Talk:Haku

First appearance
I believe it was Episode 9 that Haku first appeared as a Hunter ninja. If someone remembers him showing up before then could they fix the episode number?

Also, can someone put in when Haku appeared in the manga. Be it as a Hunter-nin or as himself, whichever is first. I think it was Chapter 10 but I have no clue if that's correct. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Dec 8, 2007 @ 11:29 (UTC)

Trivia addition
I've been trying to find a good wording for the trivia bit to note on how some fans speculate on Haku's gender.

Jhbartlett suggested "Due to Haku's androgynous appearance, and his tendency to lie to protect his identity and Zabuza'a in the past, further coupled with his very close relationship to Zabuza, some fans speculate that Haku may actually be a girl.", but it's a little to big for a trivia note. Any ideas for revising it? ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Dec 10, 2007 @ 02:55 (UTC)


 * Ok, the old dispute isn't helping the article at all. Believe it!'s been temp blocked because he attacks every comment that someone makes on this talkpage. So it's ok to contribute some feedback on what you think should be done with the article. I'm going to post the ones put on my talkpage below to help with the discussion. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion Dec 10, 2007 @ 03:17 (UTC)

Omg, I don't want to dattebayo that that argument is even happening... My stance: Haku is a boy. On page 12 of chapter 21 "Oh...and...I'm a boy." Also, without fail, Zabuza refers to Haku as "he". Now, it is true that Haku has an androgynous appearance. Nonetheless, whether Haku and Zabuza are lying about his gender or not, we are only given those few circumstances as evidence, and so speculation needs to be put aside. It is a fact that Haku has a very close relationship with Zabuza, it is a fact that they are running from the shinobi hunters, it is a fact that he has lied before...but it is also fact that he claimed to be a boy. If we are going to say that everything he said was a lie, because he lied once, then it could be that he enjoyed a comforatble life with both parents still alive.

Unfortunately, we are not given absolute proof of Haku's gender. But, for that matter, neither are we for anyone except Naruto and Sai's friend, given the various comments that Sai makes about Naruto's vital male organs. After all, this manga is not a pornographic work, nor should it have to be.

So, I would say that in this case, it is truly necessary to go with the character's words on this matter. You should put a note in that says, "Due to Haku's androgynous appearance, and his tendency to lie to protect his identity and Zabuza'a in the past, further coupled with his very close relationship to Zabuza, some fans speculate that Haku may actually be a girl." But no one can reasonably deny Haku's claim that he is a boy, nor should he be referred to as anything but male pronouns in the article.

Sorry for the huge statement. But hopefully my opinion helps you. Jhbartlett 02:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with your proposal, Jhbartlett. Many fans of Naruto only believe what has been clearly stated in the manga/anime itself, rather than piecing individual evidence together to figure it out. I myself did not believe that Tobi was Madara until sufficient evidence was provided (the use of possessive kanji in the untranslated version in the example). Also, the dub leans towards a masculine tone, rather than the original, more feminine, voice. This would support Haku's male gender too, since different audiences have different views on even the smallest of things, such as voices.. --Dubtiger 00:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)