Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31337598-20180202202814/@comment-34223563-20180205082537

Thekillman wrote: Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: a defeat is when u win. minato didn't win. he had to die. its totally different from kaguya's case. there was no sacrifice, or "terms" to be followed. A defeat is when you fail to accomplish your goals. A Victory is when you accomplish your goals. Whether you live or die is irrelevant. Hiruzen may have lost the battle, but his sacrifice won the war. Minato died, but he accomplished what he wanted, namely both stopping the Kyubi, ensuring it was still within Konoha's care while also nurturing a new Jinchuriki that may one day control it's power.

In those terms, it was a resounding success.

AsianReaper wrote: '''He didn't need to summon the Reaper. He could have just sealed all of Kurama back into Kushina with Eight Trigrams'''

I've said that 3 times before, but it doesn't seem to stick. He had no issues transferring Kurama to Naruto when he was an Edo, nor did he have any trouble sealing the remains in Naruto when he was alive. And as you mentioned, Kushina could've had the whole Biju resealed. So yea, i think it's fairly clear he could've sealed the whole of Kurama.

Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: no. I don't think u got what I meant. or they meant, btw. it basically says that out of all the sandaime KAGES from all villages, hiruzen was the strongest. this puts him above the 3rd raikage, and ohnoki. that's what I mean.... thanks vlad. finally someone on my side... I think.. not too sure just yet... The 3rd Raikage runs at people really fast. Ohnoki is strong, but also insanely fragile. What we've seen of Hiruzen, he has a whole arsenal of jutsu, virtually perfect control over 5 elements, battle intelligence etc. He's far better rounded than those other two. So yea, i see why Hiruzen was considered the strongest.

No he couldnt have sealed the whole of Kurama. Minato sealed the dangerous part of Kurama into himself,the Yang Part. He put the less dangerous part in Naruto,the Yin part into Naruto.Hiruzen was declared the strongest in his generation. Minato would also win against Ohnoki but I dont think against the Third Raikage. The Third Raikage runs really fast as well as he has the Invincible Spear. Naruto had to beat the Third Raikage with Sage Mode but Minato sucks at that. Back to the question again,I wonder how will Minato do anything when he gets catched into Chibaku Tensei. There's no knowledge so Minato won't know about skills Tendo might use. If he uses Chibaku Tensei, Minato's teleporation will be useless. Why? Minato is smart, but even if he would Mark some points on the ground, Chibaku Tensei is created in the air from such a big area, that wherever to his mark Minato teleports he will teleport from the inside of Chibaku Tensei to the inside of Chibaku Tensei.So...Nagato is the one who controls the 6 pains.When he used shinra tensei with tendo on Konoha,the other 5 pains were in a deep sleep in order for Nagato to focus on Tendo.That to be said,tendo's powers increases if he is the only one from the 6 pains who is fighting. Also,i want you to remember the moment when Tendo pushed and made KO 3x giant toads at once,with one Shinra tensei.If minato gets too close he will end up being heavily damaged just by that skill.Shinra tensei's range can be extended on will so Minato needs to do a surprise attack.

Dont forget that shinra tensei isnt Tendo's only defense. He can do and stay like this for few seconds,when needed:

His body is very resistant too,he took a hell of a punch from a 4 tails,his body has been throwed into every rock in the area,he was even planted in the ground with a huge rock,another punch that throwed him back like 200m,a beast bomb too,rasengan?Sure. And all this stuff after destroying a whole village.

Also,that water jutsu he has will slow down Minato because it will reduce his visibility and increase Tendo's speed,which is pretty good even if he doesnt surf around.

Chibaku Tensei ? Can work,since its area is pretty big and minato can teleport only where his marks are,and if the places that have his marks are absorbed too,he hasnt got too many solutions.

Also,tendo can fly,spam with rods,reflect ninjutsu.Banshoo ten'in can be oh help since it can destroy big areas.

Now,lets look at Minato. He had watched within Naruto when he was fighting Pain so he would have the knowledge,right? Minato could simply mark all the Six Paths of Pain with his Flying Thunder God Technique and transport them outside of Nagato's range of transmitting chakra and win automatically. Minato wins automatically despite Pain's Jutsu's.By the way,if Naruto has knowledge and defeated all the Pains then Minato can do it with his knowledge too.