Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180727165341/@comment-6769189-20180806075046

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Also, i disagree about his eyes being able to follow Raikage. IF it could, his amaterasu would have landed, instead his amaterasu hit an after image. A moved after Ameterasu was already launched. Amaterasu itself doesnt seem to travel very fast. Sasuke managed to avoid it with sheer speed for quite a bit in his fight with Itachi

CombatIQmatters wrote:

@Legion Zero chap 463 pg 14. On that page, sasuke only turned his head after the amaterasu shield formed and after Ay stopped his blitz. Karin even says sasuke can't follow his movements, so he instinctively guarded his entire body with the flames to protect himself from all sides. In the translation i read, Karin said "even if he cant follow Raikage's movements" and that doesnt seem to be a definitive statement to me. Sasuke himself never noted problems seeing his movements.

At worst it seems Sasuke cant predict his movements but can see him as if he was looking at him without Sharingan because he was watching when A took that swing at him and he did nothing about it

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Is guy, he doesn't have a sharingan and in base he shouldn't be anywhere near KCM speeds... unless I'm downplaying Guy or something. Guy is really strong but I attribute this to team coordination. We cant see where he is positioned to guage how fast he is moving in comparison to Naruto and Obito. Naruto kept Obito from finishing him off a few times. The only real confrontation they got into was when Obito was midair and he couldnt use his footspeed then, but he was still pulling 180's and throwing stuff at him in the amount of time it takes Guy to flick his nunchuck behinf his back.

In ch. 596 p10 Obito called him unimpressive, so Obito really doesnt seem to take him seriously.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Also, for some reason Naruto wasn't using his top speeds versus Ay intitally either. So like there are plot elements involved that can be hard to distinguish. He didnt know how fast Raikage was and wasnt in life-threatening danger until Raikage went for that kill shot.