Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-46828725-20200910033310/@comment-46817411-20200920070205

BloodOfTheArchon wrote: LMAO. I can't believe you actually typed that nonsense JamesSenpai and Sy6up. You completely ignore context and story for the characters. EMS Madara was not on Hashirama's level, Hashirama fought him plus Kurama and Madara knew he would die so he sealed Izanagi in one of his eyes set to activate after death. You know why?? Because again he knew he wasn't on Hashirama's level. EMS Madara is Tobirama level at best considering Tobirama killed Izuna and MS Madara was Izuna level. It goes Manga and then DB4 with contradictions being an issue. You also fail to notice that Itachi was holding back and never intending to kill anybody for the battles we see him in. He only had 2 goals in life, die from fighting Sasuke(his disease killed him anyway) in order to get Sasuke his MS, and remove the Curse Mark from Sasuke. He did both. As an Edo he had 3 goals, release Edo Tensei, Protect Sasuke, and save Kabuto. He did all 3. Itachi is 100% competent fighting people with more destructive ability and chakra than him. Edo Nagato, Killer B, KCM Naruto, Sage Mode Kabuto for example have more chakra and more destucive ability than him but was that an issue for him? even being controlled by Kabuto the answer is no. You are also mistaking my argument, I am not saying Itachi will win more than Madara would win. I give this 4 out of 10 for Itachi and 6 out of 10 for EMS Madara. Why? Itachi in life acquired a terminal illness after leaving Konoha and therefor had lower chakra reserves because of it, he also did not have EMS so his MS techs took a toll on him. Madara has shown nothing speed, taijutsu or genjutsu wise to outclass Itachi, while Itachi has shown better overall feats in those manners. Itachi has SoT which all it needs to do is cut or stab Madara once and he is done. In the end I think EMS Madara 6 out of 10 times would realize Itachi was sick and it was essentially a beat the clock game so he would just try to survive and stay away from Itachi whenever he wasn't on the attack himself. Itachi would die in the end anyway. While Itachi would win 4 out of 10 times with Genjutsu feints, Crow and Bomb Clones, Tsukuyomi and SoT. Now an Itachi without the sickness and full health? I think he could win this 6 out of 10 times, he is basically the Uchiha Minato with his intelligence and sharp thinking. You guys like to take your favoritism and turn every vs battle into "I like this person better so theres noo wayyyy that other person could win" and thats some narrow, childish thinking.

Madara didn't actually intend to die. He intended to win. Zetsu even thought he had to rethink his entire plan when Madara lost. I'm pretty sure he used Izanagi as a last resort in case he lost the fight.

He was confident in fighting Naruto and Bee because for 1, he was an Edo Tensei. Unlimited Chakra and Stamina and nearly instant Regen.

Madara has shown to have greater speed than Itachi and while we rarely ever see him use Genjutsu, that doesn't mean he's bad at it. Obito was able to do some Kotoamatsukami level Genjutsu despite not having Shisui's eyes. And Madara trained Obito for a majority of Obito's life.

He's been shown to practically no diff thousands of shinobi all at once. And that wasn't Kabuto controlling him. That was all himself.

The Totsuka Blade actually HAS to stab someone and it has to stab the core. If what I said wasn't true then when Itachi cut the head off the snake it would've just sealed immediately. And he also could've just stabbed one of the snakes but he waited until Orochimaru came out to stab and seal him. Plus I don't even think he's gonna get that chance when fighting someone as aggressive as Madara.

About the genjutsu, Sasuke was going toe-to-toe with Itachi who only had 3 tomoe at that point in genjutsu. There's no reason why Madara can't do the same. Bomb Clones? He's been hit by Hashirama who could deal out more damage and more taxing hits than Itachi multiple times. Tsukuyomi can be broken out of as stated by Itachi himself.