Talk:Mangekyō Sharingan

Mangekyo techniques are not unique with each individual
In chapter 463 Sasuke used Susanoo proving that MS techniques are not unique with each individual. Naruto databook states that anyone able to use Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi can summon Susanoo. It also states this about Kamui "If one spends a lot of time and trains one's chakra over and over again, this technique can be invoked". Meaning that Kakashis Kamui is also not a unique Mangekyo tech.HUNTER* (talk) 16:03, September 11, 2009 (UTC)


 * You cannot claim something like this. In chapter 397, Madara STATES the following: "Somehow, at the last second, he transferred all of his techniques to you." So that means he GAVE Sasuke Amaterasu, Susanno, and Tsukyomi. We know for a fact that the genjutsu isn't the latter due to the facts that the effects on the target aren't the same. In addition to this, Sasuke can also put out Amaterasu, a technique Itachi did not possess. With this evidence, and the fact that Kakashi has a mangekyo ninjutsu that is not Amaterasu, it can be said that the techniques DO differ from user to user. Or, you can still argue that they don't, though the clues favors the former. Either way we can't say which one for sure, it's just a matter of waiting. Until then, leave it the way it is.Macksoar* (User talk:Macksoar*talk) 18:49, September 11, 2009
 * Actually, you're basing that on a mistranslation. Madara said that Itachi transferred his dōjutsu to Sasuke and in retrospect, it was obvious he was only talking about that one-shot Amaterasu. The databooks all but literally state that Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo are standard jutsu for Mangekyō Sahringan wielders. With the latest chapters, it became increasingly clear that any difference in abilities between Sasuke and Itachi is simply due to differences in skill and mastery and not due to different techniques.
 * Kamui's case is less clear though. It seems to be truly unique to Kakashi. --ShounenSuki (talk 01:08, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Its probley sumthin 2 do with his transplanted eye...according 2 the 3rd databook, we are going to learn how Kakashi got the Mangekyo Sharingan so we r probley going 2 learn y he can use Kamui--Moiz1224 (talk) 01:58, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

it seems that the uchiha alone can only use amaterasu, tsukuyomi, and susaoo, kamui must be a special tech. that only people without uchiha blood can use, which would make a lot of sense, but we should rmove that part about unique techs., we can't base such info on a transplanted sharingan, unless we see an uchiha using kamui or some other unique tech. 24.189.153.102 (talk) 13:32, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Nothing until it's confirmed. >>Macksoar

First of all Macksoar* Itachi did show the ability to extinguish Amatersu just like Madara did when Sasuke used Amaterasu on him,read the manga. Second of all Itachi didnt transplant all of his eye techs to Sasuke,that was a mistranlation. Third of all please read the databook before you post anything. The databook clearly states that ANYONE with MS can learn Kamui,this is from the databook translated about Kamui "If one spends a lot of time and trains one's chakra over and over again, this technique can be invoked". And lastly Kakashi can not use Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi because he doesnt possess the Uchiha blood and strong chakra to perform these techs. In my opinion the manga and the databook shows enough evidence that MS techniques are not unique with each individual.HUNTER* (talk) 01:58, September 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * Check the Talk:Madara's Teleporting Technique where I've said that Madara's teleporting jutsu could be an advanced form of Kamui - MadaraU (talk) 07:49, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

will someone please just remove the part about techniques being unique among individuals, we have given enough reason for that to be removed now. 24.189.153.102 (talk) 20:55, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

Genjutsu
For some reason the genjutsu Sasuke used against Shi keeps getting made reference to in this article. So, I draw attention to the fact that Sasuke is using a regular Sharingan. Plz stop adding it. ~SnapperTo 02:57, September 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * That's not a regular Sharingan. Just because you don't see his eyes take the Mangekyo pattern doesn't mean it's not his mangekyo genjutsu. Please recall that when Itachi used Tsukyomi against Kakashi for the first time, his eyes maintained the appearance of the regular Sharingan.


 * Actually, yes it does mean that. A Mangekyō Sharingan technique requires the Mangekyō Sharingan to be activated.
 * When Itachi used Tsukuyomi against Kakashi, you didn't see his eyes at all. --ShounenSuki (talk 12:31, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * How could a mere regular sharingan genjutsu cause the victim paralysis and him pain in his eye? The sharingan we saw was just part of the illusion; he was still sitting on top of the pillar/wall. It looks like he deactivated his mangekyo after the genjutsu.Wreiad (talk) 16:23, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Or he didn't use it, and he's quite skilled at Genjutsu....u'r forgetting, the Sharingan has some powerfull genjutsu on its own...--AlienGamer--Talk (contribs)-- 16:42, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * The pain is evidently in his left eye, whereas his Mangekyo genjutsu are cast with his right eye. It can't be both. ~SnapperTo 23:32, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Blindness
Has it been stated that the eyes don't decline in vision at the same pace to one another? One eye can deteriorate at a faster pace depending on the use of the technique. Evidence: Chapter 390, page 14, panel 2.

Looking at Itachi's right eye, it's clearly been damaged from the overuse of amaterasu has caused that eye to go blind (or decline in vision) while the left still remains in Mangekyo Sharigan form.

It's not a big point, I know, but it does indicate that a Mangekyo users can lose an individual ability before the other instead of both at the same time.


 * - Gojinn

Mangekyou "Kaleidoscope" Sharingan :-O
I think the word kaleidoscope is unnecessary in the description of Sasuke's mangekyou because well, mangekyou means kaleidoscope in jap from what I know :) Therefore I will delete the word. If it is not ok, I will write it back. - MadaraU (talk) 18:33, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

my edit
I do want to apologize for my edit. the computer I am on only sees two of the images for the mangekyos. i tried to insert another image, thinking that it may have been an error, but that didn't work so i changed it back. I hope i didn't mess it up for others. ^^'' --Shaddow 14:46, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Kakashi's Mangekyo
I have a theory on how Kakashi gained his Mangekyo. Even though it happened more then fifteen years ago, Kakashi still blames himself for the loss of Obito. His feelings about this don't seem to have dissipated & he himself admits to visiting Obito's grave every day. It is stated that in order to activate the Mangekyo one must feel the pain of having lost one very dear to him & Kakashi still to this day feels an enormous amount of pain & guilt about the loss of Obito. Minato88 (talk) 01:59, October 25, 2009 (UTC)