Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36006024-20180926134241/@comment-6769189-20181004093752

Vladosaurus wrote: Naruto didn’t use any bijuu powers in his VoTE2 fight with Sasuke. I guess he didn’t have it anymore since he didn’t use it, right? Because that seems to be the logic. His cloak and the marks on his back say he did have it.

Sasuke actually pointed out during the fight that he was running low on their chakra. Vladosaurus wrote:

He has the exact same quantity of bijuu chakra in the 4th war as he has now. The chakra is sealed, it regenerates. Hence why he was anle to stop IT despite being pretty much dead after VOTE2. And you know this wasnt the last if it because?

Vladosaurus wrote:

And at which point since the war was he supposed to use bijuu attacks? In the Last where he didn’t use SPSM? He doesnt need SPSM to use Bijuu attacks. He would just need the chakra of the beast.

Vladosaurus wrote:

Against Shin where he fought kids and didn’t even use basic attacks? He didnt even use basic attacks so why would he use stronger attacks?

Vladosaurus wrote:

Against Momoshiki where they couldn’t use ninjutsu at all for obvious reasons? Please, enlight me. Sealing jutsu from Shukkaku.

BlazeRelease wrote:

I thought tailed beast chakra was necessary, but I guess I m8ght be wrong here. Nope there are multiple instances of SPS without the juubi.

BlazeRelease wrote:

Madara was a Uchiha legend, he had incredible taijutsu, and he already possesed Six Paths Chakra because of the Hashi cells mixing into him. While Sasuke didn't use Chidori into his Sword, yet still managed to stab him at his shoulder, which he praised him for. You think Sasuke at that point in time was capable of landing a hit on Madara if Madara actually tried? This same Madara while weakened by Edo Tensei was countering KCM2 Naruto. Now the Madara who was countering KCM2 Naruto gets his living body back, becomes stronger, no-diffs Hashirama, and then multiplies his power with Sage Mode. He let Sasuke stab him so he could try to recruit him. Madara showed no worry or surprise. In chapter 659 Madara admits that he was holding back and didnt care about getting hit by non-lethal attacks.

BlazeRelease wrote:

I'm not saying it's from the series, but it could be a possibiltiy. I dont see how its a possibility when Hashiramas powers have been explicitly explained and there is no supporting evidence

BlazeRelease wrote:

Kushina's clan/Village was honored by the Leaf, she was also a leaf born, leaf shinobi, loyal to the village and the strongest to hold the Nine Tails. While Nagato and Karin weren't from the Village, nor had any friendly statuses. Shes not leaf born

BlazeRelease wrote:

If that is so, then why didn't Hashirama become the Jinchuriki? Instead of his wife? Because had complete control of them without having to seal them. He was stronger than them all.

BlazeRelease wrote:

I don't think wood release can work inside the body. If so, any Uchiha would also be a choice, but that wouldn't make sense too. Total speculation about Wood Release. The Obito, Madara, and the Juubi itself have Wood release and have no problem dealing with Bijuu or their chakra

BlazeRelease wrote:

And as I've stated, Hashirama simply isn't unbeatable in that regard, he's just the strongest, as in with the total level of destruction, but not in the 'can't be defeates by anyone' strongest. Never said he was unbeatable, but even with some of the techniques you pointed out, he wont be easily killed.

BlazeRelease wrote:

EMS does need body modification, but unlike in the case of developing an Rinnegen, it works on the blood/chakra of the user, rather than the donater's. Like Itachi's MS, would be developed by Sasuke's blood and chakra, not on the other way around. That last bit is flat out false. Itachi's MS contributes and adds additional power. Sasuke said so himself.

BlazeRelease wrote:

The Sharingan/EMS and Tailed beast mode requires training as well. It's only as good as the user is. Sharingan to a degree requires training but its a genetic trait. The user was born with it, so it is the users own power.

EMS provides a power boost, as stated by Sasuke and doesnt require any additional training to use or aquire that boost.

With the cooporation of the Bijuu, training isnt needed. Naruto couldnt use TBB for shit until Kurama started helping him. Naruto also had pretty masterful use of Tailed Beast Mode despite never having use it before.

BlazeRelease wrote:

While you seem to forget about puppet users like Sasori, sword users like Kisame, Itachi and Orochimaru. While Sage Mode literally grants the extra boost in power. I already said Kisame gets a boost from his weapon. I didnt address Orochimaru because we all know he has heavy body mods, same with Sasori.

Although i dont remember Itachi having a power or stat boost from a sword.

Sage mode requires actual training and cannot be granted by simply having an item or borrowing it from someone else.

BlazeRelease wrote:

There are way more examples, Gaara and his sand That is Gaara's ability post-Shukkaku extraction.

BlazeRelease wrote:

Minato and his Kunai's Last i checked Minato's kunai dont give him a stat or power boost. Whatever he does with them is his skill, his technique, his chakra.

BlazeRelease wrote:

Water Release user and their source of water(Exceptions with Talented ones), Earth Release users and their need for Earth. Even Earth release users dont have to have Earth but yea, their true strength and skill lies in their ability to use their nature transformations without the elements around them.

BlazeRelease wrote:

Diedera and his clay Deidara makes that clay. And enhances it with his KKG. The clay doesnt give him a power/statboost or give him additional powers.

BlazeRelease wrote:

even Hashirama uses a weopen just like Madara's Uchiha Mirror And what weapon does Hashirama have that gives him power/stat boosts and abilities he otherwise doesnt have?

BlazeRelease wrote:

And again, as I've stated, Hashirama simply doesn't become the top, on regards of being undefeateble with people like MS Itachi, Sasuke, Ohoki, and such. The only one who purely got to the top without any amazing talents, were Sakura, Lee and Guy. But even then, I find Lee's and Guy's passion for training abnormal and maybe consider what Kakashi said, as Lee being a genius in Taijutsu. The 5 Kage could barely touch Edo Madara, who was weaker than Hashirama. Hashirama was able to match Madara blow for blow in almost every catagory. Onoki cant land a hit. Hasjirama can use a Wood Clone+substitution to escape Amaterasu. Itachi is the only one who stands a chance. Maybe.

BlazeRelease wrote:

Well, he states that he feels Itachi's MS, as it's inside him. And he further on states that he is already feeling his power increasing, as in his EMS is already developing. If he said he feels his eyes changing he would have said that. But it was explicitly stated he felt Itachi's eyes making him stronger.

BlazeRelease wrote:

Actually, Kakashi was shocked by hearing that Danzo was defeated single handedly, and Itachi was shocked too and commented that Sasuke was even lucky to survive a counter with Danzo. Both acknowledged Danzo as one of the strongest in the Leaf, and so as a Hokage. They both weren't aware of Danzo's stolen power, that increased his health and physical status and gave him an hax jutsu. Just saying, Sasuke would have died without Karin's help. At beast that was a tie, thats still impressive as hell though.