Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-45510280-20200416210937/@comment-6769189-20200430171701

Squinty97 wrote:

@Legion I mean it would be nice to have an example lol, but I guess I'll take your word for it. Sarada's 3 Tomoe Sharingan was recealrd in one of the Sasuke novels

Naruto still having all the tailed beasts chakra was first revealed in the Shikamaru novel

Purple Lightning was introduced in a novel

Hozuki Castle was first brought into the canon through the Shikamaru and Kakashi novels Squinty97 wrote:

"False in the sense that it isn't up to date." No false in the sense that his material there that is no longer considered canon. That is not at all true. As i said before, adaptations/replacement of certain parts dont invalidate all of it.

Squinty97 wrote:

I was of the assumption they did it because there was confusion about where everything landed, considering there was a timeskip all the way to his Hokage days, and then there was other novels where he was 19, etc. Even a novel between those two times before Kakashi became Hokage. So if people were wondering when they'd take place in the story, there they were. It doesnt matter if they took place at different times. If they were meant to be stand alone works seperate that arent meant to be part of the timeline, then they wpuldnt be given a place in the official timeline. The novels establish their own time period well enough so there isnt a point in putting in a timeline if they dont take place there. Tbis would only serve to confuse the fans.

By this logic, whole arcs or even the original Naruto manga isnt in the timeline anymore because retcons are being made by Boruto.

Squinty97 wrote:

Yeah I do believe Itachi would try to take Madara out. Because as the others on this thread love to mention, he literally threatened Madara's life lol. With every intent to deliver. And he did this without knowing the extent of his abilities. So yeah. Chapter?

Squinty97 wrote:

A peaceful death is as easy as a quick Genjutsu for Pain and awareness and then cutting her throat, doesn't need to be the most taxing version of one of his most taxing jutsu lol. Again, you discard the fact that Itachi loved her. You ignore that Itachi wanted her to experience a happy life. You ignore that this kill would be the one to numb him enough to carry out the rest of the massacre. You ignore the importance of this kill simply because its his first kill.

Squinty97 wrote:

And about Rin, he was at that point in his development as a kid. He at first was a kid who only followed Shinobi rules. Once Obito died, he became one who would never choose sacrificing his friend. Then as he grew older, this rule became just a tad less ironclad as he gained experience and practicality. Why doesnt Itachi a get similar development for you? Do you think he was just born a family annihilator?

Squinty97 wrote:

Against Sasuke, yeah. He said one more time to give it up (You know, as the good guys do. Give em one last chance). And when Sasuke refused, Kakashi resolved to kill him. After Sasuke attempted to kill 4 Kage and a Kage stand-in? After he tried to kill Sakura?

Where was this last chance for Zabuza? Pain? Kakuzu?

Such a good guy thing to do to give someone one last chance but Kakashi killed all those other characters without hesitation.

Squinty97 wrote:

Jiraiya, in parallel to Naruto, could never give up on trying to save his teammate. Literally part of their character. So the war hardened member of the Legendary Sanin let his feelings for his friend get in the way of protecting his village.

Squinty97 wrote:

Yeah Hashirama probably killed most of his opponents, but again his entire character is an idealist. And you can twist the situation if you like, but in one scene he's willing to die to stop the bloodshed and bring peace. In the other, he's willing to kill Madara to stop the bloodshed and bring peace. It's not, one moment he's willing to die for Madara then the next he's willing to kill him. And no, I don't think it's odd that Hashirama, the idealist, would wage several landscape-changing fights with Madara to try to stop him before finally thinking he couldn't change him and ending him. After all he did grow up in war. I'm surprised it took him that long but again, in parallel to Naruto, he couldn't give up on his comrade, but to show Naruto's resolve, he eventually was shown to have to whereas Naruto was the first to succeed in bringing his friend back. There were alternatives for Hashirama to deal with Madara that didnt involve killing him.

Again, you accept Hashirama's contradictory behaviors based on the context of the situation but Itachi doesnt get the same treatment

Squinty97 wrote:

Again, Zabuza still carried on to try to accomplish his mission as best as he could, without wasting time for sentiment. In the end he needlessly died killing Gato and his thugs because of the way they talked about Haku.

But again, you excuse those contradictory behavior because of context of the situation but not Itachi doesnt get the same treatment.

Squinty97 wrote:

Itachi had several ways to give Izumi a painless death, but decided on the most taxing version of one of his most taxing jutsu at the very start of the night of killing everyone? Again, you discard the fact that Itachi loved her. You ignore that Itachi wanted her to experience a happy life. You ignore that this kill would be the one to numb him enough to carry out the rest of the massacre. You ignore the importance of this kill simply because its his first kill.

Squinty97 wrote:

Yeah because Jiraiya isn't Naruto, and it's part of Naruto's character specifically to change the hearts of his opponents. Also to succeed where his mentors failed. Yea characters pulling 180's because of some random, naive kid somehow makes more sense than Itachi giving his lover a chance to experience a happy life in a genjutsu before having to kill her.

Squinty97 wrote:

He did let it get in the way of his efficiency, he wasted a huge chunk of chakra on the very first person. You keep saying he wasted SOOO much chakra on his first kill but he was just fine afterwards. He didnt fight his way through the Uchiha nor did he plan on it. He killed everyone in their sleep of blindsides them, casting only one other jutsu the whole night.

Squinty97 wrote:

That's another reason it's OoC imo. Happened in a material other than the manga and it's an unprecedented one time thing. Its not OoC if there is no similar situation in which Itachi acted differently. Its not like Itachi casually murdered his girlfriends before after this one so you cant accruately say what is OoC for him in this situation.

Squinty97 wrote:

I mean, Itachi is COLD. No is Itachi is cold when we meet him something like 8 years after this event.

And Izumi's death is what made him cold enough to kill off the rest of his clan

Squinty97 wrote:

He may have cared for Izumi, but he loved his brother more than anything. And he tortured the absolute mess out of him and poured so much hatred into his heart. Itachi didnt have plans for Izumi to becaome strong enough to kill bim and become the great hero/avenger of the Uchiha now did he

Squinty97 wrote:

SO yeah, I believe Itachi, in that stiuation with Izumi, would at most give her a painless death and an apology. It doesnt matter what you believe

Squinty97 wrote:

Considering the feat occurred in one media and didn't occur in the other, that's a contradiction since it's its only instance, no? Its only a contradiction if it defies established limits. No limit was ever placed on Tsukuyomi. Cant contradict something that was never established to begin with