Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34194151-20181008004847

Rules. They start 16 meters away from each other. Prime Hiruzen in this battle means he can use FTG with the same proficiency as Tobirama, genjutsu, and any applicable hiden techniques (only exceptions are things like aburame bugs, but shadow poession and akimichi expansion are fair game).

I honestly don't see how these 4 kage win.

While minato and tobirama can get close to him in the beginning, how do they finish him? Hashirama enters sage mode instantly. His sage mode reflexes can react to either minato or tobirama imo. minato and tobirama can tag him with FTG level 2, but I feel that Hashirama is experienced enough and reflexive enough to avoid a fatal blow. rasengan won't kill him, hashirama is too durable and has hax healing. if obito could take minimal damage than hashirama takes like 0. kunai slashes are healed off. Outside of FTG usage, hashirama outclasses all these hirashin users in taijutsu and combat experience. If they charge at the god of shinobi without a solid plan for decapitating him they are dead, all he would have to do is trade blows with them when they tag him. Not even death reaper seal is taking him out, hashirama has way too much strength and chakra for minato or hiruzen even to take out his soul. he would easily break their grip.

Hashirama would go for deep forest emergence and pollen as soon as he can, and he can easily cover the foreseeable battlefield in it. if minato and tobirama and hirzuen can't take him out early, then their kunai won't be getting anywhere near him. mokuton shields like Hobi and general spam would block them. he would make a couple of wood clones, and shinsuusenju has a ridiculous area of effect, the only safe haven is teleporting back to konoha. hashirama can outlast them all. Some might be tempted to say minato can teleport shinsuusenju away, but minato can't do that forever, shinsuusenju is an absurdly large construct, and the bigger the object the more chakra he needs, and at that point hashirama can dispel it and spawn a new one. minato has monstrous reserves but even he w would kill himself pretty quickly from chakra exhaustion if he tried teleporting that.

hiruzen's genjutsu wouldn't do much, hashirama is literally a monstrous sea of chakra. 