Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-34194151-20180906234837

@LegionZero

When half dead obito steals chakra from madara, obito gets a truth seeking orb and staff. Madara said that obito could accomplish this because he was once in "sage mode". So they were using ridoku sage mode, unless you have another way of interpreting that statement.

This six paths senjutsu and six paths sage mode distinction is highly confusing. How did Hagoromo pass on the mode if he himself isn't a user of this mode, he is only said to be a user of six paths senjutsu, and it was never stated how he acquired it, other than by having a rinnegan and senjutsu lol. And what you say is that six paths senjutsu is "learnable" but I don't see how that has been substantiated, it seems to be an attempt to reconcile how hagoromo and hamura got their six paths senjutsu. Obito had zero senjutsu experience and yet he became a sage after absorbing juubi according to madara. Pre TTJ Madara is complicated, because it seemed that he was in sage mode after he absorbed hashi's chakra, though the markings only appeared on hashi boob, it still seemed to augment all his skills. so if it's true that madara instantly grasped sage mode, then I don't see why he wouldn't be able to have six paths senjutsu, if it's true that juubi is simply a mass of six paths chakra and nature energy. Hagoromo and hamura could have simply absorbed juubi chakra from kaguya and that was the origin of their six paths senjutsu, or am I missing something?

Ok, not being on the move is a good point. In the final battle with sasuke, it is true that even kurama itself in avatar form needed to be perfectly still so it could gather nature energy... So while kurama is inside naruto, i guess it is inherently perfectly still. But hokage naruto seems to debunk this, because in gaiden chapter 3 we see him seem to activate sage mode while he is running... so if we can prove that kurama did the gathering then I guess both of these examples prove that the pigmentation is an indicator of SPSM vs KSM.

Naruto's cloak in the war had both the coffin seal and those tomoe on the back. So that was indicative of six paths senjutsu according to madara, which according to madara is the same thing as "sage mode"

@Hagoromo, the theory is in doubt once again unfortunately, it seems that the pigmentation argument is still alive and strong, legionzero has breathed life back into it. but don't lose hope! There are still some questionable things, so I'm still on the fence.