Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-45325938-20200329160854/@comment-24824859-20200330115226

Frwt wrote: Well time is needed to create more sage chakra, Minato didn't have much of it, still he admits that he not only needs "too long" to enter SM but he also isn't able to maintain if for long, so even if we give him more time so he has chakra to do more rasengan he'll still not be able to stay in SM for the total lenght of a battle (though it's not clear how much that is) The amount of sage chakra one immediately gets is proportional to their base (or whatever state they were in prior to entering SM) reserve. When alive, Minato was shown summoning Gamabunta, teleporting a TBB, and teleporting 100% Kurama (three very chakra-intensive tasks). As an Edo, he casually teleported the Juubi's gargantuan TBB. So to have enough chakra to do all of that in base and enter perfect SM (which requires the perfectly balancing the base chakra and natural energy) but run out of sage chakra after one use of what is arguably his most chakra-efficient jutsu makes no sense whatsoever. Frwt wrote: For Minato's SM coming out of no were I disagree a bit, cause we know that Minato had toad summon, was Jiraiya's student and Fuksaku could see his imagine as long as Jiraiya when he says that Naruto has surpassed his predecessor in the Pain fight, but just the toad summon should be enough cause the toads don't seem to keep for them the SM, they had all those failed students Minato simply having a summoning contract with the toads is not enough to assume that he learned SM. Naruto learned SM 3 years after forming a summoning contract with the toads. It wasn't until Jiraiya's death that Fukasaku proposed the idea to teach Naruto how to obtain SM. Fukasaku made no mention of Minato during Naruto's SM training despite knowing (IIRC) the latter wants to be Hokage. To add the cherry on top, Minato didn't even mention himself when he saw Naruto use SM and didn't try to enter it in TBM when he saw Naruto do it. Minato having SM definitely came out of no where.

Just to contribute to the main topic, I don't see pre-Hag boost SM Naruto even beating base Minato.