Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36528625-20180810001142/@comment-34194151-20180811011812

@LegionZero,

well lets put that to the test. naruto already defeated Nagato from a strategic perspective when he fought Pain when he had full knowledge on his side. Most of his kills against the pains were through outsmarting nagato. He has full intel he could summon his frogs again to counter his summons. ma knows about the chameleon. Chakra arms counter shinra tensei and bansho tenin like they already did a few times in the manga. Multiple rasenshurikens can most certaintly stop chibaku tensei.

Bee can't beat nagato by himself but with naruto together they can take him. He got washed easily due to lack of intel with naruto filling him in it would have been different.

How does nagato counter a non PIS naruto who has shown the ability to use strategies such as using shadow-shuriken jutsu on rasenshurikens? he throws multiples with chakra arms, nagato uses shinra tensei, then there rasenshurikens in their shadow as 5 second cool down begins Nagato is forced to try and absorb them, but what do you know? they were all transformation jutsu. sage mode naruto clones appear and use frog kata punches that should be able to obliterate nagato, even in ashura form. And there is even things like food cart destroyer that naruto has been shown to use. If naruto has outsmarted him in the past, what suddenly has changed?

While nagato is on a completely different level than the pains, war-arc kcm naruto is on a different level compared to the naruto that fought the pains.

If naruto used shadow clones against nagato after he was caught the clones would kill the chameleon and then one could use sage mode frog kata to free naruto from nagato's grip. naruto basically was caught by a sleight of hand trick, he hadn't seen the summon before nor did he see the human path before. but naruto without PIS and the circumstances of having already used kage bunshin would have done much better, especially if he made the clone that beat the third raikage.