Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-25093611-20151025083927

Prodigy hero wrote: @Minato87 It all depends on how the genjutsu would affect him and how his regen properties would come into play for his recovery but no I don't believe he could defeat six paths Naruto but he would own Jiraiya just like Sasuke who is stronger than Nagato. what has healing power to do with mental-breaking? naruto wont be harmed bodily, he will be tortures for years in the most cruel ways you can imagine until he snaps andfalls into a coma, his healing power (even in the absurd assumption that he becomes completly immortal) wouldnt change anything... Trappedinmygenjutsu wrote: @Greatestsin Itachi might have relatively low chakra reserves but he makes this up with his supreme chakra control. In his last battle against Sasuke (when he was going to die of his illness anyway), Itachi used; Ameterasu several time (covered the mountain area), used Tsukuyomi on Sasuke, cast several different genjutsu in a row against sasuke (including crow clones), fire ball jutsu, and he used Susanoo while he shouldn't of had enough chakra to perform a jutsu (Sasuke's sharingan analysis of Itachi's chakra reserves). Itachi's stamina issues are greatly exaggerated as if a deathly ill Itachi can use all these jutsu, a healthy Itachi would probably be able to use many more. This generally means that Itachi's low chakra reserves were just hyperbole or he is one of the most efficient ninja in the series (due to insane chakra control). he was able to use crow-clones (which need far less chakra than shadow clones), he used taiutsu that doesnt need chakra, than he used genjutsu several times and than tsukuyomi which alrady forced him on his knees, than more taijutsu, than two or so fire jutsus and amaterasu, than susanoo for at most 2 minutes...

lets say itachi can do four-times as much without his illness (which is rather unrealistic since this would mean that his illness took 75% of his strength),

i would still not see him winning, at least not in the majority of the fights, jiraya could easily create vision-shield against amaterasu, his SM-mode would even allow him to sense itachis preparation of using his MS-powers :)

in tiajutsu jiraya has the upper hand since he can use frog-kata (at least he should be able to do it since he trained with the frogs too), in genjutsu he could free himself out of any genjutsu except tsukuyomi, in ninjutsu he will be able to attack with jutsus stronger and more in numbers than itachi (since he has rather huge amount of chakra, he learned SM afterall),

so, in the end of a difficult high-class battle itachi would lose even if only because he had to little chakra ^_^ Prodigy hero wrote: I agree with what you said but that's not his only method is what I'm getting at. i agree that itachi can genjutsu people without eye-contact but tsukuyomi needs it as requirement, and any othr jutsu would easily be dispelled by the frogs on jirayas shoulders :)