Talk:Lightning Release Chakra Mode

Increase in Strength
Cooltamerboy, we have no idea if that chakra cloak increases anything other than strength. Either provide proof, or stop adding it.

Also, that picture shows the Raikage preforming an attack that seems similar to Killer Bee's Lightning Plough Hot Sword. As it might be a different technique than the one described here, that picture doesn't fit in this article. --ShounenSuki (talk 11:59, September 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well i'll get another image, but it does increase strength because raikage was able to damage the wall greatly by an elbow smash on jugo? Cooltamerboy (talk) 12:01, September 8, 2009 (UTC).


 * So? That might have been natural strength or another technique entirely. There's no proof he's also activating his muscles with that chakra cloak. --ShounenSuki (talk 12:14, September 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * CTB, could u sort it out here, and then decide weather to add it or not....Very annoying when u keep getting mails during a revert war...--AlienGamer--Talk (contribs)-- 12:16, September 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * But compare the punch in the wall he did and the one he did by using elbow smash on jugo? You can see the damage was bigger and it was an elbow smash not a punch? Cooltamerboy (talk) 13:46, September 8, 2009 (UTC).


 * Oh Titans.../sigh /painedsigh /morepainedsigh We've got a thread about the Raikage using some sort of Lightning Cloak or something (Man I wished I named the article that earlier), everything he does while IN the cloak stems from that. No more no less. I hope this ends the confusion, but...somehow I doubt it...--TheUltimate3 (talk) 14:48, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Well somehow I think your's answer's correct. But i still think we should add the words and strength? Cooltamerboy (talk) 15:25, September 8, 2009 (UTC).


 * As far as we know, the chakra cloak only does one thing: increase speed. Until there is evidence, we cannot say it does anything else. We have no idea how strong the Raikage is without that cloak or what other powers he may have. --ShounenSuki (talk 22:51, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Then we'll just have to wait. Cooltamerboy (talk) 08:26, September 9, 2009 (UTC).

Speed
How do we know if it's as fast at FTG?
 * One of the Raikage's escorts mentioned that with the raiton armor, Raikage would be as fast as the Konoha Yellow Flash. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:55, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, that statement doesn't necessarily mean the Raikage is as fast as the Flying Thunder God Technique. Shī might simply have been referring to the Fourth Hokage's normal speed. Then again, this article doesn't claim the Raikage is as fast as the Flying Thunder God Technique with this technique. --ShounenSuki (talk 01:13, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Can we have the comparison sourced? I can't seem to find it anywhere. User:Master Shannara Actually it isn actual speed i think its more like how fast his neurotransmitters are buzzing, therefore lessening reaction time and making the muscles respond faster

His speed increase is so great, he could dodge Amaterasu, which is considered instant. Shall we take a look at how Amaterasu works? *NOTE* This is my explanation for the technique and the one that makes the most sense to me *UNNOTE* Amaterasu activates at the focal point of the users vision. The sense of sight works when light from the outside world is beamed into our eyes. IT is focused by the lens onto the retina, where it is carried by the optic nerve to the brain for interpretation. Amaterasu, in a way, "rests" on the retina, where it waits for an image to hit it. Once it does, the light is reflected back to the initial target with Amaterasu traveling as well. This would make Amaterasu a speed-of-light attack. If A could dodge that from about 20 feet, then that would place him somewhere between relativistic and Chuck Norris. Gaara blocked it not out of speed, but how long it took for Sasuke's eyes to adjust focus between two targets. That gave Gaara enough time to bring up his shield. Please respond to this and tell me what u think! ~Akatsuki Rulz~
 * This isn't a forum. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:40, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Lariat
Does Lariat belong under the directly derived jutsu? Or does it not go there, because it can be done with Killer Bee's jinchuriki transformation?--Enoki911 (talk) 02:24, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

[Concern] over surprise
I have generally let this slide, but I cannot help but feel there is there is a difference in perspective to how Darui reacted to seeing C use this technique. To me it looks like shock and worry over simply surprise. The exclamation mark, that diamond shaped thing which shows that attention has been grabbed (does that have a name?), and the eye and mouth seem open in surpise. On their own it is reasonable to say just surprise, but having all three seems like overkill or a different message. Finally, there is the drop of sweat (did he sweat at any other different time). Moreover, each technique is supposed to have a flaw/downside (Rasenshuriken with the chewing up the user's cells to the enormous chakra drain), where is this ones shown (especially since this plays with the brain)? Darui should have a reason to be concerned and to me he is showing it, yet when I put that in, it gets removed. Please explain. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 06:30, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * It looks more like reacting to the news of Sasuke killing so many samurai, "I can sense a lot of chakras disappering! It must be Sasuke!" then he has the strong reaction. Arrancar79 (talk) 06:48, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * This technique has shown no signs of having a downside. At all.
 * Even if Darui is concerned there, it most likely is because of how the Raikage is taking Sasuke's presence, rather than him using this technique. After all, the Raikage was taking this extremely serious. Enough so to even give up his limbs. —ShounenSuki (talk 06:55, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Reasonable, but he never showed the same reaction again, the closest would be A and his leg almost meeting that blaze jutsu, and when Sussan'o blocked that attack he and Co. unleased. Even with Madara giving his evil plan he was calmer (except for the whole 'Everything will become one with me' part, and even that was fairly calm). Plus, the timing of the response seems to indicate the jutsu not Sasuke (not to mention the things said in C and Darui's minds. Plus, when we first saw Rasenshuriken we saw no downside, or Susann'o, for a little bit (collapsing, arm busted up, coughing up blood,etc), yet we do [know] that each jutsu is to have a weakness in proportion to its power. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 07:19, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Raikage hadn't even used the jutsu when Darui reacts. As far as a down side to every jutsu, 90% of the time it is a tactical down side like Chidori without the Sharingan. Rasenshuriken was forbidden because of the potentially permanent physical damage it could cause Naruto. Arrancar79 (talk) 07:46, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Him never showing that reaction again isn't that odd. That's the moment he realised how serious the Raikage was taking this. Afterwards, he wouldn't be surprised about it any more and would just do his job. The RAikage activating this technique was most likely the indication of how serious he was.
 * If this technique was the reason of their reactions and did have some sort of downside, they would have probably shown more concern throughout the fight. Downsides usually become more pronounced with extended use. —ShounenSuki (talk 08:12, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Very well, I will let the matter go. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 08:15, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Jugo's Blast
Did Jugo really hit the Raikage with his blast during their fight? I know it was a point-blank attack, but the raikage was easily fast enough to dodge it, as he could dodge Amaterasu with ease. This could probably be left out.Pacifista15 (talk) 04:50, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

No jugo's blast didn't hit the raikage he dodged it just like he did with amaterasu--Charmanking2198 (talk) 12:59, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Influence?
Is it just me, or is this technique remarkably similar to the Dragon Ball Z technique Lightning Aura? http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Lightning_Aura Just wondering if it should be mentioned?ZPRN (talk) 17:15, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know about the anime, but in the manga Nappa's aura only has a lightning-appearance for about a page. If Lightning Armor is to be based on anything from Dragon Ball, I think Super Saiyan 2 has a much stronger likeness. ~SnapperTo 18:24, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you're right, I just figured since they're both kind of the same principle (and they're both capable of hacking off human limbs), Lightning Armour might have come about partially thanks to Dragon Ball. (Kishimoto's admitted having been influenced by Toriyama's work, right?) Maybe not though, it's not particularly important. ZPRN (talk) 18:57, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Capabilities
I would like to know all properties from the lightning release armor. So the Raikage has enhanced speed, agility, reflexes and strenght, and he can cut things with his hands and arms. But what else?
 * Everything we know about A's armour is in his article.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 19:53, June 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * But what would happen if someone who's not as bulky as the Raikage uses the Raiton no Yoroi? Would he be as strong and fast as the Raikage? --ShenLong Kazama (talk) 17:04, June 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * He'd be both slower and faster. As you can see with the following:
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 * ~SnapperTo 17:58, June 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * D-W-L!--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 18:27, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

What the hell? Please explain. --ShenLong Kazama (talk) 19:10, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * What all of that means is that there's no way we'd know the answer to the question you just posted because we're not Masashi Kishimoto. Also, this isn't a forum.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 19:46, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

What about its defensive capabilities? It was able to deflect chidori and chidori katana, but there definetly has to be a limit. Although definetly an overestimation, even if it can defend the user against all wind, earth and lightning techniques, it is not possible for it to protect the user from fire. A is lucky that Sasuke used only lightning to fight him. But as he is very fast to dodge attacks, it may nothave mattered.37.40.24.255 (talk) 19:13, March 26, 2012 (UTC)a wikia contributor-S.K.

vs Rasenshuriken
Its already mentioned that this armour can defend the user from a chidori. According to last manga chapter (554), the lightning armour defended the 3rd raikage from a rasenshuriken (a wind release technique that maybe has kyubi's chakra). I think this should be mentioned in the article to show the fact that this lightning armour is also an effective protection against a S-rank wind release ninjutsu which is expected to be stronger than a lightning technique.--201.230.74.189 (talk) 13:43, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sandaime was protected by his body not the lightning armour. Wind is stronger than lightning.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 13:48, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * And Edo Tensei regeneration. I highly doubt that the Raikage would be able to do anything if his chakra network were to be suffer the effects of the Rasenshuriken. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:08, September 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Looking closely at chapter 554, the lightning release armour not only surrounds the user but the clothing that they are also wearing, including the rope belt around the Third's waist. On page 5, the blade of the Rasenshuriken easily cuts through this belt in spite of the armour. So, to answer the original question, the lightning release armour definitely doesn't protect the Third from Naruto's Rasenshuriken. Blackstar1 (talk) 22:50, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Four finger nukite
Hum since the Nukite is a Lightning Release jutsu, and since it was never seen done separately should it be added to the listed of derived Jutsu's like most of A's arsenal...since it's apparently clear that this is a move that takes advantage of the Lightning chakra on the Armor...any opinions?
 * I don't see how it should be a derivative technique per se. If it's anything like Raikiri and Chidori, it can probably also be used without the armour. —ShounenSuki (talk 19:57, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * But the fact is it was seen being done by the Raikage without the Lightning Armor...plus the only similar thing to the Chidori/Raikiri is the use of Lightning as a piercing effect...Darksusanoo (talk) 20:00, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Classification
Shouldnt this jutsu be classified as a nintaijutsu?--Charmanking2198 (talk) 12:15, December 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Since we don't have a clear definition of what it is, no. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:40, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Speed comparisons
We know it was mentioned he could be as fast as the Flying Thunder God technique, but where did "Naruto in 9-tails form" come from? If we're including that, then shouldn't we also include Guy and Rock Lee's highest power taijutsu with many open gates? If you recall, Rock Lee was already ridiculously fast by just taking off his leg weights ("Upon removing the weights, Lee's speed vastly increases, making it almost impossible to see his movements with the unaided eye. When he removed his ankle weights during his fight with Gaara, they enabled him to be the first person to ever bypass his defences and strike him. Lee's speed was so great in Part II he could intercept a charge from Haku, who is known for his speed both in and out of his Demonic Mirroring Ice Crystals."), let alone when he opened gates. And you saw how fast he was after just a few gates, imagine that on Guy. To me, Tobi's space-time, Minato's FTG, Naruto's nine-tails, AND the Inner Gates taijutsu of Guy and Rock are all more or less equal as the fastest techniques. 76.183.211.64 (talk) 07:07, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

We don't just add arbitrary comparisons that haven't been mentioned or shown. And Lee was fast, but speed boosts always sem faster when first introduced and are slower by comparison to things later in the series. Think Dragon Ball Z to picture this properly. We added that Chakra Mode bit because he kept up with Naruto while he was in that mode, though he was eventually outdone. Basically, you're interpreting the speed of characters who haven't even been compared; This is not a forum. Also, no matter what C says, speed can never compete with FTG, no matter how fast it is since FTG is instantaneous. Skitts (talk) 07:15, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * You said you don't make arbitrary comparisons without it being mentioned to start, then toss in that "you can't compare to FTG regardless of what C said" defending FTG. That's confusing and hypocritical. Yes, you CAN make comparisons -- it's already been done on this wiki and it makes perfect sense to do so. If you want to go by explicit word-for-word mentions, then this wiki page should be edited to contain only the reference to FTG and nothing else. 76.183.211.64 (talk) 07:21, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

I'm "defending FTG" because what you're saying that C said is by definition incorrect. You cannot be "as fast" as something that is instantaneous because just by definition that means it ignores the time aspect of speed and acceleration. Anyway, C compared A in the Armour to FTG, he didn't say he could "be as fast". And no, you can't make random comparisons as you did with Lee and guy. Naruto and FTG were actually compared to A, Lee and Guy were not, thus it is a pointless venture to even speculate about it. Skitts (talk) 07:41, February 4, 2012 (UTC)