Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-38812954-20190831032416/@comment-38812954-20190922121327

Man I can't help but argue with you. You're so stubborn to the obvious. Imma forget my frustration and answer your points.

"Again, broad, over-generalizing, and just wrong."

Maybe I to am suffering from the curse of hatred and my feelings toward them won't change unless they prove them wrong.

"Empathizing doesn't mean I agree with you. Just because you see two sides, doesn't mean I have to agree, yet somehow you're getting worked up about "factual thinkers" because I don't agree with you."

It's a term I use to describe them straight off of impression. Since they so feel that they are sages of human conduct and feel that most of their lame opinions are so called "facts". That's what I'll call them straight off of impression. Overtime I'll get a new term for it, if I just research a few words and concepts.

"This is your example? That's literally an opinion and not fact-based at all. Fact based would be knowing if someone's technique at say, violin wasn't very good. But saying they'd never get better isn't a fact-based thing like you're claiming. Being opinionated isn't a bad thing, you just gotta remember to keep them separate from facts."

Exactly. See, you understand. I'm showing you how they operate. I'll use your example and show you how they're short sighted in terms of judging. It's a fact that at the moment you're bad at the violin, but it's another fact that there is a reason why you are bad. Maybe you started late. And those who started before you would obviously be better because of all the time and effort they put in before you. But it's also another fact that if you have the same passion and dedication and put in the same time and effort and work, you could become just as skilled as the people who did the same shit to become skilled but only before you. (this only if you have the capacity to get better. Reference to the differently-abled) This is long sightedness. Opinionated and sound. Not opinionated and degrading.

"For example, it's my opinion that rock music is better than country music. But that doesn't make rock music objectively better, and I know that. The only real thing you can objectively judge about both is the technical skill displayed."

Absolutely right

"I already addressed this point. As Sasuke gathers his chakra to the point where it'd be anywhere powerful enough to be dangerous, Naruto senses it and responds. You say he's in a position where he doesn't have time to respond, but why is that? He's physically faster than Sasuke and has sensing and predictive abilities far above the Sharingan. He already reacted to Sasuke trying to use it as a surprise attack, not as a built up attack. And guess what happened? Naruto blocked it, without even using Sage Mode."

LOL. Yet he failed to atleast move out of the way of a long distance punch from isshiki. So much for supernatural sensing. And my attack with amaterasu would be even closer yet you still think he can dodge it. And if I were like you, only going by what the series presents (being so fact based and not imaginative) I wouldn't think that Naruto not being able to dodge that was a plot hole. And if you dare back up for isshiki and say, "oh he's on another level he's super powerful." You'd be so contradictory. In any event let's say I agree with you on all fronts that naruto's sensing capabilities is supernatural. Now imagine. Imagine if madara's light fang had a wider scope and radius granting it a larger diameter. Let's say like tien's solar flare from dbz, or pains almighty push vs Orochimaru. Even if Naruto sensed the attack coming do you think he would've been able to just move out of the way? Madara's light fang was puny radiused and diametered. That's why he was able to just flick his body out of the way of it. But he would never just flick his body out of the way if the attack had a larger diameter. It's just like the attack I concocted with amaterasu. He'd dodge right into it.

""My facts" They're not mine lol. I don't own facts. They're just pieces of evidence from the series."

Lool wow.

"Flame Control, no matter what the form, has less piercing properties than Lightning Release. That's why Sasuke's strongest attack was Indra's Arrow, not some beam of Amaterasu."

His strongest attack with additional tailed beast chakra. On his own, it's either a weaker (compared to indras arrow) but still strong lightning or flame control arrow or arrows. Or kirin. This attack I never said would be his strongest attack. But I do admit it would be one of them.

"What you're calling "deeper insight" isn't deeper insight. It's called grasping at straws."

More like using my imagination to amplify the fact that amaterasu can change is form and, "Here's what my imagination is devising for me again. Even though the amaterasu when shot out in a basic way and on contact burns at a jogging pace it still hits its target intensely. Pool together all of our examples (yours and mine) it is utterly undeniable that in each an every case that the amaterasu is fired it hits intensely. Using that as a reference. Imagine now the amaterasu being fired out in the way I described? It's like throwing a stone vs shooting a bullet. Hurricane winds vs large building structures and you know exactly how that goes. The susanoo is basically a visual representation of the extent and capacity of sasuke's chakra. With it being as big as naruto's kurama avatar. Sasuke in his CBS (especially) does have the power to put the necessary force behind the attack I devised for him. You underestimate sasuke and the amaterasu."

"You're not seeing new things based on things you've already seen. You're seeing things that wouldn't make sense in the context of the series but would look cool."

My reply above answers this^ And as if kishimoto when he concocted all the jutsu in the series, didn't think they would be or look cool. But that being one aspect of making up jutsu. Effectiveness is another.

"Sasuke can't put the necessary force behind the attack, because that's how the story depicts Naruto and Sasuke. Naruto is the brute force and raw power, Sasuke is the cunning and tactical fighter. They're not suddenly going to beat each other at their own game."

Extremely glad that I found this, "Keep in mind though, a couple explanations for your points can be explained;

Sasuke's fireball jutsu when he is as powerful as he is empowered by 6 paths power may very well be more powerful than 5 Bijuu bombs in terms of forward force (especially since the fireball has less surface area). In terms of Shunshining out of the way, I've seen Naruto block attacks as many times as Shunshining away. In fact, he blocked Ay several times before finally dodging instead. And while many of Naruto's feats have been ignored, Sasuke's have been too. If Sasuke's Chidori has proven penetrating enough to bisect Juubi Madara, how did Naruto tank Sasuke's Chidori in Vote? If Sasuke can simply teleport subjects and weapons into each other, why not do that with Naruto? If Sasuke has the Genjutsu capabilities to simultaneously put 9 Tailed Beasts into Genjutsu with a glance, why didn't Sasuke do that as soon as Naruto went Kurama mode? If Sasuke can sense Naruto across dimensions, how did he not sense Naruto's clone gathering massive amounts of Nature Energy for Naruto? They both have their inconsistencies in their showings. Point is, the story and characters have constantly noted them to be equal, with only Naruto's unyielding resolve and motivation winning him the fight (from a story standpoint)." And you see what I'm talking about? "Sasuke can't put the necessary force behind the attack, because that's how the story depicts Naruto and Sasuke." Citation from one of my paragraphs, "Same thing I said. Just because you've never seen it in the anime or Manga you neglect it being possible. And not really, sasuke's flame control arrow vs one of the ten tails body creations had a good amount of force (not as much but..) behind it, because of its change in chakra form. And see why imagination is more important than facts? With facts just being a supplementer to your imagination? With that significant power boost he should be able to pull it off. You underestimate sasuke and the amaterasu (Plus the rasenshuriken inside the flame control didn't even explode like it should have. We only saw effects of the amaterasu on the ten tails. The shit got disintegrated as it hit, so much for burning slow as heck or like vinegar). Factual thinkers are more times out of most superficial thinkers. But a notable quality is that they are very shrewd. Deeper insight makes you see things that you wouldn't really see. Regarding things that you have already seen but managing to see other things because of what you saw. Hence with you believing that sasuke can't put the necessary force behind the attack I invented for him, disregarding the significant power boost he got. Only going by what you saw. With how amaterasu burns (which you are totally wrong with) and the amount of force he has put behind any attack with amaterasu. With the power he has he should be able to do it." Another citation from one of my paragraphs, "The susanoo is basically a visual representation of the extent and capacity of sasuke's chakra. With it being as big as naruto's kurama avatar. Sasuke in his CBS (especially) does have the power to put the necessary force behind the attack I devised for him. You underestimate sasuke and the amaterasu."

"I'm not totally wrong about Amaterasu (it's interesting how you're so annoyed by factual thinkers, yet you keep claiming your opinion as fact)."

Yep you are, " Here's what my imagination is devising for me again. Even though the amaterasu when shot out in a basic way and on contact burns at a jogging pace it still hits its target intensely. Pool together all of our examples (yours and mine) it is utterly undeniable that in each an every case that the amaterasu is fired it hits intensely. Using that as a reference. Imagine now the amaterasu being fired out in the way I described? It's like throwing a stone vs shooting a bullet. Hurricane winds vs large building structures and you know exactly how that goes. The susanoo is basically a visual representation of the extent and capacity of sasuke's chakra. With it being as big as naruto's kurama avatar. Sasuke in his CBS (especially) does have the power to put the necessary force behind the attack I devised for him. You underestimate sasuke and the amaterasu." My opinion is more like something that's so obvious but you just don't want to accept it. Being intentionally blind.

"How did Naruto avoid the 4th Raikage? he was faster. How did Naruto avoid the Third Raikage? He sensed him. How did Naruto avoid Naruto's Limbo Clone? He sensed him coming. And Naruto can't see Limbo Clones, so you know he wasn't expecting it, but he dodged it anyways. So yeah, Naruto would sense the build up of chakra and react accordingly"

One of my replies, replies to this.

"It doesn't matter if he sees it spam on Sasuke's hand, he can still sense chakra. This guy landed in Konoha and could tell out of everyone in the village, Kakashi was not there. His senses are that refined in Toad Sage Mode. He's going to sense a massive surge of chakra that's right in front of him."

One of my replies, replies to this.

"Again, his sensing allows him predictive capabilities. He senses what Sasuke is doing with his chakra, so of course he'd beef up his chakra Avatar prior."

One of my replies........

"You literally can't tell me how Sasuke fires a technique with more force than he ever showed, even against true threats like Kaguya or Momshiki or Kinshiki or even Jigen. You literally can't, but somehow I'm wrong for pointing out that Sasuke doesn't have that firepower."

And you see what I'm talking about? "Sasuke can't put the necessary force behind the attack, because that's how the story depicts Naruto and Sasuke." Citation from one of my paragraphs, "Same thing I said. Just because you've never seen it in the anime or Manga you neglect it being possible. And not really, sasuke's flame control arrow vs one of the ten tails body creations had a good amount of force (not as much but..) behind it, because of its change in chakra form. And see why imagination is more important than facts? With facts just being a supplementer to your imagination? With that significant power boost he should be able to pull it off. You underestimate sasuke and the amaterasu (Plus the rasenshuriken inside the flame control didn't even explode like it should have. We only saw effects of the amaterasu on the ten tails. The shit got disintegrated as it hit, so much for burning slow as heck or like vinegar). Factual thinkers are more times out of most superficial thinkers. But a notable quality is that they are very shrewd. Deeper insight makes you see things that you wouldn't really see. Regarding things that you have already seen but managing to see other things because of what you saw. Hence with you believing that sasuke can't put the necessary force behind the attack I invented for him, disregarding the significant power boost he got. Only going by what you saw. With how amaterasu burns (which you are totally wrong with) and the amount of force he has put behind any attack with amaterasu. With the power he has he should be able to do it." Another citation from one of my paragraphs, "The susanoo is basically a visual representation of the extent and capacity of sasuke's chakra. With it being as big as naruto's kurama avatar. Sasuke in his CBS (especially) does have the power to put the necessary force behind the attack I devised for him. You underestimate sasuke and the amaterasu."

"No, Juubito said he sensed Sasuke amassing chakra in his left eye. Even Nagato could sense when Itachi was going to use Amaterasu. And that was a small attack. Naruto could sense a bigger attack. And no, the view can't see Sasuke doing that because there's no panel of it. Sasuke literally just attacked out of nowhere. Didn't even run at Juubito at that point. This attack was before Naruto and Sasuke combined attacks."

Imma go watch it agen.

"No, no matter how much you want it to be, "obviousness" is not evidence."

In these particular scenes it is.

"No, your scenario is Sasuke builds up way more chakra to do a large scale attack that has less piercing capabilities than Light Fang. So no, not like your scenario."

One of my replies...

"Where do you think this force comes from? It comes from his chakra lol, are you serious? He just doesn't have the chakra necessary to blast through Naruto's defenses. Naruto can take hits from something that sliced the moon in half, without Kurama's Avatar, and with a lot of Kurama's chakra fighting independently from himself."

And you see what I'm talking about? "Sasuke can't put the necessary force behind the attack, because that's how the story depicts Naruto and Sasuke." Citation from one of my paragraphs, "Same thing I said. Just because you've never seen it in the anime or Manga you neglect it being possible. And not really, sasuke's flame control arrow vs one of the ten tails body creations had a good amount of force (not as much but..) behind it, because of its change in chakra form. And see why imagination is more important than facts? With facts just being a supplementer to your imagination? With that significant power boost he should be able to pull it off. You underestimate sasuke and the amaterasu (Plus the rasenshuriken inside the flame control didn't even explode like it should have. We only saw effects of the amaterasu on the ten tails. The shit got disintegrated as it hit, so much for burning slow as heck or like vinegar). Factual thinkers are more times out of most superficial thinkers. But a notable quality is that they are very shrewd. Deeper insight makes you see things that you wouldn't really see. Regarding things that you have already seen but managing to see other things because of what you saw. Hence with you believing that sasuke can't put the necessary force behind the attack I invented for him, disregarding the significant power boost he got. Only going by what you saw. With how amaterasu burns (which you are totally wrong with) and the amount of force he has put behind any attack with amaterasu. With the power he has he should be able to do it." Another citation from one of my paragraphs, "The susanoo is basically a visual representation of the extent and capacity of sasuke's chakra. With it being as big as naruto's kurama avatar. Sasuke in his CBS (especially) does have the power to put the necessary force behind the attack I devised for him. You underestimate sasuke and the amaterasu."

"Sasuke doesn't have the force necessary to send an attack like that that'll have that effect like that on Naruto."

My last reply....

"Dude. No duh Obito would be burned. That's not the point at all. The point is, as Shinobi, Amaterasu does not burn too fast for them to react and apply whatever abilities they have to escape. If they don't have what it takes to escape? Yes, they die. Or cut off the affected limb. But every Shinobi of note has been able to sufficently react to amaterasu even if the burning began on their person, like their clothes."

My how amaterasu hits intensely argument...

"His mind was being controlled by Kabuto, who at the same time was managing literally every other Edo Tensei. And Kabuto is nowhere near as fast or formidable with the Rinnegan as nagato is, so that's why that's a factor. Amaterasu burned like an arm and a leg while Nagato just fell and lied there for a sec. If Nagato was in fontrol, he'd be done dispelling the flames before he hit the ground."

They had they're free will and he controlled specifically who ever he wanted to use. You remember and know that that's possible right? And that's what happened? Your facts are slowly failing you now man. Your 'context of the series' to.

"No, the Ten Tails very clearly did not get disintegrated"

It's flesh that dropped off eventually did. And the hit was intense and the burning made it scream. Imagine my attack now.

"You literally are avoiding my question, what are you on about? If Sasuke can't summon the Gedo statue, it doesn't matter."

Citation from you, "If Sasuke can sense Naruto across dimensions, how did he not sense Naruto's clone gathering massive amounts of Nature Energy for Naruto? They both have their inconsistencies in their showings. Point is, the story and characters have constantly noted them to be equal, with only Naruto's unyielding resolve and motivation winning him the fight (from a story standpoint)."

If he can do that, why can't he summon it?

"You said I displayed short sightedness, so that's calling me short sighted. You also called me a "factual thinker" and then described all factual thinker as "short sighted" among some other oddly insulting things. I mean, I don't mind you insulting me so it doesn't matter much to me, but just because you're being indirect about it doesn't mean you aren't insulting."

It was displayed in that particular scenario. Overall I doubt you are. True. Those insults though are truly directed at my experiences. You just happened in some moments in this argument to display some of the things I experienced. Again I have nothing against you. It's actually the opposite. You are the most persistent debater I've ever had the chance to debate with. And as I've said already. You have comebacks with sharp points.

"Shin's weapons. Those little pieces of metal. You're using those as a feat. Lol okay."

The slow burner the amaterasu, burns through metal so fast. Of course I'm using it as a feat.

"Sasuke reacted to the fireball getting burned, so my point still stands. Jogging pace is incredibly slow to Shinobi."

My how amaterasu hits intensely argument..

"Again, it didn't display much force against the Ten Tails or its little body creations."

You're not thinking of the scene I'm thinking of. But that's not important forget this.

"Uh, it didn't get through Juubito's rod so idk why that's an example you're using."

My how amaterasu hits intensely argument..

"you keep bringing up Hagoromo's chakra and idk why. Let's say Sasuke is a 5 in terms of power and chakra ad Naruto is a 10. The both receive the same power up of "10" from Hagoromo. Now, Sasuke is a 15, but Naruto is now a 20. Naruto still has more in his reserves than Sasuke"

My susanoo being a representation of the extent and capacity of sasuke's chakra argument...

"Yes, amaterasu cannot be pulled off like that in my opinion, and whatever Sasuke attempted in the same vein as your technique would fail because Sasuke's lesser firepower compared to Naruto's defenses, Naruto's sensing, and the slow burning rate of Amaterasu."

Two of my replies, replies to this... And,"The slow burner the amaterasu, burns through metal so fast. Of course I'm using it as a feat."

"To answer your question about the Gedo (that wouldn't be summoned, but for some reason you think that me telling you your scenrarios make no sense means I don't have an argument), no, Naruto wouldn't have trouble with Gedo. considering her overpowered it with SM and just a little bit of Kurama's chakra when he was in close range to it and stabbed with a black receiver. But again, Gedo is a nonfactor unless you gimme some evidence that Sasuke can summon it out od Kaguya's dimension and still be alright to fight."

Citation from you, "If Sasuke can sense Naruto across dimensions, how did he not sense Naruto's clone gathering massive amounts of Nature Energy for Naruto? They both have their inconsistencies in their showings. Point is, the story and characters have constantly noted them to be equal, with only Naruto's unyielding resolve and motivation winning him the fight (from a story standpoint)."

If he can do that, why can't he summon it?

"No, you haven't proved anything. Nothing indicates that Sasuke has the force necessary to beat Naruto's cloak"

Looool

"You ignored my question. Why wouldn't Sasuke use that much power against Kaguya? Momshiki? Jigen?"

LOL cuz it's a jutsu I invented and one the writers probably never thought of. Even though its possible. I bet if it were in plot no jutsu it would work.

"You say it's like throwing a stone against firing a bullet. But Sasuke doesn't have the power to fire your bullet in your analogy. Otherwise, he would have used against Kaguya or Momshiki or Jigen."

Looool.

"Do you see discussions as one beating the other? That's very telling of you. No, your evidence doesn't support what you're saying, that's all. I don't really care if you "had points." It doesn't matter to me because I can't see them. Sorry your phone acted up, but you saying you had points doesn't exactly lead to any meaningful talk. You're so glad you found proof that I see both sides of a story and have proven that I'm unbiased? That's good. Hopefully you'll use that realization to realize I don't care if you're beaten or I'm beaten. It literally doesn't matter who wins, I'm just pointing out flaws in your argument and your scenarios, that's all."

Loooool.

Ps. I'm finished