Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34938099-20180730091858/@comment-33286580-20180830155608

XShadyShadow wrote:

1) Naruto got help in hitting Madara with that Rasengan (Onoki.), otherwise he wouldn't have hit him on top of the fact that Madara was distracted with fodder. Just like how Temari hit Madara with a wind style technique when he was battling the shinobi alliance, does that mean Temari can attack faster than Madara can react? No. He was distracted.

And i never deny that he got help. But the point is for Madara to defend he had to use full body Susanoo.

XShadyShadow wrote: 2) I don't see your point, if Madara wanted to yes I'm certain he could beat Kurama into submission but what would be the point if he can just genjutsu him, especially if the whole reason for confronting him to start was just to prep against Hashirama.

It could have or could not have happened. The fact is it did not happen.

Madara at no point in his early life shown he could take on Kurama. he could subjugate it with Dues Ex Machina MS power, but nowhere is it shown he could defeat him.

XShadyShadow wrote: 3) Genjutsu does work on perfect Jinchuriki, it's just only temporary.

for barely a fraction to even be counted. and Madara is no Itachi as far as Genjutsu feats go.

XShadyShadow wrote: 4) Once again, Naruto got help in hitting Madara with that seeing as though Gaara and Ooniki pulled him out of his Susanoo and while Gaara waa swinging him in the air Naruto threw it. EMS wouldn't be needed for it seeing as though Madara can just Dodge it. If Naruto could hit Madara with it that easy then he'd have been blitzing Madara during the war arc with it easily. Naruto isn't getting outside help/influence here.

again. not denying the help.

Rasenshuriken is one of the fastest attack. only someone with Raikage's speed could dodge it. no one else simply can dodge it.

XShadyShadow wrote: 5) What does Naruto destroying wood clones have to do with juat about anything?

uhhh... You do know that in the original Hashi and Madara fight Hashi was fighting PS and Kurama together with the power of his wood dragons and wood human jutsu and even with PS and Kurama Hashi still held the upper hand until Madara decided to combine PS and Kurama.

Means wood dragon was on par with PS. so destroying those is a big deal dude

XShadyShadow wrote: 6) Okay? A Rasengan isn't beating Madara. If anything this battle is gonna come down to PS vs Naruto in link with Kurama.

Not a Rasengan. those Ultra Rasengan and Rasenshuriken that are also capable of destroying mountains.

XShadyShadow wrote:

7) TBB takes too long to charge, Madara casually does that in swings. TBB are balls, they don't have true effect until they land, therefore you can knock them away, grab them as shown with Hashirama, etc. Susanoo sword is a blunt force object, the nature of it's attack is different. It operates differently from TBBs, once it swings it's already doing full damage and you need to dodge.

No. the overpowerd TBBs does take time. not the normal ones.

Kurama spams them in a batrage that means firing them one after the another in quick succession.

XShadyShadow wrote: 8) Tell me the manga panel and page where Naruto and Kurama tanked the Juubi's TBB. I find that hilarious because the Juubi can pluck the eight tails and nine tails away like a bug.

Chapter 610.

BTW. Naruto in KCM survived the Biju's Tenpechii.

Jubi power far surpasses anything EMS Madara can dish out.

XShadyShadow wrote: BM Naruto wasn't fighting on even ground against Juubito, Juubito would've one shot him and Sasuke had Minato not saved them. The only reason BM Naruto pulled the tailed beasts out of Obito was because he had the help of the entire shinobi alliance along with Sasuke. Plus Obito's will faltered. In a one on one scenario Juubito would stomp Naruto.

Maybe you missed it, but in between being almost killed by a still incomplete Jubito which caught everyone off guard and the final moment of Jubito, Naruto clashed with him. you know when it was about Hashi's memories being seen by everyone.

Yes. Naruto did not win. but he was keeping pace with Jubito.

XShadyShadow wrote: Edo Madara said he was stronger when he was alive. Surely he meant in terms of base stats. Dude, Madara with no eyes and no sage mode blitzed Naruto with ease. Madara is literally superior to BM Naruto in every way, speed, potentcy, power, experience, skill, etc. The only thing keeping Naruto in this fight is Kurama. However that isn't enough to bridge the gap for Naruto. This is only a 50% Kurama albeit he has a Jinchuriki host. Madara's PS tanked a tailed beast bombs from a 100% Kurama. Naruto has nothing that scares or could handle Madara, he's even wielded Kurama before, he has full Intel on him. Madara wins low diff. Naruto and Kurama are largely inexperienced working together also.

Dude. Use logic please.

Madara in base stronger than his Rinnegan + Hashi boob mode.... Really man.

Yes. Edo will be weaker than their original self. no doubt. but Madara was probably talking about his self from the time he had implanted Hashi boob in him and awakened Rinnegan. in no sense can base Madara be powerful than the hashirama boosted and Rinnegan awakened Madara.

Yes, blind Madara blitzed Naruto in that one scene, but the fact that he absorbed Amaterasu means he still had all his powerup from Rinnegan adn later use of Susanoo shows that he had his EMS powerup too.

And does the concept of being caught off guard does not exist or what. Jeez. Madara had just come to life shocking Naruto and all presnt. he also had his eyes closed which was clearly a shock, which specially got mentioned by Hashirama. Naruto was also not even in KCM. he was caught off guard.