Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-26005711-20151024205600

First, I don't see the way how will Itachi beat Naruto with Tsukuyomi, when Naruto can fly and that's how will he dodge the Tsukuyomi. Second, I think healthy Itachi can beat Jiraiya because he can use Susanoo longer plus Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, but I think he must to use Izanami. Jiraiya can maybe beat Itachi with sound genjutsu, but I think Itachi is winner. Prodigy hero wrote: @Minato87 It all depends on how the genjutsu would affect him and how his regen properties would come into play for his recovery but no I don't believe he could defeat six paths Naruto but he would own Jiraiya just like Sasuke who is stronger than Nagato. EMS Sasuke isn't stronger than Nagato. Rinnegan Sasuke will smash Nagato. Which Sasuke? Prodigy hero wrote: I would like to address this, I am noticing that some here due to previous experiences seem to be taking it out on people on Itachi's side rather than focusing on OP's topic. Yes there are some fanboys who take it to the extreme, Itachi has fanboys for a reason, just like Jiraiya has fanboys too, some who even think that just because he taught Naruto some common genjutsu defence that he is immune to it entirely and many other things, so do many other characters but discrediting/downplaying everything related to it because of said fans is also not fair. For the record I don't believe Itachi could take on EMS Madara or even Rinnegan Madara but if it was MS only Madara (after Izuna's death period) yes I believe he could, that is debatable. To have a chance at taking on EMS Madara he would need an EMS of his own (he could steal back Shisui's other eye from Danzo and then EMS for him Kotomatsukami + Tsukyomi ftw) Itachi can beat EMS Madara because he has Sword of Totsuka to seal Madara's PS. Rinnegan Madara is much stronger than Itachi. Prodigy hero wrote: Getting back on topic, when Itachi stated that if he and Jiraiya fought it would be a stalemate resulting in their deaths, I believe it was true only for that instance. Even if he was a liar and a double agent, there was still some truth to what he said excluding the part where further reinforcements would be pointless. He was already fatigued from fighting in Konoha and then used Tsukyomi and Amaterasu (so that's 3 ms dojutsus in total) in the same day he even had to turn off his dojutsu (he has never done that) he keeps his on constantly. I also don't believe there is such a thing as a "healthy" Itachi because he caught his disease in his childhood but this is the scenario chosen by over 9000 and I believe it is in Itachi's favor, even if he wasn't healthy I still believe he would defeat Jiraiya. Some are just underestimating/downplaying the uses of genjutsu and how they can change the tide of a fight, if it were so simple Kabuto (or Deidara that trained his eye to counter it) would not go out of his way to "seal his eyes" just to not be prey to genjutsus and ironically he was still caught and defeated by a genjutsu. I am not sure that Itachi will win, I think he is stronger than Jiraiya. If Itachi use Tsukuyomi on Jiraiya, Fukasaku and Shima will attack him. SM Jiraiya is really fast, so he can dodge Sword of Totsuka or Amateras, plus Jiraiya has sound genjutsu. Izanami will help against Jiraiya, but without Izanami I think Itachi will lose to Jiraiya. This battle will be really interesting. Itachi can beat Jiraiya with Tsukuyomi if he caught him in genjutsu before he summons Fukasaku and Shima.