Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150516202714/@comment-25410745-20150522162217

Team Hashirama wins this easily, I think, for one big reason: Shisui. Everyone seems to be wildly underestimating him or perhaps I'm misunderstanding the ridiculousness of Kotoamatsukami, but... Mind control essentially that doesn't require eye contact. Yeah, he can only use it once per eye, but you instantly turn the battle from a 3v11 to a 5v9. Grab Itachi and Nagato, Itachi surprise Tsukuyomis Kisame(imo, the biggest remaining threat to Madara and Hashirama, as their main claim to fame is spamming expensive ninjutsu/having retarded chakra reserves, which Kisame hard counters) and you're 5v8 with a surprise Nagato in your sleeve. Absolute roflstomp at this point. People saying Oro could counter with Edo: Requires a living sacrifice, eroding the number advantage even further if anyone would even agree to being this sac, and it also appears to take some time to actually get an edo ready, what with the scroll and the seal and all that, which would be hard against two people who know exactly what the technique is(HashiMada).

Without Kotoamatsukami, I think Akatsuki 100% wins. Almost any Akatsuki member could beat or at least hold their own for a considerable time against Shisui, Kisame could probably do the same against Hashi as long as he didn't lose Samehada, give him Deidara as a partner to blow up giant, slow tree constructs and Madara gets dogpiled by everyone else, if not just soloed by Itachi. Maybe would take Itachi and Nagato at best, so Nagato could warn Itachi about Limbo clones/telekinesis them away. Maybe I'm fanboying a bit too hard here, but I don't really think any of Team Hashi is really that huge a threat against the wildly varied, powerful tools of Akatsuki without the haxxor Kotoamatsukami.