Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31568508-20170321130337/@comment-35622277-20170324223915

Namikazenaruto9 wrote: knowing never means that you can counter the ability I hope you do remember that and the fact that it works both ways. Hashirama knows about naruto's prowess too. No, you're misunderstanding me here. I meant that Naruto knows the nature of the ability, allowing him to come up with the most effective course of action. Naruto may have no direct counter, but he knows what's effective and what's not, and if Hashirama can counter it or not. Yes, it works both ways as well. Which is why it's a stalemate in the knowledge department. Namikazenaruto9 wrote: I don't get what was not moving? that time ten-tails was thrashing around and firing biju bombs. if naruto uses kurama avatar Hashirama can always pin down kurama and suppress and steal kurama chakra using the wood dragon, If naruto uses chakra arms they would be pin down by the God gates seal. Once Hashirama pins naruto down with wood release and the Seal he could finish him at his leisure. Somehow you are underestimating 1000 hands, The only person to have completely demolished PS were Hashirama and kaguya. Noone else has demolished Susanoo completely ever(particularly PS) So few chakra hands aren't going to save naruto. Again, you misunderstood me. Since Naruto knows he can be sealed with the Gracious Gates only if Hashirama enters Sage Mode, he won't let himself be subject to this easily. Since he also knows the nature of his Wood Style, he would fight without his Tailed-Beast Mode. He can also make Shadow Clones of multiple Kurama avatars to confuse Hashirama. Also, the Ten-tails thrashing around it's arms and moving it's head to fire TBB's is different from actively dodging. It's also significantly larger and slower than Naruto, and therefore easier to subjugate.

No, I am not underestimating the 1000 God Hands. I never said that he could match the technique blow for blow, but give him enough time to get away from it. Naruto isn't going to stand there and take the blow, given he's faster than the 4th Raikage, I'm sure he can move away from said AoE. The technique itself is too powerful for him to match alone. Hashirama would also most likely use it as his final trump card. Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Won't help him much. I mean even if he tries to exit the state the seal would still be on him and he would be pinned down completely like how madara was when he fought Hashirama in 4th great ninja war. Also Hashirama might try to extract the beast chakra or naruto's chakra using the wood dragon than what will he do? Sigh, why would he let himself be sealed by this technique? I'm pretty sure the seal doesn't work on moving targets, and can only be used while in Sage Mode. He pinned Madara down because Naruto already hit him with a technique, causing him to stop moving and allowing use of the seal. Since Naruto knows the nature of the ability I doubt he would make himself an easy immobile target for it to drop on his face, not to mention he would be on guard for it once Hashirama enters SM. Namikazenaruto9 wrote: It's true he does but problem is that he doesn't shows much of it in BSM even by going last's feats. IF he still has access to SPSM and the lava chakra (which could trump wood release) than maybe he has chance but in this state no it's a dream to think he might survive Hashi in death battle. I meant this not as direct counters, but the more versatile your opponent, the harder he is to predict and therefore battle. Namikazenaruto9 wrote: somehow I am not very convinced with your argument. When Madara fought Hashirama he encased Kurama in Susanoo to prevent wood release from affecting him. Can Naruto do that? no which is why Madara use was more effective and he had kurama in control by use of genjutsu which means he was even keeping it in enraged state. And we all know how troublesome is enraged kurama. So I would say Madara use might have been more effective even though he didn't had versatility. Naruto himself doesn't has too many jutsu only rasengan going by that logic. I don't think having the Tail-Beast enraged increases any power whatsoever. The only reason why Madara was hit by the technique in the first place was because he wasn't fast enough to dodge it, nor was he aware of the power of the technique. Keeping it under genjutsu control is less effective than a perfect Jinchuuriki able to manifest parts of Kurama at will. That's what I mean by versatility. Namikazenaruto9 wrote: why is that? because naruto can deactivate BSM? if that's so than Madara could have forced Kurama to retreat like summoning animal. but than how would he have escaped the 1000 strikes afterwards? He never escaped the technique, last I checked he took the entire technique to the face and was utterly destroyed. Reverse summoning doesn't work, as Kurama has no set place to return to, and he was Susano'o clad. He couldn't dodge it (was too big and slow), nor effectively counter it. The difference with Naruto is that he can erect a semi-effective counter, at-least giving him a narrow window to escape it. Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Even if you say They both are equal but hashirama will always have the upper hand because of wood dragon aka Chakra absorption. Sooner or later Naruto is gonna run out of gas and he would lose. Yes, this is true. They are near par with one another, however Hashirama's Wood Release gives him an upper hand as it specializes against TB's. This who fight is evened out by the fact that they both know each other's abilities, giving an edge to Naruto, but not so much Hashirama as Naruto's abilities are normally counter-able anyway. It gives Naruto knowledge of what to use or what not to use as the situation changes, so he can form better strategies during the fight. This is the same with Hashirama.

Like I said before, whoever makes the first mistake will lose this battle.