Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26822192-20200512085001/@comment-43776375-20200513132913

LegionZero wrote: Frwt:The only reincarnates to be stupid powerful were Hashirama & Madara, and Naruto & Sasuke. No other ones were notanle in Shinobi history, so the power they gained was not predetermined. We don't know the story before the warring state period, and the manga didn't even care about it, so no way to know how strong the previous reincarnates were

But the power they gained was predetermined cause they were the chosen ones, the manga goes on this multiple times, Sasuke is a genius like Madara, Naruto is a child of profecy and has the will of fire, we had Idk how much parallels of him and Sasuke either being rivals or with a bigger figure with them gaining more power, it's exapected to be like this in a shounen, but Imo it was exageratted too much after the pain arc

Naruto's power pre-6 Paths was because Minato sealed Kurama in him and because he busted his ass. Sasuke's pre-6 Paths power came from his intellect and he lucked out for some upgrades. Yeah and that's fair, the problem is the power itself, they didn't create their best powers they recived it; Sasuke was able to modify the chidori to make blades and he even got to the point were he could control lightning, this is cool, what isn't cool is that Sasuke becomes sad and gets new powers who laugh to the ones he had before; with Naruto is similiar cause him being able to use Kurama's chakra was thanks to Minato and Kushina, but he still fought for it so it's fair there; tho as you also specified this is "pre six paths", so I guess even you see the problem there

Madara and Hashirama were hyped to be stupid powerful since Part 1 of Naruto. The Valley of the End was stated to be a result of Madara and Hashirama's fight Yeah, tho it's actually not, Hiruzen was the god of shinoby and he could deal with Hashirama, Tobirama and Orochimaru, (with Tobirama using water style without water and it being a legit kage level feat); the whole thing with Hashirama and Madara came at near the end of part 1, were Kishi was more decided on what do do with the story (Sasuke and Sakura were characaters suggested by the editor, not people Kishi had in mind in his original story)

But anyway, sure, you can say an epic battle was fought there, but I don't see why would contradict my post, cause I just said I would've preferred if those epic battle of chakra flex weren't the thing the series was going for