Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-29965012-20161221160302/@comment-26537507-20170116174914

Lorenzo VonMT wrote: Jiraiya wasn't in sage mode and orochimaru was getting his ass handed to him by 4 tails naruto, he even lost an arm while fighting 3 tails naruto. That's a lousy excuse, almost dying is a good enough reason to use your strongest techniques and forms. Plus as far as I know the fight wasn't shown, so we can't confirm if he used SM or not. Oro had limited jutsu, couldn't form handsigns, and his body was rejecting him. He also wasn't trying to attack for the most part, he was seeing what Naruto could do. He was at a much bigger disadvantage the entire fight. If he was in Jiraiya's condition he would have happily continued. If the roles were reversed, there's no question that Jiraiya would be dead. Remind me, who was it that left that fight with a scar and a story about the second time he almost died? Does Jiraiya have an attack stronger than a TBB? I think not.