Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170909171417/@comment-9782468-20170913053904

Lorenzo.r.3rd wrote: actually, obito fought around 20 anbu, separetly, with the element of surprise. see how sad that is? and as soon? he had his ms for over year, and could only do that, while sasuke had sasuke had his ms for a few weeks, and was fighting 5 people stronger than minato at the same time. dont try to hype obito. he is pretty weak, and but i guess u will find some other argument to make me wrong, so whatever. and back to the point in hand. imma be honest with u, or at least straight forward: how would minato have dealt with of them, individualy, anyways? he cant hurt ay, cuz of his cloak, and bee wouldnt die from anything that minato did to him. he woud regen, and get back at minato, or wait until he gets tired. minato was risking his life in there. he didnt have time to keep playing games with ay. u shouldve known that the moments that ay already started to look for minato's next spot.... now, one thing that i forgot to mention, that might change some stuff here. if they run outta chakra, tobirama wins. just pointing that out, cuz i think that that should be pretty obvious. and i dont think that speed would change that battle that much, since tobirama is an over 9000 lvl sensor, and we have seen that sensing does work agaisnt teleporters, or blitzers, so just think bout that. now, if minato were to try and fight tobirama, he wouldnt by any means, use an attack that isnt a sure a kill. i dont believe that he would just teleport somewhere, and rasengan him outta nowhere, cuz that wouldnt work, so his only other chance is to get tobirama tired, by teleporting the whole time, which will for a fact tire minato out first.... so my here is- how would minato win? what could he possibly do? ... What element of surprise? They saw him. They even attacked first. And Zetsu said they were Jonin and Anbu level fighters. Zetsu said there were several dozen. That's like 36 or more (I'm assuming "several" means more than 2. Even if you take it as 2 dozen, the body count is 24 or more).

Who was Sasuke fighting that were stronger than Minato? Minato could hold his own with any one of the Kage if he fought them.

Minato could hurt Ay with his Rasengan. It already showed it could break through defenses better than Chidori (Water Tower). If that doesn't work, Minato could probably seal his movements. In any case, it was clear that he didn't have a problem dodging even Ay's top speed punch. So the very most Ay could hope for is a draw, but his lightening armour takes chakra. Minato could outlast him.

With Bee, their abilities are too different for me to think of who would win exactly. Minato has shown he can counter the most powerful Tailed Beast Technique. And against Bee himself, Minato has some techniques that I would think useful but were never shown their full use. For example, Spiralling Flash Super Round Dance Howl Style Three. It wasn't shown, but that many attacks from that many angles may be even too much for Bee's Acrobat.

Minato definitely had time with Ay. Ay was never going to touch him. If Minato wanted to, he could have just had his platoon hold hands while he teleported them out of there.

If both parties run out of chakra, both lose because they both die.

No one short of a Sage mode user has ever dodged Minato's FTG attack. And it has been shown that Sage mode far exceeds the sensing abilities of normal sensors. While Tobirama can anticpate and counter due to the fact that he's also a master of FTG, the point remains that Minato's abilites with the technique and his sheer speed are greater. And in a battle of Shinobi who usually rely on their speed being superior to their opponent, being faster is a big factor.

And wow, I realize I've gone on a tangent about Minato and Tobirama, but I just saw that thread is the one where it's versus Hiruzen lol. Whoops. Points still stand though.

Hiruzen isn't a sensor. And he's not a Senju with Hashi healing either. So Minato's timing and FTG coupled with the Rasengan could very well kill him if it lands. And remember, no one short of a Sage Mode user ever dodged an FTG attack. Maybe Hiruzen could manage it. But Minato can always keep on the pressure. I'm not even really saying Minto would beat prime Hiruzen. But he has a very real shot; it's not like he has no options.