Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-46828725-20200910033310/@comment-35409024-20200920044727

BloodOfTheArchon wrote: First off, the DB4's context is on him as an Edo and him as a TTJ besides the few lines dedicated to their VotE fight. The entire page made that clear.

Not when it comes to the VOTE point and that's the point of it. Madara was on par with Hashirama during VOTE according to Kishimoto himself. Period.

BloodOfTheArchon wrote: Secondly Madara never once fought Tobirama nor kept up with him before he had taken Hashirama's Sage Mode so wrong again. Thirdly Tobirama and Izuna's speed were never compared, Izuna had Sharingan to make up for his speed loss against Tobirama anyway and Tobirama still killed him.

It was said Izuna and Tobirama fought on equal footing. In order to fight on equal footing with someone who is fast, you, yourself have to be fast enough. Sharingan also does not give one speed. Why are you making things up? It just gives them the ability to see things that are transpiring. It can detect fast movement, doesn't make the user any faster. This is stated from the gecko when Lee turfed Sasuke and told him it didn't matter if he could see his moves, his Sharingan didn't give him speed.

BloodOfTheArchon wrote: Kakashi was never on Itachi's level, that headcanon needs to stop already. It's not a headcanon. You stated no one can use edo tensei feats for Madara, well I'm saying the same for Itachi. And because of that, Itachi has no feats that put him far above Kakashi, if he does, then state them.

BloodOfTheArchon wrote: Madara at VotE knew he would lose so he had Izanagi ready, despite having Kurama with him but the databook likes to leave that out but of course you don't want to mention that. But sure keep up with these bad arguments. Writer > You. Man, imagine thinking your word alone holds more value than the creator of the series. Doesn't matter what Madara had and what he had prepared, still fought Hashirama evenly and was on his level according to the writer. If you don't like it, take it up with Kishimoto cause idc, facts are facts. Nothing you can say will change what Kishimoto said because his word is law in this series, not yours. If he wanted Naruto to be a little lizard, you would have no power to stop that from happening cause you have nothing to do with the series. Period.

The Chicken Sin of Stupidity wrote: I don't remember Itachi and Obito ever fighting lol. I remember Obito being fearful of Itachi though. Also remember a 12 year old Itachi telling Obito (Whom he thought was Madara), "It's not a matter of whether I can kill you. I will kill you." Don't recall Obito ever being afraid of Itachi. Chapter? However, I do remember Itachi calling him his mentor, an immortal, and someone who he /will/ surpass thus claiming inferiority since he stated he did not surpass the one he thought was Madara yet. This was when he and Sasuke are about to fight and Sasuke is asking about Madara. The Chicken Sin of Stupidity wrote: Tbh, other than Obito, even Sage Kabuto beats EMS Madara (Totally expecting you to think this is BS).

Mmm, I can see that. Sage Kabuto is literally a human chimera of amazing Shinobi all wrapped in one. It took a plot jutsu to take him down. I can see this version of Kabuto competing with the likes of Hashirama and Madara. I'd have to read back up on him and his abilities before that conclusion though.

The Chicken Sin of Stupidity wrote: I saw how Madara fought vs Hashirama, and I've seen on numerous occasions how Itachi's fought, (Prime, pseudo, sick, Edo). Itachi just clearly wins having his feats applied in a versus battle with VOTE Madara, and of course yes, in those few minutes you mention for a fact to. As have I. The only thing extraordinary about Itachi when it comes to this fight is his Genjutsu. His weak reserves pretty much inhibit anything spectacular about him. The Chicken Sin of Stupidity wrote: Vast difference between Gaara and Madara. Also. Aiming toward his face, or an exposed part of his body, is a different story. Yea there is a vast difference. Gaara's sand is slower and still blocked it. Madara can avoid it. The Chicken Sin of Stupidity wrote: Can't see how his chakra was low. Now I know you don't know this series. That's literally been stated throughout the series. Itachi has bad reserves. Even a single Mangekyo usage is tiresome for him. Three make his Sharingan go off and he would need to sleep to regain his strength.