Talk:Dance of the Shikigami

I would like to raise to point that the kanji is wrong for mai (as in Dance) it should be 舞 not 術（jutsu) --うちわファン (talk) 08:20, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Rank?
How do we know what rank it is? Its seems that it should be higher. --Hasofcd (talk) 00:17, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * It was taken from the Third Databook, page 264. Why should it be higher, if I may ask? B-rank is jōnin-level. --ShounenSuki (talk 00:40, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well if the databook says it.But since you asked, I was just considering the ridiculous amount of versatility she has with her jutsu with suffocation, butterflies, paper planes, weapons, and the amount of paper she can make, coupled with paper restoration if she's hurt in this mode. Add the Akatsuki factor and I just thought it should be higher than jonin level, but oh well. --Hasofcd (talk) 02:43, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ranks aren't just about power and versatility, but about difficulty as well. Sure, the technique is incredibly versatile. but maybe it isn't that difficult to use and it certainly isn't all that powerful. --ShounenSuki (talk 08:05, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Please, this isn't a forum, let's not get into opinions of Konan's power. The rank is the rank, let's move on. --Hasofcd (talk) 18:42, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

dance of the shikigami
i would rank it s-rank for her being a s-rank ninja


 * Regardless, the databook evidently lists it as a B-rank jutsu. We don't get to decide what Kishimoto decrees here, our duty is to just compile it together into an encyclopedia. Teamrocketspy621 (talk) 02:25, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

sorry about that your right

Chapter 509
Is the huge paper parting of seas she made in 509 this or should we make a separate article for it? I can't help to think this will be given its entry when the next databook comes out. Or if we're lucky, in the next chapter. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:07, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd question Kishimoto's sanity if he didn't name it next chapter. ~SnapperTo 00:13, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * On a related note, should her "paper tree/hideout" be counted as a separate technique as well? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:57, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, the whole tree thing just seemed like a simple a mimicry of the environment (but then again there is the whole color aspect to be disclosed). Perhaps an image of it in her article instead? --Cerez365 (talk) 01:25, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * How 'bout Paper Treehouse and Drowning in Paperwork no Jutsu ;) Arrancar79 (talk) 01:31, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Weakness
Just to clarify, she is limited to the amount of paper she can make from her body (Paper Ocean, no idea what that means, perhaps we just say 'generally?'), and cannot exceed it? So after a point she will not be able use this technique if enough is destroyed? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 17:33, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * No idea. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:38, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I got the idea from how weak she seems with so little a body, and from how she needs a certain amount of paper to do stuff (like Kimimaro's comments about Gaara when he thought Gaara was limited to the amount of sand he had in his gourd. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 04:54, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I always thought of it as being based on the Transformation Technique, which also explained Paper Ocean for me. --GoDai (talk) 07:19, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Transforming pieces of yourself at a time, fascinating. Off hand I cannot refute that, and I guess a part of the body would still answer the brain. This would mean that she would indeed be limited to the amount of paper she had in an even more drastic way too. If you mean the Paper Ocean was transformed from afar, there is "potential" precedent with Hanzō's Exploding Tag Technique (we do not exactly know if he made the tags or if it was a preset trap. Did I get what you mean right? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 08:15, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

3rd databook
this is related to a discussion on the paper angel of god tech page, but what exactly does it say about this tech in the 3rd databook and what pic is used? Is it the pic where she was turning into butterflies or was it another pic like the one where she was the half-angel with paper wings? I'm just curious if it gave a good description of this tech, or it's being based on the pic alone. I know it's listed down in the reference section, but that reference that I saw isn't used in the actual text, so that leads me to believe there wasn't much of a description 98.71.122.74 (talk) 21:49, April 26, 2011 (UTC)miah

More about this Jutsu from chapter 509
1. '''The core of the paper mass-- her torso and head that never completely turns into paper except for travelling --are vulnerable. ''' Rationale: Madara patiently waited for the intact portion of her body (torso and head) to close in before he attempted to absorb her, which in turn required madara to become tangible. And during the absorption process, the intact portion of her body was at the center of the spiral. Thereby, that part of her was the main target. Finally, after Madara tried and failed to absorb her, he pointed out that she would have died if he had continued the attack.

2. The papers are expendable and not actually part of her body, and how much she can make depends entirely on her chakra reserve.

Rationale: The "person/messenger of god jutsu" showed the limit of papers she can make, which is a lot. Don't mistake it with the 600 billion explosive tags. Before the attack, all her body was in paper form except for her upper torso and head. During the attack, almost all the paper was consumed in the inferno. After the attack, she was back to good old flesh and blood. And also she could barely keep up any substantial mass of papers due to the chakra drain of that attack.

SUMMARY: Konan's papers(including converted body parts) are expendable, and how much she can expend depends on her chakra reserve. The jutsu allows her to temporarily make parts of her body invincible to attacks by converting them to paper. However, her torso and head when not completely dispersed into paper remain vulnerable.--
 * And here ladies and gentlemen lies the secret behind ending world hunger! What was the point of this bud?--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 11:27, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Entire body into paper
I did a thorough search to find any if it was explicitly shown that Konan can convert her entire body into paper and yes she can.

In the first instance this was shown (chapter 371), when she announced jiraiya's presence to deva path, it was clear whether that was her clone or not. Especially since pein ordered her to kill jiriayi, if she can, before he arrives, while simultaneously telling the "konan" that brought the message to lead him to Jiraiya. That implied that the konan that brought the message was most likely a paper clone. So this instance is not valid enough to make any conclusions.

The next instance (chapter 430) was after pein used the gaint shinra tensei on konoha. out of anxiety, konan declared that she will be coming in person to look after Nagato; no more paper clones. Then her entire body dispersed into paper. This was it. The evidence I was looking for.


 * I'll just use this section to answer your prior post as well. The paper's volume and expendability can be seen throughout her use of the technique and as for her upper half never turning into paper completely: it has so you can't say it hasn't after providing evidence against your own statement and it'd be kinda dumb to draw a character fighting while looking like a bunch of paper planes. Please also remember to sign your posts with four ~ --Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 11:33, August 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't get you. You just agreed above that they are expendable. And as for not turning her entire body into paper, that was not the message i intended. sorry on my part. The intended message is that the part of her that doesn't completely turn into paper is vulnerable to attacks, whereas her body parts that is completely dispersed into paper are invincible to attack since her papers are expendable. of course, how much she can expend is limited by her chakra as we saw after she used Kami no Shisha no Jutsu. And I also pointed out that she can turn all her body into paper, which I believe is important enough to be noted--Newestman (talk) 21:00, August 11, 2011 (UTC)