Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-33286580-20180609133213/@comment-33286580-20180611133450

Thekillman wrote: He has also copied shadow clone from Naruto. But it's irrelevant how often he used it. The fact is, he used it.

he could have or could not have copied Shadow Clone. over the years throughout the Naruto series he was never shown to use it. he only used it during Boruto. by then he was very much a part of Konoha. if Kiba could be allowed to learn the jutsu so why couldnt he.

Thekillman wrote: Madara copied Hashirama's techniques, as he demonstrated in Edo form. And that's just what we know.

Sharingan cannot copy Kekkei Genkai skills. the only reason he was able to use Mokuton was because of the Hashi-boob. he in his time at Konoha probably was privy to Hashirama's jutsu and such learnt about them.

Thekillman wrote:

Not what i meant. What i meant is, the Six paths of Pain technique was Nagato's own jutsu. Did Obito simply re-invent that jutsu, or was it copied via his sharingan. I'm not talking about whatever Madara taught him, like yin-yang release, powerful genjutsu or whatever.

Madara taught him everything. even you say so. the man could barely move around at that time, let alone use anything powerful.

Thekillman wrote:

Mifune was in fact placed in Kotoamatsukami. Shisui could manipulate people without their knowledge via Kotamatsukami.

than it completely contradicts what we know of Koto. it is the absolute Genjutsu, which cannot be broken yet here it was broken. so no it was Sharingan Genjutsu.

BlazeRelease wrote: So disincluding the special cases, that are Sasuke, Madara, Obito, Itachi and Shisui. You ask what do these other shinobi's posses in terms of skill and power tp be regarded as high?

Well they kind of are rivalled against a clan that are basically pure talented and pure chakra reservers. And all that, while holding back a super powerful reality warping jutsu, Izanagi.

The average Uchiha, in my opinion would be between the power and skill levels of Chunnin Sasuke and Hebi Sasuke(Note:I'm not including their curse marks here), but it would be too much to say, that they would be close to the level of Hebi Sasuke. Just in between the power/skill frame from his chunnin version.

If we disinclude the Reincarnations of Indra, that are Madara and Sasuke and the village genius/prodigies Shisui and Itachi, and the student and Hashi cell user, Obito. We still have Itachi's dad, who was more powerful than him and Madara's brother who was equal to his strength back then. So, in a way, the Potentiel of the Uchiha are pretty high, especially when they are handicapped with the restiction of Izanagi.

Well, these are just my own honest opinion.

Izanagi - they did had a great reality wraping ninjutsu, but without the Hashi cells it could be only used for seconds. it would save them from death, but lead to loss of an eye in a battle which becomes a great handicap in battle. it is a double edge sword.

I would say average Uchiha are level of Chunin exams Sasuke, no doubt. but Hebi Sasuke is a far stretch. they are without a doubt better than your normal shinobi, but in regard to your average clan shinobi, they probably are on the same level.

Uchiha have great potential. it is why there are some great shinobi amongst them. but not everyone manifests these potentials.

Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote: They were powerful enough to match Senju who were a balanced group: proficient in all arts. Though I agree, Itachi's Genjutsu Power is due to his talent, not the Sharingan's.

and again not every great Senju was on par with the likes of Tobirama or Hashirama. and in the era of these two there were likes of Madara and Izuna to hold them back from anihilating the Uchiha.

the very last fight where kid Hashirama and Madara parted ways, you could see that kid Tobirama and Izuna matched up with their parents in terms of speed. the parents were all but clashing with kunai. it is here to have advantage over the other they attacked the other's kid, so those era wasnt riddled with clean fights at all. shinobi would do anything to give them advantage over their opponents, even killing children.