Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36512555-20200302063012/@comment-6769189-20200403222452

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

He didn't had the rinnegan when he attacked MU..saying Madara can tank jinton is abosolute wank, you think Madara would've even survived against the kages with his own powers whilst being alive? hell no. MY GUY! Madara fought Mu and Onoki at the same time and won XD what are on? And he didnt even go all out either because Onoki was dumbfounded at the sight of Madar's perfect Susanoo.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Ik, but it just signifies how weak they are to need it in the first place :D Right. Even though Madara was the 2nd strongest ninja by a slim margin before 6 paths characters got involved.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Simply because the bijju is also replicated when the clones is being created. Erm that's not how it works, they spawn will less reserves and stay with that... Not when Edo Tensei refills chakra.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Point still remains. Edo hashirama literally defeated Edo rinnegan Madara.... If we add Hashirama then sure, but if we are just talking about Kabuto's army+the alliance Madara wins.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

As shown visual genjutsu differs from audio genjutsu, if tayuya was using visual genjutsu i wouldn't have even considered her. CS2 Tayuya + Ay + Itachi = Defeated Madara Other than the initiation method, audio and visual genjutsu work the same. Part 1 Shikamaru as a fresh ass chunin broke Tayuya's genkutsu by breaking his finger. Madara, like Itachi, will instantly tell he is in a genjutsu and break it or worse.

The only time any genjutsu worked against a Uchiha Sharingan user was Sage mode Kabuto.

Raikage cant break Perfect Susanoo. He can barely take on the Susanoo with "skin"

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Tayuya is insignificant against Madara. she is among the weakest enemies for him to face off against.
 * Can't do any of that if you're being soloed by Tayuya's genjutsu

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

It buys him time while Edo's regenerate
 * Pointless attack on an army of immortals. Madara remains dumb

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Wasnt a problem aganst the 5 Kage
 * Would he even have the chance to do any of that? everyone would be on his ass bitchslapping him.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Hard to make contact when every opponant is matched 1 for 1 by clones. Hard to make contact when the enemy is in a perfect Susanoo taller than mountains and can fly.
 * Cough* ik that, hard to make contact when your head keeps falling off with multiple attacks.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Sharingan can see chakra. Rinnegan can see chakra and alternate planes of existence. Madara can see him.
 * He needs to raise his hand to activate the preta path, if he can't see Dan then he can't raise his hand. Note: he nor any of the kage didn't see dan possess tsunade.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Against perfect Susanoo? Riiggghhhttt.
 * The chakra should be absorbable but the actual gold dust would remain which would still be a hindrance.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Don't overestimate Madara more than you already are. The sharingan pfft. Yes, the Sharingan that he once used to take control of full Kyuubi and than a much weaker Obito used to control full Kyuubi. The Sharingan that Obito used to put a perfect Junchuriki under his control

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Not sure where you get the idea that he can use limbo clones while edo. The fact that the only ability stated or shown to not be usable due to Edo is summoning the Gedo Mazo

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Impenetrable? so that's the assumption you were under lmao. Laughs in jinton. Fair. Except jinton didnt help when perf Susanoo was unleashed against the 5 Kage so whats your point?

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Lava techs etc. Because Lava release worked so well when the 5 Kage were anihalted be Perfect Susanoo.

Not sure what "etc." You are talking about because these techniques were shown effective against a "skin" Susanoo while Madara was holding back.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Sasuke copied taijutsu. Still copied a technique.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Filler Sarada. Madara? Not sure what you mean by Filler.the Boruto anime and manga are telling 2 seperate parts of the same story. They are both canon

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

They can't be performed through simple observation, you're making Madara into a greater thief than he is. Kakashi made a career out of this. We saw it happen with him, Sasuke, and Sarada.

Jason of the Mangekyou wrote:

Yes he would, if we assume Madara isnt in the Perfect Susanoo. But even then this is where your scenerio falls apart because. Given the circumstances he would most likely use a clone to do it. Leaving his real body or other clones to remain on the offensive or strategize(this is a tactic he actually used in the manga). Or he could also just substitute out with a clone and then
 * Here's how it's gonna go down, Mu launches and maintains jinton at madara, he'd naturally absorb it.
 * Fall back while leaving a clone to distract everyone while he prepare Shingai Tensei. While the Edo are all recovering he restrains them with Wood Release or chakra recievers.
 * Or he could sneak around Genjutsu controling all the heavy hitters and turning them against the rest of the Edo. Once he has Shukkaku he can start sealing people left and right
 * Or chibaku Tensei to reduce the numbers to only those who can break out which is a small number of characters.

Why dont you start of with something that actually forces Madara out of the Perfect Susanoo for starters.

Ninja Of War wrote: Lol, when did this thread derail into all edos vs edo Madara?

@LegionZero

I think a large part of why Madara used all those taxing wood release and rinnegan jutsus was due to him being an edo. Notice when he was brought back to life, he didn't use any wood release, including clones or Tengai Shinsei. In all fairness, he didnt need them at that point and he couldnt risk killing the bijuu at the time.

CyberianGinseng wrote:

How long was Itachi a part of Akatsuki before he died? Wasn't it about 8 years? You mean to tell me Itachi, the super ninja, couldn't get access to Gedo Mazo in 8 years?!? We saw Sasori and Deidara physically present in the room alone with Gedo Mazo during the save Gaara arc. Yet Itachi, the super spy, couldn't finagle that much? Without Gedo Mazo, they couldn't seal the tailed beasts. The whole plan takes a major hit. According to some folks, Itachi could've easily taken care of Gedo Mazo. It's criminal that he didn't do it. He needs to have his corpse dug up and bitch slapped for that alone. What exactly can Itachi do to the Gedo Mazo. IIRC the only thing that can be done to or with it requires Rinnegan.