Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-31660872-20170403131802/@comment-27089028-20170411133623

UltimaDude wrote: Starscream1998 wrote: We weren't talking about what Madara wanted we were talking about whether or not he was a pawn but yes I agree Madara achieved what he thought he wanted which was a world of dreams but as you and I very well know the Infinite Tsukiyomi is a lot more than that so unfortunately for Madara he achieved a little bit more than he would have wanted. This is one of the points you were arguing against I disagree. Madara was in full control of his actions and made his decisions on his own. He genuinely wanted the Eye of the Moon Plan to happen. Madara technically got what he wanted. So yes, you were talking about what Madara wanted. Also, Madara wasn't really a pawn. He was in full control and knew exactly what he was doing. He was only back-stabbed (literally) after he activated Infinite Tsukuyomi. Madara wasn't manipulated by Black Zetsu in the way he manipulated Obito, so he can't be called a pawn. I've already told you being a pawn has nothing to do with having control over your actions a pawn is a person used by others for their own purposes. The anime states Madara is a pawn, he matches the definition of a pawn therefore Madara is whether you want to believe it or not a pawn.