Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180719181710/@comment-34194151-20180831011630

Kakazu didn't necessarily have madara's experience, that is a big assumption.

Madara even with the rinnegan can detect the original from shadow clones, something kakazu could not do.

Kakazu lost to naruto because it was a bad matchup. Kakazu is an orthodox fighter who's battle experience never included multi shadow clone users, and he was used to fighting against opponents who use standard tactics. Naruto, has been repeatedly renowned for his clone feints, his prankster personality, and being known as a knuckleheaded and unpredictable ninja. Kakazu's experience worked against himself and backfired, because he didn't think naruto would be stupid enough/clever enough/ suicidial enough to actually place himself with diversionary clones, which kakazu already showed he could defeat, he just couldn't defeat the diversionary clones without leaving himself exposed to a rasenshuriken flank. Naruto outsmarted kakazu because naruto is simply thinks outside the box in a way no one else would expect, and kakazu clearly was having trouble fighting against a skilled clone user. he was conditioned to focus on the "real naruto" wielding rasenshuriken, and the moment he focused on that he lost. he was also unforuntate enough to have the restriction of not being allowed to kill naruto, he had to capture him alive, so he couldn't just obliterate him with a large scale technique carelessly, and even if he tried, naruto's allies would have countered it. Madara on the other hand fought against a clone feinter argubaly as good as naruto, in hashirama, regularly, while hashirama likely fodderized kakazu the one time they fought, so consider these different variables.

Also, the Black Zetsu argument is a bad one, because he is arguably the smartest character in the universe. His age, wisdom, his spying abilities, and manipulation capabilities make him the smartest overall without a doubt, because he has much more raw knowledge to work with. Black Zetsu didn't outwit him in 1v1 fair combat, he just blindsided Madara while he was focused on naruto and sasuke, and most of the fandom regard that as an asspull anyways. But I'm also pretty sure that it was stated that Zetsu can't be sensed conventionally.

Naruto and sasuke probably win due to stat differences though.