Board Thread:Naruto Gaiden/@comment-1018594-20150610113403/@comment-24357950-20150614223753

Thekillman wrote: I'm somewhat hesitant to reply to this in light of plenty of threads of this very nature. But Karin already displayed that she would keep Sasuke's stuff. A piece of cloth with some DNA on it would be enough. Also, I don't ship anything of any kind (well, other than that Naruto-Sasuke in my mind would've made a lot of sense), and i don't care what others think about said shipping, or their motives. You clearly don't have any distrust over the situation, but i simply do. So, i'm simply being conservative over the whole thing.

The things that bother me most about the situation are:


 * ChouChou. Every reference to her quest of "finding her real father" gives me the suspicion that it's Kishimoto mocking us for doubting Sakura as the real mother (after all, her parentage is obvious, and established in 700).


 * The back and forth in the episodes. Naruto is surprised at the reveal, but he would've noticed pregnancy as i noted. I don't care about vague excuses: I am half a country from (busy!) friends and meet them *in person* more than once a year. They're also the new Sanin, so any rumor of pregnancy would be obvious, and any lack thereof in combination with suddenly appearing children would be extremely suspicous.


 * The entire circumstance of the reveal, with some vague sample from "probably" karin, with an apathetic and yet unsure Suigetsu. It smells like red herring all over. Sure, it's a clear strategy by Kishimoto to keep fans guessing, but until we have certainty i'm not gonna lean either way.

Lastly, what bothers me is that neither option makes sense, even though Karin's option gives some vague excuse and life lesson perhaps (a slight advantage over Sakura). I'm still of the opinion that we lack crucial information, because the situation right now is almost of Faulty Towers-style unnecessary drama over nothing. Karin being the mother raises ton of questions (she's not dead, so she could obviously care for her herself. nobody knows her face from the War so blending in should be easy. She can be pardoned for saving Ninja Lucifer since Sasuke's much worse crimes were too. etc), Sakura raises tons of questions (why the secrecy? why the confusion?). If it's a simple case of adoption, then *shocking reveal* just tell Sarada sakura's not her biological mother but Karin can't care for her.

'''TLDR: All my problems with the situation can thus be summarized with two short phrases:


 * why all the trouble?
 * Too many uncertainties'''

No matter how you put it though, Karin being the mother is a fact. Unless we get any kind of canon indicators that something could have gone wrong during the test, it remains a solid fact. I hate the argument itself, but here i go. Obito being dead was a fact until he turned out to be alive. I support the Wiki's stance (that is, reporting as-is from the Manga), but a fact is verifiable. Calling it a fact is a (acceptable) stretch in my opinion, calling it a "solid fact" is a step too far, and definitely not true. It's a fact that a dna test, with a sample that Suigetsu assumed was Karin's, yielded a match with Sarada. How far this goes to proving who's the real mother is hotly debated, but it's not a confirmation of anything. It's evidence on a pile of existing evidence, and right now Karin's pile is higher. To be Continued in the manga. I honestly don't think you didn't understand what I said at all. With "she's not the American Psycho", I meant that she certainly didn't cut Sasuke open to take some of his DNA, meaning the genetic materical wouldn't be exclusively interior. Her obsession is of sexual nature. The genetic material Suigetsu found also didn't seem like a "piece of cloth" either. DNA can't even be analyzed through mere pieces of cloth, unless they contain a great amount of liquid genetic material. If it was a piece of Sasuke's shirt for example, the mere skinn cless wouldn't suffice. We have to think logically here and exclude possibilities.

With regard to each of your points:


 * ChoCho's behaviour reflecting the true nature of situation is... a rather wild theory and I honestly don't see it at all. ChoCho's parts were there to add a little comedy to the whole situation, but reading those indicators out of other people's behaviour, I must say that doesn't even sound like Kishimoto.
 * Yeah, but obviously Naruto didn't notice anything of that kind. It can be that they haven't seen each other for quite some time too. Jiraiya and Tsunade didn't see each other for quite some time either. Shinobi travel. They go on missions. There's an unlimited room for explanation. Not to mention that the same thing goes for Karin. She may work in a different hideout but by the flashback we can tell that she met her old comrades at some points of her story too. It's the same thing.
 * I did not see any "vague sample from probably" to be honest. The flashback of Karin strengthened his assumption, the drawer was obviously Karin's and other than that there were absolutely no indicators for a mistake.

We only lack background information to understand the facts given to us. That, however, does in absolutely no way lower the certainty of that very fact. Of course, on the on hand it makes sense because Kishimoto is trying to deliver the message that motherhood has to do with feelings and not with genetics, on the other hand none of us know why Karin can't take of her child or whether she literally gave birth to Sarada, whether Sarada was the result of an egg donation by Karin, whether Karin and Sasuke actually engaged in sexual intercourse etc. But information gaps don't indicate that the fact itself is false.

As for your last comment, I don't really agree. The way I see it, facts are things that were directly said. Example: Character A said character B is dead. We didn't see B die, we didn't see his corpse, but it was stated. Now solid facts are facts that were not just said to be true, but also proven to be true. A DNA test result falls under this category. Solid facts don't mean there is absolutely no way they can turn out not to be true after all, because we can always run into the plot-twist scenario. The same goes for Naruto being Hokage for example. It's a solid fact isn't it? But if it turned out to be a mere Genjutsu, then this solid fact would be invalid all of the sudden.