Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-24163532-20160220065900

@Ninja of War "I think you are forgetting a few things. Jiraiya needed to bide time with Gamaken to summon the sage toads." Actually if you use common sense my good sir, if Jiraiya really wanted to bide time, summoning all three giant toads if he could, would definitely have given Pein more of a distraction so I don't see your point in saying this and how this proves why Jiraiya didn't summon all three that he was capable of summoning. Also weren't you arguing that Jiraiya didn't need time in order to summon the Geezer Toads? That's quite the change up pal. "After his initial confrontation with Pein he realizes that he needs to use SM to win, and says he is going to need to go at him with full force." Wrong, his confrontation with the one Pein was his hair wrapping him up and talking to him basically. He stated he was going full force from and I quote (Manga Chapter 375) "the start!" because he knew about the Rinnegan and the legends behind it. He did not and would not underestimate such a power such as the Rinnegan. Jiraiya is a very intelligent man who knows about the Rinnegan, as well as the saying about those who possess it, either being the savior of the world, or destroyer. If Jiraiya could summon all three big boss toads and the Geezure Sage Toads, answer this, why wouldn't he? He was going up against a Rinnegan user, a legendary Dojutsu he thought that could change the world for the better or worst. Odd. According to your logic, Jiraiya is basically an idiot who underestimated Nagato but wouldn't for Itachi. Sounds totally right. Even after combating multiple summonings and being on the run, he never once tried to summon backup even when Gama was taking a beating. Even when he was fighting multiple Peins and even went into Sage Mode, he still did not summon any to help him. But he could right? According to you even though he could of and it would of benefitted him to do it, he didn't even though he is supposed to be an intelligent Sannin. Also where does it state full force only means Sage mode? Was this stated in the manga, or by Kishi somewhere? If so I must have missed it. Oh wait, that was never stated LOL. You are overstepping Jiraiya's limits bro. Last I checked, Full-Force meant all you got. "It also seems you are ignoring the fact that Itachi has to kind of charge up his Amaterasu before he can use it. If you don't believe this, check it out for yourself. I am not trying to downplay anybody, but I cannot ignore facts." Never did I say Amaterasu's charge up was instant, but Amaterasu itself was instant. However, you seem to forget the Sharingans capabilities and how it can detect fast movements, and again overstepping Toads abilities stating they are faster then the Sharingan's analytic capabilities even though a Genin Sasuke was able to analyze Haku who stated (in the anime) he was moving at lightspeed and based on the description of the technique, it basically almost is since its reflection speed, and other great speedsters, because the Rinnegan lost focus? Even though the Rinnegan wasn't said to be as analytic as the Sharingan. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. "P.S. You still have not answered my question, it is quite hard to take you seriously at this point." First, I am not gonna read this long thread and find all the bs you stated when I present two clear ones in this post. To be frank, I don't care much of what you think of me and if you take me seriously or not, what I said in this post is common sense, while you state bs in order to overstep a character.

@Minato I honestly have no clue what you are saying but it looks like you are trying to say Itachi was trying to kill Sasuke and was not trying to pull Orochimaru out from him. If that is the case then you sir, need to read the Manga, everyone should know Itachi's desires to protect Sasuke by now. As for the whole opinion thing, it depends on the opinion. If a guy is going to claim things as fact and spit out bs like the Raikage in Lightning Armor being hit by an Amaterasu hit, or a Toad being faster then the Sharingan's visual ability, then yes I will call their bs out. Oops.