Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-35155071-20180330190048/@comment-34678409-20180412063947

Asian. If he couldn't react, he couldn't Kamui. You have to be able to think about using a technique to even use a technique. Kamui isn't like Gaara's sand. It doesn't just activate just to save the user on it's own. The user has to will it to activate. Obito didn't because he was hit before he could react.

Legion. You're the one missing the point. You've been using Kamui dodging feats and phasing set up feats as if they were his actual speed. Yes, he still has to move once he stops phasing, but by the time he stops he's already inches from grabbing his target every time. Literally every counter strike is a shocker to the opponent. Not because it was fast, but because it was unexpected. Obito is smart, not super fast.

The Manga states he won the battle of the speed. I'm going off the Manga's word, not yours. Minato is faster according to the Manga which literally says he won a battle of speed.

In 566 page 12, Naruto is in eight tails hand, who was just hit hundreds of feet across the terrain by another Tailed Beast. Naruto states he can't move. The Chakra hand you are talking about was only launched straight, while in mid movement after five tails headbutted the fuck out of eight tails. And Obito was 20 feet in the air before the said panel. So you're using a feat where Naruto can't move, has to try to aim and hit a moving target while in the hand of someone being sent flying, crashing, and with dust clouding the area? Nice one.

In chapter 594, page 20, the Gunbai was thrown to block Naruto's Rasengan. Throwing power is not the same as movement speed. You can throw something fast, but that doesn't mean you can move that fast, what the hell? Obito also had plenty of time to react, and he also had Sharingan to easily detect Naruto's movements. Kakashi just earlier threw a Raikiri kunai to intercept Obito before he could grab Naruto, despite Obito having a head start and inches from grabbing him, while Kakashi had to pierce through stone to do so. So yea. By what you are saying, Kakashi is faster than Obito, which isn't true.

Which one, the Shadow clone which was planned by Naruto and contradicts your point on Minato intercepting Naruto? Or the second time when Naruto did a long range chakra arm? When has it been stated that the arms are equal to naruto's full movement speed? Sure they're fast, but with distance and the benefit of a Sharingan, Obito should be able to avoid it.

Again. Chapter 595 page 16. Throwing speed isn't movement speed. What you are basically saying, is Obito is as fast cause he can throw something and hit Naruto? That's stupid. By your logic, Kakashi is faster than them both since his thrown kunai reached Obito before he could reach Naruto, and he didn't need to phase it through a rock to catch him off guard. That's exactly the same as Obito throwing his Gunbai. Heck, that only got Naruto cause he was surprised by it. It literally went through a rock and caught him by surprise. He barely seen it when it was already right next to him. Then he blocked and the chained wrapped around him. He was also mid air, so I don't see how movement speed comes into play since no one can run on air.

No. It was never stated or shown him to be touching his bicep. All you see is both his arms moving towards around him and then he sucks him up into his eye. At that point it becomes blurry and looks like every part of Torfune was touching him. So a blurry page isn't evidence. And yes, he would care, cause it clearly pained him to the point he grabbed his wound. Besides, he stated Torfune got him with his poison bugs. If it wasn't Torfune, he would of said "Damn I let myself be contaminated" or gave credit to himself which he didn't. He gave Tofune the credit. What Obito says is enough for me.

??? Are you forgetting literally every time he used it? He literally used it during the war against Shinobi he didn't even know without the Sharingan. Then again with the Sharingan against people he didn't know. He was also going to use it against Mist Shinobi when he killed Rin, yet, he didn't know the Mist Shinobi. He doesn't care if he knows if they have the ability to dodge or not, he just uses it. He does it on impulse. Only if someone is super stronger than him, will he use his head. Just like during the Chunin Exams with Orochimaru. His very first thought was to use Lightning Cutter to compete with him. Then he quickly realized he wasn't a match for him and refrained from doing so. Yet, against Obito, he's just going to do it when he's supposedly on Naruto's Kurama Speed Level? Yikes. That's some shitty logic.

And let me make something clear, cause it seems to go over your head. Obito can sucessfully counter attack cause he is FAST ENOUGH. Not because he is equal to them. Naruto proved that with Sage Mode against Third Raikage who actually dodged his arms with ease and actually moved faster than his movement. Reaction speed can triumph over super speed. That's all Obito did, was react fast enough just like Naruto did to Third Raikage when he was able to Rasengan his arm to force him to wound himself. Also I like how you avoid the fact that Gai without Gates was able to block his attack with ease despite Obito having every advantage over him.