Board Thread:Wiki Discussions/@comment-1514283-20140911040828/@comment-1207741-20140914194635

Reliops wrote: If I understand correctly, your argument is that because none of the non-spherical variations of the TSB were called TSB means that they're not TSB but are part of the same root ability that produces the spheres? If I understand this correctly You understand correctly.

Reliops wrote: then I disagree. Madara referred to his spheres as Gudōdama mere seconds before he changed one of the balls to a staff. That would suggest to me it is still the one and the same jutsu. He refers to the sphere as a sphere. The staff he doesn't refer to as anything.

My understanding of the spheres is they're a convenient form for carrying around the material that they also happen to be made of. The spheres themselves are not the be-all, end-all. Here's a table where I compare it to Gaara's sand:

You believe the substance and the conveyance are one and the same. Maybe that will turn out to be the case. If, in the meantime, the wiki has two articles for the one thing, then there is no inaccuracy on the wiki's part. Unless you consider over-differentiation an inaccuracy.

Reliops wrote: In fact, Black Zetsu's description of Kaguya's TSB

"...plus mother has even produced a Truth-Seeker-Orb... An expansive Kekkei Mōra"

gives me reason to believe there is nothing else beyond it.

And that is the underlining issue. You would treat this like any other Kekkei Genkai that has a root ability and techniques that branch from it. I think Black Zetsu was explicit enough in his analysis of TSB to suggest it's not part of a "Truth Release" or anything like it. I took his explanation to be mean the TSB themselves are the Kekkei Mōra.

I believe your belief that they're not is contradictory to Black Zetsu's statements, and thus that coining a new term would be unprecedented, i.e. it goes against what the manga states, that's why I'm opposed to it. I don't want to debate what BZ means. It's one line, it's vague, you've provided and/or referred to a couple different translations of it, those translations are different from the one given in the kekkei mora article, and so on. I'm going to ignore it until there's more context.

Until that context is made available, I do not see an issue in treating the balls as separate from their composition.