Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34678409-20180213061618/@comment-25643824-20180219030755

BlazeRelease wrote: I'm gonna regret, coming back to this thread. But...

Vladosaurus wrote: Sasuke only ever had yin release. But regardless, it's pointless to talk about yin or yang release in this battle. Nobody really knows for sure how yin and yang work in Naruto except for genjutsu, and it's not like in this battle the 2 would try to genjutsu each other, because that would be dumb. They are both master genjutsu users, and it would be pointless to try genjutsu. Sasuke and Itachi's battle literally started with a series of Genjutsu casting.

And it's not like they couldn't. It's just that there never came such a situation, you can call it plot. But counting thay fact that Sasuke with just a glance took all nine of the tailed beasts in genjutsu, shocking even the sage(So you know that's not a normal feat, at all), while Madara here, doesn't even have his EMS. So it turns him into a disadvantage, since a normal Rinnegen has never defended against Genjutsu. And since this is a debate where these two fight, and acts on the technique that'll quickly end the other, it just takes a thought to decide who will win this.

@Animegoin. I destroyed all of your points, so let's be mature and accept it, eh? And those emojis are kind of annoying dude.

Plus, Sasuke has yang release for your information, Shadow Clone jutsu.

@Ninjachris. You and the other guy are literally the only one making these "erronous" arguements. So let's check over each of your points, shall we?

1. #Correction, "He was fighting alone, Naruto was keeping the TJJ rinnegen Madara's limbo clones occuipied, while Sasuke was fighting the TJJ rinnegen Madara."

Can you spot the difference here? Madara was probably a hundred times stronger when he was TJJ. And so you cannot, by any law, use such feat, cause that's not the Madara we're talking about.

2. #Correction. "Hashirama's Sage Mode absorbed Madara is far more durable, he tanked a combined tail attack from all bijus and lost a freaking arm(Yep, losing a arm, is a durable feat nowadays), and he tanked? Gaara's sand bullet? The last time, I saw that scene, Gaara's sand bullet went straight into his body, was that a form of tanking? He got injured. The reason he survived was it wasn't that much serious, as well he was powered up by sage mode.

And again, Sasuke is now powered by Six Paths Chakra. Six Paths Chakra from what I could say, is similar to senjutsu, since it's properties are same or rather it's effects. Yet it's more stronger, you can see Sasuke surviving against Kinshi, after being pushing through a rock. Or Naruto and him surviving their final blast and still being strong enough to fight.

3.Wood release is fine, but where did Sage mode come from?

Wood release can be countered by Sasuke in many ways, for instance, Amaterasu, Chidori(after destroying half of a speeding meteor, you can't argue against it), Susanoo slash, and many more. Plus, if this really is the Madara with the absorbed Sage mode form, then he has more chances of losing, like with the jutsu to counter his Sage mode, being entrusted to Sasuke.

4.Ameno is overrated? Or just overhated? Limbo is more of a invinsible Kamui shadow clone. It isn't effective against people who can see it and touch it, as TJJ Madara even feared to use it infront of Obito, knowing that he will see it(This was also TJJ Madara)

And let's talk about Ameno, shall we? A jutsu that allows one to shift any object or himself to any space he desires in a limited range. He can and did, simply shift his sword to Madara's chest(if he's being merciful) or his head, to finish him. That's Ameno for you, it's a overpoweres Jutsu, that has the potentiel to beat mostly every non immortal being in Naruto. Agree or not.

Sasuke merely dodged an air attack, where did Shin counter Ameno? Shin countered a fire ball Jutsu. For what reason you took it as a counter to ameno is unknown to me.

Plot never gave him an advantage, whereas it was pretty clear that he could have ended most of those guys, had he wished to. Sasuke considered Shin and Momo to being similar to his past self. And that's why, he never made a killing move to anyone of them, he literally just allowed captured Kinshi with the kages, and orderef Shin to surrender, that's Sasuke. He lost his killing intend, that's the freaking reason, he doesn't try to end them(by the plot that is) but debate isn't supported by plot, in here, Sasuke aims to kill Madara. Which he has many ways to do, pretty easily.

5.Ameno's cool down was three when Sasuke first used it. We don't know what it's status right now. But that's not even necessary, he only needs one ameno to shift a sword to Madara. That's all it takes, and it doesn't even take a second, so yeah, even before those Limbos can reach him, Madara will be long gone.

6.Six Paths chakra can touch those Limbos. He literally caught one with Naruto with his Black Chidori, seeminly sealing type techinque(You can see the electricity over the Limbo). So yeah, you won't be able to use that point. And the only reason you're using that point was because Naruto fought against those limbos while Sasuke toom care of the real one? So because he merely didn't fight those Limbos, he can't? Well atleast, I've proven that he can, indeed.

7. Cloaking his clones with Susanoo isn't gonna help him here. Sasuke's PS, is already leagues above in power than his own PS.

Madara has superior taijutsu, because he fought a couple of fodder ninjas? Pre-Hebi Sasuke fought against a hundred swordsman, withiut killing them, and didn't even gain a scratch in return. If that isn't enough, he fought against hundreds of KG users and beat them all together. And even if that isn't enough, he fought against Kimo, alsp showing his physical strength and speed to be near Naruto's.

The Bijus were taken down by the gezo statue, a feat even Sasuke can repeat.

He was already pass their level, so yeah, he did beat them, and it isn't like Naruto and Sasuke couldn't do it easier and faster now.

Blind is kind of a weird term to use for Madara, while yes, he was blind, but the way, you use "blind" makes it look like he had any disadvantage with it, at that time, since he literally gained Sage mode sensing, thusbhaving better reaction ability and a 360 degree range of sage mode vision. But yeah, he killed Sasuke, by using his Limbo.

So from all the points I made and all the points, the others made, it's clearly proven that Madara loses this match. It could be a more fair match if it was Sasuke with his cooled down process. But this is the one, where he is with his complete strength and power, and which just is too overwhelming for Madara in every aspect there is.

Though I expect you to reply, I would request that you be a tad polite this time. Let's just make this a debate, and nothing more than that, shall we?

And finally, Sasuke takes this with low difficulty.

Wrong on all accounts and if you require more supporting evidence go back to the “rinnegan sasuke vs rinnegan madara” thread. Where I already extensively proved that he is severely outmatched.

Sasuke hasn’t the slightest hope of winning.