Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-25265296-20150827064037/@comment-5936871-20150831184526

@WindStar7125 Based on the comment section on that page that you linked. That interview was done more than 3 years ago. That means, the war arc would either still be early or halfway done, nowhere near the end yet. Kishimoto stating Madara had no weakness back then doesn't mean Madara is unbeatable and Kaguya was his way of defeating Madara. That's like saying if Kishimoto said the same thing about Pain and tried to apply that statement to the present.

Kaguya was much stronger than Madara was anyway and could have killed Naruto and Sasuke much easier than Madara could have if she wanted too (A user above made a list of chaps and instances). Back in the Pain Arc, Pain was called a God and said to have never lost a fight and to be unbeatable with no weakness.

"Nagato's position as the leader of Akatsuki was well-deserved, being its strongest member and, as Pain, being called unbeatable at different points by Konan,[26] Fukasaku,[27] Tobi,[28] and Zetsu.[29]" - Nagato's page with it's sources cited. Yet despite this, this is later proven incorrect when Nagato's Pains are all indeed defeated and shown to have weaknesses. Even Nagato himself wasn't unbeatable and was capable of being defeated.

Susanoo was hyped up to be a defense above any other, by the end of the Manga. Susanoos were getting smacked around and destroyed like nothing (Hashirama vs. Madara, TTJ Obito vs. TBSM Naruto and SS Sasuke, and Kaguya vs. SPSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke). Amaterasu was stated to be flames as hot as the sun and inextinguishable. A took those flames like a boss and just cut his own arm off, Gaara's sand blocked the flames, TTJ Obito and Madara with no eyes just negated them, and Kaguya absorbed them. So there is instances in which something is hyped up earlier on in the series or by the creator a long time ago, and later changed later on in the series.

From a Manga perspective, both SPSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke were overwhelming TTJ Madara the whole time. Right before they fight, Madara states let this be the final battle and see who's powers are greater. With the chapter itself stating "The Ultimate Clash!" at the end. This happened in chapter 673.

In chapter 674, as their fight ensues, Madara says he realizes that they're no longer regular kids. Madara later runs to get his other Rinnegan so he can initiate Infinite Tsukuyomi and survive. Sasuke appears and slashes him in half with Madara saying "You're indeed quite fast Sasuke". Madara resurfaces in chapter 676 and 677 and uses four Limbo clones and multiple Chibaku Tenseis which both Naruto and Sasuke counter without getting hurt at all.

So even if you want to argue that Madara wasn't going "all out" and didn't try to kill them for some reason (when they were the main ones in his way and he just called this battle the final battle). That doesn't explain how the "unbeatable" Madara was sent through the Shinju by Naruto, impaled by Sasuke, restrained by them both, and then bisected by Sasuke. So if he's so unbeatable and they didn't stand a chance against him why did those events happen and why he did himself acknowledge that he had to take them seriously? Let's not forget to note that Sasuke's Rinnegan wasn't fully developed yet and Naruto only had half of Kurama the whole time and never bothered to make a clone to absorb a shitton of natural energy to supercharge himself, or create clones to make his Asura-like TBM avatar, nor did Naruto use TBM or his Sage Art Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken attack once.

So clearly what Kishi said then was just overhype to make us more excited for the final arc and final battles. If Kishi literally comes out and says "Yes I created Kaguya since I couldn't think of a way to beat Madara" then I will shut up and deal with it. But until then, that more than 3 years old interview isn't proof. So even though I still believe Madara would beat them both individually, it would be no means easy, and once they're adults and in their prime. With Naruto now having all of Kurama and Hashirama's arm and assuming Sasuke would have mastered his Rinnegan by now and with his new space-time dojutsu. I believe they either tie or defeat him with very high difficulty.

They also still have their powers from Hagoromo, Naruto literally used SPSM in Gaiden and in the Boruto movie (The wiki's pages say it and it doesn't even need too, if you read Gaiden or saw the movie it's literally done). If Naruto kept his powers, why would Sasuke not keep his Six Paths Power? Cause he didn't use it? Naruto didn't use SPSM once in The Last, yet he had it in Gaiden and the Boruto movie. So that means nothing. The only temporary power they got was the seals used to seal Madara and Kaguya. The rest of their powers are permanent (aside from Naruto losing his TSBs).