Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26107879-20181004003653/@comment-34194151-20181204001730

@LegionZero

I have already shown you a manga panel with Kakazu activating Doton:Domu without any handsigns, despite the fact that later on in the same chapter, we get to see his handseals when it's necessary for the plot. Not seeing handsigns =/= them not being cast. It's true that skill can reduce the amount of handseals required for a technique but that doesn't necessarily mean that the technique requires zero hand signs. Sasuke could have easily weaved signs on the ground while killer bee was cutting through suigetsu's sword. Further proof? When have you ever seen deidara weaving hand seals for his bombs other than those two fingers he puts up to detonate them? never, except for one occasion : when we get to see his earth style seals when sasuke tracks them with the sharingan. Hand seals are only focused on when it's necessary for the plot is my point.

Lol, guy and kakashi were keeping up with those same V2 jinchuriki, so guy and kakashi are as fast as kcm naruto following the logic you used for obito. You have to be consistent. Naruto got tagged on 566 pg 16. he failed to run circles therefore that V2 jinchurki is the same speed as him by your logic. Naruto opted to block an attack, proving that he doesn't always use his yellow flash speed in battle.

Lol no, my point is that you keep going on about how the characters always use their top speed but it's been debunked. Naruto didn't use his top speed against juubito. His combination attack with sasuke took priority. The characters choose when to and when not to use their top speed depending on the circumstances.

Lol no, naruto slapped the bijuu dama away, there was no counter attack for the bijuu to make. They weren't close enough to a make a counter attack. The danger of the counter attack happens in close range/taijutsu range.

Lol no, guy chased obito down and naruto let guy fight obito by himself. Obito had time to run a circle around guy and warp him away going by your logic. That wasn't even the only time. He had another chance to do when he was warping guy's numchunks away. Guy stalemated obito in CQC, and obito wasn't shown to be faster than guy, therefore they are the same speed. Don't you see the problem with that logic?

The point is, I understand Obito is incredibly strong, but he is not yellow flash levels of speed. He is so strong because of combat speed and kamui, not running speed lol. Minato's actual combat speed isn't as fast as his running speed.

Lol no, Obito with his purported yellow flash speed would have been able to bitz kabuto before he finished his hand seal in the first place.

You still ignore context for the Minato vs obito. Minato was analyzing obito's fighting style, not just kamui. He needed to ensure he ended the fight in a single clash. What happens when his FTG level :2 rasengan misses because he fails to analyze obito properly? Then obito sees through it, and now the fight will drag out. You play your trump card when you are confident your opponent won't adapt.

Minato wouldn't use a shadow clone. One, chakra reserves, two, he has to fight the nine tails afterward, and he barely managed to seal half the nine tails chakra away with the death reaper seal. Minato also needed to expend an incredible amount of chakra summoning gamabunta, and then teleporting nine tails away. If he made a shadow clone vs obito he is risking his ability to subdue the ninetail.

Lol, what headcanon? Rock lee clearly states a beeline attack is easy to counter, and that running at an incredible speed makes it hard to see your opponent's counter attack without the "eye". Minato is no exception. He didn't use his top speed against obito because :1) tunnel vison, 2) obito would still be able to react and phase 3), there are nice handy dandy chains waiting for minato once he phases through obito, and 4) he is analyzing obito's fighting style carefully, he wanted to learn when obito becomes solid with certainty. Seeing something once is not enough to deduce that. you need to see a pattern. With Obito, the same exact thing happened twice, so minato was confident it would happen a third time once he baited obito into materializing. My point about obito vs Fuu and Torune is that when obito fights the yellow flash, you say with confidence obito is as fast as minato because they weren't running circles around each other, but now when it's Fuu and Torune they aren't as fast as obito and minato ? lol, it's clear that obito isn't as fast as minato, and even if he was even remotely as fast, the characters don't always use their top speed is the point.

The reason Ayy went V2 was clearly because he felt he needed that speed to evade amaterasu. He had the intel on amaterasu presumably from intel reports, so he figured sasuke would try to use it on him with the MS. Notice how Ayy didn't make a move until amaterasu was unleashed. After that he used his speed to close the distance, but clearly Sasuke could still react to him. V1 Ayy isn't as fast as sasuke just because they both charged at each other, it's been debunked. The characters don't always use their top speed lol. Base killer bee and even v1 killer bee is way faster than sasuke, so it's highly unlikely that sasuke is anywhere near ayy's top v1 speed. Sasuke only matched them in combat speed.