Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-28731007-20160627160729/@comment-28247797-20160714021505

@Rachin123 Kakashi making Rasengan and Tsunade making her technique are two entirely different things. Kakashi attempted to make a Rasengan when he infused lightning element into the mix and got something entirely different. He is the inventor of Chidori/Lightning blade despite it being unintentional. Tsunade's seal is something HEAVILY inspired by Hashirama, they both become immortal but the difference is Hashirama's is better hence it doesn't have any drawbacks (Tsunade shortens her lifespan with each useage.) and he can use it without weaving any sort of handsigns or seals and it can regenerate missing limbs while Tsunade's can't. Hell, when Madara saw Tsunade use it for the first time he instantly compared it to Hashirama's jutsu. It's pretty much the dumbed down version of it.

And of course I kept saying she would've died because you said "She was able to take down a Susanoo humanoid version with strength alone." So, the point I was making is that she would've died a few times over before she was even able to take it down. For the record, you also stated "Tsunade proved to be well in good when it came to dealing with ninjutsu like when she repelled the fire dragons with her chakra coated arm." Because you were saying I "put words." in your mouth when I refuted this earlier. Me saying Tsunade wasn't Kage level was in response to you defending her as shown above and this "Why doesn't she have what it takes to protect her village? Because one of the most powerful Akatsuki members destroyed Konoha." That's what you said, I had actually never mentioned the Akatsuki before you did. All I simply said was that she doesn't have what it takes to defend her village because she lacks firepower and isn't impressive from a combat standpoint. But Pain attacking the village is a great example. If any Akatsuki member attacked the village (Aside from Konan and Hidan.) And Tsunade had to deal with them in a 1v1 scenario, you cannot tell me with a straight face she'd be able to beat them. Akatsuki's are great examples because they represent mid-tiered people very well.

Any of the Kage would fair better against Pain and any Akatsuki member than Tsunade would. She and Sakura healed people, but Naruto is the one who ultimately defeated Pain. Something Tsunade wasn't capable of doing, I will agree that he's the strongest but had it been Kakuzu, Itachi, Kisame, Deidara, etc she still would've lost handidly. Her dealing damage to Susano'o isn't impressive, Ay was able to. Onoki could absolutely destroy one with a particle release, same with Mei with her acid and lava techs and hell Gaara can pull a Susano'o user out of the technique. He's nearly a walking anti-Uchiha seeing as though he can also intercept Amateratsu.

See here's the thing. It depends on who you're comparing Tsunade too, if you compare Tsunade with other people who use taijutsu and other Kage tier she doesn't stand too well because it's not where she belongs. She is average in speed, but being strong and having okay speed isn't good enough for you to be a Kage. She isn't on par with Kimimaro in terms of coordination, speed and stamina, so while she's okay generally it's bad in comparison to Kimimaro and most other taijutsu users. I'd argue Kimimaro is deadlier in close quarters combat, he has the speed to bring with his attacks and his strength doesn't really matter due to his dense bones that can insta-kill you pending on where they hit since they're as hard as steel. Not only that but his bones also make it hard to go on the offensive because you damage yourself in the process of hitting him. When it comes to Tsunade It's like what Goku said, what's the point in being so strong if you can't hit your opponent? Tsunade's opponent being Kimimaro. Being Immortal is nice, but look at Hidan. Being Immortal won't magically make you formidable. Eh, Tsunade isn't formidable for Kage tier. She's okay outside of it but I'm still sticking with Kimimaro. Also her changing the landscape doesn't give her the advantage, it simple makes the opponent advantagous-less or put them on even ground in terms of location. If that makes sense.