Talk:Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

Uzumaki Clan
It isnt confirmed Hagoromo Otsutsuki' 05:40, June 20, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki
 * No. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:17, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

On Hagoromo becoming stronger than Kaguya
Those that say otherwise, please explain why this shouldn't be put inside the Trivia section: Though Hagoromo did admit that Kaguya was stronger than him, since he did defeat Kaguya/Shinju twice (Sealing them inside him with help from his brother then sealing them inside the moon) means that he technically became stronger than Kaguya and he gained 3 godly chakra sources (his, Kaguya's, and the Shinju).

I think this because when you defeat someone in battle, even if it's just for 1 battle, you're stronger than them.

If people disagree with this, please explain why. --Mike 05:54, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Manga fact....hagoromo admitted his mother was stronger Hagoromo Otsutsuki' 06:00, June 20, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki

I know that, however, he said that she "was" stronger. That is, past tense. Defeating your enemy means that your stronger. Even before Kaguya was introduced, it was stated that he became to be revered as a god for defeating another god, the Shinju. In turn, I think that dictates that he became a stronger god than the goddess that his mom was. --Mike 06:05, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Xundoshi dont edit others comments regardless of grammar also hagoromo stated his mother was far stronger then him.Hagoromo Otsutsuki' 06:18, June 20, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki

I'm trying to edit only my comments. --Mike 06:25, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Huh? Hagoromo Otsutsuki' 06:31, June 20, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki

I wasn't trying to edit other people's comments. I was only trying edit my own comments (shorten sentences, changing the words). --Mike 06:35, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

MY bad i didnt know you was Xundoshi Hagoromo Otsutsuki' 06:42, June 20, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki

I'm putting my name as Mike because I find it easier to put for my signature (it's also because Michael is my real name). --Mike 06:45, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Just because Hagoromo beat Kaguya doesn't mean he's stronger; it's not always the stronger person that wins a fight. Naruto beat Kabuto when he was way weaker than Kabuto. If it was Dragonball Z, then you could say that, but in this series factors of victory are varied, ranging from luck, timing, carelessness, being stronger, being more prepared, being a bad match up... the factors go on and on. Among the many Kage level shinobi, we can't truely say who is stronger cause some are more suited for fighting some more than others..... it's like rock paper scissors. With so many factors involved, we can't truly say who is stronger. Victory doesn't automatically mean your better. The better person doesn't always win.--Deathmailrock (talk) 23:20, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Rectifying the Kaguya-Shinju Contradiction
How can Kaguya be the "Progenitor of chakra" if the Shinju is the "Origin of all chakra", as stated in their articles? By no means am I trying to be difficult but maybe it should be mentioned that Kaguya is the progenitor, or foremother, of all chakra that dwells within humans/human chakra. And the shinju is the originator of everything else that consists of chakra, e.g. animals like the toad and snake sages. Cause I doubt they got their chakra passed down from Kaguya as well. In short, I can see visitors of the wiki getting confused when they glance past their articles.--The Zeitgeist (talk) 23:52, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Chapter 681 was confusing, and we're waiting for the raws for clarification, since there are so many discrepancies between the scanlations. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:19, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * "Rectifying the Kaguya-Shinju Contradiction" That sounds painful. Unless you're into that sort of stuff. You know what I mean. Biddy-biddy-biddy-biddy-biddy. --Silver-Haired Seireitou (talk) 01:57, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Sharingan/Rinnegan info.
"Kaguya >manifested an incarnation of the Shinju< that would become known as the Ten-Tails, intent on reclaiming the chakra she felt was rightfully hers."

"Sharingan and Rinnegan Kaguya wields her Rinnegan and Sharingan together as a third eye on her forehead in the >form of the Shinju's eye.<" - Now, on her page is says she created the Shinju.. So doesn't that mean that the Shinju has HER eye? Not the other way around? SusanooUnleashed (talk) 05:15, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Kaguya manifested the beast form (Ten-Tails), not the Shinju itself. We don't have the details yet, so we don't know who had the red Rinnegan/Sharingan eye first.--BeyondRed (talk) 06:21, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * So much speculation in the article...--Elveonora (talk) 11:37, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly, Elve. SusanooUnleashed (talk) 11:41, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

At this point, it isn't clear if the Shinju even had any eye to begin with. When Obito summoned a copy of it, it had the eye, but that was post-Kaguya merger. There isn't any indication that it had any eye before Kaguya ate its fruit or whatever did to it. Also Kaguya doesn't wield both Sharingan and Rinnegan as the third eye, the third eye is called just a Rinnegan.--Elveonora (talk) 12:39, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Kinkaku and Ginkaku
I noticed its no longer mentioned that the Gold and Silver Brothers are possibly her descendants. I feel it should be re-listed, i mean the family resemblance is rather obvious. Shadowfox337 (talk) 11:18, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * They were never said to be her descendants, but possibly the Sage's. Logic would dictate that they are her's as well; but that is not something we should mention in the article despite how "obvious" it is.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 12:45, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Technique List
Can somebody add Dimensional Shifting to the infobox? I have no idea how to do this, if I even can. Atrix471 (talk) 10:00, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Yin-Yang release?
Considering she tanked an Amaterasu. Not sure if that can simply be attributed to chakra absorption since Obito did the very same thing--Elveonora (talk) 19:26, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well it's either that or the Preta path, but I'm not even sure if the third eye allows her to use the six paths. It could also be that she's just really, really durable and the whole 'only sage techniques work against Ten-Tails jinchūriki' thing. Atrix471 (talk) 19:34, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Bump--Elveonora (talk) 14:23, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Being able to tank and absorb Amaterasu isn't necessarily indicative of Yin-Yang Release. If memory serves me well, when Obito did it didn't he also use the Truth-Seeking Balls? As far as I could gather, all she had done so far was tank stuff, but I'm no sure thats indicative of her absorbing it (which she could via Preta Path) or no-selling it (via Yin-Yang Releasing it).
 * Basically, I'm confused because I can't remember if she's absorbing stuff or just tanking it.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 14:33, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Considering Amaterasu is inextinguishable and is supposed to burn for days, she made it vanish. The reason why I think Amaterasu can't be absorbed is because when Nagato was set aflame with Amaterasu, he got rid of it using Deva Path instead of Preta Path--Elveonora (talk) 14:37, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * /shrug. She is no Nagato. But as I stated, no idea.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 14:50, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Jinchūriki
So, this kinda needs to be dealt with. If the Ten-Tails is part Kaguya, part Shinju, is she really a jinchūriki? Cause is kinda hard to be a jinchūriki of something that is part... you. ._. Let me be very clear, because I know the factions that will jump in, this is not to be turned into an argument to merge Kaguya with the Ten-Tails. That isn't happening. But I find it hard to believe she could be a jinchūriki of something she is part of. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 23:38, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * Probably not. Then again, Probably so, considering her body right now isn't technically her body but Madara's body covered in Black Zetsu + massive amounts of chakra and somehow bewbs. She is very confusing. But I'd go with "she's not a jinchuriki because the Ten-Tails is part her" camp.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 23:47, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * She isn't a jinchuuriki because she is a Tailed Beast guys. Also no offense, but your behavior is kinda schizophrenic to me. Ten-Tails is her beast form, having it split is letter by letter, crazy. We don't have a separate article for Orochimaru's snake form, do we?--Elveonora (talk) 23:58, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
 * I just told you not to turn this into that argument. There is no merger. You were overwhelmingly disagreed with. It's not happening. So either weigh in on the subject matter, or not at all. Stay on topic. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg 00:00, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Just because I was disagreed with by the trinity doesn't mean I'm wrong. Being a sysop doesn't make you always right, sorry to break your bubble. And I already weighted in, I propose removal of jinchuuriki status. For the merger, If the sole reason it isn't happening is because there's "sysop" behind your username, then gimme a sec, I'm gonna edit a shot of my profile with "sysop" added there so I'm taken more seriously and my argument is more valid, because that's exactly how it works here.--Elveonora (talk) 00:06, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Wrong again. Of the six people that told you "no", three were sysops. Its not happening. Get over it. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg 00:09, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Enough both of you. While there will be no merger, that is not the point of this discussion. I am more than willing to remove the jinchuriki part. I think. Like I said the only thing that bothers me the whole "her body is technically Madara's" thing. But eh, details and nobody else is really thinking that.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk)

I don't think there's anything of Madara left at this point. Back then during the Pain arc, Naruto was transforming into Kurama, had it happened, Naruto would have ceased to exist, right? I don't see how is it any different. Madara was overwhelmed by Kaguya--Elveonora (talk) 00:17, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Madara seems to be gone completely by this point. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg 00:19, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

So Madara moves from "Presumed Deceased" to "Deceased?" K. By the way I have a question. The tree seen in chapter 670. Wasn't that the Shinju before Kaguya merged with it (The mural that appeared when Madara was talking to Hashirama seems to support this)? Oh and by the way... she isn't a jinchuuriki. It makes no sense at this point. Hagoromo sealed her within himself. Back to my question, what do you think about that tree? WindStar7125  (Talk) 01:01, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, the tree is Shinju, why do you question that?--Elveonora (talk) 12:04, June 26, 2014 (UTC)