Talk:Sasuke Uchiha/Archive 11

Susanoo Chidori?
Considering what we did in making the article Blaze Release: Susanoo Kagutsuchi, should we make one for Susanoo Chidori? • WindStar7125     10:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * If for Kishi using Enton with Susanoo is a separate technique, then we have a canon precedent as evidence that using Chidori with Susanoo would be too--Elve Talk Page 11:02, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Good. Because it looks like somebody already jumped the gun and created the article anyway. Glad we agree ^_^ • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 11:33, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Is it ok to make a new article? We didn't make an article for the Rasengan that Minato used in his Kurama form, is this different?--MERCURIOUS (talk) 11:35, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * @MERCURIOUS, that article has already been deleted. We decided to place it in the Chidori article instead. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 00:19, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

another part 2 pic discussion
Sorry for the late notice, but I've got a suggestion: in Shippūden episode 142 at this , there is a scene where Sasuke is sitting with Team Taka and Akatsuki (Madara and Kisame) and his headshot appears at like 7:43 right before he talks. Karin's long sleeve is on the left side of the screen, but the picture isn't too zoomed in on Sasuke's face, plus there's cropping that could be done. I actually tried uploading this months ago, but it wasn't in 720p HD quality, which I'm not very experienced in uploading. How about this one? --SSJ2AJB 22:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * I found the image and i personally prefer it to the current image but its in 720p. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 23:24, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * I like that image- I wouldn't mind changing it to that... --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 23:36, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Nice, if it's all right with everyone, I'll just go ahead and change the infobox image. Thanks for the upload btw, Sarutobii2. --SSJ2AJB 00:13, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * The current image is to zoomed on Sasuke's face compared to most info box images of the whole characters head. Do any of the mods have a opinion on the matter? --Bio havik (talk) 05:54, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * The "mods" don't have an opinion that supercedes anyone else's.
 * Also, can people stop changing pictures without consensus? Just because one user finds a decent pic and another agrees, it gives you no right to just go around changing pictures just because you can. Please stop this or it will be determined as vandalism to the wiki. --Sajuuk Talk Page 11:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * How do we go about consensus, so far four people prefer the new image SSJ2AJB suggested but no one has disliked it on this talk page. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 20:26, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * I apologize for rashly changing the part II pic without waiting to hear everybody else's consensus. I just felt the old image was too zoomed in Sasuke's face, so I thought the new one would be better. I took the early approval of some users for the new picture as a sign to change it. Let's just wait it out this time to see what everyone else thinks about it. --SSJ2AJB 20:48, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

So it's been 4 days, can we change images yet? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 03:00, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Are we just gonna drop this whole topic and keep the current image? Like I said, the current image is too zoomed in on his face, so I thought a little distance like the new image would be nice. There's generally no point in using it if there's no consensus, and yet practically nobody else has responded here in days to voice their opinion. We have a few users already supporting Sasuke's new Part II headshot, so who else do we need the approval of so we could close this topic? --SSJ2AJB 22:42, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Someone deleted the image so i re-uploaded it. I talked to Sajuuk and he prefers the image aswell and we've waited a week now without anyone else bothering to voice their opinion so im changing it. If anyone dislikes it hopefully they come to this talk page and discuss the matter. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 11:57, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Yin Yang
Should that bit anent using Yin-Yang Release to contain bijuu chakra be kept?KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 15:49, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

natural energy
He can sense it. Doesn't that make him a Sage? :P--Elve Talk Page 13:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * He can't. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * He commented on it, so he can, or not?--Elve Talk Page 13:47, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * When Naruto/Kurama's clone disappears sending the chakra it gathered towards Naruto, Sasuke states that he sensed a huge amount of natural energy. That doesn't necessarily mean that Sasuke's a Sage now.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg JOA20 13:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * That was Naruto. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:49, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why would Naruto be surprised?--Elve Talk Page 13:50, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't he? • Seelentau 愛 議 13:51, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Because he ordered his clone to do just that in the first place? 0_0--Elve Talk Page 13:52, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * So? One can still be surprised about how much the clone actually gathered. It was not Sasuke. Sasuke's comment was "!?" or so. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:54, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Damn edit conflict: @ Seel, you're kidding, right? Read it again. Both translations. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 13:56, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not. I actually feel like you guys are the ones who're kidding. We're not going to give Sasuke sensing abilities because of a sentence that can't be attributed to him 100%. Forget it. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:57, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess. Well, we will find out ^_--Elve Talk Page 13:59, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, and you guys should realize that one can feel chakra without being a sensor. Lee, Sasuke, Suigetsu and Jugo all did. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:02, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you not see the "!?" above Sasuke's head? MangekyoSasuke (talk) 14:03, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Seelentau is referring to the rest of the panel, where someone is commenting on the gathering of energy.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 14:04, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * And it makes sense that someone else's thoughts would be in the same panel? Besides, Naruto already says what he has to say about it in the previous panel. It makes no sense for him to say "coming out of nowhere" If he knows where its coming from. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 14:14, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

@Seel, chakra yes, but not natural energy. Only Sages can sense it--Elve Talk Page 14:28, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. And is Sasuke a sage? No. Who there is a sage and could've sensed the energy? Naruto. Case closed. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:46, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Creation of All Things and Yin-Yang Release
Kurama said that Sasuke was doing the same thing with the chakra of the Bijuu as Hagoromo did, only in reverse.

If he can mix the physical chakra of the Bijuu's into the spiritual form of Susanoo then I think we should consider adding Ying-Yang release to his arsenal.-World Master (talk) 14:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Na. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Mangastream says an entirely different thing--Elve Talk Page 15:23, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Preta Path?
Due to him possessing the Rinnegan, would it be a stretch to say that Sasuke used the Preta Path to absorb the TB chakra? He can already use the Deva Path and such... but what do you guys think? • WindStar7125     19:30, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * He didn't absorb it. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, the Susanoo contained it like the Gedo Mazo like Kurama noted. My bad. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 19:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * He basically did the opposite of what PP does. :) • Seelentau 愛 議 19:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Due to the recent chapter, Sasuke now has the Preta Path, correct? • WindStar7125     11:04, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

It seems like it. But this issue is puzzling me. How do we differentiate between Preta Path and Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? The later is the sole technique and purpose of the former, unlike Deva and Asura Paths with their multiple techniques. If Sasuke is listed for Preta Path, then why isn't he also listed for Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? Also, visually, the two techniques have both been shown with the barrier and contact absorbing. General Awesomo (talk) 12:31, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Each Path has more than just 1 technique, or at least some do. So while what he did was most likely Preta Path, it wasn't Blocking Tech Absorption, since no barrier appeared--Elve Talk Page 13:23, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * From the technique's description on this wiki: "Should the user get close enough to grab the opponent, the barrier can absorb chakra right out of an individual's body, effectively draining them."... And yes, I know that deviates from the technique's description in the 3rd Data Book. Whether or not Sasuke is listed as a user of Fūjutsu Kyūin comes down to whether or not the majority still agree with that method of absorption being a specific application of Fūjutsu Kyūin, or another type of absorption ability stemming from Gakidō—in which case that part of the description on this wiki will have to be omitted. —「SaiST」Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 15:25, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Didn't Pain's Petra Path absorb Naruto's Sage Chakra via touch alone, with no barrier, during their fight? There's precedent. Arawn 999 (talk) 15:29, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Doesn't mean "Petra" used absorption seal in that instance.--Elve Talk Page 15:47, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * It was still an application of the Petra Path's ability to absorb chakra, though. Arawn 999 (talk) 15:51, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think anyone denies that, I'm all for listing him as Preta Path user, just not Preta Barrier Tech's user--Elve Talk Page 15:55, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, here are all the instances Preta Path and Blocking Technique Absorption Seal have been used. Well, all of the instances Nagato used them, through the Preta Path corpse and himself. Those were much easier to pinpoint than Madara's uses. If I missed some, sorry.

Chapters / Episodes
 * 1) Its debut, chapter 377 page 7 panel 2 (episode 132)
 * 2) Chapter 377 page 11 (episode 132)
 * 3) Chapter 378 page 10 panel 3 and page 11 panels 1-2 (episode 132)
 * 4) Chapter 422 page 3 panels 2-4 (episode 158)
 * 5) Chapter 433 pages 10 panels 1-2, page 11 panels 1-3, and page 14 panels 3+5 (episode 164)
 * 6) Chapter 434 page 17 panels 1-2 (episode 164)
 * 7) Chapter 435 page 1 panel 4 and page 2 panel 5 (episode 165)
 * 8) Chapter 550 page 16 panels 2-4 (episode 298)
 * 9) Chapter 551 page 2 panel 5 (episode 299)
 * 10) Chapter 560 page 14 panel 2 (episode 322)
 * 11) Chapter 657 page 2 panels 3-4, page 5 panel 8, and page 6 panel 1 (episode TBA)
 * 12) Chapter 697 page 15 panel 4 (episode TBA)

Summary
 * 1) Although it's just the Preta Path rushing in to intercept Jiraiya's Sage Art: Goemon. No barrier seen. The page afterwards is just a smokescreen. (Slight barrier before his hands in the anime.)
 * 2) Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan with a barrier. (Same in the anime.)
 * 3) Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's Fire Release: Big Flame Bullet. No barrier seen. It's also kind of a closeup, so if a barrier is there, you can't see it. Maybe you can see the barrier in the Color Edition lol. (He just sucks it up into his hands with no barrier.)
 * 4) Preta Path absorbs some lightning release technique from a Konoha ninja. Barrier present. (Same in the anime except he absorbs twice the attacks.)
 * 5) Absorbs Naruto's Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Page 14 is Preta Path trying to absorb a fake Rasenshuriken (Shadow Clone Technique and Transformation Technique). Barrier present in both. (Same in the anime.)
 * 6) Preta Path absorbs Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
 * 7) Preta Path continues to absorb Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
 * 8) Edo Nagato absorbs Killer B's chakra through his Lariat. He says "Preta Path." No barrier seen. (A glow is present in the anime.)
 * 9) Edo Nagato absorbs Naruto's Rasengan. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
 * 10) Edo Madara absorbs Naruto's Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Although the absorption process isn't really shown, manga or anime. No barrier seen. (Same in the anime.)
 * 11) Madara absorbs Sasuke's Amaterasu. No barrier seen. Then he absorbs Hashirama's senjutsu chakra. This example I think was just written off by you guys as a generic, inherent ability of Madara's to absorb chakra. That it couldn't be Preta Path as he had no eyes. Only for him to burst out of Gaara's Desert Layered Imperial Funeral Seal with his Susanoo soon afterwards despite having no eyes. Not exactly a whole barrier is seen, but chakra activity is seen around Madara's hand in the process. The same chakra activity as... (Anime episode TBA.)
 * 12) Sasuke absorbs Naruto's chakra. Just like the above example with Madara, chakra activity is seen around Sasuke's fist. (Anime episode TBA.)

Phew. Now that that's over with, I'd like to ask you guys something. In those instances, what is Preta Path and what is Blocking Technique Absorption Seal?

I'd like the help of Seelentau to see if the translations for these chapters had more info on clearing things up. I also don't have access to the tankōbon versions, so if some details were changed in those chapters, please let me know. General Awesomo (talk) 08:35, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Preta Path is Rinnegan's path that absorbs chakra. Blocking Absorption Seal is just one of the means Preta Path can accomplish that, there are likely other. For example, Deva Path has more than just 1 technique as well. In other words:

Just my opinion--Elve Talk Page 10:40, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * barrier present = Preta Path's Blocking Absorption Seal
 * no barrier = Preta Path's unknown technique/s
 * (Imagine this in bolded capsrape:) Madara did not absorb Sasuke's Amaterasu. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:46, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * I know you've said this before, but how could he not have? The Enton was seemingly ablaze on more than just the armor he took off, the scene was immediately followed by Naruto warning Sasuke that it was pointless to just recklessly cast Ninjutsu at him because he could absorb chakra, then we saw two other examples of the ability later in the chapter.


 * Though, I'm not sure if I'd classify what Madara did in that chaper as Gakidō. Using Susanoō without eyes is one thing, but the Rinnegan's Rikudō too? —「SaiST」Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 18:57, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Also, the flames simply vanished, there was nothing that looked like absorbtion in any way. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:02, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Just as they "vanished" when Amaterasu was used against Kaguya, who also absorbed chakra—are you of the opinion that she didn't absorb the Enton either? Do you think it's more sensible to think that the flames were somehow negated through unknown means and consequently disappeared despite the fact that Madara's ability to absorb chakra was cautioned against immediately after? —「SaiST」Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 19:09, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with SaiST here--Elve Talk Page 19:20, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Sage
So Seelentau has changed his mind and it seems it was indeed Sasuke commenting on the natural energy a chapter back, what do we do with that?--Elve Talk Page 20:33, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * The Sharingan can see Chakra. It's possible that the Rinnegan can perceive natural energy, but that's just speculation. Arawn 999 (talk) 21:00, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think Nagato could see natural energy when facing Jiraiya and Naruto, could he? So no. It was clearly stated that only Sages can sense natural energy and Sasuke can, so.--Elve Talk Page 21:14, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sasuke isn't a sage. The end. Add that he can sense natural energy and nothing more. Capish? Good. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 22:32, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * Can someone point out to me when being able to sense natural energy makes one a sage, and not you know the actuality of using it? Cause that seems very odd. "Oh you can sense natural energy but have no knowledge of using it but your a sage, Guy".--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 10:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

After rereading some old chapters a "Sage" seems to be someone who balances physical, spiritual and natural energies to mold Senjutsu chakra, chapter 410 page 14. But sensing natural energy alone requires a great deal of training, even with the toad oil it took Naruto quite a while before he started to feel that natural energy enters his body. So since Sasuke can already sense it, in theory, if he were to stay still, he should be able to absorb it. But only if he were to balance it with his chakra would he be a Sage according to Fukasaku's definition from references chapter. But according to that, Jugo is a Sage --Elve Talk Page 11:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * So it is by your interpretation then? Cause that ain't convincing.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 12:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Also when was it states a sensor couldn't sense natural energy in someone?--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 12:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, I'd like to point out that Sasuke, who is not a sensor, sensed Naruto's massive chakra clear from Konohagakure in overwhelming quantities. How do I know he's not a sensor? Because Orochimaru, in that instance, said that sans Karin, none of them were sensors yet could feel the overwhelming volume of Naruto's chakra radiating off of the battlefield. In this instance, Kurama and Sasuke both noted that the natural energy coming off of Naruto was tremendous; vast in volume. Chakra/natural energy in tremendous amounts can be felt by non-sensors. Before now, Sasuke has never commented on Naruto's natural energy intake before and Naruto has done it quite often. He is not a sage. He can't use Sage Mode, Six Paths Senjutsu, Sage techniques. Hell, he needed Jugo's aid to use a Senjutsu Susanoo. So no @Elve, he is not a sage. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 15:07, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * @Ten, I pointed that out to Elve already here in this edit... :P • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 15:16, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

@Ulti, did you bother to check the referenced chapter and page? If sensors could sense natural energy, everyone would use Senjutsu, also Sasuke isn't a sensor. @Foxie, chakra can be sensed by everyone to an extent, sensor is simply someone with a more refined sensing ability, but natural energy is different, it's in the ground and in the atmosphere, so by your logic everyone should feel it all the time, yet they don't.--Elve Talk Page 15:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that it has already been stated many chapters ago that anyone who could sense "natural energy" was a sage, regardless if they could use the energy or not... --Sajuuk Talk Page 15:27, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Hmph. Do what you want, Elve. I doubt Sasuke is a Sage tho. • WindStar7125     15:33, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Considering it took Naruto a day-long bathe in natural energy absorbing toad oil before he even started to sense it despite having it inside of his body means an untrained individual can't feel natural energy no matter what, since they can't tell what they do or don't feel is the natural energy without first experiencing natural energy and then withdrawing from it, noticing a difference. @Windstar, I'm not adding him as a Sage, I just added what was stated in the chapter, that's all.--Elve Talk Page 15:36, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * @Elve, oh okay. Excuse my ignorance on that then. Apologies. @Saj, if I recall correctly, a Sage is someone who can gather natural energy, rather than just sense it. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 15:43, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Nah, if you guys bothered to check Fukasaku's explanation, then a Sage is someone who mixes all 3 energies to use actual Senjutsu chakra.--Elve Talk Page 15:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Rinnegan
Hagoromo only gave Sasuke the Yang seal to seal Kaguya. Like he did to Naruto, whom awaken the Six Paths Sage Mode upon having all 9 tailed beasts in him not from Hagoromo so I think it's safe to say he awakened it from Hashirama's cells he received from Kabuto. Both retained their powers apart from the seals after the battle as well and it's been covered one needs both Uchiha and Senju powers for the Rinnegan.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 06:25, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sasuke was given the Yin seal, not Yang. Also Sasuke's Rinnegan shifting technique was directly attributed to having been blessed with Hagoromo's power, I don't think it makes sense for Sasuke's Rinnegan to have come from unconfirmed Hashirama's cells and his technique from Hagoromo, both the eye and its technique being because of Hagoromo makes more sense.--Elve Talk Page 11:31, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sasuke lost Hagoromo's power after sealing Kaguya did he not?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 15:21, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Only Six Paths Yin Power, that was the moon tattoo. Considering he still can use Rinnegan Teleportation Tech, which is thanks to Hagoromo's power, he hasn't lost all of Hagoromo's powers.--Elve Talk Page 15:40, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

@Elv, blessed with Hagoromo's power =\= given the rinnegan by Hagoromo. Both Naruto and Sasuke awakened Hagoromo's chakra themselves, according to the sage himself. And his chakra (asura + indra, or all 9 beasts) awakens the rinnegan or rikudo senjutsu. Hagoromo only gave the seals to them. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 17:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * No, they didn't. Hagoromo specifically stated to have given them power, excluding the seals, since he said that after they had lost them.--Elve Talk Page 19:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * So Naruto and Sasuke meet Hagoromo, and all of a sudden they get things like the Rinnegan, SPST, Six Paths Chakra, Six Paths Powers and Hagoromo had nothing to do with it? Just the Six Paths Yin and Yang and nothing else? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. -_- • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 19:55, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Who keeps doing this?
Someone keeps expunging "Preta Path, Deva Path, and Chibaku Tensei" from Sasuke's jutsu list. It is obvious that he had utilized them so why are they being deleted? KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 21:17, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * No one. At least, no one who's human. It's because of the broken SMW that sometimes the jutsu list in the infoboxes isn't exactly what it should be. Push the Null Edit button atop the page and you should see it.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg JOA20 21:21, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Deactivated Rinnegan
In the newest trailer for the upcoming Naruto movie, Sasuke's Rinnegan is deactivated. So can we mention he can deactivate it or is the movie considered non canon? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 12:41, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Since the movie has again and again been stated to be connected to the manga, I don't get why do some still insist on it being non-canon--Elve Talk Page 12:58, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't we wait for the movie itself to give us an answer? Scenes from Naruto movie trailers are ofter omitted/altered in the final product, and from what we've seen in the manga so far, Sasuke can't deactivate his Rinnengan, since he doesn't turn it of when he overuses it, when his chakra runs too low, or when he isn't fighting, while he does deactivate his (Mangekyou) Sharingan in all 3 of these cases. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 21:03, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

The movie is canon,and is labeled 699.5;I fail to see why we should wait for the movie when Kishi came up with Sasuke's movie design which is shown in the "appearance" section of this article.--Vacent (talk) 17:14, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Stamina and endurance?
Do you think the info about Sasuke's stamina and endurance should be part of his chakra and stamina section? Justin Holland (talk) 02:55, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

If you can word it in a way that sounds good then add it. If it gets deleted well then...i don't know what to tell you. Munchvtec (talk) 03:04, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Out of curiosity
Why has Sasuke been added as a Yin-Yang user?KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 22:43, November 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * According to FF-Suzaku here, from what he got from the fourth databook, receiving Hagoromo's power directly from him grants Yin-Yang Release. In chapter 693, Hagoromo stated that he gave Naruto and Sasuke the same amount of power. I asked FF-Suzaku about it and he said it was logical that Sasuke is a Yin-Yang Release user due to those two stated facts. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 22:57, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Also how come he has all the basic nature release transformation types in his infobox? Is it simply because he posses the Rinnegan?  Banan 14  kab  06:39, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * That was directly stated in data book. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 06:42, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

What is the sentence in which it states that Sasuke possesses all five elements? Had he learned them due to Rinnegan?KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 14:35, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Missing ninja
Why is Sasuke still a missing ninja? He's been pardoned because of Kakashi & Naruto, so he should no longer be a missing ninja. Sin2 (talk) 10:47, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Because we cover the whole series at once?--Elve Talk Page 10:51, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Sin2 (talk) 14:04, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't, "Missin-nin" be removed from Sasuke's infobox? He's no longer a missing ninja, so by removing, "Missing-nin" it'd improve Sasuke's article.
 * And Kakashi no longer has Sharingan, yet we don't remove that.--Elve Talk Page 14:07, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Marriage?
This discussion is closed.

Both his and Sakura's pages stated that they're married, I've read the last chapters and it doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere and unlike all the other couples, he's frequently out of the village so it seems even more unlikely that they're married. TricksterKing (talk) 10:42, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

But they have a daughter named Sarada. Sarada call Sakura "ママ" (means "mama" in Japanese). When Sarada said to Sakura that she and Boruto have some common like their relationship about thier father, she refers as Sasuke "パパ" (means "papa" in Japanese). So doesn't that means they are married? MichiyoChiba (talk) 12:10, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * Not really, just means that she knows who Sasuke is and he's visited enough that she kinda likes him, doesn't imply marriage in any way. TricksterKing (talk) 20:13, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

This is stupid. Are we going to question whether or not Naruto and Hinata are married? There was no mention of it in the latest chapter either.--Vacent (talk) 20:48, November 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * We're not questioning anything. They're married, they have a daughter, the end. I will not warn twice. We don't care if you don't like the end pairings or not. It is how it is. Edit: The Viz also translated Sarada's words to mean "father", so yes, she is Sasuke and Sakura's daughter. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 21:03, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Wood Release
It is revealed in the epilogue that he eventually got the prothstetic hand which Sakura said was made from Hashirama cells which would give him access to wood release like Obito, Madara, Danzo, Zetsu, and Orochimaru.--Officialkamuiblade (talk) 23:30, November 11, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade

Same for Naruto too--Officialkamuiblade (talk) 23:33, November 11, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade
 * In the epilogue, all I saw was his right hand. He lost his left. Correct me if I'm wrong. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 23:43, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

It says on his page that he now has a prothstetic hand but if it's not enough, what about Naruto being listed for wood release? We know he has a right hand and we know what it's made from.--Officialkamuiblade (talk) 23:48, November 11, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade

If having Hashirama's DNA alone suffices for having Mokuton, then Sasuke should have been listed as a Nokuton user as soon as Kabuto injected him with Hashirama's cells. Pesa123456789 (talk) 15:27, November 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Exactly. How long after Orochimaru took over a Zetsu spore clone was he listed as a Mokuton user?--Minamoto15 (talk) 15:55, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

He has Hashirama's cells, therefore we should list him as a Mokuton user.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 14:07, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * He did not have his prosthetic hand in the final chapter. Only his right hand was shown. -- Questionaredude (talk) 16:45, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * He has the cells that Kabuto used to save him from death. Kabuto said that they were Hashi's cells. But I don't think we should add Wood Release to him OR Naruto, though I've already seen that Naruto is already added..--Omojuze (talk) 17:33, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * I second that opinion. It's one thing to deny him the release because he hasn't shown it, but neither Orochimaru nor Naruto have used Wood Release abilities, and yet are still awarded the release. At the very least you should give Sasuke the release to keep up consistency if nothing else. Omega64 狐 (talk) 00:39, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, according to official sketches of The Last, Sasuke does not have the prosthetic left arm. And in the epilogue, what was shown was his right arm and not his left. ~ • WS7125 [Mod]  00:49, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Personally, it doesn't make any sense to list both Naruto and Orochimaru as having Wood Release, whether they have Hashirama's cells or not. However, as Omega said, Sasuke also gained Hashirama's cells when Kabuto was healing him- prosthetic hand or not, then he should also be listed as having Wood Release to keep up the consistency. Unless you would like to entertain the idea of removing Wood Release from Naruto and Orochimaru's articles... --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 02:37, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure a certain amount of Hashirama's cells must be needed to utilize Wood Release. Danzo and Naruto have an arm, Obito had his entire right side, Orochimaru is inhabiting the body of a White Zetsu, and Madara had the left side of his chest. -- Questionaredude (talk) 02:46, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * The amount of cells has nothing to do with it. Recall, Madara only had a sliver of meat from Hashirama and the cells from that were enough for him to not only get the Wood Release, but also Hashirama's Healing Power. Danzo and Obito also explained that the cells themselves will attempt to consume you, and it takes considerable willpower to resist and overpower the cells. Madara also explained that he has completely subjugated the cells, thus he is able to use the power on a similar level to Hashirama himself. Omega64 狐 (talk) 03:59, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * You do have a valid point as always, Omega64. I also want to keep the consistency just like you do, so hopefully you'll be able to persuade Tau, Elve, TU3, and others.
 * ~ • WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 04:06, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

I think sasuke did not have wood release because of this.

Ninjutsu - Cellular Regeneration Absorption A unique technique of the one proficient in handling natural energy, Jūgo. By absorbing another human's blood and flesh, and then converting it into his own cells, a super-recovery of his own wounded body is possible. It is possible that sasuke gain this cell because according to orochimaru he possesses jugo's cells and jugo proves that thing. Ashzure (talk) 02:27, November 25, 2014 h(UTC)User:AshzureAshzure (talk) 02:30, November 25, 2014 (UTC) User:AshzureAshzure (talk) 02:32, November 25, 2014 (UTC)User:Ashzure

Based on the points above, Sasuke should be added as a Wood Release user.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 14:16, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

No. As of right now, there's no confirmation that Sasuke has the prosthetic arm. And based on, a site with trustworthy translators and a site Tau has an account on, Kabuto "used [his] medical techniques and [his] research on hashirama’s cells." He never stated nor confirmed he gave Hashi's cells to Sasuke. That's why Sasuke isn't listed. Do with that what you will. ~• WS7125 [Mod] 18:52, November 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * My only issue with that is what good did the research do in healing Sasuke? The Cell Regeneration Ejection, which is what I assume that was supposed to be, as well as medical ninjutsu, has nothing to do with using Hashirama's cells to healing Sasuke's wound, the cells aren't required at all. I thought the only logical reason to even mention the cells was because they were being implanted. After all, the cells were what saved Madara when he was in a similar situation. I also felt it was a means to explain Sasuke activating a Rinnegan. After all the Rinnegan is activated by Indra and Asura's Chakra mixing, and if Hashirama's cells were transplanted that is just what would have happened. I understand Sasuke got power from Hagoromo; however, like Naruto's Six Paths Sage Mode, Sasuke still needed external power to achieve his form. Naruto needed the chakra of the Tailed Beasts and Hagoromo's Six Paths Sage Chakra to activate his Six Paths Sage Mode. I assumed Sasuke's Rinnegan's advanced form was because Sasuke unlocked a Rinnegan and then it was enhanced by the Six Paths Chakra. Omega64 狐 (talk) 11:09, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's what the manga said. Sorry for the issue, but it is what it is. ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 11:21, December 2, 2014 (UTC)

Yin and Yang Release
Is it safe to remove the manga only tags from Yin & Yang Release in Sasuke's nature type section in his infobox? The databook confirmed his ability to use them. Yin/Yang is a different issue.--Minamoto15 (talk) 20:21, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * "Manga only," to my understanding, is a tag used when a certain ability has appeared in the manga and not the anime nor video game. So far, Sasuke gaining Hagoromo's power hasn't happened in the anime yet, therefore the "manga only" tag stays. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 20:41, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * He is talking about Yin Release and Yang Release, not Yin-Yang Release. Genjutsu are Yin Release and Sasuke can use them since Part I. I believe. And for all we know, he could use Yang Release prior to Hagoromo dosage--Elve Talk Page 11:47, November 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Since the Akimichi Clan's techniques were said to be Yang Release (expanding bodies and such), we could possibly say Sasuke has experience with Yang Release through his Cursed Seal of Heaven. General Awesomo (talk) 06:51, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Chakra
Maybe someone can get a picture of Sasuke undo Danzo's seal with his chakra? Justin Holland (talk) 00:17, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Allied Shinobi Forces
It's true that Sasuke simply affiliated with them as a means to an end, but he did help dissipate the IT and greatly contributed to their cause. Shouldn't we add it to his affiliation in his infobox?--Minamoto15 (talk) 14:07, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

Affinity
Sasuke was presumed to have lightning as his affinity because he could apply shape transformation to it, correct? Well, now that Blaze is Fire, Sasuke can not only shape lighting, but can shape fire too. So what do we do? I'm not sure we should state that Sasuke has two affinities. But we can't pick and choose, can we? ~• WS7125 [Mod] 23:43, December 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sasuke is a proficient fire style user because he was born into the Uchiha clan, a clan that excels in Fire style techniques. But if you watch the anime, he ran his chakra through the chakra paper, and it crumpled. Pretty sure that means he has a natural aptitude for lightning. It says so in his article anyhow. It's one thing to develop a nature through training. It's another thing to have a natural aptitude. Sasuke's ability to shape it doesn't make one nature more of an affinity than the other. His one and only affinity is lightning. No different from Kakashi--Minamoto15 (talk) 00:45, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * In the anime? Ah. I was under the impression that what happens in the anime that doesn't happen in the manga isn't considered "fact." ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 02:45, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Really? I strongly disagree with ignoring the anime, but if that's how it rolls here, then there's only two solutions. 1) He has NO confirmed affinity and that section of his article needs editing, or 2) Fire Style is his affinity (no confirmation for that btw). I suppose it's a take your pick proposition.--Minamoto15 (talk) 02:56, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * At least, that's what I've been told and led to believe. I suggest no affinity. ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 02:58, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed.--Minamoto15 (talk) 03:00, December 2, 2014 (UTC)

As an Uchiha his elemental affinity is fire.This was explained by Tenzin, and supported by what Naruto said of his wind natured attacks complimenting Sasuke's fire natured ones.--Vacent (talk) 04:23, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's actually not how affinities work. What you are capable of developing through training isn't the same thing. Being an Uchiha alone has nothing to do with it.--Minamoto15 (talk) 22:26, December 2, 2014 (UTC)

But Sasuke developed Chidori through training with Kakashi while displaying his clan's fire techniques at a younger age.--Vacent (talk) 05:27, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't remove that if I were you. The anime, questionable canonical status it may have, is still official So as far as the anime is concerned, Sasuke's affinity is Lightning. And we document not only the manga, you know.--Elve Talk Page 14:12, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm for naming Lightning as his affinity, though Vacent does bring up somewhat of valid point. Does the DB cover this? ROFL!--Minamoto15 (talk) 15:33, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Is there a trivia note about Sasuke's paper test in the anime? If so, leave it at that. Kishimoto has never made it clear which nature Sasuke had an affinity for(I say "had" as the Rinnegan affords him that kind of proficiency with all of 'em). Sasuke's greater diversity of Raiton techniques could have very well been due to the nature's inherent utility, even if he had an affinity for Katon... It's been ambiguous, can't we just leave it that way? —「SaiST」Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 20:23, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Question, how is the wiki handling anime content? Because a couple episodes before the war arc started, it was confirmed that lightning "is" his affinity. It has nothing to do with being able shape the nature, or how much you train in developing a certain nature. Fact remains, Sasuke funneled his chakra through the paper and it showed Raiton no different from Kakashi.--Minamoto15 (talk) 14:33, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Blaze Release
Why has Blaze Release been removed from under Kekkei Genkai,and elemental affinity? --Vacent (talk) 04:12, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * There was never anything like Blaze Release. The cake is lie. jk jk. It was removed because apparently the 4th databook called Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi a Fire Release. NoJutsu (talk) 04:39, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Everything the manga states and/or implies is meaningless. The flawed DB is what we're basing our wiki on. Hence, no Blaze Release.--Minamoto15 (talk) 13:57, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep. That is correct.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 14:32, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Now I know what you feel like Ulti... this place has gone to hell, databook with glaring errors takes precedence over manga and common sense--Elve Talk Page 16:37, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep. The bed we made.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 16:45, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * It doesn't have to take precedence you know.--Minamoto15 (talk) 13:34, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Too late.--Elve Talk Page 14:13, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's never to late. But you'd have to go to war with those for this change, and as they are basically headed by our chief translator, you're basically a monkey with a keyboard at this point. Are you seasoned enough to challenge that authority?--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 14:29, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why should I care enough tho, since the author himself doesn't care enough to explain things properly? At this point we just assume x isn't true because Jin no Sho didn't say it's true, that's silly. So we are left with: "Sasuke made Enton up 'cause much avenger syndrome" as canonical explanation and that's the best we've got--Elve Talk Page 14:42, December 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yep. As ass stupid as that is, yep. Because the databook didn't mention it. Manga itself be damned.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 14:44, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

... :/ Wish I was around to contest this before the decision was made. It's unfortunate that the issue wasn't clarified in Jin no Sho, but I don't think this situation is exactly same as Black Lightning's; there's an apparent difference beyond mere aesthetics. But, whatever; too much of an uphill battle to have it reverted. I only hope the matter's touched on in a later Data/Fan Book that covers topics like this, in addition to the Chapters of the manga Jin no Sho couldn't. —「SaiST」Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 20:29, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Read the latest posts the ommissions thread in the Databook forum.--Minamoto15 (talk) 13:35, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

Regenerating Lost Body Parts
Okay, quick question. I know that it hasn't been explored, but I recently watched the fight between Sasuke and Itachi when I saw that scene where Sasuke had to dodge Amaterasu. When it had caught him he had escaped by using that thing that Orochimaru had used to shed his skin (when Naruto had clearly blown it off his body) and he regrew an arm. How come Sasuke couldn't do that or have Jugo create another arm out of his cells as Orochimaru had gotten a body from the man's cells.

KoPLeaderKiactu (talk) 08:45, December 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sasuke lost all of his Orochimaru-specific abilities when he was taken out of him. As for why he just didn't use Jugo to recreate his arm, 1) I can assume not having an arm is his way of making amends for the bullcrap he's done and serve as a constant reminder, and 2) Kishimoto probably likes the idea of a one-armed wanderer.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 11:35, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Saviour of this World.
Sasuke & Naruto together saved the world by sealing Kaguya and they undid the Infinite Tsukuyomi. So, shouldn't Sasuke also have Saviour of this World too? Sin2 (talk) 10:08, December 18, 2014 (UTC) Sin2 (talk) 10:16, December 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Most agree (in universe at least) that Sasuke should have been hung and the only reason he wasn't was because Naruto was the "Savior of this World". Basically, such a title was bestowed onto Naruto but not Sasuke.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 11:55, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

blaze release 2
could someone please add the blaze release in sasukes kekke genkai and nature affinity many thanks
 * Read here why it shouldn't be added. Basically, Blaze Release is Fire Release.--JOA2009:32, December 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * No, basically we were trolled by the author.--Elve Talk Page 19:30, December 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Tl;Dr version: Series points out that Nature Release are elements. Databook calls Amaterasu Fire Release. Later he makes Blaze Release which turns out is nothing at all. Kishimoto laughs.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 19:38, December 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * 2nd databook - Amaterasu is Fire Release. 4th databook - Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi is Fire Release. Conclusion: Black flames are Fire Release. The bed we made. *Sigh* Kishi... ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 19:45, December 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Or, for once let's use common sense. Fact is, you guys are letting yourselves get trolled by Kishi. If it was "really" Fire Release there would be no Enton to begin with. It's not that difficult guys.--Minamoto15 (talk) 01:46, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

You're not the one to decide that. Kishimoto dubbed it Fire Release and we go with that. • Seelentau 愛 議 01:50, December 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * This. Seriously. ~• WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 01:52, December 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * HA. You're points are well taken; I understand. I was just saying my peace. Hope you all enjoyed your holidays.--Minamoto15 (talk) 02:09, December 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Where is it stated that Kishi writes,or has anything to do with composing the Databooks,and if he has any involvement why do statements in the Databook superceed common sense as well as what's depicted in the manga? Databook says Amenotejikara has a 10m range yet there are several scans that prove this assertion false --Vacent (talk) 15:22, December 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * I wonder where that could be stated... maybe in the databooks? And just because he's the author, it doesn't mean that he's flawless. There are lots of mistakes in every databook. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:40, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

Flight Technique?
Originally, Sasuke was able to fly utilizing the wings of his Complete Body - Susanoo. However, after absorbing the Tailed Beasts' chakra in 696, he no longer had the wings, but was still flying. Therefore, is he able to use some sort of flight technique or perhaps he is using the Six Paths Flight- after all, he did have the chakra of all the Tailed Beasts and he did possess Six Paths Chakra. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 06:02, December 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Bump--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 01:19, December 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps quantum levitation.--Elve Talk Page 13:32, December 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you elaborate how that applies here?--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 17:27, December 31, 2014 (UTC)

If you think about it, this ability fits the exact description of Six Paths Flight. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 05:46, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Had Sasuke flied without his Susanoo on, I'd be all for it. However, since he had it activated, I'm not so sure…--JOA2005:55, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nagato's Deva Path (Yahiko) fly into the air when it used Almighty Push to destroy Konoha?  ~•WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 05:58, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * So it was the Deva Path then? And if not the Six Paths Flight, then the definition of the technique should be changed because as of this moment, Sasuke has the Six Paths Chakra. A connection to having the Ten-Tails/chakra of all Tailed Beasts should be mentioned, as that's what all the users of the technique possess. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 06:02, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * The definition will not be changed. That's what the manga stated. My point in bringing up Nagato was that even he flew into the air at some point. Every user of the Rinnegan (who all have the Six Paths Chakra due to having the dōjutsu) apparently has flown into the air at some point. So yes, whoever has the Six Paths Chakra should be able to fly. However, Sasuke's Susanoo makes things... screwy.  ~•WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 06:09, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Its not hard to believe that Sasuke awakened the power of six paths flight mid fight like Naruto did against Kaguya. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 06:22, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Or he is a fairy now.--Elve Talk Page 10:21, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

First of all, Tendo can not fly. Why does no one in the fandom understand that it was a completely normal way to make that moment more exiting? If it was a movie, he would've jumped in slow-motion or something like that. There are only two ways how someone can fly in the Naruto manga, Tendo doesn't possess either. Other than that, the Six Paths Flight is part of the Six Paths Sage Mode, so I don't think it still needs its own article. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:40, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well Seel, what's your take on how Sasuke was able to fly, then?--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 17:40, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, he doesn't have his winged Susanoo anymore, but who says that the new Susanoo can't fly (or float) without wings? • Seelentau 愛 議 19:30, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Then that bit should be added to the article, correct?--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 06:04, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Married?
Should we really list Sakura as Sasuke's wife and vice versa when there's no confirmation that they ever were married in a traditional sense? I mean at least with Naruto and Hinata we know for a fact they did. Not so much here. --Mandon (talk) 19:32, January 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * There's already a closed topic on this. Do you need everything spelled out for you? We don't know for a fact if Ino,or Sai are married, or Shikamaru and Temari, or Choji, and Karui. What makes more sense to you? Assuming they aren't married or that they are? This is shounen not shojo.There was a picture at Jump Festa titled "Sasuke's Family ",and it showed Sasuke posing along with Sakura, and Sarada.Don't know why no one's put it here yet. Proof
 * It hasn't been added yet cause it's a fanon drawing that wasn't seen in the manga or anime. we don't add stuff like that. Munchvtec (talk) 04:49, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * How is a sketch by Masashi Kishimoto fanon? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 05:06, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that it's completely fanon but we don't go around adding all of kishi's sketches do we? no we don't. I personally see no reason why an image that kishi drew but never added to the main story script or any naruto story script at that should be used for proof. Munchvtec (talk) 05:15, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * How is this fanon? thumb|Naruto,and Sasuke's Family Jump Festa|Proof If something drawn by Kishi isn't sufficient enough proof than we better edit a lot of character profiles since many assumptions were made involving the last chapter.--Vacent (talk) 05:30, January 12, 2015 (UTC)--Vacent (talk) 05:43, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Jesus! you ddi read my entire reply did you not? N this image isn't completely fanon but it's still just an image that was drawn by kishi. Your knowledge states that we might as well take info from all the chapter and volume cover's as well. Munchvtec (talk) 05:34, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * An image that still supports the notion that Sasuke, and Sakura are married. Whether everything Kishi draws is canon, or not is irrelevant to me since that has nothing to do with my reply to the OP.I replied with a picture witch you labeled as fanon.Fanon is made by fans not the author. --Vacent (talk) 05:48, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * There's either fanon or not fanon, there's no "its not completely fanon" BS. We have multiple sketches from kishimoto on the wiki that are arnt labeled as fanon so stop calling it that. And that image is a photo of a sketch, so there's no way it will be added to any article. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 05:50, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * @saru: we have sketch images from data books, art books, fan books and the like. this image isn't from that any of that material so if you want to call it bull shit then what ever. Munchvtec (talk) 05:53, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Anyway.....This topic was already done, and closed.When the mini series comes out whatever needs to be clarified/edited will be.For now the marital status stays.--Vacent (talk) 06:08, January 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. Munchvtec (talk) 06:09, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Status
He was pardoned and told he can be part of Konoha again, he is no longer a Missing Nin.. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:06, January 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * He was a missing-nin for most of the series, so it's suppose to stay.--Minamoto15 (talk) 22:35, January 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * And Kakashi no longer has the Sharingan so let's remove it from his page and any page that mentions Kakashing having the Sharingan. Not sure why people don't get we cover everything at once.--Elve Talk Page 23:21, January 17, 2015 (UTC)

Then I guess Hokage should be removed from Kakashi right since he was Jonin for 699 chapters right? >.> ItachiWasAHero (talk) 10:01, January 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * Wha..--Elve Talk Page 10:09, January 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * Dude, Sasuke was a missing-nin, Kakashi became Hokage, Gaara was a Jin, so all of it gets listed in the infoboxes and stays there. We cover the series entirely, not part of it. Can't explain it any simpler than that, honestly. --Minamoto15 (talk) 12:29, January 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't hurt to add former to the classification. Since at present time he is not a missing nin. Classifications are a bit different than abilities in that regard.—Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:27, January 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * Technically he still is a missing-nin, since he hasn't rejoined the ninja forces yet. His face just ain't in the wanted book.--Elve Talk Page 14:37, January 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * Besides, the wiki isn't supposed to treat anything as "current", which means nothing can be "former" either. ~SnapperTo 18:43, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

So Wood Release for the last time
Some articles do acknowledge that he does have Hashirama's cells why others don't. This is one of the cases when we can't be certain either way and stating both that he does or doesn't is speculative. So what to do? We say he doesn't have Hashirama's cells just to be safe or do we settle on that he does?--Elve Talk Page 20:10, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

He definitely has Hashirama's Cells in him, it was used to repair his heart. Naruto has it through his new arm. They both haven't shown wood release, but we both know that just because they didn't show it or don't use it doesn't mean they don't have it. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 21:02, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * So Kabuto has them too?--Elve Talk Page 21:16, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * If you're going to insist that Sasuke get listed for wood release, then Naruto better get listed as well. That's all that needs to be said. *I'm not speaking to you directly Elve, just kinda fed up with the foolishness this wiki displays sometimes. By the way, I agree with you.--Minamoto15 (talk) 01:04, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

This still isn't common knowledge? The Viz translations confirmed Sasuke had Hashirama's cells months ago.Anyone with the volume,or that is subscribed to Viz should be able to provide a scan. Now whether Sasuke has wood style as a result is a whole different story.--Vacent (talk) 04:33, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not really. It's no different than Naruto, Danzō, and Obito. The fact Naruto isn't listed is absurd, and Sasuke's no different. If you posses Hashirama's cells, you have access to Mokuton. Just because he nor Naruto hasn't shown it, doesn't mean they don't have it.--Minamoto15 (talk) 13:02, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Choku Tomoe
http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=496343&page=27

"->In exchange for Itachi’s life, “Chokutomo”/Straight tomoe of the Mangekyou Sharingan were awakened."

His Mangekyo, and Madara's Mangekyo. NOT their Eternal Mangekyo's are apparently Chokutomo. So it was indeed Madara and Sasuke themselves who had the special variant and not Izuna and Itachi. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 12:49, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Madara's Mangekyou doesn't have straight tomoe neither Itachi or Sasuke, only Madara's brother Izuna's mangekyou appear to have straight tomoe, and I think Madara must have thought of his brother while fighting Sasuke, and Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan has straight tomoe pattern.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 13:00, February 25, 2015 (UTC)

I don't believe he was actually talking talking about the straightness of the tomoe designs. Either way Sasuke does indeed have Straight Tomoe as his design had no curved edges at all. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 13:11, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes he was talking about swift and fluid movement because of those eyes, Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan has three straight tomoe moving towards the edge of circle of eye and also Madara has the same in his Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, Izuna has on his Mangekyou Sharingan, Sasuke doesn't have in his MS.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 13:18, February 25, 2015 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, as shown in DB4 Kishi has decided that Sasuke and Madara's Original Mangekyo are Chokutomo variants. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 13:21, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * But Madara's Mangekyou Sharingan doesn't have straight tomoe it is curved like a normal tomoe unless you are conveying a different meaning to Choku tomoe, also Sasuke Magekyou Sahringan doesn't have it, but his Eternal Magekyou sharingan does.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 13:25, February 25, 2015 (UTC)

Abilities Post Hagoromo Chakra
So in the first part of the ability section someone removed Sasuke's feats post Hagoromo meeting, and just left it at him being able to match Itachi during the Kabuto fight.Why was this done? And why only to his page?--Vacent (talk) 00:49, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I did it. Because it was redundant information that already could be found in the article by scrolling down.  ★   WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 00:51, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it make more sense to just get rid of that entire section all together then? It looks dumb reading his ability section, and his last feat mentioned is something that happened 100 chapters ago.Not to mention both Kakashi,and Naruto have their fests mentioned too despite it being repeated later in their articles.--Vacent (talk) 01:02, February 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm well aware. It's a work in progress for me (and others) to clean up unnecessary and redundant info from articles. Doing it one step at a time.  ★   WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 01:04, February 28, 2015 (UTC)

Ying-Yang release
In the manga, when did Sasuke use the ying-yang release?--Solidedub (talk) 16:53, March 22, 2015 (UTC)--Solidedub (talk) 16:53, March 22, 2015 (UTC)16:50, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's stated in the 4th databook that gaining Hagoromo's power grants Yin-Yang Release. Hence both Naruto and Sasuke being users of Yin-Yang Release.
 * 16:59, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

Epilogue Pic
Is there a reason we're using the screenshot of Sasuke in the Boruto film as his epilogue pic? Not sure if it matters,just curious. Also I think the pic was already added to the slide show in the "Appearance" section. --Vacent (talk) 14:50, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * I reverted that. Is it back there again? 15:53, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Why would we not use the new image? There both from the epilogue time period. --Bio havik (talk) 16:19, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's reverted WindStar, Thank you. As for why we shouldn't use it.I guess we can, but that image is from the upcoming film, and not 700 animated.It's misinformation in a sense to label it as Epilogue Sasuke when you didn't get it from the epilogue.--Vacent (talk) 16:58, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Chapter 700 isn't just the epilogue, its apart of it just as the Boruto movie is. So the only way it would be misinformation is if the infobox was labeled chapter 700, which its not. --Bio havik (talk) 17:09, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * 700 is the epilogue. Not sure what you're talking about. Chapter 699 happens, and then we get a time skip in 700 . More importantly though,700 is the epilogue of the source material. Not sure why an image from a film is being considered the same. The purple bag Sasuke has in 700 is absent in the movie screenshot. --Vacent (talk) 17:37, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Look in Sasuke's article and see what under the epilogue. Chapter 700 aswell as the Boruto movie. So the infobox can be from 1 of these places. And a out of manga storyline image can be used in a infobox if it better depicts the subject, just look at Six Paths Sage Mode. --Bio havik (talk) 18:00, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * You're grasping at straws. Since when have movie images been used to depict the character's appearance in the Bio's? That didn't happen in The Last; instead the designs were placed in the "Appearance" section. The link you posted is a chakra mode, that's completely different. It doesn't help that the image you're opting we use has discrepancies from Sasuke's attire in the manga. Sasuke in 700 is wearing a white shirt underneath his cloak. In the screenshot of the film you see him wearing a black shirt underneath it; how does that "better depict the subject" if it's not accurate? Not to mention WindStar already moved Sasuke's movie depiction further down the article. There's no need to have the same pic in two places. Lastly that is again not epilogue Sasuke as there are differences between Sasuke in 700,and the Sasuke in the Boruto film. If you want to put that image there instead of the current one we should atleast chnge it to "Boruto:Naruto The Movie" Sasuke. What happens when 700 gets animated, and Sasuke looks completely different then on the screenshot from the movie?--Vacent (talk) 18:32, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

I believe we should use the Boruto image as the movie is set in the epilogue period. @ Vacent If your going to bring up attire, there exactly the same as you can see on the Naruto artbook and if you believe the infobox image should most accurately depict the character, then it would be the boruto image as it shows his shirt collar. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 19:07, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * The Boruto image is set in a film that shows discrepancies from "The Real Epilogue" that occurred in the manga. Using an illustration from the Artbook that has no ties to the canon material as "evidence" makes no sense. In 700 Sasuke is seen with a white shirt underneath, in contrast the film shows him with a black one.--Vacent (talk) 19:21, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Vacent, it's an official pic of Sasuke. Why shouldn't we use it over an unofficial (the one who was cut out from the manga) one?--Omojuze (talk) 19:44, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * The one from the manga isn't official because it's cropped? You don't even know the context in which the Sasuke screenshot was taken. You don't know whether or not that image is a finished product, or not. There's more certainty in the manga image then that Screenshot that floated online. Also to your response to Windstar; "It perfectly captures what was shown in the manga." In the manga Sasuke was shown with a purple bag draped over his shoulder, and a white shirt underneath. Ignoring other things such as different hair lengths, and complexion the attire is different. That's not "perfectly capturing anything.--Vacent (talk) 19:54, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Cropped as in because there were four pictures. Still official. and "Epilogue" includes both chapter 700 and the Naruto Gaiden, so...--Omojuze (talk) 19:55, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * The manga(What Kishi actually drew) is more official then that screenshot which you can't even provide a source for. Since when did filler take precedence over canon material?--Vacent (talk) 20:01, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Official is official until proven otherwise. Saying that it's not is speculation.--Omojuze (talk) 20:03, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

Can the pair of you stop bickering on a talkpage? Vacent, there's no need to make passive personal attacks against other editors just because they do not agree with you. Just because something was cropped doesn't make it any less official, the editor was simply removing extraneous sections from the image to showcase the character. --Sajuuk talk 20:05, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * No one seems to have a problem with using the new images for Boruto and Sarada, so not to sure why this should be any different. So can we agree to use either the manga images or the new images for all 3 of the characters info box's. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 22:02, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * I tried to be consistent, but it seems TheUltimateThree reverted them, so I don't know anymore. Do what you want, I guess. 22:30, April 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Im in favor of using the 3 new images. --Kris.gilson.12 (talk) 16:50, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

Sasuke has been revealed in the last page of the new Naruto Manga. He resemble the one from the movie than the epilogue, if u understand what I mean. I too prefer the movie version. THANKYOU Small brother (talk) 15:32, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

S-rank
Alright, I've asked a couple of sysops about the criteria for this, and I got that there really isn't a definite set of criteria that needs to be met to be classified as an "S-rank" criminal. However, we DO know that Sasuke became rogue and outside of Madara, there's not one one mainstream character in Naruto that's a missing-nin without the S-rank label. Sasuke went as far as to attack the summit, and was considered an international criminal before everyone apparently just forgot about it due to the war. I've seen the edit get reverted a few times now, so my question is: If Sasuke was an international criminal, why is it wrong to list him as S-rank?--Minamoto15 (talk) 20:47, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * The only thing I can reliably remember about S-rank shinobi is that Akatsuki members are considered S-rank. And by Akatsuki member, I mean people who have worn the rings. Which are a plot point that was completely abandoned. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:19, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess it isn't a big deal otherwise, and at least the "Akatsuki ring" theory makes sense. All the members who bore one was classified as S-rank. Sasuke (Taka) collaborated with them, but they were never direct affiliates.--Minamoto15 (talk) 17:02, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

sasuke is not a Missing-nin. in naruto gaiden makes clear that sasuke is doing missions for konoha
 * But he was. Gaara is no longer a jinchūriki, but that doesn't mean it gets removed from his infobox. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:51, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Sensory Perception
In chapter 700+5, Sasuke was immediately aware of Shin and his father's appearance after they teleported despite being inside a building and unable to see them. I think that shows that Sasuke has become a Sensor-type at some opoint.—Steveo920 (Talk) 16:18, May 28, 2015
 * Feeling killing intent is not sensory. It would've been sensory if Sasuke were to recognize the characters, or make some notes regarding their chakra.--Omojuze (talk) 20:19, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Someone is a sensor when they actively sense/look for chakra. Noticing killing intend or chakra isn't sensory perception. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:21, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I wasn't trying to force anything. I just wanted a second opinion.—Steveo920 (Talk) 16:25, May 28, 2015

Normal Rinnegan?
In the latest issue (700 + 6) it looked as if Sasuke had a normal Rinnegan instead of the one with the tomoe. Was this an error, or perhaps the one with the tomoe was only temporary when he had Hagoromo's chakra? Diamonddeath (talk) 20:10, June 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's an error. -- Questionaredude (talk) 20:11, June 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * ^What he said.--Mina [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] talk 20:11, June 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * It'll become an error if the next time Kishimoto remembers about the tomoe. If that won't be the case, well, who knows? Anyway, Sasuke obtained Amenotejikara from Hagoromo, so he should still have the Sage's power if he could teleport.--JOA2020:15, June 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * How do we know that it's an error? It was consistently shown to have no tomoe through the whole chapter, and Sasuke's Rinnengan could have evolved. It would make sense for him to have a new Rinnengan, since Kishimoto bothered to keep his eye hidden until now. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 01:18, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * We wait and see if it's fixed in the following chapters or the volume release. There have been a number of panels in previous chapters where Sasuke's Rinnegan was missing tomoe, many of which were never fixed. There have even been obvious mistakes that span across multiple chapters in the past, such as Sasuke having his original Mangekyō design throughout his conversation with the Hokage.--BeyondRed (talk) 01:42, June 11, 2015 (UTC)

Still having Amenotejikara doesn't mean anything. He awakened it with the Rinnegan, why would his specific technique disappear? Madara had Limbo before becoming a TTJ and with one eye. It still seems that they lost the chakra that was given to them even in the Last QuakingStar (talk) 02:49, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sasuke specifically said that he got Amenotejikara due to the Sage's gift and likened that to Naruto's TSBs. If he list any of the Sage's power, then that jutsu would disappear, which it didn't. Look on the article for the technique itself Riptide240 (talk) 06:31, June 11, 2015 (UTC)

Tsukuyomi
I consider Sasuke as a Tsukuyomi user simply because he has Itachis Eyes. We saw really often that someone got the Dojutsu of the original user. Obito gave one of his Eyes to Kakashi and both had Kamui. Danzo stole one of Shisuis Eyes and could use Kotoamatsukami even a crow used it. Even the fact thast Sasuke can use Susanoo prove that there must be a second Mangekyou Jutsu, so we can assume that Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi because the former wielder of his Eyes could use it, right? --Keeptfighting (talk) 00:14, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Amaterasu and Enton: Kagutsuchi are two dojutsu. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:38, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

Really? He only change the shape of Amaterasu and this is enough to use Susanoo? o,O --Keeptfighting (talk) 13:55, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's two jutsu. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:02, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, and whats about my theory that Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi? --Keeptfighting (talk) 14:08, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's a theory. Or an educated guess, rather. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:16, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * At least I tried :D --Keeptfighting (talk) 14:24, June 16, 2015 (UTC)