Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-33485854-20180625233306/@comment-734582-20180628130435

Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: @thekillman what makes u believe the opposite of what i said? Show me where it says the Shinju spread chakra over the land. Because the only info we have on what the Shinju actually did, is from the Anime, where it drained the lands of chakra. Nature energy is the energy in the air, earth, water, sunlight. Chakra is a power obtained from the fruit. It's not the same thing.

Georgio722 wrote: So Hag's Chakra didn't create the Rinnegan, instead it's because of Hag's Chakra it gave the user the ability to utilise ??? Energy better, which created the Rinnegan. I'm basing this on the fact that getting the Rinnegan gives you a better understanding of Chakra Natures and stuff. Hagoromo's case is similar to the Biju/Juubi. The juubi's power was split among the 9 biju, but when rejoined that power is rejoined too. Hagoromo's power was split among his children, and when those lineages are rejoined that power is too. Just as no particular Biju is necessary to recreate a TSB, no particular son is necessary to recreate the Rinnegan. Chakra is a term that only got vaguer over time, because Biju are said to be made of pure chakra even though they behave in un-chakra-like ways. E.g. Reaper Death Seal works on them (implying they're spirits/souls at least), which already means they're not 100% chakra. But then, chakra can also behave in a soul-like way (e.g. Minato, Kushina), blurring the lines.

But, my best bet is simply that it means power here: Recreating hagoromo's power is what awakens the Rinnegan, which is his power explicitly. It doesn't require never-before-seen energies and whatnot.

A complete understand would require a complete understanding of the nature of chakra and the soul, which doesn't exist.

Georgio722 wrote: I was under the impression that you need a Sharingan to get a Rinnegan. So I guess a prerequisite would've been a better term than an evolution. Madara proved that they are mutually exclusive (he can't have both Sharingan and Rinnegan active at the same time), so it makes no sense that you'd need an eye you can't use for another eye. It's just coincidence that the guy with a Sharingan got a Rinnegan. And by the time Naruto and Sasuke came around, Hagoromo actually liked the power split, so regardless he would've reinforced that idea. By giving one Rinnegan and the other SPSM, he would ensure that cooperation was necessary for defeating Madara/Kaguya and undoing IT.