Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-34194151-20181103192813

Loneninja,

No your headcanon is sickening, don't project it on to me. Konan can't react to the totsuka blade, how is that so hard to understand? she couldn't even react to attacks from base jiraiya, period. she knows the oil is her weakness but she couldn't avoid it to save her life. her fighting style relies purely on her psuedo immortality, she is not slow, but she is not particularly fast either. she is in no way shape or form reacting to an attack as fast as totsuka blade.

You downplay itachi to scary degrees. WHY DOES HE HAVE TO perpetually look AT KONAN AND OROCHIMARU? Why is it so hard to understand that they cannot threaten his defense. You obviously don't understand what a FEINT is. a feint is an attack that you cannot ignore. Newsflash, itachi has been shown multiple times to open with susano'o, which ignores 99 percent of their attacks. that means any attack that isn't coming from underground, he can straight up ignore. itachi can straight up focus purely on offense. Your biased opinion shows for three reasons: you ignored Black zetsu's statement, you ignored the fact that itachi has been shown to spawn clones where he wants at the start of fights, including BEHIND his opponent, and then substituting with them, and even was getting behind a perfect sage from who knows where. There is a clear difference in every aspect of speed here, and you cited a feat of itachi being impaled, ignoring the fact that even KABUTO himself, his enemy, states the only reason itachi was tagged was because he was worried sasuke would be killed. And Kimimaro doesn't get sage mode kabuto's muki tensei feats, that is something you also cooked up. there is no sasuke in this fight to distract itachi.

Lol no, itachi immediately uses totsuka blade as his primary offense against opponents that he knows can't be killed. He now has experience fighting against edo tensei. He didn't waste time against nagato. He prioritized naruto and bee's safety first, and for all we know he didn't use totsuka blade immediately because he might have accidentally sealed both naruto and bee, nagato was clearly holding them both. after that, he waited to see what nagato's move would be, and after that, he finished nagato before nagato could try another move, with guess what, totsuka blade gg. Itachi has seen kimimaro and his technique before, which you don't seem to understand. Itachi and sasuke clearly turned their heads as kabuto moved and activated the bone jutsu, proving their sharingan allowed them to see kabuto even though he was behind the amaterasu flames. Itachi may not know about konan, which simply means he focuses on finishing kimimaro and orochimaru first, and then konan is screwed. These 3 opponents cannot outlast itachi's limited time in susano'o.

You are using irrelevant arguments because you are grasping at straws. I myself has stated multiple times that even with Itachi's invincibilty, it's limited by his stamina. he has trouble against multiple high level opponents because of it. I myself stated that orochimaru can defeat itachi with the right edo tensei, just not these. Your point that these ninjas can take on kages is irrelevant, because this is a battle against itachi who has specific arsenal that most other characters don't have.

You even use more headcanon, like ignoring the fact that we have seen edo madara jump against the 5 kages and his susano'o followed him and still protected him from attacks, such as in chapter 577 pg 4 onward. itachi's susano'o doesnt need legs when he himself can simply jump, and he can orient his susano'o and body parralel to the ground the block spikes coming out from underneath him. he reacted to kakashi coming out from directly under him and dodged his uppercut, so he can react to the bones, it's that simple.

Why does Itachi jump? because he is not the mindless ape you made him out to be. He did not just mindlessly cut the bones just for lolz. He did that AFTER he safely avoided being impaled. then he analyzed the ENTIRE situation with his brother sasuke, and decided that the best course of action in THAT situation was simply cutting the bones in half.

The problem is you are not looking at what each character can do and what their mindsets will be. Itachi is literally up against 3 opponents here, why would he waste his limited stamina exactly? This is a fight to the death, his life is on the line. he isn't holding back. There are literally only two fights in this manga where itachi had these same stipulations, and that was against nagato and orochimaru. when he was bloodlusted and going for the KILL, he went for totsuka blade, period. In all other fights, itachi was explicitly stated and shown to be holding back his true strength for a wide variety of situational reasons, he didn't want to kill the konoha jounin, he didn't want to kill jiraiya, he didn't want to kill sasuke, he couldn't kill sage mode kabuto because then edo tensei would never be released, he didn't want to kill deidara, he didn't want to kill naruto or bee, why do you ignore this?

Your scenarios are off because of this.

The OP did not give a starting distance, so I will assume 16 meters/30 feet. Itachi sees orochimaru casting the edo tensei seal, and two coffins appear. Itachi does some light shit talking and immediately starts forming complete body: susano'o, which forms in like what, half a second?, and using his super handseal speed, a clone appears behind all three of his opponents right at the beginining, as per canon. Itachi overlays attacks. against kakashi forming the clone was one of his first moves, and they all happened extremely quickly. so instead of the water style plus shadow clone, he does susano'o plus crow clone. If kimimaro doesn't open with his ultimate bone technique, this fight ends even quicker, so I'll assume he is opening with it for your sake. Now, an itachi appearing behind them is a feint they CAN'T ignore, they will have to turn their attention to it. So while they are distracted by the clone, itachi blitzes oro with the totsuka blade in that half a second, as per canon, because the blade is literally faster than human speech and oro can't react at all, especially now since his attention was misdirected. the crow clone tries to stab konan in order to test her abilities, but is suprised by konan's immorality, and konan wraps it in papers and finishes it, while kimimaro goes for his ultimate bone technique, while orochimaru is still being sealed away.

Kimimaro merges with his bones as you say as itachi jumps in the air and uses susano'o to protect himself from any impalement. Konan flies up as well, while itachi hops from bone to bone to get footing. Meanwhile, he can see kimimaro moving through the bones thanks to his sharingan. Konan fires paper bomb explosions. itachi goes on the move and completely ignores her because papers bombs aren't doing jack to susano'o, and then blitzes kimimaro with totsuka blade through the bone, because kimimaro ain't reacting to the blade either, see the pattern? he is being sealed away, but now itachi starts to feel mangyeko strain and coughs up some blood, so he deactivates susano'o and continues to evade konan's paper bombs, and counters them with basic katon, just like jiraiya did. once he feels ready to endure the strain again, he activates susano'o again and blitzes konan too, or he can simply use tsykuyomi.

Like I said, you even ignore BASIC abilities of the sharingan.