Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170904204034/@comment-26636534-20171010155320

@Natrix

@Kakashisologod1 already said most of the responses I wanted to make.

Edo Hiruzen appears on the battlefield in ch631, a few pages later EMS Sasuke arrives, Hiruzen faster than EMS Sasuke.

But, let me just dissect what you retorted.

A wasn't surprised by Sasuke's speed, he was surprised Sasuke could damage him. That is not an indication of speed btw.

You clearly referenced Hashirama wood release level, when referring to Susanoo piercing wood release, Danzo had rudimentary wood release, no where near that. So, not a relevant comparison there.

No, Pain referencing Hebi, not Taka as a threat is no indication of equal footing. Don't hype please.

Naruto's rasengan clearly didn't explode, it dispersed when Madara's Susanoo pushed it away. Also, this fight has nothing to do with Madara and Itachi, so please stay on topic.

Kirin takes a lot of setup and is very obvious technique, Jiraiya can get a toad to reverse summon him out of that.

P.S. You claimed that I am overestimating Jiraiya, but which of the points that I have made say so?

Jiraiya doesn't need SM to win.