Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180205153025/@comment-26107879-20180209200538

@Ninja of War

"Itachi said that Bee shouldn't look directly into his eyes, for further combat. Gyuki broke him out. Itachi's help wasn't needed. So yeah, my point does stand firm." How does this prove Bee and Gyuki together know when they are in Genjutsu? Itachi and Bee make eye contact and Bee got caught in Genjutsu. Bee gets behind Itachi and uses tentacle to catch him. Itachi then disperses into crows revealing Bee is in a Genjutsu. Bee states "Illusion". Itachi warns Bee. Gyuki nags Bee. Gyuki frees Bee. This basically says from the moment eye contact was made to when Bee states "Illusion" Bee and Gyuki had no idea they were in a Genjutsu. So how does that prove they can detect Genjutsu? Just so you know, my argument was never about Bee and Gyuki not being able to break out of Genjutsu, I actually agreed up above that they could. My argument is they won't know they're in one.

"Sharingan can see through genjutsu, it's one of it's base abilities. MS more so. It's unlikely anyone with an MS is gonna be caught by regular sharingan genjutsu." Uhh no it doesn't. Sure at one point in the story that was said, but not anymore. That was changed even in the Databook, it's now to discern Chakra. The reason being too many Genjutsu have worked on Sharingan users without them knowing. They can, with enough skill discern when they're in Genjutsu, sure. But Menma? No LOL. Not someone who has never used it before. Especially against Itachi's who has fooled many Sharingan users. But even if he did have the skill to detect when he is in Genjutsu, scroll down to my scenario.

"What genjutsu did Obito use to control Yagura? And how does Itachi know this genjutsu?" Maybe the only Genjutsu Obito is listed in having (Minus Izanagi and Infinite Tsukyomi for obvious reasons)? Sharingan: Genjutsu. Itachi is listed a user, so ask the Databook, Manga, and Kishimoto.

"Scenario continues: Itachi faces off against Menma and the nine masked beasts." Why does Menma have them out? Did you give him prep time now? You must really want him to win, lol. You also neglected to answer my scenario and completely ignored it, thus meaning Menma gets stabbed in the neck and dies, until you give a counter as to how Menma detects Genjutsu, breaks it, detects Itachi, and reacts before Itachi who was a few feet away from him, stabs him in the throat. Itachi is shown to be insanely fast so do not underestimate his speed. He was shown to be able to move faster than most Jonin could follow.

"P.S. I have answered your question in the text above, however I see you are ignoring the fact that Menma has unrestricted access to black Kurama's chakra, why is that?" You didn't answer all my questions. Also, I didn't disagree with it so I didn't address it, never stated Menma couldn't use Kurama's Chakra. Still doesn't matter. Menma still has to discern, break, and react. Sharingan doesn't break you out of Genjutsu. Only can discern it.

P.s. You still have yet to prove Menma has the knowledge on how to use a Mangekyo Sharingan. It took Kakashi a decade before he was able to use his Mangekyo despite having it unlocked already. You also have yet to prove Menma can utilize it more sufficient than a Genin Sasuke Uchiha.