Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-2064642-20180217165859/@comment-34720031-20180219073735

LoneNinja wrote: "Uhhh. Prime Hiruzen? Hiruzen is stated to have mastered every type of Shinobi Combat and know every jutsu in Konohagkure (4th Databook and Naruto Chapter 120). Hiruzen at around 70 years old defeated the first Hokage, second Hokage, and Orochimaru (Granted they weren't at full strength but still S Class level at least). It was stated he was greatly weakened compared to his prime in all categories (Strength, Speed, Chakra, etc) and still beat them and wasn't even able to form two Shadow Clones without it being a risk to his health! Even Orochimaru said, if he was just around 60, Orochimaru would of died. 60! That is amazing!

But this isn't even old Hiruzen. This is his prime! He knows how to use even the Hiden techniques! In theory, he can literally go full on giant Akimichi mode and use his giant Shadow to instantly trap all his enemies with Shadow Possession! Even the Flying Raijin is at his disposal since it is apart of Konohagakure's jutsu! The possibilities are literally endless for his prime. He also has immense reserves and is no longer restricted to what he can do. The mere thought of his abilities is kind of frightening, it's no wonder why it was stated he was "God of Shinobi", "the best out of ALL Hokage", and "the strongest Kage of his time" (at 70 with the 4th Raikage, Yagura a perfect Jinchuriki, Gaara's pops with his Gold Dust that beat the Shukaku a few times, and the Onoki the Particle Style user that was able to stop a meteor!). Though he doesn't possess any feats in his prime, the statements alone make him unstoppable. I don't think the Uchiha stand a chance against him alone, let alone Danzo with his Shisui eye and Sharingan covered arm.

Don't get me wrong. I usually hype up the Uchiha cause I'm a firm believer they are one of the most op clans I've seen (Don't even know how the Senju survived against these emos), but in this case, I don't think they can pull it off. Obito is the only one I picture surviving the onslaught with his Kamui. But who knows, Hiruzen might even pull a Minato (minus the Rasengan). I don't know man. In the Databook and Manga, it's said he can use anything, I just can't see anyone stopping this beast.

I also want to state that Hiruzen during the 4th war arc was not his prime. He was reanimated at the level of his death. Only Madara was closest to his Prime. I don't even know if Hashirama was in his prime when reanimated. But Hiruzen was definitely not considering he still had his old withered dying body."

I hate when people underestimate Hiruzen. I've defended Minato in just about every debate he was involved in that i posted in. He is my absolute favorite character. But facts are facts. Don't downplay Hiruzen. Hiruzen has a chance if he's in prime.

Bruh, like I said earlier; “We don’t SEE any great feats from Hiruzen at all at any given point (imo, anyway).” We can brag about theoreticals of what Hiruzen could do in his prime until we’re blue in the face but we haven’t SEEN him do shit.

Now I also want you remember us seeing Hashirama and Tobirama battle for the first time against Hiruzen in Generation 1 compared to what they displayed as Edo Tensei in Generation 2. I don’t remember exactly what percentage of power those reanimations were using but they definitely weren’t displaying anything near what was shown in generation 2. Albeit that their characters might not have been developed because they were just going to make a brief cameo but still. His knowledge wasn’t all that impress at all actually, so like I said, he’s nothing impressive.

And you severely downplayed Danzo, especially since Shisui’s he juts is strongest in the world outside of the Infinite Tskuyoumi. Plus he can use Izanagi. Pay homage where it’s due. I hate when people hugely underestimate a character.