Talk:Clans

Dupe clan
Kedōin clan appears twice, once in the filler section, where it belongs, and once in the main section, where it doesn't. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:01, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Game-only clans
Right now, game-only clans are listed along with manga/anime ones, while anime-only clans are listed separately. Perhaps there should be a "Game-only clans" section as well? Also, Kubisaki Caln should be among the anime-only clans. --kiadony --talk to me-- 08:12, September 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * I came here to raise this point. It seems odd that the video game exclusive clans are mentioned alongside ones that originate from the manga itself. Surely they should either be with the anime ones or in their own section.--210.56.81.194 (talk) 06:04, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

一族　VS　氏
Why are the clans in Naruto called ichizoku (一族) instead of shi (氏)? Samurai clans of the sengoku jidai were called with shi not ichizoku, ie: 徳川氏 not 徳川一族. Can anyone explain this to me? 一族 means family/tribe while 氏 means family name/surname/clan. Then why do we translate (日向一族) Hyuuga Clan instead of Hyuuga Family? Shouldn't Hyuuga Clan be (日向氏)? Thanks for answering.Starship Troopers (talk) 07:33, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

The reason for translating 日向一族 as Hyuuga Clan would be because they are a clan of related families, not just one family, the clans are called ichizoku because thats what the writer decided to use for whatever reason, don't know Japanese so can't answer those questions.--TricksterKing (talk) 09:42, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

-Thank you for answering TricksterKing. Anyone else with more knowledge of Japanese care to answer?Starship Troopers (talk) 16:57, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably ShounenSuki or Seelentau. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:44, February 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Omnibender, I'll try contacting them.Starship Troopers (talk) 21:43, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Merging Clans
I turned it into one list. --Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis (talk) 15:29, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a specific reason why you did that? --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 15:59, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably because of the previous arrangement of the clans. Anime ones had their own section, but game ones were being listed with the manga ones. We'd have to create for the game the same semantic splitting that was done for the anime clans. I would do that myself, but that's beyond my ability. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:02, December 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * OH okay. I never knew the game ones were lumped in like that. It's also outside my span of abilities so I can't help there.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:30, December 8, 2012 (UTC)

Haruno clan?
Im pretty sure that Haruno is a clan(?) Considering the mark on Sakura's back since part 1 represents itZahi101 (talk)
 * The sign is also shown above Sakura's head on a chapter cover next to Uchiha and Uzumaki symbols--Elveonora (talk) 18:39, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Which? Jacce | Talk | Contributions 18:50, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Chapter 7--Elveonora (talk) 18:56, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Lol, it's exactly like Hashirama's tattoos ! XD
 * Chapter 626 page 6Zahi101 (talk) 19:18, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's always a possibility, but this is one of those things we need cold, hard, evidence that can be referenced.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 19:22, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * So Sakura and her mom having the same symbol on clothes and it being even shown among Clan symbols on chapter cover isn't hard evidence?--Elveonora (talk) 19:37, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not for something like this? Her father doesn't wear a symbol like that does he? Suppose they just like the same designers? And a mangaka does have creative license to put whatever they want on a manga cover, we don't expect Sakura to be wielding an axe or double-ended swords do we? To be technical, the seal over Naruto's head isn't the clan's symbol.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 19:58, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

(clearing indent) It's possible it is a clan symbol, but we've no way of knowing other than speculation. Anything seen on her mum or dad is anime, and not just anime but filler anime. I, for one, do not mind considering anime canon as long as it doesn't contradict or corrupt something from the manga, but when it comes to filler... There's almost nothing in them I would even consider worrying over when it comes to trying to make something canon, especially when using it to support the manga. And Cerez is right about the symbol above Naruto's head, but it's more of a technicality, potentially. --98.101.165.89 (talk) 20:05, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually her parents' design is right from under Kishimoto's pencil. He worked with the animators to incorporate them into anime--Elveonora (talk) 20:09, May 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * I was actually not aware of that as I do not watch (Shippuden)filler or the movies. I just looked it up on the site, and it seems so. I honestly do not know how to approach it. One the one hand, it is canon and given uniformity, it seems to be a clan symbol. But on the other hand... is it a clan symbol, or just for uniformity between parent and child? --98.101.165.89 (talk) 20:23, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe it's at least trivia-worthy. Also I believe that once in the manga, a background generic character x was seen with the same symbol on clothes, further suggesting such a clan may exist (or was that anime? ._.)--Elveonora (talk) 20:34, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Her having an immediate, nuclear family, doesn't mean it's a clan. Her family has never been referred to as clan. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:19, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

I was actually getting mindfucked thinking whether Haruno is a clan or not, But after reading chapter 7 it actually became an Axiom that Haruno is a clan, I mean come on. Naruto under the Uzumaki symbol, Sasuke under the uchiha symbol and Sakura under?.. That's just way to obvious... Although considering kishi did not mention anything about the Haruno clan until now, he might never mention it. Yet in chapter 7 i am sure Haruno was a clan Zahi101 (talk)

Clan's Crest
I've noticed that some pages have had their clan's crest removed from the pages and replaced with a picture of the clan members itself. Why is that? A clan's crest is very important and should at least be featured on the clan's page somewhere. It shouldn't be replaced with a picture of clan members when that could just be used lower down on the page. Is there a reason to this? --Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 (talk) 19:07, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

Could someone please respond? --Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 (talk) 15:25, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Possible new image
I don't know if it's possible, but in either the newest opening or ending, there's the clan's symbols spread again. However, this time they're in colour. What I do recall is that just as the spread appears, there's something else in the scene, like a blood spatter or flying kunai. This might also be useful in updating a few of the clan symbol images we have. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:01, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * In the newest ending, yeah. We have a scene like what you described above, but some lyrics of the songs and some credits are existed there so it's difficult to deal with them. Also, we never use the scenes from those openings/endings, true? — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 23:14, April 21, 2015 (UTC)

It was the best I could screencap. Frame without blood was too fast. Narsha (talk) 02:45, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

Official Clan Emblems
Well the Naruto art gallery revealed the official clan emblems for the multiple clans might as well place it here:

On that note, can we just accept now that the Uzumaki Clan emblem is red (their red hair), I'm tired of the Uchiha clan being the only clan here that has any color in it. Well, anyone know how to make these emblems for the wiki? Shock Dragoon (talk) 13:18, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Get Inkscape and draw them yourself. The clan emblems on this wiki have always been placeholders, they were never remotely official and it was always Suki's intention for them to be replaced in the future if an official emblem was made. --Sajuuk talk 13:22, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Good find btw, the clans that listed here are Uzumaki, Uchiha, Senju, Hatake, Nara, Akimichi, Yamanaka, Hyūga, Aburame and Inuzuka. — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 13:27, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oooo goody, where can I get that Inkscape, always wanted to draw some of these myself! Shock Dragoon (talk) 13:40, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * I asked Lukas to do the .svg files. Hope we'll get his response soon. Also, yeah, looks like the Uzumaki Clan's symbol is intended to be red.--Omojuze (talk) 13:55, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * @Shock Dragoon: You can download it here. Also, don't insert your replies randomly between others, keep things chronological by adding your replies at the end of a talkpage post. --Sajuuk talk 14:07, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * The clan symbols appear to be official. Their colours, however, are not. Or why is the Uchiha-Clan black instead of red? • Seelentau 愛 議 14:10, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

I say we can fudge around with the colors a bit to our liking where approriate. For example keep the Inuzuka Clan markings symbol red or go with a black and white thing for Hyuga. More visually pleasing than the going straight for the black. But that's just me.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 14:30, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * I say we can do this when it calls for it. Example: Uzumaki, Uchiha, and Inuzuka emblems are red they've shown that plenty of times. Akimichi can also be red because the "eat" symbol on their armor is always red too. Hyuga and remain black and white given their thing for the taijitu (yin-Yang) but that's about it. Until we get some more confirmations or "educated guess" we stick with black and white like the manga to be safe. That's just me being safe Shock Dragoon (talk) 15:14, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * This seems more like a happy accident than a here you go— clan symbols. That can lend to the creator getting a bit more free reign with colors. Just don't go crazy. I think the Hyūga symbol was shown two/three times in the series being red and yellow when colored.—Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 15:28, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Goodie goodie. Will be waiting for svg files. And Inkscape is harder than it looks. 17:26, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * I posted the pics in the Hyuga Clan talk page when I noticed the symbols instead of posting here, so thanks Shock Dragoon for bringing it on the right place. I'll try to make some symbols too. Narsha (talk) 22:19, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

In the description it say "Printed with the faces and crests of the renowned shinobi clans in Konohagakure Village", Since the Uzumaki clan is listed can their affiliation to Konoha be shown in the Uzumaki clan Page especially since they're now a family in konoha? Rayzur (talk) 07:03, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Good Point, it's like they are officially being rebuilt there, hell the current Hokage is from this clan Shock Dragoon (talk) 11:26, May 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * I have started to add the official emblems on the pages of clans, but I can not change the picture on the box the characters and clans page. If anyone knows arrange feel free. --Lukas Pessoa Dantas (talk) 21:54, May 9, 2015 (UTC)

"Haruno Clan" Again
Alright, I know we've been through this ad nausea but after this was revealed (thanks to Sharingan91), "Info/Story" link has that "Haruno" symbol that Sakura and Mebuki always wear. I think it's once again time to seriously debate about adding a "Haruno Clan" here, hell we never guessed there would be an "Hatake Clan" and not only did we get that, we got a "Lee Clan" now. I think after that association with all the other clan symbols of her inner circle, I think we finally need to come to terms and admit there is enough evidence to create the "Haruno Clan" page. The only thing they haven't done is straight up call it "Haruno Clan" yet but given we have all this evidence coupled with chapter 7 and everything. It's time to seriously debate this again guys. Shock Dragoon (talk) 23:49, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * That website confirms the Haruno Clan as much as it confirms the Konohagakure Clan. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 00:11, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * We know that the women of this family use clothes with this symbol   --Sharingan91 (talk) 08:14, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Makes no sense that Sarada would wear the "Haruno Clan" symbol when she wouldn't be a member if it existed. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 08:39, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sakura Hiden, it mention something???--Sharingan91 (talk) 08:52, September 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * Until some related to fracise resource mentions "Haruno Clan" we must not add it(since there is not enough evidence to do so). / Rage gtx (talk) 09:45, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not to split hairs, but @Saru, why did Boruto wear the Hyuga symbol at the end of "The Last"? You can honor both sides of your family. Given hw much evidence it's got going for it you can make an educated guess, I say we can at least make a "Haruno Family" page to satisfy the amount evidence. No harm done right rage? Shock Dragoon (talk) 13:11, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * In this image, I think that image talk of the Haruno family.
 * I found this translation: Sakura's parents debut!?? In the original Sakura's father did not debut with the mother, we were able to see the attitude in the Movie! Prior to Sakura and their parents have not seen their daily lives will be like in the end! ʱ?? The father is currently serving as the leaf positions are very noteworthy.


 * The lower left corner of the "movie settings Figure" Translation: Specifies the color of the initial public FIG animation! As can be seen from the color Sakura's hair color is genetic father, and green eyes is genetic mother!?? (Sakura's father was young pink hair should be, after a little older now is showing purplish gray)


 * The lower right corner, "Kishimoto teacher character set" Translations: looks very gentle but very strong cherry dad. His face was engraved on the rocks in the end why Naruto ~!?? Sakura mother's dress is three red circles on the Haruno family home pattern. (See Sakura's father seems a bit older, the only think Naruto Naruto parents died at birth, so relatively young; Sasuke Sasuke parents in the child's death, so it looks like the young are also considered) --Sharingan91 (talk) 16:26, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * So, all that boiled down: You agree with me that a "Haruno Family" page is good enough. Shock Dragoon (talk) 16:58, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thing is we need not circles of Haruno family but circles of Haruno Clan - why do we even need to create page about Family? / Rage gtx (talk) 17:28, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Original text (last part): 右下角的"岸本老師的人物設定"翻譯：看起來很溫柔卻又很強大的櫻爸. 他的臉孔被刻在火影岩上到底是為什麼~！？小櫻媽媽旗袍上那三個紅圈是春野家的家紋. (看到小櫻的爸爸好像有點年紀時，才想到鳴人爸媽在鳴人出生時過世，所以比較年輕；佐助父母則在佐助小時候過世，所以看起來也算年輕)

We can read 春野家 Haruno Family --Sharingan91 (talk) 17:56, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like we have something for a "Haruno Family" now at the very, but really guys I don't we would be continuing this discussion unless we really had enough to seriously consider this. Shock Dragoon (talk) 18:27, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * @Shock Dragoon, I think there is enough evidence to make a page, but you should talk with others. --Sharingan91 (talk) 18:38, September 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * In the movie "Road to Ninja" 33:52, we can see Haruno's house and there are family symbols on the home as happens with other clans.--Sharingan91 (talk) 10:51, September 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thats Sakura's neighbors apartment and that's more architectural design than family/clan symbols.
 * @Shock This is a fire symbol, not the Hyūga symbol clearly. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 11:09, September 7, 2015 (UTC)

List leaders
List Clan leaders in article infoboxes yay or nay? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 16:00, April 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Nah.--BerserkerPhantom (talk) 16:06, April 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't feel those are necessary. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:00, April 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * I actually think it would make sense for the infoboxes sense they are the leaders of said clans. I mean what's the harm? Shock Dragoon (talk) 18:04, April 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * Think it would look better listed in the infobox as opposed to how it is now. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 10:22, April 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * Exactly, it's information that pertains to the clan like loyalty and kekkai genkai, so why not add it to the infobox for uniformity? Shock Dragoon (talk) 15:42, April 17, 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems as necessary as listing village leaders in infoboxes, something which we already do. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 12:47, April 30, 2016 (UTC)