Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-38123797-20190119105132

CombatIQmatters wrote: Moving on, @Ikbalsinghdhanjal

1) A decently charged 30 percent Itachi's finger genjutsu would trap Oro, so yeah, no. Itachi already one shot the dude with 3 tomoe genjutsu. You are right that Oro can close his eyes, And Kabuto stated that he was immune to ALL visual genjutsu, and Itachi was forced to use a genjutsu that relied on the sense of touch in order to get Kabuto change his fate. So finger genjutsu still uses the eye as the medium. Too bad that Itachi is going for the kill in this fight and he has alot more going on than genjutsu.

Since, Naruto broke out of it. There is no way that Orochimaru wouldn't be able to break out. Genjutsu is not possible until Itachi pulls out Izanami.

2) The moment Itachi entered that cave, Kabuto was scared shitless of Totsuka, even immediately revealing to Itachi how the edo tensei can be broken so that his life could be spared. There is a reason why he immediately told him the truth, he was scared. Headcanon is not needed. He said "Lady luck shines on me" because he was smart enough to IMMEDIATELY create a situation where Itachi's Totsuka was restricted ( the only thing in Itachi's arsenal that can put him down) and stacked a genjutsu immunity on top of that. He was also in his home court, a cave, which was shown and stated to optimize a lot of his newfound Sage mode abilities. Kabuto is a genius, Itachi still defeated him on the first move. I don't remember him saying that. All I remember is that he was happy that his reason to side with tobi came to him himself. So, could you link it? 3) His SMALL yakasa beads (not even the bijuu dama sized ones he fired at chibaku tensei) were strong enough to STUN SM Kabuto to the point that Kabuto could NOT dodge Sasuke's susano'o arrow, the same arrow he casually dodged moments before. If that was Totsuka, Kabuto was already dead. They may have the size but they are not the same as bijuu dama's destructive power. His yasaka beads were no different from madara's ones which were as good as obito's giant shuriken. What he used against nagato was a combination of three beads together and was pathetic in comparison to bijuu dama.

4)Kabuto was pinned on the ceiling temporarily. He used it as a lure to draw Itachi in to stab Itachi. Itachi already read his move in advance though and prepared one of his untraceable clone feints, and easily cut off Kabuto's horn from behind. Again, if that was Totsuka, Kabuto was one shotted. Everything else that happened after that in that fight is irrelevant, because Itachi was handicapped due to preparing and charging izanami, something that won't be happening in this vs battle. As soon as it was charged, SM Kabuto got lolbunshinfeinted yet again for the win. What is your point? I have seen that fight. You don't need to explain it to me.

2)Headcanon, Totsuka blade sure is shit isn't slow. In the official Viz translation, Orochimaru was perfectly aware he was in a fight with Itachi, that much was obvious, he was staring right at him and talking. Orochimaru was cut off MID SENTENCE by the blade coursing through him. Orochimaru has superhuman reaction time compared to us real life humans. He was caught off guard mid-speech, was visibly confused and shocked in his facial expression, and said "eh?". His optic nerve couldn't process the blade's speed, only someone biased would claim otherwise. With Nagato it was the same thing. Watching a giant ass blade coming at him from a decent distance away out of a clearing smokescreen, still got blitzed without a mental reaction. No Shinra tensei, no Preta, no Shurado, no summonings, no body flicker, no substituttion jutsu, nothing. Straight up blitzed. Not hard to see why Black Zetsu called him invincible with Yata and Totsuka. It isn't slow, that is right. But it is surely not faster than sasuke's arrow which sm kabuto dodged effectively. So, tb isn't hitting unless he distracts him which makes it harder this time considering he does not have sasuke and is up against 3 opponents.

Itachi has proven himself in every fight he has been in. Successfully Clone feinted Kakashi, Kurenai, and Asuma all at the same time and established a win condition. Last time I checked, kakashi saw through that and made a water clone as well.

Successfully Clone Feinted Hebi Sasuke and had a win condition( Sasuke was grappling a clone it could have been rigged to explode) Wasn't that a subtle genjutsu battle?

Clone feinted Nagato, KCM Naruto, and Killer Bee all at the same time. Nagato was physically holding him, and yet Itachi substituted out with a shadow clone without naruto, bee, or Nagato noticing, and went for a skydiving trip lmao. That was not a clone feint. Itachi does not use shadow clones. He uses crow clones. All he did was body flicker technique. Killer Bee was outright shit diff'd. He registered a "?!!" in response to Itachi's impossible clone feinting skill. Nagato and Naruto only noticed he was in mid-air after he was already coming close to landing on them, due to their incredible sensory skills, but even so, it took Itachi DISPELLING his shadow clone in order for them to notice that they had all been duped in the first place. Later in that same fight. Itachi shunshin'd behind Killer Bee, a perfect jinchuriki, told him he was behind him, and Killer Bee's response was : "got it". LMAO. Killer Bee didn't even notice he just got speed blitzed and had to be told that Itachi was behind him. Itachi cared about bee. If he was serious, the totsuka blade would have been in the back of Bee's head, or even a kunai at that point. Later in that same fight, Itachi caught Killer Bee in genjutsu without him noticing. Killer Bee was standing in la la land grabbing a fake Itachi with a tentacle that we clearly saw that he truly released into the ground. Itachi just wasn't where Bee thought he was. Itachi turned into crows to make it quite obvious that Bee was in genjutsu and had been made to beleive that he had won. If Itachi chose not to do that in his illusion, Bee was a sitting duck. He then told Bee to never look in his eyes lmao. Base 3 tomoe Itachi caught someone at the level of Killer Bee slacking three times in the same fight with zero difficulty.... even stalemated his seven sword style with a mere kunai, and only retreated in order to do something about Edo tensei. Will you stop wasting time by writing such long answers that just describe the feats that narutoverse already knows?

Itachi has clone feinted EVERY single person he has been in a fight with. His clone feints are essentially instant, undetectable, and unavoidable for these 3 opponents, especially given his near instant hand seal speed. Half of them are shunshin, Some of them are subtle genjutsus and the rest of them are crow clones. Bijuu dama sized yakasa beads alone are enough to box Orochimaru in and one shot him with Totsuka. An Itachi crow clone will immediately get behind Kimimaro and snipe him with amaterasu, no way around it. He can shed his burning parts in the form of bones or make a bone shield like the one juubito used to block ems sasuke's amaterasu. Itachi can make his clones get the drop on the people from above, or behind, and the smokescreens and shunshin speed that can blitz killer Bee easily stomps someone at the level of Kimimaro, he won't know what him. Susano'o was used for what, maybe 20 seconds? one crow clone ( which can be made cheaper than the standard shadow clone). The crow clone can cast a katon variant at konan, then rush her and explode into crows, it's job is done. After Kimimaro and Orochimaru are incapacitated after the first 20 seconds or so of the fight, 100 percent Itachi has plenty in the tank to finish Konan with ephemeral if he wanted, taking advantage of his karasu bunshin's stunning effect. Do you take sage mode reaction feats for a joke? Naruto was able to hit third raikage with a rasengan who is clearly faster than itachi's any attack even amaterasu since Ay dodged sasuke's. The fight is literally that simple Totally