Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36632842-20180818184904/@comment-31099706-20180918142608

LoneNinja wrote: @Blaze

My abc logic works. Why? Cause this is Chunin Exams Sasuke vs rescue arc Kiba. Who have they both fought? Sakon.

Gaara was definitely better. as if Sasuke can survive such a large quantity of sand. Your logic works because why? Because Kiba ran from Sakon and a hospitalized Sasuke got cornered by Sakon and his team? Where is that logic stemming from? Kiba managed to survive, while Sasuke didn't use his jutsus, Sharingan, weopens, and was already hospitalized. And you're forgetting the fact that Sasuke caught Sakon with strings, and in his Lion barrage. But it didn't lay effect because of Sakon's power.

Speed is a big factor, Gaara learned that lesson twice. Gaara's sand can't move in the same speed as Sasuke or Lee, and so, his sand becomes useless as should every other technique slower than his sand, like Kiba's Fang over Fang. And I'm not all surprised by you claiming that Gaara got better as a factor, while you ignore the negative factors like Sasuke being hospitalized, did not use any of his jutsu, was already fresh from a battle and was facing not just Sakon, but all five of them together. And here's another leak to your broken abc logic, Kiba survived against a Sakon who was already fresh from a battle against Jonins. Yeah, you need to think before you say something.

@Combat. What do you mean? Sakon got caught by Sasuke twice, even with his condition. And how do you know Sakon wasn't using his full power? He held back his CM, that's the only thing he held back. And no, don't think you can just go over and state things like this, and ask others to prove it. It's your own responsibility to prove how Kiba can be faster than Gaara's and and be able to react to Sasuke. This will be interesting.

Mind showing me where Gaara improved with his sand was mentioned. And do you read what you write? on one side, you're ignoring the fact that Sasuke was in a disadvantage, yet desperately cling to avoid it. In fact, neither of you so far has anything to say about the condition Sasuke was in. Ah, cherry picking is fun indeed!

Wow, for you, I guess outsmarting/tricking a character is equal to being stronger than them? Guess you consider Naruto and Sasuke to be stronger than Zabuza because they outsmarted him. Lol, so wasn't Sakon simply laughing over the decoy Kiba left being the same for Oro catching the shuriken in your logic? Oro got tricked, I hope you know what a 'Trick' means now.

So, hiding shurikens in fire isn't impressive, but hiding inside smoke is? Whoopty do to you too, lmao. By the logic of this series, the fire should have been enhanced by Zaku's winds. Instead, the wind was only strong enough to push the fire away, since he only expected fire in the first place, while the Shurikens were coming at him in a shocking speed he can't react to. And no, it is a clever trick, since Sasuke knew Zaku would go on to push back the fire, the shurikens caught him offguard.

And Itachi doing the same trick was as a momentem type of thing for the original. And Itachi, another genius doing it, makes the trick not clever? Like I said, that was a trick for someone like Zaku. For someone like Kiba, he can simply time his attack with his Sharingan and throw the shurikens Kiba would be shot at the same place he jumped to avoid. That's the sharingan for you Sasuke as from all the points I proved, is indeed clever. Showing cleverness in situations Kiba can't even think of So, Kiba's feat for smoke bombs outweight Sasuke's feats by your logic? He outsmarted Diedera. Susanoo was an out of nowhere factor. Like it was even more stupid that he didn't know about a legendary Uchiha technique and that everyone else knew about it and also knowing that Itachi had it. He originally possesed an escape plan that got used up with Diedera Using Manda to resummon himself in a serious situation. It was because of Diedera that he couldn't use it and resorted to using Oro in the end. I don't remember him wondering how he lost to Bee, but I must remind you, just because one guy can use seven swords together doesn't make him a better swordsman, or have the better chance in winning. As you can see, he is easily caught back Suigetsu's sword back from Bee without his Sharingan. And may I remind you that just like the subject situation we're talking about, this Sasuke was also not in his best condition, and again because of Itachi. As Jugo mentioned he didn't recover from his injuries from Itachi, and Sasuke admitting that he didn't expect such a battle.

You must remember that he was holding back too, their mission was to bring him back alive. And they can't simply bring him back without defeating him, unlike Itachi, he had to face B. and he was holding himself good, even with his condition. He caught B with his genjutsu when the chance was the best. What do you expect him to do against Gaara? Who has super strong and fast sand for defense and attack. Going for a trick is simply out of the question, especially since the Chunnin exams was done in an open area, with no tress around. Knocking Gaara down with superior speed is the finest way to do it. One must not always try to complicate things. Lee and Sasuke got Gaara because of only that. How should Sasuke use a technique he doesn't have? Instead, he uses substitution, which is a less expensive version of Shadow clone jutsu. Kakashi also uses genjutsu, and just like Kakashi, he uses it cleverly. His tricks worked against Diedera, Naruto, Danzo and many others. Yes he uses Genjutsu and rigged Shurikens. While Kiba uses smoke bombs, anything else? You're ignoring all these feats just like that lol It was basic plot that he didn't use genjutsu at the beginning in most fights. He never used it against Naruto. And in the Fight between him and Bee, it was obviously plot to make the fight look good. Since it wouldn't be a better scene if he used genjutsu on the start and it didn't work. Itachi was the only one he used genjutsu on the start with. Second would be Chino.

Wow, what a battle, what a battle. It almost looks like everything is working out for Kiba, or wait...

So here's how it should actually go, Battle starts, if both opponents have basic info about each other then it'll go as... Basing this fight, to make it fair, Kiba gets Sasuke doesn't just start with beating him down before he can do anything within the seconds of the fight.

Sasuke jumps and throws his Shurikens at Kiba. Kiba jumps to avoid it, naturally. Kiba decides to start his own attack and before he goes for a hand sign, Sasuke appears behind in a blur to what Kiba can vision. Kiba stands shocked for a second and before he can say anything, he gets kicked by Sasuke. Landing them to the far ground. Kiba uses this oppurtunity to use his smoke bombs and tries to set up traps. But before he lands his smoke bombs, he is surprised again by Sasuke using his Lions barrage and everything ends before it can. There can be different versions of this battle, but it all ends in with Kiba losing and this would be a long version of a fight....

And no, all decoys aren't the same as shadow clones. Shadow clones ration between equal amounts of chakra, allowing it to not be any different from the Original. Decoys are a whole different case.

MS Sasuke was heated with vengence and hatred, while Chunnin Sasuke wasn't. He acknowledged Naruto and warned Kiba that he shouldn't take anything lightly. Kiba knew about the power difference they had. It was pretty clear there. While Sasuke was in a bad mood, and couldn't do anything but fight on.

So basically, Sasuke stomps Kiba.