Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180624145734/@comment-33959444-20180626231412

@Nashikeine Yes, but as I said earlier, Yomotsu Hirasaka working differently is a big deal because it is a multiple-step pattern, unlike Kamui. Another thing is that Yomotsu Hirasaka itself doesn't bring people to a different dimension. Kaguya drags people through the portal. Kamui does that automatically.

It wasn't with ease. Even though he avoided the portal (from a NON Rikudou enhanced 14 year old Obito), he still stated that the fight would boil down to the last split second. Also, Minato possessed his own Space-Time Ninjutsu that works with literal teleportation, not just high speed movement. As far as I'm aware, Naruto does not possess any teleportation.

All that was stated was that it was the origin of all Space-Time Ninjutsu, yet Kamui still managed to pose a great threat to Kaguya. In fact, Kamui was the only reason Sasuke was saved from Kaguya's dimension. So no, there isn't a huge gap.

True, but I'm only using that feat to prove that Kamui is not a whole lot weaker than Yomotsu Hirasaka if it was capable of canceling it.

When Naruto and Sasuke were taken to the iceberg in the ice dimension, Sasuke used Amaterasu and Flame Control consecutively really fast. Maybe not at the same time, but still really fast. Kakashi displayed he was capable of staying inside a Perfect Susano'o and still turn intangible with Kamui. Therefore, he was using two MS abilities at the same time (Kamui and Susano'o). Later on, Kakashi also passes through Kaguya's Ash-Bone and at the same moment, created a Kamui Raikiri. There, he was using both Kamuis. Left eye in order to enhance Raikiri with Kamui. Right eye in order to turn intangible.

"Otherwise, Kakashi would have used it against Kaguya." Kishimoto has a tendency to nerf people who are too overpowered. That's the reason why no Rinnegan user other than Nagato was shown to use all Six Paths Techniques. It's because it'd be too overpowered. For example, picture a Juubito who can not only revert attacks to nothing with Gudo Dama, but also repel and absorb them. He'd be nigh invincible.

Actually, I'm not talking about that moment. I'm talking about the moment in Chapter 689 pages 11-12. Kaguya, right after producing the Expansive Truthseeker Orb, goes for Kakashi's Susano'o with an Ash-Bone. Kakashi reacts and responds by blitzing her with Kamui raikiri. During that moment, Black Zetsu specifically stated Kaguya's power and speed were far greater than before. This is proven true by how this Kaguya evaded an attack from both Naruto and Sasuke at the same time, hinting Kakashi was easily on their same league in speed, if not, slightly faster.

Wrong. Minato dodged it with teleportation and reaction time. Not speed.

Lol I'm not comparing Naruto's full speed to TSO. I'm just saying that even with only 1 MS and while near his deathbed and while struggling to fend off Black Zetsu, Obito could still Kamui away Ssakur abefore Madara's attack hit her.

Um... Why does it matter if the Kamui Shuriken come with the susano'o or if Kakashi created them with the left eye? It doesn't matter.

Considering unstable Kaguya was hit by them, I'm pretty sure they have a good shot at warping away Naruto. Especially combined with Kakashi's genius.

Where is it stated or shown Yomotsu Hirasaka is faster than Kamui? Being a highe level technique doesn't make it faster.

Kamui feats: 1. Okay. 2. I don't get what you're saying. Are you agreeing Kamui is faster than 8 Gate Guy or not? 3. It is a speed feats. Obito needs to intentionally prolong the duration of Kamui so that Rinnegan Sasuke can get close enough in range to use Ameno.

And yes, that's one main weakness. The intangibility isn't forever.This isn't that bad though because the Kamui's time limit is 5 sseconds if usedconsecutively. Kakashi's stamia and Chakra are the main issues. That's what I think is a big advantage for Naruto. Just as a reminder for where I stand, I'm only saying Kakashi might have a chance. I'm not saying he's winning.

He can attack while intangible by using the other MS at the same time.

Kakashi's PS is also enhanced by Rikudou Chakra though. It's actually enhanced by Rikudou AND SPSM Chakra which Obito absorbed from Juubidara. Other than that, I agree Sasuke is an original owner of the dojutsu and is an Uchiha and has a Rinnegan.

How are Naruto and Sasuke more haxed out than Kakashi?

Those aren't haxes though. They are more of power feats.