Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-142748-20150410212019/@comment-142748-20150413060749

Trappedinmygenjutsu wrote: You are clearly mistaking people who can use genjutsu and genjutsu specialists. Madara and Sasuke are able to use genjutsu, but both tend to not use it during combat (due to not being comfortable using it) and tend to rely on ninjutsu throughout most of their battles. Only Sasuke, Shisui and maybe Kurenai come close to the level of genjutsu that Itachi uses on a regular basis. Madara uses genjutsu in combat. We see him use genjutsu in combat! He downed a KAGE with genjutsu, remember, one which would normally be immune to it? Sasuke uses genjutsu in combat several times over and equaled Itachi's usage of it, its just his Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu can't manipulate time like Itachi's Tsukuyomi. Shisui's a superior genjutsu user to Itachi by Itachi's own admission, and Kurenai was Itachi's equal.

Hashirama, being a member of the Senju Clan is trained in all three shinobi arts so he is very versatile. He used an extremely high level genjutsu on Hiruzen, remember? Itachi's whole fighting style is based on his prowess with genjutsu. Itachi can use genjutsu to: immobilize opponent's, trick the opponent into thinking they have landed a decisive blow, cause his opponent to use their own jutsu on themselves, deal traumatic mental damage to his opponent, disguise his movements, and reverse other genjutsu used against himself. That is much more variety in the type of genjutsu that he has used compared to any other character in the series and Hashirama has no way, to be prepared for the barrage of genjutsu that he would have to face against Itachi Uchiha. Even though he faced an arguably superior genjutsu user on a regular basis, the strongest of the Uchiha, etc.? Even though Hashirama is a accomplished genjutsu user? Even though he has high chakra control and intelligence, genjutsu's counters (remember Jiraiya's lesson on how to counter genjutsu?)?

You're making him out to be more special than he really is. Its an inflation of what Itachi can really do.

Trappedinmygenjutsu wrote: You ask how does Hashirama lose to Itachi? It is simple, if at any point Hashirama is caught in a genjutsu or is distracted for a second than Itachi's Totsuka blade will seal him for eternity. And Hashirama should be able to break it. Any shinobi of his caliber should be able to break Itachi's genjutsu. And Itachi's Totsuka blade takes a LOT longer than a 'second' to manifest. It took several panels for it to manifest in life, remember?