Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170909171417/@comment-33308438-20171010160729

LegionZero wrote: Genjutsu can be broken with simple chakra control.

Kakshi cut a lightning bolt sure, buy that doesnt mean he chased it down and cut it. For all we know he stood in place with his hand in the air and let the bolt come to him. Sasuke did something similar with Kirin. Even if Kakshi did chase down or flinch and hit the bolt, then Minato is way faster then that. Never has Kakshi been legitimately shown to move as fast or nearly as fast as Minato. Kakshi has never been noted for his speed either.

You are literally high balling and hyping everyone elses speed. Hashirama or Orochimaru were never noted to be anywhere near as fast as Tobirama and Tobirama admitted that Minato has faster shunshin. Hiruzen was never noted to be as fast as Tobirama either.

You are equating "strongest" with "best in every stat" and in Naruto that is simply not the case.

Also Minato can lay his markings anywhere and has marked kunai in the off chance someone covered other markings. Enmas cage is useless because again, MINATO TELEPORTS. He can also just summon toads to deal with Enma amd make him a non-factor in this fight. I dont know if you've ever heard this, but enma is diamond hard. He will simply destroy all those toads, no doubt. Well speaking of teleporting, first he has to mark hiruzen or the surroundings. Hiruzen should be aware of that and not let minato go once he catches him, with the help of enma. In war arc, against juubito, when he biltzed the first three kage, only hiruzen was capable of getting out of the way , not even tobirama could escape, which clearly makes him faster than tobirama in foot speed. Not just that, when minato used FTG and teleported himself along with gamabunta, naruto and Sasuke, Hiruzen reached the destination at the same time , and this was his foot speed, not shunshin , as the director always makes it clear when someone uses shunshin.

So hiruzen has the reflexes and foot speed to tackle minato, since he could equate his footspeed to something as fast as thungergod teleportation.

I never said strongest = Fastest. I said oro is near equal to the base shunshin speed of minato and could keep up with his reflexes and speed and since hiruzen was capable of handling oro's reflexes at his old age, I dont get why he cant react to minato, considering this is his prime.

Kakashi was keeping up with minato lmao in the bell-stealing session, he was even confident he could beat minato, so that itself proves kid kakashi could keep up with base minato speed(not considering shunshin), kakashi also intercepted both naruto and Sasuke with chidori before they struck each other a second before and as you know, chidori raises the nerve transmission and increases your speed to great levels enough to bypass the sand defense of gaara. This was part one Sasuke. Kakashi has mastered the chidori and also has great base speed so all that combined will make him equal to minato even in shunshin speed with just foot speed. Still he was scared of orochimaru, and didnt even try to fight him.

So hiruzen mid diff.