Talk:Shamon

Deletion
He looks the same as the statue. ~SnapperTo 07:18, September 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I get that he looks like Nidaime Kazekage and all but we don't know for sure. He even has the tuft of hair. The only thing we have to base it off is that the Second Hokage, Raikage and Tsuchikage are there. But there's a simple reason we can't add him: Orochimaru's lookalike (so cool btw) is not the Second Mizukage, Captain Awesome is.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 07:19, September 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks like a duck and quacks like a duck. At worst: keep the page, ditch the image. ~SnapperTo 07:23, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Switch the image, trivia his appearance at Summit. I just think we err on the side of caution no matter how obvious it may be here. We'd have to say the Second Mizukage was absent, why him of all people? Although Kiri has a shady past, it invites too much speculation. --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 07:25, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

I think it's highly likely that he is the second Kazekage considering the context of the conversation was about the future role of the kage in uniting/cooperating with all shinobi and the fact that the 2nd hokage,2nd raikage and 2nd tsuchikage are shown during the same conversation enforces the idea of him being the next kazekage aswell that he looks similar to the 2nd kazekage statue. I believe that the 1st mizukage's "bodygaurd" is the 3rd mizukage but i understand people being unsure about him considering there's been no details given prior to his first appearance in this chapter.

~Bio havik~

firstly why would there even be a third mizukage there??? secondly that is definitely the second kazekage. Common sense... his head, eye and hair shape are all eexactly the same AND he was chosen to accompany the first kazekage.. we all know this is clearly only the second kage candidates here with the first kages. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 08:38, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

Take a look at the statue of the Second Kazekage, they are similiar. They are both bald, same eye shape. Side note, that Orochimaru lookalike is prob the 2nd mizuage, why would Maasashi be that random to add the 2nd hokage,tsuchikage and raikage and not the 2nd kaze and mizu kate? (Sasori35 (talk) 10:01, September 25, 2013 (UTC))


 * Looking at this picture, from an entirely literary standpoint, that must be the Second Kazekage. Looking around the room we see the confirmed Second Hokage, Raikage and Tsuchikage. Considering we know what the Second Kazekage looks like it would be completely illogical of Kishimoto to create a new guy that looks exactly like the statue.
 * The Mizukage looks nothing like the Second Mizukage or anyone from to Hōzuki clan, so that one is more iffy. But I'm leaning Third Mizukage because (again from a literary standpoint) we have one generation of Mizukage missing and we've seen the Second.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 10:19, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Basically what I'm getting at is everyone attending the First Five Kage Summit would at one point in their lives be a Kage coming from a literary standpoint.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 10:20, September 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't say it is 2nd Mizukage, but rather 2nd Mizukage Candidate. The Orochimaru-lookalike (as you are calling him) may have been the candidate for the role of Second Mizukage (and in my opinion he may even be one of, or even first of, the Seven Swordsmen, but that's only my own speculation, and wish), but he should have died prior to First's death, and thus the member of Hozuki clan was selected to become the Second. We have no idea about the lives of Kages at this time, it were grim times, and Kiri was even more grim than others. This guy may simply die before his ascension to the rank. --VolteMetalic (talk) 10:23, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

Why is the page up for deletion? Is it too short? The picture is obviously the Second Kazekage, look at his statue - they both have the distinctive bald head with square chin. In the chapter, the ones with Shodai Kages are candidates. Pesa123456789 (talk) 11:05, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you Pesa; he has the distinct bald head and his nose is the same, with the square chin as well. I do not believe this article should be deleted at all. --Senjuto (talk) 12:13, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

I for one think we need to keep it. It's too close of a resemblance not the be the Second Kazekage. Zelwolf (talk) 12:31, September 25, 2013 (UTC)Zelwolf