Board Thread:Consensus Track/@comment-38502514-20190216075013/@comment-38502514-20190217064045

I know your intentions were not to offend, but your comment is quite ignorant on the subject, and has made some pretty harmful statements. Firstly, gender equality is related to feminism. We are talking about gender expression and identity. Feminism can actually disrespect gender identity, as they will often times regard a trans man as “one of them”, entirely negating the fact that he has said he is a man. While they reject trans woman. (Not the good feminists, but a decent portion).

There are cases of feminists agreeing with trans (lgbtq+) rights, but that doesn’t make them the same thing. Feminists also team up with groups fighting for racial equality. Again, this is just two groups who are discriminated against teaming up. It doesn’t make their plight the same.

Second of all, why are you bringing up science? Let people live their lives. There is no science to support it, but there is no science to disprove it. In fact, studies have shown that the mind of a trans baby does in fact reflect opposite genders etc. So while we can’t say chromosomes can magically change in favour of trans, it doesn’t matter.

But here’s the REAL important thing. This is a work of fiction. Where foxes have nine tails and people spit fire. I think topics of “science” are very irrelevant. You’re saying people can’t change sex in real life so Oro should stay put. Well Oro isn’t in reality. Oro has changed literal sex multiple times. Oro has changed in to a snake, and a hydra. Oro isn’t in our reality. So why is science or feminism even being brought to the table?

Are we going to say Tsunade and Sakura shouldn’t be physically stronger than B or A? Because scientifically muscle mass doesn’t work like that and female bodies can’t hold as much as two fully grown very muscular males? No. Because this is a work of fiction. We aren’t using real life regulations. It would be bizarre to try work things out as if these people are real people. If Tsunade can heal a stab wound by magic, she can punch a wall. That's the lore of the Naruto verse.

Another thing is this whole debate on why Kakashi isn’t being portrayed as a former sharingan user but as his current form. Why is this an issue? We made Oro represent what he is now, and that is “various”, or non-gendered. If we put him as “male” we would be taking first season Oro only. Which is like saying Kakashi has the sharingan even though he doesn’t anymore, or Jiraiya is alive. We are taking the latest info of Oro and updating it. Ins't this more in line with what you wanted?

Various is very suitable. And it’s really not about whether you believe in trans or feminism. It was, as a non binary person, a bit hard to read your misconceptions on the idea. But I hope you understand now that gender identity is shifting away from a mere PC term, and in to something more recognized. We do have examples of Non binary and trans creatures in nature, if you're ever interested in researching the topic for evidence. Cows, birds, fish, there are a lot of examples of very interesting cases. That very much show case gender is more fluid than we have it credit for.

But in this case, we are not pretending to be scientists. We are giving facts on a fantasy world. A world where someone has and did change gender and sex. So having it there is important. I do feel real life mentions of lgbtq+ issues should be kept outside this topic. As this is purely a work of fiction where anything is possible, and no one is asking for a political debate on your belief on real life people who transition and do not conform to binary views.

I'm still very much in support of the idea of "various" being used, as it won't step on anyones toes, and it is very accurate and factual on what Oro has displayed.