Talk:Mutations

Potential Mutants
Kisame Hoshigaki, because those gills on his arms and face, skin colour, eyes, etc. seem a bit more than cosmetic. Might also explain his strength. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 06:04, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * What evidence do you have for these being mutation besides that other people don't have them? I mean maybe humans are just not like normal humans in naruto world... - S im A nt 06:16, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * The second databook classified Kidōmaru's jutsu as hiden. If anything, hiden jutsu can be made from mutations. Take for example Deidara. His extra mouths are all but explicitly said to come from the Iwagakure Kinjutsu he stole. His Exploding Clay is hiden, and comes from that. Also, Isaribi and Amachi aren't examples of mutations, they were experimented on, that's how they got their fish attributes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:59, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Those people are anime, and I do not know much about the anime. As for Kidōmaru, his JUTSU may be hidden, but those arms and eyes are not classified as such. As for Kisame, we do not have much information about differences between us and Naruto humans. Moreover, there has not been a single person who remotely resembles him (except for the teeth).
 * I just think it's important to make it clear that it's the arms and eyes that are different, not the jutsu. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:46, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, though I it might be better to put the qualfiers on his own page, or added to the list. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 20:59, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * The distinction on the page should be good enough. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:04, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I for one don't quite necessarily think that Kisame should be qualified as a mutant. I mean, there isn't really any proof. So he may look different from everyone else - that doesn't necessarily qualify as a mutation. Hinōmaru-sensei (日の丸先生) 21:20, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly as above user said. Side note, everyone in the real world is a "mutant" just not to the same degree. - S im A nt 21:22, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

There could be a number of different reasons these people look different, that doesn't mean its a mutation.--Deva 27 (talk) 21:25, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. There are tons of mutants, heck the fact that I am not lactose intolerant makes me a mutant (seriously), so I guess it should be clarified as notable mutations. On that note though, blue skin and gills, etc. means that there is one seriously big difference going on, especially with all the other stuff which indicates a lot of differences. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 21:29, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does. There is nothing wrong with it, but yes, you are a mutant.  At a rate of about 10 million of your cells replicating their DNA and dividing at any time, there's basically no possible way for any person to not have any mutations whatsoever.  They just don't have any affect.  (Chill, I'm lactose-intolerant also.  Lactase pills save my life, 'cause I couldn't live without ice cream, cake, pizza, In-n-Out, etc.)  And it is possible that Kisame was born as a regular human, but something about wielding the Samehada changing his appearance and physical attributes.  This would not make him a true mutant.  --Justentizang (talk) 22:03, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Spacing
The double spacing between paragraphs is bad, it's almost like the bug in the RTE that inserted loads of spaces when editing. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:48, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Writing habit, I find that it easier to read stuff if it is not all packed together. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 20:55, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Eyes
Can I start adding those people that have unusual eyes to the list? And NO, I AM NOT talking about the BYAKUGAN, SHARINGAN, or other doujutsu. Just people who were born with radically different eyes and faces (cited). Perhaps under a Minor Mutation list? Afterall, it may seem small, but if one bit of DNA is different, what else may be (i.e. Orochimaru was a tad unusual) Thomas Finlayson (talk) 21:00, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mmm, not sure. This is a manga afterall, weird eyes and hair are common. If we include little things like his eyes, we'll have to list Kurenai's eyes, and stuff like Sakura's pink hair. Doesn't seem worth it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:04, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hair can be put down as dye for all we know. What I am more interested in is stuff like yellow eyes (two from Konoha, Orochimaru and a guy cited) or eyes that seem have no iris or pupil (cited), and other more notable things. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 21:08, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sakura must be very patient then, bothering to dye her eyebrows. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:21, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...you got me. Save the hair for later then, and deal with one mutation at a time? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 21:22, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Credibility
Where the manga, databooks, or anime have there been any indication of mutations. I don't want to hear some real world connotations, I want in-universe stuff to prove these are mutations and not jutsu related.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:53, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Jugo is the main one, they said how he had a special enzyme that allowed him to do all of these abilities; thus his power came not from learned jutsu but a natural biological accident. Moreover, here and there you keep seeing people with unusual physiological aspects that have never been explain (Kidōmaru is merely the most drastic) which haves not been indicated to be part of any jutsu since we have seen no indication that the use of jutsu would cause these modifications.

Essentially, I am trying to explain and classify those who show unusual natural abilities, but have not been classified as Kekkei Genkai.
 * No one has ever said anything about these people having mutations.--Deva 27 (talk) 22:00, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not 'said' correct, but heavily implied in some cases that something was off. Put another way, how would you explain it, because that is what I am trying to do? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 22:02, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Jugo seems to be the only one that fits this "mutation" thing. Everyone else however, at the very least, seem jutsu related. Kisame, Samehada, Shark Skin, shark appearance, merging with Samehada to make even more Shark Kisame. Kidomaru, potentially related with his Cursed Seal, or body modifications via Orochimaru's experiments.
 * Basically, one example (Jugo) does not seem to be enough to assume the existence of mutants. Not when the Narutoverse exists in a world where great oddities are not exactly uncommon.--TheUltimate3 (talk)
 * If Kidomaru got this from experimentations, would it not be said? Moreover, would it not be done a lot more? Think for a few seconds about the taijutsu he did with 6 arms and now imagine an army of people like him. As for Kisame, you speak as he was named after a shark and then started to look like a shark (the sword would have been unpredictable). Is it not more likely that he was born like this and his mom (after the screaming) noted he looked like a shark?

Moreover, the fact that Nagato was mistaken as a mutant indicates that these occurances are not too uncommon. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 22:09, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * @Kidomaru comment: Not necessarily. A lot of things can go unsaid. Doesn't make them a mutant.
 * @Kisame comment: Not going to assume anything. Knowledge on character naming is enough for me to make a guess on why he was named "Demon Shark". That in itself still does not gander a claim to mutation.
 * @Nagato's Rinnegan, which I except was the target of this mutation comment, IS uncommon. The legendary eyes of the first ninja, appearing on some random orphan. That is uncommon. Jutsu related body modifications however, are not.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 22:14, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Clarify last point please. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 22:16, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Very well. The Rinnegan is special. Really really special. So special it has only been seen once before Pain, in the Sage of the Six Paths. The Sage is already considered a myth to modern day ninja, so when they look at Pain's Rinnegan, they see just some strange odd mutation of some eye jutsu.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 22:20, June 4, 2010 (UTC)