Talk:Susanoo

Image request
Could someone upload a good quality image of Itachi's Susanoo's sword from Chapter 585. His sword appears on the 2nd last page. I was hoping to replace the current anime version as its of his susanoo incorrectly wielding the Sword of Totsuka insted. Thanks in advance. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 17:36, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * I have the colored volume containing that chapter but I don't know how to save it... If someone wanted to explain how to do that I would gladly do it. I'm using the Japanese E-Book reader to view it if that is needed to be known.--Narutofox94 (talk) 17:40, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * @Narutofox, make a screenshot of the page and upload it here if you can.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg JOA20 17:43, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * @Narutofox, Most computers have a print screen button somewhere. If you Google the type of computer you have, you can find out what button it is and then be able to get a image of whatevers on you're screen at the time. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 18:08, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * I use the snipping tool that came with my computer but I get this error trying to upload it "The title "File:ItachiSwordColoredManga.PNG" has been banned from creation. It matches the following blacklist entry: ^File:[^ ]{15,}\.(jpe?g|png|svg)$" Also the ebook reader refuses to take a screenshot of it from doing CRTL PRTSC.--Narutofox94 (talk) 18:22, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Snapshot your image with just pressing PRTSC without using CTRL and rename it with something like "ItachiSwordColoredManga.PNG" and that'll work. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 18:30, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Again Japan Ebook refuses to let me do that. I know that the wiki only lets PNG files be used so I saved it a PNG file. Also I'm using the Snipping Tool which has been the only way I've been able to capture it but the wiki won't let me upload it.--Narutofox94 (talk) 18:51, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * You can request that the manga image we had before be restored. It was tankobōn versioned (English?). Sarutobi is right, we have an inacurate depiction of Itachi's sword in the article.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 20:15, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * @Cerez I would gladly add the colored manga version but as I have mentioned before I keep getting a error trying to upload it. Screenshots are also blocked by the Ebook program. If anybody can tell me what that error means so that I can avoid it, I would appreciate it. This was the error btw "The title "File:ItachiSwordColoredManga.PNG" has been banned from creation. It matches the following blacklist entry: ^File:[^ ]{15,}\.(jpe?g|png|svg)$"--Narutofox94 (talk) 20:20, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Don't capitalize the file extension? ~SnapperTo 20:25, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

I finally got it, I just made the file name shorter and it worked. This is it. I don't know how to include it as just a blue word url link. I also can give you guys Itachi's Skeleton Susanoo from the manga as the anime one is bad.--Narutofox94 (talk) 20:32, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * C'est bien. Make the switch.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 20:35, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Here is what I think is a good replacement for Itachi's Skeleton Susanoo Too make this easier for people I have voluemes 25, 26, 42, 43, 51, 58, 59, 60, and 61 in digital color.--Narutofox94 (talk) 20:45, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * What should we do? Itachi's Susanoo is colored differently between manga and anime. While the images @Narutodox94 uploaded are digitally colored, they follow Kishimoto's colorings closer than the anime does.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg JOA20 21:45, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * I've asked why we don't just use colored manga images before, and I was told that we only use colored manga images if we have to replace a black and white manga image with it. Otherwise, we'll use anime images. So I think the current image for Itachi's skeletal Susanoo stays, though I would prefer colored manga over anime, it's not up to me. • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 22:00, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why do we use anime pictures over colored manga pictures?(Kuroiraikou (talk) 00:30, October 27, 2014 (UTC))
 * Do you know anyone with all colored manga issues? • WindStar7125   WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 00:43, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Susanoo jutsu's
So on the Susanoo page, we have a weapon section so i was wondering would it be worth making a section for Jutsu's that Sasanoo utilities and add images like this and this. Thoughts? --Bio havik (talk) 06:56, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Susanoo with tail beast power
Did sasuke absorb the tail beast in his susanoo permanently or was it temporary to attack naruto?--Ankhael (talk) 18:49, November 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * Temporary, all the chakra went into Indra's Arrow--Elve Talk Page 10:19, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

So does susanoo still have the beast within him?, I know he used Indra's Arrow, but before he used that attack he absorb the Tailed beasts chakra into one into susanoo like Gado statue, so could one say that the beast(s) is now trapped(sealed) within susanoo? --Ankhael (talk) 14:07, November 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * No, he took just some of their chakra, the beasts are still sealed in chibaku tensei--Elve Talk Page 14:08, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Why shouldn't Complete Body Susanoo require the EMS or Six Path Chakra?
Seriously, the only people who have achieved it have had either. We can infer Indra had the latter due to being a direct descendant to Hagoromo, thus he and Asura both inherited the Six Path Chakra. And Kakashi was also only able to use Complete Body - Susanoo after receiving Obito's Six Path chakra a point he explicitly commented on (and shown when his Raikiri turned black). And It was alluded that Complete Body - Susanoo was the new 'jutsu' that Eternal Mangekyo Users receive from gaining both sets of eyes, with Sasuke and Madara being the only Uchiha capable of using it due to achieving the EMS. Itachi with a sole Mangekyo Sharingan and without any Six Path enhancement could get his Susanoo no where close to what EMS users or Six Path users could, so its quite clear that its either the eyes or the chakra that awakens that form of Susanoo.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:02, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * So your stance is Sasuke/Madara had Six Paths Chakra because they're Indra's incarnation's, and because Indra himself had Six Path's Chakra? Nah,that sounds like a reach.If this were the case Sasuke/Madara would have Rinnegan since birth.The most likely explanation- is that PS requires massive amounts of chakra which can only be gained if you have EMS or Rikudou Chakra as a battery. --Vacent (talk) 19:37, April 3, 2015 (UTC)--Vacent (talk) 19:41, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * ^What he said, sounds exactly like a reach. All of that, SuperSaiyaMan, was inferred by you, and never stated anywhere. Therefore, we can't say for sure. And none of that was in the databook. 19:43, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Only logical thing shown yet, is large enough chakra levels and enough mastery of Susanoo and you can get to that point.. that would seem to be the only reason Itachi did not showcase that is he did not have the chakra levels. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 21:07, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * But this isn't something that doesn't need to be said. And no Vacent, Sasuke and Madara were only able to, at first be able to use the Complete Body - Susanoo due to having achieved the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan. Kakashi was able to use the technique, as he said he had obtained it, Obito's Six Path Chakra. Indra being a direct descendant, Hagoromo's fricking son to have Six Path chakra. All I'm saying that from what the manga has shown is that the Mangekyo Sharingan alone isn't able to accomplish the feat. Even Itachi said the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan allowed the user to access a new jutsu and power than the ordinary Mangekyo can't do.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:46, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * I really don't get why you bring up these weird discussions on the talkpage when you should know that talkpages are about improving the article. This is just some discussion that belongs on the forums. Also, don't insert your replies in between other people's messages, keep it chronological please. --Sajuuk talk 21:49, April 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Talk pages are also for discussing edits and/or editing disputes for the related article. SuperSaiyaMan made an edit to the article, the edit was reverted, so he started this discussion. His actions are entirely appropriate. ~SnapperTo 23:29, April 3, 2015 (UTC)

Had another thought recently in giving Complete Body - Susanoo its own article, instead of grouping it here since it looked like Databook 4 treated it as a separate technique. Just like Majestic Attire: Susanoo, so it shouldn't be a problem, would it?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:59, April 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it's unnecessary separating them.--Kuroiraikou (talk) 04:11, April 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe it could just get its own subsection under Development? We haven't split Kurama Mode off from Nine-Tails Chakra Mode either, and it's basically in the same boat as Complete Body - Susanoo. Whatever we decide to do with one should also be done with the other.--BeyondRed (talk) 04:58, April 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * I could have decided to make Complete Body - Susanoo an article. I decided not to and made it a redirect for this reason: The Susanoo page is supposed to showcase all stages of the technique for each user.
 * However, for Kakashi and Indra, the Complete Body - Susanoo is the only stage for them. If we decide to do things "just like Majestic Attire: Susanoo" and separate CB - Susanoo from this article, it would literally strip this article of the entire sections for Kakashi and Indra.
 * Therefore, I opted to make CB - Susanoo a redirect.
 * EDIT: And agree with Snapper, I'd rather have you address things like this on the talkpage first and only so we don't have to switch between this and the forums. 16:43, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

blue kakashi susanoo?
where's that colour image from? theres no source for a reference given

Hadrimon (talk) 09:43, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Shueisha's official color release. • Seelentau 愛 議 09:47, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not canon though.--Elve Talk Page 11:37, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * As canon as it gets. Only Kishi's own colors are more canon. • Seelentau 愛 議 11:50, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
 * Or rather only Kishi's own colors are canon ^_ anything else is essentially fan-interpretation no matter how official.--Elve Talk Page 14:24, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, you could say the same about the anime and still we use the anime's pictures for everything. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:29, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * Which reminds me- even if the anime does not color it blue, would we still use the anime image when it is released?--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 15:15, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. Considering it isn't straight from Kishi, the blue coloring would probably be moved to trivia (Not a mod, just a longtime user making an informed opinion).15:37,7/29/2015 15:37, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

Itachi & Shisui confirmed to have Perfect Susanoo's
Link to scan--DC52 (talk) 10:58, October 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * No, they don't. They never achieved that form in the manga or anime, thus they don't have it. Its only in Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 they have it, and that's game-only content too boot.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:51, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * They're not canon, but no reason not to include their pictures in the article when we can just add (game only) next to them. Shisui's Susanoo wasn't even canon in the first place.--BeyondRed (talk) 20:06, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * But his showed up in an OVA, elevating it to anime. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:23, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Whats wrong with including the images in the Itachi and Shisui section in the article, and acknowledge in the image description that there game only? --Sarada Uzumaki (talk) 22:31, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't oppose adding info of them to the article, but not in their users' respective sections. That would imply they are canon, which they are not. They should go in the trivia section, where other game related information regarding Susanoo is already listed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:38, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * The form is canon, but the usage isn't. Could always just put a note in the description that it isn't canon. --Sarada Uzumaki (talk) 22:57, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

The things is that Kishimoto himself designed these forms. So even though Itachi and Shisui presumably never achieved Kanseitai Susanoo in the manga or anime, this is what they would have looked like if they did. So long as it's made clear the forms were only ever used in a video game, what would be the issue with putting them under the users' sections, perhaps with the information being confined to a separate paragraph?--BeyondRed (talk) 23:35, October 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Considering it's been over a month since this has been last discussed, would it be fair to request that the "separate paragraph" include a description of the respective Susanoo's appearance? I know that the nature of out-of-canon material would put be superfluous on different pages (movie-only Rasengan being a notable one) if not opening the discussion to a lot of other things. However, if it was only on this page, I don't think it's out of the question.Lokker G (talk) 00:11, November 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * Why does the appearance need to be described if the picture is right there? ~SnapperTo 06:09, November 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * People gave detailed descriptions of how the other forms' faces were designed. It genuinely feels out of place to have their images and not be given the same details as the in-canon forms. I'll drop this, but I just wanted to clarify my opinion.Lokker G (talk) 19:38, February 28, 2016 (UTC)

Canon
I think we should use the colored manga images of Itachis Susanoo. the Red color is non-canon. and looks bad in the anime anyways.--AskinNakkLeVaar (talk) 22:38, November 19, 2015 (UTC)

bump. I mean youd have to be completly blind to think this is better than this--AskinNakkLeVaar (talk) 21:56, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree the correct colors should be used if they can.--Elve Talk Page 22:36, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * The yellow colour is from where? Shueisha's own colour team? The only canon coloured picture is the one from that one cover. • Seelentau 愛 議 22:40, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

its using the canon color scheme. canon color scheme>>>>>>anime color scheme.--AskinNakkLeVaar (talk) 22:47, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * By that logic, a picture drawn by a fan with the canon colour scheme > anime colour scheme. • Seelentau 愛 議 00:19, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

thats terrible logic as we have many colored manga images even some on this page, and these official colored manga images are OFFICIAL and far more canon than the anime.--AskinNakkLeVaar (talk) 00:24, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * All pictures from the coloured manga are be replaced by anime versions as soon as they are available. We only use coloured manga images if the scene is depicted incorrectly in the anime. Generally, the anime is considered to be more canon than the coloured manga, at least from what I know. • Seelentau 愛 議 00:35, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

They aren't if they are using a canon colorization when the anime does not. Which it is indepicting Itachi's Susanoo incorrectly. I don't see why you are so afraid of using these to depict it properly; especially how the anime image of Susanoo is terrible looking anyway.--AskinNakkLeVaar (talk) 00:41, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

There is no hint of red in Itachi's Susanoo on manga cover. The anime colored it red before Kishi drew it yellow on the cover, so it's incorrect.--Elve Talk Page 16:37, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know... After looking my copy of Volume 58, to me it looks more of light orange. --JouXIII (talk) 16:52, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * This is non canon as well, as all the susanoo are meant to have orange-ish eyes like with Sasuke's and Madara's in the manga. --Bio havik (talk) 17:19, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Itachi's does have white eyes on volume 58's cover though. Presumably because its body is already yellow and the eyes need to stand out.--BeyondRed (talk) 19:26, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * as said no its not noncanon as Itachis has white eyes on the cover too. also, its def 100% golden and not orange; --AskinNakkLeVaar (talk) 22:07, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's the original eye color of susunoo before it got retcon to orange. --Bio havik (talk) 15:36, November 24, 2015 (UTC)

Itachi's humanoid susanoo canon color is yellow. As for the canon color of its armoured version, its a mystery if it followers the same color scheme. And even if his armoured susanoo was also yellow, this is orange. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 12:08, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

Sasuke's EMS version
Is it actually correct to add the image of Sasuke's armoured EMS Susanoo version from the latest 450 Shippuden episode? I thought that the only reason for manga image to stay there was the wrong depiction of the Susanoo sword (which was supposed to be from Amaterasu flames in the manga, but turned out to be the same ephemeral substance Susano's made from in the anime), and the image from the 450 episode still follows the previous depiction of the anime regarding this sword. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 18:09, February 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * The sword being purple instead of black would be a wrong depiction of Blaze Release: Susanoo Kagutsuchi, not Susanoo. But anyway, i'll swap images. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 18:32, February 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Question: did that Sasuke got EMS?--JouXIII (talk) 18:39, February 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh i forgot, this image of susanoo with its sword isn't wrong, as that's the sword Sasuke used to fight Obito with in the manga and anime. And no Jou. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 18:56, February 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * It was just the only logical reason I found for the manga image of EMS Susanoo to stay even after this form showed up in the anime. But I'm totally OK with the current one, although this Susanoo form never used Kagutsuchi arrows in the canon storyline. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 19:11, February 26, 2016 (UTC)
 * I was under the same impression why the manga image was being used. I swapped images back to the 1st anime image just cause its easier to see and its using its normal susanoo sword. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 11:48, February 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * Joux Is Correct, Sasuke In Episode 450 Didn't Have EMS, Just MS, Which Means That Either Its An Error, Or The One Used At The Kage Summit Was Incorrect And This One Is His True Armored Susanoo. Bob1200 (talk) 08:28, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

Should Complete Body - Susanoo have its own article?
After all, Databook 4 treated it as a separate technique to Susanoo. We'd still mention it here, but use all the pictures of CB-S on its own article, thus shortening this one substantially for a good trimming. What do you guys think?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:59, June 9, 2016 (UTC)