Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-29389294-20160808232414/@comment-5311048-20160817024828

His Power Level is Over 9000!!! wrote: Kinglink15 wrote: Madara Uchiha without the Rinnegan and Hashirama DNA. VS Obito with both his Sharingan, that allows Kamui and Susanoo. I will check their armor, power and skill to find out who will win! (note this post did not mention Obito with out Hashirama Cell, so I will count it.)

Madara Uchiha: Being of Indra incarnation Madara was the strongest Shinobi of his time. Without a doubt no one was able to match him besides the legendary Hashirama Senju. He is able to create a gust of wind so powerful that can push away several shinobi with just a swing of his gunbai. He is also a very skilled Taijutsu user, and a strength enough to eitehr break a person's neck with a kick, or to push them several feet away. Madara known elements are Fire. With his fire elemental Madara can simply create a giant wave of fire capable of taking out an army. Also with his Sharingan, he is able to predict his opponents moves faster, cast genjutsu, and copy ninjutsu. He is also able to go further into his Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, which allows him to use one of his most powerful technique, Susanoo. A powerful titan like being that is said to have a power, rival to a tailed beasts. Strong enough that with a swing of it's blade, it can cut down through mountains.... that is miles away from the avatar. Madara also has the ability to sense his opponent, and absorb their chakra. He is pretty fast also, with fast enough reflexes to dodge and counter Tobirama's Flying Rajin jutsu.

Like all Shinobi, Madara is limited to chakra, and due to this being an era before he achieved the Rinnegan, and Hashirama DNA, Madara is more durable to deadly attacks if not careful.

Obito Uchiha: Once a boy who wanted to be Hokage, is not a man of a dark heart after losing a lost one. Obito is one of the most powerful shinobi in the Naruto universe. Thanks to his ability the Kamui, he is able to phase through attacks coming towards him, this is due to the fact that his body is transported to the his pocket dimension. This jutsu also allowed him to teleport himself into that dimension, to then appear somewhere else in the world, making it more advanced that the Flying Rajin, as it does not need a mark. Kamui also allows the user to absorb anything into his pocket dimension, by other physical contact, or long range. Thanks to having Hashirama DNa, Obito has the hokage's healing factor that allows it to repair damages, which also gives him Wood style, and access to use his Mangenyou Sharingan. Obito's Taijutsu is incredible as he did manage to take down several anbu ranked shinobi, of course this was due to the combination with Kamui. Obito also has access to Susanoo, in the same level as Madara, only difference, that his Susanoo throws Kamui like Shuriken which would teleport object to the dimension.

Despite all these incredible feet, Obito still has some weaknesses. His Kamui only allows him to remain intangible for about five minute, which may be a long time, but if waited out it is deadly. Obito is also open for a counter attack if he managed to either come in contact with a target, as to absorb them in both close and long range, he must be tangible to do so, this could allow anyone to attack if given the right moment. Obito is also very quick to judge, and relies on his Kamui to much, which would give him a disadvantage for to come up with a plan fast.

After studying all of them and coming up with the result, in my opinion. Obito would win. Yes Madara is more powerful and skilled, Obito's advantage is his way of thinking, he strategies his attacks, and can trick an opponent into thinking they "simply slip through attacks" Or are hit, which could allow for a guard to be let down. Obito's Kamui also has the advantage of hiding the user's Chakra, where the target cannot sense it until the user is fully out of the jutsu. In short, Madara would have no means into countering Kamui, if even if he did come up with a plan, Madara would not be able to get close enough to succeed in it. Obito is still weaker than madara If Madara had Hashirama DNA, and Rinnegan, yes. But here is the other way around. Madara only has what he had before he unlocked the Rinnegan. Obito has Hashirama DNA, and both of his MS. Yes Madara had the EMS but Obito has Hashirama DNA, which helped him use his MS more than a normal uchiha can, and to top it off, Obito Susanoo's as an advantage for they have ranging weapons that can transport part of Madara's Susanoo's to the pocket. The only advantage Madara in the era before his death has over Obito, is knowledge in fighting. But Obito's Kamui can avoid all of that, and even be used as a long range attack. Madara is stronger and more powerful, but Obito's tastic and his way of fighting with Hashirama's Wood style, and Kamui, Obito's sure to win.