Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20170822151908/@comment-32569165-20170824102951

Hungry Ghost realm wrote: Mr. Grave wrote: Best user of body flicker =/= fastest person

Raikage used a version of body flicker that was accompanied by a Lightning Chakra Mode and he had to use it at full power to match Minato's reflexes, meaning Minato in base mode was just as fast as powered-up Raikage. So, obviously, he's not renowned as Konoha's Yellow Flash just because of his FTG mastery. If that was the case, he would have been subjected to the usual Naruto naming pattern and would have been named Minato of the FTG.

Also, can you refresh my memory - in which manga chapter did Itachi beat Shisui in 5/10 matches and where did Shisui say he will surpass him? Not saying Itachi's not fast. He's surely demonstrated speed feats before. But the fact that 14 year old Obito managed to keep up with Minato for a moment dictates that he's not without speed feats either. Shunshin is shunshin. No matter how you use it. Shisui had a natural mastery of shunshin while A had to empower his shunshin with lightning chakra. Its the same as a guy taking a shortcut and a guy doing it the hard way for the same goal. He was named yellow flash because of his ftg. He couldnt dodge raikage without ftg proving he is faster than minato. Shisui told" now we are equal" after defeating itachi in a match which means itachi defeated him 50% of matches before. He said itachi will surpass him when he gave him his eye and sasuke told fugaku and itachi are more powerful than shisui. The village selected itachi as double agent instead of shisui who was only willing to take the role. The databook says he was taken for his skills by the village instead of shisui so itachi is faster than shisui and minato and raikage so itachi speedblitzes obito and obito never kept up with 4th he had his spacetime evade his attacks, his spacetime is also faster than minato which minato acknowledges. Obito wouldnt touch itachi. How do I explain to you, that you're making shit up? Literally 99% of the things you have written don't exist. Of course Minato wouldn't be able to dodge the Raikage without the FR, but neither would Shisui, don't talk crap. Again what is this bs you're talking about with Itachi and Shisui fighting? This has NEVER happened.

I kind of stopped reading after this point, as you started spewing the biggest shit in the world "Itachi is stronger than Shisui, so he is faster than Shisui, this means he is faster than Raikage, this means he is faster than Minato, so he is faster than Obito and this means he is speed blitzing him". What. The. Fuck.

@Ninja_Of_War In terms of intelligence, it's hard to say. I think that Itachi is the better tactician out of the 2. Even Obito himself said "I can't believe how well he plans ahead". I'd put Itachi on par with Minato, Shikaku and Shikamaru in terms of tactical genius.

In terms of speed, it's hard to say. Neither of them has shown any impressive speed feats. Obito can travel from point A to point B faster than Itachi, but that's because he can manipulate space and time. I don't recall seeing him use the Body Flicker, ever. That being said, he natural reflexes were unrealistic as hell, just like Minato's. The reason as to why he was so good with Kamui, was because he could react insanely fast to attacks. In all honesty, Minato has been the only one to touch him in a fight, nobody else has done this, while he uses Kamui.