Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20150704102606/@comment-734582-20150719120455

Dukindra 13 Kralj 01 wrote: What does it matter what they called him a God of Shinobi. Do you think, Hiruzen can maintain the Perfect Susanoo? I don't think he can. Now, Kakash's chakra is free now and it can be released in greater quantities. I don't know what that has to do with any of the discussion. He doesn't even have the Sharingan, how should anyone even guess if he can? Three people were called God of Shinobi and all three, for all intents and purposes, were god among shinobi. Hence the name. How is Kakashi's chakra free now? There's no reason to believe his extra chakra power he got from Obito stayed. The Sharingan left, why would the Six Paths chakra he got too stay? Hiruzen can use all elements at once but he mastered only fire and earth on medium level. Kakashi mastered earth and water on midium level, and lightning on high level. Kakashi is beter in bukijutsu and he can use Sillent Killing, Hidding in mist jutsu, and can summon ninkens. Where is this medium level coming from? If spouting 5 elements like that is "medium level" then Kakashi is at "low". Furthermore mastery of 3 elements doesn't matter, even if it's higher. Hiruzen can use all counter elements at the same time and still attack Kakashi. Judging from Kakuzu, Kakashi and Hiruzen and their respective fights, Hiruzen can stop Kakashi's Raikiri with his own Lightning release. I don't see Kakashi winning this. Unless we're talking about a 70-year old Hiruzen, but the old man could barely produce a Shadowclone and yet defeat Orochimaru and two Edo Tensei. If his old age barely-capable-of-combat self can beat a Sennin at his game, what hope does Kakashi have against Prime Hiruzen? according to the OP, Kakashi isn't even Prime Kakashi.

Furthermore: Bukijutsu? Hiruzen mastered his Adamantine staff. Hiding in mist? Silent killing? That Wind Release against the wood statue blows Hiding in Mist away. Shadowclone and misdirection? Hiruzen has more shadowclones to counter-misdirect with. Ninken? stand no chance against his ape summon. AsianReaper wrote: @Killman, to be fair, Hiruzen had unlimited chakra at the time he was spamming those jutsu. I agree with the second statement though True, but we can't possibly know exactly how much chakra he does. Judging from his fighting style however he NEEDS massive amounts of chakra. Unlike Kakashi who aims to end fights with a single high-power jutsu, Hiruzen seems to fight much like Hashirama.

TLDR: The only way i see Kakashi winning is as Prime, double mangekyou Kakashi. I think a Perfect Susanoo is about the minimum Kakashi needs to be even with Hiruzen.