User talk:Elveonora

Re: in theory
Yes. But if the enourmous use of Izanagi, which also requires Hashi's cells, is a fact, then there's of course the possibility that someone of those Uchiha knew how to use Kotoamatsukami. Either that or Itachi somehow knew it from Danzō. Seelentau 愛議 19:10, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Chapter 658
LOL xD Yeah, I liked those scenes and you know, I hope that the same guy who animated Chibaku Tensei's episode will animate this part as well. Also the last panel of this chapter was really outstanding, he ripped out the poor Zetsu's arm and restored his right eye like nothing. Really amazing... — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 15:25, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Exactly, by the way .... Tomorrow we have an episode which the battle between Naruto and his group vs. Tobi reaches its climax, it'll be an incredible episode, don't miss it. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 15:35, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with every point that you mentioned. It's time for Madara to start dancing with harmonic feeling to revenge. The main question for this chapter is how Madara could activate his Susanoo without his eye? I wonder about that... — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 18:38, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, no medical ninjutsu at all. As I recalled from his statement about Hashirama's ability to heal himself without using any seals. I think that Madara acquired some of those abilities from Hashirama besides gaining the senjutsu. As you know the Sage Mode helps its user to gain his strength so much as stated from Naruto's usage for Rasenshuriken and Kabuto's usage for his White Rage technique. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 15:11, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Obito VA
Glad to agree with me, still we'll have to use this new voice and let's see how Takagi will deal with his new rule. And as you know, I'm be used to get excited for the anime more than the manga.... Madara, you saved the both of them in this week. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 11:50, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re: tb question
It's confusing, I know. Even when Kurama took over Naruto, he spoke with his mind, not opening his mouth. I like that kind of speaking and I can't imagine an entity like a tailed beast to speak as "swift" as a human, using its lips and everything. So I go with the mind speaking. Seelentau 愛議 16:30, December 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Dunno, I never really noticed it. You can't say how a human speaks just from drawings. So the weird kind of speaking without using the mouth is anime-only. Seelentau 愛議 17:04, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

You've see this??
Kabuto is 22 here, so he was 17 5 years ago. I guess you could fit this into your Kabuto timeline?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 17:48, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Try this one then ItachiWasAHero (talk) 17:55, January 2, 2014 (UTC) kabuto sais it has been five years and sasori sais kabuto yakushi were you followed?Iloveinoxxx (talk) 17:56, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

This was about 6 months before Sasuke betrayed Oro, Gaara(January) and Naruto(October) were still 15, so Kabuto(February) was still 22. That means he was 17 5 years ago. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 18:09, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Kabuto stuff
But... but all of my dates are backed up by the manga :(


 * Orochimaru left Konoha 3 years aNb, Kabuto became Genin 3 years aNb. We know that they left Konoha's ANBU together and that Orochimaru send Kabuto back to Konoha with the fake background.
 * Kabuto began to work for the ANBU five years earlier, meaning 2 years bNb, after having been found by Nono 2 years ago, meaning 5 years bNb. Why is it nonsense that he was two years old at that point?
 * Orochimaru left Akatsuki 6 years aNb, as stated in chapter 238 and 353, with Kabuto at his side.
 * Kabuto was a spy for Sasori after Orochimaru left Akatsuki, though Oro discovered Sasori's technique and made him his spy instead.

I didn't make this up, you know? o: Seelentau 愛議 18:58, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's probably the meeting Kabuto mentioned five years later, but Orochimaru isn't there because he already left Akatsuki and Kabuto worked as Sasori's spy. Seelentau 愛議 20:21, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * Because it's a timeline. First Oro wants to know about Akatsuki, then his time with Sasori in Akatsuki comes, then he's left Akatsuki and Kabuto works as a double spy. Seelentau 愛議 22:34, January 2, 2014 (UTC)

No, you are all wrong. First, kabuto is 1 when he got picked up by nonou. After 3 years, he can be NEARLY 4 years old and at this point he has good medical ninjutsu. He would be trained by root to be a spy ONLY. And got sent on the mission. We can see that he had 4 different uniforms in different countries so we can take that he spend 1 year in each which adds up to 4 years and including the 1 year training, 5 year in total. Kabuto at age 8 (NEARLY 9) now meets orochimaru again who was suppose to kill him under danzou's orders. so this means that at this point, orochimaru is still part of konoha, the reason he dresses differently can be due to the fact that oro dont want to be seen wearing konoha uniform to his hideout and saving kabuto. We know that orochimaru left after minato died and before naruto is 4 thanks to kakashi anbu arc. when naruto is 4, kakashi would be 18 and yamato would be 14 and kabuto would be 12. Orochimaru left akatsuki when naruto was 6. Itachi would be 11 at that point and at 11, he is still a anbu, thanks to kakashi anbu arc again. He stayed in anbu untill he was 13, since kakashi did say that itachi became an anbu captain at age 13 and it is not long after he became anbu captain that he killed his clan, mostly within a year. we know that shisui is not dead yet when itachi is in the anbu. we know orochimaru left because he failed to get itachi's sharingan. We also know that anko is older than yamato since she is 24 in part I and kakashi is 26 during chuunin exams. yamato then would be 22. Anko is 5 years older than kabuto. So basically, oro picked a 8 year old kabuto up, anko at this point is 13 so she is already a chuunin but part of team orochimaru. he then took kabuto to konoha's academy who he graduated in 1 year. At this point, anko would already have gotton the cursed mark from oro. Shortly after this incident, mostly within a year, oro leaves the village only to be confronted by a nearly 16 year old kakashi and a nearly 12 year old yamato. --Matthewlauyh (talk) 17:24, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Re: opinion
Forum post comes later. My plan is quite big. But before I do anything I need to know what the other sysops think about the issue first.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 15:33, January 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh it is grandiose. And i'll prob get me in trouble. Hence why Im asking questions first. And I meant whatever means "drooling". I'm just a god tier speller and those discussion pertain to my interest.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 16:31, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

Help
Can you tell me how to archive my talkpage please and thanks. Munchvtec (talk) 15:58, January 8, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec

ThanksMunchvtec (talk) 16:37, January 8, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec

Kaguya
The theory is found here:

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=944476 Celebrei (talk) 23:27, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Shiki Fuujin Kai
Based on the talk page of Shiki Fuujin Kai, you also noticed that Orochimaru needed to be in front of the Tablet to unseal the Reaper, this is true, think about it: Sasuke said "Appearances (Naka Shrine) does not matter, the important item is downstairs, let's go" and we see Sasuke lighting the candles in front of the Tablet, and Orochimaru donning the Mask in front of the Tablet, even crouching in front of it to summon the Reaper, now why would Sasuke said the Uchiha Tablet was important if he didn't read it? unless, the immediate use of the Tablet was for the immediate purpose of unsealing the Reaper? now others argue that perhaps Sasuke read the Tablet off-panel, however this is very unlikely, when Hashirama asked Madara how he knew about the Shinju/Kaguya/Hagoromo story Madara replied "So it is written in the Uchiha Tablet" Hashirama would've at least an idea of where Madara learned this if Sasuke read the Tablet after his talk with the Edo Hokages (and Kishimoto would've shown Hashirama having a flashback of Sasuke reading the Tablet after the latter made his decision) but there wasn't, because Sasuke never read the Tablet, the importance of the Tablet (as Sasuke said) was to use it in conjunction with the Shinigami Mask to unseal the Reaper, and that is why Orochimaru took forever to unseal it and get his arms back if the Mask was the only thing needed, because he needed Sasuke's Sharingan to open the sealed door of the Shrine for the catalyst of the Mask to work: the Tablet.

This is Kishimoto's deliberate and ultimate form of obfuscation to hide the relationship the Uzumaki Clan has with Hagoromo. Celebrei (talk) 23:46, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Tablet
Well if all Sasuke and co. needed was privacy then why didn't they unseal the Reaper and summon the Hokages in the Uzumaki Mask Storage Temple? it's pretty much abandoned and would provide the same kind of privacy the Naka Shrine served.

And if we look at it from a logical and deductive perspective:

Orochimaru wanted to possess Sasuke, but even if he did possess Sasuke, the soul part of his arms would still be sealed inside the Reaper, so Orochimaru still needed to retrieve it, but in doing so would kill the host body (which is Sasuke) so what Orochimaru should have done is have one of his fanatical servants sacrifice himself/herself for him to wear the Mask and unseal the Reaper so he could get his arms back, of course he could have done this even before possessing Sasuke because if the sacrificial servant would unseal the Reaper for him the soul part of his arms would just go back to him anyway without harming his host, that is, if the Shinigami Mask was the only thing needed to unseal the RDS, so why didn't he do it before? answer: it's because Orochimaru couldn't, the Mask itself is not enough to unseal the Reaper.

What Orochimaru intended was to possess Sasuke and use his Sharingan to open the sealed door to the Naka Shrine and have of his servants sacrifice himself for him to unseal the Reaper to get his arm's soul back while preserving Sasuke's body, because the catalyst for the unsealing is inside the Naka Shrine: The Uchiha Tablet.

Also, one cannot argue that Orochimaru was the one who was necessary to perform the unsealing to get his arms back, for Orochimaru was determined to possess Sasuke even before he got his arms back, if Orochimaru was successful in possessing Sasuke, he would not dispose of his body, Orochimaru will not wait three years again to perform the Reaper Death Unseal and dispose Sasuke's body just to get his arms back since Sasuke's body is Orochimaru's prized possession, therefore, it only stands to reason that anyone performing the Reaper Death Unseal is sufficient to get his arms back once his arm's soul had been released from it. So why didn't Orochimaru have one of his lackeys unseal the Reaper before? because they don't have access to the Naka Shrine were the catalyst for the unsealing is: The Uchiha Tablet.

This is just too obvious to be wrong, so we just have to wait until Kishi reveals more about it. Celebrei (talk) 01:59, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Moveset
I know know when exactly articles on video game jutsu began, but there were already here when I first joined. However, they had a lot of incorrect information, most of them were mistranslated. I corrected many of these old articles. We cover the franchise as a whole, and that covers the game. In my opinion, I think it's valid to cover individual game jutsu if the information is out there and available for consult to create the articles. There are others who think they're unnecessary as well, but as long as they're there, I rather they have the correct information, so I work on them when people make them. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:23, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Hell
Yeah, that's true. This episode will be censored in the broadcast version according to Date-chi. But when this episode will be released in DVDs, it will be uncensored. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 11:24, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * The DVD is expected to be released in the next year. And about the spiral Zetsu, he has the same voice actor but the animator did some modifications on his voice to make it different. But Nobuo-san is very skillful voice actor and I like his rule so much. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 12:56, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * This episode was quite amazing for me. At least, the censorship wasn't that intensive and I really liked it. Megumi-san did a very good job in voice acting in this episode, despite her young age (24 years old) but still she did what should be done. And about the ending, I think it was very good and fits the ending of its manga chapter. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 15:30, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Like
Use the "Hide logs" option. ~SnapperTo 18:53, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re: some of the dialogue
Zetsu says "Anyhow, the contents are splendidly nice, hm?" or so. It's an easy sentence, but difficult to translate for me. I think it's about the Tailed Beasts or maybe about Obito inside Kuro Zetsu.

Madara says "Furthermore, a new "eye" is also being raised... though I don't know if it'll stick to my side", obviously referring to Sasuke. However, it doesn't make sense that he stabs him a few seconds later... Seelentau 愛議 14:13, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Eh, he noticed him earlier, but it's weird that he doesn't show any real intereset in Sasuke or vice versa. Madara's after Sasuke's eyes, nothing else. And no, I don't recall that anime scene, I didn't watch part I for a long time. Seelentau 愛議 14:57, January 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * And why would that be Jūken? Seelentau 愛議 18:21, January 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * But isn't Jūken a bit more than that? I mean, otherwise Kakashi's Double Raikiri against Kakuzu's Raitonjutsu would be Jūken too, huh? Seelentau 愛議 19:03, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Re: 2 things
Trying to put more logic into the manga than it needs is what you're doing. I don't think the beasts have DNA, because they're basically Chakra. But what about Orochimaru? I don't understand what his abilities have to do with chakra and dna. Dunno about the life force thing. We're talking about stuff that only was hinted at and I'm currently not in the mood to think too deeply about Naruto and how everything works. Seelentau 愛議 11:03, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Re: feiku
tho ain't no word, tho Seelentau 愛議 17:31, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Yahiko age source
Seelan gave it. Munchvtec 13:26, February 3, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec

The thing about Munchlax and rectum, yea real funny. Change whatever you want I wont change it back and also what do you mean by "For Your Sake "? Also you don;t have to be disgusting and rude about users behind there back like I wasn't going to see that comment. Munchvtec 16:40, February 3, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec

it was on Itachiwasaheroes talk page the latest addition and im assuming he translated it because he said he would. Munchvtec 16:56, February 3, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec

Re: Yahiko's age
No, I did not translate that. However, I read it in the blog post and told it to Mister Omnibender. Seelentau 愛議 17:10, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Charasuke
It's not an episode at the very least, which is what the page was categorized as.

No opposition to its recreation, assuming anyone can find more about it. ~SnapperTo 19:51, February 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Found a download for it. Maybe someone wants to pester Seelentau to translate it? ~SnapperTo 19:58, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * You want me to translate a drama cd? What? Seelentau 愛議 22:15, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * No need to fear, Kirin is hear! Hear is a brief summary of the CD: http://kohaya7kae-13.deviantart.com/art/Road-To-Charasuke-Official-SasuHina-Interaction-369209178. You can use this information to make the Charasuke page. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 23:50, February 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * ah, I see, so that's how it is. Well, as it is already translated, just do what you must. Seelentau 愛議 09:27, February 4, 2014 (UTC)

Re: just wondering
I used to be an editor (and short-time admin) at the German PokéWiki, yes. But my interest faded after Generation IV. I still own a 3DS XL and Pokémon X, but I'm not into it anymore. Thinking of selling everything and buying some new pc components, but the memories... Seelentau 愛議 08:41, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Pokemon
Competitively, I think Chikorita was bad, or at the very least had the least opportunities to make stupid broken. Way back then though everyone was going for the Cyndaquil. Very few went for Totodile, and even fewer went Chikorita. But I loved that cute little green and yellow thing (Old Man Voice: Because in MY day, Chikorita was @#$&ing yellow and green!). After Chikorita though I started to exclusively pick up the water starters, so Mudkip, Piplup, Oshawott, Froakie, and whatever the next one will be. But Chikorita will always have a special place in my heart and hopefully my team.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 13:00, February 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * I always use the fire type as my starter. Dunno why :D--~Ultimate Supreme  15:59, February 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * LOL. Not really, its just the right time that I login ;).
 * I never thought anyone would ever read the entire thing :D.
 * Nope, I just read manga nowadays that college has started. Might watch them all at once in holidays xD--~Ultimate Supreme  16:27, February 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Fun fact, Empoleon was actually the weakest starter of its gen, at least in comparison to the others. Mainly it's Steel and Water worked against it. It couldn't fight Impernape because steel is weak against fighting. It couldn't fight Totaria (or however its spelled) because Water is weak against grass.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 16:48, February 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Its the most distinct starter too.--~Ultimate Supreme  17:07, February 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * You may say I "was" a hardcore. Platinum, I would say. Played emerald for long time too --~Ultimate Supreme  18:16, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Re: timeline
Yeah, gotta work on my timeline a bit, but let's finish this awesome arc first. ;) Oh and about Pokémon: I never watched the anime "for real", my fav version is HG/SS as well and I don't play it anymore because I don't enjoy playing singleplayer games anymore. I know there's a huge fanbase and multiplayer stuff, but that's too much for me. Dunno, maybe I grew out of it after all. Seelentau 愛議 15:44, February 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * A bit Minecraft and a bit League of Legends. Currently I'm on gaming hiatus, gotta watch HIMYM. Yeah, Imma bit late on that one, but it's awesome nonetheless. Seelentau 愛議 17:10, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Hey
Charsasuke? The one CD drama that came along for Road to Ninja? I remember looking it up a while ago somewhere on Tumblr, but the translations were incomplete, so I just gave up looking at them since a fan did. It wasn't all the good to me, so I couldn't really use it was a source material. I've created pages before on the Narutopedia (mostly locations for Konoha), but I'm not sure if I'm up to task, though. ^_^; You said there were translations somewhere, right? Are the ones you're talking about accurate?-- Ninja Sheik  21:28, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I've just finished reading (well, skimming) over it. Lol! How weird! XD So, just so I understand what's on in this thing: the CD drama basically takes place shortly after Playboy Sasuke gave Sakura the rose in the movie. Hinata and Ino goes to Sakura's house. Hinata plans a group date to set Sakura and Sasuke up together in order to prevent Sakura from getting "Menma". Ino doesn't like the idea and wants to protect Sakura from getting hurt. She confides in Chōji and Shikamaru for advice, and they all agree to go on the date to protect Sakura. The date happens, the Ino-Shika-Chō trio acts desperately to prevent Sasuke from winning Sakura's heart and failing miserable at it while Hinata encourages Sakura's attraction to Sasuke by pointing out Sasuke's good points. Throughout this whole thing, Playboy Sasuke uses his Sharingan (lol! XD) on to help with the date and scare his fanclub away when they follow him to the restaurant. Near the end of the date, Ino uses Mind Transfer on Hinata, and makes her drags Sasuke away before he could get Sakura to himself. Playboy Sasuke misunderstands Hinata's behavior as jealously and thinks she likes him, Ino leaves, Hinata regains her conscious, Sasuke hits on Hinata, and Hinata sends Sasuke to the ground with a punch. Ino and Sakura have girl talk, Sakura says she had fun and goes to meet with Naruto, Ino-Shika-Chō pats themselves on the back for being there for Sakura. CD drama ends with Naruto passing by grumpy Playboy Sasuke after being socked by Hinata.

Did I get the gist of it? ^ __ ^-- Ninja Sheik  23:01, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Eh~? Seriously? Who creates a page and doesn't put anything on it? o__o Hmmm, I never created a page based off a merchandise, let alone for a CD Drama. It can't be too hard, right? Hmm, if no one else is going to do it, then I guess I can take a crack at it. But when I have time, so I'm busy with college and all. I even had a math test today (hoped I passed), and I have to study for my biology and music class tests this week (what a drag...-__-). But sure, I'll give it shot. I'll try to do it this weekend. :)-- Ninja Sheik  21:09, February 7, 2014 (UTC)

Aw, thanks. :)-- Ninja Sheik  04:56, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

Rinbo: Hengoku issue
You said Rinbo: Hengoku should be considered Deva Path jutsu on the fact policy discussion. I agree with you but others still don't believe it. Can you try to help?--Rinneganmaster (talk) 23:53, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Traffic
I saw your question at Simant's talk page. The only traffic related info I know of is this. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:17, February 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * The Dashboard also has some quick stats which atm say 5.3M (weekly)
 * You can also request "Quantcast stats" from wikia.--~Ultimate Supreme  17:25, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

If I may ask
How in the he'll does a blind person even use a wikia?Munchvtec (talk) 22:25, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

I know and I don't treat blind people any different, there the same as us and thanks for the info anyways Munchvtec (talk) 22:36, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

Re: mystery solved
Who... was that again? Seriously, though. There's no one I can think of that would make sense. Really no one. Seelentau 愛議 22:50, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Re: ._. just
As it turns out, I am seriously reevaluating Karin. She demolished Spiral Zetsu. That was pretty unexpected. I've disliked Kabuto ever since he was revealed to be a villain. He was so cocky and snide, which was, up until he became Kabutomaru, completely without foundation since he was nothing more than a bookworm before then. I felt least connected with him. Even with Obito, which people give more hate than necessary, I can connect with the guy and understand why he went bad. But with Kabuto it was just like... I don't know. He felt lacking. More like his reasons for going evil were completely for his own ego. Yeah, there was all that junk about Nono, but still felt extremely lacking for the massive **** he became. At least Obito, in his Tobi and Madara persona, was a total badass. Suigetsu and Jugo kinda have the same reasoning behind them. They were built up as these super elite experiments of Orochimaru and ended up becoming fodder (which was also my original reason for hating Karin). They came in practically to be Sasuke's b****es and have remained such ever since. Suigetsu hasn't had a truly defining moment yet, and even Jugo's rampage at the Kage Summit wasn't all that impressive.

Overall, I tend to enjoy the characters I can connect to, emotionally, intellectually, or whathave you, better than the characters who just have flashy moves or are built up to be "superior" when they're introduced. Even characters like Minato I can't enjoy, because for all he was built up to be, the guy is kinda lacking, which I guess Kishi did on purpose, from Tobirama's numerous comments. Anywho, that's my take on it. Glad my avitar got a reaction out of you XD ~ Ten Tailed Fox 04:55, February 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Very true. And you're right. I am very bias towards Obito. Definitely more so than Kabuto. I don't think I'd hate Kabuto so much, if I had known his reasons earlier on. But I'm bias towards Obito because I get him. I don't fully understand Kabuto, likely because I've never been in a similar situation to him, so its a mismatch. But with Obito, its like, growing up in a family where I was mostly ignored compared to my siblings, I know what its like to be completely overlooked and to have your accomplishments put second or even last to others around you. And I know what its like to care about someone, not necessarily a love interest, but someone of great importance and have them ripped away. Its a much more hollowing feeling than most people understand. Doesn't mean I'd dawn a mask and declare war on the world, but I guess what I'm trying to say is I can understand how he eventually could follow the trail of thoughts to that mentality. Wow... that was much more sentimental than I intended it to be. Maybe I read into this manga too much >_<


 * On Suigetsu's situation, yeah, he definitely did a cool thing by taking a Bijudama for his comrades, but in the scope of things, it wasn't a "defining moment" that made me really respect his character. Because Suigetsu and Jugo could've become major players and, in the end, it seems that all Kishi used them for was furthering Sasuke's ambitions. That's the only times they were ever relevant plot-wise and that sorta irked me.


 * And then there's Minato. I mean, I was one of those fanboys that, pre-his resurrection, thought he was just some massive badass because of the way Kishimoto built him up. Literally since the beginning of the manga we were lead to believe that Minato was just this Ninja Jesus and it turns out, in fact, that he pales in comparison to even his son. I like him personality wise, but, when observing the past three Hokage, I actually wonder how he was ever made Hokage. He doesn't seem near the same level, though that could just be his age. That's just me though. I'm kinda weird in how I judge characters, so there's that ~_~ ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 03:22, February 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Amen. Really curious to see what happens this week, though. Looks like Madara is really steamrolling everyone. It'll be interesting to see how Kishimoto brings Naruto out of this one. My hopes are that Saukura uses the One's Own Life Reincarnation on him and kicks the can herself >_> A man can dream, right? ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 04:20, February 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * I sure hope so. And yeah, I see Sasuke awakening the Rinnegan myself. I started predicting that way back when he got his EMS, but now it seems more likely than ever. I'm really curious as to who this mysterious person is approaching Sasuke, so I hope Kishi doesn't keep us in suspense too long concerning that guy. Could be Kabuto, but personally I don't believe it is, since Karin didn't recognize the chakra and even Orochimaru seemed concerned. Here's to hoping its somebody epic. All in all, yeah. I'm pretty happy with Kishimoto lately. He seems to really be on a roll. Let's hope he keeps it up right through to the end. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 16:39, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

O' great
Lol I hope you were being sarcastic with him. His ego doesn't need to get any worse. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 15:42, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

Re: for it
DARY! eh, wrong series, sorry. It was Obito who persuaded Yahiko, not Madara. Seelentau 愛議 07:57, February 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a lie. The anime confirms that, hm? Seelentau 愛議 15:38, February 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * ...oh, well, you're right. I don't recall Obito ever talking to Yahiko aside from that one time... so maybe it was Madara? But Madara should've been tied to the statue at that time... Seelentau 愛議 15:51, February 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Technically, he didn't lie, because everyone assumed that he was Madara at that point. Seelentau 愛議 15:56, February 14, 2014 (UTC)

The answer
Okay so how would you know if I knew the answer or not I would not have asked the question if I didn't know the answer but aside from that what's up with video game overhaul thing, I'd like to know what's gonna happen if you know the answer to that. Munchvtec (talk) 21:02, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Okay thanks and again with the video game thing do you know what's gonna happen there at all or no. Munchvtec (talk) 21:10, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Nawaki and Dan's deaths
Nawaki died in a battle or so, Dan during the second WW. Seelentau 愛議 14:16, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

Re: tracks' name translation
Sorry, I'm kinda busy at the moment^^ Ours are correct. Seelentau 愛議 17:06, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Re: wait
So.. You know the answer, right? ... I have a bad connection today, that's why I couldn't reply on your message at that time. About those episodes, it's getting more boring and terrifying as it advances, nothing to say more than that. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 22:34, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed.. I think in the next episode, we might see a little improvement for the relationship between Kakashi and Yamato (or Tenzō to be exact) and how do he call him as (Kakashi-senpai) not (Kakashi-san) .... Hopefully we'll see Itachi in the next week of course. Otherwise, it would be some kind of crap. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 02:55, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Funny
So, I clicked on your signature, not realizing it was a red link, and stared in confusion for like 30 seconds when it said your userpage didn't exist lol. Call me dumb, but I just noticed your avatar and I about laughed my ass off. That episode. Just. Holy crap. How the animation team messed that one up so badly, I have no clue, but that face cracks me up so much xD I just had to comment on it. So yeah. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 02:57, March 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * So badly?! If you meant that scene, you're right. But for the whole episode, it's something different. I loved every scene of it by the way. Wakabayashi-chi, please come back. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 03:12, March 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * That entire episode was terrible for me. They completely threw the manga out the window for that one. And the animation was just... >_> Meh. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 03:21, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Oro infobox edit
I still think that the Orochimaru situation is highly confusing, mostly due to what I believe to be Kishimoto's poor choice of words and seemingly contradicting statements. About the body, think like this: Orochimaru's lack of Sage Mode use was attributed to him not having the right body. How could he have created senjutsu chakra if he couldn't enter Sage Mode over the incapable body? For now, with canon statements only, those seem to be mutually excluding scenarios. The only says I can see this working is if the senjutsu chakra he created is even more imperfectly balanced than Jiraiya's, just enough to count as senjutsu chakra, but not enough to truly enter Sage Mode (if such a thing is possible), or if he can somehow create that chakra in another body, like putting his chakra in a capable body, control it to create the senjutsu chakra, and then take it back into himself. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:37, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Eternal Genin
Where did he say that? Sorry I couldn't recall it, Elve-kun. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 11:37, March 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Damn those assholes, show him some respect. I'll revert my edits there. And waiting for the raws for more confirmation because we have another eternal genin. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 11:43, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

Re: some help sensei
I would say that its debut would be the first time we saw him perform any sort of body transformation. We don't list Explosion Release as debuting when we actually learned the kekkei genkai's name, we list it as when it was earliest used. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:43, March 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think you might want to consider reorganizing the page. As a kekkei genkai page, that is going to be picked up by the kekkei genkai article, which will add an entry to it. The way you wrote the page, there's no good way to use summary tags to transclude a short description into the kekkei genkai article. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:02, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think a good image of Jūgo making a voluntary transformation is more appropriate. I don't think that cover pages should be used as anything other covers unless they're really the best image for to be used. I think that maybe even the clan image should be ok, since it shows a lot of people dealing with the effect. Maybe that shot of several of Orochimaru's prisoners in their level two transformations when they went to fetch Jūgo. About the information, you just need to rewrite it better. Take a look at other similar kekkei genkai pages, like Sakon and Ukon's. The kekkei genkai page will only pick up the information in summary tags. The kekkei genkai has no icon image named in the way that most other kekkei genkai do. Look at Kekkei Genkai and you'll understand what I mean. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:17, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think we ever saw that again. It's not required for it to have one, but if it had to have one, I'd say something showing the pattern that spreads when they have the transformations. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:08, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * And where do you think fluids come from? There is a particular passage I recall, but I can't find, that elaborates a bit more on the fluid part. Something like Orochimaru developing an enzyme based on the fluids, not him getting the enzyme already there from the fluid. Otherwise, he'd have to constantly get samples from Jūgo. Either way, calling them two separate abilities only complicates the situation unnecessarily. Cursed seal bearers aren't injected with the fluids as far as we know, for the same reason, Jūgo isn't drained every time for it. The passive intake of natural energy could be precisely why the seal is said to eat away the users chakra and evetually body and mind. The reason it forcibly draws chakra from its bearer is probably because it needs to balance out the natural energy, and since Jūgo gets transformations instead of petrification, cursed seal users do the same. Jūgo spreading his power to Sasuke's Susanoo created a senjutsu Susanoo. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:46, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: I'm not blind
I'm just moving in-town, need to find a new space to live and all that stuff. But since the PC is my top priority, I'll always find a way to go online :D

Anyhow, I think their bodies are special because of the stuff in their fluids and ultimately in their DNA. Seelentau 愛議 20:07, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * The fluids or whatever is in them causes the body to absorb natural energy and undergo the transformation. One thing, I'd say. But you know, this is a topic where we can't be 100% correct until we have more information. Seelentau 愛議 23:36, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

I remember to have this explained multiple times... >.o Seelentau 愛議 19:18, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it is undenieable that it has something to do with Oro's cells, hm? Otherwise, Kabuto's body wouldn't have changed after he injected them. Seelentau 愛議 22:13, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * We're on the same page, don't worry. It's just that I'm missing an explanation for what happened to the supposed Oro-takeover? And why's Kabuto always looking like that? Seelentau 愛議 22:39, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

Re: character hyping
Regarding this: Because people like to do it to showcase how much they fanboy over a character xD --Speysider Talk Page 14:26, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re: why is it
Cliffhanger, I guess. Seelentau 愛議 13:30, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Sasuke's Tsukuyomi
Because: Seelentau 愛議 12:54, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * he never stated to have Tsukuyomi
 * he never stated to have used Tsukuyomi
 * if we debunk the A&T=S fact from the databook (because come on, it's old), him having Susanoo doesn't mean him having Tsukuyomi anymore
 * Danzō's statement compared Sasuke's Genjutsu (earth) to Itachi's Tsukuyomi (heaven)
 * When they were trapped in Kabuto's Genjutsu, why did Itachi use Tsukuyomi, but Sasuke did not? If a normal Genjutsu would've been enough, why did Itachi use Tsukuyomi?
 * If only a Sharingan user from Itachi's blood can break Tsukuyomi, how could Hachibi break it?

Re: 671 raw
Na, it's not out yet. But the episode is and it was awesome. I love how they're so damn accurate with the timeline of events. Everything fits. Seelentau 愛議 11:55, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * What's wrong? Seelentau 愛議 12:04, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * The manga shows things different from databooks and anime, yes. But as I said before, I doubt that the anime makers don't talk to Kishimoto about the details, especially in a canon filler arc. Seelentau 愛議 12:22, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * I say that if we have two options, one with 50% correctness and one with 70%, we should choose the one with 70%. Seelentau 愛議 12:30, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

I totally don't get why they constantly said "their mother". Nothing indicates that Kaguya was Indora's and Ashura's mother. Seelentau 愛議 15:08, April 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Na. They = mangastream. In the raw, nothing indicates... Seelentau 愛議 17:25, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

They're called Tenseisha, which literally translates to Reincarnation person or so. Seelentau 愛議 19:14, April 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes. They're chakra-reincarnations, not body-reincarnations. Seelentau 愛議 21:19, April 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Over here, today is over in about two minutes, so... :D Seelentau 愛議 21:58, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

Re: infinite tsukuyomi portrayal
Huh? Seelentau 愛議 12:46, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * iDo, but I have no idea what you want from me. Seelentau 愛議 13:31, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * So...? Seelentau 愛議 14:26, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why would a movie be canon? Seelentau 愛議 16:43, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. Canon is not decided by the author, but by the story. Everything that has happened in the main story is canon. Everything that happened in specials, movies and so is not canon. For example, it is canon that Kakashi was Yamato's senpai, but it's not canon that they met for the first time the way they did in the anime. Just because Kishimoto decides to think of a technique for a movie, it isn't a canon technique. Only if it's used in the main story, it's canon. Such as Raiga, for example. He was shown in an anime-only arc and wasn't canon until Kishimoto decided to draw him in the manga, making him canon. Seelentau 愛議 08:11, April 4, 2014 (UTC)

re:advice
not to be mean if you don't like what i put on my info don't look at it i put it there to let people know about me what should i do put straight on there and lie about who i am Shaduw-Chan 15:16, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Stuff
No, nothing indicates that she's an alien. And I don't know. The name from last chapter is pretty clear, I can't think of a reason any decent translator would eff it up. Or I'm not seeing the bigger picture, but I doubt that. Seelentau 愛議 10:18, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, ガ means moth, but ガイ doesn't. Seelentau 愛議 10:26, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would also continue the "time"+"animal" line, hm? But it is as it is, I can't do much about it. Seelentau 愛議 10:34, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Kudos
Regarding this post: "What you just wrote". Instead of leaving a post just to agree with someone else (which could be considered spam), it's better to click the Kudos button. Just a suggestion for future. :) --Speysider Talk Page 12:12, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

Re: topic I'd really like your opinion on
A Rasengan made of black and white/yin and yang chakra. Own technique, ofc. Seelentau 愛議 19:34, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not alway black or white, Dantman already explained that a few days ago, didn't he? ;) Seelentau 愛議 20:27, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * A Rasengan is a Rasengan. A Tailed Beast Ball is a TBB. A TBR is a TBB used with the principles of a Rasengan. Seelentau 愛議 22:31, April 12, 2014 (UTC)

No. I've had enough of discussing stuff like that. I can explain things to you if you want me to, but if you don't agree with my explanation, I simply don't care. It seems to me that many of us have forgotten that we're actually on the same side - we all want to make the wiki better. But I don't think that the current constellation of users is going to get the wiki anywhere, because each of us has his own mindset and most aren't able to think outside of the box. That includes me, by the way. Seelentau 愛議 22:47, April 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * I put it as a pure Lava Release technique by Naruto and Son, Naruto doesn't have the Yōton KKG or the basic natures for it. Also, all of Son's/Roshi's techniques aren't KKG. Seelentau 愛議 23:18, April 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * I just have to say, to both you and Elv, that Naruto "has" (emphasis on the quotation marks) katon and doton. Every person has access to the basic natures. What should be said is that he's never showed he can use them. As for the KKG/Youton, I'm not sure we can say anything atm. We've never understood the chakra natures of Son and etc. --Taynio (talk) 04:07, April 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * He hasn't, I don't think you understand how the whole nature learning thing works, hm? Seelentau 愛議 11:02, April 13, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Agree
Because until I posted that, I wasn't sure how to feel on the subject. But I worked out what is most logical: Naruto made a rasenshuriken, then Son Goku supplied Youton. Of course I can be wrong and Naruto made a rasenshuriken completely out of Youtan and without Fuuton. But it also means that we have to look at the context of things. While I do believe Son Goku supplied Youton, I also believe Naruto is a wielder of it due to having Son Goku inside of him. I believe that since Bijuu are chakra entities, despite being tangible and sentient, can be separated into minor portions of their chakra and still be inside every individual, meaning multiple jinchuuriki. We saw this in Kurama being split in half. Even now, the Bijuu talk to Naruto and behave as if 100% of every one of them were inside of Naruto. Anywho, tangents aside. I just take information as it is presented, and I'm willing to change when new information is presented. --Taynio (talk) 07:07, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

There are no "real" tailed beasts, though. It's why Gyuuki and Kurama weren't needed in their entirety to resurrect the Juubi. Because all the Bijuu are is chakra. Yes, they can talk, behave like they are flesh and blood, and perhaps even bleed. But at the end of the day, they're just chakra. Kurama was split in half, with Yang-Kurama in one, Yin-Kurama in the other. But both existed at the same time. By the logic you propose, that is impossible and there's only two possible outcomes in that direction: 1) Only one of them has the "real" Kurama, and 2) neither of them have the real Kurama. But both of them did have Kurama. Obito didn't just grab their chakra, he grabbed parts of the beasts and its why they appear to Naruto, talk to him, and give him chakra. Even a handful of their chakra is still them, its part of them. You misunderstand though, I think ,when I say they're "only chakra". They are just chakra, but as we know, chakra is a great, varied, magical thing. There are many kinds of chakra, too, and it can do many things. It just so happens in the bijuu case, it takes a form of life, but they were never born like normal creatures.

Re: Your argument
Anytime anyone disagrees with you, you call them an elitist. So, I just have learned to ignore that term. It means nothing to me. The opinion of the many outweigh the opinion of the one. Most were in agreement and it is the most logical conclusion. And yes, I take Seel's opinion very seriously because he can translate the literal Japanese, but I'm not afraid to disagree with him when I think he's wrong, given those exact same translations (i.e., back during the whole will materialization = black rods). I don't know where my sysop powers come into play, because I haven't used them in any of this and would be this way without them. End of story. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 17:20, April 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * They can chime in. No one is stopping them from doing so and there is a revert button in the case that, by some miracle, the argument is reversed and proven to the contrary. I doubt that, because, as I and the other three have already said, its the most logical, common sense conclusion given what we know about jinchūriki. That still doesn't give you the right to cry abuse and "elitism". I've seen "elitism" and being blunt and to the point on a talk page, crass as it sometimes maybe, is not "elitism". I'm not even going to get into abusing sysop powers. Abusing those would be locking the page to prevent anyone from editing because they don't agree with me, but you'll never see me even think of that as an option. Think before you speak. Think before you accuse. I may be blunt, but I'm not in anyway that kind of person. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 17:28, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re: next week
No, we have a chapter and an episode in the next week. But we don't have any of them in the week after due to the Golden Week. I was talking about May 29, that day we don't have Naruto episode because of Pokemon. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 10:07, April 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * You're warmly welcome :) — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 10:19, April 18, 2014 (UTC)

Re: dafuq
No. That is not entirely true nor verified. Kabuto said based on his medical skills, and studies of Hashirama's cells. He did not at any point say he was pumping the Uchiha full of Hashirama's cells which to our knowledge Kabuto did not possess in him. It's fine and whatever to speculate, that's not the part I'm interested in, but it shouldn't be in an article stated as if it is fact. —Cerez 365 ™(talk) 13:13, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, actually. That's the only way we can ensure accuracy on anything. What Kabuto is pumping Sasuke is still unknown, ergo therefore, ipso facto and God save the Queen: we do not mention things we are uncertain of.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 14:57, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

I am certain you only saw me contribute to one of those discussions. I am yet to see any evidence of the other chakras having consciousnesses. Still with regards to the Lava Release, it follows the Rōshi precedence… You can't let trivialities like infoboxes consume you. Worry about what the articles say.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 15:18, April 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re: ignored topics
Whatcha want meh to do? My opinonions on those things are as follows: Anything else? • Seelentau 愛議 13:24, April 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hagoromo is a Senjutsu user because Naruto's mode was called Rikudō no Senjutsu (Kurama likely refered to it in chapter 499, too)
 * Naruto can use Lava Release through Yonbi, but not Fire or Earth Release
 * Naruto is the host of all Biju, because they're all inside of him and not just their chakra
 * The Lava Shuriken is Lava Release, but no Wind Release
 * Itachi is the only user of Tsukuyomi, the statement in the databook is only about him

He has the natures he used. He has not the natures that make up the advanced natures he used. We don't know if he has doesn't have YYR. • Seelentau 愛議 09:53, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Chapter 674
Noticed that too. Now he has only six tomoe, contrary to the last panel of chapter 673, where he has nine. • Seelentau 愛議 13:35, April 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * No idea. • Seelentau 愛議 19:35, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

Permanent Sage Mode?
Can you please explain to me how Naruto has a "permanent" Sage Mode? Why do you consider it permanent now? What evidence do you have? Please inform me, this permanent thing kinda sounds cool. WindStar7125 (talk) 22:02, April 21, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125
 * If I may, Elve-kun, I'll try to sum this up because I actually agree with you on this. Naruto is not seen needing to draw on Natural Energy any longer, he just is in Sage Mode. And he's been that way for three chapters now, without the toad markings, or any sign that he's going to be depleted anytime soon. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 22:04, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

Re: did the majority of more prominent editors
I think that most that were still replying went with the fact they had the consciousness. I'm abroad, and the internet here takes about 10 full seconds to load each page, so I can't exactly comb through pages other than my usual RC comb. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:59, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Re: the shinju or somebody else?
Geez, you be asking questions again... mysterious entity X says ''Take me in. Take the God Tree... the Ten-Tails entirely in...''. Madara's reaction after doing so is So that's it... the God Tree itself has....... • Seelentau 愛議 22:53, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, as most of the fandom, I believe that it was Kaguya who talked to Madara. • Seelentau 愛議 23:50, April 25, 2014 (UTC)

Re: chakra mode
You mean why Hagoromo looks like he looks? No idea. • Seelentau 愛議 14:29, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Uh, it's a chakra mode just like the normal one, only looking special because it's not the full Kurama's mode or so? • Seelentau 愛議 15:37, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Go for it, youngster. ;) • Seelentau 愛議 16:55, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Re: ugh, Rikudou Senjutsu
Nnnnnnna. Madara called it Rikudo Senjutsu and then said that he owned that same power, too. He called it Senninka in Obito's case. • Seelentau 愛議 10:24, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * ...Madara called Naruto's cloak Rikudō Senjutsu and said to possess the same power. Full stop, end of discussion. • Seelentau 愛議 15:36, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't do. The manga does. • Seelentau 愛議 15:53, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * So that means Sasuke's Rinnegan isn't the thing in his eye, but maybe something else? Because you know, Madara said that Sasuke possesses the Rinnegan while a picture of his eye was shown, but to you, that isn't proof that Madara was referring to the eye that is shown while he says that, hm? (Did you understand that? My English has rusted a bit ._.) • Seelentau 愛議 07:50, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

I won't forbid you to think what you want to think. But I can't let your beliefs tamper with the articles. Madara said the term while Naruto's back was shown and said that he himself possesses the same power. Since he does not possess whatever the Sage gave to Naruto, Madara can only refer to the cloak he himself and Naruto dons, because that's the only power both of them have. It's simple logic, if you want to believe something else, do it. But please don't reflect it in the articles. • Seelentau 愛議 10:03, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

No, he has not. What is the only thing Naruto and Madara have in common, ability wise? They both have the chakra of all nine tailed beasts in them. This is their only common denominator. So if they both have the same power and only one possible source in common, their power can only stem from that source.

The technique causes the transformation is what I'd say, but we don't know if that's true yet. • Seelentau 愛議 10:33, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

That doesn't proove anything. • Seelentau 愛議 10:36, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

The whole thing is part of the "Rikudō Senjutsu". The "Sage Transformation" is the part of "Rikudo Senjutsu" were a user uses Senchakra (and probably YYR) to create the orbs. The chakra mode Naruto and the others have has yet to be named, but is part of the "Rikudo Senjutsu", too. Just like the "Sage Mode" is part of the normal "Senjutsu". • Seelentau 愛議 10:45, April 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * The TSB are the result of an unnamed technique in which Sage Transformation is used to create the orbs.
 * The Sage Mode is a transformation and a technique, too. Why can't a technique not invoke a transformation?
 * Dunno, haven't read it, I'm so fed up with all this. I'll do it like Shawn, drink a cold beer and wait for this clusterfuck of a manga to blow over. Seelentau out. • Seelentau 愛議 10:53, April 28, 2014 (UTC)