Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34436445-20180904175938/@comment-5085906-20180909091516

LoneNinja wrote: @Grave

'''Momoshiki never lifted a finger against Sasuke in that first battle. So Kinshiki did it all on his own.'''

You can try and bs all you want. But Kishimoto made Kinshiki's speed very clear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kzyf7vHzrA Their fight says it all. Kinshiki = Sasuke in speed. In overall physical power, he takes the cake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63OO99e6uZA Also shows he was sealed away by not just those two, but with Sasuke as well. In all the anime, manga, and movie it shows this. So you can't sit here and talk about fallacy when you're making the biggest one saying only those two. '''The movie which Kishimoto made, shows he could break free from it even still. Why Kodachi didn't let him, you would have to ask him'''. But Kishimoto says he can, since he wrote him doing so. So he can. It took Sasuke, Chojuro, and Kurotsuchi to seal him away. '''What about any kage paired with Sasuke says the opponent is as weak as you make him out to be? All it would take to beat Hashirama is just Sasuke.''' Sasuke couldn't solo Kinshiki and was being pushed back while Chojuro and Kuro came in to help. Enough said. Momoshiki never lifted a finger, but Sasuke was low on chakra and is smart enough to have understood those were the people Kaguya was worried about. He only escaped once he saw that he was being ganged on.

Also, I am not bullshitting, I'm making my point. I thought this was what Versus Debates were supposed to be about. And I understand that Kinshiki's speed was superb when he was first introduced, but where did that speed go when he fought Kurotsuchi and Chojuro? Let me give you a rundown of how that fight went - he briefly took on Sasuke in close combat, then Chojuro attacked him from behind, then he clashed swords with Chojuro before injuring him then Kurotsuchi punched him a few feet away. The only thing Sasuke contributed in this fight was using Chidori to stop him from taking off and allowing Kurotsuchi to seal him. He had no excuse for that poor performance; he had barely used his chakra during Momoshiki's attack and there was no mention of him being low on it. Actually, if I remember correctly, he got caught by Shikamaru's Shadow during that arena attack, which is just more evidence that his sensing and speed are barely a factor or rather an inconsistency.

As for Kinshiki breaking the mold, the screenplay for Boruto The Movie was written by both Kishimoto and Kodachi, so that particular scene could have been written by either one of them. And while both the movie and the manga are rife with inconsistencies, I'm gonna trust a 10 chapter manga arc more than a 1 and a half hour movie which had to remove and crop a lot of scenes in order to satisfy it's limited runtime. Which one would you trust; The Last's depiction of Naruto's KCM or the War Arc's depiction of Naruto's KCM? And while, yes, current Sasuke can easily beat Hashirama, I don't believe for once that he can do it with the jutsu he showed when he fought Kinshiki. Hashirama would Buddha pimpslap his Chidori away before he even got the chance to use it.

But yeah, let's agree to disagree. You're getting too jittery and I don't want this debate to escalate any further. SM Hashirama wins this with mid to high difficulty.