Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-6769189-20180920110347

CombatIQmatters wrote: @Legionzero

Well of course the modes would have differences. Senjutsu chakra reacts with people in different ways. Some people are allergic to peanuts, and some aren't. Same stimulus, different reactions. Jugo's cells have a biological component that reacts with senjutsu chakra in its own way. Naruto and jiraiya are both toad sages but look at the subtle differences between them based on the mastery. Naruto suffered the same adverse effects of improperly balancing natural energy.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Mastery and biology and the specific contract you use to gain sage transformation or sage mode all impact whether you are an actual sage, how it functions, and how it looks. But the source is all the same, nature energy melding with mental and physical energies. Different paths, different changes, different abilities can be involved, but the effect in combat overall is the same, senjutsu enhanced techniques. This is like saying Amenotejikara and FTG are the same because they both are Space-Time and displace the user.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Now, obito and madara gained ridoku senjutsu by absorbing the juubi.Six paths senjutsu comes with the package. The juubi chakra has an inherent component to it that allows the host to use six paths senjutsu chakra, so I liken it to the "contract" you enter by absorbing the juubi. Except multiple characters without the Juubi have had Six Paths Senjutsu. Meaning Juubi chakra isnt necessary, just one way to do it.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Even if hagoromo gave naruto the mode and it doesn't depend on the bijuu at all, you still have to explain why he lacks TSO when he uses the mode without his chakra cloak. I think it's clear that the bijuu chakra inside of naruto was given a special key by hagoromo so that he could recreate the juubi chakra, giving him the same abilities as madara and obito. Obito didnt have TSB when he first transformed even though Juubis SPSM cant be turned off

Active SPS doesnt necesarrily mean TSB are active.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Also, I recall naruto asking shukaku to give him magnet style chakra for his sealing rasengan, and that was while he was specifically using all the bijuu chakra for his cloak. He didnt ask. Shukkaku recommended he specifically use his chakra.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

So it seems that requesting specific bijuu chakra is independent from using their general chakra pool. I also recall he did the same thing when he made the 9 bijuu rasenshuriken against kaguya. He didnt ask then either.

Ruthlessleader wrote:

Or we use occam's razor and come to the simple conclusion that he used his six paths senjutsu to fly. Do you even have any evidence of this burst of chakra thing? Except the Last explicitly shows Naruto using toad Sage Mode. It also explicitly shows that there was no gravity on the moon at the time when he was "flying." Given the observable variables we have confirmation that he wasnt using SPSM and he was in 0 G