Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-43403813-20190907005521/@comment-38812954-20190927012904

Nah he alone should have been affected. There are two ways to view this: My way. your way.

My way:

"But then again the 6PoP does not transfer the enemies chakra or techniques back to Nagato so genjutsu whether sound or eyesight shouldn't be able to affect his brain since the enemies chakra won't reach him."

In the way I'm seeing it. It's not about chakra affecting chakra. It's about sound affecting your literal sense of hearing, and in nagato's case hearing and feeling. The pains themself most likely (to correct myself) can't hear. But through them. Nagato can. They instead only channel sound. With that said. It was Nagato's psyche alone then that should have been affected by the frog song. As the pains only channel sound. Nagato channels and feels it. He is the one not the pains that possesses the sense of sensation. My meaning? You don't stay still like a statue during a loud explosion. The frog song is basically like a loud explosion coming through dead human walkie talkies. The pains only channel sound they can't feel the effects of sound. Nagato channels sound and feels its effects. Hope I'm making sense (again)

To exaggerate further. The pains are basically like portals of sound for nagato. Each one. Two second pairs of ears. It's like nagato basically has mystical phone calls with friends and foes. For example him through the animal path talks to konan outside the leaf village. Him through tendo pain talks to Naruto. What konan says. Through the animal path he hears. What Naruto says. Through tendo he hears.

To the genjutsu scenario now using my case:

"Also, if Nagato was affected by Frog Song then he'd be unable to control the other Pains, so no he wasn't affected by it. Only the Pain bodies were."

Since he alone (in my case) was the one who could have capably been affected by it. He alone was to be seen in the spiritual plain of the genjutsu. And this is where jiraiya should have really discovered the pains secret instead of noticing it through yahiko and Co (those he met before). Nagato would then do one thing; dispel it. Seemingly the frog song stops when it's victim is caught in the spiritual plain. Here's the alternate scenario. Nagato and jiraiya would meet blah blah. At a certain point through him and jiraiya's dialogue exchanges, 'Jiraiya sensei.' 'Nagato!?' XXDDD. Nagato dispels the jutsu with rinne. It goes away. Jiraiya in the real world already took down the pain bodies that were summoned to fight him. With them being vulnerable because of momentary loss of control. And feels he would wander off freely back to konoha thinking that he destroyed all of nagato's play things. With Intel that there is a rinne user (to make it worst it's one of his former students) present in the world. Or. Rather. He would most likely prep himself (Out of awareness. While still urgently trying to go back to konoha) for an encounter with nagato himself thinking again, that since he's destroyed all his play toys (which is the opposite of true from his scope of awareness) nagato would show. Orrrr... he would go and search for nagato himself after discovering his secret there and then. Considering nagato a high level threat that has to be taken down because of his motivations, rinne and because of him being his former student. Being unaware that there are more pains. Nagato at the time when he dispeled the genjutsu would realize that something happened to the pains as he couldn't control them any more. Being aware of this and that jiraiya cracked his code. He spams the rest badda bing. Nakara path badda boom. Using my first two admissions of what would happen after jiraiya destroyed the pains. Nagato would search for jiraiya (with the pains). And with his rain tracking, or sensing jutsu. Eventually finds him in his escape. And they would encounter again, this time with all the pains present, 'Jiraiya boy. The ones we took down have been resurrected and to make matters worse there's more of them' 'Arggh. Nagato. To think that you've taken a liking to puppetry. Though a puppet jutsu of this level is unlike one i've ever experienced before. Considering that you have such powerful eyes anything is possible.' 'Jiraiya sensei. You've learned a bit too much. You have to die here and now.' 'Aauaah... Yahiko?!'..... Nagato. You fiend. You killed Yahiko to be apart of your collection of toys? Again. How low you've stooped... Hold on a second." *FLAM*... *FLAM*... *FLAM*... *FLAM*... *FLAM* -smashing sound effect as screen gets shots on all the other Pains- "Jiraiya boy what's the matter? The situation is dire now is not the time to be freezing out." "I've met all these people before. I'm sure of it."

Or if he doesn't find jiraiya considering jiraiya's mastery in sneaking. Jiraiya would be home free to konoha.

Your way:

In another way your chakra argument is valid. It could have been that the frog song distorted nagato's chakra flow in the pains. With his chakra along with the rinne, somewhat granting them their own psyches that were still under control (this contradicts my argument but).

It's a case of kankuro and his puppet or puppets. If you destroyed the crow for example kankuro wouldn't feel that effect but he would be aware of it (pretty obviously though). Nagato didn't feel the effects of the frog song but was aware that something was up. Probably noticing that he wasn't fully in control of the pains under the genjutsu anymore. And it's in this way he felt the distortion in his Chakra shared to them. Lack or loss of control. Hence the reason for him summoning the others to the scene.

Make sense?