Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32369776-20170706150024/@comment-30426414-20170714015234

Ninjachris wrote: 1. Madara was clearly analyzing sasuke and did not attempt to evade.

That doesn't make sense, not to mention its a wild assumption. Why would he choose not to evade? What benefit does that give him.

Ninjachris wrote: 2. It was a combination attack sasuke did not attack him alone.

Sasuke switched Madara inbetween him and Naruto, Madara would have still gotten hit if Naruto wasn't there. Moreover, Sasuke attacked alone the when Madara got stabbed in the chest but yet Madara couldn't dodge. Ninjachris wrote: 3. Chapter 674 pg15 Madara easily escapes by substituting a limbo clone.

He escaped after receiving damage from Naruto and Sasuke's jutsus, this version of Madara cannot afford to have gapping holes in this body since he can't regenerate. Ameno hitting just one time is enough to finish him.

Ninjachris wrote: 4. Chpt 674 pg12 Madara himself exclaims that he should get his both eyes as soon as possible, so obviously it significantly increases his power, oh yea and it "magically" gives him more limbo clones which he countered ameno with.

Of course it makes him more powerful but he still can't counter getting hit by Ameno. He can only counter after getting hit, which he can't afford like explained above.

Ninjachris wrote: How do you know Madara six path chakra was a knock off that's non factual. I don't recall edo Madara being rekt, besides we are talking about alive Madara vs sasuke.

The six paths chakra he got didn't increase his strength enough to surpass Hashirama. While the six paths chakra that Sasuke got brought him from below blind Madara, to fighting on par with TTJ Madara. Clearly these two six path chakra's are not of the same level.

Ninjachris wrote: Again the susano argument is opinion based, Madara's appeared to be stronger to me but that's my opinion. Madara can cloak his clones in susano and you are really trying to diminish that.

It is not opinion based, it is based on the feats we have seen them both perform and those feats are manga facts. I'm not trying to diminish anything, the clones cannot prevent themselves from succumbing to sasuke's CT's and the other clones cannot tank 9 CT's that come crashing down on them.

Ninjachris wrote: Ameno while it is doujutsu, it is a physical attack by the person unlike TSBs, it is not broken it's basically Minato ftg.

It doesn't matter, what you're essentially saying is that if something has never defeated an someone, it is useless. Which is so far from true because there are numerous powerful jutsus that have never defeated anyone: TSB's, Amaterasu, evening elephant etc. Ameno doesn't even fall into this category because it helped in deafeating Kaguya.

Ninjachris wrote: Madara probably >>kinshiki(taijutsu) too.

Nice assumption, considering we've never seen Madara move anywhere near the speed of Kinshiki, Kinshiki stomps him in taijutsu.

Ninjachris wrote: Madara overwhelms sasuke with wood release uses full compliment of limbo clones to counter ameno.

Sasuke's flies up with his susanoo to avoid the wood release, uses CT to trap all limbo clones. Flies down to Madara and switches Madara into his chidori and its over.

Ninjachris wrote: The fact remains ameno has NEVER given sasuke a clear advantage on anyone based on the manga, he uses it to evade more than anything else.

So hitting Madara twice with it wasn't an advantage? Hitting Naruto twice with it wasn't an advantage? helping him seal kaguya with it wasn't an advantage? The fact that actually remains is that Madara doesn't have a counter to Ameno like the manga proved. He can only counter after he gets hit and since he can't regenerate anymore, he can't afford to get hit. Its really that simple.