Talk:Chidori

Hand Signs
If you're going to insist on listing the technique's hand signs, I suggest you get them right. I'm completely certain that the hand signs for the chidori are the same as the raikiri, as shown in all instances in the anime and manga in which the technique is used.
 * You're completely certain as in you've been reading it and you think you know what it was. Or you've been reading and you can cite an exact page or episode where the symbols are shown and can prove what the hand signs are? There's a difference, a dozen people could be completely certain and all of them be completely wrong. Which is why for things which appear debatable a citation is needed. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Oct 8, 2007 @ 15:39 (UTC)

In episode 134 of the anime, when Sasuke is initiating his final chidori against Naruto, you can clearly see him performing the ox, rabbit, monkey hand sequences. Also, in manga volume 13, while initiating his chidori against Gaara, Sasuke can be seen making the rabbit, monkey hand sequences, which most likely followed the ox hand sign. Aside from this evidence, I have never seen sasuke use the rabbit, boar, monkey sequence when using chidori, and I have seen all of the instances in which Chidori was used, unless you can provide me with evidence proving me wrong, like i just did.24.185.163.37 18:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks for the episode number. I'll add it in a ref tag as a reference to the hand signs. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Oct 9, 2007 @ 00:04 (UTC)

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http://naruto.wikia.com/index.php?title=Chidori&curid=2006&diff=61770&oldid=61551

Where does it state that Chidori becomes a S-Rank technique when used by Sauske? Any non-A rank Chidori is likely a completely different Jutsu and shouldn't be marked that way.

As for the rest of the text. I thought that discussion was already resolved. Part of that is mentioning information about other variants of Chidori that don't belong on this page. Other than that, it's completely unnecessary, in fact it makes the article look unprofessional with how poorly written it is. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Nov 14, 2008 @ 06:49 (UTC)


 * It doesn't jump a rank. Malkhawam is simply trying to add what he/she thinks its level of power is. And yes you are correct, but he wants to add the game techniques Chidori: Thunder and Chidori: Thunderclap to this page because he does not believe they appeared in the Narutimate Accel 2. I actually blocked him yesterday, but felt guilty about it because I was already stressing out yesterday.--TheUltimate3 13:26, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok I won't state that it is S-rank I swear, but at least can I write without stating the other moves information, but I will make it simpler, and I swear it isn't game information. I swear that I have the games Naruto accel 1, and 2 plus I have ultimate ninja 2, and won my cousin's Ultimate Ninja 3. So please can you let me do this and stop the protecting thing? Just answer These questions as fast as you both can. Malkhawam HM 14:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC).


 * And I can tell you, that a Chidori can't really zig-zag or whatever, it can be done in the air, but as long as the user is going in one straight direction, and it is not strong enough to cause thunder storms.--TheUltimate3 15:34, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

First If the user puts alot of thrust and chakra into the Chidori it could be possible for it to generate a medium size lightning storm at least. The zig-zag thing that I said was wrong so you were right, but I swear that in naruto accel 2 and other games when sasuke goes up in the air he could go straight if the enemys were close to each other, but if they were seperated he would do it in more than one direction (even in the way of Chidori: Thunderclap and Raku). I swear. Malkhawam HM 15:46, 14 November 2008 (UTC).

If the user puts alot of power into the Chidori, all you get is a big Chidori in the guys hand. And you then just proved my point. IN THE GAMES. The article is not the games. Anime/Manga canon > Games. In the games for gameplay and simply cinematic reasons, they make the Chidori do all sorts of things, but in Canon, if Sasuke where to use the Chidori he could only gone ONE way. If there were two enemies and they were seperated, in CANON he could only hit one of them with the Chidori before having to charge a second one.--TheUltimate3 15:51, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

It's true that they will get a bigger Chidori, but I was wrong about the lightning storm, but it would produce some lightning even though it is not a lightning storm. When I ment Sasuke does Chidori in many directions I meant he charges it very fast and he could do that just like how the new shippuden episode came out and Kakashi charged the Lightning Blade extremely fast, and because of Sasuke amazing speed he now has he would strike the Chidori very fast. So what do you say. Malkhawam HM 16:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC).

The Ultimate 3 is right. THAT'S JUST FOR THE GAMES. I've seen two instances in which the information you put out is just from a game! Come on! If everyone put out information only seen in the game. Then Naruto Wiki would all be messed up. The thing is the game throws real Naruto stuff out the window to make it playable! If it was like that Anko could perform her "Snake Suicide Techinque" on any of her enimies all the time! So please stop putting information seen just in the game. It seems like a waaste of timeHaku711 14:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Naruto Shippuden Narutimate Accel 2 Chidori Real
I say that Chidori: Raku and Chidori: Thunderclap and Chidori: Thunder should be deleted. For Chidori: Thunderclap and Raku are just the directions of a Chidori if done like that, while if we see the variations from the shows one transforms to a current the other etc..... ( the three moves that I mentioned above are not variations!!!) While Chidori: Thunder is a big Chidori. So please everyone answer. Even you Dantman, Jacce, and TheUltimate3. Malkhawam HM 13:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC).
 * Personally, I don't think that the jutsus mention above contribute that mutch to this wiki. They are just variations of Chidori anyway. Jacce 14:07, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm saying they are not even variations. Malkhawam HM 14:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC).


 * They are game techniques. Nothing more. Being game techniques they do really serve no purpose here but to get rid of them we would have to rethink all the other game techs. Thats my opinion. Well I have more but really...they are worth it.--TheUltimate3 14:21, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * ADDITION: If you want to get rid of the game articles fine, but we are not going to add that information here. The Chidori can only go one straight line, nor have I seen use it, discharge it and start a new one again, nor have I seen him use his Mangekyo to super charge his Chidori.--TheUltimate3 14:28, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Game jutsu are game jutsu, I kinda like keeping articles about game jutsu long as we keep them separate from the canon jutsu. But besides that... they only differ a bit from the original jutsu? So? There are plenty of jutsu all around the wiki that only differ slightly from another jutsu they are based on, and they are given official names as well. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Nov 19, 2008 @ 17:32 (UTC)

Unlike other game jutsu's these are the same original Chidori and they are not variants (Chidori transformed to a current is called Chidori Current). So please could you delete them.

Dantman can you please take off the protection.


 * It won't get off protection cause all that will do is end up with you being blocked. At the moment this is the best solution, though I am still against the idea of getting rid of Chidori: Thunderclap and Chidori: Thunder simply because they are slight variations of Chidori, and Game Techs.

Malkhawam, multiple users comment against the addition to the page you want to make. I wouldn't be doing my job as administrator properly if I sided with you and unprotected the page for that edit. And just cause you said it doesn't mean anything. Just a statement alone without anything to back it up doesn't mean a thing. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Nov 19, 2008 @ 20:04 (UTC)

Ok. Then tell me if I could put these two informations: 1. He could use Chidori in multi-directions. 2. If the user could put more Chakra than usual then it would produce a few lightnings. Write what you think Dantman. Malkhawam HM 03:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
 * I can do it for ya. Because Sasuke has shown that he can't use a Chidori in multiple directions, nor has putting alot of chakra into it shown to create lightning bolts, I would say nowhere.--TheUltimate3 04:09, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Ok then. When I say multi-directions I mean that he could pich the direction wants (like being in the air and going the direction up). The lightning bolts are wrong, but it is possible for sasuke to put more chakra for the chidori (just like kakashi). So dantman do you got an answer. Malkhawam HM 04:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC).


 * Your version of going one direction (I.E. In the air) is already established. Kinda goes with the whole "I can only go one direction". And it is already established that more chakra can be put into the Chidori. It does not however do anything above making it more deadly than it already is. (And Kakashi isn't so much adding more chakra to his Lightning Blade, he is simply compressing it into a much finer well blade)--TheUltimate3 04:21, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Where is this mentioned and it would be more deadlier as you said (Big Chidori). So tell me where is this mentioned. Malkhawam HM 04:26, 20 November 2008 (UTC).

Dantman aren't you going to answer this. If we solve this war fast could you take off the protection? Malkhawam HM 05:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC).

Dantman aren't you going to take off the protection. TheUltimate3 look at what I said about the Big Chidori and stuff. Malkhawam HM 13:56, 20 November 2008 (UTC).


 * Boy(I assume boy) lets be honest here, at this point I don't give a  what you say anymore. All you have been doing so far was running yourself around in circles. The protection will not be dropped, if you don't know what will happen if you pump more chakra into a move then you are beyond help, and dammit Game Physics < Canon Physics. NON of the Naruto games re exactly like the show. NONE OF THEM. THEY ARE GAMES. DIFFERENT FRIGGIN RULES APPLY. For the love of whatever deity you believe in man think!--TheUltimate3 14:08, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

This information is not from the game. 1. He can use Chidori in any directions (even in the air because of his speed) and curve in the air to switch the direction and do it in another direction. (that he will go in only one direction but he could chose which direction) and 2. The user could put more Chakra for the Chidori if he wants. So tell me about this (they mentioned in the anime that the user is able to put more Chakra into the Chidori). So answer this. Malkhawam HM 14:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC).

No he can't!! Damit man can't you se that ur hurting the lives of everyone around here by saying he can when he cant! even he's not that powerful! Got that! stop putting stuff in here that's from games or from stuff that you don't know for certain. If you are so sure about it, show me some proof! In the meanwhile I say we vote on wheter or not sasuke can change the direction of his target (curve/zig-zag I really don't give a 51-117). I vote he can't.

This is only between me and Dantman and TheUltimate3. So do you got an answer TheUltimate3. Malkhawam HM 14:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC).


 * By the God of Christianity, Judaism and Islam....


 * 1) Talk Pages are open conversation unless they are in User Talk Pages: So anyone can chime in. Though I am going to gut out the bulk of Haku's addition as it seems to be well. Worth nothing either.
 * 2) He can't change his direction in the middle of the attack. The speed of the attack plus the tunnel vision the attack forces on the user literally forces you to go one way. Thats why without a Sharingan, the damn thing can miss, a lot.
 * 3)"The user could put more Chakra for the Chidori if he wants. So tell me about this (they mentioned in the anime that the user is able to put more Chakra into the Chidori). So answer this."
 * What the flipping? What are you even asking?
 * 4) What is this answer you keep telling me I have to answer? You don't actually ask a question. Ever. And if to do, I'm sorry and I'm not sure if it is your first language but your English is Terribad. I mean look at #3 and you'll see what I'm talking about.--TheUltimate3 15:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

First I did not mean in the middle of the attack when he is about to finish (after doing the straight line) he would move his hand to a direction. Got it. And for the adding Chakra part didn't you hear them say it once in the show. Malkhawam HM 15:53, 20 November 2008 (UTC).


 * You are officially running around in circles now. None of your points match up with anything you've said previously, nor do they make any sense anymore. Your entire arguement up til now was that Sasuke can change the direction of his Chidori, but now its he can attack anything within arms length with the Chidori. Then you tell me that the Anime did say you can put more chakra into the Chidori, but then you want me to answer some question which you just answered.--TheUltimate3 15:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, everyone knows first that the user could give more chakra for the chidori (like kakashi). While I meant for that it could be done multi-directions is that he could just recharge it in the air but without the same stance (just seeing him switching the direction, but if you look carefully you could see him make the chidori bigger (it gets smaller after hitting the opponent and after he used it in one straight line). So if you understand right down. Malkhawam HM 16:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
 * Then thats not a Chidori feat. Thats a feat that the user has. If the user for some stupid reason wants to waste the amount of time they can use the Chidori so the point where they stop it and recharge it then thats on them. But thats not something that will be added to the wiki.--TheUltimate3 16:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I know you have told me that games are non-canon, but Naruto Shippuden: Utimate Accel 2 is at least quater-canon so look at this video and you will see what I was talking about (Sasuke using the chidori in other directions). Malkhawam HM 16:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC).
 * It is still the game. It is not worth a grain of salt in comparison to canon. It will not be added. Nothing you can say or do will change that.--TheUltimate3 16:58, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Cant we put a game section Malkhawam HM 17:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC).


 * No. Because they had their own articles. You wanted them deleted.--TheUltimate3 17:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

If anyone knew the naruto accel 2 game is a least a little bit like the shows and movies (ask about it and the Chidori details is real I asked the creators of the game by sending them a message). So what I am putting is right and both of you look at this video []. Please answer this question Dantman, and TheUltimate3. Malkhawam HM 17:27, 20 November 2008 (UTC).

The Chakra thing that I said about Chidori I remember that I saw it on Naruto episode 132 or 83. And the direction thing I meant was going one straight way, but the user picks the direction. So TheUltimate3 and Dantman do you guys get my idea. Malkhawam HM 05:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC).

Look at my talk page TheUltimate3 and Dantman and look at Jacce's answer for the Chidori on my talk page (Answer my moves serction the last and before last answers). See what he wrote. Malkhawam HM 11:31, 21 November 2008 (UTC).

TheUltimate3 Sasuke can turn while using the Chidori because he copied this when Rock Lee fought Gaara. So please tell me if this is right. Please look at the first section of my talk page and the last answer and you will see what jacce wrote? Mhalkhawam HMA 14:32, 7 December 2008 (UTC).


 * Didn't I block you for like 6 months? Oh...my god do you really think I won't block you again?--TheUltimate3 15:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Why is it one direction
TheUltimate3 do you know why the user has to go one straight line for the Chidori. Malkhawam HM 14:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC).


 * I decided. I am no longer going to continue these Chidori conversations with you. I will revert what I know is false information, but as of now I will no longer continue this. It has been going on for a almost a week. I'm tired. I'm sick. And I'm not going to do this anymore.--TheUltimate3 16:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I just asked why does it go straight because I don't know why I swear. So could you answer. Malkhawam HM 16:39, 21 November 2008 (UTC).


 * That was explained quite well in the anime. The chidori relies on both the chakra used, and thrust. The faster the person is moving, the stronger the chidori. If the user is not running at an extremely high speed, then the chidori becomes a completely useless technique. It's meant for quick assassination.
 * Now, there are 2 issues there. Firstly, that creates tunnel vision blocking off the sights of the user, which is why you need sharingan to pull the move off without issues. And the second, more relevant issue, is physics. If you are moving in one direction at a high speed, momentum prevents you from turning in any direction. You might be able to curve a few centimeters to make sure that you are aiming on target still. But you cannot make any actual turn, momentum forces you to keep the same general direction that you started with. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Dec 4, 2008 @ 17:33 (UTC)

Chidori current
What happened to chidori current, it apeared almost a week ago(on june 11). I still can't find it.


 * Chidori Current?--TheUltimate3 (talk) 17:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I believe that what you are looking for is Chidori Nagashi. It is that same technique, with the same name. But we instead use the Japanese pronunciation.--Otacon1514 (talk) 04:37, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Shock
can't chidori be used to shock someone too? in shippuden episode 143, when sasuke used chidori on killer bee, it electricuted him instead of going through him --71.156.39.89 (talk) 04:01, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sasuke was to take Killer Bee alive. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:04, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

Debut
Wasn't chidori debut when kakashi fought zabuza
 * That was Raikiri, not Chidori L Mars (talk) 15:07, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

chidori shape transformation
sasuke has aplied shape transformation to his chidori and has given it several new forms. during his fight with danzo in the end he makes a lightning sword out of thin air to stab danzo. since his lightning abilities comes from his chidori(except kirin) shouldn't that be counted as a chidori jutsu? or perhaps another form of his chidori sharp spear?

(Darksusanoo (talk) 10:54, March 3, 2010 (UTC))
 * To me it looks like the Chidori Sharp Spear, which is already listed under "Directly Derived jutsu". Jacce | Talk 12:10, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Humans?
In the artical it says it can kill most humans but i mean what else would it be used to kill?

Personal Opinion
I noticed that it says "in the anime it looks more powerful." This sounds to me like someone's personal opinion instead of an actual fact. Could someone remove this?

Name Confusion
Is the English "One Thousand Chirping birds" or just "One Thousand Birds?" I remember someone saying something about the name having chirping in it. During the Chunin Exam Finals, maybe? (Zaxbeez)
 * "Chi(千)" is one thousand and "dori(鳥)" is bird so I wouldn't say chirping fits into that. --GoDai (talk) 05:42, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe someone mentioned chirping because the technique has the sound of many chirping birds, so that's why it is called "One Thousand Birds". Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:14, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Incomplete
I think it should be noted that the Chidori is incomplete. In the Hidan Kakuzu arc Kakashi stated that he originally wanted to add the shape transformation of his chakra to the "highest possible point" and then combine it with his Chidori ,but was unable to do it, also it should be noted only when making this point that Kakashi was Minato’s student and his signature technique was called Flying Thunder God so that speculates that he could have also had a lighting chakra nature and that he taught Kakashi Chidori and himself had originally intended on creating an jutsu with took the highest possible point shape transformation  (Rasengan) and the ultimate lighting jutsu Chidori and combine them ,but he as well could not do this. It should also be noted that when Jiraiya saw Sasuke use it on Naruto during their fight on top of the hospital he seemed to be familiar with this jutsu which if only Kakashi used he probably would not have noticed, but Minato was his student so if he had used this jutsu it would explain why he was familiar with it. It’s a far stretch to say that the Rasengan and Chidori should be the same jutsu or at least two variations of the same jutsu ,but it makes since one is the best nature transformation and one is the best shape transformation. ____TwinDragon
 * As far as I remember, Kakashi wanted to add his nature transformation to the Rasengan, but was unable to do so. His efforts eventually led him to create the Chidori: the highest point of shape transformation he could combine with his nature transformation.
 * Also, it has been very, very clearly stated that Chidori is Kakashi original technique. In fact, when he first used it in the Kakashi Gaiden, Minato seemed unfamiliar with it. Jiraiya and Kakashi knew each other well, explaining how Jiraiya knew about the Chidori.
 * Also, it has never been said that Chidori is the highest form of nature manipulation. —ShounenSuki (talk 20:03, August 25, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed
I do agree with what you said I only posted the my last post as a debate. You know your stuff ShounenSuki touché!!!!!

TwinDragon

Can Byakugan Users use Chidori?
it is said that chidori has drawbacks which is:

"The speed at which the attack must be done, combined with the fact that the user must run in a straight line, causes a tunnel vision-like effect for the user.his allows the enemy to easily counter the attack, making it a potentially lethal move for the user.Though this drawback would seem to make learning the technique fairly pointless, Sasuke and Kakashi are able to avoid the drawback because of their Sharingan, which take in every detail regardless of how fast the user is moving. "

Now as Byakugan also able to see fast moving objects as shown during hinata vs neji and neji vs kidomaru respectively Can Byakugan Users use Chidori?--Dainsleaf (talk) 05:54, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Where in those fights is it shown the Byakugan can see faster objects than normal eyes? —ShounenSuki (talk 07:50, January 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * not really sure (cuz i am too lazy to check) but i think that is because Neji is able to deflect the fast Kunai that Kidomaru throw at him,
 * as for Hinata's fight i don't really know the details, but it was mentioned in Byakugan Talk page--Dainsleaf (talk) 11:03, January 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Even ordinary shinobi are capable of deflecting kunai. It's a matter of good reflexes, rather than special eyes. —ShounenSuki (talk 11:23, January 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * The Byakugan could work in theory though, because although it may not give the user faster reflexes, it does give them 360 degree eyesight, which would make it very hard to counter. - KageBushin 12:37 January, 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * @ Shonensuki: True, that most Shinobi able to deflect Kunai..., Yet we are talking about the storm of Kunai Kidomaru Unleashed on Neji after he seal Neji's Kaiten.At that time, Kidomaru unleashed hundreds of Kunai from all direction targeted at Neji Rapidly non stop in which Neji deflect most of them except of those get into his blind spots...--Dainsleaf (talk) 12:44, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * That must be an anime-only thing then. In the manga, Neji only uses the Hakkeshō Kaiten to deflect kunai. he uses Hakke Rokujūyonshō to deflect a few dozen falling spiders, but even that is difficult for him. Besides, kunai are slow and easy to evade or block and Kidōmaru never uses that many. None of this proves the Byakugan gives high-speed vision. —ShounenSuki (talk 14:07, January 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nope, this is also shown in manga. Kidomaru hides after summoning Large Spider and rapidly use traps that release hundreds of Kunai from all directions. Specifically on chapter 195 page 12 or 13--Dainsleaf (talk) 08:42, January 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Again, kunai are slow. Also, Kidōmaru doesn't actually use that many kunai —Dozens at most, certainly not hundreds— and Neji already has trouble keeping up with them. —ShounenSuki (talk 11:04, January 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * You were right on this part... Kunai is pretty much slow. How Neji is able to avoid all those Kunai is probably compareable to how Kakashi able to deflect all Shuriken Zabuza thow at him on chapter 26 page 11/12 --Dainsleaf (talk) 14:04, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Picture Change
I think we need to change the image now that the Anime Chidori looks like the manga one, or add one. Fangzntalonz (talk) 01:52, January 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * I see no need to change it, it looks fine to me. ~ Fmakck - Talk - Contributions 02:09, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * It just bothers me that that's not what it looks like anymore. Its just a mental thing, the OCD Fangzntalonz (talk) 02:17, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think a new picture should be added sincew the new anime chidori looks like the manga, which is more canon then anime. This wiki is all about canon so why should it not be added and replaced by a accurate chidori Narutofox94 (talk) 06:25, April 13, 2011 (UTC)Narutofox94
 * The anime and manga are both canon, and there is nothing wrong with the current image.  ~ Fmakck©  (Images 11:35, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * By what you said that means the anime filler is canon. If the Lightning Beast Running Technique has both anime and manga pictures bc it was used differently so should this page. The chidori was used in the palm of the hand in early part of naruto then now its covering the hand like the manga. Narutofox94 (talk) 02:25, April 14, 2011 (UTC)Narutofox94
 * bump 74.207.179.180 (talk) 20:04, April 16, 2011 (UTC)narutofox94

If i were to advocate for anything it'd be a change in the picture for Raikiri. This one is fine.--Cerez365™☺ 20:10, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

rasengan?
i remember in the manga kid kakashi, while about to use it, tells minato that he based chidori off of rasengan.
 * No he didn't. When Kakashi is teaching Naruto nature transformation, he shows that he can do the Rasengan as well, and tells Naruto that when Minato taught him the Rasengan, Kakashi tried to combine his Lightning Release with it, but failed, so he developed the Chidori instead. Chidori uses both shape and nature transformation, but its shape manipulation isn't as difficult as the one employed to perform Rasengan. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:41, May 14, 2011 (UTC)