Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-27916438-20160628002237/@comment-25122992-20160701132315

QuakingStar wrote: If they were "very close" to their living selves, then why did Madara get sooo much stronger when he came back to life with Rinne Tensei?? Why did Hashirama say "He's got his full power now"? You know why?? Because they are still nowhere near their living selves. Madara got Rinne Tensei'd then he was able to break free from the God Gates tech like it was that Edo Tensei coffin. Don't try to sit there and tell me that "I'll say it again" bullshit. That whole being brought back to virtually full strength thing is retconned. Madara and Hashirama proved it. Itachi was a weak shell of his living self point blank. Madara's case can be threated differently - for example, let's say he and Hashi depleted their chakra reserves and strength battling each other (otherwise, they wouldn't have switched from their battle avatars to the simple hand-to-hand combat) and Madara just got them fully restored with Rinne Tensei. And at various instances characters commented that Edo-shinobi demonstrate almost the same level as alive. Yeah, there are some advanced abilities reanimations cannot use (the prime example being Gedo Mazo summon), yet "the weak shell of the living self" is surely an exaggeration, as if reanimations have no more than 1/2 of their original power, which is clearly not the case (particularly, for the reanimations of Kabuto/Orochimaru). Just admit it.

At least, admit it for Itachi. Edo Tensei body gave him enough advantages (no health issues, no MS issues, no chakra depletion issues) to compete with his living form - while all his skills and techniques weren't shown deteriorated comparing to him alive, he could continuously use the most advanced techniques in his arsenal (especially Susanoo) without any second thoughts.