Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-37265641-20181022021850/@comment-34194151-20181208071552

@JamesSenpai Blatant ignorance. You yourself cited the databook scan, yet you missed the statement of the mirror "power to change any one of it's physical properties". That is enough proof that it can move if it needs to.

I didn't word myself wrong at all. Like I said, for the umpteenth time, growing and changing in size is a type of movemement, as the author clearly shows you the sfx:whoosh on the mirror on the same page it is decreasing in size back to normal. You are the one acting ignorant, and the reason you still don't get it is because you still haven't accessed the sfx guide. It's not surprising you don't understand the clear English coming out of my keyboard when you literally don't understand the context of my statements. When an object grows in size rapidly, that is considered a type of movement. As choji grows with his expansion jutsu, he is literally displacing all the air above him. The same thing happens when you clearly see kcm naruto's chakra arms growing out from him and there are movement lines drawn on the chakra arm...

IF you truly accessed the Viz like you claimed, you can clearly see the SFX:whoosh there on the manga page. So Idk what to tell you. How hard is it to research what the SFX:whoosh means and confirm what I said? These dictionaries exist online even if you didn't get a physical copy from a bookstore, and even just now I googled a dictionary that says the same thing. http://thejadednetwork.com/sfx/search/?keyword=Sfx%3Awhoosh&submitSearch=Search+SFX&x= Sfx:whoosh = swift or fast motion, clearly shown at the bottom of the page on this site. Then, since you supposedly have accessed the Viz scans, the sfx:whoosh is clearly shown on the page I referenced. If after this post, you still somehow don't get it, then I'm confident you are biased. I used the correct translation and I gave you the definition multiple times.

Yes Itachi only needs 3 tomoe to defeat Jiraiya. I use feats to support my arguments, so spare me the nonsense about the "itachi fan community having a bad rep". It only has a bad rep with people who refuse to look at feats critically. Itachi is second only to hashirama when it comes to clone feinting. Itachi literally clone feinted Sage mode kabuto multiple times, yet base Jiraiya is tracking his clone formations? yeah right. Second of all, Itachi is a genius. Jiraiya is smart and creative but he isn't on Itachi's level, period. Anyone who thinks that obviously needs to reread the whole manga. Itachi is literally the second greatest genjutsu user of all time behind shisui, not including those with the ten tails. He can kill Jiraiya in 2 moves. Superior hand seal speed, first of all. Jiraiya won't even know when Itachi has made a move because he lacks a sharingan, not that it helped kakashi and sasuke lmao. On the flip side, Itachi can easily grasp insight into Jiraiya's jutsu formation with his own sharingan. So Itachi can steal initiative in the fight and cast his hand seals the moment he sees jiraiya starting his own handseals, and Itachi's jutsu will still go off first, and there is literally no opening technique in Jiraiya's arsenal that Itachi doesn't have an answer for. So, Finger genjutsu followed by exploding shadow clone wins the fight before it begins. Jiraiya can break the genjutsu but as soon as he does, the clone will already be behind him. Itachi is faster in every way-better jutsu speed, better movement speed, better reflexes, and he has better hax in general, and that isn't even including all his mangeyko hax. Jiraiya isn't on Itachi's level.

Rofl. Kisame is an antimeta swordsman. If you haven't paid attention, samehada is very long in length it's essentially as tall as Kisame is. Furthermore, on top of that, samehada has shown the ability to grow in length by elongating the handle. A battle starts at the most, 30 feet away. With his sword length, Kisame literally only has to cover less than 2/3s of that distance thanks to the reach of samehada. Then on TOP of that, samehada doesn't even need direct physical contact to start absorbing chakra/ninjutsu. Base Jiraiya has no running speed feats (especially backward running feats, and backward running is slower than forward running) to suggest he is any faster than Kisame. So Kisame will chase him down and control the distance with his longsword. You also clearly didn't watch the parts of the canon that showed why swordsmen are antimeta to ninjutsu users because kenjutsu>handsigns. Kisame adds a whole new level to that because even if you get a ninjutsu off before he closes the distance, samehada simply absorbs it. When Kisame charges, Jiraiya is smart enough to know he can't let kisame get into Close range, or jiraiya loses the fight right then and there, because he has no way of escaping or dealing with samehada without access to sage mode. Kisame is physically stronger, more durable, and jiraiya isn't might guy, he isn't beating kisame in Close quarters combat, and his ninjutsu are useless to chakra absorption. Kisame has already shown the ability to even interrupt summoning jutsu. Jiraiya is most likely gonna do what he did to Pain and use a smoke bomb to escape when Kisame charges, so that he can use his guerrilla tactics and stall to enter sage mode. Except, Kisame then has initiative to summon the water dome, fuse with his sword, activating his sensing abilities, and the fight is over. Jiraiya has no way of escaping Kisamehada in the water dome, period. It's highly unlikely that Jiraiya even gets the chance to enter sage mode before Kisame drains him to death.

And you are using abc logic. Base jiraiya can beat kakashi, but kakashi has a much higher chance of defeating kisame compared to base jiraya because he has two things samehada can't stop: genjutsu and kamui. Jiriaya needs to get into sage mode first before he can utilize any genjutsu. Kakashi (depending on the variant) has a decent chance to steal a win against kisame with a genjutsu + kamui more times than not, because he too knows too much about samehada to be stupid enough to try using raikiri on Kisame without a plan. Kisame is likely skilled enough to break kakashi's genjutsu but depending on the variant of kakashi (early war arc kakashi has enough aiming proficiency and chakra reserves to effectively utilize kamui in battle) snipe Kisame's head off just as kisame breaks the genjutsu, and he can do those two moves when kisame tries to close the distance on him.