Talk:Nagato

Earth Style Release:earth style wall and nagato page still need editing
Earth Style Release was used by Kakashi on Nagato.

So the first thing that needs to be done is on nagato's page, completely erase the jutsu.

Then, on the earth style release page, delete him from the users list.

I am still learning how to do this but..

This technique was used by kakashi on nagato, none of nagato's 6th paths (esp one he was battling) have the ability to use this technique, if i need to back this up with manga chapters i will soon/.
 * It was used in a flashback in episode 131.--Deva 27 (talk) 04:25, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Nagato never used the technique in a flashback episode, or in the manga

KAKASHI used it in the manga, and never in a flashback so it needs to be taken out of nagato's page because it was used by kakashi. and nagato needs to be taken out of the user of the jutsu's page

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/420/08/
 * Shippuden episode 131 when Jiraiya was thinking over how Nagato could use all the elements.--Deva 27 (talk) 05:00, July 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I can buy that it's Earth Style Wall. I'm having more difficulty believing the other jutsu are Dragon Fire Technique and Violent Water Wave. ~SnapperTo 05:14, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

when did he use violent waterwave??


 * he used violent water wave in the flashback chapter in the manga. I still got get that he used earth style wall ever. even in the anime. that was KAKASHI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Infamous Ryan


 * When are you going to learn we're not talking about his fight with Kakashi? In the anime, when Jiraiya remembers that Nagato could use all elements, Nagato, as a child, is shown using four different elemental jutsu against a black background, the one he wasn't shown using during this sequence was Lightning Release. That's when he used it. I only wish I could remember in which episode exactly. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:34, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * but is that nt a little bit taken to easy to say that was violant waterwave, because there hant been sais that name of the jutsu, it was just a water technique, or did say someone in the anime this was violent waterwave?Ernie1992 (talk) 12:25, July 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you tell us one more time that Kakashi used the jutsu, I'm going to hit you with something. ~SnapperTo 22:04, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Well then both Kakashi and Nagato used the Jutsu.. I dont keep up with the anime as much. But i know for a -fact- as stated http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/420/08/ kakashi is the one using the earth style wall(in the manga) I have yet to see the "flashbacks" of the anime where Jiraiya is watching Nagato perform these techniques.. ~ Infamous ps. im going to watch episode 131 as you stated and see if what youre saying is correct. Im only here to help.. not argue or start trouble ^_^

To Ernie : http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090924190554/naruto/images/thumb/e/e0/Violent_Water_Wave.PNG/300px-Violent_Water_Wave.PNG <- Violent Water Wave was used by Yahiko, not Nagato. Nagato used a water release, i think. hm. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Yahiko

InfamousRyan (talk) 20:38, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

one more thing. i watched episode 131 like you told me to. and it contains nothing of a flashback of Nagato using the earth-style wall jutsu.

This jutsu is strictly Kakashi's.http://www.crunchyroll.com/media-534456/naruto-shippuden-131/ InfamousRyan (talk) 20:43, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Then you didn't watch properly. In that same link, at crunchyroll, the scene begins at 13:09, Nagato first uses a Fire Release, then Earth Style Wall (exactly the same way Hiruzen used it), and then a Water Release. Nagato used it. Fact. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:26, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

you are correct. but it does not state exactly what jutsu he is using it only states that he could use all elements of ninjutsu with a demonstration ps Hiruzen used "Mud Style" wall. barfed out of his mouth, looked exactly like mud that grew to a wall. The technique Nagato used as of this time, the Earth one we saw, has no name although we could simply call it earth release: style wall It could be something completely different. InfamousRyan (talk) 12:23, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

It has the exact same effect of Hiruzen's technique, and Hiruzen named it. The most logical explanation is that it's the same technique, ergo it's listed as that technique, plain and simple. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:44, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

not to forget, nagato never uses violent waterwaveErnie1992 (talk) 22:00, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Same flashback. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:12, July 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * i watch this and this is never violent waterwave, it looks more like kisames Water Release: Exploding Water Colliding Wave

generelly you cant specify the names of the jutsus; just because they look like jutsus in the manga or anime are they far from them away, sorry but thats how it is, no name of the jutsu in the anime, no jutsu name on this site, its my opinionErnie1992 (talk) 22:35, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just looks like he is a fountain.. not really any pressure behind it like in the "violent" water wave. The water then moves up like a wave.S im A nt 22:46, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

^hey the topic isnt over yet^^Ernie1992 (talk) 19:21, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Flight
for the record. his power is to push things away and pull things away. he could easily use it to float up for a lil bit of time >.> just saying. does ANYONE find it noteworthy to mention in his abilities that this guy is capable of FLIGHT??--暗闇の門番 - "Gatekeeper of Darkness"'' (言うことを何かを得た - "You got something to say?") 08:24, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * When did he fly? --ShounenSuki (talk 08:33, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * floating if you wanna call it. Right before he shinra tensei'd the heck outta Konoha. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/429/06-07/ --暗闇の門番 - "Gatekeeper of Darkness"'' (言うことを何かを得た - "You got something to say?") 08:44, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would call that an amazingly high jump. --ShounenSuki (talk 08:53, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * ....u call that a jump? he stayed afloat for a few pages and even talked. He should have been falling to the ground by then. That was no jump.--暗闇の門番 - "Gatekeeper of Darkness"'' (言うことを何かを得た - "You got something to say?") 08:57, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Dramatic license, the effect of showing multiple things happening simultaneously, and the fact that if you jump high enough, you do actually stop for a moment at the highest point, like a pendulum does when it swings. --ShounenSuki (talk 09:05, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * fine TT.TT --暗闇の門番 - "Gatekeeper of Darkness"'' (言うことを何かを得た - "You got something to say?") 09:12, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Darknesslover might actually have a point. In the anime, the Deva Path was shown rising and all, but in no way that was a jump. He rose steadily and slowly. And it certainly wasn't a dramatic effect, because he was show rising while other people moved regularly, in the same frame. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:30, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Does not happen in the manga, and even then he could have just been slowing down as he reached his peak. I find it more interesting that he survived the fall. And his new Animal Path when he first invaded. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 00:17, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Like I said, it's not like he went up and slowed down before he peaked, he went up all the way practically with the same speed, which was slow. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:19, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Manga he seemed to go pretty fast. Cloak seems to indicate starting to go down. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 00:26, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Manga can portray flow and speed like animation does. Also, how many times have I asked you not to use double brackets when doing that? It's unneeded, and it looks ugly when rendered. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:02, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, force of habit. But what kind of speed are you referring to? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 04:51, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Does anyone think that he could have just manipulated gravity to stay in the air a bit longer? I mean, it is his trademark ability.--Bathman (talk) 05:20, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Range though? Thomas Finlayson (talk) 17:15, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Rinnegan
Is Nagato's eyes always Rinnegan or are can he make them normal too? Desai1234 (talk) 06:29, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Unknown, I think he was always shown to have it on after the first awakening so he at least has the option of not turning it off ever. ZeroSD (talk) 11:21, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that he kept his eyes covered when young to hide his eyes (discrimation, fear, etc. like in Land of Mists). So I would say he was born with them. Moreover, even when dying they were like that, but with Uchiha when chakra gets to low the Sharingan goes out. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 20:33, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

The 5 Second Gap
We know that there is a 5 second gap between Nagato's abilities, but the info about it isn't enough, we all have many questions about it.

Can anyone give full information about this, it's really confusing.

There is not a 5 second gap between Nagato abilities,there is in fact a 5 seconds gap in his jutsu when he use deva path ,but as we see close the path is to the original ,more chakre can recive,so we can suspect that it can take little time to recover if it is closer,and the original is not very tired.But in fat the only time when we saw Pein using thish tehnique is when he fight with hanzo and yahiko died.

Trivia?
Can it be noted, perhaps in the Trivia section, that both Sasuke and Nagato awakened their dojutsu right after their parent's deaths?Sparxs77 (talk) 22:34, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * The way that he had his eyes covered with his hair makes me think that he had the eyes already (unusual so hide them for a list of reasons ranging from self-preservation to vanity). He did not use his powers offensively until his parents died, but he may have already had access to the seeing chakra function of them. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 01:56, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * His eyes only remained active after he protected Yahiko, killing the Iwagakure chūnin. Before that, it was only a short activation. Nagato never had his eyes hidden when the Rinnegan was active, making it rather obvious that when his hair is in front of it, it's not active. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:45, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Nagato's Dog Summon
I don't know if anyone recalls, but Nagato used to have a dog named Chibi. It's already known that Nagato used Yahiko as his Deva Path, but is it possible that Nagato did something similar with his dead dog?

I mean, that dog summon of his was unnaturally powerful, it seemed as if Nagato put a lot of effort into making sure it couldn't be killed.

Seeing as he had a sentimental attachment to the Deva Path because it was Yahiko, and thus made it his most powerful of the Six Paths, is it possible Chibi received the same treatment in the case of his dog summon?

Nagato handicap
We never saw nagato fighting at his full power in person ,only a child who had a conflict with hanzo,and after that we saw him in that machine and using the 6 paths. Is it possible that the reason for using the 6 paths is that when he fought hanzo he got his legs damaged by hanzo tehnique and then he used gedo mazo that let him with chakra chakra rods embedded in him forever,and that made him unable to use them in a big proportion,so he found out,or he already knew to use dead bodyes as tools to make his dreams come true.Remember that when kabuto bring him back he no longer has those chakra rods embedded in him and now we can see him fighting at his full power.

I dont think so. He is handicap for using the sealing jutsu on the demons. I remember konan saying that jutsu similar to Shinra Tensei cut his life force. Dj q-pid (talk) 23:45, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Even though he was resurrected without the chakra rods, he wont be able to fight at full power. As we saw he had to be carried when they all set off into their divisions Kabuto sent them towards. So if he can't walk, he wont be fighting full power. SusanooUnleashed (talk) 08:37, April 2, 2011 (UTC)

Jutsu Editing
Under the infobox, shouldn't Summoning: Demonic Statue of the Outer Path have it's (Manga Only) tag removed, since it has been shown in the anime? Plus, how CAN you edit that?Questionaredude (talk) 02:21, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * It will update automatically.--Deva 27 (talk) 02:23, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Sannin
I think its not right to say they run into the Sannin because they didn't meet them by accident. It should say they persue the Sannin so they would teach them ninjutsu.Giotis (talk) 19:08, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's only in the anime. ~SnapperTo 00:36, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Well, in that respect, they still wanted to find ninja to teach them ninjutsu in the manga, didn't they? They just didn't have a specific target, just someone strong.--Hawkeye2701 (talk) 12:50, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Uzumaki Clan???
The chapter is out and Madara have revealed that he was part of the Uzumaki Clan. Do we only add the clan to the infobox or could we possibly also change his name. Or do we do nothing like we did with Tsunade? --Gojita (talk) 19:36, September 15, 2010 (UTC)Gojita


 * Although it did gave me a WTF reaction when i saw it, i think it's a bit to vague and skeptical. Nytemyre (talk) 19:38, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * ...according to Madara in the chapter that was just released, is Uzumaki Nagato (Nagato Uzumaki for you English loving peoples). Edit/redirect the page accordingly, imo. Jonnieboi05 (talk) 19:39, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nagato may be a descendant of the clan, but we don't not know what his full name is.--Deva 27 (talk) 19:44, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thought as much. So should we just add the clan to the infobox, or is that also to speculative? --Gojita (talk) 19:49, September 15, 2010 (UTC)Gojita


 * I think adding the clan to the infobox would be fine, but I agree with Deva27 in that we shouldn't make his title page name Uzumaki Nagato. Because think of Tsunade, we aren't sure that her surname is Senju, but we know she's a descendant of the Senju Clan. Abells92 (talk) 20:19, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

He was mentioned as an actual member of the Uzumaki clan. Naruto is more or less simply a descendant, but still considered "Naruto Uzumaki". Yes, I know it was done to hide his relation to Minato, but still. From what I can see, all members of a clan (exceptions being Root members and Tsunade) have the last name of their clan. So, I think the page should be moved to "Nagato Uzumaki".--Kagi mizu -Seeya 'round 20:22, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Abells92. Excuse my overediting. I'm new here and not to use on talking on forums. I like pie. FullMetalXY (talk) 20:57, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

There is no indication he was ever called "Uzumaki Nagato", for all we know, the only name he ever got was Nagato, which is how the page should remain. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:42, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

I'm a little curious how he and Naruto are related. Like is he Naruto's uncle (Kushina's brother maybe) or a cousin or something. Just conjecture, nothing to add to the main page. CorwinDruzil (talk) 05:48, September 16, 2010 (UTC)CorwinDruzil

So since Nagato was a descensent of the clan, should it be too crazy to assume that there might be other uzumakis out there besides Naruto and Nagato. And assuming if Nagato knew he was a descendent of the uzumaki clan, shouldn't he have brought up to Naruto that they were relatives? And the third path, I don't get where Madara is going with this. Could it be assumed that all 6 paths will be from prominent clans? This is getting quite interesting!


 * Since the Uzumaki Clan are related to the Senjus, at least according Kushina, I would say the six paths are clans descending from the sons of the Sage of The Six Paths. Senju, Uchiha and Uzumaki may be three of the six paths. 201.51.71.164 (talk) 17:24, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

should it be noted that nagatos mother is part of/descendant the uzumaki clan? (as comapred to teh father) she has the same hair colour, which is safe to say is a "genetic link" to the clan? SharinganMike (talk) 19:10, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was not stated that every member of the clan had red hair. Both of his parents could be members.--Deva 27 (talk) 19:13, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

i know not every member has it but his mother does have the red hair. which is the same as nagato, of which madara stated his iconic to teh clan SharinganMike (talk) 19:35, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

I went ahead and added Uzuamki in some places where most obvious, but there are many places i didn't know how to edit, or if i could i couldn't do it correctly. I also added trivia regarding it. If somone more knowledgable than me in wikipedia-editing can add Uzuamki where needed, that would be awsome. (Black Lister (talk) 14:29, September 23, 2010 (UTC))

He's already mentioned as a member of that clan through the article and in the infobox. His name, however, is not to be changed, because Nagato himself has never been known, nor has went by the name "Uzumaki Nagato". Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:19, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Kushina did said the Uzumaki Clan are scaatered because their village was deystroyed. --Cococrash11 (talk) 00:20, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

My opinion on the matter of Nagato and the Uzumaki clan is that Nagato didn't know about his ancestry. The proof can be seen in that Nagato didn't mention this in his battle with Naruto, the subject would of been a point of discussion if the information was known to either party. The reason Nagato wouldn't know his own ancestry would be that his Uzumaki side of the family probably used an alias to avoid detection because they (Uzumaki/Uzushiogakure) were feared for their Fūinjutsu which was the reason said village was destroyed which probably made them hide in the first place. This reason would make the idea of Nagato having a different name more likely. Also, I have a hard time using Madara as a source in general because he could be lying, of course when the statement of Nagato being a descendant of the Uzumaki clan was stated he was alone which makes lying pointless. I agree with the people that Nagato should only be listed as a Uzumaki descendant in the info bar since the last name is likely a fake or different family name, like a Naruto but in reverse. 76.199.161.149 (talk) 04:57, October 31, 2010 (UTC) Andrew

Path
From Special:ProblemReports/37080:

Nagato is "Thrid Sage of the Six Path", not "Thrid of the Six Path"

Proof http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/81065970/17

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In case it isn't obvious: mangastream added "sage" to their translation. Why? ~SnapperTo 17:38, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

No idea. I wish raws are released soon so ShounenSuki can go through it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:39, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Original, accurate version, proof of being 3rd of 6 Paths (no mention of Sage): http://www.mangareader.net/93-57473-16/naruto/chapter-510.html --Capt Obvious (talk) 05:48, September 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for staying true to your screen name while at the same time being completely unhelpful. ~SnapperTo 08:38, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

So, ShounenSuki has cleared this up:. Nagato is not the third sage. However, inserting "sage" seems to clarify what Madara means, as Nagato is not the third of the Six Paths either. "Of the" suggests there are a fourth, fifth, and sixth too. Something's gotta give. ~SnapperTo 19:29, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Which is exactly what I was pointing out, but apparently only YOU have the right to say it. Proof that you're a hypocrite and a waste of space. Capt Obvious (talk) 20:49, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * And thank YOU for being a true to your name by snapping needlessly and being useless at the same time. I was merely pointing to the original Mangastream translation, which was more accurate, and some may have missed it. You're too stupid to understand that, I get it. Capt Obvious (talk) 20:49, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

If nagato is third rikudo, and let's say sage is first, madara maybe the second, who are than the fourth the fifth and the sixth paths. Maybe naruto, sasuke and someone else? YamatoTakeru (talk) 20:06, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * You're making assumptions.--Cerez365™☺ 20:18, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Discontinuity
When Jirayia saw Nagato for the first time in years, Nagato told him that he only had a vague, unimportant recollection of Yahiko. Later, it was shown consistently that Nagato and Konan had a very close relationship with Yahiko, even after his death. Brainwasher5 (talk) 12:52, September 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * or the far more likely route that he was simply lying to Jirayia? 86.24.249.15 (talk) 16:10, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

New nickname: "Third Rikudou"
Shouldn't we add, among the nicknames of Nagato, also "Third Rikudou" (or "Third sage of six paths")?--JK88 (talk) 16:18, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Nagato's voice actor?
I just noticed Vic Mignogna was listed as Nagato's voice actor and wanted to see a source to confirm this. I understand the game has been released in several countries in English but would like to confirm from somebody here that the game uses him as the voice of Nagato before its posted. Otherwise, it could be misleading people like when Richard Epcar was listed as the voice of Madara.

Genjutsu
When Nagato paralyzes Naruto with his Chakra Disruption Blades, he use a Rinnegan's genjutsu to suppress the Naruto's desire to fight?--Leodix - My Talk - Contributions 19:17, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Those blades are used simply to disrupt the chakra flow of the opponent. When that happens, they can't mold chakra properly, impairing their fighting ability. Tsunade did the same to Jiraiya in Part I when she poisoned him. This is the same thing, through a different method. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:21, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Nagato has only one Rinnegan eye
i think nagato has only one Rinnegan eye because u always see its left eye not once its right and Madara Uchiha who took its eye has only de left eye Rinnegan --Marche (talk) 17:27, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

We've seen him with two Rinnegan eyes, check the first time he activated it, just after his parents were killed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:37, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

I know its boring but I found one mistake kishimoto sempai made about nagato.Kabuto told Madara that for impure world he needed DNA and that means he need to dig peoples graves and took it from their corpses. But if nobody knew where nagato body was buried until madara forced konan how he made nagato resurect from dead.I mean when kabuto aproached to madara and they allmost fighted nobody even madara knew about where nagato was buried.We only saw that in chapter where konan and madara fought.So how did kabuto took DNA from nagato, if konan keept his body safe.Kabuto said that he can't bring jiraiya back because his body is on botom of sea, and nagato's grave is buried on botom of sea.Maybe he took some DNA from those pearcings in his back(I don't know is it peercing or some kind of chackra transmiter)YamatoTakeru (talk) 12:37, January 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Kabuto could have obtained the chakra from somewhere else. The machine Nagato used to move around, the places he stayed in Amegakure... You'd be amazed how easy it is to find DNA of people. —ShounenSuki (talk 13:58, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I said I tought he used DNA from his peercing from his back wich was on machine.But if he could get Nagato's DNA easy than he could get Jiraya's also easy.But if he bring Jiraiya back and that is a big if than is there a problem of toad summoning because naruto also can summon toads but who will control them.I think Kishimoto always kill all the top strong ninja like jiraya hirunzen asuma chiyo.Only reason he didn't let kakashi tsunade shizune choza hinata and all another interesting people killed is because he can not produce material for work or it is hard for audience to acept new main caracter(I really think they are interesting not making irony or something like that) so from my point of view kishimoto is busy but doesn't have material or something like that.I have another opinions too.YamatoTakeru (talk) 21:35, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Dark pictures
Does anyone mind me lightening up pictures of nagato?--RexGodwin (talk) 19:36, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope I've always said they were a bit too dark. As long as they look decent it should be fine--Cerez365 (talk) 19:46, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Most Nagato images look dark because he's mostly shown indoors. Plus, I've seen some of your revisions, you brightened them too much. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:14, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Debut
RexGodwin's edit made me wonder, should we keep Nagato's debut as when he saw him as a child, in flashbacks, or his in-the-flesh first appearance in the Invasion of Pain arc? What's our standing in this? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:25, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

the real Nagato debuted when we saw his body when Deva used Shinra Tensei. and Nagato only appeared in NUN2 in a cutscene. id say Nagato is different rnough from "Pain" to warrant his own sepeate debut.--RexGodwin (talk) 20:45, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

although young Nagato debuted earlier, i dont think we count flashbacks of characters who actually appear in the series later do we?

Do we even have another character in this situation? We do use the first flashback appearance to the debut of a character when said character was only mentioned before. Shisui was mentioned way back in Part I, but only when Ao mentions him in the Kage Summit we see how he actually looked like. I'm not sure how Yagura counts, because he was both mentioned and seen like Shisui, but we added his first appearance as a flashback in which he was controlled by Madara. We didn't change his debut to when he appeared as a resurrected member of Kabuto's army. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:55, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

but we were also unsure as of if pain was really Nagato until we saw his body. (I had actually thought Yahiko killed Nagato and stole his eyes... stupid theory i know..) so its not exactly an easy situation. :P--RexGodwin (talk) 21:00, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

so lets narrow this down:
 * "Pain"/Deva first debuted at the end of part I in ch.238 the first Akatsuki meeting
 * His true appearance was in chapter 363 when Madara revealed himself in Ame
 * Yahiko and kid Nagato was first debuted in ch. 373 in a flashback
 * Real emaciated Nagato debuted in ch.438 when Deva moved closer to Nagato to use SHinra Tensei

is that about right? :P--RexGodwin (talk) 21:05, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Seems about right, though you still have to add the chapter Deva Path actually appeared with Madara in Amegakure. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:12, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * We really need a good guideline to what débuts we use... —ShounenSuki (talk 21:28, December 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think Nagato will be the only character to give us this much trouble. Everything works out perfectly for most other characters, and for the ones that don't, the situation is dealt with quickly enough. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:36, December 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, if we're going on a case-by-case basis, I'd say we should use the first time Nagato was shown, in chapter 372 if my memory is not failing me. It was from that point on that Nagato started playing an important role in the manga. —ShounenSuki (talk 21:42, December 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Technically, Nagato appeared the first time Pain did. Just because we didn't see his body doesn't mean he wasn't introduced. The first time the Akatsuki leader was shown is really when Nagato was introduced, if he was shown in his real body or not.
 * The problem however, is that people like to ignore this for whatever reason seems fit to them and we have issues like this.--TheUltimate3 ~The User King ~ 04:29, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

When you have a character with multiple bodies and a shared consciousness, it's bound to cause trouble. I checked the debuts, and I think chapter 372 seems to be the most proper one. I think that's the debut we had in the infobox before RexGodwin edited it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:47, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Movie
im pretty sure his appearance in the movie will be a flashback, nothing more. he was already shown with WHite hair and using Gedo Rinne Tensei, so i seriously doubt he apepar physically in this movie.--98.117.165.233 (talk) 06:53, January 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * We've considered less about appearing in movies. In Inheritors of the Will of Fire, we considered Matsuri as a debuting character because an image of her appears when Gaara thinks of the people of Sunagakure from two seconds. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:00, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Choice of Killing Nagato?
I have a question about the article statement: "He decided not to kill Nagato, as that would only perpetuate the cycle of revenge." Does anyone else know if it is confirmed for a fact that Naruto *really* had the opportunity to *certainly* kill Nagato? I always assumed that if Nagato had enough chakra/stamina remaining to resurrect all of Konoha that it was not necessarily a foregone conclusion that Naruto would have beaten him. Personally, I actually find it very doubtful that that would be the case. In other words, I view it as Nagato having the choice between going all out to kill (summoning Gedo Statue or the like) or to save (the Samsara of Heavenly Life) and he simply chose to save. Is there clearcut supporting/contradicting evidence for this? In support of my interpretation, if Nagato did in fact have the ability to resummon the Gedo Statue (clearly he still controls it for sealing tailed beasts), is the fact that Naruto tends to almost always try a physical attack first in any novel confrontation...I don't think there could be a worse possible opponent for him (touching the summon is instant and certain death).
 * Too long;only skimmed. It's been taken care of though --Cerez365 (talk) 13:00, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

You make a valid point, but considering Naruto is the host for the Nine tailed fox and Nagato needed him alive long enough to extract it, performing that technique, especially on the border of Konoha would be a move I doubt he'd make. Making any sort of judgement call on their fight debatable as Nagato was down to fighting by himself with the limitation of keeping his target alive while Naruto had already been through a life and death struggle to this point, but had no such need to keep his enemy alive. With tis in mind, I think the line should be changed to "He decided not to fight Nagato, as that would only perpetuate the cycle of revenge." but other than that I don't think a clear cut victor can be called on a fight that never happened and seemed to have some seriously messed up conditions.--Hawkeye2701 (talk) 13:08, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can agree with that. I am not claiming with certainty that Naruto would lose, but certainly his choice was whether "to fight" and not "to kill."

Well, considering Naruto himself said "So, I won't kill you guys.", there isn't much support for any statement stating that Nagato could still have won. He was low on chakra, not to mention his mobility was limited by his machine. Skitts (talk) 02:43, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

At the risk of sounding inflamatory, in a fight against Nagato, who, while his chakra may have been low, still managed to revive every dead person in konoha (That type of technique typically taking a large amount of chakra to begin with, let alone an entire village worth.) and Konan, a perfectly capable member of Akatsuki who cared deeply for her teammate, not to mention the line you're giving isn't exactly the raw translation either, I stand by that any position taken on the victor of this fight would be purely speculative. --213.122.96.222 (talk) 03:18, February 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yea. With Konan's power I get the impression that even if Naruto killed Nagato, he likely wouldn't be long for the world after. I could see some difficulty in defending against a rasenshuriken while in the devices Nagato was linked to making it hard for him to defend himself freely, so I'd say it's more a situation where there's definite risk to both sides. ZeroSD (talk) 08:34, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

The most logical thing to say would be "Naruto decided against attempting to kill Nagato" since there is no way to know for sure if Naruto would have beaten him as we don't yet know Nagato's abilities in the chair. Not to mention Konan was there, who was capable of inflicting severe damage to Madara and forced him to use Izanagi, and nagato had a substantial amount of chakra left, performing a jutsu that normally takes a shinobi's life after just reviving one person. There is no way to say with certainty that Naruto would have killed Nagato had he tried. --JustinCredibleLove (talk) 05:06, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

seeing chakra and enhanced vision
i know about the barriar and the feet and stuff,but isnt it more possible he can just sense chakra?i mean,he couldn see the sage chakra extending the punch when he fought Naruto Naruto even saying a attack he cant see?and about the vision enhancement,i think he can only see as much as a normal eye,since one of the methods of defeating him was forming blind spots.66.142.141.250 (talk) 06:43, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

The Rinnegan does not (or any other doujutsu as far as we know) allow one to see senjutsu chakra. This is evidenced by the fact that Pain was confused by the fact that the Path that appeared to have dodged Naruto's punch was still destroyed. he couldn't see the sage mode chakra. Skitts (talk) 21:39, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Frog Kata doesn't use senjutsu chakra per se, it uses natural energy, which is used to make senjutsu chakra. There's a difference. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:57, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Uhh.. Presumably?
"One of his Rinnegan was presumably removed, and was inserted in Madara's left eye-socket". Last time I checked, Madara DID remove and insert the Rinnegan into his eye socket. Or was I imagining all this? SusanooUnleashed (talk) 08:34, April 2, 2011 (UTC)