Talk:Amaterasu: Flame Wrapping Fire

Needed?
Do we really need this? Plus, it was never called a Blaze Release, only Kagutsuchi. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:07, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * At most it should have an article, but calling it Blaze Release is stretching, because as far as we know, it's not.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 22:41, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

At the very least, we should call it a Fire Release due to Amaterasu being involved. Master Shannara November 29, 2009
 * I agree, as Amaterasu is involved, but the shape of Amatersu is suspicious to me, as normal flames wouldn't usually connect from one rib of Susanoo to the other. --GoDai (talk) 04:43, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Name
In the last episode, karin said, It's something, like "kuroi hi no tate" - shield of the black flames Rudis (talk) 13:41, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't oppose using it as the name, but I do think it's more of a description than it is an actual name. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:02, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Blaze or Fire Release?
Is this a Blaze Release? I think it is, due to the manipulation of black fire itself is "Blaze Release", not just Kagutsuchi. The simple Amaterasu, which does not include shape manipulation, is "fire", and the highest level of Fire Release, but manipulating the black fire (Kagutsuchi, Amaterasu Shield) should be "Blaze". Yatanogarasu 22:57, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with this reasoning. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:37, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Going from the Blaze Release article this sounds about right.--Cerez☺ (talk) 01:38, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

The name again
So, the name was mentioned in said episode, sí? Seelentau 愛議 22:06, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

I don't remember it actually having been given a name, but I do remember Karin saying something like him creating a shield of black flames to halt A's attack. Skitts (talk) 22:17, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Karin gave it a description-like name. I confirmed it with ShounenSuki, the topic should be somewhere it the last couple of my talk page archives. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:30, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

What is the shield?
Considering what Karin described, which is just the "shield of black flames", that means that the shield is only the black flames. This would mean that Susanoo is not quite a parent technique to this. Similarly, we don't consider Susanoo a parent technique to Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi. Does anyone oppose removing Susanoo as the parent technique to this? I would consider this to be a parent technique to BR:K (or maybe related) more than I consider Susanoo to be a parent to this. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:34, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Well, I dunno if he can use "shield of black flames" without Susanoo ; ) --Elveonora (talk) 22:46, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

i think the shield was the susanoo ribcage coated with the amateratsu flames the shield part was the susanoo --Nitram86 (talk) 23:01, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, there's no Shield of Black Flames either without Susanoo or Amaterasu. It's basically 2 techniques used together I think it can stay as a parent technique or related/delivered or something --Elveonora (talk) 23:04, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

My reason to question this is because Karin called it "of black flames", which can be understood as only the flames being part of the shield, like a two-fold defence. Think Ōnoki and Gaara's sand shield and rock golem, or Dodai and the Fourth Division's rock and rubber wall. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:20, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

My thought is that the black flames are a shield on their own, Susanoo is just something for Sasuke to attach them to, since he probably wouldn't coat himself in Amaterasu, which makes Susanoo a backup defence like Gaara's sand armour. TricksterKing (talk) 00:59, April 7, 2012 (UTC)