Talk:Steel Release

Components
i think lightning and earth elements are components of steel release ,because stone(Earth) is a non-conductable material ,thought by fusing it with electricity(Lightning) it gaines extra electrons -like a natural conductor does - so it turns to  metal!!! or whatever ..... 93.109.21.198 (talk) 22:07, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * See my theories here. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:12, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't Kakuzu use this as well? --76.119.171.118 (talk) 21:47, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Kakuzu uses Earth Release: Earth Spear. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:49, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Mobility
When Hiruko uses the steel on his hand can he still move his fingures and stuff around while its still steel?--Black-Light (talk) 05:08, June 12, 2011 (UTC)Black-Light
 * His use of Steel Release is very fast, but if I recall, he doesn't move his fingers again until he deactivates the technique. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 05:22, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Combination
I think (if its possible) that steel release is a combination of earth and yin. Not to speculate much on it actually not being elemental but if anyone watches fullmetal alchemist you may remember greed manipulating carbon atoms to give a similar effect to this nature. Since steel is simply a compound of durable iron and carbon, its possible that he uses the carbon atoms in his body to create a super dense shield. This is just a speculation and if anyone else noticed, steel isnt actually black but carbon is.


 * That's a nice theory (and it makes pretty good sense) but we don't put speculation on the pages. If anything, you could put this theory on this page as he usually give good feedback. If you feel compelled to, you could also add it to this page as well. Joshbl56  10:01, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

water plus earth
in the case of concrete, water hardens earth right can it be put as presumed? Munchvtec (talk) 07:36, December 9, 2013 (UTC) munchvtec
 * Earth Release + Water Release = Wood Release.--LeafShinobi (talk) 19:08, December 9, 2013 (UTC)

Gaara Hiden
Seriously? Did Gaara Hiden seriously introduce Steel Release, they actually called whatever jutsu this? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:03, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * Umm, excitement or frustration Omnibender? and Yep! -- Questionaredude (talk) 01:13, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * Both. Do not have enough information to determine the ratio though. The fact twins have different kekkei genkai though. I really hope they're fraternal twins, but I have the feeling they end up being identical twins. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:21, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * To add to some frustration, none of his techniques were named, despite him using like 2-3 different technique >.> Expect some unnamed technique pages :(--Omojuze (talk) 07:25, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

I'd like to know if the wiki going to consider Steel release a part of the canon from this point on, due being in a novel, or...?--Tzao (talk) 10:45, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * No. • Seelentau 愛 議 10:47, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * The same as with Crystal Release, no? Norleon (talk) 10:54, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

Application
Considering the two versions of Steel Release we have now work differently, which one do we consider the main, "more canon" one, if any? This would change what we list in this article, and in the main nature transformation article. I'd pick the novel interpretation, since the novels, despite their mentions of movie stuff before, are more in line with what is established in the manga. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:10, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * Semi-canon novel > third grade canon movie. • Seelentau 愛 議 18:13, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * Really the only thing that needs changing is just stating that "Steel Release has the ability to create Steel (I assume from nothing)". Don't have to make the article more complicated than that.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 18:16, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

Enhanced Earth Release
The Gaara Hiden claims Metoro and Etoro's combination of Lava (Earth and Fire) and Steel was a Pseudo-Kekkei Tota. I think this is further evidence to say that Steel release is to Earth what Typhoon and Blaze is to Wind and Fire respectively: An enhanced form of Earth Release. Any thoughts? Shock Dragoon (talk) 19:19, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yet Hiruko (from the movie) quoted it to be a Kekkei Genkai. 0 evidence that Steel is related to Earth.--BerserkerPhantom (talk) 19:21, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * These two statements are not mutually exclusive. The Lava/Steel combination was said to be pseudo kekkei tota, that still works with Steel Release being kekkei genkai. I can sort of see SR being an enhanced ER, but the only known kekkei tota was a combination of three natures, so I'd argue that SR shares one element with LR. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:24, May 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought at first (Earth) but given what we've done with Blaze and Typhoon being "Enhanced" I think it could fit for this since we've seen ER be used to strengthen and weaken earth like steel. Figured it merit discussion when Typhoon could be WR + LR but we wen the "Enhanced route". Shock Dragoon (talk) 19:31, May 20, 2016 (UTC)

Pseudo Kekkei Tota
Since Gaara called the Twin Brothers Cooperation-Technique Pseudo-Kekkei Tota, wouldnt it mean there combined Kekkei Genkais would share one element?

Lava Release is a mixture of Fire and Earth, leaving only one missing Nature.

Fire + Lighting = ? Fire + Water = Boil Fire + Earth = Lava Fire + Wind = Scorch

Earth + Lightning = Explosion Earth + Water = Wood Earth + Fire = Lava Earth + Wind = Magnetism

So two question:

Are we gonna agree that the pseudo Kekkei Tota is a "mixture" of Earth, Fire and Lightning. Meaning our suggested Earth + Lightning is Steel rather than Explosion?

Leaving Explosion Release to be a mixture of Fire and Lightning. And Deidara uses his Earth Nature in his clay rather than directly in his kekkei genkai. And his Explosive Clay is Earth and Explosion based?--Keeptfighting (talk) 22:41, October 11, 2016 (UTC)
 * Manga > novel. • Seelentau 愛 議 00:29, October 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * Was it stated in the Manga to be Earth + Lightning? Said the Databook that Deidara or Gari only know these two basic natures? --Keeptfighting (talk) 09:54, October 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * No, but I'm not going to explain again why Explosion Release has to be made up of Earth Release. • Seelentau 愛 議 12:36, October 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you give me a link where you explained it?--Keeptfighting (talk) 23:05, October 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Should be somewhere in the archives of the Explosion Release talk page. It's basically "Sasuke countered Deidara's bombs with Raiton, because he knew Raiton is strong against Doton. Because it's the chakra that explodes (and not the clay), Doton has to be part of the Explosion Release chakra.". I mean, if the Raiton would counter the Doton in the clay itself (if there is any Doton there), the chakra itself would still explode, right? • Seelentau 愛 議 23:17, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

That and Gari does not use clay and can still make explosions using explosion release.. QuakingStar (talk) 00:28, October 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Steel Release is as Blaze release and Typhoon Release. S.R. is a variant of earth release. u.u Sharingan91 (talk) 05:52, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

But how is Sasukes Raiton defusing Deidaras Doton, if there isnt any Doton? A Kekkei Genkai is created by combining two natures into a NEW one. I agree on Raiton > Doton, but not on Raiton > Bakuton.

Because Gari is a close-range fighter, he just concentrate Chakra into his Palms and releases it on point to create Explosions. Deidara on the other hand is a long-range fighter. That was the reason to steal the Iwa-Kinjutsu in the first place. So he can create Clay he can store his Explsovie Chakra in and sent it to his foes. Meaning his Clay (Doton) surrounds his Bakuton resulting into the creation of explosive Clay (Bakuton + Doton). So by attacking the explosive Clay with Raiton, you destroy the Clay because Raiton > Doton. The explosive Chakra find its way to the surface and vanishes into thin air, since Deidara didnt gave the "command" to explode. I can't remember anyone trying to defuse the human-bomb Gari with Lightning.

Steel Release is said to be a Kekkei Genkai meaning its a combination from two natures. Blaze Release is a kekkei Genkai, because it is used through the Mangekyou. Its a difference..--Keeptfighting (talk) 14:32, October 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Combining two natures does not create an entirely new nature. Mokuton, Bakuton and the others are just the names for when you use two natures at the same time (and for the Kekkei Genkai that are needed to do so). Plus, Deidara's clay was always just called clay, not Earth Release or anything like that. Especially when he fought Gaara, he noticed how he didn't have much clay left. If it was just Doton, he could've just created more clay without worries. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:17, October 16, 2016 (UTC)