Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-28614651-20200422182101/@comment-6769189-20200519081354

Babyfriend1 wrote:

Naruto doesn't know when madara will finish prepping and launch his jutsu. For all he knows, he doesn't have enough time to bail completely. So instead of trying he waits for it to come flying at his face?

Wait wait wait... you say Naruto didnt dodge the beam, but moved in response to the charge

But now you are saying he doesnt know when the attack is coming, so he waited for the launch. Which means he had to have dodged the beam itself.

Babyfriend1 wrote:

Are you saying that things that move too fast can't be sensed? That would be inconsistent with naruto dodging the beam as it was moving towards him and the staff taking no time to be destroyed. If it moved at light-speed unhindered then he couldn't have seen it so he would've had to sense it which is why one of those has to be untrue. No i said that they are moving too fast for the extrasensory abilities to give them an edge

Babyfriend1 wrote:

To be clear I interpret the panel as ambiguous. Even though your unproven claims about how naruto avoided the attack seem outlandish even for the narutoverse, I still acknowledge them as a possible interpretation. You interperet them as ambiguous because you dont understand them. The motion lines in the scene show us where all the motions started. The panel is drawn to show us that the launch, swing, and dodge happened in the same instant. The reason there are no panels showing us things like Naruto sensing an attack coming or the beam taking time to get through the staff is because they didn't happen.

When you look at what the art is showing, then it becomes fairly clear what is a possibility and what is not. The scenerio you propose literally requires more panels or more text to be eligible for consideration.

Babyfriend1 wrote:

All naruto knows is that something is coming. He has no idea what it is or what it does. Details like this can be unexpected and surprise him. Your point was that he can't be surprised if he could sense madara moving chakra in his body to do a jutsu but that's not true. The last panel shows him being suprised by a Limbo clone so him being aware of another attack coming is not validated by the manga

Babyfriend1 wrote:

If he's out of the way he's post-dodge. It doesn't matter whether he's still moving or not A dodge kinda keeps going until the movement is stopped, even if he is already out of the way and the motion lines on the left side of Naruto means that he is still in motion

Babyfriend1 wrote:

So when you assume that naruto's staff was destroyed instantly Im not assuming it, the manga is showing it

Babyfriend1 wrote:

that naruto could've prevented madara from launching his attack and that naruto would have chosen the course of action that would result in that it's completely fine That was all based on your unfounded assumption that he knew something was coming. It really sgows how many holes are in that theory.

Babyfriend1 wrote:

but when I offer alternate possibilities to show how him moving faster than light to avoid the beam is not the only explanation of how he could've dodged it, it's not acceptable? Not when those alt possibilities require many assumptions that are invalidated by the art

I could claim it is possible for Sasuke to have been doing backflips while Naruto was dealing with dodging the light fang but with no showings or statements there is nothing to support the claims legitimacy