Board Thread:Boruto Discussions/@comment-5085906-20170430152255/@comment-4961229-20170516181547

Thekillman wrote: Oh surely he knew some medical ninja. Almost certainly the ones that died at Obito's hands. Based on what evidence? Thekillman wrote: So everything has to be directly stated in the manga for it to be true? Are we not allowed to think for ourselves? There are plenty of times in the Manga where it shows in stead of telling, or where it implies things it doesn't elaborate on. The manga provides facts. We can interpret those facts to see connections the author intended. We can build a structure beyond the mere words shown, because logic still applies. Oh no. However, the thoughts, logic, etc must be based on concrete evidence from the manga, if you're presenting it as fact, as you have been. If you're speculating, the sky's the limit! I have no problem with speculation, as long as you admit that's what it is. Thekillman wrote: Besides, ever since Minato split Kurama it seemed fairly obvious to me that it was intended as a backup for Naruto in case that plot thread was ever needed. The resealing thing was obviously intended as a dramatic reveal (Kurama tells Gaara but it's only shown two or so chapters later) and it would be an extremely shitty one if he just outright said "well it can be survived". Not much drama in that. With regular people instantly dying upon extraction and the Uzumaki mostly extinct, it's clear to me that this was intended to be obscure information to begin with. Your headcanon can be as fairly obvious to you as you want it to be. Just don't tell me that that's not what it is. What seems fairly obvious to me is that Kishi didn't have that much planned out that early. We're talking somewhere across chapters 300s when Jiraiya talked about that. Thekillman wrote: The Manga had cases before where in-universe information was limited or incorrect. Remember Madara's backstory? We've had 3-4 in-universe revisions due to revelations, lies and incorrect assumptions. The juubi, the Rinnegan, the tablet, hagoromo, Kaguya. Meanwhile, we had numerous completely consistent dialogue and depictions of bijuu extraction, then one magical outlier starts the ball rolling in the opposite direction. Thekillman wrote: In this specific case, Konoha may not have been aware of the resealing effect, since you know it never came up and that information isn't magically gained. Kurama would obviously know the full extent of his own power since he's 1000 years old, but Konoha had a handful of Kurama jinchuriki and Kushina was the first to have it extracted in a non-controlled manner. If she'd sealed Kurama again, that would be the first indication it was possible. Every other village was seeing their jinchuriki drop dead on Biju extraction with no exceptions (Since Uzumaki exclusively dealt with Konoha and Konoha kept it a secret). This is a rational argument. However, it still doesn't make sense that they wouldn't even consider the possibility. If they were so short on knowledge as you say, why would it be so embedded in their minds that it's not possible? And it certainly doesn't make sense that Minato wouldn't attempt to do everything to save his wife and perserve their jutsu. Instead he just removes them both from the battlefield of life. No. It's clear Kishi wrote himself into a corner and chose the only way out, a retcon.

Thekillman wrote: That assumes Kushina would survive her Sealing technique. We've seen that people can cast a final technique yet die in the process (IE Kakashi's chakra was low, he used Kamui and died from the after-effects). So even if she was aware, her levels would be too low to seal Kurama and survive long enough for the resealing effect to kick in. We already saw Minato couldn't seal the Full Kurama (hence the Reaper Jutsu). Except, Minato had enough chakra to summon the scroll toad, cast Shiki Fuin to seal half the kyuubi, and seal the other Kyuubi half with both his remaining chakra and Kushina's into Naruto. The Death God is a high level jutsu. If instead he would've used the chakra for that particular jutsu to give Kushina extra chakra to live and get to medical nins, then his wife, who had enough chakra to seal the whole Kyuubi herself, as well as, he himself could've both survived. We know he could've done this because he knew the method for giving other people chakra that they can use as their own. How do we know? Because Kurama told us so. Thekillman wrote: it seems to me you made the resealing effect a retcon in your own headcanon because you disliked it. All the stuff i say is not contradicted by the Manga. It's not the first time in-universe knowledge is revealed to be false, for actual reasons. In this case the reasons are due to the nature of jinchuriki programs, or due to established effects of chakra exhaustion. Except I didn't make anything else I didn't like a retcon. I didn't like the Obito Reveal. I didn't call it a retcon. I didn't like Minato's FTG being a hand-me-down from Tobirama. I didn't call it a retcon. I didn't like the Rinnegan being an evolution of the Sharingan (or the Sharingan a devolution). I didn't call it a retcon. Clearly, your theory that I call something a retcon because I don't like it has some flaws in it. Obviously, I must have some other criteria for deciding if something is a retcon.

No it's not the first time. However, it is one of the times in universe knowledge was changed for ass pull reasons. Chakra exhaustion was not the original reason for Jinchuuriki death upon extraction. That wouldn't even make any sense. Obito is dying. Talking about dying. Everybody agrees he's dying, yet he had chakra right up till the very end. Thekillman wrote: I also don't see why you don't understand that Minato had no time to get a medical ninja. Read the Manga, and point out to me at what point he could've gotten a medical ninja. Unless you want to imply that Minato would be a heartless bastard that would sacrifice the lives of hundreds if not thousands to buy his wife some time, with questionable survival chances. And I don't see why you don't understand that it's impossible that he was too low on time to get medical attention.

And I also don't see why you don't understand the fact that 1) he had time, 2) he's not a heartless bastard and would definitely try everything possible to save his wife, 3)he didn't have to sacrifice anybody that was not already sacrificed, 4) doing what he did put the village in jeopardy for the next 17 years, due to loss of two critical jutsus: FTG and Adamantine Sealing Chains (not to mention all that Uzumaki knowledge down the toilet), and 5) for all the above reasons plus others I've stated elsewhere, it had to be a retcon.