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Kekkei tōta
Theory: Difference between Kekkei genkai and Kekkei tōta ...

We have seen a lot of bloodline limits and most of them are elemental but some are not (Dōjutsu,Shikotsumyaku,Sakon and Ukon's unnamed kekkei genkai) I believe that for example Uchiha, which their bloodline limit is Sharingan are able to learn advanced natures (Blaze Release) I dont think its a must to have for example Sharingan to have bloodline limit ... I believe that Uzumaki Clan have bloodline limit too, but about that later. What Im pointing to is that they dont need to have some obvious physical characteristic like weird eyes, 6 arm etc. to possess one.

So there are ones with manifested bloodline limit like Uchiha Clan's Sharingan and those with hidden powers like Uzumaki.

For example Onoki: He has bloodline limit hidden (no weird body structure) and possess: -Fire -Wind -Earth And as he has bloodline limit, he is able to create advanced nature - Dust release. But this is Kekkei tota not Kekkei genkai, but why ? Whats the difference ? that he is using 3 elements not just 2 ? Yes, but thats only half the truth ... He said his master has passed the secrets how to do so ... and thats why I believe that Kekkei Tota is a combination of Kekkei Genkai and Hiden technique. So the difference (example Haku) : He was born with Ice release and to use it, he has to combine wind and water ... and I assume that he knew how to perform wind and water release since birth as well. So those born with Ice release are automatically able to use water and wind because its needed to do so ... thats elemental kekkei genkai.

But Onoki had to train the fire,wind and earth release to be able to use Dust ... thats the difference. So in short, those with Kekkei tota have power to perform advanced natures but its hidden not manifested because their Kekkei genkai is not physical. Muu told to Onoki and trained him what elements he has to possess to be able to perform Dust release. So in theory, Kurotsuchi has: -Water -Fire -Earth And thus she is able to perform Lava release because its combination of Fire and earth. So she has to learn just Wind and she will be able to use Dust release as well.

And to end it all, I will take Wood Release as well. People in Naruto world assume that its Kekkei Genkai, but its not ... its kekkei tota. To perform Wood, Yamato,Hashirama and Danzo (maybe Madara too and its questionable if Zetsu's spore technique is wood release) have to combine water and earth release ... But here it is: It was never heard of that other Senju besides Hashirama used Wood release, but why ? Not all but a lot of people in Uchiha clan have Sharingan. As I said ... Wood is kekkei tota ... thus to be able to use it, one have to possess water and earth release ... not all Senju are born with that automatically. We have seen Tobirama use water but never earth release and thats why he cant use wood. So in theory, all Senju (or people with Hashirama's DNA) that are able to use water and earth have access to Wood as well. So why is not Madara able to use Wood Release ? He possess Earth release (and probably fire too as shown in anime and its Uchiha element) but he lacks Water. --Elveonora (talk) 20:15, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Blaze Release = Amaterasu + Yin Release
Sasuke cast Amaterasu with his left eye and Tsukuyomi with right, that according to 2nd Mizukage, genjutsu = Yin Release. So Sasuke first cast it with left eye and then give it form with his imagination (Yin) with his Tsukuyomi right eye.--Elveonora (talk) 18:54, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

Naruto's and Killer B's Jinchuriki Forms
We have seen Killer B using version 1 and version 2 of his transformation. Killer B's version 2 looks like Naruto's 4 tailed form and Killer B is able to summon/create Eigh-Tail's skull/bones to increase power of his Lariat. This is again similar to Naruto's 6 tailed form. So theory:

Version 1 is formed when the host is using his/her own chakra and less than that of Biju's chakra ... For example ratio 3:2 of Human/Demon chakra. But when the host will let himself/herself being overwhelmed with more of Biju's chakra with their own chakra suppressed for example ratio of 2:3 of Human/Demon chakra, the version 2 is formed. Since Killer B is friend with Eight-Tails, he was in control of it unlike Naruto.--Elveonora (talk) 16:47, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

6th coffin person is Izuna
Kabuto summoned 5 people: Itachi, Sasori, Deidara, Kakuzu and Nagato. 5 people, Izuna's name consists of 5 letters ... Also:

[I]tachi, Kaku[zu], [Na]gato = Izuna.--Elveonora (talk) 23:37, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Replies
On the kekkei tōta and kekkei genkai theory, lots of things already stated in the series contradict it. Wood Release was specifically called kekkei genkai both in the manga and in databooks. The meaning of kekkei tōta is literally "bloodline selection", which probably deals with selective breeding of shinobi from certain bloodlines so they show desirable traits. It's an artificial selection, that's what humans did to dogs, and the reason why there are so many different dig breeds. I don't think it has to do with hiden techniques as well, otherwise Deidara would be a kekkei tōta user as well. All of his exploding clay techniques were ranked as hiden in databooks, and he was recently revealed as a Explosion Release user, which is a kekkei genkai, so his techniques are at the same time kekkei genkai and hiden. So far, that has not been called kekkei tōta, and I don't think it will. For all we know, Mū and Ōnoki simply are relatives of some sort, or even offspring of people with the same desirable traits that had children, and both ended up with the same traits, and due to seniority, Mū tutored Ōnoki on how to use it.

On Blaze Release, I pretty much agree. Most of my thoughts on this are in my element recomposition theory page. While the chapter wasn't clear on whether Yin Release is just genjutsu (meaning only genjutsu is Yin Release) or if genjutsu is a sub-category of Yin Release (meaning there are non-genjutsu Yin Release techniques, or even non Yin Release genjutsu). From the moment Yin Release was said to deal with creating shape and form, Blaze Release started making some sense.

On jinchūriki forms, I think they only things ever said about it was drawing more power from the tailed beasts. The only thing about ratios in chakra regarding tailed beasts so far is how to perform the Tailed Beast Ball. I can see the ratio being applied to other things as well, but I don't see it as something that necessarily happens in this case.

On the sixth coffin, I don't think that's a very good reason to think it's Izuna. I think it's possible that it is Izuna, but I think that it's a much too obvious choice. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:08, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Really thanks for your time. Well, retcons are not uncommon ... it happened in Naruto before ... one chapter/databook says this and next the something else. If its really breeding, why Kurotsuchi and Kitsuchi have no such powers ?, thats right ... we dont know if Kitsuchi is Onoki's son. But why at least Kurotsuchi has no Dust Release then but instead she has Lava? So Uchiha + Hyuga = New Kekkei Tota ? That really dont explain why only Hashirama had Wood Release and why we have not seen Madara using it. Also Tsunade is both Uzumaki and Senju and she has no KKG or KKT. Deidara's mouths are the result of the Forbidden Technique he stole and it allows him to create his clay with those mouths on palm. His KKG is Explosion Release but those clays are Earth Natured. I really would not be surprised if Deidara's powers will later turn out to be Kekkei Tota since Onoki trained him. Thats why I think my theory is correct but we will have to wait for a new Databook.

I dont think Yin Release is only Genjutsu ... its many things that have something to do with "spiritual energy that governs the imagination, can be used to create form out of nothingness" I think Shadow Imitation Technique is pretty much Yin Release for example and Shadow Sewing Technique is Yin-Yang Release. Thanks you think its right :- ) Wonder what effect would have Amaterasu + Yang O_O

I think my 1st and 2nd transformation theory is right. Nine-Tails took control of Naruto with the 4th tail when too much of its chakra has leaked out and overwhelmed Naruto's own due to his unstable emotions from Orochimaru Sasuke talk. Naruto's 4 and 6 tailed forms are exactly like Killer B's version 2 transformation. Naruto's 1,2,3 tailed forms are still in ratio of 2:3 but he lose control already due to not being able to filter the hatred back then but still more or less aware whats going on. With 4 tails its already 3:2 and he is unconscious and Nine-Tails in control of his body. But Killer B and Eight-Tails are team/friends and theres no hatred with the chakra. Killer B is in control of his transformations and he can simply ask The Eight-Tail for chakra and can filter the ammount. And I dont think that Eight-Tails is draining Killer B's chakra since they are in good terms.

And I bet its Izuna :- ) Also I really like your advanced natures theories, it must have taken a lot of time to come up with these. --Elveonora (talk) 17:07, October 11, 2011 (UTC)