Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-5273810-20150721161252/@comment-26773508-20150813094337

BlueLantern1995 wrote: QuakingStar wrote: Kakashi beats P2 Gaara. P2 Gaara couldn't even stand up to Obito 1v1 but Kakashi did just that Quakingstar you really think Part 1 Kakashi can beat Gaara Part 2? Part 2 Kakashi vs Gaara Part 2 I'll give you(DMS Kakashi even more so), but Part 1 Kakashi? Nah to weak for that considering has the worst combat record of the entire cast of Naruto I think you're giving him a bit to much credit.

The Obito fight is inadmissible, first of all Obito was handicapped during the fight as it took place in the Kamui dimension and as such he could not phase like he could vs Gaara. If Gaara was in the dimension vs Obito, Gaara would stand more of a chance of winning than Kakashi ever could no contest on this account. Secondly, Obito let him win this has been proven in the manga. He needed the seal on his heart broken and used Kakashi to do it as Madara noted. Obito also was able to leave when Kakashi was at virtually no chakra and thus if he had stayed a second longer he could have killed Kakashi then and there.

As Kakashi has 1 win without help(the only time without help would be Kakashi vs Zabuza in Part 2) or being allowed to win(Obito), I think it should come as no surprise I have 0 respect for his combat ability. As far as I'm concerned in Part 1 he was one of the weakest Jonin named, in the Village Hidden in the Leaves. Do you mean to say that Part 1 Kakashi was the weakest recognizable jonin in Konoha's entire history, or do you mean during Part 1 only? Because Kakashi was repeatedly mentioned in Part 1 as the strongest jonin available in Konoha during that time, with Tsunade gambling her way through foreign lands while Jiraiya was too busy being peeking on naked women and banging hookers abroad. So during the beginning of Part 1, the only Konoha jonin stronger than Kakashi was Guy, after the Sanin that is.

However, if you're referring to all the jonins we know about throughout Konoha's history, then yes Part 1 Kakashi is weak as hell. Even his father's hype is wayyyyy above his own feats, just like Asuma. It's also true that in Part 2 we've never seen Kakashi dominating in any fight. There was that one little chance to show Kakashi dominating in his fight, which was his fight against the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist. Kishi hyped up the coming chapters by saying that Kakashi would no longer hold back after sealing Zabuza and go on a full rampage against the Seven Swordsmen, then trolled our asses by omitting the whole fight.

But still, I think Part 1 Kakashi has the skill and the strength to defeat Part 1 Gaara. His sharingan could be put to good use against Shukaku should Gaara unleash him. And as others have noted, Part 1 Kakashi was faster than Sasuke who was able to outmanoeuvre Gaara's sand shield. Part 1 Kakashi probably can't defeat Part 2 Gaara, but I think Part 2 Kakashi can, even without the sharingan.