Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32466165-20170720035525/@comment-5085906-20170721215335

Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: @asian '''tell me when and how (like, pts or not). Just cuz he was protectin his family and going agaisnt obito, doenst mean he was fughting agaisnt kurama as well man. And in one fell swoop, he also, almost got killed by obito... ''' He kinda was? He used a contract seal to release Kurama from Obito's ownership and then dropped a toad on him, used his chakra to teleport him to another location then used his Reaper Death Seal to split Kurama into two entities and seal one part in Naruto and another one in himself. Not to mention his earlier action of teleporting Kurama's tailed beast ball. So, he did combat both Kurama and Obito in the same day. Just not both at the same time.

Also, he was about to be warped away by Obito. Yes, that would pose a problem story-wise, since he would be separated from his village which he was aiming to protect, but that would not necessarily lead to his death. Even if that were to happen, he could easily have used a FTG mark on Obito and just warp to wherever he is in our dimension.

Namikazenaruto9 @crazy u realize that so did pts kabuto and the sound 4, right? And he teleported throuhg a secret barrier. Its kinda different than just bargin in. And he didnt extract kurama. The seal was completely broken, all by itself, cuz minato wasnt there. '''And obito put kurama in a genjutsu. So what? Its not like he used against minato''', so i dont even know why u mentoined it. Leagues above orochi? U base that on what? Ans by power u mean a regular genjutsu? '''And thse ninja move at thw speed of sound. 5 minutes a is lot of tine, from their perspectives.'''

Obito did use Kurama against Minato. Remember the Tailed Beast Ball I mentioned earlier that Minato warped away? Also, yes the genjutsu used to control Kurama is a regular genjutsu, but it does take a lot of power. Part 1 Sasuke can also use Genjutsu: Sharingan, but he wouldn't even have been able to dream of using it to perform such a major action such as controlling Kurama via the Sharingan. The only person hailed to have been able to do that by using his own strength was Madara. Obito did it thanks to Hashirama's cells.

Also, I am not sure if I am supposed to take this literally, but I don't think any of them move at the speed of sound. They're both quite fast, yes, but I doubt they move at the speed of sound.

If we're gonna take Obito's young age as a factor, though, Orochimaru was also easily overwhelmed by Itachi who couldn't have been older than Obito at the time of the Nine Tails attack. I don't think age matters in Naruto as much as people say it does. We haven't seen Obito show any new, groundbreaking feats asides from the one we saw during his attack of Konoha and most of his new feats he performed after he got the Rinnegan. So, it doesn't matter if Obito was 16 or 27.