Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-24168857-20150708081120/@comment-25115953-20150801070102

Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: Vacent wrote: No one is fanboying. Naruto was inadequate in both the battle against the original Shin, and the ones against the clones. Kurama first stated it had been a while since they had fought, later when Naruto gets impaled both come to the conclusion that Naruto is not himself because his battle senses have deteriorated. The most logical conclusion when put together is that inactivity on the battlefield has made him become weaker. Sasuke's sword pierced Naruto's chakra covered form, that should not have been possible even with Sasuke being in Kurama's avatar head.You say Naruto still possesses RSM yet he lacks all the distinguishing features Obito, Madara, and Hagoromo showed (9 tomoe & Rinnegan pattern on the back). Naruto has shown no indication he has Goudama or at the very most he is unable to recreate them. The power of flight seems lost to him as well. Sage Mode being more complex then Curse Seal is irrelevant, both involve the user handling Natural Energy. If Sasuke can deal with then latter then absorbing chakra from Sage Mode is not a hindrance to him. Don't know why you're bringing up Sasuke mastering Sage Mode because that was never being proposed, the issue is cab he absorb Natural Energy without turning into stone and the answer to that is a resounding yes. Sasuke's Chibaku Tensei can not be likened to Nagato's, how will Naruto counter becoming the center of gravity? By destroying himself? Itachi's method won't apply in this case. Sasuke has already come into physical contact with the Goudama, they're a non factor if Naruto even has then for starters. Sasuke's chakra reserves enables him to traverse dimensions, something only Kaguya does since she's essentially the progenitor of chakra. Reserves aren't a problem on Sasuke's end. I will use Gaiden as a reference because it's a canon part of the stories narrative written by Kishimoto. I'm not going to ignore it simply because it shows negatively on hid capabilities.

Inactivity does not imply the incapability to do anything, Gaiden wasn't about showing Naruto one-shot everyone. It was about Sarada and her father, not let's watch Naruto blow the shit out of everything. Sasuke's senses also deteriorated based on the shuriken incident. Naruto praising Sasuke when his daughter was around after telling her how cool her dad was literally doesn't mean anything. I mean, Sasuke is the second strongest guy in the world next to Naruto, and I mean, he's Sasuke. Why not praise his skills? Especially infront of his daughter who never met him before? As for the sword, unless you're saying Sasuke's sword > Chidori > Naruto's cloak, the sword incident shouldn't be counted since Naruto had let his guard down. Also, Naruto does still have SPSM. It's distinguishing features aren't the seals and symbols on his back. It's his face, when he has the same eyes he does in TBSM, but lacks any type of glowing or the red pigmentation around his eyes like in Sage Mode. Then he's in SPSM, and he used that in Gaiden. So yes, he does still indeed, have SPSM. Again, watch The Last. He can still fly, and Sasuke has never shown the capability of using chibaku tensei directly on Naruto's body. If he could do that on Naruto, he would have done it, and Naruto can counter it by breaking all of the rocks coming at him? Sasuke's reserves allowing him to traverse dimensions shouldn't be included, since it left him unable to use Rinnegan and even Mangeyko Sharingan. I'm not saying to ignore Gaiden, I'm just saying to stop blowing the things it shows out of proportion. When not used against characters of a certain caliber despite being your strongest power it does suggest the incapability to use it. The Gaiden is about Sarada period, not Sasuke. Regardless of it's purpose that is not quantifiable justification unless you're willing to prove that Naruto's performance was due to that. I'm not going to sit here listening to here say, and mental gymnastics when the answer was already given via Kurama and Naruto himself:THAT HIS BATTLE SENSE HAS DULLED. Any other attempted solution is baseless, and goes against what was stated. Moving forward, Sasuke's sword pierced Naruto's chakra cloak. Sasuke's Chidori in the VOTE fight merely sent Naruto flying. So yes, in that instance his sword is superior, Chidori has varying levels of power. Distinguishing features is the markings on the back, which Naruto possessed until after the original series end. Madara's commentary on RSM even shows a close up of the symbols. Sasuke's wanted to kill Naruto, nor seal him witch is the main purpose of CT. You're using the same logic you accused me of earlier in this post, "if he could have he would have" is terrible reasoning. Sasuke traversing dimensions should be included, he does it thrice in the Boruto film. > Reports back to Naruto > Goes to find Naruto (carrying several people) > Brings everyone home after Momoshiki is defeated

Nothing is being blown out proportion. People are just arguing against Naruto canonically being rusty as said by bone other then himself.