Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26958911-20151010214426/@comment-26636534-20151015151252

Prodigy hero wrote: I see sage mode being mentioned a lot as if the activation was instant. To enter Sage Mode, you need to remain perfectly still (and it lasts only 5 minutes)something he can ill afford to do depending on how effective his diversions would prove to be for him to achieve it.

He can also be forced to make eye contact, not looking at his eyes he would not be able to anticipate ms and it would put him at great risk of being caught off guard by amaterasu.

Yes he was referring to "normal" genjutsu since Tsukyomi is short range. Downplaying any genjutsu just because it is not Tsukyomi is also not reasonable. All of a sudden genjutsu is useless against him now? More proficient users with knowledge have fallen for genjutsu, Orochimaru had his hand cut before even having the chance to dispel it. Naruto too(not that he's better) but despite his previous encounter with Itachi's clone, Itachi even commented that he had learned a bit how to fight the Sharingan and there were several panels clearly showing that he was indeed avoiding eye contact and yet he was still caught.I'm referring to when they had their conversation about Sasuke in the forest

Even IF we assume that he would escape it, what would prevent him from being caught in another one? Uchiha Sasuke someone better than him in genjutsu has fallen for  genjutsu, Itachi stopped using genjutsu altogether because Sasuke escaped his strongest genjutsu Tsukyomi something Jiraiya could never do. Let us also not insinuate that sharingan is his only way.

Jiraiya's only counters are Ma and Pa is what is being suggested, nothing also stops them being disabled either since it is possible to control multiple targets. Kakashi for instance managed to disable two targets simultaneously with sharingan genjutsu.

My main point is not whether he can break anything besides Tsukyomi (That is debatable but I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt, we can at least say for sure Tsukyomi he definitely can't Kakashi made it clear) the problem is he can be killed before he attempts to, so I guess whether he cancels or not doesn't matter. I won't say Jiraiya will lose easily but if he gets caught in an illusion he certainly will. I also don't see him being able to keep up with with diminished visual lock on someone faster than him. Sasuke and Itachi take this

If he starts in sage mode + Ma and Pa however the odds would even out. Let us also avoid assuming that the battle would revolve around both users using their strongest jutsus from the get go. Before Sasuke broke out of the Tsukyomi, Tsukyomi was apparently inescapable, as Black Zetsu states in so many words, a jutsu is a shinobi's weapon and when utilized by one who is skilled enough, many things become possible. My point is that things are not always written in stone and can be disregarded, which is the case with many jutsu not just genjutsu. So no one can say that Jiraiya could never break out of the Tsukyomi.

Since he has been gathering intelligence on the Akatsuki for years and knows for a fact that Itachi is one of their members, I'm sure that he knows how to fight the sharigan and yes even the Mangekyo. For sharingan genjutsu Bee/Gyuki himself stated that all you need is a partner to disrupt your chakra and since partners can help each other out, so this won't be a problem.

As for the actual battle, I see Jiraiya summoning toads and using his jutsu to control the battle field(Swamp technique etc), while Itachi would counter with his speed, shuriken jutsu and his fire jutsu. They would then both be forced to use their strongest jutsu, but as stated before, this fight would just come down to stamina. The biggest factor is that in Part 1 Itachi himself said that he would most likely lose to Jiraiya and at best kill each other, even with reinforcements. So Jiraiya wins, but not by much.