Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-34194151-20180923005756

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Like I said idk what to tell you. it's hard to believe we are looking at the same manga panel. We clearly see nagato isn't standing in the smoke. He is several feet in front of it. That same nagato reacted to attacks coming out of smokescreens, so what is your excuse now? Naruto threw a gigantic smokescreen in front of nagato and yet nagato reacted to the rasenshuriken coming out of it just fine lol. In fact naruto used smokescreens multiple times against nagato and he formed a reaction each and every time. yet now when itachi uses a smokescreen, nagato can't react. It means the totsuka blade is faster than the rasenshuriken at the very least, as nagato reacted to one at point-blank range after it came out of a smokescreen, just fine. You still haven't addressed these points.

2) Idk what to tell you. I just cited evidence of kakashi admitting he couldn't compete with a god tier. I guess kaguya is smarter than kakashi. and my point about itachi>oro> kakashi still stands, don't see how its a debate. it's canon. orochimaru tried to compete with itachi and then was forced to leave the akatsuki lol, enough said. and I'm willing to take a leap of faith with some headcanon- I'm pretty sure orochimaru outright stated itachi was his superior, I hope that you won't make me actually look for the chapter because I'm sure it exists. Orochimaru has oral rebirth in part one if I remember correctly, because we saw him using it on kid kabuto in a flashback. even if kakashi could kill orochimaru it does not prove that he couldn't compete due to being an inferior strategist. Like, how does this logic even hold up? It goes without saying that shikamaru cannot compete with hashirama in battle even though shikamaru is smarter than him. There is still combat experience, there is still speed, reflexes, power, skill, and several more relevant reasons why you wouldn't be able to compete someone in combat. next you will be saying that shikamaru can "compete" with hashirama in 1v1 fair combat because he is smarter.

3) I call bias on you. Why? because we have canon statements of obito being wary of itachi, and statements of him hiding information from itachi in fear that the information would lead to itachi killing him. Information is only half the battle, yet obito conceded he would have been dead to itachi will full knowledge. You don't hide your trump card from someone you see as a non-threat. Obito specfically stated he hid the information from itachi, that's why he called it his "fail-safe". At this point I can cite all of the statements and you still will ignore them, just like you ignored most of my other important points. It's just your opinion that itachi was below obito when all the evidence suggests otherwise. You even now grasp at straws with deidara, sasori, hidan, and kakazu, who were all allies of obito. Obito wasn't even an official "member" of the akatsuki until sasori died, he was out roaming doing his own thing, and he only checked in with konan and nagato every so often. Obito was the one who recruited itachi directly, and obito immediately recognized itachi as a threat, but he took itachi in because it allowed him to get sharingan eyes plus a capable member for capturing bijuu. obito and itachi had an understanding. once the clock ran out and itachi was ready to die, most of the bijuu captured, and half the akatsuki dead, only then did obito resume his origninal plans the way he wanted, which was allowing pain to burn konoha into the ground. If itachi wasn't a thorn in his side, pain destroys most konoha in part one and then there is no plot lol. Konan only knew so much about obito because they were together from the beginning, and there is no telling how many missions they went on together when the akatsuki was still a 4 man organization of tobi, nagato, konan, and zetsu. and we know that the akatsuki has gone through many member changes over the years, so that's plenty of time for konan to have observed obito, until obito decided to step into the shadows and let nagato run the day to day activites. You have no proof of your claim that itachi had access to info about kamui when all the evidence suggests otherwise, but if you do I'm happy to hear it.

You don't have to address my point, but don't say I'm biased when I have used facts here. and while I was wrong on some of these facts, I corrected myself when it was clear I was proven wrong and have offered a new argument. If you provide facts like you and others did before there is no reason why I wouldn't be able to take your argument into consideration.