Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26104757-20170619053257/@comment-5085906-20170707104124

Not that I'm not enjoying this. I actually am. But this is my last reply to this. I've given my opinion, and you've given yours so there's very little to add.

Namikazenaruto9 wrote: ^this is true. I forgot to factor in the experience. But if you are going to factor that in than I will suggest that you don't. Because Kakuzu's Experience would easily trump either of their experience.

True, Kakuzu is pretty old. But he's handicapped in the sense that he has a retarded little brother to look after. Besides, even his precise decision-making skills got skewed once Naruto threatened him with a Rasen-Shuriken. Whereas both Chiyo and Tsunade are veterans and know what they're doing most of the time.

Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Another close quarter attack. I am not at all denying the fact that Tsunade would demolish him with Body Deranged Path way. But Hidan is equally good at Taijutsu too And considering his tool he should be in better position to extract the blood.

And I never said that Hidan wouldn't draw Tsunade's blood. It's just that he won't be able to do anything with it since even with his scythe, which is essentially created to accomodate to Hidan's sloppy and mindless attacks, he still needs to get close enough to slice her with it. A Sannin like Tsunade would never let an opportunity like that slip. And, while I usually don't like using databooks to make my arguments, Tsunade's taijutsu skills are actually a wee bit higher than Hidan's. I personally believe that's not the case, but I do think that she can hold her own and even get close enough to use Body Deranged Pathway. Once she uses that, Hidan's entire body would go awol. He would never be able to complete the ritual in that state.

Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Asuma didn't face any injury when he took in the blood. Same thing could easily happen to Tsunade. Shikamaru and Kakashi had prep time, they knew what they were dealing with. Right now we are talking a fight on equal terms. And how is Tsunade more durable? She has better regenerative capability.(For instance more durable person would be the Third Raikage)

As I said earlier, I don't doubt that Hidan would be able to draw Tsunade's blood. Even if Tsunade didn't know about Hidan's weakness, she could easily heal it after since we saw that a stab to the heart didn't insta kill Asuma (who was already burned). Don't forget we're essentially talking about a person who laid the foundations to modern medicine.

As for prep time, in the case of Shikamaru, yes. But Kakashi fought both of them in hand to hand combat. There would have been no way for him to prepare for a taijutsu battle since that was his first time fighting them. He hadn't scaled them yet. And even considering their prep time, they had no idea about Kakuzu's hearts and still managed to hold their own against him. As for durability, again, databooks. I apologize for relying so much on them, but it's kinda difficult to scale their stamina on their own. Tsunade has a higher stamina than Kakashi and Shikamaru, but a lower Stamina than Hidan. And even so, she apparently managed to summon Katsuyu while bisected (it's canon, I checked) AFTER her healing had ultimately failed her. That's stamina.

Namikazenaruto9 wrote:

Part 1 Naruto completely Demolished Kabuto's stomach. Please check out where the whole stomach is filled with blood despite him collecting chakra to negate rasengan. The size of the wound is bigger than that Susanoo Blade by the way. As for Oodoma Rasengan argument, Madara attacked him before that Rasengan could complete penetration.

The fact that Kabuto couldn't heal that is not proof that the Part 1 Rasengan is more powerful than a Susanoo blade from Madara. It just means that Kabuto's healing is vastly inferior to Tsunade's. Sure, in the long run, his healing actually helps since (as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong) it doesn't require loss of cells but in a battle situation it doesn't hold a candle to Tsunade's Creation Rebirth.

Also, wrong. Here is Naruto's oodama rasengan hitting Madara's susanoo: You can also notice it in the anime, where Naruto has a shit-eating grin for a moment there, thinking he's hit Madara and then realizes that Madara is about wreck his shit:  There's no penetration. The Rasengan is not a Chidori. The Rasengan is supposed to propel the target away, not penetrate it. And from what we did see, that Oodama Rasengan was tanked by Madara's susanoo whereas Tsunade actually caused a crack immediately upon impact:

If Tsunade can crack it almost immediately, then so should have Naruto's rasengan.

Namikazenaruto9 wrote: The main reason was kakashi's father dead.(in kakashi's case) I don't think situation would have been same if Sakura hadn't save Kankuro. Because she saved him and fought the way she did with Chiyo was the major factor in securing that trust. You can't say the same for Tsunade or Kakashi's father teaming up with her. And if you ignore emotional factor here than I will simply argue you to ignore that factor in Kakuzu and Hidan's case. and Kakuzu's Fight with Kakashi clearly showed that he can easily spam the jutsu number of times. And Kakuzu's chakra reserve is much more considering he easily has reserves of more than 5 at least.

We've seen bitter Kage set their grudges aside so they could handle common enemies together. I agree with you when you say that we need context if we want to make this argument, but since both Kakuzu and Hidan are Akatsuki, I have no doubt that Tsunade and Chiyo would work together to defeat them. Goddamn Ohnoki had 1000 of his men killed by Konoha's Yellow Flash during the war, and he had no quarrel with working alongside Tsunade or Gaara when he was pitted against Madara, the former a Konoha hokage and the latter a young boy that he constantly tried to abuse verbally. Besides, Tsunade's rivalry with Chiyo is awfully detached by Naruto standards; Chiyo created poisons, Tsunade invented antidotes for those poisons. The end. So far, we've seen nothing but toxic behavior in between Hidan and Kakuzu - hell, the only reason they're in the same team is because they can't kill one another.

He didn't spam those combinations though. And no, his chakra is compartmentalized in different hearts - that does not mean he has large reserves. It was never stated that his chakra reserves are huge. Once he releases his hearts, it would make him a pain to kill, but either way apparently killing Kakuzu causes them to retreat back so it wouldn't be a problem since Tsunade's chakra-enhanced punches can at least demolish two of them at the same time.