Talk:Tobi

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hey guys, i just notice. in the translation of mangareader,since chapter 590, characters(itachi and orochimaru) started calling him TOBI...well i"m not surprise about orochimaru, since kabuto(and by extension orochimaru) knew that tobi is not madara...but itachi too?is that a wrong translation?or just to show who among the madara are they talking about?--Saeyatachi (talk) 03:07, July 12, 2012 (UTC)Saeyatachi

It appears that they were aware he isn't Madara, but that's just how I see it.--Elveonora (talk) 03:11, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Seeing that Itachi never revoked his previous warnings about the masked man, who he called Madara, just because he's calling him by a different name doesn't necessarily mean he reformulated an identity for him. --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 07:46, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

frankly..i didn't get a thing you just said? :P --Saeyatachi (talk) 07:55, July 12, 2012 (UTC)Saeyatachi

You do remember that he was introduced to them as Tobi yes? And Itachi didn't/doesn't knew that Tobi is the Madara he knew under there (because of his mask and persona change) and I don't remember Itachi ever calling the Tobi he knew in Akatsuki Madara. In fact the two didn't seem to have any contact at all (from what we've been shown).--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 09:06, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea what you mean when you say "Itachi didn't/doesn't knew that Tobi is the Madara he knew under there". Itachi told Sasuke that Madara was still alive, and the real Madara had already been dead for several years or however long at that point. He also said that particular individual created Akatsuki and was a "shell of his former self", which was what Tobi called himself later on as well. Itachi specifically mentioned that he met with Madara right before the Uchiha Massacre, so he was referring to the masked man in every instance when speaking about "Madara". --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 19:53, July 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * The "Madara" Itachi knows and the Tobi Itachi knows. Itachi more than likely did not know that the two were one in the same. People wear masks, it's not a foreign concept in the series. Where's the source to verify the source of your information? Because I don't remember Itachi saying any of that to Sasuke. "Shell of his former self" is simply referring to Madara power-wise and the toll that the battle with Hashirama took on him (I don't know about anyone else but I don't think Tobi is a liar and I believe everything he says is transferrable to the "real"/reincarnated Madara) but Itachi definitely didn't know anything about the reincarnated Madara or that Madara and Tobi weren't one in the same.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 20:11, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

You are over complicating things. Itachi only referred to one man the entire time when speaking to Sasuke, and that man was Madara Uchiha - the leader of the Uchiha clan, the person that fought Hashirama Senju in the Valley of the End, the person that created Akatsuki, the person he met with prior to the Uchiha Clan Massacre, the man responsible for the Nine-tails attack on Konoha, etc. Itachi stated he kept on eye on that masked individual for the rest of his life as he didn't trust him, so there's no way he didn't know that the Akatsuki Tobi was the same person he initially met with long hair just because he changed his mask and cut his hair; you're being absurd.

Now, as far as Itachi knowing about the real Madara being resurrected via Edo Tensei, this is unknown as Itachi was never informed or hinted at his return. --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 22:45, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Itachi sure was aware that "Madara Uchiha" and Tobi are one and the same, if he had known the real Madara that got revived as fake has not been confirmed--Elveonora (talk) 22:52, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think I'm being absurd I think you're the only bridging impossible situations together. Yes someone cuts their hair, changes their mask and personality is an entirely different person than the one Itachi met and spoke with before the Uchiha Incident. Also Itachi never said he kept and eye on the masked one (if so provide a source) because I only know of it being said that Itachi joined Akatsuki to keep an eye on the entire organisation, not just one person.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 22:58, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps if you took the time to read, you'd see that it's even written on Tobi's page. "Tobi complied, training Itachi and providing assistance. However, Itachi never truly trusted Tobi and kept an eye on him for the rest of his life." --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 23:41, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

actually...cerez has a point...it's possible that itachi didn't knew that the tobi(swirl patterned mask) and the tobi(flame patterned mask is the same. or maybe this is a hint that the flame patterned(with long hair) whom itachi approached is different than the short haired tobi...but ofcourse these arestill assumptions--Saeyatachi (talk) 01:45, July 13, 2012 (UTC)Sayatachi

Speculation, unless stated otherwise by Kishi/manga, all Tobi Masks are the same person. Madara doesn't appear as someone that would hide his face--Elveonora (talk) 21:03, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

yeah...Saeyatachi (talk) 06:52, July 15, 2012 (UTC)Saeyatachi

Yes it says that in Tobi's article but you've seemingly forgotten that at one point Tobi and Madara's articles were one when the characters were believed to be a single entity. The part that says "Tobi complied, training Itachi and providing assistance. However, Itachi never truly trusted Tobi and kept an eye on him for the rest of his life." is referring to Tobi under the guise of Uchiha Madara and that last part may possibly need changing. Go back to the fight between the two brothers at Uchiha Hideout Itachi says he was mentored by Madara Uchiha, which is exactly whom he believes him to be. I don't ever remember Itachi calling Tobi Madara in the first place.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 09:05, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Cerez, what do you not understand about Itachi referring to the masked man in all instances when mentioning the name "Madara" to Sasuke? In addition, "Tobi" is not even the masked man's real name...it was just a temporary name given to his fake persona since the legendary leader of the Uchiha clan's name would raise quite a bit of suspicion and attention. --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 06:40, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Yes he does refer to him but the only face he's given to that description? We've only ever seen the flame-patterned mask, nothing else. As for Tobi's name, whether it's real or not has no bearing with me. We've already had a lengthy discussion and until more is revealed about the character, his name won't be changed.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 17:31, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, you're right. Itachi must have been referring to a different masked man that was responsible for the Nine-tails attack on Konoha, founded Akatsuki, and was considered a "pathetic shell of his former self". Tobi coincidentally just labeled himself the same title Itachi gave to Sasuke. --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 06:03, July 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cite reference to where you've ever heard Itachi say that, because once again my memory has failed me. This will be my last bit on this discussion because I don't even remember what the point of the discussion was initially. Itachi was never referring to a different masked man to readers, but nothing in the series so far goes to contradict the fact that he might have not been thinking the same. He may have stopped to wonder how it was that Tobi knew the truth, but nothing has been said contrary.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:13, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Color of Sharinnegan Mask
Initially, I was under the impression that the mask was a light purple based off some colored title pages (one of which is on Tobi's page) and past volume artwork, but with the release of volume 61, the mask is portrayed as completely white on the front cover. Is this an error by Kishimoto or did he decide to alter the color? It seems there's an inconsistency. --Uchiha Suraku (talk) 09:05, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Let's say it's gray.--Elveonora (talk) 15:14, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

It all probably depends on the lighting. It's one colour, but depending on the lighting, it appears as another colour. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:05, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Stealth Abilities.
Shouldn't it be mentionmed under Tobi's and Madara's abilities, that according to Minato only Madara, was able to enter the Leaf village undetected through the barrier, and that only Tobi and Madara can enter through Leaf village barrier undetected?--Iamnofool2 (talk) 20:52, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Space-time migration.--Elveonora (talk) 20:59, July 22, 2012 (UTC)