Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34938099-20180927150340/@comment-33286580-20180929204033

No Kurama or SP power up...

Naruto in early Shippuden has 4 times the Chakra of Kakashi. we know chakra grows with training. he is by adulthood way and beyond any person in Chakra i would say.

Rasenshuriken (incomplete one) is an attack that scared the day light out of Kakuzu, an S-rank ninja, thus already making the attack on par with Kage level.

Also in that very arc Kakashi admits that Naruto has surpassed him so we can at least assume he is Jonin level.

Pein arc arrives and Naruto has SM. Shikaku states that Naruto with SM is beyond any shinobi present.

Pein was a shinobi that took out Hanzo and all his supporters singlehandedly and we know that Hazno stood above the Legendary 3, whether they used their secret jutsu is debatable, but the 3 were already Srank and beyond shinobi in base.

in Pein arc base Naruto withstood Shinra Tensei, which very few survive. he also took out Deva body with a base Rasengan.

At the turtle island he fought against Yang Kyubi, who in sync with Naruto later utterly dominated 6 Biju at once. Naruto pushed Kyubi back and with a little help defeated him.

in the war he defeated the strongest Raikage in SM. his SM Rasenshuriken was seen as a relative threat by Edo Madara who went on and used Rinnegan. These all was done by a clone of Naruto.

he later hurt Juubito with a SM Rasengan. his base Big Ball Rasenshuriken took out two of Hashirama's wood Dragons and hurt Edo Madara. also to note that at this point Hashirama was in Sage Mode.

in Boruto he is shown to enter SM in an instant. He fought a fused Momo in base. he has multitudes of Jutsu under his command. and what not.

Oh. his base super Rasegan tore through fused Momo and killed him.

Now. also at this point given his partnership with Kurama he can use Ma and Pa like Jiraiya did for SM or simply have Kurama collect Nature chakra for him. he is never running out of that power.

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now for opponents.

the only real opponent will be Hashirama to Naruto here and that too SM Hashirama.

SM Naruto defeated Pein, who stands above the Kage in power.

War Arc Naruto alone can take out all competition. He was duking with half the Kyubi with little help by this point and in SM has shown reflexes that surpass the strongest Raikage.

Tsunade may prove a challenge, but more so because of durability and nothing else. one Rasenshuriken will undo her Hundred Seal. even without that a barrage of Rasengan will put her down. her seal is not infinte in the end.

Kakashi by himself at full mastery of Kamui can only send a person into his dimension. he can also use Kamui at the more 3-4 times before wanting to be healed or getting a Chakra power up. with Shadow Clone he seriously doesnt stand a chance. it is also not like he can tell the differece.

Mei and A are really no chalange. Oohnoki has the Dust release and the only thing Naruto wont have a proper counter too. it is a matter of avoiding the jutsu. And adult Naruto has shown that he is hell of a fast guy.

the new gen Kage seem to be stronger than the older ones, but the fight with Momo showed they are simply not on the level of Naruto.

Tobirama and Minato are trickiest one, with FTG and both knowing Shadow clones. but Naruto is on level of Kage Bunshin that no one else is. and with SM he can probably react to them. he was reacting to Kamui with KCM1. and with 3 Raikage fight we can assume that the reaction and reflexes of SM are higher that KCM1.

Onto Hashirama. Yes Naruto can beat him. Remember i stated a point above where Naruto's base big ball Rasenshuriken took out 2 of wood dragons of Hashirama and this were used by Hashirama in SM mode, as in they were powered up. Naruto clone also showed that with little bit of Chakra from Kurama in his completely exhausted state can counter the Forest jutsu of Hashirama with barrage of big ball Rasengan. that was a clone and completely exhausted so a healthy Naruto can also easily do that feat. it essentially showcases that Naruto in base can actually take out all big guns of Hashirama even if SM powered. with Senju Kannon Naruto can go SM and barrage the shit out of it with SM Rasegan. i mean if a weaker version of it can be taken out of Karin of all people one would be mad to think that Naruto cannot do the feat.