Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-43403813-20190805194702/@comment-43403813-20190806150026

I was not using that genjutsu control over the Kyuubi to diminish his battle against Naruto. Everyone always says something along the lines of "Obito captured 9 tails easily but Pain couldn't capture 8 tails form" etc. even though we can clearly see that the technique that Obito used is not unique to him and is entirely different to how Pain attempted to capture the Kyuubi. Obito could not capture the Kyuubi if he attempted with brute force, like Pain did. That was my point, so I did not agree with the Kyuubi capture being used as a comparison between the two as a test of strength.

I thought you were referring to Nagato beginning to cough up blood, rather than the quote "Pant". And in fairness, it's safe to say that Nagato wouldn't be panting if he began the battle without any drawbacks and Naruto was the first opponent he would engage with. I get that in the war arc, chakra means nothing, but during the Pain arc, it was still a significant factor at least in Pain's case, a single person fueled the six paths of Pain to fight hundreds if not thousands of Shinobi, including all the notable ones, toad summonings etc, and then proceeded to blow up the whole village anyways.

Even after all that, he was still in a good enough position to be able to challenge Naruto to a fight.

I still disagree with Kakashi's ability to warp away Chibaku Tensei, as wouldn't he have at least tried to do so when Madara created the multiple Chibaku Tensei satellites, in order to help Sasuke out? Hence we don't know whether it is even feasible, the properties of the black orb may not even allow it if it is too dense etc. Moreover, Chibaku Tensei isn't the only means to take out Kakashi, Pain basically solo'ed Kakashi with Tendo, and adding Asura path to the mix made it a sure death for him until hidden leaf back up arrived.

If Pain were to erase the threat of Kakashi's Kamui first, then Chibaku Tensei would annihilate everyone else, and this is pretending that Kakashi has the ability to erase the Chibaku Tensei satellite in the first place.