User talk:WindStar7125

Archive
You might want to consider archiving your talkpage as it's getting a bit long. To archive, simply hover over the arrow to the right of "Leave Message" and click Archive. Then select the content you want to archive (preferably old discussions) and then hit the Save Archive button. :) --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 16:42, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Verification on usage of Senjutsu Chakra

 * Okay, Tau (not Seel, right?)
 * Right, Seel isn't even a word in German. Seele would be soul, Tau is dew.


 * Natural energy is an element of senjutsu chakra, correct?
 * Yes, it's the core element.


 * So senjutsu and natural energy are two different, though related, things right?
 * Yes. You can have natural energy without Senjutsu, but never Senjutsu without natural energy.


 * So in the recent Shinobi World War, did Juugo contribute natural energy or senjutsu chakra to Sasuke's Susanoo?
 * Senjutsu chakra. I don't know if you can contribute one of the three energies.


 * And also, only those who have used Sage Transformation can use senjutsu chakra, correct?
 * No, there is no true definition of what Sage Transformation is. Everyone who can gather natural energy and mix it with the other two energies can use senjutsu chakra.


 * Meaning Sage Mode, usage Orochimaru's Juinjutsu, and the Six Paths Sage Technique are all different types of the umbrella term "Sage Transformation," correct (which would explain Madara's ability to use techniques that start with "Sage Art," because of the natural energy of the Ten-Tails)?
 * As stated before, there's no existing manga definition of the term Sage Transformation.


 * And only those who have trained with senjutsu chakra (users of Sage Mode) are regarded as Sages, correct (like Naruto, Hashirama, Kabuto, and unlike Juugo, Madara, Obito, Sasuke, etc)?
 * There's also no manga definition of what a sage is.


 * Sorry for bombarding you with questions but I really need clarification on this.
 * Not a problem.


 * Thanks!
 * You're welcome. :) • Seelentau 愛 議 18:47, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Chōmei
Listen. You say "don't make pointless edits", I say don't make wrong ones. Chōmei IS written with a macron and I guess you also know why, and it's not female. Writing "SHE" into the article is wrong. And you know it's true. Iloveinoxxx (talk) 20:32, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * And because you said to me to sit still, it's perfectly fine to have errors in an article? My edit was not wrong and you know it wasn't. What's wrong is what stands in the article right now. This is not about picking a fight with somebody, this is about deleting wrong statements and you are no help in this regard right now. Iloveinoxxx (talk) 20:40, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * One step ahead of you, and you indeed wasted both our time enough already. Have a nice day. Iloveinoxxx (talk) 20:45, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's as much Sajuuk's job as it's ours. None of us three is an admin, so we're on "the same level". And that does also not mean that we should just jump out of the admin's way as soon as they arrive, even if they could block us any moment. A wiki works by many people working together, not by a small elite trying to smash every newcomer. If I make it "harder for somebody" (and I don't think TU3, who you've mentioned, is bothered by that in any way), people can discuss about it, which is what we are doing right now. Have a nice day too, again. Iloveinoxxx (talk) 21:28, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * We maybe, maybe can't correct all faults, but that should not mean we can add new ones, shouldn't it? Yes, Sajuuk is a rollback, which means he can....rollback edits that are purely vandalism. In a case of vandalism, he can use this power and that's a good thing, but it did not come in handy this time as no vandalism was involved. Yes, the topic was big and bad enough to me to take it to your talkpages, because, you know, that's what a talkpage is good for and I did not wanted to have my edits reverted for (in my eyes) no good reason. That you came off as rude did not bug me at all as it's the general tone on this wiki anyway. About the elite thingy....that's a matter of opinion. Surely they are admins and sysops for a reason (they really are), but "smashing newcomers" is not okay and will never be unless these newcomers do willingly vandalism. That's my opinion at least. Iloveinoxxx (talk) 21:54, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re:689
Wind, Fire, Lightning, Earth, Wood, and Yin-Yang were stated to belong to TSB. Zetsu was talking about Kaguya when he said "all natures and all kekkei genkai". It makes no sense for him to start listing natures only for him to then say it has everything. She has all kekkei genkai and natures, because, after all, not all kekkei genkai are natures and I highly doubt the TSB are made of Sharingans and Byakugans too. This also confirms she had the Sharingan because that is part of all kekkei genkai. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 06:14, August 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Wood is its own nature and Zetsu clearly separated wood and earth, so if Kishi wanted water in there, he'd add it in there. We'll have more clarity when Mangastream releases. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 06:18, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto's Relationships
Hello I see from the history page that you un did an edit of mine taking that Naruto heard Hinata and was rushing to her aid. This is unconfirmed and that piece is conjecture Naruto has shown immense sensing power. And Kishimoto has been known to deliberately put acts such as that in order to stir up pairing fans.

First you can take the stink out of that. Second I wasn't talking pairings I was talking editing and proper usage of an encyclopedia page. I would have figured that someone who made so many edits would understand that its wasn't about pairing I was just looking at all the evidence (not just was on one page) and editing something that I didn't think was correct. --Sincerely Morality (talk) 21:03, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Look I think we are just starting off on the wrong foot. I hold no grudge. I am new to wiki editing and i thought talking to the person who reedited my post would be the appropriate way to go about making sure the article is clean and unbiased (becasue frankly you are right there are to many shippers that make unnecessary edits). I apologise for anything I may have typed that may have offended you and I just felt in your original response you were a little touchy. --Sincerely Morality (talk) 21:17, August 24, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Upcoming chapters
690 will come out on Monday. That is the day WSJ officially releases the chapters in both Japan and America. If you have a subscription to WSJ, then at 12:00 pm Japan-time (3 pm here in the US), WSJ is released digitally and you can access it from their website (legally, so I can tell you that) or from a phone app if you have one. As to the illegal, unoffical scans; the truth is, they may never come out again. Some say they'll come out on the weekends, others say next week it will be back to normal, but if Japan's anti-piracy campaign is in full swing, I wouldn't expect to see anymore new chapters for a very good while. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 23:32, August 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Doubtful. Viz is licensed here in America and I doubt the scanlators would want two governments breathing down their necks. There is prison time involved if they're caught after all, but that remains to be seen. They might be daring and try. I'm not sure. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 00:09, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * What Fox said. Also, this is a case where only time can tell. We have to wait for Sunday/Monday to get an answer. • Seelentau 愛 議 10:10, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Misleading info
It's based on that anti-piracy announcement, for now we can't assume that what was leaked is correct (even though it was probably released the same way as all other scanlations before it), so I added the template. It'll probably be gone by Sunday, but just wanted to make it clear to viewers that its information is potentially incorrect. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 21:33, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

So low....so lame...
So you post to foxy's profile because you want someone else to do you're dirty job knowing im pretty much right since Ultimate and some others are okay with Kaguya being a user for the Six Paths Sage Technique

So lame... so low... Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 17:43, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Question
I think nah. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 17:48, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I noticed this discussion and wanted to say something. Kaguya doesn't have the marks on her back. You can check it at chapter 682, the page before the Reverse Sexy Harem Technique.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 18:36, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I agree with you that the SPS isn't a parent to TSB, since it just happened to appear with SPS. I think that the whole problem lies with the fact that we don't have a complete grasp about what SPS is.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 18:50, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Re: TSB (again)
He's not a WR user, the Kanji was more than likely a mistake. But until we have a tankobon version of the chapter, we don't know for sure, that's why we handle it as if it wasn't a mistake. However, Naruto said that Kaguya's orb is similar, not the same. So he shouldn't be listes as a WR because of Kaguya's orb. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:14, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Dubbed Episodes
Next time, ask before you start recklessly undoing my edits. Check http://www.viz.com/anime/streaming and go to their release schedule if you want check for yourself next time.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 02:18, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

I said ask BEFORE, not while or during. Don't just assume I don't have a viable source. The admins on here know that I get the dubbed episode airdates from a viable source, therefore I do not put one.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 02:29, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

I am not angry. I only capitalized one word. I only capitalized before, because you obviously didn't read it the last time i wrote it. Next time read what i actually write.--DuelMaster93 (talk) 02:36, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

thank you a lot
For helping me. If you don't mind, would you please check Ten-Tails, Kaguya and Gedo Mazo articles and see if anything from there should make its way into the Shinju article? (like the personality you just added) thanks a lot.--Elveonora (talk) 20:11, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully you are not the one driving.--Elveonora (talk) 20:21, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Nope. :) WindStar7125   (Contribs) 18:28, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Another task, please?
Like this one? → Sharingan_Triple.svg Rafael Uchiha  Uchiha_Symbol.svg 03:27, September 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * ^^^ Yep, yep, yep!-- WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task.svg WindStar7125's Task.svg 05:14, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Just to point out... the One-Eyed Rinnegan, Sasuke's Rinnegan, Hagoromo, and Madara's look exactly the same in shape, line thickness, and line count.. minus the difference in tomoe and color I even took a few hours to analyze them completely to see if I was right. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 23:54, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

I'm positive they know what I said, because the same thing came up in the past and everyone kind of just ignored it. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:45, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

the shinju talk
thanx 4 doin the right thing...appreciate it... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 22:36, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

the article looks much better now buddy :] so what do U think about the off-topic thing I mentioned in the talk page... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 23:30, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

WE ALL ARE :D
 * I'm just copy pastin:
 * this is off-topic...I suddenly had this question that if it's written in the article that kaguya gained rinnegan after consuming the fruit...then why ISN"T it written that she got byakugan too...beside other possible things like dead bone pulse... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 21:06, September 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * ......again I meant that in THIS FICTION trees don't have minds...I told U call it whatever U want merger incarnation possession taking over parasitism I don't care...I gave U proof based on the madara example...it's up to U whether U wanna accept it or not...my final opinion regarding rinnegan is it should be REMOVED from the original shinju article... & about the off-topic thing I said...discussing it there than here doesn't make a difference...shinju & kaguya are related...anyone has any opinion about it?...sry about going off-topic windstar, had to throw it outta my head :] --DARK ZER06 (talk) 21:21, September 6, 2014 (UTC)
 * --DARK ZER06 (talk) 23:39, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

AW HEEEEEEEEELL YYYYYYES this is perfect...loved Ur edit star...thanx buddy...appreciate Ur caring 4 this wiki :] --DARK ZER06 (talk) 08:56, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Edits
Yeah I kinda knew your edits where from your phone because there listed as mobile lol. we all knew. But jokes aside, its hard i know im forced to do it a lot. Munchvtec (talk) 04:36, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

I also wanted to say congrats, you almost have 2,000 edits. Munchvtec (talk) 04:39, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Really? I did't notice. I almost never check lol. Munchvtec (talk) 04:41, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

It's not in the info box Munchvtec (talk) 04:49, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, i noticed it when i went to remove shinju. i dont know what it's for though i'll look into it. Munchvtec (talk) 04:56, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

It was a redirect to a user named Sasuke Uchiha. a bot that we have added it and it will be removed shortly. Munchvtec (talk) 04:59, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

no problem. Munchvtec (talk) 05:05, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Um...
Yep, we did decide that. I was hoping someone else would since I was quite exhausted with the stupidity of that discussion, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to go ahead and do so. I'll do that right now. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 19:30, September 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Seel confirmed the translation for me. Yin and Yang are not separate. Both Tobirama and Black Zetsu say Yin-Yang is the element there. They cannot/won't be separated because they aren't. The technique requires fire, water, lightning, wind, water, earth, and yin-yang. That's why its so stupid to ignore Naruto having Yin. He does. He has to. Yin-Yang, not Yin and Yang, are required for TSB. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 20:10, September 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * I know what you mean, but that's factually incorrect. Yin-Yang, as in the premixed element of Yin-Yang, is a component of the technique. For example, if a technique is made of Wood, Fire, and Lightning, we wouldn't list Earth, Water, Wood, Fire, and Lightning. Wood, the premixed element, would be a requirement. Yin and Yang aren't components of the TSB. Yin-Yang is. I hope that is more understandable. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 20:30, September 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Exactly. Its exactly like that. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke.svg 20:36, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Deadlock
Hey, sorry I didn't reply, I did see the message but then left to do something else and forgot to respond back. Even so, you would have needed a sysop to delete the page. :P --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 08:27, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Re: shipping discussions
They're banned and not allowed. If it's on the forums, please link me the thread and I'll remove it. If it's a talkpage, delete the message entirely (assuming it's not a long ass discussion). --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 21:51, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Left a notice in the thread and requested a sysop to close it. Thanks for pointing that out :)
 * Regarding talkpages: if the message itself has nothing to do with improving the article and is just obvious bias, it can be removed. Talkpages on articles are only for messages on how to improve some aspect of the article, long debates like the ones in the forums don't belong there, so can be removed without repercussions.
 * Also, while I remember: when you link to something that's already on the wiki (like a thread or an article, or a talkpage), you just need to do, rather than  . For example:   --SuperSajuuk Talk Page 22:02, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * There isn't much to explain, you essentially described why they're banned. Plus, they don't improve the wiki and start unnecessary edit / message wars, which we'd like to avoid as much as possible. ;) --Sajuuk Talk Page 22:07, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's one of those unspoken rules. When the forums were opened up to more discussions, it was generally agreed that we ban pairing discussions. It's for the simple reason that such discussions would simply do nothing except allow editors to spew hate against specific pairings, start potential edit wars on articles like Naruto Uzumaki's Relationships and frankly, would attract a lot of unsavoury users to the wiki who would start a lot of questionable discussions. In the interests of trying to remain credible, it's better these discussions stay off the site. The reason you are probably seeing a lot of fanon threads is probably because the sysops (apart from TTF) don't really make an effort to moderate them, so it's really up to me and him to keep them clean where possible. --Sajuuk Talk Page 22:17, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, I remember a thread Snapper2 made back in May about types of topics to be allowed/banned, the unanimous decision was to ban pairing topics. See here: Thread:125347 --Sajuuk Talk Page 22:29, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Policy
Hey please take this message here User talk:Alerxribeiro.soares.7 please I do not like this Talk:Message Policy Please. Alexribeiro.saoares.7 (talk) 00:57, September 14, 2014 (UTC)

Re: what if
It does, but in terms of banned topics, we only really disallow pairing discussions. Other topics are only really closed down if they go completely off topic or just devolve into flame wars. --Sajuuk Talk Page 09:35, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Please explain this to me...
Gaara's MR was a | long ass debate that caused quite a lot of tension, and while I'm glad he has been listed, I'm sure you can understand why I'm a little ambivalent towards retreading it after all that.

To keep it really short
 * Toroi and Yondaime Kazekage (YK) debuted MR in 546
 * Toroi had normal eyes and YK manifested ringed eyes when he used MR
 * Toroi used power of attraction (a type of magnetism called paramagnetism) and YK used power of repulsion (a type of magnetism called diamagnetism); the ringed eyes are the differentiator
 * Diamagnetism can affect inherently non-magnetic material such as gold (YK used Gold Dust, Gaara later used it too)
 * YK manifested ringed eyes when using MR, like Gaara - ringed eyes are historically associated with tanuki, the type of creature Shukaku is.
 * YK and Shukaku are confirmed MR users with ringed eyes; all logic therefore indicates Gaara, who was said to be only child compatible with Shukaku, has MR.

I probably left out quite a bit but that's the gist of it. I really recommend you go through the archive.--Reliops (talk) 09:26, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Gaara didn't use gold dust, though. He lifted it with his own sand. :x • Seelentau 愛 議 09:36, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Question 2
No. As I said on that talk page, "I say the TSB are from the Six Paths Power, whatever that is.". • Seelentau 愛 議 13:25, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * He wasn't using a TSB for his staff. Otherwise, there would've been more TSBs behind him, hm? • Seelentau 愛 議 13:36, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Then what about Hamura and his staff? And what do you want me to explain about chapter 690? There's a plot error there, as many have pointed out. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:39, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

But then Six Paths chakra also comes from the Ten-Tails, since Madara nor Obito ever encountered Hagoromo, meaning it IS a Tailed Beast Skill after all--Elveonora (talk) 13:51, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

You are forgetting that Hagoromo is son of the Ten-Tails, so he has Tailed Beast chakra if you want to be technical about it. And since the Ten-Tails grant Six Paths Chakra, it means TSB is a Tailed Beast Skill because the Six Paths Chakra is necessary.--Elveonora (talk) 13:59, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, everyone is a pseudo-jinchuuriki of the Ten-Tails if you want to get technical. All chakra that exists comes from Kaguya--Elveonora (talk) 14:07, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Only when you want to be super anal about it. But in this case we are talking about the Six Paths Chakra specifically, which Hagoromo inherited from Kaguya in one way or another (by birth and from jinchuurikiness) and Obito&Madara got it from being Kaguya's jinchuuriki. So for them, it is a Tailed Beast Skill, even though in Hagoromo's case it isn't exactly--Elveonora (talk) 14:12, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Re: For the first time here, I'm gonna be real serious
Worrying about how things used to be is a fool's endeavor. Worrying about how this place became a cesspool of people backhanding each other is equally foolish. After tanking as much as I can with all of this I have decided to rethink my contributions here, for one I don't discuss much. Hells I didn't even go into one of those discussions until Elvenora told me to and even then I was just about to ignore it. Edit what I want, keep people in line when I see something and go off and do other things. Much better use of my time. If you are also starting to feel the weight, I suggest you do the same.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 11:12, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * In my personal opinion, a lot of the fighting comes from a few facts:
 * The newer generation of wiki contributors want to move the wiki in another direction (aka, opening up the forums to more discussions), but the older generation of contributors are not interested in this and are making efforts to distance themselves from such discussions (I will commend TheUltimate3, for although he doesn't generally moderate the forums, he does get involved in the discussions) and claim they're background noise that doesn't improve the wiki. While I agree the topics in the "Naruto" discussion board don't improve the wiki, when were such discussions ever intended to improve the wiki? Said discussions was just a way to make people have a reason to be here beyond mainspace edits and to make the wiki look decently active, rather than dead.
 * There are groups of users who have their own opinions about scenes depicted in manga chapters and don't change said opinions for others. This means that when both clash, it becomes infighting because neither will back down, creating unnecessary flame wars. This results in threads reaching 200+ posts within a short time and massive amounts of flaming that didn't really need to occur.
 * While I can appreciate some people won't like my opinion, this is my opinion and I think we can all agree that there is some truth to some parts of my opinion.
 * I would also like to take a moment to agree with TU3: I also don't do much in the way of edits to the wiki and have actually spent more time just cleaning up the forums because nobody else does it. This furthers my point that we should really have an actual forummoderator flag (another wiki managed to get this).
 * I hope this reply is understandable. :) --Sajuuk [Moderator] Talk Page 11:26, September 22, 2014 (UTC)