Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-36632842-20180818184904/@comment-34194151-20180916002858

Everyone knows haku jobbed to sasuke, this is common knowledge. If he wanted sasuke dead at the beginning he would have been dead, period. He clearly changed his mind and then his stamina started to affect him. You're telling me that on the first panel the mirrors came up, when sasuke got rofl-blitzed by all those needles, someone as skilled as haku naturally missed all of them? Seriously? That's some probability I must say. He clearly jobbed there. toward the end of the fight, haku probably wanted to go for the kill again, but his dwindling stamina and sasuke's growth hindered the process. I like how you cite naruto being used as bait, yet that same naruto caused haku to waste more stamina fighting all the shadow clones. It works both ways...

You cited obito dodging fang over fang when obito was taking on fast characters like minato, kcm naruto, etc. You still haven't proven that rescue arc kiba is slower than part one gaara's sand. Also cited Sakon dodging one fang over fang yet when kiba strategized a bit Sakon got ripped in half.

Did I say I'm using naruto's feats? no I didn't. I simply said you're theory on smoke bombs is incorrect, and they have more applications than what you said. I chalk it up to inexperience. I then cited a battle when said applications were useful. Did I say sasuke would be standing still? No I didn't. If sasuke goes mid-range/long range kiba simply uses smoke bombs. Then what is sasuke gonna do? aim fireballs? throw shuriken? Less likely to hit when you can't see your target. Kiba can simply wait him out, focus on evasion, and knowing sasuke he would eventually switch to CQC, it's in his nature. The further sasuke moves, the longer it takes for his attacks to land, the easier it is for kiba to dodge. Sasuke would be forced to inch closer, and then kiba can eventually lure him into a fang over fang.

You cited kiba's usage against CQC fighters and assume he would be dumb enough to use it the exact same way against a mid-range/long range fighter who he would have trouble reaching. And I never said that sasuke would stand in the smoke, another assumption you made. He won't be anywhere near the smoke but he can't see through it, meaning he doesn't see the sticky saliva akamaru drops which is capable of temporarily immobilizing sakon. and even in the scenario where sasuke is caught inside a smoke bomb, your timing is off. When he leaves there would already be a decoy waiting for him, and he wouldn't immediately tell the difference.

you claim sasuke would set up traps when he has never done such a thing, and yet you accuse of me using OOC feats. I can literally cite the 3 things sasuke has done in every battle he has been in even up through the battle with killer bee. Ignoring Kirin/cursemark/MS/ and genjutsu, the list is narrowed down to- fireball, taijutsu/kenjutsu, chidori and its variants, rigged shuriken, and by then sasuke had experience against opponents from all ranges. part one Sasuke doesn't set traps outside of his shuriken shenanigans. We have literally seen more experienced versions of sasuke watching smokescreens and waiting for his opponent to reappear. I can cite on-panel evidence of kiba creating traps on the battlfield and using smokescreens to do so. The smokecreen simply allows akamaru to place saliva, create akamaru decoys etc. Use sasuke feats for sasuke battles plz.

Also, like I said, most of kiba 's forest of death experience was done off screen. Did I say that kiba could beat naruto? no I didn't. Doesn't change the amount of distance he was shown to cover in a short amount of time in that fight. He isn't as fast as sasuke but he would be able to track him and react. You don't even have proof that sasuke is even faster than sakon. so this idea that Rescure arc kiba can't react to him has no basis.