Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26998824-20150919013222/@comment-26537507-20150919213515

@AnonymousBlank I know the chameleon can move, thats why I think Minato would be more alert to if it disappears.

Ah, sorry about that then. But no, Minato's speed is on a different level. Nagato with full mobility may well be faster than the average shinobi but the only way he's catching Minato with speed is if he breaks his legs first. Minato would win the speed game but Nagato can ultimately overpower him.

I would mostly because he created his six paths since he couldn't move himself. Other than that he has no reason to. The way I see it is that the bodies use the powers instead of him, not as well. But I've been wrong before so... Ninja Of War wrote: Curse of Hatred wrote: You may well be right about the chameleon. Do we have any other examples of it? In Jiraiya vs Pain, despite being in sage mode, Jiraiya could not sense the chameleon.

Curse of Hatred wrote: Unless OP says otherwise, we're assuming he doesn't have them at all, like edo Nagato. Edo Nagato is not prime Nagato. I would expect Prime Nagato to be at his strongest and prime Nagato is his strongest when he has the six paths of pain + mobility, though its not stated it is implied. By your logic, since OP never specifically stated that Minato is allowed to use FTG he cant I said 'like edo Nagato' seeing as that's the main example of him fighting without using 6 bodies. In almost every versus debate it's either Pain (as in the six paths) or Nagato (just him by himself), I can't remember ever having both in one fight. But in this case it's like all the debates with Kabuto/Oro/Tobirama since in most cases they don't have edo since that would require preparation for a fight that they wouldn't know was going to happen.

Either way if you feel like they would make a huge difference in the overall outcome then I'd suggest making arguments for both situations (when he has them and when he doesn't) if you post here again. Unless OP comes back and destroys me for saying he doesn't have them. Anyway, I've run out of debating energy so I'm out for now. Keep it peaceful.