Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-24886865-20171122234112/@comment-9782468-20171217181900

Nerosmoke wrote:

Kakashi has sensor and sealing ablitys? Kakashi did not fight him head on. instead using other means to take him out. the reasion Kakashi did not take him head on is just that. he could not do it. Zabuza was stronger then he was in hand to hand and was under the cover of the Mist.

Zabuza only lost from mind control. Kakashi was underpowered to beat him.

Omoi destorys a clone with a katana. and the thousands other times they pop in one hit. many of the clones in that fight go in one hit. I don't see how one clone that takes longer to pop then others is the durablity of all of the clones.

And if you think the Naruto clone beating the 3rd Raikage with help and information. then how about Kisame's 30% water clone taking on Might guy team solo and forcing him into the 6th gate after droping a lake onto him.

How is Might Dai weaker then his student. I need to see something that proves that to be the case as there is nothing anywhere that states that.

The 8th gate of Death or the red mist as Madera called it. is a state of great power. Madera did not say anything about the power being based on the user. You really have issues with actually reading the argument thoroughly, don't you.

Kakashi doesn't have sensor abilities, but he can sense enemies. In Kakashi he Gaiden he sensed an enemy like 100 meters away behind a tree, impressing Minato. Also, Zabuza in their second fight had weapons stained in Kakashi's blood. Kakashi has already demonstrated he can smell something like blood and use it for locating purposes. He did this in Kakashi Gaiden. Kakashi didn't fight Zabuza head on because there was no reason to. He had a whole army behind him. Of course he'd make a strategy to more efficiently and quickly take him out. You keep saying Kakashi couldn't do it, when he's already beaten Zabuza twice before when he got serious.

Zabuza lost because Kakashi is a more capable ninja. Kakashi never controlled his mind, only Koto can do that. Kakashi met each of Zabuza'a jutsu head on, so he had just as much power. In fact, Kakashi was clashing with Zabuza's huge blade with just a kunai. Kakashi was not being overpowered.

Omoi beat Naruto's clone so long ago. We use the most recent feats the characters show. In this thread, Naruto is Hokage. So all his feats up until present are considered. And Naruto demonstrated that his clones could endure hits as strong as Chidori now. You're bringing up an old feat, and it's irrelevant now. That's like me saying, "Naruto can't win because he could barely make 2 Rasenshuriken." When we know he can make basically as many as he wants now. Naruto's clones are more durable than you accept.

I used Naruto vs Third Raikage as an example. Why? Naruto split off like 12 clones. Each clone had 1/13 chakra, or 7.69% chakra. How does Kisame's 30% fare now? Seriously, I counted the panel where he split them off. You can go check if you like.

You see nothing that stated Might Dai was weaker? I literally just told you. There's also the fact that he never rose past Genin, and was failing like every mission set for him. Also, the the Seven Swordsmen are nowhere near TTJ Madara, who Gai was able to fight in his 8 Gates.

Really. You think Madara is gonna stop mid battle to state every facet of the technique for the guy who's currently using it. Cmon now.