Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34661853-20181224172126/@comment-32685487-20190115224944

He had the fucking rods already stabbed into him when hashirama defeated and restrained him with the two Wooden Dragons, one of the Dragons nullified Madara's own chakra absorption ability by canceling each other out, and the other was further taking Madara's chakra so he could not break out of the God Gates or the Dragons. He was defeated with no excuses and he just happened to get lucky when Black Zetsu was finally able to force Obito to use Rinne Tensei, not only giving Madara all of his chakra back, but bringing him back to his full power which living bodies are always stronger than their Edo Tensei counterparts. Madara in that instant took the chance to bust the dragons and the God Gates, then he was able to overpower an Edo Hashirama and have the chakra rods go into full effect. Beforehand he was not strong enough to overpower Hashirama with the chakra rods, so Hashirama continued to fight and then overwhelm Edo Madara up until that point he was truly revived. Madara's only chance at beating a living Hashirama is with Limbo. If he knew the reaper death seal then maybe that could help him win too. If he managed to somehow keep Hashirama occupied long enough to rip his soul out with the King of Hell then that could work too. But that is literally it.. he has not other way to win while Hashirama has plenty ways to kill him. Also, while they were alive, Madara had the option of setting when the Izanagi would take effect, and he set it for a set amount of time after his own death. There is no evidence that he can change that after he sets it up, and if he felt he could have won he would have never set it for after he dies.. showing he knew he could not defeat Hashirama even with Kurama and Izanagi at his disposal.