Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170904204034/@comment-33308438-20171010113840

Ninja Of War wrote: ^Umm...no, You are severely underestimating Jiraiya here.

1) Jiraiya's jutsu has a much larger range than Sasuke's.

2) Jiraiya encountered Amaterasu before, even sealed it for study, he not gonna be surprised by that.

3) ??, not sure what you mean, but MS Susanoo can't fly. As for Susanoo arrows, Jiraiya can block that with toad stomach or lion mane.

4) Jiraiya encountered Itachi before, he not gonna be surprised with an Uchiha who is skilled in genjutsu. Jiraiya hasn't even been caught in sharingan genjutsu before. Also, according to Chiyo, sharingan genjutsu can be overcome with multiple allies, which Jiraiya has, toads.

5) Jiraiya is not gonna stand still and just let Sasuke hit him with all that, Jiraiya is a more mid-range fighter.

6) Arrogance is a weakness. Sasuke's superiority/inferiority complex at that point would make him greatly underestimate Jiraiya. This would make Sasuke reckless, just as he was when he fought the five kage.

7) Again, Jiraiya is more of a mid-range fighter, and Jiraiya is not standing still and just letting Sasuke do that. Lion mane or swamp technique would be enough to immobilize Sasuke's Susanoo.

8) That's quite arguable. Since EMS Sasuke was outpaced by 69yr old Hiruzen. Jiraiya is not getting speed blitzed, Itachi would have done that to him, if he was able to. You're saying Sasuke who actually hurt the Raikage is going to be beaten by someone like jiraiya?Who lost to 3 paths despite having sage mode?

You're severely overestimating jiraiya, especially since this is MS Sasuke who is leagues above jiraiya to be very honest.

About the flight thing, I was talking about the eagle summon he has. "Itachi could've blitzed jiraiya"....please, you should know by now that itachi was pretending to attack konoha stated by tobi. Even kisame said "Why is a retreat necessary for someone like you " to itachi.

Just because you know your opponents strength and powers ; don't mean anything if you can't counter it. If shikamaru and ino and choji knows everything about kakuzu's powers, will they be breezing around with him? No. That kind of logic don't work.

Jiraiya could seal those flames but I wonder if Sasuke converges the flames in his eyeballs, what's he gonna do?Take the sealing paper and paintbrush to draw the drawings to prepare for sealing the fire when it's outright scorching his face? The sealing process has a lengthy procedure, so not practical in battle.

Amaterasu might look like a weak technique but don't forget it completely incinerated shin's blades which are made of high quality steel.

Did hiruzen really outpace Sasuke, could you tell which chapter? Even if hiruzen outpaced him, does that take anything away from Sasuke's feats? It just makes hiruzen more of a speedster, not the other way.

As you know pain is an extremely slow opponent who couldnt even dodge konohamaru's rasengan even after seeing it. Sasuke simply blitzes jiraiya. Period. No way jiraiya keeping up. Even frog kata is useless as Sasuke is a far range fighter.

You're severely overestimating lion mane and toad stomach if you think its stopping Susanoo arrows. Something which pierced hashirama's wood release, which are way durable than toad stomach.

Everyone in the ninja world knows the famous uchiha clan.Every one knows, except newbie genins. That doesnt change the fact that not looking in the eye, or having partners would break genjutsu as a must , its probable. If it was an absolute ,then danzo who had ten sharingan eyes and the wood release cells (which have life, so it can break genjutsu) would've been breezing through sasuke's genjutsu. Sharingan can see through genjutsu and then break it. You do know that Cee who is a medical nin and sensor was incapacitated by Sasuke's genjutsu right? He said he couldnt properly move, after getting hit by it.

If an experienced medical nin and sensor ninja, couldnt break it , then how'll jiraiya break it? Even with the toads he'll not be able to break it in time as even killer B was totally incapacitated for a short while despite having the eighttails to break him out, it doesnt happen instantly like you think. The moment jiraiya is caught in genjutsu, he's a goner.

What does he being arrogant have anything to do with jiraiya getting the upperhand?I dont get it. Don't forget Sasuke is a pretty good analyzer and wouldn't be a fool for jiraiya's tactics, he even fooled danzo into thinking he didn't use his eye yet. Tobi said "Uchihas observation skills are better than you danzo" which means if anyone is gonna be tricked its jiraiya, as sasuke already fooled a hokage level shinobi, atleast he'd have the upperhand in terms of observation and intelligence.

"Jiraiya hasnt been caught in an illusion" lmao, did you forget jiraiya getting tricked by itachi by manipulating a woman to stall him?Itachi wasn't even seriously trying to capture naruto stated by tobi. If he couldn't realize such a simple genjutsu not that quickly then no way he's escaping mangekyou genjutsu, something which trapped hokage level shinobi.

What about the punch of SusanoO which can shatter boulders and bedrock?How'll jiraiya penetrate SusanoO, with big ball rasengan? Madara tanked it with ease, that too senpou:Oodama rasengan.

V3 SusanoO caught A in his raiton armor. Jiraiya isn't escaping that. Talking about wider range, Sasuke has the upperhand obviously. Chidori senbon and Kirin? Chidori spear? Amaterasu all around the field? Amaterasu swallowed up fire, you think it's hard for it to swallow jiraiya? You're severely underestimating Sasuke. The frogs wouldn't even have time to prepare frog song even if he retreats. Sasuke will simply follow him with a faster pace and kill with chidori katana.