Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-5936871-20160126112547/@comment-26773508-20160201102410

MlGshinobi wrote: @Baku well proving it changed size is pretty easy. Look at chatper 551 page 14. Look how far susanoo is from nagato. Naruto bee and itachi are so far away that they are about the size of nagatos head. Consider that nagato and itachi are about the same size in height. Look how big the yata mirror is in that panel compared to nagato who like I said is a good distance away. Compare the size of the yata mirror to its size in chapter 392 page 4. Then compare the size of it in chaper 392 page 8 the shield isn't even touching the ground. In chapter 392 page 10, all of a sudden the shield expands in size greatly. You can tell because it matched the size of the 8 headed snakes and the shield is now touching the ground when it wasnt 2 panels before. If the yata mirror can do a simple change in size like that to adapt to he snakes, that verifies that he databook is telling the truth. It showed in can alter any of its attributes, in this case size, to adapt to the attack. This isnt hype, we have seen the yata mirror in action. People just dont pay attention. The anime also shows the size change. Then in page 6 chapter 393, the shield is touching the ground and is covering itachi in response tosasukes paper bombs, but its much smaller than it was earlier in the fight. And if you compare that size to its size in the nagato fight, its ALOT smaller. So basically, you came to the conclusion that the Yata Mirror changes its size based on a few obscure pannels scattered throughout the manga? None of the chapters you mention demonstrate that the Mirror changed its size. Most of the time, the Mirror isn't even visible properly; all you can make out most of the time is parts of the concentric circles that decorate the Mirror. If you're going to use such poorly defined patterns as evidence for the change in its size, then please don't mind if I (and a few others) remain utterly unconvinced by your argument.

The problem here seems to be that you're mistaking an artist's *possible* lack of precision as evidence that the mirror changed its size. Thing is, manga artists can lack precision when they have to produce a manga chapter each and every week. So the "change" you saw in the Mirror's size (which isn't obvious at all in the first place), is most likely Kishi's lack of precision.

But the imprecision doesn't matter much for most of the times. The thought that the mirror changed its size never even occurred to me when I first read the manga chapter, and neither did it occur to me when I watched the anime version later. And judging by the number of people here who seem to agree with me against the number of people who agree with you, it seems to me that they didn't notice the "change" either, which is why it is likely that the "change" in question really is Kishi's imprecision.

This is further supported by the fact that neither of the Zetsus expressed surprise at the alleged "change" in size. You'd think the Zetsus would notice such properties. But neither of the Zetsus, who were observing the fight very closely, bothered to notice or mention the alleged change in the Mirror's size. That is contrary to what was happening during the entire fight; namely, the fact that Black Zetsu was explaining all the key and important details of the fight to White Zetsu (for the benefit of us viewers, of course). But somehow the Mirror changing its size didn't make it to the explanatory speeches of Black Zetsu. Rather fishy, if you ask me.

And so most of your argument falls apart if the Mirror didn't change its size. I've given enough arguments to assume that it didn't. Moving on to your next argument: Itachi being smarter than Nagato doesn't mean that Itachi's gonna solo Nagato in a few minutes. Like I said, Nagato can sense Itachi trying to pull OP jutsus out of his ass wayyyy before Itachi actually succeeds in executing the jutsu.

Itachi tries to burn Nagato through Amaterasu? Too late, Nagato's already moved away. Or most likely, Nagato blasts Itachi to the moon just as the blood starts to drop from Itachi's eye. Itachi tries to close the distance through his amazing speed? BAM!! He's Shinra Tensei'd to the moon again. Itachi begins to wrap himself within his Susanoo? BAM! Shinra Tensei'd again right at the moment the Susanoo's ribs start to form. We all know that Nagato can Shinra Tensei Itachi even while there's a considerable distance between them. After all, an emaciated Nagato Shinra Tensei'd Konoha out of existence and still managed to defeat Sage Naruto. And Nagato isn't stupid enough to allow Itachi to summon his Susanoo by doing nothing. He'll sense that Itachi is about to use Susanoo before the Susanoo manifests, and will therefore counteract appropriately. Nagato isn't dumb, you know.

Minato 87 wrote: I started to hate some Versus Debates because of Itachi's funs. Soon I will hear that Itachi can beat SPSM Naruto or Madara, Itachi is SUPER OVERHYPED. Actually, just "like" a few Naruto fan pages in Facebook and you'll come across an entire horde of Itachi fanboys who actually believe that Itachi can beat EMS Madara.