Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36512555-20180814043009/@comment-34194151-20180909062746

1) Minato didn't slow down. you are right, his nose got touched and he was like what, picoseconds away from having his face caved in? In that time he flicked the kunai. Yeah, his hand speed and reaction speed are rediculous, no denying it. But what I'm saying is, against obito, his hand was already moving through obito's head his hand speed backfired. in order to avoid obito's hand, minato needed to be aware of what was going on. His hand was slipping through him, so in that moment he was confused, and obito simply surprised him by materializing again and caught his arm unexpectedly. My point is, surprise can slow down even the yellow flash's reaction time significantly. In order to avoid obito's hand grab, he first needs knowledge on what his opponent was doing, and then he needed the reflexes to move his hand back, despite the fact his hand was already in motion, meaning he needs to generate even more acceleration. That wasn't happening because he was caught off guard, and once his hand was captured, he can't move it anymore is my point. Raikage's fist ramming into his nose is different from obito's hand capturing his hand, restricting further movement. So, minato's only option was FTG at that point, but why would he FTG in that moment when one, he was still a little surprised, and two, an arm grab isn't anywhere near as threatening as being picoseconds from having your face caved in? the reason I am skeptical of the feat is that, when we account for minato finally getting a full grasp on kamui, we see obito get an opportunity to use his full running speed + hand speed on minato, but to me it seems like minato had the clash planned out. Minato knew he needed to be sure that obito was gonna be materialized. what's the best way? make obito be like picoseconds away from touching him, and convince him he is about to win. After that, obito couldn't mentally react, much less physically. Minato wasn't pressured by obito's top speed+ hand speed under neutral conditions, the same way he wasn't pressured by raikage's hand speed or top speed. I barely see a difference, except for the fact that minato couldn't afford to showboat on obito because one, he was on a time limit, and two, obito has an ultimate defense that activates at the speed of thought. So I find it hard to conclude that obito did any better than raikage just from that.

2) I'll try to convey my logic differently. Look at the obito situation. in the final clash, the kunai is inches behind obito's head, and that kunai, keep in mind, is moving really fast, as it has minato's running speed velocity+ the speed it gained from it being thrown. then notice how when minato rasengans him, obito hasn't made any changes in horizonal movement, and notice how the kunai, which is still in motion, hasn't moved that much either, and then Minato then CATCHES that same speeding kunai. the dude is a monster. The only logical explanation is that FTG lives up to its reputation of being instant, and then minato's own striking speed leaves you with less than picoseconds of reaction time, combine the two, no wonder obito couldn't activate kamui. Obito didn't have time, because minato is simply that fast. It's the same thing with the raikage. You said it yourself, if a second actually passed, then raikage should have been long gone from that kunai, because no kunai can match a top tier speedster. you can see in the next panel the distance between ayy and the kunai increased, minato kunai also can't magically follow someone, so that combined with the lack of movement lines tell me the kunai was hovering after minato flicked it, and gravity didn't have time to start affecting it until the next panel. The only explanation for such a feat is that minato again works with picoseconds. Not surprising in a manga where characters like Deva can react to and evade hypersonic rasenshurikens at point blank range.

3) I just mean to say that there are two types of reaction speed too. In manga like this, you can track and see someone's speed depending on your movement speed, not how it works in real life, but it works like that in the manga. But there is also the fact that ninja also have reaction times we normal humans can't comprehend. Old hiruzen of all people could react to and actually move his body in an attempt to dodge a juubito attack, an entity he has no buisness being in even remotely the same speed tier with lol. he wasn't succesful, but a feat like that shows he isn't getting outright blitzed by the likes of V2 ayy for example. Despite his way inferior speed, he could actually block or parry a punch from v2 ayy. and shunshin speed becomes less effective if you can't knock your opponent back after you close the distance, as your momentum slows down, and then it switches to hand/hand striking speed/ taijutsu skill.