Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26704954-20160301064038/@comment-27660682-20160306230811

So ? He used his summon to help him do so. Still a feat. We don't discredit jiraiya for taking the help of the frog sages so.... and like I said hiruzen is being down played. He is still a 70 year old as an edo tensi so he is still limited. Orochimaru actually brought back hiruzen as a slightly weaker version of the 70 year old self, yet hiruzen easily matched the shinsenju tobi was using, so not sure where the hate is coming from.