Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-34194151-20181229071009

@Ninja of War

Again, that's blatant head canon. It doesn't matter how much you guys try to downplay, the manga made it clear. Shisui and Itachi are in fact legendary when it comes to genjutsu and they have the feats and character statements to support it. You guys wanna ignore feats and hype, go right ahead. I'll simply try this again.

Part 1 ninjutsu/genjutsu basics. Put more chakra into your genjutsu/ninjutsu, the more potent it will be. Itachi has 30 percent of his shit stamina available. That means at best, he put in what, 10 percent of his 30 percent? He showed no exhaustion after the genjutsu so he didn't put an incredible amount into it. That means he used an extremely small amount of chakra and his chakra control was good enough to make it unbreakable despite Naruto's best efforts. Genjutsu isn't just a battle of chakra control and you know it. It's also a battle of strength. Even if naruto can only properly manipulate 30 percent of his massive reserves, that's still MAGNITUDES more chakra than Itachi has available even at 100 percent, and he still easily pinned him down. The more chakra Itachi has to control, the more resistance there is because he has to unnaturally resist the natural flow of chakra in the victim's body in order to induce and maintain the illusions. Naruto's uzuamki level of reserves makes that an issue. We already saw that Byakugan users can glimpse the power of an opponent by simply looking at how much chakra is flowing through their chakra network, as we saw as per canon when we saw Neji observe the massive chakra of 30 percent Kisame. Itachi has to control all of naruto's chakra who was directly compared to that same Kisame. That's still a massive amount of chakra to control. Every ninjutsu/genjutsu is a product of the chakra control and the AMOUNT of chakra used to make it. Genjutsu:Kai, which involves forcibly stopping the flow of chakra in your body, is no different even without looking at it from a logical perspective. Look at the mechanics of any technique. You have to knead your chakra and control it just like with any other technique, and with naruto's massive reserves he should have been easily able to compensate his chakra control issues with his massive reserves (simply mould up more chakra) if (THIRTY PERCENT) Itachi is some average genjutsu user like you seem to be implying. How do I know for sure genjutsu Kai: is just like any technique? Because we clearly see the characters have to weave signs for it. Naruto weaved a sign in ephemeral. Sakura, Guy, and Kakashi are all weaving the tiger seal. So yeah, no. Naruto tried his best, he put in as much chakra into it as possible, and even with the full force of his uzumaki reserves, it wasn't enough. And improvement in chakra control cannot possibly close the gap between him and a WEAK Itachi, let alone a 100 percent Itachi.

Wanna give Naruto his war arc chakra control feats? Fine, then give Itachi 100 percent of his chakra available and he simply puts in MORE CHAKRA this time to increase the potency of the genjutsu, and the result remains the same (ignoring Kurama partner method).

Kabuto's temple of Nirvana isn't anywhere close to Itachi's feats and hype lol. Seriously? Let's not act like Itachi couldn't genjutsu all those fodders. As for the named characters, Even Guy isn't breaking out unless he manages to induce a huge surge of chakra flow with the eight inner gates at the right time. Kakashi is the only person in that stadium who be able to resist genjutsu at Itachi's level with a high probability and that is purely by virtue of his own sharingan hax, which in of itself gives a massive resistance to genjutsu. Itachi is able to control MANY targets with genjutsu and his mind control and by his extension his chakra control over his victims cannot be detected by some of the best sensors in the manga working in UNISON, according to the official Naruto manga Viz Translation of Chapter 540. Ao ( who we know knows all about Shisui) and Shikaku didn't even attribute such a feat to Shisui, the only other character hyped to be above Itachi in overall genjutsu potency. So much for people claiming characters like Base Minato can instantly detect Itachi's genjutsu due to being a "sensor". Sorry, Unless like you are at the level ofHashirama Senju in Sage Mode, I don't see anyone using sensing as a viable method of detecting genjutsu at Itachi level, as that is saying they can outdo an an entire SENSORY unit. You gotta rely on your intuition and figure it out that way, and by then, it's too late, as Exploding clone, Totsuka, Amaterasu, all finish the match. Good luck to people at Konan and Kimimaro's level facing the second best genjutsu user of all time.

Lol, looking at this whole thread, It's like I don't know what to do with you guys. It's amazing how in this thread we have people claiming Itachi's genjutsu isn't legendary, downplaying the speed feats of Totsuka, claiming Itachi isn't obito's level when the dude was surprised by Itachi's planning (while not knowing about the Koto plan) and admitted that had Itachi been equipped with full knowledge OBito would be dead. Mind you, amaterasu nearly one shot obito, even if he used Kamui like the databook implies, it took him wallowing in pain and falling to the GROUND in more pain before he finally countered it. In an actual battle he would have been dead to Totsuka during his screaming. Mind you, claiming If Itachi could kill Obito in his life he would have is pure ignorance, as we saw regardless of Yata and Totsuka, he HAD KOTO. What would have happened if Itachi simply put the crow inside sasuke instead of naruto? He already showed the ability to program his attacks to respond to obito's sharingan. Obito approaches sasuke as per canon, and then kotoamatsukami one shots. I dare anyone to argue that Obito can resist the ultimate genjutsu in existence bar Infinite Tsykuyomi. It's obvious that Itachi didn't have the intel on Kamui, it's obvious that The Akatsuki is something he entrusted naruto to defeat with the help of his allies, and he also clearly wanted to reserve the use of koto for his brother, just like it was stated in the canon, for the same reason he let him survive the uchiha massacre and wanted to die by his hand in the first place.