Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36006024-20180926134241/@comment-31099706-20181025122309

Ninja Of War wrote: @Blaze

To be honest, I'm not as interested in this debate, simply because it's been a week since your last response. I made a mistake in saying "@combat made most of the points I wanted to say", simply because it leaves the door open for you to twist statements. So, with that in mind let me address what you stated. I actually didn't want to reply after a week, but I got free time for it, and didn't have anything else to do at that time. Even I lost interest in this debate.

But how am I twisting statements? You didn't state much and you agreed to whateved @Combat said. I simply showed the flaws in it.

Right back at you, you completely ignored the context, motivations and abilities of Bee at the moment of the fight with Taka. Context: Bee was cooped up in the village and wanted to leave to learn enka. Motivations: Bee did not have killing intent, he was indifferent to taka, and even attempted to leave the fight before karin sensed him. Abilities: I don't even know why I have to say this, but it is clear that Bee can make tentacle substitutions by himself. So saying he needs Sasuke to do it is not true. You're mistakened there. Bee had all the killing intent in the world, he literally tried killing Taka four times. His first attempt to escape was him understanding that Taka isn't that easy, since he couldn't kill them in his first attempts.

Then he transformed into Gyuki to end them. It was only during the moment he got caught that he saw an opening to fake his death and leave.

And when have I denied Gyuki's substitution jutsu? I have only denied the logic of how accurately he predicted the tentecle will be cut by Sasuke and how it lasted long.

And no, as I've stated many times before. If B simply did an substitution out of nowhere, Taka will notice it. It isn't out of Sasuke's mind of someone trying to escape Amaterasu, since he did it too.

False, since as I mentioned above, he tried to leave the fight before that. Please provide proof that his motivation changed at that point, since you are so sure. I've provided mine. As I proved above.

Except Taka, didn't capture Bee, they were fooled with a tentacle substitution, why do you continue to play that off as something impressive for taka? I never said Taka captured B, just that was ths point of their mission. Taka survived againt a perfect Jinchuriki, unprepared as you would say, without intel and without full recovery of their strongest man.

Yes, the whole point of the mission for taka was to capture Bee alive, did you forget lol? Bee is a jinchuriki. 4 on 1 against Bee and you cite that taka was unprepared? Well, that is their fault not Bee's. It is not Bee's advantage that Taka was unprepared, it was taka shooting themselves in the foot. Once again, your argument falls apart for that because Bee was also unprepared, and outnumbered. One would assume Obito, would give hints to his own fellow Uchiha Sharingan user on how B would be immune to Genjutsu. Obito, nor Kisame were given intel, that's Akatsuki's fault, or you can fashionably call it plot.

Taka consisted of three fighters not four. B was a perfect jinchuriki, making him a perfect team of two. He had all the assets from Gyuki, Sasuke had with Taka, but more. Healing, superior to Karin's. Power, superior to both Suigetsu's and Jugo's. I don't know if you count a titanic monster as one man, but I'll count it as one

It was indeed B's advantage that Taka knew nothing about him, while the Sharingan is famous. Are you literally avoiding how the fight went?

It actually goes in Bee's favor since he did all that without intel (for four members of Taka), that is impressive. He didn't need any intel on them. Everything they did was basic. He lived enough to know all that.

Lol, I'll say it again, Bee tried to leave once, but was sensed by Karin. His motive was to escape and learn enka. He achieved the outcome he wanted. Lol, citing Madara and Hashirama now? (Sigh), you really trying every trick in the book. Yes Hashirama won, and Madara lost, but Madara didn't achieve the desired outcome. He wanted to beat Hashirama, but obviously failed. Lol, so B wanted to escape by thrusting swords into Sasuke? Ripping his body with his lariet? Or killing all of them with a Tailed Beast Ball. Sure, B wasn't trying to kill them at all….

Madara actually did. He wanted Hashi's cells to gain Rinnegen. And he did so and isn't Hashi and Madara from the same show or are they from a whole different universe? B at first tried to kill Taka. And Taka survived. B finally decided to escape after getting hit by Amaterasu. It's funny how you don't notice that.

Bee had no such desires, and it's laughable that you tried to compare the two instances. Huh? Desires? I'm talking about intent, B was a killer, he started trying to kill Taka from the get go itself, while Taka tried to capture him alive.

Hahahahaha.

Wow. When have I denied that Bee escaped lol? Now I am convinced that you don't want to have a real debate, resorting to such false accusations. Lack of intel? That argument favors Bee not Sasuke. Logic is not on your side, and definitely not the manga. As @Combat says, I accept your concession. You have failed to provide a statement of mine that is incorrect, with a manga chapter that states the truth.

So, yes you are projecting your actions on me, and immature for doing so. Lmao. You're been resorting to headcanons, false accusations, straw grasping arguments and going against the manga and logic. And you picture me as the on doing that?

Either you stand on the side of the manga or you against it, you can't be on both sides at the same time. Taka had no intel, wasn't recovered, had no killing intent. B admitted to Sasuke being the toughest guy he fought so far and reasoned it to using his Tailed Beast. You guys are going so far against the manga and logic here.

And it's interesting that you're actually being immature here and falsely calling me on it. I've stated every point you guys brought, it is you all that are avoiding it for obvious reasons. So here's what I'll say for you, I accept your concession. You are using simple nos and insults instead of actually trying counter my points. And have so far failed entirely in this debate and is using immature acts in desperate hopes of 'debating', no offence. But this isn't how you should be in a debate. Atleast try to give a counter, I regard @Combat for doing so atleast, even how long the post would be.