Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170924173047/@comment-734582-20170927101424

LegionZero wrote: It wasnt said or shown that they caused harm to the Juubi. Again is why had to seal it. Almost nothing was shown of the fight, only Hagoromo and Hamura apparently sealing the Juubi while standing in what might be a post-apocalyptic battlefield.

We know Biju reincarnate, so even if they killed the Juubi it would just return. Hence, since we aren't shown the battle, it could've been killed a dozen times yet we wouldn't know because we only saw the sealing.

Plus, judging from what Obito did and how Ashura and Indra reincarnate, it seems to me that reincarnation is possible for as long as some part of the being exists in this world. If Hagoromo and Hamura wanted to kill the juubi, they almost certainly would have to kill themselves. The Biju always have other biju or the sealed Gedo as anchors to this world, the same way that Ashura and Indra have their chakra in their descendants and the same way Hagoromo could reincarnate when his power as a Juubi Jin was recreated. LegionZero wrote: Why do you keep equating taking the Juubi's chakra to half its full strength? Hagoromo took all of it, truning its body into statue-like mummified husk. That is at least 80% of its strength. Imagine for a moment that Hagoromo is exactly half as strong as the Juubi. If he gets all it's power, that increases his strength by 2 Hagoromo's worth, or Juubi Jin Hagoromo = Base hagoromo + base hagoromo + base hagoromo. His strength has thus tripled. Which is a lot in absolute terms, but not that much in relative terms. Compare Kurama's chakra to the Juubi, and we're talking about a Juubi with hundreds of not possibly thousands of times as much chakra as Kurama. The jump from Base Obito to Juubito is orders of magnitude greater, than the jump from Base Hagoromo to Juubi Jin hagoromo.

To clarify, these aren't highly precise estimates, just order-of-magnitude ones. Sure the difference between base and juubi jin hagoromo would be perhaps several Narutos worth, but in terms of his own power it's not THAT much more power he gets.