Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-9782468-20160223232833/@comment-27660682-20160227224104

Slaphappyjoy wrote: - Your misperceptions are tremendously unrelenting. You've gone so far into a specific way of thinking about this jutsu, that you completely disregard how to properly anaylze the manga. How do you know what Zetsu is seeing here? 

- You don't seem to be correctly adding up things. If Tsukuyomi's damage is done the instant it starts (as you say), then why the hell would Itachi stand there maintaining eye contact after that instant? How stupid would Itachi be for that? He would have ample time to attack his opponent immediately after this so-called instant damage. If you're assuming (which you are) in real time, that Tsukuyomi lasted more than a second, then what reason would Itachi have to stand there wasting his chakra to maintain an illusion, the damage from which is already done?

If he is maintaining eye contact (in real time) for more than an instant, then it's FREAKING OBVIOUS the damage is being done over the duration of the eye contact. I can't even fathom why you're not getting this.

- Also, the time isn't the biggest factor to the damage done--whatever terrifying thing the victim witnesses if the biggest factor. The time distortion is probably the second biggest factor and only functions as a multiplier for the quality of the terror. If Itachi puts you under a 72 hr long Tsukuyomi in which you only see dolphins, rainbows, and puppies playing in a field of lillies on a sunny spring day, then you're probably not going to feel ANY pain at all coming out of Tsukuyomi (unless you hate dolphins, rainbows, and puppies). Get how that works? A) its basic common sense, what else is Zetsu reacting to ? The shuriken on the ground? Give me a break. You think its a coincidence he is reacting in the same instance where sasuke hallucinates getting his eye ripped out, which would reflect pain in the real sasukes body?

B) itachi's tsyukyomi is only instant when he applies massive time dilation. Why ? Because it makes you feel you are being stabbed for 3 days straight, in an INSTANT. You think its a coincidence that in a fight where itachi is holding back, the writer didnt even BOTHER to tell us what the dilation was? If the genjutsu had massive dilation, sasuke would be in a coma in an instant because he, or anyone for that matter, doesnt have ability to withstand 3 days worth of trauma in less than a second.

C) thanks for proving my point, the fact he was maintaining eye contact for more than an instant, means the genjustu wasnt instant. Its that simple. At best, the genjustu had minimal dilation which is consistent with the fact  black zetsu had the time to react twice to the events happening,  and why sasuke had the time to break it. Your argument is flawed to the point where, even when we use Asian Reaper's theory,  you would still be wrong. Why ? Because lets say it was 72 hours that sasuke was supposed to be in there for which correlates to less than a second of time in the real world. By Asian reapers theory, sasuke would have been out in 1/72 second, which we know didnt happen because black zetsu had the time to react to the genjutsu TWICE.  under your logic black zetsu would have reacted twice to two separate events in 1/72 of a second, and I shouldn't need to explain why thats not even remotely possible.

D) the time is the most important factor, because if there wasn't any dilation, itachi wouldn't have had the time to stab kakashi for that long. Kakashi, kurenai, kisame, asuma, ans itachi, would have to stand there for 3 days and 3 nights and idoly watch itachi maintain his genjustu. And obviously, that didnt actually happen.

@Asian no worries