Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-25096344-20160709050959/@comment-27823212-20160721021638

UltimaDude wrote: @8Gates So you continue to deliberately ignore context to support your flimsy claims? Shows that your claims hold no ground The problem here is that you don't even know what context is, but that's what I get for dealing with an illiterate.

Naruto not moving his feet against Shin isn't context.

The size of an explosion does not always determine its power. Otherwise a stadium-wide flash bang is more powerful than a single C4 This is getting ridiculous. A flashbang's explosion isn't supposed to damage anything.

You're wasting my time. What you're saying here bar the ridiculous flashbang comparison isn't wrong, but you can't explain how it applies to this situation and you don't have any evidence of why it would.

Uh yeah there is: the sever discrepancy in pretty much everything between Sasuke and Hashirama. Hashirama won't be casting any jutsus if he's being paralyzed, burning to death, getting restrained, or getting cut in half A shame that Sasuke can't do any of the above to him.

It completely makes them on par with each other. What does a weaker Sasuke have to do with any of this? None of Sasuke's attacks were dodged, blocked, or parried unlike Guy's. Sasuke who is on par with Guy in terms of speed + Ameno clearly trumps Guy's overall speed The only difference between Rinnegan Sasuke & Ems Sasuke is that one has the Rinnegan while the other doesn't. Not sure how "weaker Sasuke" even applies here when that's the only difference that the manga has shown between them.

Both Sasuke and Gai being called fast doesn't mean that they are on par. That's a ridiculous fallacy that isn't even worth my time to address.

Sasuke is easily dodged by blind Madara & rushed down by Obito. Gai can easily ragdoll Madara as a Ten Tails' jinchuriki in cqc.

Amenotejikara doesn't increase Sasuke's physical movement speed and it being more effective than 8th Gate Gai at landing hits is a joke when Sasuke couldn't hit Kinshiki with it even when he had no knowledge while Kurotsuchi's surprise attack hit him.

Yet Minato and Tobirama were overwhelmed by much lower-level attacks. Juubito, before he completely had the Juubi's power under control, was easily able to blitz Hashirama and Tobirama. Minato got one of his arm cut off by Juubito and the latter would of blew him up if it wasn't for Tobirama. Sasuke easily blitzes Tobirama and Minato. Not to mention, again and again, that he nearly caught SPSM Naruto off-guard. Ten Tails' jinchuriki Obito is massively superior to Sasuke in all categories which was already blatantly shown when he was about to disintegrate him before Minato saved him.

What Obito did to the Hokage's wasn't even a blitz. He simply rushed at them with an attack that they had no ability to put up a guard against in cqc.

Tobirama tagged Obito with multiple explosive tags and a Hiraishin seal before Obito even made contact with his body & Hiruzen mostly dodged his rush outside of getting hit in the shoulder.

So Sasuke just shooting a fireball and switching places means he was going all out? Don't be a hypocrite What does this have to do with his speed?

He had no stated or implied reason to move at a pace where Shin could react to him and you would be an idiot to claim otherwise.

And your blatantly ignoring the part where he didn't move AT ALL. So what if he said that he wanted to capture Shin? That doesn't mean he would go all out in order to accomplish his goal. Heck, he even got Shin to surrender, just by staring him in the eye. Naruto couldn't land a hit on Madara? Are you sure you have read the manga or watched the anime? The fourth thing Naruto did, after his "revival", was throw a giant-ass Sage Art: Lava Release Rasenshuriken, which bisected Madara and cut the trunk of the Shinju TTJ-Madara's CT easily dwarfs Shinsuusenju. Heck, the only reason why the statue remain intact after the explosion with Madara and Kurama was because the thousand of arms on its back were countering Madara's Evil Disturbance Waltz spam, which destroyed all of them. TBB Rasenshuriken destroys a large portion of Shinsuusenju. All of your arguments have been rendered moot Naruto moved in terms of using his chakra arm. Naruto not going out only means that he won't try to nuke Shin off the planet, not that he is going to deliberately move slower than he usually does.

When Madara was fully recovered and Naruto tried to flank him, Madara simply knocked him away with Limbo.

Madara's meteors are only as wide as the Shinju's trunk, which is a mere fraction of the crater formed by Naruto & Bee's combined Bijudama in diameter, so dwarfing Shinsuusenju is obvious nonsense.

Not that it matters though since the statue is literally hundreds of times more durable than the simple rock that comprises CT.

VOTE's explosion did nothing to the statue and that explosion dwarfs Naruto's Bijudama Rasenshuriken multiple times over.

1. Naruto can't produce enough Bijudama Rasenshuriken to replicate what Madara did.

2. The destructive capability of Naruto's Bijudama Rasenshuriken is insignificant compared to VOTE's explosion.