Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-8284722-20141120180019/@comment-17623-20141120214535

Gemnist wrote: Rebuttal

First, you speak way to highly of me. I can and be very snappish. This time I just happened not to be.

Already from a outside point of view, you're making your first big mistake. You make the bold claim, with as far as I can tell nothing to back up, to be a far better writer than M Night Shyamalalalan. The reasons I'd strike against you is this overview right here; you claim to be his better at writing, but you're making a classic mistake; trying to stuff way way more than needed. Audiences don't like it when the movies plot jumps wildly from one thing to another. You cannot have the an Introduction arc, a tournament arc, an invasion story, and finally a brothers war in one film and expect it to make a lick of sense or flow in any logical way unless you plan to absolutely gut stuff.

Everything would have to be retooled completely for it to make any kind of sense. The introduction would have to cut the Land of Waves to give time to introduce the bulk of the Konoha 12 so the crap they go through during the Chunin exams has any meat to it, otherwise, its just pointless fighting to be there. Itachi has to lead straight into Sasuke's defection without the Sannin coming in because again for the movie, that introduces super important characters in the middle of the film, for again almost no reason. Unless you want each film to be Ten Commandments worthy (read 3 hours) there is no way you can logically fit everything you want. You'll have to either drastically change it or omit it entirely.

Now for the characters.

Naruto: Trust me. Drop the catch phrase. Old fans of the series hate it. New fans of the series will hate it. Catchphrases only stick when they are witty and clever. Yelling "Believe it!" is neither. And the logo we're kinda stuck with. Trust me we'd have changed it a long time ago if we could.

Sasuke: What I mean is that making Sasuke look like an absolute ass will just make the audiences question "Why does everyone care so much for this guy?" For the rating, PG-13 for what I assume is a western audience, having a character who tsundere isn't all that interesting, and more often than not grating. I'd figure Sasuke would be the easiest to transplant into a film because his character would literally need no changing. No need to try and make him a better villain, his villain is basically good.

Kakashi: So basically no change then?

Hiruzen: Like I said. Toughy. It would still make it look like, for all purposes, like Naruto was destined to be Hokage. In the film it may not look it because Naruto still lives in a one room apartment, but for movie goers its that classic "child takes after the master" thing.

Tenten: Tread carefully.

Sannin: I never said anything about external and internal. I was pointing out that having them in more pain is excessive. Also which mistakes that Team Kakashi will fix because their issues were quite literally internal. Tsunade lost her loved ones in war. How will Sakura fix that? Orochimaru wants to be immortal and became very very evil. How does Sasuke fix that? Jiraiya failed in getting the woman he loved and keep his friend from darkness. Naruto is the only one where this somewhat works (he keeps trying to save Sasuke, despite him walking down the same path as Orochimaru). You probably don't have anything concrete, but you're gonna need either explain what their supposed failures are and how Team Kakashi is meant to fix it, because this is literally Kishimoto level of "Lots of buildup for almost no reward".

Itachi: Again, the problem with showing Itachi in any kind of redeemable light before he gets killed is that it makes Sasuke's goal in killing him look stupid. The audience will go "Itachi is clearly a good guy. Why is Sasuke so gunho in trying to kill him?" Him showing his softer side to Naruto, or really anybody that isn't Sasuke which can't happen because Sasuke is supposed to kill him, would just be odd and when his death actually does come it'll just be a "Well Sasuke's a dick" situation.

Basically I'd like to know how exactly you plan to fit Part 1 in a single film and make it make sense, with the characters you want and have them make sense. Because logically I just punched holes in a bunch of the important bits that I believe are quite quite big.