Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-25343176-20141217153708/@comment-25708482-20150120055925

You guys are making arguements without looking at important factors you need to be ignoring.

1. Read the statement black and white. Tenseigan = Rinnegan in power. Tenseigan Toneri = Rinnegan Madara in ""power"". - No where does it mention skill, experience, or enhancements Madara recieved before he wielded Rinnegan. Toneri can be as powerful as madara and lose everytime because madara is more experienced and skilled. Madara would beat toneri not because he 'overpowered' him like when he faced the 5 kage, but because he was more skilled. Closer to naruto vs sasuke but with a winner.

2. The Madara that fought Naruto and sasuke was not the same mandara he was when he unlocked the rinnegan or even the same one when he was first reincarnated back to life. " Kabuto Yakushi modified Madara to be "beyond his physical and combat prime"" So we know even with hashirama's dna and the rinnegan that kabuto made him more powerful than even that. Then include the sage chakra absorbed from hashirama to further enhance him too and you have a totally different madara than simply madara wielding rinnegan. Remember, doesn't mention a 10-tails hosted Madara.

3. The tailed beast mode sage enhanced form naruto used against toneri was more powerful than the one used against madara. Naruto only used yin or yang before but against toneri, kurama was fully formed and we cannot say with facts he was twice as powerful by any means, but we can say he was more powerful. This last bit is debatable but, 10 years after the ten-tails event, and with that event itself under naruto's bet, don't you think naruto has at least honed his skills more if not gotten more skilled, powerful, and wiser as a shinobi verse the naruto that faced madara?

Leave out skill, experience, and enhancements not mentioned. Black and white: Tenseiga Rinnegan in power. Tenseigan Toneri = Rinnegan Madara in ""power"".