Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-44455926-20191119200613/@comment-9782468-20191123221056

@Lolislayer

Yeah, I've never seen it said that the Raikage was almost as fast as light. And it's not noted on his page either.

Naruto did face a stronger Pain. He faced 5 all at once. Jiraiya faced three, then immediately got injured when number 4 showed up, which means they do have strength in numbers.

How do you know Nagato was closer during Jiraiya's fight? Nagato specifically came close to the Leaf during the invasion disguised as a tree, close enough that Naruto could just run over to him.

If Pain was stronger with less Pains, then Nagato would only use one Pain.

Naruto surprised the Asura Path because he was that much stronger and faster. Also, he put the path down, unlike with Choji. Choji hurt him, but the Asura Path was still able to move.

Idk why you keep citing the fact that Naruto didn't face the strongest path at first. Jiraiya never even faced him at all, so there's no comparison.

His Sage Mode is still much weaker, no matter how much of it he has.

No, Jiraiya couldn't just stalemate Naruto with Ma and Pa. Because Naruto, with SM, has the advantage in speed, strength, Taijutsu, sensing, and Ninjutsu power. It would be a hard struggle for either side.

I never said you said Jiraiya was a better Sage. I was clarifying the "surpassing Jiraiya" thing you brought up. He surpassed him in Sage Mode specifically. Just like how Naruto was said to have surpassed Kakashi after defeating Kakuzu. Kakashi obviously would still beat him in a one on one, but Naruto at that point surpassed Kakashi in their Ninjutsu power.

Anyways, like I said in my first sentence in this thread, who wins in their effectiveness as combatants is debatable since Naruto had advantages that Jiraiya did not during their bouts against Pain. But in raw physical attributes, Naruto is far better at that point.