Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36006024-20180926134241/@comment-31099706-20181014065126

Ninja Of War wrote: @Blaze

Wow, I have seen some downplays before, but seriously, when you have to go against the manga to make a point seem right, you are wrong. I wonder what I did that went agains the manga. I was simply replying to a guy that said the statement B himself made false, in the manga.

Bee avoided a point blank Amaterasu. Now, you are saying he didn't and he only was able to do that thanks to Sasuke. Lol, Bee has been shown to make substitutions without Sasuke. Furthermore, Bee killed Sasuke twice before that, with his swords and with lariat. And yes countered Amaterasu at point blank range. A avoided a point blank Amaterasu, B got hit by a point blank Amaterasu. Now, when you are accusibg me of downplaying someone, you can't up-play someone like that. He literally got hit by the Amaterasu, he escape it via substitution, a substitution that Sasuke cut him off for. If he did it himself, then obviously Taka aren't dumb enough to notice something wrong with that.

I don't know how the earlier counters helps with your point but B only countered Sasuke because Taka wasn't aware of any of his powers, the lightning release channeling through the sword, the genjutsu immunity and the substitution trick. If Taka was actually informed about everything about B by Obito, they would have caught him easier enough.

And as I've stated, he didn't counter Amaterasu. Hid away and escaped to learn enka. I don't know what point you are trying to make by saying that didn't happen. You are literally going against the manga, and that is not acceptable. No one would agree with you because it is simply false. Bee didn't lose, he won. Escaping from a battle while your opponents are still alive doesn't give you a victory. B himself stated that Sasuke was the strongest guy he fought, you are the one going against the manga with this. Jugo stated that Sasuke didn't recover from his earlier battle with Itachi, and so figured why Sasuke in his usual pace. Their mission was to capture B, and that alone, Sasuke didn't try to kill him. I only stated to what the manga shown, I don't need anyone to agree with that, it will still and always be like that, whether anyone agree or not. CombatIQmatters wrote: @BlazeRelease

Lol no, Joa20 simply said he didn't know if bee fought him. I proved that during the 3rd shinobi world war Ayy and Bee were strictly a tag team. He certainly fought minato with ayy multiple times, that's what they even showed us in the canon. Only after the third raikage died did killer bee stop fighting alongside ayy, and was trapped in the village under Ay's orders as the newly established raikage. A didn't state the time nor place where he fought Minato more than the first time they saw each other. So, no. Your statement is simply headcanon and doesn't even have any actual evidence for it. And the fact that even if hypothetically, they fought together, B would be a kid, and A would be the one actually battling.

Reread chapter 543. You didn't address the point. You are literally using headcanon now, which is a red flag that concerns me. We clearly saw killer bee state he thought of a way to counter amaterasu in the heat of the moment. Reread the chapter where see killer be remerging from the tentacle under water. Chapter 419. he clearly says so on pg 14. Orochimaru's oral rebirth is considered a substitution technique, and in my opinion he could substitute out of amaterasu as well in the right circumstances. Killer bee escaped amaterasu fair and square. I have no doubts on Orochimaru substitution technique, he has shown to substitute out the burning touch of Naruto's Kurama Chakra and Sasuke with his Jutsu has escaped Amaterasu. But his substitution is different from B's. He leaves his whole body, and the body left doesn't act as a clone, but is just lifeless shedded skin. In this case, B as the Eight Tails was screaming in pain, which shouldn't be logical, in the sense that duplicate should have soon enough returned to normal and shouldn't have acted as an alive one. It just doesn't fit to the logic of substitution jutsus.

And if you read the very chapter you refered to, you obviously avoided the point where Gyuki said that he's close to losing his stamina after summoning him. So, no, if he comes out of the water, he'll be burned by another Amaterasu attack and he wouldn't be in the same lace as he was before, since his stamina is already worked up.

Sorry, but I have no reason to beleieve that gyuki's v1 and v2 chakra cloak can't repel amaterasu. Those chakra cloaks is literally one of the things all the jinchuriki have in common bar the shukaku jinchuriki. no reason to beleieve they don't have the same properties. V2 is countering amaterasu. Bloodlusted bee comes out, sasuke is surprised because they think the bee they are carrying is the real one. uses amaterasu in desperation. amaterasu falls off of v2 bee, sasuke is surprised and experiences mangeyko backlash. bee then lariats his head off. the end. the other taka members aren't even worth discussing. they get low diffed as well.

Sorry, but that isn't how it works. Kurama Chakra is simply different from the rest of the beasts. Kurama himself posses a unique ability that gives it's user a Chakra Mode that enhances it's own users. And let's not forget how Naruto's and Kurama's was mixed by that point. The Mix of a Six paths Chakra and Senjutsu with Kurama chakra is simply not equal to any of the other tailed beasts. Each are different from each other, or from your point, Shukaku should have had it's own Chakra Cloak like the others.

So, as the point I shown about Bee's stamina. Sasuke and Jugo sense about something coming out of the water and they see B coming out, but as B's stamina is already dropped heavily by the Tailed Beat Mode, he isn't coming in his actual speed and Jugo and Sasuke easily dodges Killer B. They deduct that the Bee they are holding is a clone and they decide to lose the mission and actually focus on killing Killer B now. They observe that B used up alot of his Chakra, and so Sasuke decides to either end him with an Amaterasu to the face or cut him down with Chidori Sphere.

lol no, sasuke literally has two healers. jugo is a nice backup healer. he literally healed sasuke's chest. karin is a healer. he has 3 allies, two are healers. I don't buy for a second that the injuries he sustained from itachi suddenly outweigh all of that. Sasuke literally is fighting with 3 allies, and he still got washed. How can anyone honestly say that that version of sasuke is stronger than bee? and lol, I like how taka was dumb enough not to heal sasuke's "injuries" from his fight with itachi before going into a battle with a perfect jinchuriki, smh. So that is their fault, so this excuse doesn't work. as far as I am concerned juugo and karin healed him multiple times in that battle.

The writer, spoke through Jugo's mouth that Sasuke didn't recover from that battle at the end. Showing why Killer B was able to overpower him most of the time. Jugo's statements shows how his injuries weren't enough to overweight the aid of three allies. And to top it all, they weren't aiming to even kill B.

You're overating B, as do many of the other fanbase do, most of them do it on the basis of downplaying Sasuke. You're not taking in the facts that Sasuke wasn't aiming to kill him, didn't know about any of his abilities and didn't recover from the earlier battle with Itachi.

They did heal him, they obviouy did. But Sasuke's not a jinchuriki, he needs time to recover, healing simply doesn't bring you back to your original form.

So that is their fault, so this excuse doesn't work. as far as I am concerned juugo and karin healed him multiple times in that battle. Did statement makes me sigh.

You literally selected the statements that are convenient for you and disregarded all the others and the feats shown. MS sasuke isn't the strongest bee ever fought, it's minato, period. Minato has a much better arsenal suited to taking on bee. ayy+bee couldn't beat minato, while both ayy and bee stomped sasuke solo. sasuke's strongest techniques don't work on bee. Amaterasu? countered by full bijuu subsitution, or v1/v2 cloaks. genjutsu? already countered by gyuki partner method. Killer bee already reacted to sasuke's top speed chidori sword before, the same technique he called unblockable or something, and killer bee literally embarrased him. Killer bee also can outlast that verison of sasuke without any issue because MS backlash sucks. You're using your headcanon again. B never fought Minato more than once, and the only time he fought Minato, he got a good inch close to stabbing him.

Your first statement would have been correct if your headcanon wasn't headcanon.

A would have died alongside Sasuke if Gaara didn't come to intervene. B would have been caught if everything about him was informed to Taka. If Obito wasn't stupid enough to just send them.

And lol no, he used amaterasu because it was his last stand. they tried to retreat, but bee didn't let them. he had no choice but to risk the mission and kill killer bee to have any chance of escaping alive. he only realized he could extinguish the flames afterward. He didn't want to sacrifice karin, so he then he tried to see if he could extinguish the flames. to his convenience, he learned how to do it in the moment. then he realized he could now actually capture bee alive with his newfound ability to extinguish the flames.

Yes, I don't think I said anything different from that. Sasuke saw Taka as his own Team Seven and wanted to protect them. So he awakened his Amaterasu. Which made Gyuki scream out in pain. He then further on saved Karin, by cutting down Gyuki's Tentecle. Even though Bee never knew Sasuke had a jutsu that could cut down a big tentecle like that and escaped. If B himself cut the Tentecle, he would have been figured out and he would have been again chased down, while his stamina on to the drop.

Which brought to how stupid Bee's escape was in the first place.