Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-35057921-20191015174126/@comment-9782468-20191016235306

@Flatzone you're reaching, hard.

I don't care about the whole speed debate, Ay just acknowledged Minato was the better Shinobi. He admitted he was faster too, but I know that's debatable because of teleportation.

Minato may not have had Ay's reserves, but you don't need to match huge reserves to beat someone. Otherwise, Kakashi would have never made Jonin.

I compare them because the series called Madara and Hashi close to equals. But you know what the series also said? that Minato was superior to Ay. And he was. As stated by most in the series who touched the subject. Including Ay.

Minato casually nearly killed Ay in their first encounter, yet you're on some bs about him barely being able to keep up. It's due to FTG, but Ay is the one who needs to struggle to keep up with Minato, not the other way around.

FTG is a very hard technique to use. It's S-Rank, so it's one of the hardest techniques to use in the series. Minato spamming it isn't a sign that it's his crutch, it's a sign that he's so skilled that he can spam it. For example, it's harder to use than Rasengan and look how long Naruto took to learn to form it with one hand, despite spamming it through the series with clones even, which multiplied his experience.

And in any case, who cares that Minato used FTG to win? It's in his repetoire and it's his signature. That's be like me complaining that Ay used his Lightning cloak.

I've literally only given you citations from the series itself, so idk who you're accusing of wanking Minato.

I didn't bring up Sage Mode, and I don't think he can use it in battle unless A) the enemy isn't paying attention to him and B) he has several allies drawing attention away from him.

The fact that Minato failed against a Juubi Jinchuriki isn't a detriment to Minato lol. Sage mode vs the literal embodiment of Nature Energy being wielded by Madara. If he won that engagement, it wouldn't make sense.

Hashi did kill Madara, yes. When he wanted to. When Madara stood in the way of peace. When Hashi finally realized he wouldn't reach his friend and that with Madara alive, peace wasn't an option.

Minato had no reason to kill another Kage, since it'd throw an entire village into chaos and down a path of revenge and hate. Minato tried to kill Ay at first because they were at war and he followed orders. As soon as the horn sounded retreat, he just left. And Ay and Bee couldn't stop him.

Use your excuses all you want, but the series doesn't support your theory that Minato couldn't kill Ay.