Talk:Jiraiya

Can we get some definite facts on what happened in the series to determine by concensus how we should treat Jiraiyas death, or unconfirmed death. Till then I think I'll edit it out just in case. It's a real bad fake spoiler if we say he's dead before deciding that. So it'll be a good locked state while we get a decision. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Jan 5, 2008 @ 08:42 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll start placing facts on the table: Jiraiya fell into some sort of body of water that's really deep. He's seriously wounded, and inscribed a message to Tsunade on Papa Frog. We don't know what the message says. Pein says that Jiraiya is dead, but we don't see the perverted sannin's dead body. While falling into the abyss, Jiraiya gives the book he had in mind a name: The Tale of Naruto Uzumaki. I would treat this as a "presumed deceased". --Dubtiger 21:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... ok... ^_^ Presumed deceased, a compromise... Everyone's been either removing notes on death, or adding that he was deceased. Ok, good compromise... Till someone finds some other helpful info we'll use (presumed deceased) as his Part II status. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Jan 6, 2008 @ 03:10 (UTC)

To bring up to date: Both Leafninja and Kishimoto have pretty much states Jiraiya's dead-interview at Jump Festa 2008

Hum.... We see Jiraiya's field of vision slowly fading, Jiraiya coughing up a whole lot of blood, and Jiraiya not caring if he lived or died in his last moments... we see that Jiraiya has become one with God in a sense, planning his next book even though he's bound to die. It's like he plans to watch Naruto live his life in heaven, and feeling happy about that. I don't think Gama-sennin could have survived even if he didn't drown-Ma and Pa Toad were told by Jiraiya that he was going to die anyway, so they abandoned him. No medic-nin would be around to heal Jiraiya, lest they call on the anger of what they describe as an entity. Jiraiya wouldn't have the time to flee to Konoha in that state-he would die before he got to the border. Madara uchiha99 16:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Presumed deceased
Someone noted that Kishimoto confirmed that Jiraiya has died. If someone has this information can they come up with a link or some sort of reference in the page. Unless we have a strong reference stating that he is dead, then we can't change presumed deceased to deceased. This note is there because there are people on both sides saying he's dead, and those saying he's not dead... Because there are two sides the neutral standpoint is taken and we only presume it without stating anything as a fact.

So if you have a reference, please provide it so that we can end this with a ref tag. If you don't then it'll have to stay as presumed to be neutral, and perhaps be protected if edit wars over it continue. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Mar 1, 2008 @ 05:36 (UTC)


 * There was word at Wikipedia that someone had a blog interview of a standing interview that confirmed it. However because it was on a blog which is slightly less credible than Wikipedia itself, it wasn't considered valid.--TheUltimate3 21:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Kage-level
"Despite his perversion, Jiraiya is a Kage-level ninja." Man, this is amazingly wrong. A kage is the strongest ninja in the village. This means if a village only has a genin left as a ninja, he can be a Kage in case no one wins a battle against him.

I think that this should be changed to "strongest ninja on the village"...

Not to mention that if he is presumed deceased, all verbs must be changed to past :S


 * Kage-level is a level. It's even used in the anime to refer to the battle between the Hokage and Orochimaru, and Orochimaru isn't a Kage. The sannin are basically Kage level ninja. But no just because Jiraiya is presumed deceased doesn't change the way the page is written. Readers could be reading from a point of view at any point in the story at all, so we write Abilities, Background, etc... In a present/neutral tense, and Part in the Story which is in-universe, in-event is always written in past-tense no matter what the status of the character is. It's the best way to keep articles valid for all groups of readers. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Mar 29, 2008 @ 23:44 (UTC)