User talk:Simant

2 Things

 * 1) Might want to think about another archive. This is starting to get long.
 * 2) Color for the infoboxes. /shrug think they are stable enough to handle it? I dunno they are all grey and it seems kinda boring >.>. Like Green for Konoha, Beige for Suna, Purple for Oto, ect, ect.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 17:40, February 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I would say they people like him would have the color of their most recent affiliation. For example, Orochimaru would be purple, for Sound, while Sasuke would be...well...I think he would be gray for straight missing-nin...All members of Akatsuki would have Red...ect...ect...--TheUltimate3 (talk) 01:56, February 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it would be more logical to use their main affiliation; the village of which they have the symbol in their databook profile. Otogakure for Orochimaru, Konohagakure for Madara and Sasuke, Kirigakure for Suigetsu, etcetera. --ShounenSuki (talk 13:46, February 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * That make sense...But for some reason seeing Sasuke's affiliation be green for Konoha just seems...stupid. For some reason I have less of an issue with Madara's (though I still would like some sort of red or red/black for Akatsuki) being green...--TheUltimate3 (talk) 14:07, February 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Affiliation is really that village that a character is most put into connection with. Sasuke is still thought off as a Konoha-nin, just like Madara is. I wouldn't find it odd at all to see him with a Konoha infobox. --ShounenSuki (talk 18:24, February 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * @Simant Understood. Don't worry about it if it's a problem. I'll figure something out once everything is stable and what not.
 * @ShounenSuki: It's more or less my strong anti-Sasuke sentiment. The fact that I can see the series true villain with the Konoha symbol, but not Sasuke is really because I see him as an asshat. >.>--TheUltimate3 (talk) 18:35, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hokage-Style Sixty-Year-Old Technique
Choose the best picture and put it in the article: File:-Kakuan Entering Society with Bliss-Bringing Hands-.PNG, File:--Kakuan Entering Society with Bliss-Bringing Hands--.PNG, File:---Kakuan Entering Society with Bliss-Bringing Hands---.png--Donatelo (talk) 21:37, August 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Should I be saving these images for any reason? ~SnapperTo 18:12, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Jawb
I just realized it's only been a week since you were called upon to help with constructing an infobox. I promise this sort of oversight will not happen again.

One of the more glaring absences for this wiki, I feel, is an infobox for video games. I believe I have something functional as far as the infobox is concerned (though it occurs to me I forgot about a series parameter). It's a way of inputting playable characters that eludes me. Could you construct some sort of semantic means of listing what games a character is playable in? I think it would be more convenient than listing things as a bullet point in the trivia and provides a convenient solution for what is abuse of the  parameter. Maybe even forms that they are playable in or whether or not the character is only indirectly "playable" (as in support-only). These last two are optional if they are too complicated.

Anyway, when you have time. ~SnapperTo 21:08, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was actually thinking of putting under an Other media header and being done with it as far as display is concerned; the infobox has enough lists. A separate, non-infobox template (a la  ) was similarly as complex as I saw semantic-ing it being. The output would be the same bulleted list that's already in use in the various video games articles, but it would slap everything with a Playable:: too.
 * Completely removing the  would be counterproductive since there are characters that appear in no other media but that are not playable either. This idea is mainly to reinforce that, like movie and OVA, these debut parameters are only for character exclusive to that particular media (which, conceivably, could all be combined into the same parameter).
 * Depending on how ludicrous the suggestions, it's something to consider when you find yourself with free time. ~SnapperTo 03:12, October 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * All of the systems can be see at List of video games. Given the number of options, a checkbox might not be the best route. Also, the form doesn't have a place for release dates. On series, Clash of Ninja and Ninja Taisen are fundamentally the same. ~SnapperTo 03:00, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Does the playable character list need to be in the infobox? Can't it be like where it's under its own heading? ~SnapperTo 02:10, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Browsing by loyalty is only returning characters with more than one loyalty. ~SnapperTo 05:17, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by +#. ~SnapperTo 17:45, October 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * You mean to assist with navigation? If so, might it be simpler to just look for the game with the most recent, prior release? Or, for those games that do not have enough installments to be a "series", just have a  parameter? If neither is practical, then I suppose a checkbox would be necessary. ~SnapperTo 17:56, October 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thinking about it, I really think the second suggestion (a  parameter) would be easier on the collective sanity. In addition to the three or four series that are only a couple installments long, the multi-component series cannot be sorted by just numbers. In the case of Naruto: Clash of Ninja (series), there are two "continuities":
 * Japan: Naruto: Clash of Ninja, Naruto: Clash of Ninja 2, Naruto: Gekitō Ninja Taisen! 3, Naruto: Gekitō Ninja Taisen! 4, Naruto Shippūden: Gekitō Ninja Taisen! EX, Naruto Shippūden: Gekitō Ninja Taisen! EX 2, Naruto Shippūden: Gekitō Ninja Taisen! EX 3, Naruto Shippūden: Gekitō Ninja Taisen! Special
 * US: Naruto: Clash of Ninja, Naruto: Clash of Ninja 2, Naruto: Clash of Ninja Revolution, Naruto: Clash of Ninja Revolution 2, Naruto Shippūden: Clash of Ninja Revolution 3
 * ~SnapperTo 18:05, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Is there a reason that Playable::Fourth Hokage, in addition to not automatically making a link to the article, does not compensate for redirects? Nagato and Madara have no games otherwise, and several other characters are missing a few due to laziness ("Kakashi" instead of "Kakashi Hatake"). ~SnapperTo 18:15, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Survey look
The link is inside Oasis, I'm waiting for when Oasis is made default so we can get some reasonable reader response based on a skin they can actually see. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Oct 11, 2010 @ 03:21 (UTC) 03:21, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re: TimeLine
the time line certainly needs a lot of work, still. It still lacks a lot of references and the more recent events are rather unwieldy at the moment. Unfortunately I kind of lost my drive to maintain the time line, causing others to take over for me in a somewhat less thorough way. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:10, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with that. The main reason I created that page was so it could one day be used as an actual article, any way. —ShounenSuki (talk 14:17, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

The Sandbox: Gotta give credit where credit is due
Is good. Very very good. It could even solve our whole infobox picture thing. I have a feeling I brought this up before...either way, keep up the good work!--TheUltimate3~The User King~ 00:41, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Special:BrowseData
Don't know or haven't seen what you're talking about. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Oct 24, 2010 @ 02:40 (UTC) 02:40, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

One Tailed Shukaku infobox
are you an admin? Also I would like to see the Second Databook or w/e it is that says that the One-Tailed Shukaku is (itself, not by its jinchuriki) affiliated with Sunagakure. 22:54, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

small mistake on Kakashi's page
Under his list of jutsu the string reeling technique is listed as "anime only" when he also uses it in the manga to tie Sasuke to a tree for a lecture just before he defected to the Sound. I'd fix it myself but I don't know how.

Archive tool
Is it still there? Does it still work? Or was it the new skin that broke the archive tool? It was mad useful. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:54, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Re: SMW Cache problems?
You won't be able to get the InspectCache extension installed, at least not for sysop use. On a wiki farm the memcached setup is shared between all the wiki and contains potentially private information, and that extension allows for querying of any key from the cache. So it's possible to get private information from anyone on any wiki on Wikia which is stored in the cache. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 5, 2010 @ 04:53 (UTC) 04:53, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

re
hey i really have a great idea can you make a page here that has a vote who is the best....... fighter, genjutsu user, fastest, smartest etc. and have three answers for every question and at the end of the day say who the winner :D --Randomness9398 (talk) 02:09, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Team Infobox
I see you've added a bit of new code to make allied forces display village icon instead of gender. Not sure if this is a bug, but Sai has both the Konoha symbol and the Root symbol in his team infobox. Something that is happening in all team infoboxes as far as I can see is that if the team leader has an annotation (check Fourth Division and Sound Four), the members with the annotation will not have icons added, be it gender or village/affiliation. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:00, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

RE:Clan
Yea I'm not sure why either. Do you think you could back me up if I bring it up to anyone? This seems kind of like a silly edit war. 04:03, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ranks in the Character Infobox
I'm sure I asked this before, but I will ask again just in case. Could you perhaps add the ANBU and Head Ninja ranks to the rank section of the character infobox?

On a related note, the number of teams in the team section is getting rather unwieldy, so I was thinking it might be a better idea to split it up into genin teams and other teams and organisations. This would also solve the issues I raised here. I think this would be helpful and justified, given the highly important and special status genin teams have in the series. —ShounenSuki (talk 22:22, November 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Why can't you put it in the same drop down as the rest? —ShounenSuki (talk 07:58, November 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think any character other than Kakashi would cause a problem here and with him, I would suggest simply keeping the jōnin rank in the infobox and only mention his former ANBU status in the article. He hasn't held the ANBU rank since way before the series began, so that shouldn't be a problem.
 * Also, I'm afraid I don't understand why you linked me to that history page. I don't see how that answers my previous question. —ShounenSuki (talk 14:17, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * From what I can see, that was caused by a confusion between 'village head' and 'head ninja'. I asked Dantman about this before, and I remember him not being against it, but seeing problems with sorting the ranks and the Kakashi issue. —ShounenSuki (talk 20:08, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it now possible to use ANBU and Head Ninja as ranks in the infobox? I noticed the option is there, but is it fully operational and ready for use already? —ShounenSuki (talk 15:54, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Awesomeness. I wonder why I didn't notice it before then... Snea~ky~. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:29, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Reference in infobox
For some reason, the reference tag is being rendered as text in Madara's infobox, but it's the only infobox doing that. It comes and goes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:16, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Something happened to the Infoboxes
A bunch of links are dead, Chapter and episodes became unlinked, and the entire jutsu field is missing. I think someone did something at some point.--TheUltimate3 ~The User King ~ 14:51, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Something is also wrong with how relatives show up. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:27, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * That someone is wikia. Everything is broken. Trying to do a rebuild to fix it. S im A nt 18:22, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was afraid of that...--TheUltimate3 ~The User King ~ 19:34, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Well they disabled the job queue. So I can't even try to fix anything. S im A nt 21:51, November 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Can you contact them? I fail to see the logic in whatever it is they are doing.--TheUltimate3 ~The User King ~ 21:56, November 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I tried... they are experimenting with performance i think, and they broke something, now they are stopping the train to fix it. And I think most the staff doesn't work on weekends.. S im A nt 21:58, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Lovely.--TheUltimate3 ~The User King ~ 22:01, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, the techniques are back in the infoboxes, but now they also show game techniques. Is there something you can do about it or is it still the central wikis problem? Jacce | Talk | Contributions 16:14, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Tis my workaround, one of the bugs doesn't like the same query twice on a page, and ignores all but the first, so i used a slightly different query using format=count to test if it should be displayed. The medias are not displaying right because I updated the properties, expecting the job queue not to be broken. So... Unless you wanna set all of them manually. S im A nt 19:15, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

Does this have something to do with some annotations not working? For example, a technique used in manga and anime used by a manga and anime character only in the anime is listed without the anime only annotation. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:02, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Image change
Use a different picture for the naruto page.--Rmt0225 (talk) 21:44, November 13, 2010 (UTC) oh ok.--Rmt0225 (talk) 21:54, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Double Redirects
I was cleaning double redirects, but there are two which are sysop-protected. I asked Snapper, but he said you might have left them as double redirects for now, maybe because of an obscure technical reason. Is there any? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:42, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

where is it?
I'm trying to find where the three-tailed beast arc is. could you show me where it is?

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I ask to much. Infobox images
I know you've been working on fixing Wikia's fail, but I have a request for you to do whenever you can. I saw in articles like Shinra Tensei where I believe the infobox is trying to be set up where the two images can be cycled through by clicking the arrow, it just doesn't seem to be working right. If he ever does, could it be incorporated into infoboxes. The recent restart of the Konan Picture War leads me to think this would be the best way to quell it, and any more potential image warring over infoboxes.--TheUltimate3 ~The User King ~ 15:34, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

images
Can't see the images I uploaded. Any solutions?--Ttogafer (talk) 22:30, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

Stats
It would b kool if we could edit the stats

Amaru is listed as a female not a male.You keep putting boy down this is not true click on Amaru's name right next to where I put girl under her picture it will list her as a female not as male meaning she is not a boy.

Thank you, Sasukesgirl3161

Boar masked ANBU
Just regarding the removal of the trivia. I understand what you were getting at noting that if the user didn't make it then who did, but what I meant was that his techniques aren't generated from the ground or from his own body like Sarutobi's earth techniques. These ones literally fall out of the sky. So if I phrase it better would you be alright with me putting it back up? --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 05:23, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

RE. Itachi
Due to his low stamina. Itachi has a 2.5, and in part I when he was relatively healthy, he used his MS three times that day (One Tsukuyomi for Kakashi, one Tsukuyomi for Sasuke, and one Amaterasu to escape from the Toad Mouth Bind) he was unable to maintain his Sharingan at the end. He did the same thing during his final battle with Sasuke, forcing a fourth MS usage with Susanoo, which killed him from chakra exhaustion and the strain on his body.--NaruHina fan (talk) 22:49, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

team 8 has bugs
hey on the team 8 page hinata is not listed as a member i tried to edit but couldn't. i reported it to other admins and they couldest ether so they told me to come see you. the infobox is broke can you fix it? (of course you can)TwinRisingDragons (talk) 22:36, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Problems with my Image
I've tried to edit my image to the Image Policy, but whenever I try to do it, nothing changes. I don't get the reason why. Even after putting the Fair Use Rationale in, it was inserted into the stupid comments on the image's page instead of into the bottom, and when I tried to change the licensing, nothing happened. What's the problem here? Why can't I change those things to conform to the Image Policy? --NaruHina fan (talk) 05:21, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Help
I added a picture of kakashi in his page but i dont know how to make that gray box in which you write something.

Re: Masashi Kishimoto - Assistants
At first I thought what you asked was going to be impossible. Then I discovered Kishimoto-sensei actually included small profiles on his assistants in the volumes (he even numbers them) and that they often draw images for the anniversaries of the series. Here's a list of their names. Later on, I'll translate their profiles and see what other information I can find.

I checked all the volumes up to number fifty-three and found a total of twelve assistants:

Unfortunately, I cannot seem to find the profiles for assistants ten and eleven. They should be somewhere in volumes 28–43, but I seem to keep missing them. Judging by the anniversary images, one is called Also, in volume one, Kishimoto-sensei drew a picture of the staff which included Takahashi, Kajisa, and Ikemoto, but also someone called Yahagi. He might be an assistant that left before Kishimoto-sensei decided to give them profiles. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:58, December 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I figured out who the mysterious Yahagi is, by the way. He is, Kishimoto-sensei's editor. I also discovered the profiles of the two missing assistants and added them to the list above. —ShounenSuki (talk 12:35, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Chakra Strings/Threads/Fūma
Can you sort out the talk pages? Normally, deleting something is required so a talk page move can be done, so edit history can be preserved. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:23, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

Summoning in infobox
I checked this only in Nagato's page, but something similar might be happening in other characters who know the technique. When the creature the character summons appears as an annotation, the link works fine, but the text misses the last letter. In Nagato's page, it shows "Kona, Six Paths of Pai" instead of "Konan, Six Paths of Pain". Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:15, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

List of Volumes
Loads of chapters are missing. In an unrelated note, what's with the "expanding" button for tables and the like? New fancy and useless Wikia feature no one will actually like or use? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:31, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Chakra nature/kekkei genkai form
I'm long overdue to ask this, but is there a reason we haven't added it to chakra nature kekkei genkai yet? It seems ready as far as I can see. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:35, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant for chakra natures which are kekkei genkai, not the basic five. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:03, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I previewed how they'd look like, and the biggest ones (Wood and Crystal) look just under Yamato and Guren's infoboxes in terms of length. The one thing that seemed off but would be too bothersome to fix (I think) is that Hiruko doesn't show under Storm Release because he's a movie character, and those aren't shown when there are anime and manga users. I believe changing that would alter things we don't want to alter in other kekkei genkai pages. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:20, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I made a revision of Wood Release with the kekkei genkai template as it is, and it looked good. Here it is. What do you think? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:30, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll take the adding of the kekkei genkai as it being ready to go. I'll add it to all kekkei genkai pages, chakra nature ones included. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:56, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you put away some name parameter? Viz manga name isn't showing. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:14, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Something also not working with the image parameter, when I preview the edit with the form, there are two image parameters. One just named "image", which works, and one "image name", added by the format, which doesn't work. I see there's no classification parameter for the dōjutsu, but I see that there is a jutsu classification something in the bottom of the article, so I don't think that's really important. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:01, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that the unnamed tag instead of just putting "unnamed" in the parameter is putting "unnamed team". Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:01, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * How complex would it be for the jutsu word in the collapsible part be like the one in character infoboxes, so people can still look for game/movie jutsu? To be a link for the "list of (pagename) techniques" that was a special semantic search? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:13, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

preview
Scuse me? --Aldarinor (talk) 15:07, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Clans
In the clans article, the current coding to split manga and anime clans isn't taking in consideration game only clans, so there are two clans (Shirogame and Tatsushiro) being listed as manga clans. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:27, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Melody Arm Redirect
Can you please redirect the Melody arm into Melody Arm? The one with a capital already exists, so I cannot move the other one. Yatanogarasu 05:45, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * After all, Raiga's Twin Swords and such unnamed weapons use full capitals for their page names. Yatanogarasu 05:45, December 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sound 4/5
ShounenSuki recently added a symbol for the team. Since Kimimaro's infobox shows the name of the team as Sound Five, due to him changing the name, the image doesn't show. Is it ok for us to change it to Sound Four, since that is how the team is predominantly known during the series, so the image will show up? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:39, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * That was a very neat solution. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:48, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

IRC
Why doesn't the wikia have it's own IRC channel? Can I bring up some kind of discuisson for it or Forum? -- 07:30, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Team infobox bug
When a team member is listed in the infobox, if there is no gender selected, it'll create a file red link on the team infobox. See Four Ninja Animal Warriors. In an unrelated note, why do all pages suddenly have the "no manga info until chapter is scanlated" warning? I saw no template edits in recent changes, did Wikia break something again? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:07, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hi
Seeing as how I do not know who else uses some of those computers, and since I was curious about the relevance, I decided to not answer right away. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 02:27, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Sockpuppet
Have you noticed this template? Since you are planing to make a sockpuppet policy. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 06:52, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

fanart
Hello

I like to talk about the pic you used can you change it

I colored it so see for yourself



Use it if you want

Infobox bug
Sasori is appearing in his own infobox as his cousin. I think it's because his parents are listed in the same article. Is it possible to bypass that by using redirects? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:24, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Preferences question
Do you have any idea when the "justify paragraph" option under misc preferences will work again? Ever since the wikia skin became the only skin, having that option checked or unchecked changes nothing for me. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:10, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

International Naruto
why did you delete my article? How can I rewrite it correctly?

well I can write something of when my country is arrived with the pubblishings and the italian actors,aren't you?

I asked you if I can write the publications' numbers of the italian Volumes and the total episodes broadcasted by Italia 1 and/or Hiro

I mean the number of the volumes published by Panini Comics(Italian publishing house) for Naruto and the numer of the episode which Italia 1 (Italian TV channel that televises Naruto) has broadcasted

Naruto in Italy
the release number

Naruto in Italy
Let me write what I wanted to tell you and so you can understand,alright?

Adding Anime Only Tags


I asked there first and was told to ask you because you code the boxes. Is there anyway to go about doing that? I don't really the point in the way this wikia does it. I personally like manually editing things since automation can always go wrong. SeaTerror (talk) 21:41, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Site Notice
I mean something similar to the "don't add new manga info until chapter is available", which until very recently was showing up in all pages, even when I wasn't editing it. I'm still seeing it in the main page, just above the "Welcome to the Narutopedia". Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:47, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Infobox Clan Icons
I just uploaded an icon for the Fūma clan from the manga, but I don't know how to make the icons show in the correct infoboxes. Right now, all Fūma, including those from the anime, have the icon of the manga clan. Could you please help? —ShounenSuki (talk 16:30, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks ^^ —ShounenSuki (talk 19:28, January 14, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe good news?
I'm not sure if this is a good thing, but one of the three listings of Han's steam-based ninjutsu seems to have vanished from his just list concept thing. On a somewhat related note, I don't know if this is due to the SMW not working under 1.16.1 (by the way, we were rolledback to 1.15.5, is this because we use SMW a lot?), but when the Previous Samehada Wielder redirect to Fuikazan's character was deleted, the red link in the Seven Swordsmen infobox didn't go away, despite a new Fuikazan link. When the redirect was restored, the red link went away. Is it possible that doing something similar might help us getting rid of the Kanryuu one in Ame Orphans and the Chou Kaisekin from the jutsu category? The steam based ninjust article will have to be created if Han fights, which will likely occur, so maybe a redirect for the currently deleted article might also work. Did I get up my hopes up a bit for nothing? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:14, January 16, 2011 (UTC)