Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-44455926-20191119200613/@comment-44455926-20191122163819

The 4th Raikage was said in the datebooks to be „almost as fast as the speed of light“ when he uses lariat. So he can move at least at Sub Relativistic speeds" Which is complete bs. The fact that Naruto faced a stronger Pain is just *wrong*. It's stated that the closer Nagato is to the paths, the stronger they are, (Nagato was alot closer to Jiraiya in their fight). they're also stronger when he focuses on less of them.

Again, Naruto surprised and one shoted the Asura path (Which even Choji did at one point). Then he fought 5 paths, the strongest one of them still recovering from the massive shinra tensei, he was already in sage mode, had 3 big summons.

Even with a weaker sage mode, it's as you said basically unlimited. He wouldn't be like "Ah no i'm running out of sage mode i need my clones".

With ma and pa, Jiraiya could literally just stalemate with Naruto till he runs out of sage chakra. If Naruto messes up both rasenshuriken it's gg for him. It depends on Jiraiya and all of his jutsu to avoid it.

I never said Jiraiya is a better sage, he definitely isn't but his fight against Pain is really downplayed. Even in sage mode, with no intel, Naruto in Jiraiyas situation would waste his first Rasenshuriken on the fat Pain, the second might hit, taking out the 3, then it's game over for Naruto when Asura shows up, he couldn't even have a chance to escape like Jiraiya did. I agree with tight fight, but it can go either way