User talk:Elveonora

Re: Mandara vs Hiroshima art/animation
Just like The Allied Shinobi Forces Jutsu's episode or even better. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 16:40, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Not good?! Compared to Madara vs. Shinobi Alliance episode, it's not that good.. But I bet that it would be amazing because this episode is an in-house produced unlike today's episode while it's outsourced episode. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 17:08, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

yes we know since it uses byakugan it must be the kekekenkai of byakugan. It might be a technique of gentle fist.

Re: Hamura
Good Morning. Please review the most recent version of Hamura's article.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 16:27, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Hamura symbol
But Sasuke's symbol is on his left hand, while Naruto's in on his right, check in the previous chapter when Sasuke mentions his Yin Release and Naruto's Yang Release. You can also see the a part of Naruto's chakra shroud covering his hand, and both Sasuke's wrist cloth and a bit of his belt sash in the panel. I think that since Hagoromo himself was able to grant them the two powers, he'd have to have both as well, so it wouldn't make sense for Hamura to have only one. They both would have Yin and Yang. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:33, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Merging Discussion
Hey Elveo, did you ever get a chance to check out the recent discussion over in Will Materialisation's talkpage? It's a discussion on whether or not to merge it with Banbutsu Sōzō. I'd like your opinion on the matter, seeing as that I believe you supported the merger in the past. Anyway, I know that you'd understand when I say that talk pages topics tend to go cold really quickly, without a resolution. -- Koto Talk Page-My Contributions 15:47, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Re:Raws
I have no idea. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:41, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Re: age
I am 21, approaching 22 this December :3 ~ Ten Tailed Fox 15:22, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * In America? Whew, that's a seminar my friend. The American Educational System is nothing to boast about hahaha What is it you had a question about? ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg 15:27, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, it varies slightly from state to state, but generally 1st-6th grades are considered Elementary School, 7th-8th are considered Middle School (though in some states, like Oklahoma, middle school starts in 6th grade; all depends on the state), 9th-12th is high school, and then college is optional. A lot of American colleges offer dual enrollment for high school students who want to gain college credits, which was actually something I did in my senior year of high school. Of course, like where you are, the length of college depends on the person and the degree in question. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg 17:18, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

In addition, in many states you can skip grade levels, like I am in middle school and I am literally taking a math course that is two grades above my current grade level.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 15:43, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization

Enton
So what did the new chapter do to our long forgotten discussion about Enton, Enton: Kagutsuchi and Amatersu? • Seelentau 愛 議 10:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * I already gave it on the talk page: No, not gonna happen at least until I got the raws and checked wtf they actually say. • Seelentau 愛 議 10:49, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think I said something like Amaterasu is Enton and Enton: Kagutsuchi is not only the shape transformation, but also the release of the flames. The latest chapter proves that Sasuke indeed uses Kagutsuchi to shape the flames he created with Amaterasu, meaning Enton: Kagutsuchi is like Amaterasu and shape control in one. • Seelentau 愛 議 11:33, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Still on the road, it's up to you this time. Also, I want them to bow before me, because I was right and no one believed me, once again. :D • Seelentau 愛 議 11:47, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Re: latest chapter opinion
Wasted pages. If Part I look back is what they wanted, they could have tried an updated version of their shuriken feint against Zabuza. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:25, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

It was a pretty decent chapter, I hope I see Sasuke fight Black Zetsu or Kaguya and FINALLY use the power of the Six Paths and hopefully Shinra Tensei.KiritoLevel96Alicization(talk) 20:03, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization

Re: your feedback
I'm not participating in any of those discussions as I don't read the manga and don't really care to involve myself in those discussions: the only time I'd step in is to tell people not to be so heated or name calling, other than that I just stick around the forums to keep them readable. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 17:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Re: what do you think?
You've always been blunt with me, so I'll be blunt with you. If you ever want to know whether it is yourself that is the problem, or rather others that are the problem, ask yourself this: "Who/what is the common denominator?" Nine times out of ten, the common denominator is the problem. Its up to you to ask yourself who or what that is. I can't answer that for you, but that is a question I ask myself whenever something doesn't seem right about a situation. But that isn't the root of your message.

The root of your message lies with these two phrases: "What if I'm in fact clever and stupid people are just... well, too stupid to comprehend and appreciate my intellect and they simply hate that which they don't understand?" and "I may never know, but I like to convince myself of my superiority." Let's work with these two for a moment and see if we can't come to some sort of revelation here.


 * 1) While it is true that most people (humans in general) hate that which they can't comprehend, this isn't your problem, based on my interactions with you. I understand you. When you lay out a point or a suggestion, I understand what you're conveying or attempting to convey, but that doesn't automatically equal agreement. Your true problem lies in the second point.
 * 2) Word of advice, people (again, in general) don't respond well to those always attempting to assert their superiority. In this modern day of free speech and "tolerance", everyone wants to at least believe in some form of equality, so when you have someone who constantly tries to make themselves seem more superior than the average Joe, it is met with resistance.

Look, I have a feeling this all stems from the recent, rather volatile arguments taking place on the talk pages, so again, I'll be frank with you. The "rejection" you speak of does not come from a possession, or lack thereof, of intelligence. It comes from the way you approach topics. First of all, we all have theories about how this series works. I have only shared with you my theories on anything in this series a handful of times and only because you ask. There is a reason for that. Among a community of fans, pissing matches often kick off because one person believes their theory to be "more accurate" than that of others and arguments start. That is why I always hound you to give me page/chapter/episode references. Many times, unbeknownst to you, I will actually agree with your theory, but completely reject what you're saying because it has no evidence-based foundation, or has a very loose foundation at best.

Take for example Kaguya's forehead eye.


 * You do realize that our current assumption (which I believe to be wrong), that she has only a Rinnegan comes from the speculation that her eye has always been in a Rinnegan form, and never progressed from a Sharingan, along with a vague statement from Sasuke that actually refers to Madara and his IT? That is the foundation for the "facts" you presented me during that argument.


 * Meanwhile, Hagoromo, the woman's son, says he forehead eye directly bears the Sharingan's power. Well of course it does. We just saw, last chapter, Sasuke using Amaterasu from a Rinnegan; or Madara using Susanoo from a Rinnegan. All Rinnegan have the Sharingan's power because all of the Rinnegan (save Hagoromo's) that have been shown began as Sharingan. This is further backed up by Kabuto's statements about the Rinnegan being part of the Sharingan's "natural evolution". And yes, the translation Seel provided that the Rinnegan is "what lies beyond the Sharingan" supports the evolution translation because they mean the same thing.

Looking at that, which argument has more basis? It is clear which one has more evidence and yet look which version was ramrodded down our throat? By yourself and Seel no less.

Can you understand why myself, and a select few others, might be slightly adverse to that? I realize this message is huge, but I'm going to continue. Bear with me. Communication is key to having your side of things accepted or rejected. Telling people that their suggestions are nothing but lucrative fanon, which you do, calling them mentally ill, which you have, or resulting to religious attacks (how you refer to their faith in a topic being akin to some "insane" religious people), which by the way, is a category that includes me, automatically shuts them down. They go flat into rejection mode and you've lost all hopes of conveying your thoughts.

Consider taking a softer approach and being more willing to leave your theories at the door and consider actual facts. I've seen you say that yourself at one point, but I've hardly seen any actual effort on your part to do that. Its something I'm working on as well. Softer approaches are the only way we calm this wiki down. It is, after all, a fictional series we're recording here. We don't need to treat every topic as if the end of existence is upon us. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 18:06, June 26, 2014 (UTC) Foxie, I agree with you. Elve, attempt to take a softer approach to things. You are an intelligent individual.21:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization

Re: 681 scans
Yeah, it's out. Some websites have released the latest issue of Shōnen Jump (2014-#30) today and you could get the full chapter from that. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 15:31, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, Elve-kun :) — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 20:57, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Senpai answered your question on my talkpage. Check it out ^_^ — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 13:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Re: almost forgot about this
Unfortunately Elev-kun no I haven't and yeah me as well. I've tried many times to have the "Shiro" version of Chikara arc DVD box-set which contains this episode but I couldn't get an one. I think we'll see that in the English dubbed episode in the future since they uses the uncut version of Naruto episodes. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 22:45, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re: confirmed
Tobirama made me do a face-wall while reading the chapter. Revive Madara again? Oh sure, because that worked out SO well the first time xD hahaha ~ Ten Tailed Fox 00:30, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm actually a big fan of Tobirama. He and Danzo are a lot alike, but I feel that Tobirama actually got the job done. I mean, had Madara not been, well, himself, Tobirama would've succeeded in ridding the scourge of the Uchiha clan forever. Itachi and perhaps Shisui were the only saving grace of that clan anyways. I don't know why Danzo always rubs me wrong, but Tobirama is okay in my books. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg 18:56, July 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Very true. True enough. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg 20:45, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Probability
None of those Kanji necessarily have to mean Lava. 熔, the Kanji used in Roshi's, Kurotsuchi's, Dodai's and Naruto's case, means to melt, so it would be Melt/Melting(?) Release. However, this Kanji is archaic and not used anymore. Instead, they use 溶, which translates to to dissolve, making Mei's KG a Dissolution Release. The difference between both Kanji is almost none, so that's why we decided not to have two KG. If we'd go by "different name = different technique", we'd probably have two jutsu. Now, the lava part comes from 溶岩 (熔岩), which is the Japanese word for lava but literally simply means Molten Rock. • Seelentau 愛 議 12:31, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Gobi doesn't have Boil Release. • Seelentau 愛 議 12:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ya, I sure. There's a different between steam and smoke, even though both is created with heat. Smoke doesn't have a pH level, for example (or none that I know of). • Seelentau 愛 議 13:03, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Well if Kaguya started all those clans she must be part of them.

(referring to kaguya's infobox)

--Jashin Uchiha (talk) 13:12, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Tobirama's raw strength.
Characters like Jirobo and Tsunade have monstrous strength even without chakra enhancement. Being related to Tsunade, it is not a stretch for Tobirama to have great raw strength. Steveo920, 15:58, July 10, 2014

I watched the episode again, and there was no sign of using chakra. Tobirama already made it clear that when forcibly using his chakra in its raw form, it becomes visible. Clearly, he pushed on it. Also, Kakashi did announce using the first gate. He shouted "open". Steveo920, 16:11, July 10, 2014

I never said it was his signature trait by far. A wall cracking has no definite nature on how the cracks will form. You said it yourself. If he was going to test the full force of his chakra, it would have been seen. The Impure World Technique deludes the summoned target's physical might, not their chakra potency. Look at Zabuza. Steveo920, 16:44, July 10, 2014

RP: Rude
I went to Omnibender since he's a moderator here. You're too confrontational and you are trying to force your own opinion on other people. You call people you don't agree with idiots. In a sense, I went to a mod since this is a problem YOU have. I backed up what I put with an episode reference which is also in the manga. You extrapolate or outright make up that Madara fought the entire Senju Clan there when Hashirama would have never allowed that.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:29, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * Tobirama and the other Senju never fought Madara. Hashirama wouldn't have allowed it doe to Madara's strength: Hashirama was the only one powerful enough to battle him. The manga and anime presented it solely as a Madara vs Hashirama duel, not Madara vs Entire Senju Clan.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:36, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * They were most likely fighting the rest of the Uchiha Clan there. No Senju, not even Tobirama could have faced Madara at that point. It was presented solely as a Hashirama vs Madara duel. Hashirama and Madara battled it out for 24 hours and Hashirama won.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:48, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Susanoo-Equipped Kurama
By the way, what is your opinion on this? I tried to contact @Ten Tailed Fox on it but he never responded. On that link he stated that the Susanoo-Equipped Kurama should be documented in some form. It wasn't published because of here, when Foxie had a seemingly had a different opinion that contradicts what he said in the first link. WindStar7125  (Talk) (Contributions) 22:22, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Re: TSB natures
No idea... like, at all. This whole Yinyang bullshit has become too much for me to handle. The only thing I know is that TSB and TBB are roughly the same, because they're both made of black & white/yin & yang/positive & negative chakra. Dunno how the four natures of Obito's TSB come into that equation, though... • Seelentau 愛 議 13:11, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it's not like that. I think it's more "YYR can take on all chakra natures' quantities"... or so... • Seelentau 愛 議 13:30, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Reincarnation
I saw that people were fine with adding an article, but there was clear opposition to not putting it in the infobox. Until a consensus is reached on that matter, it won't be added. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 18:18, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Something unusual
Forums and talkpages are also included in the edit count. You can see the actual bifurcation of your edits here (It includes deleted edits too; so may be higher)--~Ultimate Supreme  13:24, July 15, 2014 (UTC)


 * There might be some staff-only tool. Ask them--~Ultimate Supreme  13:39, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: wat
If you check those snapshots from Saiyanisland, you could notice that they're identical to those in the manga when Minato revealed about his usage of this jutsu. I don't know exactly how but seems it'll be an ordinary Hiraishin just like when Minato used it against A-B duo. Let's see then. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 21:43, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Kaguya riku senjutsu
Yes, but floating was accredited to the Rikudō Chakra, not to the Rikudō Senjutsu. We don't know if there's a difference or not, sooo... it's better to wait. It's always better to wait at this point. We can almost never say something for sure right now. We're still missing some pieces. • Seelentau 愛 議 09:53, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Was it stated that they got his chakra? • Seelentau 愛 議 10:22, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Power doesn't necessarily mean chakra. As far as I know, it wasn't stated that they got the chakra. They got the Six Paths Yin/Yang Power and the Six Path Senjutsu, but it doesn't say chakra anywhere, right? • Seelentau 愛 議 10:42, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Not the tattoo, but the Yin power. • Seelentau 愛 議 11:39, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * That goes for the purple Rinnegan. Sasuke's is obviously different. • Seelentau 愛 議 11:50, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Was that stated? There's so much half-baked information, I don't know what was stated and what was not. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:12, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Revolt of the demon world
I have no idea how the mistake is called, but you made it and it's quite common: All X are Y doesn't mean that all Y are X. If all Genjutsu are Yin Release (which is most likely the case), it doesn't mean that all Yin Release techniques are Genjutsu (see Madara's Yin Release technique, for example). So yes, Yin Release can be both. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:36, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Gonna be real serious here Elveonora.
I am ignorant of nothing and don't you ever accuse me of such again. You will show the same gritting respect I show you ever time you bring this back up. We all have read the series and know what is happening. What we will not do is make something that is already complex and turn it asinine just to appease your misguided attempts to show the information correct.
 * I know goddamn well the crap that is Kaguya. However, we are not and will not stuff multiple articles into one super article, that does not make things easier for our readers, that just makes it convenient for us, the editors. What we have now isn't wrong. It is presented in a way that makes it convenient to our readers. It would be right and convenient for us, but we are an encyclopedia for the damned planet and it should be convenient for them.
 * The reason why I refused to entertain your argument is because it the same blasted argument you feel the need to make every time a new chapter is released. Someone so much as mentions something tailed beast related and you are jumping down everyone's throat with the same argument over and over and over again providing nothing new to the conversation.
 * You will stop accusing everybody who does not agree with you with bias when you your self are just as bias. If you think someone is biased, be a man, choke it down like the rest of us and don't derail the argument by throwing accusations around like it's going out of style. All that succeeded in doing is turn you into a raging madman who's arguments aren't wroth even a listen.

Questions?--TheUltimate3 (talk) 15:08, July 24, 2014 (UTC)
 * After looking in her talk page, the discussion (obviously) went off the rails. I could go either way on her being a jinchuriki but as technically she would be the jinchuiki of the Ten-Tails and the other tailed beast, because they kinda stop being separate when they are Ten-Tails and it is really bloody confusing.
 * If she is to be a jinchuriki it would be of the Ten-Tails (so yes, herself) but not the tailed beasts as by proxy every jinchuriki of the Ten-Tails would also then be the jinchuriki of everything else.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 15:24, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Explosion Release
Nope. It's Doton and ? • Seelentau 愛 議 18:38, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Kaguya
To you maybe. To me more than enough.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 15:10, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't care about Kaguya's chakra. Koto Senju will come if he so desires. If he doesn't then your edit will go through. --TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 15:15, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Re: kaguya chakra question
She originally wanted only Hagoromo's and Hamura's chakra back. But then she saw that Hagoromo spread his chakra and mankind used it to create own chakra, and because of that she considers all chakra hers. • Seelentau 愛 議 18:23, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * No, that's their own chakra. If Kaguya would absorb all the Chakra in existence, she'd have more than when she first roamed the world. • Seelentau 愛 議 18:49, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Technically, it's not hers. I mean, why would it be? They used Hagoromo's chakra, not Kaguya's. But she thinks it's hers because Hagoromo's was hers before. Or so. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:28, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * You don't understand it yet, do you? The humans did not use Hagoromo's chakra as ninjutsu. They used his to create new chakra. And that chakra isn't Hagoromo's or Kaguya's, but Kaguya sees it as hers since they could only create it using Hagoromo's chakra, which he in turn was born with (it wasn't said he used the TT's chakra). • Seelentau 愛 議 19:52, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Re: chapter 674
eh, what text exactly? • Seelentau 愛 議 09:17, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * It says the technique's name, doesn't it? I only have a weird version of the raw available right now, I'll check a better version when I'm back home. • Seelentau 愛 議 10:42, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, found it. It says 昏き雷が２人を襲う！！ Kuraki ikazuchi ga futari o osou!!, which means Dark thunder attacks the two!!. However, this is not black. 昏 comes from 氏 low and 日 sun, it basically means dusk. Can also be translated as gloomy. • Seelentau 愛 議 11:25, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * But Madaras' Yin Raiton was white... also, it most likely refers to the bad intent behind his attack, not to the colour of it. • Seelentau 愛 議 11:59, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto's Stockholm Syndrome
As much as this may be true, I think it's too harshly written for the article. It clearly shows your discontent with Naruto's personality which shouldn't be here. I don't want to entirely undo the edit, as I think it contains true facts. Nevertheless, as it is now, it will probably start another edit wars, so maybe we should find a solution of writing it in a more neutral term, starting with leaving out terms like "evil" or "bizarre" which reflect your own opinion about it. Norleon (talk) 11:56, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Eyes
None of which is conveyed in a black and white image. ~SnapperTo 19:07, July 31, 2014 (UTC)