Talk:Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki

Chakra natures
Is the information that Rinnegan gives the user ability to master all basic chakra natures enough to put them in his infobox?--LeafShinobi (talk) 16:51, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, but the fact that he created ninjutsu is enough to put it there.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 17:12, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * He discovered the mysteries of chakra. Considering that after the Sage, Madara is the earliest known user of the Rinnegan, and that people already fabled the Rinnegan as allowing one to use the five natures, it makes sense for him to be listed as having them. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:37, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Not to mention he created that Banana Fan thingamajig. I don't think he could've made that without knowing them. Skitts (talk) 18:29, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Rinnegan
Are we really sure that Sage had the Rinnegan before becoming a host ? I think it's a speculation.--Elveonora (talk) 16:07, November 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem with that statement is that we've only seen him with the Rinnegan. Joshbl56  18:17, November 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't understand how the two incidents are related? The eldest son wouldn't have inherited a dōjutsu if that were the case, tailed beast skills aren't hereditary.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 18:20, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Are you sure ? Naruto and Gaara are affected by their Tailed Beasts and tell this to Uchiha. Ten-Tails has eye that looks like Sharingan, if having a tailed beast is not hereditary, then there would be no Sharingan in Uchiha. Unless Sage had Sharingan as well. --Elveonora (talk) 19:02, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure given the information we have currently. Naruto and "Gaara" (to some extent though his father has the same eyes so I can't speak 100% about the rings or even his abilities) gained physical traits from their beasts, not otherwise. There is Rōshi but at the same time we don't know if he'd be able to use it without the beast. The Sharingan is an "offspring" of the original and apparently only dōjutsu: the Rinnegan. We've even seen where Kabuto has said "what lies beyond the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan..." It seems like somewhere along the line on descendants the eyes changed etc. The Jūbi's eye cab look like all three of the great dōjutsu if you wanted it to.--Cerez365™ 19:16, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

We are at least pretty sure (at least now) that Sharingan is from Ten-Tails, unless as I said it would mean that Sage had both. That would really make him a God. I don't think he had any eye powers before of becoming a host, that's why I'm discussing this and why the page is speculative saying he found jutsu thanks to Rinnegan. --Elveonora (talk) 19:22, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

I would like to hear more people's opinions on this and admin's as well. --Elveonora (talk) 20:27, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

I think that saying he got the Rinnegan because he became a host is highly speculative. We've known him as having the kekkei genkai for much longer than him having the beast. Like it was said already, there we've never seen him without the Rinnegan, or at least awakening it for the first time. Considering what we know about it, I think it's least speculative to say he had it before. While sealing the Ten-Tails is a big feat, he is first and foremost known for discovering chakra and creating what came to be called ninjutsu. To seal something, use of fūinjutsu is required, ergo, we would have had to discover ninjutsu before sealing the Ten-Tails. The Rinnegan was said to allow one to use all sorts of ninjutsu. This leads me to him having the Rinnegan before sealing the Ten-Tails. I'm not saying the other way is impossible, but it would require more explanation, so this sounds much more likely to me. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:01, November 29, 2011 (UTC)