Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31337598-20180202202814/@comment-734582-20180205065119

Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: a defeat is when u win. minato didn't win. he had to die. its totally different from kaguya's case. there was no sacrifice, or "terms" to be followed. A defeat is when you fail to accomplish your goals. A Victory is when you accomplish your goals. Whether you live or die is irrelevant. Hiruzen may have lost the battle, but his sacrifice won the war. Minato died, but he accomplished what he wanted, namely both stopping the Kyubi, ensuring it was still within Konoha's care while also nurturing a new Jinchuriki that may one day control it's power.

In those terms, it was a resounding success.