Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-26107879-20160119212247

@Ninja of War 1)As far as the Manga is concerned, there are only three giant toads that Jiraiya could summon during the Pein Fight. 1. Gamabunta. 2. Gamaken. and 3. Gamahiro. Jiraiya was not shown summoning any other huge toads, the rest were way smaller. Besides these three and exluding their offspring, only one giant toad was ever shown and that was the Old Sage. Also Jiraiya can't summon multiple giant toads and the Toad Sages, it is extremely taxing. If he could of done that, he would have during his fight with Pein.

2) After reviewing it, Itachi was not facing Kabuto. He had put up a Amaterasu flame to hold Kabuto back and he and Sasuke were hiding behind what seemed to be pikes in the cave. He was not looking at Kabuto when the Genjutsu was performed thus he could not have seen it in order to reflect it.

3) It does take time. If you want me to be specific, then i will give you an exact time. Over an episode length. There's your time with a video, proving it. The comment about Choji was me making fun of you trying to state that it takes little time to summon them. I wasn't saying Choji was a werewolf, i was saying your assumptions with no evidence to backup your claim would be like me stating something ridiculious as Choji being a werewolf. Hopefully you undertsand that much.

4) If Itachi has the power to use Genjutsu on a foe as powerful as Kakashi or Tailed beast themselves, then a Giant Toad (never stated he'd use it on a toad sage but it is still possible he could) would be easier then controlling then one such as Kurama. It also depends on the Genjutsu itself. Not all Genjutsu restricts Itachi's movements. Sealing multiple flames is not an option. Jiraiya must keep his hands together, the sealing would require multiple hand signs and scrolls to use the technique. If you look under Jiraiya's tools page, he does not have any sealing scrolls, so since he did not prep, he has no scrolls. If other options are available that Jiraiya can do, and has the abilities listed on his page, then provide them.

5) Please provide me of a link to a Manga page or a document written by Kishi, stating Jiraiya knows almost all Itachi's abilities. If you state this a fact please provide evidence.

Itachi was able to Genjutsu Sasuke multiple times, use various Flame techniques. Amaterasu a few times without hitting Sasuke on purpose. Susanoo. Kill Orochimaru. And seal another Amaterasu blast inside Sasuke while on the verge of death. I say Jiraiya needs Sage Mode to win because the only techniques people use to beat Itachi is Sage based techniques. Itachi can instantly use mangekyo where as Jiraiya cannot. Jiraiya needs time in order to do Sage techniques, Itachi does not. It is not fan boy area because it is fact, read any Manga and tell me where it states Itachi needs time to go Mangekyo. Itachi doesn't even need Mangekyo. Genjutsu techniques would suffice.