Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36394790-20180824122210/@comment-26636534-20180904135749

@BlazeRelease

I still don't see the comparison. Again, shape and nature manipulation is an elite jonin skill. Sword skill?, but you cite MS Sasuke? All we saw was fodder against hebi Sasuke's sword skill. Suigetsu used his own chakra in the manga to summon Manda, again not impressive.

Secondly, I have seen this type of argument before, it's called the standing still argument. It's quite absurd to think that while Sasuke is setting up Kirin, a kage, (Ay, Gaara, Mei etc) is just gonna stand idle, not use jutsu, change position, get confused. It's like Kirin(and other jutsu) is suddenly guaranteed to always hit.

This is very bad logic. On intelligence, usually when users try to compare intelligence between characters, citing "This character is smarter than the other so they would never do that" is kinda the point when you know their argument falls apart. Kage in particular have to be intelligent, experienced and proficient in shinobi combat.

Also, please stop saying Hebi Sasuke can fight kage. MS Sasuke would have lost to each of the kage at the five summit if it was not for third party intervention.

Finally, let's not continue this here. If you want to have a real discussion, make a new thread and I'll join the debate there.