Talk:Gunbai

Scythe?
Where does it show the chain connecting to the scythe? After the battle against the Hashirama Senju, he Madara can be seen with the fan, and the chain is not connected to anything... it's possible it was cut during the battle, but still. - S im A nt 06:42, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, and earlier pictures show the chain and no scythe at all. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 21:30, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

How about just creating a soft redirect for this page, like all other minor weapons, such as the flail? Yatanogarasu 06:42, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Use
In Generations, Madara used his Gunbai to create gusts of wind to blow away enemies and as a defensive tool to block attacks. Should we mention this in the article even though it is non-canonical?--Chimoshi (talk) 16:21, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Game information is not usually chronicled outside of game articles. But as it is that it's a war far, I don't think it'd be used for any other purpose.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 16:28, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

War fans historically are used for signalling troops, and blocking and striking at close quarters. This fans ability to create large gusts is unique and I believe we should add this to the trivia section.
 * I should have probably been more clear... Temari who is the only other named user of a war fan in the series uses it for the same purpose, it's nothing new. Obviously war fans would not have the same real-life use as summoning up gusts of wind.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 13:06, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

Pic
Have we got a better picture where half of it isnt hidden behind someones back? Kotoamatsukami (talk) 19:01, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Inconsistent Color
I noticed in the manga colored image of Madara with the fan that the fan is orange, but in the manga colored image of Tobi with the fan it is instead purple. Is this an error, or a case of extreme lighting, or some other color effecting status? Diamonddeath (talk) 09:23, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * When Tobi said the gunbai was Madara's he did not necessarily mean that it was the one he had however many years ago. He could have just as easily meant that this was Madara's weapon of choice, so he gave it to him.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 09:56, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

It was clearly his, ever heard of this? Obito/Tobi simply dyed it to his tastes--Elveonora (talk) 15:36, September 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * For once, I gotta agree with Elveonora on this one. Its obvious they were the same gunbai. Obito calls it Madara's gunbai. "This is yours after all" in no way implies that it was Madara's preferred weapon. If that were the case, he'd have said something along the lines of "Here. You prefer this type of weapon anyways". A simple trivia note to illustrate the inconsistencies would suffice. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 17:28, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Sweet heavens, I thought such thing couldn't ever happen :P It's surely the original fan of Madara, why it's so hard to believe it was painted, Cerez? We can always ask our local Japanese-translating buddies if something for a confirmation--Elveonora (talk) 17:50, September 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I just find it difficult to call something like this an inconsistency and chalk it up to Tobi painting over the fan, for what reason? Unless he's that fashion conscious. Any way, if the majority believes this to be so, fa be it from me to stop you guys, I will however, ask that nothing outside of what was said in the article be mentioned there, such as paint.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 18:06, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Obito haz a good fashion sense, like designing various masks, modifying paths of pain to match his eyes, wearing a wig and stuff. Again, all we need is a correct translation--Elveonora (talk) 18:15, September 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I added it to the article. It contains no speculation on how it got to be that color and merely reflects the information we know for sure. It should do until we get clarification, if we get any at all. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 18:22, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

I think it was very clear that the Gunbai Obito used was Madara's, and I think the way TTF wrote the information is adequate. It states what is know, and just that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:15, September 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * I figured it would be the same one, but I also think it would be almost disrespectful to paint it a different color. Maybe it was just the lighting or a retcon. Diamonddeath (talk) 06:09, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Madara can have some gunbais and it's probably another one different to the one he used in the past, like Killer B's supervibrato swords or Obito's masks. Light-Revan (talk) 14:36, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Barrier technique
Even though the page was deleated a while back, i'm bringing back this discussion because it appears that the deletion of this technique was completely wrong. Here are the reasons:

1. Stating that it's Susanoo. First off a key feature for Susanoo, it that we always see it's bones especially it's ribcage when used for defensive purposes. As we see in chapter 601 there are no bones whatsoever and a side view shows this being a literal wall. Plus the whole idea of it being a Susanoo chakra flow thing is both silly and redundant plus while the Susanoo grants high defensive properties, it needs to have bones to give a proper defense.

2. Stating this is the Preta Path. The Preta Path only absorbs chakra based attacks, this wall blocked half a dozen of giant metal stakes, in other words it blocked a physical attack.

3. The sequence as a whole. Naruto throws the stakes, Obito replies by returning the weapon to Madara, then we see the dark chakra covering himself and the weapon, Madara the places the gunbai in a deliberate blocking position and in the end of it all we still see the gunbai covered in chakra after the technique dissipated, showing that it was used as a medium. It may well be a chakra flow but it's a deliberate separate technique.

Opinions are welcome and necessary. Darksusanoo (talk) 17:48, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think people assumed it to be a Susanoo aplication due to how it's aura is similar but yeah we don't see any bones, how it can't be the Preta Path because it only absorbs chakra, and how we still see the chakra comming from the weapon even after the technique was ended and how the thing looked like a wall and not a Susanoo part of sorts. This looks like a barrier technique not an aplication of another technique. 188.81.251.122 (talk) 21:02, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

Anyone else care to join in? Darksusanoo (talk) 21:58, December 26, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you. It couldn't have been Preta Path (especially cause it blocked a physical attack), and we didn't see the bones of Susanoo.71.71.58.231 (talk) 22:42, December 26, 2012 (UTC) Yhwach

If it's a new technique, then I want it to be called something new. As far as I'm concerned that's still an application of Susanoo. I never saw anything indicating absorption for people to think that it's the Preta Path. Madara has used the Preta Path already, and it looked nothing like that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:48, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * But sempai you were one of who mentioned it when Madara used the Preta Path on chapter 612. And What evidence do we have that this is a Susanoo aplication? And why should it be? Madara has always only used the actual Susanoo ribcage for defense, by that way everyone who has the Susanoo always only use the ribcage for defense. So it would make this aplication redundant...besides we see that after the wall dissapears that there is still chakra flowing out of the gunbai. It stands to more reason the way it was before, a chakra flow technique that creates a barrier. One question though: why is everyone so fixated that this a Susanoo aplication if it's clear that there none of the usual signs of the Susanoo? Darksusanoo (talk) 23:57, December 26, 2012 (UTC)