Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33390047-20171108150121/@comment-734582-20171111140613

AsianReaper wrote: While I agree that Jiraiya would win, Naruto mastered Sage Mode to a further extent than Jiraiya ever did. Eventually, yes. But Jiraiya had already taken into account SM's strengths and weaknesses and even his own incomplete mastery when he fought Pain. Naruto against pain however, suffered from not holding it long, needing 3 clones to refresh it and couldn't use more than a few jutsu before it ran out. He also couldn't rely on support from Ma and Pa.

It pretty much isn't until the 4th war that he mitigated his weakpoints with it.