Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-27660682-20160305032312/@comment-27924662-20160425172527

Iolaus94 wrote: @Rachin My apologies, by random jonin I was referring to Zabuza. Obviously Asuma isn't a random jonin.

No the battle would not have gone differently, or would have been harder for Hidan. Asuma wasn't fighting Hidan just because he was worried about his comrades, they all knew the risks of fighting Akatsuki when they joined the teams and Asuma did not need to baby them. That doesn't mean he won't jump in to help them, I'm just saying his team being on the battlefield wouldn't make him sloppy. It was already hard enough for Hidan in what was essentially a 2v1. Also, Hidan aimed a Shikamaru specifically because of his constant shadow spamming. Had the two just gone head to head without outside interference, the fight would've been over even quicker. As we can assume Chiriku and Asuma are closely related in skill, though Asuma could potentially be stronger since his bounty is higher(only a guess though).

Kakashi couldn't see Zabuza's chakra either. I'm pretty sure that, as a jutsu, the mist is saturated in chakra. Thus rendering any chakra sensing, by doujutsu, a moot point. Kakashi isn't a sensor type either by the way.

You people keep referring to Silent Killing like it's the Sage's gift to shinobi(It's really just moving quietly and attacking, it's nothing noteworthy at all). I'll admit that it's great against those much weaker than Zabuza, but not someone on the level of Hidan, or people of jonin rank or above with any sort of wary eye.

Hidan has good speed too, perhaps not the highest since he admits he is the slowest attacker in the Akatsuki, but not slow enough that Zabuza would decimate him utterly. Considering his sword is larger than Hidan's, I'd say his attacks are probably slower. The speed stat is about foot speed. He kept up with post time-skip Kakashi, and if you think Kakashi didn't get stronger or faster in that time then you are a fool.

Washing Hidan away wouldn't do all that much, he'd just get back up. Water prison wouldn't do much too, I doubt Hidan needs to breathe if he can survive having his head cut off for any extended amount of time(since his body wouldn't be breathing anyway). And as soon as Zabuza releases the prison Hidan would be on him as well, a poor choice on his part.

Let's also not forget Zabuza can also be overconfident, I mean after his first failed swipe on Team 7 he posed on his sword hilt while it was stuck on the tree. Who's to say he would not just let Hidan draw his symbol, thinking it's unimportant.

Zabuza is also mostly a melee fighter, hence being a swordsman. He might know a few tricks, but it comes down to swordplay in the end. Both are, at heart, melee fighters.

@AsianReaper I don't know what anime you were watching, but Kakashi doesn't make the hand seal in front of Hidan. He switched after being blasted by Kakuzu's heart monsters and hid somewhere using the smoke as cover. Heck, in the manga that didn't even happen.

Hidan isn't a fan of hurting himself, he's a fan of hurting himself to feel the anguish of his enemy. Like living through the death of someone who just had their heart pierced?

Kakashi, in the manga, didn't hold out for that long. Hidan was the distraction while Kakuzu used high level jutsu to damage him and wear him down. What you see in the anime was battle fluff to draw things out.

Zabuza was anbu-ranked. Meaning he was a jonin accepted into the anbu, the only known s-ranked ninja in the series are the members of the akatsuki. Every other jonin is assumed a-rank at most unless otherwise specified.

Hidan lost to shikamaru thanks to his incredible planning skills (shikamaru is a super genius dude, he's no scrub), if he was not as smart as he was and didn't plan that far ahead... then he'd be dead by Hidan's hands. Hidan also wanted to use his ritual specifically to end him since he was pissed at shikamaru, and when he was bound by the shadows and explosive seals he wasn't able to do anything, or make any hand seals anyway(he was still bound by shikamaru's shadow technique too).

Now, I'm certain Hidan and Zabuza would have a tough fight, no arguing that, but Hidan would win by pure attrition eventually if he wasn't able to draw blood and complete the ritual.

Hidan wins. the Silent killing is the most important factor in this fight regardless if a shinobi has to fight he should be able to sense his enemy.kakashi isn't a sensory and his sharingan was useless. both of these are true but you forgot he had the ninja hounds to track zabuza whereas hidan can't do ANY of this. whereas zabuza can kill him by use of his hearing.in case of hidan if his greatest asset(the ritual and immortality ) is taken into account(i.e. somehow he managed to start ritual he will win because it is impossible for zabuza to win in that case but other than that he has very low chance of winning).