Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26005711-20160126181655/@comment-27660682-20160318062502

BakumatsuWarrior wrote: MIGshinobi wrote: Confirms my point that everyone in this thread thinks speed is the most important thing in a battle. When you're up against someone like the Raikage, who's so fast the sharingan has difficulty tracking it; has a body that can tank a Sage Art: Rasenshuriken with only a few minor scratches; AND has a lighting spear that can damage that monstrous body, then yes, speed is very very important. It's your fanboyism that is clouding your judgement here.

The Raikage's phenomenal speed will effectively prevent him from being caught in one-shot kills like Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and the Totsuka Blade. Itachi is smart and skilled enough to eventually catch the Raikage in those jutsus, but that's not happening during the beginning of the battle. The Raikage will keep on avoiding the jutsus while simultaneously forcing Itachi to use his Susanoo. Because without Susanoo, Itachi will be slaughtered in the first few minutes of the battle.

And we know what happens when Itachi starts using his Susanoo: incredible pain and rapidly diminishing chakra reserves. By the time Itachi does manage to catch the Raikage in Tsukuyomi, Itachi would most probably fall to the ground out of exhaustion, with the result being that both end up being severely disoriented.

It's highly unlikely that Itachi will catch 3rd Ay in Tsukuyomi before collapsing himself. Because whether you like it or not, his speed and strength will ensure that Itachi will be heavily exhausted before he manages to trick Ay into looking into his eyes. After that, the victory goes to the shinobi who manages to recover faster. I don't know who will in that situation.

Also, your smoke-bomb argument doesn't hold either. First of all, it's not going to disorient the Raikage. He'd be moving too fast for the smoke to cloud his eyes effectively. Also no, Itachi isn't going to Amaterasu the Raikage's ass from behind the smoke bomb, because the Raikage's speed is difficult for even the sharingan to track. More often than not, Itachi won't even know what hit him before he notices a gaping hole in his body.

This thing has been stated again and again and again by others so I'm not going to argue this further because clearly, the smoke bomb of Itachi-Wins-No-Matter-What has disoriented you.

Also, it doesn't matter if the Raikage can't pierce Itachi's Armoured Susanoo. He doesn't need to. All he needs to do is to pressurize Itachi to use his Susanoo continuously for, at most, half an hour. We've seen what the Susanoo did to Sasgay, who had Indra's chakra. No way Itachi is going to hold up Armoured Susanoo properly for more than 15 minutes. I'd give him 30 mins of Susanoo max.

After that, Itachi coughs blood from his mouth; bleeds blood from both his eyes; and before he knows it, his chest and abdomen will be dripping with bucket loads of blood and the squashed remains of his entrails. That's the Raikage's Hell Stab for ya.

So I give the victory to the Raikage 8/10. Itachi is no pushover. But I seriously hate the irrational glorification of Itachi. First of all, it was v2 4th raikage who couldn't be tracked by the sharingan at top speed, and I don't need to repeat myself 2 million times on the flaws of blitzing, and I'm also not gonna repeat myself and post panels of those "untouchable" raikages being touched and caught in genjutsu, you simply disregarded them, and yet I'm a fanboy? His armor doesn't protect him against tsyukyomi nor does it against amaterasu, so I rest my case there. There is no recovering from tsyukyomi, the diagnosis is instant coma, and kakashi implied that the trauma can be potentially Enough to leave you very close to death. The only reason kakashi was still somewhat standing is because the sharingan resisted some of the damage

Right, because the raikage isn't gonna be disoriented by a point blank explosion in his face after blitzing into it at top speed, and sure, he can keep runninng all he wants, he has lost sight of itachi and now must turn around  and regain his bearings. Its itachi who has the advantage in that situation, not the raikage. And like I said, great clone explosion or a simple paper bomb can do this and punishes a top speed blitz heavily.

No one said speed isn't important, it isn't the most important when you are lacking against your opponent in other stats. I see this all the time in raikage threads, they win with one blitz no matter the opponent as if the only option for countering a blitz is simply dodging. Itachi has an advantage most people don't have against the third raikage, which is the fire power to one shot him, so his whole armor hype is out of the Window. He is also outclassed in intelligence and wisdom, and due to the yata mirror and susanoo his hell stab isn't nearly as effective as it normally would be. His only advantage is basically speed/ reflexes (and its not like itachi doesnt have absurdly fast jutsu speed of his own) andstamina, and last time I checked this is prime itachi,  so he is still using his medication. Do I think the raikage can outlast itachi and come out of this alive? Yes because he can evade attacks that he sees coming and has the stamina and strength to keep going, but that isn't something happening consistently when itachi beats him in everything else. And itachi's time with susanoo is being exaggerated, as he held it up and nearly outlasted hebi sasuke after splitting his stamina in half with a kage bunshin, using tsyukyomi,  2 amaterasu,  one of them being used to cover the surrounding area of the mountain,  as well as miscellaneous genjustu plus fireballs while he stopped taking his meds. This time, itachi isn't holding back and he won't be wasting 30 percent of his chakra after a tsyukyomi, because unlike sasuke,  raikage can't break it.