Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20160221124823/@comment-24163532-20160225234658

I don't think Jiraiya would use his swamp a lot, if he would I think he would of used it on the Six Paths of Pein since that was an ideal moment. Moving further on to this guy.

@Ninja of War "If you want to say that the flame of Amaterasu is instantaneous, I can agree with you, but it doesn't change the fact that for Itachi to use it there is a charge up." And as I stated, Charge up means nothing when you have the Shairngan to analyze your targets every movement. " 2)You have compared it, here is a quote from the previous thread:" That's not really comparing since he was referring to Amaterasu in general and they are both Amaterasu. Itachi's Amaterasu flames are just as fast as Sasuke's, the only difference between Sasuke's and Itachi's is Sasuke has the ability to manipulate them way more freely. "You still continue to accuse me of things I never stated," So you didn't say the Toads could dodge Amaterasu in your argument with @Lone? You didn't even go further into it by stating how big Gama bro got out of the Rinnegan's visual view? Interesting cause I could of swore when @Lone stated "8) 8) Gaara vs Naruto. Gamabunta was never shown to move so fast no one can take their eyes of him or move fast period. He’s a massive toad. However where is your reference where it states otherwise. Sure vs other giant summoning’s, they could be fast (for their size), but fast enough to dodge Amaterasu? I think not." You tried countering with "8) Toads are known for there ability to cover large distances in a single leap, now this jumping ability can be used for speed, to jump in and out of combat. As referenced by Gamaken, when he jumped out of combat with pein's summonings and even out of the focus of pein's rinnegan. So there is a reference to toads being able to evade the focus of dojutsu. To dodge or block Amaterasu," Then you state "Where is your evidence that no toad can get away from Amaterasu? I referenced toads jumping ability and how it can be used for speed and how it avoided the focus of dojutsu." When I say you state the Toads are faster then Haku it's because you are. Haku was not fast enough to get out of a Genin Sasuke's visual prowress but you claim a giant toad is, therefore you say the toads are faster then Haku. "4) Here is further reference to Haku being countered by Lee and Guy, ch 522 pg 14." Finally an actual page where you reference something off of. This is a good counter to the speed of light so it's probably an exaggeration where you were right. Still it's still stated to be the speed of a reflection and Haku was able to easily block their kick in his more advance speed. So it's likely Haku in his mirror form is still faster then Gai and Lee since they couldn't follow through and Haku was actually moving towards them. The Wiki also still has that description of it not being possible to analyze without Sharingan, might want to change that or we would have to go by that statement. @#5 of your points, what episode? @the rest of it, I do not want to answer every single thing, I don't got that time and I have better things to do, I answer the things that take interest to me, but i'll indulge you, any question you want answer, ask away with your next post, don't tell me to read past posts, because I don't have that kind of time, if you want a question answered now, ask now, if not don't complain about me not answering your questions. Also all my statements are listed with Manga Chapter's, Anime, and Wiki content to back up my every claim. You barely list anything to your claims. It's also unlikely for Jiraiya to use Smoke Bombs since he never has relied on them even when he fought Itachi briefly before. It doesn't seem like his style and so I don't think he would rely on them. Though do they even affect the Sharingan? Sharingan see's the Chakra flow to some extent, even so that seems counter productive since Jiraiya and/or his toads would be affected, Itachi can easily replace himself with a Destruction Clone and BAM when they think they're going to hit him, it's really a big ol explosion. Jiraiya also does not have an infinite supply so provide a reference to where he was seen using them and how many he used or shown to have will be his limit.