Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34938099-20180730091858/@comment-33286580-20180830064840

To me Naruto wins this one...

- One of the many clones sent out on the battlefield in the War forced EMS Madara to use full body Susanoo (not PS) to block Naruto Ultra Big Ball Rasengan (not powered by SM)

- Kurama never lost a fight to Madara, no matter what you want to believe. Madara sunjugated Kurama by Genjutsu, a dues ex machina power of the MS that can control Kyubi... anyone could do that with MS apparently.

- with Naruto and Kurama Madara cannot cast Genjutsu on him and win, because Genjutsu doesnt work on Perfect Jinchuriki.

- In the very point mentioned at start, Madara had to use Rinnegan ability to take a SM Rasenshuriken. None of his EMS powers seemed like it could do for him. he can't simply use Katon against it, because Rasenshuriken would probably cut through it or absorb the flames and advance. the only option is Susanoo.

- Naruto's base mode Big Ball Rasenshuriken destroyed a couple of Hashirama's wood clones and neutralized Edo Rinnegan Madara (remember acquiring the Rinnegan itself boosts ones power tremendously as shown by Obito and Nagato), both having ability to absorb jutsu and the wood clones shown to restrain Madara's PS in his initial fight against Hashirama.

- Naruto in Kyubi CHakra Mode can make a more powerful version the Ultra Big Ball Rasenshuriken

- PS can cut mountains. so can TBB. a normal TBB from the lowest of Biju can destroy mountains. and Kurama could spam those. means multiple mountain destruction too. Half Kurama could match a fully charged TBB of six Bijuu.

- Naruto can slap away TBBs... moutain destroying weapons, so he so can handle the sword of Susanoo.

-Naruto with half Kurama stood and survived TBB of Juubi. nothing beats that. not even Madara and his PS.


 * Madara's PS feats is its sword can destroy moutains, but so can Kurama with TBBs.


 * Madara's Katon isnt going to do any real damage -- Naruto was saving the alliance from those by simply giving them chakra cloaks.


 * Genjutsu doesnt work on Perfect Jinchuriki

So Madara really has no overwhelming power over BM Naruto.

it will be tough, but a Naruto win nonetheless

EDIT...

BTW... Naruto in BM (with half Kurama) at this point was fighting Jubito on almost even grounds. You cannot be serious in saying that EMS Madara who was weaker than Hashirama can be stronger than Jubito. especially when Hashirama himself stated that Jubito was far above him

Further EDIT...

Madara during the war arc, Edo he may be, was far superior to his original EMS self before death.

he had Hashirama boob that increased his vitality and chakra to the next level as with every character getting Hashi implants.

he had awakened Rinnegan, which clearly specified in the manga boosts ones power tremendously.

the fact that he awakened Rinnegan which requires one to possess Rikudo's chakra means he awakened Rikudo Chakra within him.

he went from super ninja in his death to God like ninja in the war with all the buffs.

So EMS Madara feats in no way can be on the same scale as war arc Madara