Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-34194151-20181007011947

Fair enough. I argued itachi is faster than each of them in every way if that is what you are referring to mostly based on speed feats and scaling. But I can address that more after this TB discussion.

1)See that's actually a well thought out counter-argument by you. I have considered that point of view, but the timing is off. My point about the question mark is the platform of my argument, but it's support is the speed of human speech and the timing. Orochimaru was in the middle of a sentence and before he could utter his final word, "you" he got blitzed, is surprised, and then finishes his sentence. the middle panel is connected to the first row of panels by the dash mark linking "defeat" and you". I would agree with the possibility you mentioned if it wasn't clear that those panels had an extremely small amount of time difference. Itachi only needs one second to land that blade. one second is a long time in the naruto world only when dealing with speedsters like minato and raikage and above, who have the nerve transmision and the speed necessary to react to and avoid that blade. But even people like kakashi and chouza thought that the 5 second cool down between deva path's shinra tensei was almost unexploitable, just to scale the blade a little.

2) why does the shared vision matter so much? the shared vision simply gives nagato better field of vision than most ninja, even byakugan users, but that doesn't suddenly mean that without the shared vision he can't see attacks right in front of him. There isn't a silhouette yes, but my point is that we have seen him reacting to attacks coming out of smokescreens before many times. naruto vs pain. Chapter 441 pg 16-17, chapter 433 13-14. All examples of him reacting to attacks coming out of smokescreens sufficient he can see it coming out of the smokescreen. The reason that it's still a speed feat is that he can still see the blade coming out of the smoke. sure, the smoke has an effect, but not anymore than the effect it had on the rasenshurikens. Why? because nagato couldn't see through the smoke naruto created either. he didn't see naruto using the transformation justu, nor did he see the naruto clone jumping above the smoke on chapter 433 pg 13-17, and was tricked by it, but that has nothing to do with the fact he could react to the rasenshuriken with preta barrier in the first place. The fact that nagato can react to rasenshurikens coming out of smokescreens but couldn't do so with the totsuka blade clearly shows the blade's speed in my current opinion. Speed feats and reaction feats are also situational because of distance. If the target is far enough away then they can avoid the attack too. but nagato is a good distance away from that smokescreen itachi used. And this is me giving as much advantages to nagato too. There isn't even enough information to say that by the time itachi launched that blade, there was still smoke obscuring nagato's vision. In the following panels we can see that smokescreen was clearing at some unknown rate, but unfortunately, kishimoto limits us to nagato's face in two of the panels. So, I'm just gonna say that the smokescreen was always there until after nagato got stabbed to give him the benefit of the doubt, and even in that event, I think my point about the rasenshurikens still stands.