Board Thread:Wiki Discussions/@comment-25075055-20140410195636/@comment-34115-20140513213139


 * Please keep in mind groups are cheap, the data for this discussion has added more data to the database than adding new groups will.
 * The Rollbacker group gets its name from the right it grants (rollback). Do consider the implications of making something named Rollbacker carry meaning besides what it is called.
 * Discussion seems to be focused on "current" rollbackers. Keep in mind that the viral nature of the group means that "future" rollbackers can be practically anyone on the wiki.
 * The rights granted to both standard users and standard users with rollback are benign. Everything they can do can be undone by someone else and only two actions – page creation of an unwanted page and a malicious page move followed by an edit to the original page – require elevated permissions (sysop) to undo, everything else can be undone by any standard user including rollbacks. The danger of forum rights depends not on their context but whether they can be undone, what is required to undo it, and what side-effects they create by a delay in response to them and after response.

@Speysider, when I reminded you in email that some sysops got their rights after regularly marking junk for deletion and making block requests to sysops I wasn't reminding you about the history of our sysops. I was both reminding you that reporting things to sysops is a normal way administration gets done and also reminding you that granting permissions to a user after they've made piles of valid requests for sysops to clean something up – and in essence already demonstrated some responsibility for use with that right – is not just a way some people got rights but normal way for them to be granted, including users with future forum rights. Frankly sysop rights grants are sometimes accompanied by a ";) Go do it yourself" joke.