Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-6769189-20180830233206

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

1 You are holding the same visual standard of frog sage mode to rsm. That’s is a fallacy, they use different powers and have different hallmarks. Naruto face was never mentioned to be significant in any manner, that is only speculation. Im not equating them. I was pointing out the differences and which one signifies which.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

I don’t have to speculate about Naruto eyes for frog sage mode. I can point to the exact moment where manga establishes to look at his eye for proof of sagehood. Similarly I can point out to you the exact moment in the manga where madara acknowledges proof of Naruto rikudo sagehood. They were proven in different ways, that is fact. Attempting to prove them in the same way results in Fallacy. Manga nor databook has any mention of Naruto’ eyes being even slightly relevant to rsm. Yet against you better judgement you insist it does. Show me where it is explicitly stated that his eye have any relevance to rsm. The same way I can prove it for his other form. Just a heads up, rikudo senjutus didn’t effect Obito’ nor madara eyes, but good luck. Naruto's eyes are relivent to SPSM because its the only time they ever take that color and pattern. It wasnt explicitly stated but it was explicitely shown. No other time do his eyes have that color and pattern. The databook a picture of Naruto when he kicked the TSB while in SPSM.

Madara mentions that Naryto came back different and Naruto turns around with his new eye pattern and says that he can feel everything. Which is an attribute of SPSM

Obito and Madara had dojutsu that that overide other eyes. They also awakened their powers through a different process.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

2 You failed to establish that, you only made claims. Plus you also lost sight of OP with this response. You can find you answers there. The databook said rsm requires a greater chakra than rsm. What chakra could that be if not juubi’? Why would Naruto have waited to enter rsm if it because he needed to produce juubi chakra? It does not say that. It says that kicking the TSB is a feat pulled off by having more chakra than KCM. Hagoromo gave him 6 Paths chakra, which provides a boost strong enough to bring Sasuke to Madara's level. This boost would apply to Naruto as well who already has more chakra than Sasuke. Then Naruto uses SPSM which has an even greater boost than regular Sage Mode.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

3 If you count the 3 he used to seal limbo and the 1 he used on the first meteor you’ll see he had 5 left. 9 - 3 - 1= 5 This claim that they returned to him rather form new ones falls short because they have a range. And the distance between team 7 and those meteors would exceed that range. This point is disproven when all 6 literally came back to him later on. They didnt form. They moved to him. All he would have to do is wait for them to fall back down to him because he didnt move from his spot.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Hagoromo appearance as a spirit is just that. Obito as a spirit appeared to kakashi and rin as a kid. Obito didn’t die as a kid, he died with half his body being zetsu among other things. His appearance as a spirit is a desired one. That is pure speculation. The only time this ever happened was with Obito. Anyone whos spirit manifested through chakra was identicle to their appearence at the time of death (Kushina, Minato, Hagoromo, Hamura).

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

More importantly during his internal talk with Naruto, hagromo was not the juubi jinchuriki, instead during that time Obito madara and Naruto(partially) was. That doesnt matter because its not necissary to have Juubi chakra for TSB, SPSM is. Hamura never had Juubi chakra but his own set of TSB that followed him into death as well.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Those TSOs are granted by juubi chakra which hagoromo himself acknowledged he got from madara’ severed torso. A new set of TSOs were made. This was never stated. Hagoromo said he could manifest because Madara recreated his chakra. It was never ever stated he got TSB by making new ones from Madara's body. They manifested because Hagoromo retained them in death. This was shown. It was also shown with Hamura

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

As for kaguya manga establishes that her TSOs is identical to the one on Naruto’ back. It only different because it expands and it significantly larger. That TSOs was produced from madara’ top half and it also used the juubi’ power. Kaguya has abilities that Madara didnt. Creating brand new TSB is unique to her

Unless you are trying to say Madara had Byakugan, Ash Bone, Dimensional travel and every other one of Kaguya's powers. Which he didnt.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

4 There is no evidence to support that definition. But it doesn’t matter which meaning you pick, the common denominator is that they are unusable. Which the boruto era makes very clear. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vestige