Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150515175138/@comment-26403664-20150518191627

Shanky varma wrote: Firstly, Hagoromo fought ten tails along with his brother, who was almost as powerful as him..so don't put the entire credit on Hagoromo

secondly, ten tails fox can be relatively controlled/tamed/ sealed with the dojutsu, fuinjutsu, and six path sage skills madara posessed in his ultimate form

thirdly, madara as his peak was nearly as powerful as Hagoromo...one can't simply dismiss him just becasue hagoromo was a fabled legend

fourth, Hagoromo lived at a time when ninjutsu was evolving..sure he might have some obscure jutsus up his sleeve, (just like the case with Kaguya)but Madara was born at a time when ninjutsu had been developed to a great extent and he fought and worked hard his way up

fifth, Hagoromo had rinnegan (assume full mastery) - Madara had rinnegan (assume above average mastery), EMS (at his disposal), and a rinne sharingan on forehead....

finally as someone put it, ins ome other forum "Madara wins with high difficulty, and just so everyone knows, I'm not talking about Edo Tensei Uchiha Madara. No, I'm not talking about Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara. Hell, I'm not talking about Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara either. I'm talking about Kono Yo no Kyūseishu Futarime no Rikudō Juubi Jinchuuriki Gedou Rinne Tensei Uchiha Madara with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan (which is capable of Enton Amaterasu, Izanagi, Izanami and the Tsyukuyomi Genjutsu), his two original Rinnegan (which grant him Chikushōdō, Shuradō, Tendō, Ningendō, Jigokudō, Gakidō, Gedō, Banshō Ten'in, Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei, Tengai Shinsei and Banbutsu Sōzō) and a third Tomoe Rinnegan on his forehead, capable of using Katon, Fūton, Raiton, Doton, Suiton, Mokuton, Ranton, Inton, Yōton and even Onmyōton Jutsu, equipped with his Gunbai(capable of using Uchihagaeshi) and a Shakujō because he is a master in kenjutsu and taijutsu, a perfect Susano'o (that can use Yasaka no Magatama ), control of both the Juubi and the Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju's DNA and face implanted on his chest, his four Rinbo Hengoku Clones guarding him and nine Gudōdama floating behind him AFTER he absorbed Senjutsu from the First Hokage, entered Rikudō Senjutsu Mode, cast Mugen Tsukuyomi on everyone and used Shin: Jukai Kōtan so he can use their Chakra while they are under Genjutsu"..

pardon my sentence structuring and lack of manga knowledge Valid points. However it is said Hagaromo and Hamura battled then sealed the Ten Tails. Obviously there must have been some sort of fight before the actual sealing ritual. But Madara doesn't really have an mongekyou sharingan abilities other than Susanoo. Also once he's a ten tails jinchurriki kenjutsu doesn't really matter unless he uses the sword of nunoboku or the truht seeking staff but still. It seems to me that since Hagaromo has had the ten tails in him for most of his life he has more skill with it and has way more skill with sage mode and senjutsu. He also has six paths yin and yang releases, Madara has neither. The fact that Hagaromo gave Naruto and Sasuke the power to beat Kaguya makes me think he is way more powerful than we think. And even so I'm pretty sure we never saw the Ten Tails in it's final form, I'm assuming that was sealed into Hagaromo and the near complete ten tails was sealed into Madara.