Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36019309-20190114073523/@comment-35409024-20190128001643

BrainBrand wrote: - What was Kakashi talking about in chapter 257 when he said "he has you instantly", if he wasn't talking about the duration of Tsukuyomi?

The casting of the Genjutsu itself. You look into his eyes, Itachi has you instantly. That's how I see it. Based off the evidence Jason provided, it is cemented since instantly has to transpire at 0 seconds.

BrainBrand wrote: I didn't make a case about Tsukuyomi happening in 0 seconds, but...if I use this defintion of the adjective form of instant it can mean quick:

Instant: happening or coming immediately. "the offense justified instant dismissal"

You joined in on the argument between me and Jason determining if the cast or if the illusion itself happens instantly. Jason had used Kakashi's statement of moment as evidence to support the illusion being instantly transpiring. That was what the debate was about. And you can't use that adjective definition of instant, because you're using it's definition of moment so it can replace it. Therefore it means a moment. Not that, lol. You can't change a words meaning to replace a word, then change it's meaning to different situational usage. You have to stick with one definition. Especially when both definitions conflict. Especially when you are using it's noun form to replace the word moment. You can't just replace a word with it's noun meaning then change it to it's adjective form, grammar don't work like that lol.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Tsukuyomi is a genjutsu...... Except your comparison is a little off, Killer Bee is an adult and already experienced and way powerful and to say that Bee would just sit and decide to learn how to break genjutsu is so not like the character...i bet gyuki would be laughing and field offended at that point, the dude is a swordsman what do swordsman improve in? ask suigetsu,& zoro... WhereaS. Boruto is a kid and will have to definitely improve..as did every kid... This argument is pointless, to our knowledge has can't break tsukuyomi case closed. Maybe because someone mind bombed him to the point he had to be warned by the guy mind bombing him? If I got caught in a Genjutsu by a guy who was helping me beat him, and had to be warned i was in Genjutsu by that guy, i would very much improve in that regard. Only an idiot would be like "I'm okay as is". Bee and Gyuki didn't even realize they were in Genjutsu until Itachi turned into crows. That's cause my dude Itachi wild. But regardless I'm not saying whether bee can or can't for the same reason I wouldn't say Hashirama could or couldn't. Cause the info isn't there. You can all you want. But that's just based on your opinion and not the series. That is, unless you prove Ninja wrong. Please look at the title of the post. Even after stating the stuffs about the elite uchihas capable of breaking tsukuyomi it still wents on say this The phenomena that happen inside of the mental realm are entirely the caster's to command. Which is to say, the images shown or the actions taken can be changed according to the opponent in order to yield maximum efficiency. to yeild maximum efficiency.....even on the uchiha's? hmmmm That just means he can make it as best as it can be. Doesn't mean it can't be broken lol. Oh boy..so it's a consensus that Kakashi's statement is well known and proved tsukuyomi to be faster compared to Asuma's statement. But you then went to use asuma's statement which at that time you were saying this *But it happens in a matter of seconds as shown in the series and said on the Tsukuyomi page. If a second or two passes, it isn't instant...convenience. Then this

Also, this shows everything we need to know [1] A Viz scan. Only a second had passed. So it isn't instant...i rest my case. If everyone can read what you say and read what I say, then what the heck did i leave out? Did Kakashi say something not stated in this thread? Nope. So I left nothing out. Did you not say Kakashi said moment before i posted Asuma's TRUE statement? Yes. Can everyone read it just like my post? Yes. So nothing is left out. However, you said that Asuma said " was as soon as itachi stopped talking Kakashi dropped to the ground" that means you were saying as soon as Itachi stopped talking, kakashi was falling too his knees, implying the illusion was performed instantly. I merely corrected that. By the way, Kakashi saying moment doesn't conflict with a second, lol. So nice try. You were the one conveniently leaving out Asuma's real statement, but trying to frame me for that for just proving you wrong? Nah, not happening. Everyone can read. Quit trying to play the credibility game, it ain't working. You can't accuse someone (who corrected you) of doing something you, yourself did. In fact, you went above and beyond and twisted the statement. So are we really going to continue this convo? I rest MY case. Except the shippuden statement made by kakashi is not what i was talking about, that argument was dead. The word moment, further translated to instant is what we were talking about. Show me a screenshot of instant meaning 0.00 seconds loll. Lol, are you okay dude? Do you not know why we're even on this subject? We were debating over that statement, of him having you instantly. You used Kakashi's moment statement as evidence too that. So no it's not dead. We're still and have been discussing your evidence. Catch up bro. We were literally discussing if instantly referred to the Illusion or the cast. You brought up Asuma's false statement as proof. I said not proof. You then brought up Kakashi's moment statement as proof, and we been discussing it ever since. Take a break bro, lol. Seems you need to collect yourself. The debates not going anywhere.