Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-24163532-20160221025250

@Minato Then tell me why he would try to hit Sasuke with a flame such as Amaterasu? A Flame of extreme heat said to be as hot as the sun’s surface. A flame said to be /instant/. Doesn’t make sense.

@Ninja of War “No, he stated he needed to buy time with Gamaken, fact. Amegakure's unique terrain is not really suited for more giant toads. Furthermore, Jiraiya was running and hiding, three giant toads will stand out more than one giant toad don't you think?” Actually no I don’t think that. If Nagato can summon multiple summonings in Amegakure, It’s safe to assume Jiraiya could do the same, that’s idiotic. And the key thing here is Jiraiya needed time. Time which would have been easier on him if he summoned more. As I said it’s common sense, three giant toads > one giant toad. Stating otherwise makes you look ignorant and just sounds like you are just overplaying a character too much. Like dude, get over it, Jiraiya ain’t as strong as an emo such as Itachi. Oh well. “Nope, never said that. @LoneNinja was stating that it took Jiraiya hours to summon the sage toads, I merely pointed out that no time was given and that stating a specific time is not acceptable.” Hmm, looking over his posts from what I see, he never states hours, sounds like more bs you are spitting and makes me question your authenticity in your arguments. How much more bs do you pull out? If he has stated it took hours, quote it, but from what I see from this thread it isn’t said, though this thread is super long. “The simple answer is, in that situation it wasn't part of his battle strategy. The truth is that you have to prove that Jiraiya can't summon the sage toads and more toads, not the other way around.” Actually you are wrong about that. YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT. I don’t have to prove anything to you. You state Jiraiya has such an ability even though he was never stated to have such an ability. He has been shown to summon a max of two Sage toads at one time and one large toad a while before. Never was he shown to summon all three and the toad sages. So dude, you gotta prove he can even though if he could he most likely would of against Pein. Because as I said, if he wanted to bide Time, summoning the Gama squad would of gave him more time from the beginning since three toads have a better chance on defending Jiraiya against /only/ summonings that they battled. “Nowhere is it stated that Amaterasu is instant either lol.” It’s on the wiki, in the manga during the Sasuke vs Raikage a fight, and countless others. Let me break it down for you with an example, after I charge my eye with Amaterasu and my visual range is on your shoulder, the flame is instantly casted on your shoulder. I’ll paste the description of the technique taken from the wiki with a chapter in which it is stated to show you, once again. “Amaterasu produces black flames at the focal point of the user's vision” so from my position to where you stand in the example, Amaterasu instantly hits you, get over it. “In any case the whole point of Jiraiya going at "full force" is SM. This is referenced by Jiraiya himself, Gamaken(not Gama) and the sage toads after they were summoned.” After a bunch of bs you pulled out without evidence that shows you are right, I immediately think bs about everything you say. You dug the hole so far on yourself you think the only way out now is to continue arguing even though you are wrong. Then spit bs that was never stated. If it was indeed stated, tell me the manga chapter as well as the page it is stated that full force means only sage mode. “Full-force means to give your best and Jiraiya's best is SM.” You just said full force means your best, I think everyone can agree SM Jiraiya with Sage Toads and all Three Giant toads are better than just SM Jiraiya. “HaHaHa, you just contradicted yourself. By your logic, any jutsu that has a charge up is instant, which is not true.” Actually no I did not, when I refer to Amaterasu I mean the flame, as for the charge up, I don’t remember it, so if there is indeed a charge up, provide the chapter and page number and even if you do not, it does not disprove that the flame of Amaterasu is instant, and since you lack common sense I’ll state flame of Amaterasu since you’re idiotic. And no not by my logic all jutsu are instant you baka, Amaterasu is instant because it instantly reaches from Point A to Point B, Fire Ball for example takes time to reach from point A to point B, continue arguing all you want Jiraiya fanboy, you just make yourself look stupid. “Your comparisons are quite weak, irrelevant and mostly incorrect. If Haku was really moving at lightspeed, he would by far be the fastest character in Naruto, this is probably just an exaggeration.” Actually they are not, Haku is an incredible fast Shinobi and if you say otherwise you prove further you are an idiot dude. Also it’s not weak when you read the technique Haku used and its description on the wiki page which also provides a chapter where it was said, “Even if the opponent tries to attack the real body, Haku will have already moved to another mirror.[1] Without eyes like the Sharingan, it will be impossible to keep track of him.” Key word here, /impossible/ I advise you to look up the meaning. Haku does state he is moving Lightspeed, review the Anime before saying im wrong baka. Though I do not know if it was stated in the Manga cause I can’t remember that far back, though that description I gave shows enough. Haku moves so fast with his ice mirrors, that if you do not have the Sharingan, you cannot keep track of him. So again are you saying Toads can reach speeds that are impossible to keep track of for individuals such as Naruto, Minato, etc etc, cause if a Toad speed > then Sharingan, then the toads are faster than impossible level speed. “The fact that you say my points are bs, but then can't say which, speaks volumes. You also try to come at me with false accusations, which leads me to believe that you didn't read my posts in the first place.” I did lol two of them or can you not read? Also I am pretty sure I stated I did not read all your posts lol when I stated I wasn’t going to search this entire thread that has gone on for months for your bs posts, so again can you not read? “your logic is messy, contain weak and irrelevant comparisons, and full of holes could be seen as hypocritical on your part. Ignoring facts is unacceptable” Oh hypocritical now huh? LOL. I read some of your posts not all but your argument with Lone is a riot. You made a big deal over him stating things as facts when this entire thread and fight is assumption as well as Jiraiya being able to summoning 3 gama broskeys and the old geezurs but here you are, calling it a fact. Please provide a manga chapter where it states or shows Jiraiya summoning all five if you cannot then you are making an assumption and that means you are being hyprocitical to @Lone. Also I believe I have not made one contradiction, please show me through quotes of my contradictions. I have given supporting evidence taken from the wiki and manga itself, where is yours or are you just gonna spit bs and annoy me with ignorance so you can win this debate? That looks to be your aim.