Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20171113213649/@comment-35622277-20171204142422

Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote: Agree. Hiruzen in his old age cannot even hold his enma staff properly, you cant compare that guy with a young fresh hashirama. Hiruzen is indeed stronger than hashirama. nAtRiX oPiNiOn InVaLiDaTeD

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gOoD dAy Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote: Databook can be colorful language but not until its proven wrong by the director so until then the words are valid. So Totsuka and Yata are perfect offense and defense, you just cant accept that fact. The very reason he didnt use it suggests it can destroy the whole world if used, so kishi nerfed it , not only that , kabuto claimed itachi had more power and more jutsu than he had shown as of now , so that means itachi was completely holding back in kabuto's fight. Either itachi was holding back all the time like he did in kabutos fight or it was A pis made by kishi to not allow itachi to use it to destroy NV and kabuto. Will there be any plot progression if the weapons are used in that manner? Its very mechanics make it to be omnidirectional and capable of repelling every attack and sealing everything, so why should the words be hyperbole? '''Its only hyperbole when the mechanics dont go with the statement like temari's wind. She has never shown the capacity to wreck a continent let alone a universe and its mechanics are vacuum blades summoned to cut through substances, nothing more''' , but itachis weapons are different. It was stated to be perfect and the mechanics align with the perfection idea, not just words. Yet you are purposefully '''trying to find loopholes which the director denies. And the very manga denies'''. I can deny madara's feats and every statement about him then? They all come from the same manga ... so concede already, no use in denying straight facts . I'm translating...

Basically Natrix is saying Itachi is the strongest being in existence and can defeat everybody all at once because he has the Yata Mirror of which we have only his FanFiction tier assumptions based on an inaccurate databook for it's feats and level of power because we've never actually seen it in action.

Me having fallacious logic? The irony. I'm not the one that lacks evidence to support my claim, if you haven't realized that then, well, it's rather sad.

Literally the foundation of your argument is built upon an already widely known inaccurate source, but you try and reinforce your reasoning with mere assumptions based on statements made by characters within the universe. It literally places your entire already rocky foundation under heavy amounts of conjecture. Not only that, but you state your assumptions as fact, of which it is not, due to the fact of the many inconsistencies within it and is purely speculative in nature.

Yes, you can deny many of Madara's statements about his power, along with a plethora of other characters as most of it is mere exaggeration, but you cannot deny what we have seen in the actual manga. You cannot make the assumption that Hiruzen is more powerful than Hashirama just because Hiruzen was old and the title he held. Not only that, you claim that he couldn't even hold his staff properly in old age? Have you even read the manga?

You repeatedly undermine your own logic countless times, contradicting yourself within your own arguments. It's only hyperbole when the statement does not go with the mechanics? But Itachi's is different because it's mechanics fall in line with statements made from characters? What? That doesn't even make any sense. You actually want to create a "supporting" argument based on complete character rhetoric? By your logic if my sword cuts, and someone I knew stated I could cut through composite armor, my mechanics align with the statement so obviously it isn't an hyperbolic statement. I suppose the classic example of hyperbole's is also not a hyperbole within your logic, wherein which if you were that hungry I guess you can eat full zebra's.

Temari's wind is overstated because it has never shown the capacity to destroy continents, but Itachi "has" "shown" the "full" capabilities of the Tosuka Blade and Yata Mirror? Where was that? In your dreams? Seriously? What a way to undermine yourself.

My previous argument's were not at all irrelevant, as it was an analogy to your entire rationale, because that's the substance of your argument: comprised of pure hypothetical guess work made with conjectural suppositional evidence.