Talk:Itachi Uchiha

itachi katana
pls edit itachi weapon to have a katana because previously he is an an anbu thanks.

Hey! where itachi's sword? in weapon tab?

Summoning: Lightning Blade Creation
I would like to make a case about Itachi having summoning seals in sleeves (and yes this time it would be reasonable and practical seeing as how big those sleeves were) in regards to how many shuriken he summoned. . Thomas Finlayson (talk) 17:00, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a very realistic and sound theory with absolutely no direct evidence whatsoever. --ShounenSuki (talk 17:47, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure exactly how to respond to that, but should we mention then that he was able to procure, use, possess (the exact word will be key) an uncommon and staggaring number of shuriken? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 02:53, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * No. ~SnapperTo 03:02, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 03:21, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Exactly. ~SnapperTo 04:05, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

LOL--Kyoto0 (talk) 07:35, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

he could have just caught the shurikens sasuke threw at him and then threw it back.
 * And where would sasuke get ALL of them from? it didnt look like he was catching them because if he was im sure the animators would have emphesized that part specifically... which they didnt.-- Vega
 * Sasuke had many shuriken in his wrist seal. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:58, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * The way I see it, Sasuke used Summoning: Lightning Blade Creation and threw the projectiles at Itachi. Itachi, in turn, caught maybe half of the projectiles and threw them at other oncoming projectiles in order to deflect them away from him... User:D!ABLO-32
 * indeed--Cerez☻ 17:45, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Have to agree with ShounenSuki's earlier post. Their really is no solid proof of anything. If it really comes down to it, their is a slightly stronger case that Itachi wasn't summoning them. If you look at Chapter 387, page 6, you'll notice that a key difference between Sasuke's shurikens and Itachi's shurikens is that Sasuke's has a puff animation associated with them. Indicating that they were summoned. However, Itachi's shurikens never do. This leads me to my next point, if Itachi wasn't using ninjutsu, that really only leaves two other options: taijutsu or genjutsu. As mentioned, in the case of taijutsu he was probably using a few shurikens on his person in addition to grabbing them out of the air and flinging them right back at Sasuke. Somewhat improbable, but not impossible. But more importantly, I would like to make a point that maybe Itachi was partially using genjutsu. My logic is that Itachi, since he probably wasn't using ninjutsu, was in actuality using half taijutsu, half genjutsu to counteract Sasuke's attack. Their is two main ways Itachi could have been using genjutsu: A) creating illusions of where he was in Sasuke's mind. Which would cause Sasuke to throw shurikens in the wrong direction; making them easier to dodge. or B) He created illusions of his shurikens hitting Sasuke's shurikens, and in actuality was just avoiding them. I again would like to point out that I don't think Itachi using genjutsu for that entire scene. It would have been at least some taijutsu (if not ninjutsu), because of all the shurikens remaining on the floor following Sasuke breaking Itachi's tsukuyomi. In conclusion: their is no solid evidence of what type of jutsu Itachi was using against Sasuke. But I would like to think it was a combination of taijutsu/genjutsu, since Itachi's shurikens didn't have summoning puff associated with them.--69.205.180.81 (talk) 04:12, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Image
I'm not a fan of the current lead image. Since it has the advantage of being hugely big, I'm reluctant to change it out of the blue to something under 500px. Assuming there is anyone who also dislikes the current Itachi image, do any of these seem like improvements? ~SnapperTo 17:51, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Big ≠ good quality and the quality of the current image is actually rather poor.
 * Of those images, I'd say either the second or the third one. The last one is rather good as well, though. Isn't there one that also shows the top of his head and his necklace? --ShounenSuki (talk 18:02, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe in Shippduen. I can only find Shippduen screenshots up to episode 40, and the options of Itachi aren't worth sharing. ~SnapperTo 18:20, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have found two images from his chat with Naruto in shippuuden., . I am mostly for number two, but seeing those images from his first appearance, i have begun to think that one were his colar are unbottomed and his necklace can be seen, might also be a good idea. --Gojita (talk) 23:16, August 29, 2010 (UTC)Gojita


 * I also like your second image amongst the available options. Maybe we could circumvent the issue of the missing necklace by replacing File:Itachi Appearence.PNG with an image of Itachi without the Akatsuki cloak? ~SnapperTo 00:39, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with the whole change thing but not because of the size it's more how it depicts the character. Itachi always had a more neutral look on his face and from the current lead image I get more of a hardcore villain instead of a guy with an interesting twist in his story. That said I say #7 (the last one) --Cerez365 (talk) 00:57, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * or #5 :D --Cerez365 (talk) 00:58, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * You have good idea there Snapper, but such pictures are only from his fight with Sasuke and there he was a bloody mess, so doubt that will work. --Gojita (talk) 06:42, August 30, 2010 (UTC)Gojita

Isn't this pic better than the last one? akz! (talk) 16:36, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the current's better. --Ilnarutoanime 16:53, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

But the current one was not clear and Itachi was looking ugly too... I think this pic is much better... akz! (talk) 02:29, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

That image is too dark, it hides his chin making him look awkward, and it's almost impossible to see the Sharigan, something that Itachi has active 99% of the time. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:44, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * okk akz! (talk) 10:24, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

About this though, we're still up for changing it yes?--Cerez365™ 13:09, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

If a proper image is found, I think so. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:30, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I liked UchihaItachi.png, the one being used when I made this comment. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:02, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

yeah...but from which episode is it taken ?! akz! (talk) 02:07, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I haven't a clue that's why the "No media no" tag. I think Snapper would know but he doesn't seem to be around as of late.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 02:18, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

It maybe from Naruto 82 or 83.. But I'm not sure akz! (talk) 02:23, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

/Other_Anime/Naruto/Screenshots/Episodes/Episodes_081-100/Episode_082/Naruto-Episode082_327.jpg Derrick 03:06, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Appearance
Weren't Itachi's fingernails a color like purple at a time? -Fah
 * It is purple. talk

Different Pic
i have a waaaaaay better pic for it...its kinda cute too...^^ - Hinata-Chan Hyuga 21:50, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Horrible image. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:36, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Pictures unviable
i can't view two of the images on the article itself, namely theese two... se my point... or not? --Gojita (talk) 06:42, August 16, 2010 (UTC)Gojita


 * I see them. ~SnapperTo 06:56, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't, and the same thing happens on other pages. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 07:03, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I experienced the same thing at my wikia, the Shaman King wikia and with the EMS image in Madara's article. My solution was to reupload them under a different filename and it all seemed to work fine. --Gojita (talk) 15:16, August 16, 2010 (UTC)Gojita
 * I had this problem a week or so ago. The images are there, they just aren't loading. It's a problem with the wiki that eventually corrects itself. ~SnapperTo 16:41, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep. For example, I can't see Danzō's infobox picture, nor the first non-infobox image in his article. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:45, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Drawing Mistake
http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/72932747/9 For one panel Itachi Headband isn't scratched despite the fact that other panels show it scratched. Kishi made a mistake, should go in trivia.Umishiru (talk) 07:18, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe scanlators' mistake? They cleaned it out accidentally? --Kiadony (talk) 12:10, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Kishimoto-sensei making mistakes is inevitable. There is no reason to mention them all. —ShounenSuki (talk 15:23, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia
i dont know if this belongs here but has anyone noticed how similar itachi and severus snape from harry potter are i mean they both were thought to be villians but than turned out to be "good" and both died eventually, also both were black cloaks have black hair and have a arguable evil look on their face81.10.220.248 (talk) 17:54, September 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Those are common fictional elements. Not worth noting. ~SnapperTo 23:38, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Lover
its stated by Madara Uchiha that Itachi had a lover. anyone know who she is
 * Nope. All that is known is that Itachi killed her during the massacre. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 11:55, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Or him Fangzntalonz (talk) 12:56, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Quite sad how he had to kill most likly her and the clan. The reason behind 'most likly' is cause she might not be from the uchiha though he wouldn't see her ever again after he missin-nin.

Well, for one whom had just killed his entire family, I don't think he hesitated for long at any rate even if he did love him/her Because in the end, the only one he loved enough not to kill was Sasuke. --Njalm2 (talk) 06:06, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Its kind of funny how if she was alive i wonder if she new sasuke...and i wonder what kind of information about itachi he could of gotten out of her..--Black-Light (talk) 00:33, June 1, 2011 (UTC)Black-Light


 * Why would you be assuming Itachi's lover is a she? —ShounenSuki (talk 00:54, June 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Because, as of yet, there have been no openly homosexual couples in the manga, not even a hint of one. Therefore, until there is, it is safe to assume that Itachi's lover was in fact a woman. I think any other suggestion is ludicrous. --- Ten Tailed Fox 01:03, June 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * You said "as of yet" that still doesn't mean his lover was female. Not that it matters in any case but it's still a valid assumption regardless of however ludicrous it may seem to you.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 01:40, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Last words
In the translation I read, his last words, are "I'm sorry Sasuke, there won't be a next time." In relation to how he always tapped Sasuke's forehead and said maybe next time. Does this not make more sense? DemonFoxsCloak (talk) 01:33, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

Itachi's age
Which exacly age was Itachi when he murdered he's family?83.6.31.142 (talk) 18:47, November 28, 2010 (UTC)Ren
 * Going by the what both the manga and the databook gave us, he was about thirteen. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:49, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

```` Yes he was 13, maybe 14 at the most, but thats the extreme limit.

sasuke
it says in the begining paragraph the sasuke is his brother but not in the family section in the data table. just wondering why this was?


 * The central Wikia broke loads of things used in our infoboxes. Some have been fixed, some have been worked around by our guy who handles these codings, some only Wikia can fix. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:55, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

ITACHI WEAPON
Hi! i think we should add Yata Mirror to uchiha itachi's weapon group together with the sword and sword of totsuka
 * I think only tools that are classified as offensive are listed in the infobox. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:37, December 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * but in fairness to the uchiha itachi fans maybe we should add yata mirror to weapons.
 * yes its a defensive weapon but it is also categorized as a weapon itachi wield dont you think?

take back katana or sword to itachi,s weapon arsenal he's an ANBU!

Itachis gift to Naruto
Hey guys, I was looking aroung this forum but couldn't find an actual logical answer to the theory what itachy gave naruto in form of the black raven... are there any suggestions?
 * We're not here to speculate. That discussion belongs on a forum. Teamrocketspy621 (talk) 17:52, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

There isnt any diskussion to it... morelikely the question IF there are information. "lernen bildet"
 * You're not making any sense, you know that? This is a wiki, a source of information, not a forum for speculation about what Itachi gave Naruto, because the information you're looking for is only known to the writer. The answer you want can only be speculated about at this point, so be patient and wait for it to be revealed in the manga. Also, I don't appreciate you insulting me on my talk page. You'd better be pretty glad I'm not reporting such behavior. Teamrocketspy621 (talk) 19:23, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

I think Itachi gave Naruto a weapon or ability to combat Sasuke or protect the village; Itachi then placed a trigger in Sasuke while implanting Amaterasu. It is always a good idea to think up possibilities for the Narutoverse, it could be helpful in the future when new information comes to light. --Alastar 89 (talk) 05:10, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * This isn't a forum.--Cerez™☺ 05:19, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Couldn't help myself. :P --Alastar 89 (talk) 08:29, April 6, 2011 (UTC)

Now as Naruto is going to fight Nagato and Itachi ..... maybe Itachi will tell him about the power that he gave to him. akz! (talk) 02:31, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

In the most recent chapter (#549) in the last panel on the 'final' page the crow Itachi had Naruto swallow emerged from the latter's mouth, bearing the Mangekyō Sharingan in its [visible] eye in correspondance with the activation of Itachi's own Mangekyō. --. 12:19, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

but if you take a good look and compare the mangeko that shows on the crow and itachis its different the most obvious difference is itachi"s has 3 points the crow"s has 4--DragonStyleNaruto (talk) 19:09, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Guess we'll have to wait for the next chapter for an [adequate] answer. --. 04:01, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Specialty
I noticed that you list Itachi's specialty in genjutsu due to his low stamina, but I don't recall seeing it anywhere in the manga. I'm just wondering if it was in a fanbook or databook or am I missing a chapter, or is it a fan suggestion?
 * If he has low stamina, it means he doesn't have lots of chakra, and we know that he avoids getting into actual fight, so genjutsu is the obvious conclusion of his specialty. He just prefers genjutsu to ninjutsu and taijutsu. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:08, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Its also very sensible, given that Genjutsu is incapable of killing in most scenarios meaning that it is the perfect form of self-defense for a Pacifist like Itachi - not to mention that his Tsukuyomi was unrivalled at any point in the series that we know of, which naturally hints quite openly at a Specialism in Genjutsu. --Njalm2 (talk) 16:39, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * That and the fact that he uses genjutsu the most.--Cerez365™☺ 16:46, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

clone from nowere?
in his fight agents kakashi in nauto 1 he just makes a clone without a single hand seal and it appears behind kakashi also could any clone itachi creates explodes like Clone Great Explosion ? with two jutsus he can wipe out any opponent so.....what the heck--Sasori soul (talk) 19:42, January 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well first, it has to be a shadow clone, second, Itachi could have made it without anyone seeing him ( don't forget he is incredibly fast at making seals), and third he wouldn't use Clone Great Explosion every time he gets in a fight because I would imagine it uses a lot of chakra, and that's something Itachi doesn't have a lot of. ~ Fmakck - Talk - Contributions 19:50, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Blaze Release
Should we add Blaze Release to Itachi's page? He clearly shows the ability to control the amaterasu during his fight with Sasuke. Timeel39 (talk) 03:42, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not to the degree Sasuke did. The only forms of control Itachi showed over Amaterasu was stopping it by ceasing to use the technique closing his eye, unlike Sasuke who actively put them out with his eyes; and directing it to where he wanted by looking at the target and a general area, unlike Sasuke, who shaped Amaterasu around himself as a form of defense, and then reshaped it in order to attack. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:46, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Simply closing his eyes would not put out the flames, otherwise the forest would not keep burning. ~SnapperTo 04:05, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * That Amaterasu was already burning on top of something. When he closed his eyes, the Amaterasu which was burning Sasuke's Fire Release stopped, and since there was nothing left for it to burn, it went out. When he opened his eyes again, the flames reappeared, and then he looked Sasuke running around, making Amaterasu chase him until it hit the giant hand/wing Sasuke got when he used the second level of the Cursed Seal of Heaven. That's the most logical explanation I could think for that issue. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:13, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * None of that indicates that ceasing to use Amaterasu causes the flames to go out. It burns until it runs out of fuel, as is the case with Sasuke's fire, or because the user extinguishes the flames selectively, as is the case with Itachi to Sasuke (leaving the forest burning) and Sasuke to Karin (leaving Bee burning). ~SnapperTo 04:24, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ceasing to use Amaterasu was just the way I found most appropriate to word it. Anyway, Itachi still didn't display what we saw Sasuke call Blaze Release, so I don't think he should be listed as using it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:37, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Itachi's Speed
Itachi was noted to be extremely fast, to the point where even some experienced Sharingan wielders couldn't follow his movements and hand seals. In regards to the former, this sounds is similar to A (Ei?) in his Lightning Release armor, which was said by...someone, that he was comparable to Minato in terms of speed with it. Would that mean that the same could possibly be said for Itachi's speed? Skitts (talk) 22:36, January 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * The bit about the Raikage was said by C. And not really. Just because a Sharingan user can have trouble seeing both, it doesn't mean both have similar speeds. One can still be much faster than the other. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:49, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I see. My main reason for asking was that the common factor was Sasuke, whose Sharingan wasn't really able to track A or Itachi. I see your point though. Skitts (talk) 00:20, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know why you would say that. Sasuke was able to track him easily throughout their entire fight.

True Strength
Well I can' find where o ask this question since there isn't like a fighting strength caption but are the stats in the Itachi artikel over him with his illness or just his natural stats with out the sickness. Because Madara stated that he was holding back in his fight with Sasuke and that was the longest fight that we have of Itachi, and hewas giving Sasuke a hard time, it there a way to know his real fighting level?
 * Not unless Kishimoto tell us. Otherwise, we don't know.--Cerez365™☺ 12:17, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Nekomata defeat
Pls add Nekomata's defeat to Itachi's early background


 * Caps Lock isn't your friend. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 11:02, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

ya guys where is it?

Stamina
Has it ever been OFFICIALLY stated that Itachi's low stamina is directly linked to his illness? Or was he just born with low stamina?


 * I don't know if it's been outright stated, but it's pretty obvious, his disease acts up when he pushes himself. ZeroSD (talk) 21:29, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

As far as I know, it hasn't. But honestly, it wouldn't be hard to believe that a terminal illness would lower one's chakra level. Especiallt when you consider that Itachi trained a great deal, so his chakra level should've be higher than it was. Skitts (talk) 02:21, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Itachi's Timeline
Hey all. I've created a timeline for Itachi that addresses some of the time issues. I'd like some feedback to see if I contradict any canon information. Here goes.

BKA (Before Kyuubi Attack)

AKA (After Kyuubi Attack)

Itachi's Birthday: June 9

Sasuke's Birthday: July 23

- 5 BKA:    Itachi, age 0. Itachi is born.

- 0:        Itachi, age 4-5. Sasuke, age 0. Sasuke is born. The Kyuubi attacks.

- 3 AKA:    Itachi, age 7-8. Sasuke, age 2-3. Itachi graduates from the Academy.

- 4 AKA:    Itachi, age 8-9. Sasuke, age 3-4. Itachi activates his Sharingan.

- 6 AKA:    Itachi, age 10-11. Sasuke, age 5-6. Itachi becomes a Chunin.

- 8 AKA:    Itachi, age 12-13. Sasuke, age 7-8. Itachi joins the ANBU at age 12, and Sasuke enters the Academy at age 7 (if there is any source saying he entered at age 6, then I'll change this). Around 6 months later, Itachi becomes an ANBU captain at age 13. Itachi makes his deal with Madara. He "kills" Shisui and massacres his clan soon after. He joins the Akatsuki, cuts off Orochimaru's hand, and Orochimaru leaves the organization. (a busy year for Itachi).

- 8-12 AKA: Within this time, Itachi and Kisame became partners. Itachi defeats Deidara to get him to join the Akatsuki.

- 13 AKA:  Itachi, age 17-18. Sasuke, age 12-13. Itachi returns to Konoha to "capture" Naruto. Sasuke defects and Naruto goes to travel with Jiraya. The timeskip begins.

- 15 AKA:  Itachi, age 19-20. Sasuke, age 14-15. The Akatsuki have their meeting in the cave (an unspecified time). Sasori makes the comment that Orochimaru left the organization "7 years ago"*. Kakuzu's partner is killed and Hidan joins the Akatsuki.

- 16 AKA:  Itachi, age 20-21. Sasuke, age 15-16. The timeskip ends. Naruto returns to Konoha. "Itachi" distracts Team Kakashi from rescuing Gaara.

- 17 AKA:  Itachi, age 21-22. Sasuke, age 16-17. The Akatsuki gather to seal the 4th Tailed Beast (an unspecified time). Kisame makes the comment that Orochimaru left the organization "10 years ago". Itachi has his battle with Sasuke and dies.

1. It's never specified when the Akatsuki meeting in the cave took place. It doesn't have to be the same time Naruto left with Jiraya. For all we know, the meeting took place "during" the timeskip, giving enough time for Sasori's "7 years ago" statement to be true.

2. The only problem I have now with my timeline is Kisame's statement of Oro leaving the Akatsuki "10 years ago". There is still a 1 year difference. The only way this could work is if Kisame meant "about 10 years ago."

3. Itachi was almost as tall as Oro in the flashback where he cuts off his arm. There is no way he's 11 years old. Heck, I have a hard time thinking he's 13, but that's far more believable than if he was 11.

Any feedback would be appreciated. --Cidem1324 (talk) 19:27, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

1. i agree with the you 2. he must have meant about 10 years ago. 3. i dont know where u got 11 from. i thought itachi was about 13-14 when he cut off orochimarus arm. i guess itachis just kinda taller and orchimarus shorter. itachi: Part I: 175.2 cm1.752 m 5.748 ft 68.976 in Part II: 178 cm1.78 m 5.84 ft 70.079 in orochimaru: Part I: 179.4 cm1.794 m 5.886 ft 70.63 in Part II: 172 cm1.72 m 5.643 ft 67.717 in


 * Ya, for number 3, it was a theory people had that Itachi was 11 when he cut off Oro's arm. It was to make Kisame's statement about how Orochimaru left the Akatsuki "10 years ago" more accurate. But from just looking at that flashback, there is no way Itachi could be 11 in this scene.

http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/Naruto345/173556-8.html


 * Itachi being 13 is already pushing it. By the way, thanks for the height stats. --Cidem1324 (talk) 19:41, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would like to point out three things.
 * Kishimoto-sensei has always been bad at showing age through his drawings, especially when it comes to Itachi.
 * There is more evidence Itachi joined Akatsuki andmet with Orochimaru at age eleven than at age thirteen.
 * There is actually quite some evidence pointing to there being a gap of about two years between Itachi joining Akatsuki and him massacring his clan.


 * —ShounenSuki (talk 21:19, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 21:19, February 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * I can see where you're coming from ShounenSuki. I also thought this was the case, Itachi being 11 when he cut off Orochimaru's arm. However, I just don't see how that's possible any more.


 * 1. While I agree Itachi's age and growth isn't the most clearly defined, I just can't see Itachi in this scene being 11 years old. Just from looking at the 12 year old rookie 9, we see Itachi is just too tall, almost being as tall as Orochimaru.

http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/Naruto345/173556-8.html


 * 2. While it's not the greatest source of canon, even the anime acknowledges that Itachi joined the Akatsuki after massacring his clan. Then he cut off Oro's arm, causing Oro to leave the organization.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPiSMCb8kc4


 * 3. If Itachi became an ANBU at 11, and massacred his clan at age 13, that's a 2 year gap. That's an additional 2 years of maintaining a double agent status, where he was already suspected of killing his best friend and had already given his speech about losing all faith in his clan. Maintaining this charade for another 2 years is far too long.


 * For me, this is the order of events:


 * - 8 AKA: Itachi, age 12-13. Sasuke, age 7-8. Itachi joins the ANBU at age 12. Around 6 months later, Itachi becomes an ANBU captain at age 13. He massacres his clan soon after. He joins the Akatsuki, cuts off Orochimaru's hand, and Orochimaru leaves the organization.


 * Itachi joined the ANBU half a year after he became a chūnin. Half a year later, he started acting weird and obtained the Mangekyō Sharingan. He became chūnin at 10. Even if he was almost 11 already, he still wouldn't even be near 12 when he became an ANBU and nowhere near 13 when he obtained his Mangekyō Sharingan and the mission to massacre his clan. Also, it was very clearly said that the Third Hokage managed to postpone the massacre for a while and we have two direct and very clear statements as to when Orochimaru left Akatsuki, both pointing to Itachi having been 11.
 * Also remember that Kabuto maintained his double/triple/quadruple? status for many, many years.
 * The way I see it, the time line should be something like this (numbers in brackets are Itachi's and Sasuke's ages, respectively.):
 * 9th June 5BK: Itachi born (0, —)
 * 23rd July 0: Sasuke born (5, 0)
 * 10th October 0: Kyūbi attacks (5, 3m)
 * Beginning April 2AK: Itachi enters the Academy (6, 1)
 * March 3AK: Itachi finishes the Academy (7, 2)
 * June 3AK–June 4AK: Itachi awakens his Sharingan (8, 3)
 * October 5AK: Itachi becomes chūnin (10, 5)
 * Beginning April 6AK: Itachi becomes ANBU, Sasuke enters the Academy (10, 5)
 * Mid-July 6AK: Sasuke's first school term ends, Itachi kills Shisui the next day and obtains Mangekyō (11, 5)
 * June–July 8AK: Itachi massacres the Uchiha clan (13, 7)
 * March 13AK: Sasuke finishes the Academy (17, 12)
 * 1st July 13AK: Chūnin Exams start (18, 12)
 * 6th August 13AK: Chūnin Exams end, Konoha invasion (18, 13)
 * 8th August 13AK: Itachi returns to Konoha, Sandaime's funeral (18, 13)
 * Mid- to Late September 13AK: Tsunade returns to Konoha, Sasuke leaves with the Sound Four about a week later. (18, 13)
 * Mid- to Late December 13AK: Naruto leaves Konoha, ending Part I (18, 13)
 * Mid- to Late June 16AK: Naruto returns to Konoha (21, 15)
 * All dates are as accurately as I could make them, based on the dates given in the manga and taken from real Japanese culture (the school dates). —ShounenSuki (talk 13:44, February 23, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the post Suki, but I must disagree. Why would Itachi kill Shisui and give his "I have lost faith in this clan" speech at age 11, then wait 2 years to massacre his clan at age 13? I don't think Itachi would have lasted 2 years if the Uchiha were already suspicious of him for murder. It makes more sense that Shisui "kept an eye" on Itachi for 2 years, and his death occurred a few days before the Uchiha Massacre.

Here are my revised timeline. It was a long and grueling process, but I have determined that Itachi's timeline is not a plothole. At least in my mind. 1. The biggest source of confusion is Sasori's comment about "Orochimaru left 7 years ago", and Kisame's comment about "Orochimaru left 10 years ago". The only way this makes sense is that they "included the year that they were in": Sasori's "7 years" comment: 8-14 AKA (8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14) = 7 separate years = 7 years Kisame's "10 years" comment: 8-17 AKA (8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17) = 10 separate years = 10 years 2. The amount of time that passed between Sasuke entering the Ninja Academy to the time of the Uchiha massacre. Since it is unspecified how much time has passed, my best guess is that Sasuke entered the Ninja Academy when he was 6 years old, and the massacred occurred when he was 7 years old (about to turn 8 years old). Revised Time Line

BKA (Before Kyuubi Attack)

AKA (After Kyuubi Attack)

Itachi's Birthday: June 9

Sasuke's Birthday: July 23


 * 5 BKA:    Itachi, age 0. Itachi is born.
 * 0:        Itachi, age 4-5. Sasuke, age 0. Sasuke is born. The Kyuubi attacks.
 * 2 AKA:    Itachi, age 5-6. Sasuke, age 1-2. Itachi enters the Ninja Academy.
 * 3 AKA:    Itachi, age 7-8. Sasuke, age 2-3. Itachi graduates from the Ninja Academy.
 * 4 AKA:    Itachi, age 8-9. Sasuke, age 3-4. Itachi activates his Sharingan.
 * 6 AKA:    Itachi, age 10-11. Sasuke, age 5-6. Itachi becomes a Chunin at age 10. Around 6 months later, Itachi becomes an ANBU at age 11. He becomes a double agent for Konoha against the Uchiha revolution. Sasuke enters the Ninja Academy at age 6 (an unspecified time).
 * 7 AKA     Itachi, age 11-12. Sasuke age 6-7. After 6 months of Itachi being an ANBU, Shisui is ordered to "keep an eye" on Itachi due to his change in behavior.
 * 8 AKA: Itachi, age 12-13. Sasuke, age 7-8. Itachi becomes an ANBU captain at age 13. He makes a his deal with Madara at some point. Itachi "kills" Shisui and massacres his clan a few days after. He joins the Akatsuki, cuts off Orochimaru's hand, and *Orochimaru leaves the organization*. (a busy year for Itachi).
 * 8-12 AKA: Within this time, Itachi and Kisame became partners. Itachi defeats Deidara to get him to join the Akatsuki.
 * 13 AKA:  Itachi, age 17-18. Sasuke, age 12-13. Itachi returns to Konoha to "capture" Naruto. Sasuke defects.
 * 14 AKA:  Itachi, age 18-19. Sasuke, age 13-14. Naruto goes to travel with Jiraya for 2 and a half years. The Akatsuki have their meeting in the cave (an unspecified time). Sasori makes the comment that *Orochimaru left the organization "7 years ago"*. The timeskip begins.
 * 16 AKA:  Itachi, age 20-21. Sasuke, age 15-16. The timeskip ends. Naruto returns to Konoha after traveling 2 and a half years. "Itachi" distracts Team Kakashi from rescuing Gaara.
 * 17 AKA:  Itachi, age 21-22. Sasuke, age 16-17. The Akatsuki gather to seal the Three Tailed Beast and Fourth Tailed Beast (an unspecified time). Kisame makes the comment that *Orochimaru left the organization "10 years ago"*. Itachi has his battle with Sasuke and dies.

I agree, this is a confusing timeline, but I think this works. You don't have to agree, but your opinion would be appreciated.--Cidem1324 (talk) 19:22, February 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * You're forgetting a vital clue. Madara specifically said that even after Danzō and the elders had decided that the Uchiha clan should be destroyed,the Third Hokage was able to postpone it. Danzō most likely already had given Itachi the order by this time, justifying him getting the Mangekyō and behaving oddly.
 * Your inclusion of the current year in the 7 and 10 years ago comments is, I'm sorry to say, rather ridiculous and seems like a desperate attempt to make this fit in your way. No one counts like that; it's completely counter-intuitive. There are plenty of ways why my time line makes more sense:
 * There's precedent for a sleeper agent lasting years.
 * There's an explanation for the two years' gap.
 * It requires no leaps in logic.
 * This situation is one of the very few times we are given rather specific dates instead of approximations.
 * All the dates add up down to the months and days.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 21:05, February 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Believe me, I'd love to subtract 1 year from both comments. It would make this so much simpler, and there wouldn't be any problem with the timeline.


 * Suki, I'd like to ask, do you agree or disagree with the anime's sequence of events? I know the anime isn't the greatest source for canon material, but I'd like your opinion on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPiSMCb8kc4


 * --Cidem1324 (talk) 00:49, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I disagree with several things in that clip. Kisame shouldn't be there, in the first place. I really do not think Itachi defeated Orochimaru after the massacre. —ShounenSuki (talk 12:28, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the answer Shounen. Sigh, I don't know. Since there is no indication that Itachi joined the Akatsuki 2 years before massacring his clan (besides the 7 years and 10 years statements), I think it's too much of a stretch for me. Cidem1324 (talk) 00:52, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

about sasori saying 7 years ago and orochimaru saying 10 years ago, oro could have meant about 10 years ago.
 * Ya, if they said "around" 7 years ago and "around" 10 years ago, then there would be enough vagueness to fit the timeline perfectly.


 * Kind of like how Kakashi Gaiden happened "around" 10 years ago,

http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/Naruto239/173399/


 * When really it was more like 13-15 years ago. Cidem1324 (talk) 00:52, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * The fun thing is, with practically ever time indication, Kishimoto-sensei is actually that vague. The Kakashi Gaiden happenned . Sasori fled Suna ago. Konoha was founded  ago.
 * Orochimaru left Akatsuki or  ago. There is no indication of it being anywhere near an approximation. These are clear, solid time statements of the kind only rarely made in the manga. The only other time I remember time statements being made this clearly is when it concerns the Kyūbi attack. —ShounenSuki (talk 09:47, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sigh, I wish Kishimoto had been vague regarding those two statements, like he is usually. When telling a story, it's much easier to be vague with timelines than to make established times. There's just more wiggle room. --Cidem1324 (talk) 01:03, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Everything surrounding the Uchiha massacre tells me Kishimoto-sensei has had the details of this whole episode completely thought out by chapter seven or so. There's no need to be vague if there's no uncertainty. —ShounenSuki (talk 01:07, March 4, 2011 (UTC)

When Madara is talking to Sasuke he tells Sasuke that Itachi murdered the clan with his help THEN joined Akatsuki. So he was 13 when he joined, and yeah the whole 7 years thing is a plot hole. It should of been 5yrs. Orochimaru was 5ft11 til he absorbed the one guy while waiting for Sasuke, so if you add in angles and known heights, Itachi was anywhere from 5ft3-5ft7 when he cut off Oro's arm and 13 is when a lot of people get growth spurts.
 * Where exactly is it said that Itachi murdered the Uchiha and only then joined Akatsuki? —ShounenSuki (talk 12:39, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was wrong, there is a hint that he joined after he killed the clan Chapter 401 Page 5 "He slaughtered the whole clan and joined Akatsuki! He was guilty!" and madara stated he left konoha immediately after killing the clan, and in Databook 2 and 3 I think I remember hints that he left after the Uchiha Massacre.


 * Chapter 401 page 6 "On his own, He decided to commit a crime that would never be forgiven, Leave his village... and join Akatsuki to protect his village from the inside" another hint he joined Akatsuki after the Uchiha Massacre and he was 13, maybe 14 at the most when he left Konoha, and Madara said he left Konoha immediately after killing the clan.


 * On page 6 of chapter 401, Sasuke says:
 * Sasuke actually doesn't say anything about Itachi joining Akatsuki, nor would he have any idea how the time line went. He was kept in the dark up until this point, after all. His words are meant to be seen as somewhat incorrect.
 * Madara says:
 * Although this sentence does seem to imply that Itachi entered Akatsuki after massacring his clan, it really isn't in any way clear about it.
 * You have to remember that after Itachi was ordered to massacre his clan and went to seek out Madara, the third Hokage actually postponed the actual execution of the mission for as long as he could. There is no doubt about Itachi being 11 when he obtained the Mangekyō Sharingan. He most likely obtained this after receiving the mission to massacre his clan and having sought out Madara. It isn't unlikely he entered Akatsuki officially at that point as well, thinking he would be leaving the village soon enough, any way. Then the Third Hokage postpones the massacre for a long time, until Itachi is 13. Only then does the massacre actually take place and does Itachi truly flee the village to become a full-time member of Akatsuki. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:31, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Although this sentence does seem to imply that Itachi entered Akatsuki after massacring his clan, it really isn't in any way clear about it.
 * You have to remember that after Itachi was ordered to massacre his clan and went to seek out Madara, the third Hokage actually postponed the actual execution of the mission for as long as he could. There is no doubt about Itachi being 11 when he obtained the Mangekyō Sharingan. He most likely obtained this after receiving the mission to massacre his clan and having sought out Madara. It isn't unlikely he entered Akatsuki officially at that point as well, thinking he would be leaving the village soon enough, any way. Then the Third Hokage postpones the massacre for a long time, until Itachi is 13. Only then does the massacre actually take place and does Itachi truly flee the village to become a full-time member of Akatsuki. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:31, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the correct translation. He was 10 when he became a Genin, a Semester in the Academy is 1 year, then he was 11 and a half when he got the Mangekyo, but if his age was to be specific 10 and a half when he became a chunin most likely then 11 when he became an Anbu, then 1 semester later he would of been 12 and the next day he would of killed Shisui, meaning he got the Mangekyo at 12. Another thing I noticed is his settei sheet seems to indicate he was only 2 inches shorter than when he is at 18, when the massacre happened. Meaning he'd be 5ft7 when he was 13. That sounds very unlikely that he would only grow 2 inch's in 5 years, So I would like to see what this scan says http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/118/c/2/can_anybody_translate_this__by_molarchy-d3f2tnv.jpg According to the Databooks that Kishimoto wrote, at the debut of shippuden the Konoha 9 were 16yrs and Gai's team was 17yrs, Making Naruto 13 and a half on the last chapter of part 1 that was a random thought. ````
 * A semester is only half a year. Sasuke starts the Academy half a year after Itachi became chūnin and at the same time Itachi became an ANBU. Half a year later, Itachi had obtained the Mangekyō Sharingan. Itachi was about 11 then. Most likely, he obtained the Mangekyō Sharingan after receiving the mission to massacre his clan and meeting up with Madara. The massacre was postponed until Itachi was at least 13, after which he fled the village.
 * That model sheet is from the anime, not the manga. It seems to say Itachi is 195 cm, but even if you interpret the middle number as a weirdly drawn 7, he would still be the same height as he was in Part I. The rest of the model sheet is almost illegible.
 * Oh, and Naruto's classmates were 15 at the beginning of Part II, not 16. —ShounenSuki (talk 08:45, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

"Here's what SnapperTo wrote on another page: The whole Nine-Tails flashback segment occurred 16 years earlier, the night of Naruto's birth. Ages aren't the series' strong point; there is almost no chance of all the characters being the same age at the same time. So trying to figure ages based on when a character was born and how many months have passed is not going to work. You are also assigning the ages incorrectly. Naruto is not 12 in chapter 117 and then suddenly 13 in chapter 118. Rather, we are to believe that he and the rest of his age group all turned 13 by chapter 238. There is also no saying whether or not Kishimoto will want them to be 17 by the time of the next databook. And I have not seen the insert, but I have no reason to doubt its validity. It's the anime that deviates from mangaka's intent, not the manga publishers."
 * "I meant it is improbable that Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, Shikamaru, Choji, Ino, Kiba, Shino, Hinata, and Gaara are all the same age at the same time. It seems that all characters born in the same year share the same age at any given time.

Again, new databooks do not indicate that a year has passed since the previous databook. Naruto and company were 12 when they graduated from the Academy, which happens in chapter 1. As for the Nine-Tails' attack, that was established as 16 years ago as early as chapter 386 (Itachi's explanation of Madara), and possibly even sooner than that." I'm trying to get a good idea on the ages and what part int he mange Naruto himself aged a year, perfection is impossible so a close margin would work, He says the earliest it is said Naruto is 16 is in chapter 386, is that right? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:37, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Can you try and translate these please? http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/120/b/e/itachi_part_1_clearer_by_molarchy-d3f9k3v.png http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/120/0/e/i_found_another_scan_of_it_by_molarchy-d3f9jvs.png http://molarchy.deviantart.com/#/d3f9k9n I think there will be some good info on these scans. Let me know what they say please. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:50, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

By the way I have a lot of Settei scans in the same quality as these and if you all want me to upload them I will. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:55, April 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's true that the databook ages aren't really reliable. They are just rough estimates, meant to show who is in which age group, rather than there actual ages. This is probably done in part because of the lack of clear dates in the series and especially when it comes to the point in which the databooks are set themselves.
 * We can get some indications from the manga itself, albeit vague ones. In chapter 1, the Nine-Tails attack was said to have occurred 12 years ago. In chapter 94, it was said to have happened 13 years ago. Chapter 386 is the first mention of the attack being 16 years ago that I could find.
 * The model sheets aren't really that high a quality and the handwriting is pretty bad, but I can read it at least somewhat. I can't really say the information is all that interesting, though. I'll see what I can translate from it. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:51, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you ShounenSuki, Seeing this proof debunks some of the things I thought just recently. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 02:46, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

when did itachi...?
when did itachi awaken his sharingan? it says he mastered it by the time he was 7 but when did he awakened it? Peruzka (talk) 01:07, April 2, 2011 (UTC) Peruzka
 * Everything that is known about him is in his article. But if I had to guess I'd say 5, maybe even 6.  ~ Fmakck© → Talk → Contributions ~ 01:09, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * According to the discussion above this he might've been 8...you can read it.--Cerez™☺ 02:58, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh jeez, that's long. I'll take your word for it Cerez.  ~ Fmakck© → Talk → Contributions ~ 03:01, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

He became a Genin at 7, mastered the Sharingan at 8, which means he completed it by getting it to 3 tomoe, became a Chunin at 10, Anbu at 10.5, Got the Mangekyo at 11, Became an Anbu Captain at 13, then Left Konoha about a week or month later. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:29, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Itachi's 2 Tomoe Sharingan
Simply put. I want picture added to Itachi's Bio. A lot of Itachi Fans believe that he mastered his sharingan when he awakened it. Its not true. I have evidence he didn't. I would like the picture to be used.--
 * That is an anime only photo, it is not evidence towards anything. He unlocked his sharingan at 7yrs old when he became a genin as it is hinted, and mastered it at 8 yrs old. That photo is incorrect. Orochimaru left after Minato became the 4th. So he wasn't in Konoha when Itachi was that age anyways, Itachi would of had to be 7yrs old in that photo. So its not usable anyways. 108.28.14.25 (talk) 19:50, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Verily--Cerez365™☺ 20:36, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Read this and stop removing my changes
He became a Genin at 7, mastered the Sharingan at 8, became a Chunin at 10, half a year later he became an Anbu, Half a year after that he killed Shisui and gained the Mangekyo Sharingan at 11 years old, then The third managed to postpone his S-rank Uchiha Massacre Mission for a few years, He then became an Anbu Captain at 13, sometime immediately following that he kills his clan then flees Konoha. So it is a fact as it has been talked about and agreed upon and the proof is in the manga and databooks. So stop removing my changes to his photo. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 21:50, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

(moved below)


 * That's part of the problem: you're adding it to the image caption, where it has no business being. ~SnapperTo 23:29, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Then I guess the fact that his age was given in the picture he is holding baby Sasuke doesn't gave any business being there either huh? No. The majority of naruto fans do not have any idea what age he was when he did it, so its a good idea to say it in that photo. I'm not being an ass, My point is valid. Like Asuma and Shizune need ages added to a photo on each of there pages and Kakashi needs ages added to two of his. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:19, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * But it's already in the article. We try not to make the captions longer than they have to be.--Cerez365™☺ 01:34, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough, but there are still going to be people who don't know because they aren't bright enough to add it all up, one of the points of a wiki is to give accurate information, and in some case's make it easier to find and understand the information they are looking for and/or wouldn't mind coming across. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:55, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

You know, you're always complaining. Stop complaining. I hate it! --Ilnarutoanime (Talk-Contribs.-Images) 03:26, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Who said I was complaining? and frankly I don't care what you hate. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 04:52, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

Friend, there's no problem about that USERS always change your edits, you don't own the page. Well I don't want to create fights. So?! If you get angry at me, sorry in advance ^_^ --Ilnarutoanime26 (Talk-Contribs.-Links) 10:07, May 5, 2011 (UTC)

(moved from above) Um ok your wrong about most of that stuff Itachi was still trying to become anbu around 18 and he was nearly as tall as his father and he never became an anbu captain ever and theres no way he was 13 when he killed all of the Uchiha no way he was at least 18 want to know why people keep changing your stupid time line? because its horribly wrong--Black-Light (talk) 00:26, June 1, 2011 (UTC)Black-Light

Keep talk page talks in chronological order please, it makes life easier. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:28, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * @Black-Light: Seriously? there is absolutely no doubt he was about thirteen when he killed his clan. he was eighteen when he first appeared in the manga, years after the massacre. Sasuke was seven at the time of the massacre and he's five years Itachi's junior. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:53, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * People sometimes tend to forget that Konoha has progeny graduating from the academy at age 6 knowing how to kill someone 10 ways from Sunday.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 01:45, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

Given Itachi is roughly 5 years and 1 month older than Sasuke, and He was an Anbu Captain at 13 years old, He had to be at at the least 13 years old and 1 week, making Sasuke around 7 years old and 10 months, at the time of the massacre. He also was not as tall as his father, his father had his eyes closed and was facing down at that time Itachi's nose was under Fugaku's mouth, up to the skin color right above the black line of Fugaku's chin, Mind you fugaku wasn't standing straight his head was tilted so He would of been at the least 2 centimeters taller when standing straight, so Itachi was around 5ft2.75 - 5ft5.25 at that time period, he was in no way as tall as his father Fugaku who was 175.3 cm tall. Naruto Episode 130 is where i found proof, and the fact that the settei sheet of fugaku shows how tall mikoto is to a standing straight fugaku and mikoto is 162.6 cm tall which is 5ft4.02 inches tall. check out the settei here and then study naruto episode 130, the scene where Itachi and Fugaku walk past each other. Heres where I find all the settei

http://naruto.japflap.com/biographies

go to Fugaku's page and click "planche" which means board and do as it says, it says "The animation below requires Flash. Click on one corner of the image to turn pages." and you will see 162.6 cm Mikoto, standing next to 175.3 cm Fugaku, and then look at Naruto part 1 episode 130 and study it and you will see Itachi could have been no less than 5ft2.75 and no more than 5ft5.25 during the Uchiha Massacre period, mind you he was definitely 13 years old. Also I have the settei/model sheet for Sasuke from that period and its posted on my deviant art account, it states he is 124.5 cm tall, here it is

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/120/c/5/sasuke_young_settei_by_molarchy-d3f9k9n.png

So do all the math and study everything I have posted, then tell me how tall Itachi had to have been at that time. Black Lightning I do my research before I type anything so I'd appreciate it if you would relax and stop being a douche. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 23:50, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

I found an interesting problem
There are numerous websites and a few claimed it was a released fact, That Itachi at 17 years of age was 173 cm. I have found no source for this, but apparently some settei or the animation books or something of the sorts backs it up. I think some research needs to be done on this. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:13, June 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Why is this here and not on Itachi's talk page?
 * Itachi was never shown at age 17, so why would there be model sheets for him at that age?
 * Pics or it didn't happen.
 * Profit.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 07:48, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 07:48, June 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * There is no numerical proof at all. Just visual proof. I will upload 2 pics, look at them and you will see they both have iruka in them and are based off of the very begining of the chuunin exams, when they were all 12 and Itachi was 17, as you can see sakuras hair is still long. Iruka is and always was 178cm since the beginning of naruto, mind you itachi is 178cm current time, so when you look at iruka standing next to itachi it will be easy to notice what the gap would look like and itachi at 18 is only 2.8cm shorter than itachi at 21, and 2.54cm is an inch. but there is no proof that can be used so how do I delete this post? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 08:09, June 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll be looking forward to those images. —ShounenSuki (talk 08:40, June 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think they was uploaded yet.--LeafShinobi (talk) 09:59, June 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, there they are. How are those based off the very beginning of the chūnin exams? One has Shikamaru in his chūnin outfit and both actually have Itachi fully revealed in Akatsuki garb, meaning both are based after the exams, when Shikamaru was already promoted and Itachi had already visited Konoha. The one without Shikamaru in his chūnin vest has Shino being slightly bigger than Neji and Gaara and Hinata being about the same size, neither of which happened until the second databook. —ShounenSuki (talk 11:32, June 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Take notice of rock lee being shorter than Neji, and Sakura's long hair. Rock Lee in databook 2 is 2 centimeters taller than Neji. and Shino is slightly shorter than Neji in that photo. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 06:10, June 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think you falsely believe that Kishimoto has the time/cares enough to make sure Lee is 2 cm taller than Neji every time he draws both of them. ~SnapperTo 07:30, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * And sometimes they are animation mistakes. --NejiLoverr26 09:53, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

I do believe Kishimoto intended Itachi to be shorter than 175.2cm in that, but at the same time its not important. It is also not an animation error, it is what Kishimoto envisioned then went and drawn. I just thought it was worth it to point out the things I noticed about it, mainly Itachi's height shrinkage compared to 178cm and still tilting his head a tiny bit, Iruka. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 18:59, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

We only get the height of characters on the databooks. And we don't mind their appearance to anime and manga. For ex. being shorter or taller though. --Ilnarutoanime 19:06, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Itachi gives something to Naruto?
Under his personality, it says  "In the end, Itachi put all of his faith in Naruto, who he notes as the person most determined to save and protect Sasuke. After hearing Naruto's answer to keep protecting Sasuke and everyone in Konoha, Itachi gave him some of his power. He was very grateful towards Naruto's determination to save Sasuke, and was smiling after hearing Naruto's response. Itachi even trusted him enough to bring Sasuke back to the light."

When did he "give" some of his power to Naruto? Can someone point me to a specific manga chapter? --Ravarath (talk) 17:48, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's here.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 17:59, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much! ^_^ --Ravarath (talk) 19:27, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Underweight
Hey, is it too trivial to add either in appearance or trivia that Itachi is clinically underweight? Timeel39 (talk) 19:15, July 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Is the information correct? —ShounenSuki (talk 19:26, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well according to what others say he should've ideally been between 63-79 kg for his height, but wasn't Itachi terminally ill? I don't think it needs to be mentioned.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 20:24, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * If this is about BMI, many other characters would be considered underweight if we actually did the math. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:45, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that other countries use different definitions of 'underweight'. What is perfectly normal for one country could be underweight for another. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:37, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

This is rather typical, that the many authors give weight and height numbers that according to BMI would make many of their characters heavily under or overweight so i believe that we should just ignore any such numbers and just list them according to the data we have ^^ --Gojita (talk) 03:53, July 23, 2011 (UTC)Gojita

Itachi's performance in chapter 549
When trying to list Naruto's and Itachi's brief taijutsu battle, we have to make it clear Naruto easily intercepted Itachi and forced him back before B even got involved. He was also forced to retreat from B's Seven Sword Dance, we saw that he was hit by the blows due to the sound effects used. It was really impressive, but Naruto was trying to get confirmation about the Uchiha Clan Massacre and was informing Itachi what happened to Sasuke. Thus, we should add stipulations. Unless you honestly believe Itachi in base can survive a full powered hit from Naruto at full speed in his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode despite what it did to Kisame...--NaruHina fan (talk) 23:03, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok let me point out the flaws in your logic: first neither Naruto nor Itachi got any hits on one another...second both were talking while fighting...third it was Naruto the first to retreat form Itachi's offensive and Itachi only pulled out to dodge B's attack from behind. Fourth if neither was shown with a clear advantage it's listed as an equal fight...and no mentions to the speed or strength were made. What was mentioned weas the ability in combat and how neither had had any edge against the other. (Also there is always a lot of conversation in Naruto battles) Plus the "forced to retreat" doesn't actually hold any ground since it's natural for a trained ninja to gain as much distance as possible when under a barrage of heavy attacks. So unless in the next chapters we see Naruto outmatching or overpowering Itachi in other hand to hand combat ocassions...it should be stated that both fought on equal levels. Darksusanoo (talk) 23:22, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Uh what? The talking was the main point of their clash, both needed to learn about what happened to Sasuke (for Itachi) and the Uchiha Massacre (for Naruto). Naruto using his full speed and power in Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode surpasses A's speed remember, and here he hurt Kisame badly with a single punch despite being clad inside Samehada. Naruto didn't show any of the strength or speed he showed in previous chapters during his clash with Itachi. And Itachi WAS forced to retreat  before Killer B even struck.  When has Itachi ever shown physical strength on the level of clashing with someone who can push a Tailed Beast Ball (which is incredibly dense) without problems? Or speed that surpasses the Raikage's?--NaruHina fan (talk) 23:29, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok first off did you fail to notice i never made any reference to the physical strength levels? Second taijutsu isn't just about speed and strength, it about how to attack and block in the most correct ways. Third yes Raikage's speed maybe one of greatest in the series, but if you pay close atention the full extent of Itachi's isn't quite known since the only times he fought he was extremely ill and holding back during his fight (Sasuke fight), and yet it was still incredubly difficult to keep up with him. Now taking into account that as a ressurected shinobi Itachi's physical abilities are likely restored to full health and the fact that he is "programmed" to fight without restrictions means that his physical abilities are now much stronger than in his previous fight. Plus there is no logical reason for Naruto to hold back in the fight, because:

A. Itachi is dead and he'll actually regenerate from any damage done to him. B. (As stated above) As a ressurected ninja his powers are at max meaning he's even more dangerous than before. C. Unlike Itachi, Naruto is alive and can very well take damage and die even with the chakra cloak D. Naruto when learning that no one of Madara's army was actually alive stated he didn't have to hold back. E. By logic it would be easier to fight at full strength, restrain Itachi and the ask the necessary questions. Darksusanoo (talk) 23:54, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Itachi's speed and strength are very known in the series. He's not known for being a speedster. And 'extremely ill' and holding back? Those are the only feats we had. And Sasuke had zero trouble keeping up with Itachi outside the genjutsu battle. And yes, against Itachi, he had very logical reasons to hold back. All Naruto was doing there was trying to find out the truth of the Uchiha Massacre. Stop hyping up Itachi and making his brief skirmish with Naruto better than it really was.--NaruHina fan (talk) 00:13, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I've now attempted to rewrite this article's "Taijutsu" section in order for it to better reflect the capabilities and expertise Itachi demonstrated during this brief encounter, while still placing emphasis on the more questionable aspects that resulted in this discussion in the first place. Hopefully this helps to somewhat resolve both of your respective issues. Blackstar1 (talk) 00:41, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Anymore opinions please? Darksusanoo (talk) 00:44, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's much better Blackstar1. Thanks.--NaruHina fan (talk) 00:48, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Well then, shall I end this debate? Itachi was epic as usual... On a serious note though I really don't see a need to be inflating either of their ability sections. What are we going to do every time that Naruto fights? "His speed surpassed that of Itachi, Nagato, even the Thirrd Raikage..." It's not necessary to list every feat that they've accomplished against people as a display of their abilities it becomes tedious and simply unnecessary. Both of their abilities are listed with enough details that readers can get a full grasp of it.--Cerez365™ 03:19, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I would just like to point out that a resurected ninja doesnt necesary has their powers at max, just look at Nagato. Before he absorbed Killer Bee's chakra his state was less than optimal, actually it was the exact same as when he died, not even being able to walk by himself. While its ovious not the fact with everyone (Deidara), does we actually have any information of the other being true, or is it just therories. --Cosmikaze (talk) 15:46, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Why is Itachi still able to use his Mangekyo?
Weren't his eyes implanted into Sasuke's? He activated them in the latest chapter.
 * Because if you read Summoning: Impure World Resurrection, you'll see that the resurrection doesn't raise the deceased one's own body, but their soul in the body of a sacrifice. They need just a bit of the person for the summoning contract to work. Other than his soul, and perhaps as little as a drop of blood, nothing in the body Naruto and B are fighting are actually Itachi. I thought everyone knew this, specially after people went nuts when Deidara appeared and everyone was like "how come Kabuto brought him back if his body exploded" and all. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:06, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

So your sayin that those arent deidara nagato kakuzu sasori and itachis bodies.Lil rob (talk) 06:22, July 31, 2011 (UTC)Lil rob
 * Exactly. When Orochimaru revived the first and second hokage, he used Zaku Abumi & Kin Tsuchi's bodies as "hosts". Jacce | Talk | Contributions 06:30, July 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * People have got to read the articles. They're written for a reason. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:30, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

Crow Summoning?
Would it be wrong to consider that Itachi's able to summon crows? Considering this last crow's first appearance and Itachi's Crow Clone Technique, they appear out of nowhere, so he must summon them, right?Nawirama13 (talk) 18:50, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I swore I brought this up. Anyway, I can't seem to remember the crows disappearing like summoned creatures normally do and it's better not to speculate. The crow's odd though since we don't know whether or not it's a summon or Itachi created it or whatnot. Mentioning his affinity and use of them should have been enough.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 19:00, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Crows
Sorry, I'm like confused... isn't the crows Itachi's power of Shisui's powers? --Ilnarutoanime 19:27, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * The crows are Itachi's.--Deva 27 19:32, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Can we at least respect…
…the fact that Kotoamatsukami is itachi"s jutsu too!

I dont no why this is being ignored but on the very first page of the manga chapter 550 Kotoamatsukami is referred to as itachi"technique but nobody as listed him as one of the users of it instead i see the credit being given to his crow instead go figure but its clear he says "i used a new genjtsu new" this chap

there also a bunch of weird things going on in his ablites section that looks poorly put togather or put togather by sombody who wants to discredited his skill.

Danzō actually used the genjutsu himself, after implanting the eye. Itachi himself never used the technique, he just set up the eye to activate given a certain condition. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:58, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

It says its his jutsu on the first page and itachi himself stated he used it the crow is itachis and itachi gave naruto some of his power i dont no how you can say he never used it when he just stated openly in fact he did. Jodyjoe0 (talk) 01:56, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Is Itachi Alive?
Hi, I'm sort of new but as of chapter 550 is Itachi alive since he's not controlled by Kabuto..or is he still controlled by Kabuto? The Manga's confuses me.KuroRai 02:13, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well. He broke free of the control, but he's still not what you and I would call alive. He's an Edo Tensei zombie without any master. Seelentau 愛議 01:17, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Kabuto can no longer control Itachi's actions, though I believe that if he wanted, he could simply recall Itachi, similar to what he did with Deidara when Deidara was fighting Ōnoki, or else release Itachi's soul, making Itachi crumble into ashes and the body of the sacrifice. I don't think that's something Kabuto would do, not unless he has enough of Itachi to make a new sacrifice to summon him, if recalling someone more than once is even possible. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:24, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * By logic, it would be possible. But it would be stupid, because Kabuto could just re-summon Sasori, Shin etc. Seelentau 愛議 12:15, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * So Itachi can't be released by Kabuto? --Ilnarutoanime 12:27, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say no. Itachi himself said he broke free of Kabuto's control. Why would he be able to release Itachi? Seelentau 愛議 12:32, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Then how would he be released? --Ilnarutoanime 13:07, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Dunno. This is the first time such a thing happened in the Manga. We've to wait for the next few chapters if we want a clear answer. Seelentau 愛議 13:46, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think something very anti-climatic will happen, such as Nagato using Soul Removal on Itachi. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:54, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought Nagato used the Soul Removal on Naruto. --Ilnarutoanime 15:58, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

He was about to use it, if he had used it, Naruto would be dead right now. He only constricted him with those "chakra dragons", but hasn't yet proceeded to remove his soul. Anyway, Itachi could simply remain an active figure of the Manga, untill that which can free his soul is done... in Itachi's case, that would be Sasuke coming back to the light. After that happens, Itachi will be released from the binding...95.43.250.233 (talk) 16:12, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * @Ilnarutoanime He is using it against Naruto, what I mean is that I think that the end of Edo Itachi will be something anti-climatic, for example, him being "forcefully released" by Nagato, through the use of Soul Removal. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:15, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Aah ok I misunderstood it. I think it will be since Kabuto completely controlled Nagato.--Ilnarutoanime 16:17, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

So then basically, No... that's a shame =/.KuroRai 18:30, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

itachi abilities article kinda makes him look unimpressive on narutopedia
when reading about itachi article and compareing it to the last data book and whats been said in the manga you dont actually understand how powerful and skilled itachi is...but i read thing like "he was aware of his limitations, given his praise of Jiraiya, saying the best he could do against him was a stalemate" i get the feeling that the person writing or editing the article is trying to discredit itachi or didint actully read the manga before hand.....because it was stated that itachi was only doing and saying thing like that to e-viod conflict its no more true then him wanting to capture kakashi or naruto in part 1 so why was this even added?

also statement like "he is on another level to the others"(Edo Tenseis) by Kabuto or how even madara was always in amazement of itachi are skiped but what is added is "The only thing that Itachi was lacking was his chakra reserves, which was below average" WHAT? when i read minato there arent any negatives when i read jiraya they arent any negatives(he has alot of negative points about his abilities) but itachi has his powers thrown under the bus by narutopdia? it lmost looks in attentional.

i remember it never used to be like this but somebody which i can only conclude is a itachi hater or someone simply doesnt think that highly of him edited him severely to make him look less impressive then what he actually is. Jodyjoe0 (talk) 17:25, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Itachi did say that about Jiraiya. The fact he was ill puts a damper on his overall potential, him wanting to avoid conflict or not. If you check his databook stats, you'll see he has low stamina, which translates into smaller chakra pool, as chakra is physical energy mixed with spiritual energy. That in turn also showcases his good chakra control since we always see him use powerful techniques. It's interesting, because you're not taking in consideration anything good said about him, such as Sasuke being unable to defeat him despite Itachi's disadvantages. His taijutsu, ninjutsu and Sharingan sections only praise him. That makes you seem one of those people who are very partial towards Itachi, who can't see anything bad being said about him without accusing others of being haters. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:37, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

That is something i wanted to bring up too, actually. I would have especially focused on the line "he was aware of his limitations, given his praise of Jiraiya, saying the best he could do against him was a stalemate". <== Itachi never said anything like this in the Manga, nor did Kisame say something along the lines: "If we both fight him at the same time, maybe we could win". This was Anime-only, like many other things that the Anime team likes to put in. The chapter in question is 144. It's quite the opposite, actually... Kisame states that Jiraiya might be a match for them.95.43.250.233 (talk) 17:42, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

If it was in the anime, we list it as well, as that is also part of the franchise. I'll look for chapter 144 and the corresponding episode. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:47, August 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * This stalemate statement is kind of ironic actually, given that Itachi and Jiraiya share the same highest stat total (35.5). --kiadony 17:50, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Its not anime only, the translation may be wrong.--Deva 27 17:53, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

@Omnibender

I dont undrstand what your really trying to say here the only person with article that has bad things about him writein is ITACHI!AT LEAST the ones i have read so far in comparison so far and i have read alot of aritcles..

if your going to add the bit about his statment about jiraya then why didnt you add the bit where he openly states only a person with the same bloodline as him could defeat him? you see what im saying? why was that left out but the jiraya part added? ITACHI NOT TELLING THE TRUTH THERE? but he was when he praised jiraya?

you also forget itachi was just talking about himself but also kiasme as well with more men as back up to make it worst itachi didnt no what jiraya was capable of so what makes this statment so accurate to.

also the databook goes of of recent condition like sarutobi speed and strength being decreased because his old age itachi stamina is not actually that low it was because he was sick.

like i told you up there when i read minato jiraya and even sarutobi i dont see any negatives in fact i read inaccurate statements. to make them look stronger like minato being unsurpassable which raikage only said in the context of him thinking he was the chosen one because of jiraya told him so but you dont dare say according to raikage minato is a idiot.NO! only things that make him look good are added so why isnt itachi given the same treatment?

im wondering why are you attcaking my character for me making in observation calling me partial towards Itachi? WHAT? so your the one making him look that way?Jodyjoe0 (talk) 18:24, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I wonder what's wrong with Itachi's article. --Ilnarutoanime 18:28, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not saying you are, I'm saying it makes you look like. The only bad things ever said or shown about Jiraiya's ability was that he sucked at genjutsu, and that he didn't master Sage Mode. Itachi was said to keep himself alive with medicine, but was never said since when, or for how long he did that. For all we know, he could already be sick when he was introduced. Kimimaro was also fatally ill, but his stamina in the databook is 4.5, though I think that the fact he has a cursed seal puts his stamina up as well, something Itachi didn't have. Hiruzen's article shows that he has lost a lot of his power with age, as shown with the limited use of Shadow Clones. Minato's article has few negatives about him because the manga itself shows few negatives about him, such as failing to combine nature transformation with the Rasengan. I list what the manga and anime show, just that. What makes Itachi look good is that he was able to do everything he did, despite having the fatal illness disadvantage, something that in my opinion makes him even more impressive, not less. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:48, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

i see so what has been listed is a representation of what you believe makes itachi impressive? i think i understand now.This also explains why his abilities section his changed so much since the time of his death.it makes sense i doubt all the editors are objective with opinions after all it went from"itachi is a exceptionally gifted who easlly deafeated several powerful shniboi(whos names got listed) to "he was aware of his limitations, given his praise of Jiraiya, saying the best he could do against him was a stalemate(even though kisame was postive itachi would beat him)

But i can see what has happend but i digressJodyjoe0 (talk) 20:48, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Don't get mad at the wiki get mad at Kishi, as the manga went on since his first shown fight a lot about him has been revealed good and bad. If anything, Kishi has shown that he is a amazing ninja who prepares for many situations and has great chakra control.Umishiru (talk) 20:55, August 4, 2011 (UTC)