Talk:Akatsuki/Archive 1

since the have cloaks wouldn't team sanke be full fledged members by now?
 * For full membership, I believe the rings are required, Tobi only got to be a member after he got Sasori's ring. Omnibender 13:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Age
Deidara is nineteen? When was this? Source, please?

Kishimoto's 3rd data book,

Hidans ring
Could this be what Hidans ring stands for: Three enclosures? Jacce 18:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

What is wrong with the article...?
For some reason i cant see the reference nor the categories... could someone explain? Gojita 14:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed, someone stupidly used . Because they used a stupid, invalid comment format they went and created a comment which did not close and thus broke every bit of the article after that point. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) current discussion  Apr 16, 2008 @ 01:19 (UTC)

Error?
Wasn't Itachi replaced with Sasuke by Madara? Zejoro 10:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Madara made a alliance with Snake/Hawk because he lacked people. I don't think he has replaced anyone yet. Jacce 10:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Goal
I may not be completely up to date, and i skipped a few chapters in between places in shippuden but could i have a source for this info? i have never seen Pain confirm any of his goals... just want to make sure that we have valid info here Acacia Akiyama 17:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The three stage goals was stated in chapter 329, starting on page 11. Pain's purpose with the demons was stated in chapter 374 page 11 (how ironically). I hope that was helpful. Jacce 17:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes very helpfull thank you 156.34.181.176 17:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Similarities
Why did someone get rid of the list of the similarities of Akatsuki Team Members?

manga members
in the meeting after the sakuke and naruto fight the shapes of the members are different, one guy is twice as big as all the others and other profiles don't match. can someone check this to make sure im not crazy--PAIN 04:22, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe some former member that died during the time skip. Jacce 05:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Judging by the big guy's silhouette (ignoring his size for a moment), that guy is Kakuzu. Kishimoto probably decided to make him smaller later on. If you check Kakuzu's position when they extract Shukaku, you can see he's also very large there.
 * The only silhouette I couldn't identify in the ch.238 meeting was the one saying "Itachi, your little brother?". This silhouette later appears again during the Shukaku extraction in ch.255 to complain he was irritated because he couldn't find his jinchūriki and wanted to engage Team Guy. This silhouette was probably an early design for Hidan or was meant to be Hidan's predecessor, one of the partners Kakuzu killed. --ShounenSuki (talk 07:59, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Immortality, Eternal Youth and Long Life Span
I believe Pain should be removed from this list as we cn clearly see that the bodies are deceased puppets being controlled by someone else, at least until the Nagato body can prove he can rejoin this section. ~Super Novice-Talk to Me~ 04:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I humbly disagree, SuperN, as Pain can replace his bodies, as seen by him replacing his Animal Path, thus avoiding death.--Ethelion 05:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You're not understanding what I am saying. I'm not disagreeing with the fact Pain can replaced any of his Paths I'm saying until he is shown replacing or proving to live exceptionally long in his Nagato Body(one one walking around with black and and in a machine) he shouldn't be on the list. ~Super Novice-Talk to Me~ 05:14, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Omg he can replace his paths, yes that is true, but when his real body dies the deceased bodies will go back to being deceased bodies, Nagato cant replace himself
 * That's exactly what were saying and seeing as how the Paths are not the real Pain/ Nagato he should be excluded from the list of immortals or those with long lives.~Super Novice-Talk to Me~ 00:31, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, Pain should be removed from this list. Kankurō can replace his puppets too, but we don't consider him to have anything close to immortality or an increased lifespan. --ShounenSuki (talk 00:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Stop deleting Team Hawk
Someone keeps deleting team hawk from the associates, can you please stop doing that

Uniform Removal
It says When They die Except HidanThey Lose Their Uniforms,But Hidan was Decapitated Sorta,So,He Technically Lost His Uniform --Silver Sinspawn (talk) 07:30, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Links

 * Has any1 noticed that most of the edits done here, r either creatin links, or changin pains name to pein or vice-versa, or changin the order of sumthin, or changin a village name by either adding or removing "no sato"...

its geetin pretty annoyin....any chance of protecting this page, AlienGamer Talk


 * Semi-protected for a week. I'm not confident it will do much, but we'll see. ~SnapperTo 04:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Reasons for Recruitment
You have incorrectly said some of their reasons, Itachi's is actually 'Philosophy', and Deidaras is whim, not 'just because'. Kakuzus is 'Raw Materials', and Kisames is 'Grievance'.
 * These are the official translations of the reasons they have joined. Annaatar (talk) 10:17, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, since the manga doesn't attribute any one reason to a specific character, the anime's translation should be used. For that the only incorrect ones would be Itachi (philosophy), Kisame (grudges), and Deidara (whim). ~SnapperTo 18:50, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see a photograph of where this is used in the official English manga (photo, not scan, a photo indicates proof it's from an actual manga rather than scanned and edited), and a reference to the episode and a note on how far in it is used. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) May 16, 2009 @ 21:16 (UTC)
 * Episode 81, 11:48. ~SnapperTo 03:03, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Crunchyroll links should be preferred over Viz's video site. Viz uses Hulu and isn't available to basically anyone except the US, even though Viz is supposed to have wider distribution rights than just that. Namely I'm in Canada, thus I can't view Hulu videos, but crunchyroll is available to the lot of us. Though atm I ran into my flashplayer bug (I'm using an alpha release of 10 for my 64bit system, sooner or later I'm going to just have to get around to installing the stable 32bit) which stops me from seeing subtitles. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) May 17, 2009 @ 09:36 (UTC)

Akatsuki Meeting on Ep. 135
I'd really like to know who was there on Akatsuki's meeting on Ep.135. If someone can find out, try to list them from left to right. Note: Hidan was not at the Meeting. P.S. If ShounenSuki answers this question, sorry for asking so much, you've been a big help to me.--Akatsuki101 (talk) 20:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There is nothing wrong with asking a lot of questions, as long as they are relevant to the Wiki. The Akatsuki members that were in that meeting were (from left to right)
 * Kisame Hoshigaki
 * Kakuzu
 * Konan
 * Itachi Uchiha
 * Deidara
 * Sasori
 * An unknown member
 * Pain's Deva Path
 * Zetsu
 * --ShounenSuki (talk 20:52, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Recent developments
As Pain and Konan are no longer members of Akatsuki, can someone move them to 'former members' or suchlike? Thanks. TomServo101 (talk) 07:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Also Nagato is currently not wearing his ring, actually he never wore it at all as Deva Path wore it, also did Konan just take her ring, but weather the less Nagato or Yahiko is not currently wearing the ring.--Hidan13 (talk) 15:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Blasted, protected D:
Someone worthy editing this page (read: sysop) do a present-to-past-cleaning on Pain and Konan's team description, please. Hakinu talk 13:46, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I hope I helped, someone should check the edit. Jacce | Talk 13:52, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Add 'ed' to the end of 'function' (functioned), and it's tip top ^_^ Hakinu talk 15:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, another thing
About the images that illustrates the Itachi/Kisame-team's and the Sasori/Deidara-team's debutes, I think the images should show when they show their faces, because both teams show their faces during their debut episodes. Hakinu talk 15:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

team
isn't safe to say that tobi and kisame will be a team?


 * We don't know, therefore it's speculation, which we don't add to articles :] Hakinu talk 21:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

it is starting to look like tobi and zetsu are a team. Vik0z0z (talk) 00:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

rings
so does the databook explicitly state that the rings are linked to the kuji-in? because they seem more like astrology references to me.

also what's with the shoddy japanese? shouldn't it be minami for 南　(instead of "nan"), tama for 玉　and such?

Someone with sysop rights has to update the status on Konan and Nagato's rings from "currently" to "formerly". Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:46, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Jacce | Talk 16:48, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, this raises a question with me. Why do we use appellations like "currently" and "formerly"? Narutopedia is supposed to document the series at any point in the story, right? That's the reason we use the first appearance of a character as the main picture in their article and why we didn't remove the jinchūriki status from Gaara's article. Sorting characters and such by "former" and "current" status is rather against this point... --ShounenSuki (talk 17:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree...But that also raises the question of having a section for active teams and a different one for inactive teams..AlienGamer | Talk 17:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think the formerly thing is here kinda as a hold on to when we were first getting our footing. It probably isn't needed now. With the exception being Orochimaru, as he left Akatsuki and took his ring before the series started.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 18:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree. So, does anyone disagree, or can the article be rewritten? --ShounenSuki (talk 18:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't have to be extensive. Just rework the rings and the active member/team sections. --TheUltimate3 (talk) 18:46, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * If we're going to follow the logic in Shounen's statement on having articles to be documenting any point in the story, we can't have things like Itachi's introduction (Itachi Uchiha (うちはイタチ, Uchiha Itachi) was Sasuke Uchiha's older brother), or any kind of point stating the characters in question are no longer related like they were (also applying to current/former teams, friends, rivals, enemies and so on). Hakinu talk 20:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * That's why Wikipedia's manual of style dictates that summaries of fictional works should always be written in the present tense. Adapting that to Narutopedia, that would mean that everything that happens during the series should be written in the present tense, while everything that happened before the series began (e.g. the founding of Konoha) should be written in the past tense. --ShounenSuki (talk 20:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a good idea to me! Hakinu talk 20:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Isn't that what we are doing?--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say so, looking at all the past tense in the articles all around... Or am I misunderstanding you? Hakinu (talk 21:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Usually it is. When the mood strikes someone they switch present to past; compare what Nagato was last week to what it is this week, for example. But according to the MOS, past tense is desirable. ~SnapperTo 21:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Sealing Bijuu
Isn't it impossible now? Nagato/Pain was the only who knew the sealing jutsu and only he could summon that demonic statue to seal the Bijuu within it, so technically they can't seal Bijuu anymore (unless they got something else up their sleeve...) &mdash; DarK  11:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I suppose we'll find out soon enough..AlienGamer | Talk 11:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Madara, Zetsu and Kisame tryed to seal eigth-tails on their own, only to found out it was a replacement. Jacce | Talk 11:05, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

wouldn't it be probable that either all members can use the tech. or maybe Madara can? 24.189.153.102 (talk) 23:18, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It is more likley that all member can use the jutsu. Jacce | Talk 05:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Lock
Since when do locks effect members?!?!?!?!?!?Vegerot (talk) 04:36, 31 May 2009 (UTC)!!
 * /shurg usually doesn't. But I guess it's worth mentioning somehow because all of Akatsuki were ment to be monsters.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 04:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

amegakure
remove amegakure from the lisst of associates--Vik0z0z (talk) 19:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Deidara forced?
He wasn't forced..after Itachi said that if he defeats Deidara he will join Akatsuki he atacked Itachi.. be4 saying anything like not agreeing to what the Uchiha said... so it was his choice

its wasnt his choice to join akatsuki(he resented) but was forced to join because of their agreement "if I defeat you, you will join akatuki". Itachi wasnt asking, he is stating. Deidera attacked Itachi because Itachi underestimated him(I will finish this quickly, he said). By attacking Itachi he sealed an agreement.

Kisame is the Senior
In the anime Kisame is clearly a senior in the group, as when Itachi joins Kisame is already present67.82.165.192 (talk) 02:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)Masked Mizukage
 * Skill and experience tends to determine senior. Jacce | Talk 04:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Kisame and Itachi's picture
Will someone please replace the picture of Kisame and Itachi with this or any better pic of them. The one right now in the article is as useful as there being no picture at all. We can't even see the faces of either of them.

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 * uhh it says in trivia that hidan is the only akatsuki member who didnt remove his akatsuki uniform, didnt his uniform get blown to bits by tags and his head was still talking.  Sharingan123 (talk) 14:43, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

kages
is this trivia:Akatsuki has fought with six kages; resulting in the death of the Third Hokage, the Third Kazekage, the Fourth Kazekage, and the Fifth Kazekage. Pain's invasion of Konoha indirectly lead to the comatose state of the Fifth Hokage. Also, while not actually fighting, Madara indirectly led to the death of the Fourth Hokage. (The other two Kages where Hashirama(Madara) and Danzo(Nagato: after Yahiko's death, presuming that Danzo was there command the Root Anbu) Feel free to reword it. Vik0z0z (talk) 22:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

i want to add that kakuzu also fought the first hokage Narutosagemaster (talk) 06:36, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

zetsu
it would make sense as to why zetsu's ring would say mysterious(gen) Vik0z0z (talk) 00:12, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * One: Your point being?;
 * Two: It actually doesn't say that;
 * Three: Why would it make sense? The other rings' meanings had no real connection to their wearers.
 * --ShounenSuki (talk 00:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Three Day Jutsu
In the introductory paragraphs it calls the Sealing Teqhnique: Illusion Dragon Nine Consuming Seals a three day jutsu. This is inaccurate, as it has been stated already that it takes longer with less people.

List of Members

 * Madara is stated as a co-founder. Shouldnt this be change to founder? uhm, Pein also mentioned that he founded Akatsuki, but this may as well be considered as a cover up for Madara in an effort to keep his identity a secret, since if Pein stated that he is just a co-founder, it would lead members to question "who then is the founder?" If Pein is the "founder" then why would he take orders from Madara?

Should we state in the trivia that in the latest manga chapter of Naruto that there are 11 members of the shadow illustration of Akatsuki during Tsuchikage's explanation, although it's stated that at any given time there are 10 at best? I thought that maybe it could have been all of the known members of Akatsuki we've seen in the manga so far, but then again it's a shadow pic so that could imply that there is a hidden, yet to be revealed member...but that's just speculation on my part...ItachiZero (talk) 15:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)ItachiZero


 * I think that's just showing all of the known members, past and present. I base this on the fact that Hidan and Deidara joined after Orochimaru left, and the members are apparently next to their partners (which would make the mysterious "11th member" Tobi). The same thing is done on the cover of volume 41. '~SnapperT

o' 17:14, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I just went back and looked at it and after paying attention to all the silhouettes it's clear that those are all the members of Akatsuki that have been shown in the series although not all necessarily to their partners. Orochimaru is also seen and sasori is standing next to konan and not deidara nor orochimaru, & Itachi is also on the end seperate from Kisame. So it's just a pic of all those we know about including Tobi. You can disregard my first comment...ItachiZero (talk) 18:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)ItachiZero

Under the list of members, shouldn't sasuke, karin, jugo, and suigetsu be there? i know that they weren't wearing official uniforms or wearing the rings and i know that sasuke said "taka is no longer part of akatsuki," but madara really considers them to be true members. He even told them "you will finish your job as part of akatsuki," and then orders them to kill the 5 kage. he also told them that if they betrayed akatsuki, he'll have them killed. so shouldn't they be on the list?

Akatsuki has 11 Members Not 10
On the most recent Manga Akatsuki is shown to have an eleventh member. All the ones we know about are there including Orochimaru however theres a 11th member amongst them between Hidan and Zetsu on the right.
 * Most likely Tobi/Madara. Jacce | Talk 08:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's Kakuzu. It goes like this (from left): Tobi, Deidara, Itachi, Kisame, Konan, Pain, Sasori, Orochimaru, Zetsu, KAKUZU, Hidan.Geohound (talk) 09:09, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Bottom line: the pic showed all known members, even former and dead (Ōnoki thought that Orochimaru was a member when Suna and Oto attacked Konoha, but it is clearly that he left before). At most they where ten, but as long they has been shown in the series, there has been no more then nine. Jacce | Talk 09:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Zero-Tailed Masked Leech
Why the Zero-Tailed Masked Leech was never mentioned by Akatsuki?--189.54.167.102 (talk) 20:12, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it's not canon, it's a movie only tailed beast. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:02, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Madara's Goal
Why does it say that Madara's goal is to restore the strength of his Mangekyo Sharingan? Never has he himself stated that he didn't have his MS or really anything about his sharingan in general (in the present). Please fix that or tell me where someone got this ridiculous fact from. Axel Carnage (talk) 20:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Akatsuki Stats
Shouldn't the stats of the Akatsuki members be put up, possibly in the Abilities section (like in Bleach Wikia). If my memory serves, the Akatsuki stats have been released in the most recent Data book... P.s Sorry for double posting... Grimmjow2 (talk) 16:21, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That mite take a major modification to the page itself. Maybe the stats shud be put up in the trivia section of the characters page..--AlienGamer--Talk-- 16:19, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Even though its a challenging task, it should be done. This wikia is meant to help people understand more about "Naruto", and the stats would help. I think the best place to put them is in the "Abilities" section. In fact, before I saw the stats, I thought Hidan was pathetic, but his battle stats showed otherwise...Grimmjow2 (talk) 15:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)