Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180624145734/@comment-33286580-20180624234021

@Johnny

Yes. Yomutsu Hirasaka and Kamui are shown to work in two different ways, but their bassis is the same. they open a rip in space.

Kakashi's Kamui is no different. it opens a portal in space. His Kamui works by sending stuff at long distance into the Kamui dimension the same way that Obito does when he is close enough to someone and touches them. the early usage of it where he tore of Diedera's arm is due to he couldnot maintain the portal long enough. by the end of war he isnt having that problem. he can maintain the portal and suck people or things into Kamui dimension. and with both eyes he has perfect Kamui.

Yes, Kakashi only has to look at someone to cast Kamui. It will thus form a portal around Naruto that will try to suck him in. but remember that Minato was able to avoid such a portal with ease.

even if you say Yomotsu Hirasaka and Kamui are two different jutsu, they make portals. and it is by far stated that Yomotsu Hirasaka is the superior jutsu and even the origin of all spacetime jutsu. its portal creation is far faster than Kamui.

if Naruto could dodge an attack from Yomotsu Hirasaka which was opened behind his back, Naruto can also dodge the portals opened by Kamui to suck him in by blitzing it.

Okay Kakshi wrapped Yomotsu Hirasaka, but that was more like 2 same abilities cancelling each other out. the fact that Yomotsu Hirasaka wasnt aimed at him gave him the advantage.

No. so far never has anyone shown using Both MS abilities at the same time. Sasuke neither. he first created Amaterasu with one eye and then manipulated them with other. So Kakashi cannot do it at the same time too. because if he could he would have used it against Kaguya and it wasnt. Kakshi only used the intangible version.

Kakashi never sped past Kaguya's attack. he was never attacked in the first place. the attack you mention was on Sakura, and the only reason Naruto and Sasuke couldnt help her because they too were being attcked. Kakashi was safe. he just came by, probably from close by and scooped up Sakura. even after that the arm didnt go for him. Sasuke could have saved Sakura with Ameno, but plot had to show Kakashi with PS. He simply has no speed feat.

Speed matters against Kamui. Minato dodged it with his speed and reaction time. Naruto showed multiple cases of dodging it during the war.

the scene where Kakashi and Obito wrapped Obito to dimension of Kamui so fast is because it was both using their abilities. Obito was wrapping himself which was tad slower, but Kakashi's wrapping was faster and so it added up.

but to compare the speed of Naruto in his full power to a mere a TSB is ridiculous.

Again Kakashi never is shown to use both abilities at the same time. and nothing shows that both MS abilities can be used at the same time by the same user.

the PS doesnt come with Kamui infused shuriken. read the chapter please. Kakashi created those Shuriken with help of PS and then added his left eye Kamui power to them. but so what? they are going to be thrown at Naruto and you actually believe that Naruto cannot blitz past them.

6 Kamui Portals? once more, never has it shown that both MS can be used at the same time. Naruto can simply blitz past the shuriken, they have to hit him to work, which is impossible. Yomotsu Hirasaka the origin of all space time jutsu opens portals faster and Naruto dodged that so he can dodge Kamui portal from far away or while he is being sucked in. and Minato show that you can dodge Kamui even when you are caught by the portal.

the feats of Kamui...

- Yes. the ending was planned by Kakashi so Naruto worked according to it.

- Kamui is space time jutsu and no matter what anyone says its faster that 8Gate Gai. and just for reference, Minato was much closer to Gai when he wrapped TSB away. his was faster over all. again NAruto has speed feat surpassing Yomotsu Hirasaka.

- Sasuke's Ameno works in a certain range only, so indeed Obito has to keep it open for a while. it is no feet of speed.

Typo error. read the manga. Kakashi couldnt use Kamui with Susanoo. he was attacked Ash Bone and the Susanoo was destroyed while Kakashi phased through it. Kakashi was at that moment in Susanoo so he couldnot make Susanoo intangible along with him.

the intangibility is not forever. even for DMS Kakashi it shouldnt be. on that note, if he remain intangible how is even to attack.

the PS of Sasuke is far stronger. Sasuke has superior chakra. the power of SIx Paths CHakra. Rinnegan. he is originally an Uchiha. what more things does it need for Sasuke's PS to be greater than Kakashi's?

and you are right, one way of Naruto winning is by outlasting Kakashi, because in no way form can Kakashi even come close to Naruto in terms of chakra even with hax.

Kakashi is indeed haxxed. but rember that Naruto and in turn Sasuke are far greater haxxed characters than DMS Kakashi can ever be.

the hax of Naruto...

dodging Ranton jutsu by Madara at point blank which is databook states moves at speed of light.

dodging Yomotsu Hirasaka

hurting Limbo clones that do not exist in the living dimension.

Punching out Tenseigan Mode Toneri with one Kyubi chakra powered punch.

clashing wiht TSBs with mere hands and Rasengan.

creating a Rasegan so big in base that it kills a fused MOmo that even his Six Paths Sage Mode Kyubi Mode + Susanoo didnt completely kill off.

cutting the SHinju in half when even the Kage could barely break the branches of.

this is Naruto's win