Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-25531508-20140923043228/@comment-25077020-20140924015815

ItachiWasAHero wrote: Hiruzen at 69 was a 3rd tier in stamina/chakra just like Kakashi was at 30, who at that time was in a hospital bed from using kamui what.. twice? and that was considered terribly pitiful compared to his prime, his own summoning AND orochimaru commented on how much weaker he was compared to his prime self. Orochimaru admitted he had no chance if Hiruzen was just 10 years younger. This was Oro with both arms and ready for war and ready to kill... and we still were never shown Hiruzen's prime abilities so why is everyone just adding their own assumptions as facts?? when the databooks and manga give us facts, we should go by them in most cases and the fact is Prime Hiruzen was the strongest kage ever.

So what if his chakra levels were immense? so were hashirama's. So are naruto's. This proves nothing. And as I've already said above a severely weakened hashirama + tobirama and an orochimaru who did nothing but watch for most of the fight does not equate to hashirama being at his actual level.

Also no one's adding their own assumptions. These are based off of manga FACTS. You can't pick and choose whichever one's you like. So either kishi is contradicting himself again or he changed his mind. Pick whichever one you like. I choose the latter (until kishi again reaffirms that hiruzen is stronger)