Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-5936871-20160126112547/@comment-5936871-20160130021842

MlGshinobi wrote: Like I said, no one casted genjutsu on any edo tensi at all in the war, it should be obvious why. Even then, the edo tensi kages were immune to the infinite tsyukyomi. Genjustu generally manipulates the 5 senses of the body by manipulating the chakra in the nervous system. Itachi casting genjustu on nagato while kabuto is remotely controlling the body is irrelevant because kabuto wont be affected by the genjustu and can freely control nagatos movements. Kotoamtuskami only works because it doesnt traditonally affect the 5 senses the same way all other genjustu do, its literally just mind control. Its so strong that it broke kabuto's own mind control over itachi. I havent seen kakashi use genjustu since the zabuza fight, it isnt his prefered fighting style and he would have taken down pain if the other one didnt become a human body shield last second. Kakashi not using genjutsu in that situation isnt proof the rinnegan is immune. And no your defintion of visual genjustu is incorrect because itachi casted one on naruto with his finger. Visual genjutsu means eye contact with the medium will cause you to percieve the illusion. If izanami was a visual genjutsu it wouldn't have worked on kabuto because he blinded himself.

Thats not what the databook says. It says its endowed with all the nature transformations which inckude the basic ones as well as the more advanced ones. Thennit says it uses those nature transformation s and alters ANY of its properties to negate any physical spiritual or ninjustu attack. The fact the yata mirror was shown changing its size verifies this so who are you to say it cant alter its properties further?. All those who deny this are replacing facts with personal opinions. This is canon and no contitnuity issues were caused by the yata mirror. The hiruzen example is different because clearly in part 2 that was changed when we got more info on the senju brothers. The yata mirrors description never created a rift in continuity. The yata mirror clearly also deflected sasukes sword as well

Nagato isnt instantly getting off the ground first of all. The totuska sword was seen changing its size and was fast enough to catch orochimaru between words. Itachi's amaterssu is the same speed as sasuke, nothing suggests otherwise. Then whether it will work on a Rinnegan user or not is unknown, and is no longer worth debating. But since the Rinnegan is capable of dispelling the Infinite Tsukyomi alongside the power of the tailed beasts, and Sasuke's Susanoo's resistance to it was attributed to his Rinnegan. It's highly likely that lesser visual genjutsu wont work on the Rinnegan, and since there is no evidence to say that it will you cannot say that it will.

"The Yata Mirror was an ethereal shield wielded by the left arm of Itachi's Susanoo. It is said to be endowed with all nature transformations and able to change its characteristics to any nature transformation to completely negate any attack, whether it be spiritual, or physical.

Black Zetsu claimed that this, combined with the Sword of Totsuka held in its right hand, potentially made Itachi's Susanoo nearly invincible.[2]"

Straight from the Wiki itself, your argument also isn't helping because it mentions nature transformations the entire time when it explains how it's abilities work. There's a difference between altering elemental properties and transforming into some type of omnidirectional shield that can surround the whole susanoo. Also please explain why Itachi positioned his body inside of the shield itself if it is omnidirectional and it doesn't matter where Itachi is standing when he uses it? Also, it being able to defend itself from some giant snake heads from a critically weakened Orochimaru and Sasuke's sword that isn't anything special doesn't mean it can counter any physical attack and isn't evidence at all.

Orochimaru was a gigantic and slow target that was too distracted by his own words to pay attention. Orochimaru was also absolutely nowhere near full power or in a good condition at that time. He was also close to Itachi when Itachi did that. I already said that the situation is them both being several dozen feet away from one another on opposite sides of a field. It doesn't take long for Nagato to take flight, summons animals, or use shinra tensei to knock the sword and susanoo away since he can use multiple paths at once and can grow additional arms. Tell me how Itachi is capable of crossing such a distance and mowing down all of the summons, countering the shinra tensei, all of the asura path's mechanized weapons, hitting a flying Nagato who can absorb any jutsu and sense when Itachi is about to use a jutsu, and stopping a chibaku tensei all by himself so fast when Nagato has shown that he can do all of these things in a matter of seconds without a problem at once?