Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20171113213649/@comment-35622277-20171205153150

Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote: The only fallacious logic here is yours and your biased way of making madara the god of everything which irritates me to no extent, your only argument is itachi didnt use it and that databook is hyperbole and manga statement is hyperbole , other than that which argument do you have? Yeah itachi would simply slap madaras arsenal around with these weapons, you know that , but you keep being in denial. Manga fact = Itachi is completely invincible with spirit weapons, spirit weapons are magical so can do anything , spirits weapons dont have physical form so cannot be damaged , spirit weapons were stated to be absolutely perfect offense and defense , Kaguya herself in the form of black zetsu stated this , Kaguya was only called merely immortal , madara was merely called immortal , all of these manga facts and you saying your stupid biased reasons for downplaying the weapons are manga facts , doesnt make it one. '''Yup hiruzen is stronger than hashirama in his prime = manga fact. Anything else you want me to debunk? Yup i would like it if you compare an old death bed strain naruto with a prime boruto when naruto gets old''' ... smh. See things with unbiased logic, or bring valid proof for your statements , simply using fallacious nonsense logic over and over again. You are acting fully stupid again, temaris wind is a hyperbole but isnt one in the contextual sense. Because she could rip the body of the strongest shield man with her vacuum blades though with some help. The description is the key, the description , not she has shown it or anything , stop misunderstanding my statements , even if she hasnt shown to be capable of wrecking a continent , if the description of her databook says she can destroy continents with the force of her wind , I'll believe it. Just the title alone is metaphor or a very contextual statement, though in a way , temari can destroy almost everything in NV considering she ripped 3rd's armour and body with some help. Yata mirrors mechanics have been stated to block and deflect all types of attacks, Totsuka has been stated to seal and cut any thing and cannot be avoided with speed or any other implement , because its an absolutely perfect attack which goes with unlimited speed and flawlessness in attack. These are stated as its mechanics, so if you dont want to accept it , even though BZ says these mechanics of weapons and attributes make him completely invincible unlike some mere rinnegan wielder you put above itachi , then i dont know what kind of proof to bring to prove it yet again. The proof is on the table, if you dont want to accept it , keep up your opinion its your wish though it doesnt agree with manga fact. You should understand what the words "fallacy" and "logic" mean, but, however ironic, your post is littered with many illegitimate points with faulty reasoning, let alone having any coherency nor evidence to back up your claims. If anything, your response is fallacy galore.

The only fallacious logic here is yours and your biased way of making madara the god of everything which irritates me to no extent, your only argument is itachi didnt use it and that databook is hyperbole and manga statement is hyperbole

Pray tell me, good sir, where have I made out Madara to be the "god of everything"? I wrote that they were prime examples of where characters make hyperbolic statements of their powers, not what you accused me of.

My only argument is that Itachi didn't use it? I suggest you scroll up and read everything else that I, and many others have written. No, my argument right now is that we have not seen any of these "magical" abilities you speak of that the Yata Mirror or Totsuka Blade possesses outside of what was seen in the manga. There is just little-to-no evidence of it.

I did not say that the Databook was hyperbole. No, you obviously did not read it, as I said it was full of inaccurate inconsistencies with the manga and thus an unreliable source of information.

You only have the Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror as the sole factor in winning this battle; 2 abilities that were shown once against a significantly weaker character in such a "limited" capacity, as well as having nothing you described ever shown in the manga.

Yes, the manga statement would be taken as an exaggeration. It's character rhetoric. Nothing more, nothing less. It's less of a confirmation and more for shock and awe factor among the audience. It's been shown many times where one character utters how powerful the other one by overstating most of his abilities, and Madara was one of them.

'''Yup hiruzen is stronger than hashirama in his prime = manga fact. Anything else you want me to debunk? Yup i would like it if you compare an old death bed strain naruto with a prime boruto when naruto gets old'''

We've seen Prime Naruto and Prime Hashirama in action, we've never seen Prime Hiruzen in action, so they cannot be compared. You can compare old Hiruzen and Prime Hashirama because we have seen them at this stage, but you cannot compare them both in their primes for reasons explained. No, you cannot compare an "old death bed Naruto" with Prime Boruto because we have yet to see both of them at this stage. You also cannot "debunk" something with just your word and no evidence. Seriously, if you want to talk about logical fallacies, this is one of them.

Manga fact = Itachi is completely invincible with spirit weapons, spirit weapons are magical so can do anything , spirits weapons dont have physical form so cannot be damaged , spirit weapons were stated to be absolutely perfect offense and defense , Kaguya herself in the form of black zetsu stated this 

Surely you mean FanFiction fact? Pulling information out of a Databook and then using your own head-canon is not actually "manga fact", so have you believe. None of what you just said was shown in the manga. In addition, Black Zetsu is a manifestation of her will, not actually "her".

if the description of her databook says she can destroy continents with the force of her wind, I'll believe it

That honestly would be less of a exaggeration and more of something to be disputed until Temari actually does something that makes that point actually believable. Until then, it would just be taken as an inaccuracy.

Just as Itachi's Yata Mirror has not shown the abilities you have described, so it's a rather moot point. It's that simple.

You are acting fully stupid again, temaris wind is a hyperbole but isnt one in the contextual sense

What? Isn't one in the "contextual sense"? A hyperbole is a hyperbole, exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally. If you change the context of the hyperbole to the point where it's no longer hyperbole, then obviously it's no longer a hyperbole! That way of thinking is just ridiculous, because then every hyperbole is only hyperbole in a contextual sense.

"I'm so hungry I can eat a whole Zebra!"

Hyperbolic statement, yes? Due to the nature of the limit human beings can actually ingest, you can't actually eat a whole Zebra obviously. But what if I change the circumstance's of me being human? What if I'm a 200ft tall giant? Exactly.

That kind of logic, where "a hyperbole is only a hyperbole until it's not" is just flawed, because then everything will be a bunch of "what-if's".

The Yata Mirror and Totsuka has not shown it is capable of many of the things you speak of, as it has only appeared a single time, with limited use. It can be used as a part of your argument, but it cannot be the backbone of it as it lacks to much evidence to actually be of use.