Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36394790-20180824122210/@comment-33286580-20180905054901

Okay...

Let's try to give my view on this without diving so deep into Naruto vs Sasuke debate (seeing that those 2 are perfect examples of said power it will be hard not to but i will try)...

EMS -

The power of the EMS is never letting one's eyes go blind from over use of MS. And a boost in chakra....... and nothing else.

Yes. Nothing else.

PS is not a power of EMS. no matter what everyone wants to say. the prime example is Sasuke himself. Yes, Sasuke awakened the PS, but it was not because of EMS. Sasuke already possessed the EMS before he could get into the war, but at that time he couldnt even make a full body Susanoo. to even produce a full body Susanoo he needed the chakra boost from Naruto something whihch is shown to boost an individuals level up the roof (remember Hinata trashing away an arm of Jubi with a basic air palm and fodder level Nara shinobi actually restraining the Jubi).

PS to me is a natural progression. one goes from skeletal stage, to a cloaked half body, to full body, to cloaked PS and then PS. it can be done in probably MS stage too. the thing that will be able to make it possible is huge amounts of chakra. since it is also shown that one does not need eyes or activate MS once Susanoo is unlocked all one needs is Chkara and huge amount of it.

it is one of the reasons why Sasuke at the start of the war did not have PS. he needed the boost from the RInnegan and Rikudo Chakra to even get to that stage. he would probably in future would have succeeded at it, but the future would be far off.

Given the amount of Chakra required to even unlock PS, only likes of Madara and Sasuke could achieve it. they are the incarnations of Indra and thus are above any other Uchiha.

Yes, Obito too achieved PS, but he too at that point possessed Rikudo Chakra, meaning butt loads of Chakra.

No normal Uchiha, even those who possess EMS should be unable to unlock PS given the sheer amounts of CHakra required to unlock it.

Onto something other that PS, as in special Jutsu of the MS. Yeah, those can be now used freely, but dont forget that those too require high amounts of Chakra to be used. there is a limit to the amount of CHakra an Uchiha would possess. he can't just spam those jutsu. maybe three to four uses and that would be it.

Perfected SM --

It gives over all boost in all stats. Strenght, Speed, Stamina, Perception, etc. It boosts Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, and Taijutsu. and manipulate nature energy.

Now Naruto as many pointed out was Chunin level at best before Kakuzu fight, which i definitely agree too, was around low tier Jonin level before going for Sage training. when he did return he was high tier Kage level (remember he actually defeated Third Raikage in SM). the difference in power level is obvious.

onto Ninjutsu Genjutsu and Taijutsu power up.

remember Naruto is no Tsunade in any regards in Shippuden, yet he destroys (tears it into pieces) a Pein body with a single punch, that's the sheer increase in strnght.

Naruto cannot be taken up as power up in Ninjutsu, because he was already using Rasengan an A-rank jutsu since the first part, yet his Rasenshuriken which hurt shinobi on cellular level more or less disentegrated them in SM. its like one of the example given above (i dont know exact words but) it sets a match fire into a wildfire that engulfs a forest

For Genjutsu take Kabuto. the guy was using Tayuya's Genjutsu on Itachi and Sasuke. the same genjutsu that in part 1 Shikamaru broke off by simply breaking finger and yet here it ensnared 2 Sharingan users, one of which was termed the best Genjutsu user, to the the point that the only way they found of breaking themselves was to capture each other in Sharingan Genjutsu and make them feel pain (and we know how haxxed Sharingan anything had become in part 2).

also about the time limit that everyone loves to talk about. Dont forget, Jiraiya had Ma and Pa fused with him to use SM limitlessly. Naruto only couldnt do so because of Kurama, but by war Kurama seemed to have no problem and bet now he can easily use Ma and Pa for unlimited SM. hell Kurama also seems to capable of amassing Nature Energy which he showcased in the last fight. i bet there is also some ways in which Snake Sage can continuously use SM. kabuto found his way after all.

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the thing is in terms of EMS, Madara and Sasuke are outright bad examples powerscaling wise given they are Indra reincarnations. they are leagues above any Uchiha in power. we have to take a general understanding from them and not their general power in it.

Naruto too in that sense is a bad example, given that he is Ashura reincarnation, but remember only those with huge amounts of chakra can actually learn SM. it is not for everyone to begin with. Jiraiya and Minato had huge amounts of Chakra and Kabuto after taking Orochimaru's body and everyone elses Chakra he too had huge amounts of it.,

SO yeah Perfected Sage beats EMS