Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150518115443/@comment-25093611-20150616070754

SuperSaiyaMan wrote: Jiraiya defeated KN4 abiet with heavy injury, while Orochimaru couldn't do a damn thing besides push him away from him. this was oro at his lowest, in his most weakened state he was able to survive 4-tail without any great difficulty... imahine him at max :D SuperSaiyaMan wrote: Jiraiya was also highly respected and feared in Akatsuki, given Itachi said he can only tie with Jiraiya and not beat him. itachi said this, as far as i remember kisame didnt, hence, not the whole akatsuki... SuperSaiyaMan wrote: Orochimaru may have the edge now with Mokuton and his arms back, but for the most part Jiraiya had surpassed him until then. there had been times where jiraya was stronger, true, but if they fight right now than i would bet on oro...