Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20171028231750/@comment-734582-20171030075040

Namikazenaruto9 wrote: @Asianreaper and @Killman I still think its stretching a lot to say if Madara was Hashirama's equal especially when it took formidable summon like Kurama to cover the gap and even than he didn't win. It's within Madara's power to subjugate Kurama and use him as a summon. Similarly it's within Hashirama's power to absorb nature energy and use it for his own ends. Power is power, internal or external.

Besides, in that fight the primary use of Kurama was to counteract hashirama's sage mode (since Hashirama was forced into it by Majestic Kurama, and afterwards used massive chakra and nature energy to subjugate kurama). We count Kurama as Naruto's power, the same way we count Rinnegan as Nagato's power. If you can use something, then it's fair game.

And in the end, both men were dead tired and Hashirama won with a single clone jutsu left. Meaning it was very close.

Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Had It been Madara instead of Izuna he would have died too but that's my opinion. Odds are good on that, yea. It's difficult to tell how Madara would react to it there (since he seemed to be a big fan of Susanoo and it would be a good defense against FTG), but i think it's fair to say that MS Madara would be on Tobirama's level yea.