Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20171028231750/@comment-734582-20171104101633

Namikazenaruto9 wrote: its use of environment to your own advantage. If that was the case than utilizing the battle field would be external power. But it is? A water-release user would be stronger near water, which is power they innately don't have. Hence, using your environment is external power. Arguing like that just leads to an endless cycle of if's and but's, hence the Chunin Exam Rules: If it's within your power to use it, it's fair game. Namikazenaruto9 wrote: The ends don't justify the means.(...) For starters Hashirama didn't enter the SM mode when they were fighting. I don't see what this is supposed to mean. Madara didn't summon Kurama instantly, they both started purely with weapons. Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Exactly my point. Madara didn't had chakra to use it. The best way to explain that Izanagi would be to say that he set it up like time bomb. And trigger for that bomb was his death. What? That's not how Izanagi works, not at all. For madara to survive he must've started the technique before the final slash. For that technique to work, he needed a ton of chakra. The longest Izanagi was held was 5 minutes by Obito. So, somewhere 5 minutes before he died, Madara must've activated Izanagi. He didn't trigger the second half (the reversal of all damage) until several days or weeks later, but that's not relevant. What's relevant is that in the end, they both had enough chakra for a final technique, and Madara demonstrably had more left than Hashirama. Hashirama spent it on a Wood Clone, and Madara spent it on Izanagi. Namikazenaruto9 wrote: When beast's attack went across the shore and threatened the village only than Hashirama went into SM. This is anime-only. As far as i can tell, no such thing happened in the Manga. The "One who know Everything"/"Madara and Hashirama 1 &2" sequence is a lot shorter in the Manga, and features Hashirama going sage mode pretty much instantly against Majestic Kurama.