Talk:Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball

Composition?
Was that just a translation issue or didn't black zetsu say in ch689 that it was "wind, fire, earth, lightning, WOOD and yinyang" that the Gudodama is made of?--Transcendency (talk) 17:04, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Here is the answer.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg JOA20 17:06, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * It was. • Seelentau 愛 議 17:06, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

an observation
If I were to guess, the difference between Truth Seeking Ball and this, the Expansive Truth Seeking Ball is that while a user of TSB starts with a set amount of them levitating behind his back and if he loses them, they are gone for good and can't be regenerated, the ETSB on the other hand, can be generated as seen by Kaguya who made one from nowhere even though none levitate behind her back. Just thought it might be worth noting.--Elve Talk Page 17:53, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Derived
So, is there a reason we say that the standard Truth-Seeking Ball is derived from this one? Like, does the databook state as such or something? Because I sense the logic behind this is that Kaguya used it, it's bigger than the average technique, and since Kaguya is the progenitor of chakra, this technique must be the progenitor of the lesser Truth-Seeking Ball. Please tell me that's not the case, because it is flimsy logic at best. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 18:14, August 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's Elveonora's logic for ya. 18:55, August 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's perfectly logical that a strong force can diminish its strength by splitting in numbers. There might be more, but they're much weaker in comparison.--Omojuze (talk) 18:57, August 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's also possible that Kaguya used the regular TSB first before expanding it. Like the Rasengan and Big Ball Rasengan. Also, I remember asking Tau about it. He told me this: Since "parent technique" is a fanmade term, it can apparently go either way. 19:03, August 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not about her being progenitor of chakra, it's about her having been there before Hagoromo was born. Unless you suspect she copied his and Hamura's technique and made it bigger or something. So I think it's more likely she was the first user of TSB in history and since the only version she was seen using is this expansive one, it's parent.--Elve Talk Page 20:19, August 30, 2015 (UTC)