Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180724205644/@comment-34194151-20180727064321

@UltimaDude

Experience helped him, it isn't easy to see because he outstatted many of his opponents as you said. But experience is what helps you passively and instinctively choose the optimal move to counter a situation. Experience in the right amount, and quality can beat strategy. Madara isn't the best tactician or strategist in combat, but that isn't what defines him. His experience allows him to react to a wide variety of situations in combat with efficency, because he has seen many tactics used over the years, by Hashirama, and the many other ninja he was said to have fought. Experience helps you counter strategies, while intelligence helps you develop strategies against a specific opponent. A good example of the sometimes tricky distincition I'm making here is for example Jiriaya vs the 6 paths. In that case, Jiraiya had no experience against Rinnegan hax because Rinnegan hax was one of a kind at the time, so he had to analyze with no help from his experience during the battle and apply the appropriate countermeasures.

Another good analogy is, with intelligence, its about your own mind. But with experience its the mind of everyone you have fought combined with your own. Because Madara seen so many different general combat tactics you need something really unorthodox to catch him off guard.

Madara's strength as a combatant isn't intelligence but the wisdom that comes from his overabundant amounts of  experience (warring states period ), as well as his haxxed arsenal, and his finnese (for finnesee-look at his taijutsu versus 4th division). He is direct and brutal, but his skill is what allowed him to feint the gokage and blindside stab the Hokage. But the point is, it isn't fair for you to say his experience doesn't matter, because he was mostly fighting opponents he outclassed in mere stats alone (5 Kage had nothing to breach perfect Susanoo + Preta Path, so that fight wasn't going anywhere regardless). Hashirama was also mostly known for stats too, but Kishimoto made it very clear that Madara and hashirama were also prodigies from an early age in terms of their combat skill and master of their respective jutsu. They aren't just powerful brutes without finnese behind them.

And the other example you mentioned, Might Guy ironically outstatted him heavily in speed and acceleration, so of course his experience didn't matter. At a certain point divine levels of speed overwhelms everything too especially since there has never been anyone like Might guy in Madara's history, especially the type of speed Guy was using where he is attacking from multiple directions essentially at once. And in any case, the difference is Guy is a taijutsu specilaist, Madara may have more overall experience, but Guy dedicated all his time into taijutsu and is talented at it, so of course I don't think Madara can beat guy with taijutsu, but naruto is a different story, i think madara can hold his own based on all his showings as an edo, as a blind hashi sage, etc.

The point of the substitution is that he did it right under naruto and sasuke's nose, and they noticed it only after he flew far away enough to escape Sasuke's switcheroo range. That was a feat, and it was one of the best ways to deceive them in that situation, hence his experience coming into play. And he had no trouble reacting to Naruto's previous attacks (bar the rasenshuriken when he was still weakened).

Also, ultimately, Madara, naruto, sasuke, never finished their battle, and naruto and sasuke were the only other opponents outside of 8 gates guy who could compete with Madara's stats. It would have been an epic battle, but Kishimoto killed Madara off, so how can you rule out a serious, bloodlusted Rinnesharingan Madara busting out his experience now that his opponents were immune to the IT? He then had every reason to go all out, but we didn't get to see it, and instead we got a more powerful antagonist that had way less experience and more indecisiveness in battle, she made rookie mistakes and needed help from Black Zetsu.

And as I said before, do you think Madara would fall for say, the Harem jutsu that was used against Kaguya?

Madara can switch between his EMS and rinnegan freely though, and I'm saying in principle he can also summon many wood clones alongside his limbo clones if naruto tries to kagebunshin spam, but even so he is used to fighting against numbers.

I concede that idk if the Preta Path is omni directional, but it stands to reason that it in principle it could based on all the showings we have seen. Madara's clones have rinnegan as well, so they also should have shared vision to cover blind spots in priniciple.

That said, I'm not ruling adult Naruto out, but I'm not entirely convinced he wins more times than not