Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-35806245-20180607100011/@comment-33286580-20180609121347

Uzumaki take this one.

Now this is after i am more or less taking Naruto, Sasuke and EMS Madara out of equation (i say EMS because Rinnegan Madara couldnot happen without Hashirama's cells). the former two could take on the whole world with their powers if need be and EMS Madara can easily take out a village by himself.

I am excluding Obito of the list on sole reason as i am not considering Rinnegan Madara. the giy is all he is because of Hashirama body. without it he would be not be even on the same tier even with both MS. why? the non Sharingan Obito was inferior to Kakashi by all means. the awakening of Sharingan or MS doesn't really boosts anyones chakra it just gives you hell a lot of abilities. it is also chakra taxing.

No Nagato in terms of pure skills either because the Rinnegan didnot belong to him.

let's get away with the Uchiha we have the most knowledge about...

1- the Sharingan - not all have the Sharingan (unlike the Byakugan awakened by all Hyuga). only a select few awaken it. so it is not even that big of an advantage.

the Sharingan gives Genjutsu skills, but seriously if the likes an old Chiyo is not afraid of their Genjutsu than why should the Uzumaki. the simple tactic is to work as teams and this a team battle if clans are battling each other.

above all the Genjutsu of the Sharingan is not as hyped as everyone sees it. everyone just assumes that the Genjutsu of Sharingan is equal for all. it is not. we have the examples of Sasuke and Itachi as an example of it. remember that Itachi could paralyze someone the likes of Oroachimaru with his S Genjutsu to a standstill yet when Sasuke used it on Sai the latter was able to break it and escape from the destruction cause by Sasuke to put a hole in Orochimaru's hideout.

Itachi is the king in terms of Genjutsu and not Sharingan Genjutsu.

Shisui has great Genjutsu ability, yet so far it is only verbal and there are no real feats. Danzo used his S to put Mifune under Genjutsu and make the choices for him, but one call from AO and Mifune broke of it. so all it would take for an Uzumaki to take note that other is acting weirdly and the Genjutsu will be broken.

with team work and knowledge of your own clansmen the Sharingan Genjutsu is really not a problem at all.

Precog ability. it will be troublesome but the opponents will be in large numbers so it will not be that big of an advantage.

2- MS - only a few awakened it and that too most are anime based, even Fugaku, and more or less everyone is featless.

since i excluded Sasuke that only leaves Itachi and Shisui.

Itachi's strongest is Tsukuyomi. and so far in all encounters he has only used it once. it is higly taxing on him. it can also be applied on one at a time. he can at the most take out two with it and that would put Itachi in the back burner as his eyes will start to give out.

Itachi has Amaterasu which he actually can spam say some 6 or so times. (just read Uzumaki section for what can be done for it)

Shisui has Kotoamatsukami. this can easily take out one. but without Hashirama cells it can only be used once over ten years.... so... you know its useless in clan battles.

3- Susanoo- only Itachi and Shisui (non canon) have Susanoo. now this will be a tough ones to deal with. but their Susanoo isnt absolute as shown in the war. Gaara working half body Susanoo and all. this will be the key towards highly giving the Uchiha the advantage.

4- Ninjutus- they are known for Katon jutsu. since not all awaken Sharingan so most do not have variety of jutsu. and in lifetime it is only Jonin who master two or more elements so they only have Katon on their sides.

5- Izanagi/Izanami - the former can be used to avoid death, but without hashi buff only for few seconds. the latter can put only one in Genjutsu, but how is one to find a sequence of even in a chaotic clan battle to use it. will go blind in the eye. 2 used by one and he goes blind and becomes useless, a major disdvantage.

Now onto Uzumaki...

1- Chakra- they have high stamina. now it comes with great benefit. Higher level chakra seems to give a sort of healing benefit. Karin, her mother and Naruto were shown with healing prowess. Kushina survived the extraction of Kyubi. Nagato was able to host both pair of Rinnegan even as a child. so we can assume that there are more people like them who have healing powers of sorts.

Also Karin was burning with Amaterasu. and even though Sasuke put it out quick. she was being burned, it showed when she was rescued and her back was burnt. yet she survived. All it means that some Uzumaki have to react quick and seal Amaterasu away as we know it can be sealed.

2- Fuinjutsu- they were feared for their fuinjutsu. that should be more than enough said. we have seems how awesome it can be. it can be used to restrict the opponents to or seal away.

Now the thing most important to not, the only flashback of Uzumaki clan showed the leader using fuinjutsu with no needs of ink or paper. and it wasnt some advanced fuinjutsu either. this gives great advantage against Amaterasu.

if the likes of Danzo and Konohamaru can have seals on their bodies than something of this will be done by the clan with fuinjutsu abilities.

than there is the mask temples, which seems to have various kinds of masks. they have to have various use.

3- Fighting capabilities- the clan fought against invasion of multiple nations. they certainly didnt just spam fuinjutsu all over. so they have great fighting abilities too.

4- Admainte Sealing chains - it doesnt look like something that only Kushina had. karin later showed it. it is probably somethng that some clan members can use, probably like Sharingan which can only be awakened by some. those things could restrict the likes of Kyubi and break through the giant wood statues. if used only the likes of Susanoo will be needed to break it. even then i doubt it (Sasuke and Madara with PS can easily break through). it can even produce a barrier that can not be broken even by the likes of the Sandaime Hokage.

Onto people...

Kushina - Survived extraction of Kyubi after having giving birth. can seal the moment of Kyubi and produce a barrier that cannot be even breached by Hiruzen in her death state.

Karin - gets impaled by multiple wooden spikes and yet easily heals herself. heals others. can break through the giant wood statue against which hundreds of soldiers stand no chance.

Mito - has the Hundread sealing seal on her forehead.

Itachi - Great Genjutsu, but can be broken in teams. Tsukuyomi but can only take out one or two at most. Amaterasu which can be sealed away. Susanoo is the most troublesome. he took out the entire clan, but in the dead of the night when all were asleep and with Obito's help.

Shisui - fast and can take on multiple enemies, but the Uzumaki clan took on multiple nations at once. Kotoamatsukami can only be used once and on one person. Susanoo can be troublesome.

Fugaku - zero feats. said by his clan to be wanted to be the Hokage in place of Minato, but come on, every clan probably thinks the same.

Obito - power only because of Hashi body. Kamui but can he spam it and be fast?



Now if the above three excluded are used than the battle deviates greatly. it will give Uchiha the age, but not completely. i wil still say Uzumaki win but with a hell lot of bloodshed.

Naruto and Sasuke can be considered equals, but with Senjutsu buff to his ultimate form the Asura Mode Sasuke doesnt stand a chance. Sasuke only was on par because he absorbed the chakra of all the biju.

EMS Madara can be countered by the likes Kushina or Mito if they use full power of Kyubi and Rinnegan Nagato. and Naruto can utterly destory him if he goes full power and beyond.

Just an extra edit. Fugaku and Shisui are clearly strong, but nowhere in the S-rank league or higher. Fugaku is utterly featless and Shisui may be feared, but so was Kakshi feared even before his MS feats. Shisui is probably an elite Jonin or so.