Forum:Solution Time: Images

Ok now I'm pissed. This is going to go on forever and will not end. I will start simply purging articles where there are image disputes (both past and present) if I must for us to get this shit down. I'm tired, you are tired. Everyone is tired. Nobody wants to compromise, this has been going on in the same dance for months.

We are going to solve this so both sides legitimately agree on. Not some grudgingly accepting of one side as "the best choice" no we did that before and we're still going through this. We are going to stop moving and pick a way that will solve everyone.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 14:02, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * With that said...what are you proposing? You could've at least given us options... --Cerez™☺ 14:04, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've had my solution and have been proposing it for months. Tabbing system or a dual images in the infobox. Both of which I lack the know-how to do unfortunately.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 14:07, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to point it out, but i recall that for some reason are the tabbing system not really working on this wikia(the dual images in the jutsu infoboxes). --Gojita (talk) 14:10, March 31, 2011 (UTC)Gojita


 * Then we figure out how to make it work or we figure some other solution because our current situation ain't workin.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 14:11, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * I support you TU3!!!! Dual images in the infobox is a good system and actually it will satisfy both sides of discussion!!!! The smaller images (usually the anime ones) on top and manga ones on bottom! (just saying) ... and if this can't happen! Well, as i said with Roshi! "Roshi's anime image is good, it only shows one side of his face! On the other hand the manga pic shows a 3/4 of his face! So may be the anime one could replace the other one in his appereance section!! The manga pic should stay on the infobox!" Fu's and Yagura's pics are really good!!!! No differences for me!!! Put those images in their infobox and the manga pics in the appereance section since they show more their bodies... i think! --Kiba91 (talk) 14:12, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

I suppose I'll say my piece then I absolutely hate image stacking in the infoboxes. That said I have no problem with either type of image but I do have a preference for manga images when usable (even though we don't get cheques >_>) As long as the anime image is an accurate depiction of the manga character (ie no major deviations from Kishimoto's work). It won't kill us to have variety on here. --Cerez™☺ 14:12, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * but now that you are talking about stacking images... the difference you are talking from Kishimoto's work and anime's work are in a majority about the eyes... referring to Konan's color eyes... while someone stacks her images... what happen to Kurotsuchi's and and Hanzo's pics? They differ only because of the color! C's manga pic was left because of the form of the eyes!... so what are the "facts" that everyone is considering to left the manga pic instead of the anime pic? --Kiba91 (talk) 14:18, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ehh, the reason for hanzo's image is because while there is no differences between the irishes the eye itself is white in the anime, whille in the manga it is black like kakuzu's. On to the main subject. The problem appears to be that some users think we should use absolut accuracy and can't ignore small details, like colour variation. --Gojita (talk) 14:21, March 31, 2011 (UTC)Gojita


 * Stacking is a crude method that can potentially be refined. It's an option, one I'm willing to take. However, this is not a discussion on the differences between the two images, this is a discussion on how to use both of them.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 14:23, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

The it's simple. We're supposed to aim for accuracy. And this is pretty much what we're doing now...
 * Manga image used first anime image used later when animated.
 * If there's a coloured manga image then it's moved to the "appearance" section once there is no discrepancy with the anime image.
 * If there are, then the revere is done. --Cerez™☺ 14:30, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * i gave that just as an exemple! We're trying to reach a solution for this eternal battle from Anime and Manga pics! I never said to ignore details! (Just what happen to Ko's case!that's smth where the manga pic should have totally preference) But color eyes i think is just a detail! as you said... a small one!... anywho, i support TU3's option of dual images. Or at least we need to solve what will happen to the jinchurikis and the bijus! --Kiba91 (talk) 14:27, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, trying not to be rude here. But i believe you orignally wanted to discuss the dispute about which image to choose and then in your next comment suggested that we somehow use both. Thus i conclude the tophic is how to settle the dispute, not how to use both. I say this because in this discussion and the previous one, we already agreed on the fact that stacking is something most of us dislike. Once again, sorry i am not trying to be rude. --Gojita (talk) 14:31, March 31, 2011 (UTC)Gojita


 * you're not being rude!!! but the stacking image is a solution to satisfie everyone in here! I'm just supporting TU3 suggestion! that's all --Kiba91 (talk) 14:34, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

It was for this reason I told Ulti-chan to give the discussion guidelines....--Cerez™☺ 14:35, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Eh... a little bit of tophic, but seeing how this affect the entire wikia and seeing how vast amount of contibutors we have, i would like to suggest that we somehow advertise this tophic other places on the wikia in the hopes that more poeple would voice thier opinion. --Gojita (talk) 14:38, March 31, 2011 (UTC)Gojita


 * Unless I typed it wrong, the solution I outlined was indeed ment to use both which would settle the dispute. As I originally said, this discussion is not about choosing one or the other  Ah that is where I said it. I didn't post it here apparently. When I said that will serve everyone, that is exactly what I ment. One side wants to use manga no matter what. Use manga no matter what. The other wants to use anime, thats fine we're going to use that too. Don't apologize, you just pointed out that I didn't say everything I ment in one place.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 14:39, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, I would prefer if others at the very least tried to come up with wildly different solutions or something, so this is less of a "TU3 trying to shoehorn a massive change to the Wiki" and more of a "The community has decided they want to end this war" type of deal.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 14:41, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, we could simply use whichever one is the most high quality.

Or, we could use the manga image in the infobox and have the anime picture in the appearance section.Ryne 91 (talk) 14:43, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * @Gojita: I've been trying to edit the News Bar for months. But I get the feeling I'm not a high enough admin to edit it.
 * @Ryne: That is what we are already doing. This is the result.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 14:45, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * @Gojita: If it isn't completely obvious, I'm a complete noob with Wikia code.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 14:47, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Another solution as pointed out by Cerez™ is that we stop this(i can't put it more delicate due to my own opinions and how far this have come) crusade against images that are not complete and perfect copies of Kishi's work and i am going to be verry blunt now. I am not that much better myself, but currently we only have a few users who staunchly removes all anime images when there is the slightest difference while most of the community adds the animated versions when they arrive. I mean look at the upload logs everytime a new episode airs. Look at how everyone gladly adds images of the raikage, even though his hair is not as bleached as Kishimoto's one single colour drawing of him. And the same with Fu and Torune, despite the fact that Fu's nose is not the correct size and Torun'es hair looks different. And i can go on(thank god i am not using my voice for this, or i would have a sour throat by now) and i am sorry for voicing my opinion this way, but it is one the last methods i have yet to use --Gojita (talk) 14:55, March 31, 2011 (UTC)Gojita


 * Yes, give into your anger. It makes you stronger. Dark Side, Dark Side, Daaaaaaaark Siiiiiiiiiiide. /Palpatine....couldn't resist. (SWTOR is going to pwn so hard)
 * That said, yes I am aware that there is gap between who prefer manga images over anime images is large. Thankfully this isn't a democracy, so the majority rule doesn't apply here. Both sides (usually) have good, reasonable reasons as to why their image should be used. Which is why this discussion can even take place.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 14:58, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * To be honest, I completely prefer the anime over the manga, in terms of pictures. Most of them seem to be highter quality to me. As you said, we are not trying to come to a grudging agreement though. We're trying to solve this is one shot.Ryne 91 (talk) 15:01, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Come on we do not need dual images in the infobox.We can have the anime image in the infobox and the manga image in the appearance section of a character page.--Shinobi Master (talk) 15:26, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nice to see that there is also room for humor TU3 :D Now back on tophic. Might i remind people that part of this dispute is also due to the current image rules on this wikia(if i remember correctly they were never changed, right???) To be honest, yes my argument does imply that the majority rules and that we are a democracy, though i tried to lean the argument more towards, "that is how it has always been done on this wikia" and in most discussions about this most people lean towards it, but we are sadly still unable to reach an agreement :(. --Gojita (talk) 15:59, March 31, 2011 (UTC)Gojita


 * That is true. We've always have been doing it that way. We have also been dealing with the whole manga vs anime issue, just not as heated. 3 years ago, it more little more than "We prefer manga images" or some such, people would complain, and then that would be the end of it so we never had to sit down and actually discuss things. Now three years later, it is much more heated and here we are.
 * @Shinobi Master:We don't need to have images in the infobox period to be honest. However I doubt people would like that very much.
 * Also, I have class soon and will be in class until 7ish (my day is quite busy) so when I stop posting, I'll be in class.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 16:05, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * @TheUltimate3, we probably don't need infoboxes but people do prefer them as well as the images.I would just like to stat they are just images not a big deal.If there is a minor difference between the characters appearance in the manga or anime it can be easily noted in the article.We do not need dual images.--Shinobi Master (talk) 16:14, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

It would seem that we are reaching a conclusion(seemingly in favour of using anime images withouth considering the smaller differences) but ShounenSuki have yet to be heard. --Gojita (talk) 16:44, March 31, 2011 (UTC)Gojita