Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36019309-20190114073523/@comment-35409024-20190126013426

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Annnnnd you did it again. What makes you think he'll devise a genjutsu counter measure when he has a tailed beast to snap him out of genjutsu's?...i don't see it happening. I never said I think he can. I said is there any proof he hasn't changed. And yes, I did do it again. Because you keep acting like you're the creator. Who are you to say who can and can't break Itachi's NORMAL Genjutsu without any proof? Your argument relies on a character feat that happened over 11 years prior. I didn't say Bee could break it, but I did say you have no evidence that he can't. How you feel is irrelevant in a factual debate.

You never mentioned at that time, you keep saying that the elite sharingan wielders can break it, and only that. I have the databook scan as well Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors is what it said, and there were no specifications of who can defeat it in which portion of the manga. So now the tables have turned, are you gonna defy the author's words?. ... You literally quoted me saying "at that time" 3 days ago??????? ME QUOTED BY YOU: "As War pointed out in his counter from me, those were the requirements at that time. So whether an non Uchiha can break it or not, is irrelevant too me since my argument is the statement coming from both Kishimoto Kakashi and Itachi which states an Elite Uchiha with Sharingan can break it." Which you replied with... YOU: "Ok what i was saying is the genjutsu is executed instantly...not that you fall in it instantly, which if i were to take your every word literally is exactly what you said-" Why are you lying??? As for the word concurrently. If you actually read my posts and this thread, you would know that me and War debated it already. I thought only Uchihas had the ability to break it. But War disagreed and said concurrently in this case means "at that time" which i accepted as valid. To be more precise it means at the same time which means at this particular time.

I accept your argument, how about next time you show the statement of the person who actually experiences the genjutsu. Kakashi used the word moment to describe it, by now we know what it means..based on what asuma said it's no longer than a second that's for sure, based on the novel it's 1 billionth of a second, based on sasuke's x2 experience of it we can't say for both...this is from the copyright section of the Itachi shinden novel, proof of canonicity maybe....

Why do I need to show what Kakashi said when someone above my post already did by quoting him? I know what Kakashi said, me and brand were obviously discussing it which you would know if you bothered to read before replying. You can literally see the quote I repleid too that literally says what Kakashi said and him saying moment. So... Yes a moment just means a brief period of time. Could be anywhere from a minute to an instant. The argument you are butting in, is the illusion instant? Based off the evidence you provided yourself, it is not. 1 billionth of a second is a nanosecond. A nanosecond does not happen at 0. It happens at 0.0000000001. Instant in it's adjective form happens at 0. Of course people question if that novel and various others are canon since Kishimoto only illustrated them and were written by various authors without being said to be supervised by Kishimoto. If you can prove the writer supervised them, then you can prove they're canon. I don't know much about the novels so I won't say they are or not canon. But so far i don't see anything that shows me the illusion of Tsukuyomi happens instantly.