Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36006024-20180727165341/@comment-34194151-20180806214931

@LegionZero

Amaterasu is a bit complicated due to inconsistencies. It's not supposed to be a projetcile, it's speed comes from the fact that it conjures the flames on the focal point of the user's vision. But supposedly, it only does this within a range of 5 meters, and then travels as a projectile. The games depict it this way, and itachi seemed to use it as a projectile against sasuke as well, but I',m pretty sure despite this is inconsistency, Ayy in any case was well within 5 meters when he evaded amaterasu, which means the flames were conjuring on him but he was so fast that sasuke's eyes could no longer see him, which is why it then traveled as projectile to hit the samurai.

Ok, I agree kakashi in theory with raikiri (which boosts his speeds) could keep up V2 jinchuriki, but definitely not in base. But I still don't think that even with raikiri he should be anywhere near raikage's top speed.

I agree that Gai could have been a case of timing, positioning, and using gravity to amp his speed.

Well, for naruto and raikage, I agree with him getting caught off guard the first time, but if you don't know your enemy's speed and need to get by them, then use your top speed no? I thought naruto's goal was to get past the raikage.

@Jason I agree mostly with the consensus, because Obito's speed was never properly established. But he never had trouble blitzing his opponents prior to the KCM naruto battle either when he needed to. I blame this due to war arc inconsistencies though. How was EMS sasuke keeping up with KCM naruto, minato, and tobirama??? Tobirama and minato left him in the dust to the battlefield. EMS sasuke should be significantly slower than all of them based on feats but I'm pretty sure Kishi needed sasuke to be equal to naruto for plot. I can see your argument too, but even if it is plot there is no proper way to scale Obito's speed otherwise. So I feel like we should go with Obito being KCM level. The only other statment we can go on is The raikage saying he is the fastest alive with Minato dead, only to be outpaced by KCM naruto... but then again I never understood how we can be sure if that was Kishimoto establishing Raikage's speed in the universe as a canonical fact as opposed to Raikage wanking himself... But based on feats Raikage does back up his claim... so idk.