Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-1018594-20140908173055/@comment-25349026-20140910014721

Poopysauce wrote: Hiruzen and Orochimaru, there both insanely powerful but we barely know anything about there full abilities

I'll go with these

Hiruzen - summina batch used all 5 base elements (something no one except the god type characters have been shown to do) simultaniously with kagebunshin no less.

Orochimaru - Developed all sorts of crazy kinjutsu and was an overall bad ass that we never got to really see in a ridiculous show down like Jiraiya and Tsunade got in their respective fights with Pain and Madara.