Talk:Black Receiver

okay.....
What exactly is the difference between this and Will Materialisation? What we know: But then the article claims that the Black Rods are a result of it too, while in this article, it says Rinnegan produces them.--Elve Talk Page 09:59, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * Kaguya used it to make Black Zetsu
 * Madara can use it too, because he thought that he had made Black Zetsu
 * Will Materialisation is more of a general technique used to manifest someone's will, whereas the receivers are actual tools, as their main use was to control people (ie Six Paths of Pain, Revived Shinobi through Edo Tensei etc).
 * When the receivers were introduced, they were simply described as a chakra demodulation tool (ie a receiver and transmitter of chakra) and weren't described as being the manifestation of the user's will, until Madara came along and said they were. However, this page should stay, because it's essentially a tool that was specifically described in the series, even if it's similar to a technique. --Sajuuk 10:10, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * Thing is that Madara said that the black rod from clone Hashirama's navel is his will. The topic is more about the source of the black rods and how they differ, if they do. There's a reference to Databook 4 saying that Rinnegan users can make them. Did Madara make his Black Rods with Rinnegan or Will Materialisation? Not to mention some Black Rods disappeared after their makes has been weakened or died, while others persisted, so there seems to be a difference.--Elve Talk Page 12:33, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * Did Nagato use Will Materialisation to produce black rods? As far as I'm aware, he didn't: therefore the production of black rods is a Rinnegan technique and not actual "will materialisation". --Sajuuk 12:38, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * What about Madara's statement then?--Elve Talk Page 18:40, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * Did we ever see Nagato actually produce the black rods? • Seelentau 愛 議 18:47, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * As he was controlling and channeling the abilities through the Six Paths, he made them produce the black rods.. biggest example is the Deva Path, so it's safe to assume that he can since he is making his paths do it too. QuakingStar (talk) 18:57, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * The Paths used by Nagato are dead bodies controlled by his chakra, therefore he was the user. He also produced a similar rod from his walking machine. --Sajuuk 19:00, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * Chapter numbers? • Seelentau 愛 議 19:22, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * It's in one of the chapters covered by this episode. --Sajuuk 19:42, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * Chapter 444, to be exact. Pretty morbid number... --JouXIII (talk) 19:52, May 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * And where did Nagato produce a rod there? • Seelentau 愛 議 19:54, May 11, 2016 (UTC)