Talk:Storm Release

Interesting... Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:18, September 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Indeed Geohound (talk) 20:32, September 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Combining jutsu is something anyone can do, but combining elemental chakra is something only someone with a Kekkei Genkai can do (i.e. Haku, Tenzou). Are you sure about this one? It's a pretty big deal if it's true.


 * We already know Darui can use lightning and water-based jutsu, so it's not much of a logical leap to conclude that this is a combo of the two. However, the odds of this being confirmed anytime soon are not high. (I think the components of Lava Release were revealed a year after the fact.) ~SnapperTo 22:15, September 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * The problem I'm having is that there's nothing to go off of besides the term Ranton. Seeing how that part of the technique title can vary depending on the kind of technique (hijutsu, ninpo, Katon, ect), I really don't think just the term Ranton alone is enough to conclude that Darui must be combining elements. It could merely be a clan technique, or something Darui created himself. I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong, as it might turn out to be true later, but I do think it's a really big jump to go from "Ranton" to "Darui must be combining water and lightning chakra." Not only does no one actually say that's what he's doing, but it also assumes that the elements that make it up are water and lightning, which is also something nobody mentions. It's pure guesswork, with nothing to actually back it up.


 * The -ton suffix usually denotes elemental techniques, and since Ranton isn't a basic element, the most logical assumption is that it's an advanced element, and it makes sense when you consider the elements Darui has. He was even able to use two techniques from different elements at the same time. I'm not surprised with this kekkei genkai. Hopefully we won't need to wait until the fourth data book is released. Maybe an artbook, we got info on 3 jinchurikis and 4 tailed beasts with it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:32, September 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * The second artbook came out 5(?) years after the first. You're better off hoping for another databook. Also, Darui has a tattoo for each element on each arm, somewhat reflecting Yamato's "earth with my right hand, water with my left" explanation of Mokuton. ~SnapperTo 22:56, September 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Except that he didn't use two at the same time, he used one directly after another. Sarutobi did the same thing in his fight with Orochimaru. That's not combining elemental chakra, that's doing a Collaboration jutsu with yourself.


 * Again, I just don't think the term "Ranton" alone justifies calling elemental fusion Kekkei Genkai. Not just because the two main points of the article (it's combining elemental chakra, the two elements used are lightning and water) are pure assumptions, and have nothing to back them up, but also because we just saw another new -ton technique in this very chapter (Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi). One that is clearly not a combination of two elemental chakras. So the argument that it's a -ton doesn't really work either, as we have a clear example of a new -ton that only involves one element, if it involves any elements at all.


 * Besides, all the -tons literally translate into [BLANK] Release, and Storm Release doesn't sound like an elemental fusion to me so much as it does a really advanced lightning technique. Just like how Blaze Release is probably just a really advanced fire technique.


 * That's just my two cents, and we could discuss what X or Y does or does not mean if we liked. But my bottom line is that I'm just really, really not seeing the evidence needed to back the claim up. It's just not there. You've literally got the name of one jutsu to go off of. Nothing else. As it stands right now, I really don't see how we could make any sort of call, because we literally know nothing about it. --Lord Raine (talk) 23:01, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, he did use two techniques at the same time, see here, he's using the Suiton technique, and while he's doing it, he's already finished with the hand seals of the Raiton technique, you can see the sparks in his hand at the same time the water is coming out of his mouth. That's at the same time for me. About the Enton, there is very few information about it, it has as much chance of being a combination as it has of not being, though I do think it's not one, see my idea over at Talk:Blaze Release. I agree that Storm isn't my first idea when I think Lightning + Water, but considering what was seen, it fits, it makes sense. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:34, September 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * The Xton prefixes have always denoted the element of the technique. This has been consistent throughout the entire ten-year run of the manga. Kishimoto-sensei is not going to change that, especially not after explaining in-depth how elements work. Both Storm Release and Blaze Release are elements, full stop.


 * Storm Release is actually easy to explain: Water = Rain; Rain + Lightning = Storm. Blaze Release is somewhat more difficult, but it could simply be a more powerful version of Fire Release. This would make sense, since Amaterasu is the most extreme form of fire we've seen in the manga, so mere Fire Release wouldn't be enough to manipulate and control it. --ShounenSuki (talk 12:33, September 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * He did not use two different elemental jutsu simultaneously. He used a water jutsu, and then used a lightning jutsu while the first was still in effect. He still had to cast them separately in sequence. When he performs a water and lightning combination by using water chakra in one hand and lightning chakra in the other literally simultaneously like Yamato did, then I'll believe that he might be combining elements. Until then, or until the manga or a databook outright says that Darui can fuse elements, the idea that Storm Release is a fusion of water and lightning is pure fanon. Making sense isn't enough to make it fact. As a wiki, I like to think that the Narutopedia is beyond claiming conjecture to be truth in it's articles.Altered Nova (talk) 21:24, September 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Him starting the techniques at different moments doesn't change the fact that while he actively used two different techniques at the same time, they were both active at the same time, both techniques requiring active use. As for the combining of elements, it's what it's been said already, the Storm Release jutsu used later seems to be it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:48, September 18, 2009 (UTC)