Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-25096344-20160709050959/@comment-24824859-20160713022239

@8Gates Alright, that's it. I had enough of your lies The lake isn't even close to the valley in terms of length. The lake is wider, but not longer. We can see this clearly this in chapter 697 during the explosion of Indra's arrow and Dual Rasenshuriken. This point doesn't even matter much since the size of the explosions are what's being compared here, not the lake to the valley.

4 mountain sized explosions took up the majority of the lake's length in Naruto & Sasuke's fight. The mere edge of the explosion from Hashirama & Madara's clash took up a sizable portion of the lake.

Hashirama & Madara's VOTE explosion=Entire valley+sizable portion of the lake.

Bijudama+Chidori=The lake

Hashirama and Madara's VOTE explosion are much bigger compared to the surrounding mountains than Bijudama+Chidori. The second explosion that Naruto and Sasuke produced is more powerful than the one that Hashirama and Madara produced. It produced shockwaves so powerful that it even reached to where Kakashi and Sakura were. Not to mention, both of the explosions Naruto and Sasuke produced were in high altitude, massively reducing the damage done to the landscape. Had they been on ground level, it would of been a different story His thrust got stuck in Base Naruto's Shadow clone. Hashirama has shown the ability to form multiple Mokuton clones from his back simultaneously. One clone would shield from Chidori while the others attack or restrain Sasuke. That's the main function of the Chidori, which is to pierce. There is nothing stopping Sasuke from simply moving his hand while Chidori is active, were he to somehow get got. Heck he can use Chidori Sharp Spear and still get Hashirama, heavily injuring him, if not outright kill him Naruto did move. Even with the jutsu supported by a distraction, he turned around completely and put up his hand to guard.

Naruto's reflexes>Amenotejikara supported by diversion>Amenotejikara with no diversion.

Minato possesses the reflexes to react to 8th Gate Gai in his 5th step Evening elephant from a few feet away.

Sasuke was being dodged by Blind Madara casually. Shin easily grabbed his blade in cqc. Any of the Kages react to his movement with no effort. That can't even be contested. Minato & Tobirama sense his presence behind them and easily teleport away. Naruto, who has the highest sensing capabilities in the entire series(only second to the god-tiers) was barely able to react to Sasuke's Ameno + Chidori combo. Had he completely reacted he wouldn't have been knocked down. To say that the Hokages can do better than that is completely laughable. Ameno + Chidori combo >>>>>>>> Evening Elephant. Heck, Lee helped Minato to get the FTG kunai in between Madara and Guy and all Minato had to do was to FTG, get hit by TSBs, and FTG again. Or Emna stays in staff form and manifests individual limbs as necessary to counter Sasuke when he appears behind Hiruzen. Enma isn't catching Sasuke How is he going to hit Hashirama with Rasenshuriken? He was able to evade the explosion of Chou Odama Rasenshuriken even when it was only a few feet from making contact. Mokuton Hobi also blocks all of Naruto's Rasenshuriken. Naruto can easily out-maneuver him and blitz him with Rasenshuriken. The Hobi Technique can't block TBB Rasenshuriken