Narutopedia talk:Administrator

New Bureaucrat
Currently, the wiki does not have an active Bureaucrat. I believe we need one, since they're the ones who can appoint Sysops, and Fandom would prefer an active Bureaucrat as well.

I think @Omnibender would be a good fit, since they're very active on the wiki and they keep things orderly already.

This idea came about since I was promoted to Sysop by our Wiki Manager (with approval from Fandom as well as another Sysop). I was promoted to help better moderate Discussions, but we had to go directly to the Wiki Manager since Dantman did not respond to my post on his talkpage.

Squinty97 (talk) 16:54, 4 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Great idea, @Omnibender is a great choice. Although, I suppose @Windstar and @TheUltimate would be equally good candidates. Ninja Of War (talk) 12:06, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about ignoring the message on my talkpage. Most of the time people ask to be sysop on my talkpage they are just begging because they want to be an admin even if they aren't suitable. I have never given someone sysop because they asked on my talkpage (that used to count against suitability) so I may not have paid attention to a new sysop message from someone I completely didn't recognize coming from the talkpage system that clips messages off. We used to have a system, kind of like a simple version of Wikipedia's RfA process, where someone proposed sysop for someone and then members of the community gave reasons they supported/opposed the nomination. Though I guess that's not around anymore after several forum system updates. ~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 21:10, 6 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Actually it would be great if someone could create a new RfA system. I've looked all over and the old one is just, gone. Here's what I'm thinking:
 * A basic Narutopedia:Requests for Adminship index listing proposals and how to create one, proposals at Narutopedia:Requests_for_Adminship/{Name}, and Template:RfA stub (or a form/pre-filled page based setup) roughly based on Wikipedia's Wikipedia:WP:RfA system. i.e. A page template for proposals listing who is being nominated, why, links to important references (talk, contribs, etc), and an organized place for the community to support/oppose.
 * The Narutopedia:Sysop should link to the system this time.
 * When a proposal is created a post should be made in the new discussions board so the community can provide rationales for/against the nomination.
 * All current admins should also be notified of the proposal.
 * ~ Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (Local Talk &#8285; Animanga Talk) 00:16, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The reason the original RFA's can not be found is they were in the now-discontinued and removed Forums feature. That was merged with the absolutely abhorrent "Discussions" feature (/d) and using that for any sort of meaningful RFA is a waste of time: 99% of the users there have no idea what the wiki is or what "sysop" or "bureaucrat" are.
 * I agree with Squinty on promoting Omnibender to bureaucrat, being the only daily active admin on this wiki. Saru is only occasionally active with file uploads, and everyone else has moved on/resigned from their "position" as it were. An RFA system to facilitate future requests would be appreciated so we don't need to make requests to the Wiki Manager.
 * (Speaking of which, a lot of chatter about the wiki now happens in private chats on the community discord: although most of it is just asking the WM for advice on how to move forward with the kinds of changes that would have been posted in the old forums. I recommend that any active editor who wants to discuss the wiki should use the Discord server if they find it useful). --Sajuuk 15:33, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

I already consider cleaning up subpar edits mostly by myself a thankless chore, and I hate all non-essential social chit-chat, so I will not download discord just so I can take part of conversations that should be happening in talk pages. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * It was only a recommendation, no one is forcing you to go there. However, the little editors who are here don't seem to use talkpages anyway and given Fandom's overhaul of the platform making talkpages harder to find, the discord server has been an easier platform for those that use it, and achieves broadly the same outcome without the cumbersome nature of an archaic talkpage (not to mention there's barely any changes that get made here anyway and those which do just happen anyway without the need of a realistic discussion). However, whether people want to use Discord or not is really not the point of Squinty's bureaucrat request in any case ^_^.
 * (As an aside, I should point out that you also have an incorrect viewpoint regarding the Narutopedia discord: there are a couple of sysops on there and exactly none of them partake in the wider social chatter of the community that is present there. TU3, the only actively reachable sysop on there, only responds to wiki-related matters that occur in some private chats, he does not post in public channels or engage with the circa 3.2k community members). --Sajuuk 23:44, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Just to make note, since this wiki has been lacking in actively-contributing mods for a long time now, with seemingly no want of change from current administration.

Sysops/Crats
 * NeedleJizo - Last edited August 2018
 * Squinty97 - Edits, but primarily in Discussions, which is why they were given admin rights
 * UltimateSupreme - Helps with coding and takes time to help users in talkpage, but other than that.
 * Dantman - Does not contribute and has not for years. Not always reachable.
 * TheUltimate3 - Not actively contributing, but will take time to reply to talkpage messages. Takes large breaks.
 * Seelentau - Retired from modding the site in December.
 * Sarutobii2 - Contributes
 * WindStar7125 - Talkpage edits in 2020, but beyond that?
 * Jacce - Basically inactive.
 * Omnibender - Active, contributes and talks to members.

Our Rollback team is also quite inactive, so as can be seen, I believe the administration team on the wiki needs a big overhaul. Actively contributing members who are able to head toward progress and allow discussion and not keep the wiki in 2010. Just something to think about because I feel giving one of these members crat rights will not necessarily solve any issues we have. My own two recommendations for bureaucrat at this point would be either Omnibender (though I really do feel he holds us back a lot) or Snapper2, if he doesn't oppose that is. I'm aware he retired as a sysop here long ago. Munchvtec (talk) 02:42, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I have no issues with Omnibender becoming a bureaucrat. Sarutobii2 (talk) 15:13, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I'm in support of Omni being a bureaucrat as well. However as Munchvtec mentioned, this wiki is lacking in mod/admin support and activity. I really only see Omni and Saru being active here and I do think that more admins/mods should be appointed in order to keep it running smoothly. Currently, as Omni and Saru are doing a good job with maintaining this wiki, I feel like it puts too much pressure on their backs due to the amount of bad or good changes/updates made on Naruto/Boruto content on a daily basis. Nevertheless I believe Omni would do well as a bureaucrat, but I'd like to see more staff appointments who can be trusted to remain active for the duration of their position. - Ventillate { About Me | Message | My Work } 02:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

I can volunteer to do sysop stuff again if people feel there's under-representation. ~SnapperTo 05:50, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

I never said anything either way about accepting being a bureaucrat, but I'm making it unequivocal now: I don't want it. I'm tired of cleaning up badly written half-assed articles. I'm tired of contacting other users asking them to up their game, to ask for more explanation on what they wrote, ask for them to actually show sources to clear up the clear inconsistencies in what they write only for them to carry on doing the same things without every replying, even when I contact them in other wikis, of telling them why things are or aren't listed in a certain way when all they need to do is read a talk page archive. I'm tired of having to make sure things don't fall through the cracks and get lost in the editing 7000+ articles, of having to always correct formatting and templates because of stupid default visual editor. Munchvtec you think I hold the wiki back? Beyond what I already listed in Toroi's talk, that's how I keep bloat and redundancy by creeping into every article any time there's new information. Keeping things lean and terse is how this wiki avoids having major rewrite sessions every handful of chapters or episodes, because people love overwriting and overexplaining and overlisting everything. This wiki makes me tired. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:55, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * @Snapper2: I have no concerns about that happening. --Sajuuk 19:55, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Why was my page deleted
Hello. I am GOHZWOETHGORSBOL Qbogyog12344. And I have a complaint. A few weeks ago, I had created a page on this Wiki. It was about The Arena in Konaha (You know the one where the chunin exams took place). Then It was deleted by @Omnibender. Today when I was about to create the page I wanted to ask permission to recreate it. One of the admins also told me to read the image policy before uploading an image. I read it and I found 1 error, My filenames are not good. I want permission to recreate the page. Also I will adhere to the image and editing policy of this wiki. Please reply. Thank you. --GOHZWOETHGORSBOL Qbogyog12344 (talk) 07:49, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * This talkpage is for discussion regarding promoting sysops or other specialised discussions of that nnature, rather than for generic questions directed to them. If you want to ask for permission to recreate a page, you should talk to the admin who deleted the page, in this case Omnibender.
 * Also, pages don't belong to the user, they're the property of the wider community and can be deleted if they contribute nothing towards the wiki as a whole. --Sajuuk 11:41, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
 * And for your reference, I'm not the one who deleted the article you created, but I would have. It was poorly written and insubstantial. Your images also had a lot more issues than bad names. They had no fair use license and rationale, and were of extremely low quality. They might also have been duplicates of images already in the wiki, but I'd have to double check that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:53, 27 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Fine then I will read the manual of style once again and ask the admin who deleted it.

EmailConfirmToEdit
In an effort to combat spam and trolls, I have heard from @Ider, that Fandom is proving out how viable EmailConfirmToEdit will be on the Narutopedia. Which to my understanding, means that users will first have to confirm their email in order to post/edit the wiki. Naturally, the Sysops here would have to give the go-ahead first. Do any of the admins have some reservations about this? Ninja Of War (talk) 18:22, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * How is this different from what's already done? To my understanding, users already have to register an email when registering for an account. So much so FANDOM used to have Special:EmailUser enabled everywhere. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:23, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Was expecting @Ider to respond here. I'll just post what was said in the discord. ''"So I believe you're right in that you need to have created an account to edit the Naruto wiki, but that's different from EmailConfirmToEdit. This setting requires that a user validate the email tied to their account before making edits/posting. Right now, anyone can create a throw away account and spam/troll on the Naruto wiki until they're blocked.

Hard data should be in by the middle of this week, but so far I've seen this really cut down on sockpuppet abuse and other shenanigans on the JJBA wiki."'' Ninja Of War (talk) 14:45, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry, just found out this related convo was happening here. That data I mentioned has come in and JJBA admins and mods reported a noticable decrease in trolling/spamming from throwaway accounts after this feature was enabled, without any significant dips in editing, posting, or page views. Folks on the Naruto Wiki Discord server seem fully in favor of enabling this feature, so, if you have no objection, I'll enable that by the end of the week. Lder1995 (talk)