Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34436445-20180604184258/@comment-34194151-20180710234028

@Legion of Zero

Madara can react based on his feats. We have seen him reacting to characters faster than him multiple times, like KCM Naruto who is faster than the Raikage who is faster than Madara. Tobirama was the fastest shinobi of his time but he had no chance in hell defeating EMS Madara. Speed isn't everything.

Hashirama outsmarted Madara because like I said, people sleep on the fact that both of these guys were combat geniuses. Before they had their respective hax, they were genius enough to take on Adult Senjus and Adult Uchihas (madara and hashirama respectively) as KIDS. That means their rate of growth and experience gain trumped ADULTS. Hashirama was known to be proficient in bunshin feints, just like Naruto, kakashi etc. They aren't just powerful brutes they have combat experience and genius too. They might generally be direct and up front fighters but they clearly have finesse. Even Madara sneaked in a bunshin feint against the 5 kages and caught them off guard. You're comparing apples and oranges. Hashirama is in Madara's league in terms of experience and is overall superior, so it makes sense he can catch him off guard, not Minato. The problem with facing someone significantly more experienced than you is that you not only have to outsmart them, you have to outsmart everyone they have ever fought combined.

As I said before, Minato fought in a World War. But Madara fought in THE WORLD WAR, where the average life span of the adult was no more than 30. He has been fighting since he was a kid in the most brutal era. Madara has seen more battle meaning he has seen more tactics in play. Madara was also established as a combat genius, so he learned more from each battle than the average ninja. Minato was a prodigy as well, but Madara's extra time in battle gives him the edge. All of the experience matters. It's that experience that gives him the edge in taijutsu/bukinjutsu. His experience seeing Tobirama using the FTG, even if it is only the surface of what Minato can do, matters. Sannin being surpassed by their 16/17 year old students is a bit complicated, but alot of that has to do with the fact that they surpassed them in physical stats/ basic skills. Like Naruto is better at Sage mode than Jiriaiya, and is stronger, faster, and has more stamina. Naruto also gained tons of quality experience fighting high level opponents and winning. It's debatable if he surpassed Jiriaiya in experience, but he might be close, and the fact that all his physical stats surpassed Jiriaiya's seals the deal. In the Case of Madara, its simply that his quantity of general experience along is extremely overwhelming, not even the Sannin have comparable battle experience to h Madara and  Hashirama.

See that's the problem, teleportation hax is hard to counter, but Minato isn't infallible, and hard to hit doesn't= impossible. There are openings everytime he teleports in and out, and all you need is a properly TIMED attack. As Connor Mcgregor said, timing beats speed. Obito cut off Minato's arm before he could teleport away to safety. We have only seen Minato in 4 non-fodder fights in the canon. Minato vs 14 year old OBito, Minato won, but even in that fight Obito tagged Minato with his chain, BEFORE he could teleport. Minato vs Ayy and Killer Bee. We have seen part of one fight but the fight never went to completion. Then the only other fights were admittedly with God level opponents, but as you can clearly see, this a very small sample size and it doesn't equate to meaning that ONLY god level opponents can injure Minato in battle.

@ Arturia. Minato does have a better Body flicker ( base movement speed) technique than Tobirama, Minato showed it when he was the first person to reach the battlefield in the Great Ninja War. Body Flicker is not the same thing as FTG. Minato is faster than Tobirama in base speed and as you said is more skilled in The use of FTG.