Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-43403813-20191007194759/@comment-43403813-20191008220234

@Casteless I partially agree with you. I actually like that Pain changed his beliefs towards the end of his life, but I would have liked him to have had more of a reason to. People only disliked talk-no-jutsu because it was overused, but it makes sense in regards to Pain. When Pain and Jiraiya confronted each other, Jiraiya neglected to connect with Pain on an emotional level, whereas Naruto did. Since both Pain and Naruto were Jiraiya's students, they both empathised with each other in that regard. The only reason Naruto was able to convince Nagato to change his ways, was because he quoted Jiraiya's book. More specifically, Naruto quoted something that Nagato himself said all those years ago:

"I don't know how to achieve peace yet. But I'll break this curse someday. If there's such a thing as peace, I'll seize it!"

Naruto reminded Nagato how twisted his ideology had become, not that his current ideology was wrong necessarily, but that he broke his promise to Jiraiya, Yahiko and himself all those years ago.

If you wanna talk about a dumb use of talk-no-jutsu, it would be Naruto to Obito. I feel like if anyone should have talked to Obito, it should have been Kakashi.

I do agree with you on the power-scaling though. I hated how they made people who are meant to be ninjas, literal gods. (Pain is different, I know he portrayed himself as a God, and his powers were OP at the time, but he didn't have the ability to casually summon meteors or use megazord susanoo soldier statues lol, and his strongest techniques were ones he didn't use effortlessly)