Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170909171417/@comment-9782468-20170915231701

Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: that was minato favored scenario, tbh. look, u also seem to believe that minato can keep teleporting endlessly, which he cant, or hasn't been shown doing just yet. secondly enma is a living thing, and I am to presume that minato doesn't know, as only the sennin and the 1st and 2nd hokages knew that. if minato gets close to the staff, at all, he can get cut in half. so its gonna be battle like this: a guy with all nature chakras, quite bigger reserves in stamina and chakra as well, possibly stronger as he relies in close range, compared to minato, not as smart, but much, much more experienced, a few clones (idk, maybe 4 or 5 is his max in this case?) along with emna... minato has wind, fire and a third chakra nature, along with both yin and yang believe, much more skilled, technique wise, in implementation of said techniques, smter by a certain margin, but much more naïve, as he is shown to be, in previous scenes and accounts, easily much faster, but necessarily unstoppable, as he isn't omnipresent, and has higher lvl chakra control, along with gamabunta. when I compare these two things, this leads me to believe that hiruzen wins. that's how simple this is to me, right now. Minato has never had a problem teleporting himself. Ever. He did it over and over again. While he was alive, he took out 1000 Shinobi himself. Teleporting has never been an issue with him. In fact, the only time we've seen him drained of chakra is after he teleports the extremely dense Tailed Beast Ball, seals Kurama away from Obito, summons Gamabunta (who is a chakra taxing summon), and teleports the huge mass of Kurama himself. Who was so massive in terms of chakra that it was impossible to seal all of him into Naruto. Then he was tired.

Hiruzen summons Enma in monkey form, and then Enma tranforms into the staff. That's the only way I recall it ever being done, and it makes sense since Hiruzen actually tells Enma to get into staff mode.

Minato is faster than Hiruzen. Yes the staff has the capabilities to cut them in half, but remember the TTJs only countered Minato to the point of taking an arm. Even they didn't cut him in half. So I'm doubting Hiruzen outspeeds the TTJs.

Hiruzen doesn't have "quite bigger reserves," where do you get that? Minato has huge amounts of chakra, if there's a difference between the two then it isn't large. Minato passed the prerequisite of having huge amounts of chakra for Sage Mode. Whether he was good at it or not, the fact remains that his reserves were abundant enough to learn in the first place.

Where was it shown that Minato is naive? AT least in terms of battle? Where? You said he's shown to be naive so let's get an example.

No one is omnipresent. Does someone have to be omnipresent to be a force to be reckoned with?