Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36512555-20180814043009/@comment-34194151-20180909005114

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Obito's kamui was most certaintly the main factor. You can even see the exclamation marks on minato's face. Reaction to stimulus slows down reaction time, this is a proven fact. Ayy's hand moved. you can clear see at first ay's hand isn't quite near minato's face at first, then in the next panel it's touching his nose. you are comparing apples and oranges. minato has enough common sense to know that if he didn't use ftg, he would have a disfigured face. obito grabbed his hand and minato still surprised, and in the next panel, he hasn't bothered using ftg because he isn't in eminent danger yet once he was got out of there. both characters tagged minato, hence me saying obito hardly did better, and he had mulitple elements of surprise on minato there. Even in the manga, there is no indicator of how much time passed there, as obito rather immediately started warping him away, and minato countered it. And also, like I said, it took obito forever to touch minato's hand as well. The kunai would have decapitated obito if not for kamui. You skip that part and handwave it, then don't cite the part where minato is surprised his already moving hand just moved through another living thing, as if that living thing wasn't there. and his hand literally moved right into obito's hand, more or less, where as minato's hand was stationary and easy to manuever when he was fighting ayy. Also, there is the fact that minato and obito ran at each other at the same speed, but yet we never see minato running towards raikage, so how exactly does this prove that obito did better, when he and minato ran the same speed, whereas minato seemingly could only react to the raikage with FTG, though his hand speed was noticeably greater. at the last second, he didn't even try to meet him half way. Obito couldn't even pressure minato with his hand speed + running speed, all he did was rely on kamui and weapon tactics. then the one time obito actually seems to match minato in hand speed, it was all a trap for FTG level 2.

2. No he wasn't looking at the kunai, he was looking at minato on the tree. his words and the camera angles show that. You still haven't explained how the kunai is moving when it has no motion lines. Look at chapter 542 pg 13, and you can clearly see movement lines on each kunai. the one on pg 14 lacks those markings. Raikage didn't have time because minato' didn't give him the time. He teleported to the kunai the instant after he teleported to the tree.

3. You aren't understanding me here. There are different types of speed. The only way a character is getting "whatjusthappenedspeedblitzed" is if they are several tiers below the other character by manga logic, where you can track other people as long as they aren't too many tiers above you, to the point that they can't see or react to the other character's shunshin. Madara obviously had the ability to react to and track Ayy, doesn't mean he is as fast in running speed. he may very well simply be a greater match for Ayy in taijutsu due to EMS plus his own hand to hand speed. He could have outsmarted ayy and blindsided him, he could have caught him in genjutsu. There are many possiblities here other than him being faster than Ayy in running speed. are we gonna say gai is as fast obito who apparently can matchup kcm naruto's running speed (which by extension claims that gai is as fast as kcm naruto in running speed) just because gai could react to obito and fight him in CQC? of course not. different types of speed/skills involved.