Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33308438-20180614101055/@comment-34656247-20180629161704

'-' Kaiser Emperor wrote: It was performed in the manga and in the databook was it stated that there are just 2 ways of casting genjutsu, that is something I posted now plenty of times on here. You can cast genjutsu just through hand signs/seals or a special medium like the Sharingan. You are already using points that were already mentioned and proven wrong with even the reference provided. You should know better than not to take the databook seriously, temari can blow away the universe is what it said that means every naruto character except temari should just go home. Also it said Ma(the female toad from mount myobuko) is the greatest tactican ever, so Itachi, Minato and Kakashi should also go home ;_;

Just is there a difference between Jonin like Kakashi and Hunter-Nin like Ao. Hunter-Nin are an equivalent to Konoha's Anbu and as we already know was Anbu Kakashi not really able to hand pick every single person of his squad. Let us not forget that you don't even know if Ao was back then the bodyguard of the Mizukage or not, this is like me assuming that Chojuro was it back then aswell, something that is due to his age pretty unlikely. i'll give you this, but a point still stands, if his sensory unit were fodders why would he even bring it up. The feat still stands you can't change it.

And we can scale just one of them and that is the one that fought Kirin Sasuke, since we never saw any of them in actual action. Let us not forget that he never really fought Orochimaru, but had him already in a genjutsu before the fought began and the recruitment of Hidan being 1 from the storm series and 2 a scenario where he doesn't fights. So you're still basing sick itachi to minato just because he didnt use susanoo or all his abilities in earlier scenes? starting to think you're a minato supporter and you're not looking at things from both side O___O...he used Amatersu and tsukuyomi in his first appearance, why won't he have susanoo? even he stated when amaterasu and tsukuyomi awakened in his eyes he got the susanoo.. sooooooo...

It's the only vision of him we know ofand as long as that is the case is that the only one we can consider to use for a healthy discussion. You can't just pick a version of Itachi and then state that he is as strong or stronger as the Itachi we have seen fighting and that is why we can just consider that almost blind Itachi in a fight/vs discussion. And adding that version of itachi is somehow fair to you? Him having blurred vision in the sasuke fight doesnt mean all versions has it, i think this falls under the common sense category ;_;

Let us not forget that Shisui had to use the Kotoamatsukami so other people could have reported that he has that kind of power as this information wasn't unknown to the world and Shisui wouldn't have instantly became blind with 1 MS usage, his vision would have at first become worse... The higher ups knew about his ability, proof of when he said im going to use my visual jutsu on the clan! then danzo, hiruzen etc were all shocked as they already knew what he was referring to. Shisui even said it himself sooo.....after Danzo used it, after Itachi used it the sharingan faded. Itachi even said after using it you need to wait atleast a decade for it to re-activate ,-, unless you had hashirama's dna.

I wasn't hinting that at all, I was basing the whole comment and argument on the fact that it would have lied within Kabuto's capabilities to save Orochimaru. Ah you were, itachi with the intent to capture Orochimaru would fail? just because KBAUTOOOO was there? ah no.

Scared? He was actually trying to act under the radar so the raid will be successful, more fuss would have meant that Konoha would have been more wary, which would have meant an appointment of more guards throughout the chunin exam or even the village and that would have destroyed the plans of the raid. He held by fleeing the results of the incoming investigations at the very minimum and that was the best choice Kabuto could have done. YEp scared, if it is what you stated then why did he reveal his face to kakashi and then run away? won't kakashi report that? sooo...yep scared. He was clealy overpowered.

Let us not forget what it means to fight an opponent who is at a similar level as you. Everything could happen, which would mean no guaranteed win. Why should Kabuto have entered a fight, where he wouldn't have known who the winner is? and he used already chakra up to beat those 5 Anbu's. Did kabuto secretly send you a video of him using chakra to defeat those anbu? and did he create a huge scene whilst doing it? no? Anyways this arised when you tried to compare kabuto with itachi, as proven he's not even kakahsi's level so lets' drop this topic.

Wait... what did the "character" say? I am not really fashioning anything, I am actually using the chapters and data books as reference, while you aren't. Yes, Obito recruited Itachi and knowingly him being a spy. The distrust was still there and they were planning to simply using him, yet did he still have to earn his trust towards the people otherwise would Nagato/the Akatsuki just have killed him and it would have meant the end for Itachi. Him letting Orochimaru go could have been interpreted as multiple things that wouldn't be in favor for Itachi. Orochimaru had intel about Akatsuki, betrayed them and still runs free around. They even could have thought of Orochimaru being a spy for Konoha too and that Itachi "let" him go so he could give valuable intel to Konoha. The choices that Itachi had... as I stated already again x times, to kill Orochimaru or to bring him to Akatsuki. He was a possible threat for Itachi and his plans too, so "Itachi letting him move OR go" what side is now fashioning things their own favor? You should probably read the whole discussion or all my posts. References were provided. There is no fashioning or alterations of facts. Check the stated chapters and pages of databooks I provided. I think you should re-read it since you're denying the part where you fashioned itachi's statement. Itachi said he could've controlled orochimaru, you said he cant....see? ;_; you're opionion vs manga....manga stomps. No difficulty. Why would Nagato kill itachi, someone who the real commander brought in himself? that would be denying Obito's leadership. And like i said they took itachi's word that Orochimaru left akatsuki so why wouldn't they still do so when Itachi will be controlling him?? you're not making sense on this part.

Now why exactly won't Itachi win with genjutsu? won't Minato look into Itachi's eyes even once? that's so surprising..i mean that's a natural thing to do, look a person in their face to verify alot of things like Hair colour to verify if he/she is from a specific clan (uzumaki having red hair) or like in Jiraiya's case when he looked into kid Nagato's rinnegan. Minato would have to stare Itachi into the eyes in order for him to know that Itachi is an uchiha the opening post states nothing abt intel sooo...why won't he? that's simply fashioning the battle over to Minato. If the orochimaru vs Itachi battle had'nt been created in the anime and a battle between the two be made here then Itachi soloing Orochimaru in two seconds would definitely not be stated. Or if the Gai vs Juubi Madara battle hadn't been created in the anime and a versus battle be made here everyone would be laughing.''wut? is this a joke? Gai is nowhere near madara, madara is juubi jinchurik for god sake he would stomp in a flash.'' ....