Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-25192437-20150307225810/@comment-1458758-20150310014847

Seelentau wrote:
 * Can you prove that the only way to control sand is an ability and that ability being Magnet Release?
 * I can't, but I don't need to. You're the one with the burden of proof.
 * Yes. So what?
 * I doubt Kishimoto went that far into detail.
 * You mean we can speculate. :P
 * What I mean is, if the blood is mixed into the sand, then what does that have to do with Magnet Release?
 * I know.^^

Counter arguments:
 * Naruto has Yang and Sasuke has Yin in the databook. I suppose you mean the other way around. Well, confirming something to be a mistake because something else is also wrong, is not really helpful. Using that argument, we could classify anything as a mistake.
 * I know, but it's not about the substances (gold & sand), but about the chakra. Kakashi overpowered Kakuzu's Raiton, so why couldn't Gaara simply overpower Rasa's Jiton?
 * Please don't use wiki articles as arguments, they're written by users and can be changed by users. I know that the article states those things, but they're just assumptions and in my opinion the furthest we can go on this matter. Neither two types of Magnet Release nor the connection of Gaara's ringed eyes and his absolute defence were proven. Actually, the latter is entirely wrong, Gaara's absolute defence stems from his mother's chakra/will/whatever.

So no, at least I am not willing to say that Gaara has Magnet Release, simply because I understand both sides of the argument. I understand why some people see a connection and I understand why that connection may not be real.
 * The fact that nobody else in canon has controlled sand besides magnet style users?
 * Yes you bloody well do. The burden of proof is on me to prove that it is magnet release, but the burden on you is to prove that it is not, right now, the only evidence is for, you can't disrepute an argument simply by saying "I reject your hypothesis and don't need to explain myself" that Sir, is bollocks. If you have evidence against why it would be, then use it, it is not a reasonable argument to tell me I'm wrong without anything to back up your statement when I have evidence to the contrary.
 * So what? So how many dozens of techniques are there around here counted either as the same technique or the same type of technique purely by appearance and nature. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I'm pretty sure it's not a goat.
 * Perhaps not, but the fight with Kimimaro does reference the idea of various substances being used to make up Gaara's sand, so you can't reject the theory based entirely on "Sand isn't magnetic" when the sand in question could easily contain magnetic substances.
 * No, infer is right, I'm using evidence to produce a conclusion. I'm not basing this entirely off that one statement, I'm building a whole case here.
 * I just said, Blood is, at least in part, a magnetic substance, the abilities of Gaara's sand are enhanced when mixed with blood, so unless "it's red, so it goes faster" is the logic applied here, the quality that improves Gaara's combat ability when his sand is mixed with blood, is possibly this magnetic property.
 * Skipping the last one since we're seemingly in agreement on that.

Counter Arguments
 * I'm not saying that something else is wrong, so this must be too, I'm saying the Databook is an unreliable source because it has been proven repeatedly wrong. As far as a court case would go, the book would've been thrown out as an unreliable witness ages ago, because we can't say for any certainty that it is correct about this because it has been wrong about so many other things.
 * Kakashi overpowered Kakuzu's Raiton using his own because that was a clash of techniques. Now if I'm following what you're saying here, why didn't Gaara use his own ability to manipulate magnetic fields to specifically disrupt the ones Rasa was using to control his gold dust, is that it? Cause if that's the case then yeah, I honestly have no one answer for that. It could be that Gaara needed to be controlling his sand so as to lock down the other Kage, or that he wasn't used to the "Higher gravity" that Gold Dust has according to Rasa, I've no idea what that means, or that wrestling control of the dust from Rasa just would've taken more effort than it did to simply beat him down with his own sand. As proven in that fight, there was no great advantage to controlling one over the other, so ultimately I can only say it would be because taking control of the gold dust didn't matter so long as he had his own sand. I mean that's like saying you'll steal the other guy's kunai when you already have one.
 * Fair enough, but I can just as easily point to any number of other variants in style for Kekkei Genkai, No other lava user had rubber besides Dodai, no other wood user besides Madara made poisonous plants, no other Explosion user had clay bombs besides Deidara. It is very easy for the rings, as I do believe they are connected to Rasa's and by association Gaara's style of Magnet Release to be exclusive to them and not to appear with either Toroi and Naruto, who used this element in an entirely different fashion.

As it stands, you say the burden of proof is on me, well the way I see it, I have several solidly corroborating pieces of evidence and several circumstantial that come together to paint a pretty clear picture that Gaara has Magnet Release.

You have, by comparison, a source that has proven unreliable and a case or two where Gaara might not have it because he didn't make use of it as you would have expected him to. I'm not going to carry this any further, I've made my case to the best of my ability, if you still don't find it satisfactory, that's fine, but I won't be replying anymore, I've said all I can on the subject and if you're still not convinced there's sweet eff all I can do.