Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26107879-20181004003653/@comment-34194151-20181202223418

@LegionZero, Those hand sign instances you sighted can be debunked because I can simply argue the signs were too fast to be seen just like you are claiming, and just like I already said in my previous. The writer doesn't always show them for cinematic purposes unless it's needed for the plot. Kakashi can follow kakazu's signs and we see a snapshot of kakazu's seal so that the reader can see Domu requires earth style seals. In the sasuke vs deidara instance, sasuke could have easily placed his sword in his armpit before casting the seals. Sasuke could have moved his hand and then placed it back on the ground. Killer bee wasn't stated to require handsigns for his lightning release technique though. Lol no, in a boxing or karate match victory is on the line. The fighters don't always use their top speed because that's not how a fight works. They close the distance between each other, or run away to avoid dangerous combos, but other than that, the emphasis is mostly on combat speed.

Obito kept up in combat speed due to sharingan, incredible reflexes, and kamui, and knowledge on minato's abilities, nothing more nothing less. Nothing says he was as fast in running speed. FTG level 2 is minato's fastest attack. The kunai was directly above obito. FTG is instant. All minato had to do was slightly adjust his arm and then obito was easily tagged by his rasengan. Minato's top running speed is slower than his FTG. As Ninja of War already explained, it's impossible for minato to have analyzed kamui the first time aroundbecause he was clearly suprised by it. He simply observed, and that was the begininning of his analysis During round 2, Minato was analyzing kamui and obito's fighting style. The proof is on Chapter 502 pg 13, Minato confirms obito's fighting style and he is confident in how kamui works enough to reveal his FTG level 2 trump card. Refer to that user's post, because they explained it perfectly. There is no guarantee obito wouldn't sense minato's top running speed.. We have seen obito reacting to attacks coming into his blindspots multiple times, he clearly has good situational awareness and he has two ears to hear objects coming near him. The second he hears something sus he can phase in an instant. It would be stupid for minato to use his regular running speed to combat such an ability, which is why the second he understood how obito operates, he used FTG level 2 to guarantee he tags obito.

Lmao what? OBito wasn't screwing around. Project Tsykuyomi was on the line. Chapter 595 pg 10, Obito says to Guy "I'll start with you". Guy stalemated him in CQC, fair and square. Obito wasn't zipping around him because he is not as fast as you think he is. Why throw shurikens at him when he can rofl blitz guy according to you on Chapter 595 pg 9. Let Guy come in close then run a circle around him into his blindspot and warp him away. Obito was stated to be capable of defeating anyone of them with a single touch lmao. Even if Obito is significantly faster than guy, The characters don't always use their top speed. Therefore you don't have any solid evidence that obito is as fast minato. In fact, the fact that obito is always impressed by minato's bodyflicker (such as when minato rescued naruto before obito can stab the baby naruto, minato using his body flicker after warping to kushina and running on top of a nearby tree to avoid kurama's palm) would suggest he isn't as fast as minato.

So you concede that naruto doesn't always use his top speed in a serious battle. He felt the combination attack with sasuke was worth more than using his top speed, which is the whole point. You can't just say that the characters always use their top speed 24/7 unless you can be sure of their mindset and all the other variables involved, aka PHYSICS and TUNNEL VISION.

Lol no, who cares that the other jins can see him. The point is, if kcm naruto uses his top speed, roshi can't react to him, and neither can any of the other jins. It doesn't matter that they have shared vision. the characters don't always use their top speed. We see naruto using his top speed to slap away bijuu damas that would have vaporized both guy and kakashi. he used his top speed there because bijuu damas can't "counter attack" like people can, so there was no risk, and when he uses that speed the characters always compare his running speed to the yellow flash's running speed.

Lol, even after killer bee cleared the forest, naruto wasn't seen using his top speed. We see him opting to block attacks instead of "running circles" like you are claiming would happen if there is a huge speed difference. Like I said, be consistent. Either concede he doesn't always use his top speed or then you are arguing all those V2 jins are as fast as kcm naruto, and by extension, 6 gates guy is as fast as kakashi and they are both as fast as kcm naruto.

Lol. obito wasn't running circles against Fuu and torune, therefore by your logic Fuu and torune are as fast as minato lmao. Obito punked them by doing what he always does, phase through attacks, and then materializing to counter attack. He sneaked up on insect boy from behind and warped him away. He used a feint to disract mind transfer boy and then warped him away by coming out of the ground.

Also, not how tunnel vision works. When running, objects in front of you get bigger as you get closer but your peripheral vision gets weaker the faster you run and the longer you run for at that speed the harder it is to see stuff right in front of you. The sharingan increases visual acuity. Raiton armor increases your reflexes, which means your synapses are processing visual information more efficently, also sage mode presumably increases danger sensing, so even if you can't see the attack it's easier for you to be aware that a counter attack is coming. Minato is a literal speed demon. Even for his reflexes, running at his absolute top speed would still cause tunnel vision, because he lacks a sharingan, raiton armor, or sage mode danger sensing. Minato would only risk that if he confident his opponent wouldn't be able to react effectively, and if his opponent blocks it, that isn't too bad because then it becomes a battle of taijutsu skill and combat speed. but if they actually counter attack him, he could be dead. There is no reason for him to risk that against an oppponet he knows can phase, and all that's waiting for minato are chains ready to grab him so that obito can warp him away.

Minato vs raikage and bee? When did minato ever use his running speed in that fight lol? He used FTG the whole time. V1 ayy wasn't necesaarily using his top speed against sasuke there, so debunked.