Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26388300-20160301040622/@comment-142748-20160320075102

Except that madara wasn't holding back, it was stated multiple times that even with kabuto's perfection, edo tensi are still weaker than their real life self. Hashriama even said " madara is back to his original strength" once he was revived. Obviously, if hashriama was also brought back to life he would continue to dominate. Yeha, Madara was holding back. At any time, he could have immobilized Hashirama and took his Sage chakra. And no, he wouldn't have, Hashirama has no answer for Limbo at all. You keep exaggerating him.

Like I said, madada effectively distracted naruto and sasuke and complete d his goal. Oh yea? So how does a person who isn't immortal survive bisection with ease? Naruto and sasuke needed the seals if they wanted to take him down and they couldn't even stop him from casting tsyukyomi. They tried to seal him but he stopped it with limbo substitution. The entire battle showed Madara hat a severe disadvantage against Naruto and Sasuke. They overwhelmed him at SEVERAL points. They cut in him half and effortlessly dealt with his best jutsus. You downplay them like they weren't making a scratch and then go 'lol he's immortal' when that was never proven, it was an empty boast from Madara. <div class = "quote" Naruto and sasuke were no where near the equals of hashriama and madada pre hag gift. Sasuke was casually rekt by a blind madara. And sasuke and naruto individually stood no chance against any jubbi Jin either. Madara was the better of them and waa about to kill them if not for zetsu. And against kaguya it was a 4 on 1 fight. They were. They had reached Hashirama and Madara's level. Naruto's feats against Juubi Jin Obito, despite being weaker than him, were better than Hashirama could do and his strength was boosted by combining his tailed beast and Sage Mode states. Sasuke achieved Complete Body - Susanoo, the same power that Madara achieved and could shape it around Naruto's Biju Sage Mode. Both showed they were at the level of their predecessors.

You like to downplay, but its the truth. Yea due to hag gift sasuke has the strength to beat hashriama but hashirama still has massive power of his own. And no I call plot when it clearly was plot that allowee their survival. No, you call it plot since you hate the fact your favorite characters were surpassed. Naruto and Sasuke would have gotten far stronger than Hashirama and Madara even without Hagoromo due to one simple fact: the manga is named Naruto and Naruto and Sasuke are the main characters. Oh and its shown that within the manga, if a character masters a power, its there's. Its not borrowed or anything, its there's.

You don't really debate well and you ignore and downplay feats. Since if you acknowledged them, you'd be forced to concede.