Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-26636534-20160114153610

LoneNinja wrote: Jiraiya needs to be able to get into Sage mode in order to use Sage Mode. And it does take a very long period of time at least 30 minutes. Jiraiya was running around for what seemed like hours in the fight with Pein before summoning the Toad Sages. But I gave him the benefit of the doubt and went based off the Anime's time to give jiraiya a fighting chance. Though no time was directly given its safe to assume that after fighting various summoning a great deal of time passed. Thus proving it requires a long period of time and if you state otherwise provide a fact that backs up your claim. Saying "There's no time given so it could have been" it was also not stated that Choji was actually part werewolf but that doesn't sound right.

@LoneNinja

1) Jiraiya can summon more than three toads (he can actually summon parts of toads as well).

2) The sound genjutsu that was used on Sasuke and Itachi happened after Kabuto used the white snake rage technique, after it had dispersed so no, it can't be said that Itachi was blinded while the sound genjutsu was cast. Also, Itachi's movements were apparently frozen, but he could still turn his head and look at Sasuke, more importantly he could still use his MS as he used Tsukuyomi on Sasuke, while Sasuke used his genjutsu on him for them both to break out of the genjutsu. So Itachi could use his MS, but still could not break out of the sound genjutsu by himself(let alone reflect it).

3) Summoning the two sage toads takes time. Again, putting "it must take at least 30 mins" is not acceptable. Also when did Choji turn into a part werewolf? Please provide some evidence or reference to what you are saying or some might think you are making things up.

4) One of the writings on the Uchiha stone tablet says that the MS can control Kurama, not it can control sage toads. In any case using regular genjutsu on the toads is not quite useful as according to Chiyo, Itachi would be preoccupied by the genjutsu while the others attack Itachi. Sealing the black flames is one option, yes it is since Jiraiya carries around sealing scrolls, but there are other options available.(such as countering it)

5) Jiraiya does know about most of Itachi's abilities, fact. While Itachi will probably know about Jiraiya(because he is famous, duh), but about most of his abilities and it's effects, I don't think so. On the point of Itachi working with Orochimaru, Orochimaru partnered with Sasori before and shortly after Itachi joined the Akatsuki, Orochimaru attempted to take Itachi's body and was genjutsu'ed and left. So no, It's highly unlikely if Itachi and Orochimaru exchanged notes on Jiraiya.

Jiraiya was able to distract pein long enough to go into SM, so there is a precedent. You also keep on saying that Jiraiya needs SM to win, well Itachi needs MS to win and no, saying "Itachi doesn't need any time to win" is ridiculous and going into the fanboy area. Even if Itachi uses his MS it still does not mean he would win.