Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26403664-20160228225013/@comment-27660682-20160301021812

Gmanis41 wrote: @Quaking Star So you finally made some sort of contribution. TSB's are described to be beyond a kekei kenkai or kekei tota. They are beyond elemental natures and are combined with Yin and Yang Release.

@MigShinobi "The truth seeking balls negate all ninjutsu, but did you forget that we know little about the origin of the yata mirror? How would you know that the shield itself which is said to be a supernatural spirit weapon would fall under " ninjutsu". The totusuka blade seemingly couldn't be absorbed by nagato, so that leads me to believe those weapons arent ninjutsu." Well the totsuka blade was chakra being manifested in a physical form, you can say Nagato can't abosrb physical (hard) forms of chakra like earth release techniques. Also the Preta Path isn't passive it's used when the user actually activates his or her blocking technique absorption barrier. That can lead to a "fast enough" attack or an unavoidable in this case Nagato is a cripple to bypass the Preta Path because it wans't used.

"Ok, after obito gave misinformation about izanagi combined with the fact his entire existence was a lie and orchestrated by black zetsu and madara, I don't consider him a credible source on anything to do with sage of six paths without a third party confirming what he says." What misinformation was given about Izanagi? And just because there was a twist in the story doesn't invalidate everything he says. Other than saying he was Madara and that the ninetales attack on the hidden leaf was not himself I don't remember Obito lying about anything as Madara.

"His dna sword and shield were couutered by a kyuubi enhanced susanoo, but he was the antagonist, and we all knew he wasn't going to do much as the jinhcurki. So him hyping his weapons is not comparable, because like I said it depends on who is contributing the feat. Did you really believe gaara and his siblings in part one when they said his sand defense made him untouchable? You probably did until rock lee retconned that statement with a passion. Madara saying he smashes all things in the universe was a dam lie because he failed to beat hashirama twice, so he doesn't have credibility on that." Plot convenience has nothing to do in a pitched fight between Naruto fans and the point that you are trying to refute is that there is a claim that can't be proven about the mirror and similar claims have been made about other characters or jutsu that were proven false. Ok, even if thats true, who said the yata mirror is ninjutsu? The truth seeking balls have all nature transformations plus ying and yang which are also nature transformation s, they just aren't elemental. The yata mirror has it as well so it would be able to match the attributes of the truth seeking ball. I dont see what the issue is,. And the totuska blade is made from the liquid in the jar thing. And since the yata mirror is also said to negate ninjutsu, how would you know which takes priority?

Obito claimed you needed hashirama cells to use izanagi when you don't. And no he isnt a credible source on that specfic topic  because he was being lied to all his life basically. He had no idea that infinite tsyukyomi turns people into zetsu.

And I already showed why that logic doesn't work. It's innocent till proven guilty. All those examples used were obvious retcons. There is no evidence of the yata mirror being retconned so you can't compare to it cases where there is evidence of a retcon. The yata mirror was specifically said to be invincible because it ADAPTS specifically to each attack, just like when it changed in size to counter Oro, s snakes So theoretically,  that makes it a perfect defense. There isn't a lack of proof, there is a lack of feats.