Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36394790-20180824122210/@comment-31099706-20180828105124

"Where the heck did 'only BSM Naruto was equal to EMS Sasuke' come from? That's petty Sasuke dick riding. Naruto went on even footing against 6PoP, which would dismantle the five Kage without blinking, in his 5 minutes of having Perfect Sage Mode. Naruto was a pretty solid Ninja in base form (Destruction of Konoha) to a god in Sage Mode. People saying that EMS Sasuke beats Naruto in just Sage Mode are hard riding him." Italic text One thing is, Naruto isn't DBZ, and so doesn't work on it's logic with A beating C, so B has to be stronger than C. and the second thing is, SM Naruto alone never defeated pain, Pain fought the whole village, destroyed it and them fought Naruto and a bunch of Toad summons and Toad Sages, and the surviving Leaf Ninjas(with all the info they have about him), without the intent of killing him to capture the Nine Tails, it all depended under Naruto's tricks that gave him some advantage in the battle, and even in the end, he needed to be in rampage with the six tails to survive. So saying that SM Naruto defeated or that he was in equal footing Pain, is by how you call it 'hard dick riding Naruto', no offense.

And as I've said, Naruto needed the Biju to counter againt Sasuke's Genjutsu and Amaterasu.

Vladosaurus wrote: The raikage dodged amaterasu with just speed, without any sensory capability.The raikage if faster than amaterasu and Naruto dodged the third raikage at full speed.Forth raikage wasn't using his full speed like the third did.You do the match. Naruto will be just fine against it. Sigh, it was a reaction feat by SM Naruto, not a speed feat. And the third Raikage was never said to be close to the speed of A, as far as we know, he's just fast. Even the Bubble Gum guy(I don't remember his name) reacted to his speed and saved Naruto and tricked the Raikage while he was running.

Plus, Sasuke's EMS most likely projects Amaterasu even faster, and shape controlling it will make it difficult to dodge.

Vladosaurus wrote: Genjutsu-wise, he broke off Itachi's genjutsu, and Sasuke's genjutsu is no where near as rafined as Itachi's. And that was Naruto in base. SM amps every field of prowess, and this probably includes genjutsu as well. Not to mention that Naruto knows that he shouldn't look in a sharingan eye, and with SM he can fight without visual contact.It is also debatable but SM users might be able to sense genjutsu coming.MAYBE. As someone above stated, Chiyo and Sakura broke it off. Sasuke broke through each of Itachi's genjutsu, it was Itachi's Tsukuyomi that cannot be matched by any other genjutsu.

And everyone knows that they shouldn't look in the eyes of a Sharingan user, but they still get caught in it. Naruto can sense his surroundings without his eyes, but I doubt his fighting style would be the same. Madara was able to fight blindly with SM, because he was already a skilled and experienced fighter, he even kicked off Sai and Naruto before gaining SM without his eyes. I don't see the current SM Naruto doing the same.

Vladosaurus wrote: Again, Naruto's downside is his inability to keep SM. He could make shadow clones regulary, dispatch them to amass NY and release them to refill him SM. If he can pull something like this off, i can see him winning. Without something like this, he simply isn't outlasting Sasuke, and if Sasuke catches him in base for too long, it's over. And as i said, it's debatable if he has the fire power to take down Sasuke's mobile humaniod Susanoo. Big ball rasensuriken MIGHT do the trick, but it's debatable. EMS Sasuke can keep up his susanoo, but MS can't, a little like Naruto's SM. And judging by Madara's EMS Susanoo, it takes Tsunade's monster strength to break through it.