Talk:Kinkaku Force

The Kinkaku Force
Someone needs to expand this page on the skilled Kinkaku Force of Kumogakure and the 20 members who were apparently responsible for the death of Nidaime Hokage. Shounensuki translated it to it's entirety on NarutoFan --Bartallen2 (talk) 18:21, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Can someone give me a link to where it states that this group's name is the Kinkaku Force? Otherwise it's going to be kind of hard to find it since there's no references.--Red-kun (talk) 00:33, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * They are named in chapter 481, on page four, second frame. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:47, January 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's the weird part. I looked up your translation for the spoiler of that chapter and it says Kinkaku Force, but on all of the chapter versions I see it just says Kumogakure master bounty hunters.--Red-kun (talk) 01:04, January 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * That is weird, but I can assure you they are the ones who are wrong. (Well, not really wrong, but still...) The Second Hokage clearly says . —ShounenSuki (talk 01:28, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Members
I know it's more than likely that Kinkaku and Ginkaku are members, but is there anything other than similar names suggesting those two are members? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:57, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not really i suppose. We can remove their names until we get confirmation in the upcoming chapters maybe--Cerez365 (talk) 15:01, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * After asking ShounenSuki to translate the siblings' last conversation within chapter 526, he provided me with the following translation to what Ginkaku says:
 * Although he admits that it is not 100% literally stated, there is no doubt in his mind that Ginkaku is saying he and his brother killed the Second Hokage and I'd have to agree from how the prior sentence is worded. This means that the brothers would have had to have been part of the Kinkaku Force during this period, as the entire squad is currently attributed with causing the Second Hokage's death. Blackstar1 (talk) 14:31, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Although he admits that it is not 100% literally stated, there is no doubt in his mind that Ginkaku is saying he and his brother killed the Second Hokage and I'd have to agree from how the prior sentence is worded. This means that the brothers would have had to have been part of the Kinkaku Force during this period, as the entire squad is currently attributed with causing the Second Hokage's death. Blackstar1 (talk) 14:31, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Regardless of the name of the group, I think the fact they say in the new chapter that the brothers tried to kill their kage along with the 2nd of the leaf, and he lived through that, that they obviously weren't in the group and didn't have any hand in killing the 2nd. This seems like a combination of a slightly off translation and someone jumping the gun on the connection and it has spread across several pages that clearly needs to be changed at this point. The brothers wouldn't have been part of the cloud, even if they were still alive at the time, when the 2nd died so the translation seems very much wrong in this instance. 173.26.55.148 (talk) 14:03, February 10, 2011 (UTC)miah

With Shounensuki's translation, is there still a reason for them not being added as members?--Cerez365™ 16:37, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * It was said that they left the second on the brink of death at the summit between Leaf and Cloud, not that they killed him. The Second fought the Kinkaku force at a different location. Having Kinkaku in their name doesn't mean the Gold and Silver brothers were apart of the group.--Deva 27 16:53, August 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah you're right. For some reason I saw the word "defeat" but thought "kill".--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 17:34, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

When it says that you're leaving someone at the brink of death, I'm pretty sure they mean killed. The way I read it, when they were fighting him they wounded him so badly that they left him to die, and Konoha shinobi probably found him before he completely passed away. It wouldn't make sense otherwise. Why would Kishi make a squad called "Kinkaku Force" that killed the second, then say that Kinkaku and Ginkaku brought him to the brink of death, but didn't kill him? That would just be horrible storytelling. Sometimes you guys are way too serious about everything needing to be directly stated. Japanese is a vague language as it is. There are a lot of sentences that can mean completely different things depending on the context. I highly doubt the Japanese version of Narutopedia (If it exists) has these types of arguements.MangekyoSasuke (talk) 04:46, May 4, 2012 (UTC)