Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34277398-20190315034807/@comment-34277398-20190315182135

AsianReaper wrote: Both Jiraiya and the 4th praised Minato as unsurpassed.

In terms of all of them in 1v1s, I think the only one who gives has a chance of beating Minato is Killer Bee. His Acrobat overwhelmed a Sharingan user, his raw strength surpassed 4th Raikage's. And his Tailed Beast form will be difficult for Minato to deal with. Minato can slice through his tentacles like he did in their first encounter, but there's more than one tentacle in Tailed Beast mode. He can handle Tailed Beast Balls, but probably can't indefinitely because everywhere he'd teleport it to would destroy the corresponding mark.

So in terms of top dog in 1v1s, I'm leaning with Killer Bee, and Minato follows close behind.

With Jiraiya and Ay, I don't really have an opinion but I'm interested in what others say on those two.

Minato vs Jiraiya, Minato. Jiraiya, Kakashi, and Ay all considered him unsurpassed. When Hiruzen noted that no one in Leaf could stand up to Orochimaru, Anko said "If 4th was still alive..." She didn't say "If Jiraiya were still here."

Jiraiya and Bee, I think Bee takes it based on sheer destructive capabilities. Jiraiya probably has solid defense against Acrobat (his hair thing) and his Sage Mode would put him in the same ballpark physically too. But the 8 Tails would probably be too much for Jiraiya, even with Gamabunta, who struggled against Shukaku. I feel like Anko said that, she was referring to in old Hiruzen's place. I also feel like had Minato not placed his tag on B, Ay would've hit him. I think I mentioned this in the other thread also, but Ay's fist was a couple inches away from Minato's cheek when Minato teleported to B. If the fight continued Minato would've had no unmarked or noted places to teleport to. Even with the surprise tag on B, B got Minato in the stomach. I also don't know how any of these people would react to Jiraiya's summoning toad crush. Most of the people here are short-range attackers. When they come close up to Jiraiya he can use some of his OP reverse summonings on them. For that reason I order them 1) Jiraiya 2) Killer Bee 3) Minato (I still think Raikage could've gotten him in that fight, but Raikage also admitted inferiority to Minato) 4) Raikage