Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-28846843-20160625201600/@comment-28885945-20160630055800

Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Dizmiz01 wrote: I have seen you argue so many times and no...you honestly believe Hiruzen could fight off a Susanoo? what juts in his arsenal can bypass the defense of one? Sadly he has no KG or tailed beast, maybe with control over a tailed beast he would have the fire power but he simply lacks the firepower to compete at the level of Hashirama, Madara, Naruto, Sasuke, Itachi. In my honest opinion Obito during the war was more powerful than him with his rinnegan and MS, he has no answer for intangibility, Kamui, the six paths techniques he's outclassed its sad but for someone with no special abilities he is the most powerful but to become Madara/Hashirama level you need to be a Jinchuriki or have so haxxed KG that how Naruto works. if it's battle neutral location definitely he can fight the Susanoo...he doesn't has to worry about saving someone from Susanoo's attacks.the only problem is the high defense nothing more. And continuous use of PS is wastage of chakra anyways besides hiruzen can use all jutsu of konoha (includes edo tensei, flying raijin etc)even his summon monkey king enma seems to be formidable especially since Orochimaaru didn't want to face him (and repeatedly tries to stop him from summoning) his best use of power was against guruguru where he simultaneously used 5 nature transformation.i would say hiruzen is formidable someone who shouldn't be underestimated. susanoo isn't just defense its top 3 offensive jutsu aswell and i hate it because i think it is a hack but lets be honest, has he user personally used flying raisin? is he proficient in it? and five chakra natures at once is still weaker than a mini tailed beast bomb imo. yeah his summon is cool but he has never faced shin obi with a battle avatar which is what separates the top tier from the rest, a chakra entity that does your fighting is different than combining elements, for a normal ninja he's the best, when it comes to the dbz power level ninja he's not able to compete anymore yeah he can run but for how long, plus chakra reserves aren't a problem for most of those people.