Talk:Rinnegan

Sasuke's Rinnegan
The general impression in the fandom is that Sasuke's Rinnegan is a special one and that's how we treat it here on the wiki. I think it's time to challenge this view once and for all. Sasuke doesn't really have a tomoed Rinnegan, he has the same Rinnegan as Hagoromo and Madara, the tomoe in his Rinnegan is his Sharingan, this was clearly demonstrated in Gaiden, where we saw his Rinnegan without tomoe, and when he activated Mangekyou Sharingan, the tomoe appeared. It was made very apparent.

The Rinnegan NEVER has tomoe. If there's tomoe, then it's either the Rinne Sharingan, or the user is using both the Rinnegan and Sharingan simultaneously. The main reason why the fandom believes that Sasuke's Rinnegan is a special tomoed Rinnegan, is because of the misconception that Sharingan and Rinnegan are evolutions/stages/forms/progressions of each other. With the introduction of Kaguya and Rinne Sharingan, this was proven wrong and the scenes of Sasuke in Gaiden are even more evidence.--Elve Talk Page 18:15, June 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * We don't treat Sasuke's Rinnegan as special. I made sure that his article explicitely states that the tomoe are from his Sharingan. • Seelentau 愛 議 18:16, June 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * The picture Sasuke's Rinnegan at full power is misleading though, it implies that the tomoe are the standard way his Rinnegan is supposed to look and that when they are not there. the Rinnegan is not at full power.--Elve Talk Page 18:23, June 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * True, I probably overlooked that^^ • Seelentau 愛 議 18:25, June 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it was kept like that because it was stated in gaiden that when Sasuke uses his portal to dimension jump, his visual power weakens, and that was the reason why his Rinnegan looked like the standard version. Sasuke Rinnegan is unique, but it isn't special in any way besides his teleportation ability. So I'd assume not only it was an oversight, but also for that reason. But the wiki never treated it special as I've seen.--— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 22:47, June 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * His Rinnegan didn't weaken, his chakra levels dropped considerably, hence why the tomoe disappeared, the tomoe being Sharingan.--Elve Talk Page 23:25, June 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * Aren't the tomoe part of the EMS? I see you made a similar edit on Sasuke's article, Tau. As a matter of fact, were the tomoe ever stated to be from the EMS, or was that a visual deduction from what was shown? 19:59, June 16, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, someone reminded me of my values, so I changed it. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:06, June 16, 2018 (UTC)
 * Isn't visual deduction just stating something without using words? Why would the tomoe in his Rinnegan appear/disappear along with the Mangekyou in his other eye, if it weren't the Sharingan in fact?--Elve Talk Page 22:00, June 16, 2018 (UTC)
 * Who knows? It's not confirmed so I removed it. • Seelentau 愛 議 22:12, June 16, 2018 (UTC)
 * @Elve, visual deduction is the act of (in this case, us) drawing inferences based on what is seen, or what is shown without any verbal affirmations. There's nothing wrong with it, we do it all the time here on this wiki, since usually what is displayed in the manga is clear. I was just wondering if the tomoe on Sasuke's Rinnegan originating from his EMS was explicitly stated, but it doesn't appear it was. It may or may not have been shown, but it's unconfirmed according to Tau. 01:03, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

red Rinnegan
Looks like I was correct once again... there is no such thing as red Rinnegan. Momoshiki's Rinnegan is the ordinary color, as shown on official artwork. It's red only when he uses his technique.--Elve Talk Page 13:03, July 19, 2018 (UTC)

Though why do most Rinnegan users keep a purple Rinnegan when a technique is being used then? There’s also no reason as to why it goes red in the first place when Momoshiki uses a technique. Gavin The Otter (talk) 17:49, July 19, 2018 (UTC)
 * I believe Elve's argument is for when Momoshiki specifically uses Takamimusubinokami to absorb/release jutsu. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:29, July 19, 2018 (UTC)
 * Exactly sir.--Elve Talk Page 22:00, July 19, 2018 (UTC)
 * It's also red in other occasions. • Seelentau 愛 議 22:30, July 19, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, but my point is that even after all his eyes turned golden, his Rinnegan changed back to red when he was doing stuff, meaning the red color isn't its default state, but rather an effect of something he does with the eyes.--Elve Talk Page 09:11, July 20, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, after he transformed, that is certainly the case. • Seelentau 愛 議 12:09, July 20, 2018 (UTC)