Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30830650-20170125144949/@comment-27924662-20170428052543

XShadyShadow wrote: @EternalMangekyōRinneSharingan You don't think the RinneSharingan would do anything in a fight? It's the strongest dojutsu, lol. If anything the Rinnegan and Tailed beast chakra from Madara and Hagoromo will be the deciding factors. So I'm gonna have to severly disagree on the point that the RinneSharingan wouldn't do anything. We don't have feats but by logic new eye powers grant new abilities (Sharingan,MS,EMS,Byakugan,etc.) It's a re-occuring theme. Sure, we haven't seen any feats from it regarding Madara but it's a bit disingenuous to think that it can only do IT. You do realize that the reason Kaguya was able to dimension hop was because of the RinneSharingan correct? Not saying that Madara would do the same, just stating that it's highly unlikely that he wouldn't gain any abilities from obtaining the Rinnesharingan, it's a dojutsu powerup afterall. Was Rinne-Sharingan said to be the strongest dojutsu? I don't think so. Besides Rinne-Sharingan means that it's Kaguya fighting(especially considering TT was Kaguya and that hagoromo made the seals to prevent her awakening. All Madara did was reverse them so logically speaking it would be kaguya fighting) And besides I don't think Madara even has the reserves to use Rinne- Sharingan. XShadyShadow wrote: Regarding Madara's Limbo:

"Perceiving this phantom is impossible, the enemies unpreparedness invites disaster.A person who posses the Rinnegan can intervene in an adjacent world, an extremely distance world. In that space a shadow is produced, which everyone who is connected with the current world can't feel. Not only will the jutsu user gain a duplicate of himself with "equal ability", but it will also be invisible. Squaring of against a user, counter attack is impossible, going up against this ability will result in one losing against such a powerful enemy. The Rinnegan can shape one shadow. With a complete set of two Rinnegan it can shape 4. When fighting the enemy in close combat the shadow will stay away. But after a time the shadow will return." According to a translation from the 4th databook, although we aren't entirely sure seeing as though Madara hasn't displayed it.

Susano'o wouldn't be that big of an advantage for Hag, a pre-Juubi amped Madara was able to subdue all nine tailed beasts with one strike for each beast with just one Limbo, so even if their use of ninjutsu is called into debate their taijutsu should be enough considering there would be five people. If they both begin absorbing each other's jutsu then it's not as simple as "someone's gonna slip up." Their gonna go into a battle of Taijutsu as ninjutsu would prove ineffective for both, and in terms of that Madara has the superior feats by far. Not only that but he has four Limbo clones of himself, so essentially Hagoromo would have to fight 5 Madaras. I'm sure Hagoromo doesn't slack for taijutsu, but I don't see him fighting off five Madara's all at once especially with the feats he displayed. Not only this but Madara instantly regenerated half of his body after absorbing the Shinju tree, meaning that even if Hagoromo did manage to damage him severly he'd likely recover from it, he also has the option to swap himself out with a Limbo clone. Hagoromo would be far more likely to make a mistake than Madara because he could easily be pressured far more from Limbo. three things I would point out here: 1)Hagoromo can "see" the shadow. 2)Hagoromo too can use shadow clone(also he has significant advantage in ninjutsu especially since he doesn't has to weave many signs being Kaguya's son and all) 3)The power of both Indra and Ashura is his base power. It's a natural for him unlike madara Which means his use would be significantly much better than Madara. I don't know why you are making fuss about limbo, but it's definitely not gonna give him any advantage over Hagoromo XShadyShadow wrote:

But this debate in itself is speculation due to the fact that we've never seen Madara go all out, especially in his final form and we haven't seen enough from Hagoromo. Before you talk about Madara going all out, Think about Hagoromo's Base state(the chakra he inherited from kaguya) That by itself would far more than Madara's own chakra(or even from Hashirama's cells). That by itself should give a highly significant advantage. Besides if I remember correctly Hagoromo could use ninjutsu without hand-signs that should give him another significant advantage.