Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-25093611-20151024162322

BakumatsuWarrior wrote: My main assumption is that it is highly unlikely that a vastly lower-tiered shinobi can cast a genjutsu effectively on top-tiered shinobis. To put it another way, I assume that a shinobi needs to overcome the victim's chakra flow in some sense in order to cast a genjutsu. how the manga showed things it seems like there is only a need to overcome the victims chakra control powers if they try to free themselfes out of the genjutsu like itachi-clone did it with naruto, but capturing someone is way easier, the user doesnt even recognize that their chakra flow is disrupted as long as they dont see a illogical situation (danzo lost to sasuke because of this)... BakumatsuWarrior wrote: Demigods in the sense that their power is in a godlike scale. Nowhere did I say they were immortal or invulnerable. You're attacking a straw man here. we can argue about godlike but yeah, sorry about that :)

PS: i disagree with you about itahi vs jiraya, i dont think itachi wins, he has a extreme limited chakra pool, if jiraya drags this out he will win, and if he forces itachi into susanoo than it will end even faster, totsuka can be dodged since the sword is only as fast as the susanoo arm which is swinging it,

furthermore, the shield stops attacks from one direction but jiraya can also change make the ground muddy and therefore dimish susanoos defense,

to make it worse jiraya has sound genjutsu which can be used even if they dont face each other directly, jiraya on the other hand only needs to avoid eye-contact (which still requires itachi to charge his eye with chakra before using tsukuyomi), plus in sage mode he could sense itachis move since he would feel the chakra stored in either of his eyes, than he could create a waterwave that blocked itachis field of vision ^_^

all in all, jiraya has way moe chances to take itachi down than otherwise, exspecially since itachi is the one who is forced to attack because of his far smaller chakra pool :)