Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26388300-20160405070243/@comment-734582-20160430101543

Ravenlot 27 wrote: Serously, there are times I think about all these discussions on Edo-Madara vs Edo Hashi topic being sheer jokes. Same here. Madara was under the seal yet he could still easily control Obito. He wasn't trying to escape the seal because he was using Obito's nice gesture to revive himself. He battled Hashirama to kill time. I mean, when Obito was doing the plan Madara just sat and waited until Hashirama was free to fight him. The moment he was revived he started to use Rinnegan powers, restrained Hashirama and Tobirama with the receivers and stole Hashirama's chakra. If he could do that, why did he wait until he was alive? "a ninja must see through deception".

As to Madara using Kurama, Madara had put him under summon, therefore Kurama was his summon. Discussions about Jiraiya and the Sannin involve summons, and i don't see people complain there. In fact, summons are integral to their style.

Furthermore, Hashirama had more raw power than Madara, which you can define as "strength". But Madara with his Mangekyou has access to special techniques, which one can also see as strength. In what regards Madara considered Hashirama stronger, well i think it's clear he was talking about reserves.

I stand by the fact that Onoki had no problems dealing with stuff like Deep Forest Emergence and even things like Susanoo were broken. Combinations of power like the Raikage with Onoki were able to overcome even insanely powerful techniques. wood clones were dealt with. A meteor -dwarfing even True Several Thousand Hands by an order of magnitude- was dealt with. If the Kage could deal with the kind of godlike crap Edo Madara threw at them, they can handle Hashirama. It's only the Rinnegan-Edo Tensei invincible combination that gave the Kage no way to win realistically. Without the Rinnegan making Ninjustu useless and without the Edo Tensei making defeat by actual death impossible, they could've handled Edo Madara.

Hashirama can die. Hashirama can't absorb techniques. Those two facts mean that the Kage actually have a realistic path to victory, unlike the time they fought an immortal jutsu-nullifying zombie god. Jutsu only hit Madara when he felt that absorbing them was beneath him.