Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-38071683-20191124044638/@comment-24824859-20191202195019

David Kibasennin wrote: Yeah, but OP said that he doesn't have access to SPSM, and I'm assuming he also meant he doesn't have access to SP chakra in general. So Shinju-cutting Rasengans aren't gonna happen.

Keep in mind, Sage Mode gives you the strength to lift giant statues without flinching. Jiraiya messed up one of the Pains with just a kick, and punched that Giant Bull away like it was nothing. I doubt a big ball rasengan would one-shot him.

The Rasenshuriken *might* as he wouldn't expect it to be thrown, but he would have intel on its effects, so he'd know to doge it asap.

If he's clone rushed, he'll needle jizo, or trap them in a frog's stomach, and THEN use Goemon. If each of them uses a rasengan (they wouldn't use a Big Ball Rasengan, because they could do that was against Kyubi in SM), he'll counter with a Big Ball Rasengan, and wipe most of them out, and tank the damage of those who get past it (because he's in SM).

Jiraiya's chakra is pretty high too, though not in huge quantities like Naruto's.

Also, I rewatched Naruto vs Momoshiki. Sure, he was blocking a few hits, but Momoshiki soon wiped the floor with him. Again, Jiraiya in SM has superhuman strength. Anyone in SM has superhuman strength. The OP clearly referred to current Naruto with his modes restricted. This doesn't restrict the SP boost to his base. So, the Shinju-stump-busting Rasengan is still in play

Increased strength has nothing to do with durability. Like I said before, a souped up UBBR or a Rasenshuriken is one-shotting Jiraiya

The frogs have no intell on the Rasenshuriken's effects and Naruto can guide them as well as make more. He can form a Rasenshuriken nearly as fast if not, just as fast, as a he forms a Rasengan.

Naruto can make at least a thousand clones. Jiraiya may be able to get a few of them, but he's surely not getting all of them. Why are you applying the limits of a younger and weaker Naruto to his older and much stronger self? Clone rush + Rasengan or Rasenshuriken spam = A dead SM Jiraiya

Jiraiya having a lot of chakra is completely irrelevant

You are flat out ignoring the fact that Naruto reacted to Momoshiki who blitzed the other Kages in the spam of time it took for the Shinju ttunk to fall down (which wasn't long). Nothing indicates that SM Jiraiya wouod do just as well against Momoshiki. You are overrating strength. Everyone has superhuman strength, it's just that the strength of a SM user is boosted. Even if SM Jiraiya is stronger than Naruto, it wouldn't even matter much since he'll quickly be overwhelmed