Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32617252-20180513035214/@comment-6769189-20180517033011

LoneNinja wrote: That doesn't prove anything. Since you are saying only those who blossom SPS get to use them. But that is never stated, there is no indication in the Databook that states that is the only way. In fact, since we're using the Databook here. Let's show what the DB4 says about SPS itself.

"From the ancestor of shinobi, a divine state is gifted, touching the principles of all creation, commanding all things in nature. The qualities for obtaining this technique are strict studying and using a small gist in chakra kneading sensibility. An iron faith to face any hardship and the guts to never give up. Furthermore, the returning incarnation and fate's guidance ― this power is granted by the Sage of Six Paths only to someone who holds those. Those who activate the technique come to understand the flow of all life, gain a deep insight at the world's origins and are able to apply it on interacting allies without changing the way of things. This technique isn't something shinobi choose to experience. It is a technique that chooses shinobi."

I see no qualities here that Toneri possessed. It also states it's only granted by Hagoromo. Interesting. Still want to use the Databook?

Coffin Seal databook entry: To acquire the power of the ten tailed beasts is the same as possessing the power of the Sage of Six Paths, so it is accompanied by the same Truthseeker Orbs.

Hagoromo didnt give his 6 Paths abilities to Obito or Madara but they got it. There is more one way to SPS.

Even Kaguya wasnt listed as SPS user but she has TSB and she passed on all the 6 Paths abilities to Hagoromo and Hamura.

Much like how gaining the same powers as Hagoromo will grant his abilities, gaining the same powers as Hamura will grant his abilities as well.

LoneNinja wrote:

You should re-read the Manga, or even just search the wiki. Six Paths Yin Power is not Six Paths Senjutsu. They are two separate powers. One is comprised solely of Yin Release. The other is comprised of a variety of things and still remains entirely unknown other than it utilizes Senjutsu. If Toneri inherited all of Hamura's abilities, Sixth Paths Yin Power included; he would have the mark to represent it. Yin and Yang Seals are not what gave Naruto and Sasuke their respective  nor do the signify that they have said abilities. Naruto and Sasuke kept their 6 Paths abilities after if the seals disappeared.

Hamura didnt have the Yin Seal anymore, Hagoromo was in possession of both of them

LoneNinja wrote:

First Limbo. All that I recall being stated for Limbo, is you need Rinnegan. Not even the Databook states that it's exclusive to Madara only, therefore the statement stands. Sasuke in your logic, has Limbo. Sasuke has A (Rinnegan), therefore he has B (Everything that comes with it, all Rinnegan abilities including Limbo), according to your logic.

Second Susano'o. Since the Databook stated Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu is required for Susano'o, Sasuke, Madara, Kakashi, and Indra all have those. Yet, they aren't listed as user's in any of the Databooks including the ones that came afterwards. Weird. But according to your logic, since they have A, they should have B right? Yet, they don't. Odd.

Third Hashirama's DNA. Because Naruto has it, he should get all that comes with it aka B right? He should have Wood Release? By your logic, he has Wood Release.

Your logic fails. Cant tell tell if you are purposely getting this backwards but ill explain it one more time. If you have a thing, then you have the pre-reqs. Having the pre-reqs doesnt mean you have the thing.

If you can use Chidori(the thing), then you have lightning release(pre-req), but this isnt necissarily true the other way around.

The data books say that TSB comes with SPS

LoneNinja wrote:

An Otsutsuki ability? LOL and what states that it's an Otsutsuki ability? An what makes you say Toneri is a full Otsutsuki? He comes from Hamura who is only partial Otsutsuki, so I don't understand where that flawed logic comes from. Tenseigan isn't even an Otsutsuki ability. Only Hamura and his bloodline has it. So what Otsutsuki ability does Toneri have?

SPS and all 6 Paths chakra and all chakra period were born from Kaguya.

Toneri is full Otsutsuki. All of the moon Otsutsuki were because Hamura took the remainder of the clan to the moon. The only reason the Tenseigan formed is because he is Otsutsuki