Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-44455926-20191119200613

I disagree with the fact that SM Naruto is stronger than ISM Jiraiya with Ma and Pa. Naruto's sage mode is perfect and he can use it for a decent amount of time, his speed and strenght are great but every feat Naruto shows, Jiraiya is *atleast* an equal in. Their speed and strenght should be around the same, the only thing Naruto's perfect sage mode beats Jiraiyas in is chakra and duration of SM, these weaknesses disappear with ma and pa being on Jiraiyas shoulders and collecting natural energy for him, making sure he'll stay in SM while fighting, meaning Jiraiya could probably stay in SM even longer than Naruto. Furthermore, Jiraiya has much more jutsu at his disposal, some which Naruto couldn't counter. The rasenshuriken (Naruto's strongest weapon) should be easy to avoid since people like Kakuzu and some Paths of Pain (which are all be slower than SM Jiraiya) avoided it. Jiraiya had every disadvantage a guy could have in the fight against Pain while Naruto came in with 15 toads, fought basically just 5 of the paths which were weakened by that point (By Nagatos massive Shinra Tensei) So SM Jiraiya>SM Naruto with facts.

EDIT: PAIN ARC SM NARUTO VS SM JIRAIYA 