Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20170610192426/@comment-31099706-20170617100400

I'm sorry for my late reply, but I don't want to waste what I wrote.

@Vladosaurus. Clearly Kinshiki would have the most strength. But strength and speed does not actually present any much value, since we know that it's all how much power(chakra) you give into the attack rather than anything.

Yes, Kinshi did cut a God tree with his axe and also damaged a stadium nicely. But just think of that situation. He was totally able to focus all his chakra at once, seeing that his other attacks didn't showcase that much power. His best attack is indeed stronger than Sasuke's sword attack. But not always, only when he has the sweet time to focus all that.

And this would be DBZ logic if we take a character's strength for his durability. Kinshi is very durable, but not to the point that Sasuke couldn't land a succesful hit. Check the Naruto and Sasuke vs Kimo Movie fight.

Don't know if it's actually a chidori though. Remember, Sasuke know's that he shouldn't use ninjutsus atleast not when Kimo notices it.

@Lorenzo. Sasuke is faster than mostly anyone now with his natural speed. has Kirin,chidori stream,Chidori sharp Spear, chidori senbon, Fire release jutsus, and if I remember rightly he used chidori to destroy meteorite without a sharingan, He has summoning, he has shadow clone jutsu, immense strength,immense speed, masterful taijutsu skills, masterful weopen skills, chakra control(level of Sage),intellegence and all these jutsus and skills I mentioned are now at a whole dimensional level difference from how he used it before. And who knows what other jutsus he learned from his travels and his own abilities and skills.

Sharingan and Rinnegen are just weopens/tools for Sasuke. It doesn't power him up or something. It just eases things up. The list of skills and power I mentioned above already make him in the top best without a sharingan.

And I would like to point out that when people say Base Naruto, that's mainly him using his own chakra. I don't really think he could manage a thousand clones without Kurama's aid, which indirectly switches off to his base mode.

After Naruto became a perfect jinchuriki, Kurama just powers him up even at his base. He necessarily doesn't need to use a mode to use Kurama chakra but he would need it to increase his own strength and power from that chakra.

@Rachin123. Shinobi's already shown a super human amount of durability. Naruto's more durable at his strongest state, that's for sure. But Sasuke is also durable, with his Six paths chakra enhancing his abilities.

Though to be more specific. I would point out the Gaara vs Sasuke fight, where Sasuke survived through alot of crashing over trees by a jinchuriki. He also shown to have a very pain endurance as he was able to spam Susanoo at his MS which causes pain even at his cells, even at a non stop serious battle against kages.

And don't forget the Naruto vs Sasuke vote 2 battle, where Sasuke was taking on hits from Naruto and even got crushed at a cliff which he still got up for a final chidori. So no, it's not that surprising to see someone improve from that state after 15 years with training or does he even need training to be that durable?

Well atleast there's Naruto and Sasuke in this debate though. And since we are in need of using Base Naruto and Sasuke, we need to decide on what their base actually are. Well in any event, Sasuke and Naruto at their adult state can easily take on three if the sannin alone (Kakashi's dad was mentioned to be stronger than them and Hanzo was stronger than them, well even if they were young at that time). So I don't evnn why there's only two of them.