Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34194151-20180107091407/@comment-34194151-20180114181928

Thekillman wrote: CombatIQmatters wrote: And Lol killman, citing kakashi being more focused on his book doesn't help his case at all, it shows stupidity. His focus was easily moved to another stimulus and naruto took advantage of that. No, not really. He'd already seen them grow considerably, and the bell test served little purpose to actually assess their strength. It seemed to me that he just wanted to see for himself directly, and by the time they got to him with the book he seemed happy enough that he didn't care. Besides, why would he? He wanted to work with his pupils, unlike the first time when he was actively avoiding having students.

I'm not sure what you mean by "naruto getting his back the first time". The first time, Kakashi beat him while reading a book.

CombatIQmatters wrote: And you guys are acting like these are the only feats naruto has shown. Just a comment ago, even you killman realized naruto's genius and now you forgot it all of a sudden. Like i said, he showed emotional intelligence, and he definitely showed that he can think like a ninja. But a genius? Not really. Most "genius" stuff here is stuff i would expect from competent ninja. Hidan's jutsu wasn't all that complicated provided you lived long enough to see it. FTG also isn't that complicated (and Minato outright told naruto he can teleport anything his chakra touches), nor were most of the strategies that complicated.

Maybe my standards for genius are higher than most. Like i said Edo Tensei is a genius jutsu. It's not complicated to do, but it was definitely a feat of genius to make. Orochimaru is a genius with how he adapted it for his own needs, modified it for his own immortality. Minato was a genius for his seal, his Rasengan, his complete mastery over speed in every aspect.

Naruto is not stupid, but he often had the advantage of being underestimated. Had Kakuzu not relied on old intel (that naruto was an idiot), he would've reacted much more seriously to Naruto. He didn't because a strategy beyond one move was never really done by Naruto.

Hashirama isn't really a genius, because most of what he did is just use his sheer power. Sure he made the village, but Madara and the Uchiha were not in any position to continue the fight. He spread the biju, but he had the power to subdue them.

Itachi is complicated because most of what he does is simply either ability, or people mistaking intelligence for wisdom. He has the wisdom of a Hokage, ie he put the village above clan and himself and wished to avoid war. He controlled Sasuke via Genjutsu, but that in itself doesn't mean much. Itachi v Sasuke probably wasn't rigged. Indications are Itachi was fighting to the best of his ability. Obito lied to sasuke repeatedly, including that Itachi lied about him. Itachi-wise, Obito is probably the least accurate source of info, just as Itachi was the least accurate regarding "Madara" (interestingly, Obito's account of Madara IS true: Izuna knew his role and accepted it, unlike Itachi's "he stole the eye"). Bruh, Wisdom is the ability to DRAW INSIGHT from INTELLIGENCE. You can't possibly have wisdom without intelligence.

Secondly, yes naruto did. in the first bell test He was smart enough to make many shadow clones under water, and he sneaked one behind kakashi and stole kakashi's back. Kakashi only escaped because he has more experience and a better arsenal, ie the overpowered subsitution jutsu that for some reason isn't used anymore. You can switch places with any object and avoid any attack, yet people only use it when its convienient for the plot. I don't get why sasuke's rinnegan ability is so special, its just a glorified subsitution jutsu that every ninja is supposed to be able to do.

In the second bell test, all i see is you making excuses. The point was to test their abilities, and kakashi was supposed to protect the bells. He went all out using all kinds of ninjutsu against naruto and sakura, and he was pushed very hard. And in the end naruto outsmarted him. He knew that kakashi would be forced to close his eyes because the sharingan can read lips and the story would be spoiled. It has to be admitted that it was a brilliant plan from naruto, and kakashi didn't see it coming, so he was mentally off balanced, and naruto took the win.

Itachi versus sasuke was absolutely rigged, I don't know where you are getting this ficitious theory. Obito wasn't the only source. Danzo, hiruzen, and itachi himself confirmed it... ITachi wasn't even using all of the same tactics we have seen him use in that fight. It was clearly staged, and at the end he could have easily sealed sasuke with the totsuka blade if he wanted to, and instead he just tapped his brother on his forehead, told sasuke a few words, then died smiling. So please, don't come up with this bogus theory well after naruto has already been finished.