Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-28614651-20200422182101/@comment-6769189-20200518080125

Princeharris1993 wrote: @Legion

NARUTO dodged a Light Speed attack. Sasuke has NEVER dodged a technique anywhere near light speed. Sasuke's and Naruto's final fight begs to differ.

Princeharris1993 wrote:

Sasuke isn't at Jubbi Madara's speed. Being a Jubbi Jin drastically boosts your reaction time and speed among other thing. Sasuke cought Juubidara off guard before. Literally cut him in half. Juubidara makes a comment about his speed. And this was in the war arc, Sasuke has only gotten faster

Princeharris1993 wrote:

Sasuke wouldn't have been able to dodge without the use of Space-Time Ninjutsu had he been in Minato's place, but as he wouldn't have dodged Kinshiki's axe attack without it. Minato never fought Kinshiki...

Princeharris1993 wrote:

The Wood Dragons neutralized Madara's ability to absorb chakra. Regardless if it was the BTAS or not, he wasn't able to absorb the dragons or negate their absorption abilities until he cut off their heads. They prevented him from using the ability, we dont know if it will stop him while he already has it active

Princeharris1993 wrote:

Sasuke might be a master of the paths, but he only showed us using it one time and that was in part 1, i don't recall any other uses afterwards. I think you mean part 2... either way he has the abilities even if he doesnt use them all the time. He used Deva path against Momoshiki too

Princeharris1993 wrote:

I never said NTCM was strong enough to take Juubi Jin Obito. I mentioned NTCM because Minato can use it to block Amaterasu... That doesnt matter because Amaterasu isnt the only problem to deal with.

Princeharris1993 wrote:

And no, there is no speculation with CT. Momoshiki escaped it when Sasuketried it on him. The FTG could literally instantly allow Minato and anyone else with the seal on them to escape its confines. You can't just negate that point by saying "speculation", especially when someone without it escaped from it. Since when was Minato as strong as Momoshiki? It also doesnt matter where Minato teleports if he is used as the core

Princeharris1993 wrote:

In the 4th War, DMS Kakashi warped a Naruto clone so fast that Obito, whom had BOTH the Rinnegan and the Sharingan, thought the clone got dispelled. He's literally quickscope them both to Kamui's dimension. Sure, Sasuke can escape, but Kakashi can repeat it over and over until Sasuke runs low on chakra, then Kakashi can warp the other Kage to Kamui's dimension to finish the job. Kakashi is running out of chakra long before Sasuke. Not to mention Sasuke has the Preta Path to absorb chakra and Naruto can lend him some

Sasuke's reaction time would allow him to teleport out of the Kamui wormhole thingy like Minato did to Obito back in the day. Naruto would also have a few of his thousands shadow clones to keep Kakashi in the defensive

Princeharris1993 wrote:

If Minato and Tobirama tag the other kage with their FTG Formulas and things get very dangerous. If they tag Naruto and Sasuke as well, then it gets even more dangerous for Naruto and Sasuke, as Minato and Tobirama basically have Amenotejikara. With the beatdown Hashirama's Buddha Statue gave Madara's Susanoo, it can be just as effective on Sasuke's Susanoo and Naruto's Kurama Avatar. Minato/Tobirama arent fast enough even with FTG to hit Naruto or Sasuke

Princeharris1993 wrote:

With Sasuke limiting himself the way he does, he stands no chance against all Kage at one time. Let's face it, the main opponent to worry about is Naruto. In the end, I don't see Naruto and Sasuke beating the other Kage with the way they fight now. Sure, they are strong, and their opponents aren't as powerful to an extent, but they have dangerous techniques that can be just as effective against Naruto and Sasuke. None of the Kage are anywhere near as powerful as Naruto or Sasuke. Hashirama is the strongest of them all and Juubito was stronger than him and Naruto/Sasuke dwarf Juubito in power

Most of the Kage are Chibaku Tensei'ed right out of the gate anyways

Babyfriend1 wrote:

1. This is just your speculation about how naruto would act

2. Naruto is only a rational actor to a certain extent 2.1: The small time he has to react is split between time he needs to use to make a decision and time he can use to act on that decision and he has a lot to consider 2.2: unless he was acting on reflexes in which case he still wouldn't be a rational actor 2.3: Narutoverse characters do tend to think on their feet but their actions in battle have not always been optimal in the series 2.4: The author also needs time to think of what the optimal move is if he's gonna have the character do it and for a small event like this that took less than a page I wouldn't assume he took time to consider things like that naruto should prepare for the possibility of madara using a different attack than the one that he did. So ehat younare saying is that you believe Naruto would let an enemy fire a random jutsu point blank in his face instead of take steps to not get hit by it?

Babyfriend1 wrote:

3. In order for him to bail completely he has to have time to stop his momentum completely in midair and then change direction His momentum was already stopped by the Limbo clone

Babyfriend1 wrote:

4. If he's really FTL or just faster than a fire-style attack he shouldn't need to start bailing immediately since he would still have time to see what the attack is and then move away if necessary Point is that he doesnt know what is coming and instead of taking precautions against an attack while it is being prepped he waits for it to come at his face. According to you at least

Babyfriend1 wrote:

1. His regular attack failed. Why would he be more than capable of counterattacking if he's not capable of regular attacking

2. What do you think he was trying to do when he should've been reacting to madara's preparation? Not trying to attack madara? Why would knowing madara is preparing something and responding by trying to counterattack him be faster than just continuing in trying to normally attack him? According to you he knows Madara is charging something up and dodging before it even launches so you tell me why he didnt just try to stop it all together.

Babyfriend1 wrote:

or preventing the attack from launching in the first place Do you have any proof he could've done that? Do you have any proof that he knew the attacknwas coming before it launched?

Babyfriend1 wrote:

I'm really not assuming anything here. You're the one who needs to assume it got through the staff instantly in order to give him the feat. You seem to think that the writer wrote things expecting the reader to think that by default so he only needs to explain whether it did or didn't if it didn't. You are adding panels to the scene, not the author. If Kishimoto wanted the reader to understand something so specific he would have included a tiny panel or dialogue bubble detailing it like he does for almost everything that needs such context. Sometimes stuff is explained multiple times.

Babyfriend1 wrote:

If that's not what you meant then I still don't know what you mean Then i dont know what to tell you. You keep saying that maybe he reacted the chakra build up with no showing or statements that he was even aware that an attack was being prepped

Literally a page before Madara used Limbo and Naruto wasnt aware of any kind of prep and later in this chapter he is surprised that Madara Substututed himself with a Limbo clone

You are telling me that for just this one attack Naruto is not only aware of an attack before it happens, but can appropriately respond to it before it even launches?

You are also telling me that the staff slowed down the Light Fang with no showings or statements from a panel drawn in such a way that it illustrates the the attack and Naruto mid-dodge exclaiming at what just happened while his staff and headband have been lasered through