Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-25626003-20150728002625/@comment-5936871-20150729052051

BakumatsuWarrior wrote: Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: As for Minato, that isn't really true. Minato lost his arms because he was in battles against god-like chars AKA TTJ Obito and Madara.

Minato did a lot in the war, he arrived on the battlefield before anyone else and warped the TT's TBB away from everyone into the ocean. Then assisted in creating the giant red barrier. Then he saved Naruto and Sasuke from death against Juubito, and heavily assisted alongside Tobirama throughout almost the whole battle against Juubito, and he teleported everyone out of the barrier Juubito created to save their lives, and greatly helped out in the extraction of all of the tailed beasts from Juubito. He's also the one that came up with the strategy to help out Guy in his fight against Madara. I don't know why everyone was expecting Minato take the spotlight when it was made clear by the Hokage that Naruto and Sasuke were the spotlight, and they were all just the assistance. Yes what you said is quite true. Minato indeed did a lot in the War. But somehow his feats still didn't live up to his hype, imo. Tobirama was against god-tier characters as well (Juubito and Rinnegan Madara). He got his ass kicked by a revived Madara, most probably due to Limbo. But we'll never know what technique Madara used to take down Tobirama so easily, as both the manga and the anime decided to skip that fight. IMO the only technique that could take on someone of Tobirama's stature so easily would be Limbo, as there's no way to counter it without Six Paths Senjutsu. Also I think it was Limbo that took down Sasuke, after which Madara proceeded to stab Sasuke with his own sword. Or maybe it was Deva Path's power. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Despite that, Tobirama performed quite well against Juubito. While Minato, Naruto and Sasuke were helplessly looking at the TSB Obito had attached to Minato, Tobirama immediately took it with his own hand and then teleported to Obito and hit him with it. That scene showed that Tobirama is a much quicker thinker than Minato, who didn't have the presence of mind to teleport immediately towards Juubito to save his son and Sasuke. Tobirama was also able to immediately figure out that senjutsu worked against Juubito, despite not being a senjutsu user himself. Naruto was the only other guy able to work that out. Minato, a senjutsu user, couldn't figure it out as easily as Tobirama.

Anyway, my point is that while Minato did a lot in the War, but Tobirama stole the spotlight away from him. He was able to come with a strategy to assist 8 Gates Guy, but he didn't do anything to directly harm either of the TTJs. I was so excited when Minato activated his Kyuubi Chakra Mode, but we got virtually nothing of it. He was about to use some awesome jutsu when Juubito was struggling to control the Juubi subconsciously, but he easily got distracted and got his ass kicked. And so we never saw anything spectacular from Minato. And then Kishimoto finally desecrated Minato's reputation by making him lose his half of Kyuubi to Black Zetsu. Kishi essentially spit on the legacy he himself had created.

TL;DR: Minato was nerfed. I don't think for plot reasons. I think Kishi was in a bad mood during the weeks he was doing the Edo Hokages section, and so decided to troll fans by destroying Minato's reputation. That's all true, and I believe Madara most likely used Limbo on Sasuke to stop him. As for Tobirama, I'm not sure. But Madara was hyped up on Hashirama's Senjutsu Chakra, so him taking down Tobirama in hand-to-hand at that moment so quickly wasn't really surprising. What you said about Minato is also true. Minato was very helpful in the war, but Tobirama proved that he was a quicker thinker and had more battle experience and knowledge than Minato did. Which makes sense, considering Tobirama lived in times of war ever since he was a child and fought Uchiha since he was a child too. Unlike Minato, who grew up in relatively more peaceful times, so it makes more sense that Tobirama was able to do all of that.

I'm also disappointed that he didn't do that much in his NTCM. But he wasn't useless with it, he assisted Naruto in attacking Juubito, as well as lending him chakra a few times, used the link between it and the alliance to save all of their lives, and used it to help the alliance all work together to extract the tailed beasts from Juubito. Although I wish he would have blitzed Juubito a few times considering how fast he should have been with a combination of his own speed and NTCM's speed boost. However, again, he was fighting Juubito and Six Paths Madara, who were the strongest characters in the entire series at that point. Who could no-sell virtually anything they wanted, so it makes sense imo.