Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-28203534-20160509153448/@comment-26866422-20160511204015

I would say Hashirama, but Jiraiya wouldnt go down easily. First to acknowledge..i dont think that anyone who hasnt got 100 pages in manga, can really be shown as the one who has shown everything.

I really hate Kishi for making more, but not proving anything. It means he said this or that or written that, but never backed it up. We have seen Jiraiya use doton and katon, he has wind and water as well but never used it.

Hashirama wouldnt win this easily. Granted larger chakra, but same speed, same intelligence, same stamina or to say Hashirama has more stamina. I think that since Hashirama used mokuton at most, that he knows other jutsus as well, but cant take them into account as well. Mokuton is powerful, but i think that Katon:Gamayu endan would be equal to Jokai Koutan, when they clash togheter.