Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-2064642-20180217165859/@comment-26107879-20180323085335

@Madara

So you're saying your word is over Kishimoto? Stating the Databooks aren't true just because people can misinterpret them, does not mean they aren't true lol. They're written by Kishimoto and Kishimoto's word is law.

Besides, it's also stated in the Manga, so what's your point? You're saying the Manga isn't true either? Also when did Orochimaru state that knowing all the jutsu in Konohagakure is impossible? Provide a reference. I gave my proof with a chapter on the Manga and an entry from the Databook. Heck, I'll throw another reference at you just for fun. The wiki itself states it under Hiruzen's abilities section on his profile. So, now that I provided even more proof, you have to disprove them with references. Also when was Minato stated to be the greatest, provide a reference for that statement. Don't just say things to look right. Hiruzen was actually stated by someone in the manga to be the strongest in Part 1 chapter 94, not Minato. Nothing was known about Minato except he sealed Kurama in Naruto and that he used Rasengan.

No. Hanzo for example was shown to beat the three Sannin (Chapter 396), yet he was gradually weak and out of practice even stated by Mifune and lost to Mifune, even though he was reanimated (Chapter 531). Not to mention, the reanimation is stated to reanimate someone as they were when they were alive, not prime (wiki). So Hiruzen wouldn't just be godly due to his old body, out of practice, and Chakra reserves (he still has a Chakra capacity that just doing two Shadow Clones was harsh on him.

So here are the facts utilizing Manga.

1) Hiruzen has all jutsu in Konoha according to chapter 120.

2) Hiruzen defeated three opponents stated to be Hokage level at the cost of his life while at 70, but would of won if he was only 60, chapter 116-138.

3) Databook statements are right until proven wrong.

4) All Hiruzen's skills, abilities, reserves, and physical prowess diminished during the years and all are stated to be far greater in his prime (wiki which will have other references).

Edit Note: Don't know why that was changed to whatever that was.