Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-31099706-20170327120301/@comment-31099706-20170331032052

@Rachin123. Susanoo is more of a defence/passive(I think) technique not a offensive type like tsukuyomi. It's pupose is to mainly help the user hence the transalation help all by any means(I think). It's for defence and attacks but not a one shot technique by nature, though it's power is such that it can kill mostly any ninja with single, simple moves from very far distances. Susanoo's lesser forms is each levels and it's used to fit into situations like think of a PS in a small room?

Now I'm just asking you, Does kamui, amaterasu,Koto,Shin's technique have a watered down version?

I'm not saying Itachi shouldn't or should. But what I'm saying is that Itachi very well did a move that to a younger version of Sasuke that you guys are saying is holding back now? I mean there was no mention of a weakend version ever.

The pshycological torture in tsukuyomi isn't that special, atleast every sharingan user can do it. It's the time manipulation that makes it deadly, it's the one that causes brain damage. proof is in the Itachi novel. Where Itachi gave a whole sweet life till they were old to his girlfriend and then she dies.... So sasuke's tsukuyomi which very well was starting to become a torture. was no exception from the normal tsukuyomi.

I'm not saying it's impressive I'm saying it was done with the same tsukuyomi that was done on sasuke twice.

Like Thekillman said, It's still is a jutsu and MS jutsu to add. it's purpose is to one shot someone with eye contact. no version of it ever showed it to not one shot anyone, without breaking through it.

Why doesn't anyone think sasuke wouldn't have noticed it? I mean he already experienced two unforgettable tsukuyomis. Itachi was trying his best not to let sasuke figure out that the truth. so a watered down tsukuyomi would be noticed by sasuke's sharingan. it's not like we ever really saw how a tsukuyomi works inside the mind from the beginning to the last. We see horrifying samples in the beginning and then we can only assumes what happens next. So sasuke's tsukuyomi could very well be torture since it already started with getting his eye plucked out. Yeah EMS madara breaking through tsukuyomi seems improbable. but he would such a jutsu since seeing he has knowledge even about MS jutsus that he never mentioned to see, like he somehow aborbed amaterasu? without rinnegen. so he probably has knowledge about each uchiha MS abilities, maybe from the uchiha's stone?(I don't remember it's actual name)

@Quakingstar. No, he didn't use senjutsu. if he used CM it would atleast show that, even in the face if possible. the manga showed that it wasn't by it clearly. even the zetsus never mentioned any CM. don't you think they would mention such a thing? instead BZ praised Sasuke's mastery with the sharingan. And again it obivously wasn't a watered down version.

Yes,close realtives with mastered sharingan can break though it. and maybe that's why Itachi was worried to face his father.

@NarutoNamikaze. Yeah anyone other than a close relative uchiha with a powerful/mastered sharingan. but isn't most MS jutsus one shot type? I mean amaterasu if it get's in a ninja's face then he very well should be a rinnegen user or a perfect Jinchuriki to avoid that, Kamui can dispose a ninja or parts of his body to his pocket dimension.

Sasuke did it with only his Sharingan and willpower I guess. He broke through the Tsukuyomi that wasn't watered down. Even Itachi comfirmed the fact that it was possible.

So people still say that Itachi was holding back and so everything he did was "watered down" since he wanted his brother alive. Well I kind of think I have a answer for that,

Think like this, Orochimaru, a creepy evil snake man, who wanted to live forever that, was also once obsessed by him and now is at a risk of possesing his boloved brother that he'll risk anything for, even the village's security. So he might have thought if he couldn't extract Oro out of sasuke then the next best way of saving his brother from oro would be to kill him, hence why he used amaterasu at sasuke and would have been dead if not for Oro's body replacement jutsu. I mean I think he used tsukuyomi so he could extract oro from a unconscious sasuke. I mean it's possible since Sasuke did it with Anko and so Itachi who would have tried to study ways to save his brother from oro would have known to do something like that. But it seemed he broke through, and just like thekillman said he was genuinely surprised(and we don't even know if Itachi even noticed the zetsus at the wall)

I also think I have a theory for why Itachi thought sasuke can only break out of tsukuyomi. I mean for one, he has the sharingan a very powerful analysis tool and it's evolved form the MS with a much more enhancement in it's abilities. So Itachi probably did tsukuyomi during the uchiha massacare. So he would have performed with a uchiha with a mastered sharingan and without mastered, with a uchiha without a sharingan and obiviously his close relative uchiha,that is his brother. And after that day, he have performed it with non uchihas and if counting kakashi then a non uchiha with a sharingan. So by my theory I think Itachi anaylised his memories of performing tsukuyomi with his brother and other victims and might have felt some special resistence against performing it with sasuke. he might have analysed that certain resistence came from different catagories of ninjas like, uchiha's with a mastered sharingan resisted > uchihas without a mastered sharingan > uchiha's without a sharingan > non uchihas. I don't know where to put non uchiha witha sharingan but I guess it would be probably be infront of uchiha's without a sharingan(only in kakashi's case I guess) and well I guess sasuke showed a certain resistence that Itachi might have made a theory with since he's a genius and all, and it was a theoey which worked. Well these are all my honest opinions.