Talk:Rinnegan

Kekkei Mora
Since Jin no Sho lists Hagoromo as Kekkei Mora user, should this be classified as Kekkei Genkai? Was it anywhere ever stated to be Kekkei Genkai?--Elve Talk Page 14:38, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * What. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:39, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * He's saying that the Rinnegan was never classified as a kekkei genkai and because Hagoromo was listed as a kekkei mora user, then this is also a kekkei mora.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 14:56, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * And it's not a joke? • Seelentau 愛 議 14:57, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * And if you have time to make a joke yourself, you have time to actually answer him yes? Everything I read is second hand, is there a source that actually calls the Rinnegan a kekkei genkai or not?--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 15:00, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. And I really don't know how you can't answer this question yourselves. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:06, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't read Japanese. Hence why I said "Everything I read is second hand", and I've reading off bad translations before.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 15:08, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand, but the databook's been out for a few years now. Don't you think any mistranslations would've been corrected by now? :/ • Seelentau 愛 議 15:11, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

You would think, but as I said, I've been going off wrong translations before.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 15:13, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hagoromo's page has it listed Kekkei Mōra.--Kuroiraikou (talk) 15:16, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * I know, that's because people here still think it's our job to correct the manga. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:20, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * @Kuroiraikou: Assuming the databook is not wrong, kekkei mora functions differently than kekkei genkai but we are not given any reason as to how. One of the few things we do know is that some things that are listed as kekkei genkai for others are listed for kekkei mora for Kaguya and Hagoromo. If memory serves me correctly, Kaguya's Byakugan is listed as a kekkei mora, yet we know it is a kekkei genkai for the Hyuga.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 15:29, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Kaguya's Byakugan was never called KKM. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:30, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression nothing under the impression that in her profile she had the kekkei mora symbol or character, or whatever marking they had, instead of a kekkei genkai mark, like other known users of a kekkei genkai.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 15:34, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's true. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:42, June 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * @TheUltimate3, with same reasoning we must delete Rinne Sharingan from Madara's infobox, then. :| ./ Rage gtx (talk) 16:58, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

@Seelentau: Hence, based on that, everything Kaguya has is (currently) listed as Kekkei Mora, which is why the article reads "We don't actually know what this crap is." @Rage gtx: I'm going to assume you mean remove Rinne Sharingan as a kekkei mora from his infobox. Does the databook give him the kekkei mora classification? If not, then yes it should just be kekkei genkai.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 17:27, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * TU3, by adding the Rinnegan as a KKM for Hagoromo or the Byakugan as a KKM for Kaguya because they lack the KKG classification, we're attempting to correct the official sources. That is something we should never do. It's simply not our job to decide what's correct and what isn't. We're here to document, not to create our own versions of the manga. But apparently, I'm the only one who thinks so. • Seelentau 愛 議 17:35, June 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * @TheUltimate3 yes Madara has only KKG characteristic.
 * And here some of my HO on this case: Hagoromo has KKM because to achive Rinnegan Senju and Uchiha must mix Asura's and Indra's chakra/genes/stuff into themselves - so literally Rinnegan bloodline encompassing of Senju and Uchiha(two different bloodlines). In Madara's and Sasuke case Rinnegan is KKG because their dojutsus that evolved into Rinnegan were KKG(Sharingan) - mutation that not occured naturally. Now about Madara's Rinne Sharingan - he gained that eye after becoming JJ and using partial Biju Transformation(not different from Naruto gaining fox pupils when goes mad or Bi using tentacles) since parent technique that allowed Madara become JJ was KKG(Rikudō Jūbi Kyūin) so partial Biju Transformation that allows to Rinne Sharingan pop out is KKG as well ah and Obito who used Biju Transformation with same eye must be listed as well. Ok that's IMHO wanted to share. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 18:49, June 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * @Seelentau: Except we're not correcting anything this time. The databook did not list kekkei genkai for those two, but they were listed with these things. And because we literally know nothing about what a kekkei mora is, all we can is state what we got; "Databook says these are kekkei mora. We don't have any more info than that". For once, we are just pointing out what the databook is saying and going any further.
 * @Rage gtx: That is fantastic and in no way can be verified. So thanks for that but it doesn't help one way or another.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 21:04, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * The databook doesn't label them as KKM, as I said. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:08, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Sasuke's Rinnegan
Given the information in Gaiden 700+8, can we say that Sasuke *does* have the same Rinnegan as Hagoromo and Madara, but he also has an enhanced state? So for the forms section, how about "The Rinnegan" and "Sasuke's enhanced Rinnegan"? --Jizo 悟 (talk) 04:36, June 19, 2015 (UTC)