Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36019309-20190114073523/@comment-35409024-20190130040202

Jason of Mangekyou wrote: "That doesn't make sense man, even if he has you in the genjutsu instantly the partner method would've still worked...but no kakashi denied that when he said it doesn't matter if you can break genjutsu or not. SO YEAh he was referring to the speed at which the jutsu is being executed at which is instant,they can't be of no help against an instantaneous mental attack...no matter how good the caster is at genjutsu the partner method would just overcome it as seen when Madara placed Ay under genjutsu, Ohnoki later frees him after 4 seconds or so, but unless the jutsu is instantaneous like tsukuyomi the partner method or normal method simply becomes useless so in this case just before Ohnoki even tries to rush to free the raikage he would've already been done for which is exactly what Kakashi was referring to so he instead instructed them to avoid eye contact..."

Why would the partner method with non Uchiha work when Kishimoto and Itachi stated before Kakashi even seen Itachi again, that only Uchiha with Sharingan can break it? You make no sense. Why would Kishimoto say Uchiha can break it when they cannot? You have no argument. Kishimoto said they can. Doesn't matter how unfathomable it is too you. What is Tsukuyomi? It's a Genjutsu that Itachi controls to the point he affects the perception of time itself. Who can break it? Elite Uchiha with Sharingan. That is without a doubt a fact. You need to prove it wrong. And as you said Tsukuyomi doesn't happen instantly. You said and proved that. So him referring to the illusion itself makes no sense whatsoever than the casting itself, which actually makes perfect sense. All you said in this post is your opinion on how Kakashi thinks and acts. The facts are clear. Tsukuyomi does not happen instantly according to you and the evidence you provided. The casting however does. So he therefore was talking about the casting.

Jason wrote: "Oh fudgkenwngwoeigbwgpb4gijgg;leg-94hnw.....did BEEEEEEE learn any new genjutsu countermeasure that you know of presently? noooooooooooo....the answer is N-O..it's that simple, you don't know of it, there is no proof of it, then the obvious conclusion is that it doesn't exist. You're just posing theories and theories aren't always right. Bee is already a fully developed character just like Naruto and Sasuke is. Tsukuyomi>>> Bee."

Like I said. You act like you're the creator of Naruto, basically saying Bee just sat around for ten years and never improved on his weaknesses. If you think I'm going to think a powerful wise Shinobi like Bee just sat around for over ten years and never improved himself, then you're wasting your time. You aren't convincing me to admit Bee can't break Genjutsu. Until I see Bee succumb to Genjutsu, don't waste your breath. You saying I pose a theory is just like you posing the theory that Bee never trained. So back at you. Please show me where it is stated that Bee never improved? As for your me and you statements, take it up with War. Cause as I said, he made a valid claim that non Uchiha can.

Jason wrote: "As you did before on certain words, like the word moment i want you to also use the literal rule to deduce what exactly he meant by stating maximum efficiency. Efficiency is derived from efficient and has the following meaning >>capable of producing the desired effect."

Show proof. That isn't there.

Jason wrote: "I just stated i wasn't talking about shippuden's scene. Did you even know what you just typed dude. The shippuden scene has kakashi specifically saying instant, the 'Naruto' scene has Kakashi saying Moment. I'm debating on the Naruto/Moment scene not shippuden which is exactly what you said in whatever you typed here, mentioning ASUMA and Kakashi saying moment is just you proving me right when i said i said i was talking about the naruto scene.. Prove me wrong with visual evidence. Also i see no proof of instant meaning 0.00 seconds..(btw the 'instant' im talking about is the one that was translated from 'moment')"

First off, no you weren't. Do i really need to hold your hand and show you where and when Kakashi saying moment was brought up and why? Okay. As you can clearly see. We have always been talking about Tsukuyomi being instantly for illusion or cast speed. You used Kakashi saying moment as proof it happens instantly for illusion. So...