Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-35971603-20181204005740

CombatIQmatters wrote: @Duviee.

I'm confident that Team Orochimaru can deal with yakasa matagama, but that isn't the issue. Itachi has shown one of his combos to be yakaska matagama as a diversion, into totsuka blade as the finisher. Totsuka blade one shots each of these opponents once it connects, so their immortality is ignored here. Have you not seen it sealing EDO TENSEI Nagato away? Orochimaru can summon as many rashomon gates as he wants. When the matagama collide and detonate, they will explode, creating a large smokescreen. What is konan gonna do during that time? She isn't versatile, all she can do is send paper projectiles and throw paper bombs. Kimimaro is more versatile than she is, but even he is primarily a close range fighter. The totsuka blade itself is incredibly fast when it is used as a piercing move, I highly suggest you take a relook at at chapter 551 pg 14. Nagato, the third ridoku, despite being juiced up gyuki chakra, could not register a mental reaction to the speed of the totsuka blade. So orochimaru blocks the matagama for his teammates using rashomon, the beads explode, and a smokescreen ensues, and orochimaru is dying to the totsuka blade. Now,I like orochimaru's character, but he isn't reacting to a technique as fast as totsuka when it's gonna be very difficult to see coming in the first place.

The only ranged technique that will be useful for kimimaro is his Bracken Dance, and I'm sure he will use it, but Itachi can simply jump away from that, protect himself with susano'o in mid air, then chakra walk/hop from bone to bone. With the sharingan, the fact he knows what to expect from kimimaro, and incredible reflexes and jumping speed, it shouldn't be an issue.

Also, where is it stated that the matagama is made of fire? Also, fire beats wind in naruto, not the other way around, though in real life you would be right.

Furthermore, I think you are underestimating how powerful susano'o is as a defense.

Lol, let's get give you some insight into itachi's crows, because his crows are clearly S rank ninja animals. Chapter 387 pg 12. Itachi's crows after dispersing from a crow clone stunned hebi sasuke, allowing Itachi to catch sasuke in tsykuyomi. Chapter 580 pg 12-15. Itachi's crows stun sage mode kabuto and allow itachi to easily cut his horn off, and that wasn't the only time it happened. I suggest you rewatch that whole fight. orochimaru, even in sage mode, isn't responding to itachi's crows, nor itachi's follow up attack, and he isn't substituting out, itachi is faster than he is.

We have already seen Itachi is capable of orchestrating an entire battle, that's what he has done in almost every fight he has been in, lmao. His entire fight with sasuke was scripted from beginning to the end, people just downplay his intelligence. It's not that he is omniscient, he obviously isn't, he is just better than most other characters in the series at what he does. Orochimaru's intelligence is mostly in the development of jutsu and the study of the natural world, which has granted him immortality and a wide range of jutsu, but not as an in battle tactician. When it comes to battle, he is more experienced than he is intelligent. He is certainly the strongest of the Sannin, I'll give you that.

To the smoke cloud thing, That would betoken that the smoke cloud Would be astronomically immense enough to Even Circumvent the team. I dont know how sizably voluminous its smoke clouds are? And what can konan do? oh i dont know Become paper? tens of thousands of separate sheets of paper Flying in hundreds of seperate directions. thats what she could do, again it seems you're Discounting anything an enemy can do And saying itachi would hit them with the sword and gg, they couldnt dodge. And you're saying that Once the bead hits a rashomoun the smoke that might or might not transpire, Would magically aerially circumvent the Gargantuan and long Barrier, then Pass around the Cyclopean and long barrier behind that one, and then to the third abaft the one, and cover The enemy team... Veraciously Scripting a fight, and things that wouldnt transpire arent getting you anywhere.

A jutsu of the same kind, Yasaka magamata Emanates from blaze release category, So around fire. Anyways.

And no. Fire does not naturally beat Wind in naruto. Show me proof to this. If you shoot a fire jutsu of (lets use numerals) a puissance of 3/10 and a wind jutsu at the puissance of 3/10 the wind will win because wind pushes Fire that doesnt have a form, Simply. Not its different, if the fire is 6/10 while the wind is 3/10 Then the Fire would win. But naturally no, fire would not acquire victory.

About your crow conversation, i'm not sure what you're saying? Are the clones composed of Crows? or what. Anyways orochimaru is insanely sturdy like i've expressed not only can he just oral renaissance himself from damage, but to damage him in the first place is prodigiously arduous. okay- A few crows fly at him? hell lets express hundreds, *MANDA*, or *EXTREMELY ASTRONOMICALLY IMMENSE SNAKES*, or *LITERALLY ANY JUTSU THAT CAN KILL SOME CROWS* etc. incase you are saying the clones abaft him are those puissant crows then, refer to my anterior replication about Substitution which is a thing that subsists.

I concur with you at the cessation, itach is very perspicacious but we're not itachi dolefully, so we wouldnt be able to orchestrate out the fight the way he would. We can merely make posits which would probably be entirely erroneous, and to integrate on. We can genuinely Script out the entire battle because again, we arent itachi, orochimaru Konan etc. WE dont have their minds We couldnt express They would do this! or this. We can at most Say they might? and whatever.