Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150512133037/@comment-26773508-20150802045851

Fearlandscape wrote:

By the end of the series, Tobirama was being portrayed as a guy who should have easily survived the hopelessly outnumbered odds in the battle in which he was killed. He shouldn't have even had a scratch on him after that encounter the way his legend was boosted.

By the end, Hashirama was purported to be a guy strong enough to have killed Kakuzu with one arm tied behind his back instead of having an epic battle in which Kakuzu survived.

Meanwhile Hiruzen devolved into some scrub who was lucky to be Hokage and could be have been iced in one shot by the likes of Kabuto, Danzo or Jiraiya. Hiruzen gets glory only in short paragraphs of Naruto databooks. In manga he's pretty much featless and unimpressive. I wonder why Kishi still bothered to mention that Hiruzen was more talented than Tobirama when in reality he completely ignored Hiruzen throughout the 15 years of the run of the manga. Then at the end of those 15 years he resurrects Hiruzen again but gives the spotlight to Hashirama and Tobirama. He then proceeds to publish the 4th Databook and says Hiruzen>Tobirama. Kishi's an S-class troll. He needs to get killed by a real-life bounty hunter like Kakuzu. That would be justice lol :D

Also, Akatsuki-era Kakuzu should could have easily been one-shotted by Hashirama given his feats. Yet Kakuzu, without his village's secret techniques, survived? That's a big WTF there. I'm going to assume it was Hashi's kindness that saved him, since we know he shares the quality of strong kindness with both Ashura and Naruto. Also Tobirama nearly getting killed by Kinkaku and Ginkaku's attempted coup, and him dying at the hands of 20 guys severely undermine his later hype/feats. The Second scared the shit out of Orochimaru & co. along with Sasuke with just a raise of a finger. Minato was visibly shocked by the display of power shown by Hashirama and Tobirama. Not only that, he almost broke free of Orochimaru's Edo Tensei, which is almost at the level of Kabuto. Had Orochimaru not possessed Zetsu's body, he would have effortlessly broken free. But Hashi cells are god-level cheats that can reduce the recharge time of Shisui's eyes from a decade to a mere few hours, so obviously Tobirama couldn't break free. Compare that to Nagato and Itachi, two shinobi who had no equals in power prior to Madara and Hashirama's reappearance. Nagato couldn't break free from Kabuto's control, while Itachi was successful only due to Shisui's ultra-haxx technique. Tobirama looked like a god compared to those two when he nearly broke free from Oro's control.