Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180607192958/@comment-34656247-20180729042339

AsianReaper wrote My point is, it was stated that people with keen minds were the best suited for using and countering Genjutsu. We know Minato has a very keen mind, and he's the caliber of Hokage. Orochimaru, Danzo are at the same level...and the caster (Itachi) is at Hokage's level as well.I don't remember it being stated that people with keen minds can counter it..only cast it. Please direct me to where it was stated ig. Kakashi, Orochimaru are guys with keen minds but were still affected? and we know of their Intelligence.

If Obito didn't use Genjutsu, he knew that Minato would break free before it'd be useful. It's not like genjutsu is his main weapon, as itachi uses it....he's a kamui boi and my earlier point still makes sense right?

Minato is a higher caliber Shinobi than Orochimaru, so yes I doubt that Genjutsu would inhibit Minato the same way as Orochimaru. That hardly changes the fact that he was affected...i bet he knows more stuff than Minato, he's a researcher of jutsu's after all..

Danzo existed and survived through wars? Like Minato who existed through the Third Shinobi World War, and was cited as the reason they won at all? Cmon. All hail FTG...danzo experienced more and didn't have FTG...

Are Ay, Cee, or Bee at Minato's level? No. Is Minato Sannin level? No. He's higher. And he's got a keener mind than any of those 3. Wow ;_; are AY, cee and Bee dumbasses? no... they are clearly skilled fighters who kinda gave minato a match ....cee is smarter than you actually think, check the sasuke battle vs the raikage, he even has a vast knowledge on the sharingan.

LoneNinja wrote: 1) Provide chapters or I won't acknowledge it happened. I won't watch anime since it isn't canon. 256..

2) Didn't happen in the manga so it isn't canon. What happened is what I described. Chapter 345. If Orochimaru was able to get free from the Genjutsu to make a hand sign, Minato can easily teleport at any give time. As Asian pointed out, Genjutsu won't work on Minato unless it's Tsukuyomi. Um he was struggling....and yea minato can move like that when he's comparable to orochimaru in terms of durability.

3) Lol. You don't even see what we're arguing about. You really are just arguing to just argue. Is this another way of saying you're right? and i'm assuming this reply was directed towards kurenai and a clone releasing genjutsu? lol

Then I said mirage was shown in the manga therefore it was stated. You said him turning into crows was shown in the manga so it is stated. So YOU disregarded him using substitution the moment you said he turns into crows as if it was fact. If im 100% sure that the technique wasn't substitution, why would i even hint a possibility that it was substitution? In the first line, according to your logic he can indeed turn into crows because that is what we saw isn't it? we're only posing theories here.

All I said, was prove that it wasn't. Now you want to change the topic cause you were wrong about me saying Itachi didn't have an ability he did have. If you're asking me to prove that it wasn't a clone then it obviously hints that you think it was a clone...why else would you ask me to prove that it wasn't lol..and to add even tobirama stared at izuna's eyes lol..Minato is so cool, he doesnt stare at peoples eyes. And the manga example you brought up which you said they didn't stare at itachi's eyes because of the fact that they already knew that he is itachi, but you were proven wrong, they did know that he is itachi but yet stared. Keep it up.