Talk:Jiraiya

Protection?
The page keeps being vandalised, the latest edit that I've already reverted used inappropriate words in replace of Sannin and Sage. --speysider (talk) 20:23, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Jiraiya's rank in the info box
Why is it not stated which rank he is in the info box? It says in the article that Jiraiya is a jonin and also that he is kage level.


 * He is a Sannin which is a separate rank altogether. Also, please sign your posts using either ~ or the 10th button from the left in the toolbar above. --speysider (talk) 16:28, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Okay thanks. Just another quick question: If he were to have a rank instead of sannin, do you think it would be appropriate to rank him jonin for such an powerful ninja, or would he just be ranked kage? --MichelleGaunt (talk) 14:20, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Just to clear something up, Sannin is not a rank. It's just a name that they were given, it's no different than Konoha's White Fang or Konoha's Yellow Flash. We do not know what rank Jiraiya held in his lifetime but Kage could not be one since he was never a Kage. So no, it wouldn't be appropriate unless Kishimoto told us what his rank was.--Cerez365™ 14:23, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

I thought so :) Thank you for clearing that up! --MichelleGaunt (talk) 14:27, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Vocal tic?
Is it just me, or does Jiraiya often seem to end his sentences in Japanese with something that sounds like "ta nô" or "da nô"? Not sure if it's just there in the anime, but I do seem to hear him say that a lot. --Chitalian8 01:16, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just bringing this up again, can anybody respond to it? Chitalian8 17:06, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Not sure, ask ShounenSuki or someone that knows Japanese "_" --Elveonora (talk) 01:20, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Undo War
Okay fine! Since I became involved to an unexpected undo war, seriously, in this two revision, what is the difference? IMO my edit best explains his personality, and the other one explains his loyalty. What's wrong with my edit? —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me) 05:05, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * This started because you decided to delete the entire first half of Jiraiya's personality section. The parts you removed in your edit had to do with his strong loyalty, which IS a part of your personality. Skitts (talk) 05:17, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * "Jiraiya served as her most trusted adviser, loyal confidante, and personal spy into the dealings of Akatsuki and Konoha's enemies."


 * I think that's the only info I removed, and improved the rest. If you want, I'm putting this back and improve it again. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me) 05:20, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * you can't do nothing here because those who are in control here don't like being pointed out that they are wrong. they show that they are objective, but if you look at majority of the articles here, it is speckled with information not said in the manga. if they do it, it's fine; if you do it, it's not. deal with it.203.147.106.202 (talk) 07:43, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Please to explain? Cite references to the "those who are in control"— because apparently we're on a plantation— being objective (which last time I checked was a good thing). If you see information here that is not cited in the manga, then it was done so in the anime and usually either in an anime-only arc or else "In the anime" is added to it. As it pertains to the part that IndxcNovelist removed, that shouldn't have been done because Jiraiya did serve as an advisor, confidante and a (personal?) spy on the Akatsuki.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 12:46, April 27, 2012 (UTC)

WEARING ANBU SUIT?
Is Jiraiya an ANBU? He was seen wearing it during he pursued Orochimaru in the forest. trying to convince his friend to come back Slayersimon (talk) 11:51, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

Rank in anime?
I saw on his page, that it said that he was a Jonin (in the anime that is), just wanted to know which episode that is being said? and also which episode is he chasing Orochimaru? --Kasan94 (talk) 17:23, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Rank was mentioned in Naruto: Shippūden episode 235- the info is referenced in his article.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:30, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Cerez :) --Kasan94 (talk) 18:01, November 12, 2012 (UTC)

ninja rank?
was Jiraiya and jonin ,chunin or a genin when he died?
 * If we knew, it would be in his infobox. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:09, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * @Omni, what? O_O he had a genin team, thus was a Jounin--Elveonora (talk) 06:26, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * . ~ Ultimate  Supreme  11:39, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's more than likely that the Sannin went through the whole nine yards with regards to rank. I even suspect that they were all Anbu at some point but the fact is we don't know where to put that information so it wouldn't be misleading.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:47, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure only Jounin can have Genin teams, unless I'm wrong, And I'm sure Jiraiya wasn't ever an ANBU, he traveled the world since like early 20 (after 2nd sww) and became an author--Elveonora (talk) 14:08, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's blatantly obvious Jiraiya was a jōnin.--Reliops (talk) 01:42, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Since Ebisu have a genin team, it means that Tokubetsu Jōnin can have a team aswell. --Kasan94 (talk) 10:12, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * It was also stated that Chunin can have Genin teams as well, and are capable of training at the Academy. Its just more common that Jōnin have Genin teams. We don't know what rank Jiraiya was, so no, Reliops, it is not blantantly obvious what rank he was. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 16:00, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * When did Ebisu had a Genin team? sorry the question but i don't remember. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 16:40, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * He was seen leading Team Ebisu in the beginning of part II. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 17:33, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Can you back up your Chunin team leader statement Foxie?--Elveonora (talk) 18:25, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't remember the exact chapter, but it was mentioned at least twice during the Chūnin Exams. I believe Kakashi mentions it, though, I do recall Hiruzen and the other jōnin discussing it at one point too. Shikamaru mentions it at some point as well, but that's, again, all back in Part I. Ebisu's status as a Tokubetsu Jōnin also throws into doubt whether Jiraiya was a Jōnin. The point of all of this is, you cannot, for any reason, jump to conclusions just because you think something should be obvious. Jiraiya may have left the village before becoming a jōnin. His skills alone doesn't prove that he ever was one, as Naruto has by far surpassed him and is still just a lowly Genin. Unless a databook or something in the manga tells us otherwise, guessing at his rank prior to leaving the village is speculation; not fact. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 18:46, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * True, but come on... not again the "Naruto surpassed everyone" thing. He hasn't. His skills are of a Chunin with some Jounin techniques in the mix. His intelligence is under average. Give some 80 years old non-shinobi/villagers QB's chakra and he/she will pwn most characters. Sorry for offtopic, we may take it to talpages in case u interested in arguing :D--Elveonora (talk) 19:02, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Wait guys, they mean that chūnin lead their missions or get teams to lead in missions. They don't get genin team to lead until you're a jōnin, that'd be kinda careless don't you think o.O? Asuma I believe told his team that they would eventually get genin of their own but he didn't mean as chūnin.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 19:18, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm with Cerez on this one. A non-Jounin can't lead a Genin team, unless proven otherwise--Elveonora (talk) 19:22, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * It is proven, for the last time, Elveonora. Tobetsuku Jōnin aren't jōnin. They're ninja with Jōnin skill in one, and only one, field of ninja expertise, and yet, they, like Ebisu, can lead Genin teams. Team Ebisu, case in point. Also, Naruto has surpassed a great deal of the jōnin. He was stated at multiple times to have surpassed Kakashi, Jiraiya, and Minato. That's a fact. And I will go get pages for each of them. Skill has no determination on rank. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 19:29, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Surpassing someone in a SINGLE area is one thing. People talk like if he did in everything. I don't see Naruto having the ability to use 2 or more nature transformation, I don't see him to be a Fuuinjutsu expert, yet to see any Barrier Ninjutsu from him. All I see is Rasengan and 50 variants of it... oh and clones--Elveonora (talk) 19:32, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * What does any of this have to do with Jiraiya being a Jōnin? Chūnin have never raised genin teams, that's something that jōnin (whether you're considered Special or not) do. Special Jōnin are still jōnin in every way that counts, they are ranked as such, and are included in any discussions that concern jōnin (e.g. when Hiruzen and the Council was talking to the jōnin during the Exams). I'm sure the others don't laugh at them because all Raidō can do is bodyguard and assassinate you like a pro.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 19:42, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * So, which are you going to speculate that he was, Cerez? Special Jōnin or Jōnin. Obviously there is a fundamental difference between the two, otherwise it is pointless to have an entire second rank for "special jōnin". So, I'll say it again, since we have no proof that he was either of them, which will you speculate, and then add to the article as fact, that he was? ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 19:54, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Also, the Special Jōnin were not included in the discussions about the Chūnin Exams. I don't see Ebisu or any of the others present. Just the full Jōnin and the Chūnin proctors. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 19:56, July 23, 2013 (UTC)