Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-26107879-20160122220122

@Ninja of War

Sigh… Since you seem not to get it, saying I make up my facts and miss the points I make, let me literally clarify everything I say even though I couldn’t have said it as clear as I did.

1) Since you don’t seem to understand my point and are stating it like I said Jiraiya can’t summon different types of toads, I will make this clear. When attempting to summon the Toad Sages, Jiraiya can ONLY summon one giant toad. If he could summon more, please provide a reference or a Manga chapter where it states this.  Jiraiya only used 1 summoning to protect himself from a /Rinnegan/ user this is fact because he does not have the reserves to fight, multiple summon gigantic toads, and the Sage toads. If any other toad can help him besides these giant toads at the time during the Pein assault, please provide one.  The fact Jiraiya himself stated he had to “go all out from the start” at the beginning of the Pein fight proves this.

2) Sound Genjutsu is Genjutsu (Chakra which Itachi’s Sharingan can see) Infused sound which is spread at sound based speed. The way Itachi’s reflection works is that, the user must see the Genjutsu with their Sharingan to understand the fundamentals then reflect it back at the opponent. If you don’t understand that much, then explaining further would be a waste of time.

3) You’re really being annoying when in fact, Jiraiya states it’s going to take a while before he can summon them to Gamaken and that he cannot remove his hands that are clapped together. That being said, I will humor you since you still need a better understanding because it seems things don’t go through to you. It takes an episode’s length meaning from the episode he clapped his hands together, to the next when they are summoned. This also excludes battles that weren’t seen in which Gamaken stated. This is when they hid for a decent amount of time. So way more than fifteen minutes. There is an exact time. With that being said, Jiraiya won’t be able to seal Amaterasu while he is attempting to summon the Great Sages because the sealing technique requires hand signs, hand signs he cannot do. Also Amaterasu is pretty instant as long as the user can maintain eye focus on the target. Jiraiya is not as fast as A in Lightning Armor plus Body Flicker, and it took this combination to dodge it, what makes you think Jiraiya or the Giant toad that he chooses to summon without sage can do it? Or perform a fire technique in time? Also I do not make assumptions, you on the other hand stating it doesn’t take a lot of time to perform the summoning of the Toad Sages is a major assumption that cannot be proven.

4) The fact Obito was able to control tailed beast when he is not of itachi’s caliber in Genjutsu clearly shows that Itachi can control a giant toad. Chiyo said Genjutsu itself can be combated with multiple targets, and that it requires contact between the two people by pouring their chakra into one another to disrupt the flow of chakra to break the Genjutsu. However how will Jiraiya deal with an instant Amaterasu flame and Genjutsu at the same time? Both are fast and instant, to cast Genjutsu all Itachi has to do is point his finger and bam. Even when people try not looking in his eyes he traps them in Genjutsu. With that being said, unless Jiraiya drains himself of Chakra and uses his hands to stop Amaterasu to seal it away, then starting over once again and continuing doing so, would just drain him of Chakra so that he cannot summon the Toad Sages. Also just because someone uses a tool once in a series does not mean they can use it continuously. The fact is Jiraiyas page does not have him having the Sealing scroll as a tool, with that being said on this wiki based on that logic he does not have that. That would be like saying Naruto still has the scroll to summon his Shadow Clones who collect Sage energy from the Toad mountain always on him.

5) I think you do need to provide your intel since you just threw a fit about assumptions while you are making one lol. Contradiction much?

I am pretty reasonable, when facts are provided. I am also no fan boy to Itachi. He isn’t even in the top ten of my favorite characters. While Jiraiya is in my top 3. I even tried to defend Jiraiya against Nagato an even bigger stronger threat previously on another thread. That was me fan boying. However, this is not, this is me accepting facts. Itachi is too op for Jiraiya. Also I state Itachi does not need Ms to win because his Genjutsu is enough. With his Genjutsu abilities I can see him trapping multiple enemies in Genjutsu and this is possible especially when the enemies are slow because of the giant toads speed.