Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34700383-20180925024407

AsianReaper wrote: SPSM and that fancy cloak are two separate things. Unless you’re about to present new information, this claim remains unproven. In fact your own argument debunks you. You continue to say that the image showing Naruto(before he awakened enough of the juubi power) depicts rsm because it is shown in the databook page that mode. This ‘image included on the page’ argument is poor because a better case can be made about the other image. The image that shows Naruto with his awakened juubi power. In fact, compared to the image you insist on misinterpreting, this image is shown to greater extent. It’s enlarged and is in the the center of the page, not only that but his juubi power is on full display. If I were using your own logic, I wouldn’t be wrong to say that this center image is for more, if not the only one, indicative of rsm. So stop using that argument, it’s weak and inconsistent because you’re indirectly proving yourself wrong. AsianReaper wrote: SPSM is cross-slits with no pigmentation. The page for SPSM uses an image of Naruto without a chakra cloak to display one of the feats of SPSM. I provided several sources debunking this premise. You are blatantly misconstruing the images on the page. The images there have captions and cutlines, that’s where you’ll find their meaning and relevance to the page. Your speculation in any necessary. AsianReaper wrote: The caption is used to state that SPSM (the very topic of the page) is a power greater than that of Kurama mode. This is literally not what is stated. It says the the kick required greater chakra than kurama mode alone. You’re attempts at spinning the narrative won’t work in your favor. I fact check everything. AsianReaper wrote: Chakra from the 9 Bijuu powering his cloak is what causes the coffin seal and 9 tomoe. That’s not all. There’s also nature energy included. Those energies combined results in rikudo sage chakra, juubi chakra, rikudo senjutsu. Again, you leave out much needed context. AsianReaper wrote: It's also probably why it's the only mode which gives him the cloak that leaves his skin normal looking. I already proved that rsm is one mode, not 2 or 3 as you’re suggesting. Rsm has never been used with other modes, manga and databook confim this and have also established the times where Naruto uses two forms at once. So can you prove beyond all doubt that this is the case for rsm? AsianReaper wrote:You do not need the power from the 9 Bijuu to use SPSM, as shown by the lack of pigmentation in Naruto's eyes following the war and when he first showed his new mode. This belief can never be more than that because it’s based on bad logic. You are wrongly defining images. The meaning you attach to them is the wrong one. The premise of your claim is outdated and lacks necessary context, it’s inaccurate. AsianReaper wrote: Naruto's new cloak lacks the coffin seal and 9 tomoe because it's just his Kurama cloak, not a cloak with power from the 9 Bijuu. If you know this then you much know that the power he once had using the biju was that of a juubi jinchuriki, the same power power which allowed him to achieve rikudo sagehood. As you just said Naruto no longer has that power. We have finally reached an agreement. AsianReaper wrote: His eyes lack pigmentation because it's not regular Sage Mode he's using, it's SPSM. While in toad sage mode, rings around naruto’ eye will be present or Naruto depending on if he gathers nature energy or if kurama gives him that energy. That is the significance of Naruto’ eyes. The same eyes that can and has been shown without the power of the juubi as you just agreed too, and so without being in rsm. I explained this already. Arguing in circles isn’t helping your case. AsianReaper wrote: Haha holy crap you're something else. Claiming people are objectively wrong when all you're doing is interpreting information just like everyone else. You've a pretty high opinion of your interpretations, if you think they're objectively right. Ridiculous. Good luck with article, seems you'll need it. This isn’t about egos and personal opinions, it’s about the provable truth. You’re belief of what’s shown on the Rsm Databook Page and what is actually shown are two different things. I proved this outright and shattered the premise to your claim.

In an analysis, it’s best to stick with the facts, speculate minimally but logically, or don’t speculate at all. The aim here isn’t to add to the confusion, it’s to step back, gather all the necessary context and relevant information to reach a better understanding than before. Your preconceived notions aren’t allowing you to process new information and gain context, compromising your ability to be objective.

Keep in mind that I once had the same thinking that you still subscribe to. So I know that if you were to listen to the reasons I gave as to why I no longer believe those claims, and actually consider all the new information that‘s been presented thus far, you too would have a similar shift in thinking.

In case you still don’t get what I’m saying, this isn’t about anyone’ beliefs, it’s about what can be proven.

In regards to what’s on hagoromo’ forehead, it was never established as anything special, let alone relevant to rikudo sage chakra.