Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34277398-20180314193639/@comment-34752936-20180324105358

@Mr Grave

I think Itachi takes the balance of this. Neither would win 100% of the time, but Itachi has a lot of techniques that could counter Minato, and has a lot more knowledge of Minato's techniques that Minato does of his.

Kyuubi can be suppressed with Itachi's Mangekyo.

Minato has not shown anything that makes me believe he could get out of a Tsukiyomi.

Minato's Hiraishin is utilized by throwing kunai. Itachi probably has the most "projectile-fu" feats in the series. It's entirely possible (hell, likely) that he will be able to divert Minato's paths with his own projectiles.

Itachi can summon Susanoo really quickly. In the middle of Kirin. That will save his life at least once. And Susanoo has that sword and shield.

Due to the above, Itachi can probably survive a lot of Minato's OHKOs, but I'm really not convinced that Minato can recover from Itachi's best techniques.

Granted, Minato is crazy fast. Crazy fast. And he probably knows to be on guard against genjutsu. So he'll win a few of these just by that. I'd probably go 60-40 in Itachi's favor.

tl;dr: Itachi has more tricks up his sleeve and better survivability. A non-suppressed Kyuubi could probably break Minato out. A suppressed? I don't know. I suspect not. Regardless, from what I saw in the Killer B-Sasuke fight, you still get effected by the genjutsu for at least a bit before your Tailed Beast can break you out - B's tripping indicated he was out of commission for a split second or so. With these combatants that's a non-negligible amount of time.

In truth I don't really think its "fair" to give Minato the Kyuubi because IIRC he couldn't use it until he was revived. It's not really power that was central to his character but more stuff that seems like it was added at the last minute because Kishi realized the power-inflation of the manga had outclassed him. And what if Minato marked an explosive clone? Have a counter to that question too. A normal strike from the raikage?? quick reflexes doesnt make him faster.. they call him the yellow flash becaue of his flying thunder god tech.. with that seal in his kunai he can attack in a flash of light faster than anyone on the planet, fighting some of the fastest ninja in the world.. like raikage (idk how fast bee is) itachi, i dnt think kakashi is still way under itachi.. sasuke is faster than kakashi.. but hes way slower than bee.. im believe in a prolonged battle with raikage the 4th would not be considered the fastest.. the raikage would lose bc hes arrogant and sumtimes very stupid.

4 kages fight sasuke and they practicely lose that battle, and the raikage loses his arm to barily land a hit.. stupid..

the 4th vs raikage in a fight the 4th would win. in terms of speed (not tech. id go with the 4th) in a prolonged battle tech. vs tech. the 4th maybe faster for the instant his jutsu is active which is split second or faster but the raikages tech. is constant.. so id say in terms of a speed blitz fight or something like that the raikage would win..

Itachi can keep up with naruto and bee in there tailed beast forms, naruto speed blitzed like everyone he fought in that form and itachi could keep up with it.. when he faced them both he retreated.. great display of itachis speed, plus he was very apped in the body flicker move..Minato is not a genius. If you think he is, you are far over yourself. Read up on him and how Jiraiya compared his intelligence to naruto. Creating jutsus does not mean being strong.

It is also impossible to get rid of genjutsu alone, as stated in the manga before. You need distribution of chakra. first to clear the air around Tsukuyomi anyone outside of the uchiha clan cant break it.. if the 4th is caught in it. itachi just has to stale him with it for a second and kill him.. he torturer kakashi with it.. bc he didnt want to fight him he just wanted him to submit..

they call him the yellow flash becaue of his flying thunder god tech.. with that seal in his kunai he can attack in a flash of light faster than anyone on the planet, fighting some of the fastest ninja in the world.. like raikage (idk how fast bee is) itachi, i dnt think kakashi is still way under itachi.. sasuke is faster than kakashi.. but hes way slower than bee.. im believe in a prolonged battle with raikage the 4th would not be considered the fastest.. the raikage would lose bc hes arrogant and sumtimes very stupid.

4 kages fight sasuke and they practicely loss that battle, and the raikage loses his arm to barily land a hit.. stupid..

the 4th vs raikage in a fight the 4th would win. in terms of speed (not tech. id go with the 4th) in a prolonged battle tech. vs tech. the 4th maybe faster for the instant his jutsu is active which is split second or faster but the raikages tech. is constant.. so id say in terms of a speed blitz fight or something like that the raikage would win..

Itachi can keep up with naruto and bee in there tailed beast forms, naruto speed blitzed like everyone he fought in that form and itachi could keep up with it.. when he faced them both he retreated.. great display of itachis speed, plus he was very apped in the body flicker move..

I still have yet to see any scan or feat that people call minato a genius compared to itachi. Minato did not end the third great war, feats to show that? The thousand jutsu is a figure of speech, only person who is known to hold more than thousand of jutsus is the 3rd hokage and kakashi, in fact look at Tsunada. Minato never mastered his element either, thats why he could not use shuriken rasengan, unlike naruto. If you wanna prove to me his master of element, provide me with a manga scan. I don't know what Naruto has to do with this, when it is a known fact that to break genjutsu, it must be a distribution to charka, something that Minato never has shown. Minato had to SEAL and GIVE HIS LIFE AWAY to fight the 9 tails. The 3rd raikage was able to beat 8 tails without giving his life and only got a scratch on him, your point being? He got 8 tails captured also, btw. Provide me scans of Minato's genius plz. Also Minato is not the benchmark, 3rd hokage is, as stated by the author, as 3rd being the strongest ninja at his prime. Proof of Minato that he can sense ninjas (not that matters against Itachi). Minato couldn't master sage mode nor 2nd level of rasengan and now all the sudden he is a master of his element? Why would Tsukuyomi not win this fight? Itachi has beaten everyone he has used Tsukuyomi on. No one has broken it, not to mention Itachi having complete control over time and space in there. Oh, did i mention, Itachi can use Tsukuyomi with his finger, something no one else can see. I already asked before, and none showed it. Yet to show any feats of his Genius. Amaterasu can be sealed away once the seal is made, something Minato does not have carried with him. He would have to make the seal, allowing him to get caught by Itachi.

NO ONE has seen Susanoo after Madara till itachi came out. No one had mangekyou sharingan between the time period of Madara and before Itachi, prove me wrong by bringing feats. It's already said in the Manga. Show me a feat of Minato breaking a genjutsu at itachi level, which no one has broken by the way so far. How would he seal Itachi's sight? There is no such thing proven in Manga. I can say Itachi can use Amaterasu to burn the whole planet, theoretically, since it can burn anything and he has burnt a whole mountain at sasuke fight. You have yet to provide any feat of that you said about Minato. This guy killed the uchiha clan at age 12 or something.

The 4th is great but he loses it....