Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-39468671-20200614003405/@comment-6769189-20200616201009

UltimaDude wrote: @LegionZero Welp, I'm done. Not only have you made a straw man out of my argument and being deliberately obtuse, I also just don't want to continue to write walls after walls of text. You were using double standards and fallacies to justify why 2 things that are the same when they are not the same. So it is what it is

A4RONS4JIS4M wrote:

why have Jiton as a power and then manipulate sand not using Jiton? Gaara didnt have Magnet Release until the novel and Magnet Release wasnt a thing until Part 2. Prior to the reveal of Magnet Release, Sand Manipulation was its own power and Kishimoto has kept it that way.

A4RONS4JIS4M wrote:

why call it Jiton when its only purpose is to temporarily restrain or seal someone? That is not its only purpose. Gaara uses a metal sand when he needs a stronger substance

A4RONS4JIS4M wrote:

what I meant by telekinesis is "moving inorganic objects with nothing just your mind". Why do have to act like you don't understand it after someone makes a valid argument? Because i dont understand it. They are not moving it with their mind, they are moving stuff with Magnet Release. The same way

A4RONS4JIS4M wrote:

Also, your examples make no sense, rather every single one of them is irrelevant to the discussion but when someone steps in to validate that too, you pull more of those examples in. What examples? Examples that illustrate different characters using the same elemental release in different ways? Just loke different Magnet users use Magnet release in different ways

A4RONS4JIS4M wrote:

Using 2 natures at the same time and adding achange in nature are 2 different situations. Depends how you look at it. When i say using to releases at once i mean a character is using 2 different nature releases at the same time or almost the same time without making an advanced chakra nature.

A4RONS4JIS4M wrote:

And whenever someone tries to point out a pattern and move the discussion forward with that, you just say that it's either for art or making characters look similar for no reason. Because the patterns are weak at best or nonexistant at worst. You have a habit of ignoring informatkon that contradicts your claims

A4RONS4JIS4M wrote:

Sand and Gold sand work almost exactly the same, there's no reason to believe that it isn't part of shukaku's magnet release. They work similarly but the method used to make them move is different. None of the sand abilities are labeled Magnet release and none of their explainations in the manga or databooks say or even sughest they are. The 4th databook was released after the end of the series so if there was a time to clarify what is or isnt Magnet Release it would be there

A4RONS4JIS4M wrote:

The argument was that Magnet Release in the series isn't always the manipulation of magnetic fields but rather manipulation of some sort of inorganic object. This statement is untrue.

As i have pointed out idk how many times before: Toroi. Toroi can Magnetize people with Magnet release.

4th Kazekage's ability was stated in the to manipulate Magnetic Fields

I dont underatand why you are questioning how Magnet Release works

Orochimaru controls his sword with his mind but doesnt have Magnet release, Gaara and Shukkaku control sand without Magnet Release. Deadara controls his clay without Magnet Release A4RONS4JIS4M wrote:

The moderator guy even said that it's only written that because of Rasa and Gaara's natures on the databook. He didn't even argue about how I'm wrong or how I know nothing about magnetism or how the discussion doesn't make sense. Be like him just an example.....I'm out unless there's someone more fun to talk to comes here. If we can attribute any elements because it wasnt explicilty stated in the series then shoot Magnet Release is a combination of water and fire

A4RONS4JIS4M wrote:

Son Goku has Lava release, kokuo has boil release. If they can have those, and shukaku has jiton and allows his jinchuriki to manipulate sand just like, gold dust users, there's no reason to not think that it could be magnet release. Shukkaku has a seperate ability to control sand, which its jinchuriki use to control sand. This has been the case since Part 1 and hasnt been changed

A4RONS4JIS4M wrote:

I was jokin about the toxicity part and was just trying to put that out there I didn't like how you told me to go learn about magnets while I'm trying to have a clean discussion here. I was t trying to be an asshole but there seem to be some things about magnetism you dont understand. You keep saying "but XX manipulated poles and no one else does that" but since poles are part of the magnetic field then yes other characters are manipulating the poles