Talk:Orochimaru

Revival...?
I didin't understand very well that thing about "revival"...Orochimaru "injects" some part of his consciousness into the ones he bites with his juinjutsu and then that "piece of his mind" takes his form with the flesh of the host ?--177.33.246.101 (talk) 23:20, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

You know as much as we do ... likely Voldemort style--Elveonora (talk) 23:27, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

just random question
At least in the anime (I don't remember it in the manga) when Oro was about to suck Sasuke's neck to give him the Curse Mark, his face appeared all fucked up, any idea as of why?--Elveonora (talk) 21:46, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

When he was still posing as Shiore and his face-mask was ruined?-- Ninja Sheik  21:55, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

like this and this--Elveonora (talk) 22:04, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm... I don't really remember the fight all too well, but wasn't those images just part of something Sasuke imagined. Or was it in one of his dreams? Don't remember.-- Ninja Sheik  22:08, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

It appeared a second before Sasuke's neck got bitten by Oro--Elveonora (talk) 22:13, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Then it has to be his imagination in middle of fear, seeing as Oro as a real demon coming after him. Probably added in the anime for dramatic effect, if you ask me.-- Ninja Sheik  22:18, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

It's exactly for that reason Sheik. The face seems modelled after an oni as well (I don't know if you guys follow Avatar) but a yokai that is said to steal the faces of people. Nothing more.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 11:56, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Makes sense, thanks for answer.--Elveonora (talk) 14:57, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

His height?
Sorry, but why is orochimaru's height decreased? in part 1 it's 179,4 cm and in part 2 it's decreased to 172 cm? are you sure it's not wrong? it's really strange that someone's height is shortened... eh, sorry. the weight too?

virgo dandela --180.254.117.108 (talk) 12:56, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * They would've changed because he switched bodies at the end of part 1. TricksterKing (talk) 13:02, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

The creepy chick body was taller that the guy body.--Elveonora (talk) 13:52, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

sealed by totsuka...
Some articles (Kusanagi Sword included) state that Orochimaru had been sealed by Itachi before being revived by Sasuke. That's incorrect, he had escaped such fate and got burnt by Amaterasu.--Elveonora (talk) 16:57, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Which is speculation. We know he got stabbed by sealing sword. We don't know what the hell that snake was. It could be as you said, it could be foreshadowing that there was a way he could be brought back. We don't know anything about the snake. We do know what Itachi's sword can do.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 17:03, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * When it comes to Orochimaru's life it's all up in the air. It is in fact true that we have no idea what those snakes would have gone on to do, but people speculate that he would have been revived through one of them which is not unbelievable, still, as it is now, he was sealed by the sword.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:05, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Speculation is saying he got sealed, as later manga chapters and logic disprove such. There would be no reason to draw panels with snakes escaping and getting killed if it were just random/generic snakes/summons. It was obviously Orochimaru escaping the sealing, for further detail http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Elveonora#Re:_Kusanagi_-_Oro_edit and http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:TheUltimate3#Kusanagi_-_Oro_edit --Elveonora (talk) 17:13, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

1) Yes.    2) Speculation on my part, but it explains why he didn't need to use the Releasing Method to pop out of the seal. 3) Indeed. Because Sealed in permanent genjutsu = deader than dead.    4) And Orochimaru had his consciousness alive and well in Anko's seal. How else would he be aware of everything that Anko is aware of in respects to the war if he was chillin in dead world all this time? 5) And you know this how?    6) Kishimoto doesn't make many things obvious. It seems obvious to you because it helps reach a conclusion that makes sense to you. When you are forced to look at things objectively, you are left with more questions than answers, hence it's not certain

--Elveonora (talk) 17:25, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * at least on something you agree with me
 * it was a different case, as Anko had Orochimaru's chakra/consciousness sealed in her, while Sasuke Orochimaru's soul, the latter broke free because Sasuke got short on chakra so there was nothing to hold Orochimaru back
 * again, there's only one soul and it's obviously walking around in a body thus was not sealed anywhere... proofs:
 * 1) if it was possible for a soul to be hosted in 2 different bodies (Tobi-Madara originally thought) they wouldn't disprove the masked man being who is claiming to be automatically, thus it's not possible.
 * 2) Anko was branded with Cursed Seal before Part I. and Orochimaru that came out of her knows everything that have happened so far, thus it's not like that one don't remember getting pwned by Sasuke and Itachi
 * His soul went into Anko's Cursed Seal likely after he got burnt
 * "Naruto, I will never meet Jiraiya sensei again as I will be molested by Orochimaru in a drunken dream world" "Naruto, I won't meet up with Minato because I'm not really your mother, just chakra" Naruto is stupid, those things were said to make him feel better and not sad
 * as since it's not obvious to you, that's why it's being discussed now

Sorry for triple-post, but stating "seemingly" sealed fixes ALL the issues and it's a good compromise for both sides--Elveonora (talk) 17:29, August 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * I do enjoy numbered responses.
 * 2) Different and the same. It's odd. Orochimaru is odd.
 * 3) Except we know Tobi was in fact lying about being Madara.
 * 4) Orochimaru is aware of Tobi's war. He was sealed before that war started. He said he knew what was going on because he could see it from Anko's seal. Not sure what you are getting at about him for whatever reason not remembering his defeat but /shrug.
 * 5) Or it was always there. See how this works yet?
 * 6) And this comes from...?
 * 7) It's not obvious. Like I said, you believe it's obvious because it reaches a conclusion you but together. There are many things it could have meant.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 17:36, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Orochimaru's consciousness did not "shift" his consciousness is within every single person that has received his cursed seal. You're using speculation to string your own conclusions together. Sasuke could have gone to any one of the cursed seal recipients and revived Orochimaru.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 17:43, August 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * 3) What I mean is that just as Edo Madara was revived, they found out that Tobi is not Madara. If it was possible for Tobi to be Madara as well like 1 soul 2 bodies, they wouldn't disprove it right away.
 * 4) Yes. What I'm getting at is that his chakra/mind was put into Anko before Part I. but it appears he remember everything thus getting pwned and absorbed by Sasuke, Itachi fight etc. thus it's not like this one is pre-part II. Oro and all the knowledge of current events he has is just thanks to Anko
 * 5) Sarutobi sealed a part of Oro's soul into Death guy and his arms rotted, thus it doesn't appear like it's exactly Voldemort style, thus putting a part of his soul into many cursed seals, just chakra and we know his is conscious.
 * 6) common sense and from what Kishi has established, the "Kushina" in Naruto was a chakra thus her soul being long in the pure world, while I don't think Itachi's Sword and afterlife share the same space
 * 7) we can argue for days, or make some compromises like "presumably, seemingly, it appears, likely" not stating something as 100% confirmed and clear while it's not--Elveonora (talk) 17:47, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) @Cerez, only if Orochimaru's soul was available, you think there can be 10 Orochimarus walking around??? ...--Elveonora (talk) 17:47, August 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * 3)But Tobi was not Madara. The entire thing was to show that he was in fact lying. I'm no longer sure how this even relates anymore.
 * 4)Do note that anything Naruto's shadow clones learn or kno get's transferred to his original body. It is possible for knowledge to remain within the consciousness, no matter how divided it ends up.
 * 5)Which helps prove my argument so I'm not sure where you are going with this.
 * 6)And this again helps prove my point. Kushina remained in Naruto because part of her conciousness was within Naruto's seal, just as Orochimaru remained in his Cursed Seals.
 * 7)But what I'm getting at is there is no presumably. We know how the sword works. We don't know how that snake works.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 18:02, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

--Elveonora (talk) 18:13, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * proved it's not possible to be in 2 different bodies at the same time, thus there can be only 1 soul in 1 body because some thought Tobi to be half Madara's soul, indicating that since Orochimaru's soul got sucked as you say by Totsuka then there shouldn't be one walking around. That's because his soul didn't get sealed.
 * it's different as stuff transfer from shadow clones to original after being dispelled, in Orochimaru's case that would mean part of Oro watching from Anko since from years ago and some other part getting sucked by Itachi, this isn't Harry Potter where all souls of Voldemort were connected, unless Kishi confirms so.
 * if Oro had separated and put part of his soul into others before, he would be long rotted
 * yes, the difference being that Orochimaru's soul as well stayed around, not just consciousness
 * we know how the sword works, but you can't say for sure Orochimaru's soul got sucked by it, while there obviously were the snakes around
 * you guys are basically saying, that as long as Sasuke has Orochimaru's DNA and finds any cursed seal hosts, he can unseal as many Orochimarus as he want "herp derp"

Orochimaru's Defection
Does anyone tell me Orochimaru defected from the village before or after Minato's dead ? thanks 65.49.14.79 (talk) 17:40, August 10, 2012 (UTC)GOd


 * Most likely before. We dont have an exact timeframe of how long Minato was Hokage, but we do know Orochimaru got sloppy and caught after Hiruzen made Minato Hokage instead of him.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 17:53, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Calculate it, Oro was still a Konoha Ninja when he first met Kabuto, the latter was like 7-8 years old and now is 23. Thus shortly after Minato's death Oro was still in Konoha. Tobi attacked Konoha a year after the 3rd Shinobi World War had ended, thus was a Hokage for circa a year or less.--Elveonora (talk) 18:03, August 10, 2012 (UTC)