Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-45510280-20200416210937/@comment-6769189-20200430093807

Squinty97 wrote:

@Legion Did the anime or manga reference the novels? I'm not aware of these instances. Boruto anime and manga.

Squinty97 wrote:

That timeline has information that's false lol, that's my point. False in the sense that it isnt up to date but that doesnt invalidate that they put the novels in the timeline. If a new timeline was released without the novels then this argument would make sense.

Squinty97 wrote:

That timeline is specifically to show when the novels take place, isn't it? Yea. Not sure how this helps your argument because it is placing them in the Naruto-Boruto timeline. If they didnt have a place in it, they wouldnt go out if their way to say where they went, again, like every Naruto movie before The Last

Squinty97 wrote:

Against Obito. He thought he was Madara, who could kill the Leaf if Itachi died. It would fit his cover motivation of wanting to test his abilities. Itachi could have waited til he was in Akatsuki or before, either way works. If he didn't wait, that just meant he'd have to find Akatsuki on his own (and Akutsuki most likely would have sought him out anyways, which is what they do, shown with Deidara). And the Akatsuki wouldn't care if he killed Obito, Kakuzu killed his partners all the time til he got Hidan. Itachi take on the legendary who he thought was Madara Uchiha whom he has little to no knowledge of his abilities. If you want to make this argument he would actually have to fight him, which he never did. And with this logic we can call into question all of Itachi's abilities. "Does Totsuka really seal everything? He didnt use it against Madara/Obito" "cant say Yata Mirror blocks whatever hits it because Itachi didnt use it to defend from Obito/Madara"

This isnt to mention that Itachi is aware that MS users can break out of Tsukuyomi so Tsukuyomi would have been a dumbass choice against Madara Uchiha. Squinty97 wrote:

Oh, so he did have a thing with her, that's news to me. But meh, he also deeply cared for his parents too, which was shown. Yet he used the most taxing jutsu possible... at the very beginning of the night? What? Yea, because he cared about her and wanted to give her a peaceful death. Unlike his parents, she wasnt planning on attacking the Leaf.

Squinty97 wrote:

Wait now I'm actually reading the article on her. It says that in the anime, they met at a different time than in the novel, and that also in the anime she dies to Obito and not to Itachi? So uh, take that as you will. Apparently there's only two instances of her death (and of their meeting), and they contradict. Yea. The anime adaptation is almost completely different from the novels. I take the stance of source material>adaptation unless all future mediums acknowledge the adaptation

Squinty97 wrote:

Kakashi actually did steel himself to kill Obito and went for the killing stroke twice on him. In the midst of battle yea, but when Obito laid immobile he got all sentimental instead.

Also, the Rin incident, where she had to kill herself because Kakashi let his enotions get the better of him. This is the same girl he was willing to leave in enemy hands to die not long before

Squinty97 wrote:

He also went for the kill against Sasuke too. After trying to reason with him. Sasuke was about to merc Sakura and Kakashi wanted to talk it out with him.

Squinty97 wrote:

Hiruzen was known for being very softhearted; he didn't want the Uchiha massacre to happen but Itachi knew it had to be done. This was the difference in their thinking. I didnt mention Hiruzen...

Squinty97 wrote:

Jiraiya being one of the legendary Sannin doesn't mean anything in this discussion lol. He was a powerful combatant, but loyal to his comrades. That's different than the series' potrayal of Itachi's kind of self-sacrificing nature. When it came time to stop Orochimaru, he tried to "save him". If he was so loyal to his comrades he should have taken out Orochimaru who had defected and performed horrific experiments on people, many of whom were people of the Leaf.

Squinty97 wrote:

Hashirama's entire character was an idealist. He still probably killed the shit out of a majority of his opponants.

But if thats how you see him then what about the time he actually killed Madara? One scene he would die for him and then later takes his life. Literally opposite ends of the spectrum. Is it not OoC for him to do that?

Squinty97 wrote:

Zabuza had feelings yeah but he pretty much ignored them and still went to kill Kakashi. Even the most hardened hearts are shifted when someone close to them dies. So when stone cold killer Zabuza expresses sorrow and enacts vengeance because of a loved one, its "even the most hardened hearts are shifted" but when Itachi give someone he loves a peaceful death and a chance to experience life they otherwise wouldnt its "OoC and doesnt make sense for him"

Squinty97 wrote:

Yeah, because Naruto swayed him lol. I always thought his plan was to hurt everyone to the point of understanding why they shouldn't try to hurt each other anyways. So peace would be born out of understanding pain, not fear of Nagato. IIRC his plan was to blow up a country or 2 and then basically hold the world hostage, uniting them under fear and pain then kill anyone who stepped out of line

Naruto swayed him but killed his former teacher Jiraiya, the man who saved him and his friend's lives as children.

Seemed pretty resolute and unwilling to change for anyone. Until Naruto told bim how much he disagreed with his philosophy and offered no alternative to Nagato's plan. Byt you dont accuse him of being OoC.

Squinty97 wrote:

Yes but again, tremble, cry, yes Itachi has emotions. But how often is it that Itachi let's emotion get in the way of his efficiency? Pretty much never. He didnt let his emotions get in the way. He killed who he had to kill with almost no diff and according to his plan.

Its weird that all those other characters get a pass for acting differently than they did for 90% of their screen time and they have a good reason but Itachi doesnt have one in this one instance under unprecedented(for Itachi) situation.

Squinty97 wrote:

But yeah now my biggest gripe with the scene is that it even contradicts the anime. I'm not even claiming the anime has more of a say than the novels, but I'm not saying vice versa either. Now the feat is just outright contradicted by another media Wait.. what are you saying contradicts what?

There is a contradiction in the event but not so much the feat. To this day no limit has been put on Itachi's Tsukuyomi and until it is made clear that the novel's version of the events are not canon/in continuity there isnt much reason to invalidate the feat