Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36512555-20180814043009/@comment-6769189-20180817045733

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Mmm no. The motion lines would only be on his chakra arm. In the panel literally above that one Obito is swinging the gunbai and only the gunbai has motion lines, not his entire body.
 * Ermm he moved his entire right side, pushing the chakra arm forward which in the end costs him to twist his upper body to the right.....motion lines are infront of him when he hasn't even moved there.....wonder how ;_;

Page 11 debunks this hard because he thrusts the TBB again and motion lines are only on his chakra arm.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

'''Didnt concern him much in 601 when he tried to shove it in Madara's face. TBB's can be released as a beam as well.''' Even though he wouldnt just waste chakra like that but fine you can have that one
 * Cuz he was like a clone.......

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Like...... what?
 * I said that's why he wouldn't go in close...obviously his movement was jammed because he had to focus on the bomb and Gai and Kakashi would stand by and not help? what you're thinking is that the characters move on their own? the whole manga was planned, so no matter what the main character sure as hell would'nt go down there.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Hashtag he was running with it just fine
 * Hashtag Bijju dama was heavy...hashtag he need to be away from the explosion...hashtag page 11 to 13 shows he doesn't need to be mobile to use the bomb..

Hashtag his body wasnt supporting the weight anymore

Hashtag he could have just let it go so make sure Obito didnt get too close(if he was actually faster)

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Secondly the guy didn't move for 8 PAGES!!!!!!! you know what that tells me? he loved that spot❤❤. Why would he move? Everyone is coming to him.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

maybe he did get caught off balance a bit? cuz look at his lean on page 7. What lean? Thats the usual running and throwing/palm attack pose.

Page 11 debunks that crap outta this point because he is thowing it again just fine

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

And no, look at page 5 he was kinda smirking there whilst the bomb was forming... Because he was hype that he could make a TBB.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

page 6 shows the struggle-ish face coincidentally after the bomb was fully formed. His clone had the same face after passing through Obito. He makes this face almost any time he attacks.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Naruto's reaction to Obito's speed can be seen page 8, first panel..the dots What happened to Naruto doesnt want Obito to get close?

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Naruto actually finally managed to move a leg between 8 and 9
 * Gai made his entry on page 8, on page 9 he landed also on page 9 we saw naruto not moving! and was left in the same spot...kinda tells me he wasn't trying to move. And if Obito was moving FASTER than KCM Naruto as you mentioned, then Gai would've still been late, falling or not....

If Guy pushed off of something, with decent timing he would have made it. Which he would because he is smart and this is a series where even the lower level ninjas can walk on water/walls/ceilings.

The fall of gravity is a horrible joke at this point in the series and relying on it for anything is like trying to cool lava with an ice cube.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

He only dodged, kept up with and snuck attack the dude who pulled off this feat. Where was it even shown or stated that he couldnt move at this speed? Your entire argument was based of this presumption but we were never given Obito's upper limit and as i said, he dodged, kept up with, and successfully snuck attack this same Naruto.
 * This chapter will kinda explain the rest, chapter 571 [bijju mode],page 2 shows the ditance the bombs are away from each other, notice the attack from the 7 tails also who is in mid air. Third panels shows that the bombs were launched [this will kinda reduce the distance naruto will need to travel] Page 3 shows that Naruto blitz the bomb away [hashtag topspeed, hashtag realspeed, hashtag Obito never did anything close, hashtag stop the wank ya'll]...

No duh Obito never speedblitzed 6 TBB because no one ever launched 6 TBB at him(pretty sure they disintegrate him but that doesnt rule out him moving as fast as Naruto did)

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

we can see MIGHT GAI! being surprised asking is that naruto? Because Naruto unlocked a new form he never seen before and there was a dust storm in his face

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: kakashi was also shocked seeing what he thought was minato... Because Naruto unlocked a new form he never seen before and there was a dust storm in his face. All he could see was a faint outline that resembled Minato

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Now the kamui spammer was found to be shocked by that speed on the last panel also. Being shocked doesnt mean he isnt that fast. Characters are shocked by certain feats of characters all the time but that doesnt put the character pulling that feat above the one who is shocked.

One of the first things we saw of Kakashi was him shitting his pants because Sasuke busted out a Fireball Jutsu, but he dodged it, and countered it, and later displayed much higher level jutsu.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

That's kinda Naruto's top speed so if Obito was going faster than Naruto, Gai would'nt been able to see him [as this chapter proves] This chapter proves that he can see him at his top speed considering he commented on it instead of being confused and not understanding what happened

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

But no! all obito did was take a jump forward....as is mentioned before this is something anyone can do, he'll get credit for covering the distance kinda quick tho. Not everyone can thrust themselves in any direction with the speed and force of KCM Naruto and Obito

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

If Naruto was sooo much faster he could just turn around escape without issue.
 * Let's not ignore the fact that Naruto was jumping backwards and still Obito could'nt catch him, no one can move effective enough with that running/jumping style. And i thank you for noticing this, glad someone did. since obito was stuck in mid air, he used his gunbai to catch up....but he wasn't really stuck in mid air, there were so many rocks...

He stopped chasing because he had a sneakier and more effective way to get Naruto. And it worked. Because Naruto was too slow to run away.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Rinnegan has 6 Paths chakra which up character stats.
 * Neither.ONE it was nowhere stated that it grants speed boost if you have a proof then i'll really shut up xd. TWO he didn't even have a speed boost, i mean if he did they could've atleast showed us a blitzing scene so we can like chill back and say yeh he is fast ;_-...

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Nowwwww lets take a look at chapter 549 [itachi's question], i did say if you guys are gonna argue that obito is fast as naruto i would do the same with Itachi also including the bullettime excuse. Itachi was fast enough to launch a grand katon, replace himself with a clone, jump up and head to naruto's location, land a hit on him dodging the swing of his left arm also, bottom panel on page 6 shows that they both landed on the ground, itachi swung his foot at naruto who successfully dashed away, Page 7 shows Itachi suddenly at the spot naruto dashed to, woah how did he get there?( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) blocking a swing of naruto's right hand whilst LOOKING in the left [not on naruto, not on bee]...then he dodged a point blank attack from a swordsmans without even looking at where the blade swing was coming from, also made 2 flips and covvered roughly 30-40 feet....kinda impressive ;_;. But yet nothing hints that Itachi can dodge ay, cuz i know that naruto wasn't fighting top speed there, but you guys on the other hand are so desperate you're struggling to find a speed feat for the kamui spammer, looking at smallllll stuff, like naruto not moving having his feet in the air while obito dashed at him and then you, combat [which shocked me] said that he is faster....if i were to play at the same game i would say Itachi is capable of dodging ay also because he instantly reached to where naruto dashed to on page 6-7........ Whats the point in typing all of that if you are going to admit Naruto wasnt using his higher levels of speed against Itachi? How is Naruto not fighting to survive and having his limits pushed constantly relate to his fight with Obito? You are ignoring the contexts of these fights to make a point that ultimately fails because of said contexts

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

@Asian....he clearly didn't use that level of speed against the kamui spammer so that's kinda the reason why i said what i said. "Clearly didnt use that level of speed" despite Naruto straining himself constantly and being pushed to his limits constantly.