Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-35155071-20180330190048/@comment-6769189-20180413090807

The manga also stated that a split second would decide the battle. A split second opening Minato used FTG to create because without Minato couldnt move around Obito for to get around Obito's defences on pure speed. If Minato was as fast as you say, he wouldnt have gotten cought. Twice. Minato also teleported and attacked at the same time there are no motion lines to indicate he swung his arm. Hard to react to a hit you cant see coming. Even harder to react to a hit you dont know is coming. Borderline impossible to react to a hit that lands in virtually 0 seconds. Instantanious teleportation=/=speed. Without instant teleportation Minato wouldnt have had an opening.

Part 1 VOTE1 fight Sasuke can read Naruto's movements but cant read the arms of his cloak. This was drawn into the manga. (Idk why you bring this up because even if you were right, this would show the chakra arms moving faster than Naruto and that would make Obito faster than something that is faster than Naruto himself, but as evidenced by the manga, they are equal) As shown in the fight vs Lee, even if the Sharingan user cant react to their opponants speed, the Sharingan can still read the movement.

Gyuki was no longer in motion. He impacted on the ground. He had come to a stop. You can see in the panel where Obito is still far away that he has motion lines but Obito and Gyuki didnt. Naruto couldnt move because the 5 tails immobilized him with with that heavy coral looking stuff. I was saying nothing stopped him from making more chakra arms or using the one he had to defend himself.

Pm and ill sens you a link showing that Obito touched Torune. Even though Obito touched him Torune was still responsible for doing the actual poisoning.

I didnt catch that he was already swinging so you got me there.

Prior to coming to Naruto's aid Kakashi had only used Raikiri with Zabuza and he coordinated with his squad to restrain him so he could get a clear hit.

Not literally running. Look at the panel after he jumps out of the ground and you can see their motion lines as Naruto attempts to get away and every step of the way they are equadistant right up to Naruto and Obito themselves and Naruto hasnt put any distance between them. In 628 we have a similar visual where they traveled the same distance in a panel.

Shadow clones divide the amount of chakra but not the effects of the chakra.

3rdRai isnt as fast as someone like the 4th. After dodging Naruto's initial Rasenshuriken, Naruto's mini flashback wasnt even to 4thRai's full speed attack. Narutob ALSO stated he knew his attack from the front wouldnt work and he was going to try to sneak him from behind. He also wasnt blind. He was still looking out of one. Naruto yelling to Dodai also tipped him off then he should be watching his back which is why he dodged the next attack. He was already on the look out for an attack coming from behind Dodai, a borderline irrelevant character was casting jutsus and pulling switcharoos while 3rdRai was mid-punch. Also, what happened to the "he used it from far away so it is easier to dodge" excuse?

Obito has dodged a chakra arm point blank. I dont see the comparison here.

If you pay attention to what is drawn then characters dont have to say everything all the time.

No Lone, you just ignore the parts i have shown you where Obito dodges stuff straight from Naruto himself.

Obito has dodged stuff from Naruto that wasnt thrown and without Kamui but for some reason that is invalid to you. Even if Naruto cant move he can create like, 6 chakra arms to defend himself but Obito got to him before that could happend. He chased Naruto through the rubble with no Kamui and Naruto could put any distance between them and the manga shows them traveling the same distamce in the same time span when Obito tried to sneak up on him in 628. Obito repositioning his chains is not a throwing feat either