Talk:Itachi Uchiha

Kenjutsu
Shouldn't Itachi's kenjutsu skills be given a note, which were aptly displayed when he cut off Kabuto's horn.188.140.178.3 (talk) 20:32, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

I think he has mastery with all ninja tools/weapons in general ... after all, ANBU wear Katanas and Uchiha are skilled in that area :P --Elveonora (talk) 20:52, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Besides ability sections are only created when a character either uses an ability on a regular basis or displays unusual variations of such. Darksusanoo (talk) 21:10, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * A note possibly. Not that what he did to Kabuto's horn would warrant that note but since he's an Anbu he was more than likely trained in kenjutsu.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 21:17, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Itachi hasn't done enough with a sword to warrant a section. Swinging a sword once and cutting off a horn isn't notable.--Deva 27 21:35, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

He massacred the whole clan using a sword "_" --Elveonora (talk) 21:40, May 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Deva, have you completely forgotten about the Uchiha Clan Massacre?! He used a damn sword there! --Speysider (Talk Page) 21:43, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

I agree we should include it. Slayersimon (talk) 10:59, May 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * What exactly would be added there? We know nothing of how he killed the members of the Uchiha clan using a sword with the exception of his parents and that's still a lot left to speculate there. There were also a ton of kunai and shuriken at the scene of the Massacre. All we've seen him do is block Kabuto's chakra scalpel with the sword. None of this is enough to give him his own section on kenjutsu.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:05, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Method of defeating the Edo Tensei
It is said in the intelligence section of Itachi's article it is written that "he seems to have found a method to defeat the Impure World Reincarnation altogether." But it was simply forcing the user to stop the technique. Either write as "he deduced a method" or remove it completely.37.41.182.143 (talk) 11:48, May 12, 2012 (UTC) "Itachi appears to have deduced a method of defeating countering the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation" That is what was there prior to your post.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 11:53, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Nigete nigete...
Is there a translation by ShounenSuki of Itachi's (imo coolest) words? Because the one in the article doesn't look correct to me... Seelentau 愛議 16:22, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * "Forgive me Sasuke… …It ends with this." ?--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 16:26, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * No no, the nigete-stuff. About Sasuke living a wretched life and all. It should be in the citate section, I think. Seelentau 愛議 16:42, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Uhm. I looked... and I don't see what you're talking about. o.o --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 16:48, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I mean the words he said to his brother after he killed his clan. ABout how Sasuke is not worth killing and should live a life in hate and such. It's in the text about Itachi's past, but not in the quotes-section. And it seems odd to me. Seelentau 愛議 17:02, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh. Though it'd been much easier if you just pasted the quote ( '-') y u no paste? If there isn't kanji and such with the quote it's unlikely it was gotten from Shounensuki.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:06, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I was too lazy, sorry^^ But thanks, I think I'll ask him to translate it if he ever comes back~ Seelentau 愛議 17:20, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll leave the door on the latch, if you ever come back, if you ever come back♫ T_T. I've been meaning to reference his quotes for a while now either way.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:22, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Here are the Kanji and rōmaji, if you need them: 貴様など…殺す価値も無い. …愚かなる弟よ……. このオレを殺したくば、恨め!憎め!そして みにくく生きのびるがいい………. …逃げて逃げて…生にしがみつくがいい. , ''Kisama nado… Korosu kachi mo nai. …Orokanaru otōto yo…… Kono ore o koroshitakuba, urame! Nikume! Soshite, minikuku ikinobiru ga ii……… …Nigete nigete… Sei ni shigamitsuku ga ii.'' :) Seelentau 愛議 17:30, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 18:41, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Izanagi
I think we should include Izanagi to Uchiha Itachi Jutsu because The Uchiha, descended from the Sage, are able to perform Izanagi with their Sharingan. and He reached the point where he could even make use of one of the Uchiha clan's ultimate dōjutsu, Izanami, and had knowledge of its counterpart, Izanagi. what to you think guys? Slayersimon (talk) 10:55, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * No. He's never used it.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:06, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

@ Cerez365 Yes my friend he never seen used it because he dont have to. but the knowledge in the jutsu of Izanami to counter Izanagi and the details in explaining inch by inch say he can do the jutsu as explained to manga 587. there for he can also use it so we must include it to uchiha itachi jutsu. Slayersimon (talk) 12:54, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * It is more than likely that he can use it. Just as how it is more than likely that every Sharingan-wielder can use Izanagi and Izanami. However, Itachi has never used the technique only spoken about it so he cannot be listed as a user. Information that was more than likely passed down through the clan.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 12:56, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

By this logic, we would have to list Sasuke Uchiha as a user of Izanagi too because he essentially knows the ins and outs of the technique. Just because a user knows the technique and how it works doesn't mean it is a part of their arsenal. Besides that, I believe the site has a very strict "we have to see it to believe it" policy when it comes to adding techniques to lists. Gojinn (talk) 00:06, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

I believe to be able to use the Izanagi the wielder needs both Uchiha(which of course he has) and Senju DNA. and I dont think it says anywhere that Itachi has Senju DNA. 71.48.214.128 (talk) 13:11, June 4, 2012 (UTC) NaruFan

Kotoamatsukami
i think we should also include this to itachi's jutsu as explained to manga 587. Slayersimon (talk) 12:56, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * He meant use it on Sasuke in the same manner he used it on himself, through his crow. It still only makes him an indirect user of the technique.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 12:57, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Quote - 587
I think we should add his quote to Sasuke asserting his imperfection, that was a good one :P akz!  16:44, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Moniker revisited
I know that people can generally call themselves [village's] and their name but Itachi insists on calling himself that on more than one occasions. So I think it might actually be a moniker granted that what he called himself the first time and as of chapter 588 are the same thing. Thoughts? --Cerez 365 ™(talk) 22:59, May 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, he did kill his whole clan to save the leaf village so I'm sure he would want to be known as a konoha ninja. It seems a little overdone to me to call him that, like if we called Sasuke 'avenger' just because that's what he calls himself, you know? Joshbl56  23:26, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, but it's all in the way they say it. The way Sasuke says it isn't "I'm Avenger", Itachi's called himself "Konoha's Itachi Uchiha" twice. There seems to be meaning behind it to me at least.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 23:45, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

@Cerez365 ??!!?
 * It's all about the way things are said. Sasuke said he was an avenger not [the] "avenger". One's a classification the other can be used as a moniker. But never mind this as Itachi refers to himself as "Konoha's Itachi Uchiha" in one instance and then "Konohagakure's Itachi Uchiha" so since it's not fixed then it isn't really moniker notable.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 10:25, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Blind?
At the time of Itachi's death his eyesight was very poor, in fact he could barely see at all. But Impure World Resurrection is supposed to endlessly regenerate the body. Does that include eyesight? If so, when Itachi uses Izanami, does his eye even lose sight at all? And even if it did couldn't he destroy the eye altogether and let it regenerate? And if he could do that then what's to stop the resurrected Madara from using Izanagi/Izanami as many times as he wants? Anyway, not expecting any answers, just throwing ideas around. 76.197.13.64 (talk) 18:56, June 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Edo Tensei is suppose to resurrect someone the exact same way they were before they died (Which is why Nagato looked older). Apparently Itachi wasn't quite as blind as we thought. As for jutsus, they still affect the dead body the same way they would have if they were alive so Itachi will stay blind in that one eye. Joshbl56  19:08, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * It is possible that was was happening to Itachi was just temporary from the extended use. Kinda like severe eye-strain somewhat like what Neji went through just that with them, it get's terrible and then better, but doesn't go back to being perfect. It's really one of those things that Kishimoto would have to answer. As for using Izanagi and Izanami, Itachi's eye is still blind, I don't think that would change even if the eye was destroyed and regenerated, that doesn't make the eye brand new just reverts it to the state it was in prior to being destroyed. Or else Nagato could've destroyed his legs and got new ones.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 19:57, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

You guys do realize that Edos are still susceptible to the drawbacks of their own techniques, right? Mū and his Splitting and Capt'n Awesome and his Steamboy are examples. There's no doubt this would be for keeps. Edo Tensei only regenerates physical blows anyway, as in destroyed body parts. Skitts (talk) 06:01, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Legacy section
since Itachi came back as a character for reals, shouldn't the Legacy section be integrated before the World War section? 03:10, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * No. Edo Tensei is essentially a temporary resurrection. It only binds hiis soul to the Impure World so long as the technique is active. It doesn't change the fact that Itachi is still dead and his body is decaying. Plus he's about to end the technique. Skitts (talk) 05:58, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Genjutsu Abilities
Genjutsu abilities under skills section. I see Ninjutsu and Taijutsu prowess but not genjutsu. Seems strange seeing as how he's the most proficient genjutsu user in the series.
 * That information should be present under his Sharingan section. No use repeating the same information twice.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 12:28, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Image
I think Itachi Uchiha Infobox needs a new, and refurbished image. I don't think the current image is a very good image. WeAreTheAkatsuki (talk) 21:57, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why? --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 22:01, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * No reason whatsoever to change it. Unless you can find a suitable image to use from the original Naruto that would suffice, then post it here but the image won't change. --Speysider Talk Page 22:02, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Below-Average Chakra Levels
Where does it say that he had below-average chakra levels? It used to say that I know but someone got rid of it thankfully. Honestly the reason he had below-average chakra levels was because of his illness. It was never stated in the manga or anime though so why did people put it in the first place instead of just "his illness"?--BlackGhost91 (talk) 02:55, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Look at his stats, 2.5 for stamina ... that's really low, especially for Jounin level or in his case even higher. We don't know if it was due to his illness or not (unless manga or databook stated as such) but if you compare it to Ninja around his age and skill, he really has below average chakra levels. Kakashi was directly stated to have low stamina, and he has 3 ^_^ --Elveonora (talk) 15:31, June 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I kinda agree with BlackGhost. There's never been an "average" for stamina ever stated. Kurenai is a jōnin and her stamina level is 2 yet her article doesn't state that she has "below-average" levels of stamina. I don't think it's important that it's mentioned that it's below average since it's more than likely a direct cause of his illness. Take Hiruzen for example, only his physical-related stats have waned since his old age (well that's me assuming). Also Itachi's rank is ANBU.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 15:53, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Kakashi was noted to have low stamina and he is 3. That's the only reason I wrote the above :P And that's not an assumption, since stats can increase by training - they can wane by advanced age ... what supports this is the statement that Hiruzen's chakra level has dropped ... maybe he had 5/5 in his prime. Also I was talking about Itachi as a Jounin power wise ... Naruto and Sasuke are almost/if not more Kage level and they are technically genin--Elveonora (talk) 16:22, June 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * However, what they are stating, and making a very valid point at, is that there is not an "average" chakra level ever demonstrated in the series. Each character has varying degrees of chakra and the databooks are so far apart that the stats are rarely an accurate portrayal of the character's abilities beyond the point in the manga the databook in question covers. In fact, your statement itself is contradictory. You say that Itachi has low chakra for an "average" Jōnin, however, the only other Jōnin that has really had his chakra commented on in great detail is Kakashi and his was also low. Chakra is not bigger or otherwise just because a person is a certain rank, as shown by both Naruto and Sasuke. There is no "average" chakra for a certain rank, or for ninja in general. Chakra levels are unique to the ninja in question and his or her abilities. Rewording the statement to saying "Itachi has unusually low chakra", with a few examples following, removes the below-average statement while acknowledging that Itachi does, in fact, have low chakra. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 10:20, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, what you said. EDIT: Sasuke was stated to have more chakra and mastery for a genin of his age for example. Not rank-wise but power-wise, Itachi was Kage level or more, and 2.5 is still low chakra level when compared to Kakashi's 3 that's also low--Elveonora (talk) 12:21, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Chapter 590
Just a question: did he really called "Madara" by the name of Tobi? If so, that means he doesn't believe Tobi is Madara Uchiha like he said before fighting Sasuke? Rubião (talk) 23:46, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

In the translation I read he never said his name at all. He just said that he knew about him and that he knew he wanted revenge against the Uchiha clan. -EriHonjo (talk) 11:16, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

No. In the translation I read Itachi said "Tobi". This was right before he showed his memory to Sasuke. --Rubião (talk) 20:21, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

That's a wrong translation. They met for the first time in that scene, there is no way in the hell he could know his "name" at that point--Elveonora (talk) 23:36, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

The only mention of the name "Tobi" that I saw was when Itachi said "Tobi and Danzō were right". And no that doesn't have to mean that he believes Tobi isn't Madara. It could have just become force of habit but we never know. Itachi was brilliant after all.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 01:48, June 22, 2012 (UTC)

Editing Itachi's page?
When in the editing page, a notification came up that said Itachi's page was locked and I may not be able to edit it? Are only certain people allowed to edit his page or something? -EriHonjo (talk) 11:19, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Only registered users can edit the page, you should be able to edit. - White Flash - (Talk) - 11:25, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok! Thanks so much!! :) -EriHonjo (talk) 11:29, June 21, 2012 (UTC)