Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180122204034/@comment-7292165-20180128184220

@Ninja of War

Shikamaru had no counter to the lightning mask though. He was on the run. In fact, him and Choji would have died had Kakashi not intervened and countered the lightning blast with his Lightning Cutter. Gamariki like the other toads, don't have what it takes to take down the masks, especially their combination attacks.

Kakuzu's taijutsu is not impressive? He gained the upperhand in his fight against Kakashi, an impressive taijutsu user himself. Watch the fight again. Deidara basically ran the whole time against Guy. His speed and reaction could be comparable though. He even dodged Sasuke's high speed blitz, so we know he's fast.

You are not understanding. What I meant by balanced is having high skills in genjutsu (his admission) and taijutsu (Practically featless) like Kakashi does. I only mentioned this because you are doubting that Choji is physically stronger than Jiraiya, despite Jiraiya having no feats to compare. You said the same thing about taijutsu, despite him showing nothing comparable to Kakuzu. You also are the one downplaying Kakuzu's strength when in his Earth Grudge Mode, despite him being able to break through giant steel doors with a barrier placed on it. You downplay his durability, despite surviving being crushed by the Two-Tails with no visible injuries. Do you really think that Jiraiya's Needle Jizo is going to protect him? Do you really think that his Hair Senbon is going to penetrate him. The exact opposite will happen. They'll bounce right off like nothing.

Your stating what I already stated. I know he is mostly a ninjutsu user, but it doesn't matter because Kakuzu has what it takes to counter anything he throws at him and even overpower them with combination attacks. Jiraiya also got snuck on by the Asura Path despite being in Sage Mode. So it's likely. Shikamaru just barely dodged his attack and it's obvious that Kakuzu wasn't going his full speed. Unless you are saying Shikamaru is faster than Kakashi?

I already explained in my previous fights how it would go. I never said Jiraiya will lose, but that in order to win, he'll need Sage Mode. I'm stating facts and basing my opinion to the best of my degree. I'm not hyping or downplaying anyone. I like both of the characters.