Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36019309-20190114073523/@comment-35409024-20190123044835

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: This statement of yours probably wasn't structured correctly which is why is said what I said > "Because he wouldn't be able to break free according to Naruto "..... It seemed as if you don't believe in what Naruto said... No it seems that too Naruto, Bee couldn't break it. You made it that meaning with your assumptions. I can't say Bee can, or can't. I don't like making assumptions like some of you. What I know is Elite Uchiha can. But As War pointed out, that was at the time only they had that ability. Which is why I won't say he can or can't, because I'm not the writer of the series like some of you think you are. Ok i see you keep spamming this statement, so what exactly does the term Elite represent in this case hmm, let's use another example to see things differently, say if kishimoto stated that only females can beat Madara. does this mean any female can do it? no matter of age? say if one of them is so old she can't see properly, is she still eligible of defeating Madara?..good, just wanted to expand our understanding of this statement. Now by stating Elite sharingan weilders is kinda vague in a way, as one can be considered as an elite when he's just branded with a title...lets say if we have an ordinary uchiha with mangekyou, he's smart and all but is just elected as hokage, there he will be considered as an elite right away just because of the title hokage.. so according to the statement now this means that this ordinary dude can break tsukuyomi, just because of his title as elite right?. hmm. From how i see it only Main Uchiha characters would be able to potentially break it, Obito,sasuuke and Madara kinda falls under the spotlight here now. Still with that aside even being an elite or main character doesn't 1000000% guarantee you Tsukuyomi immunity, as the move can be pulled off in different ways..say we have Obito with a deactivated sharingan who then gets strucked by tsukuyomi..would it not work there now? or is he totally immune to tsukuyomi no matter the case lol....i don't think so... Wrong. Look up the word and you'll understand what that entails. Anyone that is an Uchiha and an elite (someone who is superior in terms of ability or qualities) shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness and obtained the Sharingan, can break Tsukuyomi. Why? Cause Kishimoto said it after verifying what Itachi said. So why wouldn't I keep repeating this clear fact when Itachi said it himself, then KIshimoto said it, and no one has proved it wrong. It doesn't matter what you think or feel, facts don't care about that. Kishimoto makes the rules. He made that rule. And you have to disprove it with an actual feat or statement from the series and not your personal feelings or opinion. only someone with the Kekkei Genkai and Sharingan can...wait, isn't the sharingan a kekkei genkai loll..anyways i accept your point. Not really. You should check out the Kekkei Genkai thread. A Kekkei Genkai is an anomaly of the DNA. This means you not only need the Sharingan itself, but the Dna of that creates the Sharingan. Kakashi has the Sharingan, but not the Dna itself. Ok what i was saying is the genjutsu is executed instantly...not that you fall in it instantly, which if i were to take your every word literally is exactly what you said >>> "He has you instantly, obviously means he has you in his Genjutsu "....that is literally how sharingan genjutsu works..mostly, what asuma said was as soon as itachi stopped talking Kakashi dropped to the ground, this is Asuma pointing out the speed tsukuyomi works at which is something we shouldn't even be arguing on since we know that it is a fast gjutsu..... If you're trying to say they meant instant due to how fast the technique transpires, then you are wrong. That is because it doesn't happen in an instant. That means at 0 seconds. But it happens in a matter of seconds as shown in the series and said on the Tsukuyomi page. If a second or two passes, it isn't instant. BrainBrand wrote: Let me ask you this, is this impossible: Itachi performs an illusion that was so torturous that the sharingan user can't concentrate enough to break it? We saw how Sasuke reacted when Itachi took his eye out and we know it could have been much worse. I can't say it is or it isn't since I am not the writer of the series. Unless it's stated or shown, it will only be an opinion of someone that doesn't have anything to do with the Naruto Universe. There's no particular illusion that's inherent to Tsukuyomi, it's highly variable and how torturous an illusion of, an genjutsu is, makes an astronomical difference in the opponent's concentration, as shown in the series. He can change it to make the opponent's worse nightmare. Your point is not leading you to success. Your going off topic. You think no one can break it, I have showed you this is wrong since Kishimoto and Itachi have said it. Whether some fall because they can't concentrate or not is irrelevant because the argument is that some can break it. I can defeat Madara, like you said means "I can defeat Madara", but that statement doesn't mean "I can defeat Madara in all conditions", just that they have the possibility to defeat Madara, in some conditions. The illusion that Itachi uses in the Tsukuyomi changes almost every time he uses it, it doesn't have a set illusion or set amount of time dilation, it's not the same as Madara having two arms, as he almost always has two arms, he doesn't change that on the regular. The Databook even says this: "The phenomena that happen inside of the mental realm are entirely the caster’s to command. Which is to say, the images shown or the actions taken can be changed according to the opponent in order to yield maximum efficiency." Can Madara fight with one hand? Can Madara fight with no eyes? Yes. He's done so. So if Kishimoto said someone can defeat Madara, he isn't talking about Madara with no eyes or one hand. He's talking about Madara in general. When he says Tsukuyomi, he is talking about it in general. It and all it's effects. Tsukuyomi IS A GENJUTSU THAT ITACHI CONTROLS AT WILL. Tsukuyomi is not seperate from time dilation. Time Dilation is a component of Tsukuyomi. Tsukuyomi is the name of the Genjutsu. You keep trying to separate Tsukuyomi from it's effect. Kishimoto said Tsukuyomi. That means everything that is Tsukuyomi. Everything that is included in Tsukuyomi. If the writer says you can defeat Madara, that means him entirely. Not a piece of him. Not just his toes. No, everything that is included and makes Madara, Madara. Having the potential to break Tsukuyomi doesn't mean their capable of it currently, but that they can become capable of it in the future. Your argument is no one can. Mine is, someone can. So your argument is pointless. Same goes with the next one after this.