Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36019309-20190114073523/@comment-9782468-20190206031350

BrainBrand wrote: The problem is, as far as it's known, putting the user (Itachi) in time dilation with the opponent, isn't a function of Tsukuyomi. There's no known method through which Itachi put himself under Time Dilation.

Zetsu does know about Tsukuyomi, but as far as recognizing it goes, he can only look at the external signs. He can't see what's actually going on inside. For all we know, Zetsu recognizes Tsukuyomi, by the opponent falling down, breathing heavily, before passing out.

Except Itachi himself, praised Kakashi for his analysis. Kakashi's words have weight due to Itachi and due to the fact he experienced it. What do you mean as far as it's known? Itachi interacted with his victims in Tsukuyomi, showing he's in there with them. So it's a function of the technique for him to actively shape their experience. You your self agreed earlier when I said Itachi was actively shaping their experiences. Backtracking? Look:

BrainBrand said: - I agree that Itachi was controlling Sasuke's senses, but I'm not sure what your getting at or why you said it.

You really think Zetsu would only recognize by the user getting knocked out when that's what Kakashi does with Genjutsu Sharingan? In fact, Itachi and Kisame were surprised Kakashi was even conscious after Tsukuyomi at all. Here's the kicker though:

If that's your argument, how did Zetsu know that Itachi used Izanagi if Sasuke didn't even pass out?

There's absolutely no reason to disbelieve Zetsu, there's no hinting that Zetsu was misinformed. IT just doesn't fit your narrative so you're trying to say Zetsu couldn't recognize it, when Black Zetsu is like the leading authority on everything in the Shinobi world cus he's seen it all.

Itachi praised him for the analysis because like I said, It legitimately didn't matter if they actually could break each other out of Tsukuyomi, it's be over before they could. Only the victim has a shot at breaking out, and only if they're Uchiha. Again, I have no idea where you're figuring that Kakashi meant if Chiyo could break out on her own. There's absolutely no reason for him to believe that; He himself, a genjutsu expert and a SHaringan expert, could not break out. And Itachi said that only Uchiha could break out. Where would Kakashi get the idea that anyone else could break out? BrainBrand said: What Kakashi said is relevant. He implied even if it was possible for Chiyo to break Tsukuyomi, that whatever method she uses, won't work because she won't have time. So even if Chiyo could break out of it on her own, if Tsukuyomi was longer, it wouldn't make a difference, because it's over before she could break it. Look, this was your argument. Where does it look like Kakashi implies that those with the ability to break the Genjutsu on themselves wouldn't have time? He's saying that in the context of their group, even those who could break the Genjutsu wouldn't have time. He's saying the partner method won't work. Kakashi himself couldn't have any clue whether or not it would've been useless if the victim could break out. He's never broken out and he's never seen anyone break out.