Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31074250-20170311171452/@comment-30426414-20170314174102

Mobzzzzz5 wrote: 1. People are saying that Momoshiki looks weak, well the Kage had 10 years for a threat they believed to be greater than Kaguya, so obviously they would be prepared for those two, however as shown in the manga they were not able to inflict any damage on Momoshiki unless Sasuke helped. Which just goes to show how strong he really is, even though the Kage were supposedly prepeared, some people would say that they were never shown training, but why would they just sit and hope for the best if they know what a Kaguya level threat can do. I say a decade because that is the amount of time Sasuke spent away from his family, and that's why Sarada never met him.

Just because there are more powerful opponents out there does not mean everyone just gets a mind numbing boost from just training harder. If we're going by that logic, there should have been numerous hashirama and madara level ninja during the years when the senju and the uchiha were fighting and the first ninja war. But there weren't any, despite the fact that hashirama and madara were exponentially stronger than everyone else, no one was able to even come close to their level until about a century later when the sage gave naruto and sasuke his chakra. So even naruto and sasuke couldn't surpass madara and hashirama without the help of the sage. No amount of training can put you on the level of a ninja that has six paths chakra, it has never happened, unless one opens the 8th gate. The closest anyone has ever come was Hashirama and even he paled in comparison to the ninja with six paths chakra.

Pre transformation Momoshiki is stronger than kinshiki and darui was fighting on par with him. Do you think Darui could do that to kaguya when even teen rinnegan sasuke failed to do it? Throughout the whole battle with kaguya, sasuke only managed to land 1 little hit on her and that was after she was exhausted.

Mobzzzzz5 wrote: 2. The second argument is that people do not realize how much stronger Naruto and Sasuke have gotten, Sasuke fully mastered his rinnegan, and Naruto got Kurama's other half, both are significant boosts to their power even though they were weakened prior to the fight.

It doesn't matter how strong they've become, Kaguya had the whole ten tails minus half of kurama plus the chakra of the billions of people trapped in the infinite tsukuyomi. Full kurama pales in comparison to that. Kaguya also has the byakugan, and the powers of the sharingan and rinnegan plus the abilities of the rinnesharingan. That also trumps what sasuke has.

Mobzzzzz5 wrote: 3. Lastly why would Kaguya be afraid of people that she is capable of handling. She has abnormal powers, yet even with those she preferred to kill her children rather than stop building her army, to fight them. This amount of fear, requires them to be out of her control, she has many taijutsu attacks that she could have used, but instead she cowered and decided to kill her children instead of not building an army. How fearful she was of their arrival proves how strong they must be.

It was never stated that kaguya feared momoshiki and kinshiki. Sasuke said she was building an army because of them. As far as I'm concerned, nothing in the lore clearly shows that they are stronger, yes kaguya was building an army but obviously she was preparing for more than momoshiki and kinshiki. I find it hard to believe that momoshiki and kinshiki are the only otsutsuki's out there, who else will pose a threat to naruto and sasuke if not for the otsutsuki's in the boruto series. Not to mention sasuke never finished telling naruto everything that was written on kaguya's scroll, it most probably has to do with the people she actually feared.

Momoshiki after eating kinshiki died from a gigantic standard rasengan added to boruto's weak wind release rasengan, this rasengan was not enhanced by six paths senjutsu, it was not enhanced by kurama's chakra, it was not enhanced by naruto's wind release, it was just a humongous normal rasengan. Meanwhile, kaguya tanked the Tailed beast rasenshuriken which was enhanced by all those things plus various tailed beast chakra and there were 9 of nine and she wasn't even critically damaged.

Kaguya can heal any damage kinshiki does to her but he can't. Thats probably the biggest factor in this fight and she obviously knows about his techniques so she won't be feeding him jutsus. She can also absorb all the jutsu he throws her way as well but her jutsu absorption is better defensively speaking because it acts on every part of her body. Whereas kinshiki has to absorb the jutsu through his hands to successfully defend against it. This means that if kaguya can create a diversion and manage to land an ash killing bone on kinshiki's body, then its curtains.