Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-24347194-20150211225344/@comment-142748-20150410210305

ItachiWasAHero wrote: No Sage Mode Kabuto is not slower than Minato, he is only slower than Hiraishin which is not actually Minato's speed its the techniques instantaneous movement by teleporting to the seals/tag seals, and Itachi getting cut by him was planned. Minato can't break Tsukuyomi, only another powerful MS user can(Or a Sharingan user with CS2 as shown with Sasuke) Itachi was faster than Sasuke as even an Edo as shown how only he could move and react to kabuto's attempts to take Sasuke during the fight(example being he used Susanoo arm to keep Sasuke from Kabuto after the blinding light attack, Sasuke couldn't do shit) You really hate Itachi don't you? Minato couldn't dodge Obito as TTJ at all and lost an arm, Madara' staff took his other arm.. He isn't that fast.. at all. Just because he was faster than fodder Ninja and young Obito doesn't make him fast especially since Kakashi is a bit faster than Obito as shown in their fight. Minato has nothing to fight off genjutsu and you have literally no proof at all that he does. Hiraishin alone may get him out of range or sight of Genjutsu of normal, weak genjutsu users/sharingans but against Itachi who was tied with a MS User(Shisui) with only a 3 tomoe Sharingan at age 11-13? No it won't help Minato. As shown in Sasuke vs Danzo SEALS DON'T WORK ON SUSANOO. Itachi only needs to catch him in Izanami for a few seconds to win, and yes for the last time he can do that. You literally lack any proof that he can't. Sasuke never tried to catch Ei in genjutsu so don't even try that and don't forget Madara did with a simple Sharingan genjutsu and guess what? Ei couldn't get out.. at all(he needed Onoki to break it). Only means he has is escaping getting caught by Genjutsu with Hiraishin and that won't help if Itachi can even have a few simple kunai clashes with him(Initiating Izanagi), eye contact(initiating genjutsu/tsukuyomi, or Itachi's fingers(again initiating Genjutsu). I took my 3 day block and read through the databooks and manga and I promise you half of the things you used to argue, you can't even use. You either misread, or made them up. Hiyayaka-kun is right, Minato simply does not have the tools to beat Susanoo/Itachi, guiding thunder couldn't move it, and Gamabunta can't stop, he'll just get sealed in Sword of Totsuka himself. While using guiding thunder he is stuck using a specific hand seal for most of the duration, that would cost Minato his life. Minato has NOTHING to stop Itachi outside of Hiraishin and even that Itachi knows all about already, tactics and seal placements. Minato could probably beat Izuna, and Shisui and even Sasuke, but against Itachi? No it's a whole different ballgame. He without a doubt and with no proof against it, loses to Itachi, his best bet is a tie in the end. Anything you say(repeat actually because you seem to ignore my posts completely demolishing your statements) would be fruitless because I have already broken them down. GreatestSin, Hiyayaka-Kun and MANY others in the previous posts agree. Only you and what.. 2 others agree? If you're going to comment on vs threads don't make them biased and don't try and make turn them into spite threads 3/4 of the way in. You really, really like Minato I get it. But you have to remember that just because you like a character it doesn't make them the greatest there is. 1. Kabuto is slower than Minato regardless. Minato, even without Hiraishin, is considered the fastest shinobi in history, only surprassed by Eight Gated Guy, BM/BSM Naruto, RSM Naruto, Rinnegan Sasuke, and Juubi Jins Madara and Obito.

2. Tsukuyomi doesn't even come into play due to Minato's speed. And stop acting like Itachi's speed is anything special compared to Minato, he's literally in slow motion in comparison.

3. That's more of an endurance and perseverance feat than a speed feat in the countering of Hakugeki.

4. A needed be distracted and held down before Madara (who is a far stronger genjutsu user than Itachi) could put him in a genjutsu, so I don't see how you're applying said feat to Itachi vs Minato.

5. The manga and databooks repeatedly stated Minato is the fastest in history. Why the hell do you downplay? You claim I hate Itachi (I dislike him now that the series is over), but it's clear you don't have a high opinion on Minato considering you keep trying to downplay and ignore his feats and hype.

6. Why shouldn't seals work on Susano'o? All Minato has to do is touch it, its teleported to another tag and bam. And unless you're a Juubi Jin, the Hirashin tag won't vanish off a person so why are you acting like Itachi would be immune to it? Just because Sasuke overpowered a fuinjutsu via his hatred which restricted his movements, doesn't mean a Susano'o user is immune to seals and you know it.

7. Sasuke did attempt to catch A in a genjutsu but he couldn't do it, hence why he turned it to Cee.

8. So Itachi is omniscient now, he can somehow predict where and how Minato will use his techniques? You are kind of making Itachi out to be a god or something.

9. How is it a whole other ballgame? Just because he's Itachi? If he's superior to MS Sasuke (who Itachi admitted would beat him), Shisui (who Itachi admitted is a better genjutsu user) and Izuna (whose Madara's equal up to EMS), that means Minato could wreck Itachi. You used absolutely NO logic here other than 'He's Itachi, of course he wins since he's Itachi'.

10. You haven't demolished any of my statements. Your arguments are tired and I've dealt with them several times on other forums. You claim just because your side seems to be bigger, you win? Instead of just addressing the points we raised? You don't even try to put superior feats out, just claim 'He's Itachi, he win's', that is your entire argument.

I believe this will be my last post to you. You can't debate honestly.