Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31568508-20170321130337/@comment-27924662-20170324112125

UntappedRage wrote: Alright knowing never means that you can counter the ability I hope you do remember that and the fact that it works both ways. Hashirama knows about naruto's prowess too. UntappedRage wrote: I don't get what was not moving? that time ten-tails was thrashing around and firing biju bombs. if naruto uses kurama avatar Hashirama can always pin down kurama and suppress and steal kurama chakra using the wood dragon, If naruto uses chakra arms they would be pin down by the God gates seal. Once Hashirama pins naruto down with wood release and the Seal he could finish him at his leisure. Somehow you are underestimating 1000 hands, The only person to have completely demolished PS were Hashirama and kaguya. Noone else has demolished Susanoo completely ever(particularly PS) So few chakra hands aren't going to save naruto. UntappedRage wrote: UntappedRage wrote:
 * The OP said they are aware of each other abilities, so anything Hashirama pulls out Naruto will be aware of its nature.
 * Naruto also has incredible healing power. 
 * I never said Hashirama wasn't a beast, I just said he didn't actually hold off the Ten-tails through single combat. He sealed its movement easily because it wasn't moving. Ironic, eh?
 * Sealing Naruto's movement is hard because:
 * Naruto is aware of this abilities
 * Naruto can also somewhat counter the Giant 1000 Arm Buddha with his own chakra arms, if need be, mitigating potential damage. He is also fast enough to evade this technique.
 * Naruto moves around and displays better speed feats than Hashirama
 * Naruto can exit Tailed-Beast Mode at will, coupled with the fact he knows all of Hashirama's sealing techniques, this is invaluable.
 * He only sealed Madara with the exact same technique because Naruto hit him with a Giant Rasenshuriken, causing him to lose form, and thus - stop moving. Won't help him much. I mean even if he tries to exit the state the seal would still be on him and he would be pinned down completely like how madara was when he fought Hashirama in 4th great ninja war. Also Hashirama might try to extract the beast chakra or naruto's chakra using the wood dragon than what will he do?

All-in-all, Naruto displays better versatility than any other opponent that Hashirama has fought before, including Madara. It's true he does but problem is that he doesn't shows much of it in BSM even by going last's feats. IF he still has access to SPSM and the lava chakra (which could trump wood release) than maybe he has chance but in this state no it's a dream to think he might survive Hashi in death battle. UntappedRage wrote: Because somehow I am not very convinced with your argument. When Madara fought Hashirama he encased Kurama in Susanoo to prevent wood release from affecting him. Can Naruto do that? no which is why Madara use was more effective and he had kurama in control by use of genjutsu which means he was even keeping it in enraged state. And we all know how troublesome is enraged kurama. So I would say Madara use might have been more effective even though he didn't had versatility. '''Naruto himself doesn't has too many jutsu only rasengan going by that logic. ''' UntappedRage wrote: why is that? because naruto can deactivate BSM? if that's so than Madara could have forced Kurama to retreat like summoning animal. but than how would he have escaped the 1000 strikes afterwards? UntappedRage wrote: TL;DR: I'm not saying Full KSM Naruto stronger than Hashirama by any means, I'm just saying it's relatively even. When opponents of near-equal caliber fight, it's really down to the first one who makes a mistake. Even if you say They both are equal but hashirama will always have the upper hand because of wood dragon aka Chakra absorption. Sooner or later Naruto is gonna run out of gas and he would lose.
 * Madara fought without prior knowledge to most of Hashirama's abilities, Naruto has knowledge
 * Madara fought with a physical and therefore less versatile Kurama, Naruto can manifest chakra Kurama, arms, etc etc
 * Madara literally has no other jutsu that can rival Hashirama other than Susano'o, Naruto has a bunch of Jutsu that can. Remember when Naruto countered Deep Forest Emergence with Rasengan's?
 * Madara cannot put up an effective counter nor dodge the 1000 Arm Buddha, while Naruto can.
 * Hashirama himself is more versatile than Madara, similar to the versatility of Naruto.