Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36366948-20200805112208/@comment-36366948-20200808072022

Squinty97 wrote: Claiming Kitsuchi could beat Kurotsuchi single-handedly is a bold claim considering we haven't seen any real scaling between them.

I just gave you a feat where he beat a bunch of capable SHinobi with no effort and a broken sword, not Hiramekarei.

Tsunade just had healing and strength, which Sakura has and Hashirama has to an even further degree. Kakashi's only notable traits as a Kage are his mind a Shiden. Shiden itself is just Chidori without drawbacks and further shape manipulation, and Chidori itself is already pretty much what the Third Raikage uses. Naruto's entire combat set is based off of other people's jutsu, with the exception of the Rasenshuriken. Hiruzen had zero Kekkai Genkai himself and all his jutsu were pretty normal ones. Kage aren't measured by how unique their jutsu are.

Cohjuro is a swordsman who's considered exceptional even among the ranks of the Seven Mist Swordsmen.

All the Lava Release users and Swordsmen weren't Kage like Chojuro and Kurotsuchi because they weren't the strongest (or best leader) in the village.

Since it's something she's listed as, she most likely has exceptional skill with it. After all, best Genjutsu use of the Kage isn't a title that they'd toss out if she was only moderately skilled at it.

This is on topic; debating Chojuro and Kurotsuchi's abilities plays into how powerful Kinshiki is.

You've proved most of my points for me. I said a Kage needs something to differentiate them from the average shinobi. For Hiruzen, it was his brilliant mind and his summon Enma. Name anyone else from any clan who has supposedly mastered all hiden techniques? While shiden is similar to the 3rd raikage's lightning cloak, it just proves my point because that elevates Kakashi to kage level. No one other than him can use shiden without a kote, it's practically a hiden technique that only he knows.

You act like including Hashirama to the people who can use the byakugou cheapens it's value. It's a testament to Hashirama's power, not a detriment to Tsunade's and Sakura's power. Even if Hashirama was stronger and healed faster than Tsunade, she is the first Senju to inherit at least some of his powerful chakra, which puts her in the league of the 5 kage. Moreover, like I said, Byakugou manifesting in only 3 people ever is still rare as hell, way rarer than lava release.

Naruto is the first Nine-Tails jinchuriki to unlock chakra mode, and the only one who can use it currently. He has completed the rasengan and turned it into a way more powerful jutsu, and is a perfect sage; need I go on? You realise how stupid it sounds when you say Naruto isn't unique?

Also Chojuro beating a bunch of genin and a chunin who had never used their weapons before is barely a feat. And it's not like he singlehandedly destroyed them (like any kage level shinobi should), he took his time and had help to beat them.

Like I also said, if Kurotsuchi is sooo good at genjutsu, why hasn't she never even tried to use it? Other than an off-hand comment in a novelisation of a movie (which also said Gaara's taijutsu is on par with Base Naruto and Base Sasuke), it's never been mentioned anywhere else. And yes, I do think that Kitsuchi could beat Kurotsuchi, because he was able to keep the Second Form Ten-tails trapped, while the same form easily broke out of Kurotsuchi's quicklime (which was created with the help of mist shinobi and the sarutobi clan.)