Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33308438-20180614101055/@comment-34656247-20180626144736

Kaiser Emperor wrote: It actually does not really exist, as it is an unnamed jutsu that wasn't even mentioned in the databooks. The wiki created a page of it to have a precise list of all kind of jutsus and as I stated, it was clearly stated that there are just 2 ways to cast a genjutsu. 1 doing the said hand signs and 2 having a special medium like the Sharingan. That was undisputedly stated in the third databook on page 301. The only way to explain this jutsu is that he most likely did the hand signs off screen before the battle began.
 * lOL, it was performed in the manga and anime...so it's already canon which means it exist. I'm sure the Databook does not cover every single jutsu a user has, say Hashirama.his wood constructs can shape into anything, what is he made a wood dog? ;_; it's clearly a sharingan genjutsu and not the handsigns..itachi made it clear that he can cast non-eye contact genjutsu with the finger genjutsu being a proof....so why exactly is this surprising?,

It was stated that his sensory squad couldn't sense Itachi and there are just 2 ways of not being able to get sensed by a sensory. You could hide your chakra like Zetsu or just move outside of their range and we never saw Itachi hiding his chakra, therefor did he most likely cast the genjutsu outside of their range and controlling multiple people at multiple locations would mean that he can do that from afar.
 * I won't say multiple locations, simultaneously cuz Ao denied that. So rest i agree on'-'/

<div class="quote" That is pretty hypothetical and finding someone with a talent for sensory stuff... Just Itachi knew about Sasuke being talented in sensory and nobody else found that kind of talent in Sasuke. Orochimaru, Kakashi nobody found that out and let us not forget, that Ao's squad could have been simply ordered by the Mitsukage for Ao. It was nowhere stated, that he could have chosen his very own squad. And it was nowhere stated that he can, Kakashi had the authority to hand pick anbu black ops to guard sasuke....AO had a more higher position in Kirigakure, with him being the mizukage's bodyguard, so i don't see why not.Besides if his sensory unit were fodders, why did he even bring up the whole itachi thing. ,-,

We just saw one Itachi fighting and that was the one with the blurred vision and you aren't comparing Kirin Sasuke with Minato do you? There are worlds between them. Nope, there are other versions:
 * The one that slaughtered the clan
 * The one that fought Orochimaru
 * The one that fought Kakashi
 * The one that went to recruit Hidan
 * The one that took down the 4th Mizukage

The blurred vision was only made clear at the vs Sasuke battle there is no proof which suggests he had blurred vision even before on earlier matches ;_;

The 3 tomoe Sharingan wasn't powerful enough? It was just stated that the MS grants some unique abilities and nowhere was it stated that it boosts the perception of the 3 tomoe Sharingan or the visual genjutsu capabilities. It just grants remarkable abilities and no stat boost and if it does please post a panel or page of a databook that states this and as you stated, Itachi and Shisui together couldn't catch a Byakugan user, who wasn't trained by a Hyuga into a genjutsu. Shisui had to use his Kotoamatsukami which doesn't need eye contact. In the novel shisui explained that Mangekyou genjutsu is faster and more powerful as it injects more chakra into the victim....sadly i cant provide any proof atm. That hyuga pressured both Shisui and Itachi together and they couldn't win in any other way except for genjutsu....and to strengthen the earlier point, Itachi 3 tomoe failed to do it..but shisui's mangekyou did it..And what the hell why would he use Kotoamatsukami???? that would leave him blind, and it was not stated as Kotoamatsukami either.

I never stated that, I just stated that Kabuto had the capabilities to save Orochimaru from Itachi and that the scenario of the anime was a pretty realistic one (narutoverse wise). By saying i was overestimating itachi when we talking abt kabuto you were kinda hinting that.

He ran away because he in the first place dislikes fighting and was in a hospital... in Konoha. A fight would have been pretty loud and would have had others to join the fight, something Kabuto didn't want. He wanted to avoid attention as much as possible. LOLLLLLL or he was just scared? Kakashi was comfortable in fighting in a hospital. It was clear that he was trying to run away. He tried to take Sasuke as hostage, that's proof that he was scared bish ;_O

Itachi never showed the capability to control someone for a longer time. That's what made Shisui's Kotoamatsukami so strong, it was able to control and manipulate a person for their entire life. Itachi wouldn't have been able to control Orochimaru as he was still able to somehow move and resist his genjutsu a bit. Let us not forget that Itachi was new in the Akatsuki and spying on them for Konoha. His first objective was it to demonstrate and earn a high degree of trustability to be collect as much valuable intel as possibel. Him letting Orochimaru go would have looked like him letting a spy for Konoha or a possible danger for the organisation flee. Let us not forget, that this probably even damaged the reputation of Akatsuki who were still doing other kind of activities. Itachi could have done just two things and 1 being to kill him and state that he was attacking him, which would have still been a bit suspicious or 2 actually take him to Pain or Obito and tell him about his betrayal by attacking an Akatsuki member. OMG..now you're denying what the character (who is kishimoto btw) says. Itachi said it..let's just leave it at that and stop fashioning things our own way. Obito himself recruited itachi, and Obito commands pein..so he's kinda already trusted. Everyone knew how Orochimaru stays, and beside no one was there, only Itachi and Orochimaru (kabuto), no other Akatsuki member so in other words they took Itachi's word when he probably told them that orochimaru left the organisation for so and so reason.