Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33068632-20180401065752/@comment-7292165-20180419200402

@LoneNinja

The difference between Karui's blunt force punches and Himawari's Gentle Fist is much different. If you don't know, the Gentle Fist users specialise in striking a target's chakra points to restrict them using ninjutsu or genjutsu for that matter. It also otherwise immobolise them if struck with a sufficient amount force to a critical part of the body.

The problem is you only talk about statements, and hardly go say anything about feats. You say we are downplaying Kakashi. No you are hyping him, considering that you deny that the Kakashi in Part I is no different in Part II, minus the Mangekyo. I've stated that Kakashi's battles with several Akatsuki members has given even more battle experience. His overall stamina increased, being capable using techniques much more than he did previously. He has even shown new techniques like Lightning Clone and Lightning Beast Running Jutsu. Like you need Kishi to state it to be true for everything despite the actions in the panels being able to speak for itself.

You try to downplay Naruto and Sasuke as if they are fresh out the Academy students. They have developed quite a bit by the VOTE. I mean even while still a beginner genin, Sasuke could force Kakashi to use both hands, something he complimented him for. Sasuke's has speed practically on par with Lee and his taijutsu increased more as well. Now imagine the boost too with the curse mark. Naruto was able to fight a partial jinchuriki. He can create hundreds of clones. That alone can keep Kakashi pre-occupied. I mean how is he really going to be able to deal with all of them and their collaborative attacks. Naruto in his nine-tales cloak showed very high speed. Naruto in this state is faster than base Guy. Kakashi might've battled Guy who is apparently faster and is a taijutsu master, but Kakashi also had the Sharingan to compensate. Kakashi doesn't have that luxury of using the Sharingan here. Kakashi has lower chakra reserves than them as well, and they have what it takes to prolong the battle. All you want to do spill he without the Sharingan he became Hokage, but don't actually look at feats.

You seem too invested on Kishi, always repeating the same, "Kishi's word is law" and trying dimiss things that were shown in the manga. Kishi has a times overexaggerated things and it is quite clear by what was shown in the manga. Like Kakashi having copied 1000 jutsu or cut a lightning bolt.