User talk:Demonic Phoenix

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Re: Amenotejikara
You do have a talkpage. Everyone has one. But, onto your concern. On this wiki we don't want the trivia sections to be cluttered with random things, only significant things. Sasuke teleporting behind a person with the technique and then using the "Black Chidori" doesn't qualify as anything signficant. I mean in the manga and anime, he teleported and then used Susanoo against Kaguya. Should we put that in the trivia too? I hope your answer is no. But, I hope you understand. --Rai 水 (talk) 21:27, June 8, 2016 (UTC)


 * There are some cases that some game oriented things are allowed. Some things are in need of removing. However, Sasuke using a technique after using Amenotejikara is not that significant. If you still don't get it, then that's your problem. --Rai 水 (talk) 22:52, June 8, 2016 (UTC)

Naruto and Sasuke
Sasuke didn't lose a 'philosophical battle', he lost the battle period. He blacked out for extended periods while Naruto stayed conscious and was still ready to fight. Not to mention he only 'matched' a weakened Naruto after getting a power up. Naruto is the main character, and Sasuke even admits Naruto beat him and is stronger than him. Seriously, your twisting things even though the manga and Sasuke himself says your wrong since you want Sasuke to be equal to Naruto when they aren't.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 22:53, February 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Naruto was conscious throughout the entire night waiting for Sasuke to wake up. Their final clash despite losing their limbs? Naruto waited for Sasuke to wake up. And yes, Naruto was weakened and exhausted from the War: tell me without the Biju, how would Sasuke 'equal' Naruto if he used all the Natural Energy he did in the final battle huh? Kurama explicitly said Naruto was weakened and exhausted for the battle too. And who translated that huh? Sasuke admitted Naruto was stronger than him, the gap isn't big, but its there. Its the same with Hashriama and Madara. Kishimoto made it that way. He had to gimp Naruto for the final battle and Sasuke maintained that Naruto is stronger than him.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 00:36, February 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * You have a massive selective memory and a Sasuke bias I see. Naruto and Sasuke, despite losing their limbs, Naruto stayed conscious. Hell he was waiting for Sasuke to get up so they could fight again. And no: even though they fought in the same war? Naruto fought for a FAR LONGER PERIOD than Sasuke. Sasuke conserved a LOT of his strength and by the time of their final battle? Naruto was running on fumes. Kurama explicitly says he was exhausted from the War while Sasuke has had no handicap there. And Sasuke had to get a one time only power up to match Naruto even in that state, while Naruto can freely draw upon the power of natural energy and replicate what he did at any time due to his mastery of Sage and Six Paths Sage Mode. Without the Biju: how are they equal? How are they close in power when Naruto can do the Asura Mode at ANY time he wants?! They aren't equal, there is a gap. Otherwise? They'd have had a battle when both were fresh. But no, we have several handicaps for Naruto: holding back so he doesn't kill Sasuke, exhaustion from the War (he was fighting in it while Sasuke was basically doing nothing) and Kurama's chakra running low. Seriously, anyone who argues they are equal puts their fingers in their ears and ignores all of Naruto's advantages and the handicaps he had to get in the final battle.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 04:40, February 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh and your analogy and comparison doesn't make sense and you're only trying to make it so. Naruto and Sasuke had a bet in Boruto whether the spirit of the ninja had changed, Naruto thought it had, Sasuke hadn't, and due to Boruto's performance Sasuke's view had been verified. With Naruto and Sasuke's final conversation at the Valley of the End though? Naruto was STILL WILLING TO FIGHT, Sasuke wasn't. Also Naruto was conscious right after the clash while Sasuke wasn't. Why do I bright up Hashirama and Madara? Since they are the parallel that the manga explicitly used. Hashirama and Madara were close in power, but never equals. Its the same with Naruto and Sasuke and the feats support it. You show nothing but Sasuke bias and twisted logic.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 04:52, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

Sasuke had the power of the 10 tails in his CB Susanoo, along with the fact that Naruto was the one doing most of the fighting with Kaguya anyways. Sasuke did admit Naruto was stronger, and in the Boruto Movie he says that without Naruto they will not win, he says the same thing vs Kaguya. Mind you this was after Naruto already had a ton of his chakra drained by Momoshiki. QuakingStar (talk) 22:27, February 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you QuakingStar. And Demonic Phoenix, Naruto and Sasuke entered the War during the second day. That is true but...during that time Naruto was fighting continuously on every single front. His battle against Obito alone took an ENTIRE DAY TO DO. Sasuke? He found a bunch of Zetsu Clones and Kabuto, then did nothing until he entered the battlefield with Orochimaru and Taka. He had conserved almost all his reserves and was in a far better condition. Not only that, he got a power up during the final battle that he could only use for that battle. Hence why, despite just awakening the Rinnegan, Sasuke was in a far better condition than Naruto was, and he was bloodlusted. Naruto had two clear handicaps: exhaustion and holding back. Sasuke has, at best, one, which didn't affect him as much. And the Zai no Sho you keep bringing up, unless there is an official translation that says 'equal' I don't think you can argue that due to the Japanese could either be 'equal' or 'on par' or 'on the same level'. Demonic Phoenix, you're not showing an understanding of the manga or Kishimoto either, and you fail to even acknowledge Sasuke had a one-time power up which he can never, ever use again.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 23:12, February 3, 2017 (UTC)

In order of canonicity it is Manga > Databook.. as Databooks purpose is to expand upon the manga info and try to clarify the info albeit there are retcons and errors here and there.. that does not mean that databook trumps all period. When you say author words this and that, you need to remember that the author also made the manga, and if the things that were said were not changed in the tankobon or directly contested in the databook then it remains the same. Therefor Sasuke is not an equal to Naruto, he is just the only person left living who is on his level.. I get that you're a Sasuke fan, but you're taking this a little too personal, guy. SuperSaiyaMan is right. QuakingStar (talk) 00:02, February 4, 2017 (UTC)


 * Naruto has more chakra than Sasuke. We all know this. The fact Sasuke can absorb Naruto's ninjutsu already puts Naruto at handicap, as that's almost all Naruto uses. Sasuke has a better variety of ninjutsu and is way better in taijutsu. The only thing Naruto really has over him is stamina. I get Naruto was holding back, but just enough not to kill him. They both came from battling one after the other. Naruto battled more, but again, he has more chakra anyway so not that impressive. Sasuke can pretty handle everything Naruto throws at him, as he can do for Sasuke. Sasuke's comment to Naruto was simply to say that he knows no matter what he'll never be able to kill Naruto because they are equal. The current way it is written about Naruto on Sasuke's abilities section is perfectly fine the way it is. Do not change it. And I don't like either of them, so no bias here. --Rai 水 (talk) 00:15, February 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * They were not in the same condition and you know it. Naruto fought for a far, far, far longer period, and his chakra was being consumed by Kurama for MOST of it, did you completely ignore that Kurama consumed his chakra in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode? Not only that, they were not in the same condition: again Sasuke did less against Kaguya than Naruto. Naruto was explicitly said to be exhausted, Sasuke was not, so Sasuke of course conserved his reserves. 'Sasuke fought kabuto the same time Naruto fought Obito'! Sasuke and Itachi vs Kabuto lasted NO WHERE NEAR AS LONG or was as chakra taxing and extensive as Naruto vs Obito and you know it. And not only that, while Naruto kept fighting, Sasuke went to Konoha and didn't do anything chakra related after the Kabuto fight. And Sasuke again, did less than Naruto did against: Obito, Madara, and Kaguya. Naruto and his vast chakra reserves were what allowed him to do most of the fighting while Sasuke conserved his powers since he was planning on fighting and killing Naruto afterwards. You have a huge Sasuke bias here, and you can't even admit it. You want him to be equal to Naruto despite all the factors (which you claim do not exist to fit your narrative). And I do have seniority over you here, yet you don't want to take my word for it and push a little hyper fan of Sasuke interpretation.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 01:04, February 4, 2017 (UTC)