Talk:Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation

The Narutopedia reserves the right to remove any question that could be answered by reading the article.

Casket
Is it not reasonable to assume that the third casket contained what was meant to be Lord Fourth Hokage, as Sarutobi made sure to stop it?

ShieldmaidenI live by honor and die like a warrior 04:03, January 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. --Puppet King ' 00:24, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * It couldn't be the Fourth Hokage because his soul is trapped inside de Shinigami, so he can't be brough back to life with this jutsu. L Mars (talk) 11:57, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please keep this sort of speculation on fan fora.
 * Considering the circumstances, it is beyond ridiculous to think the third coffin held anyone other than the Fourth Hokage, but there is simply not solid evidence for it. --ShounenSuki (talk 14:15, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think the unseen body is the sage of six paths
 * Don't forget the fact that Orochimaru knew nothing of of Shiji Fuujin before that fight. It's not unreasonable to assume that Orochimaru was attempting to summon the 4th. It is however, a screw up that Sarutobi made it a note to stop it when he knew that the 4th couldn't possibly be in there because his soul is trapped within the Shinigami.


 * Where exactly does it ever say you can't be brought out of the Shinigami's stomach? Wouldn't Minato be able to be summoned and then if he dies he just goes back inside the Death God? Because they make it fairly apparent that the Coffin Hiruzen blocked was Minato...Orochimaru summons 3 coffins, 1st and 2nd Hokages come out, the coffin with the 4 on it is stopped, does anything else have to be said? At least mention on the page that this could very possibly have been Minato, who else would it have been?


 * But Minato would'nt've scared Madara. and Kabuto even stats: Don't Worry, No one knows about it." So it has to be someone that he is terrified of. KiumaruHamachi (talk) 16:10, April 12, 2010 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi


 * I think it could be madaras brother because they are equal in strenght and its more logical to me than the fourth or the sage of the six paths ITACHI&#39;95 (talk) 18:37, April 12, 2010 (UTC)ITACHI'95

i dont understand...when orochimaru did it he definitley summoned the 4th. though he is in the shinigami, it is possible for him to be REANIMATED. His body and his soul.... are seperate and the shinigami asside, it is said that the 4th was one of the strongest warriors hence sarutobi stopped it + he knew this because of the 4 on the coffin. in Kabuto's case it could be the fourth but i tend to feel that it was most likley the SOSP; sage of six paths. Also it could be his bro dude to them both being equaly strong. But until it is revealed, we have no idea due to there being no hints what so ever. Wolfvang

Yeah I'm pretty sure it was Minato that Orochimaru was going to summon, but as for the unknown that Kabuto brought out, I think it was Shisui. I would not want it to be the Sage of the Six Paths, that would be way too epic and Kabuto couldn't be that powerful...but I know anything's possible...

I agree that Orochimaru was going to summon Minato, but as for Kabuto, I know it could be Shishui, but did you ever think that the last Casket might be the body of Madara's Brother? I doubt it was the sage of six paths only cause pain was one of the bodies kabuto summoned. Dj q-pid (talk)

Could have been the Fourth Kazekage or Mizukage. We can speculate to the world is destoryed a bllion timesover but till Kishi saids something, it is not the fourth hokage or any kage for that matter.Saimaroimaru (talk) 22:45, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible that the unidentified person in the kasket is Hashirama Senju? Since he's the only person I could think of that Madara could be scared of... User:T0rw0ri (talk) 16:41 May 26th 2010(GMT+1)

Did anyone think that the body in the sixth casket could be from Madara himself? It's not too farfetched considering so little is known about Madara huh? :)


 * Then who would Tobi be? —ShounenSuki (talk 23:25, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

How did Madara phrase his reaction to the sixth coffin? Didn't he say Kabuto was, in so many words, insane to have summoned him/her/it? Arrancar79 (talk) 23:48, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really, he was just very surprised and somewhat angry. We really know three things about who is in the casket:
 * Kabuto thinks it's important enough to Madara to give him no choice but to agree with Kabuto's plans.
 * Madara thought it was impossible/extremely difficult to obtain (information on) whatever is in the coffin.
 * Kabuto thinks Madara doesn't want anyone to know about what is in the coffin.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 00:15, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. While the identity may not be known, I think that's enough to rule out who it's not, or a great many people at least. Arrancar79 (talk) 00:29, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * On the idea of the third casket being Minato. Orochimaru could have been making an attempt to summon him. Not going to speculate if it would even work or not, but in the heat of battle The third may have not wanted to take a chance at it working. Most of it is speculative, but it should help with the page still in a way.Darthwin (talk) 21:33, November 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Who's to say it wasn't the fourth Kazekage he just killed? Arrancar79 (talk) 21:41, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

It could of been the fourth Kazekage or it could of been Minato in the third casket, in the fight between the third hokage and Orochimaru. The reason it could of been Minato is that Minato's chakra/spirit was in Naruto's seal which might allow for Orochimaru to summon him, also Kushina mentions she is going to meet Minato after talking to Naruto. Of course, I don't know how the Naruto-verse's after life is setup. Though in the 'Dead demon consuming seal' it states the "death god consumes the souls of the user and the sealed, sentencing them to be locked in combat within it's stomach for all eternity." If that is true then how can Kushina meet up with Minato, unless Minato somehow sealed his soul in Naruto. Meh whatever, this is all conjecture.--Alastar 89 (talk) 03:04, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Chaper 489
Did Kabuto sacrifice the Taki-nin's bodies for the technique?--GoDai (talk) 01:40, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * No as you can see Anko inspecting it in the same chapter. Though since only one body is shown he may have used the other 2.  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 01:42, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe he attacked a few others before for the one shown for the sacrifice. Either that or he needs less (or possibly none at all) bodies to use the technique.--GoDai (talk) 02:01, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * We can only speculate but speculation can't go in the article.  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 02:02, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about, even Madara admited it --'--Monkeyworld

WTF!?
I can guesstimate Kakuzu and Sasori but how exactly did Kabuto find Nagato and especially Deidara (after blowing himself supposedly to bits) and Itachi? (last time we saw him he was with Madara and Zetsu)Questionaredude (talk) 04:20, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Read how the jutsu works before you comment. You only insult yourself when you don't.  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 04:21, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Those aren't their "actual" bodies, just mere sacrifices. Those sacrifices are then covered in dust an ash (by the technique) to create the looks of the souls that inhabit those sacrifices.

madara probably accepted the offer of kabuto because kabuto bring izuna uchiha(madaras brother) to life again

^^^ And under what FACT did you conclude that it is "IZUNA UCHIHA"? I would really like to see where it is stated^^^ ~DaMakDaddy~

Kakuzu isn't dead though his head is just buried??? so how on earth do you summon a dead person whos still alive???Elvesyou--JS 19:45, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you are referring to Hidan, not Kakuzu. Hidan is able to survive losing his head, and as far as we have been told by the second art book, Hidan is still alive but slowly dying, which is probably why he wasn't resurrected. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 19:49, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

Alive again?
Would Kakuzu, Sasori, Deidara, Nagato, and Itachi be considered alive again because of this jutsu? Evilpuppy123 (talk) 07:11, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * No.  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 07:18, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

hidan
now we know hidan isnt dead because kabuto diddnt bring him back so we can infer hidan is still alive.
 * Hidan is listed as being incapacitated.--Deva 27 (talk) 19:18, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Plus you don't know if Kabuto wants Hidan with him, or if he could summon him (more chakra spent or he dind't had the necessary corpse) L Mars (talk) 19:27, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * This technique involves bringing back a deceased person. Hidan is still dying due to lack of nutrition where Shikamaru left him. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:33, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Unless I am mistaken, Hidan was only buried about a month before Kabuto resurrected everyone. It is unknown how long it takes for Hidan to die, and Kabuto would most likely not try to resurrect him unless he knew for sure that Hidan was dead. Also, it should be noted that Kabuto did not merely resurrect allies. Nagato did turn to Naruto's side after they came face to face. But anyways, the point is that we can't assume anything about Kabuto's use of the jutsu at this point. He did what he did because Kishimoto wanted him to do it. As far as I am concerned, the case is closed. Making assumptions would merely be speculation. Ryne 91 (talk) 19:54, April 2, 2010 (UTC) Ryne I slightly agree with ryne, though hidan had to use his technique to stay alive, so assuming he is still burried (or his head at least) then he is very likley to have died. Nutrition dosent really count due to him not having a stomach. + Hidan is not good with multiple opponents rather only a couple/1. So even if he is dead i doubt he would be wanted. Kazaku made up for most of hidans flaws. + If you think back, hidan was always recieving fatal attacks which would not be wanted on the battle field. Wolfvang

Hidan Isnt died ..its mentioned that he dien slowly due to his lose of vitmins or wtf

Hidan is dead the only reason Hidan was ever immortal was beacues he made sacrifices to his god without those sacrifices he is mortal
 * Hidan shouldn't be dead yet. His immortality was hinged on his sacrifices to Jashin now that he is unable to perform those rituals he'll die eventually and if he isn't dead Kabutomaru cannot summon him --Cerez365 (talk) 17:21, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Dependency on sacrifices to maintain his immorality was a bad translation. ~SnapperTo 18:05, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Itachi WTF???!!
Itachi has been summoned but now he got no eyes cos they r currently with Sasuke so wat does he bring 2 da table? Plus think of Sasuke's surprise when he sees his bro back in action... 121.209.67.200 (talk) 23:33, April 3, 2010 (UTC)Ulti Da Naruto Fan

Forgive me for the rudeness, but read the article before asking the obvious. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:43, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

He might not get to see his bro because it will take him awhile for his eyes to heal or whatever and madara might want to seperate them to avoid any problems.

The resurrected Itachi and others still retain their abilities, at least to an extent as seen when the 1st and 2nd were resurrected. Their power lies in their soul. Itachi's physical body was removed of its eyes, not his spiritual. So he would bring a lot to the table. However, not to full strength as seen when the 1st and 2nd were resurrected.--Knizes (talk) 19:09, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Who's to say he won't be in full power? When Hiruzen fought Hashirama and Tobirama he said they were strong as ever. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:06, April 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * In any case Itachi will be godly without his eyes anyway.

and we're not sure how the jutsu works completely as it's supposed to summon souls to be placed into "earthly vessels" maybe their eyes were obscured for a reason. --Cerez365 (talk) 17:19, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

You must take into account that Itachi was an Anbu-class ninja at a young age and a greatly powerful ninja regardless of the Sharingan. The Uchiha Clan is famous for Fire-type Ninjutsu, which Itachi is shown to be prominent in. And he can probably still use powerful Genjutsu, just not Tsukuyomi(because no Mangekyou on account of Sasuke). He is still a force to be reckoned with.Dangerwilddan (talk) 02:27, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Itachi will be as he was before his death. Read the F*ing jutsu. Arrancar79 (talk) 02:27, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

^^^ I Agree. Folks Just read the article and stop asking questions that are already there.

Name
Doesn't "土" mean "Earth"? Is it possible for it to mean "World"? Or is it that "穢土" as one word means "Impure World"?--GoDai (talk) 19:19, April 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * It also means ground or world. That has different meanings.
 * Earth (as in "Ground" or "Land") is "地." "World" is "世界." That's what I go by after I learned Japanese. By what I know, "土" is "Earth (as in "dirt" or "soil," and like Earth Release 土遁)." --GoDai (talk) 06:30, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nowadays, 土 is mostly used to refer to soil and ground, but it does have an archaic meaning of country and world. For instance, the Amida Buddha's Pure Land is called, means birthplace,  means homeland or mainland, and  means the whole country.
 * 穢土 refers to the world we humans are living in. The opposite of the Amida Buddha's Pure Land. The Impure World. --ShounenSuki (talk 12:32, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see, so it means something like "unholy" in this case?--GoDai (talk) 04:04, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Holy and unholy are rather difficult to use in a purely Buddhist context, as there are no true gods to declare what is holy and what is not. The Impure World is impure because it is corrupted, filled with people bound by earthly desires and thus by their Karma. The Pure Land is pure because it is free of earthly corruptions, allowing the people living their to build off their Karma until they reach enlightenment. --ShounenSuki (talk 08:40, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

When ?
When did Tobirama Senju use this jutsu ???? --Petar93 (talk) 17:00, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you read the last chapter.--Deva 27 (talk) 17:05, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

yeah and that is why i asked was it in the anime or in the manga because i might have missed it --Petar93 (talk) 17:07, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * He was never shown using it, it was just said that he could.--Deva 27 (talk) 17:12, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Summoning: Impure World Resurrection ??
It a bit weird in the manga look analyze: the bodies namely Kakuzu, Itachi, Deidara, Sasori, Nagato :


 * Kakuzu: Konoha has possesion of Kakuzu for autopsy to study the damage of the Rasen-shuriken?
 * Itachi: Akatsuiki has this bodies if they don't how can madara give itachi's eyes to sasuke?
 * Deidara: Didn't he use C0 Jutsu? So there is nosign of his corpse?
 * Sasori: Didn't Kankuro has Sasori's body stated in the manga during Sasuke's attack?
 * Nagato: Didn't Konan had Nagato's and Yahiko"s body?

Can anyone clarify this? -joboyaltar--Joboyaltar (talk) 11:18, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please read the description of the Jutsu. You dont need the body, just the soulL Mars (talk) 11:37, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

those are just the souls not there corpse so kabuto sacrificed someones body in order for nagato kakuzu deidara sasori and itachi's spirit to go to that body he dont need there real corpse when using this tech just the spirit and the sacrificed body!!!!!!!!!

It would be nice if y'all signed your posts, ya know. But i agree: Why don't you people READ the dammit article before you ask the same doubt asked by at least 100 odd people before you? This wiki is full of the same question!! BlazeUchiha 17:02, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

kabuto said he had surpass the former users o this jutsu so maybe he dont need any corpse to bring the souls of the death--Sasuke exiled (talk) 19:54, April 9, 2010 (UTC)sasuke exiled

i don't think anybody knows the answer but please discuss this does itachi still have his sharingan and does nagato has his rinnegan ? its his soul so does the eye doujutsu sticks to it or does they have just normal eyes ?(i don't see nagato with normal eyes) --Petar93 (talk) 16:55, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Probably, when Orochimaru summoned Hashirama, he could still use Wood Release jutsu. Kekkei genkai appear to be tied to the soul. And since Kabuto claims he's better with the jutsu than Oro was, it's only logical to assume that they'll still have their abilities. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:29, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably should include it somewhere in the article that hashirama could still use his kekkei genkai. - S im A nt 17:41, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

it didn't seem my question to be stupid huh :D --Petar93 (talk) 19:28, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

It is proven that Kekkei Genkai and all abilities remain with the soul. This is displayed with Hashirama's Mokuton, Tobirama's Suiton, and Deidara's various Clay-based abilities.Dangerwilddan (talk) 02:41, November 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Except neither Tobirama nor Deidara's jutsu were kekkei genkai.

Summoning: IWR - special fuda tag
In the description of this skill, the returned soul retains its own free-will until a special fuda tag is placed. The descriptions describes how to destroy the returned soul - but never makes it clear if the soul can ever regain free-will. Would removing the fuda tag give the soul its free-will back? Or has this question not been addressed yet in the series? -Tofugolem 22:40, April 10, 2010 (EDT)


 * Unknown. Orochimaru places the tags in the Hokage's skulls, so removal wasn't really an option. ~SnapperTo 03:04, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Soul transfer
This jutsu brings the soul back into a body, then the body takes the souls shape... its just like Orochimaru's immortality jutsu, however we consider him to live afer the jutsu is use, then shouldn't Nagato, Itachi, Sasori, Deidara and Kakuzu be considered alive as well????--Silverblade1 (talk) 02:50, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Orochimaru isn't a mindless puppet, brought into this world by force and bound to another person's will. --ShounenSuki (talk 08:34, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Kabuto
The resurrected souls are aware of what's happening (when the 2nd told the 3rd that he was sorry), but are controlled by the summoner. Do the resurrected souls act more so defensively or offensively? Additionally if the new Kabuto is killed with these resurrected souls summoned, will the technique become void?--65.82.83.226 (talk) 14:48, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * The summoned souls would follow every command the summoner gives them no matter what it is, and I think if the summoner dies the bodies would just turn to dust.--Deva 27 (talk) 14:55, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I do believe that the Third Hokage said that even if he killed Orochimaru, the First and Second Hokage would simply keep on fighting. --ShounenSuki (talk 15:14, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Even if the caster dies, the revived souls keep on going but it is uncertain if their intentions remain the same after the caster dies.

Sasori
Due to the way the jutsu works is safe to assume that this revived sasor is made of flesh and bones as opposed to a living puppet as he was for most of his later life (his grandmother said he looked just as he did when he left the village and that was many yeras prior to the begining of the story). Does this mean that this Sasori have the memories of only when he was a living human? or does he retain his memories as a living puppet? remeber that after they were brought back both the 1st and 2nd had memories of their time alive and remeber the 3rd. WhiteStrike(talk) 22:24, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * He was still alive even though he was a puppet, so he would still have them.--Deva 27 (talk) 22:31, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

I would imagine that Sasori would be in a flesh based body on account of Edo Tensei's use of another human body to resurrect, and that he retains his Puppet Master Jutsu skills.Dangerwilddan (talk) 02:45, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

cheap!
doesn't the whole "cant be killed be normal means, must have soul removed to destory" take all the fun out of it??? whats the chance masashi well add a "time effect" where the revived return to human flesh? now that half the Akatsuki is back?--Silverblade1 (talk) 03:17, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

We don't know until we see it so we can only guess for now --Petar93 (talk) 04:32, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

Resurrected Growth
Do the resurrected shinobi have the ability to advance their powers now? BlazeUchiha 10:00, April 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * even if they can do it i don't think they will do it on there own i mean if Kabuto is controlling them he will leave them at where their stats are (simple: Kabuto won't want that)


 * The answer to this question is unknown as no summoned person has been around long enough for try however it is doubtful that they can; being dead and all. ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 14:54, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * As stated below it's like the Trap technique used against Team Gai when trying to break into the Akatsuki hideout: the resurrected probably have a set amount of chakra, which never drops- they have unlimited physical stamina, too, like puppets. However, they probably are also unable to become stronger, which is only fair seeing as they can't grow weaker or become tired. Plus they are dead, and return to life with the powers they had at the time of their death, including their kekkei genkai. So, it's very likely that however strong they were when they died is their total potential. 66.165.170.254 (talk) 14:44, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Just throwing this out there to add to what many are overlooking...it could be Danzo (although not likely because Madara may not be so surprised to see him since he fought him). It could be Hanzou, which would cause some surprise i believe...or worse (in my opinion) it could be Jiraiya...which would be pretty messed up.

but when madara saw the las casquet he said "you bastard... . Where did you get that?" and since the soul is everything you need to perform the jutsu, it's most likely someone who's soul is sealed or destroyed even though only orochimaru and first and second hokage come to my mind81.10.220.248 (talk) 13:53, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

I personally figured it would either be 1) Sage of Six Paths, or 2) Madara by some strange twist. Since other than the 1st hokage, theres no1 other than the Sage that would scare him, and if it was Madara that was resurrected, it'd kinda throw some real kinks into his "i'm madara" stuff, lol.--SkyFlicker (talk) 04:25, May 22, 2010 (UTC) It could also be his brother--Endomarru (talk) 02:07, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Are the Resurrected Weaker?
I've often seen people say that those ressurected don't retain their full power. I somewhat agree with it because I doubt that Hiruzen, even though he's stated to be the "God of all Shinobi", would be able to beat both Hashirama (who has also been stated as the strongest Hokage along with Minato and Hiruzen) and Tobirama at the height of their power. I haven't seen it officially confirmed, but I could've missed it. Anyone? Skitts (talk) 18:12, July 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Some might call wound regeneration stronger, not weaker. ~SnapperTo 18:36, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Also, i wanted to know if their chakra levels could be depleted like normal people. Or if they have an infinite supply of chakra.Neji of the gentle fist (talk) 20:58, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * If their chakra is available than it must be tied to their souls, but since the souls cannot be destroyed I "think" that the chakra level does not drop. One other thing, one person once said that the shinobi of that time were weaker than the modern ones, and the 1st and 2nd showed no signs of tiring in the manga despite the high-level jutsu they were performing. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 22:35, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't remember if this line was anime-only, but Hiruzen said something like "they are as strong as ever". With that in mind, I would say this is similar to Mirrored Sudden Attacker Technique, they have a fixed amount of chakra, which doesn't drop. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:06, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

I couldn't find any mention of Hiruzen saying they were at the same strength (at least in the manga), the closest thing was this http://onemanga.com/naruto/119/15 It could have been a mistranslation of course but that's all I could find, maybe it was said in the anime. @snapper I know that wound regeneration is a plus >_> What I was saying was that they didn't seem to be as powerful as they could have been, or at least said to have been. Not sure if that (if true) was the techniques doing or Orochimaru's (why he'd do that I'm not sure, unless he himself wanted to kill Hiruzen) *rant rant*
 * What about the 2nd using high level water jutsu attacks on dry land? That would require a lot of ability and power as well. Also, the wood jutsu the 1st used, breaking right through the building they are on and through the Earth Wall, would Yamato be capable of that (and yes we know his genes are not as strong, but it serves as a basis to start at)? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 17:16, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, they may be stronger for another reason. When Kabuto summoned Nagato and Itachi, they were fine. Nagato's article mentions how he was able to walk unhindered, and Itachi should not be weakened by his sickness since they technically have no bodies. Thus Nagato is now mobile and Itachi will not break down coughing blood as readily. Moreover, as long as no drop in chakra, they should not tire, so they will be able to outlast their opponents. I admit of course that the 1st and 2nd did not fight long enough to begin to show signs of becoming tired. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 17:45, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't say they didn't display great power, but that they didn't seem as powerful as they were said to have been. On the note of Nagato and Itachi, that would be  a plus for Itachi, no terminal illness and deteriorating eyesight, but Nagato was more formmidable as the 6 Paths (assuming he can't use the technique in his ressurected state) so that might not help him so much. It might be as Omni said, maybe they have a set amount of chakra so they were unable to use their strongest techs, similar to those under the effect of Nagato's Shapeshifting Technique. Heh, then the resurrected Nagato will bring Kabuto back to life if he dies xP jk. Skitts (talk) 20:16, July 6, 2010 (UTC)

Never said they wouldn't be able to use their stronger techniques. You should also remember that Orochimaru wiped their minds, so they were greatly restricted by that. They weren't ninja at that point, they were mindless tools. They had no autonomy whatsoever. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:58, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is that a bad thing? They become true ninja that way. Moreover, Nagato was forced to use the 6 paths since he could not walk. Now he can, and with all of the abilities inside of him. This does make it easier to surprise him, but his offensive ability will be greater and with the Pains there were certain ways to deal with them and their abilities; not so much now. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 04:34, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

How??
Am I right in saying that the soul of the user of the Four Symbols Seal is sealed within the death god's stomach. If so how was Minato's soul used by Orochimaru just before his fight against the 3rd (in the 3rd coffin marked 'Four')? Bladeedalb (talk) 18:57, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * You dont' know if it were Minato. And even if in the anime every sign indicates Minato, remember one thing, in the manga there were only 2 coffins, not 3. So at most the third coffin was a mistake, or something to give more "momento" to the scene. L Mars (talk) 19:02, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

3rd hokage
The 3rd stopped this jutsu? How? Was it just the shuriken or some sort of earth technique.Neji of the gentle fist (talk) 22:44, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Shuriken. Which the Third threw. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:57, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actually, the Third himself didn't even quite understand how he stopped the third coffin, or even if he did so at all. --ShounenSuki (talk 09:47, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * That was Anime filler, and fillers are nonsense 212.52.37.124 (talk) 16:02, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

All Hokage
the first(revived),second(revived),third(alive),fourth(physically revived) see what I did there?Awesomerocker (talk) 15:46, July 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * That was Anime filler, and fillers are nonsense

Well the 3rd didn't actually stop it, the jutsu itself failed as, Manito's soul wasn't in the pure world.Elvesyou--JS 01:28, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Image
When the anime catches up with the current arc, can we replace, or just simply add the image of Kabuto's resurrected Akatsuki members? Even though Orochimaru summoning two Hokage is a good image, I think Kabuto's use would be a good portrayal of the technique. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:24, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Too little chakra used
Dosen't it seem that an S-rank technique like this, which literally brings people back to life dosen't take as much chakra as you'd expect, Orochimaru summoned the first and second hokage without so much as taking an extra breath and more over kabuto summons six caskets and is not fatigued in the slightest.Kamakazi janabi (talk) 22:58, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

there goes..but we should know if the summoner is who control the those 5 casket.. would it be hard enough to control with 5 different people and attack..?including himself is six ... soo

He probably just summoned the caskets at the moment and had them ready before

We have to think about who we're dealing with here. This is Orochimaru, one of the Three Legendary Sannin. He is an S-Rank shinobi so he has to have a high surplus of chakra. And in Kabuto's case, he has part of Orochimaru's soul inside him which appears to give Kabuto access to his power(displayed in Snake Kuchiyose no Jutsu such as Manda).Dangerwilddan (talk) 02:51, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

A few questions...
Can the resurrected move while they are revived? If so why don't they ever resist being bound.--Endomarru (talk) 02:19, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * The summoner has control over their movements and can override their free will. Even if they could resist, it would probably be useless. —ShounenSuki (talk 13:40, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * What if the summoner doesn't have time to place the tags on them before they start resisting? Bruxacosmica Talk 21:48, October 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that the summoner already has control over them from the moment they are summoned. —ShounenSuki (talk 22:06, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Than what's the point of the seal?--Endomarru (talk) 22:34, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't know, really. At first, I thought the fuda removed the personality and free will of the summon, but that doesn't fit with the summons already obeying orders — or at least not resisting — before the fuda are put inside them.
 * As it is now, all the fuda seems to do is make the summon look more lifelike. Perhaps it makes the controlling easier and/or permanently attaches the soul to the body, making it stronger. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:47, October 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a guess, but it seems like before the fuda they are at 0% initiative, more like a puppet controlled completely by the summoner. I think they become self aware after the tag (looking more "alive" as a visual cue), and must have there free will suppressed at this time. Orochimaru took more free will with his fuda tag, while Kabuto took less. Arrancar79 (talk) 21:14, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

But Deidarra was able to make a C1 owl without the tag...--24.196.36.22 (talk) 19:46, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

"Alive" status
Seeing as the six Kabuto resurrected, or at least Deidara, have some free-will and the ability to think, they would technically be alive Fangzntalonz (talk) 02:20, October 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * A thinking corpse is still a corpse. Technically, they'd all be undead. But we don't use that distinction--TheUltimate3~The User King~ 02:24, October 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Besides, Kabuto is still ultimately in control and can probably cancel the technique in a heartbeat. In the end, they are nothing more than puppets. —ShounenSuki (talk 13:39, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Granted they are not alive, but they are active. Would it be possible to have ressurected in the info box. like for Deidara its 19 (deceased), it could be 19 (deceased, ressurected)

Since it has to apply for any part of the series, it would fit in. I think. SharinganMike (talk) 14:00, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Withdrawl
Doesn't Deidara get put back in his casket after Kabuto decides to leave? Is that a part of this jutsu (recalling the body)? and if so, shouldn't we add it? DemonFoxsCloak (talk) 02:08, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

The Resurrected
Should we make a list of those resurrected?Fangzntalonz (talk) 01:38, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

question above? yes someone should make a list, even thougth it sucks that predictable people got revived, I'm sure there were other stronger and more famous shinobies who died, they shoudl at least come up with a few random newones so it seems more credible and not cheap

Living again?
alright so i know it would be kind of repetitive, but there are alot of characters i like on naruto that have been revived by kabuto. so if kabuto dies, will yugito nii, sasori, itachi, and a few other people who were revived get their lives back? like will they be able to go live their lives again? like say if asuma is revived, can he go back to kurenai and take care of his kid? - ĶЄʌîΏ


 * Nope once a character is dead, he or she is dead. KiumaruHamachi (talk) 00:19, November 4, 2010 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

that in no way answered my question im not talking about their use in the plot line im talking about the jutsu in general. like say if yugito nii were revived, and kabuto died before anyone could destroy her, would she still have body and soul and be able to go and live in her village again? since its her soul and since kabuto perfected it HER body, as well as her own free will, doesnt that make her alive again? so cant she just go back to her own village after kabuto is inevitably killed? --ĶЄʌîΏ (talk) 23:21, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

List Request
After Naruto #515, most people are coming to this article to find out exactly WHO is being revived using this technique. (Especially during the 4th Shinobi War).

What I'm saying is, the Impure World Resurrection page needs is a list of all the people who have been revived by the jutsu. The list should include links to the article of those who are being revived... for example Asuma Sarutobi.

I know a lot of people who would be very interested in this type of edit. Unfortunately, since I don't know the protocols of this wikia, I'm not the best person for the job. --12.42.132.69 (talk) 20:40, November 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree let's do that since others who read 515 will just come to see how was revived.--KiumaruHamachi (talk) 21:35, November 4, 2010 (UTC) KiumaruHamachi


 * It would be simpler to use semantics, especially since new characters will be revealed as time goes on. To use semantics, however, there needs to be a word to use for the revived. Are they ever given a particular designation in the series? Maybe during Third vs. Orochimaru? ~SnapperTo 22:33, November 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * They have never given a more specific name than 'deceased'. If we're going to do this semantically — and I personally don't really see why everything should be done with semantics; it has brought as much problems as it has convenience — perhaps it would be best to classify everyone revived by a tensei ninjutsu as 'resurrected' with tags indicating what technique was used to resurrect them. —ShounenSuki (talk 22:45, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see where your going with this Sho. So it'll be like this:

Age: Resurrected KiumaruHamachi (talk) 22:51, November 4, 2010 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 * So what'll happen when they die again? it seems like a lot of work just for the fact that they were resurrected. Maybe it would be better to have a list of people on the page that have been resurrected by this technique.--Cerez365 (talk) 22:55, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Semantics means things don't need to be updated in multiple places; for example, when a character uses a jutsu, only the jutsu page needs editing and not the character's infobox too. Semantics also allows narrowing results; for example, only listing "resurrected" of a particular village, rank, or some other arbitrary classification. Some semantic short cuts are better than others; I'm not a huge fan of the parent way of creating familial relationships because of the delay in updating, though it seems to be faster now than it once was. ~SnapperTo 22:57, November 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Now I'm confused. KiumaruHamachi (talk) 23:03, November 4, 2010 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

Can't we simply copy the list of deaths from the plot page, paste it here and change the sections accordingly? Coding does wonders when listing stuff in multiple articles and infoboxes, but this is one page. How much stuff can there go in the box? Put just what is strictly necessary. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:09, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps a new search value "Resurrected", and leave a link to the list of characters in the article? Arrancar79 (talk) 01:23, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Just one slight mistake, someone just editing the kabuto's list failed to notice there is Shin and Sai's borther listed which is actually the same person. So if someone would be nice enough to correct it :)--FlameSkarr (talk) 13:19, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Unknown Casket
Do you guys remember when Kabuto first spoke to Madara about joining the war. He summoned the deceased Akatsuki as a demonstration of power and Madara responded "You came prepared." In that little exchange, Kabuto actually summoned one more casket to which Madara responded with surprise and said "Where did you get that?!" Although the contents of that Casket were not shown, should we not add it to the list? I mean, even though there's no image of who's in the casket, that person is technically a resurrected.--Daleadil (talk) 19:04, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * And what exactly would you put for the description? "Unknown person and or thing that was summoned but we're not sure because Madara's head was blocking the frame when we were shown the frontal view"? It's honestly a waste of time to have to edit that in and then probably create a page for the person to link to it. Just wait until it's revealed if at all. Also sing your post with four (~) --Cerez365 (talk) 19:01, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Post signed. Sorry about that. Maybe we could put that tidbit in the trivia section? --Daleadil (talk) 19:04, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems like the proper thing to do for now, though let's wait to see what others have to say. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:14, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Trivia section sounds good if you get the go ahead then go ahead--Cerez365 (talk) 19:22, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I added it to the trivia section. Requesting proof-read. My grammar seems shaky. --Daleadil (talk) 20:11, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Dead Demon Consuming Seal
can people who die by Dead Demon Consuming Seal be resurrected? i cant remember if i read thats or if i just assume itTwinRisingDragons (talk) 02:51, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * That is basically an educated guess, really. The only thing that point to this that has ever been revealed in the manga or databooks is that the people sealed within the Shinigami are supposedly sealed for all eternity, never to see the light of day again. There is also some circumstantial evidence, like Orochimaru's third coffin failing and Kabuto not summoning the previous Hokage, but there is nothing actually conclusive. —ShounenSuki (talk 03:07, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

i believed it because of the dialect between the first 3 hokage because the third seemed convinced that this would lead to this not happing to them again. and even tho the anime showed a third coffin that said 4 i doubt it was the 4th. it wasn't in the manga plus feel their souls are already bound up. personally i dont think its a coincident that 4 of the best ninja are not resurrected.TwinRisingDragons (talk) 03:26, November 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I will note that Orochimaru didn't likely know that Minato's soul was sealed, so he may have tried without knowing it wouldn't work. ZeroSD (talk) 19:51, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

From how the jutsu is described, it grabs the soul from the afterlife and places it inside a sacrifice, giving them the ability to exist in the living world. As it grabs souls from the afterlife, it's safe to assume it can't from anywhere else. The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and in a way 4th, Hokage's souls are all in the reaper's stomach, not in the afterlife. Therefor, does not enable them to be resurrected by this jutsu. The 4th did appear inside of Naruto's realm, but he explained it was because he placed some of his own chakra, as well as some of his spirit, into the seal as well to watch over it. The rest of him would be with the Reaper. In conclusion, logically, it's safe to assume this jutsu can only revive those whose soul's exist in the afterlife. --Lyani (talk) 07:30, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would like to modify your theory a little bit on the Dead Consuming seal and its interaction with the Summoning: Impure world technique. I believe that the souls sealed by the Dead Consuming seal are just simply 'chained' to the pure world(afterlife). The Summoning: Impure world technique can't drag these souls back to the world of the living (impure) because of this 'chaining' process with the seal. I came across this reasoning after re-watching the Naruto TV series (especially the fight scene with 3rd Hokage and Orochimaru, sorry forgot exact episode) and several points in the manga. For example, Kushina mentioned to Naruto that she was going to meet with Minato; this statement if true would mean these souls are able to move around in this pure world after being sealed by the Dead Consuming seal but are simply chained or sealed within this pure world, that is my theory on what happens to the souls. I would also like to see a discussion on what happens to the souls when they are in the pure world in relation to the Dead consuming seal and the Summoning: Impure world technique. Are these souls, that are sealed using the Dead Consuming seal, actually separate from the pure world or are they 'chained' to the pure world? The conclusion to our discussions could be placed in the trivia of either the Dead consuming or Summoning:impure world articles to be duly noted. --Alastar 89 (talk) 00:10, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

No body left
Anyone notice after Shin turn into dust there was no body
 * As far as I remember, the pile wasn't shown, just Shin falling apart, so the sacrifice was just cut from the view. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 21:02, November 25, 2010 (UTC)

even if the body was shown, Shin was blown up by Deidara, so when he turned to ash, it is possible that the secrificed body was blown up, and when the jutsu was broken, there was nothing left of it. Just a thought. SharinganMike (talk) 14:03, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * it was a half frame. Wait until next week before you begin speculating when it might be shown in full--Cerez365 (talk) 14:28, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Resurrected Table Addition?
Perhaps we could add a 4th column to the resurrected table stating the CURRENT STATUS of the current resurrected. Possible statuses include the following: Released (as in Shin), Captured (as in Deidara and Sasori), Active, and Unsummoned (if Kabuto decides to unsummon them). Any thoughts? Ammendments? --Daleadil (talk) 18:05, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it's an unnecessary addition. I'll only add more stuff without it being really important. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:24, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Eyes
When Orochimaru summoned the two Hokage, their eyes appeared featureless and white (at least in the manga), and then, once he disabled their personalities, they gained dark whites and blank pupils. Kabuto's summons' eyes however have dark whites and pupils that appear normal regardless of his level of control over them. Is it an inconsistency, or is it too small to be noteworthy? --Kiadony (talk) 18:27, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't believe it's that noteworthy. Kishimoto-sensei's art style simply changed over the years. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:45, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Kabuto did say he perfected the technique when compared to its previous users...maybe the change to the technique changed the appearance of the summoned? --Alastar 89 (talk) 00:15, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Is it true.
Is it true that emotional distress or closer is a valid way of breaking SIWR because if so I think that its seems like a loop hole. I hate when people ask alot of question ,but is their any other way Shin and the other were just let go by accident could it be kabuto felt they did what he needed them to do or maybe he couldn't hold on to them with so many to control. It makes no since. The last time we saw this jutsu used it seems and i emphasize seems like this flaw was not an issue it seems Orochimaru had a stronger hold on the hokage. They saw the third who they taught become hokage they saw the village standing tall after their deaths seems like they would have closer to me. So is emotional closer really a alkalies heel or just a coincident?TwinRisingDragons (talk) 06:08, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * As much as I disliked the way Shin went out, there is a somewhat acceptable explanation. Before they went off to war, Kabuto explained that he really had too many summons to control properly. Combine this with the fact the summons were allowed to keep their personalities, and it doesn't seem unreasonable that a sudden burst of intense emotions could release them. Hopefully, the next chapter will give us Kabuto's reaction to losing Shin. —ShounenSuki (talk 15:23, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Much more acceptable explanation IMO but it took many assumptions to arrive at it. For sure, waiting is the best option. If in doubt, go with what you know. So, for now, it's enough to say that it was closure that did it.--Daleadil (talk) 18:42, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

The Reason for Their Summoning
Hey everybody, I'm new to Narutopedia, and I'm a big fan. I removed the quotes around "Famous" for 'reason for resurrection' just because there is no need to put quotes around this. Indeed shinobi like Hanzo, Chiyo, etc. were famous and powerful, so what's the need to put that in quotations? There isn't anything ambiguous about that reason for why Kabuto summoned them.

Secondly, Tobirama and Hashirama Senju were summoned because they were Kages, not necessarily because they were Kage of Konoha, aka Hokages. So just as it was 'Kage' for the others (expl Yagura), I put that for Tobirama and Hashirama as well


 * Orochimaru summons the Hokages, specified for being masters of the Third Hokage. But I agree with you regarding quotes. -- Leodix - My Talk - Contributions 04:41, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Would it be fair to replace "Famous" with Kekkei Genkai for Haku, Gari, Pakura, etc.? Arrancar79 (talk) 03:08, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Am I just crazy, or is "famous" a pathetic reason for resurrecting someone? They were not resurrected because they were famous, or because they were former Hokage. They were resurrected to fight in a war, or to fight the Third Hokage. But under the "reason for resurrection" place, it just says "famous" or something stupid like that. So, can someone put the actual reason for their resurrection? Some already say it, like "blackmailing Madara", or "demonstration for Madara". I would do it myself, but I haven't actually read that far in the manga lol, and I'm not going to skip 100+ chapters.ZPRN (talk) 20:25, January 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * They were selected to fight in the war *because* they were famed for their skill. All of the above, Akatsuki, jinchuuriki, Kage, and 'famous' were ultimately there to fight in the war, but the reason why they, and not someone else, got resurrected to fight, is they were famous ninja, at least judging by what Kabuto said when he unveiled them.
 * They have the mission of 'war,' to the almost very last (there's the one, sole, singular 'blackmail Madara' one, and then another done just as a demo ((who's going to fight in the war anyway)), but only that), so the 'reasons summoned' are just why they were the ones picked for the war.ZeroSD (talk) 20:41, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * "Shinobi who made a name for themselves" is the reason Kabuto gave when most Edo golems were revealed. He lists Akatsuki, showing the five we already knew; former jinchūriki, showing the latest hosts for tailed beasts Akatsuki has except for Gaara, due to obvious reasons; former Kage, showing three people, two we know who are, the third we have no idea; and he uses the description I gave above to the others. The blackmail body was something he showed before that, and he didn't chose to bring back Torune, he was a demonstration. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:50, January 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * You could probably make a successful argument that the 6/7 Swordsmen were revived more to get the old gang back together than because of their fame, but "fame" is the reason given for all of the others. In regards to the above suggestion that the reason for their fame be given instead (ie. kekkei genkai): that might be useful for a fourth column, but there could be a number of reasons for being famous, not all of which are directly because of their abilities. ~SnapperTo 20:50, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Sacrifices
Do we consider Fū as deceased already, or only when Edo-Torune is defeated? I think we should consider Fū as deceased already, because they always refer to them as sacrifices, meaning they die when they're used to bind another's soul. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:27, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed.--Deva 27 (talk) 01:30, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fu does need to be alive for the technique to work. ~SnapperTo 01:40, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * For the binding of the soul, yes, but is he still alive after that? If Kabuto simply released the technique, would Fu still be alive? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:50, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't know. But what was seen during the Invasion of Konoha, once Hurizen removed the souls of the first two hokages, Kin and Zaku were shown to have been killed by this technique. --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 02:43, December 10, 2010 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

Requirements and Risks
As of the latest chapter, Kabuto reveals all the requiriments (the soul must be in the afterlife : it needs DNA of the user) and the risks (there is no risk)--BGMaxie (talk) 01:41, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

minato confirmed
this weeks chapter confirmed that the third coffin orochimaru summoned was minato. now thats setteled no more talking about it chapter 520.

WRONG! It proved that Orochimaru TRIED to summon him but failed because his soul is in the death god's stomach. Besides, that was anime filler. It did not happen in the manga. HellBlade (talk) 06:40, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Orochimaru tried to summon him in the manga as well, but the coffin was never shown. And Kabuto stated it in the manga that it was Minato. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 06:45, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Jacce beat me to it, but he's right. It WAS Minato he tried to summon. So that also means that no move of Hiruzen Sarutobi could have dispelled the summoning of the coffin, right?
 * Yup. The technique neutralizer used by Hiruzen was just a translation mistake. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 06:51, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * It might be some move might've been able to interrupt the process, I wouldn't make an absolute statement that no move could, it's just in this specific case the problem was on the summonee side of things. ZeroSD (talk) 07:23, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the Third Hokage does try and stop the third coffin in the manga, although even he is surprised when the coffin actually fails to come up. —ShounenSuki (talk 11:01, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * To put it simply, in the manga, the Third Hokage anticipates that Orochimaru would try to summon the Fourth based on the numbers on the other two coffins, however a third coffin is never actually summoned, and the Third assumes it must have failed. The anime version was 'Jossed' by Kabuto's official canon explanation, along with a few other filler things in recent chapters. 66.220.139.96 (talk) 03:38, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

AHA!
There are no risks to the user. Chakra is a risk too, right? So does this mean the living sacrifice's chakra AND body is used to fuel this technique? This essentialy means that this jutsu is the ultimate jutsu as there is no risk to the user whatsoever. Should this be mentioned in the page?? Someone answer. This is ESSENTIAL to the page, in my opinion at least!


 * Chakra is not a "risk" in most circumstances. There's no reason to think Kabuto's statement means anything other than it having no jutsu-specific risks. ZeroSD (talk) 07:25, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Please add references
If you add to the article, please add references as well. It helps other contributors double check work and lends credibility to your edits. Thanks. --Daleadil (talk) 13:51, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

A few things that came to mind;
Is it worth noting that the user apparently isn't aware of when one of the Edo Tensei summons are defeated unless the user actually see's it? Kabuto didn't seem to notice Shin and Sasori just disappearing from whatever control he had over them... And even though he let his summons keep most of their freewill it was mentioned doing so is more demanding on him which would require more conencentration which would mean him keeping closer tabs on them? Or maybe he kept it to himself so Madara wasn't aware they were being taken down? Just a thought, seemd odd to me that he had no response to it...

And how the f**k did Kabuto manage to get a single drop of Deidara's DNA after he condensed into a sphere and exploded, taking a 10 kilometer radius with him?

Theres alot of talk about that 6th coffin that made Madara freak being the Sage of the Six paths, but Kabuto said he ran into trouble/failure gathering DNA of the people he summoned/tried to summon for the war, and most of those had been dead for a few decades or so. The sage was hundreds, maybe thousands of years old, how would he get enough DNA to summon the sage? My guess is its his brother. They trained together so he'd know Madara's attacks and their weaknesses and how to counter them. Yeah Madara would end the fight the victor, but he's getting messed up along the way. Again, just a thought, but it made sense to me


 * Has it ever occured to you that the explosion that Deidara created was tinged with his chakra? Manda was fried, right? Maybe when he got manda's flesh, a bit of Dei-Dei's chakra was on it. As for Izuna being revived. Madara - Eternal Mangekyo +Rinnegan. Izuna - one Mangekyo. who wins?? Madara!

Chakra is energy, and while it changes from person to person, it isn't DNA. DNA is matter, not energy. People in the real world can do DNA analysis from skeletons which are ~10.000 years old, if ninjas can do genetic manipulation, I think the biggest issue is finding the remains. Everyone's first thought was Izuna, not just yours. The Rinnegan can only resurrect people if they're recently deceased, so unless you're saying Madara is way better at using the eye than Nagato was, you're out of luck. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:31, December 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * what you say is true, Omni. but we're taliking about madara, a smart dude who probably knows how to use the Rinnegan thanks to his experience in the ninja world, right? Even so, I wasn't suggesting that madara's rinnegan pwns all. I'm just trying to state that Izuna is too damn weak to face against someone who has so many jutsu at his disposal.


 * I already said Madara would win, I dont think anyone's arguing that. Im just saying Izuna and Madara were both praised as incredible powerful and nearly equal, Izuna would have some knowledge of Madara's own jutsu and give deal Madara a fair amount of damage which would be a good choice of person to threaten Madara with. Omni, looking back at the chapter where Kabuto summoned the 6th coffin, Madara's reaction would suggest something out of this world like the Sage was in the coffin, and yes there is DNA on a 10,000 year old corpse, but would there be enough to use Edo Tensei? Kabuto practically smeared Torune across that scroll to revive him. Not to mention some people like Kakashi believe the sage to be mere myth so whatever was left of him wouldn't be easy to come across.

Just because Kabuto might be able to use very little DNA to successfully perform the technique, it doesn't mean he shouldn't use plenty of it if he can. We know Kabuto and Orochimaru have been spying on Madara, there's a lot they could have learned. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:53, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

I read the earlier comment on the sixth coffin, instead of izuna being in the coffin, can't it be that izuna is tobi and madara was in the coffin? Somehow I believe madara died fighting madara and izuna is seeking vengeance for the same, as far as it seems there has been no mention of powers of either izuna and madara. So identifying them is quite an ordeal,alo the tsuchikage doubted that tobi is madara, due to his covert actions. (tsuchikage is supposed to be the only living shinobi who fought madara, it gotta mean something!)忍 23 18:20, December 11, 2010 (UTC)Jaiswalsanket忍 23 18:20, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

Madara died fighting Madara? Isn't that a bit of a paradox?

Remains
Well, we all see the summoner needs DNA samples from the person to be revived. There are a lot of people whose remains could be collected, but there are some others I consider... impossible. Examples?


 * 1) Deidara: he used C0, so there couldn't be any remains of him.
 * 2) Sasori: he was a puppet. But there could be a possibility of Kabuto finding his real body somewhere.
 * 3) Kakuzu: wasn't he in Konoha's autopsy??? And wasn't this place destroyed by Pain???
 * 4) Hanzō: Nagato killed him, his family and everyone associated to him. Could really his body be found somewhere?
 * 5) Asuma, Hizashi, Shin and Dan: how??? Konoha was destroyed along with the cemetery.

I hope this all will be explained --Rubião December 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Some might have been taken before death. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 12:23, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Kabuto inherited all of Orochimaru's experiments and belongings in a way and Orochimaru was known to have collected DNA from people he deemed interesting. Orochimaru had plenty of time and opportunities to collect the DNA of the people you listed. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:40, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

I agree completely with the Deidara example. Sasori's pupper body had his human heart and so the DNA could be from that. It was just left laying around and the same way Kankuro managed to get his puppet body, someone could just as easily come across his heart. Kakuzu's, Asuma's and Hanzo's DNA could be all over the place their last fights took place. We dont know what Pain did with Hanzo's body. You just gotta remember Kabuto's a pretty sneaky and creepy guy and was obviously preparing for his mass revival and admitted alot of it came down to grave robbing, he'd probably snuck around and stolen some DNA and perhaps did so before Konoha got ruined.
 * All of your examples can be explained easily. Deidara lost an arm fighting the Kazekage. Sasori's core was left on the battle field after he was defeated. Kakuza WAS in the autopsy room, but Kabuto is a shinobi who was once a medical-nin for Konoha. He probably knew that autopsy room like the back of his hand, and being a shinobi, he easily snuck in and took his DNA. Hanzo was killed, not decimated. Kabut probably infiltrated the hidden rain village. I mean, jiraiya infiltrated it, madara infiltrated it, and so could kabuto. As for Asuma, Hizashi, Shin, and Dan... he robbed their graves and did so from underground so no one on the surface knew about it. --Daleadil (talk) 05:52, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Keep in mind that DNA can be obtained before or after death, and is stored in just about every part of the body. As stated, Orochimaru collected genetic samples of shinobi for his experiments, and Kabuto was also involved heavily in Orochimaru's medical and genetic experiments. On top of that, Kabuto is already well established as a collector of bodies and ninja data -- he's got a scroll filled with sealed corpses for use with his techniques, and he worked as a spy for years, gathering information on all the up-and-coming ninja with his ninja info cards during the Chuunin exams. And he was essentially a member of Akatsuki, working for Sasori. If he's had so many opportunities to gather DNA in his everyday life, just imagine what he does in his free time.

"Release" Hand Seals.
Are we sure these are the correct symbols? Kabuto looked like he was being sly. Why would he tell Madara that, if he could of just told other lies. He's very convincing. It could be a trap for Madara? SusanooUnleashed (talk) 03:42, December 16, 2010 (UTC) Why lie, if Madra used his Sharingan to make him release the jutsu, wouldn't he be compelled to release it in the proper way? Arrancar79 (talk) 03:48, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Kabuto instructed him on the "right" hand seals though. And told Madara he wasn't brave enough to lie to him or whatever. So Madara might follow the instructions, and fall into a trap. And when he was leaving he said something about learning about the Sage. He would need Madara wouldn't he? The Rinnegan, 1st Hokages bloodline, Sharingan. SusanooUnleashed (talk) 03:54, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Last Words
In a quote, would a revived person's final words before dying a second time be considered their last words or their final words before their first death?--Acunamatata4619 (talk) 22:39, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good question. It depends on the situation. With the Edo Tensei summons, the final words would be the ones spoken before their first, true death. With Gaara and Kakashi, their final words would be those spoken once they die for real. —ShounenSuki (talk 01:00, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

"Victims"
"victims of the Dead Demon Consuming Seal, for example, cannot be resurrected". Im not arguing that those sealed with it like the first 4 Hokages can be ressurected, but how do we know all VICTIMS of it can't be? Say someone had just their arms sealed like Orochimaru did, then died normally. Couldn't the part of their soul that died normally and went to the pure world be ressurected? Orochimaru managed to live in his body without that part of his soul and he was definately a "victim" of the jutsu. And if his body minus his arms worked, then if someone with part of them sealed was Edo Tensei'd back wouldn't they either be ressurected with no arms or with them not working as they were in life? Granted it'd be kinda pointless to ressurect someone in that state, I just feel that "victims" is too strong and general a word and it should be more along the lines of "souls sealed" cannot be resurected. And yes, I know theres no confirmation that people part-sealed can be ressurected, but theres no confirmation that they can't either.
 * Orochimaru is not a very good case study for this, because every time he used Living Corpse Reincarnation, he would regain use of whatever body part he lost to that seal, he could use his arms after changing bodies despite the arm's souls being sealed. Plus, he's not in the pure world, he was sealed with Susanno, by Itachi. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:09, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible when he jumps bodies he also takes the victims souls as well, meaning that the arms that were sealed awa got replaced once Oro jumped into a new vassal.Umishiru (talk) 20:54, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * He implies so just before he takes over Gen'ryumaru. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:57, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't using Orochimaru as an example for the resurrection, I was only using his injury by the Dead Demon Consuming Seal as an example.

I had a thought along these very lines. To perform the technique correctly, the soul of the intended target needs to reside within the pure world, but the body is made from a sacrifice with earth and dust, is it possible that Orochimaru's attempt to summon Minato succeeded, but only in reviving the body. Surely with the DNA of the Fourth he could easily ressurect the body, but without the soul the jutsu would not be considered complete? Without the soul, the personality, the revived person would not be able to form tactics, or jutsu like the original, but with the body alone youd have something physically capable of doing everything the deceased could, just without the experience or will of the original. To put this into practical terms as to why Orochimaru may not have noticed. Upon summoning Minato the first time, he may of thought the jutsu was complete, but when summoning him against Hiruzen it failed because he was unaware that the ressurection of the Fourth failed from the beginning? --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 04:50, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

@Hawkeye2701, No Orochimaru summoning Minato was anime only most likely before they revealed in the manga that the fourth's soul was sealed. In the manga Orochimaru only summoned the first and second hokages, Hiruzen didn't stop the fourth one from being summoned. --~IamJakuhoRaikoben~ 05:26, December 27, 2010 (UTC)