Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-43638386-20190908183824/@comment-9782468-20190909133856

@Shark Sage regarding your OP as well, how is NTCM or Kurama mode a bs plot power up? Naruto had to fight Kurama for his power, then he had to earn Kurama's respect and trust for Kurama mode. I mean, it's your discussion so it's fine to restrict it to Sage Mode, but it's weird that you consider his power up bs considering he fought hard for NTCM and had to prove himself over the course of the series for Kurama mode.

Weirder still that you consider Sasuke's MS an earned power up when Sasuke literally only had to learn the truth about Itachi to unlock it. He literally got MS because Obito talked to him.

Anyways, how is Kisame going to deal with Frog Kumite? He can't predict or dodge any of it, there's nothing stopping from him getting pummeled into the ground. Not only that, Sage Mode grants sensing that allows prediction comparable to the Sharingan. Naruto used it to outmaneuver the Third Raikage, who's way faster than Kisame. What's Kisame going to do?

But overall, while I think Naruto could hold his own with and conceivably beat Kisame, I think Itachi would beat Sasuke first. Sasuke with MS was honestly not that smart of a fighter. He had his moments (like Genjutsu on Danzo's arm), but for the most part he just spammed his MS abilities. He spammed his abilities for like 2 major battles before he was closing in on blindness. Itachi is smarter, has more experience with MS, and it's implied that Itachi could have killed Sasuke in their last fight. I'm pretty sure he could do it here.

And I think Kisame and Itachi together overwhelm Naruto