Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-29769110-20170327210757/@comment-26773508-20170426190905

Kakashisologod1 wrote: BakumatsuWarrior wrote: @ShadyShadow: Thanks bro ^_^ Dude u relaize i am talking about pshyical strenght right? And physical strength is the only thing Obito required to reach EMS Madara's level? Powerful jutsus, dojutsus, sealing techniques, and other abilities are irrelevant? That's the main issue here. This thread is about pre-War Obito. And we're arguing that pre-War Obito was nowhere near EMS Madara's level. And we all know EMS Madara is much, much, much more than mere physical strength. And while Rinnegan Obito's intangibility abilities are relevant for this thread since that's his MS ability, his other feats against KCM Naruto, Kakashi, Gai and Bee should be treated with care since many of those feats were because of the Rinnegan. And Obito gained the Rinnegan during the War (not before), a fact which many here are deliberately ignoring. And only Rinnegan Obito has shown the necessary feats that can place him on par with EMS Madara.

The databook may or may not have implied that pre-War Obito was at EMS Madara's level (since I haven't read the translation), but everything we know from the manga shows that pre-War Obito was nowhere near Madara's level. Both the manga and the databooks are ridden with plot holes and inconsistencies, which is why it is important to consider both the sources to decide whether a claim is well-supported or not. And here, the manga contradicts this particular databook claim in so many places that the only reasonable thing to do is to conclude that Kishi was smoking some high-quality meth if he indeed claimed in the databook that pre-War Obito was at EMS Madara's level. That basically shits on everything that was shown about Obito.