Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150518115443/@comment-25093611-20150617173537

Nara4234 wrote: Jiraiya was still feeling the effects of being drugged when he fought orochimaru. Also orochimaru needed kabuto to be able to summon manda. Like someone previously stated, either it ends in a draw or jiraiya wins after a intense battle kabutos help didnt increase oros strength but decreased it, without kabuto a no-hand-oro would have been done...

@supersayan

oro never tried to kill naruto, or did he look like he was seriously going all out, and this without his best point:ninjutsus (whch require in their most forms handseals), btw, where does it say that jiraya didnt use sage mode?

and: current oro wins against all kinds of jirayas, with or without sage mode, he has woos release and a lot of other jutsu, plus he can heal all damage done by jiraya with a single jutsu...

i dont see him winninhg ^_^