Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36006024-20180926134241/@comment-34194151-20181030213927

@BlazeRelease

Fortunately for you, I don't really have anything more to add, so this reply will be comparatively short. I happily accept your concession, as I promised I would before. You denied the fact that bee had to save Ayy from minato, the only reason Ayy is still alive today is because bee saved him from the FTG level 2 every time. and you denied the fact that minato didn't have killer intent against bee. you denied the fact that minato was signaled to retreat by his allies, ending that particular skirmish early, and that minato not only countered Ayy but also outsmarted him. You also denied the fact that ayy and bee were seen fighting minato together. The rest of what you said doesn't even make sense, like ignoring that sasuke's head was clearly slammed on top of the susano'o rib cage. Susano'o is meant to be an external defense, but users are still vulnerable to attacks occuring inside the susano'o. raikage's hands were already physically holding sasuke's body, meaning susano'o is irrelevant at that point. Sasuke's head should have turned into a paste of blood from being slammed into such a hard surface like susano'o. You also denied the fact that killer bee and gyuki are separate entities with their own chakra reserves. You ignored the fact that in killer bee 's first fight with kisame, killer bee was running low on chakra, and gyuki happily gave him some, proving that killer bee's chakra =/= gyuki's chakra. Gyuki clearly stated that KILLER BEE was out of chakra, nothing about gyuki being out of chakra. And lol, you didn't prove jack. Ayy stated he fought minato many times, yet neglected to clarify that bee was there with him the very first time he fought minato. Therefore, that statement doesn't prove that killer bee wasn't with him every time. you ignored the contexts of their fight, they were fighting each other in a ninja world war context because their villages were warring over the nine tails. So they were fighting with platoons against each other, and minato's platoon was assigned to Ayy's platoon, and Ayy's platoon contains B, period. We have plenty of other evidence that killer bee was there the whole time, so no, you reread the manga.

You are an admitted sasuke fan, so don't even try playing that card. All I see is bias from you on this particular topic. Like I said, you cited two statement that supports your claim, but I have cited both feats and other statements that debunk those statements you used. You simply ignored those variables. I would suggest rereading my previous posts carefully and considering the context, because like a third of your reply shows you missed the important facts I was focusing on as well as the context, no point in me typing those up again when you can simply re-reread and ask questions to clarify

This whole thing started because you are giving MS sasuke more credit than he deserves, which means alot in a thread that is trying to decide how powerful hashirama is relative to the other reincarnations. And I lol'd at you claiming bee resorted to using gyuki, when he pretty much solo'd sasuke with swordsmanship alone. Gyuki was for spite purposes and the fact sasuke had a team of 3 allies. Good luck with your book, and if you do reread this thread down the line, I suggest rereading the arguments from the top to bottom.

For the record, I don't dislike sasuke. He used to be one of my favorites, but after rewatching the series, he truly is overrated. He defeated a crippled orochimaru, a PIS deidara, a PIS Danzo (lol, a kage level shinobi can't deflect shuriken?), an itachi that wasn't even trying to kill him, whoopty doo. Outside of that, MS teenage sasuke isn't bijuu level or kage level. Jounin level is all I can give him credit for. killer bee stomped. each of the 4 kage stomped. Danzo would have stomped if Danzo wasn't such a hated character, and kishimoto set it up such that Danzo would have to die by Sasuke's hand to bring closure to the uchiha massacre. He simply wrote himself into a corner when he gave Danzo kotoamatsukami. Without hagomoro's powerups, sasuke is extremely overrated to be honest and weak for an indira reincarnation. At least if you strip naruto of his hagoromo hax, you can still see how he has earned his stripes as a kage level, even without kurama. non hagoromo- Sasuke is nowhere near hashirama's level, that's for sure.