Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33308438-20180614101055/@comment-33959444-20180627213937

@Natrix Sorry for the late reply. I didn't get notified. As for your reply, there's nothing to imply Sasuke's Amaterasu being dodged by Ay doesn't mean Itachi's wouldn't. If anything, Sasuke's Amaterasu is more potent because of his ability to control the flames. It's your point, so you're the one who has to give the evidence for Itachi's Amaterasu being faster. Also, it's true Itachi can set the markings on fire, but Minato can make new markings with his hands. Look at how skilled he was with FTG when he fought Juubito. Him and tobirama pulled out some amazing stuff. Sure, Itachi could set a large-scale Amaterasu, but that takes a large amount of Chakra. Even if he isn't sick, that'd take a toll on him. Minato, meanwhile, could just teleport away. His base speed shouldn't be slower than Ay's. It was stated his Shunshin (body flicker/base speed) was faster than Tobirama's, who Madara stated was the fastest of his time, even faster than the Sage Mode Hashirama whose base counterpart was outrunning a Majestic ATtire Susano'o and reacting to his attacks. How is it implied Ay is faster than Minato? Minato relying on FTG doesn't mean his base speed is slower. Are you going to tell me that just because Juubito uses Gudo Dama on old Hiruzen, his physical power isn't good enough?

And just as you said Itachi is smart enough to make him look in his eyes, Minato is smart enough to catch him with FTG. Ino and Itachi comparison is flawed. The Manga actually has solid proof Ino's mind transfer hax could work on people a lot stronger than her. The only thing is they can break out effortlessly (took Obito 2 seconds). There's NO proof of Itachi's Genjutsu being able to work on anybody. Orochimaru being picked as Hokage candidate above Minato? Head canon if that means anything. Could have easily just been Hiruzen picking somebody he likes more because he was his student or the fact Orochimaru was more experienced.

I've read most of the thread, and these are some of the things I noted: Minato never stated Bee's moves were better. He stated his moves were good, like a killer. Minato never admitted inferiority. Bee doesn't have better reflexes than Minato. Complimenting doesn't mean you're admitting inferiority. Bee didn't have Minato at his mercy lol. Minato wasn't going for the kill. Otherwise, he wouldn't stand above Bee for several panels with a kunai to his neck like a fool. Minato left because his squad was retreating. They were about to retreat before Ay went for Minato, and that's when Minato had that kunai towards Bee. There's no way in hell Itachi's visual Genjutsu will hit Minato while he's teleporting. In order to use visual Genjutsu, he needs eye contact. He's not going to magically make eye contact with somebody who's teleporting. His only way to catch him is if he isn't teleporting. Itachi is not that fast as you're trying to make him out to be. I've already debunked that scan in the past. Also, Kaiser did the same thing. Bee couldn't react to Itachi? He doesn't need an exclamation point above his head to show he reacted. That only shows shock. Naruto dodged Madara's light beam attack without the exclamation mark. I feel like some of your points are just trolls. You seemed more reasonable before.

@Flat Minato not finishing off Ay? How does that mean anything? By that logic, I'm pretty sure that if Itachi was so strong, Orochimaru would not live to tell the tale. At least that criticism ACTUALLY makes sense considering Oro was a threat to all nations while Ay, Minato predicted, would become a nice Raikage. Hint: He eventually did and he became the commander of the allied forces.

@Jason It was explained how Genjutsu is broken when Team 7 and Chiyo fought that clone of Itachi. The more powerful one is, the easier it is.

And just as comparing Kaguya to Minato is far-fetched, comparing Itachi to Madara is far-fetched. Ay got caught in Madara's Genjutsu, not Itachi's.

What if Itachi simply can't catch him though?