Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-46828725-20200910033310/@comment-46817411-20200924025014

BloodOfTheArchon wrote: You'd be wrong then. Madara has shown nothing outside of what I pointed out that puts him ahead of Itachi. Itachi literally said all he would need is the EMS to surpass Madara and it showed the Madara from the VotE when he said that, he went on to say the current Madara is a shell of what he once was so Itachi was clearly referring to EMS Madara, and saying that he would only need the EMS to surpass him. For the millionth time, Madara only has chakra levels, destructive ninjutsu, EMS and CB Susanoo over Itachi and that's it. Itachi who was near death and almost blind has basically the same tiers in base states as Jiraiya who had zero excuses as he was not terminally ill nor blind. Mind you Itachi's speed with his hands alone are ridiculous as he was able to not only keep up with Sasuke's easily

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but he was able to weave signs and make clones completely unnoticed by Sasuke all while they were doing the clash... and again Itachi was terminally ill and close to death and nearly blind and still did all that. Obito goes on later to say Sasuke didn't actually see through any of his Genjutsu, pretty much hinting Itachi let him see through them all. Later as an Edo he was able to dodge and fight Killer B casually and his speed was too much for B to even touch him besides the one time he let B touch him in order to catch him in a simply genjutsu which required Gyuki for him to get out of. He then goes toe to toe with KCM Naruto who can't actually land a hit on Itachi even with B trying to help him all the while Kabuto is in control. KCM Naruto who knows B is a perfect Jinchuriki still warns B not to get hit with Tsukuyomi or it will be over and B doesn't disagree at all. Then the fact that the Itachi Shinden novels are canon to the manga itself meaning Itachi has even more feats from there such as his ability to use his chakra to strengthen his kicks and punchs, and the fact he can use Tsukuyomi to kill if he intends to. He can even use Tsukuyomi to catch thousands of nano sized bugs along with their user. There are plenty of ways Itachi can win in this battle which is why I gave him 4 out of 10 battles. With the eye strain and pain, and his lower chakra levels he would lose 6 out of 10 battles. You just don't like Itachi at all so you want him to lose way more than that and that's just called childish bias.

He NEVER said all he needs is EMS to surpass Madara. He said once he gets Sasuke's eyes he would then be able to surpass Madara. And about that statement you made about his goals, he technically never wanted to surpass Madara. No, it showed a FUCKING STATUE.

What you said about comparing Jiraiya to Itachi is basically saying that Jiraiya can beat Madara. ARE YOU LISTENING TO YOURSELF?! You're also basically stating that ITACHI IS ON THE SAME LEVEL AS HEBI SASUKE! NO. NO HE IS NOT.

Sasuke also made a clone or some shit without Itachi noticing. And you're gonna have to show me where Obito stated Sasuke "Let him see through his genjutsu". Idek if that's a real thing.

Itachi's speed was not too much for B. You can obviously see him on the defense. B even gets put into Itachi's genjutsu while the shurikens are coming at him. He breaks out of it with Gyuuki's help and pulls out all 8 swords and correctly positions them in time to block every shuriken. He then goes on to put Itachi into the defense forcing him to retreat.

Neither Itachi nor Naruto can land a direct hit on each other and you just disproved me and told me that Kabuto wasn't controlling him. Now you just said that he is. WHAT ARE YOU ON ABOUT MATE!?

Everybody amplifies their attacks with chakra. You act like Itachi's the only one who can do it. And apparently you haven't heard of this complex technique known as LOOKING AT YOUR OPPONENTS FEET. Naruto says: "Don't let him catch you" implying that all he has to do is make eye contact with you i'm pretty sure you have to look him in the eyes in order for him to do it. So with that in mind, it can be dodged. EMS Madara is easily faster than a KCM 2 Naruto. He's already faster than KCM 2 Naruto as an edo.

Dog, I love Itachi. He's in my top 5. I will suck Itachi dry when I can. No homo doe.

Also, I agree with @JamesSenpai about the thing about Madara and Obito which I forgot to mention. He doesn't actually know the real Madara and his abilities. All he knows is that he has Susanoo and the EMS. That's about it. And yeah, he does refer to Madara (Obito) as his mentor.