Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-1018594-20150821001654/@comment-25093611-20150823161543

BakumatsuWarrior wrote: @GreatestSin: You're right about Sasuke's Susanoo being active. I checked it myself. My bad. But sorry, you're still wrong about the fight making sense. Danzo wasting his second Izanagi for using a Kunai against Susanoo is plot-induced stupidity no matter how you look at it. Given the fact that Danzo immediately appeared on a high piller after using his second Izanagi, it's quite logical to think that Danzo could have appeared at a more favourable position after his first Izanagi. Heck, he could have tried appearing inside Sasuke's Susanoo in order to nullify the effect of Susanoo's armour. Had he succeeded, then Sasuke would have been caught off guard and probably killed. Had he failed, it would have been worth the effort, as at least he would know that it's not possible to materialize inside an incomplete Susanoo. Either way, with Danzo's knowledge of the Susanoo, trying to materialize inside the Susanoo would have been the sensible use of the Izanagi, as opposed to doing something stupid like attacking the Susanoo from outside. we dont know if he can show up inside susanoo, afterall there is still chakra between sasuke and the susanoo-bones... furthermore, what else could he use except "new ways" of kunais? he doesnt have incredible powerful chakra bombs :I BakumatsuWarrior wrote: Also, Danzo did have his analogue of "machine gun" i.e. that mammoth sucker he summoned during the middle of the fight. Given the pressure he faced from Obito, the most sensible option would have been to dispatch Sasuke as soon as possible, with the least amount of chakra consumption. Again, his knowledge of Susanoo should have helped him. To dispatch Sasuke quickly, he could have summoned the mammoth sucker right behind Sasuke after his first use of Izanagi. Sasuke would have been disoriented and exposed as a result. And since Sasuke would have his back facing the mammoth, any attempt by him to face the summon to in order to defeat it would result in further disorientation and hence, mor vulnerability. Even if Sasuke moulded his chakra on his feet to avoid disorientation, his Susanoo would still be sucked in, again leaving him exposed.

this is how the fight is written, there is no plot induced stupidity since danzo didnt forget a jutsu which could have been more favorable than the ones he used in the fight, and even if, maybe he didnt use them because they had been to chakra consuming, all im saying is that you cant say that it is PIS if the char acted like he did, otherwise narutos fight with pain was also only because nagato had PIS, example: instead of talkign to th on-the-ground-pinned-naruto nagato should have KO'ed him and would have won, instad he talks... but this isnt PIS, this is how the plot was written, if, for example, nagato had the power to control a bijuu with the rinnegan and he showed the ability to use it, but he didnt use it in the fight, than this would be PIS... the same for danzo (and since we dont know what for abilitys he had we can only assume that he showed his best moves already) ^_^ BakumatsuWarrior wrote: The above scenario is merely a fanciful conjecture on my part. But the important thing is that a Kage level Shinobi like Danzo, who had all the relevant intel regarding Susanoo, would never use a moronic move like attacking a Susanoo with a fucking kunai. With his power, skills and the intel he had, Danzo would have come up with something clever were it not for Plot. Danzo had ten Izanagis, and Kishi needed excuses to waste them. And so he resorted to plot no jutsu. everything happens because of plot, i understand what you mean, the fight could have ended in danzos favor but the story simply didnt want it to happen, at least this fight was better written than the one with obito and madara (and kaguya) ^_^ (and it didnt need 20 chapters) BakumatsuWarrior wrote: But that's not all. There's another, even more powerful plot no jutsu in this fight. Namely, Danzo using an Izanagi for 3 small shurikens? Like really? A Kage level shinobi having to use Izanagi for such an amateurish move? It would have been another case had it been Itachi's shuriken jutsu, where Itachi could hit a bunch of rinnegans well outside their fields of vision. Not only that, Itachi's shuriken jutsu allowed him to bend the trajectories of the shurikens and kunais with sheer skill. But Sasuke's shuriken attack was transparent and had a straight trajectory. No Kage level Shinobi would fall for that Academy-level trick. Except again, plot no jutsu intervened. And this is an important intervention, since that one Izanagi Danzo was robbed off because of Plot would have resulted in Danzo's victory. But you choose to ignore that. im not ignoring that the fight happened how it happened because of the plot, this is wh anything happens in a story, im only saying that in-story explanations got provided for the most things, i agree that it somehow looked unreal that sasuke killed danzo as if he was super-fodder, but this is mostlikely because danzo simply didnt have a way to deal with susanoo, look at the moments where susanoo wasnt active, danzo easily innjured him and nearly killed him if there wasnt the plot again (it isnt plot armor since it got in-story explanations (the sharingan powering up through hate(cheap but at least mentioned))) sasuke would be dead ^_^