Talk:God: Nativity of a World of Trees

Wood Release
I fail to see when this was called Wood Release in the series. It is far more likely it is summoning the roots of the Shinju like how Bee can bring forth Gyūki's tails. &#34;Demons run when a good man goes to war.&#34; (talk) 06:53, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * That reasoning would be correct even for the Wood Release: Flowering Tree, but since that's considered a Wood Release jutsu, so is this.--JOA20 (talk) 06:57, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Other wiki articles are no valid source, though. Also, when did Kaguya use it? Didn't she use the already existing roots of the Shinju? • Seelentau 愛 議 09:42, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Someone has already listed the Shinju as Mokuton and Sharingan user--Elveonora (talk) 11:35, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * How very speculative. Not that I'd care, but man... • Seelentau 愛 議 11:36, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't want to be paranoid, but both the kanji and romaji match with Wood Release Secret Technique: Nativity of a World of Trees--Elveonora (talk) 11:43, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, I wonder why a real tree and an artifical tree are both called tree... • Seelentau 愛 議 11:47, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * So...this isn't a wood release, correct?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 11:50, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

@Seel, That's not the point, Kishi could have named the technique "god's lovely embrace, forever" instead of using name of a Mokuton technique. It's fishy. Not to mention there's still the whole vague usage of Wood Release: Cutting by the Shinju ;) @Ultimate, only Kishi knows, but there's no Mokuton prefix and the Shinju having Mokuton is still not confirmed without a doubt, so it's not i guess--Elveonora (talk) 11:52, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not wood release. Not that we can say any way. Obito did the same thing with the root dragons and we don't consider that wood release.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:54, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Right. Never stated to be wood release. -- Koto Talk Page-My Contributions 12:16, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

I'd remove Shinju as a user, and add this to Wood Release. The name implies it's based of Hashirama's signature technique, who is the earliest known user of Wood Release, so this wouldn't have existed back in Kaguya's time, and Madara has Hashirama's Wood Release. Kaguya had the actual tree available to connect to everyone. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:44, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Implications of the Name
I'm not trying to say that this technique is a Wood release technique, but is it possible that the name of this technique implies that the Wood release was inadvertently born from the power of the Ten-Tails? It would make sense, given the fact that Hashirama is Asura's reincarnation, who in turn was the son of the original Ten-Tails Jinchūriki. I realize this is probably a weird theory, but whatever. Atrix471 (talk) 16:24, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Does not explain why Hashirama is the only of Asura's reincarnation to have Wood Release. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:44, May 21, 2014 (UTC)


 * Fair point, I did say I knew it was a weird theory... but like every Kekkei Genkai it maybe needed to stabilize in a fitting individual. We don't really have enough information on the formation of new Kekkei Genkai for me to create an argument. Atrix471 (talk) 16:48, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Kaguya
I'm removing Kaguya on account of her having the actual tree at her disposal to connect with everyone. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:44, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * She had the pre-existing roots, but she would still need the technique for the ensnaring of the targets. &#34;Demons run when a good man goes to war.&#34; (talk) 17:08, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * She can't use Jukai Kotan. Jukai Kotan is Hashirama's technique and the fact that Hashirama recognizes it proves that. Kaguya didn't have Wood Release (Hashirama was the first known user) and she certainly didn't know his signature move. This was simply Madara basing an attack off of the principle of Jukai Kotan. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 17:56, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * Aren't you assuming a lot here? Hashirama recognized it, that's true, but the Ten-Tails is a TREE and therefore the roots were bound to be similar to a Wood release technique. Atrix471 (talk) 18:01, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not assuming anything. Hashirama recognized it because he is the creator of Jukai Kōtan. I'm also not assuming that Hashirama is the only known user of Wood Release, because that has been stated many times in the series. Jukai Kōtan is Hashirama's technique and Madara modified it to complete his plan. Madara has used Hashirama's technique since gaining Hashirama's Wood Release, so it was probably simpler to incorperate the plan into a technique he already knows. Kaguya didn't know Jukai Kōtan because it wouldn't exist until centuries after her demise. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 18:03, May 21, 2014 (UTC)