Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-37265641-20181022021850/@comment-34194151-20181103172137

@Loneninja

Terrible logic. Obito has a dimension that he can hide in that Itachi has no way to reach. You can't tell me where obito was all those years, so I accept your concession. Being able to find someone =/= being able to beat them in battle. Similarly, not being able to find someone =/= not being able to beat them in battle. If obito doesn't want to be hit, NO ONE can hit him, not even god tiers unless they can teleport into his kamui dimension, how is that hard to understand? His only weakness lies in the moment of the attack and the limits of his reflexes/sensory capabilites. If he simply decides to keep kamui active, he can do so for 5 minutes, run away, and then safely teleport away. Even minato couldn't follow him once he entered the kamui dimension. and before you use konan argument, think twice, and remember that required a rediculous amount of prep time, FULL KNOWLEDGE, which itachi was proven not to have had (why? because your boy obito already confessed that if itachi knew about kamui's secrets, obito would have been dead) and also obito underestimating her and fighting her one 1v1 on battlefield that suited konan, she had the enviornmental advantage. Obito was literally forced to maintain a pact with itachi, was forced to hide from him for years, and was forced to wait until his death to make big moves against konoha, lol. If obito brought nagato as backup, then obito surely wins against itachi, but then itachi still had kotoamatsukami to wreck havoc with, and then obito loses itachi as a valuable member. Itachi could also retreat and defect from akatsuki. obito treaded carefully and maximized his resources, but if itachi was as easy to deal with you as claimed, then obito has no reason to abide by the pact to not attack konoha directly.

And I already told you why. Obito simply runs/teleports back to rain village and gets nagato as backup. You have yet to prove that obito would engage itachi in a 1v1 fair battle. Kisame would also eventually find out, now it's 3v1. how is that hard to undersand?

And Black zetsu, the final antagonist, also accepts your concession. You completely ignored the fact he views itachi as invincible as long as his stamina permits the maintenance of the yata mirror and totsuka blade, on top of all of itachi's other techniques. Obviously, sick itachi especially can't sustain it for too long, but he can certainly hold his own against most top tier characters. Obito is hard to deal with because he can bypass the yata mirror, but totsuka blade + itachi's genjutsu+ clone feints can deal with him 1v1. But if obito is accompanied by someone like pain or nagato, then it's too difficult, itachi would be coughing up blood from exerting himself dealing with pain and then obito would eventually have a chance to warp him away.

Lol, that quote proves jack squat. Killer bee didn't even use continuous bijuu dama, which is his real strongest attack. Itachi was simply being calculated and careful. He had no idea how much damage was required to destroy the chibaku tensei, so you have proven nothing, so he did the wise thing and tested it out with the firepower he had available.. You can't even prove that all 3 of those attacks were absolutely necessary, or that multiple yakaska matagama thrown one after the other wouldn't be able to destroy it eventually. His max power yakaska matagma was comparable in size to killer bee's bijuu dama, and were much bigger than the ones itachi used against kabuto. Furthermore, even if itachi couldn't break chibaku tensei by himself in a hypothetical 1v1 battle against nagato, he now has seen the technique, and all he has to do is blitz nagato with the totsuka blade before he uses it. he now knows the handseal nagato uses to cast it, and with the sharingan he can easily predict the seal before hand. Plus, there is still tsykuyomi, there is still itachi's other methods of stealing initiative. At best, all you have proven is that nagato vs itachi could go 50/50, which still puts itachi on nagato's and obito's level, period. Nagato also can't react to the blade. you are going against the manga on multiple fronts. Black Zetsu acknowledged the power of the blade, and the feats corroborate it.When the final anatagonist of the series who has literally seen gods level the terrain comes out and says itachi is invincible, it's best not to overlook it.

@Zetantroid

I wouldn't disrespect obito like that. He is certainly stronger than both pain and konan, and depending on how he utilizies zetsu, they certain can beat both pain and konan. So he is above pain and konan, but otherwise your list is accurate.