Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-37960523-20191227052712/@comment-34656247-20191231211336

UltimaDude wrote: He later said that Fukasaku and Shima are present, so there goes your entire argument. Sensing will allow to them to make the a preemptive strike or small retreat. Amaterasu and/or Tsukuyomi is avoided and Itachi used up a third of his chakra reserves. The master and student win here.
 * Where is that stated in the opening?
 * Jiraiya is slow asf in base, so yeah...retreat sounds smart. And anyways like i've proven above base genjutsu is enough here.

Princeharris1993 wrote: Also Itachi stated that a battle between him and Jiraiya would likely end in both of them dying, so as far as I'm concerned, they are at least even in that regard. Feats >>>> statements. Base genjutsu proven to solo.

Naruto can buy time for Jiraiya to seal any flames he needs to, but realistically, he won't need to because both Jiraiya and Naruto possess the speed necessary to dodge Amaterasu. The thing that might catch Jiraiya and Naruto off guard would be a Kirin and even then, Sage Mode How can Naruto buy time when Sasuke is all up on his ass? How can Jiraiya start to write lengthy flame seals whilst being burnt and whilst Itachi will be standing right infront of him? Amaterasu magnifies immediately after, so no. AND what's base Jiraiya's best speed feats?

Naruto was doing quite well in the Pain Fight for the most part, and we know the OP's Sasuke isn't equal to Pain at all. I'll even go out on a limb and say a Rasenshuriken can penetrate a Susanoo.
 * No we don't know that, and Naruto wasn't doing well. And Sasuke>>>> Naruto as shown multiple times. This Naruto starts in base, not SM. Whilst Sasuke can freely blitz and use mangekyou.
 * And we'll chop that limb off and ask for the basis of that claim, RS penetrating susanoo..

Also, for those saying ITachi will use Tsukuyomi over and over: Yea... No. He has never spammed that technique whatsoever. And no one said that lol

Naruto and Jiraiya win here. They'll have definitely difficulty if Sasuke pulls off Kirin, but without it, they will definitely win. lol