Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36019309-20190114073523/@comment-34656247-20190204025120

Ninja Of War wrote: But, if you want a short answer: it is not impossible to break out of Tsukuyomi without the sharingan. Finally man. Now what's your argument on this? what convinced you to believe this can be true? and what tier Naruto characters is this statement applicable to?

JamesSenpai wrote: Uh. I gave you a dictionary definition where it states that it means immediate which states immediate means no intervening space or time which means 0 seconds. I don't know how that isn't proof when your asking for a definition of a word, lol. Honestly i don't remember receiving such proof from you. Moving on, the word that fits the meaning you provided above is Immediately not immediate, but still i don't see how the above meaning translates to 0 seconds. Perhaps a little proof will shut me up?. And oh, while at it do take a look at the example they provided below on the meaning of 'immediately'..i really don't see how the meaning corresponds with the example, what ,is the girl in the meaning superhuman or somethinG? and exactly why you skipped past the first meaning and the many synonyms mentioned with it baffles me greatly.....i think you're substituting the idea at hand with a more exaggerated one, in this case you're using what seems a meaning that fits General Relativity(the study of space and time) to what? a jutsu? lol. I'm sure when kakashi mentioned moment he meant nothing close. Think about that and stop exaggerating the character statements.

Since when did I ever state Bee was Genjutsu trained? Quote me. I don't need to give proof on something i never claimed. You claimed he couldn't break it and claimed he wouldn't train. Therefore, you have to give proof. That's how a debate works. The one who makes the claim has to give proof. Well this made me cringe. You keep hypothesising that maybe he improved in the future. Here you go: Why make such statements? why not just accept it that he can't break it? because you're still clinged to the fact that you personally think Bee can break it but just don't wanna say 'yes'. Here's more:
 * The current Bee isn't the same Bee who fought Itachi years prior.
 * Do you know if Bee is the same? Do you have a direct quote or a case from Kishimoto that says/or shows Bee is still clueless when it comes too Genjutsu?
 * I never said I think he can. What I said is,is there any proof he hasn't changed.
 * Who are you to say who can and can't break Itachi's NORMAL Genjutsu without any proof? Your argument relies on a character feat that happened over 11 years prior. I didn't say Bee could break it, but I did say you have no evidence that he can't.

It's like saying Adult Naruto OR Sasuke can beat Kaguya, because after all those years, after fightning Kaguya, after knowing that she can only be beaten by a sealing jutsu they would, according to your logic create a sealing jutsu similar to the one that was used in her sealing away. Hmm another one would be, Killer Bee knowing that chakra receivers can restrain tailed beasts so naturally (according to your supreme logic ofc) he would after all those years just sit and say 'hmmm why don't i devise a way to counter those chakra receivers'. But hey he didn't, when momoshiki arrived to take gyuki the dude was rapping...which is his hobby,maybe after all those years he was rapping, did you think of that? it was a time of peace and all..and sharingan users are dead except for sasuke who is not evil...so i don''t know why one would improve in genjutsu with those points in mind. Anyways you want proof ? my proof is the current bee there is an entire wiki made out of him, do check for 'improvement in genjutsu'' do let me know.

You made the claim it was instant. You have yet to prove it. All I've said is that it doesn't happen in 0 seconds and used the adjective form of instant. The only proof I need for that, is your novel scan. It literally tells you how fast it is. I don't know what in your head says that isn't proof. But it's obviously off. Then you have the wiki saying it happens in a matter of seconds. That doesn't fit the adjective form of instant. Neither does the novel. So that is without a doubt, proof. Wiki Error: ''Your opponent has failed to reply on this sub topic due to the fact that you still misunderstand the meaning of instant, which by the way doesn't mean 0 seconds, he therefore requests that you provide proof of the word meaning exactly as you say it means. Meaning the proof provided should contain the following characters 0 seconds and not your own fancied interpretations of the word''

Looking low? Lol. You claimed i was seeking personal gain by posting a comment you left out, twisting the action to suit yourself but no one bought it. That's you looking bad. You been whining and complaining instead of giving any proof that the illusion happens instantly. That's you looking bad. You been trying to change the subject too something irrelevant like word definitions and meanings cause you can't prove your case that a) Tsukuyomi cannot be broken and b) the illusion happens instantly, thus you tried going off topic cause you failed in your false claims. That's you looking bad. All I've done is proved you wrong.

I proved you wrong when I showed instantly HAS to mean 0 seconds with a screenshot of the definition (obviously proof), that the novel showed Tsukuyomi not happening in 0 seconds (obviously proof), and the wiki saying it happens in a matter of seconds (obviously proof), therefore Kakashi cannot be talking about the illusion of Tsukuyomi which can not transpire instantly since it has to transpire in 0 seconds. I proved you wrong when I said Elite Uchiha with Sharingan can break it with direct statements from Kishimoto and Itachi literally saying they can (obviously proof). I proved you wrong about efficient and your false proof since thesaurus cannot give definitions (showed screenshots of this), and leads you to another site for definitions (showed screenshots) and that site did not have your made up definition (screenshots that are obviously proof). I proved you wrong that instant can mean 0 seconds with screenshots that are obviously proof. So explain too me what proof I need to give when i already proved all these claims i made right. Explain too me, why you don't need to prove any of your claims right and that you can spout anything out and I'm the one who has to prove you wrong? Childish logic. What's next, you going to say Itachi can use Kamehameha and tell me I gotta prove it wrong? Lol. Ok firstly i'll ignore the statements that has connection to '0second'' you can tell why by reading the rest of text above. Secondly, why are you even bringing these up? aren't they already established lol,it's like a whole new level of irrevalancy, they're are funny and counterable, but me replying to them simply means that you'll reply to them as well. and that would mean that i would just have to be typing new pointless shitz. But i'll take on this example of your's though>>>'''What's next, you going to say Itachi can use Kamehameha and tell me I gotta prove it wrong? Lol.'''..this is literally you when stating that killer bee can possibly break genjutsu in the future and then asking me to prove that he can't. lol.