User talk:Seelentau

Wondering...
Don't want to sound rude or one-sided with this comment but.. umm... if you somehow blocked Sajuuk over his controversial comment, then who would be the forum operator? :/ ~• WS7125 [Mod] 00:27, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

Sai
Can you please tell me sais rank in the last naruto the movie? Wongo2 (talk) 14:12, December 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, should there be an article for that ninja rank? but I guess we know too few about it right?Wongo2 (talk) 15:54, December 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's what I meant, yes. Thank you. I would like to open a thread about it. Feel free to come by later.Wongo2 (talk) 16:11, December 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Weil mich dieses thema interessiert und ich deine Meinung schätze.Wongo2 (talk) 16:24, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

Yahiko and the Second Shinobi World War
At what age did Yahiko died? His article says 15, is that trustworthy? Also is it correct that Konan and Nagato died at the age of 35, after 16 years of the nine tails attack?

I'm conducting an investigation on the Second Shinobi World War, Ame Orphans and Sannins

I want to understand what are the main points are the fans arguing about. On Yahiko's talk page people are using Choji's estimate of 25 years, which is completely misleading.

ZabuzaTheDemon (talk) 02:36, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

Why is Choji's word more valuable than the Databook?

It is clear to me a human can make mistakes, and I believe Kishi fixed it, I find it very interesting, that Yahiko died at the age of 15 which makes sense now after this debacle?

Are Yahiko, Nagato and Konan the same age?

Also is Minato's age trustworthy?

Are all the ages put in the infobox of Naruto characters straight from Kishimoto's databook? They are extremely detailed.

ZabuzaTheDemon (talk) 20:53, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

Paper = Yang?
Okay, so apparently, Konan's paper techs are Yang release. Is that true? (Sorry to bother you yet again, it's understandable that you must have a lot to deal with...) ~• WS7125 [Mod] 19:56, December 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Apparently, Konan has Yang... Rachin123 made a consensus in the chat. He's made the edits and all... ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 20:12, December 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Really? So Paper is Yang and you agree (or you don't care)? Okay then. Though, I suggest you voice your opinion on this thread about techniques being Yin and Yang Release. ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 20:18, December 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Heh. Just making sure. You did say "Do whatever you want." But okay then, I trust your word. So I take it Konan's ability is just her infusing chakra in paper. ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 20:24, December 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Also, Tau, I want you to be aware of this: user Truthseeker149 went around adding Yang Release to all Medical Ninjutsu. We told her to stop on her talk page, and she might do so again. She said that you stated all Medical Ninjutsu is Yang in some forums. Please clarify things with her if she does so again. ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 21:07, December 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * * Sigh* Magnet Release has brought nothing but trouble. Honestly though, where was Magnet confirmed to be an advanced nature again? I was told Blaze was never stated to be advanced, but what about Magnet? ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 21:48, December 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * No such thing as "advanced natures?" Okay. So Blaze was never called a nature transformation like Magnet was? But isn't Blaze Release also a kkg? ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 22:07, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Poke my mon
http://azzyfox.tumblr.com/post/105942086664/pokemons-ridiculous-timeline-explained-in-a 0_o Japanese people sure are crazy.--Elve Talk Page 21:42, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Thread:158770
Hello. Could you provide us with the literal translation of Minato's quote about his and A's families? Chapter 542, last page. Please put it on the thread. Thank you.--JOA2010:07, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Kakashi Hiden
I honestly didn't put that much thought into it. I probably should've just waited for the actual katakana reading. FF-Suzaku (talk) 00:01, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

Frage
Hallo, könnten wir uns bitte kurz im chat treffen? Es geht um eine andere Person auf diesem Wiki. Wongo2 (talk) 14:21, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Pyramid quoting
Technically, we're supposed to hit a user with this (scroll down) on their talkpage to "remind" them about PQ'ing or any other offense. But I feel that templates are... "flashy," and look to be more of a warning than a reminder, making it a bit uninviting, so I choose to tell them nicely in the forums first, then "warn" them on their talkpage. :P ~• WS7125 [Mod] 18:47, December 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I'll make sure it doesn't go off-topic. ;) And besides, when I edit a comment due to PQ'ing or anything else, I'd rather have them see the reason why I did so directly next to their comments I just edited, rather then tell them away from the forums. But it's not like you don't know what you're talking about, so I'll consider your idea. :) ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 19:02, December 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually... giving it some more thought... might be better to leave that in the forums. Here's why: When I put that reminder in the forums, it's visible to everyone and is more public, so not only will the user that I'm reminding take preventative measures, but everyone else viewing the forums will do so as well, rather than take it to someone's talkpage and taking it into smaller public view (I know that technically, people can still see it on a user's talkpage, but they're more likely to go in the forums than one random user's talkpage).And besides, it's just one message. Doesn't really make the thread "longer" so to speak, because everyone can see that one message and all... I usually close threads after 350 messages, so one can't hurt. ;) ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 09:12, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

Databook names
Changed "Invasion of Pain" to "Pain's Assault" and "Invasion of Konoha" to "Konoha Crush" across the wiki. Trying to change wiki made terms to databook names. You wouldn't happen to have an issue with my mass editing of that, would you? ~• WS7125 [Mod] 02:03, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

Seven Swordsmen
I find the Seven Swordsmen to be NOT user-friendly, when I first noticed the page I hated the fact I had to find out everything myself, since Kishis made 3 categories: 1)Previous, 2)Latest/Strongest, 3) Other members: Chujuro and Kisame. I was wondering if you think it is a good idea to create a table below the article where you can put the members in that way you can GET THE FULL PICTURE on which members are which and the swords they used. It is not a huge table since it will only be three categories. This in turn will classify which users are part which group and which sword they created thus becoming user-friendly and eye-catching. ZabuzaTheDemon (talk) 12:34, December 31, 2014 (UTC)

Jo!
Frohes Neues! :)

Frage: Gibt's im Jin no Sho irgendwas zu den Samurai und deren Technik? Z.B., ob jeder Samurai die benutzen kann? Danke im Voraus! ;) Norleon (talk) 16:23, January 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * Pls. Norleon (talk) 20:55, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Translation request
Happy new year senpai. Hope that all your wishes come true :)

I have a translation request please, can you translate those brief summaries for the next anime episodes in this month? You can find them here. Thanks in advance :) — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 10:50, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

Request
Hey Tau, I hope I'm not being intrusive, but I don't know where else to ask. I'd really appreciate it if you'd do a translation of the Water Release: Water Formation Pillar technique whenever you get a chance. Thanks. -- Koto Talk Page-My Contributions 17:43, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Yom. Hirasaka
If you could, I'd like you to direct me to the source of the translation. -- Koto Talk Page-My Contributions 17:34, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

As written on NarutoForums, THe technique is not specifically mentioned to be KKM.--Koto Talk Page-My Contributions 17:46, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

Not sure what's so funny Tau, you post on their your own translations, no? Perhaps you can even do a quick translation of the page yourself just it confirm the information, couldn't you? -- Koto Talk Page-My Contributions 17:57, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

Susanoo
Quick question: Is this correct? Yes or no?  ~•WS7125 [Mod] 03:01, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Serious question
It seems DB3 and DB4 have retconned the Data book Mini and are not even accounting it at all. So should we even be using the DBMini's ages and info on this wiki and on the timelines anymore?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 17:50, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Idk.. maybe the ages from DBMini should be moved to the Trivia section?? and the other things you spoke of should be mentioned in the Trivia sections?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 18:00, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

DB3 and DB4 each say 2.5yrs and they have no mention of the DBMini ages at all. DB3 covers the entire first half of Shippuden including the beginning and there is still NO mention of DBMini ages. It is also larger and later, so now that I think about it DBMini looks to be retconned but I can't really think straight about that.. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 18:07, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

So with the DBMini, even Shino is still 15 at his introduction in part 2. Without DBMini, only Shikamaru, Ino, Naruto and Hinata are 15 at introduction. My question is this, would you still consider the DBMini viable and usable in the wiki and in the timelines?? I personally am starting to think the DBMini has been basically ignored and retconned since studio pierrot and Kishi himself always called Naruto being 16 and not ever 15. But the only thing it really changes is the starting point of part 2, instead of being 10/10/15 at the earliest it becomes 4-7/31/16 at the earliest.. it isn't like it changes anything if we disregard it anyway.. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 18:18, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Edit war
The standard genjutsu casted by the Sharingan evolves something called eye contact which cant be proven in the case of Shisui vs Ao's group. And there isn't a set definition for an edit war but protecting a page because of 1 edit i made after JOA doesn't justify it. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 15:19, January 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Sarutobii2 here. Protecting a page just to keep your edit in place is tool abuse. I will contact a sysop to remove the page protection you wrongly applied, especially as the reason given is bullshit and invalid. You should try reading this. --Sajuuk Talk Page 16:21, January 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't protect the page to keep my edit in place, you should know me better than that. I removed it, though. Also, stop speaking to me like that. • Seelentau 愛 議 17:08, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

It was most definitely Shisui who casted it and if you think otherwise then you shouldn't even be allowed on this wiki, we just can't verify if he used Mangekyo or normal Sharingan to do it. Also don't talk to Seelentau like he's some kind of normal user/noob. He knows what's what. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 18:18, January 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Please take it up on the article's talk page rather than here on Seel's talkpage. But my point was it was either normal genjutsu or long range genjutsu sharingan. And saying its genjutsu sharingan because he had his sharingan activated isn't proof, as Shisui has his sharingan activated all the time, even in casual conversations with the 3rd. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 18:51, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

Fourth databook Minor characters
Is there a place where i can see your translations for them? Munchvtec (talk) 15:21, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * oh okay. thanks anyway. Munchvtec (talk) 18:26, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * will you be doing them at some point? Munchvtec (talk) 22:03, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * I only want Mirru the female kiri shinobi to be done if you could. thanks a ton. Munchvtec (talk) 22:52, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * thanks man :) Munchvtec (talk) 00:25, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

Could you also translate Agara's profile? Munchvtec (talk) 13:03, January 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright, that's all i needed thanks tau. Munchvtec (talk) 13:23, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

Ōtsutsuki clan KKG
Okay, keeping it brief, is this correct? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 01:12, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

Tailed Beast Powers
I remember reading somewhere on the wiki that Kishimoto said the jinchuriki retain the powers bestowed on them by their tailed beast should they hypothetically survive extraction, using Gaara's sand manipulation as an example. Do you happen to have a verification and/or citation for this? Arawn 999 (talk) 13:00, January 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * So other than that vague statement that doesn't reveal anything, there's no explanation as to why Gaara can still manipulate sand other than "It was his Mom all along"? Arawn 999 (talk) 13:36, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

Timeline Error
Yo Seel, spotted an error in your timeline. You got at 20 bNB that Jiraiya meets the Ame Orphans and begins to train them. but down at 18 bNB, you've got Konan is born. You probably meant someone else and it's just a typo, but after seeing that douche give you crap over the timeline, figure you should have a chance to fix it before he ctually reads it and has another go at you. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 06:30, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Also might want to update Fukai's name to Blue B, wasn't that his canon name? --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 06:31, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, are you open to suggested events? I had my own rough timeline a while back, it's rubbish compared to yours, but with the dates you could frame a few events in the years following Naruto's birth. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 15:04, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Wouldn't dream of editing your timeline myself, just wanted to know if you're open to suggestions if I find any events missing or can narrow down the date on one. Since the Jin timeline is pretty sparse and I'm sure you'll be transferring a load of events over from the old one, I'll leave it for now until I have a better idea. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 15:26, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Explosion Release natures
Would you happen to know where in the manga these elements were suggested to make this combined nature? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 18:21, January 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh okay, that is understandable. I also went ahead and added Explosion Release to the Nature Transformation Diagram. Now we are down to Lightning + Fire and Lightning + Wind.
 * -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 19:02, January 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but WindStar told me that there was a source in the manga hinting at Explosion being made of Lightning. If there isn't, I'm going to put a "short" explaination in the ref for lightning on Explosion Release's page. And, not to sound rude, but you aren't too experienced with templates, hm?(Yep, copied that "hm?" from you =P)--JOA2019:51, January 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ for the basic natures in the Form:Kekkei Genkai. Couldn't agree more on the complexity of this wikia's syntax, jeez.--JOA2019:59, January 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * The "source" I am referring to is the chapter where Sasuke's Lightning diffused Deidara's clay. When did that event happen, and in what chapter and on what page?
 * -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 20:02, January 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ for the Kekkei Genkai part, too.(Feeling uber cool.)--JOA2020:15, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Interview Translation?
Hello Seel- how are you? Anyways, I found a video of Kishi's interview with Kobayashi, and during the interview, they showed a big spread of what looks like how Kishimoto broke down the story by each volume. The reason I post this is because it also has information about Volume 72. I know there is a lot of confusion about if the contents of Volume 72 should be included in the Kaguya Otsutsuki Strikes Arc, and so I wonder if this may provide an answer. Here is the link to the video:. Go to the 9:13 mark to see the layout chart. Thanks! :D--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 16:22, January 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Shame it couldn't have been more useful... thanks anyways! :D--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 22:28, January 18, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Kegon's Name
Hmm... I don't mind doing it, but I'm back in collage and just finished my first week (So tired...T _ T), and I already have homework to worry about over this weekend. It may take a while, considering I don't what exactly we're supposed to be looking for. The Anime Profiles provide a lot of information about the characters, designs, and it recaps the arcs.-- Ninja Sheik  19:35, January 17, 2015 (UTC)

Naruto Sage Mode discussion
GodlyHades1 (talk) 00:53, January 18, 2015 (UTC)The sad part is, my facts from the manga/data-book prove otherwise. Nothing states that Naruto uses the combined chakra of all tailed beasts to form the Rikudou cloak. Nothing. If something of that importane was needed, don't you think Kishimoto would have stated this somwewhere?

I would just like a correct edit on the wiki to say just "Hagoromo's" chakra.

Since we can't prove he uses all 9 tailed beast to form it, but we can prove MORE points on why he doesn't. Not to mention it looks more on the side of KyuubiChakraMode.

So the best case scenerio would be Kyuubi chakra + Sage powerup. But even that is an assumption U_U

Is there...
... really any reason why you are waving your sysop flag around as though it is a status symbol that entitles you to do whatever you want? I am referring to this edit. Please note that a wiki is a community effort, sysops don't get to make unilateral decisions just before they're sysops: they are not editor tools, please stop using them as though they are. I'm not really in the mood for reminding users multiple times about how to use their flags properly, so don't make me complain to Dantman about it. --Sajuuk Talk Page 17:48, January 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * "There's an explanation right in that sentence as to why I do that."
 * Not a valid reason.
 * "Furthermore, please don't write to me again. Ever. I don't want to put up with your 'problems', so if you ever got one, pelase refer to another sysop or go to Dantman. There's no common ground for us to ever talk to another."
 * Read Talkpage policy. You may not put up notices, nor tell users, not to message you on a talkpage. So I will be disregarding this request in full, per policy.
 * "Oh and you're not really in the position to remind someone who worked for seven years as a Sysop, how he has to behave. I'm very well aware of what my job is and what isn't."
 * If you apparently know about being sysop, why am I having to remind you about how to behave?
 * Please grow up and act mature, unless you wish to have a consensus against your rights. --Sajuuk Talk Page 18:13, January 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * The last sentence may be interesting for this discussion. Djfghdfe53475zdhdf (talk) 18:18, January 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * *Chuckles Darkly*--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 18:21, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

Jin no Sho English
Has the release date been announced? Assuming there's gonna be any.--Elve Talk Page 18:31, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

I thought we are all living in Amerika :O About time I start learning German, I guess.--Elve Talk Page 18:52, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

Was going by...
Early stuff in the Fourth Databook. Has Nagato's entry been fully translated?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:03, January 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * When I added it, it seemed like it was canon and real from the Databook since people were talking about it in the big thread on Narutoforums. But Nagato's entry still hasn't been fully translated...--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:18, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

Scuffle in the Forum
After reviewing your post and several other people's posts I have come to the conclusion that, while very forceful and very heavy handed, nothing you said was "trolling" of any sort. SuperSajuuk calling you out was not justified in that regard and while your response was justified I must say it would be wise to not respond to dickery with more dickery. I did take note that you've stated that people have been dicks to you in the past but I have no intention of hunting such posts down to verify this so to make my life easier, if someone attacks you again, please let me know when and where. Also, I would suggest under no circumstances should you engage in him directly any further. Anything you do is seen as an "abuse of sysop rights" which further keeps this feud going. Going forward, if SuperSajuuk sees fit to comment on what you have done/did do/whatever, let another sysop know so that an 3rd party can sort it out themselves to resolve. Thank you.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 14:28, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * /sigh Very well. I cannot force you to not engage him, just like I can't force him to not engage you. I can only hope both of you use cooler heads. I'll either handle this or die trying.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 17:14, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

Question
Can you tell me that the founder of this narutopedia? Sasuke79 (talk) 16:28, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

Explosion & Earth
Now that Explosion was logically deduced to be Earth + Lightning, would that not make the "Earth Release" infobox inclusion in techniques like these redundant and therefore removable? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 21:19, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

Use of "cannot edit own talk page" blocks
Please read Thread:160630. ~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 23:46, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

I suppose
That if true, it would have been added, but doesn't Jin no Sho or The Last book by any chance mention Kitsuchi and Deidara's relationship to Onoki? Is Kitsuchi Onoki's son and was Deidara blood related to him or at least his student? Thanks.--Elve Talk Page 20:57, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's disappointing, very so. Just outta curiosity, is this all the relevant stuff excluding the interview and road to ninja stuff? thanks.--Elve  Talk Page 21:14, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Screw that source anyway, it's not readable.--Elve Talk Page 21:38, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

You and SuperSajuuk
Seelentau, when dealing with SuperSajuuk you don't need to escalate things, even if you feel baited into it you don't need to get hostile and [ add in insults].

Staff wanted both of you to cool off and focus on moderating the other users.

I suggest treating him like you should treat a troll in a public forum, someone better ignored than fed, being antagonized into responding in a hostile manor just drags you into their pace.

When people are a problem like you believe SuperSajuuk is, generally it's better to let them find the noose on their own instead of being seen handing it to them and prodding them saying "use it, use it, I dare –".

Also for [ closing runaway speculative discussions], if you can, try digging up old discussions where TheUltimate3 or I closed a debate (try filtering our contributions pages to mainspace talk and looking at some of the old character article ones). We've had to close off discussions before. And I guess he sort of asked, but usually it can be done without mentioning things like being a sysop. You seem to have explaining logic/reasoning mostly down, another thing that can help is directly talking about things from the wiki's perspective, like how the wiki treats references and sources.

~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 07:41, January 23, 2015 (UTC)

Seelentau, I told you to ignore Sajuuk, why does this end up in my inbox? You can't keep dealing out insults like this, for any reason.

Let me put something into perspective. You may feel that you became a sysop so that Sajuuk wouldn't, but if you keep interacting with him like this it just makes Sajuuk look better, and what do you think happens then?

Also, Wikia doesn't "care" (to intervene themselves) because staff ask me and the sysops involved to deal with issues like these locally.

And keep in mind, this isn't a rights issue. Abuse of tools is the reason for rights to be removed. Harassment issues are a "Do we have to ban them from the wiki" problem, not a matter of simply demoting someone.

It would probably be best if you stayed out of chat for awhile.

~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 08:05, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Not being silent is one thing, but you cannot start throwing personal insults like that, period. If you ever feel like you're going to just screencap it, leave, and bring it up with me, TU3, or someone.

Chat is also a terrible place for stuff like that, it's not logged and if others escalate it you can't be sure that fact will be reported.

Sorry if I don't reply to all emails, I do see them though (well unless you end up in the spam folder for some reason). I got another email about that thread from another user as well. And rather than responding I looked into the thread. TU3 was already there and the thread ended fairly well with TTF. Back then things weren't this bad and I didn't have to deal with most of this stuff (quite frankly the fact I'm here dealing with things directly more should not be considered a good thing).

Public discussion is a last resort on this, that happens when things are so bad we have no other choice but considering demoting or banning one or more of our active editors.

And sysop is not a job, like Forum Operator it's a set of tools. Both of you got those tools since it looked like you were in a good position to use them and the rest of the community seemed to trust you with the tools.

On the thread, I can't say too much in one direction. It was in the Theories and Speculations board and most of it was a valid comment, though calling it out that much may also been more than necessary. Ultimately that kind of interaction seems to be just in the nature of these debates, and it would have likely been the exact same even if neither of you had any extra rights. It happens, and then the topic simply continues perfectly fine.

Right now this situation is just so bad that getting you two to not throw insults at each other and delete each others forum posts would be an improvement. Frankly I can't even fix any of the minor in comparison issues before I can get things to that level.

~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 15:10, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Fusion Technique
Is this not a fusion technique? If not, can you explain the concept to me please? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 22:23, January 23, 2015 (UTC)

Kaguya advanced natures
Shouldn't she listed a user anyway since the TBs can use Lava, Boil, Magnet and Madara used Storm as TT jinch too?--Elve Talk Page 00:27, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Kekkei Mora ^_ And I guess yes, it would be kinda speculative to say Storm came from TB, as unlikely as it is for Madara to have had Storm Release as his kekkei genkai inherited from his mother lets say. Kaguya is kinda different case, the TBs chakras was originally her chakra. And Madara is a strong indication (the Storm) that TT jinch can access natures of the TBs sealed inside TT. Not to mention Kaguya ain't jinch, she is kinda the TT and TBs' chakras are hers as stated, so.--Elve Talk Page 00:43, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * But the Kaguya we saw in war was reconstructed from the "changed parts" so even if she didn't have those natures prior to split, she should after merger.--Elve Talk Page 12:33, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Someone needs approval to use their very own chakra?... She was in control, we saw what happens when she isn't, rabbit monster blob.--Elve Talk Page 16:44, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Did you see this?
Did you know Studio Pierrot made the Konoha 12, Three of the Sound 4, and the Sand Siblings all taller from that from the filler arc with Idate Morino all the way until Naruto left with Jiraiya for his 2yrs of training?? The cast settei showing the height differences from the Idate filler and on show that Naruto is 153cm, Sasuke is 159cm, Sakura is 156.5cm, Rock Lee is 166.5cm, Shino is 166.5cm, Neji is 167cm, Tenten is 162cm, Idate is 163.5cm, Raiga is 195cm, Kankuro is 170cm, Temari is 161cm, Gaara is 154cm, Kiba is 158cm, Hinata is 152cm, Ino is 157cm, Shikamaru is 160cm Choji is 162cm, Tayuya is 154cm, Sakon is 161cm, Kidomaru is 166cm. Studio Pierrot took the liberty of making them taller from the Idate filler onto every filler afterwards.. but in the canon and official episodes between and after they are mostly their DB2 heights. I lost the other settei, but here is the two with half of them.

https://scontent-1.2914.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t34.0-12/10941686_1563772570529185_664927286_n.jpg?oh=bacab8b0e50776af18066b46c61dcd24&oe=54C8E087

https://scontent-1.2914.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/961809_1563772587195850_383536125_n.jpg?oh=f577c98f4fb304f4580ea13b4aa84e73&oe=54C9BBCD

I posted this in thread but it seems that thread will be deleted. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 10:04, January 27, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Time
Okay. I was going to go with the first one because it has a lot more content, but if the second's more accurate, I think for now it's safe to use both of them. Thanks for the advice! Gemnist (talk) 20:42, January 27, 2015 (UTC)Gemnist


 * Nah. That's not my thing and it'll take time. Even worse: I'm monolingual. In the meantime, I'll just be patient. Gemnist (talk) 20:53, January 27, 2015 (UTC)Gemnist


 * Sure. But the databooks aren't, and that's where all the events you obtain come from. Gemnist (talk) 21:19, January 27, 2015 (UTC)Gemnist

Sasuke Sarutobi
Turring from the page you are also contributing to translated Sasuke's article. Please read it. Is his translation wrong? Djfghdfe53475zdhdf (talk) 00:30, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not Japanese, I just messed with the characters a bit. Anyway, did you find the time to look it up? Djfghdfe53475zdhdf (talk) 12:58, January 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * Take your time! Djfghdfe53475zdhdf (talk) 15:12, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Translations
I am not the one who can or should tell you what to do. All I can say is that it is not "good" or "trustful" for a sysop to fight with other users, especially starting those fights, but I'm not the one to judge. And with the contributions, I'm not too sure myself. If your a natural english-speaker, or at least you're good at it, you could create the articles for the previous 2 naruto novels, which are translated on the "Naruto Forums". But saying things that you promised to do or "achieve" when you suggested yourself to be a "sysop" should not be forgotten, ok dude? And.. I thought I deleted that message... If I offended you in any way, I didn't mean it.--Omojuze (talk) 14:24, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, and if you know how, you could add in "The Last" technique/weapon articles into infoboxes, 'cause they are considered canon. I left such a message in the forums.--Omojuze (talk) 14:25, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

New UNS4 jutsu
Could you translate the names for Hashirama's new jutsu in this video at 2:01 and 4:44 please? Thanks. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:28, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

Got news for you
Seel.. my hunches were 100% correct. DBMini is officially retconned by DB3 as shown by kankuro, temari and gaaras profiles. These are their profiles at shippuden debut all the way until the chapter team 7 departs to return to konoha and it says 16yrs, 18yrs and 19yrs..

https://scontent-1.2914.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t35.0-12/10960594_1564802883759487_1659091210_o.jpg?oh=4a67375c9bef6ba6d98a8ffa6248b853&oe=54CCD71A

https://scontent-1.2914.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t35.0-12/10960936_1564803203759455_1891542971_o.jpg?oh=4f4d1b854d6030c3fa5f1f8144568069&oe=54CDA359

https://scontent-1.2914.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t35.0-12/10965086_1564803330426109_2010574916_o.jpg?oh=e6a70ea5d6ac431c3e11e1a7f08ed74b&oe=54CE1298 btw I am using the zoom in feature in cdisplayex just in case it is hard to see.

We already know Databook 3 covers volumes twenty-eight through forty-three. The timelines need to be adjusted man completely and without a doubt. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 10:14, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

As for the three of them, they were not shown after Gaara and Naruto shook hands all the way until the Kage Summit. These profiles cover their first appearances until the Konoha Shinobi went back home. Therefore it is saying that even Temari born 8/23 was 19 when Shippuden BEGAN making the DBMini retconned. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 19:40, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

The DBMini says all of them were younger, even Kankuro was 17 in DBMini. Yet the DB3 which is larger and more complete and more recent retcons DBMini and for example its ages of 15, 17, 18 in the beginning of Shippuden.. and makes them 16, 18 and 19 in the beginning of Shippuden. It pretty much shits all over DBMini and makes it not valid anymore. The Sand Siblings were indeed 16, 18, and 19 at time of their Shippuden introduction. Remember DB3 covers their Shippuden introductions all the way until the Konoha Shinobi leave Suna after saving Gaara. You get it now or do I really suck that bad at explaining things?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:07, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

So even if a character is not shown again past a certain point, it still adds there ages?? The Sand 3 DB3 profiles only covers the Sand 3 from the first Volume of Shippuden. If Databook 3 covered up to the Kage Summit then that would make 100% sense. Itachi was not shown before Hiruzen died but in DB1 it says he was 17 in Naruto Part 1 yet we don't have that listed in his page do we? So in this case, The Sand 3 would have to be their DB3 ages from the start, meaning Naruto returned at 8/23 at the earliest ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:20, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

I just feel like he needs to revise these Databooks because he effed up maybe have a GIANT complete Naruto Databook that covers from Chapter 1 to Chapter 700 and gives infobox info and stats updated and correct for each previous databook therefor they can work on it longer and make less mistakes.. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:39, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

I hope so too. Also, I think I just figured out why DB1 made Itachi 17, even the he never showed up in that period. It was because DB1 was trying to make Itachi 17 at the time he massacred the clan, and DB2 simply said "naw bruh thats wrong" and made him 18 by the time he showed up in person Part 1 instead. Sound plausible? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:31, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah you know I have been thinking about that and its been bothering me.. Which is more correct and acceptable? DB1 or DB2? It makes Hiruzen a year older in DB2, but in DB2 there are no other errors right?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:31, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, so Studio Pierrot making them all taller than their DB2 stats(Naruto goes from 147.5 to 153cm for example) in the saga Itachi appears isn't just them doing that for no reason at all. They must have noticed the inconsistency too. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:53, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

periods/timeskips question
So we have: Right?--Elve Talk Page 15:31, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * pre-Part I./Background
 * Part I.
 * Part II.
 * The Last
 * Blank Period
 * Part III. (potentially)

I see. Well, for the time being it doesn't create problems, I guess. But if there will be stuff set like 5 years before 700 and x years after The Last for an example, it would be kinda problematic.--Elve Talk Page 15:40, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

In case of infoboxes I mean.--Elve Talk Page 15:46, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Location/Village infoboxes
Hey I just started a discussion of a possibility to integrate infoboxes for locations and or villages and I was wondering what you think of it. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 20:48, February 1, 2015 (UTC)

Something that has been bothering me...
The Truth-Seeking Balls not being listed as Senjutsu. I know you will tell me that "the databook did not say so" but here is my issue with that statement: The databook also did not list Mū as a user of Water Release either. But we added Water Release to him anyway regardless of the databook because of the Dustless Bewildering Cover, which was said in the manga to manipulate water. Well, the Truth-Seeking Balls were said to be made of natural energy, so what would be the issue with adding them as senjutsu and overruling the databook with the manga like we did with Mū? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 18:55, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Chapters 642-643, natural energy being the only thing able to damage and alter the natural energy of the TSB. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 19:05, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there were more statements. I don't get this wiki sometimes, something gets added but without proper referencing, then someone runs with eye through the article removing all unreferenced statements, potentially removing critical information, without bothering to check the validity of the statements instead.--Elve Talk Page 19:08, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Seelentau, according to Naruto in chapter 643, two sources of natural energy colliding was what was able to damage/alter Obito and his attacks. That statement Naruto made was shown by Gamakichi's attack altering the Truth-Seeking Balls, and Naruto's Sage-enhanced Rasengan damaging Obito as the TT jinchūriki. We know that Naruto's Rasengan had natural energy from senjutsu chakra, and the TT's  was stated to be identical to natural energy, damaging Obito. In Gamakichi's case, his attack had natural energy to collide with the natural energy of the TSB to be able to damage/alter them, in order to prove Naruto's statement correct. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 19:22, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand, but I was not saying that, I was referring to Naruto's statement on how two sources of natural energy colliding is what caused the TSB to be damaged in the first place. Gamakichi's attack had natural energy, so... how about the TSB to confirm Naruto's statement? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 19:31, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was translated, that is why we removed Senjutsu as a classification for the TSB, because the databook did not list it there (but then again, what techniques were listed as senjutsu? Not even Jugo's techniques were either). And also, does the TSB article on this wikia state that they are made of the "Six Paths Sage chakra?" That chakra does not qualify as senjutsu chakra either?
 * -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 19:44, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

Jin no Sho version 2
You said it was advertised on itunes or so, link?--Elve Talk Page 18:23, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Another question: is Kaguya or anything important colored in "illustration collection: naruto uzumaki" ? Thanks.--Elve Talk Page 22:41, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sure you will ;)--Elve Talk Page 22:54, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

You sure it's version 2? If there aren't any changes, I wonder what makes it version 2 lol.--Elve Talk Page 23:09, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Choji still also lacks Earth Release I see.--Elve Talk Page 23:38, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Great! So if we are lucky, version 100 some years from now will be flawless.--Elve Talk Page 10:48, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

Any update on the artbook?--Elve Talk Page 13:07, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Hopefully they will be up soon, I was wondering about Kaguya and stuff.--Elve Talk Page 13:50, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

I notice that FF-Suzaku doesn't have the whole Shinobi Compendium translated, with Tailed Beast stuff missing. Is that part available somewhere on NF?--Elve Talk Page 23:21, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. And well, it's not gonna translate itself :D If you ever get around to translating the rest, I will be grateful.--Elve Talk Page 23:34, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Would you seriously accept a donation? Also play less LoL.--Elve Talk Page 23:48, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

redirect suppression
Generally, if you're doing a page move on an article, it's not necessary to suppress the redirect. If you do decide to suppress a redirect though, please make sure to correct links so that the wiki's articles still point to the intended target. ~SnapperTo 18:23, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Uzumaki Daikan
I was going to make a table somewhere for the Japanese omnibuses (example) but the divisions they use aren't obvious from the page counts. Would you happen to know how the material is distributed amongst the eight volumes, or know of a website that lists it? ~SnapperTo 20:09, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

Tailed Beast KKG and Jinchuuriki
So Gaara isn't listed as kekkei genkai user even though he was a jinchuuriki of Shukaku with Jinton. Roshi is listed as a kekkei genkai user, but he had Yoton on his own even without Son Goku, is that correct? What about the other jinchuuriki, like Han? Well, what I'm getting at is the thing about Naruto being listed as kekkei genkai user, which is assumed to be because of the TBs advanced natures, but Gaara isn't, so may it be possible that Naruto's kekkei genkai has nothing to do with the Tailed Beasts?--Elve Talk Page 22:34, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I'm asking because while I was checking over at narutoforums, I saw some of the discussion you and others have and the wording about Roshi made it seem to me that he had had Yoton Kekkei Genkai even excluding Son Goku or so. You were once saying the same thing I believe.--Elve Talk Page 22:44, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

Thread:162053
For minor issues such as this, please to use a talk page or the requests page. A minor issue such as that does not really warrant an entire discussion thread, you know what I mean? I know the board is named "Wiki Discussions and Support Board," but that is for wiki-wide issues rather than issues that can be solved by one minor edit. Many thanks. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 23:38, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

opinion wanted
Can you weigh into this discussion?. Thanks. --Sajuuk talk 18:09, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

reading request
When you have the chance, could you type out the arc names listed here for me? I'd do it myself, but it would take me literally hours to look up all the kanji. You don't need to translate anything if you don't want to, just the Japanese would be great. ~SnapperTo 19:54, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

volume 72 tankobon
Got links? :P Would like to see the changes.--Elve Talk Page 20:54, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks bro.--Elve Talk Page 20:56, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * What the hell, two of the links require premium membership and the third which "doesn't" says that 'CAUTION! From your IP range the limit of connections is reached" even though I haven't downloaded anything yet. Could you upload the pages in particular which were changed? Interested in the redrawn Obito's death scene from volume 71, frontal Susanoo view from 72 among the two additional pages for 699, ty.--Elve Talk Page 21:16, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. If you find the reworked Obito's death scene let me know.--Elve Talk Page 21:31, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * "In volume 71, the scene where Obito is impaled by Kaguya's technique was completely redrawn from its initial release. In addition, some character reaction shots were also redrawn, as well as Kakashi's brief flashback being removed altogether."--Elve Talk Page 21:46, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

"Kisses" strange changes by the way.--Elve Talk Page 21:58, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * The additions make sense (should have been there in the first place) but the alternations are mostly just different angles. I think the Susanoo looked better from a side rather than front. And besides improved reactions from Sasuke and Kaguya, to me the Obito one seems redundant to have been redrawn from a different perspective since it also was fine, but shrugs, I ain't an artist.--Elve Talk Page 22:04, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

your behavior
Just saw the stuff from chat and I must 0_0 Just wondering, did you take any drugs or drink alcohol at the time?--Elve Talk Page 09:04, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Was also in the chat when that happened. Things got testy, I must say. Though Seelentau was not the only one throwing insults, so it's not all him. But I'm sure he'll notice Dantman's message. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 09:16, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * So am I, but that was downright insulting. But oh well, it's your thing. I just prefer people with a single face.--Elve Talk Page 15:53, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Shikamaru Hiden
Yo senpai, I got it from ANN. I consider it as a reliable source for information. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 15:37, February 8, 2015 (UTC)