Talk:Hand Seal

Signs image
Isn't the current image that replaced the previous one a policy violation for containing English text ? I don't know why it was replaced, the previous image just showing the signs is all that is needed.

EDIT: I checked, apparently the image itself was replaced, and the replacement is technically against the rules of the image policy as well. --Speysider Talk Page 18:07, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * The policy is against English text added by scanlation groups. The previous image had scanlation text, the current image doesn't. ~SnapperTo 18:14, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * You know, I always wondered where we even got that image in the first place.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 19:04, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * @Snapper2: It needs to be uploaded under a different file name and as a separate file, since your reupload technically violates the part regarding uploading new versions of files (aka "only the exact same image that is on a file in better quality can be reuploaded over the previous") and your reupload is a different image entirely. Just sayin' --Speysider Talk Page 19:06, September 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * And this is something of such vital importance that we need to be a stickler about it?
 * Both versions are from the same source and contain the same figures/information. They are barely "different". ~SnapperTo 19:10, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

hand seals stat again
On Narutoanswerswika a question was asked that why has Chouji his stat lowered between 2nd and 3rd databooks. I thought it refers to chakra control, my answer got replaced with an answer indicating the stat has to do with speed of one's hands, which is nonsense in itself, because that would generally fall under "speed" Any actual evidence what it refers to? Chakra control is the most logical, considering the seals are used to better manipulate chakra, not to show off finger yoga--Elveonora (talk) 12:08, October 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's something to take up with Naruto Answers I think.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:19, October 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Most of the editors (admins and those who answer) in there are editors here too and locals such as Seelentau or even you are more likely to know. After all, we are the guys who are supposed "to know" so raising the topic there in a place at which most of the editors are ones who ask the questions wouldn't go anywhere--Elveonora (talk) 12:22, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Chacra nature hand seal
During Deidara and Sasuke fight, Sasuke mentioned that Deidara hand sighns are for Earth chacra type...
 * Yes, so? It's already noted that certain signs are associated with natures--Elveonora (talk) 22:25, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

Asura and Indra
Shouldn't it be mentioned that Asura and Indra was seen using the seal of confrontation in front of each other, they could have been doing the Traditional Shinobi Sparring and that was around the time of Ninshu therefor they could be the first to do so while at the same time its possible that its from Hagoromo's teaching--MERCURIOUS (talk) 16:23, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Didn't we see Kaguya doing those? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:41, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Since it is a seal used for Ninjutsu it doesn't really matter who used it first, what I wanted to say is that Asura and Indra doing the seal as a part of the two seals used in the traditional sparring so it's kind of goes back to their time as the first to do so--MERCURIOUS (talk) 17:30, April 24, 2014 (UTC)

Elemental hand seals
According to the Boruto movie, the Bird seal is Wind Release, the Snake seal is Lightning Release and the Dog seal is Water Release. Boruto forms those hand signs while talking about which natures he has mastered. Furthermore, one-handed seals are apparently connected to nature transformations as well, as shown in the Kote explanation. • Seelentau 愛 議 06:54, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * While Bird-seal is probable, both Snake-seal and Dog-seal are connected to Earth Release(as well with Wood Release) and Danzō's Wind Release respectively in the manga... So maybe we should mention this in trivia?--JouXIII (talk) 10:05, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Were they ever officially connected to those natures? • Seelentau 愛 議 10:07, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Is Kote the device he used to cheat?--Elve Talk Page 10:30, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Both Sasuke and Kakashi have stated during their fights with Deidara and Kakuzu respectively that they recognized the element of their techniques(earth) from hand seal, which was Snake-seal. As for Dog-seal, Danzō was shown to use it with his Wind Release. Whetever it's THE seal for Wind Release, it's not revealed... Besides, since they're used in Boruto movie only, shouldn't we just mention them as such? --JouXIII (talk) 10:46, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, that happened. Well, the Wind seal at least isn't officially confirmed. As for the Earth seal, maybe the seals "belong" to more than one nature? I don't know... and yes Elve, it is. • Seelentau 愛 議 11:49, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Bumbing here, because I'm not quite sure where to put this. In NUNS4, during Hiruzen's Five Release Great Combo Technique, the hand seals were shown with each element: Fire=Tiger, Wind=Dog, Lightning=Monkey, Earth=Snake and Water=Bird. While it was shown in game, there are some canonical proof: Tiger, Dog and Snake were already mentioned, Monkey is used in Chidori and Lightning Cutter and final hand seal of Water Dragon Bullet is Bird. I find this at least trivia-worthy, but that's me. Thoughts? --JouXIII (talk) 13:46, February 21, 2016 (UTC)
 * Bump. --JouXIII (talk) 19:08, February 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * Video games are not canon.--Elve Talk Page 19:16, February 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * The only thing not canon about it is the name. Munchvtec (talk) 19:31, February 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * The palm of my hand just touched my nose. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:14, February 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * And why is that seel? Am i wrong? Its a technique created aby Kishi, but named in the game. Munchvtec (talk)

Because the hand seals didn't show up in the manga. Just because Hiruzen does x seal for y nature in a videogame, that doesn't make it canon.--Elve Talk Page 03:27, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * ah i see Munchvtec (talk) 04:29, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's triva-worthy at least as there is some in-universe logic with it. -- Questionaredude (talk) 05:34, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

Sub-Header Names
Is the wording used for the sub-headers "Canon Hand Seals" and "Non-Canon Hand Seals" most appropriate? Of course most readers know what is intended in the terminology that is currently used. After reading through the site's canon policy however it seems as if another wording could be used to denote these hand seals. The term "Non-Canon" could be interpreted as the "N-Canon" group presented in the canon policy page. According to the policy, most ideas presented in the anime or in movies can be shown as canon in articles provided that they do not contradict anything given in a higher level of canon. Dayshwon1998 (talk) 00:11, January 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * Maybe the terms "Manga Canon" and "Non-Manga Canon" are more appropriate for these sections as to avoid confusion with the canon policy? Dayshwon1998 (talk) 18:45, January 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * Normally, real life terms shouldn't be used like that in the articles, since we document everything, regardless of where it appeared. A way to work around using these terms is using something like "In the anime", for example. • Seelentau 愛 議 18:47, January 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * That is understandable; it just seems a little unfair to label something that wasn't observed in the manga as non-canon. Is it even necessary to separate them into two sections? Maybe it would seem more appropriate to simply distinguish the form of media (manga, anime, novel, etc.) as each hand seal is introduced. Dayshwon1998 (talk) 18:57, January 14, 2017 (UTC)
 * They should be kept separate, some hand seals were only shown in one media, so that would be problematic if they were merged as you proposed. Just change them to "Manga Hand-Seals" and "Other Hand Seals" instead.---Sajuuk 19:04, January 14, 2017 (UTC)

Magnet Release Seal
When Sasori activates first releases the Iron Sand from the Third Kazekage puppet in chapter 268, he forms the Dog seal. Could this be taken as indication the Dog seal is associated with Magnet Release in a similar fashion as Yamato's Snake seal is associated with Wood Release? Arcadia warlic (talk) 19:40, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Of course not. This was a single instance of this seal being used for a single Magnet Release jutsu. The snake seal on the other hand is consistently shown to be present, usually as the last seal, when Wood Release jutsu is used. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:28, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Hiruzen one-handed seal?
When Hiruzen summons a fūma shuriken against Obito (chapter #639 [~page 6], episode #378), he seems to be using a seal with one hand. Should he be added to the list of such users? Arcadia warlic (talk) 07:32, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks just like a Seal of Confrontation to me. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:00, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The Seal of Confrontation is used to invokve jutsu, such as with Explosive Clay and Super Beast Imitating Drawing. Arcadia warlic (talk) 08:14, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Yeah seems he summoned the shuriken using the hand seal. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 20:40, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
 * So if Deidara and Sai are listed as one-handed seal users for the Seal of Confrontation, should Hiruzen not be as well? Arcadia warlic (talk) 11:26, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

One-handed seal users
I've noticed that over the years, we came to list quite a few shinobi as people capable of using one-handed seals. However, it appears many of these are listed solely on account of the Seal of Confrontation. Since this seal is one-handed to begin with, I do not believe its use denotes the supposed skill that one-handed seal use is meant to represent. As such, if a one-handed seal user is so listed solely on account of Seal of Confrontation, I propose removing them from the list, unless a reference can be provided for them using one-handed seals that aren't the SoC. Thoughts? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:29, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd agree with that. Kakashi remarks that Haku is the first he's ever seen doing that, which should mean it's rare, or even beyond rare given Kakashi's career. Yet there are currently 25 listed in the article, Kakashi among them. I realize the series walked back some things from early in the series, but I don't think it's ever walked this skill back.
 * Out of curiosity, have one-handed seals been commented upon in-universe since Haku? I can't remember any. ~SnapperTo 04:56, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure if they have in they have been commented in manga. They might have been commented in some anime-only filler. I definitely recall a novel mention of Naruto adapting the shadow clone hand seal for one-handed use during a period before he got his Hashirama cell prosthetic. There was also a very explicit instance in anime (and maybe manga, I don't recall if that was original or adapting) of Sasuke making Chidori hand seals while also holding his sword. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:25, 11 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I believe that was during Gaiden, when Sasuke fought a shin clone. I agree with removing the use of the seal of confrontation as a one-hand seal, due to common and initiation only usage. Ninja Of War (talk) 19:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I removed the examples I was confident removing, and added a hidden notice not to add SoC examples, among a few other miscellaneous updates. If they're mentioned in character articles, I'll remove the mentions there as well. Noteworthy cases:
 * Itachi's referenced example looks like it could be SoC, but not quite all the way there, and it looks lopsided. Could go either way for me. Technically, it's genjutsu Itachi performing it inside Kabuto's Izanami loop. Kabuto knows he's about to perform Great Fireball, but it changes to Water Dragon Bullet. The thing genjutsu Itachi is doing does resemble the non-seal curved gesture the Uchiha do when blowing the fireball after finishing the seals. Does not seem to be the unsourced "half ox" mentioned in the "One-Handed Hand Seal" section.
 * I removed Koji Kashin, because while he didn't use SoC, he didn't actually perform a seal at all. The reference was for when he summoned a toad to escape Isshiki, but he didn't make any seal, he just activated the jutsu when he already had his palm to the ground. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 08:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)