Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34277398-20190315034807/@comment-38888483-20190510124659

Quadraticequation wrote: AsianReaper wrote: Quadraticequation wrote: Honestly I think Jiraiya’s reverse summonings are enough to take care of B and A. The summoning toad crush would deal with B and A. It would immobilize them and crush them until they die. Also I still contend that Pain is stronger than them, and he stated that Jiraiya could beat him. Minato is stronger than A because A admitted so. Bee is stronger than Minato because he proved so. Minato came behind B with a kunai a couple inches away from B’s head. Before he could bring the kunai closer, Minato felt something against his stomach. He looked down. B already had his blade pressed into Minato’s belly button. That’s why I think B was superior. Minato hadn’t touched B with his kunai yet, but B had his blade already pressed against Minato’s stomach. So IMO Jiraiya>B>Minato>Ay Bee has ridiculous cutting power in all 8 of his swords, more so than any regular blade and even more than standard wind release. I doubt he wouldn't be able to get out, especially if he uses his Tailed Beast Strength to cut using his swords with his extremely high cutting power.

Ay is in the same boat. He has Tailed Beast levels of chakra, and Lightning Release Chakra Mode which is basically a fullbody Chidori. I don't think it'd be enough.

Pain's whole advantage is basically no one knew how he operated. He was an extremely powerful combatant, but on top of that, his opponents had a hard time figuring out how he fought. I think Bee and Ay stand a good chance against Pain if Pain's secret was known to all.

Hahahahahah Bee NEVER proved he was stronger than Minato literally ever.

If Bee could have killed Minato, he would have. That was their entire goal. Minato's goal was not to kill, but to teach Ay something important. So he didn't go for the kill there. We all saw what happened to Bee when Minato was out for blood against Ay; his tentacle was cut almost clean off. Minato was just trying to get Ay to realize something. Bee in no way proved any wort of superiority there. If anything, he was the nervous one while Minato was completely calm about it I didn’t respond to this one because I didn’t have any counterargument. Pretty much my only argument is that before Minato’s kunai could even touch B, Bee’s blade was pressed against Minato’s navel, giving me the sense that his reactions were faster. As for Jiraiya, Sage Naruto outreacted the 3rd Raikage, giving me the feeling that Jiraiya had enough reflexes to trap B in his road crush summonings. His only problem would be B’s TBB. But, this might be considered cheating though, Jiraiya can reverse summon himself to Mt. Myoboku every time he blasts a TBB. When he launches a close range attack that’s when he gets him. But if Jiraiya was fast enough to keep up with Pain, B shouldn’t be a problem. Pertaining to Killer B if you look outside of his head to head encounter with Minato where it was quite clear that neither was going all out, you can see that his speed and reactions are not on the same tier as Minato's. In the Kisame fight, Kisame was able to block an attack from Sabu in front of him, react to the lightning enhanced sword B threw to the right of him, and still block an attack from B who was attacking from the back and then react to the v1 cloak headbut B used right afterwards showing that kisame's reactions are similar to if not greater than B's. This same kisame was blitzed by a KCM naruto whos best speed feat (which he did when he was a lot more experiencd in that form) was only Minato-like. As for Jiraiya You have to know that he is woefully outmatched in this fight... for starters we can't just assume that Jiraiya had the same level of heightened senses that Naruto had. There was a specific reason that kishi mentioned jiriaya's sage mode wasn't a perfect sage mode, to show that his mode was inferior to naruto's. Jiraiya has no counter for flying raijin, raikage's lighting armor techniques, or B's V2 cloak lariat. Also all 3 of them have ways of preventing jiraiya from reaching sage mode, and all 3 would curb stomp base jiraiya