Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180830203537

Vladosaurus wrote: This is ridiculous. Of course he uses it. This makes no sense. What are talking about? He has the power but he can't use it? BS. This is something only you believe. Even in the games they have Hokage Naruto use bijuu powers.

Just believe what you want, but don't expect people to agree with you, because at least from my point of view you make little sense.

You are suggesting Naruto uses rsm without the juubi’ chakra, six paths senjutsu. This wrong for the simple fact that there isn’t no example of sage mode that does not require senjutsu. That includes rsm. You calling it BS isn’t a rebuttal and doesn’t disprove the thread. This isn’t some belief, this is evident if you’ve comprehended the OP.

The games aren’t canon. We can’t just go reaching any any Naruto material for support. On the same canon timeline I showed you, there are no games there.

Your POV isn’t supported, whereas I’m prepared with evidence for all my statements. Again this isn’t a belief, nor am I guessing. I’m only reciting canon in an understandable manner.

LegionZero wrote: 1 That is not fact. After The Last Naruto never has the toad Sage eye pigmentation.

No pigmentation= no Sage Mode

Toad Sage Mode has mustard yellow eyes with horizontal pupils and orange pigmants around the eyes.

KCM has red vertical pupils

KSM has Orange scross shaped eyes with orange pigmants around the eyes.

SPSM has a light yellow color with cross shaped pupils and no pigments around the eyes.

All of these things were directly shown to the viewer on muliple occasions.

No its not accurate. No pigmentation around the eyes=no Sage Mode

Cross shaped pupils with no pigmentation= SPSM

2 He used SPSM we already established this. However neither the manga nor the databook corroborate that SPSM is the result of all the Bijuu chakra put together. The databook only said that it SPSM is stronger than KCM.

3 These TSB returned to him after he threw it. Using TSB's in a Rasenshuriken doesnt destroy the TSB.

In the manga it was 6 not 7. 7 Bijuudama Rasenshuriken was a mistake on the animators part

In ch 678 p12, the 6 TSB's he threw at the meteorites returned to him from off panel, he didnt generate them he had to wait for them to either come back or had to wait for Sasuke's Susanoo to dissepate before the could return to him. Even the anime shows them returning from offscreen, not being formed anew.

Those are Hagoromo's TSB's he brought them with him from the afterlife or whatever. He is shown with them as a ghost in Naruto/Sasuke's subconscious

The ETSB is Kaguya's ability, not Madara's. Kaguya is they only character shown/stated to create TSB of any kind

4Vestige can also mean a tiny amount.

1 You are holding the same visual standard of frog sage mode to rsm. That’s is a fallacy, they use different powers and have different hallmarks. Naruto face was never mentioned to be significant in any manner, that is only speculation.

I don’t have to speculate about Naruto eyes for frog sage mode. I can point to the exact moment where manga establishes to look at his eye for proof of sagehood. Similarly I can point out to you the exact moment in the manga where madara acknowledges proof of Naruto rikudo sagehood. They were proven in different ways, that is fact. Attempting to prove them in the same way results in Fallacy. Manga nor databook has any mention of Naruto’ eyes being even slightly relevant to rsm. Yet against you better judgement you insist it does. Show me where it is explicitly stated that his eye have any relevance to rsm. The same way I can prove it for his other form. Just a heads up, rikudo senjutus didn’t effect Obito’ nor madara eyes, but good luck.

2 You failed to establish that, you only made claims. Plus you also lost sight of OP with this response. You can find you answers there. The databook said rsm requires a greater chakra than half kurama. What chakra could that be if not juubi’? Why would Naruto have waited to enter rsm if it because he needed to produce juubi chakra?

3 If you count the 3 he used to seal limbo and the 1 he used on the first meteor you’ll see he had 5 left. 9 - 3 - 1= 5 This claim that they returned to him rather form new ones falls short because they have a range. And the distance between team 7 and those meteors would exceed that range.

Hagoromo appearance as a spirit is just that. Obito as a spirit appeared to kakashi and rin as a kid. Obito didn’t die as a kid, he died with half his body being zetsu among other things. His appearance as a spirit is a desired one. More importantly during his internal talk with Naruto, hagromo was not the juubi jinchuriki, instead during that time Obito madara and Naruto(partially) was. Those TSOs are granted by juubi chakra which hagoromo himself acknowledged he got from madara’ severed torso. A new set of TSOs were made. As for kaguya manga establishes that her TSOs is identical to the one on Naruto’ back. It only different because it expands and it significantly larger. That TSOs was produced from madara’ top half and it also used the juubi’ power.

4 There is no evidence to support that definition. But it doesn’t matter which meaning you pick, the common denominator is that they are unusable. Which the boruto era makes very clear.