Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-28374870-20160504013153/@comment-26773508-20160507031310

XShadyShadow wrote: I don't think war arc Kakashi (Unless you mean with DMS.) is stronger than Deidara or Sasori. Sasori would literally only have to tag him once and the poison would finish him off albeit he's a puppet himself so I don't see how Kakashi can finish him off if he does get the chance, Deidara can make himself a literal bomb that can expand across multiple miles if I'm not mistaken in which I don't see Kakashi getting away from in time or defending against. Now, in either case it just wouldn't be that simple or be done with ease but I do see those techniques besting Kakashi in the end or them being his ultimate downfall against them. Sorry but no. War Arc Kakashi (single MS) is vastly superior to Pain Arc Kakashi. In fact, War Arc Kakashi heavily foreshadowed how much bullshit Kishi would eventually pull with Kakashi (*cough cough*DMS Kakashi*cough cough*). Kakashi could barely last 15 minutes against Deva Path without using MS, but suddenly he's spamming the sharingan and Kamui in the war long before getting extra chakra from Kurama. That was bs as well.

But whatever one thinks of single MS War arc Kakashi, there is no doubt that he's far stronger than his Pain arc self. And this plays a crucial role if he were to face off against Deidara and Sasori.

DEIDARA :

First of all, the fight against Deidara was made considerably difficult because Tobi went around burying Deidara's Clay Mines all over the battlefield. So without Tobi, Deidara will need to prep the mines all by himself before he faces Kakashi. Secondly, War arc Kakashi has the sharingan and he can deduce the same insights Hebi Sasuke deduced with his sharingan. Thirdly, like Sasuke, Kakashi has the elemental advantage (though you rightly point out that Sasuke has far more versatility with Lightning than Kakashi).

And finally, the game-changing factor here is that War-arc Kakashi can spam Kamui for a considerable number of times. As much as I hate bringing Kamui to VS debates, it still doesn't change the fact that Kamui is an essential jutsu in MS Kakashi's arsenal. It being a broken jutsu doesn't invalidate the huge advantages it confers to its users. Ignoring Kamui and just saying that Deidara will use C4 Garuda or his Al Qaeda Jutsu (where he blows himself up) without Kakashi counterattacking is just plain wrong. Kakashi can counteract C4 Garude the same way Sasuke did. Why? Because if this guy can create a lightning clone that can shock the enemy with lightning when the clone dissipates, then it's reasonable to assume that he can weakly electrify his whole body for a short time, which is enough to destroy the microscopic clay bombs. And if Deidara goes full Al Qaeda, Kakashi can Kamui him off to the other dimension, just like he Kamui'd one of Deidara's exploding clones in the beginning of Part 2.

SASORI :

In my opinion, Sasori poses a far more formidable challenge to Kakashi than Deidara does. He has his poison, of course. But Kakashi isn't going to get poisoned so easily like Kankuro. He sparred with Hidan quite effectively. And while he didn't dominate Hidan in that fight, he also managed to avoid getting scratched by Hidan's scythe. So Sasori is gonna have a hard time poisoning Kakashi. Moreover, Kakashi uses bunshin feints quite often. It's quite likely he'll use bunshins when going against unusual shinobis such as puppeteers.

So poison is the least of Kakashi's problems. His problems are the Third Kazekage and The Hundred Puppets. The sharingan can see chakra, so Kakashi will figure out that Hiruko is just a puppet right from the start of the battle and will deal with it accordingly. With Hiruko out of the way, Kakashi will have to deal with the Third Kazekage and then, the Hundred Puppets.

I personally think that the Hundred Puppets are much more of a threat than the Kazekage puppet, despite the Kazekage being vastly superior. The sheer number of puppets will overwhelm Kakashi. Not to forget the poison each one of the puppets has. With the Kazekage, Kakashi can avoid the Iron weapons, hide under the earth or do cryptic stuffs like that to land a surprise attack on the Kazekage or Sasori's heart itself.

Or I could just utter that one word everyone hates in VS threads concerning MS Kakashi: kamui. Love it or hate it, that jutsu can do some wicked stuff. And while it's bs to claim that Kakashi will simply Kamui Sasori's head off right off the bat or something similar, however, Kamui is still a very effective tool. You simply can't ignore Kamui when it comes to MS Kakashi. With War Arc Kakashi, the number of times he can use Kamui is also vastly greater than his Pain Arc self.

Things will be much more difficult against the Hundred Puppets. Kakashi has no other choice than to use a bunshin feint. Or he could use his Lightning Chain (the one he used against the Version 2 Edo Jinchurikis) to systematically chop the puppets. But there is a problem here, as Kakashi will be surrounded on all sides by the puppets. So a bunshin feint that includes creating two clones who use the Lightning Chain might be effective. The original can hide underground and try to attack Sasori's main body from the ground beneath. Or somehow, Kakashi could use Silent Killing against Sasori's heart as he did with Kakuzu. But personally, I think that's bs. If he were to accomplish such a feat, then Sasori would have to be super distracted. Controlling a hundred puppets dealing with Kakashi's bunshins will probably distract Sasori enough for Kakashi to stab him like he did with Kakuzu. But I don't see that happening.

Or he could use the bunshin feint while the original uses Kamui on Sasori's heart. The problem with this is that Sasori's heart can jump from one puppet to another quite quickly. So I'm not sure if Kamui will work. However, War arc Kakashi was quite fast with the Kamui. So fast, in fact, that he was able to teleport Naruto's clone right in front of Obito, and Obito didn't even notice it. So I'm pretty sure Sasori's heart can be taken care of.

But there's always a chance it won't. But even if Kakashi fails to Kamui Sasori's heart on time, it will still be enough to disrupt Sasori's control over the hundred puppets. Seeing how Kakashi was able to Kamui off the Gedo Mazo's arm off to Kamui dimension, and seeing how he was almost successful in cutting off the Gedo Mazo's neck (which was foiled because Obito used his Kamui to counteract Kakashi's), I think it's safe to assume that War arc Kakashi can Kamui off dozens of Sasori's puppets at a time. Though that might not be of much help when there are a hundred puppets around you. So Kakashi will have to Kamui off the hundred puppets before Sasori's heart lodges in his other puppet body. I don't think that's possible. So Kakashi will be at a huge disadvantage if he can't finish off Sasori's heart.

So with Sasori, the battle can go either way for War Arc Kakashi. But with Deidara, I think War Arc Kakashi takes it mid-difficulty.