Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34938099-20180621162725/@comment-27924662-20180625163327

Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 1. You are overhyping FTG way too much. By your logic, Minato can literally defeat anyone in the Naruto series. Whereas, on the other hand, he was literally shitted on or almost shitted on ( And got saved ) several times in the war. Minato isn't even as powerful as you are hyping him up to be. Minato has several times been damaged in battle even with the FTG. In the war, he got both of his arms ripped. If he was as fast as you are hyping him up to be, then he would've dodged Kurama's nail easily at the speed of light, escaped from Kurama and ran away like a bitch and would've fucked Kushina in the ass. Instead he gets stabbed and dies like a whore and gets both of him arms ripped in battle, gets almost killed by Juubito ( Probably twice. I don't remember ), gets instantly fucked by Madara, and needs to be saved ( Along with Sasuke ) by Naruto's Tailed Beast Chakra Arms when Obito was about to transform into the Ten-Tails Jinchuriki And no. Minato isn't retarded to waste his Chakra on something like circling around someone instead of directing attacking them. And you said that you are a proud Minato fan? To us, you are just like one of those Minato worshippers spread across the fandom. No wonder, some people have actually admitted that Minato is one of the most overrated characters in the series ( Next to Itachi, whose fanboys are 10 times worse ). You are seriously comparing a fight with Jubito with a fight with Madara? You are real funny guy. Hashirama is several tier below Ten-Tails Jinchuriki even with Sage mode. As for the nail stuff you should better read that panel, he was reeling from the after effects of Reaper Death seal. Whether he escaped or not is irrelevant since after the seal the death is certain. I made circling argument to emphasize the speed gain from Kurama which apparently someone forgot about totally. Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: 2. You forgot to mention that Wood Clones are much stronger than ordinary Clones. And Minato has never shown to create that many clones anyway. He only showed 2 or 3 maybe. And no. Minato can't create Kurama Clones. Even BM or BSM Naruto couldn't do that. Naruto could only accomplish that once he received an entire half of Hagoromo's Chakra. Yin Kurama's Tailed Beast Bomb would be completely useless against Base Hashirama. He has already countered Full Yin and Yang Kurama's Tailed Beast Bomb + Perfect Susano'o's Sword with Quintuple Rashomon. Not my call to prove Wood clones are stronger. You brought this "fact", mention the chapter. He created 4 in War and his Rasen howling circle uses several clones. Unless you are saying that Minato can't create multiple that is. I am not sure who was talking about Kurama clones, I only said clones can teleport Bijudama to point blank range. Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: 3. Hashirama has actually witnessed FTG's power in combat. Hashirama has seen EACH and EVERY move of FTG and how it works in the war. Whereas Minato doesn't even probably know what Hashirama's Techniques actually do. Minato has no idea what Hashirama actually fights like. His abilities are completely unique and different in battle. Actually witnessing someone's techniques in battle for 30+ years and just knowing someone's abilities from some random book is a huge difference. Hashirama only doesn't know about Guiding Thunder, which was invented by Minato. Again, he can obviously counter once he sees it in battle. Hashirama can do several things with Wood Style. The book probably doesn't even know half the things Hashirama can do. Because most of the techniques were only in the battle with Madara. The only common and well known techniques which some characters know are Wood Release: Deep Forest Emergence and Wood Release: Deep Forest Bloom, which higher ups like Danzo and Tsunade knew. Even someone as intelligent as Sakura only knew that Hashirama only used Wood Style in battle. She had no idea about what techniques he had. First of all Tobirama is only creator. He hasn't uncovered every FTG move. FTG was customized and perfected only by 4th. As for halft the techniques you are talking about its quite clear that my last reply didn't reach you. they won't effect him. And Sakura isn't even on high tier of intelligence last I checked. She is a tier below someone like these Geniuses. Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: 4. Wood Style is far more versatile than FTG. Minato barely has 4 Techniques with it. Minato doesn't even as much Chakra as you are hyping him to have. Just stop lmao. Minato can't just teleport anything of any size randomly forever and ever. He has never shown it by feat. And in the OP, I've clearly stated that only actual feats are allowed. Honestly, you are overhyping Minato WAY too much. Minato was literally tricked by Obito, when he almost got killed by a Truth Seeking Ball and then Tobirama had to come and save his ass. ^At best an opinion. Also Number really doesn't matter or have you forgotten about Kamui. And as for teleporting ,in any situation he can teleport himself away which is much chakra effective than any of Hashirama's Wood moves. I am pretty sure I said this before and I will repeat again, Hashirama is not even in same class as Jubito.

Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: While it's certainly possible that Minato can use BSM, he has never done it in the battle. Since both the Characters are in their actual character like in the series ( As mentioned in the OP ), I highly doubt Minato would do something like that. Negative emotion sensing can only sense "negative" emotions apparently. It can only sense emotions such as strong hatred and killing intent. That is the reason why Naruto has never used his Kurama Mode for sensing up till this date. The Kurama sensing only worked for Zetsu and the Akatsuki members ( Kisame Hoshigaki ). I know it sounds odd but that's how it is lol. He only uses his Sage Mode, if wants to sense attacks or sense something. And another thing, "Despite Minato Namikaze having mastered full control of Yin-Kurama sealed inside of him, he didn't demonstrate access to this technique." - Naruto Wiki, Trivia. https://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Negative_Emotions_Sensing That's trivia. Not a fact. As far as I remember Kurama mastery comes with negative sensing. Also you are saying Hashirama won't have killing intent when he is trying to kill Minato in this fight. What a logical argument. For BSM, Kurama stores Nature energy. As far as I remember Kurama has shown that ability so moot point. Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: 5. Hashirama's Medical skills should be considered in my opinion. His healing prowess literally surpassed even Tsunade's. And you know powerful Tsunade is in Medical Ninjutsu. Surpassing her is definitely a HUGE feat, as aside from Sakura Hashirama was the only one in the entire world who had Healing prowess surpassing that of Tsuandes. I never mentioed the fodder ninjas actually. I only implied how much effective it would be in this current battle. Surpassed in what? only healing his limbs. Tsunade's medical skills are unrivalled for most part. And Kurama's chakra does same thing as I recall. Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: Yes, Hashirama's taijutsu and Genjutsu are actually definitely worth mentioning. His Taijutsu, at the age of 12, was on High-Jonin Tier level. And by the time he became a Hokage, he destroyed an Old Hirunzen ( Which is still a huge feat ) in battle, with plain hand to hand combat and was said to be equal to Madara in Taijutsu till the end. When you see Madara literally destroying the entire 4th Division with just Taijustu, you can see how powerful Hashirama's Taijutsu would be. His Genjutsu was so powerful, that even Hiruzen, one of the strongest Kage ever, could not dispel it till the end. ( By the way, Hiruen's rustiness has nothing to do with releasing Genjutsu. Just in case if you were trying to say that, that would be a shitty argument. ). As seen with Naruto, who also became Hokage, rustiness only affects battle senses and overall stamina. To be honest, Hokage Naruto's overall Chakra Control looks about 10 times better than before, when he wasn't rusty.( And this is considering the fact he got rusty for the sake of the plot ). So, it wouldn't really affect Hiruzen's Chakra control in dispelling a Genjutsu. Calm down brother. You are using filler facts. No one said anything like that about Hashirama in manga as far as it in concern(and even in anime as I recall). And he didn't beat old Hiruzen in exchange, Hiruzen just let him believe that while simultaneously putting paper bombs. That's trickery. And again you keep bringing non-factor to the fight. What is genjutsu gonna do against Jinchuriki? Heck to even attempt Genjutsu the opponent should be in range something which you cannot guarantee in this case. Arturia Pendragon00000 wrote: 6. The Tailed Beast Bomb is a useless technique in this specific battle. I already explained this above. Can you point it out again, I think so I missed it.