Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-33953813-20171226015659/@comment-734582-20180104195202

Gagua2028 wrote: Kishimoto should have really explained Madara in depth actually. His motives are still kinda unclear to me. Not sure what you mean. Madara read the Tablet and learned that before and after Kaguya, people warred. Even the power of a god could not stop people from warring indefinitely. So Madara vowed to end this, and create a world that would be free from war. IT is strong enough that people don't know they're in it, so functionally it's the same as creating an actual world for each being to live in. Hence, he would bring about world peace forever.

It's not entirely clear if he intended to actually keep people in there forever, or merely wanted them to learn to cooperate. However, what is clear is that Madara got used to doing things through sheer power, and couldn't conceive of an alternative where people could be convinced otherwise. Hashirama bet on the fact that allowing people to cooperate would lead to greater understanding, and facilitated that via the Village. But rather than pooling together to achieve a common goal, Madara only saw it as a defeat for the Uchiha (and in a sense, he was right), and so also worked hard to undo Hashirama's plans.

Gagua2028 wrote: And his plan wasn't foolproof either I mean what if someone had taken Nagato's Rinnegan?! No plan is foolproof. Nagato was clearly strong enough to handle his own, but even then Madara had many Zetsu and probably had quite a few shadowing him permanently. In the event someone stole his eyes, the next target would be used to resurrect Madara. In the end, this was the only reason for Nagato's existence: to control the Rinnegan to such an extent that he could Rinne Tensei Madara. Gagua2028 wrote: Then no Rinnegan and no Madara. Whosoever holds the Rinnegan would be the one forced to Rinne Tensei Madara. Black Zetsu and Obito existed to guide the Rinnegan user and make him ressurect Madara. Note that Nagato believed he could survive Rinne Tensei, so obviously Obito had planted the seeds for his resurrection. he just never followed through. Gagua2028 wrote: The plan was too much dependent on luck despite Madara taking so desperate measures as to implant the 3 tails in Rin and let her get killed by Kakashi specifically when Minato wasn't present! No, not really. Zetsu are perfect spies, Madara must've planted a few to ensure he knew Minato's schedule. Zetsu can copy chakra and appearances, so a few planted strategically could convince people that sealing the 3-tails in Rin and sending her to Konoha as a biju bomb would be a great idea. He could similarly use a few to keep guard for when they showed up, and "by accident" have Spiral Zetsu leak that information and aid Obito.

The rest of it was pretty much all planned. Obito had a Cursed Puppet seal on him so he couldn't go against Madara's plan (though notably, he could switch around the order of the plan e.g. resurrect madara later), Black Zetsu would have the power to force him to do specific tasks, and Nagato seemed poisoned by Obito's words into concocting a similar plan, so worst-case, Madara would still have most of his plan set in motion.

Even then, BZ was supposed to be his will, and Madara knew of Edo Tensei, so if things truly went dire then his own Will could simply Edo Tensei him and so restore him to his own agent. But even then, Obito implies he tried to kill himself and because of the Curse Seal, couldn't do even that. He had literally no choice but to enact the plan, and only could become TTJ because he was able to survive Kakashi's chidori long enough (the circumstances of which were mostly luck).