Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-6769189-20200705100921/@comment-44437908-20200714084820

LegionZero wrote: Oriondragon181119 wrote: I will tell why and how I came up with my theories and you all tell if its trash or not. I came up with these theory to try to answer some questions from Naruto that we never got.

1. How the SPS came to be?

We know the ten tails gave SPS to Obito and Madara. Naruto got SPS from Hagoromo. Hagoromo and Hamura had it since birth (not confirmed). Kaguya also had it but before eating chakra fruit or after we don't know.

So we take the first scenario Kaguya had SPS before eating chakra fruit. If she had before then SPS is otsusuki clan's power. If that is true then Momoshiki, Kinshiki, Urashiki (anime is canon) could use it but they don't. If we say Otsusuki clan has the ability to use SPS but need strong energy source like Earth's chakra fruit then Momoshiki had a strong energy source he ate Kinshiki and absorbed half of Naruto's chakra and eight tails completely. If we take the 2nd Scenario then this theory tells the same thing. I came up with a theory that Earth's energy gives SPS. But the problem pointed out is that normal sage mode should be SPS. I think the god tree absorbed earth's energy and life force of people in it for 1000 years so the fusion between these energies could have created SPS. It's just a theory not a real fact. SPS is a special form of Senjutsu that involves 6 Paths Chakra

Hagoromo/Hamura werent born with it. Combining Ashura & Indra's chalkra creates Hagoromo's chakra. Madara didnt get SPS.

Hamura lived on the moon and attained SPS. Toneri lived on the moon and attained SPS so clearly it have nothing to do with Earth either

The Otsutsuki just want to eat yhe life force of planets. Earth is nothing special Hamura and Hagoromo used tsb when they battled Kaguya. Chapter 690. Earth is special why can't you just admit it is special. Kaguya prepared army to defend earth. She ruled earth if it wasn't special she would never have betrayed Ishhiki. But Naruto got SPS from Hagoromo's chakra.

LegionZero wrote: Oriondragon181119 wrote:

2. How did Naruto lost all tsb?

We have seen Naruto loosing 6 tsb in war but we didn't see him loosing the last 3. He lost 3 when he sealed limbo Madara. He lost 2 when he trapped black zetsu into chibaku tensei. He lost 1 which was used as footing for sasuke in lava dimension as they got teleported in Ice dimension. The jutsu Ashura Kurama mode used didn't have tsb in it. Naruto has been previously seen deactivating and reactivating tsb with his cloak but we haven't seen it that cloak since war. He used SPSM and KCM in war but he had half kurama. The cloak changes with time but the yellow eye colour and yellow cloak colour is not present. Maybe having full kurama made the war cloak turn orange but the eyes should have remained the same as SPSM is yellow eyes with cross slits. So again I came with theory that Naruto is not using war cloak he was using. I previously was saying SPS and SPSM is different but I am over it and I understand my mistake. He never went to recover those TSB. they are gone. The last 3 were floating behind him. Why did he needed to recover them.

LegionZero wrote: Oriondragon181119 wrote:

3. What the 9 markings represent?

SPS users had the same marking and I am strictly talking about Madara, Obito and Naruto. Madara and Obito had ten tails who gave them SPS. Naruto got from Hagoromo. I think the markings show tailed beast but why Madara said looking at 9 markings"you awaken SPS". I don't know that. If we know ten tails gives SPS then tailed beasts combined should be able to do it as tailed beasts are created from ten tails chakra and gedo statue is its husk/body. I think Naruto got SPS when he had all tailed beasts chakra inside him so the markings and Hagoromo gave him a sage mode that can use SPS. I think it works like curse mark. Curse mark gives senjutsu but we can attain a mode which use senjutsu but don't need curse mark from training. The databook mentions that Hardworking and training guys get SPSM if Hagoromo deems them worthy. Combining the Bijuu doesnt give the user SPS. Sasuke combined all the tailed beasts chakra and didnt get SPS.

Only having the Juubi does that

The back marking is too inconsistant so say what it is. Like you said, Madara called it SPS, but it was made the focus of a panel when Hagoromo was talking about splitting the Juubi. Either Madara was conflating the mark, SPS, and the Beasts or Kishimoto couldnt figure what what he wanted it to mean.

I can tell you for sure it doesnt mean SPS since a number of characters have SPS without it. I said combining bijuu chakra creates ten tails chakra as ten tails chakra was used to create bijuu. Your point again Sasuke could have it but his susanoo had lightning coming out of it.

I am not saying back markings is SPS but I am saying it has something to do with ten tails.

LegionZero wrote: Oriondragon181119 wrote:

4. Why only Naruto can activate and deactivate the tsb?

We don't know this answer as it was never stated but the tsb has a strong connection with the war cloak which had 9 markings. SPSM doesn't grant tab as when Naruto fought Madara without cloak he never had TSB but they appear with the war cloak(I am saying war cloak because we don't know the real name of that cloak as it was never shown again. It could be normal SPSM+KCM cloak but we can't say for sure). You are assuming no one else can deactivate theirs

Obito initially had 2, but upon gaining full control of himself he got the rest. But his tsb aren't dependant on cloak they were present always and when he lost the cloak they were gone and never returned. He only managed to make one tsb from black zetsu.

LegionZero wrote: Oriondragon181119 wrote:

5. What Ashura's reincarnates get from Hagoromo chakra?

Don't yell at me I know he got strong lifeforce and chakra. Indra's reincarnate get Rinnegan from Ashura's chakra fused with Indra's Chakra to make Hagoromo's chakra. Then Ashura's reincarnates should get Rinnegan from Hagoromo's chakra but Naruto didn't get one. I know he never had Sharingan. Ashura's reincarnate should get something when which is upgradation to their physical powers as Rinnegan is for spiritual power. I know the thing training Vs genins but Naruto got SPSM to match Sasuke and he didn't trained for SPSM. Naruto had mastery of Sage Mode already, he didnt have to train anymore. But he got SPS as a gift if it was gifted vs training then Naruto should never have gotten SPS. The training is scrapped in the war.

LegionZero wrote: Oriondragon181119 wrote:

He just got that from Hagoromo. All I am saying that Ashura's reincarnate get SPSM whenever they get Hagoromo's chakra. If this was true then Madara should have had it via Hashi-boob Again its just a theory and only authors can correct it. Ashura must have received some power and I think its SPSM.

LegionZero wrote: Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Except Minato no one has ever mastered the sage mode. How Minato did it is mystery as when Naruto was training Fukasaku said ok only jiraya did the sage training and Naruto mastered it which jiraya didn't. He should have mentioned that fourth hokage did the training and mastered it. He didnt say only Jiraiya did the training He said only you have mastered the sage mode but in war Minato also did it. Kishimoto got tired and drawn the same eye pattern for Minato because we have seen him activate sage mode against Madara but we knew sage mode is strong against juubi jinchuriki since juubito. And Minato didn't use it and if you say it takes him time then there was plenty of time.

LegionZero wrote: Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Naruto and Hashirama mastered sage mode and they were Ashura's reincarnate. So I came up with this theory. Minato having mastered Sage Mode destroys the premise of this theory Nope it doesn't as Minato having sage mode is not that much important because he used it once i war and Fukasaku never said Minato mastered sage mode. He only said Naruto is 1st to do it.

LegionZero wrote: Oriondragon181119 wrote:

It may be trash but we have seen Ashura use tsb in his avatar. Now they are tsb as there is no other jutsu other than tailed beast bomb but Ashura wasn't jinchuriki and it is confirmed so they are tsb. Absolutely none of Ashura's abilities have ever been revealed.

It is a fallacy to say that any of his abilities are confirmed because he wasnt revealed to have certain abilities.

It could just as easily (and fallaciously) be claimed that he is using TBB because he wasnt stated/shown to have SPS. And that's why its a theory.

LegionZero wrote: Oriondragon181119 wrote:

So with this information I came up with theory that Ashura's reincarnate get SPSM when Hagoromo's chakra is acquired. We saw how 6 Paths chakra effected Hashirama's body via the Hashiboob. And nothing happened.

dont know what he used. Could be either one of those, or both, or none. It could have been like Sasuke's Rinnegan as Madara got two Sasuke got one.

LegionZero wrote: Oriondragon181119 wrote:

So acquiring all tailed beasts is same as acquiring ten tails chakra. The husk is not needed to create ten tails chakra. Didnt work for Sasuke It could have but we never saw susanoo's back.