Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31948035-20170701223045/@comment-32466165-20170703201648

yeah but kisame was holding back against bee like all akatsuki do against bijuu bc he needed him alive he wasn't trying to kill him and jiraiya was said by itachi himself to be equals with jiraiya(without sage mode)and itachi would whoop bee another thing the wiki says that sasuke was weakened in that fight from the fight prior and the rest of taka hardly counts and they still beat him had sasuke not been weakened and they had a 1v1 it probably would have been a draw and about that tailed beast ball jiraiya could ttransport himself into other toads from mount myoboku and out dodging it and it took time to make giving jiraiya enough time to pull off some fire style or something and he could summon gamabunta who has experience fighting bijuus even the nine tails and I imagine the nine tails probably would have tried TTB but gamabunta was probably able to dodge it so while gamabunta was dodging him jiraiya could go into honored sage mode and that's when this fight would be over bc even pain was pushed to his absolute limits against jiraiya