Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-1018594-20150821001654/@comment-25093611-20150824143818

Thekillman wrote: Danzo fought and deliberately extended the fight with Sasuke so he could land Koto on "madara". Danzo is probably the only shinobi in existence at that point, who knew the full threat of Madara. Not from legends or anything, he's old enough to have either heard of his power firsthand or have witnessed it himself. Danzo had the opportunity to defeat Sasuke easily when bound, but didn't because Koto wasn't ready. Once it was he was unable to get to "madara" and so chose his sealing jutsu for a shot at "Madara" over a surefire defeat of Sasuke.

Danzo lost because of the Madara name, and as Tsunade explained later, Madara's name is a pretty powerful thing to have. If Danzo had known it was Obito, he likely wouldnt have bothered extending the fight with Sasuke (an opponent he could defeat) to prevent having to fight "Madara" (An opponent that he couldn't defeat other than via Koto). agree, i never said anything else... Thekillman wrote: He would've forced his sword through Sasuke's throat. he tried it but sharingan-hax showed up (it isnt plot armor, only cheap writing) BakumatsuWarrior wrote: And forgetting the fact that a simple kunai can't do anything to a Susanoo is not plot induced stupidity? again: who says that he had any other way against it? you are assuming that he had other ways who would be much better, but we dont know if he had it or not, so there is no PIS if there was never a "ability to forget" to begin with :I BakumatsuWarrior wrote: As I and others have pointed out, Danzo had enough knowledge about Susanoo to know that a kunai attack wouldn't work against a Susanoo. could he have done something else which is faster and stronger and a more chakra-sparing option than a kunai?

Yet he apparently "forgot" that fact and foolishly attacked with a kunai just to "test" its power, when in fact he already knew enough about the strength of Susanoo's armour. he didnt know it, otherwise why should he do that? you speculate that he had the knowledge because he was tobis student :I BakumatsuWarrior wrote: Hence, he "forgot" his ability/power to use his common sense and his knowledge and ended up doing something stupid. It is quite clear that someone like Danzo wouldn't do such a stupid thing in normal situations. how many fights did we see with him? one? how can we say that he would act composed while being cornered like that? and that therefore his acting in his fight with sasuke was PIS? BakumatsuWarrior wrote: But since he was against Sasuke, plot demanded that he be careless and stupid. he may have acted careless because he understaminated sasuke, PIS happens if there isnt a in-story reason for his behavior... BakumatsuWarrior wrote: 1. Danzo is a kage level shinobi, who had survived 3 wars before he was killed. we dont know how he acted in that fights, maybe he was going stupid too but he managed to survive :I this cant be used to judge his behavior in desperate-looking-battles... BakumatsuWarrior wrote: 2. Danzo was facing Sasuke and "Madara", and his best shot at defeating them were Izanagi and Kotoamatsukami. ? he used them but he couldnt kill sasuke with izhanagi and than hestitated to use koto because of 'madara'... he never forgot his abilitys only because he didnt use them, he actively didnt use them since 'madara' was present... BakumatsuWarrior wrote: 3. The Kotoamatsukami was recharging, so Danzo was left with Izanagi. Hence, Izanagi was an extremely precious resource Danzo couldn't afford wasting carelessly. this cant be used as argument for PIS :I BakumatsuWarrior wrote: 4. Danzo had enough intel about Susanoo to at least know that attacking it with a kunai is useless. the bolded part is speculation.... BakumatsuWarrior wrote: 5. However, he forgot all that intel and attacked Sasuke with a kunai, which led to an Izanagi being wasted for no good reason. this point is based on the speculation that he had intel... BakumatsuWarrior wrote: 6. Point no. 5 is not something a Kage level shinobi with intel about his enemy's abilities would normally do. and this point is useless since we dont know if danzo had even a better way of attacking the susanoo with a fast and close range attack that is more convenient than a kunai, in short: please dont assume that he could have abilities to deal with susanoo in a better way than he showed in the manga... BakumatsuWarrior wrote: Conclusion: Hence, Danzo's second Izanagi was plot induced stupidity, since he forgot all his intel on Susanoo, as a result he forgot to use his common sense and basic skills to stay away from the Susanoo, which was something Danzo would never do in normal situations. PIS confirmed, according to the very definition you provided. first: no intel, only your speculation, he may have heard of a jutsu named susanoo because of the way he talked after witnessing it but nothing suggests he was aware of the ins and outs of this jutsu...

second: everything based on "he forgot the intel" is useless since we dont know how much intel he had to begin with :I