Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-24168857-20141020124144/@comment-25382671-20141021112957

Sakufan2 wrote: I just typed up a huge reply to this but I wasn't logged in and got lost! I'll try to remember it.

Kakashi is a very quick thinker but Guy has trained to beat Kakashi and has trained specifically to counter the Sharingan. So because they know each other so well that becomes kind of moot to me.

As far as Kakashi's chakra levels, they have clearly improved. But exactly by how much is tricky without a databook. The war arc is also difficult to judge his chakra by, considering he got Naruto/Kurama's chakra at least 2x, was healed by Sakura at least once, and then finally got Obito's chakra. But I definitely agree, his reserves are leagues better than they used to be, borrowed chakra or not. Still, his techniques are very chakra-taxing.

Yes, I agree that the fight between Guy and Kakashi would be decided quickly. Either Guy moves fast to overwhelm Kakashi before he can strike or Kakashi strikes first with a fast kill shot. If Guy can put Kakashi on the defensive it becomes a matter of stamina. Despite better reserves I don't think Kakashi would beat Guy on stamina, especially if he's using elemental ninjustu evasively the way he did against Pain. Kakashi's best chance in the fight is to surprise Guy, quickly, before he gets going. I mean, Guy was able to take down Kisame, who is a chakra beast. Kakashi's tactical skills are his biggest advantage against Guy, but he can only use them if he has the time, and Guy is fast.

For another example of Kakashi on the defensive, look at him fighting Kakuzu. That was a long time ago, but he burned through his chakra and would have lost if not for his team. Kakuzu is a very different style opponent than Guy, but evasion was key, as it would be against Guy. Kakashi is durable but he can't tank a Hirudora.

To bring in their emotional states, Guy has also never been shown to freeze up/hold back the way Kakashi did against Obito, so in a fight to the death he might gain a split second advantage if Kakashi hesitates.

This is one of my favorite matchups in the whole series so I've spent a fair amount of time thinking about it haha. I could probably go the other way and think of some ways why Kakashi would beat Guy, but I feel like people underestimate Guy still so I root for him a little.

Another way to imagine this fight is if neither of them knew the other's abilties. Would Guy lose against the Sharingan? or would Kakashi underestimate Guy and get overwhelmed by the Gates? I can see your points, and agree with most of them, except for the fact that Kakashi would "freeze". I can't see that happening against Guy. His reaction towards Obito was way different than it would be in a deathmatch against a rival.

Other than that, Stamina-wise, Guy wins. The thing is: would it come down to stamina? I think not, really.

Also, I'm not underestimating Guy at all, I saw his full potential against Madara, but I still haven't seen Kakashi fight giving his all... call me nuts, but that's how I see it. I can't believe he did his best against Obito because he was very reluctant to kill him, and while they ended up with Obito with a slight advantage, I believe that a fully-commited Kakashi could've won.