Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20171112224147/@comment-734582-20171118144312

Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: (SINCE IT TURNS INTO FUCKING ICE). Normal Ice is less dense than water. Looking at a phase diagram, it would take about 2GPa to 3GPa to compress water into a solid state (Called Ice-7) at room temperature. This particular ice is in fact more dense than water and regular ice. Since we have an actual value, we can ask ourselves if Gaara can reach those values.

I don't know how strong Kimimaro's bones are supposed to be. Steel comes in a great variety of strengths, but if we assume Kishimoto did some research and went for wire-drawn qualities or maraging qualities, then we get steels in excess of 2GPa tensile strength. The bones get compressed uniformly so there's no buckling, and we can assume Kishimoto doesn't know enough material science to take into account any compression/tensile asymmetry. Gaara couldn't break this bone, meaning that he doesn't have the compressive power to turn Suigetsu to ice at room temperature. If those bones were much stronger than that, then there's no point comparing it to steel (I'd go with diamond, for instance). Hence, we can comfortably say that Gaara can't turn Suigetsu to ice-7 nor regular ice.

AsianReaper wrote: Water doesn't have gases in it. Water can be a gas (water vapour). But Liquid water has no gas in it. A gas can dissolve in water. But a gas is a phase in which individual atoms don't "feel" each other, or at least "feel" each other barely. If it dissolves in water, then the atoms that made up the gas are now surrounded by water molecules. Hence, the dissolved atoms are not in a gaseous state anymore as they clearly are "felt" by the water molecules. After all, if the water molecules didn't "feel" the dissolved gas molecules, then those molecules wouldn't stay dissolved.

Lorenzo.r.2nd w rote: really? cuz Im not really that smart, but I do know that if gases can fit in the in-between, then it can be compressed further (SINCE IT TURNS INTO FUCKING ICE). There is no rule that states that dissolving gas into liquid demands that the volume doesn't change. Gas is simply a much less dense state. A liter of water weights a kilogram. A liter of air weighs a few grams. If you dissolved a liter of gas in a liter of air, you'd have a weight increase in the order of grams. As such, under equal density, the volume change of the water would also be a few percent. a few percent of a liter is a few dozen mililiters, or a few droplets. You'll never notice.