Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36632842-20180818184904/@comment-34194151-20180917183122

@BlazeRelease, Well, then we can close the book on the Haku thing then finally.

Your logic has holes in it. You have no proof that rock lee or sasuke are significantly faster than sakon/ukon. All you have is the dissappearing effect, which only happens relative to the opponent being faced. Gaara and his sand couldn't track their speed, so that's why sasuke looked like a blur. When two characters are in a close enough speed tier there is no dissappearing affect. or by your logic, kid rock lee is still the fastest character in the manga to this date.

Sasuke never outsmarted orochimaru, if you actually believe that I don't know what to tell you. Orochimaru insantly recognized that the shuriken was rigged, he was simply surprised by it, then caught the shuriken. Sasuke then simply used a katon, wow so intelligent -_-, and orochimaru had no problems tanking it. Orochimaru was simply impresed by his skills, and you're abc logic doesn't work. as kiba won't be playing around like orochimaru was, or next thing you will be claiming that kid sasuke is stronger than orochimaru and therefore he beats kiba, which would make me laugh. Kiba won't be catching shurikens, he will be dodging all of them and then pummeling with fang over fang. You use plenty of abc logic, like ignoring Zakon's own inexperience and the fact that he was trying to blow away the fireball shurikens instead of dodging them, which is what kiba will be doing.

You still cite Out of character feats for sasuke while claming I'm doing the same. Kiba throwing smoke bombs is in character, period. And you resort to fallacies like claiming smoke bombs don't last forever, which is common sense, they don't need to last forever to do their job. Kiba isn't getting tagged by katon. He can easily move a wide distance while using fang over fang to avoid it. You talk as if katon has the area of effect of Guy's hirudora. Sasuke isn't setting up traps, in the smoke, like I said part two sasuke literally STARED at opponents behind smokecreens and waited for them to make their next move. Izuna vs tobirama was anime filler fyi, in the manga we never saw what fully happened.