Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26388300-20160301040622/@comment-142748-20160320055816

Rachin123 wrote: @Super

1. Like I said being of the level of genjutsu shows the capability of the technique. So while it is ranked on difficulty, it is for a reason. The technique is that good obviously. Sasuke wasn't immune. Be blocked the light with his Susanoo. No evidence proves that he could have just sat there without Susanoo and not be affected by the IT. You believe the Bringer of Darkness won't do "shit", that's your call.

2. What!? That meteor was not village sized. Talk about exaggeration. It was big and impressive what he did with Chidori though. Also, the fact that Sasuke needs to use Perfect Susanoo already shows that Hashirama is a strong opponent for Sasuke.

I'm not ignoring feats I'm just not hyping them up like you are. I'm not denying Sasuke isn't stronger than Hashirama, I'm just saying it won't be a walk in the park. Sasuke needed Naruto to battle Kaguya, and them defeating them was part in thanks to Kakashi, Obito and Sakura, and they had to seal her because they couldn't kill her, and couldn't even beat Jubi Madara. I'm not discrediting him on that either, just stating facts. People try to use the fact that Naruto and Sasuke were the chosen ones to fight Kaguya but forget that they didn't even do it alone. So yes they were more powerful than Hashirama and Madara but towering them, not even. 1. It won't do shit since even HIRUZEN in his old age could fight through it. Dojutsu users in general would see through it. And the Rinnegan did make Sasuke invulnerable to Mugen Tsukuyomi, Susanoo was used to protect the other members of Team 7. Bringer of Darkness is useless in this battle.

2. No exaggeration. It was the size of Konoha even after being smashed in half by Rock Lee and those other ninja. In reality, the meteor busting shows he DOESN'T need Perfect Susanoo to defeat Hashirama. He can either blitz him, teleport his sword into Hashirama's head, or drop him in Kaguya's lava world before he can react. If we're going firepower to firepower, Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo far outstrips Hashirama after getting the Rinnegan as shown via his battles with Madara (slicing up meteors that were country size) and his clash with Naruto's Six Path Bijudama in the Valley of the End.

I'm not exaggerating the feats, you're downplaying them. We know that Naruto and Sasuke are tiers stronger than Sage Mode Hashirama and EMS Sasuke because of one simple fact: Hashirama admitted Juubi Jin Obito was stronger than him. Naruto and Sasuke individually kicked Juubi Jin Madara's ass, whose far stronger than Juubi Jin Obito before they had even fully mastered their powers. Naruto and Sasuke were going to defeat Madara individually, but needed Hagoromo's seals to free the Biju like Naruto wanted, and Hagoromo was two steps ahead and was thinking of Kaguya returning hence the seal's true usage. They also performed extremely well against Kaguya, someone Hashirama has absolutely NO chance against. Then after the Kaguya fight, after they mastered their powers Sasuke was directly compared to Hagoromo by Kurama.

Not to mention The Last's version of Naruto overpowering an attack that could cut the moon in half on top of tanking it. Made even more impressive that the Golden Wheel Explosion had more than enough power to destroy the moon outright after overpowering its GBE, just focused into a blade form. And the moon is the same size as ours given it needed to keep the tides in check on Naruto world. Then the feats in the Boruto movie, which are above even that.

I'm sorry, they do tower over Madara and Hashirama. Its power progression. Naruto and Sasuke got far stronger than their teenage selves who had already surpassed Hashirama and Madara by leaps and bounds. Arguing 'well they couldn't beat Madara or Kaguya on their own' also isn't an argument, since the former from their feats (and the fact they kicked his ass twice individually) showed they could, and the later not even Hagoromo and Hamura could defeat her just seal her, so its not a detriment. While they weren't alone against Kaguya, Naruto showed he could fight her one on one and hold his own on his own, flat out overpowered her at one point and blitzed her and ripped her arm off. And Sasuke is in the same general area of power then. You make it seem that Hashirama is the same caliber of opponent as Juubi Jin Madara and Kaguya.