Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-24886865-20171122234112/@comment-9782468-20171218194413

Okay first of all, quit pyramid posting. It's making the thread needlessly long, especially with how long your nonsensical arguments.

Why did I note Kakashi was a Jonin level? Because while he was fighting Zabuza, he was a... wait for it... Jonin. Wow.

I already stated that yes, Zabuza had him beat at first. Because Kakashi himself stated he let his guard down and underestimated him. But guess what? As soon as Kakashi took the threat seriously, he beat Zabuza. Then again on the bridge, he decided to end it quick and again, beat Zabuza. This was even before Haku died. Also, if you remember, Kakashi actually allowed the kick to land. He stated he thought he'd be able to get more breathing room by getting kicked to the water. It was a mistake on his part, but he did actually let the kick land.

WHEN was it stated the Water Clones are superior? When and where? Seriously, tell me. Because as far as I know, it didn't happen. Because they're not superior. But go ahead and prove me wrong. All your link says is that the clone has the user's abilities. Which, guess what? The Shadow CLone has the user's abilities as well. There's no reason to admit i'm wrong because I'm not. In fact, every Water Clone only has a tenth of the original's chakra to begin with rather than dividing equally, and they can't even go too far from the original or they'll dissipate. Kisame's clone was a Substitute technique. He used a sacrificial body so it'd be able to take hits and whatnot.

Zabuza made Water clones at 10%. Sasuke before he was even Rock Lee speed could easily take down how many of them? 8? And you're putting Zabuza and Kisame in the same ballpark. So you're saying Sasuke could take on the 30% clone because he took out 8 10% clones? Cmon. And Naruto could beat Kage with less than 10%. So while 10% of Zabuza is much weaker than Sasuke as a Genin, 10% of Naruto is able to fight Kage, who are stronger than Zabuza (Zabuza lost to his Kage).

This argument makes no grammatical sense so I'm ignoring this.

Naruto's clone was still able to fight and land blows on the Raikage. With only 7% of his full chakra. Moot point.

Dai was inept. In every sense of a Ninja, he was inept. He mastered one jutsu, but that doesn't mean his other skills were good too. He was crap at everything except the Gates. Rock Lee is different because he wasn't inept. He passed the Chunin exams and even became a Jonin. He was a taijutsu pro even without the Gates. He could fight without the Gates.

Dai can't smack around god tiers. He can fight on level with Kage with every Gate unleashed. Might Guy, on the otherhand, could fight god tiers. Like the ones that Hashi openly stated were stronger than him.

8 Gates Guy would absolutely wreck every Swordsmen. It's not a contest.

It was literally only Senju vs Uchiha, the other clans started aligning with each. And the Senju did in fact end up beating the Uchiha, but they were very evenly matched. Hashi could beat most people but he only beat Madara in their last fight. Incidentally, the Uchiha were th only clan that his clan was warring with. But Hashi never went after the Land of the Waves specifically.

The swordsmen are nowhere near Madara level. Literally, make a thread. Go ahead, I dare you to. See if anyone agrees that the Swordsmen are Madara level.