Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170916201627/@comment-25643824-20170918184435

UntappedRage wrote: Ninjachris wrote: None of them can solo hashi and madara when sasuke bisected Madara he had sufficient time to turn around and utter a full sentence he chose not to defend himself. Since sensing occurs whether or not the person sees the opponent one can deduce it occurs just as fast or faster than sight, if shin could react with his MS Madara will more than be able to with his rinnegan. It's not shin's fault sasuke chose that type of attack.

There are always these what if posts about ameno while in actual cannon battles sasuke has never single handedly defeated anyone with ameno and I'm fairly certain he never will but all of sudden he could do it to both hashi and rinnegan Madara what utter BS. "when sasuke bisected Madara he had sufficient time to turn around and utter a full sentence he chose not to defend himself. " It's called expository dialogue. It's pretty frequent. The point isn't if he could defend himself. It's that Sasuke caught up to him, relatively quickly.

Yes, they can sense it. Can they react within melee range? No. We've literally never seen a character that could fully react to Sasuke getting behind them with Ameno, with the exception of Kimoshiki, who already knew Sasuke had this ability from prior battles. Do Hashirama and Madara know his abilities before hand? OP Didn't mention this, so if no, then they're screwed. If they do, it probably wont work.

Sasuke threw his sword, buried itself in the ground behind him, disappeared, and it doesn't take a genius to figure out where he went. He most likely took an educated guess and just swatted the area behind him, and voila, he was there.

Sasuke attacked Shin from a distance, and used a Jutsu that has a pretty long travel time. Shin couldn't even move, and could only react with his visual prowess. Sasuke needed additional time for weaving and casting said jutsu, and yet despite this, Shin could not move. If Sasuke wanted to, he could waited until Shin Jr. was closer to Shin Sr. and switch within melee range, and Shin could do nothing about it. However they wanted Shin alive. The only reason why he wasn't defeated right there is because of plot reasons, because Sasuke stopped attacking and just ran back inside Naruto's cloak.

So no, in no way was it useless against Shin, who was basically a Kage-level opponent, since Sasuke did indeed take them both down.

Rinnegan Madara in no way can defeat Sasuke, as Sasuke is simply faster, stronger, and empowered by the Six Path's chakra. You saying he can defeat Sasuke is like saying he can fight the TTJ version of himself. That's ridiculous.

Same goes for Naruto vs Hashirama, of which Naruto is basically a better version of him, and with his speed, can actually blitz Hashirama before he could even react. Yes, he has Wood Release, but it's easily counter-able since Naruto can make clones. Hashirama cannot do anything while controlling his avatar. If Naruto makes it up there, which he can do because he can fly, Hashi is dead.

It really doesn't matter if Madara said it in his mind or not since would basically be the same length of time and the fact remains he had enough time to turn and see sasuke and speak to himself.

Sasuke was very close to shin and it's basically the same time he took to fire that fireball that he would take to swing a sword, and so what if shin is hokage level are you saying his visual prowess is superior to Madara's rinnegan?? And hashi and Madara are said to be gods. and point to note what is sasuke going to swap himself with to get close enough to either Madara or hashi, is he going to throw his sword? Or a shuruken? anything he throws at them they will avoid sasuke cannot possibly kill either of them with his first or second use of ameno as a matter of fact. And guess what after the third use he is F***ed left without a paddle, while his eye cool down and Madara mind Fs him with limbo clones.

So yes it was useless against shin

And yes rinnegan Madara will stomp the shit outta sasuke, you say sasuke is faster/stronger etc which isn't cannon anywhere rinnegan Madara has hashi transplant and thus durability and SM mode you gotta to be kidding me.

Like I said Madara would make quick work of Sasuke then they team up and finish naruto.