Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150530210611/@comment-5936871-20150611024505

@QuakingStar That doesn't change the fact that Sage Mode probably wasn't even thought of at that point, so even if Jiraiya was equal to a sick Itachi in Part 1, in Part 2 when Sage Mode was introduced and Jiraiya had Fukasaku and Shima as well as the other toad summons to help him I say he would have a much better chance at beating Itachi then. Even with his susanoo, I don't see Itachi countering that sound-based genjutsu that Fukasaku and Shima have or Jiraiya's Sage Art: Ultra Big-Ball Rasengan or his Wild Lion's Mane hair jutsu that could restrain Pain's giant crab summon. Jiraiya would be fast enough to avoid the totsuka blade and the yata mirror only defends against nature transformations, and even if it could counter his rasengan. He cannot maintain it for very long at all, and he would shorten his lifespan by using it. He could use tsukuyomi and amaterasu, but Jiraiya has shown that he can counter amaterasu and the two toad sages should be able to break him out of the genjutsu or Jiraiya can simply not look in his eyes since he becomes a sensor in Sage Mode. So that's why I believe that SM Jiraiya could beat MS Itachi, but I don't think Orochimaru could beat MS Izuna even though he's featless simply because he was equal to MS Madara. While Tsunade obviously can't take Obito cause he's too fast for her.