Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-27429908-20160102030534/@comment-26403664-20160228045702

QuakingStar wrote: Ei is not as fast as real lightning. Zetsu explained the difference between ninja lightning and real lightning. Stop grasping at straws, Itachi is faster than Hashi and Madara. They have no good base speed feats at all. My only problem is that the closest speed feat Itachi has is keeping up with NTCM Naruto which Madara is also able to do. There isn't proof supporting who is faster Madara or Itachi or Hashirama. I would believe Hashirama in sage mode or Senjutsu enhanced Madara but it has been established that Madara needs to absorb Hashirama's chakra for that.

There is no proof that completely shows one side over the other so I would leave that at a draw. Even so the battle would be determined on ninjutsu as Hashirama and Madara are capable of avoiding Itachi's Tsukoyomi.

@Gdsenju Your first point can only be speculation and can't be proven. But possible. I disagree and think they would be even with Itachi as shown as Madara can REACT to Naruto in Kurama mode attacking him with a mini tailed beast ball. So that at least shows that Madara can counter oppenents that fast.

@Marc Zaddy Unfortunately no the sharingan can't track real lightning. The only reason Itachi survived Kirin is because of Susanoo and Susanoo is fast as shown when Madara's susanoo can react to A's speed. And Tailed Beast bombs aren't that fast however they are very fast projectile attacks, but they aren't as fast as you have stated.