Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20171113213649/@comment-27924662-20171116185409

Ninjachris wrote: Your question doesn't make sense since we're talking about base hokage naruto, KCM is really overkill for itachi, and again we do not know what speed tech naruto used and even if it was body flicker it his highly likely that naruto improved it over the years like he has always done with his techs. Can you improve a jutsu maybe. But a basic one like Shadow clone or Body flicker is less likely to be improved. Timing, Mastery Yes you can improve it but jutsu by itself its unlikely. Also this is riding on an assumption that Naruto made some progress on those areas. I didn't Say Hokage Naruto using KCM, I said What is Base Naruto's speed? Is it equal to Shippuden Naruto's KCM. Because that's quite hard to believe. That would imply Naruto is fastest Ninja in Base, Even the Raikage can't claim something like that. Ninjachris wrote: And I don't know how in the world you can compare a ashura (body of the SOSP) to sm kabuto that's laughable. His vitality/healing is near hashi, and naruto is the closest thing to hashi/ashura. Why don't we talk about itachi's durability it's basically fodder level before naruto's attacks. Is it? Kabuto has probably best healing. He has hashi's cells, Jugo, Orochimaru and Karin's Powers still think My estimate is way off? Ninjachris wrote: Naruto isn't getting caught in any genjutsu from itachi sorry, not with his superior speed, sensory abilities and experience fighting way superior wielders. Well Itachi did keep up with KCM naruto quite easily. So I don't think its quite the advantage Naruto has there. Ninjachris wrote: Again naruto isn't most ninjas thought that was an established fact even Without KCM a paper bomb isn't going to harm the ashura reincarnate. When naruto was in his infancy stage of learning SM he fell stories unto a pointed rock and it didn't scratch him, what is a paper bomb supposed to do to a matured naruto whose mastery of SM exceeds his predecessors that's an illogical argument. SM Naruto surviving paper bomb is believable, But Base not so much. Without some kind of Armor or Chakra protecting ninja it would be quite hard to believe. Also Just so you know Edo Hashirama and Tobirama's body were blown up with paper bomb which means it is fatal for base ninjas. To be very Honest I think Naruto might have improved Genjutsu weakness. In fact in all my statements I haven't accounted for the frogs. Having said that I think Naruto should take it mid difficulty AsianReaper wrote: Lol what? At best equivalent of SM Kabuto? Naruto created and threw a Rasenshuriken in midair with no clones, one hand, and not even SM. Overall, Naruto as a Hokage is just too powerful for Itachi. Where would you put Sage mode Naruto than? His Senjutsu can't better than Kabuto. Rasenshuriken feat is really good but no way do we know how much naruto has improved in Genjutsu?