Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26388300-20150611050338/@comment-734582-20150614211754

LoneNinja wrote: and power that FAR surpasses all FIVE kage. I want to point out that that references the Madara versus 5 Kage fight. If we define "kage" level as what Hashirama does, there would only be one "kage" level shinobi. If Madara's power in that fight is any indication, Hashirama alone is far more than 5 kage level. Tobirama, while the extent of his power is never truly revealed, can be assumed to be far above what we call "kage" too.

Tobirama had no problem using anything as a weapon, to the point where he developed a jutsu that raised the dead to fight again. Raijin 1000 miles away and having the 8gates user die as a result would very much be in his tactical book. though i'd like to mention that Tobirama could just stick a Kunai in Lee's throat when he prepares the 8th gate by using Raijin.

Lastly, Tobirama technically never loses since the 8th gate guarantees death. Hence, it's always at least a tie. Which is pretty much what 8gates is meant to do: Pay a great price to attempt a tie on a stronger foe.