Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-5936871-20160126112547/@comment-5936871-20160128101921

MlGshinobi wrote: Like I said, absolutely 0 evidence the rinnegan is immune to visual genjustu. Sasukes rinnegan blocking the infinite tsyukyomi was a plot device, sasuke and naruto needed to survive for the plot to coninute. Even then, the infinite tsyukyomi isnt a visual genjutsu its a dojustu that casts the genjustu on anything the light touches, it doesnt require eye contact. So get the facts straight.

Like I said the yata mirror defends against any attack. The fact it was shown changing its size means there arent known limits to what it can do. Itachi is a genjutsu specialist and nagato doesnt use genjustu so its irrelevant. How is nagato getting comfortable on summons when he needs to worry about the totuska blade?

And lmao Itachi can beat chibaku tensi by himself. Obviously naruto and bee were gonna help if they could what did you expect? The main character to stand there and do nothing? Use common sense. Itachi if necessary could destroy it with just one or 2 yaskaka matagama. Itachis intelligence is very releveant as it means he will outsmart nagato and seal him with totuska. Kakashi didnt use genjstu on pain because jiraya already proved you have to capture all the pains at the same time because nagato is remotely controlling them. Same thing with edo nagato. Kabuto was controlling him remotely so pointless to put nagato under genjustu It doesn't matter if it's a plot device, cause then you can use that argument for several things for several characters in the series. It's the fact that it happened and the reason it happened was because of the Rinnegan. Also yes it is a visual genjutsu because it is casted by the eyes, and it's main effect is putting everyone asleep and causing them to have an infinite dream that they see with their eyes. Essentially, it puts them into an endless hallucination.

Once again, the Yata Mirror is featless and only defended itself from Kirin and some giant snake heads. Are you saying this nigh-irrelevant and vague mirror is more powerful than the Ten-Tails' Jinchurikis and Kaguya herself in terms of defense? Itachi needs to stab and impale the summons in order to seal them, he cannot combat a dozen giant powerful summons all at once with just the totsuka blade which from what we've seen isn't that large or long at all. Itachi would have trouble dealing all of the summons on top of the mechanized weapons and a chibaku tensei that would spell certain-death.

Itachi asked for their help directly, if Itachi could easily one-shot it himself why didn't he? Why did Itachi pause and have a worried look on his face and say "Here he comes!" when Nagato was about to attack if he is positive he is capable of dealing with him without a problem? Just saying Itachi will outsmart Nagato without stating how doesn't mean anything. Kakashi still could have used it to subdue Pain for some time like Jiraiya did to one of the Pains putting it out of a commission for a bit. Long enough to at least get in there and deal some major damage. It isn't the same with Edo Nagato because Itachi was able to use the genjutsu Kotamatsukami to break himself out of Kabuto's control, so genjutsu still affects them even when being controlled.