Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33229263-20171019104931/@comment-6769189-20171023224501

@killman: When did Sasuke have nature energy?? You mean the curse mark thing? That was a cheat. He was subtisuting his own chakra for preformed Sage chakra. Its almost like Oochimaru was a psuedo-Bijuu, using that process instead of Sasuke being feeling, absorbing, and merging natural energy with his own chakra.

TSB are a 6PS technique but have shown to only be avaliable when cloaked an special chakra. Bijuu/Juubi for Hagoromo and Tenseigan Chakra mode for Hamura. Remember that the the Juubi manifests Madaras cloak and it is initially ethereal, like Narutos chakra cloak, before it solidified. The cloaked forms themselves are not the Sage Mode. The physical buffs, understanding of living things, and the ability to use all the nature releases is what 6PS is. In a sense, Hagoromo took a shortcut to the cloak by absorbing the Juubi. Hamura unlocked his cloak naturally, or at least we can assume he did because he wasn't stated to have any external enhancements.

Ashura is not likely to to be using Bijuudama because he wasnt a jinchuriki. Headcanon here: the 6PS allowed Ashura to understand how Susanoo worked and he applied the same cancepts/mechanics to himself and his avatar was the result, and that outer manifestation of pure chakra+SPS brought out the TSB.

Ultimadude: those are highly unlikely to be TSB's. If they had TSB they would have a minimum of 9 each and it makes no sense to form 1 staff out of all of them and use normal swords in combat.