Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34656247-20181008062436/@comment-6769189-20181012103355

CombatIQmatters wrote: @Legionzero Lol no black Zetsu specifically said lightning from the sky is unevadeable. Sasuke said he is simply guiding the lightning. It was natural lightning, that much was made clear. Natural lightning reaches the ground in 1/1000th of the second. No character alive at that point in the manga could dodge the technique bar maybe V2 Ayy. the only hope is to mentally react and use a shield, like itachi did. Zetsu didnt specify natural lightning being any faster than ninjutsu lightning. The only difference he noted between using natural lightning and creating lightning that the scale of the attack wouldnt be achievable with just chakra

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Nagato could see the blade. and he is definitely far enough from the smoke. there is several feet of ground between him and the outer edge of the decaying smokecreen. His mobility issue isn't in the arms, so I don't see a counter-argument from you. Nagato used shinra tensi on kakashi when kakashi came out of the ground without any arm movement, so debunked. he couldn't react, its's really that simple honestly. you are pretty much have resorted to claiming that he can't see the blade, which is ridiculous. there is no evidence of that. he is looking right at the blade. So is Totsuka instant or not? Because regardless if it was in frint of him or not he wouldnt react to it before it hit him.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

The naruto point still stands. if shadow clones worked the way you claimed then all the clones would be next to naruto and would form a straight horizontal line if you looked down at them from above. not forming a circle around his opponent. he can control where the clones form in space. Clones can form next to already formed clones and within about arms lengthof them. There is no confirmed instance in which single shadow clone was created far away from a the user or an alrwady created clone.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

I already showed you itachi forming a clone behind his opponent and then you used more speculation. Ok. Do follow closely. Itachi was originally standing in front of Kakashi. It was revealed that the Itachi in front of Kakashi was a shadow clone when the real Itachi appeared behind him.

How in the hell is Itachi suspposed to create a clone behind Kakashi when when the real Itachi was behind Kakashi and shadow clone was in front of Kakashi?

There was never a clone behind Kakashi.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

You're telling me that after itachi kicked kurenai, he disappeared from everyone's sight without them noticing and left a clone in his place in the space of a single panel and then somehow got underwater without anyone noticing? great. since itachi has proven he knows how to exploit the blindspots of the rinnegan shared vision, he does whatever he did to kakashi, kurenai, guy and asuma, and gets his clone behind the pains. same result. The ones on the battlefield at the time Itachi kicked Kurenai was her, Itachi, Asuma, and Kisame. So anytime while Kurenai was distracted and flying through the air and Asuma was distracted by Kisame he could have switched himself for a shadow clone. In fact he could have switched out as early as Kurenai's attempted genjutsu.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Still don't see evidence that Pain arc kakashi is magically faster than itachi now, so moving on. Its not magic, its called training for about 3 years. Kakashi was already shown intercepting lightning.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Lol no, killer bee used all 7 swords and ran at itachi. itachi dodged all of his attacks and even jumped so fast he appeared on nagato's bird. Killer bee is slower. everyone in that fight was arguably holding back against each other, so how does that prove anything. Bee still didnt go all out, he never went at Itachi with his Bijuu cloak, which is where his real speed and power is.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Except sasuke showed concern when itachi got stabbed. Even if itachi did what you claimed, he moved faster than EMS sasuke could percieve. he stabbed kabuto's horn off from behind. All I see you proving is that itachi has managed to bunshinfeint/substiution feint his opponents and get behind them on more than one occcasion. Itachi pulling that against a perfect sage proves his speed. you also didn't prove that he made a crow clone. sasuke would have seen it and wouldn't be concerned. That wasn't even the only time itachi pulled that feint off against kabuto. What does Sasuke showing concern prove? Besides not knowing that the initial attack was a clone? He wasnt looking much at Itachi and Itachi certainly didnt tell him.

If Itach was faster than Kabuto he would have dodged that but he needed to use a clone and crows as adistraction while he came from elsewhere.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

everyone fights at lower efficiency as they lose stamina. Itachi fired more than one amaterasu. you can clearly see he lit up the area around the uchiha hideout with the flames. This was one Amaterasu, a really long one. That made him cough blood afterwards due to the strain on his body.

He used the 1st Amaterasu to buff his Fireball.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

all techniques use chakra, so crow clones split his stamina. they may not cut it in half but they aren't free either. Still have yet to prove that it is anything comparable to half his chakra supply like a Shadow Clone.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Your scenario has sound logic, but the timing and logistics are completely off. Nagato would only have time to use one summoning jutsu in the time it takes for itachi to form yata mirror and susano'o. Pain can perform multiple summins at once Ch. 430

CombatIQmatters wrote:

The totsuka blade isn't instant, but it definitely only needs no more than a second to land. Why would Pain wait for an attack? He sounds out Asura and Summons as soon as hes in formation.

As soon as Naruto through his Rasenshuriken the Pains scattered, so upon seeing the length of Totsuka and the size of Susanoo in general Pain will have already scattered.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

kakashi could fight without any issue. Sure, nagato outplayed him, but kakashi was still casting techniques, using doton, using raikiri, throwing kunais at pain, etc. At the start of the fight.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

you still haven't explained where the huge blood stain on his head came from, clearly showing pain injured him and he sufffered blood loss. Having a head wound means he cant cast justu anymore?

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Kakashi clearly stated he couldn't make it in time to finish deva with raikiri, implying that deva used almighty push. And if he did so what? Kakashi knows moves like Head Hunter and Hiding Like A Mole to get away.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

the ashura path could have been higher in the air. You underestimate free fall speed. At that height, he could easily achieve a free fall speed capable of intercepting kakashi's raikiri. it's obvious he jumped high in the air, otherwise kakashi, choji, and chouza would have seen him coming. That was more of a surprise attack and cunning. an interception feat. I would agree with you if the were weren't clear vertical movement lines on asura. You cannot rule out the possibility that he was higher in the air on page 10, above kakashi's field of vision. Free fall speed is not the speed of lightning.