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I think we'll have a lot less trouble on the Versus Forum if we lay down some concrete debate rules for it. Such as what is and what isn't evidence (like objects or techniques that have no feats and/or just hype), as well as a general code of conduct for it, and how to make said matches. I think this might work:

Difference between Hype/Hyperbole and Feats for Evidence:

In Naruto, we get a lot of statements about characters and techniques, with many times said character, technique, or object being called invincible. Such as the Yata Mirror, being able to block any technique or Six Paths of Pain technique being invincible due to shared vision, or Pain in general called invincible by multiple characters. This is considered Hyperbole, and falls under No-Limits fallacy.

Hyperbole is defined as thus:

hyperbole [hahy-pur-buh-lee]

noun, Rhetoric

1.obvious and intentional exaggeration.

2.an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”.

No-Limits Fallacy is defined as thus:

The no limits fallacy is the illogical idea that a poorly understood phenomenon can be extrapolated to infinity or assumed to not have any maximum value or threshold. For a gross example, observing that a shield can easily withstand an attack from a particular weapon, one might illogically conclude that the shield could withstand fire from an unlimited number of those weapons at the same time, or that it could withstand fire from a similar weapon that was much more powerful.

These aren't acceptable evidence within a debate. For a solid assessment of proof, we need to look into character feats and technique feats. Character statements should only be used when they are supported by feats. For example, if we have a character say that X is faster than Y, we'd only accept it after the feat itself is proven. However, if a statement cannot be backed up by feats, it should be disregarded. A type of statement that can be accepted would sound like this:

(Paraphrased) Itachi (On Jiraiya): At best I can do is a stalemate, even increasing our numbers won't change that. (circa chapter 144)

Now for most of the manga, this was unsupported and would normally be thrown out (especially with Itachi's true allegiance being revealed). However, Jiraiya's feats later, specifically against Pain or Four-Tailed Naruto prove Itachi's statement, and thus why it would be accepted. In essence, if said statement can't be supported, it shouldn't be used.

Databooks should also be considered secondary evidence in this case, explaining how a technique works is fine, but it always will have some artistic flourish that isn't backed up by the manga itself. Anime-Only and Novel-Feats can be accepted too if said character's feats within anime or novels don't contradict said feats in the manga. For example: Naruto being able to throw a standard Rasengan will not be accepted evidence since it was only done within the anime and all of its uses in the manga contradict that. As for movies, if you're making a topic of a movie only character, said characters feats will be accepted. Otherwise, they aren't acceptable to apply to canon characters. The only exception would be feats from The Last: Naruto the Movie and Boruto: Naruto the Movie due to being canon movies. And finally, video game feats aren't accepted, since they're not canon in any sense and contradict the manga wildly.

How do they sound? 