Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30112523-20170118130051/@comment-30168130-20170120022015

1- guy is fast, but in the moon there is probably very little/thin air. if toneri were to fly high enough, guy wouldn't have a chance of fighting him. 2- even guy needed help getting to madara when he put up the tsb shield. no help here. and I myself, like to think that guy just punched madara so hard that he lost concentration, and the tsb broke cuz of madara's lack of concentration. and its doenst prove that he's strong enough to brake them, since we haven't actually seen him do it. 3-he most probably will dodge it, but a chance is always gonna be a chance. don't forget that. one hit and guy is dead. but, yeah, he will dodge it most of the time (at least 80 percent of it) 4-imo toneri is faster than madara, so I give this one to toneri. of course toneri isn't guy lvl when talking bout speed, but it will most surely help him out better that it did madara. madara imo, didtn have more power and jutsu, in that one ttj form of his. the later ones, yeah he's obviously stronger, but this one madars we're talking about, imo is a bit weaker than toneri. if u gave him his other rinne, even before he got the shinjuu tree in himself, I would say he's stronger, but with only one rinne, and missing half of kurama, I have to give this to toneri. 5-it wasn't ksm. it was bm (full kurama) and sm, which were way better and more trained that the forms he got during the war (besides spsm). imo, as I like to repeat a lot (sorry), guy isn't as powerful. he's equal to/ bit weaker than 1 rinne ttj madara, and madara is, imo, equal to toneri, and toneri is just a bit under Naruto, so I like to think that the last Naruto> guy 8th gate. imo of course. I don't think that sekizo's will land on toneri in such a wide area for him to dodge, but opinions man... well, waiting to see ur answer.. sorry, I put something wrong, thinking u were talking about kcm.. I misread it. sorry.