Talk:Boruto Uzumaki

Species
Since the latest chapter had Momoshiki reveal that Boruto had become a pure full-blooded Ōtsutsuki, shouldn't Boruto's species now be classified as "Celestial Being" just like the other Ōtsutsuki members?

HygorBohmHubner (talk) 17:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It's tricky. On one hand, Boruto still looks like himself, not to mention Momoshiki even claims portion of his data was rewritten into Boruto's own cells, so eh... in my opinion, I still stand firm that Karma getting extracted into a vessel doesn't actually replace their DNA/cells whatever until the reincarnation itself takes place. If anything, Boruto still has his own DNA/cells and Momoshiki's in one body... in a way he is a hybrid more than anything, but that's just my opinion.Elve Talk Page 21:21, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Celestial Being hybrid is also an option as shown by Toneri. Arcadia warlic (talk) 03:07, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree with both cause given he's purely a Ōtsutsuki but ain't himself is tricky so yes I would go with Hybrid but would also go with Celestial Being, i'm torn in between both choices but Hybrid sounds much better just to not complicate this as it is. Garnet von Schweetz (talk) 12:40 pm, 24 February 2022
 * If it's stated he is full Otsutsuki, then that should be what we document. Munchvtec (talk) 12:08, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * But the dialogue also states part of Momoshiki's data got converted into Boruto's own cells. Not to mention I am still of the notion that the rewrite itself happens only during the process of resurrection, meaning Boruto's DNA and cells are untouched, so technically he IS and ISN'T an Otsutsuki at the same time. I think hybrid is safer.Elve Talk Page 12:32, 24 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm actually really liking this conversation. There are two points that I want to make first however. From what I read at least, Momoshiki mentioned the following quote: "...you are now a pure, genuine, complete Ōtsutsuki..." What I could see from this is that Boruto himself is merely a skin for Momoshiki, but also carrying an active consciousness. Since the extraction is complete, I feel like Boruto's genetic makeup actually ceased to exist now that his body was overwritten by Momoshiki. The application and process of the extraction already happened, but with a minor error (the opportunity of resurrection being nuked). That doesn't change the fact that Boruto himself has been overwritten at this point internally. I think it's safe to say he's a pure Ōtsutsuki based on that conjecture. Now the issue with this, would be that Jigen himself would have to be labeled as one as well. Unlike Boruto, Isshiki took the extra steps and actually resurrected from Jigen. He didn't want to (and enjoyed his numerous wines and good food) because he was waiting on Kawaki's full extraction, so Elve makes a pretty solid point that since the resurrection in Boruto actually has not (and based on what we know, will not), take place, he isn't an Ōtsutsuki. -Ventillate { About Me | Message | My Work } 13:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't really think the Karma rewrites/replaces DNA or cells though. Otherwise Boruto would look exactly like Momoshiki and if not Boruto, then Jigen would have turned into Isshiki by his introduction, because cells regenerate circa every 7-10 years or so. I think it's a case of chimerism... Boruto simply carries Momoshiki's DNA inside of his body as well. I think the replacement process occurs only during resurrecting, hence that's why the host dies.Elve Talk Page 15:53, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I think from a purely biological standpoint, it's correct. The "overwriting" part is what throws me off though. I'm not saying that Boruto's own DNA is wiped out, but rather overwritten by Momoshiki's to hold a dominant genetic template over Boruto's own. It's kinda why I mentioned that his own template ceased to exist, as it is no longer solely his. -Ventillate { About Me | Message | My Work } 17:04, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Only skimmed through the above, so forgive me if I'm repeating what someone else already said. Based on what Momo said, the way understand what happened to Boruto is as follows. Imagine Momo and Boruto are two music files. Momo's file was overwriting Boruto's file, but that stopped and some of Boruto's song remained. Because he said his own data in the Kama was already Otsutsuki, I think this means that despite Boruto still having his own data, the fact is his data is now in an Otsutsuki file format. The Kama was able to heal Boruto because Boruto's data was reformatted into the Otsutsuki file format, allowing the Kama program to play the new organ files. You can have two files with the same song in it, but encoded with different codecs and stored under different formats. Based on this, I think the most accurate course of action would be to change Boruto's species to how list any other full Otsutsuki. Does my file format analogy make sense? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:18, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Though I understand the logic behind this, the same would have to apply to Jigen then. Jigen was already overwritten as Isshiki had plenty of time for the Kāma to fully extract from Jigen. Amado even mentioned that although Jigen was ordinarily human, he became an Ōtsutsuki. I'm fine with this then as long as the same applies to Jigen. In terms of infobox functions, both would have to be special exceptions from the Ōtsutsuki clan. -Ventillate { 👤 | 💬 | 🔧 } 15:06, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with extending this change to Jigen. The only potential wrinkle yet to solve would Code, I'm not sure how exactly this would work with his White Kama. They have mentioned it's defective, but have mentioned it changed his body, making him even stronger than Jigen. However, there was no indication he knew of stuff like the instinctual chakra signature erasure, and Isshiki's last words to him were a command to become a new Otsutsuki by consuming a chakra fruit, the implication I get from it being that whatever he is now, he's not quite an Otsutsuki proper. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:57, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Based on what we know, I'd classify code as a modified-Human being like Kawaki. Like you mentioned, there is still some lack of understanding as to how the White Kāma plays into this, but by the definition of what the original Kāma does, it likely suggests that his isn't nowhere near to a purebred Ōtsutsuki, but rather harbors their powers. Maybe this could be a somewhat "alternative Six Paths Madara" in regards to obtaining the fruit? -Ventillate { 👤 | 💬 | 🔧 } 21:07, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Byakugan (Karma)
I'm starting this topic because it intrigues me a lot, I don't understand why you consider that Isshiki's dojutsu must be put on Kawaki's page, but Momoshiki's Byakugan can't be put on Boruto's. I discussed with an admin the reasons for this and what I read is aberrant, already including multiple errors such as "Boruto channels Momoshiki's soul" when not... Amado explained it, karma is only the "door" that allows access to the Otsutsuki powers as well as the combat experience contained in the user's body, so it doesn't matter if his karma is artificial, it's indeed the Isshiki's powers that Kawaki uses. Regarding Boruto when in chapter 63 he deployed the true power of his kama (without Momoshiki taking control) a Byakugan manifested, it's obviously due to the powers of Momoshiki contained in his body (but not due to his soul present in Boruto's body) so basically explain to me what is the difference between Boruto and Kawaki? The only difference is that Boruto is inhabited by Momoshiki's soul, but his soul has never granted additional powers that Karma doesn't grant, conclusion if we disregard Momoshiki's soul inside Boruto, Boruto and Kawaki have no difference, so I repeat my question, why refuse to add the Byakugan as Boruto's dojutsu knowing that he can activate it (and probably use it since the combat experience of the otsutsuki allows the user to fight as the otsutsuki would without having to learn how to use powers) thanks to Karma without Momoshiki intervening (ref Chapter 1, End of Chapter 63, Chapter 64) but agree to add Isshiki's dojutsu on Kawaki's page ? also even if this power comes from something else, I don't see why we can't add it to Boruto when Naruto's kekkei genkai come from the Biju's chakra and Obito and Madara's Mokuton comes from the cells of Hashirama implanted in their body. Since Boruto's DNA has been modified it's not a temporary power and can be considered a similar case to Madara and Obito. ZéroFusion0 (talk) 21:59, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * You've said it yourself, and have been told it already. You're missing the point of the very metaphor you're using. Kawaki is considered a user of Isshiki's jutsu because Isshiki's soul has expired. There's no new house-owner, so he gets the keep the new furniture when the door opened again. Boruto has only displayed a Byakugan whenever Momoshiki took control. When he fought Code, Momoshiki didn't take over at first because of Amado's drugs, and even still, the drugs only delayed it a bit. What Boruto used in the flashforward wasn't the Byakugan, but Jogan, which he saw him having since before he even met Momoshiki, and therefore irrelevant to this. The most similar case is as you've mentioned with tailed beast skills. For example, Naruto was only considered a Tailed Beast Ball user when he was able to use it by himself, instead of when Kurama used it when going four-tails against Orochimaru for example. This is why he has the tailed beast chakra natures. Boruto remained in control for very little time, and made no use of Byakugan before Momoshiki manifested again. Similarly, this is why Momoshiki is considered the sole user of Spiralling Bullet, because he was the one in control of the body. Momoshiki can no longer resurrect, but he's not gone, so his stuff is still his. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:40, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I find it odd that Black Zetsu is listed as a user of Obito's eyes despite not even sharing a body but Boruto cannot be listed with byakugan despite it literally being genetically part of him and even at one point having a form where its manifested without losing control of himself. zacharyman1mil - Talk 8:05, 1 march 2023 (UTC)