Talk:Tailed Beast

Tenzo
I think Tenzo should be removed from the listing of those who have total control of a beast. Unlike the originator of his power, Yamato's control is far from mastery 71.178.109.65 (talk) 15:22, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

0 tails
i don't think that the 0 tails should be on the list. that was something stupid the anime makers came up with, and we all know the anime isn't canon. besides how can it be a tailed beast if it has no tails?

To add to that it is stated that the tailed beasts were a separation from the ten tails and only 9 were stated,Therefore it can be presumed that the so called zero tails is not a tailed beast and only a name the animators created to confuse viewers or to make it sound catchy.


 * I agree that the Zero-Tails shouldn't be listed, albeit not for the reasons you stated. I removed it and added a trivia point about it. --ShounenSuki (talk 04:32, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Relationship between the tailed beasts
i was remembering the fight of naruto and gaara, we have to admit that battle was awesome, but it came a question to my mind, why wen naruto and gamabunta transform together into the nine-tailed fox why didn´t the shukkaku reconiced the fox, as far as i now the tailed-beast would have been created by the same power, so they kinda are brothers and sisters only with different chakra levels, ofcurse i wouldn´t expect that they have´d a good relantionship, i think that it more similar to the relantionship that the akatsuki members have beetwen them; and if we look into the relantionships that the chinjuriki have beetwen when they encounterd like naruto with gaara and yukimaru.


 * They only transform into the nine-tailed fox in the anime. In the manga it's a regular, one-tailed fox. Don't read too much into it. ~SnapperTo 04:16, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * well, what if the Shukaku recgognizes the kyuubi's chakra, and he knows that Gamabunta transformed isn't the Kyuubi?

but still the shukaku should have been shocked to see the image of the fox, maybe he should have sence a feeling of loosing the batle at the begining .

10-Tails
Shouldn't something about the 10-Tails be added here? Hidan13 (talk) 04:15, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

I put in the Ten Tailed Beast (talk)

Shouldn't we put the ten tails as the strongest.because it says the nine tails is the strongestBleach boy (talk) 22:14, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree (User talk:NarSasGaaNej

First off what does 10tails even look like and I do think that we should find out more if possible

--- It looks like a tree made into a body figure with circles (the illusion majician kind) on its cheecks. Btw uknown photo takes looks out of porportion. Answer by Naruto king 998

Have you even seen how long since this topic was used? And if the image you're talking about is what I think it is, it's a fanart. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:02, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

"Current"
*cough* "Akatsuki has been capturing the tailed beasts and their hosts, and currently possess seven of the nine." what did we say about the use of the word current? ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Oct 9, 2009 @ 10:01 (UTC)

Uh...is it a bad word? Dartblaze (talk) 02:47, October 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * The wiki is supposed to be written independently of any specific point in the series. That phrase is written as if everyone was reading the recent manga, and requires it be edited every single time something changes in the Akatsuki status in the manga. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Oct 11, 2009 @ 02:41 (UTC)


 * So what is the concern here? Should the wiki be NOT written as if everyone was reading the recent manga? Then how should it be written? By writing about the 10-tails, we are already writing it as if everyone is reading the recent manga. Besides, what is that point about editing every time something changes in the manga? That is what has been going on always. Did anyone write about the Five Kages Meeting a year ago? Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da (talk) 15:49, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * What Dantman means is that every point in a story is considered 'current'. To someone who has just started reading the manga, the fight between Kakashi and Zabuza is current. For someone completely up-to-date, Madara telling about the Ten-Tails is current. This wiki is designed to cater to everyone.
 * This and the fact that the story changes every week means that words like current and recent have no meaning here and no place in the articles. --ShounenSuki (talk 19:03, October 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * "This wiki is designed to cater to everyone." ... Sorry, but just what does "cater" mean here? How does writing about the Fourth Ninja War cater to someone who has just read or watched Kakashi's and Zabuza's battle? Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da (talk) 13:50, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * It means that someone who just read the battle between Kakashi and Zabuza should be able to find all the information relevant to them, just like someone who just read the latest manga should be able to. For example: in the last 200 or so chapters, Garra hasn't been a jinchūriki. However, removing the jinchūriki classification from his article would remove information relevant to the manga before he lost Shukaku. Since this Wiki should be relevant to every point in the series, we keep the jinchūriki status and note that he lost the Shukaku. --ShounenSuki (talk 16:42, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

10 Tails
Shouldn't the 10 tails be the main subject of the article since it's the original tailed beast? It would be different if there were 9 bijuu plus the 10 tails, but the 9 bijuu are just pieces of the Juubi. Shouldn't you set up this page so that the juubi is the main subject and then say it's chakra was divided which leads to the info of the 9 bijuu?
 * That would put a major spoiler unnecessarily early on the page, and this is a entry article about the tailed beasts, that's what we have the Ten-Tailed Beast article for. The 9 separate tailed beasts are much more important to this article as they have much more influence over the series so far, Ten-Tails is only a recent development. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Oct 11, 2009 @ 05:04 (UTC)
 * Actually, the way Madara speaks about the Ten-Tails in the manga makes it seem as if the Ten-Tails isn't a Tailed Beast at all. It seems "Tailed Beasts" is how the nine parts of the Ten-Tails' chakra were called and not the Ten-Tails itself. --ShounenSuki (talk 14:06, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not? Following is what he said: "He (Rikudo Sage) saved the world from a monster .... Gaara, a part of that monster was sealed within you .... It is a fusion of all the tailed beasts, and possesses the strongest chakras ever .... the ten tailed beast, the jubi." Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da (talk) 15:56, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Just for form, here's exactly what he said:
 * Any way, the fact that Madara specifically says the Ten-Tails was an aggregation of "all the Tailed Beasts" means the Ten-Tails isn't considered a Tailed Beast itself. In other words, the Tailed Beasts is a named given to the nine parts that the Sage of the Six Paths split the Ten-Tails' chakra in. --ShounenSuki (talk 19:16, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Any way, the fact that Madara specifically says the Ten-Tails was an aggregation of "all the Tailed Beasts" means the Ten-Tails isn't considered a Tailed Beast itself. In other words, the Tailed Beasts is a named given to the nine parts that the Sage of the Six Paths split the Ten-Tails' chakra in. --ShounenSuki (talk 19:16, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Any way, the fact that Madara specifically says the Ten-Tails was an aggregation of "all the Tailed Beasts" means the Ten-Tails isn't considered a Tailed Beast itself. In other words, the Tailed Beasts is a named given to the nine parts that the Sage of the Six Paths split the Ten-Tails' chakra in. --ShounenSuki (talk 19:16, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Any way, the fact that Madara specifically says the Ten-Tails was an aggregation of "all the Tailed Beasts" means the Ten-Tails isn't considered a Tailed Beast itself. In other words, the Tailed Beasts is a named given to the nine parts that the Sage of the Six Paths split the Ten-Tails' chakra in. --ShounenSuki (talk 19:16, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Madara clearly calls the Ten-Tails as a monster. Now, don't tell me a monster and a beast are two different things. Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da (talk) 13:52, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * First of all, yes there is a difference, but that aside: Madara calls the Ten-Tails a, not a . By saying that the Ten-Tails is an aggregation of all the Tailed Beasts, Madara makes a clear distinction between the two. Tailed Beasts is a name given to the nine portions of the Ten-Tails' chakra. The Ten-Tails itself is not a Tailed Beast. --ShounenSuki (talk 16:37, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

ShounenSuki, that's inconsistent on just two points : Its name and the fact that it has 10 tails. Other than that, your argument makes almost perfect sense. BlazeUchiha 16:41, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Haven't other characters called some other Tailed Beasts like that, "bakemono"? I think Hidan called the Two Tails like that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:09, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * @ BlazeUchiha: Tails and a "tail" name do not a Bijū make. As it is now, it seems "Bijū" is how the portions of the Ten-Tails' chakra were called. This means the Ten-Tails is, by definition, not a Bijū, as it is not a part of its own chakra.
 * @ Omnibender: Could be, but that wasn't really my point. My point was, partly by using the term bakemono instead of Bijū, created a clear distinction between the Ten-Tails and the Bijū. The way he spoke about the Ten-Tails, he implied taht it isn't considered a Bijū itself. It is rather logical, if you think about it. No-one knows about the Ten-Tails, so it is impossible for them to include it with the Bijū. --ShounenSuki (talk 13:29, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Zodiac
I was just looking at the names of the beasts and, noticed. Not sure about the others though; Shukaku, Giant Turtle, Slug, Horned Beetle, Fox. Maybe mention in article, about half of them being part of zodiac is a not likely a coincidence. Simant (talk) 18:18, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Monster Cat -> Chinese Zodiac: Rabbit -> Cat in Vietnam
 * Monkey -> Chinese Zodiac: Monkey
 * Dolphin Horse -> Chinese Zodiac: Horse
 * Giant Ox -> Chinese Zodiac: Ox
 * I'm sorry, but this could easily be a coincidence. In fact, it would be ridiculous if it were anything other than that. Three animals match, with a fourth only matching if one considers a completely different culture. There is nothing else at all that connects the Tailed Beasts to the animals of the zodiac. --ShounenSuki (talk 19:18, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Power
shouldn't all the bijuu equal power and strength, other than 10 tails, since the 9 bijuu are but equal portions of chakra? --NarSasGaaNej (talk) 06:11, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

They had never said that the Tailed-Beasts are equal portions of the Ten-Tails, but merely that they are portions of the monster. We don’t know how much each got other than the Nine-Tails, which must have gotten the largest portion of chakra and strength.

But while we are speaking of the tailed-beast ranking system, Suki? Can I ask of you of a direct translation of what Kisame said during the time Killer Bee was charging at him in version 2? From what he said, there could be some merit to the whole tailed-ranking system, but I could have just merely read a bad translated manga release.

“Well, it is only one tail short of 9 after all...it must take an amazing amount of control to keep those chakras in check...”

That is what he said on the release I read, and from he said there, it makes me think there could be something to each tail means more stronger, but I could be wrong at this point. I also point out that the Samehada can only eat 6 tails of the Eight-Tails’ chakra at a time, point more towards the rank system, but that could also be at the 6 tails thing could be only from the Eight-Tails’ strength and not the beasts in general. --Juubi no Ryuu (talk) 22:37, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Yokai
I've noticed in a lot fanfiction the kyuubi's chakra (and by extention the bijuu's) is refered to as yokai or youkai. Should we put that because stuff from fans minds like Kirabi's name really being Kira Hachi is on Kirabi's trivia section so can I put this in the trivia sec or not.--97.115.229.107 (talk) 06:45, November 15, 2009 (UTC)Nintendo-Fan
 * is the Japanese term given to various kinds of supernatural creatures. Kitsune, tanuki, oni, kappan, and tengu are just a few examples of yōkai. The Nine-Tailed Fox is also a very famous example of a yōkai. --ShounenSuki (talk 15:43, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, shouldn't the Kyuubi's(or any Tailed Beast's) chakra be considered Youki, and not Youkai as the latter refers to the beast, itself, and not it's energy/power? --Alexdhamp (talk) 06:12, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Family
Now that we know that the tailed beasts all originated from a single beast, that makes them sorta family. Should we list them as such? Simant (talk) 19:34, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Family's kinda stretching it just a bit. But...maybe perhaps.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:28, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Considering the facts that A) They are not even the same species in any way, shape, or form, B) They are living masses of pure energy that could possibly change their phyisical forms, and C) They have shown no interaction in each other's presence (Such as Shukaku not giving a care when Naruto uses the fox's chakra to summon Gamabunta) I'd say no. Interesting concept though lol. --Juubi no Ryuu (talk) 22:08, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * A) it doesn't matter that they aren't the same species, as long as they descend from a common ancestor, which in this case is a single "generation" away. B) What does it matter that they could change their forms? C) Who cares if they are unfriendly with each other, that does not affect their status of being related. (Sibling rivalry...) . Simant (talk) 00:08, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * A) They come from this "common ancestor"s energy, not nessesarly DNA, when one thinks of family, they either think of adoption or blood relation, neither of which I am not sure the Biju have. B) If they can change form, then it is possible they can change their DNA, though I am also not sure on that account. C) I didn't mean just unfriendly, Shukaku gives no attention to the chakra of the most powerful of the Tailed-beasts, either it thinks it can defeat the fox, or it is just unfamiliar with the fox and it's chakra, which would make sense seeing as the Sage "sent the nine chakras across the lands" or something like that. Anyway, we shouldn't put any family relation on these guys unless it is said in cannon, they are beings of pure energy, hard to define that into family terms. --Juubi no Ryuu (talk) 19:20, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Eight Nine ????/
On 142 shippuden it mentions that they only have 6 out of 9 intead of seven.and im not being guided by subs it actually says there are 3 missingthat should be listed on trivia.

Ismell new anime arc

there is a new filler series about the six tailed slug, check it out search for utakata or rokubiShauli (talk) 22:09, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Danzō?
Should we list Danzō as being able to control a tailed beast in the trivia section, because Madara said that he could control the Nine-Tailed Fox beacause he has both Uchiha and Hashirama's abilities? --98.211.195.17 (talk) 20:21, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Could is different between can control the Nine-Tails. Until we have point blank proof that this gamble allows him to be able to control the Nine-Tails, we have to assume at the moment he can't.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 20:25, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it relevant at all considering Danzō is dead and therefore unable to control anything? MocosII (talk) 20:25, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * He wasn't dead when the previous post was made... Dates on comments are good to look at. - S im A nt 20:32, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Locked
Could this be unlocked please? I want to make an edit on how that the Fox's [comment] which indicates that the tailed beasts have indeed had contact with each other. All we have now is just a comment between the Ox and Bee and I would like to cut that down and improve it with our new information. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 01:36, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * You should be able to edit, only unregistered users can't edit it.--Deva 27 (talk) 01:38, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...Thanks. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 01:42, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Affiliations
It was brought to attention that it's the jinchūriki that has the affiliation to a village, not the tailed beast. However, some beasts have their jinchūriki's affiliations listed as their own. Unless there's a obscure reference I'm not familiar with, all tailed beasts should either have the affiliation of their hosts, or no affiliation at all. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:32, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Perhaps only the Tailed Beasts of those who have control over them, such as Killer Bee and Yagura. We don't know how much control the others had over their tailed beasts, so they (the tailed beasts) could have acted the same as the Nine-Tailed Fox.--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round ~ 23:34, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Three-Tails isn't listed with a Kirigakure affiliation, Two-Tails is listed with Kumogakure, Shukaku is listed with Sunagakure. Still doesn't make sense. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:04, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Three-Tails should be former, Yugito had some control over Two-Tails, and Shukaku should be former because of his multiple Suna hosts and his capture.--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round ~ 00:21, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * If some control accounts for the affiliation, might as well mark all the affiliations, since all the tailed beasts were trapped inside the hosts, and not being taken over by a beast is a sign of control. Either all should have the affiliation or none. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:08, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * The only tailed beast who was actually given a canon affiliation was Shukaku. The Nine-Tails was given no affiliation and the other tailed beasts never had any databook profiles. Perhaps it is best if we remove all of their affiliations, until we have confirmation. --ShounenSuki (talk 10:48, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * In the second fanbook, when the last tailed beasts were revealed, did they have affiliations themselves or was it just the jinchūriki? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:37, October 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * It wasn't completely clear, but the way the information was given implied that the affiliation belonged to the jinchūriki, rather than the tailed beast. —ShounenSuki (talk 20:22, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

Can they die when outside of their hosts?
The thing I was wondering was if the tailed beasts can die. I know that they can die if they are inside of their hosts, such as Kabuto tried with Naruto and Kurotsuchi advized for Bee and Naruto, but what about when they are not tied to a human? They are pure chakra, and chakra is energy, and the laws of physics state that energy is never destroyed, only converted. Granted you can permantently defeat them by yanking their sould out (like with the Fox in Minato Namikaze had/could(?) go all the way. But can they die, for good?
 * I ask since this would have solved a lot of problems if the beasts could be killed. Moreover, it will determine how difficult the Fourth Great Shinobi World War will be if they are fighting monsters they can beat to exhaustion, but cannot kill. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 20:39, June 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * In standard Japanese folklore, no. Gods and Demons typically are immortal, which is why they usually have to be sealed in some sacred shrine, tree or something when they go wild. So if Naruto follows this standard, then the tailed beasts are indeed immortal, unless you kill their host then they die right along with them. Now if this isn't the case, it is extreamly possible that it is just impossible for a normal person to kill one. They are creatures of pure, foul, and powerful chakra giving solid form. If they are killable, it would probably be really really hard, and would most likely result in a country being leveled.
 * All of this is speculative garble though.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 20:53, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Still useful though. Moreover, it indicates that sealing jutsu might be essential to this conflict.
 * Will link this with the Fourth Great Shinobi World War. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 20:56, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * How is speculation useful here? (rhetorical) - S im A nt 20:59, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think there's a policy about this. Something about forms and social security numbers. Or was it forums? ~SnapperTo 21:02, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) How do you start one? 2) The fact that there does not appear to be a way to kill one if unleashed seems to be moving more towards fact than speculation 3)I think it is the numbers part. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 21:59, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a bit off-topic, but gods and demons are not actually immortal in Japanese mythology. They are just extremely difficult to kill, if not impossible for humans. There are plenty of examples of gods and demons dying, like Izanami-no-Mikoto, Ukemochi-no-Kami, and Yamata-no-Orochi. --ShounenSuki (talk 22:47, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * By difficulat to kill do you mean taking an insane amount of damage before going down, or a specific ritual or object needed (my Japanese mythology is severvely lacking)? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 22:49, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I mean it generally seems to require another god. Izanami-no-Mikoto was the first living creature to ever have died after being fatally burned by giving birth to Kagutsuchi-no-Kami, who was then promptly killed by Izanagi-no-Mikoto with the Totsuka-no-Tsurugi. Ukemochi-no-Kami was killed by Tsukuyomi-no-Mikoto with a sword after disgusting her by vomiting up and defecating a meal for Amaterasu-Ōmikami, leading to the separation of night and day. Yamata-no-Orochi was killed by Susanoo-no-Mikoto with the Totsuka-no-Tsurugi, leading to his marriage with Kushinada-hime and the discovery of the Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi. --ShounenSuki (talk 23:05, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * That would mean then that only way to defeat a tailed beast would be with another? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 23:14, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

It means there's no such thing as true immortality. Especially not in a world where mere mortal humans have all but ascended to godhood and actual gods have no problems doing the dirty work for humans. --ShounenSuki (talk 23:58, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Come again? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 00:58, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Basically, a tailed beast can be killed, just like any other creature. They may be creatures of pure energy, however they still have physical, living breathing forms. Just their sheer power makes it near impossible for the average shinobi to kill them, perhaps a shinobi like A or Kisame could possibly due it, noting the fact they have chakra levels said to be similar to tailed-beasts. And the fact that they could be seperated from their chakra, as shown with the Jubi and Kyubi, they could easily be killed (though there is no known case), sealed away, or in the Kyubi's case, as dead as a will with no power can be inside a host. Also, it was my understanding that Japanese mythology Shinto, Kami and yokai WERE considered immortal, or at least Kami were, until the introduction of Buddhism in which they all become part of the cycle, birth, life, death, then rebirth? --Juubi no Ryuu (talk) 23:38, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

well,even if they had no host,yes,they could probaly still b "killed"...but their energy(chakra) would still remain,,,4 example,after the 9-tails rampage(yes i'm referin 2 sora),he left a part behind...

Most likely, since they are composed entirely of chakra, the only way to kill the would be to "eat" them, and even then you would need both enough of a resistance to their chakra to survive, and a way to vent it to prevent yourself from dying due to chakra overload, unless you could hold tailed beast levels of chakra

Trivia
So it’s state that Five-Tailed Dolphin Horse and the Seven-Tailed Horn Beetle where captured prior to Part II. That I’m ok with, but I think under trivia even though the time in which the tailed beasts where captured is not mentioned, it may be actually prior to the start of Part I.

Kisame in episode 10 of Shippuden, made the comment about how the extraction process may take longer due to Orichimaru not being with the Akatsuki any longer and since Orichimaru was no longer part of the group in Part I, it thus suggests that Orichimaru helped the Akatsuki with the other two tailed beasts. Therefore the Akatsuki must have cought those two tailed beast before the start of the series.

Not really, it could mean that it would take longer because the technique is meant to be used with 10 members performing it instead of 9, Orochimaru simply being the example of the tenth member, likely because he still has his ring, and we still have no idea what they actually do. Zetsu also implied once that the fewer people performing, the longer it takes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:08, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Tailed beast images
I wanted to use to replace the current one  because I cropped off the middle part that was included in the png one (I made the jpg have similar size and quality as the png, only better). But if you prefer png files, I'll upload the jpg one into a png file. Please reply. (P.S You can delete .) KazeKitsune (talk) 18:24, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Uh, should we put Naruto as a person who can control a beast. I doubt that now. Never mind.--99.70.93.27 (talk) 03:53, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Nine-Tails Control
Shouldn't Naruto be added to the list of jinchuriki that have learned to control their Tailed Beasts. In the latest chapter, Kisame said Naruto has learned to control the Nine-Tails. Isn't worth mentioning at least? Shock Dragoon 10:10am ETZ Aug-5-10
 * In all technicallity, Naruto isn't able to control the Nine-Tails itself, as much as he now has power over its chakra. Madara is able to control the Nine-Tails itself to do what he wants, the First was able to control the tailed-beasts and stop them with his Wood Techniques, Killer Bee can apparently control his tailed-beast, or at least cooperate with it with this knowedgle being unknown to people who don't know his relationship with the Eight-Tails and assume he can control it, and Yagura could be the same way, or can just control the Three-Tails itself. --Juubi no Ryuu (talk) 01:48, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Full Names
I recently realised we really have no basis in the series for the "full names" (e.g. Two-Tailed Monster Cat, Seven-Tailed Horned Beetle) of any of the tailed beasts, other than the Nine-Tails and Shukaku. Perhaps it would be better if we remove them and start using their short names, like Two-Tails and Seven-Tails. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:15, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Agree. If they're referred to as something in the series or supplemental then that should be mentioned in the article, but extracting a name from "The Three-Tails looks like a giant turtle" is a poor practice. ~SnapperTo 18:20, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm of the mind to keep what we have now. If only because I'm nitpicky and I don't like going Shukaku (which I assume would be used) to Two-Tails up to Nine-Tailed Demon Fox. I could maybe get behind just using "X-Tails" for everything. Maybe. But I prefer X-Tails Y.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 18:31, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Seeing how much time we spend choosing names when the artbook came out and revealed the remaining beasts, i find it a little bit redundant to remove the extra name! --Gojita (talk) 18:52, September 9, 2010 (UTC)Gojita


 * Actually, in light of consistency, I would argue to use #-Tails for all tailed beasts, including Shukaku. The point I'm trying to make is that none of the tailed beasts are ever called "the #-Tailed X," except for the Nine-Tails (Nine-Tailed Demon Fox) and Shukaku (One-Tailed Shukaku). It would be fanon to call the Sis-Tails the "Six-Tailed Slug". It would even be fanon to call the Eight-Tails the "Eight-Tailed Giant Ox," since he has only been called "Eight-Tails" and "Giant Ox" separately and never as one name. —ShounenSuki (talk 19:02, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * My opinion is the same as Gojita's. The fact the current names all have a canon basis, be it Suigetsu's description and Kishimoto's comments on them in the fanbook means the names right now aren't necessarily fanon. If anything, we can keep the current names and check the unnamed box. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:48, September 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * If I may offer a similar case: we do not use "Torune Aburame". "Torune" is valid since that is what everyone calls him, and "Aburame" is valid since he has been established through the comments of others and his own jutsu to be from the Aburame clan. We do not mix the two since that combination is likely incorrect. And yet this is done with the tailed beasts, official designations being combined with characters' descriptors or (in the case of six and seven) fan descriptors. ~SnapperTo 00:08, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * But with Torune, we have good reason to believe it's an alias, unlike the Tailed Beasts. If Tenzo was Yamato's actual name instead of an old codename, we'd use it. We know Torune is an Aburame, but since Torune is, or is most likely to be an alias, we don't mix the two. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:17, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, the situation with the tailed beasts is different from using Torune Aburame, but definitely similar.
 * With Torune, we have two names with two different functions. One is his codename: Torune and one his his family name: Aburame.
 * With the tailed beasts, let's use the Eight-Tails as an example, we also have two names. One is their "tails" name: Eight-Tails and the other is a description: Giant Ox.
 * However, we cannot just assume this description is part of their full name, especially not in cases where we thought of the description ourselves. The Nine-Tails is called a "demon fox," but it has also been called monster fox, nine-tailed fox, and a bunch of other things. None of which can be considered the fox's name.
 * I think we should really go with the only truly canon names we have for most of the tailed beasts, their "tails" names. —ShounenSuki (talk 12:21, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Could we at least preserve the smaller parts in "other names" section of the infobox? For example, Two Tails has been called "monster cat" and "living ghost", those could go in the separate field in the infobox. Same for Giant Ox for Eight-Tails, anime descriptions and Kishimoto's comments on their designs from the second artbook. Hopefully Madara will make use of the beasts in the war so we can get entries on them in the next databook. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:45, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was never planning on removing the names completely. The names that were used in the series should be found on the page. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:36, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was thinking of moving all of the beasts to X-Tails, but I see this discussion never reached much of a consensus. Has anyone changed their minds in these last six months? Does anyone else have something to add? ~SnapperTo 04:02, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, their current names may have a basis, but they are not official. Most of the beasts have been called X-tails, so that's what I think we should use.--Deva 27 04:19, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Would prefer the full names, just to be different but its neither here nor there. We can toss em under the "Other" section in the infobox so they aren't a total waste.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 05:38, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * But most of them aren't even "other". They're what we - the fans - decided to call them. ~SnapperTo 06:01, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know. I ment that last bit to be more of a question, as in "Can we toss em under the "Other" section in the infobox so they aren't a total waste".--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 11:27, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Most of them are preserved under the species parameter. I don't think the "full names" should be kept for 3-8 (not sure about 2; 1 and 9 are legit). ~SnapperTo 17:25, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

/shrug. I just don't want to lose the lovely Japanese we came up with everything.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 17:45, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

Anyone else?--Deva 27 21:42, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bump.--Deva 27 16:31, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

I'm good with the decision.--Cerez365™ 16:55, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. I agree. --NejiLoverr26 17:37, June 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree too. Let's do it. KazeKitsune (talk) 18:08, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Err, are we going to change the names now or what? KazeKitsune (talk) 01:49, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree, but I suggest we wait another day or two before changing all this, just in case someone disagrees.  ~ Fmakck© (Images 05:13, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Here's an idea: keep the Nine-Tails and One-Tail with their current names, since those have been used in canon, move the other tails to the "X-Tails" format, but keep their current names in the other names section just in case. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:50, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * But those names aren't real, their fan made.--Deva 27 20:55, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Through canon comments. Two-Tails for example, was called 'Monster Cat' by Hidan. I think they should just be kept somewhere, maybe even in a talk page, or uncommented in the infobox. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:55, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * So no one disagrees to changing beasts 3-8 to X-Tails?  ~ Fmakck© (Images 12:42, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

So can we start moving the pages now?--Deva 27 18:21, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's been over a week, and no one said no, I'll start moving them, but can the NarutoBot help with changing their names in the articles?  ~ Fmakck© (Images 18:44, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure if Two-Tails should be moved. Didn't Hidan say "Nibi no Bakeneko" as one name?--LeafShinobi (talk) 20:29, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * No I'm pretty sure that he said just bakeneko and ikiryō. KazeKitsune (talk) 20:40, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * So...was it a "no" on my question to put the names we came up with under the "Other" category or at least mention it under trivia or something?--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 23:44, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the made-up names should be somewhere in the article.  ~ Fmakck© (Images 23:55, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Why? They're made up. What's the use in mentioning them? —ShounenSuki (talk 01:29, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * It just seems some amount of effort was used to make them up, and several online communities use those same made-up names.  ~ Fmakck© (Images 01:57, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wait...you mean "Kyuubi no Youko" isn't the Kyuubi's real name? --Alexdhamp (talk) 05:33, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Still kinda fit. Like we agreed the last time, the the beasts were named after the form they took. And it just seems like a waste of good work. At least worth something. As long as the name of the articles were changed, no point in not having them in my opinion.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 09:28, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Because my mind just keeps going and going. To add to the above; Nothing is lost, and something is gained.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 09:30, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thinking about it, the Four-Tails, Five-tails, Six-Tails, and Seven-Tails were all just named after their closest real-life species. Since we'd already be mentioning those species in the info boxes (I assume), we don't specifically have to name them again, methinks.
 * The Two-Tails was actually called a in the manga, so we should definitely mention that. The same goes for the Three-Tails and, and the Eight-Tails and . In the same manner, we should probably mention the name  in Shukaku's article and the name  in the Nine-Tails' article. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:26, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Would listing it in their respective infoboxes be fine?--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 18:37, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * It occurs to me that Zero-Tailed Masked Leech was left out of the loop... ~SnapperTo 18:40, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm too lazy to go watch that movie again to see if it was only called Zero-Tails, or if it was actually called what we call it at the moment. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:46, June 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * It was only called the Zero-Tails. Zero-Tailed Masked Leech came about from the previous naming decision.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 03:27, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Mortality
I was just wondering, does anyone know if the Tailed Beast can be killed? Kishimoto has never really stated such, and when Kushina offered to die with the Nine Tails inside of her, she said that it would prevent it from comming back for a while. Does that mean that they are immortal beings that cannot be killed? Ever? Peruzka (Peruzka) 03:57, September 15, 2010 (UTC) Peruzka
 * Sounds like this has been sufficiently answered lately. They don't die..not permanently. They just get reborn eventually. --Alexdhamp (talk) 05:37, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Full Control
I was wondering on the Jinchuriki page it says who has full control, Shouldnt Yagito Nii be on that list. Because she was able to transform into the beast witout loosing control of her self. And in one of the newer chapters A or Bee said that Bee and Nii went to that island to learn how to control their tailed beast.Scott swag (talk) 04:45, October 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * She isn't included amongst Madara's list of those in full control. I would, because of that, argue that Naruto is not in full control either. ~SnapperTo 06:06, October 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Her control was obviously high, it probably just wasn't quite as total as Killerbee's. Maybe when she was in full cat move it influenced her actions or something, she did close the area off first after all. Anyway, she wasn't on the list. ZeroSD (talk) 06:12, October 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * OOh thanks for clearing that up.Scott swag (talk) 15:13, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

While on the topic, didn't Killer Bee say in chapter 515 that Naruto didn't have full control over the fox yet, and had to train? 90.239.110.31 (talk) 20:43, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

In all technicality, Naruto doesn't have control over the Nine-Tails at all, just its power. If I remember correctly, Danzo stated his list; "Only four shinobi in history could control the tailed beasts: The First Hokage, Madara, Killer Bee, and Yagura." Naruto can't exactly control the Nine-Tails itself like Madara can, he was only able to take away its power and lock it away. Even its power he doesn't have full control over, where as Killer Bee demonstrates in the latest chapter his ability to use the Eight-Tails chakra as if it were "his own arms and legs". --Juubi no Ryuu (talk) 23:52, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Original Legends
I think there should be an original legends page (like a companion page) that lists the original animals on the tailed beasts, ie the Weasel, Badger, Dog, etc.

75.37.53.190 (talk) 23:38, December 4, 2010 (UTC)TiannaMVA@Fanfiction.Net

Yeah, those are fake. No one has ever provided a reliable source showing such a legend actually exists. The only place I ever saw those being mentioned are random online boards. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:46, December 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fake? The Kyuubi no Youko, at least, is based on a real Japanese Myth. In it, Kitsune gain one tail every 100 years they live, growing progressively stronger until they are a millennium old and attain all nine tails. With them, they acquire omniscience, omnipotence, and immortality. Then, there's the tanuki, that the Ichibi seems to be based on, and the Nekomata, a Two-tailed monster cat in mythology. --Alexdhamp (talk) 05:45, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * There was some truth in that so-called Legend of the Tailed Beasts, however, most of the information was incorrect or twisted to fit the author's goals and the entire idea of a group of mythical animals called the Tailed Beasts has no foundation in real-life mythology. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:27, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh! I thought the subject was just about the myths that some of the beasts were apparently based on.. I didn't know there had been a false legend tying them all together like that floating around. My apologies, then. >.< --Alexdhamp (talk) 22:54, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Control over the bijuu
In the trivia where it says that some jinchurikis have control over their tailed beast, I think is being left the 2-tailed beast jinchuriki, she seem to have quite control even to transform in her bijjuu, I am right? TheNewSheik (talk) 08:23, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Although she can transform into it, she doesn't have very good control over it, much like Naruto's Three Tailed Transformation. - Fmakck - Talk - Contributions 20:42, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Sealing
To be sealed in the pot the third raikage used, the beast has to respond to it's name. But in the tailed beasts article it says "When tailed beasts are sealed within humans, they are able to benefit from the knowledge of their hosts, giving them the ability to speak and better utilize their powers." If responding is talking, then something doesn't add up, where is the reference for that bit from the tailed beasts article? S im A nt 13:07, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Although I'll readily admit I can't for the life of me remember it ever being stated that bijū cannot talk outside of their host, responding is a very broad term and certainly doesn't need to refer to only spoken responses. Simply turning your head towards the speaker is already a response in some way. —ShounenSuki (talk 13:11, March 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * http://www.mangareader.net/93-56104-8/naruto/chapter-504.html The fox says "Damned humans." S im A nt 13:20, March 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, that proves bijū can speak outside of a jinchūriki. —ShounenSuki (talk 13:23, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * So i guess i'll remove that whole bit. S im A nt 18:14, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * We do have to take in consideration that the Nine-Tails at that point was recently released. Deidara does tell Tobi that the Three-Tails was easier to defeat because it didn't have a host. Either that or because it spent so long without a host. Chapter 317 or 318. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:31, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Isn't a dog barking at you when you call it's name(or just calling out to it) a response? And, as Shounen said, even looking at someone when they're talking to you is a response. Though, I've wondered about that line..what does it really mean? Is that a correct translation? Did it just mean that human intelligence and coherence lets them focus their power in a way they couldn't on their own? --Alexdhamp (talk) 06:05, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

I want to add that the Ichibi could speak, too. Seelentau 愛議 06:36, October 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ichibi was also at that time sealed in Gaara, similar to Hachibi being able to speak through Killer B. --VolteMetalic (talk) 09:49, October 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ichibi was free at one point: When Gaara used his Feigned Sleep Technique. It was definitly the Ichibi talking then, not Gaara. Seelentau 愛議 13:28, October 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * That's not free, that's unrestrained. Shukaku was still sealed inside Gaara, he was just allowed to manifest itself. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:49, October 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Then why is the VA different? And if that's not free, how was the Kyuubi free when Tobi controlled him? Seelentau 愛議 22:39, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

One VA for the host, one for the beast. Shukaku was still sealed inside Gaara, it simply had taken over him. By free, I mean not sealed in a host, like the Three-Tails was when Tobi and Deidara captured it. Gaara simply allowed the Shukaku to take over, but Shukaku was still sealed inside Gaara, bound to him. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:50, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Three-Tailed Giant Turtle Water Ball
as i was re-watching shippuden, i noticed that the sanbi can use 3 "water balls" at the same time, not just 2. --Djo5296 (talk) 13:19, April 3, 2011 (UTC)djo5296

i will include a picture as proof ASAP.--Djo5296 (talk) 15:01, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Detection
In 565, the Eight-Tails was able to detect that the other tailed beasts had been resealed into their hosts. This suggests that tailed beasts can detect each other when in proximity. In part I, does anyone remember how Shukaku reacted to Naruto or his tailed beast chakra? I recall him not recognising Naruto and Gamabunta when they turned into a fox (though I remember in the manga there was only one tail). Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:07, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * He didn't react in any way, but that can be chalked up to the fact(s) that he knew/sensed it wasn't the Nine-Tails and it only having one tail or something. I think it'd be fine to make a note according to what happened in chapter 565.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 22:11, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Add to that, that Nine-Tails and Eight-Tails knows each other ... There were one being before basically :P --Elveonora (talk) 22:18, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * What I mean about Shukaku is that from what the Eight-Tails showed, tailed beasts can sense each other when close, even if both are sealed. Shukaku and the Nine-Tails should have sensed each other, though we would only know from Shukaku, since it was actually released, unlike the Nine-Tails. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:33, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Different?
The Eight-Tails mentioned that Utakata,Roshi,Fu,Yugito,Han were made back into Jinchuriki, does this mean that they contain the beasts inside them again or they merely retained their powers when they were revived? The Eight Tails also mentioned that it felt the Tailed Beasts were different. 119.154.22.50 (talk) 11:34, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Apparently Tobi actually resealed the beasts into them. I don't know why when it took so much effort to extract them in the first place, but he seems fine with it ~_~--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 11:48, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

Can their 'Difference' mean that Tobi is controlling in the same way he controlled Yagura as the Mizukage? 119.154.3.29 (talk) 10:08, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

The Difference is most likely Tobi's chakra since he control them with the rods. --Elveonora (talk) 15:26, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

It was also stated that Yagura was under a genjutsu.--Cerez365™ 15:32, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

So he's controlling them with a mixture of Chakra Rods and genjutsu right? 119.154.23.109 (talk) 16:24, December 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Why is genjutsu necessary?--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 16:27, December 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think they were confused cause you said Yagura was controlled by genjutsu. As for the tailed beast now, it could be the chakra rods but we don't know. Wait until the next chapter is released and they might explain why. Joshbl56  16:55, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

In short, we don't know, and we shouldn't speculate. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:08, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Relationship with other Tailed Beast
Seeing as the new chapter mentions the one-tail and two-tails to hate the nine-tails because of his views on their strength because of their tails, do you think we have enough information to have a section about how the tailed-beast act/feel about each other? Joshbl56 12:00, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I missed the part where it said the Nine-Tails also looks down on the Two-Tails, I only recall th Eight-Tails saying that about the One-Tail. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:08, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoops. I somehow got the word Ichibi mixed up with Yonbi '^.^ That's what I get for skimming the text on my first go-through of the chapter. Joshbl56  13:13, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Shukakus part.
Well, the other beasts are all mentioned about being resealed in their jinchuriki. I think we should also put a part in his section. It's sort of like we've forgot about him xD Will add something, feel free to remove if you disagree. SusanooUnleashed (talk) 10:15, December 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * What could we put in his part? He hasn't been seen/heard of since the beginning of Shippuden chapters :S Joshbl56  10:18, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Like "it seems he is the only Tailed Beast not re-sealed into a host from those controlled by Tobi" and "Kyubi think that Ichibi is weak" or something :P --Elveonora (talk) 16:53, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Pseudo-jinchuriki
Honestly, the stuff about the unnamed Kumogakure, the Gold and Silver Brothers, and Sora should probably be moved to the jinchuriki page.

Also, the detail about the Six-Tails doesn't really seem like it should be there, unless we're going to cover all the manga-anime differences for how the Tailed Beasts were caught.

The summoning technique bit (is it even true any more, given the recent chapters?) can easily go with the Madara bit, or the summoning technique article. There's really no evidence that there's anything limiting it to the Nine-tails, it just hasn't been done.

The Taka note can probably stand to be shortened. All that really needs to be communicated is that the seventh beast and Taka joining are switched in the anime. 19:15, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Original names
So, considering they have their original names, how are we going to do this? I see that Son Goku and Kurama have already been moved to fit Shukaku's naming. Are we going to keep this, or will we move them just to the non-numerical name? From what I saw in the chapter, they consider their names to be just the non-numerical tail part. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:09, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * I suggest to just keep it. --Ilnarutoanime -NejiLoverr- 13:16, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was thinking the same. But imo we should wait until all names are revealed. geohound | talk

(EDITCONFLICTS!) I'm going to go with honouring the words of Son Gok(u/ū) (I think that might need to be changed:s) and just calling them by their given names. He did after all call the numerical portion a "moniker" and I'm sure we're getting the others' names soon so it won't be a problem with consistency. This way we'd do away with people renaming the articles "Monster|Giant|Demon w/e"--Cerez365™ 13:22, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

I we should remove the tailed parts from their names.--Deva 27 13:29, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * What do you mean exactly? --Ilnarutoanime -NejiLoverr- 13:36, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

Since Narutopedia is suppose to have as accurate information as possible, we should drop the Tail part and call them by their real name (if now the translation can be trusted). With redirects people will find the beasts, and the tailed part will still be in the infobox. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 13:39, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * @Ilnarutoanime: I think he means moving them to just the name, if the name is known. For example, articles would be named "Shukaku", "Son Goku" and "Kurama". Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:41, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * So the Nine-Tails gets moved to Kurama, and Four-Tails moved to Son Goku. Shukaku can stay as is because we honestly don't know if that is it's actual name or just another moniker but changing it is fine with me.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 13:52, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well Omni that's a great idea!--Ilnarutoanime -NejiLoverr- 13:55, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Like this.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 13:58, December 26, 2011 (UTC)