Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20181031181855/@comment-36992754-20181111152112

Vladosaurus wrote: I have my doubts that base Minato was as fast as NTCM Naruto to be honest. Minato needed to rely on hiraijin to dodge the raikage while Naruto did it with sunshin, and they did it in a similar fashion. There is no indication of Minato's actual speed without hiraijin, because i can't even recall one important instance where he used his actual speed. Adult Sasuke is definetly faster that Minato imo (excluding hiraijin/ameno) especially since apperently he can amp his speed with lightning release similar to the raikage. Also Naruto (with his amps SPSM/KCM) is probably the fastest character in the series (not counting instant teleportation space-time ninjutsu). Minato could CASUALLY out-speed just about anyone. It took Naruto in KCM and making full use of his KCM to do the same thing. Plus, if base minato is (presumably) as fast as KCM naruto, if not faster, then theoretically since minato can easily use kcm AND sage mode as well. He could literally square his speed. KCM naruto was able to dodge madara's light fang https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2l3CT_Y6a0. With Naruto being able to dodge that light fang wwhich is composed of light means that means Naruto can go past the speed of light. Now imagine naruto being that fast in base. Now, put a KCM over that speed. If that doesn't sound even more ridiculous, put a sage mode over that already god-tier hax broken speed and you basically have probably the most unstoppable speedster ever.