Talk:Naruto Uzumaki's Jinchūriki Forms

Seal inversion and Speed
in the chapter where he fights raikage, his seal inverts as he forms a handsign, the panel is deliberatly showing this. It seems using a chakra changes the appearance of the seal on his stomach. We should add this to the description of his nine tails chakra mode. We should also note his speed.
 * I don't know what you're talking about because the seal looks the way it always has since it's been drawn. And I'm almost sure that his speed in this form has also already been noted.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 16:05, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * The color's inverted in the bottom right panel (white swirl on black circle instead of black swirl on white circle). ~SnapperTo 16:34, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * oh~ I was still seeing black on white but it has been inverted. So I guess that's worth a trivia mention at least then.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 16:39, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Damage received
When Naruto fought the Raikage in his Lightning Release Armor with the nine-tails chakra mode,he received one of A's punches without any damage,but when he attacked Hoshigaki Kisame and accidentally stuck his feet on the wall/ground,he almost "broke" his foot.Is there a reason for this difference of damage or resistance ?
 * Well with the Raikage he didn't run into a wall, just defended against a punch. It isn't really resistance to anything.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 20:27, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Well,its confusing.I thought Naruto would become something like "invulnerable" with the the nine-tails chakra mode,exactly like when he was in the kyuubi form and even kusanagi could not pierce through him.

Question.
"Naruto's strength is significantly increased to the point where he can lift the Eight-Tails' fully formed Tailed Beast Ball"

I thought Bee fired his Beast Ball and Naruto just pushed it in and through the barrier? SusanooUnleashed (talk) 09:22, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

After it went through the first nine layers of the barrier, Naruto went there and pushed it through the rest. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:15, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

I have a question too.How can Naruto use wind release and normal rasengans in his nine tailes chakra mode if he is using the nine-tails chakra? 68.32.66.177 (talk) 19:31, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Talk:Nine-Tailed Demon Fox--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 19:34, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

But what about regular rasengans? Does he transform the tailed beast chakra into regular mental and physical energies instead of the black and white? 68.32.66.177 (talk) 19:41, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

If it's chakra, it is mental and physical energy. Being those doesn't mean it can have the properties Killer B said they have. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:26, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

Still not following....68.32.66.177 (talk) 19:55, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Chakra is simply chakra, even that of the tailed beasts to do anything to it it has to be transformed such as to create a nature release (dependent on the person using it) or even the tailed beast ball.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 20:02, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

Proposition to replace Six Tails picture.
Can I please propose something? Can the current Six Tailed Naruto pic be replaced with an image from the new episode? Meaning episode 220. At one point the Six Tailed Naruto appears much better animated in Shippuden ep 220. I still feel that episode 167 was poorly animated and doesn't do 6 tailed Naruto justice. Sparxs77 (talk) 21:53, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * And that does absolutely no good if there is no image to compare the two...--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 22:59, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but I don't think that the image showed the full body of the six-tailed form. Diamonddeath (talk) 23:35, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, this is the image. It doesn't show the full body, but it is a good picture that might be able to be used somewhere. Diamonddeath (talk) 23:44, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hm. I'm leaning towards the current one. Mainly because it shows more of the forms bones, and by more I mean you can clearly see that it forms a spinal cord and what not. Others! Chime in your opinions and such noise.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 00:16, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was going to add this but the tails aren't very visible are they? So I say, however regrettably (because he looks starved) that we keep the current one.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 02:52, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I also agree that the original one is fine. I just uploaded this to help out by showing it, since it was mentioned. Diamonddeath (talk) 07:18, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I hear all your opinions and I respect it. Thanks to Diamonddeath for uploading the pic so we can see. I would just like to voice one last thing. When I first watched episode 220 and this particular scene appeared, my first thought was: THIS image looks more like the original manga image we had. It showed Naruto from the front, emphasizing the huge fox skull on his forehead (in the manga that was also the first noticeable thing). Also the entire frame is filled with his body, not like the current one where he is far and barely covers half the frame. And this, I already voiced above, is that the animation was just so much better in episode 220 than 167. But I also see your opinions as well and I do respect that. So if the current one stays, it stays. Sparxs77 (talk) 08:10, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the current should stay. --Ilnarutoanime 15:33, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

It is a good picture, though. Is there anywhere on this site that it could go? Diamonddeath (talk) 20:27, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Quality wise, it's a good image, but I don't like it because you can barely see the tails. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:40, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Transformation Jutsu?
Wasn't sure if to put this in the Tailed Beast Ball section or not, but oh well. Would it be possible for Naruto just to use the Transformation Jutsu in Chakra Mode to change into the Nine-Tails? It would be like the combination transformation when he and Gamabunta battled Gaara (Anime). Would he be able to use the Tailed Beast Ball then? Questionaredude (talk) 17:25, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * But that still wouldn't be the beast, just a transformation which means no power = to the beast and just one more thing Naruto'd have to concentrate on while fighting.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 17:34, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Nine Tails Chakra Mode gives Protection?
Where does it state that the shroud gave a lot of protection? And where was it demonstrated?
 * Punch from A, chapter 544 or 545. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:22, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * If the kusanagi could not pierce the berserker red chakra thingy, then how does is this yang chakra thing not able to hold up against A's punch??? so that i get a better idea, how much damage does an ordinary human get from one of A's lightning punches???
 * Naruto said he'd be screwed if he took the punch directly. The fact he defended himself while in the chakra mode suggests that the punch carries quite a punch (pun not intended). We've never really seen what happens to someone when they get a full-speed, full-power punch from A, just rocks and walls. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:38, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Headbutting Madara
I'm not sure where to add this but can someone add that Naruto was able to successfully headbutt Tobi even though Tobi said that he should have gone through him? Joshbl56 05:48, November 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't understand Naruto being able to do that due to being in that state, I saw it as him reacting faster than Tobi and hitting him before Tobi could become intangible. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:41, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Note
Shouldn't it be noted that Naruto in his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode was cut/hurt by Utakata's technique and that he was overpowered by Han's strength. --119.154.67.93 (talk) 14:38, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Not really, his Rikudou Cloak has weaker defense/durability than Sage Mode. But it has other benefits in form of additional chakra arms, speed boost and it lasts longer than Sage Mode ... also he does not have to gather the natural energy. --Elveonora (talk) 14:47, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I realise this is about a month old. Elevenora, Sage Mode does not have a greater defence than the Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, as it gives no added protection (i.e the "cloak"). Skitts (talk) 01:58, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

version 2
So it looks like version 2 is normal stuff, should not his 4 and 6 tails form be changed to version 2 forms ? --Elveonora (talk) 15:03, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

i think itn't a version 2 because bee demostrate the same number of tails with version one and version 2 while naruto only version 2 because he can't control the kyubi. --Nitram86 (talk) 15:39, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

its pretty much the same. the only difference being Naruto himself cant use it yet, it was Kyubi in control of Naruto.

--Elveonora (talk) 16:02, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

It was pretty much the same and I have reworked the article accordingly. It is naturally longer than other articles but eh, he is the main character.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 17:58, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Should also Sora's and Kinkaku's pages be changed as well? Since they both are a Pseudo-Jinchūriki, I don't know if they should be changed or not but it is worth to ask. Goten_ssj3 (talk) 20:05, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think they should. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:11, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Because of the fact that the groups are called Version 1 and Version 2, you need to now fix every other link that still links to the old layout (eg Eight Tailed Form). --speysider (talk) 21:40, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's a bit easier said than done. Because the page title is still the same, the whatlinkshere feature still show them all pointing at the correct page, it's the annotation of the section it's supposed to jump to that changed. The only way I can think of changing all those very fast is using a bot. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:51, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

Revealed Name
Naruto's Chakra mode was called "Nine-Tails Chakra Mode". Would it now be called "Kurama Chakra Mode", after the revelation it actually has a name in the manga? Nami-Chan! Talk to me... 01:46, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. It was called Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. Unless upcoming chapters call it Kurama Chakra Mode or something equivalent, there's no reason to change its name. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:51, December 27, 2011 (UTC)

Tailed Beast Mode
How about we create a seperate page called "Tailed Beast Mode"(chapter 519 pages 6; 9-10), and like the Sage Mode page, it contains the list all of the jinchuriki's full transformations (rather than calling it "full Shukaku form", "full Nine-Tails form", etc.) and contains the sub category of "Tailed Beast Chakra Mode" that Naruto has? KazeKitsune (talk) 15:15, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Because every tailed beasts has different transformations? --speysider (talk) 16:06, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well every tailed beast does have a different powerup (Son Goku has lava and Shukaku has sand), but transforming into one is the same thing. KazeKitsune (talk) 17:35, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't create it. Not yet. I would wait for a databook entry calling it a separate thing before splitting it off. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:12, December 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know when does the fourth databook come out? I know it will be out in 2012, but what month and day? KazeKitsune (talk) 18:18, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

No one knows. It really should be out quite soon considering all of the new information, techniques, characters and plot that have come and gone since the last databook. Skitts (talk) 21:23, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

In both the english and japanese trailer of the Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm Generations at 3:18 and 3:23 respectively, it is actually called Tailed Beast Chakra Mode. So this kinda reinforces my statement. KazeKitsune (talk) 15:03, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you look up any page at all about Naruto video games, you'll see that all awakenings are called "something mode". The manga already gave us Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, we're using it. If that is given its own entry in the next databook (whenever that comes out), we'll give it its own article. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:15, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Can we create the Tailed Beast Mode page now? KazeKitsune (talk) 00:49, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

One-Tail image
I know there is no problem with the current image of him showing his one-tailed form, but will image do a slight better job there? akz!  14:11, January 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * While admitingly there is nothing wrong with that image, the current one is much more iconic. When most people think One-Tailed Naruto, they think One-Tailed Naruto holding a Rasengan.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 14:34, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

Form Names
Why is naruto's attempt at the Full Nine-Tails form classed as 'Full Nine-Tails Form'? I suggest giving it a different name, its hardly the Full form I would say a 'Miniature Nine-Tails Form'. The manga says Naruto can't enter the form, so this form should not be considered to be it. Second thing I noticed was the Eight-Tails form is classed as a Partial Transformation o.o It advanced from the 6 Tails form, so why not class at as Version 2 or something else at least? Skarrj (talk) 13:31, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Because he was attempting a full transformation not a miniature one.
 * The form he assumes is part of the Eight-Tails, he's not using a chakra cloak so it isn't a version.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 13:36, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Different Forms
How come I seem to be the only one who gets this? In the new manga, Naruto gains a 2 new forms. He gets an advanced Tailed Beast Chakra Mode, and a full Nine Tails Mode composed of chakra instead of a normal solid form, this is because he is not using a true full form according to Kurama. The Tailed Beast Chakra Mode shouldnt be classed as the same thing as the Full Nine Tails Form, all I'm saying. Maby add the new Chakra Shroud under the Chakra form like we do with all the Version 2 and Version 1 forms? Skarrj (talk) 11:53, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Also, noticed who ever edited it stated Kakashi and Guy were standing on it, please check again? It says shows them inside the cloak. Skarrj (talk) 11:56, January 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah so they were inside. Strange so obvious yet I missed it. Regardless, he only gained 1 form, the advance cloak and the ability to grow the Nine-Tails out of the shroud. Also it isn't listened as a full transformation anyway so...?--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 11:59, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Ok friend. First of all calm down. The only people that have edited that article today are you, an anon and one of our Admins just recently, the day's still young. Secondly, it's not a new form (that full Nine-Tails mode that looks a bit like a chakra shroud. Kurama already stated that being their first transformation, the form is still in it's early stages, you don't know if this isn't a form on the way to a more corporeal form like B's.--Cerez365™ 12:02, January 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * /shrug I just assumed it was the Nine-Tails Chakra Mode+Awesome Chakra Coat Like Daddy+Giant Fox growing out of Awesome Chakra Coat Like Daddy=meow. Not sure about the last part tho...--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 12:05, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Just an FYI, the transformation is simply called, it's even used as the title of the chapter. Note: Kurama doesn't say it's their "first transformation" or that it's "still in its early stages", but rather that because it's their first time transforming, they can only maintain it for five minutes.

It seems to be functionally the same as the other Tailed Beast Modes, apart from the appearance and strength (perhaps simply due to the Nine-Tails' power). Kurama's formed from transparent chakra and visibly Naruto floats inside his head. Naruto's chakra cloak (now resembling a literal cloak) trails strands of chakra that blend into the interior of Kurama's form, connecting them. The patterning on the chakra cloak is also darker and more dramatic, and is mirrored on Kurama's body.

However, it does indeed appear that Naruto can access his new ("complete") Tailed Beast Chakra Mode without Kurama manifesting, as Naruto uses it briefly to deflect the six Bijū Bombs before Kurama's form emerges to grapple with the Two-Tails.

I'd guess that the unusual appearances of Naruto's "Tailed Beast Chakra Mode" and "Tailed Beast Mode", compared to other Jinchūriki, is probably a unique feature of the Double Tetragram Seal, as the patterning that spreads over his body appears to be linked to the seal and its key. However, for the time being, that's just speculation. Sorry for the TL;DR. FF-Suzaku (talk) 14:30, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

biju mode
it seem like the bijuu mode is an power op of the nine tail chakra mode the seal take the form of kurama but naruto don't become bijuu the  like the other jinkuichi we must add somethink about?' --Nitram86 (talk) 23:31, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

"As the chakra used is free of negative emotions, it no longer burns those who touch it" There is no confirmation that, that is the reason why the chakra is not burning flesh. Hachibi's transformations still burn bee's flesh of. Whom has been confirmed to have been cleansed of hate by bee.

It is far more likely. That the nature of the chakra and it's modes. Is down to the nature of the "new seal" Naruto applied to himself in chapter 499. And it uses the Chakra of the Kyuubi through that Seal in a specific, almost filtered way. (79.66.92.216 (talk) 14:45, January 26, 2012 (UTC))

Partial Transformation/Version 2
What kind of transformation happens in episode 246 where Naruto transforms into half Version 1 and half Version 2? Is it a partial transformation? Sparxs77 (talk) 10:04, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a nothing. He just stopped half way between going Version 2 from Version 1.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 10:11, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I hear you. It's just odd, because usually when Naruto went Version 2, a dark chakra ball always surrounded him and then he would explode into his Version 2 form. This is a first where he is "partially" in Version 2 (also note the first time where he has only Three Tails) and the transformation is gradually.Sparxs77 (talk) 11:06, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

New Transformations
Where did the name tailed beast mode come from? Also, is naruto in the nine tails chakra thing or standing on it?--Asian711 (talk) 04:58, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

The name came from the chapter title. Naruto is inside of it.--Deva 27 05:04, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

i'm wondering why Naruto's clones were all using the previous nine tail's chakra mode even though he has aquired the new one, personally it leads me to think it's either an error for the Trivia section, or that his changed appearance is part of the Tailed beast mode. how do i sign posts since i'm only a contributer and have no log in name here? 15:58, february 01, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just click sign in the top right corner of the page, you'll be taken to a page where you either sign in or you register. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:20, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Kyuubi Chakra Mode Image
The Image should be changed to show the Anime version. Along with any other page that shows the Manga version version. There have been other manga arts showing other forms yet you have not kept them. So they should all follow the same trend with the Anime, in regards to the images. As well as the other pages. That manga art picture of Kyuubi Chakra Mode is used on. (Raiken1992 (talk) 00:25, February 3, 2012 (UTC))
 * on this wiki Colored Manga images are preferred over anime images. See the Image Policy.  00:35, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yet there has been coloured images by Kishi for the Manga of other forms. Which have not been used.(Raiken1992 (talk) 00:37, February 3, 2012 (UTC))

Images aren't changed from the manga version to the anime one simply because of the latter existing. Skitts (talk) 00:40, February 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * We have the technology to use both if one so desires. Figure out how it works and experiment.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 00:44, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

That anime image... is hideous pain and simple in my opinion at least. I see absolutely no reason to change a perfectly good, coloured image from the manga to...that thing. Trust me if some of use had our way more of the manga's work would be used way more often.--Cerez365™ 00:46, February 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't see a problem (then again, I hardly ever do). Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode creates a cloak of flickering flame. Anime made it flickering flame. /shrug. Regardless is regardless, we have the technology, experiment.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 00:55, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Bwa, Million dollar Man reference methinks. :P Skitts (talk) 00:59, February 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * No more me just trying to push people into solving their own problems when able to. It's possible to have both, made sure of this months ago.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 01:02, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

The anime doesn't show the key going down the right of his arm. Although it did turn out better than I thought it would. --92.232.44.88 (talk) 04:41, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Nine-Tails Chakra Mode
It's appeared in the anime in case you guys want to change the picture.
 * --Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 02:28, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

I don't like the anime pic for it ... looks like something from Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm game ... --Elveonora (talk) 16:26, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Rather, the game usually takes the look from the game, we simply saw it in the game first. I see nothing wrong with showing both. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:20, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually i think the anime image as well the game image is done rather well. B did notice that Naruto illuminated the night in this form and considering the limitation of simple drawing showing such chakra cloak as actual light I don't think we should use both, mainly because i still think that showing dual images like that looks horrible in the article. --Gojita (talk) 10:27, February 7, 2012 (UTC)Gojita
 * I agree, the thing is horrible for the article, but this way we can avoid the unnecessary image war that plagues this wiki whenever the anime does anything, and unless we change the image policy this is the best we can do.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 15:27, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

I just think, considering all the other forms are portrayed in the Anime art style. We may as well continue the trend. It just looks weird to see all the forms like that. And then Kyuubi Chakra Mode like it is. I coherent style would be nice. (Raiken1992 (talk) 01:11, February 8, 2012 (UTC))


 * I think it's better to put the anime image of this mode from the episode #250, it's more obvious than it appeared in the first anime debut. Furthermore, it somehow looks like Generation's design, right? Shakhmoot (talk) 16:49, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Tailed Beast Mode Skills
We all saw that this mode gives Naruto an incomparable speed,much faster than A's one and is compared to Minato's one. But does this mode give Naruto an immeasurable strenght and protection like when he was in kyuubi's six tailed form or four tailed form ? You know,even the Kusanagi wasn't able to pierce through him in four tailed form,and now he has all the kyuubi's power under his sleeves
 * Not really, as you'll see next week, or if you read the manga chapters that the next episode should cover. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:15, February 9, 2012 (UTC)

Yes I read, I saw he almost breaking his feet..but he was able to deflect 5 tailed beasts ball at once,isn't that raw strenght?
 * We don't see how he deflected those. For all we know, he used the shroud to do that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:45, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

I have a question: Naruto's incredible new speed comes from the Full Tailed Beast Mode or the Enhanced Nine-Tails mode? Because I read in other pages that the speed comes from the Full Tailed Beast Mode and in other that comes from the Enhanced Nine-Tails Mode
 * From what I've seen, he has incredible speed in his new Nine-Tails Chakra Mode cloak. He's never demonstrated any "speed" while using the Tailed Beast Mode (which is the Naruto/Kurama hybrid)--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 09:41, February 11, 2012 (UTC)

The Enhanced Nine-Tails Chakra mode gives him the speed..the Full Bijuu Mode is an extention of this mode,where the "chakra cloak" that naruto's use turns into a shroud around him recreating kyuubi's appearance

full powers
in tailedf beast mode, could we not say full extent, since naruto has yet to show a controlled version 2 form?--76.92.243.71 (talk) 23:36, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe,we can't tell exactly..because we don't know if the kyuubi that naruto created in his first bijuu mode is at it's full extent,i mean,if it's already with all it's chakra or if there is more when this mode becomes complete and the real kyuubi appears.

Separate Page for Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.
This mode has so many abilities, new jutsu, benefits and flaws that its quite bundled up. It would be much better if a brief outline was on this page with a link to a new page where its laid out more clearly, similar to that of sage mode. It has huge chunks on what it can do but no real designated place for anything to belong, just achievements thrown here and there. This mode has too much content and significance to be bundled onto this page that already has a lot on it.

--Kotoamatsukami (talk) 15:57, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Questions
I have two questions:
 * -When Naruto was only 13 years old, by passing in his one-tailed form, he was able to keep the control of his body (against sasuke), unlike now, while he is 16 years old, he can not control itself (against deidara). Is this normal?
 * -In the part "Initial Jinchūriki Form", it is said: By simply tapping into Kurama's chakra, Naruto's body begins its initial transformation. However, we saw, as in the battle between Naruto and Gaara, or between Naruto and Pain, that Naruto by tapping into Kurama's chakra does not begins its initial transformation. Is there someone able to explain this? --41.248.176.18 (talk) 01:08, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) Those were very different circumstances with very different psychological dispositions. Naruto was angry at 16, not out of control.
 * 2) Any form of interaction or transformation in Naruto (even if it's only reflected in his eyes, is a jinchuriki transformation.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 01:23, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Against Nagato, he went into Initial Kyuubi Mode. Nothing to discuss here.

And in the anime he lost control. And attacked Kakashi, but that was retarded filler. In fact, he just started to Transform and then Kakashi stopped the Chakra.

Against Orochimaru he had very good reason's to be furious, and the Kyuubi's Chakra amplified that. He was in control though. In 3 Tailed State, for the most part in control.

However. Against Neji and Gaara Naruto showed the ability to tap into the Kyuubi's Chakra. Without going into the very first stages of transformation at all. It had a different aura than that of the Initial Kyuubi Mode. It was that of a chakra flow around him, similar to Gai's Eight Gates technique. And was simply powered up by his Chakra. Similar I imagine to what happened when Naruto stopped Madara's Mokuton. (Cryorex (talk) 20:51, May 16, 2012 (UTC))

Partial Transformation
Because most times when I tell people the take it to the talk page, they choose to fight me in a revert war.

Anywho, no Version 2 is not a partial transformation. Version 2 is subjugating the tailed beasts chakra into human form. Creation of the chakra bones, involuntary (in case of Naruto) or voluntary (in case of B) does not change change what Version 2 is.

Partial Transformations on the other hand are just that, partial transformations into the tailed beasts. The jinchuriki growing a tail of their demons, B turning his entire arm into the Eight-Tails' arm, Naruto's body turning into a furless, eight-tailed fox, are all partial transformations. When the users physical form is altered, that's a partial transformation. (The only one where this gets sketchy is Gaara, but that's because he's the only one who didn't create a chakra shield)--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 14:02, April 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * LOL, should have refreshed the page. I thought about arguing with you. I could argue why the Eight-Tails is a version 2 transformation, how it agrees with Gaara's transformation, and how the evolution from 4 tails to 6 tails to 8 tails makes sense...but why bother. It's just another RetCon. Sigh, Kishimoto should learn to add information to his story that doesn't contradict what has already been shown.
 * You do realise that what you explained requires:
 * either a version 3 (where Version 1 has one, two or three tails; Version 2 has four, five or six tails; and Version 3 has seven, eight or nine tails)?
 * or an alternative Eight-Tails, meaning a version 2 Eight-Tails?
 * Anyway, I've always thought that Killer B's explanation was an awkward one given everything we knew up to that point. Now I know it was worse than I thought. It would have been so much easier if Kishimoto had just restricted the version 1+2 stuff to jinchuriki that controlled their tailed beast.--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 14:57, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Eight-Tails Form versus Version 2 Form
Al right, I'm bringing this to the talk page. Why is Eight-Tails Form not a Version 2 transformation?--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 14:14, April 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Look one section up. I beat you to it.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 14:15, April 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Honestly it's confusing, it can be also considered partial at the same time V2. Well I mean Naruto's mode.
 * xD IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me) 14:19, April 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * It gets worse. Gaara, Naruto, and Killer B are unique enough that you cannot generalise observations from one jinchuriki to all jinchuriki. Gaara doesn't have tailed modes like Naruto. And the version 1+2 stuff from Killer B doesn't fit all that well with everything we have seen from either Gaara or Naruto. What would Naruto's equivalent be to an octopus tentacle appearing out of his back? And the Nin-Tails Chakra Mode is unique to Naruto.
 * If you want to avoid confusion, just make every jinchuriki and tailed beast unique, and tell yourself that rules from one don't apply to others. It's easier that way.--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 15:13, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Naruto's equivalent to a tentacle, like most other jinchūriki are simply arms given that Gyūki is a octupus hybrid. It seems that Gaara being the exception notations can be made for that. It's not really that hard:
 * chakra shroud with person visible within it = Version 1
 * Person takes on the appearance of the beast while in a humanoid form/ darker obscure chakra = Version 2
 * Manifesting any part(s) of the beast that looks like the beast = Partial transformation
 * Full on beast (size and all) = full transformation

Gaara's a bit different naturally because he's only got one tail. Hence his process is... shorter o.O?--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 15:26, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think Gaara is any different ... we just have seen little from him. Instead of chakra cloaks, he has sand soaked/melded with Shukaku's chakra that envelops his body. I still don't get what's the problem ...--Elveonora (talk) 15:47, April 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * See sections and .--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 16:12, April 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Now that classes are done... basically what Cerez put is my point in lovely bullet form.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 18:25, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Kyuubi Chakra Mode Image.
Is it just me. Or does anyone else believe THIS sort of image would be a lot better suited than the current one.

It looks much more detailed than the other, which looks a bit rushed. And the chakra effect on the outsides are flickering off like in the Manga, unlike the current pictures animation.(Cryorex (talk) 20:41, May 16, 2012 (UTC))
 * No. It is ugly.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 20:44, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The anime's portrayal of the form is blurry and bleh. Skitts (talk) 20:54, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Basically. THIS VS THIS.
 * The first one was there first. The second one was used because it actually resembles this the most. If it weren't for the text we'd be using the manga image in a slideshow.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 21:05, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

But if you look at the chakra flickering of the edges of the Cloak. The one I proposed looks more like the Manga than the current one. (Cryorex (talk) 21:12, May 16, 2012 (UTC))