Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-26005711-20151025144506

BakumatsuWarrior wrote: Perfect Susanoo is made of pure chakra. I highly doubt chakra can be sealed by the Sword of Totsuka into an "eternal, blissful genjutsu". How the hell will PS fall for a genjutsu when PS isn't a sentient being with consciousness? So no, Itachi doesn't beat EMS Madara. "It is an ethereal weapon with an enchanted blade capable of sealing anything it pierces"(http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sword_of_Totsuka). BakumatsuWarrior wrote: Yeah initially I thought Jiraiya would win too, since I recall how exhausted Itachi was after using Tsukuyomi on Part 1 Kakashi for just 3 seconds. But this is healthy Itachi. He'll still suffer enormous stress from using a single MS jutsu (as we saw from Sasuke, who was healthy yet suffered incredibly for using MS jutsus).

But the thing is Itachi is quick and smart. SM Jiraiya can match Itachi with speed and can even react properly against MS techniques, thanks to SM's incredible sensory capabilities. But in order to do that, Jiraiya would have to go to SM first. We all saw in Jiraiya vs. Pain that Jiraiya needs some time to go into Sage Mode. So he needs a place where he can hide and evade Itachi long enough to go into SM. In the case of the fight against Pain, Jiraiya hid and evaded Pain inside the intricate network of pipes that ran throughout Amegakure. He'll need a similar place to hide against Itachi. If it isn't there, he'll have to create conditions where he can hide. If he can't do that, sooner or later Itachi strikes with his genjutsu arsenal or MS techniques and Jiraiya will be dead.

It's the same case with Ma and Pa's sound genjutsu. They both need to sing in sync with each other, which can take some time. That puts them on a disadvantage, as the singing can alert Itachi to Jiraiya's location if he's hiding. Also, the moment Itachi hears them sing, he'll immediately contemplate the possibility that Jiraiya is trying to use a sound genjutsu, and so he'll take appropriate countermeasures if the sound fails to put him under a genjutsu.

In a nutshell, it's Jiraiya who actually seems to have limited options, not Itachi. Itachi can beat pre-SM Jiraiya with Tsukuyomi. But if he uses Tsukuyomi on SM Jiraiya, Ma and Pa will attack him. Jiraiya is fast enough to dodge Amaterasu, and if Itachi uses Susanoo Jiraiya will use sound genjutsu (SM Jiraiya is much faster than Susanoo and he can dodge Sword of Totsuka). Itachi can try to attack Ma and Pa to stop the genjutsu. If he can stop the genjutsu Ma and Pa won't be able to repeat this genjutsu. Really interesting battle.