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@Loneninja

I didn't ignore gyuki, but as far as I can recall there is no proof that Raikage was ever hit by the full force of a bijuu bomb directly. He is too fast for that. The tailed beast ball has a huge area of effect but with his speed he could avoid the immediate blast radius. Taka survived bee's bijuu dama because suigestu deflected the trajectory of the blast and took most of the hit, for example. But maybe I'm not analyzing that right. With guy it's a bit different, he can launch hirudora from point blank taijutsu range, and he has the speed necessary to keep with the raikage. And unlike Kisame, The raikage doesn't have a comparable ninjutsu that can slow down the momentum of hirudora. Hirudora will injure the raikage. But he will get back up and kill gai who also will be injured.

See while it's impressive that the hell stab could penetrate his armor while rasenshuriken couldn't. its also because hell stab concentrates all the energy into his finger. Rasenshuriken also disperses its damage over a wider area. Each flurry of shuriken needles couldn't pierce the armor effectively. Because of that, its misleading to compare rasenshuriken and hell stab.

Ok take a look at chapter 667 pg 13. Guy enters the 7th gate and immediately closes the distance between him and madara. HE then forces madara backwards with his taijutsu assault. Madara being the TTJ is fast enough, but also very experienced in taijutsu himself, so he kept his distance and avoided Guy's blows, but notice how madara couldn't counter-attack. That same madara easily counter attacked minato's blitz on minato's first move, casually cutting his arm off and kicking minato away, as shown on chapter 665 pg 14. So madara couldn't counter attack an assault from 7 gates guy, until the effects of gates wore off. Wih 8 gates, the speed difference was no contest of course, but 7 gates guy held his own better against madara than minato could. I think its fair to say all of these shinobi are above the third raikage in speed.