Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20160221124823/@comment-27924662-20160313135205

QuakingStar wrote: Itachi doesn't need massive chakra to win, he never did need it he never will. Again stop with the DBZ logic. well from massive chakra meant that he could have large number of summons which would give him some advantage against a genjutsu type shinobi like itachi but anyways i agree, point taken! MlGshinobi wrote: You don't need uzumaki chakra reserves and mountain busting attacks to best your opponent. Itachi can stream amaterasu not just fire it. He also has genjustu tactics and intelligence that allow him to make up for his weaknesses. Itachi also overlays attacks. Stamina isn't the only determining factor of a battle, because by that logic itachi is the weakest character in naruto. well i agree here somewhat but not completely! intelligence would change the outcome but are you saying that would it give itachi a huge advantage, i highly doubt such a claim i mean come on jiraiya fought in great ninja war (where shinobi use any means to kill opponents including sneak attacks and other such forbidden ways) and survived he has huge experience in fighting in various turfs and definitely he would have fought many genjutsu user along the way(my be even in chunin and jonin exams) surely fighting itachi might not be very much different,infact itachi might find himself at disadvantage against such an superior oponent. also if jiraiya was able to hide his weak point(in sage avatar while fighting one of the three must always remain still inorder to continuously regain sage mode chakra) from nagato (and at same was able to find flaw in his six paths ) his own student and a great tactician,So i highly doubt that itachi's intelligence would be great enough to give him the required edge in the battle. Ninja Of War wrote:	@Namikazenaruto69 How do you think the opening stages of the fight will go? Well Itachi has 3 main weapon in his arsenal if they can be countered he is hardly worth trouble.Now as we all know jiraiya starts fight by observing his opponent and making note of their technique where as itachi defeats them at start usually by using genjutsu. now in itachi's arsenal we first have Tsukoyomi. the very effective counter following jiraiya 's habit is shadow clone.(as you would have seen in kazekage rescue mission arc kakashi countered Tsukoyomi with use of shadow clones and since shadow clones aren't affected by genjutsu, highly versatile techinque)Also since jiraiya has water ,wind and fire transformation perhaps he can create mist which can reduce the chance of use of genjutsu.So Tsukoyomi or other such cheap tricks are out of equation.(since he knows first hand what happens when someone falls for Tsukoyomi used by itachi) coming up next is amarterasu, since jiraiya has seen the technique he might have come up with a counter.but based on anime or manga feats he can still counter the technique if he comes prepared with fire prom seal scroll (the one he used for sealing in anime) or he can use Hair Needle Senbon same one he used against orochimmaru and deflect all needles with amarterasu back on itachi! again here shadow clone would work if one was made before hand. point to be noted! jiraiya can even use his pervert technique such as transparent escape technique to avoid both of above technique(since the technique used by him was said to be flawless) without any problem with this itachi loses huge amount of energy if he failed to hit with either of them. though i am not sure if its instantaneous but if jiraiya does this from start itachi is goner. last one is his complete susanoo, i doubt itachi would start with this technique since it causes a huge toll on his body(even if he isn't sick),the combo of totska blade and yata mirror is undoutedly unbeatable but problem is he can't keep it up for very long time so during sage mode jiraiya can keep attacking and dodging his attacks or use that frog genjutsu to get him and soon that ultimat attack-defense combo will be defeated.Perhaps he can even use that dark swamp on a large area to take itachi down or UBBR though i am not sure of latter.

i have almost gathered all flaws in itachi's technique but it's not like itachi can't win.jiraiya's only weakness is ladies.perhaps itachi can transform into a girl(or transform a shadow clone) and kill him by getting him offguard or put a Tsukoyomi etc.I have observed that many have said that itachi can win in short amount of time but all of you forgot that whenever 2 great shinobi fight it will never be an easy win.it would always be a long drawn out battle.