Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-31099706-20170327120301/@comment-31099706-20170328075446

@Thekillman.@Ravenlot27.@AsianReaper. I can totally agree with your opinions.

Rachin123. well we also know that was trying to tire out sasuke so in order to get orochimaru out. I mean it wasn't like the same thing but isn't it a much worser treatment? I mean Sasuke usually never feared most things but plucking out a eye of someone while he's fully awake would be quite painful plus scary. And we already knew that it was that exact time that tsukuyomi got broken through, so any torture that was coming was canceled by Sasuke breaking out. I mean why would he do it against a kid and 12 year old sasuke which he feared to do at a 16 year fully sharingan mastered sasuke?

Your question about the genjustu not having a psychological proportion might be because it was only begining and that he might have not been able to do it. Or what I mostly think is, that it was a whole new level of tsukuyomi torture. I mean what would be more scary? realising(well in his mind) your eyes being plucked and it being used to increase the power of a "evil" brother that betrayed him and killed his whole family and that he sought to kill? or a genjutsu which he had already experienced two times so he could realise that it wasn't real? And anyways what would be the difference? a "spending your sweet whole life with the person you love" tsukuyomi did the samething. the torture thing can even be done by normal sharingans(I think) but the time manipulation is what it mostly deadly for. It was the thing that he broke through. Well if I'm right after plucking out his eye, Itachi had four eyes and took appearence of a monster? or was it just in the anime? And anyways Sasuke never noted the tsukuyomi to be weaker, even though he had two previous experience with it that he won't forget. And how exactly are we sure that it wasn't a choice for Itachi. I mean as a pure uchiha sharingan user which he also admitted to having the ability to overcome his Genjutsu? why would he not try to make the genjutsu more real like so he won't be able to notice it?

I know that your first comment would be that he wasn't trying kill sasuke but he was also trying to extract Orochimaru which he might have wanted to do some kind of jutsu to bring him out first? I mean don't forget that even if he wanted to allow sasuke to win the battle he might have not wanted for him to be possesed by orochimaru. We already know that's possible, since sasuke safely did it by Anko. and Itachi knew alot about orochimaru's jutsu so as a experienced and wise ninja as he is he would try some jutsu to bring him out first. But as we saw his sasuke broke through his tsukuyomi. Without the brain damage that it could cause. And I think there can be this reason too, that he wanted to first tell everything he knows about madara to make him stay away from madara first and then started the tsukuyomi's torture theme.

@Quakingstar.Well he might have hinted it at the Susanoo thing. The susanoo was actually the only thing that overpowered sasuke, the amaterasu which he escaped and the tsukuyomi(which we are discussing here) he broke through. if he did it in the begining it could have been different to a sharingan sasuke.

Well it could also be just that he broke out of it and thus he didn't experience the time manipulation. Actually the only proof of Itachi controlling his tsukuyomi's time manipulation was in the novel and that too after getting animated wasn't shown in the anime which already had alot non canon stuff so...

@Kakashi. If Itachi did a "watered down" version of tsukuyomi just so he could hold back and let sasuke win then why did he even do it on a 12 year old and a 7 year old Sasuke? I mean at those times he actually never thought if he would survive it.....And now after mastering his sharingan? why would he water it down?

Don't forgot Sasuke was the only one to experience it twice and he never said if it was powered down, I mean he would have noticed it. Even Itachi would know that sasuke would notice a "watered down" tsukuyomi, that is if he could do that. just like Thekillman said tsukuyomi is still a technique not to mention a MS attacking technique, why would it have a watered down choice? for kids? it sole purpose was to defeat/kill the person with a single shot. Even the "spending a good whole life genjutsu" version of it killed the person. I really doubt if a person can lower the power of his technique?

IMO Sasuke was affected to the same tsukuyomi but was just able to resist it's time manipulation and was able to break through it(even Itachi believed his brother would be able to do it). Theres no real need for him to experience a time manipulation genjutsu that causes time manipulation if he actually broke through it. And there was no curse mark that helped him for it too since we didn't see any mark at all or a mention from both the Zetsus.