Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36528625-20180810001142/@comment-6769189-20180811031039

CombatIQmatters wrote: @LegionZero,

well lets put that to the test. naruto already defeated Nagato from a strategic perspective when he fought Pain when he had full knowledge on his side. Most of his kills against the pains were through outsmarting nagato. He has full intel he could summon his frogs again to counter his summons. ma knows about the chameleon. Chakra arms counter shinra tensei and bansho tenin like they already did a few times in the manga. Multiple rasenshurikens can most certaintly stop chibaku tensei. Naruto took out 5 of the 6 paths and immediately lost to the Deva Path

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Bee can't beat nagato by himself but with naruto together they can take him. He got washed easily due to lack of intel with naruto filling him in it would have been different. How exactly? this isnt like the 6PoP where the abilities are completely taken off the table. Nagato can use them all at once.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

How does nagato counter a non PIS naruto who has shown the ability to use strategies such as using shadow-shuriken jutsu on rasenshurikens? Preta Path

CombatIQmatters wrote:

he throws multiples with chakra arms, nagato uses shinra tensei, then there rasenshurikens in their shadow as 5 second cool down begins Nagato is forced to try and absorb them, but what do you know? they were all transformation jutsu. Why would he use Shinra Tensei? he has the Preta Path, which would absorb the Shadow Clones

CombatIQmatters wrote:

sage mode naruto clones appear and use frog kata punches that should be able to obliterate nagato, even in ashura form. Proof frog Kata would hurt Ashura Nagato? Last i checked Naruto was limited to like, 5 clones while in Sage Mode, who all need time to gather chakra.

He could also just shoot them with lasers and rockets or use Shinra Tensei after this has happened, dispelling all the clones.

CombatIQmatters wrote: And there is even things like food cart destroyer that naruto has been shown to use. If naruto has outsmarted him in the past, what suddenly has changed? Shinra Tensei. Nagato's own summons

CombatIQmatters wrote:

If naruto used shadow clones against nagato after he was caught the clones would kill the chameleon and then one could use sage mode frog kata to free naruto from nagato's grip. The same Naruto who needed his hands to prevent his soul from being stolen?

As for the clones, they would need time to enter Sage Mode and boy Nagato would not let them have it.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

naruto basically was caught by a sleight of hand trick, he hadn't seen the summon before nor did he see the human path before. but naruto without PIS and the circumstances of having already used kage bunshin would have done much better, especially if he made the clone that beat the third raikage. He couldn't use Sage mode and KCM at the same time when he fought Nagato

Nagato would just absorb the shadow clones. or one shot them, because they die in one shot. Lets not forget that the 3rdRaikage wasnt at his strongest and that Naruto needed help in that fight too. also 3rd Raikage would get merced by Nagato. easy.