User talk:TheUltimate3

Cumbersome articles
Tabs and drop downs? Do you mean like the Zetsu article? And can you please provide me some examples of "troublesome articles" as you mentioned? As for long articles: While I do understand that popular characters such as Naruto, Sasuke, and the like are demanded to have the most detail, pages such as these have rather slow loading times as compared to other articles. You are correct that unfortunately, users do feel the need to further stuff already long articles with pictures and such. --WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 00:38, January 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm optimistic that Kakashi and Sasuke can get under 100k. Which is still long, I guess, but a dramatic improvement. Sasuke's is currently 155K, yet about 45k of that is just the summary of events of chapters 580-700. Just the summary. As in, not counting whatever Personality and Abilities also happens in that time frame. Hell, his second-to-last quote is about 1.5k on its own. You take a generous axe to these two things and Sasuke's article becomes about the same size as Sakura's currently is.
 * Naruto's is a problem, though. Always will be. But I disagree with tabs or whatever else on principle. ~SnapperTo 01:00, January 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Even if the scrolling function were implemented, users could still edit it out, whether intentionally or unintentionally, just to place further additions to the long pages. An issue indeed. I do feel that edits like this, while in good-faith, further add more to the problem. It may be a minor edit, but let us say a thousand more users do those "minor edits" and that's part of what makes articles so long. A solution for this may indeed be... difficult to find, whether it be tabs, scrolling, taking out pictures, etc. An attempt to shorten Naruto's article was to take out the anime only arcs altogether as well, though that has not been too effective over the long-term...
 * --WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 01:04, January 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * First things first the content needs to be compressed, if I had my way. Naruto vs Sasuke's last fight was 4 paragraphs, and goes on to detail just about every move the two of them did. The rest of the article is just as stupid and this is repeated on just about every character's articles. None of that is needed. If we can do that, and make sure that actually sticks however would be a great benefit.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 01:17, January 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * I wholeheartedly agree. Naruto and Sasuke's second battle at the Valley of the End is the reason why I brought up this issue. For instance, in both of Naruto and Sasuke's articles, and I say this due to lack of better phraseology, they have been stuffed with every move they made in that fight and users are adding way too much stuff on top of that. Those "summaries" essentially cover every muscular movement Naruto and Sasuke seem to make towards each other. Also, users tend to have a fixation for the colored manga images and proceed to insert too many of them within articles describing Naruto and Sasuke's final fight. It is all quite unnecessary from my standpoint, and has to be shortened in some manner as a first step. Though, as SnapperTwo notified me on my talkpage, removing such images will only cause users to insert them back into the article. Another step taken was shortening introductions in various articles due to them having too much content to fulfill the purpose of them being simple summaries, though we have had to deal with users wanting to unnecessarily revise our contributions i.e., users adding more descriptions (and possibly spoiler content), links in the introductions, and so on. --WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 01:38, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

Continuing this conversation, I have noticed that in Naruto and Sasuke's articles, summaries that potentially lead to anime-only arcs have been removed. For instance, this in Naruto's article and this in Sasuke's (which is understandable). To further thin articles like these (such as Kakashi's, Sakura's, etc), would it not be valid to remove any paragraphs that sequentially start out with "In the anime, this happened" and attempt to leave links to them (if possible) to keep the consistency and further thin these articles? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 16:46, January 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * ^Never mind that, TheUltimateThree. We will find other ways to shorten long pages. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 00:12, January 17, 2015 (UTC)

Well then...
Those big bold letters on your user pages has me like... ಠ_ಠ Gotten quite tired of chat, have you not? And is there a User Banhammer template, or you just created that red link to annoy you-know-who? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 21:32, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

Star Wars
Hey, I saw you like Star Wars' version of canon, and I gotta ask you - what do you think about what happened to the EU on April 25, 2014? Do you hate it or like it (please say you hate it)? Gemnist (talk) 00:26, January 20, 2015 (UTC)Gemnist


 * THANK YOU!!! My optimistic guess is though: this is just a scam meant to avoid any plot details on the sequel trilogy, and soon everything that happened pre-Episode VI will be considered - by 2019 - and then the "Legends" covers will become collectible-level. All in a day's work to maintain a brand name. I was really hoping, though, that they're all one single universe. Gemnist (talk) 04:26, January 20, 2015 (UTC)Gemnist


 * Not sure if I explained myself well. I meant everything BEFORE Return of the Jedi, not after. After, we'll have to wait and see - unfortunately. Gemnist (talk) 16:39, January 20, 2015 (UTC)Gemnist

Scuffle: SuperSajuuk
Not to be rude, but I don't think you've really read it in context. And no, as a forum operator, it is my duty to moderate the forums, I am not going to just ignore Seelentau or I will be accused of "not doing my job". If he wants me to stop getting on my case, he does not need to resort to flames and abusive behaviour. If you hadn't noticed, I have not flamed him, swore at him, nor even used "Ad Hominem" towards him, yet somehow I'm in the wrong for being friendly and polite?

I would advise you contact other sysops and ask them to assess the situation, it feels incredibly biased in favour of letting Tau use his sysop flag as a way to get whatever he wants or be abusive to users for no reason. So Tau saying things like "I'm a failure of a moderator" and "I'm bitter for him being sysop" is not trolling behaviour? Good to know, I'll just be forwarding all of this to Wikia Staff as it seems like it's painfully obvious Dantman is too busy to care or notice his sysops going around contravening TOU: unlike what you claim, the TOU gets to override the wiki's local policies at any time, so they'll be agreeing with me as well on this matter. --Sajuuk talk 14:33, January 21, 2015 (UTC)


 * I have spoken to users on Central Wiki, including VSTF, who agree fully with me that Tau's behaviour is abusive. Telling Tau he can continue this not only damages the wiki's reputation, but is 100% contravening Wikia TOU, which you seem to not care for. Do you want to lose your rights as well for encouraging inappropriate and abusive behaviour? Your messages to me and Tau are being included in evidence which I am sending to Wikia for their involvement in this situation, as it seems you cannot keep yourself from encouraging everyone else to be as crass and as abusive as they want to me. --Sajuuk talk 15:20, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * The email hasn't been sent yet, I'm working on gathering evidence. I'll be including evidence of other sysops encouraging the behaviour in said email, so your message to Tau will be included. Even when I send it, I won't be making any screen captures of private conversations with Wikia Staff to the public. --Sajuuk talk 15:27, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * And no, you won't start removing my posts either. So you can desist that behaviour as well. --Sajuuk talk 15:30, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * You do not need to blank the replies. You can copy/paste from the source to a Notepad document and leave the replies as they should be. --Sajuuk talk 15:33, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * He did not break forum policy in any way. Saying just "owned" is not making a swipe at anyone, but writing messages like Seelentau did is making a clear swipe at someone and is a personal attack. --Sajuuk talk 15:42, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

Scuffle: Seelentau
Sorry if all this means any extra work for you. Wasn't my intention. But no, I'm not gonna change my ways. SuperSajuuk is a danger to this wiki and should be dealt with accordingly. It's simply not right that a normal user has all rights a sysop has, even though he was deemed unfit to be a sysop. I don't care about my own rank, as I said, but since you have way more experience in this, you should talk to Dantman. I tried and he didn't respond, so yeah. Please do something. • Seelentau 愛 議 17:11, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * I doubt that he'll ever change his behaviour as long as he isn't a sysop himself. And only the devil knows what he'll do then. • Seelentau 愛 議 17:20, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

six paths sage mode
hey mate...a user named kuroiraikou keeps changine the six paths sage mode article...& the small one in the six paths sage tech...wanted to talk him out of doing it but then thought U can be more effective... --DARK ZERO--talk 09:58, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

re: moval
Meh. I do not really feel the need to ask and wait, wait, wait for it to work. I will just be doing it manually in the meantime until I eventually get tired, and probably then I will ask for a bot. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 23:34, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Character Pages
Oh ok I understand it makes since now. Thanks for the help. AllstarUchiha (talk) 01:11, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

tailed beast genders
Question: why did you remove them?--Elve Talk Page 23:00, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * It didn't say they don't, either. This was discussed on the talkpage. Gyuki is a bull for example and bulls are male.--Elve Talk Page 23:39, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Tenseigan: Scattering Truth-Seeking Balls
Why did you revert the rename? Unless you can think of a name that includes Tenseigan and Truth-Seeking Ball AND that hints that there are multiple of those balls, rename appropriately. Not to be angry or anything, but you are reverting renames for no apparent reason.--Omojuze (talk) 13:03, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Plus, even though the name is longer, it perfectly captures what is happening in the technique. Unlike the previous name, an that what unnamed techniques should do.--Omojuze (talk) 13:04, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * He did in fact used black spheres. It shows that you haven't seen the movie yet. He even used 'em like a shield, similarly to Obito. In his normal spheres, he didn't use the truth-seeking balls.--Omojuze (talk) 14:42, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * a) I am not the one who created the page. b) The movie is already in the theaters, so there is a way to watch it without piracy. c) Nobody suggested you looking yourself. d) I am not accusing you of anything >.<--Omojuze (talk) 15:06, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Question: Then WHY do edits on material when you have no idea what happened/is happening?--Omojuze (talk) 15:21, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * I saw that. There is no way I could've known the difference, 'cause, as Suzaku said, they look exactly the same. Well, the original creator provided proof in the form of a link to a Youtube video where the entire movie is shown in 4 parts, so...--Omojuze (talk) 15:30, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * does this please 'ya now?--Omojuze (talk) 16:04, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Impressive
Congratulations. You are the sole user that has received at least 20 kudos on one comment. I guess people really like you and your opinions. (Not much of an honor, I know, but it was something I just happened to notice.) -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 02:48, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Congrats TU3, that is indeed something. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 02:51, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Location/Village infoboxes
Hey I just started a discussion of a possibility to integrate infoboxes for locations and or villages and I was wondering what you think of it. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 20:43, February 1, 2015 (UTC)

Founder of Narutopedia
Thanks Sasuke79 (talk) 17:53, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

KKM
Okay, so you just classified the Byakugan as a KKM due to Kaguya only being listed as a KKM user, making all of Kaguya's techniques KKM. Since Hagoromo is the same case as his mother, only being listed as a KKM and not a KKG user and thereby his Rinnegan is a KKM too, wouldn't that mean his TSB (and the rest of his techniques) are KKM as well? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 21:58, February 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, as I said, it only listed Hagoromo as a KKM user and not a KKG user. And you're right, we don't have bloody clue what it is. But yeah, doesn't him being listed as only a KKM user mean anything? I think it does mean that all of his techniques are KKM, being listed as one and all... -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 22:09, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

Thread:162690
Considering this comment you made, may I have your opinion in this thread? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 23:23, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Tenseigan (Energy Vessel)
TheUltimateThree, it was referred to as the Tenseigan as well in the movie, not the "Energy Vessel." And "Tenseigan (Energy Vessel)" is distinguishable enough. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 23:57, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Naruto's Six Paths Sage Mode
I really don't want to be involved in that guy's antics. What do you want to know? The databook article doesn't mention the tailed beasts at all, it just says that it's a gift from the Rikudo Sennin. Also, he was in that mode when he kicked the Gudodama, not in normal Sage Mode or in Kurama Mode, if that's of importance. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:05, February 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * Here. And I agree with both of you, I don't even want to dignify that guy's statements with a response.
 * -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 15:34, February 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not true. • Seelentau 愛 議 16:52, February 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * I have the physical copy and a high quality digital copy, there's no blurry text for me. So yeah, the other one. :D • Seelentau 愛 議 18:44, February 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * I did, but I have no idea where else it is mentioned (or where that information came from). • Seelentau 愛 議 18:57, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

Infobox Pictures
Hi I have another question about character pages. Would it be alright if the info boxes had how they looked in The Last? Because every character page has how they look like in Part 1, Part 2, and rhe Epilogue, but I think a pic of how they looked in The Last should be added because all of them have a different appearance. AllstarUchiha (talk) 23:38, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

WoW
As a fellow Azerothian, I'd like to know your opinion on the overall state of the game as it is now. Do you think of quitting? Or do you enjoy WoD? And how would you rank all the expansions, from best to worst? My ranking goes:
 * 1) Wrath of The Lich King (The golden age, highest number of subscribers. Northrend is an environmentally stunning continent that has the best lore&story yet with fitting soundtrack accompanying it all, dungeons&raids well designed.)
 * 2) Mists of Pandaria ("WoW 2.0" essentially, worked out more or less, everything except Pandas was great about it ironically.)
 * 3) Cataslysm (Epic start, anticlimactic ending expansion. Let's level 10 alts before the novelty wears off.)
 * 4) The Burning Crusade (There's a group which says TBC > WOTLK, but in my opinion it was a "Let's patch what was wrong with Vanilla and make iconic characters from Warcraft III into villains for no apparent reasons besides the cool factor" expansion.)
 * 5) Warlords of Draenor (The unfulfilled promises/false marketing expansion.)
 * 6) Vanilla.--Elve  Talk Page 22:43, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

It's cool, I hope it gets better. And well, that's the thing. The Garrison was great at first but has become a mandatory chore and it killed professions. Who needs herbalism? Everyone has a garden. Who needs mining? Everyone has a mine. Hell primary professions too from followers. Not to mention Enchanting and Jewelcrafting have been greatly reduced to fewer slots and "perks" of Blacksmithing, Tailoring and so on are gone too. Also the only thing gold is for now are Savage Blood and mounts.

Since daily quest hubs have been removed, reputations are a grind... kill 10 000 mobs to get exalted, fun. And that's the thing - you are in the world until you hit 100, but once you do, there's no reasons. Hidden treasures and rares drop equipment inferior to heroic dungeons, raids, invasions and follower missions. So while the experience from 90 to 100 was great, one of the best, there's simply not much to do at 100. The endgame consists of garrison chores, 2 raids. For those who do PvP queuing for Ashran. For those who care about achievements, grinding for reputations with no rewards besides a follower. And optionally pet battles for those who like Pokemon.

Hopefully 6.2 gives me a reason to come back. I had much more fun and more things to do in MoP. And I'm glad you agree about WotLK, I miss it T_T For WoD, even though it has the lore, the actual stories are half-assed. It was obviously rushed so they could launch it in November. What they did with Orgrim has no excuse ._.--Elve Talk Page 10:36, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

They might as well remove the professions completely at this point, the very few enchants and gems make little difference. Also removing mandatory stats (Hit, Expertise and so on) while adding the new stats makes the removal of Reforging bizarre, it would have been more usable than ever now. For hubs, the only differences between them and no daily hubs is that the former gives you x reason to kill y mobs in location z, while in WoD you aren't told killing which mobs and where gives you reputation for which faction and since there's no quest telling you to do so, there's less volition to partake in such an activity. So the removal of dailies hasn't solved anything only worsened it.

Also I don't get why people hated dailies. Well, some of them I do, but dailies like Cataclysm's Molten Front or Mists of Pandaria's Landfall were superb, some of the best in WoW. The way I see it:
 * 1) People complain that they "must" do x
 * 2) Blizzard removes x
 * 3) People suddenly complain that Blizzard removed the x and that there's nothing to do now

For the rest, don't tell me that by "the best new character of the expac" you mean Joan of Argus.--Elve Talk Page 12:18, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Now that you talk Draenei and Velen, it was the dumbest idea ever to make him do something in WoD and eventually sacrifice himself. But guess what, it doesn't freaking count, cause it wasn't our Velen, who still does shit but sits in Exodar, but AU past Velen lol. There was really no reason to make another one and let him die if Blizzard ain't gonna do a thing with our Velen, so they might have as well killed him.

And I don't see anything special about Yrel. The best of her character so far has been the hentai pic of her getting pounded by "daddy Blackhand" Originally, she was supposed to be Velen's niece and Maraad's love interest, but Feminists were complaining that "a woman doesn't need no man" so Blizzard scrapped her and Maraad having been in love and possibly her being Velen's niece as well. I hope not though, since it's been suggested that Kil'jaeden is Velen's brother, if that's true, then that would make Yrel Kil'jaeden's daugher, THAT would be some interesting plot development and twist. I hope they go that route.

And I agree. It's one thing listening to your fans, but another to dance according to a minority's command. Blizzard only listens to the loudest, never content always complaining group of nerds.


 * Fat Alliance neckbeard: "Warlords of Draenor is just another Orc Expansion, change that else I'm cancelling my sub!"
 * 1) "Blizzard reworks Gorground, removes Orgrim Doomhammer's storyline and character development, reduces him to a minute cameo in Talador and shits on his head"
 * 2) Fat alliance nerd: "Hahaha, there ya go Horde faggets"
 * 3) Blizzard: "See? We listen to our fans!"


 * But the dumbest one ever was:
 * 1) "Waa waa waaa, I can play WoW only at night when I can't see the environment and mobs, I'm also an adult who's afraid of the dark, so do something Blizz or else I will crap my underwear and unsubscribe"
 * 2) Meeting at Blizzard: "We are rapidly losing subs, what do we do? We must act quickly!"
 * 3) An employee: "(sarcastic remark) I know, lets listen to the crybabies and remove the day/night time cycle, haha..."
 * 4) Derpy Colleagues: "(taken seriously) Brilliant! We are going to be richer than ever, muhahahaha!"

--Elve Talk Page 15:22, February 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Some months later, nerds cry that the day/night cycle was removed and demand its comeback, threatening with cancellation of their subscription otherwise:
 * 1) Blizzard responds: "To satisfy both parties, we are bringing nights but only in 1/4 of Azeroth's zones and in 2 Draenor zones!"

I wonder what's up with the forehead thingy he gave her tho. Well, this time around, Varian stayed back on our Azeroth and "you" are essentially supposed to be the hero/commander whoever. The Alliance has more heroes and otherwise than just Varian, though. Tirion Fordring was heavily featured in WotLK, Thrall or rather "Go'el" was heavily featured in Cata (oh wait, he is Horde, or is he?) and hey, in MoP Varian's son Anduin had more appearances than his father, so as you can see, it's not all just about Varian ; D

And dunno, love and revenge for the loss of it are strong motivations, rather than just: "I'm a mere priestess with no combat experience, that can become a top-class Paladin in just a few days with no explanation whatsoever, because I believe in myself." Not to mention I think Maraad deserved better, should have at least gotten some pussy, but nope, he went back into the past from which he had escaped only to get killed by an orc. His should have been a more of a redemption story, because if you have seen Lords of War last episode, he kinda had messed up and lived with regret. Not sure if dying to protect Yrel did him justice, but if they had been in love, maybe it would have more.

And what do you mean by Tyrande? Malfurion was sleeping in the Emerald Dream for thousands of years, she did just fine all that time by herself and was especially badass in Warcraft III. She is no way dependent on him.

Gorground was originally supposed to heavily feature Orgrim Doomhammer and depict his transformation from a bad guy into a good one, but Alliance alpha/beta testers complained about WoD "featuring too many orcs" (duh, it's Draenor biatch) so Gorground got reworked into its current form, plants vs fungi, hence the mess that's Orgrim's short appearance in Talador, after the cut storyline they simply put him there for the sake of it I guess.

And I disagree about MoP being Horde focused. There were Varian and Anduin, LOTS of Jaina as well. Not to mention if freaking escalated with the Alliance raiding Orgrimmar.--Elve Talk Page 17:05, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

We may continue once I return from my extended walk that I gotta take so I don't become a pig after eating all that meat and candies.--Elve Talk Page 19:21, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, so my extended walk has run short somewhat, cause I'm lazy. So: Correction, when this is all over, she will be the full on leader of the AU past Draenei, meaning she will be completely irrelevant in the next expansion pack, since we are likely not going to stay in that time and universe, so much for a new Alliance hero. And I know my lore pal. The Argent Crusade is still more Alliance-friendly though, since they kinda hate the Undead. And by this Tirion ain't Alliance logic, Thrall ain't Horde either, since he isn't the Warchief anymore and he is kinda a Human-lover. Talk about Stockholm syndrome.

Gorgrond, there's this piece of trivia it has no reference, but that's what people say on forums, so shrugs.

A few questions:
 * 1) What do you predict to come after WoD?
 * 2) What would you do if you were in Blizzard seat?

This was supposed to be much longer but I forgot a half of it.--Elve Talk Page 20:48, February 23, 2015 (UTC)