Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26822192-20200512085001/@comment-43403813-20200530234644

UltimaDude wrote: Halcyonite wrote: Just saw this now.

Naruto relying on Kurama for power parallels what Ashura did. He relied on others to boost his strength, whilst Indra got powerful on his own.

You're taking it too literally. Ashura willingly got help from the villagers of the town he saved from the Divine Tree. Do you think Itachi offered Sasuke his eyeballs? No, Sasuke just took them for himself. He didn't receive the "help" from Itachi that you're thinking of. It's obviously been portrayed that the Ashura reincarnates seek cooperation for strength, whilst the Indra reincarnates seek power for strength. It's also why you constantly see visuals of Naruto with his friends stood next to him, and Sasuke on his own. You don't see Naruto surrounded by corpses, Hinata lying on the floor with her eyes gone, and Naruto possessing the Byakugan. It was always about that cooperation that made the Ashura reincarnates inherently powerful.

Same goes for Hashirama and Madara. Hashirama created a village and everyone loved and supported him with it. Madara was shunned by the Uchiha clan into isolation, and he actively sought power to realise his plans. You get what I mean. Stop pyramid quoting, it's not that hard

Now to the topic at hand: You are grasping at straws in trying to form a parallel here. Asura working with others and training allowed him to awaken his own powers. This is not at all similar to Naruto gaining 90% of his powers from Kurama and constantly using him in battle.

What am I taking too literally? You implied that simply being a reincarnate means that said individual is a chakra-monster. I provided examples that debunks this notion. and now you're bringing up examples that have nothing to do with the claim. Asura helping out the villagers is non-canon. I never said that Sasuke got help, I said that he used someone else's power to strengthen his power. The philosophies of the reincarnates is completely irrelevant to the argument of the inherent power of the reincarnates.

It was never shown or stated that Hashirama worked with others to become as powerful as he did, so there goes your "cooperation is what makes Asura reincarnates inherently powerful" claim.

I'm not sure why you've turned this into a hostile argument now.

How did Naruto gain 90% of his power from Kurama? By befriending and cooperating with him.

Read my posts again, I never said ALL reincarnates were chakra-monsters. I simply said that there is nothing suggesting that they were weak, which is what others had tried to imply. I only said that Indra and Ashura would have been chakra-monsters, and they are. They are direct children of Hagoromo, who's mother was Kaguya. Kaguya had literally ALL chakra, so they would have vast chakra reserves as a result of this.

I don't think its me "grasping at straws", it's just a miscommunication on both of us. I probably could have explained what I meant better, but you didn't have to get all passive-aggressive.