Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-6769189-20200705100921/@comment-6769189-20200711061142

ReweR 1331 wrote:

Okay, let's say they're equal.

Why do you think that the cross-shaped eye in SPSM has nothing to do with Frog Sage and Nine-Tails chakra? Because he isnt using Sage Mode. There are no marks around the eyes

He isnt using Kurama's chakra because his eyes arent red.

ReweR 1331 wrote:

Ashura has always needed support, in anime it is clearly shown that for SPS he used the chakra followers. I think it is obvious that Naruto is using the Nine-Tails chakra. That was filler and filler isnt canon. What hapoened there is irrelevant

ReweR 1331 wrote:

His eyes are not red and are not pigmented as SPSM is the new level of senjutsu. It not a new level as in it upgrades his Toad Sage Mode. Its a different and better Senjutsu

Imagine Toad Sage Mode is a house. That house has 3 floors. SPSM does not add a 4th floor to Toad Sage Mode.

SPSM is its own house with 4 floors ReweR 1331 wrote:

Remember Jiraiya and his SM and compare it to SM Naruto. Fukasaku pointed out that SM Naruto is perfect because it only has pigments from the changes. But in fact, the ideal is SPSM, which has no changes. He was a perfect Sage. Thats what a perfect Toad Sage looks like

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

There are people who can use sage jutsu but don't have sage mode. Jugo is prime example. Curse mark grants senjutsu chakra but the user doesn't have sage mode. So SPS and SPSM is different. The relationship between between SPSM and SPS is the same relationship between Senjutsu and Sage Mode that you described.

One can have SPS without SPSM, but not the other way around. SPSM is is an application of SPS.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

SPSM should he connected to Ashura because by your logic Hagoromo gave SPSM to Naruto but he doesn't have SPSM to give. Databook states that it is power given to Naruto by Hagoromo but he is not user of SPSM and that's odd. I dont know how many times in this thread i have explained that SPSM has jack shit to do with Ashura. My logic doesnt dictate that Ashura had it. Ashura is not involved in the exchange between Naruto and Hagoromo.

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Also why toneri has tsb is unknown and he had a huge amount of tsb but the tain tails jinchuriki Hagoromo and original tenseigan wielder Hamura had only 10 and that is also odd. We know why Toneri has TSB because the TSB databook entry tells us that TSB comes from SPS. If he has TSB, then he must have SPS, because SPS is a prerequisite. By obtaining the Tenseigan and recreating Hamura's powers. One of which was SPS

I dont know how it is that the series has given us the equation but you can only see the end result when it comes to Toneri. Only one explanation was ever given about how to obtain TSB and you can sit here and honestly proclaim that we dont know how it happened.

It doesnt matter how many Toneri has(although i think its the same amount he started with). Hagoromo/Madara/Hamura had 10. Obito started with 2 and eventually had 10. Naruto had 9. It doesnt change the fact that TSB are a 6 Paths Sage Technique

Oriondragon181119 wrote:

Shikamaru stated that Naruto still has all the chakra of bijuu but he can't use SPS and he still has Hagoromo's chakra but still can't use SPS. why is that? Its not that Naruto doesnt have SPS. You just keep assuming that SPSM doesnt fall under the catagory of SPS. Also Naruto can still fly but you keep refusing to aconowldge that