Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-46828725-20200910033310/@comment-35409024-20200919014715

BloodOfTheArchon wrote: LMAO EMS Madara is not a God Tier Shinobi. Hashirama is sure but EMS Madara?? Fuck no.

Lol, said to be the only rival to the God of Shinobi. His name alone brought so much fear that every Shinobi nation teamed up to fight his name alone. Onoki, someone who can catch meteors feared him. The man who ran into an entire army of all the nations alone, and totally wrecked them with his physical prowess alone. Etc etc. Yea, totally not a god-tier shinobi. You high or something? Itachi doesn't have entire nations joining together and making armies to kill him. Enough said.

BloodOfTheArchon wrote: Only reason he was alive until that last battle at VotE was because Tobirama wasn't allowed to fight him and Hashirama kept letting him live.. he brought a subjugated Kurama, even combined it with his CB Susanoo and he STILL knew he was going to lose so he had Izanagi ready.

And he still fought evenly with Hashirama for as long as he did, and Hashirama didn't win with relative ease. The fact that anyone thinks Itachi can destroy someone easily when the God of Shinobi could not, is ridiculous. Also, Kurama is his summoning, just as Gamabunta is Naruto's, Jiraiya's, and Minato's. Therefore, it's apart of his kit regardless of what you think. What the writer gave him is what he gave him.

BloodOfTheArchon wrote: Madara's performance as an Edo Tensei is him using abilities he did not have before hand so those specific feats and abilities you can't even give to EMS Madara. Has EMS Madara and Hashirama ever been said or shown to be fast??

The same can be said about Itachi, so moot point. If we delete all his edo feats, what exactly has he done? Fought on par with Kakashi? Fought on par with pre ms Sasuke? Beat part 1 Orochimaru? All his best feats literally just become Genjutsu feats.

As for the rest of your... points. Nah. All those destructive jutsu are a real issue. Madara's Sharingan counters most Genjutsu. Everything is pretty much an issue. Itachi pre edo is Kakashi level at best feat wise. Whereas pre edo Madara feat wise is Hashirama level.