Talk:Sage Transformation

Databook stuff
From the databook:
 * Having found out that the origin of Jugo's power was the Ryuchido, Orochimaru concluded that the Curse Seal's natural shape was "Senjutsu".
 * In Jugo's village, the state after invoking the power of Senjutsu is referred to as "Sage Transformation".

• Seelentau 愛 議 02:26, July 13, 2015 (UTC)

WTF is "natural shape" supposed to mean? Natural state? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:39, July 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * The word used there is 正体 shōtai, meaning "natural shape;  one's true colors;  one's true colours;  true character;  identity;  true identity". • Seelentau 愛 議 02:59, July 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't really understand it.--Elve Talk Page 13:25, July 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's basically what the manga told us: Orochimaru found out that Jugo's power comes from the Dragon Earth Cave and concluded that it nothing but Senjutsu. The Curse Seal is basically artifical Senjutsu, with the Sage Transformation being a "wild" version of the Sage Mode. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:30, July 13, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, so nothing new then. If you have Jugo Clan's body, you transform into that instead of ordinary Sage Mode, right?--Elve Talk Page 13:42, July 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * If you can't control it, yes. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:44, July 13, 2015 (UTC)

Sage Transformation is not Sage Mode
The Databook says it gives the user the ability to use Senjutsu, but doing Senjutsu alone is not what Sage Mode is. We see clear, defined differences between the two transformations (from power output, to appearance, to drawbacks and everything). Classifying Sage Transformation as Sage Mode is just downright dishonest and misleading.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:58, May 20, 2018 (UTC)
 * Currently, I do not have a position in this Sage Mode/Transformation debacle, however, this was discussed here, with Tau claiming the databook affirmed the exact opposite of what you are saying and thus both techniques are the same (with him making the respective edit), and this brought up again by you after the discourse died off, and now you are reviving it once more. From re-reading the previous consultation, I am curious, since again, I haven't taken a side: what new evidence did you encounter from the last time that refutes Tau's claim? 06:40, May 20, 2018 (UTC)