Talk:Sasuke Uchiha

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Susanoo flight?
At what point in 676 did Sasuke's Susanoo fly? He was clearly jumping with it.--Reliops (talk) 20:04, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * And changing direction mid-air? ...--Elveonora (talk) 22:50, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, in chapter 677, Sasuke's Susanoo is clearly flying! --Sir M (talk) 16:28, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Rinnegan inofobox icon
It is possible to change a infobox icon of Sasuke's Rinnegan from generic purple one to his own version ? 従え！ 09:26, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Yata Mirror?
There's never been a mention of it but is that the Yata Mirror in this pic? http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130919130943/naruto/images/b/ba/Sasuke_EMS%27s_Susanoo.png Arrancar79 (talk) 23:35, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe it was stated somewhere that the shield there is actually a bigger version of the Susanoo's bow weapon, with a shield-like appearance. Atrix471 (talk) 23:42, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Why are we acting like it's not confirmed that Sasuke's Rinnegan allows him to resist Infinite Tsukuyomi?
I just noticed in the artice that it says it maybe the reason he can resist it be but in every single translation I've read it outright states that his Rinnegan is what allows Sasuke and his Susanoo too resist the effects of the Infinite Tsukuyomi.--Thdyingbreed (talk) 15:22, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * From the article: "Black Zetsu also alluded that Sasuke's Rinnegan may be the reason why he was able resist the influence of the Infinite Tsukuyomi."--~Ultimate Supreme  15:29, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

The more correct version would be like "Black Zetsu stated that Sasuke's Rinnegan is the reason as why he is able to resist the Infinite Tsukuyomi"

The one currently suggests we don't know the reason when we do know the reason which is do too his Rinnegan.--Thdyingbreed (talk) 13:28, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke's Rinnegan Color
How do we know for sure that red is the color of his sharingan, I mean the official color volume isn't out yet. I mean I know there has been some fans who have been able to give the manga color, but I don't think official. Or is there an official color manga already out that's canon that shows what color his eye is?????--Ankhael (talk) 11:48, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * The Weekly Shōnen Jump has released a colored version of chapter #676 which depicts that Sasuke's Rinnegan is red-colored. And it's considered official like chapter #638. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 11:55, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Oh ok, thanks well I guess this raise more questions about rinnegan. Maybe sasuke has the ultimate form of rinnegan.. --Ankhael (talk) 11:59, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Oh yeah what about, shinju beast, kaguya, and Madara's third eye?--Ankhael (talk) 12:01, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

@Shak, now you confuse me... was chapter 676 part of the digital volume release of the whole manga or a separate thing? Because if it was the digital volume coloration, then that's not really canon no matter how official. Once the volume cover comes out and it depicts Sasuke's Rinnegan as purple, then that's canon--Elveonora (talk) 12:04, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Elve-kun. If you read the chapter's article trivia section. You'll understand what I'm saying and I didn't say canon. @Ankhael: Shinju's eye is red according to volume #64 cover. Madara's third eye is also red from the same chapter. For Kaguya's eye, no colored version of it. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 12:11, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Latest chapter pretty much confirms that Madara's third eye also is a Rinnegan, therefore so is Kaguya's and Kaguya's presumably the same as Shinju's, so the eye most likely indeed is red, although I still would like a volume cover confirmation :)--Elveonora (talk) 12:30, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

I'm new and just want to say, sasuke's rinnegan is nine tomoed, see 673 there's 3 row of magatamas, should be nine right? Rizki2013 (talk) 18:04, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * This has been discussed. It's the general consensus that since the six tomoe depiction is more common that it's the correct number. Also, this has its own thread on Sasuke's talk page and the Rinnegan one. Atrix471 (talk) 18:07, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * I wonder when Elveonora will realize that the volume covers are done by the same people who do the digital releases? But of course, cherry picking is easier, I suppose. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 18:20, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna assume every tomoe Rinnegan is also red, because of the Ten-Tails' eye and Sasuke's. But I'm just a crazy person.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 18:22, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Apparently we both are. I mean, even by Elveonora's logic (which makes no sense, but for the sake of this argument, I'll entertain it), the Shinju's eye was colored red in a volume cover not all that long ago. But, of course, Kishimoto might've suddenly decided to color it rainbow (and then had Shueisha do it for him, since he doesn't color his manga), and then we'd have to change that. Pity. /sarcasm I'll add it to the article. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 18:25, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

@Foxie, are you 100% sure those volume covers are done by the digital guys, like 100% or just your intuition?--Elveonora (talk) 18:49, May 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Absolutely 100% certain. Kishimoto decides the colors but he doesn't color them himself. The publisher ultimately makes the final call (as is the case anytime you write anything and publish it through a publisher) and then they have an art team that does the colorings. If I'm not mistaken, Kishimoto's assistant has done a color page before, but I'm not certain if that is true or not. What I do know is that he doesn't color the volume covers. The publisher does. He also does not do the color pages. The publisher decides when it is appropriate and does it themselves. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 19:15, May 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, just to inform you guys, we're probably going to see the color of Sasuke's Rinnegan next week because there's going to be a center-color page and a poster in the chapter. Here's the link. Anyway, my money's definitely on red.--The Zeitgeist (talk) 20:05, May 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Again, the people that do those pages are the same ones that have been putting out the other colorings. It will be red, the same as it always has been. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 20:10, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok guys, so which variant is more official? The one from the coloring, or the one from the cover page? Right now it seems as though the purple variant is considered official in the article. Xfing (talk) 16:34, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

This is an old topic. The volume cover has shown it is purple. End of story. WindStar7125  (Talk) (Contributions) 16:41, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Chidori Eisō?
Didn't find it was discussed before. Who decided Sasuke used Chidori Eisō both the latest chapter and to bisect Madara? He is obviously using partial Susanoo transformation, only it is Susanoo's sword rather than hand this time. Faust-RSI (talk) 14:53, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how small you think the Susanoo's sword is, but that was definitely not the Susanoo sword. Sasuke can't just manifest a sword, he needs to manifest the rib-cage, the arm and then the sword IN the hand. He can't avoid steps. Atrix471 (talk) 14:59, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * The latest events just show that he CAN, both avoid steps AND resize the sword. It looks nothing like Chidori Eisō. Faust-RSI (talk) 15:06, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * It looks exactly like Chidori Sharp Spear. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:14, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * May you remind me since when Eiso has a guard and blade-like shape? Faust-RSI (talk) 15:37, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * For quite a while now actually. It already had sword-like shape tens of chapters back--Elveonora (talk) 15:44, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe I missed it, but what about gourd? It's hard to miss, I'm pretty sure he never had it.Faust-RSI (talk) 15:48, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * There's no gourd, at least I can't see it. Chapter/page?--Elveonora (talk) 15:53, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Counting colour spread as one page, it 7 page, the best is the last frame after Sasuke teleported. You can clearly see the guard and the grip. Faust-RSI (talk) 15:59, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Check the technique's manga debut. It looked like that when he pierced Oro too.--Elveonora (talk) 16:06, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ok, found it, thanks. Faust-RSI (talk) 16:09, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Rinnegan's unmentioned ability...
I've read through Sasuke's Abilities section and I want to point something out. In chapter 678, page 4 it implies that Sasuke's Rinnegan has the ability to see the into the dreams of the shinobi trapped in the Infinite Tsukuyomi. It looks the same as the first person view as the Byakugan, the colour is just not inverted, as seen in the official coloured version. Should it be mentioned or is it trivial? Sparxs77 (talk) 20:42, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * That is not him looking into them. It is done to show us what some of the victims are going thought. Similer to Narutos sage training he was feeling a sense of danger for his village and we kept on seeing the village under attack. Does that mean he has super vision?
 * Besides what does seeing a into a persons IT dream have to do with him teleporting"?" around the battlefeild before the IT is cast? --Darkhunter-X (talk) 21:02, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, no. Kishi was just showing us some of the Allied Shinobi Forces' dreams. Sasuke's Rinnegan had nothing to do with it. WindStar7125 (talk) 21:03, June 6, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125

New part II pic
How about using this from the latest episode, as his infobox part II pic? He looks a bit angry maybe, but at least not so close-up as the other one. --Kasan94  Talkpage 21:57, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Seems better than the current image. It looks good as well and it's rare that we find a smiling Sasuke image. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 22:31, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll change it then --Kasan94 Nara Symbol.svg Talkpage 23:36, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Granted the art of the image is not as good as the previous one, but this is a better image. The other one was too up-close in his face, and you couldn't see the top of his head. The Obito image has the same problem, and I think that should be changed as well. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 23:57, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * The new image has shadow all over his face and is unsuitable because of it.
 * I like this, or at least I like it better than the current or previous. ~SnapperTo 18:15, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * I would still say I prefer the current one. Yes it has shadows on his face (maybe we'll get a better one in the next few episodes). But I just thinks he looks more..... alive.. In the one you suggested he have very dead eyes, as far as I think. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol.svg Talkpage 21:56, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, I think we can find a better Part II image than the current one, but I don't like Snapper's image, mainly because he looks exhausted and barely awake. And though the art of the prior image was spectacular, it was too zoomed in on Sasuke's face, where as the Part I image shows all of Sasuke's head, and I think both images need to be consistent with how much of the character they show (and that goes for every character's infobox images). --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 02:33, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well at least the next chapter will probably feature Sasukes group in the entire chapter, so maybe we get lucky there --Kasan94 Nara Symbol.svg Talkpage 08:24, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why wait? Why hope for luck? Why not find some other image from one of the other 300 episodes of Shippuden that does not have the current's shadows? ~SnapperTo 07:29, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

I got some good pics from episode 366 of Sasuke close up. I'll upload them and you guys can choose what you want. They are Here and also here

WindStar7125  18:19, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke's part II image was just changed last week, there's really no need to change it again. Besides, between stretching and a bit of blurriness, none of these are the same quality as the current image. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:00, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

I just put in a better quality image. Somebody was deleting my uploads, so it forced my hand. WindStar7125  18:13, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

I don't like the one you have put up now, He just looks wrong. I'm changing it back, until we reach an agreement on this point, and please don't change it until we agree on something here. --Kasan94  Talkpage 21:18, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Well, what was wrong with it? WindStar7125  21:25, June 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * His hair covers to much of his face I think, if you try and compare to the current one. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol.svg Talkpage 21:28, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
 * But the current image does not really look too much like Sasuke- the character model just looks "off." I propose we change it back to WindStar's image until we can find a perfect picture that satisfies everyone. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 01:24, June 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree.--The Zeitgeist (talk) 04:54, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

That's exactly what I thought, Kirin98. WindStar7125  05:55, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't agree with you on this one bit. But if it's the opinion of the majority then I'll have to go along with it. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol.svg Talkpage 08:35, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why are people changing the image just because they can? I see literally no consensus here for any of the suggested images and if I can find the image that was being used long before this message was added, I'll add it back in (assuming it even exists). Also, why is there an obsessive need to keep changing the image in the infobox? Pick one and leave it there. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 08:43, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * File:Sasuke Shippuden.png ~SnapperTo 08:46, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * But the problem is that it is too zoomed in onto his face, and you can't see his entire head like you can in the Part I image. It's inconsistent. We had the same problem with the Obito image, and that was fixed, and so therefore, I think this should as well. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 17:43, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * It might be zoomed in "too close", but it's the image that had a consensus. None of the images that have been suggested have any consensus for use, hence why the original image that had a consensus was restored. If you can indeed generate a consensus on this, then it can be changed: for sake of not clogging the TP up with discussion on this, it might be prudent to make a thread and add a topic of the article for more notice. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 12:23, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the late notice, but I've got a suggestion: in Shippūden episode 142 at this link, there is a scene where Sasuke is sitting with Team Taka and Akatsuki (Madara and Kisame) and his headshot appears at like 7:43 right before he talks. Karin's long sleeve is on the left side of the screen, but the picture isn't too zoomed in on Sasuke's face, plus there's cropping that could be done. I actually tried uploading this months ago, but it wasn't in 720p HD quality, which I'm not very experienced in uploading. How about this one? --SSJ2AJB 22:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * I found the image and i personally prefer it to the current image but its in 720p. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 23:24, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

The Last Uchiha
Since both Madara and Obito are now listed as "deceased", should Sasuke be mentioned that he's the sole survivor of the Uchiha Clan within his introductory paragraph?--The Zeitgeist (talk) 04:47, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. So, I say proceed.--Hockey Machete (talk) 05:59, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright then.--The Zeitgeist (talk) 06:06, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke has 9 tomoe in his rinnegan
sorry guys I don't mean to start an argument but, sasuke has 9 tomoe in his rinnegan. I know that his rinnegan also appeared to have 6 as well later on, but that was after he had used his teleport ability. in the chapter where sasuke's rinnegan was first shown, he had 9 tomoe in his left eye. let me explain. in the first chapter in which his rinnegan was first shown, if you look at the rings in sasuke's rinnegan, you'll notice that on the first 3 rings he has a total of 9 tomoe, then later after he use his ability he appear to only appeared to have tomoe on the first 2 rings, having a total of 6. who knows if this is a drawing error, but when his rinnegan was first shown he had a total of 9, appearing on the first 3 rings in his rinnegan.--Ankhael (talk) 14:36, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * He was consistantly depicted with six Tomoe. If there's a reason for him sometimes having more or if Kishimoto screwed up, we don't know. For now, he has six. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:46, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

only after he was using it consistantly, however you right. I still think its appropriate to add that he did infact 9 tomoe before he used and battled with madara.--Ankhael (talk) 14:51, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

kishi has also consistently drew the jubi with six tomoe on occasions.--Ankhael (talk) 14:57, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Dude, I've tried to argue this before. It's not going to persuade anyone. WindStar7125 (Talk) WindStar7125 (talk) 15:50, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

He was shown with nine tomoe once, and with six in every panel they're visible since. Six until there's substantial reason to say differently. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:12, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Aw, come on Omnibender, at least you can make a small trivia, make a little note that "when sasuke first appear with his rinnegan, it appeared to have nine tomoe, later it was depicted with six tomoe".--Ankhael (talk) 16:32, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm sure that already is stated somewhere.--Elveonora (talk) 16:49, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Once again, Elve, no it isn't. WindStar7125  (Talk) WindStar7125 (talk) 17:34, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * It will likely be placed in the page of drawing errors (because yes, it is a drawing error). There is no need for a Trivia point here since it has been consistently shown with six since then. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg 17:48, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

"Like the Shunshin no jutsu

 * In the mangastream translation, Naruto said that Sasuke was able to move around LIKE the shunshin no jutsu...... what does that mean & was it an accurate translation? If so, should it then be added to his abilities
 * Sasuke has the ability to move around likened to the shunshin no jutus
 * Or something like that?--Deathmailrock (talk) 07:30, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * The translations of this weeks chapter are even worse than they usually are, so we can't really tell yet. Please wait for me to get my hands on and translate the raws. :) • Seelentau 愛 議 08:23, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

at this point
Wouldn't it make sense to create an article for the teleportation technique? I mean, we've made for Kaguya's techniques, so why not his?--Elveonora (talk) 23:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't agree yet. We don't even know what it does. So far we've seen Sasuke disappear and then reappear. Sure we've seen him do it a few times now, but combine that with Naruto's comment that it is "like the shunshin", and even then we don't know what it does. Vanishing and then reappearing isn't worth an article. When we see its mechanics, like if he has to focus his eye, or if he simply has to focus to teleport, then we can do something with it. Otherwise, we simply don't know enough. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg 23:50, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't oppose waiting, but latest chapter made it clear (to me at least) that it is space-time ninjutsu. Shunshin is simply fast movement and unless Sasuke's so fast that he can walk through air, he teleported himself and Naruto to Kaguya--Elveonora (talk) 23:54, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Honestly I think Naruto was comparing it to Hiraishin, which gets called shunshin a lot lately for some reason. I agree with you, but again, disappearing and then suddenly reappearing isn't special. Even Konohamaru can do that. Until something happens to distinguish it, though, I see no need. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg 23:57, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Fair points, but if we don't learn anything more about this technique soon, then I propose we create a page about the technique and we give it the name ourselves. For instance, we created the names of techniques like "Dimensional Shifting", "Space-Time Portal", and "Black Zetsu Merging Technique." And to be honest, we know even less about those techniques than Sasuke's teleportation technique. Let me know how you feel about this. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 20:47, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * How do you figure? We know exactly what those techniques do. "Dimensional Shifting" allows Kaguya to rewrite reality to create new dimensions, as per Kakashi's own explanations, the "Space-Time Portal" is obvious. She creates a portal and teleports with it. We've always known what "Black Zetsu Merging" does and his "Recording" technique has existed since Part I. I think you're getting antsy because we created pages that have no official name for Kaguya and Zetsu, but don't acknowledge that not only do we not have a name for Sasuke's Rinnegan technique, we also don't know what the hell it does. Seriously. One moment he (or his sword) is in one location, the next moment he is elsewhere. That is all we know. That does not constitute a page. Hell, that doesn't even constitute a Trivia point. All we know about it is on his article and should remain that way until we actually get some mechanics here. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg 21:55, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Once again, fair points. But I wouldn't count on an explanation on how it works- if there would be one, it would have been in 674 when it was introduced. What we do know is that he can teleport himself and other people and objects a great distance. He can also use this ability to switch places with another person or object. There is a limited space in which he can use this technique, and it is compared to Minato's Flying Thunder God Technique. All that information above is, in my opinion, worthy of an article. That being said, if the mechanics are never explained and/or the technique is never given a name, are we still not planning on creating a page for the technique? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 14:12, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * What do you think of the points I've made? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 13:12, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * Once again, my question remains unanswered. If there is nothing more that we learn about Sasuke's technique at any point in the series, will we still not create a page for Sasuke's Rinnegan teleportation technique, or will we actually create a page with our own name and explanation? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 18:50, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * No we will not. Vanishing and reappearing can be chalked up to a Body Flicker Technique, for one. So if this is all we get on it, then tough pancakes. We're not in the business of inventing explanations when we have none. In every instance of the technique being used, we get too panels. One where Sasuke is standing still, and the next he's a few yards away. Again, Body Flicker can accomplish this too. The only reason we even know its Rinnegan-related is because Madara said he was starting to "figure out" Sasuke's "eye power". That still tells us absolutely nothing about it. Right now, it is documented. Everything we know about it is contained in a sentence (we literally only have a sentence worth's of explanation about it), which is also referenced, in his Rinnegan section. If and when it is explained, be it in the manga, or a databook, then a page can be made. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg 19:39, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Like I've said, you make fair points, and I don't disagree with you. However, I just have the issue that there are pages like Black Zetsu's recording ability, and we know virtually nothing about how it works or it's real name. Besides, I think more people than you and I should be the ones to decide the course of this dilemma. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 22:18, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * I, again, am telling you that you are being very narrow sighted. Black Zetsu's recording ability has been known about since early Part II, and was used as far back as the end of Part I. We may not know how he does it, but we know what it does, what it has been used to do, and what its purpose is. Hence why there is a decent sized article about it, and only once sentence about this ability. There is no one else needed, its not going to be created with the information had. Period. Even if, by some act of God, you manage to get it created, Cerez, Ultimate, and Spey will immediately request its deletion (rightfully so) because they despise useless articles as it is. Drop it until we know more. Sasuke, so far, has done absolutely nothing special. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg 22:37, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Very well. Despite our differing opinions, I have enjoyed conversing with you about the subject. Thank you for your insight. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 23:58, July 8, 2014 (UTC)

Final Susanoo
The abilities section says that 'Following the recovery of Itachi's transplant, the final stage of his Susanoo underwent a drastic change, with scaled hands, a beak-like hood and a larger bow, with a more shield-like appearance, giving it an overall more intimidating appearance.', however, Sasuke acquired this version of Susanoo during his fight with Kakashi and Team 7, which took place before the transplant.

Madara solos (talk) 12:21, June 26, 2014 (UTC)Madara solos

No. That was his Susanoo before the transplant, when he had the MS. It had teeth and looked like Itachi's. Check Sasuke's Susanoo gallery. WindStar7125  (Talk) 16:02, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

"Rinnegan Teleportation" Technique Page
Given that we have created techniques that have not been given proper names such as "Black Zetsu Merging Technique", "Event Recording", "Dimensional Shifting", etc., I think we should create a page that revolves around Sasuke's teleportation abilities. For instance, we could call the technique "Rinnegan Teleportation", "Teleportation: Rinnegan", "Teleportation: Sasuke", or something more creative. What do you think? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 14:15, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Sasuke_Uchiha#at_this_point--Elveonora (talk) 15:23, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that... That subheading title didn't really scream out "name of Sasuke's teleportation technique." --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 20:42, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * I have a thing for fancy titles--Elveonora (talk) 20:45, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke's Rinnegan abilities
Shouldn't we add Water Style, Earth Style, and Wind Style to his Chakra Natures since he has the Rinnegan? Just because he hasn't used any of those natures, doesn't mean he doesn't have them. We did the same thing for the Sot6P and yet we never saw him use them. We also never saw Hagoromo, or Madara use the Six Paths Technique yet those were put on there. So shouldn't Sasuke have those Jutsu's and chakra natures added to his profile?Sanbi221 (talk) 21:36, June 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * I swear this thing has to be explained like every damned week. Rinnegan doesn't grant anyone natures, it simply allows him to learn them faster. I don't know the reasoning behind Hagoromo having all natures in his infobox. For Madara, he specifically told Obito that he would teach him Six Paths Technique, meaning he could use all 6. Hagoromo probably invented it, unless his mother did, in which case usage of all paths is questionable--Elveonora (talk) 21:42, June 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Elveo is right. Except for the Madara thing. Madara has all 5 because he's actually used them not because of the Six Paths. Wood = Water + Earth, Fire (duh), Wind (fanned Gunbai), and Lightning (apart of storm release). -- Koto Talk Page-My Contributions 21:50, June 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh I see. I've always been under the assumption that once you have the Rinnegan you're automatically granted all 5 Chakra Natures since every user except Obito and possibly Hagomoro has used it.Sanbi221 (talk) 02:29, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke's Personality Section
Hello, everyone. Yesterday, given the fact that Sasuke's page is now tagged for general cleanwork, I wanted to take the opportunity to trim down his personality section, something I wanted to do for a while now. However, a user kept reverting for who knows why. Not wanting to get into a edit war and get into trouble as result, I'm bringing this to the talk page. The main issue I have with his Sasuke's Personality section is that, for one thing, I've noticed repetitive sentences/already mentioned examples within the article. For example, the two passages below are taken directly from the section, and the issues are in bold:

"As time passed on with this new path of revenge and with further corruption by Tobi and the Uchiha curse, Sasuke had grown much more cruel and ruthless, with the remaining morality he showed during his time with Orochimaru fading rapidly. During Taka's attack on the Kage Summit, Sasuke killed anyone who stood in his way, not caring about his team, and after cornering Danzō, sacrificed Karin who got taken hostage to accomplish his goals of vengeance, and attempted to kill Karin along with his former team-mates and teacher whilst experiencing neither shame, guilt, nor remorse for any of his actions."

"Though, as he became more consumed by his thirst for vengeance, he showed that he cared little for them and saw them as no more than tools to achieve his hatred-fueled goals, quickly discarding them when they were no longer necessary. This is seen at the Kage Summit where he leaves Jūgo and Suigetsu behind, taking only Karin with him who could lead him to where Danzō was, as well as killing many samurai who stood in his way. He would later discard Karin as well, unhesitatingly piercing her just to kill Danzō and then attempted to finish her off to prevent her from being a burden in the future."

Though written slightly differently, you can the similarities. Also, I want to point out this, which is actually the beginning sentence of the second paragraph below: "Initially, Sasuke still held onto the notion of sparing the innocent and cooperation, witnessed in his creation of a new group of shinobi."

Then this is from another paragraph, about three paragraphs above from the the latter: "Despite getting stronger, Sasuke seemed unwilling to needlessly kill in his quest for revenge, displaying that he still had some morals left.''"

In the section, there are two sentences that stands alone together compared to the other paragraphs: "From his clan's massacre up until discovering the truth about Itachi, Sasuke was disgusted by anyone who would toy with innocent lives for personal gain as he believed Itachi had done. This also served as part of his reason for betraying Orochimaru."

I felt like this was rather out there, and I wanted to find a place for it to place somewhere in the paragraph. So, I wanted to include in the following paragraph mentioning Sasuke's opnion on Orochimaru: "Despite claiming earlier that he did not care if he had to sacrifice his own body to Orochimaru as long as it served his quest for revenge, when Sasuke felt he had grown stronger than the Sannin, he thought that to give himself up to someone weaker than himself was insulting to the Uchiha. However, despite his disrespect of Orochimaru as a person, Sasuke does have great respect for his power, going so far as to reprimand Suigetsu when he felt the latter was underestimating Orochimaru's capabilities."

It was also one of the parts that I edited last night, but was (again!) reverted: But this was the edit I made, as seen in the History: "Despite claiming earlier that he did not care if he had to sacrifice his own body to Orochimaru as long as it served his quest for revenge, when Sasuke felt he had grown stronger than the Sannin, he thought that to give himself up to someone weaker than himself was insulting to the Uchiha. Additionally, Sasuke was disgusted by how Orochimaru would toy with innocent lives for personal gain, as he believed Itachi had done. However, despite his disrespect of Orochimaru as a person, Sasuke does have great respect for his power, going so far as to reprimand Suigetsu when he felt the latter was underestimating Orochimaru's capabilities."

This was just a few edits I made yesterday. I also take some words that I felt over-exemplified. Nothing too big, though.-- Ninja Sheik  21:55, July 15, 2014 (UTC)


 * Eehhh... Can we just trim this section down to two or three paragraphs? Does it really have to read as another biography? It's what we have the plot synopsis at the bottom for, right? —「SaiST」Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 00:51, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Doing that would be impossible. Sasuke isn't exactly a round character; he's dynamic. He changes with the story. I want to trim it down as much as possible, but again, apparently, a user is have issues with that. I want to revert to my edit again, but I can't do that without dragging myself into an edit war.-- Ninja Sheik  03:32, July 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * I feel that his personality traits can be detailed without delving into every plot twist 'n turn that has effected them. The Personality section(and I suppose this is true for many of the primary characters on this wiki) has always felt bloated to me because it's been referencing just about every plot point. As I said, it reads like some kind of biography, or a plot synopsis from the character's perspective. Is all that really necessary to describe how Sasuke acts? —「SaiST」Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 04:15, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with the point you're making, but trying trim it down to just two or three paragraphs? I don't know if that's possible.-- Ninja Sheik  19:38, July 16, 2014 (UTC)


 * Perhaps you're right. I'll be quiet now, as I now realize I'm kind of derailing your purpose in creating this topic. ;) —「SaiST」Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 20:27, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

No, it's okay. If you have ideas on how to improve the page, voice them. That's one of the purpose of having a talk page, after all. :) Besides, it doesn't matter anymore. Another user revamped the page. Although I still can't comprehend why my edit, even though it wasn't even big, was reverted without an explanation. :( Again, doesn't matter anymore.-- Ninja Sheik  20:34, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

First off, sorry for replying to you this late, my country was hit with a big typhoon a few days ago, which blacked out my place and made using the intenret, cable, and any other thing that runs on electricity pretty much impossible. I only just got your message now when the power finally came back on, but the powers' still unstable right now so I'm not sure how long the connection will last, so I'll apologize in advance if I don't respond to your response right away.

Anyway, the main reason why I kept undoing most of the edits was because I wanted to change it back to as close to the original as possible, then fix it so that it would be less redundant and more informative and detailed, and that includes the entirety of the Uchiha page. See, the original reason on why I started doing this was because of a user called Steve920, who kept editing the sections of Sasuke's Page very badly, (i.e. greammar mistakes, vague explanations, copy and paste from different sites, etc.) when the page was already more or less okay as it was.

I waited for a few days to see if anyone would notice the mistakes and try to fix them, but they never did, so I had to fix it myself... And I admit I may have went a little oberboard with the editing and the undoing of edits (in other words, I pretty much lost it), but bad grammar and sloppy works of literature really set me off, especially if they only copied and pasted them of off some other site.

I also apologize for undoing most of your edits (though I'm not sure if I was the only one), but it didn't seam like there were any redundancies, at least, at the time. And to me, they looked more like previous interpretations of how others viewed Sasuke's personality from before up to now. Sort of like a record on the changes of his personality. And although I'm not sure on whether having a personality section that details the history of his past personality to his current one or a summary of his current personality is better for the page, I prefer the former, so that's what I chose.

But I see your point now on how it's a little repetitive (I mostly skimmed through the personality section and probably didn't see the repetitions before), like the mentioning of the Kage Summit Arc more than once for example. So how do you feel about melding the two:

"Initially, Sasuke still held onto the notion of sparing the innocent and cooperation, witnessed in his creation of a new group of shinobi. Though, as he became more consumed by his thirst for vengeance and with further corruption from Tobi and the Uchiha curse, Sasuke had grown much more cruel and ruthless, with the remaining morality he showed during his time with Orochimaru fading rapidly. This is seen at the Kage Summit, where he killed anyone who stood in his way, as well as leaving Jūgo and Suigetsu behind, taking only Karin with him who could lead him to where Danzō was, and later discarding her as well, unhesitatingly piercing her just to kill Danzō and then attempted to finish her off to prevent her from being a burden in the future, showing that he cared little for them and saw them as no more than tools to achieve his hate-fueled goals."

I didn't put the last paragraph you mentioned in because I think it would be better to include it like this:

"In Part II, Sasuke became increasingly confident in his newfound abilities. Constantly, he remained composed and unconcerned with the situation at hand. Even when pressured by enemies like Orochimaru or Deidara, he showed no emotional build up unless the situation involved Itachi, ironically acting just like his older brother. However, Sasuke still seemed unwilling to needlessly kill in his quest for revenge, displaying that he still had some morals left."

Edit: There were other things I mentioned as well, but the stupid editor page reloaded and deleted all of the things I typed, so this is all I could remember. Well, that, and that I think that this:

"From his clan's massacre up until discovering the truth about Itachi, Sasuke was disgusted by anyone who would toy with innocent lives for personal gain as he believed Itachi had done. This also served as part of his reason for betraying Orochimaru."

Looks better along with this:

"In Part II, Sasuke became increasingly confident in his newfound abilities. Constantly, he remained composed and unconcerned with the situation at hand. Even when pressured by enemies like Orochimaru or Deidara, he showed no emotional build up unless the situation involved Itachi, ironically acting just like his older brother. However, Sasuke still seemed unwilling to needlessly kill in his quest for revenge, and was disgusted by anyone who would toy with innocent lives for personal gain as he believed Itachi had done. This also served as part of his reason for betraying Orochimaru. And displayed that he still had some morals left."

Thought about putting it where you put it but decided against it because I thought the flow of it wouldn't work. That's probably the reason why I undid your edit (or maybe it was because I grew distrustful of sudden edits due to my experiences with Steve920's edits). Well, that, and because taking down a few paragraphs or sentences won't even make a difference in the page's length, Naruto wiki character pages are almost always long, so I stopped trying to make them shorter a long time ago, I'm actually growing to like it in fact, mostly because you don't have to go to another page to see a character's personality or quotes or abilities and etcetera.

Well, I'll get back to you when I remember the rest. Once again sorry for replying to you this late and also for the wall of text. And I'll also put this on your profile page to make sure you get this. CroniclerX (talk) 05:31, July 17, 2014 (UTC) CroniclerX

I watch have Sasuke's page under my Watchlist, so I'll know when something changes on its main page or talk page. In any case, sent you a response via your talk page. Since another user already revamped the section, there's no need to discussion this issue further.-- Ninja Sheik  17:05, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

Six Paths
We should list Sasuke as a basic user of the six paths. Deva, Asura, Human, etc. we listed Obito as a user when he got the Rinnegan when he didn't use all of them, we should list Sasuke too. Officialkamuiblade (talk) 23:18, July 17, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade
 * I seem to recall someone saying that Obito was taught the six paths by Madara or something. Also we don't know what the tomoe Rinnegan can do in comparison with the standard one, so that's too guessy to take for fact. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:20, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * Obito was listed as a user because he actually used the Six Paths of Pain technique, which meant he automatically had the ability to use it. Sasuke has never been seen casting a Six Paths of Pain technique (or whatever it was), so listing him as a user is speculation. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 23:23, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox Rinnegan Image
Now that we know Sasuke's Rinnegan is in fact the standard colour, but simply with 6 tomoe, the infobox image needs to be altered. --Atrix471 (talk) 01:58, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Bump... --Atrix471 (talk) 11:06, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Kinda have no clue how to go about doing that.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 11:22, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Nor do I, which is why I asked on the talk page :P --Atrix471 (talk) 11:29, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Just ask someone to make a new image? --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 11:43, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Making an image isn't a problem, most of us are clueless about how to replace it in the infobox--Elveonora (talk) 11:52, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

Page Protection Removal
Can we remove the page protection on this article and the Rinnegan article now that the issue with Sasuke's Rinnegan colour has been dealt with? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 02:03, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * The page was unprotected literally a few minutes ago. --Atrix471 (talk) 02:08, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's really weird- when I wrote this, I still could not have access to the page. Well, what're you gonna do about it?! --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 02:17, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Me? Um... nothing? --Atrix471 (talk) 02:45, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's an expression- you've never heard it before?--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 03:06, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

Nature release?
Shouldn't we list Sasuke as having all the different chakra natures, since he's a Rinnegan user? --Mandon (talk) 07:51, July 31, 2014 (UTC)


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 * Talk:Sasuke Uchiha/Archive 9
 * ~SnapperTo 08:02, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke and Naruto/Indra and Asura
Before you shoot this down, hear me out to a certain degree. Sasuke and Naruto are reincarnations of Indra and Asura, as we all know. What I don't understand is, why don't we add them to their respective Family Categories? Something like 'Asura (Past Life)' for Naruto and 'Indra (Past Life)' for Sasuke? Not only THAT, why don't we also add 'Hashirama Senju (Past Life)' and 'Madara Uchiha (Past Life)' for each of them, respectively? If not that, at least add 'Reincarnation' to their Classification boxes. ExyleCage (talk) 19:32, August 11, 2014 (UTC)ExyleCage--ExyleCage (talk) 19:32, August 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * Naruto and Sasuke are not related in blood to Ashura and Indra, so there's no reason to list them or Madara and Hashirama as family members. And how does being a reincarnation equal family? As for the classification, I suppose that could be done. Yuri   Bara  19:39, August 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you. --ExyleCage (talk) 20:34, August 11, 2014 (UTC)ExyleCage

Damn Jesus... the reincarnates aren't reincarnations of Ashura and Indra literary, there's no rebirth going on, get this into your heads finally. What reincarnates into their descendants is their chakras, not souls. Ashura and Indra AREN'T their past lives, they are all separate individuals--Elveonora (talk) 22:30, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke's Tsukuyomi
I believe Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi. Refer to these 2 pictures. The first shows a replica image of Bee in Tsukuyomi and the second has Danzou stating it.
 * These translations you posted aren't official. Danzō said: "Even though it's impressive you put me in a genjutsu, unlike Itachi's Tsukuyomi, your genjutsu doesn't alter the victim's perception of time. There's the same difference as between heaven and earth". While Sasuke may have an imperfect Tsukuyomi, it was never stated he actually has it. Until the moment Sasuke uses a genjutsu that alters the victim's perception of time or someone in the manga says he has Tsukuyomi, it's speculative.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg JOA20 07:32, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, but how about Bee's case? That looks like a picture perfect of Tsukuyomi. Also, considering the fact that Sasuke currently uses Itachi's eyes, doesn't that also imply he is able to cast Tsukuyomi? IIRC, your occullar powers are dependent upon the eye and not the user. This held true to Shisui's eye being used by Danzou and the Crow. Krikara (talk) 07:41, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sasuke never used Tsukuyomi up until now. Even when he had to free Itachi from Tayuya's genjutsu in the battle against Kabuto, he used a simple genjutsu: Sharingan while his older brother resorted to Tsukuyomi. Against B, it's true that the color scheme of Sasuke's genjutsu was the same as Itachi's Tsukuyomi, but against Danzō it was different.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg JOA20 07:47, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Look closely at those pictures. After casting that "genjutsu", his right is hurting, the supposed Tsukuyomi eye. ALONG with the picture, the fact that Sasuke uses Itachi's Tsukuyomi eye seals the case. When Madara gave the Rinnegan to Obito, Obito can use the Rinnegan. When Danzou uses Shisui's eye, it activates Shisui's special ability. Krikara (talk) 07:54, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * In chapter 462, Sasuke holds his right eye after using a regular Sharingan genjutsu (strangely enough) so that alone isn't enough. Also, Eternal Mangekyo transplants work differently than regular ones, and as far as we've seen, they don't seem to grant the donor's techniques to the recipient.--BeyondRed (talk) 08:02, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Which transplants are you referring to? Shisui's eye was in MS form and still retained its original technique. The only EMS transplant other than Sasuke was Madara and we don't know much about Izuna. Unless you want to consider Obito receiving the Rinnegan as a transplant as well, in which case he was able to use the Rinnegan powers. Krikara (talk) 08:16, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

The Mangekyō has one 'main' technique per eye, along with Susanoo when both are unlocked. Itachi had Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu (same for Madara), Obito and Kakashi had/has dual Kamui, Shisui had dual Kotoamatsukami and Sasuke has Amaterasu and Blaze release. There's a reason Kishi specifies which eye he uses when he uses for both. There's no reason, Eternal Mangekyō or not, that he'd have more ocular techniques than before. --Atrix471 (talk) 10:58, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Dis gonna be interesting once Kishi changes his mind again and backtracks to Susanoo requiring Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi in Kakashi's case.--Elveonora (talk) 11:01, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Madara didn't have Tsuku and Ama, Sasuke has Ama and Kagutsuchi. Both are Blaze Release, but Itachi has Blaze Release, too. Sasuke does not have Tsukuyomi because in instances where he used a Genjutsu, it was never a Tsukuyomi, even if a Tsukuyomi would've helped more. Remember, the only Tsukuyomi user we have confirmed is Itachi and as long as his version is the only one, we can't say for sure if Tsukuyomi can be different if used by someone else. • Seelentau 愛 議 11:05, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Sasuke without altering his perception of time and without the whole black/white background thing, so both aren't mandatory parts of the technique.--Elveonora (talk) 11:07, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * During the fight against Kabuto? Hm, you're right. Well, okay then. That leaves us with [why didn't Sasuke ever use it, for example against Itachi in the same fight]? • Seelentau 愛 議 11:12, August 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Amaterasu isn't Blaze Release, to my knowledge. If I remember correctly, Blaze Release functions almost identically to Magnet Release; manipulating a pre-existing element, which in this case is the flames of Amaterasu created with the other eye. --Atrix471 (talk) 11:13, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * And Magnet Releases manipulates which pre-existing element exactly? • Seelentau 愛 議 11:19, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe elements was the wrong word, but anything that is or can be made magnetic really. --Atrix471 (talk) 11:21, August 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * @User:Seelentau If Madara's moon eye plan was to reflect his eye to cast Tsukuyomi over the entire planet, then wouldn't that imply he can use Tsukuyomi?


 * Also, Sasuke's right eye is replaced by Itachi's right eye that can cast Tsukuyomi. All ocular powers stay consistent to the eye when transfered, so Sasuke should be able to use Tsukuyomi due to having Itachi's eyes. Krikara (talk) 09:54, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

@See;. not just against Kabuto, but also Sasuke vs Itachi.--Elveonora (talk) 11:24, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

@Atrix, Magnet Releases molds magnetic chakra, so it is its own element and doesn't control another. There's no reason to believe Blaze Release is an exception. Unless proven otherwise, it has to be a mix of two natures.--Elveonora (talk) 11:25, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, Magnet Release changes the chakra's nature to a magnetic one. Blaze Release changes it to black flames, just like Katon does. Also, Sasuke used Kagutsuchi on Amaterasu without adding the Blaze Release. Why didn't he add it? Because the black flames were already there. @Elve, I know, I know^^ • Seelentau 愛 議 11:28, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * He still used his right eye for the Kagutsuchi, which is the Blaze Release eye. It says directly on the Blaze Release page that it manipulates, not creates or anything else, the black flames, so we have no reason to assume he can do so without it. --Atrix471 (talk) 11:35, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

The point is that manipulating a nature doesn't require another nature. So logically, Amaterasu has to be Blaze Release itself for Kagatsuchi being Blaze Release to make sense--Elveonora (talk) 11:38, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, because his right eye is the Kagutsuchi eye. There is no Blaze Release eye. The Blaze Release article is not entirely correct because we can't seem to reach a consensus. • Seelentau 愛 議 11:39, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Then strangely enough, why is Amaterasu not Blaze Release? Because the databook claimed it was the highest level of Fire Release? What if Blaze Release is the highest level of Fire Release? What other element could possibly be used in Blaze Release that isn't Fire Release? Do advanced natures always have to include two natures rather than taking one to the highest level? I think it's ridiculous that manipulating a substance requires another nature. That sounds silly. But until Amaterasu is proven to be Blaze Release, well... we really can't reach a consensus. Like @Elveo says, popular opinion isn't fact I guess... WindStar7125  (Talk) (Contributions) 19:00, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Because BR wasn't a thing back then. Also, every release so far changed the chakra nature before releasing it. There's no reason to believe otherwise in this case. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:15, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, Sasuke now has Itachi's eyes. Can anyone prove that Sasuke is unable to use Tsukuyomi now? In the past, Shisui's mangekyou has been transferred to various subjects and the ability remained constant. Madara's Rinnegan was also given to Obito and Obito could then use Rinnegan abilities. Is there anywhere in the manga that proves Sasuke can't use Tsukuyomi and/or abilities aren't bound to the eye? Krikara (talk) 09:58, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * We don't need to prove that he is unable to use it. Necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit: the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges. You started this discussion, so it's your job to provide evidence for what you're saying. • Seelentau 愛 議 10:40, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * I did provide evidence. I've stated multiple times that abilities remain consistent with the eye and not the user, but people conveniently avoided these statements. People can argue that Sasuke never used Tsukuyomi, but that doesn't disprove my claim. Sasuke received Itachi's eyes, therefore he can use Tsukuyomi. Case closed. Krikara (talk) 10:03, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * He never used it, he wasn't stated to be able to use it, he had situations where using it would've been the best way to go, we don't know if there's a difference between transplanting the eye (as Kakashi and Danzo did) or merging the eye with another (like Sasuke and Madara did). We have no clear evidence that he used it, theoretically he can use it, practically he didn't. So we don't add him. • Seelentau 愛 議 10:09, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * There's no merger done Seel. Host's eyes are replaced with the donor's, that's it.--Elveonora (talk) 10:18, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, I forgot the chapter when the procedure of that operation was shown... it was chapter #neverever, wasn't it? • Seelentau 愛 議 10:21, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

It was called a transplant each time, there's not even a suggestion of any merger of eyes done.--Elveonora (talk) 10:23, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Then why do the forms merge? • Seelentau 愛 議 12:03, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * What Sharingan actually is, is Uchiha brain chakra affecting optic nerve. The pattern we know as Sharingan is basically because of the chakra. The donor's eyes have his chakra in them, so when the host transplants them, his and the donor's chakras mix in the eyes, hence mixed pattern--Elveonora (talk) 12:06, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay. But still: We have no clear evidence that he used it, theoretically he can use it, practically he didn't. So we don't add him. • Seelentau 愛 議 12:10, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Six Paths?
Sasuke hasn't used the Six Paths so why has it been added to his infobox?--Reliops (talk) 12:56, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * The generic Chibaku Tensei, that Sasuke used, is a power derived from Deva Path, which is one of the seven powers granted from the Six Paths Technique.—Steveo920 (Talk), 9:00, September 10, 2014
 * Sasuke's case is no different than Obito's and Madara's, I dunno why this is a question. -- WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 13:29, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Missing Jutsu
Sasuke seems to be missing some jutsu in his infobox, like Summoning: Lightning Flash Blade Creation and Blaze Release: Yasaka Magatama They don't even appear in Semantic search. What's going on? Am I The only clueless one >.<?--Omojuze (talk) 20:31, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

I see them. Munchvtec (talk) 20:39, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

Lightning Release Affinity
I tried looking in the past archives if this was brought up or not, but in an episode of Naruto Shippuden (either Rivals or Rift) Sasuke channels his chakra into a piece of chakra paper and it crumples showing that his chakra has an affinity for lightning release. Shouldn't his infobox have affinity next to his Lightning Release nature type?  Banan 14  kab  08:55, September 15, 2014 (UTC)


 * I want to say it should still be there. It is possible that "affinity" in the infobox was done away with, to be honest it's hard to trace because so much discussion is now taking place off Talk Pages.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 11:17, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * It happened in Rivals, Shippuden episode 258. I wasn't that found of that line of filler episodes, but it could explain why Kakashi taught Sasuke a lightning technique despite being a Uchiha (although Kishimoto might not thought of the current system with chakra natures). Jacce | Talk | Contributions 16:12, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * So can I add it or no until it's settled? No one really answered my question... Banan 14  kab  23:53, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke affinity is Fire Release not lightning. Hagoromo Otsutsuki' 01:09, September 18, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki


 * But it was indeed stated to be his affinity in the anime. Yes, in the manga we were told Uchiha have a Fire affinity, but that isn't exactly the only instance of the anime changing or expanding upon established facts. It's worth mentioning in trivia at least, but maybe not infobox.--BeyondRed (talk) 01:35, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

I don't recall Sasuke ever to have been stated to possess a Fire Release affinity. All Uchiha have a natural ability for it as far as we know, but I believe the manga implied his affinity was Lightning Release.--Reliops (talk) 09:38, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Alternatively we could arrange his info box like | this.--Reliops (talk) 09:41, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

I doubt all Uchiha have Fire affinity, it's not like all of them are pure bloods or shit, hell not all of them even did have the Sharingan.--Elveonora (talk) 10:34, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

To Hagoromo Otsutsuki I think when it was said that the Uchiha had an affinity for Fire Release it meant that they had natural skill with it and most of their clan nature transformation techniques use it, but that it is not the affinity of every single Uchiha. After all shinobi can use several nature transformations. So unless it was strictly said in a databook or something I think the episode proves Sasuke has an affinity for Lightning Release. I don't think Kakashi would've taught him Chidori otherwise.  Banan 14  kab  04:02, September 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sasuke's possession of the Sharingan was more than enough reason to teach him the Chidori. It's not like we've been told that a technique on Chidori's level can only be used by those with an affinity for Raiton.


 * Anyways, Sasuke having an affinity for Raiton is the best bet at this point, but nothing has been officially stated on the matter. While he has a wider variety of Raiton compared to Katon, he's demonstrated nearly as much variety from Katon's apex, Enton. It's possible that he has an affinity for Katon, but relies more on Raiton due to it's inherent utility. —「SaiST」Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg 09:48, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Sasuke having Lightning Release as his affinity. I think the idea is that most Uchiha have Fire Release, but Sasuke is an exception. It makes sense considering he seemed to have more trouble learning the Great Fireball Technique than most of his clanmates, and we've seen several supporting facts that Sasuke is quite a bit different, with his inverted MS colours for instance, and since he's the reincarnation of Indra. Plus, I'm not so sure Sharingan enables you to use another nature so easily, seeing as we haven't seen Sasuke copy any other nature type. Sure, it could make the process easier, but I think the only way to learn in a month with the dōjutsu would be if it were your affinity. Similar to how Naruto's shadow clones could expedite his Wind Release training, but not another nature in as quick a time. It only makes sense for Kakashi to have taught him Lightning Release, of all natures, if Sasuke had that affinity.

That being said, there seems to be a problem adding that as his nature seeing as it's all speculation. However, if the anime indeed showed Sasuke crumpling chakra paper, it should be added as his affinity with an "Anime only" tag, should it not? Or, perhaps, since he's used Lightning Release in the manga and it hasn't disproven that to be his chakra nature (implying it, even), we could go ahead and add it without the tag, and maybe, as suggested, with a "presumed" status. Just my two cents. --ScruffyC (talk) 17:50, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Hagoromo Didn't Give Sasuke the Rinnegan
I think it's clear that both Sasuke and Naruto awakened Rinnegan and Six Paths Sage Technique, respectively, on their own. Think about it. What's needed for Rinnegan? Asura's plus Indra's chakra, possibly EMS according to some, and evidently being on the verge of death. Sasuke recieved "power" from Hashirama, and, if I remember correctly, Kabuto used Hashi's cells to revive him (don't quote me on that last part). However you look at it, he had Asura's chakra from Hashi, we all know he has EMS (if that is needed afterall), and was on the verge of death. All the ingredients necessary for Rinnegan. On a related but not strictly relevant note, Naruto had the chakra of all Tailed Beasts. Both Obito and Madara acquired the Six Paths Sage Technique upon becoming the jinchūriki of the Ten-Tails, that is to say, the amalgamation of all Tailed Beasts' chakra. Do you see where I'm going with this? Both Sasuke and Naruto would have awakened those particular abilities on their own regardless of Hagoromo giving them his power. So what did the Sage give them, then? Well, the Six Paths Yang Power and Six Paths Yin Power, which are clearly independent powers seeing as how Sasuke has retained his Rinnegan since losing the "moon" mark on his hand (and will still possess the dōjutsu in the upcoming movie). There is also a possibility that Rinnegan requires time to activate, rather than being on the verge of death, as I've seen some people note on here. In that case, I would speculate that Hagoromo giving his power could have expedited that process. Regardless, Sasuke has both Asura's and Indra's chakra, so the Rinnegan is his own. --ScruffyC (talk) 18:13, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's cute and all, but:


 * the manga says Sasuke's Rinnegan is because of Hagoromo
 * EMS isn't needed, that's something fantards made up--Elve Talk Page 19:07, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * The manga says so? When? • Seelentau 愛 議 19:23, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * We've been over this like 3 times now. And I thought I was the one who had the bad memory :P--Elve Talk Page 21:50, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Remind me again please ^^' • Seelentau 愛 議 21:56, September 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * The manga didn't say it. In fact, Hagoromo himself says his chakra was awakened inside of Naruto and Sasuke through Kurama's and Hashirama's chakra respectively. Further evidence that Hagoromo was not responsible for giving Sasuke the Rinnegan (though his chakra was, apparently). MangekyoSasuke (talk) 22:03, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * What?... and yes, the manga says Hagoromo is responsible for Sasuke's Rinnegan. I don't recall the talkpage at the moment though--Elve Talk Page 22:29, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Oh yeah, chapter 681 page 3--Elve Talk Page 22:34, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * That doesn't say Hagoromo gave him the rinnegan, it says they were blessed with his power. There's a difference. And 686 page 1, for what I was saying. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 00:29, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * It says the reason Sasuke can use his teleportation is because he was blessed with Hagoromo's power. Guess what, the teleportation is done with Rinnegan, unless you believe Sasuke got Rinnegan by different means and the blessing simply allowed him to use teleportation--Elve Talk Page 09:02, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, but we also said that the TSB are part of the SPS, something this very panel disproves. It could very well be that the technique is something he can use bc of Hagoromo, while the eye itself is not. • Seelentau 愛 議 10:13, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * I call that a stretch, but 'kay--Elve Talk Page 12:08, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * I know, but as I've said multiple times before, we should be cautious with what we're adding and how we word it. • Seelentau 愛 議 12:11, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Again, note that 'blessed with someone's power' =/= 'someone giving someone their own power'. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 18:06, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

The way I see it, there's two, perfectly legit, possibilities:

1. Sasuke got the Rinnegan due to him being an Uchiha and gaining the Six Paths chakra from Hagoromo

2. He obtained the Rinnegan from gaining hashirama's chakra and Hagoromo's chakra gave him his teleportation Riptide240 (talk) 20:36, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Susanoo Chidori?
Considering what we did in making the article Blaze Release: Susanoo Kagutsuchi, should we make one for Susanoo Chidori? • WindStar7125     10:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * If for Kishi using Enton with Susanoo is a separate technique, then we have a canon precedent as evidence that using Chidori with Susanoo would be too--Elve Talk Page 11:02, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Good. Because it looks like somebody already jumped the gun and created the article anyway. Glad we agree ^_^ • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 11:33, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * Is it ok to make a new article? We didn't make an article for the Rasengan that Minato used in his Kurama form, is this different?--MERCURIOUS (talk) 11:35, October 8, 2014 (UTC)