Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36157725-20180816213118/@comment-31099706-20180818015555

CombatIQmatters wrote: The reason I wasn't impressed by the limbo thing was because sasuke could have done far better. I give him credit for trying to analyze it of course. but his plan was"bah, naruto you go after the clone if/when it reappears. Then his plan was to speed bltiz and seal madara. It wasn't very complex. For an extreme example, put shikamaru's father in that situation, he would have come up with a more complicated plan more quickly. Other characters have shown the ability to quickly grasp new or foreign abilities, study their weaknesses accurately, and use their foresight, knowledge, and resourcefulness to counter act them on a higher scale. Madara himself literally did this better than sasuke, from manipulating obito, faking his death against hashirama, duping tobirama with a shadow clone, etc. So I don't see why he was so amazed. .''' When facing someone who is both immortal and powerful as Ten Tails Madara, the plan scheme just becomes more simple. His plan actually worked, trapping Madara even before he could know of it. But then they weren't aware of him being able to switch between clones. But it made Madara, as in Uchiha Madara who became the Ten Tails Jinchuriki to escape. The same guy(prior to even absorbing the Shinju) who was fighting Eight Gates Gai.

And the Shika uses takes advantage of their surroundings and the fact that their opponent underestimates them. It's a different kind of battle genius that wouldn't work best over someone as overpowered and immortal as Madara is. The simple teleport and catch trick was enough, it wasn't like Madara would fall under any other trick, their only chance was to get him before he even knows.

Every character does show grasp in new and differeng abilities. But most of them are not cool minded while facing it, and not every one of them faced the new ability with an overpowered and immortal guy using it.

Madara left a shadow clone body so no figures out his truth, that wasn't high intellegence though, you could maybe call it a feat of skill. He manipulated Obito thinking that he was at the top, until Zetsu himself told him that.

May I also remind you that Obito(if he did have any feats) and Madara are over 30 years old, one of them being over a 100. So yes, they know alot of tricks because they saw and learned about alot of tricks. Can it be the same for a 17 year old? If Madara found it special that Sasuke broken down everything about his Limbo, then it means that it's not any small feat. CombatIQmatters wrote: The izanagi feat again wasn't that impressive either. Let's be honest. Danzo was fighting while heavily restricted by PIS, and he used the izanagi so much and so obviously that even Karin figured out the mechanics. All sasuke did was camp in susano'o in that fight and overpower Danzo. His genjutsu trick was nice, except for the fact it was already established that Danzo could casually see through his genjutsu. Obito had an idea he was using izanagi the whole time. He didn't think it was possible for Danzo to use it because he thought Danzo lacked hashirama cells, but when danzo showed the tree Obito instantly understood. PIS? Karin is not any average shinobi when it goes to the mind, yet she didn't exactly think through of everything, the instant she figured out Danzo's trick, she went on to advice Sasuke to hold back, which wasn't a good plan. And Obito noted that Sasuke already figured out Danzo's trick and knew that he shouldn't allow Danzo to stop. And then in mid battle, made a genjutsu under an obviously visible genjutsu to trick Danzo. Gaining a wide compliment from Obito. CombatIQmatters wrote: Deidara's explosion style? sasuke survived that fight because he could A: see the bombs due to sharingan, and B it just so happened that his go- to technique countered the bombs. Sasuke showed competency in that fight, but when you factor in his visual prowess and an elemental advantage doing most of the work in retrospect, it wasn't as impressive. His Sharingan allowed him to see what was infront of him, it was his own to understand what it was, the Sharingan is only good as much as it's user. Sasuke analysed Diedera's explossions, that in truth wasn't that simple to figure out. In the end he made two plans to counter Diedera, while the other was oblivious to it. CombatIQmatters wrote: Obito hasn't had much opportunity to show off intelligence of analyzing a new jutsu, because madara gifted him with knowledge on many already. so he already had prior knowledge So that would be an excuse by Obito, huh?

CombatIQmatters wrote: But a comparable feat again is Fuu and Torune. He masterfully caused friendly fire against a tag team duo who rather quickly analyzed his technique and came up with a good plan to counter it. He literally just did what he always did, be intangible when they try to hit him. Anyone in the freaking series could have done that with his Sharingan. Like anyone.

CombatIQmatters wrote: His other intelligence feats are things like playing the dumb and innocent "tobi". He decieved his organization and made Pain the puppet leader. And organization is hard to kill if you don't know who the real head is. The way he orchestrated Nagato and sasuke's descent into the darkness was also a big plus too. He used two very emotional guys over what he knew about their lives. And yet he failed both times in controlling both of them. And he was oblivious to the fact that he too was stringed to a similar plot.

CombatIQmatters wrote: Obito also knew his own capabilites better. Sasuke charged into the 5 kage summit without doing any kind of recon in the event he had to fight all the kages at once. Obito retreated from the 5 kages and instead went to go increase his strength first by getting rinnegan, and in fact sent sasuke there to simply test out sasuke's abilities. Sasuke hasn't shown anything comparable to this. Sasuke and team were going for an ambush, they obviously weren't attacking straight on, until someone blew out their location.

And then we see how he made the worst decision in his life/plan for Tsukuyomi. Bringing all the five Villages together to just get the two tailed beasts was not at all bright. He made opposing forces into allies. Making them all fight against him. And what army did he had while announcing war? Kisame, him and Sasuke? Against 80,000 Shinobi? Two Jinchuriki, Five Kages?

Sasuke absorbed Orochimaru, a guy who people thought couldn't be dead, teamed up three shinobi that will assist him in his missions. Each of them were loyal to his word, which both Madara and Obito for as comrades. He made counter plans for everything he knew about Itachi, even making him use his own jutsu for Kirin, that it outsmarting Itachi., Until he showed Susanoo for the first time. He tricked a couple of experienced shinobi while in an intense battle, figuring out their jutsu, and countering it off, without any cheap tricks for that matter. And many other things I didn't mention.

This is all I can say for now. I respect your opinion, but I'll side with mine.