Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-43403813-20190907005521/@comment-43840650-20191005222304

Alright, since youre being sassy, im gonna have to put you in your place lol

i did say that the animal path saw the kick coming, because they literally did. You're asking evidence for something that you can use your own eyes to see, they got kicked in the face. And just because I said it isn't the same, its not that I couldn't come up with evidence, its just that it didnt apply to our current debate. "I can't say I didn't expect something like this" ooo burn.

It does mean that the chameleon wasnt looking in his general direction. Think. If it did see Itachi, it would have alerted Nagato. Even if Itachi threw kunai at eyes that were staring at him, they still would have seen him, meaning that Nagato would be aware of their presence. That's the evidence. They didn't see Itachi.

If amplified 180 degree vision through the chameleon was a feat that Nagato or any Rinnegan user had, it would have emphasised it in the manga. But I don't see anything suggesting that.

Sorry do you want me to spell it out for you? Even though I have explained repeatedly why your weapon argument is dumb? Pain/Nagato literally has a bajillion ways to counter a kunai/shuriken. Be it dodging, using shared vision, shinra tensei, flinging it back at itachi with bansho tenin, summons taking the hit, wind style (in the case of nagato) etc. If one of my points were that Itachi would be beaten by kunai from Pain, I can guarantee you would disagree. That's why I used my chakra rod argument to suggest how dumb it was, and even chakra rods have more utility than kunai.

Highlight where I explicitly said the amount of evidence didn't matter. I said it isn't "ONLY" the amount that matters, but quality as well. Again, read.

Throughout the series, the Rinnegan's ocular prowess has been praised as the greatest of the dojutsu, and this includes feats of resisting genjutsu and detecting when specific ocular abilities are activated. Itachi even said himself that visual genjutsu is weak towards dojutsus. The characteristic of a genjutsu/ocular ability being activated is chakra rushing to the eyeball. Even the most subtlest and arguably the strongest smallscale genjutsu can be detected, kotoamatsukami, and that was done by a byakugan user at the Kage Summit. Madara showed the same ability with his Rinnegan, watching Might Guy from over 100 ft away, examining his entire chakra network. So there is NO reason why Nagato/Pain could not preemptively avoid a genjutsu from Itachi by examining his chakra network to see if there is a build up of chakra in the eye ball. Nagato even warned Naruto against an ocular ability about to occur just before Itachi used kotoamatsukami. Before the technique was used, Nagato mistook it for Amaterasu on Naruto, and warned Naruto, and Itachi was facing away from Nagato. So we know that Nagato sees chakra building up in the eyeball.

Judging from the lack of evidence you're providing for IT and Tsukuyomi, I'd say it is at least confirmed in this discussion lmao. You only say "they're different" and expect me to take your word for it, as if that suffices. I factchecked halyconite and the naruto wiki pages share an identical description of IT and Tsukuyomi. A genjutsu that "traps the user in an illusion" be it a dream, or one of those torture places Itachi used. So logically it would take the same steps to resist it/dispel it. Secondly, Sasuke was able to resist a much larger scale version with his Rinnegan, which would explain why Nagato/Pain should resist a much smaller scale version.

Moreover, Sasuke's Rinnegan resisting IT would not differ to any Rinnegan user resisting IT. The only difference between Sasuke's Rinnegan and Nagato's is the tomoe, and you're assuming that that is what gives Sasuke the resistance. Wrong. Sasuke's tomoe only allow him to use his Mangekyou abilities in the left eye as well, and also shows whether he is at full power or not. When he is low on chakra, his tomoe disappear and he can no longer use his teleportation ability. When he is high on chakra, the tomoe reappear. So no, in terms of resistances, it is not different to Nagato's.

Its also been emphasised earlier that Infinite Tsukuyomi "is a Senjutsu powered Rinne Sharingan Genjutsu that does not need eye contact nor physical touch to work". If the Rinnegan can resist a genjutsu from a dojutsu that is vastly superior to a generic mangekyou sharingan, why on earth would it not resist a much weaker version of essentially the same technique, that is amped by less factors? Logically, it makes zero sense.

There you got your dissertation