Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32369776-20170706150024/@comment-30426414-20170715050548

Ninjachris wrote: By your reasoning I could say that hagoromo was no stronger than naruto since they both needed help to seal/defeat kayuga. But we obviously know hagoromo is strong despite not knowing all his feats. Saying sasuke's susano is stronger because it did something that Madara's didn't get the opportunity to do is silly especially when we know Madara is one of the strongest characters in the manga.

Thats not the same thing. My reasoning is different because we know that Sasuke's susanoo is powered by original six paths chakra and Madara's is not. So we cannot assume that whatever Sasuke can do, Madara can do as well. If they both had this six paths chakra we could make that assumption but since Sasuke's technique is powered by a stronger source, obviously it would be more potent. The same goes for the Hagoromo situation, anything Naruto can do, we can assume that Hagoromo can do it much better if he has the same tools, since Hagoromo's chakra is stronger.

Ninjachris wrote: There is no evidence that rinnegan sasuke is faster or stronger than rinnegan Madara,

There is plenty of evidence in the sense that Sasuke's speed feats outclass that of rinnegan Madara's. Seriously, by your logic I can argue that Kaguya isn't faster than Hashirama since we have never seen Hashi's full speed. Sasuke was on par with a much faster version of rinnegan Madara (TTJ Madara). So how is rinnegan Madara supposed to compete with a much faster version of himself? It's impossible, so obviously Sasuke is faster. Cmon dude.

Ninjachris wrote: Madara didn't use any wood release techs during this battle which sasuke has no answer for.

Lets evaluate all the wood release techniques Madara has:

Wood Clone Technique - Can be used for distractions at best, Madara is better off using Limbo clones.

Wood Release: Advent of a World of Flowering Trees - Sasuke flies up to avoid the pollen.

Wood Release Secret Technique: Nativity of a World of Trees - Sasuke flies up again.

Wood Release: Wood Dragon Technique - Sasuke traps it in a CT.

So no wood release jutsu can do anything to Sasuke.

Ninjachris wrote: He can easily allow himself to get caught by ameno and counter with his limbo clones or wood release.

How can he afford to get stabbed in the heart with a sword since he can't regenerate?

Ninjachris wrote: You try to make sound as if ameno is a one shot sure kill tech when sasuke has never killed, defeated or subdued anyone with it single handedly, not even fodder like shin.

I give this to Madara.

I don't care that Sasuke never killed anyone with it before, the fact remains that he did this to Madara and nothing has changed in this situation except we're talking about a much weaker version of Madara and the same version of Sasuke. Since this is a battle, Madara will still charge towards Sasuke or Sasuke will charge towards him and history will repeat itself with Madara ending up with a sword in his chest. So please tell me how exactly Madara will win this with a hole in his heart?

Kakashisologod1 wrote: Sasuke wouldev had killed madara if he wasnt immortal with ameno twice.

Thank you, I don't know how this escapes him.