Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180122204034/@comment-27924662-20180126054218

Rachin123 wrote: @Namikaze

The masks can fly though. Toad Tongue Bind will be useless on them. And yes, it best works in enclosed places as I said. Jiraiya using the Shadow Clone, but didn't do it against Pain (the leader of Akatsuki), but sure he'll use it in this case. Jiraiya used shadow clones in the fight with Pain. In fact he used them in two different occasions. Once to quickly increase the total amount of Nature Energy and get rid of the Dogs and Second time when Ma and Pa were attempting Genjutsu. He uses an elaborate trap to immobilize every pain with the Swamp, Fire Ninjutsu respectively.. Toad mouth Trap might not be that great against S class ninja but like I said the masks aren't that sentient. They would easily fall for it. Rachin123 wrote: Trap the masks in what? The masks don't seem to be smart, but don't average below average intelligence. They have enough common sense to do what it has to do. The masks are durable enough to withstand Choji's gigantic palm strike. The wind mask has blown down a good chunk of the forest with its giant air blast. The lightning mask produced an attack that would have killed Choji and Shikamaru, had Kakashi not countered with his Lightning Cutter. The masks together can create a gigantic fire blast that not even a water jutsu by itself could counter. Stop underrating Kakuzu's masks. Choji hadn't bloomed at that time. There is no way of truly saying that Choji's jutsu was actually stronger than Jiraiya's Physcial attacks. Yes Wind Mask blew entire chunk of forest but Jiraiya could actually match almost every mask with their weakness. Wind would lose to his fire attacks and so on. Kakashi was at clear disadvantage, since he was trying to compete Kakuzu in his home territory, Assasination. That won't be the case with Jiraiya. Rachin123 wrote:

Base on feats. Kakuzu is faster than base Jiraiya has shown to be, as well in taijutsu. Jiraiya is mostly a ninjutsu user, lets be honest. It's not a big if. Based on which feats? Taijutsu Jiraiya kills those Dogs with just Kicks. Even Fight with Pain Jiraiya was preforming against all 6 of them and it was noted that even than he could easily escape. Kakashi barely could take on one. Rachin123 wrote: The Needle Jizo isn't stopping Kakuzu in his diamond armor. That's just a fact. He's has blown down giant steel doors with a barrier on it with his strength. The Rasengan has got to hit. Jiraiya isn't pulling that off in base, and even then, I'm quite sure that Kakuzu will survive. He survived being crushed by the Two-Tails and a descending Spiky Bullet Tank by Choji. A Big Ball Rasengan ought to do some major damage though. Again, those scenarios only happens in Sage Mode, and him even being able to get in Sage Mode in time is debatable. Jiraiya won't wins this battle without Sage Mode. It's hype to believe otherwise. In previous comment you said that Kakuzu could approach him casually or whenever he wants. I said that won't be the case as Jiraiya would simply counter with Rasengan. Using Rasengan at the last moment is different from actually running around trying to hit people with it. All I am saying is that Kakuzu would fall into a trap if he comes for Close Quarter Combat. Also if you are trying to compare Choji's Powered fist with Rasengan clearly you are forgetting Rasengan's Forte. Rasengan while does causes physical damage, is known to disable people with massive internal injuries. Jiraiya could easily pull of the collaboration stuff you are talking about. He is a master at that. Kakuzu's feat of breaking steel doors could be replicated with Frogs. In fact Naruto breaks a Crystal Structure much stronger and bigger than your typical steel door with Toad Water pistol.