Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-28203534-20160509153448/@comment-28247797-20160511230505

@Kratos123456 Tobirama being as strong as MS Madara is debatable, the gap between EMS Madara and Tobirama is massive. In which is the incarnation that we're talking about, I really hope you aren't saying Tobirama = EMS Madara or is near it. And I've never said Madara can beat Hashirama, I'm just saying Hashirama needs SM to do it. Madara's PS handled 4 Wood dragons and went blow to blow with Hashirama's wood golem without his PS swords.

Where was it stated that the last battle during the war (In which where it was EMS Madara and the Uchihas vs Tobirama, Hashirama and Senjus) That it lasted for 24 hours? I highly doubt Tobirama would stand by and watch his brother fight Madara, especially since he talked about them fighting together in the old days. Who would Hashirama and Tobirama fight together? That's a stomp, literally the only person that's partially qualified is EMS Madara.

@UltimaDude Madara not having EMS is relevant. I don't doubt Hashirama would, but he'd need SM and I simply don't see Tobirama standing by and watching. I literally just re-watched it, Tobirama was five feet away. Everyone was bruised up fairly bad. I doubt any Uchiha at that time aside from EMS Madara could do anything like that to Tobirama. I'm not doubting that Hashirama could take Madara, I'm just saying that either A) Hashirama went SM eventually to do it. (He was also tired, I doubt he'd tire out if he hadn't used it.) Or B) Hashirama (Without SM.), Tobirama and the Senju teamed up to take Madara on because I simply don't see Tobirama/Senju just watching the fight or Hashirama beating EMS Madara without SM.