Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-26388300-20160524034125/@comment-28247797-20160524163219

@BakumatsuWarrior That is true, I almost forgot about Hiruzen. It just sucks we never saw him in his prime but he is hyped to be the professor and mastered a bunch of techniques. Yeah, I'd put him above Tobirama but I'd love to see a fight between the two.

@UnstoppableUchiha Yes, Nagato is above Jiraiya. Sure, he did say that but Jiraiya was fighting Pain. Nagato is better because he has every basic Rinnegan ability into one body, so the exploit of seperating a Path to win would obviously not be an option here. Not only that but I think Deva path could've nearly solo'd Jiraiya. CT would destroy Jiraiya, it's on a completely different level than him.

@Thekillman Lol nah. Even if he mastered his entire arsenal, the only thing he'd have over Madara is SM but unless his sage mode is haxed like Hashi's then I doubt it'd do much. Madara while being blinded completely kicked SM Naruto over and at the time he was better with his SM than Minato. Not only that but Madara pretty much ate Hashirama's SM and mastered it near instantly. Hashi's SM >>> Minato's SM. Also saying Minato could be above Madara is saying Minato could compete decently with Hashirama. C'mon bro, that's just not happening. Hashi >> Madara >>>>> Minato. Even if he did master his arsenal, he'd still lose and PS is just GG. They're in different leagues.