Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180727165341/@comment-6769189-20180730014836

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Um no he didnt catch him by the wrist, Minato just went straight through an intangible obito who later became tangible when Minato was in the chain's range....hence he got caught there. Obito would have to properly time grabbing Minato's wrist, which he wouldnt be able to do if he wasnt at or near Minato's speed.

As for catching him with the chain, A at full speed could cover a few inches before Minato set up his counter but Obito pulled a full 180 amd entangled Minato in his chains

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

I see Obito falling towards Naruto, so in other words gravity is doing the job as for dodging the chakra arm that's sharingan precog. Naruto is faster than the fall of gravity. Sharingan cant predict the movement of chakra cloaks.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

How is that a....speed...feat.............? thats more like quick thinking, the blade got stuck between two rocks and he basically pulled himself using the fan's chain ,evading the attack. Quick thinking is useless without quick movement.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Yep and it was made clear that it was kamui he used..gyuki said he vanished, and the next page shows obito appearing from underground...not a speed feat. Obito cant use his phasing ability and his warping ability at the same time. Obito also wasnt shown warping away. He did 1 of 2 things:he warped into Kamui Dimenesion, warped back and navigated underground to Naruto or he phased through the attack and made his way to and under the ground.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

I see two ninjas jumping from rock to rock, and naruto was just falling back, trying to not get Kamui-ed. Follow the motion lines, they maintain an equal distance all the way through the debris.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

anyways the rest just doesn't fit the bill either..i respect your effort tho '-'7 but what im looking for is: They do fit the bill. Saying they dont doesnt make it so. If he wasnt KCM/Minato speeds, he would never land a hit on KCM Naruto or evade his attacks. Or react to some of his sneak attacks. Minato said in his battle with Obito that a split second difference would determine the victor of his battle with Obito.
 * Something similiar to what madara did when he came back alive..he blitz infront of sage naruto and landed a kick on him
 * Or something what Itachi did, after he swung the kunai at kurenai and managed to land a kick on her he instantly created a clone who appeared where kurenai landed, later on it was seen that itachi himself was around the clones area....(sounds complicated)
 * Or something what sage naruto did against shurado, he instantly appeared and slammed a rasengan on his back.
 * Or something what sage Jiraiya did, blitz pass all the paths of pein and attempted to land a punch on tendo...every path was shocked.
 * Or something what Tendo did, he matched 6 Tailed Naruto's speed.
 * Or Orochimaru..in the mitsuki's story episode in boruto.

What you are describing is when a character is significantly faster and speed blitzes. Obito is about the same as Minato and KCM Naruto, which is why there were back and forths and counter attacks coming from Obito that landed.