Talk:Byakugan

Genjutsu
Where was it ever said in the manga or databooks that Byakugan could see through genjutsu? Yahyanime (talk) 11:31, May 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * When Obito fought the Eight Man Squad, Hinata said Obito's phasing wasn't genjutsu. Ao recognised that Yagura was under genjutsu as well, which is why he was suspicious during the Five Kage Summit. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:11, May 9, 2014 (UTC)

Extending Genjutsu
So far I've heard several people reference this wiki page as though it was proof that using byakugan and sharingan together could extend the visual genjutsu. So, I checked the reference (page 9 of chapter 671) as well as all other points in the manga where Kaguya shows up/sharingan genjutsu is used. There were several translations for the reference shown, but in the end it simply states that she had both doujutsu and used both their powers to devastate people. There is no note of using the byakugan to apply the sharingan genjutsu whatsoever. There is no instance within the manga where she does so without it being stated, either.

The reference in question states "(It won't let me put the japanese here because it says it's profanity) " which means "Mother had not only the byakugan's power, but also the sharingan's." This is followed by "Douryoku wo tsukai sono jutsu wo tami he to muketa koto mo aru seisan na jutsu de atta" which means "Using her eye's powers she turned a nation of people with the technique. It was a terrible technique." Now, it was a popular fan theory beforehand that Kaguya used the byakugan to apply the mugentsukiyomi so when this was stated there were probably people who took this theory for fact. But nowhere does it state she applied the technique with byakugan nor are there any other points in the manga where she uses byakugan to apply a sharingan genjutsu. Until that happens, stating this on the wiki is just speculation and should be removed. Jake3104 (talk) 21:34, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's a popular assumption about how she managed to cast it on larger scale--Elveonora (talk) 21:43, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * I haven't heard anyone claim this. However, if I had to guess I would think that it hails from Hinata extending Ino's soul swapping range. Don't know how people would think that applies to Sharingan genjutsu, which requires the victim to see the caster's eyes.--CyberianGinseng 15:59, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * Is any of this mentioned in this, or any article on the site? --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 16:05, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
 * It states on the Byakugan page that Byakugan can be used to extend the range of the sharingan genjutsu as shown by Kaguya. It references chapter 671, page 9. I'm trying to get it removed, but people keep putting it back.--Jake3104 (talk) 20:33, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

User and Jutsu
Shouldn't Hamura's right-hand man be added as a user, considering his own page lists him as a Byakugan wielder?

Also, shouldn't Twin Lions Crumbling Attack & Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack be added to the list of jutsus?Yahyanime (talk) 16:40, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

bumping this, someone please reply Yahyanime (talk) 15:09, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

bump again Yahyanime (talk) 16:26, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

You see this?
http://www.leafninja.com/hyuuga.php that looks pretty good, maybe our SVG should be changed to resemble this one but better ItachiWasAHero (talk) 08:11, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * i don't know about that, but I don't think or not sure we should change the SVG Kunoichi101 (talk) 08:22, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

These are ripped from the Ninja Storm Games, two different variations..

Skinny Byakugan https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t34.0-12/11638103_1621988781374230_260618627_n.jpg?oh=b8761c800fea82d1752cff56b78d78e6&oe=55884083

Wide Byakugan https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/11651257_1621989241374184_617556168_n.jpg?oh=a8eb1494531587a0620d844bc540b2a8&oe=5587690B

Our image should be closer to one of these don't you think since these are official?? QuakingStar (talk) 20:07, June 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * Dunno, can't see them. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:11, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Fixed the problem QuakingStar (talk) 20:27, June 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * The eye is supposed to be white, not a light shade of purple (the anime colours it incorrectly), so the current one is closer to the original.--Omojuze (talk) 20:43, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be classified as...
Both a Kekkei Genkai and a Kekkei Mora? Instead of one or the other, why not list both?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 08:21, March 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Scroll down to the bottom of the page, look for the word "Categories," and tell me what you see. (Hint: It already is classified as both, if you go to the Kekkei Genkai and Kekkei Mōra pages, you'll find Byakugan both there). It's just that adding "Kekkei Genkai, Kekkei Mōra" in the infobox creates a broken template, so just leave the infobox as it is. But like I said, scroll down to the bottom of the article.
 * 11:43, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

Uzumaki Clan
Might as well start it. Himawari has the Byakugan and thus Boruto most likely has the potential to as well. Thus shouldn't we be adding the Uzumaki to the affiliated clans list? We might as well given it's in the family and Kishi clearly wanted them to have it so much he gave Himawari's blue eyes the Byakugan. Shock Dragoon (talk) 22:04, August 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think so Omni was right, it isn't associated with the Uzumaki clan, they aren't know for the Kekkei Genkai yet, Kishimoto might change that in the Zai no Sho that's coming out tomorrow. And who knows Boruto might not ever awaken it.--Kuroiraikou (talk) 23:15, August 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think Omni is wrong we have Ōtsutsuki Clan as owners of Rinnegan and Sharingan with only one known wielder(and no DB references for clan) now for some reason this works another way for Uzumaki. So either way Uzumaki gets Byakugan or Ōtsutsuki loses Rinnegan and Sharingan. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 23:49, August 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, I was against listing Rinnegan and Sharingan for the Ōtsutsuki. I can understand the Rinnegan on "renown" basis because of Hagaromo, and the Sharingan because Indra already had it, and his pre-Uchiha descendants probably already had it as well, but if it was up to me alone, those wouldn't be listed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:00, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sharingan probably shouldn't be listed under Otsutsuki, Byakugan also should not be listed under Uzumaki--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 00:15, August 7, 2015 (UTC).
 * Looks like we're missing a definition on what actually should be added in that part of the infobox. • Seelentau 愛 議 00:18, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Basically, the standard we've previously been going off of was "Kekkei Genkai the clan is known for". That is why Wood Release shows up under Senju when Hashirama is the only known user of it.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol.svg (talk) 00:22, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, the Uzumaki clan definitely isn't known for their Byakugan, neither are the Otsutsuki known for any of their dojutsu. Hagoromo is known for his Rinnegan, but that's all. • Seelentau 愛 議 00:25, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Was under the impression that Kaguya's Rinneagan counted but whatever. Hell if you want to get technical, in series, the Otsutsuki aren't known at all, but their only important person, the Sage is known for the eyes so in my opinion that still counts (again similar to Hashirama and the Senju).--TheUltimate3 (talk) 00:29, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I get that. Kaguya's Rinne Sharingan doesn't count because it's not something you get by being part of her clan. The Sharingan is, though. And so is the Byakugan for the Uzumaki clan from now on, as it seems. Then again, maybe Boruto doesn't have it at all... • Seelentau 愛 議 00:33, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Eh, I'd probably remove the "Wood Release" classification in the infobox for the Senju clan and note it as a trivia point. As such, probably should remove things like the Rinne Sharingan from the Ōtsutsuki Clan and the Byakugan from the Uzumaki Clan to keep the consistency with the whole "It doesn't occur naturally in the clan" notion. 04:41, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

My opinion: appears more than once in the clan = gets listed.--Elve Talk Page 11:14, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Himawari is the first uzumaki to be born with this KG. Consistency. Yesterday I had added... --Sharingan91 (talk) 11:34, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think people forget that Naruto's family aren't the only existing Uzumaki. Karin is there too. It's like saying "Hey, add the Rinnegan, since Nagato had it" (And yes, I know he got it from Madara, but still...) It's like adding the Sharingan to Hatake Clan - not.worth.it.--Omojuze (talk) 11:39, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * You can't really compare those, though. There are people who got their dojutsu from outside (Kaguya, Ao, Kakashi, Nagato, Obito) and there are people who got it from inside (Hagoromo, Indora and yes, Himawari). • Seelentau 愛 議 11:44, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

My take on it all is, Nagato, Madara, Kakashi, Obito, none of them were BORN with those extra Dojutsu they attained or awakened it naturally for that matter. Sasuke's Rinnegan, Kakashi's Sharingan, Ao's Byakugan, they all attained it from an outside source. Himawari however (and Boruto too), was born with the potential to awaken it and look what happened, Himawari did. I think because she was born with the ability to awaken it naturally qualifies the Uzumaki to be listed here since like the Hyuga and Otsutsuki, the Uzumaki (or at least Naruto and Hinata's line) can naturally awaken it as well. Shock Dragoon (talk) 11:55, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * @Omojuze,It is correct not to include Boil, Magnet, Lava release in infobox Uzumaki clan, because Naruto isn't born with these KG, but he gets by Demons. But Himawari born with Byakugan and she is a member of Uzumaki Clan.--Sharingan91 (talk) 11:58, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Those are jinchuriki powers, unique to Naruto, that's why it isn't in the Uzumaki clan's page. We haven't seen any hint that those have been inherited by the Uzumaki Siblings unlike the Byakugan. Kishi said he meant to give it to them and it looks like he's following through. Shock Dragoon (talk) 12:04, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Consider my proposal please: something that naturally appears more than once within a clan gets listed.--Elve Talk Page 13:01, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * With this your condition Ōtsutsuki Clan still will lose Rinnegan, Sharingan and Tenseigan. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 14:27, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree this is ridiculous. Himawari naturally has it, she's an Uzumaki, just add the Clan into the associated kekkei genkai box. Odds are we won't see Boruto awaken it anytime soon because Kishi wants a break so let's stop playing this game. The same convo will only be brought up again later. Shock Dragoon (talk) 14:51, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * @Rage, just the Sharingan. 2 Otsutsuki Rinnegan users, Hagoromo and Momoshiki. 2 Tenseigan users Hamura and Toneri, unless he doesn't count or something.--Elve Talk Page 14:54, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * No one's had an issue with Wood Release being listed on the Senju article despite it manifesting in only 1 member, so why is this any different? And unlike WR, this kekkei genkai can be passed on through the clan so im in favour of adding it. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 14:58, August 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * @Elve Tenseigan naturally occurs only to Hamura, Toneri got implant, Well and Momoshiki most likely has Rinnegan same way Kaguya has Rinne Sharingan - he is her peer after all, whis is not natural. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 15:13, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * If we agree, I propose to enter Uzumaki clan in infobox.--Sharingan91 (talk) 16:12, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * I, for once, agree with Elve on this one. Everyone forgets Karin. I'd understand if we got at least 2 Byakugan users, but nope.--Omojuze (talk) 16:17, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I think it's the most logical.--Elve Talk Page 16:21, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * @Omojuze, I don't understand what changes you. One, two, ten thousand, we have a uzumaki born with byakugan. Now this KG is also present in the Uzumaki clan. --Sharingan91 (talk) 16:24, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's not true. Just like Boruto doesn't have the Byakugan, Himawari's children might not have the Byakugan either... >.> It's all genetics, in Himawari's case, Hinata's genes were stronger than Naruto's.--Omojuze (talk) 16:27, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Exactly, once we get second Uzumaki with Byakugan, it will get listed.--Elve Talk Page 16:27, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * The KG manifested in 1 member and another member is called the Byakugan princess. That seems a good enough reason to add it. --Bio havik (talk) 16:29, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hinata did not originate in the Uzumaki Clan, so her abilities don't count. It's like saying: "Oh, Sakura's an Uchiha now. She activates Sharingan when?".--Omojuze (talk) 16:32, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Otsutsuki clan
You guys do realise that the Byakugan was never called a Kekkei Genkai of the Otsutsuki clan, right? It has also nothing to do with chakra, for them. Kaguya had it before she ate the fruit, the Shikis have it even though they never ate a fruit. It's basically their normal eyes and they don't need chakra to use it. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:33, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Is there anything proving that the Byakugan appeared before Kaguya ate the fruit? For all we know, Kaguya (and the rest of her clan) had pale lavender eyes and when she gained the ultimate chakra then her eyes turned into Byakugan.--JOA2021:36, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * The fourth databook says that she had the Byakugan before she ate the fruit. Also, the Shikis never ate the fruit and can use the Byakugan as well. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:42, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Shikis have chakra tho don't they? Also it probably became Byakugan (veins and magical powers) with chakra, before it was just pale eyes.--Elve Talk Page 21:54, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Even if the situation is weird with the Shikis, the rest of the clan on the moon did have the Byakugan, so you can't really say it's not a kekkei genkai that appears in the clan. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:29, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * The Shikis do have chakra somehow though, and can you show us an accurate translation of that part of the databook? Like what you did with the whole Hamura ancestry thing on his talk page? --Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 (talk) 00:57, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Here. Omni, what I meant is that it was normal for the clan to have those eyes. If it's normal, it's not an anomaly, right? • Seelentau 愛 議 11:52, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

It's most likely that pre-chakra "Byakugan" and chakra Byakugan aren't the same no? I mean, Byakugan uses chakra as far as we know ._.--Elve Talk Page 13:29, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Exactly. But she had it before she had chakra => she (and most likely her clan) can use the Byakugan without chakra. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:31, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

Uzumaki Clan Revisited
I think it's time we revisited this issue about the Uzumaki's being listed as users of this kekkei genkai. Look at how we list Otsutsuki as users of Sharingan and Mangekyo when only one uses them (Indra), which I support because the Otsutsuki are the progenitors of all these dojutsu. Also, we list the Dead Bone Pulse as the Kaguya's when only Kimimaro had it and no other Kaguya had it even saying the ability was extremely rare for them. Just seems like a double standard on this topic.

That being said, I move for the Uzumaki to be listed as "Associated clans" because Himawari, an Uzumaki, awakened the Byakugan NATURALLY like how Indra and Kimimaro did with their kekkei genkai. I think it warrants the move since she awakened it naturally unlike Kakashi who didn't get his Sharingan naturally. Shock Dragoon (talk) 01:34, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

Uzumaki Clan 3.0
Boruto has activated his Byakugan, as said previously is it time to list the Uzumaki Clan as one of users of the Byakugan Kekkei Genkai? Shock Dragoon (talk) 16:22, May 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * Who said that he activated it? It could be (and most likely is) an implant.--BerserkerPhantom (talk) 16:24, May 2, 2016 (UTC)
 * ...Really, an IMPLANT, remember even Hinata had activated one Byakugan in the past. The odds are much more in favor of, like Himawari his SISTER, Boruto having activated his own Byakugan which he has the potential to do so. Shock Dragoon (talk) 16:27, May 2, 2016 (UTC)


 * Boruto's right eye is identical to Mitsuki's eyes in Sage Transformation.--Sharingan91 (talk) 18:59, May 2, 2016 (UTC)

I want to point out that we don't know for sure that this is actually a Byakugan in Boruto's right eye. The pupil is no bigger than his left eye for one. And secondly, more importantly, there were no signs of bulging veins around it. For all we know for now, Boruto is simply blind in one eye.--Steveo920 (talk) 18:28, May 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * Firstly, if the eye was blind, Boruto would have no need of opening it during the battle, especially while weaving a handseal (i.e. the seal of confrontation) at the same time. Secondly, Byakugan's pupil doesn't have to be bigger than the regular one. And finally, how can we be so sure about the absence of the bulging veins if Boruto has a scar and a marking/CS on the corresponding side of his face? Ravenlot 27 (talk) 18:42, May 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * First, I am not saying I know better than you or anyone else outside the creative team of this sequel series. I am just saying that it hasn't officially been stated that his right eye is a Byakugan. Secondly, it has been established that generally, the Byakugan's iris (my mistake on saying pupils) are bigger than a normal eye. And two, bulging veins is the indicator that the Byakugan is activated. For all we know, the markings on his face indicate some kind of sage mode.--Steveo920 (talk) 18:48, May 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * For me the biggest issue is the lack of bulging veins. As seen with Ao, even transplanted Byakugan cause that. Sure, it could be that in the new art style, the veins don't show up, but that would require us seeing a known Byakugan user doing so. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:46, May 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * To be Honest the lack of veins could just be a) the artist style in general, I mean, he already makes everyone look WAY younger already or b) The Byakugan might not be 100% activated like in the middle of activation/focusing more on the marking growing and glowing blue. Either way, I feel it's safer to label it as a Byakugan for now because he's got more going for him in the "It's the Byakugan" which he has the genetics to awaken than not to be honest. Shock Dragoon (talk) 00:17, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

Well, general consensus has agreed to state Boruto has Byakugan and given one of the prerequisites for list Uzumaki clan here was Boruto getting Byakugan, it's time to add the Uzumaki clan to the associated clans list and to the Uzumaki clan page with an added trivia of "Uzumaki descending from Hinata Uzumaki have potential to awaken the Byakugan" or something like that. Shock Dragoon (talk) 13:56, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * Wait, we still don't know if Boruto's presumed Byakugan is his original eye (with Byakugan awakened via the Hyuga genes) or a transplanted one (the scar on the eye strongly implies that), so we can't say for sure that all NaruHina descendants have a potential to awaken it. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 14:02, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah but that was the original point against list Uzumaki here "Wait until Boruto gets it" and he has and about the NH Descendants having Byakugan potential, there are two NH kids, and BOTH now have Byakugan, that's more than what we've gone off before in this wiki, that's enough to list them now. Shock Dragoon (talk) 14:22, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
 * When Boruto is confirmed to have activated it naturally, it will be added. Now it's the same as adding Sharingan in the Hatake Clan article...--BerserkerPhantom (talk) 14:33, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

Seeing Fate
Shouldn't it be added that Momoshiki could also see the fate of others when using his? --J spencer93 (talk) 16:37, March 25, 2017 (UTC)

Rinnegan
Should the Rinnegan be added to the evolution section? Momoshiki, who possessed the Byakugan, was able to transform it into the Rinnegan.—Mina Țepeș 10:23, January 28, 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice any moment where Momoshiki evolved Byakugan into Rinnegan. If you're talking about Urashiki, he apparenlty could only switch between Byakugan and Rinnegan, which means they're still separate doujutsu. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 11:42, January 28, 2019 (UTC)
 * Um, I also oppose the whole evolution thing, where do people get this shit from? They are 2 separate doujutsu, just because someone can use 2 doujutsu, doesn't mean they are related to one another/stem from one another... this is exactly the same misconception as Rinnegan being evolution of Sharingan, which we sadly state to this very day.--Elve Talk Page 07:28, December 5, 2019 (UTC)
 * Bump--Elve Talk Page 12:56, December 7, 2019 (UTC)

Jumble
In regards to these edits (in case they're restored): those are not abilities. Any creature with functioning eyes and brain can do those same things. To elaborate: Speed is difficult to gauge in Naruto, so short of explicit statements about how fast something is - "It's too fast for me to follow" or "I could only see that thanks to my Sharingan" - speed shouldn't be used as a feat nearly as often as the wiki/fandom tends to. ~SnapperTo 09:30, September 2, 2020 (UTC)
 * Naruto chapter 100, page 18 - in this scene, Neji discovers that what he thought was the real Naruto is actually a shadow clone. He immediately turns around to the real Naruto attacking him from behind. This is not an ability. This is Neji demonstrating a basic understanding of how decoys work.
 * Naruto chapter 277, pages 18-19 - In this scene, Neji (with his Byakugan) sees chakra being concentrated within Deidara's body and realizes he's about to explode. This is not an ability. This is Neji using his Narutoverse knowledge of how chakra works, probably in combination with Deidara's previous promise to show them an explosion. The only ability on display here is Neji seeing chakra, which the article already details.
 * Naruto chapter 194, pages 13-14 - In this scene, Neji (with his Byakugan) sees attacks coming from all directions and defends himself with Revolving Heaven. To see all around him is an ability, one the article already discusses. But being able to recognize that incoming attacks should be defended against is not an ability.
 * Naruto chapter 104; Naruto chapter 638, pages 1-11; and Naruto chapter 195 - I don't know precisely what these references are meant to support, so I'll assume they're all supposed to prove the Byakugan can track high-speed movement. All of them are speculative:
 * In chapter 104, Naruto moves fast because of the Nine-Tails' chakra, but there's no indication he's so fast as to be impossible to see without special vision; people in the audience certainly don't seem to be having trouble.
 * In chapter 195, Kidomaru's attacks are fast, but there's no indication that they're faster than any other projectile that ninja in the series routinely dodge/block/catch.
 * In chapter 638, Hinata reports how Obito absorbed the Ten-Tails. One possible reason she's reporting this is because it happened too fast for others to see. A second possibility is that she's reporting this because everyone else was too far away to see; the Akimichi's stance a few panels earlier supports this. But since the wiki can't say for certain which was the real reason, it shouldn't present either reason.

Byakugan Boruto? (Boruto with à Byakugan?)
Should Boruto be listed as a Byakugan wielder? I know he hasn't actually awakened it (yet), but he gains a Byakugan in his right eye when Momoshiki posseses him through his Karma. What do you guys think?Darwin R. C. A. P. N. Watterson (talk) 20:11, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not his. It's Momoshiki's. It only activates when Momoshiki takes partial or full control of Boruto. -Ventillate { About Me | Message | My Work } 20:16, 31 January 2022 (UTC)