Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-35155071-20180330190048/@comment-26107879-20180410115731

@Legion

He fought Minato yes. He got his butt kicked yes. But he definitely did not keep up. There's a difference between being fast, and being intangible and catching your opponent off guard. Obito without Kamui hasn't showncased to keep up with any speedster.

One instance with Chakra arms you provided, name a few others. What chapters, other than the one where Naruto states he couldn't move? You also have yet to prove Naruto can manipulate his Chakra as fast as he can move.

In Chapter 594, he throws his Gunbai from afar. So what? He has Sharingan and Naruto is clearly at a great distance away. You can't prove they were close together since they were never shown in the same Manga Panel.

In Chapter 595, he uses Kamui. Kamui is teleportation. It doesn't require movement. So dodging an attack using teleportation isn't a physical speed feat.

In that same chapter, you refer to him catching Naruto off guard with Kamui LOL, coming underneath through a rock. Literally all your feats up to this point is him using teleportation. That doesn't make you physically fast. Nor does catching people off guard. Like literally, in the Panel before him coming from the ground, Naruto's eyes are literally shut. That isn't a feat.

Speaking of that chapter. I doubt Obito is physically as fast as Naruto in KCM if base Gai is able to force him to physically block a kick. Gai is fast, but in base form he isn't as fast as Naruto in KCM. He'd need to be in at least 5th Gate, and even then it can be debated (Since 7th Gate was shown but Ay was still stated to be the fastest until Naruto surpassed him).

In chapter 609, Obito has already activated the technique. Why give Obito a speed feat when it was the wood that caught him and not him moving physically? You do realize we are talking about physical speed right? Not technique speed. That chapter actually shows the opposite since Naruto headbutts him right after LOL. Yet, he is supposed to be as fast, has teleportation, and Sharingan, but couldn't dodge that? If he was physically as fast, Naruto wouldn't have hit him at all.

State the chapters. Cause as you clearly shown, you've been giving physical speed feats to techniques and surprise attacks.

@Killman

Same to you. State the chapters. I'm not going to look for evidence to support your claims. I don't recall Obito ever laying a finger on Minato. Nor did he showcase outspeeding him at all. All he did was avoid his attacks with Kamui, which again, isn't physical speed. Meanwhile, Minato did hit him, and even touched him. Though he utilized his Raijin. However, Minato clearly proved to be faster when he snatched Naruto away from him using just pure Physical Speed, far before he could even react. So, yea. Obito is definitely not on par with Minato. You're overreaching there budd.