Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26998824-20150920161424/@comment-734582-20150927122452

BakumatsuWarrior wrote: And yes, Hiruzen IS overhyped and his hype indeed has been retconned. Hashirama can squash Hiruzen like a bug through both hype and feats. Heck, Onoki and the Third Raikage look infinitely more badass than Hiruzen. How the hell is Hiruzen going to harm the Third Raikage when a senjutsu-enhanced Rasenshuriken couldn't do shit against him? Then answer me this: What is Hiruzen's prime to begin with? what's his most powerful (non-sacrificial) jutsu? We know Onoki and the Third Raikage's strongest jutsu. We don't know Hiruzen's. Until you can satisfactorily answer me those two questions, any talk of retcons and overhype are exaggerations. I don't understand how people are so confident in his supposed overhypedness when we know next to nothing about it. And unless, by the way, you have some hack ability fighting a Biju is pretty damn difficult to begin with. Just consider that it took the Third Raikage and his anbu quite a bit of effort to stop a rampaging Hachibi. Unless you have Wood Release which has the property that it weakens Biju, or the Sharingan to make them your pet, you have to fight these guys with brute force. people keep quoting Hiruzen versus Kurama but we again have very little to go on, especially since most of the fighting with Kurama was done by Minato.

Heck, Onoki and the Third Raikage look infinitely more badass than Hiruzen. Of course they look more badass when they get more fighting screentime, without being a wreck. The only full fight of Hiruzen we saw was as a 70-ish hokage way past his prime, unable to hold two Shadowclones for long. Yet he defeated Orichumaru, a legendary sennin in case you forgot. Everything else are little more than 2-4 frames dedicated to Hiruzen pulling one or two moves. Statistically speaking (in naruto), a person's prime seems to be in their 30's.