Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-1018594-20150821001654/@comment-26773508-20150824105053

LegionZero wrote: "plot anything"=Short way of saying "this story is opposing my view of this characters powers/abilities."

Danzo underestimated Sasuke's abilities and resourcefulness. Danzo was cocky. Danzo got up fairly quickly after being stabbed. Had Karin not healed up Sasuke he may not have been able to fight back.

Either way, no matter how you look at it, Danzo lost because he was over-confident. Not because of "plot" He thought Izanagi made him untouchable, he was wrong. He thought Sasuke wouldn't notice him constantly checking his arm. He was wrong. He didn't think Sasuke would go through Karin to get to him. He was wrong. Nope. It's saying that key actions that determine the winner/loser of an important battle are inconsistent with what one expects from the logic established by the manga. No one here is disputing the fact that Danzo was overconfident. The point here is that two key events in the battle (Danzo stabbing Susanoo with a kunai, and him having to use Izanagi against 3 small shurikens) are not merely the results of overconfidence; they're in fact plot induced stupidity, plain and simple. No experienced ninja who knows about Susanoo's strength would use a simple kunai thrust and lose an Izanagi. And this isn't a mere "experienced ninja" we're talking about here; it's a Kage-level ninja who has survived 3 great wars. Underestimating someone's abilities is one thing, but using an attack you know won't work, at the risk of losing an Izanagi, is STUPIDITY, not "overconfidence".

Also I checked the scene where Danzo had to use Izanagi against the small shurikens. He had a kunai in his hand when he got hit. Somehow fodder ninjas can deflect multiple kunai and shuriken thrown at them with a single kunai in their hand, but a Kage like Danzo can't. That is again Plot no Jutsu, which is NOT the same thing as saying "WTF this is sooooo against my preconceived notions of Danzo's abilities boo hoo hoo". It's a real, actual plot armour used to shield Sasuke, because it defies and goes against everything previously shown in the manga. A kage being unable to deflect 3-4 small shurikens following a straight trajectory with a kunai, without any valid or justifiable reason, is plot no jutsu, plain and simple. Especially since fodders can easily accomplish such feats.