Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34436445-20180604184258/@comment-34194151-20180710002044

@LegionZero

1.That isn't a good example. Gaara had already grabbed Madara unexpectedly with the sand and was controlling his movements. He got tagged by the sand because he didn't see it coming, and that was only because Ohnoki gave Gaara a sudden boost in his ability to control sand.

2. So you think Minato can lolblitz Madara? He isn't THAT fast. Madara is no where near as fast in running speed as Minato (the fast shinobi in the series), and true Minato has FTG, but even with those, he can still react to Minato's blitz. He has sufficient reflexes to do so.

3. Hashirama defeated Madara because he outskilled him and outstatted him. They grew up in the same era and where both combat geniuses, but Hashirama was better and matched Madara in combat experience. Minato isn't pulling the same move.

4. Minato is an aggressive fighter too. Every time we see him make a first move against an opponent we see him blitzing them with a rasengan/kunai with either his running speed or FTG support. That said, Minato is good at tactics too and is very smart, but we have seen him be extremely aggressive, such as when he blitzed JuubiOBito and JuubiMadara head on. But

5. Ok, as I said, Experience matters alot because time spent in combat means you are exposed to various different strageies, and gives you time to learn and hone your craft. Natural talent/combat intelligence grant you increased mastery and skill from each experience. Now that said, It is TRUE that the TYPE of experience matters too. Jiraiya and Hanzo were way more combat experienced than Nagato /Pain. But the difference was, one Nagato outstatted them both in most physical stats. Two, it can be said that Nagato was an unorothodox fighter because the Rinnegan contains so much secrets. Jiriaiya had to learn about things like the shared vision, the unique abilities. The Rinnegan has lots of overpowered utility, something Jiraiya or Hanzo have never seen before. So there experience wasn't useful. So Jiriaiya for example had to analyze the 6 paths in the moment of the fight and figure a specific strategy to beat them. So while his experience came up short, he had good combat intelligence to analyze something he never experienced before. Same thing with Naruto. When has Mizuki, an average Jonin, ever faced a GENIN with the Nine tails capabilities and the ability to summon 1000 clones? The shadow clone jutsu was rare because most ninjas don't have the chakra or the skill to use them. He clearly didn't have experience against that. Naruto vs Neji, same thing. Neji lost because he had no experience fighting shadow clones nor a jinchukrii, he apparently didn't even know naruto had the nine-tails, and Naruto was the perfect counter to gentle fist, not to mention he was underestimating naruto the whole fight.

I could go on. But my point is, I would agree with you that Minato could beat Madara, IF Madara wasn't familiar with the FTG. But he is, this is a guy who even knew the hand seals to Tobirama's edo tensei, so he has clearly studied all of Tobirama's techniques in depth. Unlike in your examples, Madara's experience grants him the intelligence needed to fight against FTG. Experience beat tactics, and tactics can beat inexperience. Madara outclasses Minato in general combat experience and quality of experience because he fought the god of shinobi and has fought reguarly since he was a child. Minato can't close that gap. The only chance he had was with FTG, and his intelligence in using it, but unfortunately Madara clearly knows about the technique and how it used on the battlefield.