Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33959444-20180519003101/@comment-33959444-20180519214735

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Gyuki is half bull and Half octopus (obviously xd ;_;), but which part does the breathing? '-' yup that's correct the Bull part .-. To use the 5 hungry shark tech water musttt be present or else it would be sharks swimming on land ;_;, so i'll assume that you're saying it's manda and orochimaru in that giant oval of water....that's an easy escape for this duo, Manda is easily bigger that that shit, he can also burrow himself down the earth hence escaping '-' and that's kisame's ultimate technique, if that doesnt work then what will? '-'...orochimaru also has ton's of other Giant Snakes at his disposal, summon about 5 of those plus manda.What will kisame do? '-' Fine, you can have the part about octopus and bull. But, remember that Kisame is still ridiculously fast in water, completely speed blitzing and pretty much toying with Bee, who was earlier toying with Taka. Maybe the bull does the breathing, but doesn't the octopus do the swimming? Manda has no speed feats that put him at that level of speed. Remember that Bee was capable of keeping up with people like KCM Naruto, Raikage, and Edo Tensei Itachi. He was even destroying MS Sasuke who later on reacted to an attack from the Fourth Raikage. Kisame could just speed blitz Manda. And let's also not forget that Kisame has super human strength. Guy mentioned that even a 30% Chakra Clone of Kisame had insane strength. Kisame right after being destroyed by Seventh Gate Guy and placed inside a Wood Style stock which suppressed his Chakra had enough strength to destroy the Wood Style, which was capable of suppressing 4T Naruto, which not even Kusanagi was even able to impale. He was also physically overwhelming Bee who was able to defeat the Fourth Raikage (when Bee was in base) with a Lariat while the Fourth Raikage had the Lightning Cloak activated. He also was sparring with Suigetsu who can enlarge his muscles because of water body and become stronger. He survived Hirodura from Seventh Gate Guy. And it's true Guy wasn't trying to kill Kisame because he wanted to interrogate him, but the Hirodura still shook all of Turtle Island and was even sensed by Naruto, Aoba, and the others. And remember that a Hirodura from a heavily weakened Kisame pushed Madara's Humanoid Susano'o. Kisame is heavily slept on.

True, but Kisame could just make a large reserve of water. And the battle takes place on Turtle Island, which is surrounded by water. Remember that a 30% Chakra Clone of Kisame pretty much made a lake against Team Guy.

I don't think Manda or Orochimaru could escape. First of all, Orochimaru definitely has no way of swimming faster than Kisame. Kisame is in the middle of the bubble as well, so Orochimaru's only way of escape is riding Manda out. Manda being bigger than the Water Style is questionable because not even the giant raccoon and Bee after using the partial Tailed Beast Transformation were anywhere near as big as it. And even if they were, I don't see why Kisame couldn't make it bigger.

That isn't Kisame's ultimate technique. He still has Super Water Shark Bomb, which can constantly get bigger by absorbing the Chakra of an enemy.

Orochimaru's other snakes aren't nearly as strong as Manda. They can be dealt with.