Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-35155071-20180330190048/@comment-26107879-20180414221435

1) Actually, his Rasengan didn't. Chapter 502, page 15, bottom top mid panel. You clearly see the Rasengan to the left of Obito's spiked Hair. You don't count this as speed, but count chapter 502, page 8's wrist grab from Obito despite him never breaking contact after unphasing, so when he did unphase he was already grabbing him? Didn't you also just try to say Minato's doesn't count because it was instant after space-time but you count this even though it's instant with no distance between the hand and target after Obito's space-time? Proves your bias.

2) "Naruto never planned to hit 3rd Rai with the initial throw." And Naruto's clone didn't plan to hit Obito in chapter 595, page 7. But you count that? Bias. And again, Naruto stated that he knew his Chakra arm wasn't going to connect because 3rd was fast. Not because he had a plan, but because he was fast. His words. Naruto and everyone else in the Manga who thought Naruto wasn't going to hit because he was fast > you. Also, you have the audacity to even use the argument of plenty of time to dodge because of distance???? ""Obito was far" is a horrible excuse" What a hypocritical statement. The guy's eyes were inhibited and definitely weren't 100%. The Rasenshuriken was clearly closer by the time he moved compared to Obito's fall feat you presented in chapter 566 which also was stated to be apart of the plan, yet 3rd dodged with ease and while it was within grabbing distance, so I don't want to hear your bias point of view. AND 3rd's back dodge in chapter 554 page 3, was a lot closer than Obito's gunbai swing in 595. But you count Obito's even though it was just arm movement and not 3rds entire body movement which started to move when the Rasenshuriken was practically hitting his shoulder. Bias.

3) You mean when they were jumping? What does jumping have to do with Physical speed? And nooooo, they did not maintain the same distance and that posture. You clearly see the movement lines and how they took different routes and that was the end result. But you see, there's this thing called gravity that exists in Naruto. And it kind of makes people go down after they jump. So hardly a feat. The dash? You mean when Obito failed when he tried to do the same thing as Naruto and Minato, did to him? Where the user appears behind the target from above, and dives at them? Where Naruto easily 'side jumps,' not run or anything extreme; a.... side jump, to easily dodge? Odd that both Naruto and Minato can connect to Obito, but he isn't fast enough to connect with them.

4) If those exist, you certainly haven't presented them. All I've seen was throwing feats, jumping feats, kamui feats, bias feats, etc. I even presented similar feats with the same circumstances and you denied them which means you don't even agree with yourself. Just goes to show how bias you are.

You are indeed bias. From your very first comment on this thread, it showcased that. To state a bedridden teenage Obito who just awakened the Mangekyo and had no experience other than one fight with his regular Sharingan and no Genjutsu skills at the time; can beat a grown healthy Itachi is just fuming with bias opinion. I love Obito, and if he was as fast as you say, after actual proof, I'd accept it happily. But the fact of the matter is, I don't let my personal feelings cloud my judgement. I suggest you do the same.

At the end of the day, all of this is clear. Minato's Rasengan was not instant, while Obito's wrist grab was. Naruto and company stated his Chakra arms weren't going to hit 3rd because he was fast, his word kills any argument you bring. Jumping, throwing, phasing, kamui, personal opinions, does not make someone physically fast. And most importantly, even a little girl with no training can hit a Kage level caliber shinobi such as Naruto, point blank. So any attack feat that is surprising to him and point blank, is hardly a feat.