Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-44455926-20191119200613/@comment-33286580-20191124222850

LoliSlayer315 wrote: @Nashikeine

Jiraiya is no speedster indeed but with the 2-3 scenes we see him use his speed, he's definitely superior to each individual Pain in speed and strenght who managed to avoid the rasenshuriken by just jumping away from it, of course Nagato couldn't save every body but Jiraiya doesn't have to focus on so many bodies, if Jiraiya is on a distance Pain was, in an open field, dodging it would be no problem.

You didnt seem to see the point i made. Pein didnt avoid Rasenshuriken by simply jumping. he disrupted the Jutsu by the Bird Summons. Rasenshuriken by then hadnt truly released its full power (or more like the sphere it forms to be precise, hard to put in words).

Yes. Jiraiya has a decent speed. no doubt, but he is not Raikage fast or close to truly get out of Rasenshuriken's spheres way.

LoliSlayer315 wrote: Second, how will Naruto kill Ma and Pa on Jiraiyas shoulders if he doesn't already kill Jiraiya himself? Naruto can't push or pull objects around like Deva can.

there are many more ways to kill Ma and Pa than simply using Pull and Push power you know. Naruto doesnt even have to kill. he simply has to attack in the time interval and disrupt the harmony between the two.

LoliSlayer315 wrote: That super long time you said takes Ma and Pa to perform the genjutsu is about 5 minutes, neither did Jiraiya hide but just wait for the Pains to come towards him. There was no hiding there besides retreating and creating a strategy.

Jiraiya retreated because he needed to make sure Ma and Pa werent disturbed when they worked on their syncro jutsu. My 'Hiding' word essentially meant retreat for the time being. So it just proves my above point. Ma and Pa really need to pull of the syncro and in an open field that is next to impossible given how long it takes.

LoliSlayer315 wrote: Naruto has never used Ma and Pa in any battle other than against Pain and they weren't even summoned, they just went along. Ma and Pa wouldn't be nearly as useful to Naruto as they were to Jiraiya, They can't collect chakra for him neither can they do collab jutsu. So even if Naruto had one Ma and Pa of his own it wouldn't change the battle much, Naruto probably wouldn't even consider summoning them.

first of all, the only reason Ma and Pa werent that useful to Naruto against Pein was because Naruto was effectively taking out Pein bodies left and right with little bit of help.

Second, Ma and Pa couldnt sync with him because of Kurama. if Kurama is not a factor than they can easily sync with him and that means endless supply of Sage Mode for Naruto too.

and that is just the start.

LoliSlayer315 wrote: Jiraiya managed to hide his presence from the rinnegan, He can summon and hide in barriers within his toads, hiding his presence completely, he isn't one of the best spies in the Narutoverse for no reason.

Dude. the sensory abilities of SM far surpasses Rinnegan sensory abilities. Rinnegan doesnt even have sensory abilities.

the hiding in the toad was found by a Sensory Jutsu by Pein.

it is almost impossible to hide from SM Naruto who can sense every person miles away on the battlefield.

LoliSlayer315 wrote: Now, if y'all wanna start including Kurama and stuff like that what's the point of comparing Sage Jiraiya with Sage Naruto? In an actual fight Jiraiya could take out Naruto before he even enters Sage mode. Bloodlust Jiraiya just rips Naruto apart, Kurama can't do anything.

first of all. this is SM vs SM. so i like to think that start as SM.

and Kurama is an integral factor of Naruto. if you ignore him, a whole new array of abilities oppen up for Naruto. Like syncing with the toads as i said before.

Jiraiya would rip Naruto even with Kurama. LOLLLLL.

have u forgotten that 4tailed second stage Jinchuriki mode Naruto almost freaking Killed Jiraiya.

LoliSlayer315 wrote:
 * Crushing* Toad Stomach.I'd pay money to see Naruto struggle around in the stomach, trying to create shadow clones so he can actually pull off rasenshuriken, Now if a massive rasengan could blow up the big toad? Maybe, but i can't really imagine Naruto creating a rasenshuriken in that situation.

The Crushing TOad Stomach doesnt instantly crush you. if it did it would have made a mince meat of Itachi and Kisame. you can easily move around if you have the right kind of power. SM Naruto is powerful. SO all he has to do is form clones and form a Odama Rasengan or Rasenshuriken and blast through.

LoliSlayer315 wrote: We're comparing Pain Arc Naruto and Jiraiya since he already "surpassed" Jiraiya by that point and is considered much stronger for some reason. There are also many factors we didn't talk about like intel that would probably be a bigger advantage for Jiraiya than Naruto. Again i'll point out that i don't think SM Jiraiya is much stronger than SM Naruto, or at all, but there are many situations where he could take the win and not just get taken out in one second without any resistance like many people here seem to think.

the thing is OP didnt specify with Naruto we are talking about.

and even then the general consensus is that Pein Arc Naruto in a 10 match series will probably lose a couple or so times to Jiraiya because of the man's experience.