Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-3568954-20150530220024/@comment-26275777-20150531015151

Actionmanrandell wrote: chakra is a combination of mental and physical energy therefore any training that increase the overall size of the chakra network is going to have an added bonus of strength this is just logic

Giant leap of logic there. Chakra that is already molded takes already existing "stamina" (better described as physical strength IMO) and spiritual energy and combines them into a new form. When it goes from a dispelled clone to the original it goes in that new form. It doesn't separate back into its component forms any more than natural energy separates from senjutsu chakra or water-natured chakra from a Mokuton technique. It's *already moulded*, into something that's *entirely new*. Somehow I don't think you're getting that point.

And I'm not entirely sure you're clear on what a chakra network is either. It's simply a system of channels for already produced energy. Does making your blood vessels bigger give you more blood? It's the *chakra coils* (that are wrapped round the vital organs) that produce chakra. sakura didn't always have monstrous physical strength

Practically all her super strength is *chakra enhanced*. Meaning she strategically *releases* chakra to devastating effect, and it works for her because she has amazing chakra control and not because of her reserves. Without that she's not much stronger (and arguably even weaker) than her average peer. That was, you know, the entire reason why she learnt the whole chakra enhanced strength thing from Tsunade. Really now.

And now I'm not entirely sure you know what chakra is. It's *already transmuted energy*. Already moulded. Chakra doesn't affect your spiritual and physical energy, it's *the other way round*. It's like a fire. Fire is created by heating fuel and oxygen. Does creating a bigger fire produce more fuel and oxygen? No - you're *using it up*. In fact, you can't even create a bigger fire in the first place if you don't already have more fuel and oxygen to feed it. And when you do, the fire has lost the properties of both the fuel and the oxygen. It's something entirely new. Carrying it over to someone else (in this case the original) doesn't give them more fuel and oxygen. It gives them more *fire*. You can give them heat, and light (in this case the information that's passed along with the chakra), but you cannot give them back the fuel and the oxygen.

actually the manga confirms my speculations when kiba used shadow clones as a means to increase his stamina. which is the exact same thing as chakra.

Actually the thing you claim confirms your speculations pretty much rejects them. Kiba specifically trained with Shadow Clones, presumably since sometime during the time skip. That's at least two years of real time, no? By your logic he should be spamming techniques left right and center by now, but guess what? He can only produce an extra head. Going linearly, that's about 1.5 times his original limit. Which is entirely my point - the human body has limits, determined by genetics. Training forever and ever is pointless when the training's effects have limits.

And once again you're completely messing up the logic train. Chakra and stamina are not the same thing. Having high stamina means you have a larger pool of physical energy to mould chakra from. If you're shit at control you will still mould bullshit, if you're shit at meditation and spiritual stuff you'll mould bullshit, but overall the larger pool means on average you'd have more chakra. It doesn't mean that those with low stamina have low chakra either. Itachi's stamina is rated low because of his illness, and yet even while dying (in his fight against Sasuke) he matched Sasuke move for move until *Sasuke* ran out of chakra, and even had enough left over to use Susanoo and perform Transcription Seal: Amaterasu.

it says that originally asura was weak had hardly any chakra and eventually through training he developed a power that rivaled his brother and guess what Asura had chakra that surpassed a bijuu

Are you seriously using Asura, flat-out *demigod*, as an example? *Asura* of all people? First of all Asura was never said to be *weak*. He was said to be *talentless*. Guess who else was talentless at first? Naruto. Guess who else already had enough chakra at the beginning of the series to create dozens of clones? Naruto. Guess who's Asura's reincarnation? *Naruto*. Secondly, are you actually using Asura who was explicitly stated to have been gifted with his father's "body", a power which he *awakened*, i.e. that he didn't just train for, to support your argument?

a persons abilities in naruto is different from real life in which there strength is determined by an invisible mystical energy called chakra

That you already have. That you've already moulded. Then you use that chakra to enhance your strength. But wait, that chakra is drawn *from your existing resources*. It doesn't magically expand forever. And oh look, your resources are actual quantifiable things that have limits. How shocking. You keep talking about "physical energy" like it's some mystical thing. It's stamina. You know, from your body. That's subject to tiring out. And I find it hilarious that you consistently use exceptional individuals such as Asura's reincarnation and an 800-year-old Sage Toad to prove your hypothesis.

look at when sakura used her seal on her fourhead

Yup, filler arcs prove so much.

The Yin Seal is a chakra store. As in, you know, you've spent *years* moulding chakra and putting it there. It's not expanding your reserves or your chakra network. It's basically a backup fuel tanker. Now if that was the training method you were proposing there would actually be some logic to it since it's been shown to work on an otherwise unexceptional individual, but then again it requires insanely high levels of chakra control so there's that.

this wiki also states

you say there is no proof that training can increase ones chakra volume and power

When did I say that? Somehow you manage to miss the entire point of what I said, supported by the wiki.

They are limited by genetics. Don't have the genes? Sorry, training till kingdom come, even if you "speed" it up by using shadow clones, will only get you so far. Even with the genes, there's a *limit* to how far you can go. Bodybuilders don't keep bulking up forever. There are even limits within the chakra system itself on how much chakra a given individual can produce and release (you may know them as the Eight Gates). It doesn't mean you're born with a fixed chakra reserve, but that it can only grow to a certain amount. The Raikage was born with the *potential* to have bijuu level chakra. Not everyone has that potential.

You gave a balloon example - no amount of human blowing can inflate a regular party balloon to the size of a hot-air balloon or even more than a few gallons. The material it's made of just can't withstand that pressure. The material some ninjas' bodies are made of just can't withstand that chakra (there's a reason inheriting the Sage's body is a big deal after all). No amount of training can negate that, unless you're willing to pay with your health and/or life.

And holy cow you completely misinterpreted the bit about Naruto's chakra. Back in the day his chakra reserves were already 100 times Kakashi's own, but the majority of it went into actively maintaining Kurama's seal and so he only had access to a pool about four times the size of Kakashi's. Kakashi flat out says this. Not sure how you missed that. Also I'm not sure where you get the idea of a "fully awakened transmigrant" from, or how you infer that his chakra surpasses that of a bijuu when the manga says that he required Kurama's chakra mixed in to compare to Hashirama's own. Every illustration of their chakra connecting together shows Kurama's chakra pool far, far eclipsing Naruto's natural one. This again is a prime example of genetics and external factors at play; in the war Naruto was taking *Kurama's* chakra and moulding it into his own signature, not growing any particular physical/mental reserves of his own.

It was the chakra from the bijuu that he sealed inside him that gave him Six Paths Senjutsu, like everyone else. Again, see above on how Naruto was using the power from giant chakra constructs and not expanding his own reserves. Tell me again how "regular shinobi can use this method too!"