Talk:Nonō Yakushi

Name
Just so you know, she's a nun. Sister is a common term used when they call each other. In Urushi's case, it's probably a term of endearment because she is so young.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 11:37, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * So change the name? —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me) 11:39, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be best in my opinion, though I don't know if she's actually his sister.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:54, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah I see. Probably next chapter there'll be more. :D —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me) 11:58, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Uhm, does anyone have access to the Japanese script? I know it comes out with spoilers sometimes. Mangastream's thing calls her "Hyoko" I'm wondering if anyone can verify that?--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 14:34, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * ah, maybe I should've posted it here, but meh... Just in case anyone is wondering who's the Hyoko mentioned in mangastreams J-Preview: It's not the caretaker's name, as depicted in mangastream's "translation", but rather a sound word for peeking/poking out. Seelentau 愛議 18:07, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Mangastream? Isn't that working? What's the link? —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me) 09:58, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Huh? o.ô Seelentau 愛議 10:52, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's ok Seelentau, I saw your previous post so I changed it to a more generic name for the time being.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:11, April 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * @Seelentau, LATE: I mean if Mangastream still release Naruto manga. —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 09:17, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

When was she called Nanigashi, and what does that mean? Diamonddeath (talk) 06:44, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what it means, but it was her alias in Iwa.
 * The name meaning is also noted in her article.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:45, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

appearance
I know she has temporary adopted Kabuto, but isn't it weird she really looks like his mother ? Eyes,face,hair 0_o--Elveonora (talk) 12:32, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

I believe it establishes a sense of connection between Kabuto and the nun. It seems more fitting she would take a motherly role considering the fact she looks like she could actually be his mother.74.99.77.194 (talk) 15:16, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Kabuto's adoptive mother
Can we list her as Kabuto's adoptive mother as depicted here ? Shakhmoot (Talk) 12:54, April 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Go ahead.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 13:01, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think we should. What's going to happen to Captain of the Konoha Medic Corps? I think the word "mother" in that sense wasn't meant to be taken so literally since she was probably that to all the orphans.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 14:29, April 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's indeed right Cerez, it's better to wait for the next chapters to clarify this point perfectly. As known that the Captain of the Konoha Medic Corps's gender is still unknown, perhaps something happened before Kabuto went to him and after become adopted with that woman. Shakhmoot  (Talk) 14:46, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * From the chapter 583 and the previous ones, it's clear that this woman is likely the medical captain...Kabuto was found as a child near a destroyed village (likely as the result of the Battle of Kikyo Pass), he was found by someone skilled in medical ninjutsu and raised as that person's child and then used as a spy by Konoha. It strikes me as redundant that he would go through that process twice with another person, plus it's stated that he was raised since infancy at which by the end of 583 he was likely in his late-teens at least...Darksusanoo (talk) 15:39, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Thought after the battle of Kikyo Pass, Kabuto already wore the glasses. Not to mention Nonu was killed by Kabuto before he went to Konoha and Nono ceased being a Ninja/root member so she could not be the Konoha's medical captain at that time or after--Elveonora (talk) 15:47, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming that you say this due to the fact of the pic of the battle showing Kabuto's face...though that was shown through Anko's perspective, who likely never saw the actual battle and only ever saw Kabuto with glasses, plus he was only stated to work as a spy for the Leaf not which specific conditions. It doesn't make sense that Nono isn't his adoptive parent. That would mean he would have been recruited by the Leaf twice for the exact same job. Plus she could have been the medical captain before joining the Root, they never said when the person was captain of that division or not Darksusanoo (talk) 15:54, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * This Kabuto looks much too old to have been the child in that image. Nonō could have been the Medic Corps Captain since she never stopped being a shinobi, she simply quit Root. For all we know all three of those people running the orphanage are Konoha shinobi. I think the issue is that there isn't a strong enough connection/ link yet between Konoha and the orphanage/the people that run it.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 16:02, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * From what i could tell Nono was they only shinobi and link to the village given the statements of the other two caretakers Darksusanoo (talk) 16:07, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

@Darksusanoo, just saying what we know, not if it's logical or not. @Cerez, do you think we might have a retcon here ?--Elveonora (talk) 16:08, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think this is a retcon. It was never specified when his adoptive parent was the Medic Corps Captain. And given the fact that she was his adoptive parent and knew Medical Ninjutsu, this could all easily be cleasred up if we're told that she was said Captain. Skitts (talk) 16:10, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

"After the Battle of Kikyō Pass ended, the captain found Kabuto amongst the dead enemies and brought him back to Konoha, raised him as a son, and taught him medical ninjutsu when he got older" She did not bring Kabuto to Konoha, was not a captain at that time if ever. EDIT: I would really laugh if Orochimaru turns out to be Konoha's medic corps captain--Elveonora (talk) 16:23, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * For all we know, that orphanage is in Konoha. We also don't know whether or not she wasn't a captain of the medical corps. Also i think you're looking at it that the person who found him was leader of the medical-nin? It's possible that she was simply the leader of a team.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk)

Anything is possible at this point ... well, I guess we will have to find out next week with a flashback in the 3rd chapter of Kabuto's Chronicles series ... lol. I'd like to know ShounenSuki's opinion on this--Elveonora (talk) 16:42, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Nun?
Are you really sure she is a nun? —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me) 04:01, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Maiden or medium?
I read in the Mangastream scanlation, it reffered to Nono as the Walking Medium not Maiden, the first does make more sense given her abilities in intelligence gathering...can anyone verify that? Darksusanoo (talk) 15:56, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * If she was a Nun, then "Maiden" would make more sense. =P I suppose we should just wait on ShounenSuki or Seelanteu to provide a translation. Scanlators be damned. Skitts (talk) 16:01, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Lool Mangastream translations. I think we can leave it as is until we get raws. Maiden makes more sense to me though.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 16:02, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * According to the spoiler script, the kanji used are "巫女", which can refer to either a "Miko" or a "medium" if Tangorin is correct. Blackstar1 (talk) 16:15, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Recognition
I think she couldn't recognise Kabuto due to not wearing her glasses.
 * Isn't that why Kabuto placed his glasses on her face so she could see?--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:45, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

"Facepalm" she gave him the glasses and his name. Reasons why she could not recognize him are unknown--Elveonora (talk) 17:42, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Its now shown in the article. Root brainwashed her.Undominanthybrid (talk) 04:00, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Rank Issue
There's a small issue as to what her true rank is/should be stated to be. Hiruzen stated that she was a Jōnin yes? But she's an Anbu. It makes sense that after leaving Root she'd join the regular forces and assume a "regular" rank. The problem is, do we list her as an Anbu or Jōnin?--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 14:44, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * The same as it is for Kakashi, who also left the ANBU: Jonin. Skitts (talk) 16:33, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh yeahhh. I forgot the was a pretext to go from.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 16:36, April 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hang on a second. Should we really list her as captain of the medical team? Wasn't that a fake backstory created by Orochimaru? And considering that she died while infiltrated, I think she was acting as a Root spy, which would make her an ANBU at the time of death, not a jōnin. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:23, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fake backstory, huh? If I remember correctly, it was Hiruzen and Anko in discussion about Kabuto that said that,before the preliminaries of the Chunin exam, not Orochimaru. And it was pretty clear Nono was no longer an ANBU, that was simply a mission Danzo believed only she could do. Skitts (talk) 18:33, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * In chapter, it's revealed that that story was fabricated by Orochimaru. Anko and Hiruzen simply knew a false story. Nonō had left ANBU, but then returned for that mission. She went back when Kabuto was recruited, and was still deeply infiltrated when Kabuto killed. She stayed as a spy for years after returning. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:03, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ugh. This is so confusing to me somewhat. I don't want to believe that Hiruzen and others just accepted that he was found by "a captain of the medical corps" and just left it at that. I'd assume from his last name they knew who Nonō was and what was false was the fact that she have actually "adopted" him officially. As for her rank, I know she was acting as an Anbu spy nit at the time wouldn't the village have officially recognised her as a Jōnin? --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 19:52, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Was it even confirmed her last name was Yakushi? Also, you shouldn't complicate things. Orochimaru made it clear that the story of Kabuto being found by the Captain of Konoha's Medical Corps was made up, so you shouldn't dig deep to find something that may or may not exist. You should just rely on the information that Kishi-sensei left and change the article, in my opinion anyways. 2chikage (talk) 23:57, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Orochimaru explicitly calls her Nonō Yakushi, so unless the raw shows that this was a mistranslation, yes, her surname is confirmed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:18, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I see that I forgot a considerable amount ipof information from the previous chapter; Golden Week meaning no new chapter saddened me. Anyway, I still don't think she should be considered an ANBU, since the whole reason for Danzo requesting her to perform the mission was because she was the only one he believed could carry it out to the end. That doesn't necessarily make her an ANBU, since it seems likely to have been a one-time request rather than her coming back into the fold. Skitts (talk) 01:36, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

If she was still a Konoha-Nin at the time, it's possible she wasn't an ANBU. You're right, Danzou only gave her this one mission that meant she was of a high position. Since Danzou approached her and not Hiruzen, it must mean she worked once again under Root for this one request. In any case, I think the statement of her being the Captain of the Medical Corps should be changed, considering it was proven as a cover up for Kabuto's past. 2chikage (talk) 01:48, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Thing is, from the moment she was recruited, to the moment she died, years passed. She spent those years as an infiltrated spy. Even if it was a one-time thing, during that one-time, she would be acting in the capacity of a Root ANBU. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:56, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Well can the statement of her being the Captain of the Medical Corps be removed? 2chikage (talk) 19:19, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * What gives you the idea that she wasn't a captain of the medical corps? Orochimaru fabricated the information that Kabuto was officially adopted by Nonō and not that he was "just another orphan" I think they are in fact the same person, otherwise there are loose-ends in his story like why would people in the village just accept that story like that? Going from Kabuto's last name they'd go "oh, is Nonō adopt him, then everything "checks" out). He's posing as her adopted some without having her there to verify said information.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 19:51, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

There's one big flaw in your logic Cerez. She has already ceased being a Ninja and became a nun. Thus she could not be the Captain of the medical corps. Not to mention after she took a job from Danzo again, she was not in Konoha for years, and at the time Kabuto returned to Konoha (after Oro fabricated the story) she was ALREADY DEAD. Yeah, so people just believed Kabuto is adopted by a chick that ceased being a ninja, nowhere to be seen and is dead BUT Captain at the same time ... they would say "adopted by ex-captain"--Elveonora (talk) 21:28, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * There was nothing wrong with Cerez's logic. You're assuming that Orochimaru meant that Nono was the current Captain of the Medic Corps, which obviously wasn't true. However, around the time of the Kikyo Pass battle, she may have been. And I think it's stupid to think she wasn't the captain at that point when Hiiruzen himself said she was. Skitts (talk) 21:47, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, so everyone assumed he is adopted son of dead person. Again you missed my point, even if she really was a Captain at the same time as being a nun, okay. But before the story was created, she was already dead... It's not suspicious that he is a son of long dead person that wasn't even in Konoha. Not to mention if she really is the Captain, what Oro "fabricated" is not made up but true. Thus nope.--Elveonora (talk) 21:57, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Edit Conflicted
 * Actually, that's the whole grey area in this story is the orphanage.
 * Normally speaking "nuns" (if that's what they are) and "monks" (if that's what he is) do not live together any at all, where the orphanage is and why Konohagakure would be funding it are also the other issues (although them acting as aids to the shinobi and being paid for it might be the explanation for this). I think if that was cleared up everything would be fine.
 * I don't see a reason she couldn't have been serving as one of the captains of the medical team in a different capacity or else was one in the past. She was also said to have defected from Root, not the village. I'd also like to point out that it's likely that there are more than one captains of the medic corps.
 * As for them carrying Kabuto back to the village and saying Nonō adopted him, I don't see any issue with that either, especially with her not there to neither confirm nor deny it— that's why it is the perfect cover. It's nothing but a last name and a reason some strange kid was in the village at times. No one in Konohagakure would have known Nonō was dead except Root members if anyone at all. How exactly would they have known about this in any case?--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 22:01, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

"After the Battle of Kikyō Pass ended, the captain found Kabuto amongst the dead enemies and brought him back to Konoha, and raised him as a son."

Not to mention Nono is not even her true/official name just an alias like "Sai" or "Yamato" thus she was not even known by such name in the village IF she is the captain. Thus being son of Nono Yakushi the captain that possibly never existed is very suspicious unless Hiruzen was really naive/dumb. There must be something more going on and brain power is required to solve this issue.--Elveonora (talk) 22:20, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Kabuto was in the orphanage for 3 years, she has not brought him into Konoha (unless the orphanage in somewhere in the village)
 * 2) If she was a/the captain at the time she has raised Kabuto, that would mean she had ties with the village (thus her death and other circumstances would be known of. Not to mention the identities of Root members are secret, thus she could not be a captain in the village and being a root spy around the world at the same time. She has died as a Root member, not as the captain of medical corps. Kabuto defected from root and became an official Konoha Shinobi after she has died.)

"Aft the battle of Kikyō Pass..."
 * Isn't that information from the databook simply the lie that was perpetuated by Orochimaru? I don't understand what bearing that has on anything or her bringing him to the village. For all we know he was found at Kikyō Pass. This case is similar to someone going off on "vacation" (for want of a better scenario) and you moving into their house and telling neighbours that you're their relative. People might be inclined to believe you especially with someone like Orochimaru bringing you into the village (here I'm not sure whether or not he had defected from the village or Root as yet though I doubt this).
 * Yes she had ties with the village but how exactly would her death be known to Konohagakure when she's in Iwagakure under a different name on a mission they did not authorize? They'd realise she was missing yes and not know why, but not that she was dead. If anything her being dead and adopting a child would've been even more reason to take her in.
 * As for Nonō's name, I wouldn't know for certain whether or not that was her real name, though that does seem to be the case as Orochimaru incorporated it into Kabuto's cover. As as we've seen from Yamato, code names change.
 * The identity of Root members are not secret. The fact that they are in Root is what is hidden from people. People would see them and assume "oh it's an Anbu under the direct orders of the Hokage" not that they're working for Danzō. She left Root, hence the Anbu and would have joined the normal forces if Konohagakure didn't tell her to go in peace as with the Sannin etc.
 * You're not only taking Hiruzen for an idiot but an entire village. And while I'm not sure why you believe him to be so, I hardly believe that he would just up and believe an entirely false story and assume "Nonō Yakushi" was a person without knowing who that was. I really don't see any sense in arguing this any further, i'll simply wait until more information is provided to us.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 22:39, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

No, no .. I'm not in any way purposely offensive. I like to discuss ... that's what the talkpages are for, to improve the articles.

Again, you assume her true name is Nono Yakushi and she was a/the captain at/before the time she found Kabuto. But that would not make the story fabricated but a fact. Root being functional even after being officially disbanded, Hiruzen taking Anko back to the village after she has defected with him (at this time Oro was already a missing-nin and Hiruzen aware of his evil deeds) and a strap of paper being enough of a cover for Kabuto points to Hiruzen being naive and dumb.
 * If she is the captain and a Konoha Ninja, she was missing even before they got the story of Kabuto being her adopted son ... so a missing person adopted a son and sent him to Konoha ? "the captain of konoha medic corps" sounds like a living person.
 * Kabuto has not even grew up as a Shinobi in Konoha, all they needed to identify him was a fabricated story ... no one asked if his mother/parent is alive or where she is, thus they took the captain as a living person. Thus yes, they are stupid.

It's just hard for me to believe they are one and the same person.--Elveonora (talk) 22:55, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why would Orochimaru say that Nono had just now adopted him, rather than Kabuto being a child that she had adopted some time ago. And aren't you being a bit dense? No one's assuming that her name is Nono Yakushi, that's what Orochimaru said her name was and that whole time they were speaking of her. That was part of the pretext that he was her adopted son, having her surname after all. And this happened during the time of the 3rd World War it appears, so why are you assuming Root was disbanded? And at that time, Orochimaru was not a missing-nin; he defected a short time after Minato was chosen to become the 4th Hokage. Skitts (talk) 23:05, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

So what's the point ? The story was not fabricated because she has basically adopted him. So having a surname of the captain of medic corps was the fabrication ? (making Kabuto less suspicious for being a son of known person, a Konoha med corps captain) but she was dead and missing since Kabuto came to Konoha. ... thus the cover was not a cover at all.

Kabuto is 23, 3rd Shinobi War has ended 17-18 years ago (Minato was choosen as a Hokage right after it due to being a hero for turning tides of the war in benefits of Konoha and died 1 year after being elected.). Orochimaru was already a missing-nin at the time Nono has died--Elveonora (talk) 23:23, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Taking him in as an orphan isn't the same as adopting him (legally anyway) as her son. At the time that this happened, she obviously wasn't missing. Oh and sorry for the misunderstanding. I was talking about when Root and Orochimaru showed up at the orphanage that he wasn't a missin-nin nor was Root disbannded. Skitts (talk) 23:28, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

It's okay and I see. Still, what's the point as she was missing and possibly unknown to them dead. I still do not understand what's the purpose of the "cover" and how it prevented Danzo from killing Kabuto while in Konoha--Elveonora (talk) 23:37, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't understand something. With the little information that we have, why do you keep going back to the fact that Nonō was dead? In times gone by men used to send random women they had had sex with and gotten pregnant back home to their parents or houses with simply saying "it's my child take care of it and the mother" and they did just that. All lies are based in half truths, I still don't see why you believe Hiruzen and a village full of people to all be idiots but there's no way on earth that they would have just taken a random name out of nowhere and then everyone said "ok it must be true, take him into the village" with no suspicions. A lie stating that he was found by her and officially adopted would make much more sense than one that's completely false. The fabrication in this story is simply that Nonō had officially adopted the boy. As for Hiruzen allowing Anko back into the village- none of us know how or why Anko left the village whether it was voluntary or not (outside of anime fodder) so to speak on that is very premature. And like I said the last time you brought it up that means Hiruzen should have had Tsunade, Jiraiya and Shizune killed. Naruto should have been killed then for leaving what is apparently a concentration camp? not once but twice.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 23:51, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

What's the purpose of the fabrication ? missing/dead woman is the "mother" of Kabuto ... and as she was a Konoha Ninja, there's no reason for us not to trust the story and Kabuto. My point being is that Kabuto officially became a Konoha Ninja after her death/with her missing ... Is the fake cover Kabuto being an official Konoha Shinobi ?

Also what prevented Danzo from killing Kabuto ... let's say the Root was still official back then, thus Nono being known by Hiruzen as an official root member. Kabuto's death would be noticeable with her missing, and Danzo would the main suspect for that

These are things I don't understand--Elveonora (talk) 00:08, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

The story was made up to give him a reason to be let into the village. Telling them that Nonō/Mother had officially adopted the child I'd assume would be enough to let him in- that's where I believe the lie begins and the infant thing. I have no idea why Danzō didn't kill him but Orochimaru told him when he went back to Danzō (Root i'm assuming) he would be Kabuto Yakushi etc... i hope this'll be cleared up in the next chapter or something. But Nonō wouldn't have been known as a member, their operations/existence was secret. I'd suppose that even when they found out about Root, they never knew who its members were. To them, Nonō was just an Anbu that wanted out and such like Kakashi for example.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 00:18, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Lol, and people say that flashbacks are boring and pointless ... hope this will get explained soon.--Elveonora (talk) 00:26, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

So is it 100% clear that she is the captain ? I mean, if anyone view this page, what kind of proof/source is there thats sufficient ? Maybe "Warning: This article or section may contain false information. There is little or no citation on this information and its validity cannot be vouched for" would be adequate.--Elveonora (talk) 21:58, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's 100% clear she is, or rather was. Orochimaru's fabricated backstory was that he was the adopted son of the medic-coprs captain Nono Yakushi and up to that point they were speaking of Nono. It's rather obvious. =P Skitts (talk) 05:56, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that was true that she is the captain. Databook says. And how about Kabuto's ninja rank and age ? Do you think that was true? —IndxcvNovelist (Talk to Me|My Wiki) 06:19, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

I know she is the Captain ... but what proof is that she really was a captain and that it's not part of the fabrication. And good question about Kabuto ... are his rank, registration number and age also fabricated ?--Elveonora (talk) 18:45, May 3, 2012 (UTC)