Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-45235418-20200316185119/@comment-43973072-20200410173352

Minato Namikaze, Narutopedia: Minato learned several fūinjutsu from Jiraiya and Kushina This proves that he knew more seals than just those three. And those three are sufficient- if it can seal a biju and not Itachi, what is life. No one is even mentioning that he could summon massive toads from the sky, and when Itachi tries to use kotoamatsukami, he could just contract seal and boom, Itachi can't use crows. The extra numbers have got to count for something, even though Itachi could just Amaterasu. At the very least, chakra usage or distraction. At best, Itachi gets squished and uses susanoo. In a long fight, Itachi is edo so he doesn't lose mangekyo right? Assuming that's true, Minato would try to end the fight quickly. Basically, my thoughts are that Minato runs and teleports around so Itachi can't hit him, and uses too much chakra and Minato just biju bombs and seals. Biju bomb should delay edo recovery by at least an hour maybe, and by that time Minato has sealed him already. At the very least, Minato has to carry around sealing tags that are basically a lock. He could maybe teleport Itachi to mount myoboku and let the toads seal him at least. OrdinaryCat34 wrote: Babyfriend1 wrote: Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: Babyfriend1 wrote: I mean, that all happened within naruto's subconscious. Do you really think itachi just walking around within someone's subconscious would let him escape the seal if nobody actually broke it? Also, why is he not desperate enough to use an unconventional method if his only other option according to you is one that kills himself too?
 * The cage in Naruto's subconscious has the mark seal on it, which represents what the actual seal would look in internally.
 * Why do you think the seal cages the nine tails and not let him run wild?
 * Those seem unlikely to happen and to be used, but anyways sure.

Ninja Of War wrote: What's the point in not excluding people altogether? Because they're not large. We got a sense of what large they're referring to when the kyubbi was sealed. The ability to seal him would just be an extra bonus. I lean more towards the seal working on itachi but there's no reason to argue about it if you agree that at the very least minato still has the senjutsu method of defeating itachi.

Itachi has exploding shadow clones to divert Minato away from gathering natural energy (you have to stay still as well making you vulnerable giving Itachi the flow of the battle). As well as this, Minato doesn't have much experience in senjutsu. Amaterasu could also coat the landscape of battle (like the Itachi vs Sasuke battle) giving Itachi field control. First, the crow clones. I know you said shadow clones, but Itachi would still use them so they have to be addressed. Minato could just release the contract from Itachi like he did with Kurama. It would be a lesser summon, so it would probably be easier. Minato can make clones too, so he might use those as a distraction or to guard the real body. Since he can duplicate tools, he won't run out of kunai in cae someone says that. With field control using Amaterasu, I think guiding thunder might do something about that- like, idk, teleport the entire ground on top of Itachi like a meteor? The amaterasu would just make it worse then. And Itachi would be really careful since he was fighting the literal 4th Hokage, so he wouldn't expend his chakra so carelessly. He would know the fourth would have more chakra than him. The 8 trigrams should work on Itachi because I get the feeling they say large to make sure they know this seal is powerful enough to do this. I don't know if he could seal the susanoo, probably not, but if then the 8 trigrams works and game over since Minato is too fast to let the Totsuka hit him.