Talk:Sage Art: Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken

this technique and the tailed beasts special abilities
I'm sure elvenora is seelentau are gonna call me out on it, but down the line we have sand, fire, coral, lava, steam, bubbles, ink and regular tailed beast ball, in order from 1 to 9.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 07:44, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * I also notice that it turns out naruto isn't using the truth-seeking balls for this, but I'm just as certain this will be ignored. In any case this technique does confirm at least all the tailed beasts unique abilities and elements.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 07:50, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Elvenora is just going to cry and scream that the other jinchuriki have some Harry Potter shit going on that let's them do the natures and that Naruto is just renting irrelevant chakra XD.--Officialkamuiblade (talk) 07:55, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Should be there page for Sempo:Jinton:Rasenshuriken as well? Rage gtx (talk) 07:58, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, it's pretty obvious that they can be done separately so we should make one for each.--Officialkamuiblade (talk) 08:00, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Also, I have a question (and I'm gonna keep bringing it up until I get an answer). In 684, Kurama gave Naruto chakra for clones. But Kurama was colored like Yang Kurama instead of Yin Kurama, so we thought it was a mistake. In this chapter 688, Kurama was colored as Yang Kurama AGAIN. Is it possible that Kurama has become one entity inside Naruto? Kishi wouldn't make the same coloring mistake twice, would he? I thought Yin Kurama was inside Naruto, so why is the Kurama in Naruto colored like the original/Yang Kurama? And Kishi did it twice in 684 and 688. Someone care to explain? WindStar7125  (Talk) (Contributions) 08:02, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * hold it. Theoretically yes, in practice no. They have never been shown individually and beyond their composition we know nothing about how they worth other than blowing up, and all raaenshuriken blow up.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 08:05, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe Yang Kurama gave Naruto extra chakra like the other tailed beasts did (when they put their hands together with Naruto's) when Naruto was fighting Obito. WindStar7125  (Talk) (Contributions) 08:08, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Mistake or merger. Nobody can answer your question until the volume is released.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 08:10, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, so we have:
 * Ichibi and its Magnet Rasengan (you can even see sand this time)
 * Nibi and its Fire Rasengan (the flames look unlike any other flames, hm?)
 * Sanbi and its Water Rasengan (nothing special here, I think?)
 * Yonbi and its Lava Rasengan (we have this already)
 * Gobi and its Steam Rasengan (or so?)
 * Rokubi and its Acid Rasengan (nothing new here)
 * Nanabi and its... what's that? Wind?
 * Hachibi and its Ink Rasengan (lol)
 * Kyubi and its normal(?) Rasengan

• Seelentau 愛 議 08:18, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Pretty much. Which finally confirms Magnet Release and sand.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 08:20, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. They are obviously related, but we still don't know more about the mechanics behind it, especially considering that there was no sand the first time. • Seelentau 愛 議 08:21, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * the only added thing this time is we see the sand, the rasengan in the middle looks exactly the same. That's enough for me to connect the two finally. To ignore it now would just be willing ignorance on our part.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 08:26, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, but acting as if we've figured out the mechanics behind it would be stupid nonetheless. • Seelentau 愛 議 08:34, August 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * @TheUltimate3, FRS and YRS can be used separately and only shuriken we know by name is JRS becose there was a rasengan of it, so why wait? Rage gtx (talk) 08:38, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * because as I just said, we only know their compositions not what else they can do. It would be an article with one sentence shared across 6 articles with names changed. If anything the unnamed ones should be listed here.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 08:47, August 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Wasn't it once stated that Shukaku's ability comes from kneading his chakra into the sand? If that's the case then I don't think it's too much of a mystery. His chakra nature is magnetic, he kneads it into the Sand and boom, he controls sand.--Soul reaper (talk) 08:49, August 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * We must wait for the released volume or next chapters to know more details about these RSs --Sulina (talk) 08:50, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Matatabi's is obviously Blaze Release to me, but it's not like people are gonna agree with that... some of them are hard to tell... is that just plain old rocks or shards of ice?--Elveonora (talk) 10:17, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed with Matatabi's Blaze Release! And what shards of ice? Are you talking about Saiken's Rasenshuriken? I think that's bubbles.--Omojuze (talk) 10:21, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not Blaze Release, the Blaze flames are completely black. What ice/rocks are you talking about, though? • Seelentau 愛 議 10:22, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Chomei's, I believe people switched which Rasengan belongs to whom. The tornado like one at the bottom left is Saiken's imo, while the one above is Chomei's--Elveonora (talk) 10:30, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Same way then Isobu can be Ice Release with snow flakes flying near. Rage gtx (talk) 10:32, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * What has Saiken to do with wind and Chomei with acid bubbles? • Seelentau 愛 議 10:33, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

I think Elveo was referring to Scorch-Release, rather than Blaze.--Koto Talk Page-My Contributions 10:35, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Actually what you consider "wind" looks like acid to me, while what you deem "acid bubbles" looks like rocks/crystal/ice. The rasengans are under each their respective Tailed Beasts, the "twister" one is closer to slug's side while the "bubble" / rocks one to bug's--Elveonora (talk) 10:38,

August 6, 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that's Scale Powder around the Choumei shuriken, it's even drawn like the cloud that Fu was spitting out in the manga. Hadrimon (talk) 11:16, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Cool, but what's the black core?--Elveonora (talk) 11:23, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Insects? >.< xDD--Omojuze (talk) 11:25, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Wind Release
So can we finally agree that Wind Release has nothing to do with the Shuriken form of the Rasen Shuriken? • Seelentau 愛 議 08:59, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hmmm…I don't even know anymore. Naruto could've just created Wind Release: Rasenshuriken and made the tailed beasts add their special abilities to each one.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg JOA20 09:01, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * That may not be wind, that may be Scale Powder used by Fu. Also, should we create a separate article for each of the Rasenshuriken, like with Lava Release Rasenshuriken?--Omojuze (talk) 09:04, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's been discussed above you about that. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 09:16, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Wind Release HAS to do with the Shuriken form, but shaping chakra into shuriken can obviously be done with shape transformation as well, so in order to make shuriken rasengan, wind release isn't needed--Elveonora (talk) 10:03, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Then again (and I probably never mentioned this), the third databook says that the Shuriken form comes from the Wind Release... • Seelentau 愛 議 10:05, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, in case of wind release rasengan, the wind release part makes the shuriken shape. But one can make fire release rasengan for example and make it shuriken with shape transformation--Elveonora (talk) 10:06, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

I think 7tails's rasenshuriken is more special...it's not a simple Futon: Rasenshuriken, its like a tornado or scale dust, or maybe just because we have the help of a much higher level Wind Release user Gerisama (talk) 10:12, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

What was said once before and agreed upon (that Fuuton is part of the technique and in the technique) should remain. It is mechanically-sound, and remains so until proven otherwise. I won't bother discussing it further. --Taynio (talk) 12:40, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

article for each version
this was mentioned above for not being usefull since we don't know what most of them do. I have to disagree though, we sure don't know the respective effects but that shouldn't stop us from making an article when we have the techniques right in front of our faces. we have an article for techniques where we literally don't know anything about like Paper Person of God Technique or Spiralling Flash Super Round Dance Howl Participate Formula. So why not about these where we can at least say how it looks like, from what bijuu it stems and what the presumed effects are? Iloveinoxxx (talk) 12:16, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * I oppose article for each. Reasoning: the infobox would look awful with 50 rasengan variants--Elveonora (talk) 12:25, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a cheap excuse to me. Three versions already have their article mentioned in the infobox already, so why should the rest being there be an issue to begin with?Iloveinoxxx (talk) 12:45, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, seriously now. We have now articles for all the basics of the different rasenshuriken, but not articles for them. Also, Sage Art: Magnet Release Rasengan is listed as parent jutsu - but this is wrong. "Sage Art: Magnet Release Rasenshuriken" is a parent technique, but not the other one. We could do the same and list Wind Release: Rasengan as a parent jutsu. but you see why that would be wrong? the rasenshuriken versions are what's important here and if it's okay to presume what they are made out of like scale powder and water release and steam and ink and so on, why is it so impossible to create an article for the shuriken variants as well??? Iloveinoxxx (talk) 11:01, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

I agree, I think it would be beneficial to create a separate article for each rasenshuriken. Derigar2 (talk) 11:08, November 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * If Kishi named these Rasenshurikens seperately, articles can be created. But Kishi didn't named them, keep it like this. --Salamancc (talk) 11:11, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

Scale Powder
Since some of you do not seem to understand this: The Hiding in Scale Powder technique is a technique which uses scale powder. The Rasen Shuriken here uses Scale Powder, too. But not for hiding in it. So the Hiding technique is not the one used for the Rasen Shuriken. Create a general Scale Powder Creation page if you want (similar to Ink Creation), but please do not add the Hiding technique to the article. • Seelentau 愛 議 08:31, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Same goes for the acid. Also, there is no bubble ninjutsu used here. Where do you guys see it? • Seelentau 愛 議 21:13, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * Just want to point out, if you are going to change the links in the article to a article that doens't exist, it is good form to actually make the article first. Otherwise it comes across as lazy and unnecessarily dick-ish. Also, don't see why you removed the name (which I'm sure I got right) and made Scale Powder into the unnamed "Scale Powder Creation" but whatever, not like I was wrong though.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 21:16, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * But I'm not a creator, I'm a corrector. :/ I added the Creation part because of Ink Creation. It's basically all the same. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:17, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * As am I, and yet when I went ahead and made the article for Scale Powder. I'm just saying, please don't stick a red link in an article then come and tell someone else to remove the red link. It's not nice.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 21:21, August 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm curious: What's the reason for thinking it's acid and not bubbles? ~SnapperTo 23:00, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Shouldnt someone add Scale Powder Creation to Naruto's Jutsu page ?

If they made the page to... ?

How do we know Chomei's rasenshuriken is scale powder? I am looking at the picture and I fail to see the reference to scale powder. Chomei's rasenshuriken is the second one from the lower right, correct? The rasenshuriken goes from right to left from 1 to 9. I apologize but I fail to see the scale powder in the jutsu. ShadowVillage999 (talk) 02:22, August 8, 2014 (UTC)ShadowVillage999
 * Snapper, bubbles were never related to Saiken before, so there's no reason to believe that they're related now.
 * Shadow, we don't know. I added it because Wind Release wouldn't make any sense, since the normal Rasen Shuriken uses it. The only other special ability Chomei has is scale powder. • Seelentau 愛 議 11:07, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Thinking about it some more, maybe I'm wrong and there really is no scale powder used here. The first scale powder technique was called a Hiden. Why would it be a hiden, if it's a tailed beast's ability? • Seelentau 愛 議 12:11, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 12:28, August 8, 2014 (UTC) Hey there.... Shouldnt we also put the Steam ninjutsu and Acid Creation on Naruto's jutsu page ? Since is not there.... But the pages were already made.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Acid_Creation http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Steam_Ninjutsu


 * @Seelentau: Who knows. Why require the use of steam armor when the tailed beast just makes it? Know now the logic behind Kishimoto's decisions. Just troll with it. Either way, the only thing it can be based on what little we know of Chomei is scale powder (basing off Fu's one technique and supplement material, read; games.)
 * @Matianu: Probably.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:31, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * To regulate the steam and to boost the attack speed. Fu's one technique was a Hiden, Hiden are no Biju abilities. The games don't count. • Seelentau 愛 議 12:38, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course they don't count until we want them to. Still, it exists and it has more weight than our fan-based assumptions of what Chomei can or cannot do. Unless of course you want us to go with the "we have no idea so can't assume nothing". To which point i'll just sigh and leave this discussion now and save us both the trouble.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:43, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's just that the game developers probably don't know more than we do. They're assuming that the scales are part of Chomei, while the manga label them as Hiden... • Seelentau 愛 議 12:47, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Since we literary haven't got the slightest clue what a black core with white tornado-like substance around it could be, it's just scales until it's not scales :P I added "?" there but Ulti found that stupid, so rather scales which may be wrong than "we don't know" I guess--Elveonora (talk) 14:02, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * And that's exactly what's wrong with the wiki. You all seem to think that [admitting we don't know yet] is worse than [writing down possible wrong information]. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:59, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * On the other side. We joyfully ignore things we don't like. (Hey a different media except paper has shown us something. It's not true and damn them for trying to deceive us!) Because honestly if we didn't use our brains and just went "we don't know so say nothing" half the wiki would be empty and we'd really only have as much info as the last databook.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 15:04, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Elveonora, didn't you have claims that the black core one was from Saiken and the bubbling one is from Chomei? I tried doing some research on what those "bubbles" could be (assosiated with insects, mainly moths because of the principal of Scale Powder), but I couldn't find anything. After you claimed that I tried looking into the picture more closely and saw a thing that really threw me off into your direction - the black core one doesn't have sparkles, which is a property of Scale Powder.--Omojuze (talk) 15:12, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, yes, the one with black core and tornado is on slug's side while the one you label acid bubbles is on the bug's, but Seel said it doesn't make sense and I kinda agree, but yeah, it's closer to slug--Elveonora (talk) 15:19, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Sooo what do we do? I actually deleted the German article for Chomei's Rasenshuriken and added a trivia note to this technique's article, saying that it's unclear what exactly Chomei provided. Wanna go with that? • Seelentau 愛 議 15:31, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * As can be seen <ಠ_ಠ> the one at the top with "bubbles" is Chomei's, while the bottom one with black core tornado is Saiken's do with that what you will--Elveonora (talk) 15:34, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * I still say go with scales. It would be brain dead stupid to ignore the little we can gather on what Chomei can do, no matter where it comes from, and only really serves to make us look like the group of incompetent editors with our heads up our collective asses, more so than we already do. But we've all said our piece, let the community decide.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 15:42, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * I couldn't, because our uploaded version lacks the above portion with TB heads. Also the "scales" look more like acid to me, more so than the "bubbles" do, the black core could be some alkali BS I'm too stupid for. The bubbles one looks too clear to be acid, slug's acid doesn't look so watery--Elveonora (talk) 15:49, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Scales don't look wattery any less. I don't know... when I read the chapter, I immediately connected those Rasenshuriken to their respective users, the thought of it being the other way around didn't even occur. To me, it was obvious whose is whose, until you came along. Now I'm confused, too. I mean, we still have to resolve if the scales are even part of Chomei's abilities, since the only scale technique was a Hiden and Hiden aren't biju abilities. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:55, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Technically, a tailed beasts chakra nature wouldn't be a kekkei genkai in that sense either, but that's besides the point. Unless our article on Hiden is wrong, a Hiden move is a secret technique that is passed down orally from gen to gen in certain regions or clans. As somewhat recent revelations that jinchuriki tend to come from families or close to something, it would not be super far off base that the use of the scale powder would be developed into a Hiden technique that is passed down from jinchuriki to jinchuriki or some such. So yeah, while the technique that is using the scale powder is Hiden, there is room to believe that scale powder is not.
 * Of course that's just my guess and it really hinges on what I know Chomei can do based on what I have seen in a video game (which of course instantly flags it to everyone but me.)--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 16:00, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * While I understand what you are saying, a previous jinchuriki cannot pass on secrets to the next/current jinchuriki because they die when the tailed beast is extracted from them. Maybe the technique was passed down to Fu before Chomei was extracted from the previous jinchuriki but we don't know.
 * One reason I believe the scale powder is unrelated to Chomei is because insect scales refers to Lepidoptera (moths and butterflies) while Chomei is a rhinoceros beetle. I know that kind of logic doesn't mean jack in the Naruto Universe but it was just an idea I had. ShadowVillage999 (talk) 13:03, August 9, 2014 (UTC)ShadowVillage999

What in case I'm right that you guys have switched which shuriken belongs to whom? The top one being Chomei's while the bottom Saiken's? In case I'm right, that would mean we have no idea about what both of them are made of.--Elveonora (talk) 16:17, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * You are most likely wrong. Here you can compare Saiken's to Naruto's gas, they're the same. • Seelentau 愛 議 18:32, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Excellent analysis. The anime screwed up with that one, didn't notice the bubbles--Elveonora (talk) 19:05, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * So I finally managed to convince you for once? Gotta mark this day in my calendar. :D • Seelentau 愛 議 19:17, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I consider everything that comes from your mouth and of others, I'm not like this but you must admit the placement is a little off, bottom shuriken is more to the right--Elveonora (talk) 19:24, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, but Saiken's shuriken is more near to Kokuo's than Chomei's is. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:35, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

The colored version of Naruto 688 came out today; here is the colored version of all these rasenshuriken:. I was hoping that the colored version would provide more clarity as to whether or not Chomei's rasenshuriken is using scale powder. What are your thoughts based on the coloring here? ShadowVillage999 (talk) 11:30, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not a official version, it's a fanmade coloring.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg JOA20 11:32, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, to end this discussion, let's see what we have: Did I miss anything? • Seelentau 愛 議 12:08, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * One scale powder technique which is labeled as Hiden. Hijutsu were not once related to Biju.
 * The moment Fu used the technique, she didn't use the partial TB transformation. Just saying.
 * Compare the scale technique to the Rasen Shuriken: no flickering, no "sand-like stuff". A black orb with whirls around it.
 * Compare the Rasen Shuriken to game depictions: no powder, not yellow.


 * /sigh I'm tired and old. Fine. If we're gonna be stupid as always, might as well go full hog on it. We don't actually know the compound of any of those Rasenshuriken except the Lava and Magnet Release one. So I'll be removing all of them as well. I take it you have no problem, yes?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:13, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually I just removed the entire list because cutting out 7 or 8 of 9 would have just made it look weird.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:15, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * 'course I have a problem with taking out all of 'em. • Seelentau 愛 議 12:29, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * /shrug Don't see why. Eyes can be misleading and we don't actually know what they are. So why assume? You say it yourself we shouldn't speculate as if it was fact, and this article was nothing but speculation.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:31, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Because while the black swirly rasen shuriken could be anything and doesn't look like scale powder in any way, the others are more than obvious. • Seelentau 愛 議 12:34, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

If we assume. Matatabi's being fire release, assume the cat IS made of Fire Release. Isobu being Water Release depends of that actually water. Saiken being acid assumes of course it is acid, when it looks nothing like the gas it spewed or it secrets. We've made a lot of assumptions of what the tailed beasts can do but we don't actually know the raw mechanics of them.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 12:41, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * If you're going the whole strict route, you're going to have to correct a lot of articles. • Seelentau 愛 議 12:44, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Kind of the point I was trying to make. You're free to add them back to the article, they were of course removed without any real discussion.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:47, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Errors with jutsu ?
Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 13:07, August 9, 2014 (UTC) Is there something wrong with naruto's page ? 2 days and some skills are not displaying and the old eruption jutsu is missing.... WTH ?
 * What eruption? And I can see acid and scales there--Elveonora (talk) 13:14, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 20:49, August 9, 2014 (UTC) This ones are missing from naruto's jutsu page someone should add them.. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Erupting_Propulsion_Fist http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Acid_Creation http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Steam_Ninjutsu

I was wondering if Kurama's Sage Art: Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken may not be a standard rasenshuriken but one that is encased in nine-tails chakra...Can people give me opinions on this? Psogen (talk) 12:01, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Of course it is encased in nine-tails chakra, just like the magnet one is encased in Shukaku's chakra--Elve Talk Page 12:06, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

Discription
I believe if we make a description for each Rasenshuriken, the article will be better. I am not sure how everyone saw Scale Powder with Choumei's RS, but what is obvious is the small tornados hovering around a core made of unknown substance. If, for example, it was like this:

Matatabi: the core made of the same blue fire Matatabi's body is made of.

Choumei: The core made of unknown black substance with small winds around the Rasenshriken

And so on, just putting the beast and whatever release doesn't look good to me, let's hear your thoughts.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 15:34, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

If you decided to look further up the talk page you would see this topic being discussed already. --Questionaredude (talk) 15:55, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * I meant describing each Rasenshuriken in the same article, not creating an article for each.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 16:33, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Bump--MERCURIOUS (talk) 09:59, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

Coral
To me, it looks like there is coral in Isobus Water RS.--RexGodwin (talk) 04:49, August 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Where exactly? • Seelentau 愛 議 10:12, August 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe Rex is referring to the small bubbles in the water, may contain coral. But that would be really speculative to put in addition to Isobu's part of the technique just because of something very small like that, and the fact that Isobu can make coral. Doubt it would ever be confirmed either, but probably should be left alone.  The Spiral Master (--Delve Into the Spiral--) 14:26, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Acid or Slime?
Is Acid Creation really a part of this technique? How can we be sure it's not slime instead? Norleon (talk) 13:03, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I see that was removed as well. Norleon (talk) 13:04, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * As I've stated above, anybody is free to add it all back if they so choose to. I removed them to prove a point and I it has been made. I'm just not doing it as it would devalue my point.
 * And to answer your question, it would still be acid because slime doesn't bubble.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 13:13, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

parent technique
Shouldn't magnet rasengan be there?--Elveonora (talk) 21:18, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't wind rasengan be there? Shouldn't normal Rasengan be there? :o • Seelentau 愛 議 21:39, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

Storm Release from 7tails ?
Many people in japan and at 2ch assume that the 7 tails gaved storm release based on the apperance... Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 14:16, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's what I think, too, but there's no concrete evidence.--Elveonora (talk) 14:20, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

It would also fit perfectly since you need all the elements for gudoudama... fire-earth-water-lightning-water Guess we have to wait to see it in action.Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 14:24, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * You don't, but that's another topic :P--Elveonora (talk) 16:11, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Didn't we already discuss this, Elve? The Rasen Shuriken doesn't look like the manga Storm Release at all. • Seelentau 愛 議 16:17, August 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * There is literally no reason to continue this discussion further. Chomei does nothingil we are told what it actually does. No assumptions, remember?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk)
 * @Seel, that's why I said there's no evidence.--Elveonora (talk) 17:58, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Probably Chomei uses the release of the storm, Madara Rikudo uses an attack of storm probably using chakra Chomei. The episode of the Anime we should give confirmation.--Sharingan91 (talk) 16:28, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Chōmei's Scale Powder?
Since Fū used Bug powder, how about bug powder? Justin Holland (talk) 00:17, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * We already discussed this multiple times, please read those discussions before adding that information. • Seelentau 愛 議 00:23, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Both discussions were left unfinished and the majority of both discussions ruled as it being Scaled Powder. Readding until someone re-discusses this. BHM1250 (talk) 09:38, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * ...Actually, the page is locked appearantly. I still highly recommend a staff member review this. BHM1250 (talk) 09:41, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * As much as I agree with you, the shit storm will be far to real and I would rather not take an extended break from this wikia again. Until we are actually told what Chomei can do, because damned all the other media we tend to ignore, Chomei is the unknown. Fun times.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 10:49, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * I can count on my hands how far we are away from knowing the answer (Jin no Sho) so there's no reason arguing.--Elve Talk Page 11:20, October 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Same here. Hopefully Chomei's abilities will be discussed in the upcoming Databooks 4. BHM1250 (talk) 03:58, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Kekkei Genkai
Considering the updates to Naruto, this needs to be fixed. &#34;Let go your earthly tether.&#34; (talk) 04:25, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * Bump. &#34;Let go your earthly tether.&#34; (talk) 05:34, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Cooperation ninjutsu
Since it's been confirmed that the tailed beasts in fact do have kekkei genkai, this should be updated as one as the guy above demands. But besides that, all Rasengan/Rasenshuriken that Naruto used with the help of tailed beasts should be labelled cooperation ninjutsu and the respective tailed beasts should be added as users too--Elve Talk Page 13:00, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Without cooperation and biju, using one's tailed beast power is not cooration nor make buju user ./ Rage gtx (talk) 13:05, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Except they willingly gave Naruto their advanced natures to use, how is that not cooperation?--Elve Talk Page 13:07, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Because Naruto is only and sole user of this jutsu in databook ./ Rage gtx (talk) 13:08, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Unless you know Japanese or someone who knows told you, then you are making that up I assume. And if so, then that kinda defeats the canonical introduction of cooperation ninjutsu by the book if it's not gonna list any techniques as cooperation ninjutsu--Elve Talk Page 13:11, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * "Okay, the "Sage Art: Super Biju Rasenshuriken" section says that, after being granted the power of the Sage of Six Paths, Naruto performed this ultimate jutsu. They're "Rasenshuriken" that have been proudly infused with the "special chakra properties" (チャクラ特性, chakura tokusei) of the tailed beasts, which Naruto unleashes simultaneously through Multiple Shadow Clones. It, uh, also describes it as "the most marvelous ninjutsu of all time." (空前絶後の忍術, Kūzenzetsugo no Ninjutsu)." - by FF-Suzaku. As you see. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 13:15, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's a technique description, not list of users, also it mentions he infused them with the Tailed Beasts' special chakra properties, which he had asked for and they willingly gave, so they should be considered users--Elve Talk Page 13:19, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * which Naruto unleashes simultaneously through Multiple Shadow Clones - what in this statement you don't comprehend? Naruto utilises his Tailed Beasts chakra in his ninjitsu, so until Seelentau or FF-Suzaku confirms that beast are users or it is cooperation they use - it is not by default. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 13:26, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

They provided the chakra for the various Rasenshurikens, but they didn't create the Rasenshurikens. A cooperation technique requires two distinct techniques to form a new one. These are literally "Use X chakra to make a new Rasenshuriken, Naruto!"--TheUltimate3 (talk) 13:29, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Exactly. What Naruto and Sasuke did with the FRS and Kagutsuchi is a cooperation ninjutsu. Giving chakra to someone is not. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:33, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Then why is combination transformation listed as such since only one of the party performs the actual technique?--Elve Talk Page 13:34, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Coz affected were both Bunta and Naruto(they both transformed). ./ Rage gtx (talk) 13:41, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Chomei's Storm Release
Is deductive reasoning really that speculative? Madara as the TT jinch used Storm Release, strongly implying that one of the Tailed Beasts has it. Chomei contributed something we are clueless about in this technique, logically, it might be Storm Release what it was.--Elve Talk Page 19:27, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Can we not start this again? As much as I agree with you, there is no proof that Chomei is the one possessing Storm Release.--Omojuze (talk) 19:29, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Might be. Might not be. Who knows~ • Seelentau 愛 議 19:30, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * @Omojuze, the other 8 don't though, unless you want to imply that Storm Release was Madara's kekkei genkai.--Elve Talk Page 19:35, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Or maybe he got it through an entirely other way? Who knows. We don't. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:39, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * @Elveonora - I'm sticking to the "speculation" that each Tailed Beast possesses one Kekkei Genkai, so no, I don't think Madara had Storm Release on his own. But saying that it came from Chomei would be false as of now, but maybe the filler will clear things up (or something else in the future, like the episode in which the technique actually appears animated). For now, saying that Chomei gives out Storm Release is speculation.--Omojuze (talk) 19:42, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

Funny that we had it listed as "insect scale powder" or some shit for over a month and that wasn't speculative enough on sight--Elve Talk Page 19:47, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well it's not here anymore. And, at least Fū used scale powder, so we had something to base it off to. Neither Fū nor Chomei performed Storm Release as far as we are aware.--Omojuze (talk) 19:49, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

When has a Ten-Tails' jinchuriki ever displayed an ability used by one of the individual tailed beasts? ~SnapperTo 19:51, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, unless Madara pulled Storm Release from his own arse or the Ten-Tails can also use all advanced natures, then in that instance.--Elve Talk Page 19:53, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

@Seelentau, doesn't databook entry on Sage Art: Storm Release Light Fang shed some light on its source?--Elve Talk Page 20:04, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

sum up: shukaku=wind-earth-magnet matatabi=fire isobu=water son goku=earth-fire-lava kokuo=water-fire-boil isobu=acid gyuki=ink kurama=wind-yin-yang jubi=wood-fire-wind-lightning-earth-water-yin-yang. ten tails chakra possesses all other Tailed beasts. But someone is missing the element lightning. then Chomei=water-lightning-storm Sharingan91 (talk) 20:09, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

Scale Powder Pt.02
Now that the trailer for Storm 4 showed us the technique in colour, we can see that Chomei's Rasenshuriken has yellow-tinted sparkling dust. The scale powder in the Storm games has been portrayed as orange/yellow, so it fits. Is this enough to say that the Rasenshuriken is made out of Scale Powder?--Omojuze (talk) 19:50, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Two words: Video. Game. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:12, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Three words: Any.better.ideas? And no, leaving it blank doesn't work anymore, given as we have a coloured source. So it stays for now, whether you like it or not.--Omojuze (talk) 20:15, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Quote Seelentau. And I add two words: Trivia. Point.--JOA2020:16, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * More words: If you have to actually ask if it's correct or not, then don't go ahead and make the changes assuming you're right. That's contraproductive. Also, neither are the video games a canon source, nor are you the one to decide what stays and what doesn't. Please undo your changes as long as this discussion is ongoing. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:17, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * LOOK. If a coloured source isn't enough for you then you're just being stubborn... And why put it in the trivia? Given what we know from manga, it also fits perfectly. Unless you provide something against this that actually makes sense, I'm afraid your logic is invalid.--Omojuze (talk) 20:19, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * And, either way, it will stay. Either as canon or game only.--Omojuze (talk) 20:21, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Game only, of course. But it has nothing to do with this article. So make the according changes please. You know very well how things work, we're not adding disputable information without talking them out first. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:23, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Again, the trailer provides a coloured source of the entire technique. It's not disputable information when we have a clear indication. You're just being stubborn because we learn of this from a video game first and not the anime... Also, all other eight Rasenshuriken fit the manga description... talk about logic.--Omojuze (talk) 20:25, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * And it's still from a video game, which is not an acceptable source and never has been. You know that very well. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:30, June 16, 2015 (UTC)