Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-29393962-20161111215453/@comment-734582-20170114125826

Ravenlot 27 wrote: I mean, there wasn't any single person shown to awaken Rinnegan plain from the regular human eyes. Statistical Bias. There's only one person who naturally awoke Rinnegan aside from Hagoromo, and that's Madara. Hashirma and Madara's relation seemed to be fairly unique, leading to Madara being an easy target for BZ.

Ravenlot 27 wrote: Yeah, we were told by Hagoromo that Rinnegan components are Indra chakra + Asura chakra, yet we should look somewhat beyong it. If it's actually so simple, then why didn't person like Naruto manifest it after receiving Hagoromo's chakra? Because Hagoromo didn't want to repeat his mistake of one person getting everything. Naruto with Rinnegan would go against Hagoromo's entire "one person should not have too much power" belief.

Ravenlot 27 wrote: Besides, @Thekillman, the word "prerequisite" is the most fitting here. If you need prerequisite SM to awaken Hagoromo's SPSM, then why it's impossible to need some prerequisite doujutsu like Sharingan to awaken Hagoromo's doujutsu, Rinnegan? Because SPSM is a learned ability, whereas a Dojutsu isn't. It also fits the "natural power" vs "learned power" narrative.

Ravenlot 27 wrote: Also, I should add that Black Zetsu mainly used Uchiha clan to fulfil his goals (thus Indra manipulated and their tablet rewritten), so it automatically means that most of his hopes were on Indra's reincarnates rather than Asura's. The curse of hatred makes the uchiha easier to goad into taking Senju power, it doesn't mean only they can use Rinnegan.

Ravenlot 27 wrote: And it makes sense for Hagoromo's descendants with doujutsu prowess to awake his visual power We know that rinnegan awakens when Indra and Ashura chakra is mixed, to recreate Hagoromo's chakra. This canon explanation directly means both transmigrants can awaken Rinnegan. We know little about SPSM's true nature, but it seems to me that both transmigrants can learn Sage Mode (Sasuke, an Indra transmigrant, was compatible with curse marks. Madara, an indra transmigrant, could easily steal hashirama's Sage Mode, a hereto never before seen feat).

The "SPSM= body power, Rinnegan= eye power" theme between transmigrants is just fans seeing more thematics than there really were. I am completely aware that i myself forwarded such a theory earlier, but in light of more information (specifically, Sasuke's Naruto Gaiden appearance), it's clear to me that it's a wrong theory. I don't know if Hashirama's Sage Mode is a mere chance thing, or if Kishimoto changed his mind and steered to a more "SPSM = body power" theme. it's clear that Hagoromo accepted the difference, or rather realized that merging the two branches creates trouble (People trying to merge the branches: Madara, Orochimaru, Obito. People that were troublemakers: those exact same people).

Georgio722 wrote: The thing is, we've seen Sasuke having the Tomoe Rinnegan with a regular Sharingan at the same time, which means it's not connected to the Mangekyo Sharingan. The tomoe on his Rinnegan merely indicate the Sharingan power is present. If he overuses his MS, the tomoe fade and he can't use it's powers. Thus, the Rinnegan's tomoe indicate the presence of Sharingan powers. Georgio722 wrote: I thought it's stated that his Rinnegan is not at its full power? Kishimoto has never been very diligent with his terminology. For some reason, even though it's clearly a different kind of eye, Sasuke's eye is just called a "rinnegan". Thus technically, without Tomoe his Rinnegan is not at "full power".

Georgio722 wrote: That might be true, but I thought Kabuto openly stated that the Rinnegan naturally comes after the Sharingan, and Madara didn't say otherwise. They only theorized as such, but it's clear that Kabuto's theory was false. The existence of Transmigrants means his theory is wrong (you can't just merge Uchiha and Senju flesh, you need transmigrants). It's also logical in-universe for him to think it considering Madara is the only successful natural awakening of the Rinnegan, but it's statistical bias: it's not just that only one Uchiha succeeded, we only know of one person who tried, and it was an uchiha.