Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-32900772-20170904113855/@comment-24824859-20171013230005

XShadyShadow wrote: Based on pretty much everything. Everything indicates that Madara was too much for Naruto and Sasuke. Sasuke did use his full power, the only thing Naruto didn't do was combine multiple Kurama clones like he did against Sasuke in the VOTE but that wouldn't be enough to take down a TTJ that has also absorbed the Shinju tree, plus his other amps. Countered everything Madara did, like what? The meteorites were casually done by Madara, hell he even compared them to raindrops so it's more than obvious it was a small percentage of his power. Even the dialogue, he pretty much told them "Here, daddy has something to do so have fun with these raindrops." Sasuke only used four jutsus (Chidori, Amenojikara, Chidori Sharp Spear, and PS), while Naruto also used three, four counting TSBs (Sage Art: Lava Release Rasenshuriken, Magnet Release: Rasengan, Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshuriken and Shadow Clones). Using four jutsus out of countless ones is hardly using one's full power. During their brief skirmish: NOWHERE in the entire fight with Madara did Naruto and Sasuke struggled nor did they use their full power. A villain being cocky and thinking that his opponents are no match for him is no indicatation that he is too powerful for his opponents to beat, not when his opponnets didn't even use anywhere near their full power XShadyShadow wrote: Limbo was never countered after it duplicated to four. We saw Naruto's clones and Madara's Limbos clash for one panel, next time we saw an update on that Madara's Limbo was perfectly fine and Naruto's clones were gone. Sasuke was even visibly shaken up during the IT because Madara's Limbo were waiting outside. Even at the end, Limbo surrounded team 7 and they didn't have a response for it. Sasuke told Naruto to be careful and Madara said no, I'm not letting you do anything else. It's over. If Madara was in true danger of Naruto and Sasuke he wouldn't so confidently tell them it's over then proceed to surround them. Logically, Naruto's clones cannot beat Limbo if they mimic Madara's stats unless you think Six paths Naruto > TTJ Madara. It's highly debatable if Six paths Naruto could even beat One Rinnegan, TTJ amped Madara. In fact what we've seen points towards Naruto losing. If we were to throw in Rinne Sharingan and having two Rinnegan there's no way he'd have a chance against Madara. Naruto's clones still kept the Limbo clones busy, even if it was for a short while. Sasuke was shaken becuase Naruto was about to risk them getting caught by IT, therefore not being able to stop Madara and save the world. After IT has been cast, Madara came down hyping himself up and talked down to Naruto. Right before he could do anything else, Black Zetsu literally backstabbed him, forcing him to absorb chakra from the victims of IT and transforming into Kaguya. Again, a villain being cocky and thinking that his opponents are no match for him is no indication that he is too powerful for his opponents to beat, not when his opponnets didn;t even use anywhere near their full power. XShadyShadow wrote: We're not even accounting for the fact that Madara's also capable of wood style, didn't show all of the basic Rinnegan abilities yet, we never got to see the full extent of his two Rinnegan (As with both eyes the full power of a Sharingan/Rinnegan comes out, I severely doubt gaining 4 Limbo was the only upgrade) and especially the capabilities of his Rinne Sharingan. So if anything Madara was the one that didn't go all out. He didn't really have a chance to because Kishi insta-gibbed him with Black Zetsu. I can agree that when Madara had one Rinnegan it was their chance to beat him. But after he attained the second then got the Rinne sharingan, I think it's more than obvious the duo would've lost. And you're not even accounting for the fact that Naruto and Sasuke are capable of using the numerous techniques at thier disposal. Madara lost access with his Sharingan and we have not seen what Madara could do with the Rinne Sharingan. Again, Naruto and Sasuke also didn't go all out so to say that they would have lost because Madara didn't go all out is completely absurd
 * Naruto cut Madara and sliced the Shinju with his Sage Art: Lava Release Rasenshuriken. While doing so, he dodged Madara's Limbo
 * Naruto and Sasuke avoided Madara's Sage Art: Yin Release Lightning Dispatch
 * Naruto jumped to attack Madara to which the latter responded with a Limbo blocking to attack. Madara then proceed to use Sage Art: Storm Release Light Fang to cut Naruto but the latter dodged it to only get knocked back by Limbo
 * After telling Naruto his plan, Sasuke teleported Madara in between his and Naruto's "Onyx Chidori" and Magnet Release: Rasengan. Right as they were about to touch him with the Six Paths Yin and Yang seals, Madara flew up to retrieve his other eye (because the duo were giving him trouble) and left his Limbo clone in his place. Sasuke told Naruto to watch the clone, while he tries to catch up to Madara
 * Right when Madara took out Kakashi's eye, Sasuke caught up and bisected him with his Chidori Sharp Spear. With only half of his body, Madara transported himself to the Kamui dimension to retrieve his other eye
 * Black Zetsu (through control of Obito) transported himself and Madara, who now has both of his Rinengan, back to Earth
 * Madara sent his Limbo clones to attack Team 7, Naruto responded by summoning shadow clones to fight them off
 * Madara flew up in the air to prepare to activate Infinite Tsukuyomi while casting down enormous planetoids on Team 7. Sasuke flew up in his PS in order to intercept Madara, while slicing planetoids that are in his way, and Naruto conjures up Tailed Beast Ball Rasenshurikens to destroy the rest of the planetoids before they can hit the ground
 * Despite Naruto and Sasuke's efforts, Madara awakened the Rinne Sharingan and activated Infinite Tsukuyomi
 * Right before Madara activated Infinite Tsukuyomi, Sasuke flew back down to Team 7 and shielded them from the light of the genjutsu
 * After Infinite Tsukuyomi has been cast, Sasuke unwraps his Susanno
 * Naruto and Sasuke prepares to have their showdown with Madara, who now proclaims to be the savior of the world, but before they could do so, BZ pierces Madara and transforms him into Kaguya. The rest is history