Talk:Sage Transformation

Senjutsu?
I have a slight issue/slightly confused on the matter. I know Jūgo's clan uses natural energy and all but is it right to classify what they do as Senjutsu o.O--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 11:47, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * It doesn't seem like any of them actually controlled the energy so it's probably not classifiable as Senjutsu. TricksterKing (talk) 12:05, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call it senjutsu. Senjutsu is what happens when you have senjutsu chakra, which requires a minimum of balance between the three energies. Jūgo and his clan were never said to balance those three energies. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:38, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * But Orochimaru's cursed seals use senjutsu chakra, why wouldn't Jugo? And unbalanced natural energy turns people into stone.

On another note, anyone else notice that Jiraiya's unbalancing of senjutsu chakra in parts of his body to make himself toad-like is similar to sage transformation? Also, when Jugo was talking about orochimaru taking his power from kabuto, he referred to kabuto's sage mode as sage transformation (in mangastream translation, someone please check if this is accurate), which leads me to believe they are one and the same, with the exception of it being a kekkei genkai. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 19:33, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Orochimaru applied his own senjutsu chakra to the seal, and you only turn to stone if while taking in the natural energy, you can't handle it and it overwhelms you. From what I understood, Sage Transformation is due to passive absorption of natural energy. However, because Jūgo can't balance it, it causes the transformations. Kabuto used that ability to make it easier to absorb natural energy, but he was able to balance it with his chakra, creating senjutsu chakra, thus entering a true Sage Mode. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:13, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Nothing special
I don't think this is worth an extra article. The term just describes what Naruto and all the others are doing when they gather natural energy. Seelentau 愛議 14:08, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * But getting rid of this article would mean we'd have nothing to list Jūgo as a user of. For me, this lists the passive absorption of natural energy, which isn't the case with true Sages. Kabuto did this, but unlike Jūgo's clan, he was able to balance the three energies to enter in a true Sage Mode. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:38, July 11, 2012 (UTC)