Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180906233508

Vladosaurus wrote: Oh my God, somebody just close this thread already. Buddy, there is no reason, no mention, not even canonically or uncanonically brought up the fact that Naruto lost his powers. This is fucking bullshit. What proof do i have?

I have good news and bad news. Bad news is this rant you're on will be cut short, and that's because I have the proof you asked for which is the good news. Now asking for proof that naruto lost his 'powers' isnt specific, but what I have here is evidence Naruto lost his rikudo senjutsu as well as his source of that power. So hopefully that's what you meant.

Let's start with Kurama mode. Here is Naruto' 'Half' Kurama Mode and "Complete Kurama Mode". Here is hokge Naruto’ movie "Chakra Mode". Here is hokge Naruto' anime Kurama Mode.

All this evidence proves the involvement a single Biju, kurama. Naruto speaks only to kurama on the Biju psyche plane(multiple times), Momoshiki senses only Kurama inside naruto, and we also know momoshiki extracted chakra from only Kurama@4:40. I even shared a translation for the last guidebook about the form he used. It confirms that Naruto' war arc ksm and his ksm shown in the last are the same form. This definitively debunks his eyes being indicative of or exclusive to rsm. The eyes only tells us who is gathering the senjutsu. To recap, these are examples of only Kurama' power being used. Moving on.

Now let's look at rsm. Here naruto fist bumps biju and speaks on the biju psych plane, which is where he first aquires biju chakra other than Kurama. Fast forward to Naruto' and hagoromo' meeting, where among other things hagoromo states that Naruto has met multiple conditions required for the power he's about to receive. One of which he and Kurama agree on is having chakra from each Biju. He goes on to call them out by name, further recognizing their presence. Those same 9 biju were Naruto' condition for rikudo senjutsu. When their chakra is merged together it creates the juubi' chakra. When that happened, it essentially made Naruto a juubi jinchuriki because like Madara and Obito were Juubi jinchuriki themselves, he awakened rikudo senjutsu.

That should be clear enough for you to understand that Naruto lost juubi chakra and his source of juubi chakra. You should also be able to understand the OP more.

Naruto' former small amount of Biju chakra are greater than vestiges. By definition vestige means something is lost. Unless you about to claim that all Biju besides gyuki and kurama are lost, you must concede to the fact that the fragmented Biju chakra inside him is lost. What remains of them is a trace. This proves why they're function and usefulness has been reduced. Naruto can only communicate with them Gaara can with shukaku, and he barely proved capable of that. I recommend looking up the examples of small pieces and vestiges. Moving on

I already stated that yin-yang release has a single known source. That is rikudo senjutsu. You now know how he got that power. Shadow clones are equally capable as the original, I don't see how that helps your claim. Naruto' rikudo hand power required rikudo senjutsu for everything it did. I stated this already. Moving on.

Ive already proven TSOs can and do replenish. That proof is in my previous responses.

CombatIQmatters wrote: @everyone

I actually believe that Hagoromo has a fair point. We have to be consistent here. If it's true that naruto still has the other bijuu, then why is his cloak so different? If he doesn't have the bijuu, then you can argue that he is using SPSM + KCM. But this argument rests on the claim that SPSM is sort of an upgrade to basic sage mode, but then why would naruto bother using frog sage mode if he has access to SPSM, in the last? You can argue that the lack of pigmentation debunks the idea that he is using frog sage mode, but then again, there is still the unrefuted claim that when kurama gathers the nature energy, the pigmentation doesn't appear. In the last, naruto enters BSM practically instantly. It makes sense he can, because his skill with sage mode should be completely refined by now. IDK how you can prove that kurama was the one gathering energy in that fight. You can make the argument that SPSM overrides the pigmentation that normal sage mode provides, but again, this isn't consistent. RSM's hallmark is the ten tail coffin seal and having ridoku senjutsu. TSOs aren't a good indicator because the user doesn't always use them, madara wasn;t using TSO when he fought naruto and sasuke. Ridoku senjutsu's only confirmed source is having juubi chakra. I highly doubt that you can get it from other means, because by that logic madara should have gotten six paths sage mode the minute he absorbed hashirama's sage mode, since after all, he had had hagromo's chakra and senjutsu coursing through his body. So clearly, ridoku senjutsu can't simply be generated by mainly having six paths chakra and senjutsu chakra. You need the juubi chakra. Hagoromo gave him the mode, and while it doesn't state he needs the juubi chakra to use SPSM, this by itself can't be the case if you are claiming in the same sentence that RSM is the juubi power. Remember, Madara himself claimed that once he absorbed the juubi he was a user of RSM, even though this very wiki claims he isn't a user lol.

You could say that again in the 4SWW that naruto is using SPSM +KCM, but his KCM has a ten coffin seal and access to truth seeking orbs because he has all 9 tailed beast chakra, making him a juubi jinchuriki of sorts, and madara called this marker "six paths senjutsu". But if this is your claim, you would have to prove that six paths senjutsu isn't necessary to be in six paths sage mode, which doesn't make sense. So it's either naruto has the tailed beasts chakra in bortuo still and the cloak is a design error, or naruto doesn't have the other chakra anymore. You guys have to pick one. I'm glad you see my point(s) and I agree with most that you said except for the omittance of TSOs. Obito & Madara had them, that was a result of the being the juubi' jinchuriki, which novel evidence states Naruto essentially was. Madara fought at times without them because they either we're out of range or they disintergtated.