Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34277398-20180314193639/@comment-5085906-20180324194154

HeroOfSacrifice wrote: @Ninja of War

There is no stomping going on. Like i said, if he wanted to seal itachi using the death god seal, he could but he would die.

His speed blitz was on par with the 4th Raikage, and the 4th was stopped by Sasuke's Susanoo, who does not even have body flicker to the point as itachi, nor the sword, nor t. How would he even mark Itachi, a genius level ninja, with a instant absolute defense and a mirror that reflects all techniques? Itachi knows how the 4th hokage works fyi.

Sasuke would have died in the fight with the 4th Hokage had it not been for Gaara's timely intervention. The only way he lasted as long as he did was because he possessed Kagutsuchi, a technique which Itachi didn't possess. And also, Itachi's chakra reserves are lower than Sasuke's reserves, meaning he won't be able to use Susanoo as long as him. Remember - Sasuke remarked that Susanoo made every cell in his body hurt and could only wonder how much Itachi may have suffered. That's how chakra-taxing the technique is.

HeroOfSacrifice wrote: Tobi fears itachi, and Amaterasu is just as fast as the hokages flash move. The only reason it does not work on Tobi is because Tobi knows Itachi, while he didn't know the full extent to what the 4th was capable of. Just because he hit Tobi doesn't mean hes all powerful. Tobi is still alive and Minato dead.

How is Amaterasu that fast? Tobi managed to use Kamui on Transcript: Amaterasu to warp it away, and that was at a pretty close distance. Further more, Ay avoided it several times during his battle with Sasuke. Shee remarked that at his top speed, Ay's reflexes were on par with Minato, so we know that speed can be achieved by base Minato in a fight.

HeroOfSacrifice wrote:

A. Itachi knows Minato and his techs, and will instantly use Susano combined with yata mirror for complete and absolute defense. Itachi can also manipulate the Susano to level 2, so he has the huge range over Minato.

B. Itachi has yata mirror, that will reflect Mintao's strongest jutsu, Rasengan

C. Minato has to throw the Kunani around, but before that, Itachi can use Amaterasu (which was only dodged by Tobi and 3rd rag the 2ND time he saw it)

D. Minato does not know that Itachi can cast complete genjutsus by his finger, so using the common pratice that people use against sharingan which is to not look them in the eye, minato will get caught.

A) You're making it look like Minato has never heard of Itachi. Plenty of people in the village had heard of his prowess with the Sharingan and were familiar with his abilities, e.g Kakashi, Danzo. It's not like Itachi would know about the full extent of his abilities either, especially since Tobi didn't and he was his former student.

B) Yata Mirror only works if Itachi can conjure the Susanoo, and as I've argued earlier, he can't do that constantly. He'll have to use it sparingly during the fight. Basically, any of Itachi's big techniques - Amaterasu, Susanoo and Tsukuyomi - are very taxing when it comes to chakra. If he fails at landing a solid hit with any of them, he'll be in massive trouble.

C) Again, Amaterasu is not as fast or as unstoppable as you make it to be. Sasuke found a way around it, Fourth Raikage dodged it, Tobi warped it away at point blank and Jiraiya sealed the flames. For a skilled sensor like Minato who possesses awesome reflexes, anticipating where the flames will be conjured and avoiding them is not gonna be a problem.

D) The finger genjutsu you're referring to is Ephemeral and it's not as strong as you're making it be. Basically, a Part II Chunin-level Sakura was able to dispel its effects on an out-of-focus Naruto with relative ease, so it wouldn't work on Minato. At best, it could serve as a momentary distraction. In terms of genjutsu, the biggest threat Minato has to face is Tsukuyomi, but that requires eye contact and many people knew about its effects. So, it's safe to say Minato would do anything to remain clear from it.

HeroOfSacrifice wrote: How is he incredible at sealing techniques? None was said on Manga nor did he display anything. In fact, Itachi knows a lot more about sealing techs. Hell, itachi can use sword of Totsuka to seal 9 tails.

Also, just because he hit tobi does not mean much. Itachi broke off the control of sage mode kabuto edo tensai, something minato will never be able to do because he is not smart nor skilled as itachi (aka, sealing the crow in Naruto before his death ) Lol, now this is where you lose me. Itachi breaking the control of Kabuto does not make him better than Minato, since 1) He used Shisui's eye to do it and that's a plot contrivance which he doesn't have in this versus battle and 2) The eye's purpose was to turn Sasuke good again and make him an ally of Konoha, so in a sense Itachi's plan, the reason why he put that crow in Naruto, was a failure. Let's not forget Minato did something like that too when he programmed his wife's chakra and his own into the seal in order to help Naruto establish control over Kurama. Both times, the programmed chakra did what it was supposed to do, unlike in Itachi's case. So, we could say Minato beat him even in that aspect.

Though I'd say it'd be best to stick to feats that may help in combat. Their ability to make a successful gambit is telling of their intellect, but it's not an indicator that either of them will be able to make good momentary decisions, which is what matters more in a 1v1 fight.