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Minato vs MS Kakashi

Minato barely reacted + evaded kid Obito's Kamui. Kakashi fooled adult Obito's Kamui with his own, and showed more than once feats on par, if not better, with Minato in physical speed and reflexes. His long range Kamui, especially if head sized, is faster than Obito's and a lot more easy to accomplish and unpredictable; thanks to Kakashi's versatility, smartness and timing too, as Kakashi is also far more complete and versatile than Minato overall. Minato is just Hiraishin if he has to fight high level opponents, Kakashi has Raiton mastery, clones mastery, and Kamui as his trump card.

By feats they should be more or less as fast and as top notch in reaction speed too, I'd say Kakashi is physically faster and more reactive with some of his feats in the War Arc, he can also teleport at will between places or the two dimensions (Kamui and real world) with Kamui self warping, but Minato is faster overall thanks to instant Hiraishin, but he also needs to place his seals. They are also two of the smartest shinobi overall but I'd say Kakashi is even smarter, his feats against Obito are more impressing and against Kaguya too (Kakashi was overpowered but his intellect was the same). Minato's Hiraishin speed depends on his kunai and markings, Kakashi can track his kunai and has the reactions and the smartness to give him an hard time with things like Suiton + Raiton combo (electrified field) or Raiton Kage Bunshin, he just needs an instant to warp Minato's head away. In physical speed and reflexes, Kakashi is shown to be at the very least on par with Minato, both Kakashi and KCM Minato react and dash at the same exact time when Black Zetsu suddenly appears, but seemed even better than Yondaime, if we account that Minato is hit two times by Juudara (in between his sliced arm is also kicked away) without being able to react and Hiraishin away, but Kakashi, even if he could absolutely not be prepared for what happened and was clearly surprised, could activate and execute Kamui in a millisecond, warping away Minato's Rasengan countered by Juudara, and that Kakashi, even in an exhausted state, could perceive and mentally react to Juudara's speed (while Minato couldn't, if he could have he would have activated Hiraishin to teleport away).

Kakashi can use at the very least 6-7 Kamui shots (based on his War Arc feats) + Sharingan and other jutsu. So he definitely can take out Minato, especially with diversions like Raiton Kage Bunshin.

Minato has Hiraishin but to land a hit he necessarily needs to outperform Kakashi and touch him or land a seal on him; it's a lot more reliable to think that Kakashi would manage to make him touch a Raiton Kage Bunshin or to time his Kamui to warp away his head. Minato barely evaded Obito's short range Kamui, that is not as fast and not as unpredictable as Kakashi's long range Kamui; remember that Kakashi with long range Kamui could warp head sized objects in the same window of time of Obito's intangibility and of a movement of 5 cm from KCM Naruto, human sized masses so fast that people with full knowledge and top notch reflexes boosted by Mangekyo Sharingan and Rinnegan vision couldn't perceive the warping happening in front of their eyes (namely Obito ofc), giant sized masses even faster than the instant summon of the Summoning Jutsu. Even Minato couldn't perceive what happened when Kakashi used Kamui on the Gedo Mazo while Madara was summoning it...

Basically, Minato was in trouble against young Obito even if he won in the end, adult Obito will be the hell of a fight. Minato was able to Hiraishin away only at the last moment from Obito's Kamui, Kakashi's long range Kamui is faster and more unpredictable, and actually Minato couldn't perceive it when Kakashi used it on the Gedo Mazo, gaining Madara's praise; not to mention that Kakashi knows how Hiraishin works and he is definitely more complete than Minato, Hiraishin is Minato's bread and butter, Kamui is just Kakashi's trump card on top of a refined and versatile skillset with strong assets in ninjutsu, taijutsu and genjutsu. I'd bet on Kakashi for the win, War Arc Kakashi surpassed Minato.

Minato vs DMS Rikudo Kakashi

KCM Minato was unable to react to physical attacks from Juubito or Juudara; with Rikudo enhanced speed + Kamui phasing + Raikiri combo'd in the Kamui Raikiri, Kakashi blitzed the far more powerful Kaguya, slashing her arm before she could even react. Kakashi can use Kamui to teleport himself at maximized speed, having both eyes' power, basically a seal less Hiraishin to make unpredictable attacks with Kamui Raikiri, Kamui space-time barrier or creating PS and launching Kamui Shuriken or Rikudo enhanced PS slashes; he can use Kamui intangibility and there's the Kamui GG, his space-time barrier is unstoppable and uncounterable, he has a chakra source to spam it and to make giant dimensional holes and it's execution is faster than BSM Rikudo Senjutsu Naruto's movement speed and even than Kaguya's S/T portal that blitzed Rinnegan Sasuke, and was still warped away by Kakashi before it even managed to completely open... Kakashi blitzes Minato with Kamui Raikiri, warps away him in an instant, teleports behind himself and goes with Kamui Raikiri or Kamui GG while Minato cannot do anything, spams Kamui Shuriken, attacks with Perfect Susanoo... he is simply on another level.