Board Thread:Wiki Discussions and Support/@comment-2140588-20150318152949/@comment-4271790-20150401044702

Seelentau wrote: Those novels are to the manga what the filler arcs are to the anime. You said this^ earlier. The novels are just as semi-canon as the filler arcs, the latter of which we integrate in character articles with the canon material. Seelentau wrote: The Jinraiden novel takes place in the expanded Narutoverse, or to be more specific in the one that Akira Higashiyama created for his novels. Jinraiden, Blood Prison and Kakashi Hiden all take place there. And that's exactly why I dislike seeing the novel plots in the main space of an article. If we add the Kakashi Hiden plot, we'd also have to add Jinraiden and Blood Prison, since they're equally semi-canon. Here's the thing about you disliking seeing the novel plots in the main space: Like you said, the novels are semi-canon just like the filler arcs are "filler-canon" or so. Like I said, the novels are semi-canon just like the fillers are. If we have to remove one semi-canon plot (the novels), wouldn't we have to remove the other semi-canon plots featured in the anime as well? And yet, we integrate the anime fillers in the mainspace with paragraphs with the phrase "In the anime" or so. We're not considering them to be fully canon at all. Seelentau wrote: However, Jinraiden is almost a fanfic and Blood Prison is based on a movie. If we add those, what speaks against adding the other movie novels? And in the end, we suddenly have everything in the main body of the article. My question to you is the same question Snapper had to me: Does Jinraiden appear to conflict with anything? Regarding Blood Prison: The difference between Blood Prison and other movies, from what I know, is that FF-Suzaku pointed out that while other novelizations of movies are the exact same as the movie, Blood Prison is not, and is different to seemingly fit the semi-canon timeline Kakashi Hiden presents. So I'm not certain that means we'd have to add the other movie novels to the main body of the article when they're the same. It's probably best not to bother, if in fact they are the exact same. Seelentau wrote: Also, what do we do with the canonicity of the mini series? Is it written by Kishimoto? If yes, I think it should be completely canon, just like part II is. According to FF-Suzaku's organization of things, it's after chapter 700 and before the Boruto movie. Not sure if it is written by Kishi, but if it's not, it's just as semi-canon as the novels and the filler arcs we've integrated in articles thus far.

Nobody is saying that the novels are canon. Just because we put them in the main body of the article does not mean the novels are fully canon, given how we integrate anime-only arcs in the main body as well. And I'm sure many people would hate us ignoring the timeline presented to us and putting all novels, including Hiden, in the non-canon section of the article like you suggested. They gave us the timeline, and we act accordingly. We have to note everything Naruto-related, no? It's not our job to ignore that.

And not to try and cause controversy again, but we didn't ignore an erroneous databook (which I'm sure Kishi didn't write all by himself), so we should ignore the timeline? Because that is basically what we are doing if we put all novels in a separate section like you said.

And it is quite strange how you kudos a post claiming we should order in Hiden novels chronologically, then show dislike towards that action being performed. But hey, new knowledge tends to change minds, don't it? (And to point out, I'm not trying to show animosity, that was all just my observation)