Talk:Explosion Release

Deidara
If Deidara called his Exploding Clay "Explosion Release", then shouldn't we accept his word for it until later explained? Yatanogarasu 08:10, December 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Piling on to what the IP said below, it certainly seems to be Kishimoto's intent to fiddle with how Deidara's techniques work. Deidara uses this, and the mechanics may or may not be worked out later. ~SnapperTo 10:15, December 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not very fond of retcons. Let's see how this goes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:00, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * There may be a translation difference, but how does this indicate that Driedara has this jutsu too? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 20:49, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe the raw said "Bakuton", just like in chapter 522. Mangastream's translator is a good translation, but he does spices things up sometimes. I remember someone saying that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:59, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

I was wondering about Deidara's usage.I'm assuming that Deidara's exploding clay is a combination of different techniques...His chakra is probably what actually causes the explosions while the clay is just the medium. But this is all speculation...not even sure why i typed this now =\--Cerez365 (talk) 22:10, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

@Omnibender: Well, it may not be that big of a change to Deidara's Exploding Clay. Although I would agree with you, I have been thinking of how this would work ever since Deidara stated he had it. It seems that the "explosive chakra" mentioned in the databook entry for CO is Bakuton chakra, and Gari and Deidara do use the same kanji, "爆." It seems that this nature works by flowing the chakra into objects (such as clay or humans, as Deidara and Gari did, respectively) to make them explode. I posted my idea for Explosion Release on ShounenSuki's talk page, where I theorized that Deidara was using the Iwagakure Kinjutsu to "knead" Bakuton chakra into the clay, and other users who did not have access to the kinjutsu would rather have to do what Gari did and directly flow their chakra into their targets. I'm thinking Deidara "completed his art" by combining his clay sculptures with the explosions, completing his "Art is an explosion!" dream. --GoDai (talk) 01:31, December 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sooo, should we add Deidara as a user of this kekkei genkai or what?--'''Wild Wind of the Leaf

Since things are very unclear as they are, I don't think he should be listed as having it. We already had an explanation for his jutsu, so until that gets complemented by exposition in the manga, or a databook in the future, we shouldn't try to guess how it works. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:43, December 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think this discussion has become far too plagued with the ideal of attempting to acertain how the Exploding Clay justu works, rather than confronting the original issue of whether Deidara's assertions are enough to confirm his possession of this nature, especially in the light of the recent confirmation of the existence of such a nature. Leaving aside his Exploding Clay until that gets complemented by further exposition as Omnibender states, Deidara makes a clear claim about an existing advanced nature that has yet to be refuted, so does this alone warrant his inclusion here? Blackstar1 (talk) 16:12, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

How does Deidara have explosion release, he needs his special clay to use his jutsu. As opposed to Gari who needs nothing but can naturally create explosions.--Zicoihno (talk) 01:01, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Deidara uses the kinjutsu he stole to knead chakra into the clay, and that chakra makes the clay explode. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:04, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

ya know wut i think?
Deidara claimed to have bakuton and this wiki is refusing to list him as such because his clay techniques were explained in the manga, anime and databook. But that's just it. The data book gave us info that Deidara can knead his chakra into substances; that's whay his kinjutsu entails. What if we haev this mixed up. It is quite possible that deidara mixes his bakuton chakra into an earth substance. Clay is clearly a representation of earth justu, but that's it, when have u seen any other earth justu explode? I believe it is with the addition of bakuton chakra that allows the clay to explode, without this chakra, his clay sculptured would be just plain old (non-explosive) earth-style clay justu. Im basing this off knowing that no other earth justu that has come before explodes like Deidara does. I agree with the guy/girl above, we should take his word for it until further explained, kishimoto wouldn't have mentioned it for a blank reason and what's more he re-introduced it again in the latest chapter with Gari. Even if you claim this is all speculation, which im not denying it is (because all we can do right now is speculate),at least we should acknowledge that Deidara has the bakuton bloodline limit. 76.197.224.30 (talk) 09:01, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

That would be plausible. The only Release Earth can combo with now is Lightning, which to me, would probably more Magnetic/Metal related, but Fire + Lightning as Omnibender said, is more likely then above as both substances can cause explosions. --S.C. Amigo (talk) 17:05, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

I think most people assume explosion is earth + lightning is because Deidara and Gari are from the stone village, and that some people believe that blaze is fire + lightning due to the combination of Amaterasu being a fire release tech. and Yamato's explanation of ""this" element in my right hand and "that" element in my left" Amaterasu (fire, left eye) lightning + shape manipulation or something (right eye) since it was already confirmed that it's possible to put chakra into specific parts of your body (Tsunade against Pain).--Red-kun (talk) 17:26, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

If I may state another theory here. Fire is the element we most associate with explosions, and we know that Wind element makes Fire bigger and stronger. so is a Fire and Wind combination used to create Explosion element? and is Deidara's Clay techniques a kinjutsu created from the DNA of people with this power and channelled through Clay? I would say it is a least a possibility, any thoughts?SandS Hero (talk) 21:24, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Personally I think we should change the Diagram for now, I mean, one theory is just as good as the other one. It seems to me that most ppl think that Fire + Lightning = Explosion. The same why I think Earth + Lightning = Magnet and Fire + Wind = Scorch. Why is it only the admin guys opinion that seems to be right here? why can't we have a saying in it? I think we should hold a Poll, to see what gets decided and we'll stick to that until it is confirmed. 90.185.222.227 (talk) 20:11, January 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) You just repsonded to a question that's over a year old.
 * 2) The talk page isn't a place to discuss theories.
 * 3) We don't add speculation such as what you're suggesting to the articles.
 * 4) The Admins keep the place regulated and up to date with the proper information. And their opinion isn't the only ones that matter. They always ask around before deciding things. Skitts (talk) 20:18, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

I share your opinions on what those elements are, but we don't change the things in the image because we can't do that without removing one particular component, which is blaze. If blaze wasn't there, that's how I'd suggest the person who makes those graphics to update it. For why blaze is there, please read the discussions at its talk page. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:22, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I think that chart has speculations that shouldn't be allowed. Scorch, Blaze, Magnet and Explosion, we're not sure if they are composed of the elements as the charts say. They could be anything else. After all, Blaze is just Amaterasu with more advanced control, how could we speculate that it's fire + lightning? Yatanogarasu (Talk) 23:30, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cliffnote version: we know that every nature that isn't one of the basic ones is made up of two or three basic ones (only Dust having three), hence all those are, in theory, mergers of two natures. That includes blaze, which being a canon nature, we have to show somewhere, and it's listed as fire and lightning because that's the least speculative spot to put it in, considering those are Sasuke's natures. I'm holding out for it being fire and yin, though we don't know if that's possible. All the non-confirmed natures have question marks next to it, showing those aren't confirmed, so all bases covered. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:44, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, yes. But I thought all speculations of any kind are forbidden, otherwise it would lead to confusion and more speculations, and before you know it... Anyways, we once thought dust was a combination of earth and wind, before it was said to be a combination of three. Can't we just put the undetermined ones on the side until something has been determined? Yatanogarasu (Talk) 00:29, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * They're there simply because there's no where else to put them. I feel it would we weird to know there's a known advanced nature, but not showing it in the article. They way the image is know, we're both acknowledging them as known natures and pointing out there's no confirmation on their composition with the question mark. That's my opinion, I don't know how others fell about it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:50, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, as long as these speculations don't leak out of the diagram. Thanks for finally clearing it up completely. Yatanogarasu (Talk) 03:32, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

You seem to forget that just because they are a -Ton dosen't mean they are a combination, Fire Release is Katon, and Amateratsu is jsut fire but in a more advanced and powerful form. The -ton it has is because it's an element. And Blaze Release/Inferno Style, it is called because the fire is much more powerful then ordinary fire. It's not certain it's a combination. In fact I really doubt it is. So i really don't get why it is even on the diagram.

Those are all great speculation but it's just that: speculation/opinion. At the moment we don't know for certain if Blaze Release isn't a combination of elements and as such it'll follow the precedent of anything that is not a basic nature. It's the only way there can be some semblance of order regarding the unknown releases. Whenever official information is released, it'll be changed/updated just like everything else on here. Also please remember to sign your posts using four tildes (~) or the signature button.--Cerez365™ 12:00, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * KenjiNitari, show me one instance I said that "-ton" = nature combination. You can't, because I never said that. I only said that outside of the basic ones, the precedent is for a nature to composed of two other basic natures (three in case of dust). Pay more attention to what is said. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:11, January 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well it wasn't necessarily you I was talking to Omnibender, I was merely stating that some guys said that elemental jutsus that don't fall under the five basic ones are an advanced one and so a combination. I was merely trying to explain how it could be.90.185.222.227 (talk) 15:15, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

@:Cerez, But I still think we should think of this locigally and at least give room to those we are certain is combinations, then we can always palce Blaze somewere else or put it on an empty slot until we get more info. Just because Sasuke uses a Fire Jutsu that isn't a normal Fire Jutsu, dosen't mean it's a combinasion. Besides, It was confirmed that it wasn't a combination and that he merely controls it so why even put it as one? We could have room for some mroe logical combinations if we removed that one.90.185.222.227 (talk) 15:15, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

The problem is that every other Advanced Nature is made up of two or more releases, hence it's less speculative to assume Blaze Release follows suit than to say it doesn't. Of course, that's only left to that particular image, so it's not like the wiki is putting speculation into the articles. Skitts (talk) 16:25, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Earth
Is Deidara the only reason we're saying this might involve Earth Release? Because him and his clay apart, Explosion could just as easily be Lightning and Fire. I think we should remove the earth mentions to this nature. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:37, December 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Deidara is indeed the only reason I believe. I say remove it.--TheUltimate3 ~The User King ~ 17:54, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

It can also be a combo of Earth and Lightning, or Earth and Fire but a diffrent form then Lava Release. Or a Kekkei Touta with Earth, Fire and Lightning. if you look for now that we know that only Iwagakure has a Kekkei Touta and that Deidara and that other guy comes from Iwagakure????


 * It doesn't do well to reply to month old discussions without adding something to it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:23, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Ummm...Omnibender, what du you mean by 'without adding something'????? (not meant bad, i always want to hear my mistakes). Btw how you sign these edits????


 * You sign them with four "~", like this: ~ . Yatanogarasu 19:56, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

Everything you stated was already pointed out. You merely restated things which were already stated, and speculated on something with no real base. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:05, April 12, 2011 (UTC)

science stuff
Could this Explosion Release be a combination of Earth Release and Lightning Release in an effort to convert stored potential energy into kinetic energy?... fourLOKOz (talk) 21:23, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Just imagine a thunder hitting a ground. geohound (talk) 14:46, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Regardless of what you think it's still speculation and this isn't a forum so it's really pointless to continue this topic.--Cerez365 (talk) 14:49, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Consider The Following
Deidara isn't an Explosion Release user because:
 * He uses the kenjutsu he stole to create the explosions.
 * None of the databooks listed him us such.
 * He never said he was one he said 'which is truly art my explosion or your dust' which got some damn spoiler messed up such as in the case that said Akatsuchi use a clay clone and it was truly a stone clone.
 * And finally member from th same clans have very similar characteristis which Deidara doesn't show to have with Gari.

Also I heard that the Explosion Release was the combination of fire and lightning. First fire and lightning makes Blaze Release and the combination of two elements can create only one new one. I also heard that it could be earth and lightning which is quite possible due to the fact that when lightning hits the earth an explosion occurs. Now I also thought of something similar to this that crystalization occurs when excessive energy is gathered on earth meanin that lightning being a plasma conducts energy making it possible that lightning and earth make crystal release.Now I also heard something like Wind and lightning, First it may be plausible because lightning creates sonic booms which are quite similar to explosion when it goes throught air but i thing lightning and wind would make something like magnetic release like the one used by the 3rd Kazekage.

So my guess is that Explosion Release= Lightning + Earth and that crystal release is earth plus ying and yang
 * No, actually:
 * The Iwagakure kinjutsu allows you to knead chakra into materials. That's all it does. No explosions ever mentioned. We assume the explosive chakra combined with the kneading into clay made Exploding Clay.
 * Databooks once listed some Wood Release techniques as Hiden instead of kekkei genkai. Mistakes are always possible. Also, Explosion Release wasn't even introduced then, which means Kishi probably didn't want to spoil it.
 * The original Japanese raw uses the terms 塵遁 compared to 爆遁. It's got nothing to do with the clones there. Deidara actually said Explosion Release.
 * The clan thing has yet to be explained.
 * No one knows if Blaze is Fire+Lightning yet. This is all just ideas. Also, we still don't know for sure if simultaneous nature transformations are only available as one per pair. However, we can't list the component natures beause it would be speculation and would be unconfirmed. Finally, Crystal was anime-only, and probably isn't real as it wasn't desgined by Kishimoto. --GoDai (talk) 05:21, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

I can squash that clan theory easily look; at Harishama and Tobimara they are brothers yet one has tan skin and black hair (Harishama) and Tobimara has pale skin with white hair. So its quite possible for Deidera and Gari to be related in some way. --DragonStyleNaruto

Well:
 * The Iwagakure kinjutsu is the reason for explosion cause if you're saying that whats the difference of Chakra Flow if Didara had the Explosion he could simply use chakra flow like Sasuke did with the shriken and Naruto with the Kunai.
 * Spoil What? if Deidara had Explosion Release he would list it as explosion release but last time i checked it said Earth Release for Diedara's jutsu but if it was Explosion Release I don't see why it would get canceled while using lightning thing of it all other Elements using Earth don't seem weak to lightning Lava,Wood,Crystal,Dust.
 * Blaze you might be right due to the fact that Sasuke as an Uchiha can copy and use all five elements but Amataresu= Fire Release so one component is Fire then Wind No way,Wate No way,Earth No way, so whats left lightning and ying or yang.

Yes but the Senju Clan isn't a kekei genkei clan so their are no similarities but Uchiha,Hyuga,Akimichi,Inazuka and many others sharing jutsus are really similar.

The senju clan deffinetly is a kekei genkai clan it has the wood release as a kekke genkai and the Akimichi and Inuzaka arent considered a kekkei genkai because they are considered HIDDEN a kekkei genkai is genetic while hidden is just secretive so the body expansion the fang passing fang and the shadow manipulation is not genetic thus its not a kekkei genkai. your not making any sense Deidera may very well have that kekkei genka the point is we wont know till further chapter emphasize on the Blast Corps which Deidera could very well be a part of but we dnt know... and again the Kinjustsu states that the user could use their chakra to create substance it never said that it made the chakra go boom boom i dnt understan why you have to complain bitch and moan on something that you have to wait and see  --DragonStyleNaruto

None of the Inuzuka clan jutsu are hiden, all of them have ranks. Only some of Akimichi expansion jutsu are hiden. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:42, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Suigetsu water arm is hdden and it also has a rank... sooo --DragonStyleNaruto - Talk - Contributions 17:58, December 27,2010 (EST)

And that is the only hiden jutsu ever to get a rank in a databook, something which caused some confusion when it first came out. If you check previous databooks, you'll see that none of the jutsu used by the Inuzuka clan are marked as hiden, and only the Multi-Size Technique and its direct variations (Partial Multi-Size and Super Multi-Size) are marked as hiden. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:04, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Your right well i guess you could say that the inuzaka clan use specialized justus lol --DragonStyleNaruto - Talk - Contributions 17:43, December 27,2010 (EST) When I used the Inuzuka and Akimichi as an example I was saying that people from similar clans have similar characteristis and jutsus, and Tobirame and Tsunade can't use wood proving that Wood Release is a one man Jutsu like the 3rd Kazekage's jutsu. Now Deidara is my fave character and I would loved if he had explosion release but if he could do the Explosion without clay why would he care of running out? and don't say bullcrap like ohh its because of art cause its not even when he got resserected and was sealed in the puppet why did't he just blow it up probably because he could't.And another thing is that Deidara hates kekkei genkai users not only the Sharingan ones but all them read at his page at the trivia section. Also if his clay was an Explosion Release why did it get canceled by lighhtning release techniques.And don't say they were getting canceled because it has Earth Release as one of its nature cause Lava,Wood,Dust and Crystal did't get canceled even if they had Eart as one of their natures.

Please sign your posts. Now that you mention it, I don't remember saying he despised kekkei genkai in general. I do remember saying he hated the Sharingan, because Itachi defeated him with it, and for a moment Deidara was awed by it, and the Sharigan looked down on his art, and it wasn't artistic and what not. Do you have a source for Deidara hating kekkei genkai in general? I'll bring this up at his talk page. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:41, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Guys forget what I said so far I went back and saw the Raw Spoiler of 514 and it did say Explosion Release and I think the mangastream directers just gave it their own glance.

Deidara Explosion Release & Element
Why would we not include Deidara with the explosion release really people? He stated very clearly as having it, we know it is a bloodline limit possessed by Gari as well. Not all people from the same clan look exactly alike. If exploding clay is not explosion release, we know that it is then just earth element. If exploding clay is explosion release, then it means explosion release is made up of earth element and something else. But regardless Deidara has it. Dragon Hacker (talk) 06:28, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * This possible retcon has yet to be properly explained, as mentioned above. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:23, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

I have't seen the chapter in a while, but where exactly in 514 does he say he has Explosion Release? Fmakck - Talk - Contributions
 * When he says something like "let's see what's better, my Exploding Clay or your Dust Release". It seems that in the raw, he used the term Explosion Release, and mangastream's translator just adapted it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:28, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, but I still don't see it. I guess you can't trust the translations.Fmakck - Talk - Contributions 04:21, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Look for spoilers before the chapter is available, they're not perfect, but sometimes they have information that gets removed, like this. You just have to have a critical sense. In the same spoiler, there was a mention to Clay Release and Explosion Release, so obviously it wasn't 100% correct. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:29, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

Logical Combinations
Going by given facts... Ice = Water / Wind. Wood = Water / Earth. Boil = Water / Fire. Storm = Water / Lightning. Lava = Fire / Earth. Blaze = ?. Dust = ?. Explosion = ?. Scorch = ?. ? = ?. Given the fact that Blaze is posessed by someone with known fire/lightning affinity, it would be the most logical conclusion for its' combination. Dust is by someone known to have Earth affinity who can also fly, leading to the presumption that it is logically Earth/Wind. Taking these into account, the above list can be done as. Ice = Water / Wind. Wood = Water / Earth. Boil = Water / Fire. Storm = Water / Lightning. Lava = Fire / Earth. Blaze = Fire / Lightning. Dust = Earth / Wind. Explosion = ?. Scorch = ?. ? = ?. This leaves one open spot for fire, one for earth, two for lightning, and two for wind. If you put fire into the Scorch element, which very clearly relates to heat, then the other half would have to be wind, since fire/earth is lava and fire/lightning (per above paragraph) is blaze. this leaves the combinations of earth/lightning and lightning/wind as possible combinations for Explosion and an unidentified one. taking into account what someone said as to if you course energy into a solid, i think explosion would likely be lightning/earth. this leaves lightning/wind as a currently unidentified advanced nature. these logical discussions leading the list to... Ice = Water / Wind. Wood = Water / Earth. Boil = Water / Fire. Storm = Water / Lightning. Lava = Fire / Earth. Blaze = Fire / Lightning. Dust = Earth / Wind. Explosion = Earth / Lightning. Scorch = Fire / Wind. ? = Wind / Lightning. SkyFlicker (talk) 05:00, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah this is kinda what every logical person hs in their minds at the moment. However, there are a some other ideas going around to consider, such as maybe one chakra nature pair having more than one result (Some think maybe both Lava and Explosion are Earth+Fire), or Yin/Yang being able to be combined into the nature (Blaze could be Fire+Yin if that's true). Although these may not be much confirmed yet (I don't want to believe them either), they could very well be true. --GoDai (talk) 07:40, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Here's a thought: the Third Kazekage's magnetism is lightning and wind. Lightning provides electrical waves, and the wind provides the electrical waves to travel through the air, creating magnetism. Yatanogarasu 08:01, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

@ Godai: the difference is, my first comment is based upon already canon material, and is logically sound given the canon facts. having different advanced nature both being composed of the same basic natures, or having a basic elemental nature and yin/yang combining to form an advanced nature type, is something that has no current canon logic to it. the list above is very very very very very likely. @ Yatanogarasu: Very possible, considering that Amatseru and Exploding Clay have both been ret-con'd of sorts.SkyFlicker (talk) 08:23, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah you're right, I just thought I'd make sure you were aware of these things others strongly believe in. The only possible problem is the 熔/溶 issue that occurs in Lava. I know a little Japanese myself and saw the possibilities of this problem. I discussed them with ShounenSuki, who is much more better than me in Japanese, and even he stated this could mean the two are different. You see, "Lava" can be written in two ways: 熔岩 and 溶岩. Both 熔 and 溶 mean "Melt" (岩 means rock). They hardly have any difference to most people. Kishimoto never uses the term 熔岩 and always uses 溶岩. However, he writes Lava Release (熔遁/溶遁) differently depending on who's using it: 熔 for Rōshi and Kurotsuchi (Iwa-nin) and 溶 for Mei (Kiri-nin). As far as I know, 熔 is related to melting by heat, and 溶 is related to dissolution (However, language does not always follow this). According to ShounenSuki, if there had to be a difference, 熔 is related to solids and 溶 to liquids (Which makes sense, as 熔 is for Earth/Rock, and 溶 is for Water/Mist). The overall question is, "Why would Kishimoto use different kanji in the first place, if he meant Lava for both?" This question leaves people with different ideas. One idea I have is that 熔 is Lava, but 溶 is something else. Therefore, I theorize 溶遁 isn't Lava, but rather Dissolution. However, trust me, I don't like where that went. Mei only has 3 natures and 2 kekkei genkai, meaning that this theorized "Dissolution Release" has to be either Earth+Fire, Earth+Water, or Fire+Water, which are all taken. If this theory is true, we face serious problems. However, we don't know about the kanji difference throughly yet, so we'll leave Kishi to explain that later. I just wanted to let you guys know about this. I believe ShounenSuki is already aware of this and has his own good ideas, and you can ask him separately for that. --GoDai (talk) 04:12, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Mei's only named 溶遁 technique, Yōton: Yōkai no Jutsu, is a pun on the term "dissolution (溶解; Yōkai)," which implies it's more related to a viscous solvent than lava.

are you sure?
Are you sure that Deidara have got this kekkei genkai?? i know that he's got kekkei genkai, but this... he's got mouth on hands and gari, whitch have got the same kekkei genkai, doesn't have got more than one mouth. (i think)
 * The mouths are caused by the Iwagakure Kinjutsu. —ShounenSuki (talk 19:59, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * So i guess that's a yes we're sure. He's said so himself after all...--Cerez365 (talk) 20:01, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! And when he told it by himself? Minitsunade  (Dyskusja)  20:16, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * yes, in chapter 514 page 13 --Cerez365 (talk) 20:25, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * hmmm. you're right! i saw in in polish version and there were only "your dust or my boombs". and in one of english version is bakuton :)

So...
So...can say that Clay is the Exploding Explosion Release?


 * Not really. Exploding Clay comes from the Explosion Release, but isn't the same thing. Deidara uses the Iwagakure Kinjutsu to add his Explosion Release chakra into his clay to turn it into a bomb. The clay is Earth Release, the exploding chakra is Explosion Release, and the kneading is the Iwagakure Kinjutsu. --GoDai (talk) 07:48, January 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * You know GoDai, you don't have to explain it every time someone asks about it. I'm certain they can read the talk page. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:52, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Fire + Lightning
Well, I have been thinking about this for a long time, and there are a lot of things I must consider to create this theory:


 * 1) An explosion is only caused by a great energy release, along with high temperature. The only known elements that could to this are fire or lightning, both energy sources.
 * 2) It is true lightning could cause an explosion when it strucks the earth. But we have already seen lightning jutsus hitting the ground, and it simply caused a great electric discharge, not really the explosion we know, as it produces heat and gas.

So, considering this effect, I think earth couldn't be in this combination, as it couldn't cause the real explosions we saw.

And recently, despite being something from the game, the jutsu Coming of the Lightning Fire Phoenix Technique fortified my theory and induced me to write it. It is just what I think and consider. --Rubião December 26, 2011 (UTC)

I absolutely agree,as deidara could be like kurotsuchi. It is possibe, if one has a kekkei genkai of an advanced nature transformation, it is possible for them to learn at least one more release. It could well be explained, that explosion release is fire and lightning, and deidara just decided to master a third nature transformatrion(earth).--Aeonophic (talk) 21:13, September 11, 2012 (UTC)Aeonophic

Probably. It can't be denied that one can have 3 releases at once, if they have a advanced nature kekkei genkai

Seperation
Would it be a good idea to seperate the known jutsu from Gari already (If there is any) and Deidara's Jutsu? I just think that the Release, combined with a Kinjutsu would be much more different and unique, as it belongs to only those who've obtained the Kinjutsu. I'd think that if you have it in the list of Blast Release//Explosion Release it'd just get things mixed up, as Deidara's jutsu should be singled out or unique to Blast//Explosion Release's
 * As unique as they are, they are still Explosion Release. Treating them as not would simply be giving false information. —ShounenSuki (talk 09:43, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

I miss something?
I looked on Chapter 526, page 16 (last) to see when Hanzou mentions or sais Deidara posses this kekkei genkai, but there Hanzou dont even shows up nor sais it. Ther is Ginkaku, Kinkaku and Darui speaking. It is a error or I miss something? VolteMetalic (talk) 16:12, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's page 13 actually. Thanks for pointing that out~.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 16:17, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

clay
consider this, maybe its the clay itself that's classified as earth release, and that's why its vulnerable to lightning, just a theory --Caseather (talk) 03:11, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not really that new of a theory; it has been discussed before. Also, that's what Sasuke said so we actually should go with that until Kishi says otherwise. --GoDai (talk) 03:42, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Earth Release
Can't we add that earth release is one of the natures used tomakethism since deidara has earth and explosion release?--76.92.243.71 (talk) 20:24, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's still speculation. Earth release could very well be what is used to make the clay not the kekkei genkai.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 20:27, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Explosion Release
In light of the recent episode, can't we confirm that Deidara can't make the clay by himself? I mean, he was shown trying to find clay in the most recent episode, And I believe the controversy was whether or not he made the clay. Now that that's confirmed to not be true, cann we say that earth release is definitely a component of explosion release now?--Asian711 (talk) 03:22, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

It was never stated nor thought that Deidara could make the clay. Oh and just because a jutsu uses a specific substance doesnt mean that it makes up the nature transformation, like Asuma's Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning, it uses gunpowder but it's not gunpowder release.98.26.240.62 (talk) 03:38, September 28, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan

Earth Release again
I somehow reread Deidara's fight against Sasuke and came to the conclusion, that Earth must be part of Explosion for the following reason: Sasuke used his Lightning to defuse the bomb, right? Right. However, we know that the clay is not what explodes, it's the chakra. It doesn't matter what nature the clay includes (if any), because it's the chakra that's exploding and it's the chakra that can be defused by Lightning. I think this is a perfect case of being spoon fed, we just overlooked it somehow. • Seelentau 愛 議 17:36, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Doesn't help us determine the other nature tho, does it? Earth+Wind or Earth+Lightning? Or even Earth+Yin/Yang/Yin-Yang/Insert Kishi Bullshit--Elve Talk Page 17:41, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think there are advanced natures that contain Yin or Yang. Those two were said to exist outside of the elemental natures. • Seelentau 愛 議 17:58, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * So what is Blaze, Fire with different name, color and effects?--Elve Talk Page 18:04, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Fire + Lightning. • Seelentau 愛 議 18:09, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Does the book say so? In that case, Itachi doesn't have Blaze, cause no Lightning for him?--Elve Talk Page 18:40, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, he doesn't. Well, my theory falls apart then. I asked Kishimoto's assistant and the official account, but I doubt I'll get an answer. • Seelentau 愛 議 18:42, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

yes the book says that. Munchvtec (talk) 18:42, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Jin no Sho says that Enton is Katon+Raiton? Are you sure or just making that up?--Elve Talk Page 18:49, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * He's making it up. I haven't read everything yet, but so far, I've found no indication on it. Also, Kishimoto's assistant replied. He can't answer it because he's no staff author. :/ • Seelentau 愛 議 19:41, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sigh, this ain't no place for complaining, but things that should have been revealed/explained and things that should have happened just didn't, rather we've got "answers" and events no one asked for, like randomized natures for fodders and ugly children--Elve Talk Page 19:47, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

...am I the only one who thinks that we were better off without this databook X[...anyway...what is more important is that if explosion really is an advanced nature...then how the fuck can it be neutralized by a single nature...it's like haku's ice should've been melted [or destroyed or whatever] when sasuke used his fire on it...since ice is water+wind and fire>wind right?...but that shit didn't happen...so why is this case the way it is...the relationships between the natures are getting bullshitter than ever...--DARK ZER06 (talk) 21:53, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Nah, the databook has good stuff too, it just didn't answer some stuff we wanted to know and explained things differently than how we guessed them to be, thus we are butthurt. But it indeed is disappointing that Naruto has ended without all advanced natures having been shown and properly addressed--Elve Talk Page 21:57, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Lightning confirmed
Ok we have 3 unknown KKG(all lightning based) and 1 KKG with unknown natures, which leads to conclusion that one of explosion release natures is lightning. Should it be noted in trivia? ./ Rage gtx (talk) 22:55, December 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's right. Unless Kishi trolls us again like with Enton, Lightning is one of the natures here--Elve Talk Page 15:22, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Gonna have to be that guy now. Logical it may be, until there is some sort of tangible proof, this is speculation.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 15:59, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Deidara natures are Earth and Lightning release. (Kuroiraikou (talk) 16:06, December 6, 2014 (UTC))
 * Not tangible. Sasuke's natures are Fire, Lighting and Yin, and yet we have a Blaze Release that apparently just exists. Speculation is speculation, regardless of how logical it stands.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 16:08, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Sasuke also has Water, Wind and Earth charka nature that could of made up blaze release. Just because Sasuke only displayed fire and lighting doesn't mean he didn't have those chakra natures at the time. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 16:32, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Had the 4th databook shown Deidara's natures, we could think about what basic natures Explosion Release is made of, but since it didn't happen…--Nature Icon Life.svgJOA20 17:39, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * Fire + Wind -> Scorch, Fire + Lightning -> ???, Fire + Earth -> Lava, Fire + Water -> Boil, Wind + Lightning -> ???, Wind + Earth -> Magnet, Wind + Water -> Ice, Lightning + Earth -> ???, Lightning + Water -> Storm, Water + Earth -> Wood. Blaze Release doesn't exist, no matter how you look at this, Explosion Release contains Lightning Release. We should at least mention that it does, since it wouldn't do us much harm.--Omojuze (talk) 21:28, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Reasonable speculation is still speculation, no matter how "logical" it seems to be. Has to be stated in this case first.  ~•WS7125 [Mod] 21:31, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * But it's not speculation. There is valid proof in this, which is not hard to look into. Since we know that nature kekkei genkai are made out of 2 of the 5 natures, and with the confirmed kekkei genkai we have, it is easily understandable that Lightning Release is in Explosion Release. And I'm not speculating that this kekkei genkai is made out of "Nature A" and Lightning Release, I'm just suggesting noting this piece of trivia.--Omojuze (talk) 21:36, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * "*Sigh*"

- I don't think that we should just blindly follow Kishi's words and apply a bit of outside logic ourselves.
 * No, we won't apply anything Kishi does not say or imply, logical or not. This is Narutopedia, and we're expected to report whatever Kishi says or implies. That won't change.  ~•WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 21:44, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Literally, what you linked has nothing to do with this discussion. That was official information and we were using non-official one. This is different, as no official information was given, I am just suggesting to apply some basic logic. Sigh... I'm giving up, it seems that there is no point arguing as you won't just do anything until Kishi himself reaches out his hand for you to follow.--Omojuze (talk) 21:48, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * My point in linking that was to show that we had a dispute over two things: Following what Kishi says, or doing logical things for our own convenience. And look who won, Kishi. Yes, we won't do anything until Kishi does reach out his hand. The bed we made. We've done that for years.  ~•WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 21:53, January 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * We speculated on the chakra natures Magnet release is made of so why would this be any different? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 02:37, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

This is different because of this, if it was made of lightning release then why the hell would lightning release users be able to disable deidara and his techniques?? Sasuke in the battle with him and Omoi all said he had earth release so we know earth release is part of explosion release, but lightning release makes no sense here. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 04:13, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * For the last damned time, that wasn't speculation. The databook implied that Magnet is Earth and Wind by showing us Rasa's elements. That was from the databook. That's no theory, and no speculation, ffs. We've taken many implications from the manga and we did the same damn thing with the databook. Nothing contradicted the implication, therefore it is what it f*$%ing is.  ~•WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 04:33, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * "Reasonable speculation is still speculation, no matter how "logical" it seems to be. Has to be stated " You said stated, not hinted or implied. While it is hinted at being made of Earth and Wind, the databook is notorious for forgetting out chakra natures thus making it speculation as it is not a reliable source. A judge doesn't convict a person of murder because it's implied they committed the crime. They need solid evidence. Simple as that. The evidence that Explosion release is made of lighting release is the fact that the other nature combinations are 100% accurate according to this wiki, making this theory 100% correct. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 05:57, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * And nothing contradicted the implication, therefore, it's valid. We've taken many implications from the manga, some that we've accepted, many we've shot down, so many you don't have a clue. And we did the same with the databook. The databook literally told us that Magnet is Wind + Earth. Rasa's elements are Magnet, Wind, Earth, Water and Yin. Magnet Release was called a nature transformation. However, it was never stated to be a single element like Blaze was, therefore, it's made of two natures. Yin is no elemental nature, therefore, it can't be combined with other elements. Wind + Water = Ice. Earth + Water = Wood. All of those are facts. What does that leave? Earth + Wind and there you f---ing go. How the hell is that not stated enough? That's literally what the databook handed us on a silver platter. So if you don't like it, then hop on a plane and talk to Kishi. Magnet Release has brought a clusterf*ck to this wiki, and frankly, the databook comes by and tells us what it is, and people call it speculation because they don't like the databook. It's no theory, and no speculation.
 * I find it hilarious how the same people who call Magnet = Earth + Wind "speculation" are the same people who condemn the databook.
 * Well, guess what? Sorry to say this, but the 4th databook said Magnet = Earth + Wind. :) Let me be very clear: We will not throw away the databook just because a couple fans don't like it. Magnet = Earth + Wind, confirmed and stated by the 4th damned databook, lemme be anal about it. I'm at the very limits of my patience.

And I suggest you don't bring up Magnet again. Otherwise, a sysop may just close this discussion. 4th databook came by and said Magnet = Earth + Wind. It said nothing about Explosion, it didn't show us Deidara's elements. So don't compare it to Magnet. Magnet does nothing but bring clusterf*cks and sh*tstorms, as seen here.  ~•WS7125 [Mod] 06:43, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 06:48, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Now back to the topic, what @ItachiWasAHero said, didn't Deidara's article state that his clay is susceptible to lightning? And I don't see lightning in Deidara's infobox or any of his techniques, so I don't know where "Deidara has Earth and Lightning" came from, someone please inform me on that. Hells, maybe Explosion Release is made of three natures like Dust Release is (though I doubt it, that's a KKT). We just don't know for now.  ~•WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 07:08, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

Ok since one who started this topic was me, i clarify: explosion release has lightning release as one of basic natures. If some folks don't see that it only mean they can't understand Venn diagram info representation. Since "magnet" word is taboo i will use Hashi's Yin as example(even tho this one is not accurate). We know that Genjutsi is Yin and Hashirama has Kokuangyo therefore has Yin(Naruto's and Sasuke's Yin-yang goes same way). So what we know about explosion release? First and most valuble statment is: Combination of two elemental natures is KKG Second: Gari is stated to be user of elemental KKG(Bakuton). Usage of more that two(three) natures simultaneously is called KKT Now mister Venn will help us. We know all nature KKG exept two of them(by names) and know narures of all KKG exept three of them. Since Bakuton is KKG(stated in manga) it has only two natures. So Bakuton is one of three KKG with unknown natures(all of them have lightning as part). Therefore Bakuton has lightning. Now about Deidara, you folks forget explanation that written by our user on Dei's talkpage(it was Seel-san i think). By manga alone Deidara has only earth release and explosing figurines are earth release technique. It was explaned that way: figurines are indeed earth based technique but Deidara imbued them with his explosion release chakra and because of that they can explode. Sasuke using lightning release on figurines breaks them(doton based) and that's why they can't explode. All i said about bakuton is true and stated by facts given by manga and DB. Only way lightning release as part of explosion release can be false if Kish retcons himself. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 10:01, January 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * You posted a whole lot just to for me to repeat "Until a databook or something actually tells us this, then it is speculation and will not be added to the article." I suggest you find something else to do with your time because you are wasting it with this.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 13:29, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * I actually agree with him. If we add Magnet as Wind and Earth combination because there's no other combination possible, then we should add Lightning as a part of Explosion Release, because there's no other combination possible here, as well. Furthermore, we know from the manga that Deidara has Earth Release and since the clay is just clay that gets infused with chakra, the chakra is Earth Release chakra. Or so we thought until Explosion Release was revealed. The chakra in the clay is Explosion Release, which is based on Earth and Lightning. There's always a small chance that we're wrong on these things, but we took the risk on Rasa's issue, so why not here? It's based on the same logic. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:49, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

I too think that adding a "it is hinted (or suggested) to have earth & lightning" might not be a bad idea at all...& when we are proven otherwise, we can simply change it back...is that bad? --DARK ZERO--talk 14:05, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Agree with TU3. Here's the difference between Rasa and Deidara, Tau: We figured out Magnet with the elements Rasa was confirmed to have. Deidara wasn't confirmed to use lightning by the databook, I don't think. So unlike Rasa's case, we'd be handing Deidara an extra element he wasn't confirmed to have. Or so. And what of Gari as well?  ~•WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 15:07, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * 1. Deidara doesn't have the elemental chart at all (neither does Gari). 2. We added Water Release to Mū because of one of his techniques as well, so that shouldn't be a problem. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:14, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * We added Water to Mū? Hell. Magnet = Earth + Wind was backed up by the databook, Tau. Not sure about Explosion = Earth + Lightning. Did the manga or databook say anything about that?  ~•WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 15:17, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think we did, didn't we? And it was only indirectly backed up by the databook, keep that in mind. We only added it because there's no other possible combination. The same goes for Explosion Release: All three blank advanced natures are partially lightning. Explosion Release is one of those three blank advanced natures. Whereever you would put it in the chart, it would always be partially lightning. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:20, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

Hells, Explosion Release could be Fire+Lightning packed up in an Earth Release clay. We don't know. I'd rather see Deidara's element chart. And isn't Deidara and his techniques weak to lightning?  ~•WS7125 [Mod] 15:28, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Why would clay be Earth Release? That was never even hinted at. However, it was confirmed that Deidara's explosive chakra is made of Earth Release, since Sasuke's Lightning Release could diffuse it. And no, Mu only has all natures because of his hiding technique, which is said to manipulate water. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:34, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * So the manga hinted at Explosion = Lightning + Earth by Deidara and Sasuke's fight? Alrighty then. As long as it can be referenced, I guess. I'm just wondering where was it confirmed Deidara can use Lightning, though.  ~•WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 15:47, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * It wasn't, why would you think that? Explosion Release is one of the three missing advanced natures in the graph, and all of those three missing natures are partially made up of Lightning. There literally is no other possibility besides that. The same as it was with Magnet Release. And the manga confirmed that Deidara's explosive chakra is partially made up of Earth Release, so we have our two natures. I know it's not outright confirmed, but neither are Magnet Release's natures. • Seelentau 愛 議 16:10, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * So Deidara can now use Lightning Release. No elemental chart from the databook, no lightning release technique in the manga, nothing. *shrugs*  ~•WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 16:17, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't just flat out say that Earth and Lightning make up Explosion Release, but the kekkei genkai 100% has Lightning Release, as it is clear by putting the kekkei genkai into the chart. As for the Earth Release, I believe it was said that Deidara's clay is created by mixing Explosion Release with Earth Release, or wasn't it? But one thing's for sure, Explosion Release definitely contains Lightning and there is no proof why it wouldn't.--Omojuze (talk) 16:22, January 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * No, it wasn't. It was said that Deidara used the Earth Release seal for his techniques (not to create the clay, mind you). • Seelentau 愛 議 16:35, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

I support this. Unlike Blaze, Explosion was actually stated to be kekkei genkai/advanced nature, therefore 2 basic natures merged. And no matter how you look at the diagram, Lightning is one of the natures for Explosion.--Elve Talk Page 14:07, January 5, 2015 (UTC)