Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30830650-20170114102742/@comment-35622277-20170116031630

Rachin123 wrote: 1. Wow Naruto took on puppets. Well excuse me. Puppets that can shoot small blasts. Even Hinata could take down some of them.

2. Hiashi is practically fodder so his defeat by the puppets isn't that impressive.

3. Great Naruto can create a Rasenshuriken without the need of shadow clones, and wiped out a group of puppets. Even the slowest Pain member could dodge it, even after expanding it. If you don't think Gaara's sand could take the blast of the Rasenshuriken, you are surely overestimating Naruto.

4. Great Naruto can create a giant Rasengan. Question is. Will he be able to hit his targets because there will be a lot of obstacles in his way.

'''5. Naruto's win history is made up of 90% plot. His deception is pure bs most of the time and any logical person will see that.''' 1. Hinata is easily Jonin level, and has surpassed her father. She took down a few of them. We also don't how long she would have lasted against them, given that Toneri wanted her alive. Naruto took down swaths of them without breaking a sweat, and they were trying to kill.

2. Hiashi is Jonin level, so he is not fodder. What's above Jonin? Kage. If Tsunade is Kage level, than Sakura is as well. Are you seriously suggesting his base form is weaker than Sakura?

3. Pain bodies move extremely fast, they also have the Rinnegan. Not all them could dodge it. It took Naruto a great deal of strength to make one while in Sage Mode. The Last: Naruto can spam them. No, Gaara's sand can withstand a Rasenshuriken, just not many. Naruto also knows that, so he would obviously use it as a distraction, given he is much faster than all of them. The fact is, you are overestimating the other 4 Kage, they do not have many feats either, other than fighting and overwhelming Kinshiki with the help of Sasuke, and clashing swords with Momoshiki. Gaara's biggest and toughest battle was with Madara, and he had the help of the other four Kage to enhance his sand. Darui's was with Kinkaku and Ginkaku, and he struggled greatly.

4. Same goes for everyone else, Lol? Can the others hit him? There are obstacles! Seriously?

5. This literally spells bias. You want to talk about logic? Put some in your retorts and stop pulling numbers out of thin air.

All in all, you have not given me a single thing that can effectively counter my arguments. I'm simply trying to prove his base form is Kage level.

I don't want to argue about this anymore, so let's leave it at that. You have your opinion, and I have mine.