Talk:Six Paths of Pain

In Progress
This is still the first stage of this rewrite. I'm going to do individual pages for the bodies, so please don't delete this right away. --Newthx2u (talk) 04:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Why are you doing them. We have them at the nagato page. Don't make others neither is it a jutsu. So stop! Cooltamerboy (talk) 06:12, 12 April 2009 (UTC).

I dont know bout any1 else...but i'd wanna see the finished product, before i say take it down..AlienGamer Talk


 * I'm hoping it turns out well myself (hahaha). Theres been alot of discussion for the past week on the Nagato page, and it's a general consensus that separate pages are needed to clean things up. --Newthx2u (talk) 06:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

FINISHED!!!
Finally finished the pages, ALL EIGHT OF THEM! i'd appreciate a deal of discussion and agreement before everybody starts fighting over the "undo" option, hahahaha. --Newthx2u (talk) 07:13, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Take it off because their is a special part for them in the nagato article! Cooltamerboy (talk) 07:29, 12 April 2009 (UTC).


 * Cooltamerboy, please don't just butt in with comments like that without looking at the relevant discussions. This page is basically a number of sections that used to be in the Nagato page moved off into their own article. The splitting off like this has been discussed on the Nagato talkpage for awhile. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Apr 12, 2009 @ 09:15 (UTC)

Sorry did not know! Anyway Shoudn't it have it's one arcs? Cooltamerboy (talk) 09:46, 12 April 2009 (UTC).


 * Nah, I think it's better the way it is. Like Dantman said, there's already been a big discussion. --NejiByakugan360 - Please respond on my Talk Page! 01:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Summary transclusion
This page should be using the summary transclusion technique. .... should be used on the individual path articles and should be used here to transclude the summary right out of those pages into here. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Apr 12, 2009 @ 09:17 (UTC)
 * Sounds interesting, but i unfortunately have no idea what that means hahahahah. what exactly is a transclusion? --Newthx2u (talk) 13:42, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Rather than writing your own paragraph in each of the Paths' sections, you "transclude" a paragraph from the Paths' main article. For example, in this article you'd replace the entire Deva Path section with just: and you'd replace the lead of the Deva Path's article with:  The, Pain's first observed body, is the body of Yahiko in the Six Paths of Pain. Take a look at Hokage and what is done with the lead section of Hashirama Senju if you're still confused. ~SnapperTo 19:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Pointless?
The six paths of pain are separate bodies controlled by ONE Person, so don't you think it is pointless to spin the bodies off into their own article? Despite them having their own personalities when they are alive, they ALL share one consciousness after death: "PAIN". I don't actually agree with this, but that's just my opinion. ZeroGiga (talk) 20:31, 15 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Ya, we know they're all controlled by one will. But this is all based on content. We have enough content to fill up an article on each path. And not only that, but when you consider the Jutsu and all the individual bits of Infobox data, we have enough individual information to even give each path it's own infobox. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Apr 15, 2009 @ 20:49 (UTC)

How pain(nagato) picks his bodies
Now, I've seen exactly how Pain get's his bodies but, does he hand pick which ones he makes use of or will any one do? I mean, does he just say " I'll take that one, that one and that one?" Or does he meticulously go oer what the bodies were capable of in life and picks them based on that knowledge? And that begs another question. How do these bodies have jutsus? For all intents and purposes, they're dead and dead bodies don't have powers, not with out special help. So, how exactly does he do it?CashSeville (talk) 03:00, 17 April 2009 (UTC)CashSeville


 * That kind of stuff has never actually been gone over in the series so we can't say. As for the chakra, Nagato sends them his chakra through the rods. Anything beyond that is speculation and isn't a topic to be discussed here. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Apr 17, 2009 @ 03:45 (UTC)


 * "dead bodies don't have powers" -- wrong. Sasori's human puppets retain all of their abilities. Regardless, it appears that the abilities he uses don't rely on the natural abilities of the bodies at all. All of his summons also have the Rinnegan and piercings, and he can use all of the same summons with two different Animal Paths. The Deva Path uses abilities that the original user of the Rinnegan could use. 66.220.139.43 (talk) 14:00, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

A Small Pain Parody
I'm sure some of you will be offended by the following article (if not it's entire website :D), but I've been intently watching Pain's character and his pages here for some time... and ended up making a small spoof of Narutopedia's page on him:

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Pein

It's not the greatest thing ever, and I wrote it back when Pain first attacked Konoha and we literally knew nothing about his history, but I hope someone here gets a kick out of it. Please excuse all its lies and look at it as my strange way of showing fanboyism for Pain. :P

EDIT-- In case you wonder why I bring up crackers so much, it's from this manga page:

http://www.narutocentral.com/manga.php?s=naruto&c=372&p=7

ShadowfaxSTF (talk) 21:21, 24 April 2009 (UTC) kekkai genkai??? since when has six paths of pain been called as such???

Former
Souldnt we say this is former since they are all dead?

outer path
what about nagato as one of the 7 paths of pain?
 * took care of that just a second ago.--Newthx2u (talk) 03:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Why he may or may not be the path.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 04:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * konan explicitly states that the "master of the rinnegan" is the 7th pain. that's nagato. it's fairly explicit in its explanation.
 * And SleepFan, the group you got this from, means absolutely nothing to me. The actual Japanese text goes as followed

which in the grand scope of things is vague enough to either be talking about Nagato, or his jutsu.--04:30, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * so you're basically reverting this to your oppinion over his?--Newthx2u (talk) 04:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

No I'm reverting to keep up a compromise. I can't tell which one she is talking about, nor can the translator who translated this. Because of that this middle ground was used.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 04:37, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * so sleepyfans saying he's talking about nagato + random above translation remaining neutral + you saying it's the jutsu = do what you want? so help me god i gave this 6 paths page life months ago and i will take it away if need be!--Newthx2u (talk) 04:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Newthx2u dont even bother yourself trying to deal with these guys. it's a futile effort and a massive pain in a bodypart of your choosing. you'll just need to wait until his view no longer holds any sway (never gonna happen).I"ll now return to my exile.  --NurXang (talk) 04:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * For a guy in self imoosed exile, you always seem to show up at these moments. Reminds me of someone. /shrug If I didn't know any better I'd say you were following me.
 * Anyway, yes. That's how it works. Because the vast majority of us don't read Japanese, so we put our trust in SleepyFan. However, they are not always right. They have seen fit to change how certain things are said so they made more sense. This is one of those cases. The actual Japanese is vague enough to be interpenetrated a number of ways. Which is why the middle ground is used. (I would also like to toot ShounenSuki's horn in saying he has translated quite a few databooks. Random translator, he is not.)--TheUltimate3 (talk) 04:50, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ultimate3 you jackass we meet again! i'd bet you're tooting his horn! the reason i've come out of the shadows like this is b/c pompous asses like you never cease to get in the way of honest editors like Newthx2u and what i used to love doing.
 * Translations are vague. it's their very nature to not make sense one way or another. your opinion has as much sway as anybody elses in this festering hole i used to enjoy so much, and it's not your decision (never was, actually). Sleepyfans' translation may take artistic license if necessary, but it's good enough for 90% of the online manga sites so it should be good enough here.
 * But i digress...
 * the point of the matter at hand is that some minor translation differences that you beleive exist don't merit your opinion having sway over those unlike you and me who think we are important in this place (or at least i thought i was before your jackassery took place all those months ago).
 * I've said about all i need to say at this point. good luck Newthx2u.--NurXang (talk) 05:04, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The hilarious part is I didn't even make it past the first 3 words. Try again to be more clear without being well a jackass as you said.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 05:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll do my best, crazy person that i'm afraid to agree with!
 * As for the overall translation, it seems vague if you look at the lines, but taken in context it does actually say that Nagato is the 7th pain. in the first line of that translation you fished up it says "they...exist outside the world where life and death exist" and then goes on to say "nagato's eye power...rules over life and death: the 7th pain." that seems to be fairly explicit even using the info you saw fit to provide.it never mentions the king of hell ruling over life and death, only the rinnegan.
 * plus, seeing as how this is referred to as a "path" it should bear the traditional markings of a path: piercings, rinnegan eyes, and a "path" name. nagato has all those. --Newthx2u (talk) 05:15, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

"First 3 words"? in a shocking turn of events i'll actually ask you to explain what the hell you mean. surely that second sentence wasn't a comeback. if it was, then you've lost that arrogant bite that i remember you having back in the good old days. hell i might just have to stick around for this to watch you thrash around!--NurXang (talk) 05:20, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * @Newthx2u:::::::They were also all corpses, all of which Naruto wasn't until recently. Anyway this is where the problem comes in. That is how you and I both looked at it. However, his Rinnegan ruling over the seventh Pain, the one of life and death and then suddenly the King of Hell showing up could be the Pain of life and death. That's why its vague. That's why the middle ground was used.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 05:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * @NurXang:/nod /nod Yeah. Ok. Go back to your little exile now, you obviously aren't contributing to the issue.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 05:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

That's an exceptionally sly way of not needing to answer anything i said earlier. If youll look in my monologue from before youll see that i actualy posed questions quite pertinent o the discussion. Oh, and it was a self imposed leave from this hole, which means that you dont get to tell me when to leave. As i said earlier, i'll be seeing this discussion through to the end or at least until you see what that other guy and i are trying to get across.--NurXang (talk) 15:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

In both translations konan states that the 7th pain, master of the rinnegan, can use the other techniques of the other 6 paths. afew chapters ago we saw nagato use shinra tensei that only deva path can use, and now we see him summon the king of hell that only Naraka path has used. my bet is that king of hell is the only summon that can use Outer path's revival technique, but is still not the path itself. just think about it for a second: which is more likely to be the 7th, "outer path" of pain? a summon that already has a name, bears no similarity to the other paths in any way, and was already shown as a weapon of another path, or the physical controller of the other paths which has a great physical likeness to them, performs jutsu that deal with life and death, and actually peforms two which have the word "gedo" in the name? I think i've made my point. --Newthx2u (talk) 15:41, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * If you read my translation carefully, you'll see that Konan is calling Nagato's technique the seventh Pain. Not Nagato himself. --ShounenSuki (talk 15:45, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * And the cycle begins again.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 15:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * shounensuki all that supports that claim is the form of the pronoun in the first word of the second sentence of your translation "they". in every language referential pronouns can have multiple meanings. it could either mean, as you see it "they" referencing the techniques, or, as i and sleepyfans saw it, "he" referencing "the person who wields the rinnegan". given what happens in the following images, i think it stands to show which one was being referenced.
 * U3 people disagreeing with you and using evidence as support doesnt count as a cycle. it's actually called progress. --Newthx2u (talk) 15:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The cycle I was referring to was the arguement, not if people agreed with me or not. I already stated, you and me had/have a similar interpretation of the text. It can however be taken another way. The arguement is going through the exact same thing it had before. And it's "TU3" or "TheUlitmate3". Gotta say the whole thing or it doesn't work >.>--TheUltimate3 (talk) 15:56, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * @Newthx2u: Actually, you're wrong. First of all, the first two sentences refer to "the person who wields the Rinnegan". "They," which isn't actually in the original Japanese, also refers to the Rinnegan wielder.
 * The important sentence here is the last one. The one talking about the seventh Pain. "Nagato's eye power is a technique that rules over life and death; the seventh Pain...". It clearly refers to Nagato's technique as the seventh Pain and not to Nagato himself. --ShounenSuki (talk 16:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, it looks like a little mediation is needed here. Frankly I'm not even sure how this discussion spiraled away like this.

TheUltimate3 cited a relevant discussion which was conducted very civilly. After another comment he fully cited the translation ShounenSuki made and summed up what the outcome of the discussion was. Why this was taken as "[his] opinion" and "do what [he] want[s]?" I can not understand, cause when one reads the other discussion they'll see that TU3's opinion was "Nagato=Outer Path" and the discussion's compromise was "either nagato or jutsu" which he reiterated.

A little reminder. The wiki's policy has been to discount translations made by scanalation groups and fansubs. This has been the case for a long time, and no-one has come out and made any big community objection. Fan translations are loose, and in some cases outright incorrect, the groups don't pay enough attention to subtleties and you can't derive meanings from subtle phrases in their translation because there's a good chance that the meaning in the translation might not have even been in the original text. On the other hand, ShounenSuki knows Japanese, and he's been kind enough to help out by translating the text. As a translator for the wiki rather than someone trying to loosely translate an entire manga so people can read it, ShounenSuki does what he can to translate text as precisely as he can and explain any ambiguities in the text. Something to remember here is when we take Japanese -> English subtle meanings cannot be taken from the resulting English, no matter how good the translation, simply because there are differences in languages and there is no guarantee the meanings were even present in the original Japanese. ShounenSuki is the one person here basing his arguments on the original Japanese text, the rest of our arguments come not from subtleties in the Japanese but from subtleties in the English he's done what he can to translate for us so we can understand. ShounenSuki is still kind enough to state his arguments in English so we can read them.

Now for NurXang, please keep your comments civil and stick directly to discussion on the topic. If your contribution to this discussion is going to primarily consist of personal attacks, dissuading editors from trying to participate in the discussion, and off-topic throws between you and TheUltimate3 then sticking around in this discussion isn't going to be permitted.

For TheUltimate3, from now on if NurXang makes any further incivil comments please ignore them completely and move on to another part of the discussion. Responding to them just feeds the incivility of the discussion.

A quick postamble, any comment which is combined with incivility or personal attacks may be ignored completely, if you're going to take part in a discussion please do it civilly, or your comments may not even be considered. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) May 31, 2009 @ 18:57 (UTC)

no shared vision
The concept of shared vision was valid when we knew nothing about the 6 paths, when we treated them as six separate entities with a hive mind. But now it's clearly known that Nagato was seeing through their eyes, so "shared vision" is no longer valid in my opinion. We should change it to "Nagato can see six separate fields of view at once". I've already made the change but some wise guy changed it back. Xfing (talk) 09:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That does not change the fact that the Paths all had a shared vision. Hell the only thing that could be changed is to add Nagato's actual body to the shared vision list. Because Nagato spent the entire fight in a paper tree. Each body saw one thing, which obviously went back to Nagato, which then went back to all the paths. Thus, shared vision.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 10:07, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

The only problem I see here is that taking the thing this way implies that each Path is an individuality. Well, when he uses them, the paths ARE Nagato. Without him they are just motionless corpses. It's him who sees everything, without his chakra the paths lay dead as the corpses they are. It's only Nagato who sees through the eyes of these corpses.Xfing (talk) 10:11, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Aye, it is him who sees everything. However, the entire invasion, he was in a tree. HE couldn't see anything. His Paths however could. Then as I said, it's that jumbled mess of sending its vision to Nagato and back to the other paths. Hence, again a collective shared vision.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 10:16, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, agreed. With the exception of "sending the vision back to the other paths". Think about it for a while, since all six of the paths send their vision to Nagato, he can already see all six fields of vision anyway. For example if someone attacks Preta from behind and Human was seeing it, Preta will dodge, but not because Preta can see it too, but because Nagato can see it through the eyes of Human. Preta doesn't need to see it, because Nagato already sees the attack, and can make Preta move. Xfing (talk) 10:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


 * All the Paths share Nagato's vision, thus what one sees the others see. In a constant loop. Using your example, if the Preta Path got attacked from behind and the Animal Path saw it, the Preta Path also saw it because the Animal Path saw it, and because the Animal Path saw it, Nagato saw it, which means every path saw it.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 10:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok whatever, guess there's no convincing you. But just assuming it's Nagato that does all the seeing wouldn't change the functionality of the six paths in the slightest. It would still work the same. Xfing (talk) 10:37, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. Which is why this was basically going back and forth for no reason. In the end, nothing actually changed. Not because either of us was right or wrong, but because we both basically said the same thing using different or more words.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 10:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Rinnegan
Is this technique related to the Rinnegan?

Format
Should we just use one picture in the infobox? cuz 2 is messin up the formatting--SkyFlicker (talk) 16:40, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * I see no reason really. Two pictures in 1 infobox is really only a problem for smaller jutsu articles. This article is long enough that it doesn't distort anything.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 16:52, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

i got my wikia
i got it i created six paths of pain but i can't understand i put pics but it always shows template and not board like example:image orochimaru and other things help me it always shows template and stuff

7th Pain
Konan clearly states that Nagato is the 7th Pain so what is this of the Outer Path being the 7th ?! cos I just dont get it !! --Sennoman (talk) 18:49, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * With just one word: "Mistranslation". The fanbook makes it clear. Jacce | Talk 18:53, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Tendo enhancement issue
I was reading the new Naruto VOLUME 46 that I had recently purchased and it struck me that I while I was reading Konan noted that: "As noted by Konan during Chapter 430 Pain's jutsu output is considerably more powerful when he focuses on Tendo however this is considerably risky as the other Pains were healing considerably sluggishly." --Artist of Flash (talk) 20:07, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

I Put this note in the Trivia section, however I would like to so kindly inquire that someone put it in the section for Tendo's profile personally I don't know how to do it.--Artist of Flash (talk) 20:07, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Happy New Year everyone, it's no longer new year here but I hope you have an enlightening 2010 AS I WILL.--Artist of Flash (talk) 20:07, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Oh and if anyone was curious the chapter was as I said 430 and I read it out of a VIZMEDIA issue...--Artist of Flash (talk) 20:08, January 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but what? Konan said that Pain's jutsu were stronger when he focused on the Deva path, but it was risky because the other Paths were healing sluggishly? The only path that could heal anything was the Naraka path using the King of Hell.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 21:14, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

That's what I meant man, she meant the other pain's were healing slowly with the Naraka path and sorry I read the viz mangas and occasionally to keep up the OM mangas so I know him as Tendo.....--Artist of Flash (talk) 05:30, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Btw here's a link to Onemanga of Konan clearly stating it;here but please note that I said I read it from the VIZMEDIA Volume so it was said in different words but nonetheless exactly the same subject...--Artist of Flash (talk) 06:41, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah ok. I didn't understand what she ment, it sounded all sketchy (granted my translation was all over the place). Alright then.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 11:11, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Pain's skin colour
Did you guys realise that pain's skin was Gray pale like in Shippūden Episode 80 then afterwards during the fight with Jiraiya the skin was more colour? And Konan's skin was Gray pale like in Shippūden Episode 125 as well.

Capitalisation of "Path"
I have been wondering about this for quite some time now: why isn't the path in Deva path, Preta path, etcetera, capitalised? In my opinion, they are proper names and should be treated as such. --ShounenSuki (talk 20:04, January 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know. All I do know is the "p" in Six Paths of Pain was kept capitalized because it was part of a proper noun/name/whatever-I-am-a-computer-science-major-not-an-English-major. As for the "p" in the individual paths, I think it was concluded that they were indeed not proper nouns to the paths. While I do not understand this, as I am not an English major, it should be written somewhere in Nagato's talk page somewhere.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 20:11, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see, I'll go check there then. --ShounenSuki (talk 20:32, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah i ran into that problem when i was building the path pages awhile back. honestly i think path should be capitalized as it is used in part as a titular element of each of the paths. i may only be an english minor and i know this has been discussed before, but i think suki's argument has some credibility here. --Newthx2u (talk) 21:05, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Jiraiya and his connection to the Paths of Pain's bodies.
It was noted that Jiraiya had met all of them but the animal path, which is incorrect. It was this path that he learned while in the toad's stomach, was the one he he left the scar on his forehead. Jiraiya did make notion and exclamed the fact that all the Paths of Pain were ninja he encountered on his journeys. You can go on hulu and seek evidence and all up to date Naruto Shippuden episodes, well to 4th season episode 164. you can mark and msee all the ninja in episode 127-Tales of a Gutsy Ninja – Jiraiya Ninja Scrolls: part 1 and episode 128-Tales of a Gutsy Ninja – Jiraiya Ninja Scrolls: part 2. and episode 133-The Tale of Jiraiya the Gallant, is where we learn the fact that Jiraiya has meet all these ninja. here is the address to the Naruto Sippuden episodes on hulu, veiwing is free and so is signing up, making an account is best so you can keep track of the show on hulu you watch.

http://www.hulu.com/naruto-shippuden

--Alloydsx13 (talk) 04:31, June 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * He met all but the second animal path. ~SnapperTo 04:34, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Decay
O.K not sure how appropriate this is for a talk page, but I noticed that the Path's skin colors are kind of a peach-gray. since they're dead, I'm assuming it's decay? I kinda need an answer.--暗闇の門番 - "Gatekeeper of Darkness"'' (言うことを何かを得た - "You got something to say?") 07:47, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * They look like normal skin tones to me, especially in the manga. --ShounenSuki (talk 12:38, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Consistency
"The Outer Path (外道, Gedō) is the seventh path of Pain, not included with the main Six Paths of Pain."

The Outer Path article itself says this, yet it is included with the Six Paths of Pain in this very article. Someone might wanna fix this for consistency among article content.--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 04:27, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Rinnegans of each Path
Simple question: Did each Path keep their Rinnegans when they were killed or did their Rinnegan disappear after Nagao died and their eyes returned to normal?--Darth Malice the Destroyer (talk) 21:20, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Although their eyes hasn't been seen after Nagatos death, I guess they lost their Rinnegan then. After they were destroyed by Naruto, they still had Rinnegan eyes. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 21:40, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

I think they were just markings on the eyes of the corpses that appeared similarly to how the Sharingan appeared on the Nine Tails' eyes when Madara took control of it. When a path was incapacitated, it probably kept the eyes because Nagato's chakra was still flowing through them. When Nagato passed away, the eyes probably turned back to normal. Thje same is happening with Madara's Six Paths of Pain. Each body's eyes resemble the eyes of the one controlling them probably because the controller is sending his/her chakra through their bodies and the controller is using the power of their own eyes through the eyes of the hosts. Diamonddeath (talk) 17:41, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * You may be right but since their's next to no information about how the Six Paths were created we can't assume that. Darksusanoo (talk) 17:45, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

"Other" Names
I was wondering since it's not there, but is it ok for us to list their names like "God, Hungry Ghost, Hell" Realm as their "other names"?--Cerez365™ 03:04, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I really dislike those translations... They give such a wrong view of these concepts ><
 * Then again, I guess it won't do that much harm listing them. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:22, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Madara's Six Paths
It should be mentioned that Madara has made his own Six Paths of Pain from the resurrected jinchuriki, giving them Rinnegan and Sharingan eyes like his own. Where's he getting all these Rinnegans from? 207.216.222.107 (talk) 14:37, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Jeez man the chapter just came out, we're not robots.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 14:48, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps they take the eyes of the person who cast the jutsu, but let's not all start guessing now, we'll wait for next week. —Fmakck (Images 14:49, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting theory that could be validated from already released material: when Sasuke took over Manda the Sharingan manifested itself in Manda's eyes, and likewise with Madara and the Nine-Tails. If it works for the Sharingan, why not for the Rinnegan? Also, I added in more or less what I put in my first post, minus the question.  Everybody OK with that? 207.216.222.107 (talk) 15:17, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * All Nagato's paths had Rinnegan eyes, but I doubt he had that many to spare, so I guess the users "eye" is transferred to the path, so the user can see through them. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 15:27, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * So~ who says Madara is using the revived jinchūriki and not the actual corpses? —ShounenSuki (talk 19:12, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Their faces are cracked like the revived jinchuriki, and their Sharingan eye is shaded like the other revived shinobi.--Deva 27 19:16, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * The shading could be just that: shading. The cracks could be because they've been dead for a while. I'm not saying they aren't the revived jinchūriki — I'd actually say they are — I just find it odd that Edo Tensei summons could be used for this, as I thought corpses were needed. Corpses Madara does actually have access to. Then again, it's also odd that Madara apparently had to modify them to give them the Rinnegan–Sharingan combo and that they had to get used to them. Sounds to me like they have more autonomy than Nagato's Six Paths showed.
 * What I'm trying to say is: why specify they're the revived jinchūriki when it's both unnecessary and possibly incorrect? —ShounenSuki (talk 19:22, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

While were at the point of discussing Madara's Six new Paths shouldn't the page be broken into Madara's Path's and Nagato's Path's? Darksusanoo (talk) 20:32, June 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * @ShounenSuki: There appears to be another contradiction which may imply that they are indeed the resurrected rather than just simply corpses, in that none of their bodies demonstrate any form of Chakra Receiver, which we know where a necessary component when Nagato used the technique. I don't know, maybe the Rinnegan–Sharingan combo supplant this need but to me, the fact that they are already being controlled through other means while still technically remaing deceased just seems more reasonable and I don't know why something such as Summoning: Impure World Resurrection couldn't facilitate this.
 * @Darksusanoo: I think the information specific to Nagato's paths should be seperated, while the sub-sections detailing the paths (here) should instead become generalized paragraphs, which we can add the respective jinchūriki to as they are revealed. Blackstar1 (talk) 21:27, June 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * In other words, what it all comes down to is that we simply have too little information to say anything definite and should thus try and refrain from doing so. All we know is that Madara created a new Six Paths of Pain using the jinchūriki (we don't know which set of them) and they each have a Rinnegan and a Sharingan, which Madara said they apparently had to get used to. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:39, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't have a problem with making the info neutral because I also wondered why Madara would use them when they're under Kabuto's control and all, or maybe he was able to wrest control from him, but then again they do look exactly like the rest of the revived shinobi butttttt at the same time when Kabuto was mobilising them in chapter 516 they were steaming (losing the cracks and all that stuff) but now they look like they were just summoned so i say we wait it's not an issue if we do that right?--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 21:58, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think the reason Madara's Six Paths don't need piercings is because they aren't corpses. Diamonddeath (talk) 22:29, June 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * With all that said, I wonder if Madara learned to perform the resurrection technique through Kabuto's demonstration... nevermind, anyway have to wait Holyn (talk) 05:34, June 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's possible that they're the original corpses, but considering the lack of rot, the cracks on their bodies, and their darkened sclera, I'm pretty sure that they're the six that Kabuto summoned. They're even standing in the same formation as when he summoned them. My personal speculation is that "Six Paths of Pain" simply denotes six individual bodies that the caster controls remotely, using the Rinnegan to link their eyesight and grant them each particular abilities. Nagato probably originated the technique, and controlled them remotely by transmitting his chakra into their bodies through piercings, probably corresponding to acupuncture points linked with their chakra pathways. For Madara's version, I believe he has cast a hypnosis doujutsu on the resurrected Jinchuuriki using his sharingan, stealing them from Kabuto. As such, they each have one sharingan (a sign of the hypnosis) and one rinnegan (the source of their unique powers as Paths of Pain). Of course, we should find out the truth of the matter next week. FF-Suzaku (talk) 06:10, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

That actually makes a lot of sense. I really hope that it gets explained in detail as soon as possible, whether it gets explained in the series or the next databook. Diamonddeath (talk) 06:51, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

But he said "...and this group is about used to their new eyes". How could they be used to their eyes if they are dead? Could they be alive?--Jaanwu95 (talk) 07:35, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

Since none of this speculation has a place on the page itself, why not hold any idea's and beliefs till we learn new information. We have only seen Pain utilize the corpses as medium's of the Six Paths so everyone's jumping to the idea that they must be corpses. Just because Pain did it, doesn't mean it can't be done a different way.-- Hohenheim ☯ Talk ☯  20:09, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

This begs the question: if they are the Edo Tensei Jinchuriki, who's controling them, Madara or Kabutorochimaru? If Madara's controlling them, that may be the reason behind Kabuto's WTF moment, not Naruto Rasenganing the magnet-user. I doubt Kabuto is going to be pleased that Madara has taken what may be his seven strongest pieces off the chessboard. 207.216.222.107 (talk) 08:41, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

"Pain" and "Pain Rikudō"
Where's the difference between Pain and Pain Rikudō? And when was the latter labeled as Jutsu? Seelentau 愛議 15:14, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * "Pain" is the alias Nagato assumed as the "leader" of Akatsuki, while "Pain Rikudō" (Six Paths of Pain) is the jutsu he used to animate six corpses and give them powers. 207.216.222.107 (talk) 15:19, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * But when was it classified as Jutsu? Seelentau 愛議 15:20, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a kekkei genkai technique because you need the Rinnegan to use it, and kekkai genkai are referred to as bloodline jutsu. 207.216.222.107 (talk) 15:24, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Because he use his dōjutsu powers. --Ilnarutoanime 15:24, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not exactly what I meant. What I want to know is: When was the term "Pain Rikudō" used to describe Nagato's Jutsu to create the Pains? As far as I know, the term just describes the six bodies and nothing else. There was never a name given for the Jutsu. Seelentau 愛議 15:29, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * If I'm not sure, maybe in databooks, or, it's a jutsu. It is a Rinnegan power. --Ilnarutoanime 15:50, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Pain has yet to appear in any databook by the way, since the last came out a few years ago. The technique is called the "Six Paths of Pain" technique, so Madara's referring to it as "Pain Rikudo" isn't noteworthy really. That's what you get when you convert it to romanji as well, so I don't see the problem.Skitts (talk) 17:17, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * No Skitts, Pain Rikudo is the jutsu, it has nothing to do with Madara. --Ilnarutoanime 17:21, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Pain Rikudō is the Jutsu, you said. And where exactly was that said? Seelentau 愛議 18:07, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Apparently you can't read Ilnarutoanime because that's EXACTLY what I said. Skitts (talk) 18:20, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

Oh dear, anyways, when it was decided to move the Paths off Nagato's article it was given this name because that's what they were called (Madara sorta confirms this as well). There's no official release for the technique name however.--Cerez365™

@Skitts to be honest, I had the wrong answer. Sorry. Cerez-senpai is right. Looks like Madara confirm it. --Ilnarutoanime 13:10, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

I kinda agree.. When they are first introduced, Pain calls his bodys his Six Paths of Pain / Pain Rikudo. But in my eyes it is just what he calls them. Just like when Sasuke and his guys would fight together and Sasuke would shout "In attendance: Team Taka!" Sure, Nagato controls all of them but that doesnt change the fact that it is just the name he chose for this "team" of his... It was never mentioned that the jutsu that is used to control the bodies is called Pain Rikudo. So in my opinion: Pain = Alias of Nagato. Also each body is called Pain Pain Rikudo = Name for the group/ team that is formed by the six bodies --217.187.37.133 (talk) 21:35, August 7, 2011 (UTC)Timiursa

difference
every path have a one abilities in the new Six Paths of Madara? is a abilities Six Paths of Pain Coincides the abilities the new Six Paths of Madara? or every path of Six paths of Madara use the techniques which possessed the jinchuriki??
 * How do you expect us to know that? Jacce | Talk | Contributions 17:53, June 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * It is possible to tell fortunes and dream
 * I assumed you've been trolling either that or using bad translator >.> In any case I assume your questions will be ignored from now on...--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 18:09, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

Chapter 550
We all can see that Nagato can use powers of six paths of pain by himself without bodies. It ios factual, so if someone wants to delete it he or she should explain why...I edited it...YamatoTakeru (talk) 18:59, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's something we know since Nagato was alive. I think it's because that's more relative to Nagato and the Rinnegan, and such information is already listed in those articles. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:03, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Well Gaara mother's curse to vilage was also factual, until Yondaime kazekage admited that he told Yashamaru to lie to Gaara. So as I see thing here, the facts doesn't mean nothing in this manga and anime. One day it is like this the another tottally diferent angle...YamatoTakeru (talk) 19:08, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * That Nagato can use each path's abilities himself? I don't see how that's different from what we knew back when Nagato was alive. We've seen him use Shinra Tensei in a flashback, and we were told he can use all the powers himself. The recent chapters don't change that, it merely reaffirms it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:12, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

You were saying. Chapter 551 page 2 and 3.See,s that all you want is credit for yourself and that you always delete everything I write even if it is factual.Here the little blonde stupid idiot is impresed how his cousin can use pain teqnick without bodies...YamatoTakeru (talk) 10:17, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Because Naruto simply did not know that he could use them? Naruto is not privy to our point of view of the story where we get information from all angles so obviously he would not know that Nagato could use the abilities of all Six Paths. By the way, Nagato could be Naruto's uncle for all we know.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 11:11, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't talking to you I was talking to Omnibender, since he likes me so much...You internet people shure like to use as we say wooden lawyers...And don't start some arguing because it could go to judgment day. And I don't get it.All you people I met on net as if you just sitting home on computer doing nothing but waiting to discus with me some stupid stuff about like Nagato who is noting so important and has ended his story. All I do is just asking why everything I wrote is deleted as I'm such stupid idiot who as if can't read, and doesn't have logic like volcano people from Star trek...YamatoTakeru (talk) 11:56, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to argue with you first and foremost, but if you were speaking to Omni directly, his talkpage would have been a more appropriate place for that.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 12:12, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Well you are a director editor admin some kind of guy, so you could help me in making my narutopedia more better(yes I have a narutopedia), forget about omni and shonen...YamatoTakeru (talk) 12:34, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I'm just a regular editor like you friend.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 12:38, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Couldn't call myself editor because everything I wrote was deleted but never mind...
 * Back when Naruto met Nagato inside Konan's paper tree, Konan said that Nagato could use all of Pain's techniques. Seeing Nagato using them himself doesn't change anything we already knew, ergo the pointlessness of saying he can use them without the bodies. It's not quantum physics. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:19, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Oky I had enough why should I be some kind of internet martyr. In fact why should I be a martyr in everything. Now going easy on things, no more discusion and arguing abouth stupid things. Naruto is about fun, not about being Britanica. Also I just started my own Narutopedia in my country.So why should I get bored with pain rikudo or shonensuki talking me about wiki infos, or omnibender corecting me, or getting angry on that guy who painted miniature figures bette than me. So I need vacation from all of yopu global population, from my family, school and everything. Four exams and final beag deal I can get it.And 16 years was enough of hard work...So bye bye internet people...79.101.133.236 (talk) 22:52, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Reason for the six paths
If Nagato can use the six paths powers on his own why do he use them anyway and why is he like handicap on that machine thing he uses to give the six paths chakra?Lil rob (talk) 08:56, August 6, 2011 (UTC)Lil rob
 * It's probably because he had no other choice. He was crippled from Hanzō's Exploding Tag Technique hence the walker. Then he used the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path which emaciated him but also provided him with another option. So it was a way around those problems.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 11:47, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Madaras Pain Rikudō
So I'm kinda confused.. Are the Pain Jinchurikis Kabutos Edos that Tobi stole? Or are they there actual bodies?
 * Read this. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 05:07, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

They are the ones who got resurrected by Kabuto which can be seen by their faces: they have little scratches like all the Edo Tensei Ninja--

The Paths
Forgive me if this topic has already been brought up recently. I've been away for a while. I think it has become increasingly clear that the names of the paths don't really refer to the bodies themselves, but to the abilities channelled through those bodies. I think the relevant articles should be changed to incorporate this. It also solves the whole problem with who the Outer Path is. After all, if the names refer to the abilities, than no-one is the Outer Path. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:45, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Finally >.> But since the bodies have been called such before if I remember clearly (at the beginning of the invasion), what exactly are you proposing be incorporated into the articles? (an example of sorts would be welcomed)--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 21:53, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd propose splitting the article into two parts. The first part would be the main article and would deal with the actual power, while a separate section would cover how the bodies the power is channelled through are also referred to by the same name and all the other information about the bodies in question. —ShounenSuki (talk 23:32, August 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Would something with the basic format of something similar to this be acceptable for everyone O.o?--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 00:36, August 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks good to me. —ShounenSuki (talk 00:43, August 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * Would we be able to put Pain's bodies into the infobox, by way of the gallery thing? He did refer to them as "Paths" and looking at th Preta Path having 3 images just strut around the article like that makes me cringe.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 00:54, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah the galley thing works on that page as well.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 00:58, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

this is exactly what Ive been purposing 86.96.227.93 (talk) 11:24, August 21, 2011 (UTC) eastfire

Why the whole article of Animal Path is in "Six Paths Of Pain" article?! akz! (talk) 15:18, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Derived Techniques
Should we add the techniques that they use such as Shinra Tensei and Banshō Ten'in as derived techniques for the Paths?--Cerez365™ 16:06, August 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * To be honest, I was always trying to think of a way to list the jutsu that the Paths used in the infobox. For example, I always thought it was weird that the Deva Path never seemed to have a straight link to Shinra Tensei, that bodies main jutsu. So if it makes sense, yes I say go for it.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 18:30, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well these articles are jutsu article and given how Nagato has been using it saying "Deva Path" and "Asura Path" and stuff like that we'd just have to add them as parent techniques.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 18:43, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest setting them as derived jutsu of the respective Six Path abilities, the same way the Samsara of Heavenly Life is currently set as a derivitive of the Outer Path ability. I'd also suggest setting Gedō Mazo as a derivitive of the Outer Path. FF-Suzaku (talk) 04:06, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Gedō Mazō is a character, not a technique.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 04:11, August 23, 2011 (UTC)