Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180923003601

UltimaDude wrote: I'm not an alt, you would know that had you been on this wiki for a while instead of fleeing here from the NarutoForums to spread your (ironicly) debunked misconceptions. More baseless claims I see. I won’t entertain it tho. You can expect that thread to pick back up soon. So feel free to go over there and remind me how exactly ‘I fled’.

AsianReaper wrote: @Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki it was my second most recent reply.

What? How did I concede anything. You're the one who thinks the 9 Bijuu are necessary to use SPSM, I don't share that opinion.

Even if the 9 Bijuu are necessary for unlocking SPSM, it doesn't mean they're necessary to use SPSM. Just like you need Mangekyo SHaringan for Susanoo, but Madara could use that ability even without eyes.

But you've yet to prove that the 9 Bijuu are even necessary for using SPSM Again you rely on ambiguity for support of your claims. Either explain madara’ feat with evidence or basically you just made a false equivalence. My stance isn’t an opinion, obito, madara, the 9 biju, hagoromo, narration from the novels, and the databook all state what I’ve been stating. I have evidence. I asked you for evidence but all I was this:

AsianReaper wrote:1. How am I ignoring context? Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote: You define an image without its context, you are guilty of misinterpretation.

Maybe you believe I’m being bias and that’s why you aren’t receptive to the informative I provided or my stance on the current misconceptions that is the consensus. You don’t have to hear it from me, here’re numerous impartial source confirming my point.[www.587.claudiastrong.com/good-reads/cutlines/]   AsianReaper wrote:If anything, you're ignoring context. What exactly are you suggesting I haven’t considered. Especially regarding the image in question. I hope you aren’t going to try and argue in circles. AsianReaper wrote: You think that because the caption on the image isn't explicitly calling it SPSM, it isn't SPSM. Yet you're ignoring that the image and caption are literally being used on the SPSM page to display the feats of SPSM. You are wrong. Just because an impage is on a page doesn’t mean you get assume anything. You are refusing to accept the provided clarification of the image. You prefer to stick with ambiguity because that’s all you have here, a bunch of unknowns and ‘I think so’s. You are objectively wrong. AsianReaper wrote: All the caption says is Naruto could only accomplish kicking the Truth Seeking Orb was having a huge chakra, bigger than Kurama Mode. That doesn't say it isn't SPSM that granted him this. And since it's actually on the SPSM page, we know that the image and caption are describing SPSM. The image is there because it is relevant to rsm, but you haven’t stated that relevance. You’ve failed to understand the significance of the caption. You have been misinterpreting and guessing, where as the OP fully explains what that relevance is. Stop attaching your own meaning to the image and claiming it’s the true meaning. You will continue to be wrong if you don’t. AsianReaper wrote: 2. No you didn't. You think naruto had those eyes because he was building chakra to get his cloak. No, I said Naruto was gradually increasing his rikudo sage chakra until he had enough to enter rsm. AsianReaper wrote: Yet you were claiming earlier that lack of pigmentation comes from Kurama moulding Senjutsu chakra for him. Yes I said with the biju’ cooperation, juubi chakra was being kneaded inside of Naruto. AsianReaper wrote: So how did Naruto simply wake up with those eyes if Kurama was near death as well, with no way of moulding the Sage Chakra prior? What makes you think kurama was dying? Obito transferred over kurama to sustain Naruto’ life. This happened before Naruto woke up and started did those few feats with rikudo sage chakra. Recheck your timeline. The other half of kurama was never ‘dying’? AsianReaper wrote: Because Kurama moulding Senjutsu chakra doesn't change the pigmentation. Except I gave numerous examples where it does. You’ve been here over the course of the thread you’re familiar with those links and examples already. AsianReaper wrote: 3. At that point, Naruto still had enough Kurama chakra to form his Version 1 Cloak to block Amaterasu. And after that, Naruto fought almost til night. Way more than enough time for Kurama to start moulding some more to give Naruto Sage Mode. You’re recollections of the way time passed seems off. Chapter 697 pages 6 & 7 prove that both Naruto and Sasuke were low on chakra, on page 16 it reaches dusk and they’re still fighting. Page 18 kurama manages to make more chakra but Sasuke takes it. 698 page 3 kurama goes to sleep after giving Naruto the very last of his own chakra. This is when kurama is truly exhausted. What ensues in this chapter is the final jutsu clash that claimed one of their arms. Page 7 shows a full moon on a cloudy night. Both Sasuke and Naruto regained consciousness and are close to losing their lives. During the war kurama may have rested, but he never went to sleep. AsianReaper wrote: Besides, Naruto's KSM was already was stated to be Sage chakra being able to mix properly with Kurama's chakra. Yet it still had pigmentation. So Kurama chakra and sage chakra make cross slits with pigmentation. It doesn't make sense for his eyes to lack pigmentation based on who gathered it, especially since they're always using the same ingredients; sage chakra and Kurama's chakra. I already explained the difference, but it’s shown again in the same chapter 697 page 6. Kurama states that his own nature energy reached Naruto. There you have it. Naruto isn’t the one gathering and balancing nature energy in rsm. Later we see Naruto entering sage mode multiple times while gathering his own nature energy and while kurama gathers that energy. Each time Naruto gathered the nature energy, rings appear. Each time kurama gathers and shares nature energy, there are no rings. You have the evidence you need to understand the difference.