User talk:M4ND0N

Hello M4ND0N, greetings and welcome to the Narutopedia! Thanks for your edit to the Tobi page.

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Re: Tobi Article
What you are writing otherwise than being unnecessary, makes it sound like we're gotten definitive proof of who exactly Tobi is. There is still great uncertainty going from the storyline and the information that we have who exactly he is and your revisions is making it sound like it's been said definitively that "Tobi is not Madara Uchiha". None of what is there needs to be there. Also, please remember to sign your posts using four tildes (~) or the signature button--Cerez365™ 00:31, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

I never said he didn't, because it's more than obvious that Madara hated the Senju. However, I don't support copying and pasting the information from Tobi's article. Simply making a note that he did in fact carry hatred for the clan and Hashirama etc... is more than sufficient. I also don't think that any of us are in a position to classify anything as false information in either article.--Cerez365™ 00:54, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Regarding your Tobi edit
If we simply remove things on the basis that he might have been doing that to keep the Madara cover, we might as well remove 80% of the page. I think the best way out is to better word those bits. I'm trying to find a way of doing that, though the edit conflicts are getting in the way a bit. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:43, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Tobi said each of the things that are present in his personality section. He clearly showed his disdain for the Senju in 3 separate occasions: When explaining the truth about Itachi to Sasuke, in the Land of Iron to Naruto, and when he was fighting Konan. Also, he never actually said he wasn't Madara. All he said was that he didn't care whether or not they referred to him by that name as he didn't care. In fact, there is quite a bit of evidence that Tobi is Madara, more so than there is doubt that he isn't:

-The 3rd Databook states that they're the same in both of their articles. -He told Konan-- whom he was about to kill and thus would have absolutely no reason to lie to her-- that he's Madara and that he fought Hashirama at the Valley of the End to gain some of his DNA (which the Edo Madara claimed to have done as well. -Some of the most famous and powerful ninja to ever live in the series--specifically, Minato, Itachi, Onoki, A, Tsunade-- believe that no one but Madara could be responsible and have the motive to do all that he's done. Even Jiraiya, who had no idea of Tobi's existence or claims believed that Madara must be alive and be behind Akatsuki. The largest piece of evidence is the fact that the Kyubi never referred to anyone but Madara controlling it, and Onoki (who fought Madara in the past) never cast any real doubt on Tobi's claim of being him, and upon seeing Madara resurrected was at a loss to think of anyone else that it could be. even though I believe that Tobi could be Madara in some way (a la Splitting Technique), the wiki presents this information because it is ambiguous in this case since we don't know for certain that he isn't Madara, since this has only recently come to light. Skitts (talk) 01:20, December 13, 2011 (UTC)