Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-26145872-20160224202704/@comment-24163532-20160316065827

@MLG "Naruto couldn't fuse with the frogs because of Kurama. When Pa tried to fuse with naruto the nine tails kicked him out. So naruto intelligently used shadow clones to compensate. Like I said, naruto surpassed Jiraiya overall at that point," Doesn't matter why he couldn't do it, it's the fact he couldn't which made Jiraiya's Sage Mode better then Naruto's. Naruto surpassed Jiraiya only in terms of control in Sage Mode. He knew how to blend in more properly with just eyes being affected where Jiraiya takes animal characteristics. This doesn't mean Naruto surpassed him, in fact, because Jiraiya can utilize Pa and Ma where Naruto could not, I believe his is better, after all Infinite Sage Mode > A Few Sage Modes. "The summoning s aren't that big of an advantage when Pain had his own summons countering them." Not my point I was just stating the only things Naruto had over Jiraiya. "naruto is better equipped to fight Pain because of his massive chakra reservess, shadow clones and rasenshuriken +transformation jutsu." Jiraiya has just as much reserves as Naruto. The fact that Naruto could spam hundreds of Shadow Clones but couldn't summon Gamabunta at one point means Gamabunta > Hundreds of Shadow Clones in terms of Chakra drainage. So Jiraiya is capable of a dozen Clones, maybe not as much as Naruto, but still enough. Rasenshuriken is the only thing that's the big difference between Naruto and Jiraiya however, Jiraiya's Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan, said to be able to erase a mountain, would suffice in replacement. Actually anything that would incapacitate a Pein would suffice. Jiraiya had a huge advantage over Naruto, he could spam Sage Mode using Ma and Pa, and use them for collaboration techniques. He was also waaaaaaaaaaaay more intelligent and battle oriented. The only reason Naruto was able to survive against Pein was because of Kurama only due to his limited Sage Useage. Jiraiya wouldn't have that problem in Naruto's situation.