Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34194151-20180905040618

@Hagoromo

Ridoku sage mode is the power of a juubi jinchuriki, that is agreed upon. It's confusing because madara and obito aren't listed as users of rsm, but in the manga madara says he is a ridoku sage. So my theory is, there are simply two different types of ridoku sage mode. The same term is being used to define different things, which is why I keep saying the terminology is confusing. But I think progress is being made to a better understanding for all here.So, basically what you are saying is that when naruto kicked the TSO, healed guy, and used SAGE ART:Lava Style rasenshuriken, he wasn't using ridoku sage mode. Ok, so if he wasn't using rsm, then what was he using? In order to use sage jutsu, you have to be in sage mode. Frog sage mode is denoted by horizontal frog slit on the pupil + pigmentation around the eyes. So, are you saying that naruto's eye pattern is indicative that he is using frog sage mode, but the rings aren't there because kurama gathered the chakra for him? Well, where is there precedent for that? Since when does naruto use BSM without using a chakra cloak, and since when does that result in a lack of pigmentation? Because when kurama chakra mode and sage mode are used together,(BSM) there is a vertical fox slit that is drawn over the horizonal frog slit, but the pigmentation is still there. this is the case even in the movie : the Last.

Furthermore, When kurama gathered senjutsu chakra for naruto during the final battle with sasuke, well of course naruto doesn't have rings because he is already in ridoku sage mode. Ridoku sage mode would override the normal features. We see that he has the frog/kurama slits, but he lacks the pigmentation. when naruto is saving boruto from the bijuu bomb, he doesn't have those pigmentation rings as well. I concede that the lack of tomoe on the back and the design changes are a problem for my argument, but that could easily be due to the new author's inconsistency, plus ying and yang kurama chakra cloaks were different, as seen by minato's cloak vs naruto's so their hyrbid is weird. What I need from you now is proof that BSM naruto lacks pigmentation when kurama gathers the senjutsu, and this proof shouldn't include an example where naruto is verifiably already in six paths sage mode.