Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20170812140947/@comment-24824859-20170829205937

Killer723 wrote: But TTJ is faster then Kamui, as we seen in fight against Madara.

However Kaguya got caught by Kamui raikiri, Kaguya didn't expect that. while if not Obito who knows kamui better then him.

Yet that technique was created By kakashi himself. And kakashi probably won't even have a chance to use it in same way he did on Kaguya, since Obito avoid close combat with knowing that his intangibility Kamui part is useless. but still i believe that Obito will be able to press Kakashi for more then 5 Minutes, dodge Kamui attacks and win this fight.

EDIT: Obito can also fly, and move much faster then Kakashi , Kamui Susano is his best bet to keep up with Obito. Ummm, what? We've seen that when both eyes are active, Kamui is much faster than a TSB Kakashi was still in Kaguya's sight right before jumping straight for her with Kamui Raikiri. This suggests that Kakashi is much faster what you are suggesting. Knowing about Kamui didn't prevent Obito from getting tricked by Kakashi using Kamui. Knowing about the technique isn't enough to fight against it Yeah, no. Obito is not pressing Kakashi to use Kamui for more than 5 minutes. Nothing is preventing Kakashi from either Kamui'ing Obito's TSBs, Kamui Raikir'ing Obito, or straight up Kamui'ing Obito Kakashi's feat suggest otherwise Vladosauros wrote: Well, there are actually plenty of ways for Obito to win. Unlike Kaguya, Obito knows exactly how Kamui works, so he won't be taken by surprise like she did. If Kakashi touches a TSB he is done for. True, the Kamui will help him in this situation for obvious reasons, but one misstep and it goes bad for him.Obito was as well ridiculously fast as TTJ, it took BSM Naruto and senjutsu-EMS Sasuke a while to accommodate to his movements. He is faster than Kakashi. That feat when he hit Kaguya was more like Kaguya getting fooled by Kamui and taken by surprise. Obito knowing about Kamui didn't prevent Kakashi from outsmarting him with.........Kamui. In this case, Obito has no access to the technique, so he can't even nullify Kakashi's use of Kamui. Kakashi knows about the mechanics of TSBs and can easily send Obito's to the Kamui dimension. Once he is out of TSBs, there's not much Obito can do aside from using his own jutsus. DMS Kakashi is much faster than BSM Naruto and EMS Sasuke. True, she was taken by surprised, but she was still very much on-guard (unlike the Sexy Reverse Harem incident). So Kakashi moved too fast for Kaguya to react Crazylazyguy wrote: I find it really odd when people say that somebody was killing/beating/fighting off(or anything) else somebody really powerful based on a single attack/punch/cut or whatever. She almost stabbed him while he was in PS and had Kamui at full speed with empowered chakra, Kakashi got really lucky with the activation of Kamui. And the only reason for him to cut her was because she had no idea how Kamui works. I am not saying Kakashi is weak or anything like that, but saying that hhe fought off Kaguya at her max speed and strength is really wrong.. You would have a point if I was ignoring context. At that time, Kaguya absorbed chakra from the victims of IT which increased her strength and speed. Kakashi straight up blitzed Kaguya (something that Sasuke has failed to do......multiple times). Based on this feat, Kakashi is faster than Obito. Kakashi didn't get lucky, he simply reacted to Kaguya's All-Killing Ash Bone. Madara knew about Kamui, yet he didn't anticipate his hand going through Obito when he tried to stab him (what is up with the hand stabs in the final arc). Simply knowing about Kamui isn't enough to defeat a user. I'll admit that saying Kakashi fought off Kaguya was an exaggeration Vladosaurus wrote: I mean, Kaguya was able to react to Sasuke's ameno when they were in the high-gravity dimension. And you literally can't go any faster than Sasuke. You can't go any faster than instant. Yet she still was able to react to him. So yeah, it's odd that she couldn't react to Kakashi, and even more odd if we consider black zetsu's statement: "she gained even more power" or something like that. Kamui must've seriously throw her off.Kakashi is not as fast as Obito by a long shot, and Obito won't get fooled by Kamui. I told you this before and I'm going to tell you again:
 * Teleportation is instant, but what you do before and after teleportation isn't

Kaguya didn't react to teleportation (which is instant), she reacted to Sasuke attempting to strike her right after he teleported. So, it's not at all odd that she reacted to Sasuke's Ameno/Chidori combo, but not to Kakashi's Kamui Raikiri. It simply means that the latter was too fast for her to react, which shows that Kakashi is faster than Obito. Kakashi phasing through the All-Killing Ash Bone didn't throw-off Kaguya, it simply caught her by surprised but she was still on-guard. Obito has been fooled by Kakashi's Kamui despite using an aspect of it for over 2 decades. In this fight, Obito doesn't have access to Kamui to nullify Kakashi's Kamui. So, like I said, Kakashi wins