Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-35806245-20180607100011/@comment-33286580-20180609191849

It&#039;s Not Johnny wrote: Nashikeine Great analysis, but there are some things I'm questioning.

Why would you include Rinnegan Sasuke and SPSM Naruto? They alone are hundreds of leagues beyond everybody else here... You should probably nerf them so Sasuke only gets EMS and Naruto only gets KCM. And even then, if we're talking ONLY Uzumaki/Uchiha powers, Naruto, Mito, and Kushina should not have the Kyuubi. Nagato should not have the Rinnegan. They would be significantly weaker.

Mito and Kushina, even if we include the Kyuubi, do not have full control over the Tailed Beast.

First of all i excluded all the above mentioned.

the only time i mentioned Naruto is with his healing, which if you recall part 1 at the start of Wave Arc than you will remember that he quickly recovered from the cut he put on himself to take out the poison. kakashi mentioned it was because of Kyubi, but let's be real here that seeing no Kyubi chakra in use it was not Kyubi but Naruto's dormant healing abilities.

the time i mention specifically about Kushina and Mito, i mention nothing about them using the Kyubi. i specifically state about their own skills.

I only use all these powerful characters later in the end in a seperate thought having everyone at their full power. all buffs and all that stayed (no TTJ though)

It&#039;s Not Johnny wrote: ems Sasuke cannot use PS.

yeah. he didnt. but i would say that he would have managed it down the road.

It&#039;s Not Johnny wrote: Obito (even without Hashi DNA) is still stronger than Kakashi. He already showed that his Taijutsu was on par with or greater than Kakashi's (looking at how he was holding back in their battle), and remember that Kakashi was greatly buffed with Kyuubi Chakra and bs war arc stamina buff. His Ninjutsu (katon) was able to block a direct hit from the Gyuki and was on par with Madara's Katon. His Genjutsu doesn't have any feats without Hashi DNA, but he was able to control a Perfect Jinchuriki and Nine Tails at the age of 14 (this is something else, all MS users are capable of controlling the Kyuubi, the only problem being if they have enough stamina to do so). Even if we exclude these feats, he's logically still greater since he's the OG eye user. Also, his base was powerful considering he was able to handle Hashi DNA without it ever going unstable.

all the feats you give about Obito are after he received Hashi body. it gave his an overall buff. strength, chakra, healing, Sharingan and all. His half body is essentially made of Hashirama

the Obito i mentioned is the one before the Hashi body. he always lost to Kakashi in all regards. yes, awakening the Sharingan would take him to a higher level but only on par with Kakashi of sorts.

I donot disagree that that he can make better use of MS Kamui. but he will be limited say six or so times and it even wouldnt be that fast.

It&#039;s Not Johnny wrote: Tbf, Fugaku was Itachi's and Sasuke's dad. I'd only assume the man was powerful. He earned the nickname "Wicked Eyed Fugaku" putting him at possibly S Rank since most S rank Ninjas have nicknames.

that's from the novel. not even anime original. it is far from cannon. even then he is utterly featless in all regards.

Kakashi had a nckname and he was only an elite Jonin.

he is strong, but i would say elite Jonin level or so.

and just because he is the father of Itachi and Sasuke doesnt make him ultra strong.

give me the names of the super shinobi fathers of Jiraiya or Minato.

It&#039;s Not Johnny wrote: Shisui (if Koto is ready) can actualy use Koto twice since he has two eyes.

Ok. two people than. and what is the difference than? this is not a team battle of 4 or so people, but a clan war. and if it required multiple nations to destory the Uzumaki clan than that actually means that it was a really big clan.

It&#039;s Not Johnny wrote: Karin's feats only came when she was emotionally traumatized after sensing Sasuke's Chakra was fading away. I'm not sure if she can use Adamantine Chains normally or heal that great normally. Although, I'll give her the feat with surviving Amaterasu as well as Amatearsu probably being sealed as well.

Sharingan is first activated due to emotional trauma, does not mean awakening the Sharingan is no longer a skill of Uchiha.

Indeed she awakened the power due to emotional trauma. but now it is awakened and she can use it if she wants.

she can certainly heal on that level, as unlike the chains which she used for the first time, she consciously healed herself. she knew she was going to be impaled and took it head on and soon healed herself.

dont just put her skills away just because to everyone it seems like she was enraged or so.

and those are Admainte Sealing Chains, which Kushina also uses and which seem to be a specific skill of Uzumaki which only a few can awaken so there are people that strong of a skill on the side of Uzumaki.