Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36019309-20190114073523/@comment-34656247-20190126040049

JamesSenpai wrote: I never said I think he can. What I said, is there any proof he hasn't changed. And yes, I did do it again. Because you keep acting like you're the creator. Who are you to say who can and can't break Itachi's NORMAL Genjutsu without any proof? Your argument relies on a character feat that happened over 11 years prior. I didn't say Bee could break it, but I did say you have no evidence that he can't. How you feel is irrelevant in a factual debate. tf.. Did you seriously think i'm talking about normal genjutsu? the entire discussion is about tsukuyomi. You keep posting the statements by kishimoto about the uchiha's breaking tsukuyomi, yet Killer Bee isn't an Uchiha with the sharingan so why ohhhhhhh wyyyyyyyyyyy are you having so much trouble in just saying he can't beat tsukuyomi? you're just very thinly denying the authors statements.I never said that you said he can break it, it's just that you're not accepting that he can't...My proof is the same databook statement you keep using. What's yours?

Why are you lying??? As for the word concurrently. If you actually read my posts and this thread, you would know that me and War debated it already. I thought only Uchihas had the ability to break it. But War disagreed and said concurrently in this case means "at that time" which i accepted as valid. To be more precise it means at the same time which means at this particular time. What the hell is in the quotation marks..i dont understand. What does it prove?..still it doesn't change the fact that 'at that time' wasn't mentioned by Itachi or Kishimoto. '''Sharingan is the Kekkei Genkai of the clan labeled as the most powerful, the Uchiha clan. Even among those who have Sharingan, that jutsu cannot be operated without having Mangekyou, which is its culminating point. Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors''' is the full text from the dbook, the use of concurrently (meanings: At the same time/Simultaneously) refers to the very few first lines of the writer speaking about sharingan needing to cast tsukuyomi and it also being the jutsu's weakness. To put it simply "The Sharingan is needed to cast tsukuyomi, at the same time the jutsu can be broken also by the sharingan" is how i see it.

Why do I need to show what Kakashi said when someone above my post already did by quoting him? I know what Kakashi said, me and brand were obviously discussing it which you would know if you bothered to read before replying. You can literally see the quote I repleid too that literally says what Kakashi said and him saying moment. So... Yes a moment just means a brief period of time. Could be anywhere from a minute to an instant. The argument you are butting in, is the illusion instant? Based off the evidence you provided yourself, it is not. 1 billionth of a second is a nanosecond. A nanosecond does not happen at 0. It happens at 0.0000000001. Instant in it's adjective form happens at 0. Of course people question if that novel and various others are canon since Kishimoto only illustrated them and were written by various authors without being said to be supervised by Kishimoto. If you can prove the writer supervised them, then you can prove they're canon. I don't know much about the novels so I won't say they are or not canon. But so far i don't see anything that shows me the illusion of Tsukuyomi happens instantly.
 * Yoou showed a scan that was convenient to your argument in which you were saying tsukuyomi is 1 sec or more, with the scan supporting your argument when asuma said one sec itachi was talking and next sec kakashi dropped, yayyyy. Smart move. But not a fair one. The exact statement of the speed of tsukuyomi in the novel isone one-hundredth of one one-thousandth of one one-millionth of that of the real world 1/100,000,000,000th of a second and to back this up Kakashi in the ORIGINAL manga said that i see....three days in that realm and LESS than a moment passed in this one.So it's definitely not exact instant but just still under a second is what i'll agree to now. Even if we were to somehow ignore this and work with asuma's statement do know that Kakashi has to take time to drop to the ground, which makes asuma's statement less reliable to get the exact speed of tsukuyomi in this case. All that aside, with that much speed, do remember Itachi wasn't trying to kill him...
 * In the manga Obito stated that Itachi killed his girlfriend, and he indeed did so in the novel. Kishimoto isn't a novelist, he's just a manga artist so that should explain it.

Flatzone wrote: @Jason, unless the Author section also says Kishimotos name in it then we cannot confirm the canonicity of the book until a statement is given saying either way for each book and as you can see Kishi is not the author on these Shinden and Hiden books. The book doesn't contradict the manga, Obito stated that Itachi killed his gf and indeed he did in the novel, Kishimoto can't be listed as an author without legally being one..he's just a manga artist, so he is instead listed as the creator.