Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36006024-20180926134241/@comment-28568301-20181001081905

I loled at the fact that OP doesn't even care and leave this thread but I'm gonna answer.

Yes It's true. Hashirama is the strongest of Ashura's transmigrant, simply because he has superior genetic power and talent. 1st: Let's not all say that his power comes from "training". the very fact that his regeneration ability is so OP and in his cell prove that it's genetic. 2nd: Wood release, which when combined with his ridiculous vitality made him OP as fuck. 3rd: Part of his power and talent comes from being Asura's transmigrant. Let's not delude ourself here. Without being Asura's transmigrant, he'll likely only be as strong as Tobirama. Being transmigrant matters. All of these is not outside power, as the OP proclaimed. TRUE! But does it matter? No. Why? Because at the end of the day, outside forces made Hashirama that powerful, that is his luck to be born that powerful.

And let us not shit at Naruto for using Kurama's charkra. The fact that he can synchronize with him is still his own talent and effort. The fact that he can match Kurama's chakra into his own and distribute it to the rest of the shinobi alliance (and save the alliance) shows his own strength. The very fact that he can use it without going fucking insane now, destroying Kurama's hatred, is a show of his strength. Otherwise He'll burn whenever he use that power. Despite the OP dismissing it as "just Kurama Chakra" it is not. Can Hashirama uses that same powersource like Naruto can? Can madara? No. That's why it's his own power. It's not a stretch to say that without Kurama and all that power-up, Naruto will still find a way to be powerful.

Also Obito, since OP bring it up. The fact that he can use Hashirama's cells without going full trees, like Danzo, shows his strength. Not everyone can control that cell. The fact that he doesn't get ripped apart by ten tails and successfully become a jinchuuriki still shows his strength. No doubt that if Obito survive the 3rd ninja war and go back to Konoha, he'll still find a way to become as strong as his adult self.

Even Sasuke (and God I hate to be the one to defend him). He's talented (not as talented as Itachi sure, but Itachi was way below him in chakra reserve) and he has to use Itachi's eyes for EMS. But he still cleverly use outside power as his technique (Kirin), isn't that his own strength? I'd like to think yes. and given time, he'll show more of it (but then EMS and Hagoromo Chakra trainwreck come and we're left with the current him).

My point OP, is that Hashirama grows to become his self now thanks to outside factors pushing him, aside from his effort. The same as every other character who make do with what they have, especially Naruto (It's not his fault that Kyuubi is inside him and he have to make use of it, nor it's not his own power that allow their chakra to synchronize) and Sasuke who were 17 when they got Hagoromo power-up.