Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-37265641-20181022021850/@comment-34194151-20181127095033

1) Lol no, there is proof. You simply ignore it. Chapter 393 pg 8. We clear as day see the yata mirror expanding it's size to deflect the paper bomb explosions. On the panel before and after we can clearly see the yata mirror wasn't covering susano'o head, but now it is fully protecting susano'o head and even expanded to cover the side of susano'o as well, despite only covering the front of the susano'o previously. That's the whole reason why White Zetsu says the SHIELD is deflecting the attack. Databook 3 still accepts your concession. The shield can obviously perceive danger to itachi and change in anyway it needs to protect him and his susano'o.

2) LMAO, no this is flat out wrong. How many times do you see itachi deactivating his susano'o in that fight despite being an edo tensei. He obviously isn't going all out because Izanami and the fact he can't kill kabuto is a bigger restriction. Itachi literally didn't bust out his final susano'o form and you claim that kabuto legitimately harmed itachi? give me a break. Itachi was holding back the whole fight and he still stomped kabuto. Kabuto caught him off guard twice in ways that would never have happened if itachi was going all out, so that's why it's debunked. If Itachi was serious, he would have used his bijuu dama sized yakaska matagama and not those baby matagama he threw at kabuto, boxed kabuto in, and then instead of sasuke's arrow, totsuka blade nails kabuto in the skull. he can throw in his clone feint in there too just to make sure kabuto doesn't see the blade coming.

You missed the point of the diversion as well, the point of the diversion was to immobilize him on the ceiling. after that, kabuto refocused on both itachi and sasuke and went for their weapon. Itachi's clone feint had nothing to do with the matagama and the arrow, and there is no reason both SASUKE AND KABUTO wouldn't have seen him do it. The proof that kabuto didn't sense it despite top tier sage mode sensing is that he legitimately thought he stabbed the real itachi. itachi is just fast and a genius at that clone feint he does.

I accept your concession that itachi tagged kabuto with a regular sword multiple times therefore if he was allowed to use totsuka blade he won the fight.

3)Because, you have gone out of your way to discredit Black Zetsu on technicalities when in reality his statement is backed up by the databook, which gives the explanation for why it's invincible.

4) Kisame was caught in kurenai's genjutsu. He broke it, but there is no evidence that samehada can instantly reverse the effects of genjutsu at itachi's level. In theory, samehada can release kisame from genjutsu using partner method at the very least, so you aren't wrong, but that's only if it can detect when kisame is genjutsu. Either way, Itachi expects his initial/basic genjutsu to be broken, what he is going for is tsykuyomi in any case, which is something samehada cannot reverse the effects of in time. kakashi implied itachi's tsykuyomi can outright kill, and even if it doesn't all itachi has to do is decapitate kisame right after he nails him with it so samehada can't heal kisame back to full health in time, or simply use totsuka.

Itachi literally had time to cast 2 techniques and sheath shuriken against kakashi and kakashi literally couldn't track it at all, all he knew for sure was that itachi casted some seals due to the sharingan. that same kakashi can easily copy kisame's seals as kisame weaves them without issue. That is enough proof for me itachi stomps kisame in jutsu speed department and in speed in general. Furthermore, Itachi's ephermeal only requires him to point at his target. Furthermore, Kisame still has to stand there and pour water out of his mouth, that still gives itachi initiative. So kisame casts his hand seal? great, now he is getting tagged by shuriken and being trapped in itachi's finger genjutsu. if kisame wants to make his next move, he has to be aware of the genjutsu and then break it. Kisame can do it, but that gives the faster itachi more than enough time to do his standard bunshin feint and guarantee that he establishes eye contact with kisame. This fight ends before it begins. Itachi knows too much about kisame's big moves to let kisame get into his flow. Then there is even Demonic Illusion: Mirage crow: This genjutsu traps a victim in a powerful illusion, with no necessary eye contact; similar to Ephemeral, however, direct eye contact can still be applied when using this technique. When used, the genjutsu projects a torrent of crows, leaving the opponent at the user's mercy.

Itachi can choose any one of those genjutsu as part of his opening feint. Kisame can't block shuriken, cast his water technique, stand there barfing out water, and break the genjutsu all at the same time, he  is gonna get disrupted and gonna get caught in tsykuyomi. the water dome would resolve during this but kisame wouldn't be able to initiate a proper counter attack. What's worse is that itachi's techniques that I have listed here only require one handsign, which he weaves faster than kisame can, and in the case of genjutsu, genjutsu affects the target instantly.

Sasuke and itachi were in a heated shuriken clash and itachi still had time to weave a sign that sasuke couldn't track.

Adding in totsuka blade is spite.

5) lmao no. There is a big difference between a gag feat and a feat achieved in a serious fight. kakashi was just surprised naruto had the guts to use that when the fate of the world was on the line. Sakura was also surprised that it worked, and even sasuke said that technique is not something he expected to work, but it worked lmao. Kaguya literally almost got sealed away because of that so no, she is inexperienced. There is a reason why naruto never bothered using that technique against Madara, ever, because he knew madara was too experienced for that. That wasn't even the only tactical error she made in that fight, black zetsu had to hold her hand through basic decisions, like using common sense to separate naruto and sasuke. if one of them is trapped in another dimension she literally can't lose and yet she didn't think of that on her own. She is very obviously inexperienced. If she was as experienced as you claimed, there is no reason why she can't make a solid decision on which dimension to switch to in the final clash, and even forgets where sakura was and gets tagged by her despite being a gillion times faster than sakura and having near 360 degree vision. All she had to do was fly backward and not upward and then make her next move. She was also worried about sasuke's amaterasu, but that wasn't important. The ice immediately freezes her targets and then she can use her vacuum palms to blow them to pieces. naruto and sasuke may escape via amaterasu again via support from DMS kakashi, but at least she doesn't get sealed away, and she can easily then switch to the acid dimension after that and try a new tactic.

6) There is a problem with timing. Kaguya flies up to the moon, then HUGE TOMOE appear before she casts it. and there was still a delay before the technique goes off. Anyone can tell something big is going off. Itachi isn't restricted by plot nor does he have a reason to hold back against this opponent in this particular fight, so he is elevating to his yata mirror. He should have enough time to get to complete body susano'o for that. The light won't be penetrating through yata and instead would reflect off of it, and because yata changes it's properties, it should become a 360 sphere to block the light out. light is still energy and has a radiation pressure, plus it's clear the yata mirror is sentient because it doesn't randomly change it's attributes to regular stuff like air molecules hitting susano'o, it clearly changed it's attributes once it sensed an actual attack, something that could in theory harm itachi (kunai paper bombs).