Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-26388300-20160524034125/@comment-26773508-20160527020756

Narutopwnu7 wrote: How the hell Hashirama's sage mode is beyond any sage mode, all sage modes are the same Hashirama was just very good in using it ,since he could enter on sage mode instatly he didn't had the drawbacks of the technique , the only difference between hashirama's sage mode and any another sage mode is that Hashirama's Sage mode boost his Healing powers. Which is exactly what @XShadyShadow means when he says Hashi's Sage Mode is beyond Minato's and Pain-arc Naruto's. His mastery and use of Sage Mode is on a completely different level compared to what pre-SPSM Naruto and Minato showed. There shouldn't even be a debate about this thing. It's Hashi's Sage Mode feats and mastery we're talking about, NOT about the source of his Sage Mode.

@Namikazenaruto9:

Do I have to repeat the same things over and over again?

1) Madara has seen Tobirama using FTG. Minato usually throws his FTG Kunais all over the battlefield before he begins fighting. That's a huge giveaway and Madara will know about it instantly just by looking at all the identical FTG formulae in the kunai. Minato isn't catching Madara by surprise.

2) There's no evidence or indication whatsoever that FTG can teleport the Susanoo away from its user. If that were possible, Tobirama would also be named among those who could match EMS Madara. But we know that only Hashirama could match EMS Madara. So the evidence is against your claim. It's one thing to teleport a flying Bijuu Dama away. It's a totally different thing to teleport Susanoo, which is connected to the user. Apples and Oranges. Your claim has no evidence to back it up.

3) Madara can definitely withstand the Rasengan Minato used on kid Obito. Bigger versions will injure him, but won't kill him outright. Unless Minato pulls out SM Jiraiya's hugeass rasengan. That will probably kill him.

4) A Kurama jinchuriki Minato who lets Kurama gather natural energy is still not on par with Hashirama or EMS Madara. Simply put, Minato isn't on the same league as Madara and Hashirama. He's a couple of tiers below them. So Kyuubi jinchuriki Minato isn't defeating Madara. What is Minato gonna do? Bijuu dama? PS tanks all that. What else does Minato have aside from that and Rasengan? Not much. So once again, Minato loses.

5) How will Madara fight an enemy he can't hit? Well first of all, what makes you think Madara can't hit Minato? Madara is a master sensor. He'll sense Minato the instant Minato shows up somewhere in the battlefield. And Madara's very smart. He'll use feints and tricks to fool Minato and lure him into getting hit.

Once again, Madara has a good deal of knowledge and experience about FTG, thanks to Tobirama. Minato's FTG is superior to Tobirama, but the basic mechanism is the same. Madara will simply observe and adapt to Minato's superior version first. Then use feints and tricks to lure Minato near him. Madara's sensory perception will allow him to pinpoint Minato the moment he teleports near Madara. And Madara's reaction speed is top-notch as well. So he'll use his Susanoo arms or other weapons/jutsus against Minato.

So yeah, Madara is quite capable of hitting Minato. Even if we entertain your view about Madara being completely incapable of hitting Minato, then that still doesn't give Minato the victory. Minato will just be jumping around here and there, unable to defeat Madara's Susanoo. That's not a victory for Minato.