Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20160126181655/@comment-26773508-20160320075603

MIGshinobi wrote: @Baku, except the raikage didn't keep up with minato, it was bee who saved him. The raikage blitzed minato purely out of ego, minato casually let the raikage close the distance, and nearly punished the raikage for that poor decision. He was very close to Minato's speed. He got his ass handed down to him, but he was very, very close to Minato's speed indeed. It's no use denying that. Worse, you assume the Raikage will end up with the same result against Itachi. Minato has been hyped up to be one of the fastest shinobi in history, if not the fastest. Itachi has some speed hype but nowhere near that level. Failing to blitz an FTG master doesn't mean failure to blitz Itachi. Itachi is an entire tier lower to Minato in speed, thanks to FTG. And it was FTG that gave Minato the edge against the Raikage.

Saying the raikage won't be disoriented after charging at sonic speed into a big explosion into it is pure bias. No it's not bias. It's a well-founded conclusion based on the feats of both the Raikage and the Exploding Clone Technique. The explosion isn't big at all, and the Raikage easily tanked NTCM Naruto's Rasenshuriken with shallow scratches. In order to disorient the Raikage, his body must be subjected to enough force to forcefully dislodge him from his path, or his eyes should be obscured with smoke or debris.

The force produced by Itachi's exploding clone isn't even going to budge the Raikage by a millimeter, forget about appreciably disorienting him. And he'll be moving too fast for any appreciable debris to latch on to his eyes.

There might be an argument if Itachi detonates his clone well before the Raikage hits him. That might blur a portion of the Raikage's field of vision for like a second. And Itachi would lose the element of surprise if he detonated before the Raikage hit the clone. Plus the shockwave of the explosion, insignificant as it is compared to the Raikage's tanking ability, will not hit the Raikage as forcefully as it would if Itachi were to explode when the Raikage is in point-blank range. But like I've already explained above, whether the clone explodes in point-blank range or not doesn't matter much in terms of the shockwave, since the Raikage eats shockwaves like that for breakfast.

The only advantage exploding a clone well before the Raikage hits it is that it might blur a portion of the Raikage's field of vision, which will give Itachi an extra second to do something. But on the flipside, the explosion will blur a portion of Itachi's field of vision too, since Raikage's speed will prevent Itachi from moving far away from his clone. As fast as Itachi's handseals are, the Raikage's attack is at least equally fast, if not more. Itachi will have his hands full, and hence will not have an easy time doing the bunshin feints you're conjuring up.

The raikage dodged rasenshuriken because he SAW it coming. And even then, using careful misdirection naruto landed his attack on the supposedly untouchable raikage. Nobody here is saying that the Raikage is untouchable. We're merely claiming that he's 'difficult to touch. And even if he is touched, we're claiming that he won't be harmed in the slightest bit by most of Itachi's attack, except for Amaterasu and Totsuka Blade. But it's going to be super difficult to Amaterasu the Raikage's ass, since not only is he a moving target, but he's a moving target that moves very, very fast. Fast enough to blitz Itachi if he loses focus for a second and doesn't have the Susanoo to protect him.

Itachi's fighting style involves overlaying multiple sneak attacks at once, just watch his fight with kakashi in part one. Yes because the Raikage and Kakashi are sooooo comparable, the former is known as the strongest Raikage in history, while the latter is known as the weakest Hokage in history.

Well I'll put aside the sarcasm and give a clearer logic which has been repeated by me and others a hundred times already: The Raikage is too fast for Itachi to effectively come up with multi-layered sneak attacks. Itachi is definitely capable of eventually coming up with an attack, but it's not gonna happen against the Raikage in the beginning of the battle, and it's gonna take a lot of hit and miss strategies to come up with that.

But one "miss" could potentially end Itachi's life in an instant. So Itachi will inevitably use his Susanoo. And that will limit his abilities to sneak up considerably, thanks to the pain Susanoo causes. And once Itachi starts using the Susanoo, it's a downhill battle for Itachi if he doesn't finish the Raikage quickly.

The third raikage is average intelligence because he was only known for his spear and shield. You guys can claim he has " kage level intelligence"all you want, he has zero intelligence hype and feats, and there is more than enough evidence that itachi is smarter and wiser. Without doubt, Itachi's intelligence hype and feats are above the Raikage. But the rest of us are not convinced it's enough to secure a victory against the Raikage. Because Itachi will have his hands full dodging the Raikage, so it will be very difficult for him to come up with effective plans quickly.

Then look at itachi vs kisame Please don't bring game-only OVAs into the discussion.

Referencing sasuke is pointless because he didn't even make one attempt to trick the raikage Nobody is referencing Sasuke with respect to intelligence. I'm referencing Sasuke to gauge Itachi's stamina while using SUSANOO. And like I said, if an Indra-transmigrant struggled to keep Susanoo activated for a prolonged period of time, then no way in hell is Itachi going to do that either, whether he is healthy or not.

there is no evidence of how he would fair against itachi's lower tier genjustu considering his son was one shotted by madara's regular sharingan genjustu, who is not as good a specialist as itachi From the looks of it, it was Genjutsu:MS, not Genjutsu: Sharingan. Also, Edo Madara was an overwhelming MONSTER of strength and power, which is why the 4th Ay wasn't running around trying to blitz Madara, because Edo Madara was a monstrous tank while 4th Ay was a mini-jeep in comparison. His slower speed meant that Madara had enough reaction time to one-shot Ay with Genjutsu: MS.

Itachi is nothing like Edo Madara in terms of destructive power. Not even close. So the 3rd Ay has the luxury of blitzing around and going here and there casually avoiding Itachi's attacks, which drastically reduces his chances of establishing eye contact with Itachi.

the third's armor is irrevelant because itachi has 2-3 jutsu that one shot Except Itachi's gonna have a very, very, VERY hard time one-shotting the Raikage, thanks to his speed, stamina, reflexes and his tank of a body. Itachi, on the other hand, is much slower and has far far less stamina: a fact you conveniently choose to ignore, over and over again.

The raikage does have a decent chance to win but let's stop with the myths. ITACHI is the myth, NOT the Raikage.