Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-30323490-20180624145734/@comment-33959444-20180628210310

@Nashikeine Okay. So, imagine it like this. Once a Kamui portal is on a person, it is the equivalent of Kaguya already having her arm on the person she wants to drag through a Yomotsu Hirasaka.

Yeah, but the question remains whether if Naruto even can blitz out of it. Has that ever been done before? Because the only time that I remember a person has made it out of a Kamui portal is by using FTG. Another thing I completely forgot to mention in my last posts was that Kakashi can warp away smaller objects faster, so if he just aims at Naruto's head rather than his whole body, it should go even faster.

Yeah, and can't Kakashi also sync? it only requires both of his MS.

Kaguya got out of the ice quite a few pages before Sasuke used Amaterasu. And how does that make it fast?

Susano'o, regardless, is an MS Jutsu. What do all of these guys who have used Susano'o without the MS have in common? They've already used Susano'o before. We've also seen that Obito was able to use Kamui without the MS and Itachi was shown using Tsukuyomi just with the 3 tomoe Sharingan, so it seems like most MS abilities can be used without the MS activated once the user is used to using them. It was Kakashi's first time using Perfect susano'o there.

Both the databook and wiki state that Kakashi imbues the Raikiri with the phasing effect of Kamui. So yes, it does have Kamui. Kakashi used the left eye on the Raikiri and the right eye to turn intangible.

Whether if he used Kamui there or not is irrelevant. Unless if Naruto has an ability that can bypass Kamui or Kakashi can't use Kamui in this fight, he was still, with the help of Kamui, capable of reacting to Kaguya. Also, there was some physical part of it. Right after dodging that, Kakashi blitzed her with Kamui Raikiri.

Well, I guess, sure. But would you really say that a near dead Obito struggling to fend off Black Zetsu would be better at Kamui than Kakashi?

Are you sure? I know DMS Obito wasn't shown using Gudo Dama, but neither is SPSM Naruto shown using Gudo Dama in The Last or Boruto. Also, when Obito absorbed that power, we saw clearly that he absorbed the Bijuu powers and SPSM powers at different times. In chapter 666 by the time that Obito steals the Chakra from the Tailed Beasts, he already has the Gudo Dama, meaning he stole SPSM earlier. Obito transferred this onto Kakashi. So, Kakashi's Susano'o has Six Paths Chakra and SPSM Chakra, both.

Okay, Yomotsu Hirasaka does have some nice speed feats. But they aren't too much better than Kamui's.

3- It was a speed and power feats. Because power allowed him to extend the duration and speed shows that if Obito couldn't extend the duration of the Kamui portal, Sasuke's own speed wouldn't allow him to get close enough in range to use Ameno. Fine, it's an Obito feat, but you can't really expect me to find many feats for Kakashi if he only got, like, 2 mins of screen time...

Well, Kamui Raikiri is living proof he can attack while staying intangible at the same time. And that's a Kakashi feat, not Obito.

Most of the hax you mentioned for Naurto and Sasuke aren't better than Kamui imo, even if it's being used by Kakashi. The one thing Naruto has that might be more haxxed out is the Creation of all Things Technique, which Kishimoto unfortunately abandoned after it being used three times.