Talk:A Shinobi's Dream…!!

Timeline screw-up... again
So, folks, looks like Kishi effed up the timeline again:
 * When Madara and ōnoki (why don't we have capital ō/ū, btw?) fight, Madara's still a Konoha ninja.
 * When ōnoki and the tsuchikage talk, ōnoki is younger than when he fought Madara, while the Tsuchikage is older than when the first kage meeting was held.
 * The first kage meeting, however, was only held after Hashirama defeated Madara and collected Kurama and a few other Bijū.

The reason I think this to be a mistake is because when the Tsuchikage lectures onoki, his beard has grown since he met the other kage. Is that enough proof to consider the whole thing as a mistake? Seelentau 愛議 08:15, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * When was a timeline established for the first meeting except for in this chapter? I think Hashirama was tackling tailed beast way before that, Kurama was possibly the last because he noted that he could "no longer allow him to roam free" or what have view. So he could've had the others but no Kurama. So timeline for me would go: Hashirama has tailed beast except Kurama→ meeting is held (young Tsuchikage)→ other guys get their beasts/$→ Kurama becomes issue→ Madara goes to Mū and Ōnoki and says screw what you agreed to, swear fealty to Konoha. The last two can be interchanged.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 08:23, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * But Hashirama wanted to give the beasts to the other countries to balance the power between them, meaning he already had a beast (Kurama), while the others hadn't (except for suna). Seelentau 愛議 08:36, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * If i may butt in...since Hashi has the power to supress the tailed beasts, i don't believe the balance was threatened in anyway. Darksusanoo (talk) 08:39, September 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think Cerez "timeline" is probably on the money, the last two are probably interchangable because like because like Seelentau said, Madara was still a Konoha ninja when he had his meeting with Mu and Ohnoki. Kurama became an issue after Madara used him, which was after he went rouge. Do not forget that Kumo tried to capture Kurama before, with the Gold and Silver Brothers, but they were eaten instead. Since Kurama was sealed inside of Mito after Hashirama's fight with Madara, that means this attempt pre-dates the battle. Ay also explained that after the Gold and Silver Brothers assimilated the Nine-Tails' chakra, another shinobi attempted to do the same with one of Gyuki's tentacles, but died, meaning Gyuki was already in Kumo's possession before Madara and Hashirama's duel, but then again we don't know which Tailed Beast Kumo was given for the agreement. Omega64 (talk) 08:43, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

I think we're forgetting that Madara left, once Hashirama was appointed Hokage. But hey, just b/c the Perriot anime portrayed Madara w/ a Konoha headband, doesnt mean it's right. That's wrong. But back to the point, just b/c Madara was loyal to the "interest" of Konoha, doesnt mean he was still considered a shinobi aligned to it. I cant say for sure if i support either Cerez's or Selen's P.O.V., so i'll, just remain neutral, for now. KotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 09:06, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well the problem with that is the Leaf Headband was in both the manga and the anime. Remember, we don't know how much time passed between the creation of the village and Madara's defection. Hashirama was indeed Hokage when Madara defected, but how much time between Hashirama's coronation and Madara's defection afterwards it still unknown. Abandoning your clan and village was probably something that took Madara some time to consider. Remember when he met with Mu and Ohnoki, even though he was a Leaf ninja, he still had a great deal of hatred for Hashirama, as he wouldn't even allow them to say his name. So its perfectly possible that the Five Kage Summit occurred, then Madara fought with Mu and Ohnoki, and finally he defected and used Kurama to attack the Leaf. Omega64 (talk) 09:39, September 25, 2013 (UTC)