Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-5936871-20160126112547/@comment-5936871-20160126231848

Thekillman wrote: Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: There is more evidence pointing towards the Rinnegan being unaffected by visual genjutsu as opposed to it being affected. The whole immunity thing comes from a faulty translation. Given what we know of Sharingan, it would be pretty strong against Genjutsu, but strong is not the same as immune.

The Sharingan counteracting Tsukuyomi resulted in not one "sharingan = immune to genjutsu" clain, why would the Rinnegan counteracting IT lead to a similar argument?

There's not a single time that a living Genjutsu specialist went up against a living Rinnegan user. Edo Tensei has a bunch of exceptions to a bunch of rules, so it doesn't count.

It also changes nothing. Itachi doesn't really have the necessary techniques to hurt Nagato, especially when using Six Paths of Pain. Genjutsu affects the Paths but not Nagato directly, allowing Nagato to fight Itachi without risk of Tsukuyome. He can then use the bird to keep his own body safe, and should Itachi try to kill the bird, there are always other paths to save it, e.g. Preta countering Amaterasu. Because the Infinite Tsukuyomi is the most powerful genjutsu in the entire series and it's only known counter is the Rinnegan. Kakashi may not be a genjutsu specialist, but he can cast some pretty crippling and debilitating genjutsu with his Sharingan that would have been very useful against Pain during their battle in Konoha. Same thing when Itachi briefly fought Nagato alongside Naruto and Killer B. Itachi can cast genjutsu with a point of his finger, why didn't he bother on Nagato? It just doesn't make any sense that they didn't use such useful techniques when they could've when they were in a dire situation. Also, your point doesn't make much sense because the Tsukuyomi is still a Sharingan genjutsu so obviously the Sharingan has the ability to counter or resist it's own techniques depending on the circumstance. Nothing except for the Rinnegan could counter the Infinite Tsukuyomi, which is a Rinne Sharingan genjutsu that can ensnare the entire world. So the Rinnegan can counter that, but it can't counter any genjutsu of a tremendously lower caliber from a much weaker dojutsu? What? It really doesn't make any sense at all and there is nothing that supports the claim that it would work.

@MIGShinobi It's like you almost entirely ignored my entire argument as you barely addressed anything I said and you provided no evidence for all of the things you've said about the nigh-featless Yata Mirror, and I even explained how even if it was invincible it is not omnidirectional and even if genjutsu did work Itachi would have to make eye contact with Nagato first. Nagato is an incredibly powerful and skilled sensor-type with extended fields of vision through all of his summons, so even if tsukuyomi did work the chances of Itachi being able to use it when Nagato can fly on top of using his summons makes tsukuyomi a very low factor in this fight. Itachi's intelligence is irrelevant, has he has no way of harming or even getting close to Nagato without being severely injured or dying in the process himself. Itachi is also a mostly stationary fighter who relies on genjutsu, his taijutsu and physical prowess is not that impressive to give him an advantage over Nagato especially when he has additional limbs that can all use multiple deadly jutsu at once.

If Nagato uses chibaku tensei Itachi is finished, he literally has no way of countering it on his own. It took Itachi, Naruto, and Killer B's combined efforts to destroy a premature chibaku tensei core. There is no way Itachi could destroy it on his own, if he could do it himself so easily himself why ask for their help? He cannot beat him.