Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-1514283-20140829001753/@comment-1514283-20140830185245

Snapper2 wrote: There was a three year gap between Tobi's appearance and the third databook, and the third databook gave no answers. It was another three years before the issue was finally settled, leaving a total wait time of six years. Have any of the current disputes been going on for six years? Or even three years? If not, then your dismissal doesn't seem appropriate. Because - and I could be wrong - I don't think any ongoing arguments are older than a couple of months. Which I guess is a long time by some measurements. But in the whole history of the series a couple of months is no time at all.

I wasn't a part of this wiki way back then and Kishimoto was a far more consistent writer. I would have still pushed for the similarities to be at least be noted in the trivia section without making any definitive statements, similar to the Shakuton page where only the high likelihood of the prerequisite nature types are stated.

Another big difference between then and now is that the manga is ending. There isn't much opportunity left for new information, so a lot of what we decided on in active articles now, will likely remain that way because Kishimoto probably isn't going to expound on anything after he's well and truly done with the manga.

Seelentau wrote: I have but one question: How in all seven kingdoms were you guys convinced that the consensus is in the right?

Look at the Magnet Release issue: If I recall correctly, the consensus was that Gaara has MR. However, I wrote an analysis solely based on the manga facts and the result was that it's wrong to add Gaara as a MR user, since the proof given by you guys was not solid enough. So we didn't add him as a user based on that.

What if the next time you guys reach a consensus, I can't write a counter analysis because I don't have the necessary information/knowledge? Then you guys can do what you want because I can't disproof it, all while ignoring that you can't say for sure that you're right, either. Simply because we don't have enough information. ...was that understandable? ^^'

The consensus might be wrong but at least it'll decrease the needless infighting. If everyone thinks they've got the right answers and refuse to go by majority, we can't change. We remain stuck.

And, I wasn't going to bring it up, but since you did, I'll keep it brief. The shit you and Elveonora pulled on the Magnet Release page is part of what led up to this thread. You torpedoed that decision based on poor analysis. As I recall, you decided we were all in the wrong because the first time Naruto used Jinton there was no sand, and the second time there was. Because of his inconsistency, you and Elveonora pressured Ultimate to overrule the consensus even though there were only two of you.

You rendered months of debate useless based on virtually nothing. Shukaku has two distinct abilities: cursed seals and sand manipulation. Both are part of Shukaku's Jinton. The first time Naruto used Jinton, his intention was to seal Madara. The second time it was to attack Kaguya.

But that's in the past. Hopefully, next time, when there is a consensus, no sysop will feel pressured into undoing what has been done if you can't come up with reasoned, logical arguments backed up by concrete evidence.

And if you can, then you have nothing to worry about, because we'll agree with you. We're not immortalising the information chronicled on this wiki by carving it in stone. Changes can and should be made in the light of new evidence.