Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-38812954-20190922182317/@comment-33286580-20190923193841

@Flat

i certainly did not.

the idea is just bizzare. You keep DMS Obito. it works. he could see Rin die sometimes during the war and awakens it.

but you cannot take away Hashi DNA and SP chakra and keep Madara in the picture. that does not work. so that already leaves him out of an immense pool of knowledge.

Yes. Madara too would be feeling taxed by the MS and Susanoo, but Madara has greater Chakra and because of being Indra reincarnation it will not be that bad on him as it would on Obito.

AS for Hashi cells. remember that Danzo only got an arm which he used to keep 10 or Sharingan on him. One freaking Sharingan was taxing on Kakashi. Danzo had 10. something had to keep them going. and that was Hashi power.

As for Yamato. he was a failed experiment. he may have lived and gotten Mokuton, but in did he truly acquire even a droplet of Hashi power.

Obito did get powered up. the fact is proven by how his MS never goes blind and he can spam Kamui.

I dont even need to talk how massive SP power up is.

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@FWT

Yes. Obito without Hashi cells was a kid. true. But i am trying to make a point here. See. for DMS Obito to exist he either has to be end of the manga Obito or we make up a scenario for Obito existing with DMS from the begining. that means he did not get crushed in the mission and didnt given Kakashi his eye. i wrote above, but all he would next need is seeing Rin dead in the war.

the OP says that no Hashi cells and no SP chakra so that is the only possible way for it exist. because in cannon he got MS after his Hashi transplant. so it is no no scenario.

Even if they do use Susanoo, given Madara's original high level he should have the advantage.

even if we dont take Itachi's example, even Sasuke was considered a genius. he had a higher levels of CHakra and stamina. the young Sasuke would stomp young Obito. and Sasuke is Indra incarnation like Madara so he gets the sheer advantage by that alone.

first of all, you all seem to forget Obito's backstory. you see Obito probably was not close to most Uchiha. the guys parents were dead. so no one was teaching him anything special. Even Minato didnt look like he taught Obito anything special. i mean the fact that Kakashi was already using Chidori means he knew Rasengan, but there is no mention of Obito ever learning Rasengan or any other Jutsu from Minato.

most students surpassed their teachers because they were taugth special Jutsu and they took it to new levels. Naruto with Rasenshuriken or Sasuke with CHidori. and they are the only ones who surpassed their teachers. Kakashi didnt. Sakura is a deabatable one. the Sannin didnt. Hiruzen didnt. only few ever did and those were extremely special people. Obito was nothing special.

Again the same point. Kid Obito met Madara. he awakened MS after rehabilitation.that means he had Hashi cells in him. Madara put in him to save his life. this goes against versus debate. So Obito should not be meeting Madara.

i made a point about Danzo above.

and no Madara was certainly powered up Hashi cells. but the Madara, even before taking Izuna's eyes went toe on toe with Hashirama. So what is your point.

Yes. Kamui will give problem. but if you cant use it more than once or twice it will not be a game changer.

Again, because of the OP scenario, Madara shouldnt meet Obito. so he does not know about Kamui. or probably he would because it got a name that Obito certainly didnt invent and it has mention in the Uchiha library or stone tablet or something. who knows.

No. again Madara without awakening Sharingan was the ace of Uchiha as a child. and taking away his MS you are already taking away the vs.

the flaw is the versus itself.

You see we have to make a completely new scenario because of OPs restriction. so it gets confusing. you cannot just un know what you know of Obito. it is like writing a fan fiction of all things