Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26358288-20150620214155/@comment-26537507-20150627132341

I'd say Oro wins the first one with some difficulty. I might be overestimating him here but he held his own against 4 tailed Naruto without the use of his arms, so I think he could handle Pain. He might be on the defensive at first but I think he would be able to figure out how Pain/Rinnegan works quite easily and come up with a plan to defeat him.

I'd say the second fight depends completely on Hiruzen's age and whether or not he knows about Kakuzu's hearts. Old Hiruzen with no knowledge might take out a couple of hearts but will ultimately lose. With knowledge he might get down to the last heart or beat Kakuzu altogether. Prime Hiruzen should be able to handle Kakuzu with or without knowledge.