Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-1872728-20151008094957/@comment-26773508-20151011062451

Thekillman wrote: Naruto's healing with Kurama was easily on par with hashirama's healing. A wound to his hand healed in seconds. No it wasn't "on par" with Hashirama's healing. A small wound on his hand still took some time to heal. Hashi on the other hand can heal from life-threatening injuries in seconds. Narutard could do that only with help from the Kyuubi. Hashirama could do much better on his own.

Thekillman wrote: hashirama's strength is Wood Release, and only Wood Release. Well you just forgot about the immense healing power of Hashirama that you were discussing only a few lines above, not to forget chakra levels higher than full Kurama. Also, Hashi has easy access to Sage Mode, while Naruto pre-Kurama Mode and Hagoromo Upgrades needed shadow clones to maintain Sage mode, that too for only 5 minutes. And we know what difference such a limited Sage Mode made in his battle against Pain. Also, Kabuto's SM made him OP as fuck. Hashi effortlessly using SM is one of the reasons why he was OP. So no, he had many other strengths apart from Wood Release.

Thekillman wrote: Secondly, his healing is so immensely strong because he's also a Senju, of which the Uzumaki are essentially a watered down version. That and his Transmigrancy (body of a sage) makes him essentially immortal to physical attacks. Yeah, the Uzumaki were so watered down that one of them could use Madara's Rinnegan right from childhood, and later on went on to possess godlike strength from those borrowed eyes, in sharp contrast to

1) Kakashi whose body suffered enormous strain from ONE ordinary sharingan

2) Obito who couldn't handle both the Rinnegans, despite being an Uchiha with more than half of his body consisting of Hashi cells.

Also, another Uzumaki could fully subdue full, undivided Kurama with her chakra chains, in spite of her being extremely exhausted and on her death throes. Meanwhile her son (also an Uzumaki) can't do jack shit without Kurama.

So it's quite clear that the Uzumaki aren't all that watered-down. Only two of them are watered down. One is an annoying brat who can't do anything significant without the help of a demon fox. The other is a dumbass bitch who swoons over a coldblooded douchebag who tried to kill her.

And so, it's clear that Hashirama>>>>>Naruto without Hagoromo/Kurama