Talk:Ōtsutsuki Clan

Page reformat
The page is kind of confusing when you come here from somewhere like Kaguya's page because it doesn't really differentiate between the interdimensional clan, the earth clan, or the moon clan. There should at least be individual sections detailing each, if not a full page split for the branch clans seeing as they really have almost nothing in common with the interdimensional clan after Hagoromo and Hamura. Jeov (talk) 16:49, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I have stated as such as well. When I made this article 7 years ago (wow, time sure goes by) I had intended such separation, but I knew many would have opposed this etc. so I kept it simple. Now, we have several types of Otsutsuki:
 * original Otsutsuki (Kaguya, Isshiki, Momoshiki, Kinshiki, Urashiki) who most likely just like the Hyuga, themselves split into Main and Branch families, even though we have no idea who comes from which, but we got a confirmation that Isshiki was higher ranked than Kaguya, meaning her princesshood status became a thing after she had settled on Earth, thus I speculate Kaguya was in fact from the branch family, but it's of no consequence either way.
 * hybrid Otsutsuki:
 * (Hagoromo, Hamura)
 * and their descendants (Toneri and all other of Hamura's descendants who went to the Moon, Asura and Indra)
 * the mess that Jigen, Kawaki, Code and Boruto are, who have gotten 'Otsutsukified' for lack of better terms, in most likelihood making them hybrids closer to Asura and Indra...
 * So yeah, the word 'Otsutsuki' doesn't define a single thing or group anymore, it never has for that matter, as we have original true Otsutsuki with different social orders and hierarchies, hybrids, descendants who still call themselves Otsutsuki, descendants who no longer carry the Otsutsuki name (you could argue Uchiha, Senju/Uzumaki and Hyuga are still Otsutsuki to some extent) and then those who get transformed into Otsutsuki through Karma. Some changes are due imo.Elve Talk Page 17:29, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Boruto and Kawaki are now each over 80% Otsutsuki, literally. While Indra and Asura were less than half each. Hagoromo and Hamura were half. So though they weren't born Otutsuki.. by blood they ARE Otsutsuki.. more than Hagoromo and Hamura in fact. So I do agree things need to be changed on the page. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 19:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
 * We don't really know how the Karma Otsutsukification works tho, they show no physical characteristics. Only time a physical change of any kind occurs is when Momoshiki takes over Boruto or Kawaki fully releases Karma and grows a horn. Also the difference is that Asura and Indra were born part Otsutsuki, while Boruto and Kawaki need to release a seal in order to tap into any kind of Otsutsuki power. Latest manga chapter even talks about how the power (house) is basically dormant and it needs the door (Karma seal) in order to be accessed. So it's like they have Otsutsuki chakra and DNA inside of them or so, but it has to be accessed through a seal and they only ever get physical change of any kind when the seal is fully released (growing horns) so shrugsElve Talk Page 23:40, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Still against it based on the same back and forth basis I mentioned the last this was brought up regarding the groups in the same article. Otsutsuki stuff isn't complex because we made it complex, that's on Kishimoto and Kodachi. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:18, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I think it will be done, eventually. I mean, Hamura's descendants even have different clan emblems compared to the one in trivia, which seems to be the original clan's emblem, which brings me back the topic... shouldn't we change the infobox picture? Where does that symbol come from anyway?Elve Talk Page 09:53, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
 * "When a priest made a hand seal, a pattern emerged around the bride and groom’s feet. The double cross design—the crest of the Otsutsuki clan—was being drawn." - The Last novel. Sarutobii2 (talk) 15:31, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Rinne Sharingan
Why is this not added among the other kekkei genkai? half other stuff is known only to one individual or are not even known to the actual clan members. zacharyman1mil - Talk 2:07, 21 february 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not about her being the only user. It's because from the start, we know it's something she didn't acquire naturally, as opposed to her Byakugan for example. Stuff like Senrigan or Isshiki's are still stuff that as far as we know originate in Otsutsuki, since we don't know if those are actually from chakra fruits like RS. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:09, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * its literally stated that the chakra fruits are how they evolve so virtually ALL of their unique genetic traits stem from that same source. the only difference is that we didnt see how or when the others acquired theirs(though the otsutsuki mural implies kaguya did not obtain her RS from the fruit on earth) it also makes no sense for one particular form of rinnegan/sharingan to not be considered while the like 7 other versions are counted. the otsutsuki get their dojutsu from one or more of three ways: inherited at birth, inherited from consuming otsutsuki, obtained by consuming fruit. which of these three are factored into deciding whats allowed on the kekkei genkai list? all three options directly affect each other and any one of the dojutsu could be all of the above(in fact tenseigan has so far been none of the above) zacharyman1mil - Talk 11:54, 9 march 2023 (UTC)
 * Sharingan and Rinnegan were considered not because of Kaguya, but because of Indra and Hagoromo, long before any space mess happened. Tenseigan is considered because as far as we know, Hamura got it naturally. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:27, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
 * it is still very arbitrary to exclude an otsutsuki power because you have seen it acquired(though the murals suggest the filler flashback is not how she got it) in the same manner others also stem from but were unseen or unconfirmed. some if not all of their powers are obtained from eating fruits but are still inheritable through birth or passing down so what's the difference? an article about the otsutsuki powers should include all of them even if their method of acquisition is uncertain should it not? if the chakra fruit is how they evolve all their crazy powers and eyes why should any one of them be randomly excluded because it was acquired through the method they told us? they are all still genetic. zacharyman1mil - Talk 17:16, 29 may 2023 (UTC)