Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26107879-20181004003653/@comment-6769189-20181011120813

LoneNinja wrote:

But now you guy's switched up. Your holding onto Minato's statement now as evidence. Because you denied the initial evidence so we use more evidence. I for one am not regarding the former claims as debunked. Just using a different piece of evidence since you refuse the last one LoneNinja wrote:

I know very well about Chapter 240. The wiki even makes note of that very chapter as evidence that people can react to Chidori with ease.

"Because they charge in a straight line it is easy for opponents to attack them, and because of the tunnel vision it is difficult for the user to see these attacks, much less react to them. For this reason, most ninja cannot use the Chidori safely"[Chapter 240, Chidori]. Lets look at the paragraph as a whole. LoneNinja wrote:
 * The speed at which the Chidori is performed, despite being one of its greatest assets, also represents one of its biggest drawbacks: users move at their target so fast that its causes a tunnel vision-like effect for them. Because they charge in a straight line it is easy for opponents to attack them, and because of the tunnel vision it is difficult for the user to see these attacks, much less react to them. For this reason, most ninja cannot use the Chidori safely.

You guys interpret Minato's words as a speed boost even though the word boost is never used. The wiki interprets it as this attack is easy to react to. And it is. Minato describes the speed from the thrust of the justu being the problem. LoneNinja wrote:

EVERYONE literally has reacted to the Chidori except fodder. People have literally controlled the outcome against Chidori. Rin who was next to Kakashi, was able to easily just stroll in the way and get cut down, guess she's faster than Chidori Kakashi. Please show me the part where it was shown/stated that Kakashi was moving or that attack was intended for anyone else. He wasnt even shocked that she was stabbed. Just because she walked into it doesn’t mean Kakashi didn’t set up for her to do it. LoneNinja wrote:

Haku was able to easily sense and jump in the way with ease. Mere Genin see it as it occurs. Mere Genin? What are you on? Haku was Jonin level+. Zabuza admitted that Haku was stronger than him. Haku was also faster than most people could see, even with the Sharingan. LoneNinja wrote:

A mere fodder like Mahiru could react to it. Mahiru is definitely a fodder, since fodder are useless, no named, or characters just shown to die. Jonin level opponent. LoneNinja wrote:

According to your guy's logic, Jonin Kakashi with Chidori should be faster than Genin Lee without weights. If that is the case, why is tunnel vision a problem? If you got that speed, 90% of the Shinobi population shouldn't be able to react to it. Period. Yet, Kakashi is scared to use it? People all say it's easy to be countered? No logic. If Kakashi's max speed was equal to weightless Lee, then Chidori would still have a tunnel vision(without Sharingan) problem because the speed of Chidori would be added on top of that.

LoneNinja wrote:

Chidori is the only one? Doubtful. If Chidori had such an ability, i doubt anyone wouldn't make that clear seeing as it's one of the most important techniques in the series. All chidori is, is a stab. Nothing more, nothing less. Gai made that clear. It wouldn't be a simple stab if it boosts one's speed. He would of said "It's a technique that boosts one's speed greatly and the user then stabs the person." No. He said Chidori is a "simple stab" that heightens the flesh of the arm and with the user's speed it makes the "chi chi chi". Gai used a gross over-simplification of what Chidori does, which he elaborates on shortly after on how its speed pushes the bodies limits. LoneNinja wrote:

Actually let me be exact with what he said. He said Chidori is a "Simple stab" and "the great amount of Chakra that creates the heightened flesh because the Chakra is concentrated in the hand". So it's obvious what Chidori does. It just heightens the arm. Nothing more, nothing less. What bunk translation are you reading?? heightens the flesh? this phrase makes no sense. Do you just read 1 translation? because I check multiple and there is only one that says that.

Every time Chidori is talked about, speed is referenced as part of the jutsu itself.
 * Ch. 114 p 3: Gai says it is known for its stabbing speed that pushes the limits of the human body
 * CH 240 p2: Kakashi say It’s the same as your nickname
 * Ch 240: Minato says: A thrust[] all concentrated on one point, of course you have destructive power and speed, but because the speed of your movements are so fast, you cant see your opponants counter. Because of that, it is an incomplete jutsu.