Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26104757-20170619053257/@comment-5085906-20170706100543

Namikazenaruto9 wrote:

I don't know but I am pretty sure That Shikamaru is on whole other level than tsunade or Chiyo Especially in terms of intelligence contrary to your claims. Tsunade doesn't work by outwitting the opponent unlike kakashi or Shikamaru. Her's Combative stance is direct one. Besides Kakashi was the one who appreciated about their team work during the fight if you are forgetting.

Not really. Yes, he is smarter than them, but the databooks dictate that all three of them are around the same tier when it comes to intelligence. They all scored 5 in that aspect. What they have more than Shikamaru is experience and, in the case of Tsunade, brute strength. Also, I'm calling it as I see it - in their fight against Team Asuma, Kakuzu and Hidan spent the better part of it arguing with one another while low-level jonin Asuma and three chunin watched. Their only advantage is that they don't care about harming one another so their attacks can cover large areas.

Namikazenaruto9 wrote: HE was caught. And I am pretty sure that he didn't resist much or tried to counter Tsunade. Besides you are underestimating Asuma's tech a lot considering Blade wasn't as important as the wind release imbued in it whose penetrating power is said to be higher than that of even Lightning style.

Doesn't matter if he was caught or not. I'm talking about Tsunade's strength. Jiraiya spoke of that event and compared it to taking a blow from Four Tails. The fact that she has strength comparable to a version 2 Kyuubi is something. And I'm not underestimating Asuma's blades, but I am giving credit to Chiyo's puppets and Tsunade's strength. Tsunade wouldn't even have to preoccupy herself with Hidan that much - simply use Body Deranged Pathway on him and then focus on Kakuzu while Chiyo could use her puppets to cut his head off.

Namikazenaruto9 wrote: It doesn't. simply because She has to get past kakuzu and his masks. Plus She has to reach him before he completes drawing pentagram design. Besides Asuma was lot faster but sill he couldn't dodge the fatal one. also Hidan has far greater stamina he would eventually overwhelm her. That's because 1) Asuma already had faced substantial injuries 2) Hidan had already created the pentagram - Tsunade would be able to withstand both of those, first one with her healing techs and the second one by, you know, punching Hidan out of the circle instead of using a scorching technique. Chiyo could support her in dealing with the masks. Also, Hidan's stamina is much greater than Shikamaru's and Kakashi's but they repeatedly handed him his ass during that battle; especially true in the case of Kakashi, who actually fought him in hand to hand combat. Tsunade is more durable than those two in the meanwhile. She would handle him just fine.

Namikazenaruto9 wrote: No But even Tsunade stopped in tracks when she saw naruto attempting Rasengan when she fought Naruto. That should tell you that rasengan would do immense damage and on top of that even tsunade was amazed by Kabuto regeneration. Susanoo Blade did same damage as any sword at best would have done, Besides that sword wasn't even PS sword. So I don't see the hype you all are making.

She stopped in her tracks because she was surprised that a boy like Naruto could use a rasengan. And, she was drunk in that fight. Tsunade being amazed at Kabuto's regeneration does not mean it's superior to hers. Several Uchiha showed amusement at Kakashi's use of the MS, but that does not mean that he could use it to its full extent. Look at this: []. The size of that wound is huge, yet immediately after that Tsunade pushed it through her stomach and hit Madara with it. And really it may not be as impressive as some other Susanoo feats, but comparing the blade to a Part I Naruto rasengan is nowhere near doing it justice. Tsunade's punches and kicks could do more damage than that Rasengan considering she actually caused a crack in Madara's susanoo, the same susanoo which had tanked Naruto's oodama rasengan

Mr. Grave wrote: I gave example of only two of them (Fire + Wind), Their are several other combo remaining and on top of that three other masks. Even If She is left with Mother +Father puppet can they resist the lightning mask? I mean Lightning masks attack is as strong as raikiri? Still think puppets would survive long enough? I don't think so.Besides it's heavily hinted that Chiyo has antagonistical rivalry with Tsuande, Do you still think they would have that perfect team work. If the fight is on equal terms(Equivalent intel and so on) Definitely immortal duos Should come out on top.

Whatever the combinations, Kakuzu cannot spam those attacks. He could use it once, maybe twice. We're forgetting that he also runs in chakra just like them mortals. Also, Chiyo wanted to kill Kakashi at one instance and then worked alongside one of his pupils in the other (almost flawlessly at that). I think they would abandon their rivalries to fight together pretty easily.