Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-3523655-20200724213127/@comment-3523655-20200731004226

Kawaki77 wrote: the dude is jiraiya but stronger and smarter (...) making physical exchange with him would cause anyone to end up being incinerated by his frog, like he almost did against Konohamaru (...) the chakra absorbing path would get K'O by his real flames not chakra derived flames the rest will get the same and he don't need sage mode yet (...) will summon eternally burning real flames end of all the paths.

Princeharris1993 wrote: died during their first encounters due to the Samadhi Truth Flames and the flames from Fire Mountain not being able to be absorbed... See there, that's what I'm wondering.

Against Jiren? He's prepared. He knows that the latter can absorb Ninjutsu so he prepares a trap and summons the real flames from Fire Mountain.

Would he instantly know to do this against Pain, if he has no intel on them?

Like, yes he's stronger than Jiraiya (we've seen him use perfect Sage Mode, contrarily to Jiraiya who needed help to maintain an imperfect one), but I wouldn't go as far saying he's smarter, we've gotten no direct confirmation of this.

It's just that the few times we saw him in an actual fight, he came prepared and planned beforehand (I don't think he fought Jiren without any intel and came up with those tactics on the spot, like someone like Shikamaru or Itachi would; he very obviously had planned most of those moves).

That's not the case here, he just knows that Pain is supposedly a God, who beat Hanzo and that the Rinnegan are the Rikudo Sage's eyes.

And yeah, he kicked Konohamaru's ass, but those flames can be absorbed, so the absorbing path wouldn't have any issues taking care of that. The summoning path would just summon him earlier than he did vs Jiraiya.

From what I understand, unless they've got some big ass Kekkei Genkai, Pain's secret is a big pain in the ass for any newcomer.

Would Koji overcome it so easily?