Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30830650-20170125144949/@comment-27924662-20170501110614

XShadyShadow wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 "A Rinnegan holder can open dimensions." See the difference? Sasuke can make a portal to GET to Kaguyas dimension, Kaguya literally changes the entirety of the landscape to HER dimension in which she controls. Sasuke can only enter or leave said dimension, he doesn't have one of his own. Not only that but it's incredibly taxing for Sasuke to even do that, he only has two tries at best. No idea why you are talking about chakra reserves. But whatever floats your boat bro. The dimensions were said to have been created by Kaguya herself, the ability to create them has nothing to do with actually interchanging with them which is the actual ability of the Rinne-sharingan. Rinnegan can do that too is the thing I am pointing out and if sasuke had the ability during Kaguya's fight he could have escaped any of her dimension. And What about Limbo,Ameno, Momoshiki's Rinnegan? aren't they OP compared to Rinne-Sharingan? EDIT: Sasuke survived because of HAWK not PS. So you are wrong abt MS thing. XShadyShadow wrote: And actually yes the Rinne Sharingan can save you from a path, it's called changing the dimension to either where you and your jutsu fall in lava or get pinned in her desert realm where she can one-shot you and it with ease. It's whichever way you wanna die. The only reason Sasuke lived was because he had PS that could fly, that's a MS ability not a Rinnegan one. I believe I addressed this one in my previous reply. Sasuke too can escape the dimension by opening portals. And Two I don't think Rinne Sharingan would save you from Deva Path. Kaguya would be forced to use brute force to escape sasuke. Rinne-Sharingan won't allow her to escape from it. XShadyShadow wrote: And yes, I'm gonna continue to use Sasuke and Kaguya because it's the only interaction we've seen of Rinne Sharingan and Rinnegan against one another. Don't you get it? She doesn't need to grab Sasuke, or anyone for that sake to teleport them. She can change the landscape to her dimension. And like I said before, the Rinne Sharingan has planetary level feats. The Rinnegan does not, by scaling that makes it stronger. Having resistance against it doesn't exactly make you better, the Rinne Sharingan has better potency. Experience can't negate that big of a power gap so saying Sasuke was new with his Rinnegan is irrelevant. Come on bro seriously? Rinne-Sharingan feats could be easily replicated by someone with Rinnegan and High amount of Chakra. That's what I have been trying to establish here all this time. And by taking team-7 Vs Kaguya fight you are already weakening your case since sasuke didn't had experience or the chakra to do the feats. XShadyShadow wrote: 1) You are overrating Shadow clones, you previously said they could use devastating ninjutsu but now you're talking about a shadow clones durability?? Stay on topic, they only gain a portion of the original users power. Them being durable isn't the same as them doing "devastating ninjutsu." You're overrating shadow clones, severely underestimating the Rinne Sharingan by not acknowledging it's superiority over other dojutsu, and downplaying Madara's Limbo. Sasuke himself said that his and Naruto's physical attacks don't work on Limbo. Well in your previous reply you wrote something on the lines that "shadow clones dissipate on being hit with sufficient force", And my counter was it's not true after Naruto actually got SPSM. His clones in VOTE-2 survived Indra' arrow, A durability feat. In comparing the limbo and shadow clones I said Shadow clones are superior because they can use ninjutsu too. Sasuke only mentioned that only six-paths attack effect the limbo not physical. The sword isn't six-paths. And yes I am staying on topic. XShadyShadow wrote: 2) First and foremost, Naruto had only sealed one not a few but it wasn't Naruto's doing. Naruto and Sasuke both incapacitated it because they blitz(Sasuke's Ameno.) Madara with a sealing jutsu but Madara swapped himself out for his Limbo. Naruto+Sasuke >> Naruto clones. No Naruto cannot beat Madara in terms of taijutsu. Madara did get a second chance to use Limbo, Sasuke said they were surrounding him and Naruto before the whole BZ thing happened. Also, Madara >> Naruto taijutsu in base. Right? Madara being a TTJ+Sage mode is better than Naruto's six paths sage mode. Madara blocked SSP Naruto's attack while being severely beaten and wounded by Eight gates gai. You have to agree or else you retract your argument about Hagoromo being better than Madara because of his base. And why should I retract my argument? Naruto easily kept up with Madara after power-up. Let's keep this madara vs Naruto and sasuke aside since it will unnecessarily prolong the debate. Since we are talking about limbo I should point out that shadow clones most probably suffered their fate because of IT and not defeat. Since their is no panel depicting that I cannot say for sure which was stronger. XShadyShadow wrote: 3) See you need to pay attention, notice how I said "Dual Rinnegan Madara." Not one Rinnegan Madara so that's fairly irrelevant. And your statement makes no sense, Madara casted CT and sent Limbo's at them at the same time. So how would Madara think Limbo wouldn't be a good enough distraction if he literally used them both in conjuction? If Madara's Limbo weren't a threat then Sasuke wouldn't have warned Naruto about them being outside, if they weren't a threat then Naruto would've used his shadow clones against them again in the end (He didn't and wouldn't because Naruto realized that would be a waste of chakra.) If they weren't a threat Naruto's clones would've beat them and Madara wouldn't have used them if ineffective. Sasuke has also once again said that Naruto and his own physical attacks don't work on Limbo. I can keep telling you ways how you're wrong. Exactly, it took both Naruto and Sasuke to destroy something Madara casually created and thought of as raindrops, keep proving my point. Oh so does that increase madara's strength?(other than limbo but since we are already debating that), If Naruto and sasuke were kicking his butt with single rinnegan it's more than obvious they could do it with madara having both, And Madara wasn't better than Naruto in taijutsu after power-up. '''When did Madara said that? Because I didn't find the panel. was it after IT?''' XShadyShadow wrote: 4) You are misinformed and I've used everything canon to inform you. What're you talking about? What non-canon have I used while debating you? Don't worry, I'll wait. Well let see for starters.. Hagoromo having MS? And you calling it a power-up. XShadyShadow wrote: No one agreed with you regarding Madara not having PS, Bakumatsu joined in and thought it was retarded that some people actually believed EMS Madara didn't have PS. You just keep making up stuff or what you're saying is flat out wrong. Killer723 disagreed with you too. You know what annoys me? Having to constantly rehash many things to you that the manga has made clear. How about you go to appropriate thread and check out yourself? I did give you thread link last time plus it's not worth discussing here. XShadyShadow wrote: 5)It doesn't matter. Why? Because he was using his two Rinnegan and MS. He got a power up beforehand, that was the powerup. If he fought Kaguya with his brother with a bare Sharingan or without MS or Rinnegan then I'd give that to you because that means they won without haxed eyes therefore pointing to his base attributes/taijutsu but that's not the case. Hagoromo fighting Kaguya with his brother when he has two Rinnegan and a MS says nothing about about his taijutsu. Him being an Ootsuki gives him strong chakra, yet says nothing about his taijutsu once again. It's not that I'm forgetting anything, it's the simple fact that you are by not acknowledging Hagoromo got an eye power up before fighting her. And all this is based on a filler? Great. And Seriously He fought Kaguya whose taijutsu demolished PS and you still believe that Madara is stronger in Taijutsu and other ninja ability?