Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26822192-20200512085001/@comment-6769189-20200513205124

Frwt wrote:

We don't know the story before the warring state period, and the manga didn't even care about it, so no way to know how strong the previous reincarnates were The manga didnt care because they werent as important or as strong. If they were then stories would be told of their predecessors causing damage the way they did and Hashirama/Madara wouldnt have been considered the people who rival one another

Frwt wrote:

But the power they gained was predetermined cause they were the chosen ones, the manga goes on this multiple times, Their strength wasnt predetermined, their beliefs and a few personality traits were. There were so many factors and outside influences that it is impossible to say that being reincarnates made them as steong as they were.

Frwt wrote:

Naruto is a child of profecy and has the will of fire, The prophesy actually had nothing to do with the reincarnation

Frwt wrote:

Yeah and that's fair, the problem is the power itself, they didn't create their best powers they recived it; Sasuke was able to modify the chidori to make blades and he even got to the point were he could control lightning, this is cool, what isn't cool is that Sasuke becomes sad and gets new powers who laugh to the ones he had before; with Naruto is similiar cause him being able to use Kurama's chakra was thanks to Minato and Kushina, but he still fought for it so it's fair there; tho as you also specified this is "pre six paths", so I guess even you see the problem there So now you are using double standards in the opposite direction?

Frwt wrote:

Yeah, tho it's actually not, Hiruzen was the god of shinoby and he could deal with Hashirama, Tobirama and Orochimaru, (with Tobirama using water style without water and it being a legit kage level feat); Actually no. In the chapter Orochimaru summoned them characters were talking about how tgey were toted as the best shinobi ever. Wood release was also called legendary and used to stop anarchy. Orochimaru was also toying with Hiruzen

Frwt wrote:

the whole thing with Hashirama and Madara came at near the end of part 1, were Kishi was more decided on what do do with the story (Sasuke and Sakura were characaters suggested by the editor, not people Kishi had in mind in his original story) Kishimoto would have had to had a plan long before that. Authors dont go wing the story week to week. He at tge very least had an outline for the story. Sasuke was present in the first chapters so his inclusion and general story direction as well as Sakura's were planned long before the end of part 1.

Frwt wrote:

But anyway, sure, you can say an epic battle was fought there, but I don't see why would contradict my post, cause I just said I would've preferred if those epic battle of chakra flex weren't the thing the series was going for Thats not actually true. The series was going for a mix of ninja fights and kaiju fights

The series' inciditing incident was a giant monster fight with Kurama and the Shukkaku vs Gamabunta fight happened less then a 3rd of they way into the series