Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34700383-20180829185752/@comment-6769189-20180906094150

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Hagoromo called out to each Biju chakra inside Naruto. He and the Biju verified them as one of conditions Naruto had met. There is another condition that is Naruto' mentality, which was necessary to aquire rsm. No he didnt. He made note that Naruto befriending them made him the child of prophecy not a candidate to achieve SPSM. You are putting words in his mouth

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

The juubi chakra is necessary to use rsm, this was explained in the OP as well as with the provided novel scan. The OP you provided didnt say a damn thing about Juubi chakra. Or Tailed Beast chakra. The entire databook page is about SPSM but we are suppose to believe for that one section Its NOT talking about SPSM? Right

The novel didnt even say was a legitimate Juubi jinchuriki. "In a manner of speaking" means that the statement isnt literal.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Don't mistake one condition for the other. I keep saying this but you always ignore it. Rsm has multiple requirements hagoromo called them conditions, kurama confirmed Naruto met those conditions. I've been teaching you about one of those conditions. But you refuse to learn. You keep telling me about the condition that cause Naruto to receive rsm. I made it clear that this isn't about that. This is about the condition Naruto met to use rsm. You are making up the conditions though. You are making connections between things that the manga and databooks do not make. Either quote Hagoromo or the databook or you got nothing because if the dont make the connection there isnt one.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

His eye indicate that he in fact did gather that nature energy himself. As there is manga evidence supporting this. Not when he started facing off against the against Hagoromo's golem, Naruto has to stay perfectly still to gather nature energy but he transformed while moving. Literally impossible to gather that nevergy himself.

Cant say the manga supports this because when we see Naruto he is already in toad Sage Mode. Unless we see him the moment he activates it there is no validity one way or the other as to the circumstances surrounding it.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Read the OP again it tells you how Obito and Madara and Naruto each gained Rikudo senjutsu and it involves the Biju. I also provided a novel scan that confirms the Biju requirement for becoming a juubi jinchuriki which grants Rikudo senjutsu. The Biju were mentioned as conditions, a condition that all Rikudo senjutsu users meet. Again, cite those other sources of Rikudo senjutsu or concede. Dont care what the OP says because the OP isnt Kishimoto. The manga didnt attribute SPSM to the Bijuu. Neither did the databooks. Both the manga and the databooks specifically attribute it to Hagoromo. Hagoromo constantly says that he gave Naruto and Sasuke his power.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Madara like much of the power hungry cast of Naruto didn't understand what being a sage of six paths was. Obito thought he and Madara and nagato were Rikudo sages simply because they each were rinnegan users. Then Kabuto thought he was the closest thing to sage of six paths because of his body modifications. Then Madara becomes a jinchuriki and remarks so this is six paths power. They don't fully understand Rikudo sagehood, and that's because it wasn't fully explained to them. They are only comparing themselves to and chasing after the power and capabilities hagoromo had. They are forgetting about the mindset hagoromo carried. The same mindset ashura and Naruto had. This is why I keep telling you there are multiple conditions for rsm. The condition for it's power source which is Rikudo senjutsu that allows one to use rsm. And the condition to receive the form which is the mindset deeming one worthy of the mode itself. Naruto met both conditions. Stop making the same error. Hagoromo made himself clear. Obito and Madara knew very well that the only way to truly become like the Sage of 6 Paths was to be a Juubichuriki. Because they knew he was at his strongest as a Juubichuriki. They did t understamd what that power felt like. Madara had the same reaction to Hashirama's senjustu chakra but he was underwhelmed rather than impressed

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote: One thing that doesn't change is how to identify Rikudo senjutsu. What does change is who gathers the senjutsu between Naruto or kurama, and the amount of kurama Naruto has. When Naruto gathers the senjutsu his eyes produce rings around them. When kurama gathers the senjtsu, there are no rings. No rings doesn't indicate anything else besides the biju gathering the senjutsu. Rikudo senjutsu indicates rsm', or rather the power to use rsm. It is rsm' power condition. This isn't theory. This is backed by manga novel databook evidence. Still waiting for them quotes

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote: In the last, naruto' eyes had rings about them, he gathered the senjutsu. Again, manga evidence supports this In the Last he couldnt have possibly gathered the nature energy because he was shown to be moving upon activation.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

The evidence is in the lack of rings around his eyes in that instance. They prove kurama was the cuplrit of that gathered senjutsu. What they don't prove is rsm because that form lacks the conditional Rikudo senjutsu. You first have to prove that Kurama gathering the nature energy causes yellow eyes and cross pupils. Which you havent.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Stop with these drastic leaps in logic and empty claims. That actual working translation of the last guidebook states:

' Kurama Chakra Mode

Naruto exhibits overwhelming power when borrowing massive amounts of chakra from Kurama, who is sealed within him. Furthermore, when used in conjunction with “sennin mode,” it drastically increases his sensory ability and the power of the ninjutsu he employs…!!

Caption for Naruto in Kurama chakra mode: The Shishou Fuuin becomes visible, and his chakra overflows like flames.'

It only states Naruto can use sage mode with kurama mode, which we know because that's the same power he had before he gained rikudo senjtus and rsm. Having only kurama now, this makes sense. You can watch the movie and see Naruto activate toad Sage Mode even though he is on the move. This can only be done if someone else gathers Nature energy for him.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Thanks for the correction. I meant page 18. I also updated that response with links to the relevant pages. He doesnt "turn it off" he arrives and it was already deactivated.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Naruto needs Rikudo senjutsu to enter rsm. Since this form lacks that, this can't be rsm. Naruto does have Six Paths chakra and he was given the ability to eneter SPSM by Hagoromo.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

This is kurama mode and sage mode, just like in the last, only achieved differently. Not like in the Last because that was toad Sage Mode as identifide by the rings.

The 4th databook already establishes the yellow iris/cross pupil as SPSM.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Especially in the same chaptetmr 700+4 where you claim he's doing this. Show me Naruto using both the abilities of rsm and that of kurama mode together. I'll concede if you have that in spades. We can start with the fact that he healed Sasuke from critical condition after he nearly got burned alive by Momoshiki. Using some more of that sweet Yin-Yang release that he got from SPSM in the 4th war.(movie version)

Naruto flew around around Momoshiki's Inukai Takeru no Mikoto in the anime version

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

It's more accurately the juubi' power. So that would also be correct but only when she's merged with the shinju. Also notice that she produced a ETSO before she separated herself from the juubi', confirming it's the source of that power. Except Hagoromo/Hamura got SP Senjutsu without the Juubi or the Shinju.

Juubito and Juubidara both has SP Senjutsu even though they didnt have the Shinju.

Kaguya was also had the Rinne Sharingan and casted Infinite Tsukuyomi prior to merging with the Shinjuu

Littlegen wrote: 5) Ashura's "Bodily Chakra" is in fact Ashura learning to infuse Ninjutsu or Senjutsu Chakra and he didn't receive power from Hagoromo.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Why specualt when I already proved ashura and hagoromo used ninshu. This was his method of achieving Rikudo senjutsu, it was his mindset and reslove that awarded him Rsm. This wasnt proven. Or stated. Ninshu is like a religion. You dont use Ninshu.

Hag0r0m0 0htsutsuki wrote:

Continuing with the car and the gas analogy The databook states because of naruto' mindset, he got the car from hagoromo. The databook also states he kicked the TSO, which required a certain level of gas. Both conditions are stated there. Too bad the databook doesnt say bijuu chakra is the gas.

''*The floating ability used by the Sage of Six Paths is also almost mastered unconsciously by this technique's user.
 * From the ancestor of shinobi, a divine state is gifted, touching the principles of all creation, commanding all things in nature
 * The qualities for obtaining this technique are strict studying and using a small gist in chakra kneading sensibility. An iron faith to face any hardship and the guts to never give up. Furthermore, the returning incarnation and fate's guidance ― this power is granted by the Sage of Six Paths only to someone who holds those. Those who activate the technique come to understand the flow of all life, gain a deep insight at the world's origins and are able to apply it on interacting allies without changing the way of things. This technique isn't something shinobi choose to experience. It is a technique that chooses shinobi.
 * Kicking the "Truth-Seeking Ball"! Exceeding the Kurama Mode, a feat accomplished by a huge chakra.
 * The reaction speed is not less than equal to Madara, who had turned into the Ten-Tails' jinchuriki. The sensing ability has also risen!!''[]

The only time the Juubi or Bijuu chakra were ever given credit for achieving SP Senjutsu was for the 10 Tails Coffin Seal.