User talk:Seelentau

Re: colored manga
ah right thnk u for telling me. the only other website i know to buy the colored edition volumes is plus.shonenjump.com but sadly for some reason the website does not accept my credit card payment. I really would love to obtain the colored images like the way you do and if there is any other way u could help me tht would be excellent. Srry if im annoying ya wth this.--Deeinfernodestroyer (talk) 09:18, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Translation request
Senpai, what's the literal meaning/rōmaji/furigana of 落風伝? Thank you ^_^ — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 16:09, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with you that the first kanji isn't that clear from that image, but it's the closet one to it according to 2ch anime threads. So what's the meaning of refūden anyway? — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 16:28, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm using Denshi Jisho(MILES better than Google) and it gives me these results for 落風伝:

落, kun:ochi, ochiru, otosu and on: raku. Meaning: come down; drop; fall.

風, kun: kaze and on: fuu. Meaning: air; manner; style; wind.

伝, kun:tsutau, tsutaeru, tsutawaru, tsudau, tsute, zutai and on: ten, den. Meaning: communicate; follow; go along; legend; report; tradition; transmit; walk along.

So it would be more of "Rakufūden"(or alternatively "Rakupūden"), which would mean roughly "Falling Wind Chronicles".

...Where did you find this anyway?--JouXIII (talk) 16:46, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't use google to translate stuff^^ • Seelentau 愛 議 16:48, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright then, good to hear.^^--JouXIII (talk) 16:53, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks senpai, I think it does make sense anyway. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 20:58, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

The Last/Otsutsuki lore
Hello good sir. I would like to know if you perhaps might not own Retsu no Sho and the novel adaptation of the movie, especially the latter. Just wondering if there aren't some details in those that are not well explained in the movie. For example, i remember it was stated in the Tenseigan energy vessel article that it uses natural energy (not sure if it still says so) what's the source for that? Pretty much asking for fine details in Retsu no Sho and the movie's novelization that aren't in the movie itself, thank you.--Elve Talk Page 18:25, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Too bad, would like the Otsutsuki Clan article and everything Otsutsuki related to be as correct and complete as humanly possible, since I made that article. But thanks nonetheless.--Elve Talk Page 18:53, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Kanji confirmation
Can you confirm that Sakura's jutsu in the bottom image here is 桜花裂衝? The romaji is a bit hard to see. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:20, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Also I reason I asked. All the sources I had for that game jutsu are in Japanese, so I didn't question which kanji it was. Dunno how I got the current romaji, I know there are Japanese gameplay videos on youtube, but I don't recall if she says the name of the ougi. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:38, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Translation Request?
Hey Seele. If you don't mind spoilers, would it be much trouble for you to translate two new techniques from one of the leaks from Boruto the Movie? The video quality is meh but you can still hear the names. The techniques are: a earth-like quicklime technique used by Kurotsuchi (pretty sure it's not this) and a crystal-like technique used by Chōjūrō. Here's the --> [https:http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Seelentau?action=edit&section=50//www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v3JBYpIsNc link]. If you don't like spoilers, it's ok if you don't watch it ;)--Omojuze (talk) 09:26, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, gotcha. Maybe in the future then :) --Omojuze (talk) 11:28, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * btw, have you found this or have you managed to hear it for yourself? If the latter, then maybe "Ash Pile Seal" would be closer (like Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning) and the "Lava Release" part wasn't mentioned. Just curious :) ? And thanks again, have you managed to dig up anything regarding Chojuro's technique?--Omojuze (talk) 19:22, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, thank you. Is it Water Release or anything? also, if the novel is available, is Organic Dinosaur translating it? If so, could I have a link please, just to keep up with the news? :) --Omojuze (talk) 19:30, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok. :( Well thanks anyways. Are you translating it? (and you have it in secret? >.<) on Narutoforums?--Omojuze (talk) 19:34, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Where the names come from then? haha. If it's a secret, I understand, I'll trust you, have no reason not to. :)--Omojuze (talk) 19:36, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * You said "no to all" so I figured it's not on narutoboards.. lol. But thanks a lot, Seele :) --Omojuze (talk)

Re:Stinky Shinki
Tjaaa, das Internet ist ein lustiger Ort für lustige Leute. Bin echt gespannt, was im Endeffekt draus wird. xD Norleon (talk) 17:56, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Article edits
I think it would be better to restrict discussions involving edits to certain articles to talkpages these days rather than forum threads, given their tendency to explode for no proper reason. :/ What do you think? 19:27, August 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * My point exactly. Not necessarily the forums. Instead, you have a thread like the one I just linked asking when some articles should be updated (rather than just asking on the talkpage), and then it devolves to either people thinking the wiki is already 100% accurate (which is just wrong) or, someone coming in and saying "Don't add unconfirmed info to articles or it'll be reverted" then the users are like "Ah! He's threatening us!" or so. 19:46, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Japanese name of Heaven Spear Kick?
Sorry to bother you with this, but I want to get this out of my mind. I presume you have tried it in the past already, but Heaven Spear Kick not having Japanese name is really bothering me... I mean, does it have one? I've tried to search it, but I've limited options... Do you know someone to ask? And if you do, could you ask is it 天槍蹴, Tensōshū(literally Heaven Spear Kick)? Again, Sorry to bother you with this...--JouXIII (talk) 22:55, August 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks.--JouXIII (talk) 22:59, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Should I talk about Katasuke in the part of Boruto personality with the cheating bits since he is the one who tricks him in the beginning to use it the device? Or should we just wait for the full movie and edit it later? GodlyHades (talk) 02:34, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Timeline Page
Could you give me a link to your Timeline page. Thanks. Munchvtec (talk) 14:51, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
 * oh lol. I must have missed that. thanks again. Munchvtec (talk) 14:57, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Timeline
Hello Seelentau,

i wonder bit about your timeline. How did you know when exactly was born Izuna?

--Makimaki11 (talk) 10:56, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Hello Seelentau,

i wonder bit about your timeline. How did you know when exactly was born Izuna?

--Makimaki11 (talk) 10:57, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

OK now let me explain you my observations and you can see for yourself if that is fitting in.

As we know Hiruzen, Koharu and Homura were coming from Academy very soon and we know that they were having Nidaime for Sensei. Pretty much same as Kakashi was for team 7.

But then we go to flashback where escape unit was made off Kagami, Torifu, Danzou, Homura, Koharu, Hiruzen, under the Nidaime.

There was notion that bait is gonna die. Which gets confirmed that KIN&GIN bros eventually killed Nidaime. Kin and GIn being 44 when they died, makes me think that they didnt die in natural death. So i believe Nidaime killed them and they killed him, but due to respect they didnt tell us.

So going to ages..Kagami was 25 years old, torifu 30. So COmpany (Hiruzen, Koharu, Homura, Danzou) was either between 25 and 30 or 30 and bit over. But since Torifu was there with Koharu and Hiruzen (of year 0 and Tobi's attack on Konoha) and roughly same age of 57 it makes me think that he was Same age as Hiruzen.

So Going by that, Kagami was 25 at the time and Nidaime died when Hiruzen was thirty (when KInGin bros confirmed that they have killed Nidaime). That is year 27 before Naruto was born. It was as well Hiruzen day when he became Hokage. it was first shinobi world war.

Also Tobirama's rival was IZuna, which practically makes him same age. So it would make Tobirama 61 years old, thus i believe that it is a bit too much. There wasnt 30 year old diff between Tobirama and Hiruzen, that im sure off.

So i believe that Nidaime was around 50 when he died. Madara used Senju cells to prolong his life, thus he looked like very old. The diff between Madara and IZuna, cant be more than 3 year as well.--Makimaki11 (talk) 12:54, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Well for Kagami and Torifu there is confirmed date at the time when flashback occured. So it is not without basis. And it is also confirmed that Hiruzen became Hokage and 99% that Tobirama died at that day.

Anyway nice timeline indeed. YOu did great work though. Based on what is given to us thorugh databook and vauge data from manga, you certainly did your job.

Thanks though.

--Makimaki11 (talk) 14:04, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Novel listing
<-- Hey Seele. I know that, albeit novel is novel, we should just list "hiden series" stuff in that section, and for various reasons. First of all, it's speculation friendly, for example, Kunoichi, who previously listed characters and techniques that we don't even know if they appeared in the novel version of the movie/episode, using the whole "well it appeared in the episode/movie, so..." notion. Also, it's more lenient and convenient. I dunno, it's listing an adaptation, I just don't think it's worthy.--Omojuze (talk) 09:38, August 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, there's the whole notion if the hiden series were to be animated, we could get rid of the section entirely.--Omojuze (talk) 09:40, August 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well the manga is the main source and it has pictures (yes, I said it >.<) But, regarding speculation, we cannot confirm whether it is or not, and that is what's frustrating. It just leaves a lot of articles with missing information or false information, so it's better to just omit everything than to leave ~5% of it here, and the other 95 not.--Omojuze (talk) 09:49, August 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well because I had to remove them (well they basically came from Kunoichi) a while ago, and had to ask her to limit novel sections to the hiden novels. But like here, without any source it's hard to say whether she's right or not. I trust you regarding such stuff, but not her. >.<--Omojuze (talk) 09:53, August 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * <-- Well then could you say the same about the edit right here? It's regarding the "Waterfall Village OVA" novel adaptation. Although, yes, he was one of the major villains, adding it without proof is still wrong. Like I said, this just encourages speculation, with the whole "well, it appeared in the anime/movie, so it had to appear here too" notion. We should just avoid that.--Omojuze (talk) 09:59, August 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * See, there's no way to confirm these edits, which are most probably true, but we don't know. And that's what leaves 95% of the information missing, leaving the wiki very unclean in that specific sense.--Omojuze (talk) 10:21, August 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm just saying that anime/movie adaptation novels shouldn't be registered on the entirety due to it being hard to distinguish the information. Unlike with the games, which can be found online and we can actually see, the books leave the reader to interpretate what is happening more often that not, which leads to more speculation.--Omojuze (talk) 10:30, August 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Which will never be fully possible. At least with the games, one can find more than half of the information online. This is not the case with the anime/movie novel adaptations. Honestly, it just leaves the wiki unclean, but if you're so adamant with that, so be it.--Omojuze (talk) 10:36, August 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * The notion of being clean and sticking to actual original novels doesn't make sense? k. >.>--Omojuze (talk) 10:39, August 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, because "adaptation" = "original" >.> --Omojuze (talk) 10:46, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Those "original" novels tell basically what happens/happened in the movie, don't see what's so original about that. but, yeah, if you're so adamant, I'll leave it to you to maintain such matters. --Omojuze (talk) 10:50, August 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well a few sources did say that it was Wind Release after seeing the movie, so I don't believe that this is exclusive, at least not until I see the movie anyways.--Omojuze (talk) 10:55, August 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * <-- See, there's no quick way to affirm edits like these, which sounds so realistic, but might not be.--Omojuze (talk) 22:40, August 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * <-- See... >.> Can you even confirm any of these... >.> I told you that this would happen.--Omojuze (talk) 09:51, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Colored Image: Hiden: Hiding in Scale Powder Technique
I already asked here, but i figured asking directly may help results. Do you have an image of Hiding in Scale Powder colored in the manga?--TheUltimate3 (talk) 11:42, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Unused pictures
The wiki is supposed to delete unused images, as per Fair Use (I assume). However, I don't make my way to the Image Mines to see which image is used and what isn't.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 12:27, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Why Do U Prevent Canon Material In The Wikia? Bob1200 (talk) 13:44, August 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to discuss this. Take your fanon shit to the fanon wiki. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:46, August 14, 2015 (UTC)

Translations
Hey, Seel. I don't we've ever spoken, so sorry if its rude for asking for some of your time. I current need help for a wiki that I frequent. I've seen you on there a couple of months ago, and I know your handiwork. So I'd like to ask for you to proof-read [page]. Because with some research i've come that these could be incorrect. Its more with the variations below. I have some opinion what they could be, but I sadly don't speak japanese. Thanks in advance ^^

-- 15:33, August 14, 2015 (UTC)

colored images
was wondering man, do u have any of the entire volumes in color? and care to share?--RexGodwin (talk) 06:46, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

Translation Help
Hey there, I need a little help here...

I already know that theoretically '仏術' can be read as either "butsujutsu" or "hotokesube".

Now, is it also possible to read it as "bujutsu"? I've made some searches and it seems in some cases you can read '仏' as "bu"('仏供'as "buku" and '仏子' as "bushi").

I just want to make sure...--JouXIII (talk) 16:33, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * ...As in "sure, I'll look into it" or "sure, you can read it like that"?--JouXIII (talk) 20:27, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright, just wanted to be sure. Thank you! ^_^ --JouXIII (talk) 21:04, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

Okay
Based on this, wouldn't Hinata being part of Hamura's lineage (lineal descent from an ancestor) contradict the claims of her and other members of the Hyuga clan being descendants of Hagoromo through atavism? Can you break it down for me, please? ^__^ 01:41, August 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Must of missed that. Thank you :D ~ 01:50, August 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Whoops. Seems like I contributed to it already and ignored it afterwards x) 01:55, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Infobox manga debut section
So the number instead of the name?--~Ultimate Supreme  17:42, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Edit Acheive
thought i changed it because of Kaze's edit on Hinata article. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Hinata_Hy%C5%ABga?diff=1087966&oldid=1087954 Kunoichi101 (talk) 18:49, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

Re:What the hell...
[Shrug] Just me being a perfectionist/neat freak. Don't mind me lol XD KazeKitsune (talk) 19:38, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Section Removal
I Removed It Because I Don't Feel Like Being The Target Of Intolerance Because U Guys Can't Deal With How I Type. Also, What Rules? I've Never Seen Any Place For Rules, lol. Bob1200 (talk) 12:43, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

RE:RE: Section Removal
'''You're not the target of anything. It's just that if you write like shit, you're gonna get shit for it. There are basic grammar rules you have to adhere to and if you don't like that, feel free to leave. You can read the rules here.''' Also, read everything linked in the yellow box. Otherwise, there'll be consequences you'll have to face if you continue like that in the future. • Seelentau 愛 議 12:52, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

Seems Like Intolerance To Me. Forcing Someone To Do Something In A Specific Way. I Don't Care What Other People Think About How I Type, If They Can't Deal With It Then That's Their Problem For Being Intolerant Douchebags. Bob1200 (talk) 12:55, August 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * U Do Realize I'm Not A New Member Right? I've Been Editing Stuff Here For Over A Year, lol. Bob1200 (talk) 13:04, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

Forum
Btw I Have Yet To See Any Rules About Grammar, lol. Bob1200 (talk) 13:17, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

Hey
Just ignore him. He's an attention-seeker, that's why he writes like that. Don't even bother with him, unless he breaks the rules.--JOA2013:27, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

Talk Pages
If you could pitch in to these two talk pages that would be great. No one seems to want to. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Kazekage_Clan and http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Fus%C5%8D#Occupation.3F Munchvtec (talk) 13:28, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

JW
Why Was My Vanishing Rasengan Talk Page Taken Off? People Tell Me To Use Talk Pages And Then When I Do They Get Deleted, Like Dafaq. Did I Put It In The Wrong Place Or Something? Bob1200 (talk) 15:15, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

RE: JW
I Did Read The Rules But I Didn't See Anything About Talk Pages Being Removed For Being On Topic. Bob1200 (talk) 15:50, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

Ruby
I added basic support to :

Removed parenthesis from infobox--~Ultimate Supreme  06:46, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Doesn't matter. Its optional. Add it only where needed. Are there many articles that need ninjutsu? If not just add it like we do with Dōjutsu on Rinnegan and others. Changed to that format.--~Ultimate Supreme  12:52, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Jutsu classification
So, I don't know why exactly you added ninjutsu and dōjutsu to the classification of many kekkei genkai, but it's messing up the category added to the article, and them being detected as kekkei genkai in Special:BrowseData. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:34, August 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, he'll need to tinker with a few more templates to get it working again. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:31, August 19, 2015 (UTC)

Novel listings
Just to confirm, do novel mentions really count as debuts?--Mina talk  18:01, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

V-Jump scan of Storm 4
Senpai, a new scan from the latest V-Jump issue has been released for the upcoming Storm game.. it shows some good information like Sarada can use Fire Release jutsu... Also it's been stated that the Vanishing Rasengan is named as seen in the image description but the kanji is blurry and not clear... can you clarify it? Thanks — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 12:21, August 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay what about ???の"螺旋丸"?! Is it a description of his Rasengan or what?? — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 12:50, August 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * In the same scan, from here, at least we got the name of their combination ulitmate jutsu, it's called, not sure about the "New Age" thing, thoughts? — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 13:45, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Choku Tomoe
Does anything canon like the databook say anything about Indra and his reincarnations having Choku Tomoe?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 00:58, August 23, 2015 (UTC)

Just something I thought was interesting..
If Kishi were to have kept up the Stat charts, they would have had a 6th and 7th tier added in DB4.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/search?q=naruto+settei&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all

As this site you already know well, gives each member stat points and you can upgrade the stat point to higher tiers.

I thought this was very interesting and wonder what it means, and the possible new scores for some people albeit we will never know.. QuakingStar (talk) 01:44, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * I have literally no clue what you want from me. :D • Seelentau 愛 議 06:23, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Don't want anything from you, just thought you might be interested in this. ._. QuakingStar (talk) 06:26, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, maybe I shouldn't literally write in English what I'd say in German^^ What I meant was that I don't understand what you mean. What does reddit have to do with the databook stats? @.@ • Seelentau 愛 議 06:29, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

I noticed that the users on Reddit in this post made their own accounts on the official Naruto training website thing and got their own official Ninja Registration I.D.s, they did the trainings on the site and were given their own official stat points and the highest numbers I have seen on the stat points now are 7. I think that means that if Kishi decided to keep the stat system in we would see 5.5's, 6's, 6.5's, and 7's on the new stats. Very interesting, easy to make fanon stats for characters now. I even made my own list using this new knowledge. Separated from base stats I made boosted stats too QuakingStar (talk) 11:55, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

device
No need to be so anal ._. Can you please answer that? Does that mean Boruto in the movie canon can actually use Wind, Water and Lightning then?--Elve Talk Page 12:21, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for answering. Ten-Ten should have been banned too then, because she didn't have to carry all those thousands kunai and shuriken among other things.--Elve Talk Page 12:52, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Lol.
Clearly you don't know who you're dealing with, judging by what you wrote on my talk. I will forgive your ignorance this time, but threaten to ban me again and you will realize you made a huge mistake. MDateX (talk) 15:21, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

Hamura's TSB
So Hamura's TSB are indeed in an S-shaped formation? 02:26, August 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess... "Sure." :D And well, they didn't look S-shaped to me... >_< 02:39, August 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, if they're not S-shaped, then why did you put them as sigmoidal? >.< 02:50, August 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * =w= Okay~ :P 02:55, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

History
I think some pages could use some history sections, like the five great countries and shinobi maybe? Justin Holland (talk) 03:32, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

Thread
You're fast. I was just about to comment on and close that thread, lol. 20:13, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Thread:185968
At first I thought they were different, but Pierrot blog said that "Menma Namikaze" is the non-corrupt version of Menma Uzumaki from the movie, which makes it similar to the case of two different (universes?) in the same world... Like, both Limited Tsukuyomi and Tenten's World is the same world, but with different events, which lead up to different futures.. (at least that's how I see it >.<) Thank god it's a filler :D Both worlds share too many similarities tho, even Kizashi is the Fourth Hokage in both worlds..--Omojuze (talk) 14:26, September 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Btw, this is off-topic, but if you're interested, check this out, while it's still on Youtube :D If you haven't yet, that is! --Omojuze (talk) 14:27, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Genjutsu books
Is there anything remotely interesting in Kurenai's genjutsu books from Tenten's IT filler episode? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:36, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Itachi Shinden Page scans
https://twitter.com/2chsasusakubare this person has some scans and some tweets about them, shown here. Might have some timeline info somewhere. QuakingStar (talk) 00:43, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

Haruno Family
Hello, yesterday we spoke in this thread Talk: Clans. I found this image with this text:

小櫻的雙親初登場！！在原作中不曾登場的小櫻的父親與母親，我們在劇場版中得以一睹姿態！在此之前未曾見過的小櫻與父母的日常生活到底會是怎樣！？而父親目前擔任的木葉要職也非常值得注目.

左下角的"動畫設定圖"翻譯：動畫的顏色指定圖初公開！從顏色可以看出小櫻的髮色是遺傳父親，而綠眼則是遺傳母親！？(小櫻的爸爸年輕時頭髮應該是粉紅色，現在有點年紀後則呈現紫灰色)

右下角的"岸本老師的人物設定"翻譯：看起來很溫柔卻又很強大的櫻爸. 他的臉孔被刻在火影岩上到底是為什麼~！？小櫻媽媽旗袍上那三個紅圈是春野家的家紋. (看到小櫻的爸爸好像有點年紀時，才想到鳴人爸媽在鳴人出生時過世，所以比較年輕；佐助父母則在佐助小時候過世，所以看起來也算年輕).

Please, can you confirm the text? If the text were true, we have confirmation of Haruno family and its symbol, even just for the movie ^_^ --Sharingan91 (talk) 07:40, September 7, 2015 (UTC)