Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34436445-20180604184258/@comment-34194151-20180711213549

Neji didn't have much experience with an intelligent long range fighter, and as a result he nearly died. And at the end of the day, the only reason he won was because Kidomraru didn't know that gentle fist users can send chakra through materials over long disantces # INEXPERIENCE. IF he simply known to cut off the string from his mouth, he would have stomped neji.

Madara is too experienced, time spent in battle+ he is a prodigy, + he lots of general experience+ he has seen FTG. Minato is a specialist in the use of FTG, but madara has already seen it, So Minato can't outsmart him with it. Madara has too much of a head start. Madara has seen enough battle to see through Minato's tactics, especially because he has already seen the FTG in action. Meanwhile minato can't compare to Madara because he hasn't seen any where near as much battles.

Kakazu may have live 92 years, but time isn't the only factor in experience. We don't know how many battles he has had, what types of opponents he has faced, and how much he has learned from each battle, he was never stated to be a prodigy/genius. Sure he definitely has a lot but, Madara verifiably has been fighting day in, day out, well before puberty and was established as a prodigy. He grew up in the warring states period, cmon.

You do realize that wood clones and shadow clones are literally the most advanced types of clones right? They aren't common. Kakazu fought Hashirama once and he got clapped. There is no one else he could have fought against that could use multi shadow clone jutsu the way hashirama and naruto do, they are the only ones with high enough reserves and skilled enough to spam clones. And Even if its true, he fought the shadow clones like a complete noob, so he was clearly inexperienced. You can say its PIS if you want, but it proves my point either way. Either Kakazu was experienced enough and lost to naruto's plot armor, or he was inexperienced specifically against advanced clone strategies and that was why he got clapped.

Veteran ninja have lost to 15-25 year olds either because of underestimation, or holes in their experience, or significant stat differences. There are chess masters who are kids that can beat adult chess veterans. why? Because time isn't the only factor. Geniuses learn at a faster rate than the average population, so they can catch up in experience in a shorter amount of time. But even so, there are limits. Because time is still a factor. Even if you are a genius with 100 years of time learning, But I am an average person but with 1,000,000 years of time spent learning you still can't catch up yet. Madara's time spent in combat is very large even compared to Minato, who fought in one world war. Madara was also established as a genius/prodigy, so Minato despite also being a prodigy can't catch up to that simply because Madara has too many battles on him. IF they switched time periods, Minato would beat Madara because then he would have the experience advantage.

And you have yet to show me an example of a tactical win against an opponent who was experienced against said tactics. Tactics only beat someone who is inexperienced in the types of tactics being used. Why do you think Zabuza lost to Kakashi the very first time? The dude was so ignorant about the sharingan tactics that he thought kakashi could see the future. But next time they rematched, he played it smarter because he learned from the previous experience. He still lost eventually, because kakashi opened up another gap in his experience, zabzua didn't think anyone could actually track him by scent. I could go on.

Anyways, I hope you take all of what I have said here into consideration, because there a lots of variables.

I have established that Madara outclasses Minato in experience, why? warring states period+Madara's talent in combat. He has also seen minato's fighting style before.

Two, Madara significantly outstats Minato in everything except running speed and Minato's instantaeous travel. So the stat differences aren't in Minato's favour.

EMS Madara can react to Tobirama with ease. there is a reason why Hashirama was handling madara and not tobirama. Speed =/= everything, and running speed =/= reflexes. His counter to FTG is his massive experience advantage + common sense. He can see the Marked Kunai. HE keeps the kunai in front of him where he can see and there is no blind spot. If minato throws kunai behind him Madara simply changes his position. Its not like madara is some bumbling idiot, once he sees marked kunai being thrown out he will catch on to what minato is trying to do. Then the real question is, what is MINATO doing to madara? Blitzing him? and then what? He gets bodied in CQC. EMS madara can use a sword, his scythe, and gunbai, his sharingan. Minato isn't capable of speed blitzing Madara's head off without a contest. HE doesn't have to stop minato from escaping his attacks because at the end of the day, Minato is a close range fighter, minato will come to madara. And in the game of evading his attacks, Madara can simply out last minato. The issue with your argument is that you thinking about how FTG can be countered instead of how Minato can be countered. He has less stamina, has the experience disadvantage, and only has speed to show for stats, Madara is the overall superior shinobi. His instantaneous movement didn't save him from losing both of his arms in CQC in the war.

FTG spam is still limited in that the user of the jutsu is still a human. He isn't some unfallible god. everytime he teleports in, there is an instant he is vulnerable. everytime he fights in CQC he is vulnerable if he gets hit before he can teleport out. Teleporation is an active skill, it requires focus. You just need to disrupt their focus, and hit them with a well placed, well timed, attack, before they can teleport. If he was as unfallible as you claim, then he wouldn't ever have been tagged by anyone cause instantaneous speed is faster than anything. At that point, there is no point in discussing Minato because he basically solos the verse, except he doesn't.