Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-32900772-20170904113855/@comment-28247797-20171013214049

@UltimaDude Based on pretty much everything. Everything indicates that Madara was too much for Naruto and Sasuke. Sasuke did use his full power, the only thing Naruto didn't do was combine multiple Kurama clones like he did against Sasuke in the VOTE but that wouldn't be enough to take down a TTJ that has also absorbed the Shinju tree, plus his other amps. Countered everything Madara did, like what? The meteorites were casually done by Madara, hell he even compared them to raindrops so it's more than obvious it was a small percentage of his power. Even the dialogue, he pretty much told them "Here, daddy has something to do so have fun with these raindrops."

Limbo was never countered after it duplicated to four. We saw Naruto's clones and Madara's Limbos clash for one panel, next time we saw an update on that Madara's Limbo was perfectly fine and Naruto's clones were gone. Sasuke was even visibly shaken up during the IT because Madara's Limbo were waiting outside. Even at the end, Limbo surrounded team 7 and they didn't have a response for it. Sasuke told Naruto to be careful and Madara said no, I'm not letting you do anything else. It's over. If Madara was in true danger of Naruto and Sasuke he wouldn't so confidently tell them it's over then proceed to surround them. Logically, Naruto's clones cannot beat Limbo if they mimic Madara's stats unless you think Six paths Naruto > TTJ Madara. It's highly debatable if Six paths Naruto could even beat One Rinnegan, TTJ amped Madara. In fact what we've seen points towards Naruto losing. If we were to throw in Rinne Sharingan and having two Rinnegan there's no way he'd have a chance against Madara.

We're not even accounting for the fact that Madara's also capable of wood style, didn't show all of the basic Rinnegan abilities yet, we never got to see the full extent of his two Rinnegan (As with both eyes the full power of a Sharingan/Rinnegan comes out, I severely doubt gaining 4 Limbo was the only upgrade) and especially the capabilities of his Rinne Sharingan. So if anything Madara was the one that didn't go all out. He didn't really have a chance to because Kishi insta-gibbed him with Black Zetsu. I can agree that when Madara had one Rinnegan it was their chance to beat him. But after he attained the second then got the Rinne sharingan, I think it's more than obvious the duo would've lost.