Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36019309-20190114073523/@comment-34656247-20190127225048

Ninja Of War wrote: From manga+databook: Itachi has the authority for that time period only to his knowledge, through the use of the literal entry from the databook.

If you want to argue about the use of the word "Concurrently" that is fine. My issue was Itachi limiting others with assumed authority, which I have shown is not true. I accept your point, it was fair enough, What i get is 'itachi didn't survey the planet yet he went on to make such a statement. But then they went on to show us that Itachi's statement can actually be true when they use a prodigious ninja, a master of arts as a guinea pig, he could'nt break it even with skills or the sharingan, and even after years later Kakashi still stated that there was nothing that one can do against that jutsu, hence proving Itachi right even years after, well for that specific ninja and others below him. Then we have guys like Danzou, Killer Bee, Ay, Orochimaru ..pretty top tier dudes all getting screwed/tricked by basic genjutsu further in the timeline, needless to say what tsukuyomi will do. That leaves guys like Hashirama who we know nothing about genjutsu wise. But it's safe to say anyone (except elite uchiha and elite uchiha related characters ofc) below Hashirama get's stomped by Tsukuyomi based on showings. Then now Itachi's statement was later contradicted when super characters like the otsutsuki's were introduced hence proving you right based on what exactly though? they're strong? they have jutsu's of high attack potency? that means they can't be beaten? lol reverse sexy jutsu worked on Kaguya so that logic is now irrelevant, we can add Hashirama to this as well....not that i said you said anything like that or anything.

Now regarding my version of the use of the word 'concurrently' kindly point out the flaws in this opinion.>>>
 * the use of concurrently (meanings: At the same time/Simultaneously) refers to the very few first lines of the writer speaking about sharingan needing to cast tsukuyomi and it also being the jutsu's weakness. To put it simply "The Sharingan is needed to cast tsukuyomi, at the same time the jutsu can be broken also by the sharingan" is how i see it

JamesSenpai wrote: The fact you already gave that argument saying Bee wouldn't create a Genjutsu counter cause of Gyuki, shows we have been talking about Genjutsu in this subject. And no it don't work like that. To think someone is exactly the same as they were after over 10 years pass is not only idiotic but blind. That's the equivalent of saying Future Boruto is exactly the same as current Boruto. Pure shit. Tsukuyomi is a genjutsu...... Except your comparison is a little off, Killer Bee is an adult and already experienced and way powerful and to say that Bee would just sit and decide to learn how to break genjutsu is so not like the character...i bet gyuki would be laughing and field offended at that point, the dude is a swordsman what do swordsman improve in? ask suigetsu,& zoro... WhereaS. Boruto is a kid and will have to definitely improve..as did every kid... This argument is pointless, to our knowledge has can't break tsukuyomi case closed.

Again you would have to argue with that with War. On it.

Bruh do you argue to argue or something? 23 hours ago you literally said i been only saying (only) Uchihas can break Tsukuyomi. Which was clearly a lie because just four days ago you quoted me saying Nice try. You got caught in a lie. I obviously never said only Uchiha could break it once me and War established that possibility in our debate. So quit feigning ignorance. Honestly im lost on this one..take the win,

Except your thesis has a major flaw. Kishimoto and Itachi's word. They said an Elite Uchiha can break it. They didn't say without time dilation. They said Tsukuyomi. What is Tsukuyomi? A Genjutsu that Itachi controls which he can manipulate even the perception of time. That means an elite uchiha can break what is Tsukuyomi, including it's time dilation, since time dilation is a component that makes Tsukuyomi, Tsukuyomi. I don't understand what's so hard to grasp about that. Please look at the title of the post. Even after stating the stuffs about the elite uchihas capable of breaking tsukuyomi it still wents on say this '''The phenomena that happen inside of the mental realm are entirely the caster's to command. Which is to say, the images shown or the actions taken can be changed according to the opponent in order to yield maximum efficiency.''' to yeild maximum efficiency.....even on the uchiha's? hmmmm

You had already said what Kakashi said. I never denied it. No one denied it. So there was no reason to post something irrelevent that everyone already knew. What they didn't know was Asuma's true statement which you left out. Oh boy..so it's a consensus that Kakashi's statement is well known and proved tsukuyomi to be faster compared to Asuma's statement. But you then went to use asuma's statement which at that time you were saying this *'''But it happens in a matter of seconds as shown in the series and said on the Tsukuyomi page. If a second or two passes, it isn't instant'''...convenience. Then this . Except that's not the word we are debating about. I'm starting to see a pattern on how you don't even know what the debate is about. We were originally talking about Kakashi stating instantly to describe the illusion of Tsukuyomi or to describe the casting of Tsukuyomi. I'm pretty sure it was you, who said it was about the illusion transpiring instantly. I said it was about the casting itself. Instantly happens immediately which means at once without any intervening time or space. That means at 0 seconds. You have not proved it happens at 0 seconds, you actually have been proving yourself wrong. Except the shippuden statement made by kakashi is not what i was talking about, that argument was dead. The word moment, further translated to instant is what we were talking about. Show me a screenshot of instant meaning 0.00 seconds loll.
 * Also, this shows everything we need to know [1] A Viz scan. Only a second had passed. So it isn't instant...i rest my case.