User talk:Thomas Finlayson

Hello Thomas Finlayson, greetings and welcome to the Narutopedia! Thanks for your edit to the Earth Release: Dropping Lid page.

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Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Snapper2 (Talk) 00:19, January 26, 2010

Image policy
You should read the image policy. Also, could you tell me what chapter this image is from? Simant (talk) 04:33, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * okay, thanks. I updated the information. Simant (talk) 04:38, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Image deletion: Wind Release Wind Cutter manga.JPG
Thomas Finlayson, the image Wind Release Wind Cutter manga.JPG which you uploaded has been deleted. We suggest you look over our image policy before you upload another image to make sure you aren't breaking any part of the policy. Jacce | Talk 06:56, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Image deletion: Unkown Konoha Wind Release.JPG
Thomas Finlayson, the image Unkown Konoha Wind Release.JPG which you uploaded has been deleted. We suggest you look over our image policy before you upload another image to make sure you aren't breaking any part of the policy. Jacce | Talk 06:56, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

Image deletion: Tenzo Hiding in the Rock.JPG
Thomas Finlayson, the image Tenzo Hiding in the Rock.JPG which you uploaded has been deleted. We suggest you look over our image policy before you upload another image to make sure you aren't breaking any part of the policy. Jacce | Talk 06:56, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

RE:Hidden in Rock Technique
Read the image policy and I not sure those are the same moves since one's an anime-only technique.--Deva 27 (talk) 22:21, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Then what is it? - Talk - Contributions 5:53, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Summoning
Please, stop adding that Sasuke has more than one summon. He summoned snakes only because he had absorbed Orochimaru, who had a contract with the snakes. Pain still is the only example of multiple animal summons. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:35, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * That does not make sense. Orochimaru was training Sasuke all of his techniques; do you really believe that he would not teach him his signiture technique? I will concede to the ones coming out of his curse mark, but as for the rest I say summoning spell. - Talk - Contributions 5:53, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since Itachi sealed Orochimaru, Sasuke hasn't used a single snake technique. It was assumed that Orochimaru gave him the contract, but as he hasn't used snake techniques since Orochimaru, this was called into question. Other than Pain, everyone else can summon only one species, and Sasuke summonened a hawk, meaning he had to sign a contract with them, something that wouldn't be possible if he already had a contract with another species. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:24, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

First of all, do we have positive proof (databook, manga, etc.) where it Says only one summoning? - Talk - Contributions 6:31, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think there is, but I'm not 100% sure. You'd have to ask someone with access to them. But even if there isn't, there was never confirmation that Sasuke signed a contract with the snakes to begin with. He only used snake techniques after absorbing Orochimaru, and stopped using it after Orochimaru was sealed. It's only logical to think that was the source of his snakes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:36, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

I will grant you that the timing of Sasuke's using snakes is suggestive, but pre-absorbtion his chidori was sufficient so he may not have felt the need. As for after Itachi took Orochimaru out we have to consider his pride; he wanted to use the techniques of his Uchiha heritage over that of Orochimaru, especially after he had declared he was no longer a snake. Plus, it is also logical to assume that Orochimaru would have taught Sasuke how to summon. In other words, a deadlock. Any suggestion? - Talk - Contributions 6:47, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Naruto still seems to be the only member of Team Seven to have learned the Summoning technique from a Sannin. Naruto learned from Jiraiya, it seemed that Sasuke had learned from Orochimaru, though considering what is known, the least speculative statement is that he didn't learn it, and Sakura, even during her training with Tsunade, didn't learn the Summoning technique. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:37, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

In other words, hair splitting. Okay, new track. When Jiraiya was fighting the Animal Pain, why was he unsurprised to see someone using multiple summons? In two different translations he simply takes it in steed. Granted he could have assumed that it was the power of the Rinnegan, but if Nagato really was the only person to be capable of it, would he not show more surprise? - Talk - Contributions 3:57, April 10, 2010 (UTC) One curious detail to add that I just noticed: Jiraiya summoned Gamaken in a manner similiar to Nagato (http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/374/15/), which gives Jiraiya even less reason to believe that it may be a bloodline technique. - Talk - Contributions 3:57, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Like you said, he could have thought it was a power that came along with the Rinnegan. It's one of those all-but-blantanly stated things. Saying people can have only one summon has always worked, and the recent event with Sasuke can still be explained through the Orochimaru absorption. It's still consistent. What do you mean, the clapping of hands? Many techniques use clapping of hands as final seals. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:07, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

No blood was used, just like Pain. The significance being that Pain's ability is already a little less unique and that Jiraiya may have just assumed Nagato's technique to merely be an advanced, though still normal, form of summoning. In the entire series there has been no shock at someone violating a fundamental law of summoning. As for consistancy, not many people use animal summons, and when they do the summons tend to be powerful or diverse enough that they do not need to rely upon any other animals.- Talk - Contributions 4:11, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sasuke's summoning of Snakes is through his absorption of Orochimaru. Nagato's summoning of multiple animals can be explained very easily. He has not contract is is only summoning dead bodies in the same way he summons people, dead or alive after seeing him summon Konan. The manga has shown it's indeed possible to summon people as shown during teh Chunin exams.  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 23:25, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

As I said above, it would be logical for Orochimaru to have taught Sasuke how to summon snakes; it is the basis for most of his abilities, and he was teaching a lot to Sasuke as well. - Talk - Contributions 4:29, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's no actual proof of that.--Deva 27 (talk) 23:32, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

If you were Orochimaru, what would you teach Sasuke. If you were Sasuke, especially after seeing Orochimaru's summoning ability in the Forest of Death and Naruto's summoning of Gambunta, what is one of the abilities you would want to learn over a 2.5 year period? - Talk - Contributions 5:17, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter what we think it's about what has been shown to use. We can't assume anything because then it's not longer fact, but fiction.  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 00:18, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

That a person can only summon one type of animal is also an assumption, we have had no proof of the matter. - Talk - Contributions 5:24, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

hmm, seem sascuke used his eyes to control Manda and he could have got the snakes from getting orimachi blood into him which may allow him to summon two beast. Though he hasent used the snakes in a wile it could be that once Manda dead there all dead.

Re: Dirt
What was the floor made of? Why couldn't that be turned into earth? - S im A nt 20:17, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Looks like rock to me.- Talk - Contributions 1:23, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess rock is not a earth type substance to you... - S im A nt 20:26, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

LOL. No, my point is earth jutsu has been shown to involve both rock and/or dirt and I thought it should be clarified. Is that clear enough?- Talk - Contributions 1:51, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Talk page
Try using it to solve problems. - S im A nt 03:28, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

LOL I do not know how to start a new one for a jutsu! :-D. Plus there is no guarantee anyone will pay any attention.- Talk - Contributions 8:32, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's related to you not knowing how to use the talkpage, and revert warring. - S im A nt 00:40, May 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) I never saw you guys trying it for the Golem. 2) By completely cutting me off it looks more like you are trying to impose your views and denying anyone else the ability. Unfortunately I now have no choice on this matter so I may as well go along. The question of course is whether or not you or anyone else will respond. --Thomas Finlayson (talk) 6:49, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Minor question by the way, why is it that you can do this, keep someone from editing something that they think is necessary, when you may be wrong about it? Kinda ruins the whole point of this site if someone can just forbid everyone else from contributing; especially if they did not try talk page either. Just curious.
 * Locking a page and reverting it to the state that it was before the dispute has been the practice here for awhile, if the page is being constantly reverted. It is a means to encourage people to use the talk page. - S im A nt 03:06, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * And how is it decided when it should be unlocked? --Thomas Finlayson (talk) 8:39, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Talkpage
Towards the top right, there is a tab that says discussion click that and start the talk page. - S im A nt 04:23, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Um... none of those have been blocked recently. - S im A nt 20:19, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I mean none of them has protection higher than autoconfirmed user on them, which you should be able to edit by now. - S im A nt 20:23, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * You already edited A, and someone seems to have removed most of your edit. - S im A nt 20:25, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then you were probably not logged in when you tried. - S im A nt 20:31, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Blocks
When a page is targeted for excessive vandalism, I lock/protect them so only confirmed users can edit it for a while. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 06:33, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

For now I use one month protection. If that doesn't help, I will make it longer until I reach "eternity". I'm not completely sure on how becomming a confirmed user, but here is what I think is needed. The first is that the user allows the wiki to send a confirmation letter to the users e-mail. The user needs to press the link in the mail, thus confirming it. The address can later be removed, so people can't send e-mails to the user. Then the user must have made at least 100 edits or edit pages for ten days. The last part is however more speculating then the first part. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 19:46, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

If you mean adding the technique to Danzo's userbox, the userbox will do it by itself. It usually takes 24 hours. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 06:42, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then you should talk to User:Simant. He made the system. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 06:50, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, he made the self updating infobox system. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 06:53, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Killer Bee Kenjutsu
Yup, I'm the one who removed it. While it makes sense and all, it doesn't come from the manga itself, it wasn't said in any source, be it manga, anime, game, movie, databook or artbook. If you still wish to have that information on the page, I suggest putting that forward in the talk page, making all the proper explanations, all nice and neat. Convince people of that information's accuracy and validity. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:39, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Grand Fireball
If the Databook says a specific range, its not for us to decide.--Deva 27 (talk) 00:07, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Databook's short range is for technique which act from 0 to 5 meters. That distance doesn't seem to be over 5 meters to me. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:12, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems to be pushing it for me, but not close enough to argue over. Fair enough, I was unaware that 0-5m was for short-range. Could you post all of the ranges on the web for those of us who do not have databooks for future reference? --Thomas Finlayson (talk) 5:15, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Medium range is from 5 to 10 meters, long range is 10+. I don't have a scan, but ShounenSuki's translations are very reliable, as you know. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:28, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Never saw this before!! Thanks!!! --Thomas Finlayson (talk) 6:30, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * It does seem to affect further than 10+, but it might be explained by the range being where the technique can be initiated. Anyway, if there's info comes from the databooks, it's not up to us to question it, otherwise the text of Iron Sand World Order would have been changed a long time ago, see its talk page. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:30, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * My advice is to go to the talk page and argument your way through it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:38, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Talkpage
Yah... uh the talkpages are for resolving article problems/improvements. You can't expect all talkpage discussions to be solved instantly, you need to be patient so that editors can read comments and choose to respond if they want to. Also, you should probably read the talkpage policy. - S im A nt 10:20, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Never said you were violating it. Just going a lil off-topic of improvements, sorry to say I really don't see why something like that needs to be discussed. - S im A nt 17:56, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Lightning Release Armour Consequences
That doesn't mean that there are consequences for using the jutsu and its speculation saying they that are concerned.--Deva 27 (talk) 02:44, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe they are scared for their own safety? - S im A nt 03:15, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * My point was, if you don't have 100% evidence it's not gonna go in the page. - S im A nt 03:31, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you see something that is there without any evidence feel free to remove it. - S im A nt 03:38, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do not go for the "most likely" that is not the goal. - S im A nt 03:44, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Do not use the Wiki as a soapbox
It's bad form, it's annoying to people, and does little to get your point across. In more free words, it makes you look like an ass and quickly causes people to dismiss whatever it is you have to say. You said you want a discussion, then we will discuss if in the talk pages. But do not go about mass editing articles as a means to start a discussion. That will only lead to bad things.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 03:14, May 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * My apologize. I have more to do with my time than spend hours here. There is a lot of things I miss. That being said, the article was deleted because it already existed. If that was to be debated and what not, it should have remained on the talk page. If nobody brings it up, bump it up for the Recent Changes thing, but do not go out creating and changing a bunch of things as a way to force a discussion.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 03:21, May 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Any edits made anywhere will show up on Recent Changes. It's basically how most users (I believe) follow the recently edited aritlces on the wiki. Very very simple.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 03:26, May 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Look at the search field in the left side of the page. There are a couple menus, and just below the Animanfa Hub, there are some links. The first one is the Recent changes one. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:50, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Nano-Sized Bugs Technique
It was decided that it wasn't a jutsu.--Deva 27 (talk) 18:27, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Jiraiya and Summoning
Starting the exact same discussion in two pages isn't a good idea because it keeps the discussion split. I suggest that instead of creating it in both talks, make it in the most relevant talk, and leave a link to that one in the other talk. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:10, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

hey!
Hi Look, maybe you should stop arguing with admins(about mutations or whatsoever) Theirs is the last. If they want they will delete that page and lock it or can block you. Ttogafer (talk) 21:31, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Come now, Ttogafer. You make me sound evil as the Sith. If Finlayson was ban worthy, he'd be gone a long time ago. There is nothing wrong with most of edits. The mutation thing however...--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:38, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sometimes you guys do come down a tad strong, though I admit the fact that you have not banned me does indicate you are fair. The thing is though you guys do seem a tad...locked into the databooks, believing if it is not listed it does not exist. I feel that since I do not have one I raise more questions and try to organize stuff more since there is more I am unaware of. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 21:41, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * As is the fate of things when there are official sources of information. Basically, because they come from Kishimoto himself, whatever's in the databook is law. If it's not in the databook, we have to go about it within reason in respect to the series. For example Nine-Tailed Fox Menacing Ball is not in the databooks, but we sure as hell saw it in the manga. That is an example of something presented within reason.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:55, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Re:thanks
Yeah thats true. You should have your vote. Just watch your say, don't be to loud. Ttogafer (talk) 06:47, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Re: @ Ultimate's page
Dude, I just read that entire discussion today, so I know i didn't miss anything, and it was more u ignorin the other editors..That whole discussion was You vs. The Rest of the Community. TheUltimate3, Deva 27, Simant, ShounenSuki, Saimaroimaru, were all for deletion, with u the only one against..Thought i'd point that out before u go on about conspiracy theories. ..World Cup '10 EEENNNNNGGLLLLAAAANNNNDDDD (AlienGamer &#8285; Talk) 03:36, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Interesting
I didn't ignore anything. I never do. In fact (more information than you need to know) the fact that I don't ignore things is a major problem I have. I answered you. You responded. It went on until it became clear the discussion was basically going in a large circle where it was clear no one would back down, which is why I went to an unbiased person (Snapper) to make the final decision when he sees fit.
 * And no, I can't "make your life difficult on the site". But I can block you. It is not something I do when there is no reason. Until now, you've done nothing wrong, but changing the reasons on the delete tag in some halfassed "Oh look, I lost so let me be bitter about it" is one of those reasons.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 03:38, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

No Seriously
You and your fanfiction shit can go to hell. I saw your edits, it sad a good user like you have become a moron.Go to hell.Saimaroimaru (talk) 00:42, June 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Enough. Both of you.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 10:46, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Block
Let's see what happens. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 05:07, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Databook vs Manga
That's what the Narutopedia Forum is for. Make it there.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 02:23, June 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Forum. There should be a link at the "Community" thing at the side of you screen.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 02:26, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Talkpages
Could you stop leaving go here messages on talkpages? It's really annoying... - S im A nt 02:09, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant the "double redirects" on talkpages, telling me to follow the other redirects. - S im A nt 02:27, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * No i mean on summing shuriken you linked to jiraiya then that redirected me again. - S im A nt 05:30, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Images
The same way put messages in articles.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 01:12, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please read the image policy before adding anymore images to the wikia. - S im A nt 06:27, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * You didn't add rationale or licensing. - S im A nt 07:14, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Earth Mausoleum Dumpling
I haven't translated that article yet, but I'll get right on it ^^ I should have it done within 24 hours of writing this message. --ShounenSuki (talk 12:13, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Here you go ^^
 * Ninjutsu, B-rank, Offensive, Short to mid-range (0–10 m)
 * User: Jirōbō
 * User: Jirōbō


 * A lump of ground like the Earth, created with herculean strength!!


 * With chakra work and superhuman strength, he lifts up the very surface of the Earth and throws it! The lump of earth he is holding is gigantic enough to make Naruto go "that's ridiculous!!" in surprise! Of course, the destructive power is obvious, but even just the visual impact can be enough to make enemies lose their fighting spirits and run away, really making this a very exiting technique!!


 * →↓With the mass of earth Jirōbō lifted, he covers the entire area in shadow!!
 * [pictures of Jirōbō slamming his hand on the ground and lifting up a gigantic clump of earth]


 * --ShounenSuki (talk 23:38, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Image deletion: Summoning Kunai Knife.PNG
Thomas Finlayson, the image Summoning Kunai Knife.PNG which you uploaded has been deleted. We suggest you look over our image policy before you upload another image to make sure you aren't breaking any part of the policy. ShounenSuki (talk 23:38, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Recent changes
On the column to your left, near where there is the upload image button, there is a recent changes button. It shows logs of pretty much everything done in the wiki. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:38, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * They usually refer to the change made, they were most likely about the bits of information removed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:50, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Deleted
Sorry. I assumed they had served whatever purpose they were meant to. I've restored them. ~SnapperTo 18:22, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Unnamed
If you mean a list with all of the jutsu's details given (a la List of Ninja Tools), then I'd rather see most of the jutsu folded into their associated character's article.

If you mean just a list of article names, see:

~SnapperTo 19:09, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * The majority of the unnamed manga jutsu debuted after the databook (403+), so there is a good chance they will be named at some point. Many of the leftovers do not fit the definition of "jutsu", instead being tactics or a component of some other ability. ~SnapperTo 22:57, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Summoning
As I said in that discussion before I stopped following it, you have no evidence that the Hokage are actually doing anything unusual. Neither Hiruzen nor the reader can see what they are doing for the chapter preceding that. For all you know, Orochimaru gave Hashirama some kunai. I cede that Sakon and Fukasaku do something, but for this example you can come up with a number of non-summoning related explanations. ~SnapperTo 01:07, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * If he's willing to put kunai in their skulls, why wouldn't he be willing to give them kunai to ideally put in someone else's skull?
 * Maybe they are earthen kunai?
 * Maybe Tobirama did something like the Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique?
 * Maybe there is a kunai stored under each armor segment?
 * Maybe Hashirama is able to look daggers at someone?
 * Maybe the armor has some elaborate defense mechanism that causes it to eject kunai when the wearer is grabbed?
 * Maybe. ~SnapperTo 04:34, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I answered your question with potential explanations that do not involve summoning. If you find them any more improbable than summoning, you're way too picky. ~SnapperTo 05:37, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's not how the judicial system works; it is not my responsibility to prove I didn't kill my next door neighbor. You are the one who wants to believe all peculiarities in a weekly, fictional series have a valid, in-universe explanation. So, you need to prove it is a summoning and not one of the above explanations or (far more likely) artistic license. ~SnapperTo 06:03, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I find that interesting. You do not want to believe how the kunai are used is artistic license, yet you admit that the choice to use kunai in the first place is unusual. I submit to you that there is no reasonable explanation for how the kunai entered the equation, summoning or not, and that they were used solely because Hashirama needed to perform some sort of counter that would not be damaging enough to destroy a shadow clone. In other words: artistic license.
 * Further, the shadow clone is not struck by kunai until after it grabs Hashirama. I argue that Hashirama lacks the proper trajectory, armspan, or even time to throw so many kunai in rapid succession. Pretending this is not artistic license, to be a summoning would require that items can be sealed mid-flight in order to be used as projectiles upon release. This has never been displayed outside of video games.
 * That you would like to overlook all signs of artistic license is fine. You should remember that not everyone shares your interest and that, at some point, arguing in its favor is no longer beneficial to the wiki. The wiki should stick to facts, not what seems the most plausible choice in a long list of unlikely explanations. ~SnapperTo 06:58, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * There is no compromise. You cannot definitively prove that it is a summoning or any sort of jutsu, and clearly nobody can convince you to the contrary.
 * As to your last point, I do not understand the relationship between summoning and "unavoidable". ~SnapperTo 18:01, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * The whole thing, really.
 * Though, to be honest, I don't care that much. It's because of these sorts of entirely pointless arguments that I stopped frequenting forums. ~SnapperTo 18:25, August 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I want to stop an endless loop of conjecture. If that is all this conversation is going to be, then I suppose I would like to end it. ~SnapperTo 20:54, August 26, 2010 (UTC)