Talk:Nine-Tails Chakra Mode

Add chikara arc pics
i feel that it may be beneficial to include pics of the incomplete chakra mode and tailed beast mode. What do you think? Justin Holland (talk) 02:01, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Obtaining the form
should we note what was necessary to acquire this form in the first place? Naruto's transformations are otherwise normal without removing Kurama's influence upon them.--77.101.215.79 (talk) 09:07, June 30, 2013 (UTC)

Nature
Should we add nature to this jutsu like Yin Release (Minato) and Yang Release (Naruto) ? --Salamancc (talk) 14:52, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yin chakra and Yang chakra are not, as far as we know, Yin Release and Yang Release. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:06, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Who sais this is a jutsu?--Charmanking2198 (talk) 15:42, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

The nine-tailed chakra mode is not a jutsu it's a transformation that's only avaiable by those who have mastered the nine-tails power.Plus why is it listed a Ninjutsu it's a tailed beast skill that only jinchurikis can know not ninjutsu.Whiteraven1 (talk) 17:08, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

It's something. Sage Mode is listed as just senjutsu, so maybe this should stay as just TBS. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:21, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Nine-Tails Chakra Mode vs Tailed Beast Mode
Soo one thing i've been meaning to discuss. I've been wondering if the second version of Naruto's chakra isn't just a enhanced or complete version of NTCM rather than being a part of the TBM. To me the TBM is just Naruto creating the giant fox-replica not the second cloak and i move to redo that specific part. By following the article of the jinchuriki forms, TBM is the jinchuriki assuming the full form of the Tailed Beast, with no mention to the second cloak...so this should be changed to reflect that. Any opinions? Darksusanoo (talk) 21:38, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's correct. I used to be like that but got changed, dunno why. It should be called "combined chakra mode" or something--Elveonora (talk) 22:00, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Naruto's second cloak works on the same timer as his Kurama replica though, he can't use it without melding his chakra with Kurama's, which is essentially what Tailed Beast Mode is, isn't it?--BeyondRed (talk) 01:02, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Tailed Beast Mode is the jinchuriki assuming the beast's full form...for a "comparison" this second cloak would be something closer to a Version 2 cloak. Darksusanoo (talk) 01:13, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * True, but I meant that that is how Tailed Beast Mode is used. Naruto can't use the Kurama construct without the cloak and both were introduced in the chapter titled Tailed Beast Mode, so I feel like they were intended to be the same thing.--BeyondRed (talk) 02:01, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * The only connection they have is that Naruto is making a direct link with Kurama which is what develops the cloak and allows for the TBM to emerge...that's about it. Darksusanoo (talk) 02:14, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Improved Sensing in SBM.
Ten-Tail Fox, all I'm putting is that Sage Tailed Beast Mode improves Naruto's sensing abilities. He was unable to track Obito before, then this chapter he was able to with his improved sensing. Its not a 'new ability' its an improved ability. What's wrong with adding that?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:11, October 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Because it is a trait of Sage Mode, not Kurama's chakra. Secondly, Naruto didn't "improve". He himself noted he was simply getting used to tracking Obito's movements. Its like this; a pitcher throws a ball 5 times, and I hit the ball 3 of those 5 times. The pitcher throws the ball 5 more times, and this time I hit 4 of them. Once again, and this time, I hit all 5. Its not because my ability "improved", it is simply because I am getting used to the trajectory and timing of the ball and am better able to track it's movements in anticipation for swinging my bat. That's exactly what Naruto was doing. All you were doing was adding fluff. Its unneeded. Its not even an ability of this mode. Sensing chakra has always been apart of Sage Mode. The Nine-Tails chakra did nothing to improve it. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 21:28, October 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nicely put, Fox-Boss. Senju_Symbol.svgKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 21:38, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Kurama Mode
Alright...I tried to add this name to the "Other" section, but it got removed. In the reference I put, Naruto said "let's bring the Kurama Mode to the next level and turn into a Bijū!", also in the first page of chapter 660 Naruto stated that he could undo his Kurama Mode. Cerez365 thought it was a name only for Naruto's Tailed Beast Mode. I'd say it's still worth mentioning, at least in the Tailed Beast Mode section.--JOA20 (talk) 21:15, December 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't recall it being used in this Mode. If it was then you can feel free to re-add it along with the reference. I do agree that it can be added to his Tailed Beast Mode section.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 21:23, December 25, 2013 (UTC)

Seperate Article for Six Paths Senjutsu?
Not really sure which article is the best place to make this topic, but as Naruto's new "mode" has been placed in this article, I figured it would serve.

Madara clearly identifies that the powers granted to Sasuke and Naruto were the Rinnegan and Six Paths Senjutsu (or however it is to be translated; I assume the kanji will be Rikudo Senjutsu), which are each visually identified: Sasuke's left eye and the seal on Naruto's back (incidentally, the patterns of the Rinnegan and the seal could be described as bhavacakra with one featuring an internal arrangement of 9 tomoe and the other an external arrangement of 9 tomoe, which I'm sure is intentional symbolism). Madara also indicates that he likewise wields both of these powers.

At present, the techniques and the seal pattern that seem to be associated with Six Paths Senjutsu (including the Truthseeker Orbs) are currently described as Tailed Beast skills resulting from the "Ten-Tails Sealing Technique," which doesn't seem to be entirely correct given the latest chapter.

It seems to me that these two powers actually represent the respective mental and physical aspects of Hagoromo's powers, which were passed down to Indra and Asura, and which manifest when the Uchiha and Senju chakras are reunited in a single host. Madara and Obito awakened the ability upon absorbing the Ten Tails (perhaps because it is able to passively gather the Natural Energy required to power Senjutsu, an ability which they previously lacked), but I don't think they're specifically linked to the Ten Tails, given that Obito and Naruto can both use the techniques without being the Ten Tails' Jinchuriki. FF-Suzaku (talk) 07:47, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

The mode nature?
Some named Omega64 said this about the mode:

Minato and Naruto were both said by Kurama to share a special ability. This ability is the ability change chakra's signature and manipulate it. This is how Naruto created the Nine-Tails' Chakra Cloaks for the entire alliance, even though chakra of Tailed Beasts normally takes years to adjust to. It is this ability that is believe to have been fused with Naruto's Jinchuriki Transformations. Once Naruto gained the chakra, he subconsciously converted it into his own signature. This is something that Bee does not do. Thus that chakra takes a form similar to his chakra's signature, which is that of Asura. Minato had a similar ability, and thus had a similar outcome when he manipulated the signature. Minato is most likely a descendant of the Senju and thus Asura, and so his signature is probably the same as Naruto, especially since they are father and son.

-Omega64

Shouldn't this be put somewhere in the page? Justin Holland (talk) 02:45, November 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * That is Omega and mine's interpretation of chakra mode. Lets wait what Jin no Sho has to say about it.--Elve Talk Page 10:13, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Minato
Why is it called Nine Tails chakra mode for Minato and Tailed Beast mode for Naruto? they look same to me, in the tailed beast mode a person can undergo full transformation Minato was able to that, there is a difference in appearance between nine tails chakra mode and TB mode, chaka mode doesn't have shroud but cloak with seal, while Tailed Beast mode has a shroud with high collar. When Naruto opened the seal in ch 570 and that was the first time we see chakra mode transforming into Tailed Beast Mode. Is it because we are assuming Minato already had Hokage shroud and it is just chakra mode because he didn't open his seal, but there was no gate between them Minato and Yin Kurama were freely able to communicate with each other.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 08:55, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Minato is in Tailed Beast Mode when he gets slit pupils (chapter 645), like Naruto. Otherwise, he's in basic Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.--JOA2009:02, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 09:20, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * And yet Naruto had normal eyes while he was in Kurama mode (645 page 1) but when he was about to undergo full transformation he got slit pupils, similarly Minato also underwent same transformation and he got slit pupils before transforming, so how is Naruto in Kurama mode before going for full transformation but not Minato, because Naruto and Minato both had normal pupil?--Mecha Naruto (talk) 10:09, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * According to the databook, Naruto's second chakra cloak form is called "Kurama Mode" and it is the complete version of "Nine-Tails Chakra Mode" (which doesn't get its own entry). The Kurama Mode entry says that it is a form in which Naruto can perform the Tailed Beast Ball and undergo Tailed Beast Transformation (the more commonly used named for what we call Tailed Beast Mode). Minato's databook entry calls refers to his form as Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, not Kurama Mode. So for whatever reason, Minato doesn't get a second more powerful form, he just skips straight to Tailed Beast Mode. We don't even know why Naruto and Minato can enter these unique forms in the first place, so of course we also don't know why Naruto gets two forms and Minato only gets one. The Last only complicates things further, with Naruto no longer entering Kurama Mode and just manifesting Kurama in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode like Minato (except outside of his body). In other words, it's all really confusing.--BeyondRed (talk) 11:20, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

So its chakra mode for Minato, thank you for clearing things, I remember Kurama saying something about Naruto's seal limiting quantity of chakra transfer to Naruto and that is why Naruto opened the seal and Kurama cooperated to give him greater amount of chakra for his Kurama Mode. And we see Yin Kurama cooperated well with Minato, so I thought he has no problem with second form/ Tailed Beast Mode since there is practically no difference between Naruto's Tailed Beast Mode and his chakra Mode. And yeah it really is confusing considering The Last.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 19:46, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Dunno why the forms are referred to as different names, but just leaving this here: In Retsu no Sho, Naruto's Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, Tailed Beast Mode and Tailed Beast Sage Mode are all referred to as "Kurama Chakra Mode."
 * 05:42, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * In addition, Killer B consistently refers to Naruto's first form as "Tailed Beast Chakra Mode". So there probably isn't any one particular "correct" name like there is for something like Sage Mode.--BeyondRed (talk) 06:43, March 7, 2015 (UTC)

Kurama Mode 2
I think that Mode from gaiden should be added as the complete mode in should be added or listed as Kurama mode, due to the same patterns it shares with the Yang half of the mode.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 01:52, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Discuss that here please, we don't need this stretched across talkpages. Better to keep it in one discussion. 01:57, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Mode in The Last
Why do we continue to state the mode seen in The Last is the first form (Nine-Tails Chakra Mode) and not the complete Kurama Mode? Aside from having a simpler appearance, it has all the signs of Kurama Mode: the black circles, the thick facial lines, the slitted eyes, and most importantly the ability to manifest Kurama. If anything, going by Gaiden and the Boruto movie having different cloaks, it appears that Naruto's shroud simply changes appearance to adapt to his clothing.--BeyondRed (talk) 04:47, August 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * I have similar thoughts, Naruto's form seems to adapt to his clothing which makes it look like Nine Tails Chakra Mode but should really be Kurama Mode. It's alright to keep it as it is though because we don't have definite proof as well as Kurama mode, when activated, takes on a cloak appearance. It can be afterall an improvement to Nine tails chakra mode after the war anywho. NewGenToneri (talk) 05:36, August 24, 2015 (UTC)NewGenToneri
 * The slit eyes aren't always present in Kurama mode.--Elve Talk Page 10:20, August 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * Spitballing here, wouldn't Kurama Mode and Nine-Tails Chakra Mode be exactly the same thing? With the none-cloaked Chakra Mode being Nine-Tails Chakra Mode and the cloaked version being Tailed Beast Mode.
 * I mean, when you think about it why would Naruto refer to it as Nine-Tails Chakra Mode when he learns Kurama's name and would use that instead? So what I'm getting at is Nine-Tails Chakra Mode and Kurama Mode are the exact same thing. When you start adding the cloak that forms that is Tailed Beast Mode (in human form), which displays tailed beast things (such as manifesting tails and the like, stuff Naruto has never displayed while in basic Nine-Tails Chakra Mode).--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 10:33, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

As far as I know, when Naruto gains slit pupils, he can manifest Kurama (Tailed Beast Mode). I always thought of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode as the form where Naruto has not synchronized with Kurama, and of Kurama Mode as the form where Naruto can manifest Kurama's body. Slit pupils should be enough to indicate that Naruto is in Kurama Mode, not Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. Not to mention that in The Last Naruto had manifested Kurama, albeit outside of his body. I say Kurama Mode.--JOA2010:42, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

Nah, the first version is when Naruto takes Kurama's chakra, adapts it and uses for himself. The second version (cloak) is when the two merge their chakras. About the actual terms, shrugs, there seem to be many.--Elve Talk Page 10:56, August 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well not quite. Naruto uses the regular Nine-Tails Chakra Mode when Sakura man-modes a bunch of Ten-Tail rejects, which is of course long after he and Kurama merged chakra. Hence why I stated the difference between "cloaked" and "non-cloaked" is simply extent of it all. I guess to put it more simply; Non-Cloak = Version 1, Cloak = Version 2.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 11:07, August 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * Um, they didn't merge chakras permanently, they do so each time he enters TBM--Elve Talk Page 11:09, August 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * And this was stated where exactly? As far as I am aware their chakra was always merged after their heart to heart.-TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 11:19, August 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * How would that even work? They run out of chakra and if their chakras were merged all the time, Naruto would be QB powered all the time, no?--Elve Talk Page 11:26, August 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * I would assume, as I stated before, it based on extent. I highly doubt Naruto just has a bunch of Kurama's chakra on standby like he did when he forcibly took the chakra, hence why when Kurama was really low on chakra he could still enter Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. I am unsure if chakra can even merge to the level you stated it could (in that Naruto and Kurama are now of One Chakra), but admittingly my knowledge of chakra is very limited. I am just of the mind that Nine-Tails/Kurama Mode and Tailed Beast Mode is if Naruto has a cloak or not.-TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 11:37, August 24, 2015 (UTC)

The thing is, Jin no Sho is very consistent when it comes to naming Naruto's two chakra modes. Naruto is listed as the only user of "Kurama Mode", which is described as the complete version of "Nine-Tails Chakra Mode". Meanwhile, Minato's entry calls his form "Nine-Tails Chakra Mode" which makes sense since it greatly resembles Naruto's incomplete shroud. Meanwhile, Retsu no Sho describes the shroud in The Last as "Kurama Chakra Mode" which could honestly mean either form. The mode from Gaiden and the two from Boruto the Movie haven't been called by any name so we have no idea what they are without speculating. What if we put all information about the forms from The Last, Gaiden, and Boruto into a single new section on this page? That way we could entirely avoid speculating about how they relate to the three shrouds seen in the manga.--BeyondRed (talk) 00:36, September 16, 2015 (UTC)

Colors of the Yin and Yang Kurama Tailed Beast Modes?
Can anybody tell me what color are Minato's and Naruto's Tailed Beast Modes in the anime? Like an actual color names cause I have been trying to find out and haven't been having much success.MathiasDante02 (talk) 07:43, September 14, 2015 (UTC) MathiasDante02

What is "Kurama Mode"
This is mainly to do with the little gallery under the Appearance section. We know Kurama Mode is the human size Tailed Beast Mode Naruto donned during the war. That's awesome. But then we have his appearance in the Last, Naruto Gaiden, and Boruto movie, where the shroud is referred to as "Sage Nine-Tails Chakra Mode", "Six Paths Kurama Mode" and "Six Paths Nine-Tails Chakra Mode". I'm not sure if this is a matter of inconsistency in what we are calling his form or they are in fact 3 different stages. So...thoughts?--TheUltimate3 (talk) 11:38, November 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * Kurama mode is a chakra form of Kurama, but that form als ohas a stage for Naruto chakra cloak himself. When Naruto enter's Kurama mode his cloak is different from nine tail chakra mode and there he can willingly use his tailed beast mode (kurama mode) freely, and is within it, hence why it is called Kurama mode.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 21:29, November 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * Essentially they are the same thing, they are synonymous. --Sharingan91 (talk) 15:06, November 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * I proposed above that we could place the forms from after the manga's end in their own section, since we don't know whether they're called "Nine-Tails Chakra Mode", "Kurama Mode", "Six Paths Sage Mode", or something else entirely. Not sure what to call that section though. At the very least, we do have a name for the form in The Last (Kurama Chakra Mode), but whether the forms from Gaiden and Boruto are the same is unknown.--BeyondRed (talk) 16:17, November 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * @Sharingan. Yes, only differences is that Kurama mode is much faster, and stronger than Nine tail Chakra mode. @ Beyond. Best leave it like that, and we can tell what's what from the appearance of the form, there are differences.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 21:31, November 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * So this entire thing is really one of semantics? Because remember, Nine-Tails Chakra Mode is, at least as I could gather from the manga, names such because Naruto did not know Kurama's name. Once he did, he stopped calling it such and called every form "Kurama Mode". And that doesn't even get into the real issue I have with the article and that's the naming of the three forms showed outside the manga, which I mentioned.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 11:21, November 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is really one of Semantics. but remember, Kurama mode is Tailed Beast mode, only thing is that, if I presume correctly is that it has a more chances of Naruto using Kurama's chakra to it's full power than Nine-Tail Chakra mode. it is a stage of Transformation, With Nine tail Chakra mode being a unique transformation. Hope this somewhat helped.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 12:14, November 11, 2015 (UTC)

If so, then why didn't Minato look any different when he went into Tailed Beast Mode? I can understand Naruto looking different based on how much of Kurama's power he's using, but in general the two stages seem to be exactly the same, which again leads back to my main concern of the three Gaiden forms and names.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 12:41, November 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Should be worth mentioning the Naming of Nine Tail Chakra mode and Kurama mode is from the Ninja data book, not us.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 12:53, November 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Finally some progress. Because I'm asking did the databook specifically mention a difference between Nine-Tails Chakra Mode and Kurama Mode, because as far as I can gather the databook just referred to it as "Kurama Chakra Mode", at least for Naruto, which is a whole new issue.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 13:28, November 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * Jin no Sho "Kurama Mode" while Retsu no Sho "Kurama Chakra Mode"... I think that they are the same thing. --Sharingan91 (talk) 16:42, November 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * According to Suzaku's translation, Jin no Sho's "Kurama Mode" entry calls it the "complete form of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode" and says that Naruto must enter that mode to use the Tailed Beast Ball and Tailed Beast Mode. For the record, Minato's entry also calls his form "Nine-Tails Chakra Mode". Aside from that, I don't think there's anything in writing that differentiates the modes.--BeyondRed (talk) 18:19, November 11, 2015 (UTC)

2 Modes in Boruto: Naruto the Movie
So I was watching Boruto: Naruto the Movie, and I noticed that Naruto has 2 different modes, one when Momoshiki landed in the stadium, and the other on his planet. So I added that other mode into the page, and named it "Naruto's Six Paths Sage Nine-Tails Chakra Mode", what do you guys think?--Georgio722 (talk) 21:21, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * I Think His Stadium Form Is His New Normal Six Paths Sage Kurama Mode, And The Planet One Was Six Paths Sage Mode, Because If U Notice, They Have Different Appearances. The Original Fits The Description Of Tailed Beast Sage Mode, But Doesn't Have The Pigmentation Around The Eyes, And The Second One Fits The Description Of Six Paths Sage Mode, Just Without The Truth Seeking Balls. Bob1200 (talk) 02:51, January 7, 2016 (UTC)


 * I think that the mode that he used in the stadium was the Six Paths Sage Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. And I think what they were going for is when someone masters the chakra mode they gain the additional markings that were only present in the kurama mode and now the main difference between the 2 modes are that the kurama mode as a black under shirt and the normal mode does not. Light godzilla (talk) 09:21, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

New Names
This may be unnecessary but can we change "Sage Kurama Mode" to "Kurama Sage Mode" and "Sage Tailed Beast Mode" to "Tailed Beast Sage Mode"? It just sounds right, IMO. The strongest entity appears first, while the weakest entity appears last--UltimaDude (talk) 23:03, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't agree with the "strongest entity first", but I do agree that the proposals do roll off the tongue better. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:39, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * Eh, well the last sentence was just a suggestion of how we should name all of his current and likely upcoming modes. But glad you agree with the names --UltimaDude (talk) 01:11, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

sigh
So now we have 4 different cloak designs in Boruto era (Gaiden, 2 different in Boruto movie, new one again in Boruto manga) what's up with that? Just an observation, but his Boruto manga cloak looks almost identical to his Gaiden cloak, so I suppose the artist decided to base it on the Gaiden design while discarding the 2 from Boruto movie.

Since manga > animated material, I think the design/s from Naruto Gaiden and Boruto manga should be considered the true one/s.--Elve Talk Page 07:58, September 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * "manga > animated material" Is there any evidences of that? BRTMovie is also supervised by Kishimoto. They're in the same level of canon tier.--Sulina (Talk) 08:11, September 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * New information > old information. - Seelentau Talk 09:32, September 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * new information does beat old information indeed, but should we really consider the manga that isn't by Kishimoto (but is approved) canon over the movie? To be honest I think no. Look at DragonBall Super. They redid the movie in small changes. That is what Boruto the manga is doing. I think we just need a section to inform on the two canon appearance.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 11:55, September 9, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, we usually note where which appearance comes from. - Seelentau Talk 12:17, September 9, 2016 (UTC)