Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26104757-20170619053257/@comment-27924662-20170706073220

Mr. Grave wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 I'll counter your points: 1) Pretty sure the example you provided is non-canon. Even so, I have no idea what Hidan's pain resistance has anything to do with..anything. Doesn't matter if he's resistant to pain or not - what matters is we've seen Hidan slip up a number of times. If it wasn't for Kakuzu covering his ass, he would have been dead long ago. He fell for Shikamaru's many tricks (who is genius level, yes, but in no way more experienced than Tsunade and Chiyo) and was fooled by Kakashi numerous times. We haven't seen any speed feats of him which a Kage like Tsunade can't overcome and aside from the suicide attacks, there really isn't that much of a good co-operation between him and Kakuzu. If anything, they're always squabbling and quite reluctant to help one another. I don't know but I am pretty sure That Shikamaru is on whole other level than tsunade or Chiyo Especially in terms of intelligence contrary to your claims. Tsunade doesn't work by outwitting the opponent unlike kakashi or Shikamaru. Her's Combative stance is direct one. Besides Kakashi was the one who appreciated about their team work during the fight if you are forgetting. Mr. Grave wrote: 2)I mean, there's no telling that Tsunade can't rip him apart with her superhuman strength. After all, Jiraiya, a sannin, did say that taking Tsunade's punch documented his first brush with death and we've seen her lift Gamabunta's sword. But if we assume that can't be done, then there's always Chiyo. Her Father and Mother puppets have a lot of sharp tools hidden within them while one of her Chikamatsu Collection puppets has a chakra blade similar to Asuma's pair installed in it. She could dice him quite easily. HE was caught. And I am pretty sure that he didn't resist much or tried to counter Tsunade. Besides you are underestimating Asuma's tech a lot considering Blade wasn't as important as the wind release imbued in it whose penetrating power is said to be higher than that of even Lightning style. Mr. Grave wrote: 3)Sure, but even if Hidan does extract her blood, he still has to draw the pentagram thingie, an opportunity which Tsunade could either use to activate her healing techs or just snap him like a twig. She could also use Body Pathway Derangement to immobilize him - he's not as cerebral as Kabuto, so it would probably take him a longer time to adapt itself to it. Plus, Tsunade does have some rather good speed feats. She could fight alongside Ay in his lightning cloak in the Fourth War. I think she could just as easily dodge most of Hidan's attacks. It doesn't. simply because She has to get past kakuzu and his masks. Plus She has to reach him before he completes drawing pentagram design. Besides Asuma was lot faster but sill he couldn't dodge the fatal one. Besides Hidan has far greater stamina he would eventually overwhelm her. Mr. Grave wrote: 4)Look man, I'm not saying that Kakuzu's masks can't cause damage, but they'll probably injure Chiyo more than Tsunade. Her Creation Rebirth technique (along with it's more improved variants) is a technique that even goddamn Orochimaru, the biggest fan of immortality, is jealous of. So if Orochimaru's jealous of it but you say that Kabuto's healing is more advanced, then why the hell didn't Orochimaru harvest Kabuto's healing? And wow, a Part I Naruto rasengan hardly compares to a Part II HaxMadara susanoo blade - yet Tsunade tanked that blade like she'd just gotten a papercut and threw it back at Madara. Also, pretty sure she summoned Katsuyu while bisected though I'm not sure if this is canon or anime-only. No But even Tsunade stopped in tracks when she saw naruto attempting Rasengan when she fought Naruto. That should tell you that rasengan would do immense damage and on top of that even tsunade was amazed by Kabuto regeneration. Susanoo Blade did same damage as any sword at best would have done, Besides that sword wasn't even PS sword. So I don't see the hype you all are making.

Mr. Grave wrote: Kakuzu's long range attacks could damage Chiyo, but her Mother and Father set had chakra shields which could probably help with surviving that attack. Chiyo herself also had modified her hand with a similar chakra shield. Granted, she would lose some of her puppets (never said this fight would be an easy win), but so long as she remained in the game long enough to keep the duo occupied, their victory would be inevitable. I gave example of only two of them (Fire + Wind), Their are several other combo remaining and on top of that three other masks. Even If She is left with Mother +Father puppet can they resist the lightning mask? I mean Lightning masks attack is as strong as raikiri? Still think puppets would survive long enough? I don't think so.Besides it's heavily hinted that Chiyo has antagonistical rivalry with Tsuande, Do you still think they would have that perfect team work. If the fight is on equal terms(Equivalent intel and so on) Definitely immortal duos Should come out on top.