User talk:Seelentau

Something that has been bothering me...
The Truth-Seeking Balls not being listed as Senjutsu. I know you will tell me that "the databook did not say so" but here is my issue with that statement: The databook also did not list Mū as a user of Water Release either. But we added Water Release to him anyway regardless of the databook because of the Dustless Bewildering Cover, which was said in the manga to manipulate water. Well, the Truth-Seeking Balls were said to be made of natural energy, so what would be the issue with adding them as senjutsu and overruling the databook with the manga like we did with Mū? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 18:55, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Chapters 642-643, natural energy being the only thing able to damage and alter the natural energy of the TSB. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 19:05, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sure there were more statements. I don't get this wiki sometimes, something gets added but without proper referencing, then someone runs with eye through the article removing all unreferenced statements, potentially removing critical information, without bothering to check the validity of the statements instead.--Elve Talk Page 19:08, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Seelentau, according to Naruto in chapter 643, two sources of natural energy colliding was what was able to damage/alter Obito and his attacks. That statement Naruto made was shown by Gamakichi's attack altering the Truth-Seeking Balls, and Naruto's Sage-enhanced Rasengan damaging Obito as the TT jinchūriki. We know that Naruto's Rasengan had natural energy from senjutsu chakra, and the TT's  was stated to be identical to natural energy, damaging Obito. In Gamakichi's case, his attack had natural energy to collide with the natural energy of the TSB to be able to damage/alter them, in order to prove Naruto's statement correct. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 19:22, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * I understand, but I was not saying that, I was referring to Naruto's statement on how two sources of natural energy colliding is what caused the TSB to be damaged in the first place. Gamakichi's attack had natural energy, so... how about the TSB to confirm Naruto's statement? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 19:31, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was translated, that is why we removed Senjutsu as a classification for the TSB, because the databook did not list it there (but then again, what techniques were listed as senjutsu? Not even Jugo's techniques were either). And also, does the TSB article on this wikia state that they are made of the "Six Paths Sage chakra?" That chakra does not qualify as senjutsu chakra either?
 * -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 19:44, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

Jin no Sho version 2
You said it was advertised on itunes or so, link?--Elve Talk Page 18:23, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Another question: is Kaguya or anything important colored in "illustration collection: naruto uzumaki" ? Thanks.--Elve Talk Page 22:41, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sure you will ;)--Elve Talk Page 22:54, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

You sure it's version 2? If there aren't any changes, I wonder what makes it version 2 lol.--Elve Talk Page 23:09, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Choji still also lacks Earth Release I see.--Elve Talk Page 23:38, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Great! So if we are lucky, version 100 some years from now will be flawless.--Elve Talk Page 10:48, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

Any update on the artbook?--Elve Talk Page 13:07, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Hopefully they will be up soon, I was wondering about Kaguya and stuff.--Elve Talk Page 13:50, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

I notice that FF-Suzaku doesn't have the whole Shinobi Compendium translated, with Tailed Beast stuff missing. Is that part available somewhere on NF?--Elve Talk Page 23:21, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. And well, it's not gonna translate itself :D If you ever get around to translating the rest, I will be grateful.--Elve Talk Page 23:34, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Would you seriously accept a donation? Also play less LoL.--Elve Talk Page 23:48, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

redirect suppression
Generally, if you're doing a page move on an article, it's not necessary to suppress the redirect. If you do decide to suppress a redirect though, please make sure to correct links so that the wiki's articles still point to the intended target. ~SnapperTo 18:23, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

Uzumaki Daikan
I was going to make a table somewhere for the Japanese omnibuses (example) but the divisions they use aren't obvious from the page counts. Would you happen to know how the material is distributed amongst the eight volumes, or know of a website that lists it? ~SnapperTo 20:09, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

Tailed Beast KKG and Jinchuuriki
So Gaara isn't listed as kekkei genkai user even though he was a jinchuuriki of Shukaku with Jinton. Roshi is listed as a kekkei genkai user, but he had Yoton on his own even without Son Goku, is that correct? What about the other jinchuuriki, like Han? Well, what I'm getting at is the thing about Naruto being listed as kekkei genkai user, which is assumed to be because of the TBs advanced natures, but Gaara isn't, so may it be possible that Naruto's kekkei genkai has nothing to do with the Tailed Beasts?--Elve Talk Page 22:34, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

Well, I'm asking because while I was checking over at narutoforums, I saw some of the discussion you and others have and the wording about Roshi made it seem to me that he had had Yoton Kekkei Genkai even excluding Son Goku or so. You were once saying the same thing I believe.--Elve Talk Page 22:44, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

Thread:162053
For minor issues such as this, please to use a talk page or the requests page. A minor issue such as that does not really warrant an entire discussion thread, you know what I mean? I know the board is named "Wiki Discussions and Support Board," but that is for wiki-wide issues rather than issues that can be solved by one minor edit. Many thanks. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 23:38, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

opinion wanted
Can you weigh into this discussion?. Thanks. --Sajuuk talk 18:09, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

reading request
When you have the chance, could you type out the arc names listed here for me? I'd do it myself, but it would take me literally hours to look up all the kanji. You don't need to translate anything if you don't want to, just the Japanese would be great. ~SnapperTo 19:54, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

volume 72 tankobon
Got links? :P Would like to see the changes.--Elve Talk Page 20:54, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks bro.--Elve Talk Page 20:56, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * What the hell, two of the links require premium membership and the third which "doesn't" says that 'CAUTION! From your IP range the limit of connections is reached" even though I haven't downloaded anything yet. Could you upload the pages in particular which were changed? Interested in the redrawn Obito's death scene from volume 71, frontal Susanoo view from 72 among the two additional pages for 699, ty.--Elve Talk Page 21:16, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. If you find the reworked Obito's death scene let me know.--Elve Talk Page 21:31, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * "In volume 71, the scene where Obito is impaled by Kaguya's technique was completely redrawn from its initial release. In addition, some character reaction shots were also redrawn, as well as Kakashi's brief flashback being removed altogether."--Elve Talk Page 21:46, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

"Kisses" strange changes by the way.--Elve Talk Page 21:58, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * The additions make sense (should have been there in the first place) but the alternations are mostly just different angles. I think the Susanoo looked better from a side rather than front. And besides improved reactions from Sasuke and Kaguya, to me the Obito one seems redundant to have been redrawn from a different perspective since it also was fine, but shrugs, I ain't an artist.--Elve Talk Page 22:04, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

your behavior
Just saw the stuff from chat and I must 0_0 Just wondering, did you take any drugs or drink alcohol at the time?--Elve Talk Page 09:04, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Was also in the chat when that happened. Things got testy, I must say. Though Seelentau was not the only one throwing insults, so it's not all him. But I'm sure he'll notice Dantman's message. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 09:16, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * So am I, but that was downright insulting. But oh well, it's your thing. I just prefer people with a single face.--Elve Talk Page 15:53, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Shikamaru Hiden
Yo senpai, I got it from ANN. I consider it as a reliable source for information. — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 15:37, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

Cross Lariat
Could you add the kanji/rōmaji/kana? I suck with these Kumo jutsu that have Engrish names. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:48, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

Translation request
Hi senpai, just translate to me the titles of upcoming episodes to me. The first one is 極めし者 and the second is 逃走VS追跡 ... Thanks :) — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 13:43, February 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks senpai for clarification, you're right. They're not characters names. ^_^ — Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg (Talk) 14:19, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

Naruto's Six Paths Sage Mode
Databook entry. Any way to give that another look? I don't wish to read through GodlyHades's examples again in our forum again, I've read through them on the Narutofan forum he linked the first time which basically stated "Yes the tailed beasts are part of it". Thank you.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 14:45, February 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * I can understand that. But I'd rather get it done and done instead of the back and forth. I probably should have been made clear, I'm aware mention of the tailed beasts wasn't in the section itself, but rather on the side; like a caption or something. In the forum post there was a disagreement because some states it was to blurry to read and others state that it wasn't and it stated "something something Sage and biju".--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 16:44, February 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Which part? The text too blurry to see or the "blah blah Sage biju"? >_> <_< --TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 18:40, February 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Got it. So remove the tailed beasts reference in the Sage Mode article then?--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō.svg (talk) 18:46, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

Could you translate this?
http://i.imgur.com/s48cZNv.jpg

In full detail if possible? Thank you so much GodlyHades (talk) 20:27, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Your translations
Yeah, sure, as long as I'm credited. "Suzaku" without the "FF" is fine. FF-Suzaku (talk) 06:21, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

Izanagi and YYR
Sorry for giving you another translation request, but does Jin no Sho explicitly call Izanagi Yin-Yang Release on this page? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 19:37, February 14, 2015 (UTC)

re: Tobirama's death
Tobirama died the same day Hiruzen had become the Sandaime. I don't think Saru was Team Sannin sensei yet at that point.--Elve Talk Page 18:15, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Sannin fought in the 2nd. They were but little children during the 1st.--Elve Talk Page 18:27, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Considering they were overwhelmed from all sides and Tobirama despite being one of the strongest saw no chance of winning means that it was no small battle. The circumstances of it sound like world war. Maybe the early guidebooks specify in more detail.--Elve Talk Page 18:31, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

can it be deduced that
Moegi and Udon are grandchildren of Koharu and Homura respectively?--Elve Talk Page 19:56, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Rabbit Hair Needle
Does this jutsu's entry in the databook make any mention of using the hair to bind the target, or is it just the launching of hair? Current article says it does, but I think that the binding part is actually Hair Binding Technique. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:19, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Help in translation
Hello, can You please give me a translation about what's written in Temari's page of Retsu no sho databook , here is the link http://goo.gl/pjuAou , thank You so much --Abdidouche (talk) 15:40, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks :)--Abdidouche (talk) 16:56, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Re : Help in translation
So you couldn't understand ?--Abdidouche (talk) 17:07, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Ok thank you any way, if you have an other source in which you can read Retsu no sho , please give a translation for what is said about Temari. Thank you, have a nice day ^^ Abdidouche (talk) 18:31, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Naruto and COAT
Hi. According to this edit, Jin no Sho states that Naruto can indeed use COAT, displayed through him healing Kakashi's eye. I read FF-Suzaku's translation, and I'm stuck in the middle. It kind of implies it, but doesn't overtly state it either. Do you think it is valid for this wiki to state that Naruto can indeed use COAT, or just an application of Yin-Yang Release? 22:07, February 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * Bump.  17:42, February 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * Also asked FF-Suzaku about this, just letting you know. So Naruto using COAT is indeed invalid and he should be removed as a user? 18:01, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

Can you translate pages from the Databook? No one did Naruto's character yet... GodlyHades (talk) 22:32, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

Svgs
Hey, would you happen to know who does all the svg work around here? For infoboxes and such 00:32, February 24, 2015 (UTC)

Eight Gates
Keeping it short: What's the difference between the Eight Gates Released Formation and the Gate of Death? Because on this very wiki, they're defined to do the exact same thing with the exact same aftereffects. 03:32, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Right. So opening the Eighth Gate is activating the Eight Gates Released Formation? That's what I interpreted from the link you gave me.  23:48, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, so opening the 8th gate is opening all 8 gates simultaneously. Alright thanks.
 * 00:42, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * "mmh, basically, yes. The state of having the 8th gate opened is that technique."
 * "That technique" is the 8 gates released formation, yes? To my understanding, the 8 gates released formation is opening all 8 gates simultaneously (at least, that's what the article and the link you gave me says).
 * 01:01, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's what I was wondering. Also, if it isn't simultaneous as you say, then this article has to be changed then.  01:12, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure. ★   WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 21:17, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

Asura and YYR
To answer your question, the fact that the databook says that YYR is exclusive to those touched by Hagoromo's power (which is why both Naruto and Sasuke have it), and the fact that Hagoromo said in the manga that he gave Asura power is why someone added Asura as a YYR user. 01:33, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * YYR was not mentioned in the manga. All that was mentioned was that in the manga, Hagoromo stated he gave Asura power. Whether that could be ninshu or something else, we don't know. In chapter 692, Hagoromo stated that he gave Asura power. The 4th databook stated that those touched by Hagoromo's power have YYR, hence Asura being classified as a YYR user here, along with Naruto and Sasuke.  01:47, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Then I guess you should remove YYR from Asura's infobox and article then, since you've proven it's just an assumption. Also, does Indra have Yin and Asura have Yang? That's in their infoboxes as well.  01:59, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * ...I guess that might have to be removed as well (even though it does make perfect sense). Though I always thought Asura having YYR was a stretch, I've just never remembered to ask you.  02:03, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, forgot to ask: It's not a stretch to say that Asura has the TSB, is it? I mean, his chakra avatar definitely wasn't using Tailed Beasts Balls and he isn't confirmed to be a jinchūriki in the first place, so...  02:31, March 4, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think Hagoromo was talking about Ninshu but whatever. Hagoromo didn't give Naruto and Sasuke Ninshu, but actual power, so there would have been no point comparing that to giving Ashura leadership of Ninshu, unless he had given him power.--Elve Talk Page 19:12, March 4, 2015 (UTC)

Translation request
Hi senpai, just if you have time. Can you translate what's written in this image and what's talking about? Thanks — Shakhmoot  (Talk) 18:10, March 4, 2015 (UTC)

Switched it up...
Block Log. ShikamaruIzumaki is the sockpuppet vandal inserting BS into articles (and therefore should be blocked infinitely), AquasProductions is the actual account (that should have the week block). 21:16, March 4, 2015 (UTC)

Listing the retcons of DB1 by DB2
We know Hiruzen had some retcons in DB2. Manga clearly makes Naruto a fresh 12yr old when the series begins showing him before he is a Genin and the Chunin Exams started 3 weeks after the got back from the Zabuza fight, in July. We already know everyones birthdays from DB1 and DB2... So doesn't that mean that Kankuro, Neji, Tenten, and everyone else introduced in the Chunin Exams born before July's ages were definitely wrong in DB1? DB1 I'm starting to feel like is unreliable mostly.. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 17:06, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

So I'm in brainfart mode so bare with me. Does that mean that DB1 shouldn't be relied on since it doesn't add up at all? It sounds like DB2 was made to also fix DB1s mistakes and continuity.. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 17:14, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

So basically all we can do is KNOW that they all became Genin at age 12 including Shino and Hinata, which was at the same time as Naruto, in manga. Then we know including Shino and Hinata they are all 13 at the end of Part 1 and Gai born Jan. 1st is 27 at the end of Part 1. So maybe part 1 lasted longer than we thought it did.. like the same length as Part 2 did? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 17:27, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

Idek. Did you account for all this in the timeline? I don't remember ItachiWasAHero (talk) 21:57, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

Mhmm. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 23:32, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

Wait... that makes perfect sense actually.. Gaara is younger than Hinata then born January 19th. That means he was still 12 when Naruto turned 13, because otherwise he would of been 13 at his introduction in the chunin exams arc instead of 12. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 12:32, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

What I meant was that would make Gaara younger then Hinata. It would make what you said work. It would also make Gaara graduate the same year as Naruto's group. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 16:24, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, ok then. I guess you're right and again Kishi never put priority on his timeline then ItachiWasAHero (talk) 16:37, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Been meaning to ask this for a while
Why exactly did we translate Naruto's new ability he gained from Hagoromo as "Six Paths Sage Technique" and not "Six Paths Senjutsu?" ★  WS7125 [Mod] 00:32, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Uh... no we don't. Like, not at all. I don't think we do.  ★   WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 00:45, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Mkay. Moving the page to "Six Paths Senjutsu" isn't out of line then? Because apparently, we don't translate senjutsu.  ★   WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 01:23, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * OK. ★   WS7125 [Mod]WindStar7125 Task.svgWindStar7125's Task.svg 01:43, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Hey, I need a little translation help!
I'm working on a Naruto fanfic and I need a Japanese title to give to an enemy character reincarnated for the Fourth Shinobi World War. He's an Inuzuka who I called the 'White Wolf of Konoha', can I have a translation of that so I don't screw it up?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:20, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks See! Much appreciated!--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 20:00, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
 * Can I have another bit of translation help so I can get this attack right? Its english is: Yang Release: Blades of Blood. Much thanks!--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 07:35, March 14, 2015 (UTC)

TSB and Expansive TSB
Oh yes, I forgot to ask, is the TSB the parent technique of the Expansive TSB, or is it the other way around? 03:36, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Heh. "Tailed Beast Skill," "Advanced natures," "Parent technique"... what fanmade terms do we still have on this wiki? 18:03, March 7, 2015 (UTC)

Something small on your timeline
It was shown that Jiraiya was with the Ame Orphans for quite some time after they convinced him to stay with them before he even started training them. He was teaching them how to survive for some years after refusing to teach them Ninjutsu, then when he saw Nagato's Rinnegan after the Iwa Chunin was killed by him, he started training them in Ninjutsu.. that training spanned 3 years, then Jiraiya left. I think that training started when Nagato was 10, not ended when he was 10... as Pierrot says Nagato was a teenager younger than 15 but still a teenager remember?? I think it was you who translated the pierrot post for me. So Nagato and Konan were 13 and Yahiko was 11, when Jiraiya left to go home to Konoha, that makes Minato 19 at that time and Obito, Kakashi and Rin 11. Doesn't that make more sense?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 15:19, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

translation?
would you mind linking me to somewhere were gamaden's fourth data book article was translated. thankz. Munchvtec (talk) 15:06, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

Hey!It's me,Vic02.I'm so sorry that i started editing yout timeline.But you should know that Yahiko was born in the same day and year as Konan.Please try adding that information.I personallly think that it is an important one.I apologize for the mess made.I hope that i am useful in this wiki.Have a nice day!:) Vic02 (talk) 09:18, March 14, 2015 (UTC)

Kamui Lightning Cutter
Really? I thought Kakashi phased most of his body in order to go through Kaguya when striking her with the Six Paths Power-enhanced Lightning Cutter... 20:50, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Please
Translate this, it seems to give a timeline for chapter 700.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150320153435/naruto/images/4/4c/Novel_Timeline.jpg

ItachiWasAHero (talk) 15:42, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Translation request
can you look over one of the characters from the novel Shikamaru Hiden: A Cloud Drifting in Silent Darkness, Soku, whose real name is Hinoko in kanji? please and thnx. Kunoichi101 (talk) 07:57, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Kuno's block
Thank you for doing that. She's been asking for one for way too long. I just hope she eventually gets an infinite block, she really doesn't contribute here... --Sajuuk talk 10:40, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

Another Pierrot blog
This one has some Killer B info in it it seems.

http://blog.pierrot.jp/archives/8289 ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:34, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

Well, at least we got the age for Killer Bee when he was wearing the forehead protector(7yrs), and the the heights for his 5yr old self and 7yr old self. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:57, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

Medical Ninjutsu
Hey Seel, i was reading a old discussion about listing Medical Ninjutsu as using Yang release and you and a few others were against the idea as there wasn't any confirmation. But on the other hand, the wiki has excepted the idea of using unconfirmed/suggested information such as what chakra natures make up Magnet and Explosion release, based off what the story and databook has indicated. So why not do the same for medical ninjutsu since it uses either Yin or Yang and the chakra natures of all the Medical-nin's from the fourth databook suggest it uses Yang?--Sarutobii2 (talk) 23:44, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yamato basically confirmed in chapter 316 that it uses either yin, yang or both simultaneously. And the data book narrows it down to just yang based off Rin and Tsunade not having Yin. Surely those two contributing factors is enough evidence? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 03:21, April 1, 2015 (UTC)