Talk:Sasuke Uchiha

QUESTIONS REGARDING TOPICS ALREADY IN THE TALK PAGE OR ITS ARCHIVES WILL BE REMOVED, ALONG WITH THE REPLIES TO IT

Age?
Why is he depicted as a year older than the rest of the rookies? --Xavier1261 (talk) 00:45, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, the ages originate from databooks in most cases--Elveonora (talk) 00:49, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Well alright but it seems odd considering he was 12-13 in Part 1 plus the wiki had it as 15-16 a few weeks/months ago--Xavier1261 (talk) 00:48, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Gaara who was born in January was 15 and Naruto born October was 15 according to the Shippuden Mini Databook on ShounenSuki's contributions page, which means ALL people were a year younger in the beginning of shippuden and Naruto was 16 when he fought Kakuzu. Which means Sasuke was INDEED 15 when Naruto and him met again at Oro's base. 6 months after that Sasuke betrayed Oro and we then get all the Databook 3 ages. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 23:04, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Sage Transformation
I believe Sasuke should be marked as a (former) Sage Transformation user as he had the Cursed Seal of Heaven, and Jugo said that his and his "copies" tranformation were the same thing. Any opinions? Darksusanoo (talk) 19:52, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * My opinion is that this chapter made things complicate where they didn't have to be complicated. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:16, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Except he didn't use Sage Transformation. He used the Cursed Seal of Heaven. A copy it may be, but that doesn't make it the same thing.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 20:50, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

He didn't, Sage Transformation is what Jugo's clan is using ... the difference is that the former is like a KKG, the latter is a tattoo and the workings are similar but not the same. But to make it simple, Sage Transformation is Natural Energy causing them to mutate due to their bodies passively absorbing it and the enzyme reacting, while Cursed Seal Transformation is Senjutsu Chakra (but not a Sage Mode 0_o) + Transformation At least that's how it appears to be--Elveonora (talk) 22:10, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Their body absorbing natural energies, and an enzyme reacting to it, transforming their bodies ... It's not a Senjutsu chakra as that's a balance of 3 energies, and they aren't manipulating natural energies themselves.
 * Curse Marks/Cursed Seal Transformation use Senjutsu chakra and an enzyme based on Jugo clan's,
 * Ok i get that...but i believe the curse seal works just like Jugo's clan abilities, but not in a perfect way since cursed seal users are only limited to one type of transformation...and i believe the whole Orochimaru Senjutsu chakra thing was a mistranslation of him talking about his revival. But i get the general idea. Darksusanoo (talk) 16:54, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Jugo's works {KKG-absorbs natural energy, enzyme causes body to mutate and triggers rage and madness = sage transformation] CS works [a modified enzyme of Jugo transforms a body, draws chakra, gives Orochimaru's senjutsu chakra] I don't think there are any mistranslations, raw is out already--Elveonora (talk) 20:07, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Uhm, didn't Jūgo himself say it was called Cursed Seal Transformation to those whom cursed seals were applied to? The only way someone can have Sage Transformation is if they're from Jūgo's clan.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 20:24, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yep, Sage Transformation is an actual result of their KKG, while Cursed Seal Transformation is due to a tattoo--Elveonora (talk) 20:30, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Can the resident translator clear these doubts off? Darksusanoo (talk) 20:36, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * But the thing is that the Curse Seal is made from Jugo's enzymes with some modifications, which in a sense is the same as Kakashi using a Sharingan, or Danzo and Madara using the Wood Release because they took the body part/DNA of the individual using said KKG. Darksusanoo (talk) 20:44, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Suki is gone, ask the new S.--Elveonora (talk) 20:45, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

The enzyme in itself isn't a KKG, only a result of it, like a fluid the bodies of a Jugo Clan's members do produce. A Cursed Seal host doesn't produce the enzyme because he/she have no such KKG, it's a sealing tattoo with the modified enzyme in it. EDIT: to make it simple, Sasuke nor other CS users didn't use Sage Transformation as that's something only Jugo Clan's member and Kabuto due to having Jugo's DNA can/could use--Elveonora (talk) 20:59, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hum...ok...i actually reached that conclusion myself, it actually makes somewhat more sense as whole since i never understood how a Cursed gave such a power-up by just forcing more chakra out of the user...i guess this would explain both the power up and the drain caused by the seal. Darksusanoo (talk) 21:59, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

P1 and P2 Infobox pics
I noticed earlier that someone added a Part 2 image to the infobox. I made a contribution myself, and it worked really well. So why exactly was it reversed? If those are outdated images of the characters, I think it's pretty unprofessional to not at least have both images selectable for the infobox. Look at the One Piece wikia.. and I know, I know, we do things differently here. but the One Piece Wiki uses both pre-timeskip and post-timeskip pictures for the characters, and nobody seems to complain, since they're recent. What exactly is the problem with keeping the infobox images accurate to the current plot of the manga? --M4ND0N (talk) 23:21, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * We list them as they were first introduced. For part 1 characters, that means part 1 images. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:42, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Deuteragonist in intro?
Why not add Deuteragonist in the intro? Its pretty clear at this point (it was in part 1 actually) ? I can add it myself, of course but just wondering is it not allowed or something? Very good article, like the rest :) Keep up the good work Narutopedia!
 * You do understand that Sasuke helped Itachi for self-serving reasons yes? You also do recall that he said he's still going to seek revenge yes? Sasuke's brief moment of inadvertently aiding the shinobi doesn't call for a change in his introduction.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 09:57, July 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Sasuke_Uchiha/Archive_6#Deuteragonist SaiST (talk) 14:25, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

@ Cerez Since when Deuteragonist has to be on Protagonists side? http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Deuteragonist "This person can be either with, or against The Protagonist - thus sometimes pulling double duty as a main Antagonist, though they are rarely the primary antagonist in these scenarios"

"..first named technique.."
Referring to Tsukuyomi. While I do not share the opinion that Sasuke has used the ability, I understand this wiki's decision to list it as one of his techniques due to the 3rd Databook's description of Susanoo's prerequisites. Still, none of the Genjutsu Sasuke's cast from his Mangekyo Sharingan have been identified as Tsukuyomi. I believe that the earlier edit(s), in which the first ability of Sasuke's Mangekyō Sharingan is PRESUMED to be Tsukuyomi, was more appropriate. SaiST (talk) 14:46, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Precisely because of what you mentioned before, the presumption was removed. It's better to let it as such until something is said otherwise.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 15:29, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

infant image
Shouldn't we use the anime version instead in a case that the anime's portrayal one is incorrect?--Elveonora (talk) 18:28, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Bump, I vote for the correct manga version of the image--Elveonora (talk) 19:53, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you because the anime could be different I believe somebody should put the manga version pic or one of his childhood pics. The manga, after all, is the original drawing. --199.189.81.8 (talk) 21:58, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

I believe we should always use the correct version--Elveonora (talk) 00:00, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the Abilities section
Does this section really need to be written like an advertisement?--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 22:30, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, cause Lord Sasuke deserves it--Elveonora (talk) 00:08, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

All character's ability sections are written like that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 05:30, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * True. All persons abilities sections are written to show them off, no matter what little is known of them.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 09:39, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Alright. I do think it's a bit worse than with other abilities sections, but that probably has to do with Sasuke's role in the story. Still, there are some odd things:
 * Sasuke is hailed as a genius, even by the battle-adept Uchiha clan's standards, excelling at all that he does and finding little difficulty in more challenging tasks.

Uhm, doesn't that ignore a significant part of the story where Sasuke is the less talented, little brother of Itachi!?
 * Overall, Sasuke has become highly proficent (sic) in all of his clan's techniques with advanced knowledge of their respective natures, despite his lack of formal training by relying solely on his innate talent and determination.

Respective natures!? Lack of formal training!? What is meant by that exactly?
 * Although not his favoured combat skill, Sasuke's taijutsu was at a very high level since the start of the series.

Shouldn't that be "not his favoured combat TACTIC", because his taijutsu skills are he foundation for his other skills.
 * Sasuke has displayed an above-average level of physical strength. Despite being weakened in the fight, he was [able] to lift and carry an unconscious Killer B (which was actually one of Gyūki's tentacles) with a single [one] hand.

Well, it's not as if anyone else has carried Killer B around, but with chakra enhanced speed and chakra enhanced strength almost everywhere, is that actually worth mentioning? Also, I pretty sure that he didn't carry Killer B "with a single hand", but carried him on a single shoulder. And calling it "above average"?
 * He also has high levels of stamina and endurance as he was able to withstand being battered, thrown and slammed around by Naruto in his jinchūriki forms,...

In his cursed seal mode! Isn't that important to mention?
 * After his Sharingan fully develops, he was also able to match the speed of both Naruto's initial jinchūriki form and one-tailed form during their fight, though couldn't completely dodge the latter's demon shroud.

Again without mentioning his cursed seal mode.
 * Furthmore (sic), his speed and precision have yet to leave his blade stained with any blood even when inflicting lethal strikes on his opponent.

Isn't that because he's running lightning through his sword? ... And those were some of the things I noticed. Thanks.--Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 14:11, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Because Sasuke is one of the "more popular" characters, if editors don't patroll the pages regularly, stuff like this gets "sneaked" in without our knowing. Thanks for bringing it to our attention any way.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 14:29, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * While we do praise people, comparing them to others is frowned upon here. So even if Sasuke is called a genius, we would not say, "less than his brother" and however many other persons that may have been more talented than him.
 * Not too sure myself since he's been "trained" and I've only ever seen him use two "Uchiha" techniques, but this place isn't run by machines.
 * Okay
 * Fair enough as well, I also thought Jūgo carried B, not Sasuke
 * Stamina and endurance stuff removed
 * That statement is wrong, the Sharingan didn't grant him speed, but the ability to dodge the attacks.
 * Removed

Not to mention Naruto and Sasuke are equal, and the former is now like the strongest unit in the Ninja Alliance. Also the whole "next generation surpasses the previous" or some shit. Itachi was hailed as a prodigy, Sasuke as well, with him eventually surpassing the older brother. So this isn't false, Sasuke has used an "Uchiha" technique without being trained in it, and copied Itachi's shuriken target practice by memorizing it. But later in the series, it's not a common part of his fighting style, relying more on Kenjutsu now. Also Sasuke is a late 16 years old teenager, Killer B a muscular big dark-skinned dude in his late 30's. Sasuke isn't noted to be using any strength-enhancing technique (with the Cursed Seal being removed at that point already) "maybe" some limited Eight Gates opening skill (Kakashi level) Actually without his cursed seal, he got pwned in a single punch by Killer B and wouldn't have survived the Raikage's attack if it wasn't for his Susanoo.
 * Itachi was stronger than Sasuke, but the latter was noted numerous times to have the potential to surpass Itachi in time, stated to have a better Sharingan skill and his chakra was compared to that of Madara.
 * Sasuke had trained to equal Itachi's skill with Ninja Tools, used them in conjunction with his Fire and Lightning techniques REALLY well, and even used a modified/next-gen version of Uchiha Madara's dragon heads/projectiles technique.
 * I think he has the talent to rival Lee in Taijutsu, for copying a few moves and in a 30 day training mastering something that took Lee years.
 * The databook gives Sasuke 3,5 in strength, now it's more than likely even more (4 I guess) taking into consideration that he wasn't exclusively trained in muscle mass department, it's valid.
 * I wouldn't say Sasuke has any noticeable natural endurance... that's Naruto's area.
 * Why removed? In my opinion, it takes a great mastery with a sword to cut due to 1000 Ninja and disarm them without taking their lives.--Elveonora (talk) 19:15, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

another bug?
jutsu list isn't displaying again.
 * Yes. 15:43, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Black lightning?
Is Sasuke's dark chidori or flapping chidori a black lightning move? Or just a darker and stronger chidori? 68.54.229.172 (talk) 22:39, September 5, 2012 (UTC)Amaterasuice
 * Not a black lightning technique, specially since in an artbook, said technique was purple. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:46, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm colorblind so....--68.54.229.172 (talk) 22:53, September 5, 2012 (UTC)Amaterasuice

Introduction section
I noticed, in the Introduction section, it says '...kept getting drawn in by Sakura's romantic advances and Naruto's attempts at competition.

I fail to see where he was ever drawn in to Sakura's romantic advances. He called her annoying and, in the Viz translation of the manga said that she made him sick, both occurrences in Part 1.

He never acted on them in any way, so far as I remember, at least not positively. Not saying he didn't care for her or anything, but that statement is puzzling. Anyone care to explain to me? I'm kinda mind boggled by the logic in there...--AkasunaNoJade (talk) 08:44, October 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fixed, I suppose.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:37, October 2, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe add this to further describe Sasuke's descent into hatred? Justin Holland (talk) 22:34, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Unnecessary. Also, that's from a filler. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:35, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

I thought that see Sasuke's hatred consumed eyes as a chlid may help better add to his descent to hate as a chlid Justin Holland (talk) 23:36, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Why did someone remove "rotten ninja world"? Justin Holland (talk) 19:34, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't we say that Sasuke has an affinity towards lightning, because of that one filler episode with the paper?--24.166.174.117 (talk) 22:23, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Kusari user
In what occasion of the anime, was Sasuke shown as using the kusari? Cuz he's listed as one in the anime and i can't find a single refference to it, soo a little direction would be appreciated. Darksusanoo (talk) 00:46, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * In the Paw Encyclopaedia filler. In a flashback, he captures one of the cats with chains. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:10, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Curse mark?
I can't remember if they have shown this, but Sasuke still got his Curse Mark right? Long time no see acturly. --Kasan94 (talk) 12:41, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * It was removed by Itachi during their last fight, when Orochimaru was sealed by Itachi's sword. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 12:46, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

 ~ Ultimate  Supreme  12:50, January 4, 2013 (UTC) Great thanks. --Kasan94 (talk) 12:51, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Something about his appearance
I don't know if this in his appearance but there seems be not mention of the lines under Sasuke's eyes he had for the longest time from when he started killing the samurai up till Edo Tensei was released. His emotions and mindset seem to determine when they're there or not. --67.142.164.24 (talk) 04:01, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Expressions of madness--Elveonora (talk) 13:49, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sasuke may NOT HAVE Tsukuyomi
Well, While I do think that Sasuke did use Tsukuyomi - It's nothing but a theory..... Lets start with the idea that you should write facts only. according to Tobi [Naruto chapter 480 page 6] Sasuke used simply a weak genjutsu. However, That Tsukuyomi that Sasuke used did not have a moon, it reminds of Itachi's Tsukuyomi yet it doesn't have to be one. Now for the last chapter that might prove that Sasuke does not have a Tsukuyomi. In chapter 585 page 12, Sasuke did not say Tsukuyomi but genjutsu sharingan while Itachi did say Tsukuyomi.Zahi101 (talk) 05:49, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Your point?71.71.58.231 (talk) 06:10, January 27, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan

My point is that you should remove from the jutsu list the Tsukuyomi ability, Same goes to the abilities which clearly says did he does have Tsukuyomi while he possibily doesn't haveZahi101 (talk) 06:40, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * It has already been decided to list him as a user, i refer you to some of the discussions above to see why if you like.71.71.58.231 (talk) 07:18, January 27, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan

In order to use Susanoo, a person needs to be able to use both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi.~ Ultimate  Supreme  07:34, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

No, The databook most likely was wrong. Kishi simply changed his mind. It was long ago and it's no more, I gave you a clear proves from the manga which says that Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi, Manga >= Databook. You can't rely on the Databook while the manga says otherwise. - Yomiko-chan, But the manga clearly says that he does NOT have it. Zahi101 (talk) 08:10, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, Sasuke surely has it, he used it against Danzo twice. One time when Danzo saw Itachi casting Amaterasu on him and the second time when he fooled him by believing he still has some Sharingan left for his Izanagi (both Tobi and Danzo said that it was Tsukuyomi and not another genjutsu, although it was not as powerful as Itachi's version.) He also used his Mangekyō Sharingan for it. Why should he do that if he could cast a simple genjutsu with his normal sharingan?Norleon (talk) 10:35, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree, Sasuke used the same ability with the second eye twice, After Tobi noticed it (in chapter 480 page 6) He said himself it was simply a genjutsu and nothing else. The Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu is a somewhat stronger genjutsu. I don't know, But CLEARLY it isn't the Tsukuyomi. Why would he say Mangekyo genjutsu instead of Tsukuyomi? UHMMM.... Maybe because it isn't. Apart from it, Sasuke has three abilities (which I disagree but it's not the point), Blaze release , Susanoo and Amaterasu. Which means as Sasuke said himself, 3 abilities .. No Tsukuyomi here. The manga might be confusing abit alright, Though we cannot ignore the facts that it was NEVER said that it is a Tsukuyomi. And considering the fact it was said it isn't Tsukuyomi and Sasuke NEVER said Tsukuyomi while activating the mangekyo genjutsu ability.. It wasn't Tsukuyomi, alright. Zahi101 (talk) 12:56, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Guys, there's no need to start up this discussion for the hundredth million time. Until it is said otherwise, Amaterasu+Tsukuyomi=Susanoo. I really don't think there's any need to bring this up again because no one here is going to say anything that hasn't been said in every other discussion.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 13:05, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Yet you simply ignore the fact that Sasuke never used Tsukuyomi. The manga showed us [chapter 585 page 12] that it's somewhat Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu and nothing else. Due to that and more few reasons it's no longer a fact.Zahi101 (talk) 13:36, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * This is a wikia. We have to base information here on a premise. If databook says Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to awaken Susanoo, and Itachi said the same, why should we go against it and say "oh Sasuke may not have Tsukuyomi because you know, he's the one exception"? Also not that Danzō compared Sasuke's genjutsu to that of Itachi's which could control time and that was what Tobi was commenting on noting that it was just another genjutsu. Why in blazes would someone compare a regular genjutsu with something on the level of Tsukuyomi. Until it is said otherwise, that is what we have to work on. If and when it is ever said contrary, feel free to come back here and do the "I told you so" dance by which time I'll be long gone, and you'll be dead Dumbledore!--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 13:43, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, even IF the genjutsu used by Sasuke in that fight really weren't Tsukuyomi, we still could not say that he is not able to use it. The databook says one needs both abilities to use Susanoo, and that is a fact. Madara also never used Amaterasu, yet he could use Susanoo and is therefore also able to use Amaterasu. The databooks are official references, therefore a person IS able to use a technique if it stands so in a databook, even if that person was not seen using the technique yet in the manga or anime.Norleon (talk) 14:08, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

/topic He activated his MS for the purpose of using that genjutsu, it put strain on his eye and there's the kill bill filter scheme lol, not to mention Killer B had tentacle guy free him from it--Elveonora (talk) 22:59, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

--Elveonora ~ it doesn't prove anything really... Just that it's similar to the Tsukuyomi ... As I said, in the later chapters Sasuke clearly doesn't have Tsukuyomi. Zahi101 (talk) 20:16, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Clearly to you, I don't see your "proof" --Elveonora (talk) 22:27, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Original Mangekyō Sharingan
I noticed that in the last two chapters (620 and 619) of Naruto manga, Sasuke's Mangekyō appeared like his original without the 3 lines from Itachi's Mangekyō...I think it is worth noting in the trivia .....and it is also raises the question of whether he can switch between the Eternal Mangekyō and the normal Mangekyō at will. 197.155.228.102 (talk) 13:52, February 14, 2013 (UTC)Inhumanoid

status/role
I think we should simply list him as deuteragonist or antihero rather than "flip-flopper"--Elveonora (talk) 15:25, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe anti-hero, but we will have to see how it plays out ... --Keep Calm And Call Kakashi (talk) 15:49, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

In the intro paragraph, it says "...introduced as a protagonist but later became an antagonist in the half of Part II then later revert back into protagonist." Why is he only considered an antagonist in the half of Part II? Isn't he antagonistic since he "tried" to kill Naruto at the Valley of the End in Part I? And due to the latest chapter, is he really considered as a protagonist again? True, he does confirm that he won't destroy the village anymore, and yeah, he does say sorry to Karin for trying to kill her, but does that justify him being a protagonist again after hundreds of chapters of antagonism? Sasuke's role is a difficult one... I just think we should wait for a few more chapters or the whole outcome of this saga before reclassifying him as a protagonist again. Sparxs77 (talk) 17:03, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

My sentiments exactly. --Keep Calm And Call Kakashi (talk) 17:05, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Whoever wrote that introduction lol.... --Elveonora (talk) 17:09, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

@Sparxs Then, why not just change it to Deuteragonist, since deuteragonist isn't necessarily on the protagonist's side, but isn't the ultimate villain, either.

Sasuke's always been the deuteragonist of the series despite all he's done. Throughout part 1 it's always been a series of switches between his and Naruto's stories, like two halves of the same coin in a way.. I agree with changing it to that. --M4ND0N (talk) 18:24, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Just change it to deuteragonist, is it so hard? I've seen that being discussed here for a LONG time and it's never done because some people want to foolishly stick with the antagonist tag. --46.11.99.109 (talk) 08:12, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

I believe he's a main character.. so anti-hero is fine but he's not classified as antagonist. ~IndxcvNovelist (talk 08:22, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Deuteragonist seems to be the best fitting word here.~ Ultimate  Supreme  08:27, April 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * It is entirely possible he could pull a dick move and say "I'm going to protect Konoha only so I can destroy it later.". So I'm hesitant to say he's a protagonist.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 11:05, April 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * I would say a proper, decent way to phrase it in the intro would be that while he was originally introduced as a secondary protagonist, he soon evolved into a deuteragonist, helping people only when it presents him with personal gain is his own plans and goals.--lilduff90 (talk) 11:55, April 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * That however glosses over the fact that he unquestionably became a antagonist. 400+ chapters of him being a evil dick is not something that can be handwaved so easily.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:10, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Deuteragonist is the second most important character, after the protagonist. The deuteragonist may switch from being with or against the protagonist depending on the deuteragonist's own conflict/plot.

That seems to exactly match it.~ Ultimate  Supreme  12:15, April 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * I vote we remove them altogether. They do more harm than good any way.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 12:17, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Why would we do so??? The intro is supposed to give an overview of the character's role and status in the show--Elveonora (talk) 13:03, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Deuteragonist seams to cover it. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 17:06, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

d.o.n.e.--Elveonora (talk) 17:14, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Evil? I think not...
I believe that, despite all Sasuke's done, he did nothing to truly define himself as "evil." Everything that's happened to him was portrayed through his hatred, and people merely got in his way of his goals. Therefore, I think that if someone were to look at it close enough, we should specifically state that he wasn't evil anywhere along the line, and if so, it was nothing but being manipulated and corrupted. GoldenTempest (talk) 21:12, April 11, 2013 (UTC)GoldenTempest

Sasuke picture
Should we add the part of the manga where Sasuke made the decision to protect Konoha next to the latest addition to Sasuke's personality? I think it is appropriate, but that is just me. 65.188.41.37 (talk) 01:30, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think so too. VanillaSky109.100.202.96 (talk) 13:54, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Daggers
Can sombody add daggers to wepons, he used them against Kakashi in the genin survival thing. --Keep Calm And Call Kakashi (talk) 21:39, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * He is listed as a user. It's just not showing. If you click the tool link that gives a list, you'll see it listed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:36, April 20, 2013 (UTC)

Sensor?
Given how he also sensed Naruto's chakra from such a long distance, it would appear Sasuke is a sensor type too.--Reliops (talk) 00:57, May 7, 2013 (UTC)Reliops
 * I think you missed the part Orochimaru states none of them there were sensors. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:17, May 7, 2013 (UTC)

Jutsus
These are some Jutsus by Sasuke that need to be added to his Jutsu section :

Shield of Black Flames - Blaze Release: Yasaka Magatama - Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique - Chidori - Chidori Current - Chidori Senbon - Susanoo - Kirin - Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique - Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique - Lion Combo - Fire Release: Dragon Fire Technique

If i found more, I'll post them right away (:


 * They are already added, it's due to a coding problem that they aren't showing up at the moment. TricksterKing (talk) 11:51, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Ignore this post, By mistake (:

--LaRoux4Life (talk) 20:00, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Something wrong with Infobox
I think there's something wrong with the infoboxes of pages such as Sasuke Uchiha, Kimimaro, Jugo and I don't know how many more..

Found another: Shisui Uchiha.. but how come there's nothing wrong with pages like Sakura Haruno??


 * Seems like some extension was temporarily disabled. Its back to normal now.--~ Ultimate  Supreme  14:32, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Interesting Fun Fact
Sasuke has fought 3 Jincuuriki. Gaara, Bee, Naruto and each time survived.. if not won. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:19, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Missing-nin
Should we still consider him an international missing-nin in the introduction paragraph? He is now considering returning. Yatanogarasu (Talk) 01:55, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

He isn't considering, he has definitely chosen to return. 96.241.55.117 (talk) 03:22, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Officially, I would say he is still a Missing-nin. After the war is a different story, but in the minds of Konoha (as a whole) he is probably still an enemy. If not, then Kish made it too easy for him to get back in the good graces of everything, which kind of cheapens his redemption and other things. --Taynio (talk) 04:57, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Mangekyo Error
Ok we've seen in two chapters (619 and 620) Sasuke with his original Mangekyo shape...now this makes no sense in-series wise...Madara never displayed his original Mangekyo shap after gaining the EMS...soo i'd say this was a mistake on the creator's part...any opinions? Darksusanoo (talk) 20:01, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

They are confirmed errors, as in the latest chapters he is shown with EMS, even UNS3 got his render art wrong, putting his normal ms instead of his ems, I guess they are not used to him having it so they keep drawing his original mangekyo on accident ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:21, June 9, 2013 (UTC)

Wrong, Madara was shown with his MS after becoming a Konohagakure shinobi, so after already having EMS. Nowhere it's said that they can't switch both--Elveonora (talk) 22:31, June 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * If you're referring to that flashback of his confrontation with Muu and Oonoki, we can't say for certain that he was even using his Mangekyou Sharingan there, considering the distance. Regarding Sasuke, we'll have to see if the appearance of his Mangekyou Sharingan remains the same in the volume release. SaiST (talk) 14:52, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

The picture of Team Kakashi summoning their respective summons should be posted on all three of their pages. ThatBoy Gibson (talk) 01:45, June 10, 2013 (UTC)ThatBoyGibson

In the chapter 592 when he is shown with Normal MS, that was a flashback/mental image. See hoe his collar is open and when it goes back to him without his sharingan even active he had it collar zipped?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:03, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Concerning the Mangekyō Sharingan section
As I said in the summary of it's edit before: "Paragraphs and images—especially his first final Susanoo—were placed in that manner to form some semblance of event order. Topics are being mentioned prior to their descriptions." It comes off as a bit jumbled, which is why I tried to re-arrange it the way I did. Concerning the image of Sasuke's final Susanoo, I found it more appropriate to display his first rendition, as it was not only mentioned prior to the the summary of his Eternal Mangekyō, but because there's already a fine example of his Eternal Mangekyō version present in the War Arc section.

Lots of quips like that throughout the article, but I was focusing on those present in his Dōjutsu section, as that interests me most... Also, slightly unrelated, but when using the term Sannin, it should be used to describe all three of them, not individually. —SaiST Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg「talk 08:56, July 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * ... Er, to clarify: I would simply like to re-instate the format for the Mangekyō Sharingan section as it was in this revision: ... Any input, please? —SaiST Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg「talk 16:55, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Except here's the thing...we've organized the section in a way that all three techniques have their own sub-section if you will, displaying the development of each technique...in regards to Sasuke's final Susanoo...it's most complete version of the technique shown so far, which is why it's on display.
 * Also the term Sannin, defines two things...group name and an unofficial rank. Darksusanoo (talk) 17:56, July 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * The detail of each technique's development was left intact in my revision. Only the changes affected by the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan were partitioned to it's portion of the section. In my opinion, it comes off more coherent to:
 * Relay the abilities of his Mangekyō Sharingan.
 * How they affected him.
 * And how his acquisition of the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan changed any of that.
 * It serves to better distinguish his own eyes' power, from what is changed, or gained from exchanging them for Itachi's... Which is also part of the reason I wish to leave the image of Sasuke's older final Susanoo intact; the other part being that it is so underexposed that many are under the impression that Sasuke's Susanoo didn't gain the ability to conjure up Amaterasu's black flames until he took Itachi's eyes. It is, ultimately, a very small matter, but it still bugs the heck out of me. :P


 * And "Sannin" is never used to identify Jiraiya, Orochimaru, or Tsunade individually. Jiraiya, of course, is referred to as "Sennin", which many fans have mixed up with the term coined for all three of the former teammates for years... —SaiST Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg「talk 18:46, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Your revision leaves it too far spread to me...and likely most of the other users view it better like it is:
 * Denoting the look of the Mangekyo
 * Explaning the drawbacks.
 * Displaying each technique and their according development.

Sennin is a translation of Sage, which both Jiraiya and Oro are...there is no confusion in that. And yes it is used to identify them, since it was the term that marked their rise to battle fame as shinobi. Darksusanoo (talk) 23:06, July 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Arguing over the terms used is pointless. The reason he is referred to as "Sannin" is because he is one of the three. It doesn't matter if they were ever referred to individually as such, though I recall on numerous occasions him being referred to as "one of the three Sannin". Secondly, your revisions are far too spread. It goes into unnecessary detail about the appearance of the Mangekyō, when only a basic, standard description is needed, which is what we have, followed by how the Mangekyō developed; its drawbacks, the techniques Sasuke developed or learned, and what he can do with them. The current revision is detailed just enough to give us an idea on what he can do with it, without it becoming long winded. We don't need to write a book on Sasuke's Mangekyō, just give readers a general idea on what he can do with it. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 00:19, July 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ten Tailed Fox, compared to the current revision, my own possessed approximately 400 less characters. Initially, only around 200 characters were added from my attempted rehaul of the section. The "book", as you say, was already there; my intention was only to rearrange it's contents to avoid the sporadic mention of abilities, and more coincide with the order of events. With that in mind, I'm curious as to why my summary came off as so long winded to you.


 * "Sannin" = "Three Nin". If you saw any translations depicting any one of them as a Sannin, or "one of the three Sannin", they would be inaccurate. The point of my bringing up "Sennin", which it seems Darksusanoo missed, is that the usage of both terms have been—and are still being mixed up; which is part of the problem. Jiraiya(and Orochimaru) may be a Sennin, but he is not a Sannin. It's a very simple matter, which is why I couldn't help but scratch my head when the correction was reverted. —SaiST Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg「talk 03:03, July 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh boy, I can see this is going to be a long one. *sigh* Look, the translations aren't wrong, and you're making a big deal out of something that shouldn't be. There are three Sannin, which indeed means "Three Ninja". Orochimrau, Tsunade, and Jiraiya. Any one of those three are still a Sannin. They have always been referred to as such. When Jiraiya was introduced (I have the Viz, I have read the scanalations, and I'm sure we still have ShonenSuki's translation of the RAW Japanese around here somewhere), he is introduced as one of the "three Sannin". So is Tsunade, at one point in time, and I believe even Orochimaru was referred to as "a Sannin". We won't change the term because it means "Three Ninja". It could mean "Ten-Million Ninja" for all we care. It is the name of a group, as well as the title of its three members. Therefore, they are "Sannin", both collectively and individually. I'll say it again, arguing over a specific term gets us nowhere. It doesn't matter if its grammatically correct or not, that is how the series refers to them, that is how the fans refer to them, and that is how we refer to them. Its as simple as that. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 04:09, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Additionally: The reason your edit seems long winded to me is that most of it was taking time to describe the Mangekyō Sharingan's shape, which I believe, if I remember the Undo correctly, you called an "atom symbol", which is actually less descriptive and more speculative than what we have now. Also, I'm not disputing the fact that your edit was done to make an improvement, but the way we have it now is fine. It lays it out in a flowing order, which is easy to understand, isn't convoluted, and does exactly what the section is intended to do; describe Sasuke's ability. The phrase, "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" comes to mind. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 04:14, July 21, 2013 (UTC)