Talk:Genjutsu: Sharingan

Debut?
Wouldn't the debut be when Kakashi used a very subtle Sharingan genjutsu on Zabuza. Chapter 15.NoJutsu (talk) 02:16, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Picture?
Wouldn't an actual image of this genjutsu in action be better? For example, when Deidara was in Sasuke's Sharingan Genjutsu.NoJutsu (talk) 05:03, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Since we don't actually know what this looks like, it's hard to come up with a single one. If this indeed refers to generic Genjutsu cast by the eye, that makes a single illusion even less usable. Hence, why I assume just the eye was used. Skitts (talk) 05:28, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Picture ? the genjutsu differ each time and from user to user, so likely images of every single basic Sharingan genjutsu--Elveonora (talk) 05:42, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

A picture of a normal sharingan should be good cause thats all it takes for the gen jutsu to take effect.

Other generic Sharingan genjutsu
Since we now have a canonical name that covers all generic Sharingan genjutsus, shouldn't those ones without canonical names be merged with Genjutsu: Sharingan? For example Demonic Illusion: Burning Paper Body.

I mean, if we start creating articles for all the generic Sharingan genjutsus that lacks a canonical name, then we will have to make one for Kakashi's Sharingan genjutsu he used on Zabuza, and the one he used on Root members. We will also need an article for the one Sasuke used on Deidara. In fact, that one, seeing that it was used twice, would definitely need an article if we're going to leave the other generic Sharingan genjutsus.

I posted this suggestion as well in Demonic Illusion: Burning Paper Body talkpage.

NoJutsu (talk) 06:13, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Also Susanoo Genjutsu. Skitts (talk) 06:24, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Alright then, it's decided. Can someone get unto it? We could do it the same way Susanoo has subsection for different versions of Susanoo. The non-canonical names can go as subsections under Genjutsu: Sharingan.

NoJutsu (talk) 07:11, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

I support merging generic Sharingan genjutsu in this page. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:22, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Yep, it will clear out space from their infobox ... generally a cleanup of these techniques with fanmade name should be made --Elveonora (talk) 02:51, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

I support this 100% Arrancar79 (talk) 02:12, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

User
How are the user of this Jutsu decided? I only know Sasuke's and Kakashi's use of this. What about the others? When did they use it/generic Genjutsu? Seelentau 愛議 11:47, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * And also Itachi ^_^ --S@lil Uchiha Symbol.svg (T@lk) 12:01, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Itachi would've used this when he used Demonic Illusion: Burning Paper Body on Kakashi, not sure why Tobi and Madara are listed, unless controlling Kurama is being counted as generic genjutsu. TricksterKing (talk) 12:07, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

madara used to control kurama and to paralyse that 4th divison shinobi. tobi used it to extract info on nagatos whereabouts from konan as well as to keep torune and foo unconcious inside his pocket dimension. and itachi supposedly used it to preform that demonic illusin burning paper body technique.98.26.240.179 (talk) 12:10, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * To our knowledge, Genjutsu isn't used to control Kurama. It's a power granted by the Mangekyō Sharingan. Madara used to a induce temporary paralysis on a guy in battle. Skitts (talk) 13:46, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * The MS was never used to control the Nine Tails. Seelentau 愛議 17:56, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, of course it's a genjutsu controlling the Tailed Beasts ... --Elveonora (talk) 20:52, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

tobi used a normal sharingan to control kurama it was also said that he manipulated yagura using genjutsu most likley sharingan based genjutsu.98.26.240.179 (talk) 01:56, May 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay. And why are those named techniques related to this, but not Izanagi (for example)? Seelentau 愛議 10:22, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Since I was the one that did it I should answer me guesses. I added shackling stakes and the mirror heaved and earth change because of the "generic" sort of effects they produce as opposed to the "hype" O.o put behind Izanagi and Izanami being two of the ultimate techniques of the clan and being kinjutsu as well. The effects of those vs. the other two named ones don't seem so "generic".--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 18:42, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

@Cerez, I would remove Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique and Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change since effects of both are not generic and both have an databook entry.--Elveonora (talk) 18:48, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * They do. But that doesn't mean that the Sharingan genjutsu isn't the parent technique. I should have probably not said that the effects were generic but that the techniques seemed to be. The Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique even states that it requires the Sharingan and direct eye contact and the Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change technique states that it requires the use of the Sharingan's power.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 18:54, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, by generic I thought you meant just some random genjutsu--Elveonora (talk) 18:58, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Techniques that were given a name/data book article should not be included here. O.o Really only things like Susanoo Genjutsu, Burning Paper Body and Madara's genjutsu paralysis should be. You know, actual generic illusions. Skitts (talk) 03:02, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I meant generic in the sense that these were common place genjutsu for the Uchiha and outside of those revered like Kotoamatsukami and the kinjutsu and such, these were the run-of-the-mill kinda techniques they used sorta like the Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:35, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * So should Tobi controlling Kurama be counted as this, since it's implied that such a feat is rare to the point that nobody believed that anyone but Madara was capable of it. TricksterKing (talk) 11:49, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

i'd say so.98.26.240.179 (talk) 11:53, May 17, 2012 (UTC)yomiko-chan
 * Given that we're (well I'm) still unclear on whether or not Tobi&/Madara used the Sharingan or Mangekyō Sharingan to control Kurama in those instances, I wouldn't chalk that up to this technique. It'd seem odd-put to do so any way.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 12:05, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * So should Tobi be removed from the list of users, since none of his genjutsu have actually had the effects shown from the user's perspective? TricksterKing (talk) 12:22, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Tobi kept Fū and Torune under genjutsu for a while until he had Kabuto demonstrate Impure World Reincarnation with them. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:03, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I'd forgotten about them. TricksterKing (talk) 03:10, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

The rotation
Do you know about the rotation of the Tomoe around the middle? It isn't shown often, but would you say that it is a sign of the generic Genjutsu being used? Seelentau 愛議 15:34, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Not always, the rotation is shown during "hypnosis" or something --Elveonora (talk) 16:38, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Isn't that just what a Genjutsu is? Seelentau 愛議 19:16, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

It falls under the category of genjutsu ... but it's not an illusion but more like mind-control "_"--Elveonora (talk) 19:17, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * So I'm right. When a Genjutsu is used (with whatever purpose), the Tomoe are spinning sometimes. Seelentau 愛議 19:54, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Likely the motion of spinning creates the genjutsu --Elveonora (talk) 20:33, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's what I was getting at, yes. Should we add it? Seelentau 愛議 22:10, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's possible that it's just used to draw attention to the sharingan to establish eye contact with the victim. TricksterKing (talk) 23:16, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sasuke
Didn't sasuke do it here ? exept he used mangekyō sharingan --Ryanheartsthedarkness (talk) 14:31, July 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, he did.--72.252.230.85 (talk) 14:46, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

In that case shouldn't we change the info to that it can be used with the sharingan and the mangekyō sharingan? --86.166.27.205 (talk) 12:59, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * It was mentioned before but it was removed because it was a bit redundant I think because all the abilities of the Sharingan are accessible by its evolutionary form.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:03, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

yeah your right! maybe that's how madara can use susano'o with the rinnegan activated..your aweshume cerez! x --86.166.27.205 (talk) 13:53, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

So should we list mangekyō sharingan in the info box? --86.166.27.205 (talk) 13:54, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Would this be "Genjutsu: Sharingan"? --86.166.27.205 (talk) 13:59, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * That might be Tsukuyomi. Also no need to add MS because Sharingan is there.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 14:25, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Understood sir! lol x --86.166.27.205 (talk) 14:37, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Called me sir =$ Lol x --Cerez 365 ™(talk) 14:40, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Against Killer B it was a Tsukuyomi for sure, he turned on MS to use it and it put strain on his eye, not to mention the colours, effects and all--Elveonora (talk) 15:59, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

lolx--86.166.27.205 (talk) 17:04, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't we use the picture of sasuke's tsukuyomi againts killer b on tsukuyomi page like as a slide show? x --86.166.27.205 (talk) 17:07, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Not to bring up that tired old debate again, but perhaps we should leave the issue of Sasuke using Tsukuyomi somewhat vague until a databook elaborates on it?--BeyondRed (talk) 03:41, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. Doesn't make sense we dredge it up and start another lengthy discussion that won't lead anywhere until we get more information.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 10:28, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Hi guys, yeah there is really no need to bring that old discussion ^_^. I also got confused when Sasuke used it. We can write a trivia or something like that. In the manga it's seemed to me that's really a Tsukuyomi. Maybe in the anime they got misked, changed it or it's an error like other naruto's episodes and techniques, right? Should we write a trivia here or on the Tsukuyomi's page and the anime and manga differences? THANKYOU Small brother (talk) 18:00, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

There is also Itachi's version. THANKYOU Small brother (talk) 19:02, October 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * As revealed by Madara in the latest chapter a genjutsu starts out as a blank piece of papper and have no permanent shape or form or context, all up to the user. The only thing that defines Tsukyomi is the strenght of it and the mental damage is cause not to mention how it is almoust impossible to break as said by Itachi himself. --Gojita (talk) 20:33, October 17, 2012 (UTC)Gojita

Yeah, you maybe right sensei. But i think we can say that if the techniques i mentioned before are on the same style. For example, if Itachi's version in the manga has used a Tsukuyomi background, or Sasuke's version in the anime has also used a Tsukuyomi background, then we can say what you sensei mention before though it will still a confused issue/case. I'm not saying you're wrong of course sensei, i just say my opinion. What do you think? ^_^ THANKYOU Small brother (talk) 13:18, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Sasuke used Tsukuyomi, end of forum--Elveonora (talk) 23:01, October 19, 2012 (UTC)