Talk:Blaze Release

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long story short
Latest chapter has proven an old theory that was argued to death here. Basically:
 * Amaterasu is Blaze Release
 * Kagatsuchi and Blaze Release: Kagatsuchi are 2 different techniques
 * Kagatsuchi can alter only flames cast by Amaterasu, therefore both eyes are required
 * While Blaze Release: Kagatsuchi uses only 1 eye and is Amaterasu+Kagatsuchi--Elveonora (talk) 11:54, June 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * There's no distinction to be made between "Kagutsuchi ", and " Enton: Kagutsuchi "; left eye's dōryoku—Amaterasu—is always necessary for Enton's creation.


 * That aside, if this gets the rest of you to finally acknowledge Amaterasu's black flames as Enton, then happy day, I guess. —「SaiST」Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 12:05, June 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * 1) How did last chapter prove that? Especially since it was used exactly the same as it always has.
 * 2) I don't see how you came from that. It was used, again exactly as it always has. He just didn't put the entire name in the panel.
 * 3) ....We knew this. Forever ago. I believe it was C or someone that stated he casts Amaterasu from left eye and Blaze Release from right. So...yay for being right again?
 * 4) I don't even know what this point is trying to say.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:09, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

There's plenty of instances where Sasuke has one eye closed and only one open and uses Blaze Release: Kagatsuchi and creates the flames with shape without having cast them with Amaterasu first and then shaped them. While this time, he used Amaterasu and then Kagatsuchi--Elveonora (talk) 12:11, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Care to provide when? The only one I have from recent memory where is actually closing his eye was when A was about to drop kick him to hell and back, and that time he already had Susanoo on blackfire.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:14, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * And by recent memory I mean my memory.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:17, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * There hasn't been a single instance in which we have witnessed Sasuke use his right eye alone to create the black flames. Many are still making the mistake of using the example from Chapter 641 as proof of it's Nature Transformation, when we were only seeing him continue to use his right eye's ocular power to accomplish what he said he intended to do in the preceding page: match Naruto's chakra output. This was after the flames were already present.


 * Sasuke's use of Kagutsuchi in this Chapter is no different than when he used it's first named example in Chapter 464, and that was called "Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi". There's no need to fabricate a discrepancy between Kagutsuchi with and without it's Nature Release prefix. —「SaiST」Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 12:25, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * And I'd like to point out once again that I find the notion of Blaze Release being Amaterasu's manipulated flames ridiculous. Shape Transformation does not make a Nature Release. —「SaiST」Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 12:28, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Except Obito absorbed the Amaterasu in chapter 641 so there were no flames present when he used Blaze Release: Kagatsuchi, also chapter 632--Elveonora (talk) 12:38, June 25, 2014 (UTC)