Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26636534-20180830184727/@comment-34194151-20181128221151

@Loneninja

1)Rofl, what are you talking about? There is a big difference between using exclamation points for emphasis at the end of a sentence or phrase and exclamation points that are clearly used to signal shock or that the character is experiencing something unexpected.

Again, the arrow was to pin on him the ceiling. Those were two separate events. The yakasa matagama overloaded kabuto's focus to the point he couldn't sense sasuke's arrow. That pinned on the ceiling.

Then the fight switched to kabuto's initiative. kabuto was clearly no longer distracted as he was able to stab itachi.

2) You know what? I accept your concession. Why? because why are the individual snake heads dying as itachi is cutting their heads off? why is orochimaru "manifesting" himself out of a single head? By your logic, itachi killed orochimaru 7 times because each individual snake head is orochimaru. Each snake clearly has it's own central nervous system or they would all die after the first snake was killed. Why did orochimaru claim that the totsuka blade can't hurt him because it was a tiny cut when those same tiny cuts were cutting off his snake heads? Again, just because he transforms into the snakes doesn't mean they are one in the same. killer be transforms into gyuki yet he and gyuki are still separate entities. Orochimaru becomes snakes but he is still distinct. We are talking about a dude who can casually transform any of his limbs into snake at will, doesn't mean he and his snakes are completely connected in every way. ROFL, did you miss the whole part when sasuke absorbed orochimaru by reversing the living corpse reincarnation technique? They are constantly fighting for control over sasuke's body, but sasuke was winning until he was nearly out of chakra. The fact that sasuke wasn't sealed proves that the totsuka blade seals individuals, and doesn't inherently seal orochimaru just because it stabbed one of his snakes, given that we already saw some of his tiny snakes substitute out of the blade, yet orochimaru himself couldn't subsitute out. Sealing his snakes =/= sealing orochimaru just because their body is connected.

Furthermore, even if I am wrong about the biological mechanics of those giant snakes, you say itachi knows the technique? Great. Itachi knows better than you. He is literally on his last legs, running out of stamina, dying of a terminal illness, and he still has one final mission to do, seal orochimaru and place his transcription seal: amaterasu into sasuke's eye. Itachi is now a bumbling idiot? I don't think so. He waited for orochimaru to appear, he said so himself, because that was what needed to happen to seal orochimaru away for good. It also could have been an honest mistake, he clearly didn't think stabbing the snakes would seal orochimaru away, but he did so immediately when the actual orochimaru appeared. So debunked.

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Lol wut? I brought up kakashi because I could have sworn you were claiming itachi couldn't react to underground attacks at one point. Now it's switched to he can't react to kimimaro's bones because it's too fast and he will be caught off guard because his attention will be misdirected. I think the discussion about 30 percent itachi without killer intent is pretty funny, but I've entertained it because even with significant disadvantages he still sensed the attack and reacted to it despite it being unexpected. Itachi isn't starting out at 30 percent here and he has killing intent. You don't know exact;y what transpired to cause itachi to miss kakashi making a clone after using his doton. He doesn't have susano'o active and he still has to watch naruto chiyo and sakura and take the fight semi- seriously to keep up appearances. he is working undercover. There is also a huge smokescreen. and kakashi can sink deep underground with hiding like a mole. Itachi clearly missed something kakashi was doing, and yet when kakashi comes jumping out of the ground he easily countered the attack despite it being unexpected.

you are the one making the claim that kakashi is slower when he uses the hiding like a mole technique, so you have to support it. It's kakashi's speed, and kakashi is faster than rock lee in every way, and itachi is faster than kakashi in every way. kakashi even nearly killed deva pain with a surprise attack from underground. You say the bones have a speed? great. it's speed capped out when gaara's sand had time to both save gaara, save lee, and safely rise above the bones. That means gaara's sand reacted to the bones and had the movement speed to lift them to safety. The speed of the technique is somewhere in between base rock lee and pre time skip gaara's sand, great. That doesn't prove that it's fast enough to tag jounin level opponents at the level of kurenai, asuma, guy, kakashi, or higher, who are all faster than pre time skip gaara's sand without a doubt.

Like I said, even if itachi can't scale the bones all in one jump, he has SUSANO'O.

and rofl, you don't get it. Muki tensei literally affects the landscape, and space is being distorted, and they are in a CAVE, there is not a lot of place to dodge with limestone coming at him from all directions. It's a technique he is seeing for the first time, and he has to analyze the situation. that slows down his response time. then he is worried about sasuke, so his instinct was to use susao'o to PROTECT SASUKE INSTEAD OF HIMSELF, smh. Without those hinderances, he could have substituted out/dodged/avoided impalement, just like kabuto implied. he didn't have time to take multiple complex actions. And kimimaro's bones don't get muki tensei feats. bones coming out of the ground is something itachi has seen before so his response time wouldn't be slowed down, and he has the reflexes and speed and experience to jump if it's obvious there is no where to run.

Edit: And while we are at it, Chapter 585 pg 3 we clearly see both itachi and sasuke are stated to be holding back because the izanami seems to sap itachi's concentration and require some prep, and is the only reason they are in any kind of trouble against kabuto. So I accept your concession here as well. Itachi with killing intent against kabuto wouldn't have been in the predicaments he was in if it wasn't for plot circumstances. Sasuke is even concerned about itachi's ability to use susano'o despite itachi being an edo tensei, so your downplay knows no limit.