Talk:Outer Path

Classification
isn't it a genjutsu?


 * Good question! I don't know. The Naraka Path is supposedly a Genjutsu user, but them agian, when was that ever made official? Also, it physically ate and healed the Asura Path. Maybe the Genjutsu is just that powerful...I guess you should put it as Genjutsu for now, until it's official.-xnaminex


 * The only way the King of Hell is going to be a genjutsu is if Kishimoto decides to completely ignore everything he's told us so far about what genjutsu are and how they work. --ShounenSuki 01:07, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

It seems to me that this a summoned creature like in the reaper death seal, not a jutsu in itself. Should I modify the category jutsu, and ninjutsu to be summons? 74.236.92.133 (talk) 01:08, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not a summon, but it wouldn't appear to be a regular jutsu either. Might be simplest to just attribute it to the Rinnegan. Or resolve the discussion below. ~SnapperTo 19:16, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Quick question, how exactly does Nagato summon Kin of Hell? Is he really using the Summoning Jutsu, or is this more like Dead Demon Consuming Seal? Normally I believe we classify "Summons" as creatures who exist elsewhere, a blood contract has been made with, and thus the user may use the Summoning Jutsu to summon those creatures. Beings that are created or show up as the result of other jutsu are normally just classified as Ninjustu. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) May 31, 2009 @ 19:36 (UTC)


 * When the Naraka path uses it it just appears, a la the Dead Demon Consuming Seal. When Nagato uses it it appears in a puff of smoke like summons do. Unless the smoke is from something else, there are conflicting accounts (not that I seriously believe it's being summoned from somewhere). ~SnapperTo 19:47, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The same discussion could be held about what Susano'o is. I think that the King Of Hell is the summoning of a creature living somewhere else (I would bet my money that it resides in Hell :P), but not through the normal Kuchiyose no Jutsu else it would be a technique of the Animal Path. I think it is ninjutsu summoning in the end (I understood from the discussion that the dilemma was whether it was ninjutsu or genjutsu) but perhaps not through the conventional Kuchiyose involving blood contracts and such. - MadaraU (talk) 19:09, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Outer Path
In chapter 449, Konan calls the King of Hell the seventh Pain; the. I think this should be mentioned somewhere. --ShounenSuki (talk 11:37, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought she called Nagato the Outer Path. /shrug But I'll add it.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 13:33, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe I misinterpreted it...
 * Here's what Konan said, translated as literally as I could:
 * To me, it seems Konan is talking about the technique Nagato is about to use, referring to that as the seventh Pain and not Nagato. --ShounenSuki (talk 13:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Just by reading it, I think she was talking about well agian Nagato. "Nagato's [Rinnegan] is a technique that contorls life and deaht itself, the Seventh Pain." By replacing eye power with Rinnegan (which I assume that is what she ment), I think is referring to the user of it, Nagato as the seventh Pain.--14:03, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I assumed she was talking about the Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique, because Naruto asked what technique Nagato was using. --ShounenSuki (talk 14:07, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm getting confused now....you assume one thing, I assume the other. Neither of us can be sure because damn Kishimoto likes to do this...Compromise then?--TheUltimate3 (talk) 14:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Compromises are always good. What do you suggest? --ShounenSuki (talk 14:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The Outer Path is mentioned somewhere in the Six Paths page...referencing Nagato and the King of Hell...somehow...fill in the blanks as I know there are blanks.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 14:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * How about something like... "Just before Nagato used the Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique, Konan explained the technique to Naruto, mentioning a seventh Pain. Referring to it as the, it is not entirely clear whether she meant Nagato or the King of Hell used in the technique." --ShounenSuki (talk 14:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Perfect! --TheUltimate3 (talk) 14:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I added it to the Six paths of Pain page. If you don't agree on the placing, feel free to move it around. --ShounenSuki (talk 15:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ha ha, that was one of the most civilized discussions, nice. However I am of the opinion that Gedo is indeed Nagato. First of all it seemed extremely clear that Naraka Path used the King Of Hell in those truth or false/life or death "contests" with the villagers of Konoha. It would be awkward if the seventh path would be used by another path. Secondly, Nagato used all those dead bodies because he had control over life and death (much like how I understood the Gedo's powers). If indeed the King Of Hell is the Gedo (the life and death path outside the other paths - gedo in itself means outer from what I've understood, outer as in outside of the six realms: god, animal, human etc) it would be awkward for it to be used by another path which is in fact a dead body (like the Naraka path was). I hope I have not cast more confusion. I am almost completely sure that Nagato is the Gedo (Outer Path) and in the Pain Rikudo article it should be mentioned. I decided not to go on my own with modifying after seeing this discussion. I am leaving it at your call and correct me if I understood something wrong. Oh and by the way SHOUNENSUKI (master of jap here on narutowiki ^:)^ - I am not being ironic :P )please tell us the name of the King Of Hell technique in jap. In fact that is why I stumbled upon this discussion, because of the technique's name :D - MadaraU (talk) 18:54, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Perfect! --TheUltimate3 (talk) 14:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I added it to the Six paths of Pain page. If you don't agree on the placing, feel free to move it around. --ShounenSuki (talk 15:16, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ha ha, that was one of the most civilized discussions, nice. However I am of the opinion that Gedo is indeed Nagato. First of all it seemed extremely clear that Naraka Path used the King Of Hell in those truth or false/life or death "contests" with the villagers of Konoha. It would be awkward if the seventh path would be used by another path. Secondly, Nagato used all those dead bodies because he had control over life and death (much like how I understood the Gedo's powers). If indeed the King Of Hell is the Gedo (the life and death path outside the other paths - gedo in itself means outer from what I've understood, outer as in outside of the six realms: god, animal, human etc) it would be awkward for it to be used by another path which is in fact a dead body (like the Naraka path was). I hope I have not cast more confusion. I am almost completely sure that Nagato is the Gedo (Outer Path) and in the Pain Rikudo article it should be mentioned. I decided not to go on my own with modifying after seeing this discussion. I am leaving it at your call and correct me if I understood something wrong. Oh and by the way SHOUNENSUKI (master of jap here on narutowiki ^:)^ - I am not being ironic :P )please tell us the name of the King Of Hell technique in jap. In fact that is why I stumbled upon this discussion, because of the technique's name :D - MadaraU (talk) 18:54, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Black Flames?
I see black flames below the King Of Hell. Isn't that Amaterasu?
 * Could be because when Amaterasu was used it was said (by Zetsu if I am not mistaken) that the technique brought forth the Black Flames of Hell (the place from which, according to the name of the technique bringing it forth, the King of Hell comes) - MadaraU (talk) 07:22, October 11, 2009 (UTC)