Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-27418151-20160521030355/@comment-28483245-20160521160613

Thekillman wrote: Ylone wrote: The question is, can Sasuke afford to use Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi all the time while Tobirama tries to decapitate or slash through him? He doesn't have to. These flames have repeatedly burned for a significant amount of time. Even when used on the offensive, the flames would exist long enough to use defensively.

Ylone wrote: Yes it's true, but when a powerful water and fire technique of equal powers collide, they usually create steam. The steam itself cannot be used as a source of immense heat to create the cumulonimbi required for Kirin Yea no. The steam would rise, rapidly cool at higher levels and condense into clouds, resulting in the necessary clouds for Kirin. Steam is used in engineering solutions as a carrier of heat. It's an even better source of heat than water.

Ylone wrote: Also, if Tobirama in close quarters combat marks the uchiha with his FTG mark, it's game over. It would require him to get close to begin with, against a target that predicts movement and creates a semi-barrier through his techniques, limiting access. It's a big if, hence my statement about previous knowledge.

wut? so you mean that he can simply light himself on fire with the amaterasu? No. Using amaterasu to burn something is not the same as using it defensively. Using susano'o's ribcage and then using kagutsuchi as a defensive method does require constant chakra control. he would also need to extinguish the fires, for which he also needs chakra.

So, if that were the case, how many times would their techniques have to clash to form the cumulonimbi required for kirin? kirin is a technique that requires a great deal of heat to work. Remember how Sasuke possibly used his strongest fire technique to heat up the atmosphere, and it was ultimately Itachi spamming amaterasu that made the atmosphere get hot. Don't tell me now that steam is a better source of heat than fire itself. Note that we are talking about a fictional universe.

And it is not like Tobirama would stand still when the fog forms just to watch sasuke's talk-no-jutsu before trying to use Kirin. He'd try his speedblitzing method.

Yup. What's restraining tobirama from using multiple shadow clones just to mark sasuke? Even if he does have the EMS, he can't fight two tobiramas at once. Yes, he can beat Naruto's 1 million kage bunshins with a single hit, but it depends on how the user uses them. Sasuke can't tell if the clone is really Tobirama or..well..a clone. He just needs one touch, from either him, or his clone.