Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-24886865-20171120055248/@comment-24886865-20171122215443

Thekillman wrote: Nerosmoke wrote: the title of Kage means the strongest. It doesn't. The Kage is the one acknowledged by the village. That doesn't mean they have to be the strongest, although strong people obviously can more easily become acknowledged.

Secondly, the first era of Kage was indeed implied to be the strongest, although this is because they were forged in an era of permanent strife. If they weren't the strongest, they would never have survived.

I am sure I remember in part 1 the Hokage was said to be the title of the strongest Ninja in the village. Itachi did say something about the title of kage was the one who was acknowledged. But with out being the strongest Ninja being acknowladged alone would not be not get you there you have to be the strongest.

I mean if the 1st era of Kage was weak the Hashirama would have taken over the Ninja world. the 1st gen kages had to be at least close to Hashirama level for this to be possable. and then every gen after that would be weaker then the next with only a few exceptions along the way. UntappedRage wrote: I think you overestimate Kisame's abilities a little too much. He is indeed strong, but if he can be pushed to the brink by Bee who never went all out, and by 7th Gate Guy, he stands no chance against Hokage Naruto, even with the other swordsman as backup, especially if he has SPSM. I think you are underating Kisame's ablities. He said multiple times he was not even tring to kill bee. and the 8-tailed even said he would have lost the fight with out the help from the tailed beast. and latter the tailed beast said he was out of chakra meaning even if it was a wild tailed beast he would not stand a chance.

When His 30% Water clone was claimed to have super human strength and fought "6th gate guy' then one man with no sword tanked a konasenpu from guys base form with no damage and then fought "7th gated Guy" and his predecessor fought "8th gate Dai" and Kisame one shots fuguki with out Samehada when fuguki has Samehada. Meaning Kisame in base from with out the Sword is 7th gate level and with the sword he is a easy 8th gate level.

Kisame has taken out both the 4th and 8th tailed beasts alone and has even made the 8tails say he was out of chakra, Meaning even Naruto's tailed beast levels of chakra can be drained by his Sword.

By throwing the other members of the Swordsmen into the mix we get Raiga for example who 1-shoted a post vote sasuke fight Naruto. has massive ligthing attacks from range. The Blast Sword Shibuki and was claimed to shape the earth it's self that make a massive hole that would trap Naruto allowing ligthing blasting of the hole/Kisame water shockwave/waterdome. The blast from the bomb sword it's self. Kushimaru Spider traps and Jinin can smash the chakra armor thing naruto has, and Mangetsu/Chojuro who chakra blades can price a guy around white space alien level/Is buffed by water dome. Zabuza can prob do something too. So the Mist Blades are not with out the abilty to do so they are said to be nation busters for a reasion.