User talk:Thomas Finlayson

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Image policy
You should read the image policy. Also, could you tell me what chapter this image is from? Simant (talk) 04:33, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * okay, thanks. I updated the information. Simant (talk) 04:38, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Image deletion: Wind Release Wind Cutter manga.JPG
Thomas Finlayson, the image Wind Release Wind Cutter manga.JPG which you uploaded has been deleted. We suggest you look over our image policy before you upload another image to make sure you aren't breaking any part of the policy. Jacce | Talk 06:56, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Image deletion: Unkown Konoha Wind Release.JPG
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Image deletion: Tenzo Hiding in the Rock.JPG
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RE:Hidden in Rock Technique
Read the image policy and I not sure those are the same moves since one's an anime-only technique.--Deva 27 (talk) 22:21, March 2, 2010 (UTC) Then what is it? - Talk - Contributions 5:53, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Summoning
Please, stop adding that Sasuke has more than one summon. He summoned snakes only because he had absorbed Orochimaru, who had a contract with the snakes. Pain still is the only example of multiple animal summons. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:35, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * That does not make sense. Orochimaru was training Sasuke all of his techniques; do you really believe that he would not teach him his signiture technique? I will concede to the ones coming out of his curse mark, but as for the rest I say summoning spell. - Talk - Contributions 5:53, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since Itachi sealed Orochimaru, Sasuke hasn't used a single snake technique. It was assumed that Orochimaru gave him the contract, but as he hasn't used snake techniques since Orochimaru, this was called into question. Other than Pain, everyone else can summon only one species, and Sasuke summonened a hawk, meaning he had to sign a contract with them, something that wouldn't be possible if he already had a contract with another species. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:24, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

First of all, do we have positive proof (databook, manga, etc.) where it Says only one summoning? - Talk - Contributions 6:31, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think there is, but I'm not 100% sure. You'd have to ask someone with access to them. But even if there isn't, there was never confirmation that Sasuke signed a contract with the snakes to begin with. He only used snake techniques after absorbing Orochimaru, and stopped using it after Orochimaru was sealed. It's only logical to think that was the source of his snakes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:36, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

I will grant you that the timing of Sasuke's using snakes is suggestive, but pre-absorbtion his chidori was sufficient so he may not have felt the need. As for after Itachi took Orochimaru out we have to consider his pride; he wanted to use the techniques of his Uchiha heritage over that of Orochimaru, especially after he had declared he was no longer a snake. Plus, it is also logical to assume that Orochimaru would have taught Sasuke how to summon. In other words, a deadlock. Any suggestion? - Talk - Contributions 6:47, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Naruto still seems to be the only member of Team Seven to have learned the Summoning technique from a Sannin. Naruto learned from Jiraiya, it seemed that Sasuke had learned from Orochimaru, though considering what is known, the least speculative statement is that he didn't learn it, and Sakura, even during her training with Tsunade, didn't learn the Summoning technique. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:37, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

In other words, hair splitting. Okay, new track. When Jiraiya was fighting the Animal Pain, why was he unsurprised to see someone using multiple summons? In two different translations he simply takes it in steed. Granted he could have assumed that it was the power of the Rinnegan, but if Nagato really was the only person to be capable of it, would he not show more surprise? - Talk - Contributions 3:57, April 10, 2010 (UTC) One curious detail to add that I just noticed: Jiraiya summoned Gamaken in a manner similiar to Nagato (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/374/15/), which gives Jiraiya even less reason to believe that it may be a bloodline technique. - Talk - Contributions 3:57, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Like you said, he could have thought it was a power that came along with the Rinnegan. It's one of those all-but-blantanly stated things. Saying people can have only one summon has always worked, and the recent event with Sasuke can still be explained through the Orochimaru absorption. It's still consistent. What do you mean, the clapping of hands? Many techniques use clapping of hands as final seals. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:07, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

No blood was used, just like Pain. The significance being that Pain's ability is already a little less unique and that Jiraiya may have just assumed Nagato's technique to merely be an advanced, though still normal, form of summoning. In the entire series there has been no shock at someone violating a fundamental law of summoning. As for consistancy, not many people use animal summons, and when they do the summons tend to be powerful or diverse enough that they do not need to rely upon any other animals.- Talk - Contributions 4:11, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sasuke's summoning of Snakes is through his absorption of Orochimaru. Nagato's summoning of multiple animals can be explained very easily. He has not contract is is only summoning dead bodies in the same way he summons people, dead or alive after seeing him summon Konan. The manga has shown it's indeed possible to summon people as shown during teh Chunin exams.  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 23:25, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

As I said above, it would be logical for Orochimaru to have taught Sasuke how to summon snakes; it is the basis for most of his abilities, and he was teaching a lot to Sasuke as well. - Talk - Contributions 4:29, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's no actual proof of that.--Deva 27 (talk) 23:32, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

If you were Orochimaru, what would you teach Sasuke. If you were Sasuke, especially after seeing Orochimaru's summoning ability in the Forest of Death and Naruto's summoning of Gambunta, what is one of the abilities you would want to learn over a 2.5 year period? - Talk - Contributions 5:17, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter what we think it's about what has been shown to use. We can't assume anything because then it's not longer fact, but fiction.  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 00:18, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

That a person can only summon one type of animal is also an assumption, we have had no proof of the matter. - Talk - Contributions 5:24, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

hmm, seem sascuke used his eyes to control Manda and he could have got the snakes from getting orimachi blood into him which may allow him to summon two beast. Though he hasent used the snakes in a wile it could be that once Manda dead there all dead.