Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34436445-20180604184258/@comment-34194151-20180712032635

Disregarding FTG for a second, Minato is significantly faster than Madara in running speed. Sure, Minato dictates the distance. But it doesn't matter. The instant he gets into CQC, the fight becomes about taijutsu skills. Madara has the EMS providing precognition, Minato may have better reflexes, but it doesn't matter because Madara has superior taijutsu skills and is more experienced. You need to be Hashirama level and up, Minato simply lacks the power and skills. Reflexes aren't enough with a deficit in skill, and its not like his hand movements are untrackable by the sharingan, we have seen Mangeyko Sasuke, who has lesser reflexes than V1 AY, react to his elbow bolt due to sharingan.

Madara wasn't "Fairly surprised" he was alarmed by the fastest ninja of the warring states period blitzing him from behind without warning, anyone would have the excalamation point. Ok, sure he used Sage Mode to avoid it, but I doubt it mattered. The story made it clear that EMS Madara>Tobirama during the Warring States period, even with Tobirama's superior speed and FTG. Tobirama was only equal to Madara and Izuna when they had MS, likely because their stamina drained fast and their combat abilities were dwarfed due to the strain. Unless you have some kind of an argument as to Tobirama being able to beat EMS Madara, Minato doesn't do much better. He has better use of the FTG, better speed, but all he is a better Tobirama in those categories, nothing Madara's experience can't handle.

Minato's FTG from behind isn't instantly beating the likes of Madara, he couldn't even do that to teenage Bee for free, Bee still reacted to him, even if Minato had the edge. Madara is leagues above that Killer Bee, and honestly the attempted throat slash from behind is so cliche, its the obvious move and Madara would see it coming. This is Madara not Scrubdara.

I never said Minato doesn't high levels of stamina with FTG, but he doesn't exactly have an edge over Madara in that department. He isn't gonna be able to evade attacks forever, he will have to come to Madara, and he will because he is a close range fighter anyway.

Minato's shortcomings simply highlight that he isn't untouchable, and he can be touched by the likes of Hashirama/EMS Madara. I'm simply expanding the "God-mods" class you defined. While FTG is instant, the user can still be reacted to when they appear.

But in fairness, you have been opening my eyes to the OPness of the FTG...