Narutopedia talk:Sandbox2

Good opinion on this
I think this is great I really do the colour and layout really suits does anyone else agree?--  Jmootam1999 15:26, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Opinion
I'm not too sure what the reason is for the change, an explanation of that would be great. It looks fine though, not too sure it's our "colour scheme" (the red). I like the "welcome to the wikia" and the "read more" for summaries- very nice. However, the contribute section where it gives you the option to create a new article needs to go, that's just an invitation for trolls, when we use forms to create most articles. Template for the answers and springtime wikia also need to be re-added. Along with that, I'd also prefer that the jutsu image be more inclusive, but that's just me.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 15:39, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'd make the colour scheme orange and take away the "create a new article" field as we'd get people creating Inappropriate articles, but overall I think you've done a good job Teppei Kiyoshi well done --  Jmootam1999 15:44, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your opinions guys! Should I use the current heading colors or try new ones? But I think the "create a new article" will be useful incase we miss something when a new chapter or episode is released. But ofcourse, it won't be THAT useful.. So alright, I'll take it off.. Oh, and btw should I add anything like the affiliates section and such?


 * We're not very flashy; the current colour scheme or any one that complements the background would be find I guess. The create a new article as I said people will come here see it and have a much easier time creating bad articles. We don't really affiliates so simply putting back the Springtime and Answers wikia would be fine.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 15:56, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay I'll take off the create a new article section and what do you mean by putting back the Springtime and Answers wikia? Should I take them off too or let them be? And can anyone get a proper (good quality) manga image for the manga part in the slider? It should fit completely (like the current one). I feel that has to be changed.


 * A HD one would be nice --Nature_Icon_Yin–Yang.svg Jmootam1999 Nature_Icon_Yin–Yang.svg 16:05, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

No, I mean but back Springtime and Answers wikia on the homepage you have there. I was thinking that it would be nice to have a shuffle of all the coloured two-page spreads that Kishimoto had made, but that may be asking for too much so any good manga image would be fine. As for the episodes section the daimyō were put there because they were literally "on tv". For the jutsu bit, we could use this? --Cerez 365 ™(talk) 16:11, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Seems to be stripped off from somewhere. Nevermind though. Its using a lot of obsolete tags like big, font, etc.. For the latest chapter and episode we use smw, so that it updates automatically. That said, I would prefer the current (old) design; just put in those curves if they are really needed(?)~ Ultimate  Supreme  16:33, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

You don't like the curves do you ultimatesupreme-san --  Jmootam1999 16:35, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Nothing like that. I use them on Naruto Answers's mainpage too. Thats why I said, put it on the homepage if others really want (support) it.~ Ultimate  Supreme  16:50, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Uh, I do understand the fact that it updates automatically, but the problem with that is that the whole plot/summary of the latest chapter/episode is copied onto the home page. If that is going to be the case, then there is actually no need for the users to read the summary from a seperate episode/chapter page, they might as well just read it from the home page (meaning even we don't really have a reason to create such pages). Therefore with this "Read more..." option, users will actually tend to visit the episode/chapter page and read it form there. Plus it makes the home page look a little less shabby.

But if updating the templates is the problem, then I'll take care of updating the templates every week. Alright so now I'll create a section for Answers Wiki and the Springtime of Youth Wiki, then lets just test this appearance for some days and see the response. I'll let you know when I'm done. You okay with this right?

Oh and Cerez, you wanted me to change the color of the heading such that it complements the background right? But now I'll try and get a better background. For example, just check out the background of www.naruto.com before it redirects to naruto.viz.com. Its so damn cool.


 * This was a pretty pointless place to discuss this, as nobody can see it. I don't see why we need yet another change to the homepage, plus all that red clearly clashes with the orange background. This discussion would've been better off in a forum or on the Talk:Narutopedia, not hidden away here where nobody can see it >_> --Speysider Talk Page 15:43, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Yeh, should we move this over to the talk page ? --Keep Calm And Call Kakashi (talk) 16:44, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Done
Alright guys, its done. Let's switch and see the response. For the admins: I've made a list of templates used and unused in here.


 * Reverted because there's no actual outcome of this discussion. I think it looks good, but here's some questions:


 * 1) Is the change necessary ?
 * 2) Does it fit well with the current orange background ?
 * 3) Is everyone in agreement to making the change ?
 * I don't really want to have to see a discussion on new home page designs every 2-3 months, or it's just going to be a nuisance to keep on changing it. --Speysider Talk Page 15:50, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

I think that the orange background needs to be changed to a different color as for me it dosent go that well(That's just my opinion). Also its a necessary change as we don't want the layout to get outdated and yeh im in agreement. However there is one problem and that's the huge amount of space below the content. Maybe remove the "See more" button and have the whole article on there to fill it up ? --Keep Calm And Call Kakashi (talk) 16:20, April 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * The design was only just changed a short time ago, I'd hardly call the current one "outdated" at all. I prefer orange, it's nice on the eyes, but red is just too gorey and will make people think we are some other wiki. --Speysider Talk Page 16:22, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Personally I think its looks more modern, but I can see where you are coming from. As it may look too in your face .... Could we do a trial week on it and then get some feedback ? --Keep Calm And Call Kakashi (talk) 16:24, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Just adding curves doesn't make something modern, and I agree with UltimateSupreme's points above. — S im A nt 16:35, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

I think it looks better, but thats just my opinion. How about a poll for it ? See what the majority want ? --Keep Calm And Call Kakashi (talk) 16:38, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, whatever.. All admins rejecting it.. Anyway, I feel that it'll be a nice change and will be looked upon by some other wikis. Most importantly I feel that this wiki deserves a better appearance. But that's upto you guys.. I already explained it to Speysider on his talkpage.. Anyway.. its the admins' call.

Yeh, I guess at the end of the day it is. But personally I think a new homepage would be welcomed by the majority, hence the one week trial idea. If the unlikely even of people hating it occurs then it can be reverted ? --Keep Calm And Call Kakashi (talk) 16:45, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

I'm thankful for your work my friend I just hope that we could get better feedback and then use this model on our homepage you definitely keep this model Teppei-chan and hopefully someday alot of the regular users can like it and the Sysops--  Jmootam1999 16:53, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not rejecting the idea of a new homepage. I was agreeing with his point of there being deprecated html tags in your code as well as the latest chapter/episode using smw. — S im A nt  17:12, April 5, 2013 (UTC)

Changed
How about now? Much cleaner. I changed all the templates used in Sandbox2. This time, I took out all the extra code and other rounded edges and stuff.. Only now did I understand what Simant meant by "deprecated html tags" and I guess I did use a lot of them the last time.. Now its much better.. So now what do you guys say? 07:58, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * And these might be useful too.. 09:14, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't really like your change I prefer the previous one --ROOT 根 · Talk 11:52, 6/17/2013 11:52, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Having been in the Narutopedia for sometime now, I feel this one fits better (the rounded edges you are referring to, don't really fit well in Narutopedia). Plus its not that much, all I've done is boxed each section and seperated them into templates (the list can be found here), so editing will be easier now. Though its not that big a change, I feel that its a much needed one. 12:08, June 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * The new one is quite good for me, I don't have any problem for changing it to this new design. Good job — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 12:36, June 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks good.-- ~Ulti  Sup~  13:07, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * What...exactly changed?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 14:04, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually by the heading "Changed" I was referring to the changes made to the Sandbox2. Previously, the templates had rounded edges, some coding that wasn't required and such.. (=_=") Now, I've changed it to fit the Narutopedia look. Well yes, I haven't done much, all I've done is boxed each section and seperated them into templates (the list can be found here), so editing will be much easier now. Though its not that big a change, I feel that its a much needed one. Guess, this kinda gives a neat look.. 14:23, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Overall I don't see much changes. So I'm guessing the changes stem from cleaning of codes etc, in which case I wouldn't really be the best judge for that.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 02:18, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so then shall I copy the code onto the Main Page? Plus I don't think there'll be an argument, as its not really much of a change, if you were to look at the Home Page and Narutopedia:Sandbox2. Only thing is that the sections have been boxed and the code now contains templates rather than having the whole code on the main page (and some unnecessary coding has been removed). The admins can keep track of the templates used here: Template:Main Page, so if they wanted to change anything, they can edit the template they want. :) Oh and thanks to the original main page editors for the basic code (all I did was kinda improvise) and UltimateSupreme for pointing out some unnecessary coding.. 04:10, June 18, 2013 (UTC)