Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-30355627-20170312130432/@comment-734582-20170312223520

Orochimaru wasn't really nerfed, he was winning hard against Hiruzen before being struck by a technique he couldn't see. He also didn't know about the technique. Although he was powerful even without his hands, it nevertheless greatly increased the degradation of his body. There seemed to be no real downside to inhabiting a body when he fought Hiruzen but once his hands were lost, it degraded quite rapidly. When he was about to take Sasuke he was bedridden.

Nevertheless, he's the only character with immortality that doesn't rely on rare and external powers.

Kakashisologod wrote: What about absorbtion ability?He took the hits witch he nearly died from and didnt fight naruto and sasuke making him look weak. He nevertheless survived: he took no hit he couldn't survive, not even against Eight gates. Looking weak is an opinion: Madara nevertheless was winning.

We don't really know the limitations of Madara's dojutsu. We know from Pain (and Sasuke) that certain abilities have cooldowns that scale with their power. It's possible Madara couldn't absorb lava Rasenshuriken because he just sent out his Limbo. Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: momoshiki... Momoshiki wasn't very lucky, as he fought two ninja who were also very capable with Ninjutsu.

Also, keep in mind that the exact wording was "a greater threat" than Kaguya, not "stronger than".