Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-35806245-20180607100011/@comment-33286580-20180611130656

It&#039;s Not Johnny wrote: @Nashikeine You mentioned EMS Madara and said Kushina and Mito could pressure him with the Nine Tails "EMS Madara can be countered by the likes Kushina or Mito if they use full power of Kyubi and Rinnegan Nagato. and Naruto can utterly destory him if he goes full power and beyond."

didnt i say that i said that it was a speculation at the very end where in all the shinobi were with their ultimate buffs.

It&#039;s Not Johnny wrote:

You mentioned Naruto and Sasuke's fight in VOTE "Naruto and Sasuke can be considered equals, but with Senjutsu buff to his ultimate form the Asura Mode Sasuke doesnt stand a chance. Sasuke only was on par because he absorbed the chakra of all the biju."

Maybe, especailly if we consider Sasuke only had the EMS for a day. He probably could have done it with more training.

first of all Sasuke was never said to have mastered any Rinnegan Six Paths abilities other than absorbing chakra.

let's say he does master them, then what? where will he get the power to go heads against Senjutsu boosted Asura Mode final attack. it took the chakra of all the Biju to tie with Naruto and even than Naruto still had no desire to kill him.

Sasuke had already recieved the boost by getting Rinnegan. it was only a matter of mastering the Six Paths abilities, but none of the abilities other than Preta Path are of any use here. without the boost from the Biju even the destructive powers of Deva Path would fail to tie up with Asura-SM combo.

It&#039;s Not Johnny wrote:

True, but would Hashirama DNA enhance his Fire Style? I don't really think so. I could see it enhancing Taijutsu, but would it enhance Genjutsu?

Obito's chakra was enhaced. more chakra more powerful ninjutsu you can use and the more power you can use in it.

It&#039;s Not Johnny wrote:

I'm pretty sure the novels are canon, though. And Kakashi is an S Rank Ninja. Also, we never learned about Jiraiya or Minatos' parents, so it isn't a fair comparison. We do know Kakashi's dad was Sakumo Hatake, and (in the Anime) it was stated his name outshined the Legendary Sannin, but I guess it's not canon.

Kakashi was not an S-rank in part 1 and it was from the start he had a nickname. even his growth in Part 2 and Kamui he still could not match up with Kage level shinobi or Akatsuki members. only the bs powerup in war made him close to matching the power of the Kage.

Sakumo Hatake was part of the manga too and the guidebooks. so cannon.

Novels are not cannons. Cannon is manga and the guidebooks he specifically wrote.

It&#039;s Not Johnny wrote: Not necessarily. It's possible they had fewer members but they were a lot stronger than average ninja. But, I'd agree that there probably would be a lot more Uzumaki if (when the clan is extinct) there are still 3 or 4 alive uzumakis. However, you have to remember that Kotoamatsukami controls people without them realizing it. Uzumakis don't have Byakugan. Ao only figured out Mifune was being controlled since he had byakugan.

I am not saying that the Uchiha clan members are not stronger than your average shinobi, i am saying so in regards to other clans who to have their specialities which they honed over years and passed down the knowledge.

didnt i say that all you have to do is know your clan member to guess the Shisui SGenjutsu. it gives them suggestion to do things they dont usually do. once you recognize that than the genjutsu is easily breakable.

It&#039;s Not Johnny wrote:

Yes, but does Karin have any feats of using Adamantine Chains or healing of that level after this scenario? I don't think so.

that was the end of the series. from there on it was only team 7 and Obito. Karin also had a small cameo in Boruto. she isnt coming back to showcase her new found powers, just like every other shinobi.

example= Kiba and three headed dog, Shino and giant insects, Hinata and her eight trigrams and lion fist combo, the trio combo of Ino-shika-cho and so and so forth.