Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-45510280-20200416210937/@comment-6769189-20200430224446

Squinty97 wrote:

@Legion, Sarada... has a three tomoe Sharingan? When did the manga or anime touch on that? 2, maybe 3 chapters ago.

Squinty97 wrote:

What do you mean it was first revealed he had their chakra in a novel? Hagoromo stated he'd continue to be their meeting place, that's not a reveal. Hagoromo said that before the last Sasuke vs Naruto fight where Sasuke said he ran out of the Bijuu's chakra.

Squinty97 wrote:

Yeah but Hozuki castle also has a different warden than in the novel, doesn't it? There are 2 Hozuki Castles. The one in the anime seems to hold lower level petty criminals. The 2nd Hozuki Castle has most of the Mujina Bandits.

Squinty97 wrote:

To tell a story within Naruto, they give you where it is in the timeline. It's uh, not that hard to grasp. Even if it's standalone, putting it in a timeline just give context. Then why arent all the Naruto and Naruto Shipuden movies on the timeline? They are Naruto stories that need context dont they? This argument doesnt hold

Squinty97 wrote:

I don't remember the chapter, but @Jason probably does, he brought it up. I think it had something to do with keeping out of the Leaf, and Madara asked what if he just didn't or something like that. I still need a chapter.

Squinty97 wrote:

I'm literally not discarding anything, I just don't think it's as relevant as you do. Itachi wanted Sasuke to live a happy life too lol. But instead of letting Sasuke develop normally (and he'd probably want revenge anyways), he goes "nope, you don't have enough hate in you." Itachi, with all his skill, could have literally just held back his full power in their final fight (like he was already doing), to let Sasuke kill him, without the need for making Sasuke so desperate for it that he literally defects from his village. He needed to make sure Sasuke actually wanted to find and kill him. If he let him be then there was a higher chance of Sasuke letting go of his hate for Itacbi and moving on

Squinty97 wrote:

Uh because he was already noted to have gone through these developments. Pacifist who already had the reasoning on par with a Hokage. And these developments just means he would struggle through doing the tasks he knew he had to. Not possibly fail his mission due to just chucking a chunk of chakra away. Hiruzen was Hokage and he didnt have the balls to go through with some of the darker tasks necessary

Squinty97 wrote:

Yeah, cus ya know, Sasuke was his student and a lot like Kakashi himself, so he gave it a shot. So what you are saying is that he let the emotions he had due to his previous relationship with Sasuke interfere with what he needed to do.

Squinty97 wrote:

Zabuza he only went after because of the mission. Once Zabuza stopped interfering with the mission, Kakashi let him do whatever. Kakashi had no ability to try to spare Pain lol, Pain was thrashing him and he was fighting for his life. But in any case this was an invasion of his village so yeah. Kakuzu the S-class criminal bounty hunter intent on killing those around him? Why would he try to spare him? Is Kakashi a cold killer or is he sympathetic second chance giver? Make up your mind

Squinty97 wrote:

Yep, that's Jiraiya's character. Soft spot for Orochimaru. Same for Hiruzen. Also in any case, didn't Jiraiya lose against Orochimaru? how is that considered letting his feelings get in the way? So you are saying that they let their emotions of a past relationship interfere with what they needed to do?

Squinty97 wrote:

What are these alternatives exactly? Madara kept waging war. Hashirama didn't have contradictory behaviour, his motivation was uniting clans into villages to foster peace. He dearly wanted Madara to be a prt of it, but when Madara kept threatening his dream, he killed him. Imprisonment. Hashirama had non-lethal means to keep him under control.

Squinty97 wrote:

Actually he killed a bunch of them on his way to kill Gato, who betrayed him. But he made a beeline to Gato.

Squinty97 wrote:

I'm not discrading anything again, I'm simply saying it's not as relevant as you think it is, seeing as Itachi. Yea, you are. You rationalize multidimensional and at times conflicting behavior from a number of characters but when it comes to Itachi it is inexplicable or unaccabtable OoC

Squinty97 wrote:

And Itachi at that point was already pretty numb, he was already brutally beating Uchiha police at that point lol. So the Itachi who was desperately trying to prevent the coup and only commited genocide of his family because the only alternative was a civil war in the village that would result in death of the clan anyways is already cold because he beat up some Uchiha police. Who already didnt like him and were antagnozing him by accusing him of killing his best friend. That isnt cold, that is actually fairly heated and passionate

Squinty97 wrote:

Uh Tsukuyomi uses a lot of chakra. Itachi can use his MS 3 times before needing to rest his eyes. The Itachi who are first introduced to who had been suffering from a disease that severely limited his abilities as time went on?

The same Itachi who after an even longer period of time was able to use MS 4 or 5 times back to back?

Squinty97 wrote:

And you're saying he'd take the risk of using a more taxing version on his first victim? And I'm sorry, wasn't there many slaughtered people in the streets? They don't sleep in the streets lol, that means some of the Uchiha were awake and fought. Most of the clans combatants were being taken care of Obito IIRC. Itachi was tasked with killing mostly civilians. Being in the street doesnt suggest a fight took place. Suggested they tried to run. A fight would have taken place most likely in the home where Itachi would have been.

Squinty97 wrote:

Also how do you know he only cast one other jutsu? The novel. He used Tsukuyomi one other time apart from Sasuke. Everyone else got stabbed/decapitated.

Squinty97 wrote:

I never said it would be casual, I think he'd be torn up about it too. Like with his parents. But not so torn up that he wouldnt give the women he loves the experience of a lifetime before cutting her life short

Squinty97 wrote:

In battle Itachi is cold. He casually murders Anbu of other villages when they're already knocked out, and this is when he was 11 I think, maybe younger. So he is cold when killing strangers/people who attack him so that means he wouldnt give the women he loves the experience of a lifetime before cutting her life short

Squinty97 wrote:

What I'm saying is that his love for someone does not impede his ability to hurt them usually. Sasuke being the easiest example. He's torn up about it, shown by his tears, but he can hurt the person he loves the most and he can hurt him more than almost anyone to accomplish his goal. Hurt and kill are 2 different things

Squinty97 wrote:

Ok? Then you believing it's in character for Itachi doesn't matter? idk where you're going lol. "Oh but it actually happened." Yeah but also it didn't, in the anime lol. I believe that characters are multidimensional and react differently to situations. I believe that in the one time that Itachi had to kill the only lover he ever had, he wouldnt go about it as if she were some random Anbu from another village. Is it OoC? No, he still what he had to do. Does it show another side of Itachi we were never exposed to? Yep.

Now if he had another lover that he was forced to kill and he fireball jutsu'ed her head off, then maybe I would say how he treated Izumi was OoC

But simply showing another side of his character doesnt constitute OoC

Again you are rationalizing behaviors of other characters that go against their typical behaviors but when it comes to Itachi it is OoC

Jiraiya doesnt kill Orochimaru. "They were friends and he had a soft spot

Hiruzen doesnt kill Orochimaru. "That was his student he had a soft spot"

Zabuza sheds tears for Haku. "The most hardened hearts shift when a close one dies

Nagato gives up his quest for world domination. "He encountered someone who went through a similar experience but didnt turn evil" even though he bodied Hinata, someone who didnt turn evil after having her village wiped out. Just a note

But when Itachi, in a unique situation, gives his lover a wonderful, peaceful send off instead of stabbing her in the chest, "Omfg that is so OoC the Itachi we came to know from a much later point in time wouldnt ever do that"

Squinty97 wrote:

That's an arbitrary definition of contradiction, I thought contradictions were when two things were in opposition. Arbitrary? In order for 2 things to oppose one another they need to be established.

A contradiction doesnt exist if one "fact" is nebulous.

Squinty97 wrote:

One event shows him killing her with Tsukuyomi, another shows Obito doing it. If you dont see the novel as legit why are you participating in the discussion? For the sake of this argument the novel is generally being taken as the canon of the events.

Squinty97 wrote:

I mean considering Itachi made Kakashi feel 72 hours of torture then also said it was dangerous for him to use his eye like that, kinda seems like even 72 hours is a lot of chakra to use up.so going from 3 days to 80 years or so kinda makes me scratch my head lol The same Itachi who was suffering from a disease that severely limited his abilities as time went on??