Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-32037750-20180228045457/@comment-24312338-20180430001456

He was very strong indeed. Strong enough to kill Hashirama and pre-JJ Madara with a pinky flick.

What people don't realize is that Guy was actually in pathetic shape before entering 8th gate. His wounds were interfering against Madara. He would have killed Madara in literally 2 seconds if his arm hadn't been damaged during his previous fight (which to be fair was a requirement for story purposes). Even in this compromised state I still say he was stronger than either naruto or sasuke individually. He had the upper hand against Madara and was only unable to finish him off due to stamina issues due to exhaustion in his previous fight. Even then, he could have killed Madara if he managed to land a direct hit. Madara had no real counter to his space time distortion-based phasing.

7th gate guy ? He is still definitely stronger than Hiruzen/Jiraiya/Orochimaru in my book. He should be as strong as if not stronger than KCM Naruto.