Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20180630055746/@comment-33286580-20180701143744

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Orochimaru, Itachi, Kakashi, Sasuke ......cough!

i see them as genius. but i think that Minato is the greatest prodigy or genius.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Completely denying itachi as a genius makes me wonder....what's wrong you you O____O

i am not completely denying him as a genius. i am just stating that there are more genius and prodigious shinobi than him.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Exactly, awakening it has nothing here, but the mastery over it does.he mastered it in the same year after awakening i belive.

didnt i mention that he mastered Genjutsu myself and he probably was unrivalled.

i was just stating the fact that just awakening Sharingan does not make you a prodigy. a mere point that somehow seems to be used to make Itachi great since he awakened it early in his life.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

If you're gonna deny that then Kakashi graduating so early would seem like nonsense then. Besides Itachi would've graduated much earlier but had to face a few drawbacks...his sensei denying his team because itachi's teammates were'nt ready also nine tails attack..stuff like that.

Did you read it correct? because you seemed to not have. Not only Kakashi, but the likes of the Sannin, which included Jiraiya who was considered a dunce, graduated at a young age.

Even MAITO GAI graduated the academy at age of 7.

remember that Gai and Jiraiya were no prodigy has children. they were like the dead lasts of sorts.

again making a point, which you decided to not read completely.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Those are just intelligence and strength feats intertwined.
 * He saw the fire ball jutsu just once and perfromed the technique the next second,
 * performed the shadow clone jutsu at that age, which shocked alot of the jonins
 * After just 4 months the higher ups agreed that there was nothing more the could teach itachi ;_;
 * Participated in the chunin exam's forest of death ALONE and made a record (something minato didnt do ;_;)
 * Participated in the chunin exams battle section and was stopped from going to the finals because everyone agreed that he was too skilled alread ;)
 * Performed a shuriken technique as a kid which Orochimaru thought he would've died from, orochimaru was rushing in to save Itachi but had to stop and be amazed of how brilliantly itachi pulled off the shuriken trick ;_;
 * SaSUke stated that Itachi is more skilled at shuriken jutsu than fugaku
 * After visiting the war battleifield he found a shinobi begging for water, he helped him then was attacked by that shinobi who was then killed by that same young itachi.
 * Defeated one of the most skilled and dangerous anbu at the age of 8.
 * After being caught with the audio genjutsu he quickly finds a way to break free, when sasuke's brain was in park mode
 * Invented the crow clone jutsu which reduces chakra consumption
 * No doubt he's the best sharingan genjutsu master. (probably behind shisui)
 * Praised by Ao and Shikaku for a genjutsu feat
 * Was shown to utilize susanoo whilst being outside of It.
 * He did deduce how chibaku tensei worked but he also sought out a weakness for it.
 * Analyzed Nagato's rinnegan shared field vision thingy and came up with a counter for it.
 * Excels in handsign speed (wasnt beaten)
 * Was the only one to found out obito's presence.
 * Formulates a plan, entrusting Naruto with shisui's eye in the event if sasuke did threaten konoha.
 * Created the exploding clone, which can act on it's own
 * Managed to land hits on a perfect sage mode user.
 * Kabuto stated that Itachi can see though peoples heart and read their intentions and use that to his advantage in battle
 * Itachi blitzed uchiha police members who had 3 tomoe sharingan unlocked ;_;

First. i never denied Itachi's skills. NEVER. i see him as one of the strongest shinobi. in Kage tier and with his haxx able to beat most of the Kage tier shinobi

also most feats you mentioned above are novel-anime exclusive, so...


 * fireball i agree with.... highly skilled... but Naruto managed to learn a kinjutsu within a few hours without anyone demonstration.


 * when? ..... also again, didnt Naruto surprised Jonin too with using Kage BUnshin...


 * novel/anime? .... just unneeded hype in my opinion, because in no way they had already taught him everything he knew by the age of 6


 * Novel exclusive i believe.... and did it even happen in Forest of Death? dont know specifics. also we dont know the Chunin Exam Minato went through.


 * again. no idea on his CHunin exam feats.


 * WHen?


 * Sasuke's statement. of a child no older than 6 or so. to be taken at face value. really?


 * WHen did this happen? forget that Obito lied about many things, Itachi was barely 3-4 years old about the time of war. please do tell how a child, not even a shinobi wandered into a battlefield far away from Konoha. a lie and stupid bs hype to build Itachi


 * when is it stated that he defeated an ANBU at 8? He wasnt even allowed to take CHunin Exam by age of 10.


 * I said he is one of the strongest Genjutsu users, also the stupid Sharingan Hax is what helped him break through. also didnt Sasuke also use Genjutsu on Itachi to remove him of the audio Genjutsu. they bought were caught and yet for some reason both could use Sharingan to dispel Genjutsu on the other


 * where is it mentioned he created the Crow CLone Jutsu?


 * No doubt. i would say even in terms of normal Genjutsu, since he uses crows and fingers to put others in genjutsu too. Something i wholly agree on.


 * Again with Genjutsu. read above.


 * What? using Susanoo from not being in it. when?


 * Yes. he did deduce a weakness to CHibaku Tensei and i acknowledged it. but the series has multiple characters, Naruto included, who see through opponents jutsu and deduce its weakness. SO it doesnt give him alone the edge.


 * Maybe it missed your notice but Itachi while in Akatsuki studied all its members. the conversation between EDo Itachi and Edo Nagato should tell you enough that Itachi knew of the Akatsuki as much as Nagato did or proabbly more. So he certainly knew of Rinnegan's shared vision.


 * Excelled in handsign speed. so what? there are shinobi who dont even require handsigns. Sasuke uses Firball Jutsu with one sign while Itachi needs multiple. so who is the loser here? he can move his hands as fast as he wants.


 * wasnt obito also the one who killed his team? and at that point most were more or less busy with trying to curb the Uchiha war. they didnt have the time to go around searching for a single man who wasnt doing much damage.


 * and how did that plan work? fail. he was like banking on Naruto to fight Sasuke, but there would be so better ways to go around having Sasuke return back to Konoha. he decides to mindr*pe Sasuke. good plan


 * again not stated that he created it. it probably was another of Tobirama's creation.


 * 2 MS users, the most Haxxed ability in all of Narutovers, against one Sage. the MS users tag team and barely get in a hit or two and that somehow is worth the praise. wow.


 * he couldnt read his own brother's heart.


 * when did it happen? they wasnt some big fight and he defeated them all as i know.

Yes. some are good feats. and he is skilled character.

but at the same time many shinobi have shown similar feats or even surpassed him.

just think through some and properly read what i say.

EDIT.....

Soloking itachi15 wrote: @nashikeine Itachi was considered a prodigy ,not only in his class ,but in his entire clan and his generation.He didn't live long enough or at least as much as minato did. In the akatsuki he was always on guard and was hunted wherever he went coz of his criminal status. If he lived a comfortable life in the village,where he need not always be on guard,or vigilant he could have done more, like become better in ninjutsu or create his own for a change. Minato did create rasengan, but it was Naruto who took it to the next level. The base rasengan ,not in the hands of Naruto is not that powerful of a technique. He learnt seals from kushina ,and took years to master the rasengan and other techniques too. He did not create the ftg. Itachi is good in decoding ninjutsu working as minato is and can strategically plan for the future and keep contingency plans. How can you deny itachi's feats but allow Minato's. If itachi was given similar teaching and had similar circumstances to minato he would have performed as good ,if not better than minato. Not telling that Itachi is better at being a prodigy then minato,thats debatable, but you told he is not even a genius.

In his class. yes.

in his clan. doubtful, seeing as Shisui was present and he was clearly hailed the superior.

the what if question? none of us wrote the manga. Kishimoto-sensei did. he made the situation they were in. wondering what if Itachi would have lived a better life is fanfic speculation. what is is the main thing and i based them on their what is in the manga.

Again Itachi is shown decoding one jutsu. something many characters did througout the series. Shikamaru with Hidan. Naruto with third Raikage and so and so forth. it does give him good feat, but it does not mean he goes on the top.

again what if?

Maybe i worded a bit wrong in my first post. Itachi is a genius. his level though is below Minato, Kakashi and Orochimaru likes.

also didnt i say that i would put him in top 10 in Narutoverse genis level, where people like Minato, Tobirama, Hashiram, Hiruzen, Kakashi, Orochimaru exist.

Further EDIT....

You talk about upbringing and how that would make a difference and all...

Maybe you are forgetting, but Itachi was a member of the Uchiha clan. a clan who has the KKG SHaringan, whose activation propels you to new levels. it is an age old clan with tonnes of ninjutsu and kinjutsu of their own, which Itachi was taught, even Izanagi and Izanami. he was the clan heir and lived a life of luxury of sorts.

Meanwhile Minato learnt from his clansmen....... WAIT! minato didnt have a clan we know of. hell we dont even know who his parents are. Just to point out that Kushina's heritage was specifically given a few chapters and such if Minato did have clan or parents than as the father of the protagnist his heritage would also be given importance. it wasnt, means more than likely he was an orphan. means he was a self made shinobi. he may have studied under Jiriaya, but his greates skills are his own. even FTG, despite Tobirama being the inventor, Minato leanrt it on his own as Tobirama was clearly dead by then and we know of no one else who knew FTG.

If Itachi was given the circumstances of Minato he would never be the shinobi he is