Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-1018594-20150217173857/@comment-7292165-20150219233008

@GreatestSin So your telling me out of all the jutsus he's experimented on, most of them need hand signs? Just because Jiraiya almost died by Naruto in 4-tails mode doesn't mean he didn't hold his own. In fact we'll never know until they show what happened. As for Orochimaru, I would say he held his won but he didn't basically didn't do anything lets be honest. Again, he's strong but mostly due to his immortality, other than that as far as I'm concern he's not that great. This is my opinion.