Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-28203534-20160509153448/@comment-25122992-20160509154228

Hashi still stomps. He's one of the most powerful Kage even without SM, he doesn't need SM to large-scaled techniques and dominate the battlefield. Jiraya is surely a powerful shinobi as well, but not enough to match Hashi's strength. I'd say the latter wins with mid-difficulty.