Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20160221124823/@comment-27660682-20160303190318

Ninja Of War wrote: QuakingStar wrote: ...Jiraiya did try to defeat Oro when Oro was leaving to join Akatsuki. He lost. Point blank. As I said, trying to stop someone from escaping and fighting them full out is two different scenarios. Jiraiya was only stated to fail at the former not the latter.

@MIGshinobi

Calling someone delusional just because they don't use your interpretation is quite childish. Though I don't agree with you, that is not the reason I called you seemingly biased, that was because you deliberately tried to deny/downplay facts by saying your assumptions trump facts. Saying all Susanoo have the same durability is just an assumption, what do you base that off? I still don't know why you are using just a regular rasengan in your comparison, I was talking about the UBBR. There was evidence that Itachi himself was hurt, ch 391 pg 15 Itachi's left arm is damaged(right arm was injured by Sasuke's fire style jutsu) and his akatsuki cloak is gone, so Kirin got through some stage of Susanoo to damage him. Baseless?, nope.

Also, what are your thoughts about the opening stages of the fight?

@ShiShiheiwa

Hahaha, are you really starting with that again. Even though your accusations against me turned out to be bs. Here is Sasuke using blaze release without a charge up, ch 632 pg 19. So which of my points are baseless now? Please give evidence for your point of Jiraiya not being able to defeat Orochimaru. Still waiting for you to answer my previous questions. Nah, I don't mind you disagreeing, but you opened a can of worms on yourself calling me hypocrite on something I had justification on. The fact that nagato and orochimaru were only sealed when the tip of the blade pierced them means Kishimoto was obviously using the stricter definition of pierce which you didnt botber to look up. Like I said slicing someone's head off with the edge of a blade=/= puncturing a blade through through their head with the tip. Do on to others as you want to be done to you. Keep the insults out and I will too. I didn't make any assumptions, I used object identification. Orochimaru and nagato were stabbed before they could react from mid to long distance respectively yet feat was being downplayed. It's a baseless claim as there is no evidence that susanoo isn't the same durability for each stage. The burden of proof is on you to prove that claim.based on feats they all are the same durability. And even if they arent the same durability, you have no proof of which is stronger and by how much. And what are you talking about? Ultra big ball Rasengan failed to even crack rib cage susanoo. Tsunade was able to do that. It's likely because the rasengan at the point of contact didnt have enough force to do so because it was still stabilized. But like I said, that rasengan is not breaching a stronger variant of susanoo. Mountain is less durable than susanoo.

It's baseless because you are comparing a lighting bolt to rasengan. Lightning rapidly heats the air around where it lands combined with the fact it leveled the mountain they were standing on. So that heat would obviously cause burn marks and remove his clothing, but its obvious the technique did not reach itachi as he would have been dead if it did. And you realize there are multiple stages of susanoo? So the kirin example is baseless as we have nothing to go on. Facts trump speculation, and there is enough proof to say that a single ultra rasengan isnt gettting through itachi's advanced stage of susanoo.

How the battle will go? Jiraiya has no technique to deal with susanoo except swamp which is evaded by simple sharingan precognition and shunshin from itachi. Itachi can cast genjutsu with or without eye contact using his sharingan, using his finger, and we know tsyukyomi one shots. Itachi is smarter, I have to check speed feats for who is faster but itachi has the faster jutsu speed. Amaterasu can be streamed for area of effect as well so large summmons are detered by that. Jiraiya lacks an ultimate defense so while on top of his frogs he is vulnerable to tosuka blade. I don't see how jiraiya is winning this without going into sage mode and going for frog song. But that takes space and prep so unlikely. Itachi wins 9/10 based on my analysis thus far.