Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26107879-20181004003653/@comment-34194151-20181130005543

@LegionZero

1) Or it's a cinematic issue. The author doesn't always show the handsigns on panel, even for techniques that always require them.

2) It's hard to see with minato because the author switches the camera a lot, so a better example is kcm naruto. Chapter 565 pg 11, why is he complaining about being unable to hit his opponents, despite running directly toward roshi? We even see him running toward roshi and meeting him for close combat? With naruto's top speed shunshin that he used to blitz kisame, that shouldn't be an issue. Roshi woud have been rofl blitzed there if naruto was always using his top speed.The issue is tunnel vision plus being off balanced kakashi and guy were also "keeping up" with those jinchuriki even in v2 form.  Clearly we aren't gonna say they are all the same speed. Why isn't naruto "running circles" around them here? I highly doubt roshi is anywhere near as fast as full speed kcm naruto

Furthermore, again, the proof that characters don't always move at their top speed is right there in those chapters you cited. If kcm naruto can run faster than absolute V2 Ayy, then how is naruto being intercepted by V1 Ayy? Exactly, because you elevate your speed when the situation calls for it. He wasn't expecting Ayy to be fast enough to intercept him.

3) It's literally impossible for obito be as fast as minato in running speed. Again, whenever we actually see obito commenting on minato's actual speed, he is always impressed. Minato uses top speed to save kushina, uses top speed to save naruto, but using your top speed mid battle constantly is a different thing. Furthermore, I already stated why minato didn't "run circles" around him. Obito can phase in an instant, plus both characters are on the clock. If minato uses top speed he would suffer from tunnel vision and easily phase through and get tagged by obito's chains, and he is also physically off balanced. Minato would only use his top speed if he certain the opponent can't react to him. So like I said, the characters find a middle ground with speed, fast enough to pressure their opponent, but not so fast it causes tunnel vision, but it's situational. There is no evidence that obito himself was running at his top speed there either, unless we are gonna say they are exactly the same speed just because they covered the same distance lol.

Going by that same logic, base Might Guy is as fast as obito and minato because guy was able to chase down obito and engage him in CQC.

4) Further proof? Chapter 641 pg 10-11 I'm not buying for a second that kcm naruto and sasuke are the same speed and they are both running at their fastest just because they are running together in a serious fight against a god tier. Sasuke isn't even anywhere near as fast V2 ayy. If the characters are always concerned about running at their fastest, then there is literally no reason why naruto wouldn't just use his top body flicker and try to hit obito with his rasengan. that shows the characters are willing to run at a mid-ground speed because there are more variables/risks involved, aka physics. Tunnel vision+ the opponent reacting to their attack/ and being off balanced.

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Again, it's relative. Ayy wasn't moving so fast he face planted but there is considerable distance between himself and that wall before naruto moves. If he could stop immediately there is no reason why he is crashing into the wall. Ayy was confirmed to be running at his absolute fastest there and yet he still ended up hitting the wall. Again, physics still applies in naruto even though there are some fictional aspects. You didn't see how naruto came to a stop there, he still has movement lines on him. Killer bee/tsunade said he had "yellow flash" speed and then the manga panel just shows naruto still slowing down his speed.

As for raikiri, as I said the reason Minato banned the technique is because the way kakashi was using it, he was clearly running at his top speed and it caused tunnel vision for him, and the reason kakashi was doing it was because it's a piercing move plus it requires handsigns, unlike rasengan. Kakashi has speed and power with the piercing and running at his top speed but it isn't worth getting tagged by an unseen counterattack. In close range kakashi might as well use a kunai or rasengan, but he doesn't do so because of personality in my opinion. Now that he has lost his sharingan, there is 0 reason why he can't form it in his hand and use it in CQC just like he did to Deva pain. If it's true that raikiri boosts his running speed, then using it when your opponent is right in your face doesn't really offer any advantage, especially since kakashi boxed pain in by placing the earth wall right behind him, there was no space for pain to run to.

Also, The fact that ayy used V1 against obito against obito at the kage summit doesn't help obito's case. If ayy was using v2 there obito would have lost his head because he seem surprised by Ayy's v1 speed.

@Flatzone, It's situational. In some situations the characters take the risk but there is always circumstances. It's high risk high reward to use your top speed, and by the end of the manga many of the characters have advanced dojutsu or sensory abilities that would reduce the effect of tunnel vision. * gates guy can get away with using his top speed with night guy because that attack is something 99 percent of the cast can't react to once he starts running. Characters use their top speed mostly to evade extremely fast attacks, or to run to someone's rescue, or to retreat. Not even ayy is running at his top speed 24/7, unless you think v1 ayy is exactly as fast kage summit sasuke just because they both ran at each other, I highly doubt that, as that same v1 ayy when using his top speed could blitz a kisame clone's head off before it can finish a single hand seal.