Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-142748-20150410212019/@comment-142748-20150411051724

ItachiWasAHero wrote: No, nowhere at all does it state Madara has the same or better genjutsu prowess as Itachi, that is your assumption alone. Not any assumption. Madara has the better feats than Itachi. He did the exact same thing as Itachi does with Tsukuyomi with a base Sharingan, that has to be emphasized. Itachi was said by his own father to be different, Chiyo who fought countless Uchiha said he was different/special/dangerous for an Uchiha. Fugaku was referring how Itachi was more distant to the clan than other members. Thats why he was different. It had nothing to do with ability.

And that's because Chiyo had no knowledge of the Mangekyo. That's why Kakashi said he was a bit more dangerous than the average Uchiha even though her strategy was still valid. Hashirama on the other hand has decades worth of experience fighting it. He was capable of beating Orochimaru at age 15 by himself with Genjutsu and a Kunai alone, he is not any ordinary Uchiha and he isn't some inexperienced noob. An Orochimaru who wasn't anywhere near his full power and was holding back in an attempt to take Itachi's body. Given Orochimaru can regenerate, severing his arm didn't end the battle. And no one is saying he's a 'noob', you're underestimating Hashirama's own wealth of experience fighting Mangekyo users. He has fought Uchiha himself and Kisame who has a fuck ton of chakra said that he couldn't beat Itachi, Thats because Kisame is completely powerless against genjutsu, doesn't mean he'd try to fight Itachi though. Kisame also alluded to the fact that Itachi could beat Jiraiya as when they were retreating he said it shouldn't be necessary for Itachi at least. Funny how Itachi was completely worn out when Kisame said that and couldn't even maintain his Sharingan then, huh? Not very observant, don't you think?

Itachi put himself on Jiraiya's level if not slightly below. The best he could do, his own words, was a stalemate. Madara, Izuna, Itachi, Sasuke are the top Uchiha period with Obito and Shisui under them, every other Uchiha is average compared to them. ...Obito's higher than Itachi you know that right? Itachi was with him for years and couldn't even figure out he wasn't Madara OR figure out a way to beat his Kamui. And Obito's genjutsu was also higher than Itachi's since he could control a perfect Jinchuriki for years, and said genjutsu's strength was compared to Kotoamatsukami by Ao. Itachi is weaker than him, the manga showed several times. Wait a second, are you putting Itachi over EMS Sasuke even after he had achieved by Legged Susano'o and Complete Body - Susano'o?

And Hashirama still wins.