period. Furthermore, even the Sage of Six path's ninja tools were stated to have a chakra cost, so nothing says the yata mirror or totsuka blade don't incur a cost to the user, there is simply not enough information. So get your facts straight before coming at me.

Rofl. I very clearly stated that the chibaku tensei wouldn't affect his susano'o. Nagato launches the core. The core isn't an attack in of itself, it's gravitational pull is the "attack". The yata mirror would negate the effect of the pull on itachi and his susano'o. The yata mirror wouldn't destroy the core because it is purely defensive not offense, as proven when it didn't vaporize sasuke or the snakes. It's Itachi's job to do the offense. The chibaku tensei would still be free to destroy the rest of the terrain and it would still disrupt naruto and bee's attacks. What are they supposed to do, camp in itachi's susano'o forever? They have a war to fight and edo tensei to seal. So, They destroyed the core, stopped the landscape from being destroyed, and moved on with their lives. If nagato dodged the totsuka blitz, then the fight would drag out and the chibaku tensei would cause a problem for their attacks if not destroyed.

Rofl, It's not my job to provide you with the resources. Get yourself access to the Viz, which are official naruto manga translations. The Viz scans clearly show what I have been describing. The sfx:whoosh is clearly on the yata mirror, which indicates in that context it was shrinking back to normal size. Idk what to tell you, you have the ability to see. The susano'o isn't that tall, and even simply looking at the shape shows that it's the mirror. Get yourself access to the Viz which also offers a sfx guide in each volume, plus there are plenty of sfx dictionaries online. You clearly have access to the internet, so figure it out.

Rofl, Chapter 393 pg 9, you can see the yata mirror is covering a huge portion of the SIDE of Susano'o. Chapter 393 pg 8, you can clearly see the yata mirror expanding to cover the left side of itachi and his susano'o, even almost reaching to cover the back of Susano'o. I know you can see, and I know you aren't dumb, so I accept your concession. Your semantics about movement is irrelevant, because the shield clearly must move in order to defend against atttacks. Growing in size, changing shape, is enough proof it can do that. The databook clearly states it can change any of it's properties/characertisitcs. So it can change it's speed. In order to change your speed, you must be able to move, so you have been debunked.

Rofl, you are the one who's back is against the wall. Characters are right until proven wrong, because of the context. Black Zetsu was a spectator for the audience and is an information speclaist. I could care less if Black Zetsu has been wrong, everyone has been wrong about something. No one is omniscient, neither you or I included. Hashirama thought it was possible for sasuke could change madara's heart. he was proven wrong when madara stabbed sasuke in the heart, does that suddenly mean everything that comes out of hashirama's mouth is false? no it doesn't. Kishimoto supported zetsu's statement when he gave a mechanic for yata mirror's invincibility in his databook, so yes it is how the author feels. Kishimoto is right until proven wrong because it's his manga, not yours.

I'll give you credit though, you at least had the honesty with yourself to admit the shield has changed in size, unlike other people.

Bleh. You give me a headache. For one, I'm not biased. How is someone biased for saying someone isn't omnipotent when that character said everyone has a weakness? Itachi is actually one of my favorite characters fyi if not my favorite (can't really decide between him and Shisui), so it just shows how wrong and judgmental you are. I just can't stand other people who give us fans a bad image with their none sense of calling a character invincible. It's people like you that makes the Itachi fan community have such a bad image.

I read everything you said just fine. No one believes that. Not even Kishimoto. So your whole "Kishimoto>you" crap, doesn't work. Kishimoto didn't say Itachi was invincible. Even in the hyperbole shit, he didn't. He said the mirror can block any attack. Can is used. That means it has the ability to. Doesn't mean it automatically does it. I can speak spanish, but that doesn't mean I automatically speak spanish. A sword can be sharp. Does't mean it automatically is. Sasuke's Kusangi supposedly can pierce through anything, but it doesn't go around piercing things on it's own. Come on dude.

Yes, you need to prove your claims. They are said to be items. Objects. It isn't said a kunai doesn't cost Chakra does it? No. So by that rule a kunai costs Chakra to use. You have no proof that they cost Chakra do you? All I need to say is they're items and that's that. Items only cost Chakra when they are said to. If you want to continue arguing over it, then show me I'm wrong.

I'm looking at the viz site and they don't have a sfx guide. Que?

So pretty much you are saying growing is movement? Well thanks for proving my point on not knowing the difference. You have to move from one location to another. It never did. Susano'o's arm did. So gg.

Black Zetsu is almost always wrong, so no. A character is not right until proven wrong. Hiruzen in prime is stronger than Hashirama then. You can't say something is a rule and deny something that follows that rule. We haven't seen prime Hiruzen have we? So nothing proves the statement wrong. So by that rule, he's the strongest Hokage until we see his prime showing the opposite. Too bad no one follows that logic. Character statements are always taken with a grain of salt for reasons like Sasuke at Genin already reacting to Light speed cause of Haku's statement and the Db entry saying he moves at the speed of reflections which is light speed. By that rule Itachi is weaker than Jiraiya which I disagree entirely. He said he couldn't take him and we have nothing to prove the statement wrong without guessing. So hell no is that legit. Can Itachi be beaten? Yes. So he isn't invincible.

I don't deny proof. If you got it, I accept it. I really have no reason to deny anything that helps a Character I like either. The argument you and me have is can Yata move without Susano'o's arm moving it? I see no proof it can. Expanding isn't movement. Movement has to be a change in locations. If the shield stays in one location but just grows, it isn't changing locations. If a tree grows, it's not moving to a new location. It's just growing.

You said it yourself. Itachi added them to his Susano'o. He didn't need to, he chose to. It's also said that Orochimaru searched for the sword which means people can hold them.