Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-1018594-20150601102022/@comment-734582-20150601105247

NeedleJizo wrote: I don't see why we would restrict their power. Kamui with people takes some time. Time in which Kakashi is vulnerable. Toad Mouth was strong, yet Itachi got out of there. With Kamui or Raikiri the case is the same for Kakashi.
 * No cop-outs, i.e Jiraiya one-shots with Toad Mouth Bind, Kakashi one-shots with Kamui.

The difficulty is that neither truly has a trump card *on the other*: Jiraiya in Sage Mode is a more static fighter with great power, while Kakashi uses few but well-placed powerful jutsu. Both are strategic, have tons of battle experience, are analytical and calm as well as a large variety of jutsu at their command.

I think it would be a tie, actually.

Lastly: "Pain acknowledged that the only reason he won against Jiraiya was because he surprised him" Not sure where this was stated. However, yes, Six Paths of Pain was a jutsu that surprised any foe since he could make them fight on false assumptions. E.g. Jiraiya would never have used the Genjutsu (the ultimate way to win) on just 3 enemies if he knew there were six. It's thus a powerful way to dictate the battlefield without needing raw power.