Talk:Kaguya Ōtsutsuki

Uzumaki Clan
It isnt confirmed Hagoromo Otsutsuki' 05:40, June 20, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki
 * No. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:17, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

On Hagoromo becoming stronger than Kaguya
Those that say otherwise, please explain why this shouldn't be put inside the Trivia section: Though Hagoromo did admit that Kaguya was stronger than him, since he did defeat Kaguya/Shinju twice (Sealing them inside him with help from his brother then sealing them inside the moon) means that he technically became stronger than Kaguya and he gained 3 godly chakra sources (his, Kaguya's, and the Shinju).

I think this because when you defeat someone in battle, even if it's just for 1 battle, you're stronger than them.

If people disagree with this, please explain why. --Mike 05:54, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Manga fact....hagoromo admitted his mother was stronger Hagoromo Otsutsuki' 06:00, June 20, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki

I know that, however, he said that she "was" stronger. That is, past tense. Defeating your enemy means that your stronger. Even before Kaguya was introduced, it was stated that he became to be revered as a god for defeating another god, the Shinju. In turn, I think that dictates that he became a stronger god than the goddess that his mom was. --Mike 06:05, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Xundoshi dont edit others comments regardless of grammar also hagoromo stated his mother was far stronger then him.Hagoromo Otsutsuki' 06:18, June 20, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki

I'm trying to edit only my comments. --Mike 06:25, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Huh? Hagoromo Otsutsuki' 06:31, June 20, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki

I wasn't trying to edit other people's comments. I was only trying edit my own comments (shorten sentences, changing the words). --Mike 06:35, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

MY bad i didnt know you was Xundoshi Hagoromo Otsutsuki' 06:42, June 20, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki

I'm putting my name as Mike because I find it easier to put for my signature (it's also because Michael is my real name). --Mike 06:45, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Just because Hagoromo beat Kaguya doesn't mean he's stronger; it's not always the stronger person that wins a fight. Naruto beat Kabuto when he was way weaker than Kabuto. If it was Dragonball Z, then you could say that, but in this series factors of victory are varied, ranging from luck, timing, carelessness, being stronger, being more prepared, being a bad match up... the factors go on and on. Among the many Kage level shinobi, we can't truely say who is stronger cause some are more suited for fighting some more than others..... it's like rock paper scissors. With so many factors involved, we can't truly say who is stronger. Victory doesn't automatically mean your better. The better person doesn't always win.--Deathmailrock (talk) 23:20, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Rectifying the Kaguya-Shinju Contradiction
How can Kaguya be the "Progenitor of chakra" if the Shinju is the "Origin of all chakra", as stated in their articles? By no means am I trying to be difficult but maybe it should be mentioned that Kaguya is the progenitor, or foremother, of all chakra that dwells within humans/human chakra. And the shinju is the originator of everything else that consists of chakra, e.g. animals like the toad and snake sages. Cause I doubt they got their chakra passed down from Kaguya as well. In short, I can see visitors of the wiki getting confused when they glance past their articles.--The Zeitgeist (talk) 23:52, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Chapter 681 was confusing, and we're waiting for the raws for clarification, since there are so many discrepancies between the scanlations. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:19, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * "Rectifying the Kaguya-Shinju Contradiction" That sounds painful. Unless you're into that sort of stuff. You know what I mean. Biddy-biddy-biddy-biddy-biddy. --Silver-Haired Seireitou (talk) 01:57, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Sharingan/Rinnegan info.
"Kaguya >manifested an incarnation of the Shinju< that would become known as the Ten-Tails, intent on reclaiming the chakra she felt was rightfully hers."

"Sharingan and Rinnegan Kaguya wields her Rinnegan and Sharingan together as a third eye on her forehead in the >form of the Shinju's eye.<" - Now, on her page is says she created the Shinju.. So doesn't that mean that the Shinju has HER eye? Not the other way around? SusanooUnleashed (talk) 05:15, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Kaguya manifested the beast form (Ten-Tails), not the Shinju itself. We don't have the details yet, so we don't know who had the red Rinnegan/Sharingan eye first.--BeyondRed (talk) 06:21, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * So much speculation in the article...--Elveonora (talk) 11:37, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

My thoughts exactly, Elve. SusanooUnleashed (talk) 11:41, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

At this point, it isn't clear if the Shinju even had any eye to begin with. When Obito summoned a copy of it, it had the eye, but that was post-Kaguya merger. There isn't any indication that it had any eye before Kaguya ate its fruit or whatever did to it. Also Kaguya doesn't wield both Sharingan and Rinnegan as the third eye, the third eye is called just a Rinnegan.--Elveonora (talk) 12:39, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Kinkaku and Ginkaku
I noticed its no longer mentioned that the Gold and Silver Brothers are possibly her descendants. I feel it should be re-listed, i mean the family resemblance is rather obvious. Shadowfox337 (talk) 11:18, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * They were never said to be her descendants, but possibly the Sage's. Logic would dictate that they are her's as well; but that is not something we should mention in the article despite how "obvious" it is.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 12:45, June 21, 2014 (UTC)