Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31672013-20180831233027/@comment-27924662-20180920235151

@CombatlQmatters oh you are missing a lot of things relating jiraiya even without summoning jutsu. For starters could you be a lamb and tell me which is faster making signs for ninjutsu or an immediate ambush on guy or Kakashi's part? the answer should be fairly certain. He could easily immobilize the whole squadron with his Swamp Jutsu. (If mobility was even an issue in the first place and just escaping this bog would take more than half half of the jonin's concentration and efforts which is also excluding any effort on jiraiya's part who will try and kill them while they struggle to free themselves). Or even use Toad mouth bind to get those close to him before escaping and finishing the rest off. This kakashi is incapable of Kamuing the whole of stomach or escape from the trap. Naruto who was training with jiraiya was outfoxed by a mere shadow clone trick and who is to say that these guys won't fall for it? Just adding on, Jiraiya has never fallen prey to genjutsu user, often tackling them with mid -long range and Shadow clones. So Kurenai getting him with Genjutsu without being in short range seems stretch. Not a viable option. Also even if casual approach are somehow possible let's say who is to say that Kakashi or guy's close quarters attack willn't be met by Rasengan? Kakashi was struggling against the whole Collaboration ninjutsu even against Kakuzu and his mask. Jiraiya can do that with toads whose power can compare with Biju.As for Kurenai's genjutsu use, she only fought with Itachi, unless i am mistaken. Because if Kisame had been in the same genjutsu, Itachi would have to break him out of it with Genjutsu release. That was solely matchup between the two Genjutsu specialist.