Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26107879-20181004003653/@comment-34194151-20181012234216

@loneninja

Yes it's a clear form of intimidation as it was basically fluff and not on topic, and was designed to make users feel that they should not post their opinion on something just because others elsewhere may disagree. As you can clearly see, I voiced my disagreement on the particular topic of the thread with both moderators in an earlier post just to let it be known. rebuttals should actually be directed towards the user's actual argument, not some side story about where they have chosen to disclose their opinion. that's when it's in the realm of strawman and an attempt to discredit a user directly rather than their argument. Your argument basically was, 'oh if you actually believe in that let's see if you still hold on to it if a source of authority on this site disagrees" Let's see how brave you are'. "Walk the walk, edit the wiki with it". The admins literally just stated that this discussion of opinions and interpretations are allowed for the topic, and the thread is moderated, meaning our discussions are being moderated. They clearly tell you that if the goal is to change the wiki, it must be taken to a talk page, but that discussion is still allowed hereon these forums. They also clearly tell you this site has no relation to the wiki outside of the Consensus page. That's great knowledge to have for future reference, and I never set out without some obligatory goal of changing the wiki for this topic, because I feel it's actually pretty clear on this particular subject. in my opinion a naruto fan who reads it and then checks the manga references could easily come to the conclusion that the chidori's primary benefit is the speed it grants to the user. "speed at which the jutsu is performed" can easily mean the speed granted by the jutsu, or the speed of the jutsu. night guy bended space with his running speed once he started running after being at rest. the speed of the night guy was both the level of speed at which the jutsu was performed and the speed of the 8 gates technique and also the speed it granted guy.

You are the one who made it about the wiki in the first place, not me. I showed you the manga panels and where I was coming from with my claim. I gave you my arguments just like I would in any discussion. even if I feel like the wiki should have the explicit words speed boost at some point in time to prevent issues like the one that started this thread, clearly the people in charge disagree. Still doesn't mean their interpretation is right, still doesn't mean that one cannot interpret the wiki as reflecting the clear statements we got in the manga. So you have been debunked in regards to this fallacy you keep bringing up about editing the wiki. Furthermore, I even went on the rasenshuriken talk page or the other time you used this fallacy, and the only answer I got was that the manga was inconsistent when comes to physics. Still doesn't even change the fact that the wiki itself clearly states that the rasenshuriken is fast for crossing that crater in one second, and gives you the reference.

Your opinion on the subject not changing isn't the problem for me, even if I feel you were proven wrong based on the current evidence, it's the strawman. And lol at the hive mind logic. Let me guess, if 100 people said the sky on a normal, clear, and sunnny day is red but one said its blue, does that suddenly mean the 100 other people are right?. I simply gave you the facts and then my intepretation on this public forum where many users can see it. numbers can be a useful indicator for coming to a consensus in many cases, but it isn't some absolute metric either, plus the sample size is often flawed. the naruto fandom as a whole is bigger than this one site, who is to say that many others out there who haven't the time or interest in the great big blue to join this site don't see it the same way I do. we literally had at least 3 other users on here comment with the same argument. hearts and minds are also known to change. that's the whole point of discussions/debates.