Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-37960523-20191227052712/@comment-38812954-20200101005525

@Ultima. "Both Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu requires prep time for Itachi to use. Naruto, Fukasaku, and Shima will be able to sense the build up and warn Jiraiya. In the case that either of them fail to hit their target, Itachi will be left defenseless as he recoils from MS strain and exhaustion."

i think it's just a look. you can refer to deidara and sasuke and naruto and killer bee etc

@Prince. "Also Itachi stated that a battle between him and Jiraiya would likely end in both of them dying, so as far as I'm concerned, they are at least even in that regard."

Itachi underestimated himself here really. because jiraiya has no real answer to tsukuyomi. make it worse. simultaneous attacks while immobile under genjutsu

"Naruto can buy time for Jiraiya to seal any flames he needs to, but realistically, he won't need to because both Jiraiya and Naruto possess the speed necessary to dodge Amaterasu. The thing that might catch Jiraiya and Naruto off guard would be a Kirin and even then, Sage Mode might protect them from most of it, but I don't think it will provide as much protection as a Susanoo would."

i think we're arguing that they get stopped in their tracks by genjutsu first. and speed to what? base naruto and jiraiya are that fast?

"So onto Naruto and Sasuke. I don't think this OP's Sasuke can beat Naruto. Naruto was doing quite well in the Pain Fight for the most part, and we know the OP's Sasuke isn't equal to Pain at all. Sasuke on the other hand, his vision started getting worst the more he used his techniques. We already know his V1 Cloak can block Amaterasu. I'll even go out on a limb and say a Rasenshuriken can penetrate a Susanoo."

he definitely is stronger in terms of raw power but sasuke as a slight advantage over him. the sharingan. it's also incredible how he fought for so long at the five kage summit, spammed his MS abilities. went into another prolonged fight (again after that), and only went blind after. and loool, naruto's rasenshuriken couldn't even kill kakuzu

"Also, for those saying ITachi will use Tsukuyomi over and over: Yea... No. He has never spammed that technique whatsoever, and we know he can barely hold a Susanoo together."

he won't need to spam it since it destroys right away. and how many times did he do it vs sasuke in their battle?

he can barely hold a susanoo together? in part one, itachi used amaterasu to break him and kisame out jiraiya's frog stomach jutsu, and after that, said he was tired (and he said using tsukuyomi made him weary to). and then vs sasuke, he tsukuyomi's the shit out of him. amaterasu f@#*ks sasuke's fireball jutsu (using the jutsu himself. so he amaterasu coats his, and sasuke's fireball jutsu). takes anal from probably the most powerful lightning jutsu in the series (after indra's arrow) and still had enough in him to use the susanoo while he's sick and nearly blind. itachi prior to all that has more than enough in him to hold the susanoo together, and that's the itachi being considered in the OP right now.