Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150518115443/@comment-26107879-20150614194057

I read a lot about the Databook if you go based on the databook you'll find you'll be wrong most of the time. Everyone knows the Databook contradicts the Manga many times. First it stated that one needed Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu to use Susano'o then later on it states otherwise. Don't go based off Databook go based off what was seen. Orochimaru kicked Jiraiya around without his hands. Based on that fact alone proves Orochimaru's ability to defeat Jiraiya. How could Jiraiya possibly win, when as you said Orochimaru could survive against a four tailed Naruto without the use of Jutsu and escape unharmed when Jiraiya could barely hand on for dear life. Orochimaru left because the time for as stated in the manga "his host body was beginning to reject him". As I said Orochimaru wins when he can fight Jiraiya and Four tailed Naruto without suffering any major damages without the use of his hands. If Jiraiya couldn't beat him without his hands what makes you think he can beat him while he can perform techniques?