Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180727165341/@comment-34194151-20180814060202

Lol the only running speed feat we have for obito pre war-arc is apparently keeping up with minato's running speed. which still puts obito above old hiruzen, tobirama, and hashi, all extremely fast shinobi. But it's a stretch to say that any of those hokage are even faster than V2 ayy on foot. I don't even believe that minato is faster than v2 ayy in footspeed either, only reflexes, body control, and FTG were the clear advantages, because FTG is critical to minato's fighting style. even with all of that, raikage's top speed blitz still managed to touch minato's nose in exchange for minato getting to flick his kunai behind ayy.

I do agree with the chapter 467 example. IT was clear that the raikage's speed was a problem for obito, but nothing that kamui couldn't handle. He went to the summit intially to capture the kages, but since sasuke failed to weaken them that wasn't possible. If he had kcm speeds then, it's believable that his kcm speeds + kamui hax and skill would allow him to take them out. But the fact that he admitted he couldn't capture the kages then as insurance for an easier war effort, tells me he couldn't. So while obito is fast, I don't believe obito was kcm speeds until he got the rinnegan. As I said before, he couldn't even speed blitz base kabuto. I doubt even base minato on foot is kcm speed, though he would be close.

Like when we look back at the chapter, ayy even calls FTG the body flicker technique, which tells me he didn't fully understand that minato's speed was instantenous movement. He called himself the second fastest shinobi alive behind minato after fighting minato many times, but that was minato using FTG to supplement his reflex advantage plus body control.