Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180727165341/@comment-34656247-20180809104547

LegionZero wrote: Im "making up stuff now" lol. What does juubito have to do with Obito during the KCM fight now? The guy who has god level stats? I mean he only speedblitzed Tobirama, the like, 3rd fastest dude in the series so far. No duh they are going to comment how fast he is in that moment because he is outspeeding their top speedsters. He wasnt doing that before he was matching/competing with them. Um yea you're making stuff up..did so 2 times.He has nothing to do with this fight but this is the only time Obito became fast and we can literally see it. Unlike in the fight against kcm naruto where he just phases through naruto and then tries to touch the guy at the last momement, or in your  bullet-time  scenes. And yea Naruto was the top speeder there, they saw Naruto speed biltz over 6 bijju dama [i think] but yet they didn't leave a comment on Obito's speed? sure😅

CombatIQmatters wrote: @Jason, I honestly would have to do some significant rereading. But as I said Nighy Guy was borderline light speed or at least really high relativistic speeds in order to bend space, the only character who has moved fasted enough to do that. Guy is a beast, but we also could see him moving. This example proves that the manga is often in bullet time. We have to rely on context clues to tell when it's being employed. We can see might guy moving on panel but he should not be visible at all in the manner he is with the speed he is going at. The anime takes liberties in its depiction alot unfortunately. The anime makes the technique look way slower than it actually is, and there are probably many other examples of animators screwing up/adding in unnecessary/incorrect scenes. Like look at kakashi vs kakazu in the anime vs the manga lol. They take a lot of liberties there too. The dragon avatar that came over night gai was more of the reason why was he was able to bend space i would say. No? as soon as that came on the whole bending space thingy was possible, he surely was fast in other modes,his speed was like shunshin-like and whats faster than teleportation? When Gai was charging at Madara, his speed got commented on by Madara himself, i don't think Madara would be able to see things moving at the speed of light and have enough time to make that remark. That's also context clues i guess. The animators just adds in a dew scenes to increase frame-time, but i don't think do would exaggerate it, i mean Itachi's susanoo was shown in the manga to be capable of slicing the heads of the snakes easily, as seen when he sliced 7 heads in one swing....in the anime all 7 heads didn't go at once, 2 went first then the susanoo got wrapped around and then they got chopped off. [screen time being increased]..you said the anime makes techniques slower than it actually is,then how will we know the actual speed of it to decide that the anime makes them slower? context clues? not really good enough, i mean look at context clues being misused in this debate, Obito is suddenly as fast a KCM Naruto, who is faster than Ay, and one can hardly see Ay with the sharingan.

Is weightless kid rock lee faster than Hidan??? is gated rock lee faster than Ayy ? It's hard to tell these things because we don't always see a constant reference for speed. See in part one they seemed to imply that even weightless rock lee was slower than the jounin. But it looked like he was faster than anyone of them. If we look at Hidan in the anime he looks slow, but based on portrayal he should be faster than kid lee (without gates), so bullet time might have been used in say Asuma vs Hidan. Is this flawed logic? All i can say is that, that's the reason why i turn to the anime to see how fast the characters really are, when in the manga all the proof we have is on-lookers praising their speed, a few lines and scratches and now the argument whether bullet-time is included makes deciding the actual speed of a person even difficult. The animators include stuffs to increase frametime as i said before, but i still trust them who knows maybe they got a characters stats book thingy from the author himself just so they don't mess up and then there's experiences and stuff..i know they just won't ;_;