Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20180513035214/@comment-6769189-20180516130619

LoneNinja wrote:

1) The Databook states "Those who blossomed the Senjutsu of Six Paths wear these black orbs, encompassing the power of all five natures and Yin–Yang." That doesn't say only those who wield Sixth Paths Senjutsu get to use them. I'd also like to point out that the Databook's statements can be retconned and have been many times. And even if it did indeed state that was the only way to use TSB, then the moment Toneri used them without it, it would have been retconned just like other techniques which stated to be light speed, or impossible to dodge, or cut through all things, or needing Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, etc. This actually proves my point. Those who have 6 Paths Senjutsu have TSB. The Coffin Seal profile corroborates this as well. This lends credence that Tenseigan Chakra Mode is a form of 6 Paths Senjutsu, but different from the Coffin Seal and 6 Paths Sage Mode.

LoneNinja wrote:

"It is represented by a dark-coloured, crescent moon-like marking on the user's left palm." and "When Sasuke did so in conjunction with Naruto Uzumaki's Six Paths Yang Power, the mark on his left hand vanished, returning to Hagoromo's own left hand.[4]" and "He also had a dark crescent-moon representing Yin mark in his left palm. (link to the Yin Power page)" Despite the marks disappearing from both Naruto and Sasuke they still had all their 6 Paths abilities. Those marks/powers were for 6 Paths Chibaku Tensei. Under the 6 Paths Chibaku Tensei entry in the databook, the "powers" are for activating it. They are not markers for determining whether or not they have their 6 Paths abilities.

LoneNinja wrote: 6) No factors? Sasuke got Rinnegan from Hagoromo once he gave him his Chakra, that same Chakra was passed onto Naruto. That is a factor. Secondly, your argument fails. Assumptions are assumptions. Just because your assumption is about TSM, doesn't make it right. The arrogance on you. "I'm right because my assumption is about a technique he is stated to have even though he isn't stated to have SPS, but you're wrong because they aren't stated to have the techniques" Lol, get that bull shit outta here. Alright, let me give another set of examples. Sasuke has Rinnegan, therefore he has Limbo according to your logic. Madara has Mangekyo and Susano'o, therefore he has Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, according to your logic. Naruto has all natures and mastery over them and Hashirama's dna, therefore he has Wood Release and Self Sustaining nourishment, according to your logic. Etc. That is not what i am saying. What i am saying is if someone has Kurama Chakra Mode then they have Kurama's chakra. If someone has a Mangekyo Sharingan, then they have the Sharingan. If Sasuke hypothetically had Limbo, he would have to have Madara's Rinnegan, because Limbo is unique to his Rinnegan.

I am saying that if A is required for B, then having B means that one has A. What you are saying is that because A can lead to B, having A means that one also has B.

I don't see how this is such a crazy idea because when we look at Madara, he has Susanoo and there is no statement/showing/confirmation of any kind that he has any Sharingan abilities, but because they are required to awaken Susanoo, we accept that he has them without confirmation.

Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote:

Not capable of using Mangekyou abilities is what I meant. Kamui is a Mangekyou ability. Madara didnt use Susanoo. Madara didnt use genjutsu/anything Mangekyou related. Not using Mangekyo may be because Madara cant activate it/deactivate Rinnegan. As for Susanoo, Madara's arrogance?

Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote:

Lmao, what the hell? Biju cannot be killed they are immortal, you need maximum Rinnegan tomoe like powers to eradicate the bijuu. Only way to kill a Bijuu is when thier inside the Jinchuuriki's body. Being sealed in a Jinchuriki was never stated to be a pre-req

Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote:

I dont know how this is even related to my point remotely. This was related to your comment about how Naruto "didnt have a way to measure blind Sasuke's strength"

Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote:

Madara knew Perfect Susanoo can cut all things despite using it for the first time against the Gokages. Dont say Vote 2 fight which was Kyuubi armoured with Majestic attire. Madara knew it some how. It was never stated that his first use of Perfect Susanoo was during his fight against the 5 kage