Talk:Naruto Uzumaki/Archive 12

cleanup idea
It's pointless to have this when a redirect to Naruto Uzumaki's Jinchūriki Forms would be more than enough, don't you think? Why to have noted the same thing twice?--Elveonora (talk) 12:55, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Removing it completely won't be right... Maybe we could shorten it more.~ Ultimate  Supreme  13:00, January 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yep, shortening. "As a host of Kurama, the Nine-Tails, Naruto benefits from this and that, refer to his jinchuriky transformations article for more information" or something akin to that.--Elveonora (talk) 13:04, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * One line and repetition of the ?
 * It should have atleast a paragraph of good quality, maybe similar to what is in its Relationships section.~ Ultimate  Supreme  13:26, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that was just an example that I have used. That goes for jinchuriky section. Overall, his whole abilities section should be streamlined. For example, I don't think we should note him making a Rasengan without Shadow Clones or two of them at once WITH Kurama's chakra (this should stay purely in host forms article) the reason for this is because everyone with Kurama's chakra can do things they couldn't before. It's not Naruto's own skill--Elveonora (talk) 13:42, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Correction to many pages
The correction I am speaking of is the Drilling Air Bullets listed under ninjutsu that Naruto can use. It says it is only used in a game. I think they are talking about Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3, where he can use Wind Release: Air Bullets, not Drilling Air Bullets. It should be changed to such, since the Naruto, Drilling Air Bullets, and Air Bullet page are all incorrect. I am not sure how to change it, so I am posting this so someone else will. 192.183.30.172 (talk) 02:50, January 29, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 * The customisable wind technique Naruto can use in that game actually is Wind Release: Drilling Air Bullet, the kanji are the same. The reason it shows in Naruto's infobox is due to a software but in the extension used to make the infoboxes, something not easily fixable from our end. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:05, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to correct you, but I have the game on right now and it is Wind Release: Air Bullets. There is a separate page for air bullets. the only one who uses the drilling air bullet is the one tails. BUT since you say it is difficult to change, I won't ask you to correct it. Just please realize that it is in fact on the wrong page. Thanks! 192.183.30.172 (talk) 05:56, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 * And if you would bother looking at the article on that technique, you would see that Air Bullet is how the name of this technique was translated in English, for example, on TV. We add different translations if they differ between themselves. I have seen screenshots of the game in Japanese, and the kanji are the same. There's a reason we go to lengths to have the kanji of techniques, so we can get proper translations. Viz does a good job on dialogue, but the name of stuff sometimes gets change so instead of accuracy, it's either better sounding or simpler to understand. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:47, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

ok lets just mention pure logic. which is more likely: naruto using a technique that only the one tails can use or the one that is listed as a wind style jutsu that could technically be learned by anyone? come on. if you dont understand that there is a page for wind style air bullets here it is. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Wind_Release:_Air_Bullets simple enough. 192.183.30.172 (talk) 21:23, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 * That is an unnamed technique article. When manga or anime shows a technique without naming it, we create the article on the technique using a descriptive, generic name for it. That article in question was created when Nagato used that in an anime exclusive sequence, in March, last year. The game in which Naruto used the technique was released in 2009. And also, I should remind you: Naruto used the technique in a game. If you search for the kanji for other custom techniques from that game we also have articles on, specifically "雷遁・雷震閃" and "水遁・大鉄砲玉", you will find sites that list the kanji for custom jutsu certain characters can use. Among them, you will see the kanji for Shukaku's Wind Release technique. And to put the final nail on this topic: here is a thread in a forum, with screenshots of the game in Japanese (the forum is in Chinese, the screenshots are in Japanese). In the second image below the character selection screen, where custom jutsu are selectable, you will see the kanji for that Wind Release. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:39, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

It can have the same kanji and still have a different meaning. the names are so similar that they would probably have the same one. i dont know much about the japanese language, but this is the case with basically every language ever. but thats all i feel like arguing on this one case. Try not to base your whole argument on only one thing. 192.183.30.172 (talk) 21:58, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam

Taijutsu benchmark
So, looking through some recent changes to the article, I noticed someone readded a sentence to Naruto's taijutsu section, mentioning his taijutsu performance against Itachi. I know Itachi is great and all, but since when does he figure as a taijutsu benchmark? Itachi hardly has any taijutsu feats to reliably make him something to compare taijutsu aptitude with. If you want to go with databooks stats, yes he's skilled, but so is Orochimaru in genjutsu. I recall removing something like that last year. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:56, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Sharingan user + high taijutsu score = fast.--Elveonora (talk) 21:01, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

High taijutsu score means skill, not power. Sharingan itself isn't speed, just perception. I get the speed argument though, but those are not quite the arguments to make for it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:39, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Naruto's taijutsu is certainly above average, just look at people like Shikamaru, Ino and pretty much his peers, I'm yet to see them do some serious taijutsu fight... the only capable are Lee, Choji, Sakura, Hinata and perhaps Kiba (R.I.P. Neji) and the only one who can equal him in terms of physical strength and speed is Lee. But not to talk only about strength and speed, his fighting style/technique also matters... he knows frog punches and kicks and **** Being equal in taijutsu to not-ill Itachi who has a Sharingan thus can follow and predict movements speaks for itself alone, but if that's not enough for ya, then take into consideration the above as well, so... Oh, he also managed to keep up with Pain in his base mode for a short while and deflected Sasuke's kunai meant to kill Sakura--Elveonora (talk) 22:16, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not trying to downplay Naruto's taijutsu, I'm just saying that comparing it to Itachi's doesn't feel like the way to sell it. It's like saying pizza is good because the dough is tasty. Pizza is good, but dough isn't what gives it flavour. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:21, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Tools
OK first off he never owned Chakra blades. Asuma lent him his once so that shouldn't be their. and second when did he ever use a sword? (Evilpuppy (talk) 04:14, March 16, 2013 (UTC))

He trained using one. But you may be refering to the one that He used in the 4th Shippūden Movie. Though I can't remember when He wielded a sword at the moment.--Yomiko-chan (talk) 04:51, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

I've never seen the 4th movie so I'll have to take your word for it. but what about the chakra blades? (Evilpuppy (talk) 18:47, March 16, 2013 (UTC))
 * What do mean "what about the Chakra Blades"? I just said He used Asuma's for training a little in the Manga, and for like 3 episodes in the Anime. He used them enough and (eventually) showed enough skill with them, for Him to be list as a user of them. In the 4th Shippūden Movie He also used a special type of Chakra Blade, which He also showed skill with. I dunno when He used a Sword.--Yomiko-chan (talk) 20:08, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, like I said I've never seen the fourth movie. I thought you were just talking about the sword. (Evilpuppy (talk) 04:13, March 19, 2013 (UTC))
 * There's an archived discussion about that somewhere, don't recall if in the tool, character or episode. I don't recall the reasoning behind it, but it was obviously decided not to list him. If I had to guess, maybe something about the way he used it. We don't list B as a Kubikiribocho because of something like that as well. And we waited until Kakashi had actually used to sword to list him as well. It's not just a you touched it, you wielded it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:05, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

You sure Omni sensei? So why is Gaara listed as a user of Johyo ???--Elveonora (talk) 12:34, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's only a guess, I remember the discussion, not the details of it. And anyway, as a user pointed out in an edit summary, Naruto used the blades in an OVA, so that counts as anime. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:38, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'm talking about the sword, I'm okay with blades. Just realized it's game only and as we know erroneously showing up in his infobox while it shouldn't I guess. Thought he held one in anime/ova for a second and as a response to ur "holding =/= using" I wrote the above and questioned Gaara's usage of that rope since he only demonstrated it, never attacked anyone (I think) and that brings another topic, should Gaara be listed as a user of Johyo at all? It looked more like gymnastics to me--Elveonora (talk) 16:00, March 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * If he had the skill to instruct someone on it's use and demonstrate, he should be listed. --Questionaredude (talk) 16:04, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Gaara shouldn't be listed as a Johyo user, he's listed as such? Great, now I have to periodically click "expand" in the tool use section of infoboxes to see if someone is a user of something they shouldn't be. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:16, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

So if I hold a sword and swing without managing to cut myself in the process, does that make me a Kenjutsu specialist? They are ninja, fast reflexes and precise movements, what he did could be done with laces if he wanted or a jump rope EDIT: @Omni, glad u agree--Elveonora (talk) 16:21, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Chakra Flow
Shouldn't Chakra Flow be counted as a Jutsu? (Evilpuppy (talk) 04:23, March 19, 2013 (UTC))

No. Just like how Shape Transformation and Genjutsu aren't Jutsu, neither is Chakra Flow. It is a type of Jutsu.--Yomiko-chan (talk) 04:33, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Naruto's list of Ninja feats
1.Naruto first master Multi Shadow Clone Jutsu, a Jonin-Level Jutsu, the closest thing to that was Sasuke's Chunin-Level Fireball Jutsu. 2.He nexted defeated Haku of the Mist who was probably an ANBU-Level Shinobi. 3.He qualified for the Chunin Exam one semester after his Academy Graduation. 4.Naruto also managed to defeat one of Orochimaru's giant snakes with his bare hands. 5.He defeated Kiba, a taijutsu base oppenent, with taijutsu, despite the fact his chakra was sealed by the Five Prong Seal on his Eight Sign Seal. He summoned Gamabunta a Kage-Level summon. 6.He master the Water Walking Skill in less than an hour. 7.He defeated Neji Hyuga who was considered a genius by Hyuga standards. 8.He defeated Gaara who was easily Jonin-Level and a full-powered Jinchuriki. 9.He held his own against Kimimaro who was Orochimaru's strongest agent 10.he defeated Kabuto Yakushi. 11?.He managed to cause an injury to Jiraiya which was almost fatel, one of two Jiraiya has ever had. 12.He managed to defeat Itachi Uchiha's Shapeshifting Clone. 13.He nearly knocked out Deidara of Akatsuki. 14.He almost beat Orochimaru. 15.He master Wind Release in less than two weeks, and completed a S-Rank Kinjutsu during that time. 16.He killed Kakuzu of Akatsuki twice over and paralyzed him. 17.He trained and master Sage Mode in a fraction of the time it took Jiraiya and mastered it better than he did. 18.He defeated Pain of Akatsuki, with some help, a shinobi who destroyed the Leaf Village. 19.He master the Nine-Tails and single-handedly saved the Allied Shinobi Forces from defeat and he managed to defeat the Third Raikage using only a Shadow Clone. 20.He also outpaced Ay making him the fastest shinobi alive. 21.He defeated Six Reanimated Jinchuriki with the Tailed Beasts by himself as well as managed to de-mask Tobi. He also managed to hold his own against Edo Tensei Madara Uchiha.

Overall Naruto is far more accomplished than any of the Konoha 11 to the point where there is just no comparison and he could probably defeat them all by himself. Justin Holland (talk) 03:19, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

This is not a forum board.~ Ultimate  Supreme  04:12, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot, take it off if you want. Justin Holland (talk) 04:17, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

We should update the stats of the characters. Like Naruto, surely he has improved! Others too!

22:37, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Nope because we only ever update the stats when the databooks come out, the databooks are officially written by masashi kishimoto and he's the one who writes extra Info about characters and thats why we sometimes add references on pages, so I know this Isn't a forum and that you were only suggesting yes Naruto has Improved but we don't update them until the next databook Is released -- User:Jmootam1999 Loves Naruto 22:41, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Naruto's KCM Body Flicker
I think it should be probably stated on Naruto's article that he did in fact use the Body Flicker in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, and here's why.

We all know that the Body Flicker Technique is a high speed movement technique, in which a ninja uses their chakra to increase their speed to phenomenal levels, so with Naruto being Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, a mode that uses the Nine-Tails' chakra, it would make perfect sense as to why he gains an increase in speed because it would have to be from Body Flicker.

Another example is Naruto's fight with the Fourth Raikage. Think about it, in the beginning if he couldn't even get past The Fourth Raikage's Lv.1 speed, then how was Naruto able to completely dodge the Raikage's Lv.2 speed punch a few moments later?

He had to have used the Body Flicker in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.--Itachi7000 (talk) 18:24, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, cause you just said the obvious, if it isn't stated then I just don't know why. Chakra Mode just increases the effectiveness of his body flicker, the cloak by itself gives him a speed boost but an ordinary one. All high-speed movements in the series are a result of body flicker, except stated otherwise, an other technique that does this would be eight gates. It works for A the same, he has to use body flicker along with lightning release armor to achieve full speed, without the former, his attacks can be dodged like Sasuke did for example at close range--Elveonora (talk) 18:31, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Well in that case, it should properly stated on Naruto's article that he can use the Body Flicker in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.--Itachi7000 (talk) 18:36, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

That's like stating what color grass is. He can do it outside of the modes as well, bf is a generic technique almost everyone in the series knows. It should be only stated that he used it in those yellow flash/speed of light instances to make it clear--Elveonora (talk) 18:42, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Since when has Naruto moved at amazing speeds in his base form? According to the recent databooks, his base form speed is a 3.5, that's like around Tsunade's speed and we all know that she's really slow.--Itachi7000 (talk) 18:51, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

The stats show natural abilities/prowess, not taking into consideration techniques. Sakura has "only" 3 in strength and can shatter ground. And Naruto used body flicker many times, like kicking Gaara into the face or intervening with Sasuke's "kill the most useless character with a kunai" attempt--Elveonora (talk) 22:47, March 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Perhaps it is Body Flicker or perhaps it is Flying Thunder God Technique, the point is, we don't know at this stage... I remember that there was at one stage a big debate whether Naruto knows FTGT, but according to the users that took part in the debate, that has been proven false. However, I do think a new jutsu page must be created for Naruto's enhanced Chakra Mode speed, perhaps called "Nine Tails Enhanced Speed" or "Chakra Mode Enhanced Speed" or something along that line. Look at other jutsus that wasn't named in the manga or anime like Negative Emotions Sensing, Tailed Beast Telepathy or Twin Rasenshuriken. There are more, but I'm just giving some examples. I don't think Naruto's high speed is either BF or FTGT, but probably a new classifation under Tailed Beast skill. His speed was just as great as FTGT, so it probably deserves it's own justu page (like other unnamed justu pages), that is just how I feel. After all, even Shisui Uchiha's article got special treatment, because he had mastered BF better then any other ninja. Sparxs77 (talk) 10:05, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Jesus... Naruto doesn't know Hirashin, that's a space-time technique, Naruto doesn't teleport just move fast. And what he does is body flicker, just because with Kurama chakra it's faster doesn't mean it deserves it's own article, because with that logic we would also have to do "chakra mode: rasengan" "chakra mode: shadow clone technique" and for every ****--Elveonora (talk) 13:28, April 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wow, OK first of Elveonora, I have to ask: what is your problem with me? First you took me on about the Tailed Beast Mode Naruto colour image I uploaded, because, and I quote you "Cause it's not an official image" (go read my talk page) which has later been deducted as false, cause it is in fact official. Another example was when I left a message on Cerez's talk page "Little request!!" I felt like your comment was mocking, but I let it slide for my sake. But now your crude language towards me. It feels like your undermining me and I don't like it. I have done nothing towards you that justifies your attitude towards me. Secondly, I NEVER said Naruto knows FTGT. I said there was a debate, but I never said he knew it. Please read my statements before you go and saying stuff like "Jesus" to me!! I am not stupid... I feel if every unnamed technique gets it's own page, then why does this particular technique not? Sparxs77 (talk) 17:19, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, I don't care about you whatsoever in a negative but nor a positive way, just chill, you just are and I exist too, no feelings. Don't take the way I talk as personal, that's just my style. Sorry about the image, that's long concluded from the moment it was clarified as official. Also debates "what if, maybe" belong to a forum, because we KNOW it wasn't a Hirashin, thus pointless to even be hypothetical. If you aren't stupid, then you might have missed the answer to that one, because body flicker is still body flicker (and already has an article) there is no "this particular technique"--Elveonora (talk) 17:26, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

No hard feelings then... But I still don't quite agree with it just being a normal Body Flicker. Shisui got special treatment in regards to Body Flicker. Naruto beat Ay's Lightning Straight with, I feel, an advanced Nine Tails enchanced BF, as did his father with Hirashin (again, I am not saying that Naruto used Hirashin). And with all due respect said, as I said in my above argument, I have seen some jutsus on this wiki that I never had any idea was even a jutsu, and that they have even been named by the admins (you know those jutsus that display in italic on a character's jutsu page). All I'm saying is, if they get a page, why isn't something that is faster than Ay's Lightning Straight, being left in the dark? And I hear what you are saying, just hear my argument out too... Sparxs77 (talk) 16:03, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

For all we know, Shisui used an ordinary body flicker, it was simply likely his signature ability just like shadow clones are for Naruto, that's why the "special" treatment, as he was known for it and it was a part of his fighting style--Elveonora (talk) 17:10, April 15, 2013 (UTC)

Melded Chakra
Should we refer to the chakra used during Tailed Beast mode as a combination of Naruto and Kurama's chakra? Because that's what it is, right? So Naruto is giving not only Kurama's chakra during the Chakra Transfer Technique, but also his own.

No, there's no reason for him to give off his own chakra.--Elveonora (talk) 14:49, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Well that is true, but that is what he is doing anyway, isn't it? It definitely seems that way in the diagram that was shown when Kurama was explaining the process. His chakara is melded with Naruto's and Naruto shares that melded chakara. Especially since (well I'm naturally assuming) their chakara shrouds are orange, it must be the melded chakara. After all, when a few characters sense Naruto's Tailed Beast Mode Chakara, those being Orochimaru, Sasuke, that Cloud Ninja, and Minato, they say that Naruto's chakara is apart of it. I think Naruto is sharing the melded chakara.

Well, I can also see reason to leave it the way it is. Both things are said by several characters. So I guess it could be left alone...

That's not what the diagram was showing. All he does is changes Kurama chakra's signature into his own and then into other people's when he transfers that. Meaning that it's like if they were using their own, but with power of the fox. In TBM it's melded chakra, but not Naruto's own, but the extracted QB chakra turned Narutoish with original QB chakra, there's absolutely no reason for why he would waste his very own since he can cheat it this way. He would run out of chakra in no time the way you suggest. Also please, sign your comments, I won't do it for you again --Elveonora (talk) 17:01, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, you seem to know so I will take your word for it. But what is TBB? And QB (Kyuubi?)? 65.188.41.37 (talk) 18:02, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

My bad, TBR = tailed beast mode, and yes, QB stands for kyubi--Elveonora (talk) 23:43, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

NO they specifically say that when naruto goes into his nine tailed cloak his own chakra is shelved temporarily which was a weakness because kurama could slowly but surely consume naruto's chakra the way naruto did when he took control over kurama's which would mean naruto would die

Benchmarks Should Be updated
Naruto skill has improved a lot and cannot be in the sorry state of 26. His taijutsu is quite good able to knock down anyone who stands in his path in one hit. His genjutsu is acceptable but should be increased as now he wont be affected by it due to his and kurama's "friendship". His speed benchmark is what is wrong. His speed is at extreme levels and cannot be put up with. His intelligence in concepts and stuff are not quite good but his intelligence in diversion and tactics using his shadow clones is impressive.

Theses benchmarks need to be updated.

Then convince Kishimoto to publish another databook. Databooks stats come from databooks, we don't make those up. Seriously, how can people not know that? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:03, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Genin-Level Shinobi?
Should we still say 'genin-level shinobi'? He is a genin, but definitely not genin level.

Yes, because he officially is still Genin-leveled, even though he has far surpassed normal ninja. Gugi 08:40, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

How about genin-ranked then? Since it explains that he is genin rank, not genin ninja level? Justin Holland (talk) 08:49, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, what I said was wrong, what I meant to say was ranked not level. But he still is genin rank. In terms of level, he is far superior to most, probably all genin. Gugi 09:08, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

His rank is irrelevant tho, few consider him a Genin any longer, his Chunin and even Jonin friends admit him to be stronger, villagers call him Hokage material and he is not only allowed to partake in a world war, but also is an important figure without which it wouldn't be possible to win at all--Elveonora (talk) 09:57, April 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * It says genin-level because that's how the wikia decided to write it instead of saying people were genn-ranked. Semantics and bravado won't change the fact that on paper he's a genin.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 10:58, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

Yet at least in anime, Shikamaru refers to Sound Four as "Jounin level" referring to their skill/power rather than rank, so perhaps we should adapt to that and rather use "genin ranked"--Elveonora (talk) 11:44, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

possible birthday
Since I'm yet to see Road to Ninja subbed, can anyone confirm/deny if it was/wasn't a birthday celebration that he had there? The cake, stuff and all--Elveonora (talk) 13:03, April 19, 2013 (UTC)

i am assuming that it was his birthday why else would he have a cake..

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received chakra from... excluding octopus
If I remember well, during the fist bumping party, Shukaku wasn't present. Did Kishi add Shukaku there in tankoobon or something? I don't know why you changed back my edit Cerez, stating he got chakras from 7 beasts besides Kurama is true, Shukaku included and Gyuuki excluded might be an error--Elveonora (talk) 11:09, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * No change in the volume release. Naruto having Shukaku's chakra is very plot-holey if it's not properly explained in future chapters. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:52, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * It might be a huge oversight. --Questionaredude (talk) 03:27, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Synchronise with Kurama
From the article: "Kurama noted that Naruto was the only person who could completely synchronise with its chakra, due to his Uzumaki lineage as well as being a jinchūriki since childhood". The manga translation I'm reading says kushina's blood. I interpret that as meaning since his mother was the jinchūriki during her pregnancy and since naruto has been a jinchūriki from birth. I think that unless someone comes up with a translation of page chapter 617, page 7 that says "bloodline" it should be changed. — S im A nt 02:42, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Can be interpreted both ways, Uzumaki were chosen to serve and hosts for foxie cause of their qualities--Elveonora (talk) 10:53, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Mito wasn't chosen from what is said, she sealed it within herself to help her husband. And Kushina was selected for her special chakra chains that can bind the nine tails, not sync with it. — S im A nt 17:50, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Then it's the other, he was exposed to Kurama's chakra even before birth, making his body accustomed to it. But it's likely both, I remember Yamato stating the reason Naruto can endure it is cause his own chakra is strong--Elveonora (talk) 20:38, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think "Kushina's blood" and "Uzumaki lineage" mean the same thing and the reason Kurama was referring to was because the Uzumaki are descendants of the Sage of Six Paths. Loki29 (talk) 23:00, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Naruto isn't the last uzumaki. the only difference between him and others are his mother was a host as well. Also the senju and uchiha are descendants as well. — S im A nt 23:17, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Justu list
It seems that naruto's justu list has shuriken a bit, maybe fix it? Justin Holland (talk) 04:08, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Remote Tailed chakra cloak
How about we create a page for a supplementary move called Remote Tailed chakra cloak, a ability that allow to transfer his chakra to others, therby giving them a boost in the abilities, or something like that if we don't already have one. Tell me what you think. Justin Holland (talk) 21:27, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think your knowledge of current discussions is outdated. There's already such an article, and it's currently being discussed whether it stays or goes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:46, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe add that RCCM can also enhance the abilities of the wearers? Justin Holland (talk) 03:38, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think he is suggesting to create two articles for it, one for Naruto manipulating the cloaks, the other for him sharing the cloaks... So you still would like it gone Omni as would I? SuperSaiyan has a bad habit of exaggerating things. It hasn't been referenced as a new technique, it's not named, there wasn't time for him to develop it, thus it's just chakra transfer + chakra arms, I don't think it deserves an article... but I don't want to be the bad one since again, there are more pointless and even likely false articles sticking around just like Body Flame Technique and Attack Prevention Technique--Elveonora (talk) 13:15, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Will someone put chakra transfer technique back up? Justin Holland (talk) 21:09, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's there, what are you talking about...--Elveonora (talk) 21:36, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

on the just list 161.38.221.188 (talk) 22:06, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Headline quotes
Maybe we should think about putting up headline quotes for characters on top of their pages, like put up their signature quotes. What do you think? Justin Holland (talk) 05:14, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

In theory, I don't oppose such a suggestion, but I can anticipate lots of discussions over which quote should be used as main. Besides, the series is still on-going, so even if we do pick one, every week another one could become available. Every week there can be a change to the character which would make any given quote to cease being representative of a character. So, in practice, I oppose. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:02, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

blasphemy
So even after latest chapter, we sure Naruto isn't a sensor? He didn't appear surprised at all seeing Minato, like he was knowing all along. Also some ignored (despite anime not being truly canon, but should be referenced nevertheless) that Naruto stated he could sense CHAKRA in that sound four filler, and he wasn't even in Sage Mode? I mean, lots of sensors are case of something like elemental affinity is, they are born more sensitive just like some are born with a talent for a nature. Nowhere it says a person can't train to become a sensor over time.--Elveonora (talk) 09:43, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Bump--Elveonora (talk) 17:06, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Still not keen on saying Naruto is a sensor out of Sage Mode. His lack of surprise could be from recognising the kunai the split second before Minato appeared, or just plain old expecting crazy stuff to happen. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:34, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know, his comment: "you are just in time/right on time" obviously points to that he knew he was coming. He didn't even appear surprised his father is walking there and is a zombie, on top of that we can't simply ignore that anime have already made him a sensor outside of sage mode--Elveonora (talk) 17:40, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * How do we know he's just not dumb enough to have something like that not surprise him? Sometimes excitement can transcend shock, still it's odd, maybe he sensed him a long time ago.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 19:40, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe he sensed him while still in his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode around the same time Madara sensed Hashirama. Blackchaos27 (talk) 19:46, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * But chakra mode doesn't help him sense chakra, sage mode does--Elveonora (talk) 19:54, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe Kurama told him that the half of his chakra is headed towards them? Who knows, we should wait until next week, maybe Minato asks him himself something like "You don't look surprised to see me" or something like that.Norleon (talk) 19:56, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

I actually had a friend talk to me about this. He's not a sensor, Elve. Look at the chapter again. That massive Tailed Beast Ball suddenly vanishes, causing Naruto and several other shinobi to express shock. Then, the next page, Minato appears. Naruto is the only one that would've know that was Minato's technique, as Kushina told him how Minato blocked the Nine-Tails' own Tailed Beast Ball with the same move, hence, he already knew it was his father before he actually appeared. No sensing going on here. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 19:57, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm talking about his lack of surprise and his comment suggests he expected that to happen, so does his expression. But well, we better wait for the next chapter.--Elveonora (talk) 20:05, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * And I'm saying he already showed his surprise when the Ball vanished. But, when your dad does something you know only he can do, it kinda makes the surprise go away quickly. Naruto already knew that his dad could be the only person capable of such a feat, so his shock turned into excitement. As for the comment, Naruto has been making off-the-cuff statements like that since Chapter 1. He was just happy to see Minato. It would be best not to fuel speculation by examining his ever twitch as meaning something, like being able to sense chakra, all of a sudden, outside of Sage Mode. I doubt next week will shed anymore light on it, because I doubt Kishimoto really wants to spend time explaining Naruto's one statement, which has little, if no significance at all, when he has a plot to advance. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 20:10, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Unless we explicitly notice him detecting people outside of either of his modes, then no, he's not a sensor. Though, that being said, what constitutes being a sensor? He can keep up modes for long, extended periods of time and while limited to the forms, it is not limited in the form. All he would have to do is use any form to try and sense, which is really no different from anyone else trying to use their ability in sensing. As far as knowing what happened, I don't believe he did because we have no way of knowing. --98.101.165.89 (talk) 20:12, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's the point. Tobirama doesn't sense 24/7 too, he has to use a technique/concentrate chakra in order to do so, that isn't any different from Naruto--Elveonora (talk) 20:35, May 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, at least we know he knew they were all coming. So that part was proved right, Elv, lol. Though I'm still with you on the sensor part, and that he is one, if you compare how and why others are sensors, what it means to be one, etc. --Taynio (talk) 13:54, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Latest chapter confirmed he can sense with Kurama's chakra, before it was known only he could sense negative emotions, so dunno since when it's like this... at least it's true, has it been added already ?--Elveonora (talk) 14:04, May 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * That depends if the powers that be decide to step away from the "Must be this tall to ride" argument. And by that I mean must be sensing chakra 24/7, which it shouldn't be like that at all. --Taynio (talk) 14:07, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

This is actually easily explainable: Kurama's Yin chakra. Remember, Naruto was able to detect Kin and Gin's Kyubi chakra, even from within the Island Turtle's Chakra Isolation Chamber. Given Minato has Kurama's Yin chakra, it's not wonder he said that he sensed Minato earlier while in the Tailed Beast Mode. As for Hokage 1-3, he probably just detected their Killing Intent from far away because of his negative emotions sensing. Viola? :-D Skitts (talk) 20:05, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * "Genius meme" most likely he sensed Orochimaru's malice in the Edos or something, kinda like Kimimaro could tell Oro's chakra controlling him--Elveonora (talk) 22:14, May 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Naruto said he sensed chakra, so he sensed CHAKRA. I don't see what the big deal is about acknowledging that. The way I see it, his ability is not to sense purely negative emotions, but that his ability to sense chakra is so strong that he feels the emotions within it, like a powered up version of Karin's ability. And this isn't the first time he's said that he sensed chakra in kcm. He said it at least two other times in the manga, and a multitude of times in the anime. This info should have been in the negative emotions sensing article a WHILE ago. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 05:50, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * So please someone updated that accordingly--Elveonora (talk) 12:24, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

And this was also the first time it was stated Naruto could sense something other than negative emotions and Kurama's own chakra while in NCM. What you were arguing for is akin to arguing for Dust Release to be listed as a three nature combination prior to the revelation of kekkei tōta. Anyway isn't the article updated already? I could have sworn I read something like that yesterday. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:45, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not really, he already was stated to be a sensor while in KCM by anime team, that's why I brought it up before. Anime isn't the source of what's canon and what isn't, but its "facts" shouldn't go ignored as long as it doesn't contradict manga. Also while KCM, he could sense Kurama's chakra at least, that alone is chakra sensing--Elveonora (talk) 12:50, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * His Tailed Beast Mode sensory abilities has been mentioned.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:14, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's possible that Kurama is a sensor since it can feel chakra, so while he is in mode/s, he gains this power--Elveonora (talk) 13:20, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Again, I'm against. Naruto only mentions feeling Minato's chakra, which can be explained per my last post.us He doesn't mention feeling the chakra of the other Hokage, he merely says "The others are coming", which is again explicable via negative emotions detection (and if anyone was giving that off in spades, it'd Tobirama). If Naruto was a sensor in TBM, there'd have been no need for him to use Sage Mode to fiddle that chakra receivers in the Tailed Beasts, or to gauge the Jubi's chakra (which was Kurama's suggestion, mind you). TL;DR The evidence against TBM chakra-sensing outweighs thee circumspect and explicable evidence for it.us Thoughts? Skitts (talk) 06:23, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Naruto must of knew Minato was coming maybe because of Kurama telling him that Its Minato for sure who coming, as Kurama Is probably a sensor all the tailed beats are I think, so lets stop arguing --ROOT 根 (talk) 06:46, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

Madara??
"Shocked by the depths of his hatred, Kakashi resolved to kill Sasuke, but was stopped by Naruto, who instead fought Sasuke head-on; matching his Rasengan with the latter's Chidori. Both survived the clash, with Madara and Zetsu coming to Sasuke's aid. "

I hope the admin edit such mistake immediately - since there are no permission for regular members to edit this. The one in the five kage summit arc was Tobi/Obito instead of the real Madara Edbertp (talk) 05:41, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Obito was going by Madara at that point, so that's why he is called Madara in the article.TricksterKing (talk) 06:57, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Would it be okay if we mentions how Madara calle dNaruto the heart of the ninja alliance in the page? Justin Holland (talk) 21:01, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Character's main pic
As we can see, Naruto's pic is on his young form, Isn't better to add another tab that is written on it "Older form" and put a picture of him in his older form. If so then we have to apply this in other character's pages that has Young/Older Form. Also a Manga form if it is needed. -- Tsurugi_Kyousuke_10 (talk) 21:54, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Refer to image policy. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:22, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Ah! okay, Now I know, Thanks for the answer. --Tsurugi_Kyousuke_10 (talk) 10:28, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox Tabber
I Recently Tabbed The Infobox To Include Both Pre-skip And Post-Skip Naruto. Someone Undid This. Can Someone Tell Me Why? 2myname1 (talk) 01:25, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Character infoboxes only have 1 image, and it's their appearance when they first appeared in the series, unless its a difference between anime and manga. The only exception to this is Tobi, which shouldn't be the exception but a lot of people would have anal fits if one of those images are removed.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 01:57, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Revival of Tabbing
Based on the discussion here, anyone want to upload some potential candidates for images depicting Naruto in Part II ? He can't be using Sage Mode, NTCM, TBM or anything unique like that. --Speysider Talk Page 07:18, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Classification
Shouldn't Naruto be classed as a pseudo Jinchuuriki, if his father Minato is considered one? Minato has Half, Naruto has half. Same distribution (by the same method) of Kurama's Chakra.--~Dean
 * No. Naruto has the actual beast sealed inside him so he's a jinchūriki. Minato has the beast's chakra, but not its physical body.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:12, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Anime VS Manga
To much is mixed between the anime and manga, seeming to go past the present time of the anime so why not fix the article to better differate the difference? Boredfan1 (talk) 06:43, July 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * We list events chronologically. When it changes to anime stuff, it is mentioned. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:39, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

I have read through the whole thing before, there is little to differate the two and I'm pretty sure the manga goes past the current time in the anime but not everyone reads the manga so it's difficult to tell even with the occasional things that tells the difference. Boredfan1 (talk) 20:11, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Earth Style
I have see Naruto come out of the earth against Neji and anime arcs. Is it possible Naruto could use Earth Style?
 * What he used against Neji during the chunin exam was just digging with his own hands, no technique involving chakra. Which anime arcs are you referring to? Also, remember to sign your posts. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 04:43, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Some of the pre shippuden anime only arcsPlatinumninja | Talk | Contributions
 * Not hint at all? Jacce | Talk | Contributions 07:28, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Before or after Timeskip
I have a question about the character image. Should it be changed to after timeskip? And for future reference, the policy in character images: ''In the infobox: If there is a discrepancy between the manga image and anime image, then both a manga image and an anime image should be used. Otherwise an anime image alone suffices. Appearance Section: The primary image should be near flawless and show as much of the character in colour as possible, and if possible the image should be from the manga as it is the closest to the original concept of the author.'' It says nothing of timeskips, so this isn't a matter of policy. Besides, the current image does not "show as much of the character in colour as possible" so it should be changed anyways.2myname1 (talk) 05:22, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Second paragraph. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 06:30, July 24, 2013 (UTC)

One hand rasengan ?
i am not sure but this looked like a one hand rasengan right ? if so it show some improvement toward that technique concerning Naruto .. just want you all idea on that--Tchad1 (talk) 11:15, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's what it certainly looked like to me. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 11:16, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe he used a clone but we didnt see it?--Salamancc (talk) 11:25, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * He holds up a Rasengan with one hand. So what? We did not see him creating it with one hand, so there's no way to say if he improved. Seelentau 愛議 12:39, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * We see him in all previuos panels and he's just standing there gathering natural energy and then suddenly holds up a Rasengan, which he has not been seen doing outside of KCM, without a clone. Kishi's been drawing this manga for long enough not to forget a clone. That was intentional. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 12:43, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm with fox on this one. A clone would have definitely been drawn if it were there--Elveonora (talk) 12:49, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * There's another instance where this might have happened. Gamabunta's mouth against Animal Path during Invasion of Pain. Naruto was in Sage Mode, and he couldn't make more clones without disrupting the ones at Myobokuzan. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:57, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * He did create clones, Omni. He could create up to three without disrupting the clones at Myobokuzan, remember? That's how he preformed Rasenshuriken. Formed three, made Rasenshuriken, Sage Mode went poof, then summoned a clone from Myobokuzan. This time, he didn't even create one clone. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 02:36, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * And they were all outside of Gamabunta's mouth. Only Naruto or one of his clones was in there. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:52, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Well, regardless, we saw him form Rasengan back then with the Sage Mode activated, using clones. I've been just flipping through those chapters (have the takōban) and, you're right about that, but its the singular instance of that... until now. In fact, just a scene or two before the one you mention, he uses two Rasengan with the aid of clones, so I'm sure he used the clone in that case too, we just never saw it because in one panel, its pitch black, and the next, he's attacking. Here, we can literally follow it from one panel to the next and no clone was formed, there was no poof, nothing to obscure our vision of a would-be clone. We just see Naruto mediating, then raise his hand with a Rasengan. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 03:04, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Naruto's birthday
I seem to remember one of the Naruto games said the year of Naruto's birthday is 1992. Should we add that? Kirothereaper (talk) 03:11, August 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Which game? I don't remember there being specific dates for birthdays, especially not like that since the timeline isn't the same as ours. Joshbl56  03:13, August 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * Naruto: Clash of Ninja 2 game Kirothereaper (talk) 03:22, August 10, 2013 (UTC)

Trivia Cleanup
I took a look at the trivia section and some of the points don't have much relevance to the wiki. I mean, this is the Naruto wiki, why are we making trivia notes about some holiday in Japan that just so happened to occur on the same date of Naruto's birthday or that the author of One Piece originally was going to name his protagonist character Naruto but changed the name ? Unless I'm mistaken, the trivia area is to refer to important points about the character and its relation to the series as a whole (so things like "In episode X, the technique was incorrectly depicted as Y but was later corrected in episode Z" would be trivia notes). Discuss. --Speysider Talk Page 17:30, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the trivia section does need relevant stuff but we could create like some interesting facts section that we could add on pages that involve some fun trivial sort of stuff about that character like the onepiece author naming his character naruto and bla bla we could do that for other characters too but we could put it under trivia but like fun trivial facts anyway back to your point Speysider-san I totally agree with you but I wouldn't like to see some of the trivia stuff there be deleted maybe we could keep them for something like I mentioned in my first sentence -- Root 根  17:38, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

image
I was wondering since Naruto has changed a lot, whether it would be better to have a picture of him in Shippuden for the Infobox.  •Wanty• That's fine too! 18:39, August 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Please see Part I / Part II images, it discusses this very issue. --Speysider Talk Page 18:47, August 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've seen you've come to a decision about the tabs, so may I suggest a Part II image?  •Wanty• That's fine too! 15:20, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sure, feel free to suggest an image. It might get people to notice this discussion. --Speysider Talk Page 15:29, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

How 'bout that?  •Wanty• That's fine too! 19:13, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * A bit poor quality, also he is rather close to the camera. Anyone else got any suggestions ? --Speysider Talk Page 19:19, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Is the current one from the dvd? It looks that quality.  •Wanty• That's fine too! 19:34, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, the image currently there came from the DVD's. Your image has a blurry look to it when I view it. --Speysider Talk Page 19:36, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not a fan of the sweat drop. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:10, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

, ~SnapperTo 21:37, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Link #5. Senju_Symbol.svgKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 21:45, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

I like 5 more because it has a more natural look, but 4 would be good because it's a front view.  •Wanty• That's fine too! 23:04, September 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Personally prefer 4 but 5 is a better candidate to go in the infobox. --Speysider Talk Page 06:59, September 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * I lean more towards 5 if it matters...--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 10:13, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5 definitely.--Elveonora (talk) 12:41, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5. Both of them have a sort stepford smiler/axcrazy sociopath thing going on, but the slight angle on 5 breaks most of that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:08, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

So when exactly can we add the new pictures? ?_?

In any case here are my pic suggestions- If we want a serious Naruto or a more welcoming look --Hordy4040 (talk) 07:23, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Too dark, weird angle. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:17, September 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * The consensus seems to be Snapper2's Link 5 image. Whoever has access to a high quality stream (preferably the DVD Box Set's) and knows which episode that image comes from, please upload and add to infobox, thanks. --Speysider Talk Page 20:12, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

The pic is from episode 2 of Shippūden.  •Wanty• That's fine too! 00:04, September 11, 2013 (UTC)

Chakra level
Why isn't it noted here that the fox was able to rejuvenate itself back to normal using the fox's chakra? Isn't it a valid point? To match the lion-share chakra of the Nine Tailed Demon Fox? (or Kurama, I prefer the former)Lightning Blast (talk) 10:32, August 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wha... try that again?--Elveonora (talk) 21:55, August 31, 2013 (UTC)

The fox was skinny after Naruto took most of its chakra but after taking some of Naruto's chakra it was able to return to normal while Naruto was not tired at all. It was said in the fox's article. So why isn't it given as a testament to Naruto's chakra level. I once added it long back but it got removed, so now I'm in the talk page.Lightning Blast (talk) 14:10, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * If the fox was feeding off Naruto's to build up its own stamina, how exactly would Naruto be tired when he's not using his own chakra? --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 16:14, September 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Isn't it more likely that the chakra and stamina of the fox was naturally regenerating, like everyone else does? --Speysider Talk Page 21:28, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

by the accursed whiskers
I have to ask again, where was that stated? As of late I see Seelentau looking through articles and as such I'm surprised this hasn't caught his eye yet, in case it did, I'd like his opinion. Is there at least a fart of evidence either in manga or databooks to back that up? To me it seems like fandom connecting dots, possibly seeing things that aren't even there. "OMG FOXCHAKRA DURING PREGNANCY MADE HIM A MUTANT, NUFF SAID" it simply isn't to my knowledge coming from anywhere and something that doesn't come from official sources is speculation. And don't bring up Gaara please, since we were even told that those black rings resulted from insomnia and later mysteriously manifested on his father as a sign of using magnet release, oversize tattooed sand racoons do not fall under this sadly. And as has been well put into words by our friend Omega on narutoanswerswiki, it requires a leap of faith to pass, but since this is about referencing Masashi Kishimoto's work "Naruto" and not religion, I wonder how is that justified.--Elveonora (talk) 21:42, September 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * At most old data. It was speculated that both he and Gaara had physical deformaties due to their mothers and the tailed beasts (Gaara's eye rings, Narutos whisker marks). /shrug probably worth a trivia note (similar to Roshi and the Four-Tails sharing hair styles).--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 21:50, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * They do? 0_0 That's it, Roshi must be half man-half monkey, either evolution went wrong or he was affected by Son Goku's chakra/DNA whatever bull**** fandom comes up with, should be noted!!!--Elveonora (talk) 22:09, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Honestly, the fandom never got that far. They just figured "Rings around Gaara's eyes came from Shukaku", "Whisker marks came from Nine-Tails", the latter given more weight by Naruto's whiskers getting more pronounced whenever he was using demon chakra. But really it was merely physical adnormablities from their statuses as living containers, not uncommon in fiction where hosts of some sort of monster would gain some physical mark of that monster.
 * And that being said, yeah this wouldn't hurt to mention.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 22:22, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * And Killer B gets spiky teeth while using Gyuki's chakra despite the beast having straight teeth. Their bodies respond to the chakra, doesn't meant Naruto's whiskers wouldn't pronounce more had he been Shukaku's jinchuuriki for example.--Elveonora (talk) 11:58, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * What exactly are we arguing about?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:02, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

"Naruto's most prominent physical characteristics, however, are the whisker marks on his face that he gained from Kurama's influence on him while he was in Kushina's womb" other articles also word it like a fact. It should be changed a bit and most of it moved to trivia. The only thing that should be mentioned is that the whisker markings may have a relation to Kurama due to Ginkaku and Kinkaku having them. The thing is, we didn't see their faces prior to them getting swallowed.--Elveonora (talk) 12:08, September 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I already said that was old data, then I went on a speal about why it was there in the first place, followed by suggest mentioning it in trivia that the fox jinchuriki had fox whiskers because I knew you wanted to have it removed.
 * I honestly have no idea what else there is to talk about, unless you are vehemently opposed to a trivia mention.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:11, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Wow, that's SO old I didn't even know people still believe it to be true. Of course Naruto didn't gain the whiskers by being in a jinchūriki's womb. They're there because Kishi wants them to be there. Not every dot in the manga has a deeper meaning. Or shall we discuss about Kurenai's eyes being deformed Rinnegan next or why Itachi has these weird lines around his nose? Let's move it to the Trivia, re-write it to remove speculation and be done with it. Seelentau 愛議 12:18, September 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's the outcome I wanted. /shrug--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:20, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yaayyy!!! I kept going on because I think some may disagree and oppose the idea, it's not like 3 people alone make a decision, or? For example Cerez is the mutation theory believer--Elveonora (talk) 12:24, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * The funny thing is: It doesn't matter what anyone believes. That's the good thing about wikis, you don't add what you believe to be correct, but what was stated to be correct. And since it was never stated that Naruto got these marks b/c of Kushina being a host and all, it has to be removed. Simple as that. Anything else would be against what a Wiki stands for. Seelentau 愛議 12:35, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's my point all along. In the past, lots of wikis have been disbanded or have separated because of disagreements between editors and even administration as of how to run one (hopefully it doesn't happen here)

I believe that 3rd and 4th Kazekages are father and son, both look almost the same and have magnet release (also the position may be inherited) and you can't deny because it doesn't contradict anything, but no matter how likely it is, I don't add it there acting like if it were a stated fact. It's a matter of faith/logic vs canon only, good example would be Ash Ketchum/Satoshi of Pokemon still being 10 years old even tho years have passed in the universe. Logically, wars appear about if he should be listed 10 because canon says so, or 1x whatever because he started his adventure "insert many days" ago.--Elveonora (talk) 12:48, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't need to deny it, since the manga never stated that they're related. Therefore, even how likely it may be, they aren't related. It's not My theory is confirmed until the manga prooves it wrong., it's The manga gives us the facts and we only add the facts, your theory doesn't matter. Of course we still have to apply logic, but that's another discussion. Let's end this already. ^_^ Seelentau 愛議 12:58, September 10, 2013 (UTC)