Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-28374870-20160527184403/@comment-1599473-20160625154805

Something tells me Orochimaru beats Jiraya.

I dont see how Orochimaru beats Tsunade, he actively admits inferiority to her. We've seen him at his strongest and we've never seen Tsuande go all out, with Madara she was reckless, but she was regenerating...and she was still playing a support role. But Orochimaru has nothing to beat Tsunade. And if he transforms into that Hydra thing, it only makes him easier to kill. Both in restricted form, Tsunade was wiping the floor with him. And even before that, Orochimaru wanted to find a way to manipulate her, so she wouldn't kill him.

Jiraya is more of a match, but even then, Tsunade is too powerful because she doesn't need prep to gain power like Jiraya does, I dont see how Jiraya beats her either. Byakugou is pretty overpowered, regeneration and theoretically she is immune to genjutsu in that form, as her chakra flow is constantly disrupted. Though he was pretty confident that he can kill her back in part 1...which I think was bs. Katsuyu may be the prey of the frogs, but she can kill the frogs, all she need to do is melt, and have Tsuande heal them to death...like she would do Orochimaru.

But logically it is

Orochimaru Tsunade Jiraya