Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-31099706-20170327120301/@comment-31099706-20170412043241

Yes, that's exactly the point, bro. Itachi while knowing that his brother could escape the normal Tsukuyomi he did on Kakashi and Sasuke, he didn't expect his brother to break from that.

And that is why he was also had a genuine shock on his face.

The Tsukuyomi he did on Kakashi would be like requesting Sasuke to break out of it seriously, I mean who wouldn't? as I said twice, there are two types of Genjutsu, the reality warping type where the user is in sometimes a whole new dimension in his mind or experiencing very pshycological cannot be real visions and the second one where the victim is experiencing things that are possible but aren't actually happening, this genjutsu cannit be easily recognized and so the user almost cannot figure it out but it can also be altered by genjutsu repelling powers like Sharingan. the first genjutsu can be easily recognized and can be broken out of it if the user has the necessary abilities. while the second genjutsu is hard to figure out, but if the user has the correct abilities(in this case the sharingan or more specifically a full tomoe Sharingan of Sasuke's) Then he/she can see through it and break out of it.

Genjutsu had always been breakeble and resisteble, no matter how powerful they were.

Even Infinite Tsukuyomi was both resisteble by Sasuke and breakable since he had the capability to free the victims of from it.

Shisui's genjustu technique is also kind of breakeble, actually just some pointing out that the victim is affect is enough.

and normal genjutsu, do I have to say it?

Itachi clearly did that kind of a Tsukuyomi so his brother couldn't figure it out and resist it. But in the end he did. and again that's why his face was shocked.

The highly wise BZ even said it possible. He did go like, NO!! that's not even remotely possible! instead he praised of Sasuke's mastery with the Sharingan and all. Note that even Orochimaru saw Sasuke having more powerful vision than Itachi's. And him being the reincarnation of Indra who actually first awakend it sums up pretty easily.

Literally, 4 geniuses said that it was possible and Sasuke's eyes being better than Itachi's.

Orochimaru, BZ,Kakashi and Itachi himself.

Also note that Itachi nor the truth filled Sasuke ever mentioned of the tsukuyomi being less than what it was.

Even then, the only thing you guys are going with is that the guy who claimed himself as Madara to Sasuke told him that Itachi was holding back alot(which could actually be a better way to decieve him, since Sasuke would be filled with guilt and thinking that his brother could kill him at everything they did in that battle would have reach him to a level where Obito can easily manipulate him)

Finally remember, When Sasuke countered Obito's statement about Itachi not actually wanting to kill Sasuke, with saying that he was trying real hard to almost kill him. with which Obito says that he wanted to extract Orochimaru out of him so he had to fight him seriously till Orochimaru was extracted out.

I think I'm close to winning this arguement. but I wonder what counters you all will say next. :) Yes, that's exactly the point, bro. Itachi while knowing that his brother could escape the normal Tsukuyomi he did on Kakashi and Sasuke, he didn't expect his brother to break from that.

And that is why he was also had a genuine shock on his face.

The Tsukuyomi he did on Kakashi would be like requesting Sasuke to break out of it seriously, I mean who wouldn't? as I said twice, there are two types of Genjutsu, the reality warping type where the user is in sometimes a whole new dimension in his mind or experiencing very pshycological cannot be real visions and the second one where the victim is experiencing things that are possible but aren't actually happening, this genjutsu cannit be easily recognized and so the user almost cannot figure it out but it can also be altered by genjutsu repelling powers like Sharingan. the first genjutsu can be easily recognized and can be broken out of it if the user has the necessary abilities. while the second genjutsu is hard to figure out, but if the user has the correct abilities(in this case the sharingan or more specifically a full tomoe Sharingan of Sasuke's) Then he/she can see through it and break out of it.

Genjutsu had always been breakeble and resisteble, no matter how powerful they were.

Even Infinite Tsukuyomi was both resisteble by Sasuke and breakable since he had the capability to free the victims of from it.

Shisui's genjustu technique is also kind of breakeble, actually just some pointing out that the victim is affect is enough.

and normal genjutsu, do I have to say it?

Itachi clearly did that kind of a Tsukuyomi so his brother couldn't figure it out and resist it. But in the end he did. and again that's why his face was shocked.

The highly wise BZ even said it possible. He did go like, NO!! that's not even remotely possible! instead he praised of Sasuke's mastery with the Sharingan and all. Note that even Orochimaru saw Sasuke having more powerful vision than Itachi's. And him being the reincarnation of Indra who actually first awakend it sums up pretty easily.

Literally, 4 geniuses said that it was possible and Sasuke's eyes being better than Itachi's.

Orochimaru, BZ,Kakashi and Itachi himself.

Also note that Itachi nor the truth filled Sasuke ever mentioned of the tsukuyomi being less than what it was.

Even then, the only thing you guys are going with is that the guy who claimed himself as Madara to Sasuke told him that Itachi was holding back alot(which could actually be a better way to decieve him, since Sasuke would be filled with guilt and thinking that his brother could kill him at everything they did in that battle would have reach him to a level where Obito can easily manipulate him)

Finally remember, When Sasuke countered Obito's statement about Itachi not actually wanting to kill Sasuke, with saying that he was trying real hard to almost kill him. with which Obito says that he wanted to extract Orochimaru out of him so he had to fight him seriously till Orochimaru was extracted out.

I think I'm close to winning this arguement. but I wonder what counters you all will say next. :)