Talk:Kakashi Hatake/Archive 2

nature type????????????
i think kakashi only had 2 nature type........... he said it when he was training naruto......--125.162.78.90 (talk) 04:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The only thing he said about two nature types is when somebody have affinity for two, like Tenzo and Haku, it is a kekkei genkai. He also said that most Jonins has two types, even if they can't combind them. Jacce | Talk 05:27, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * actually he said that most jonins can use atleast 2 nature types, and a kekkei genkai is when they are combined together to make a new nature (e.g. wood, ice, lave ect.), and that every body is born with a natural affinity for one element or another Fawcettp (talk) 06:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Kakashi doesn't have a Kekkei Genkai and he has a lightning nature only and who needs a 2nd nature he has a sharingan to copy other jutsu :) -joboyaltar

I dont believe that the sharingan can be used to "copy" diffferent types of chakra. I have seen him use techniques of Fire Release, Water release, Lightning release and Earth Release. I certainly do not think he has only 1 chakra nature X( - Affirmation_ab - Talk 06:03, 6 January 2010

Even if he can copy elemental jutsu, he needs to be able to produce that element in order to use the copied jutsu. Kakashi saw Naruto using Rasenshiriken with the Sharigan, that doesn't mean the he can use Wind Release, nor that he can use Rasenshuriken himself. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 11:16, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

The Rasenshuriken needs a large amount of chakra which Kakashi lacks Remember even without the Kyuubi, Naruto has twice more chakra than Kakashi http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/315/11/ -joboyaltar--121.54.92.57 (talk) 12:01, December 24, 2009 (UTC)

I don't think Kakashi has enough chakra to pull of the regular Rasengan more than a few times a day seeing as how Kakashi strained noted by the groan and him grabbing his wrist with his other hand. Not only has Kakashi known the technique for years (more than long enough to know the right amount of chakra into it) but he also has finer chakra control than Naruto. Meaning the only reason he would need on hand to stabilize the other is due to lower chakra reserves. While Jiraiya is stated to have a large amount of chakra and is able to use it one handed. Also Kakashi can use other natures besides Lightning. Lightning is his natural affinity while he can also use water and earth chakra as shown in the manga. Fire is debatable since anime jutsu could be un-canon due to the anime's large amounts of differences from the manga. As for wind it will be added to the list if he uses a wind release jutsu outside the games. WolfMaster (talk) 16:57, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Hey hey hey. I think Kakashi groaned and grabbed his wrist in pain because the Rasenshuriken totally destroyed the normal Rasengan and also would have done damage on his hand. I dont think he had pain because of wielding a normal Rasengan. - Affirmation_ab - Talk

No this was before Naruto even split his first leaf just right before he explained elemental recomposition. Therefore neither the Rashenshuriken nor the Wind Release Rasengan were even invented yet and this also means Kakashi's hand wasn't damaged. Another hint is that is more visual and not time based is the fact that it wasn't the Rasenshuriken that he used in training against Kakashi but the Wind Release which would appear to have less cutting power than the Rasenshuriken based on the fact that it didn't completely cut Kakashi's glove to shreds.WolfMaster (talk) 01:25, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

WHY DO U KEEP ON TAKING OFF MY EDITS THEY ARE TRUTH FULL

There isn't any other edit by the IP address you used to write the above. And unless you're complaining about edits regarding Kakashi's chakra natures, this isn't the place. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:26, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

One of 3 people to defeat one of Pain's bodies?
Shouldn't this read 4? Didn't Konohamaru defeat one as well?


 * Technically Konohamaru didn't defeat the Naraka Path. Why? Cause it was still functional. Only Jiraya (beat the Animal Path), Kakashi (Asura Path), and Naruto (All six) actually destroyed a path.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 01:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

For the sake of consistency, Jiraiya defeated Animal, Preta and Human. Xfing (talk) 10:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Mangekyou
isn't it most likely that he witnessed Rin's death Vik0z0z (talk) 22:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't know that she's dead technically... as she was very much alive after the two were rescued by Minato. I would suggest more than likely he would have felt 'guilty' for his prior inaction in regards to rescuing Rin earlier therefore negating the circumstances that led to Obito's death. In other words.. he felt responsible for Obito's death. 66.191.195.231 (talk)
 * She is most likely dead, Kakashi told Sasuke way back in Part 1, right before Sasuke leaves Konoha, that everyone he has ever cared about is already dead. And going by Kakashi Gaiden, he did care about Rin, even if not in the same way as Obito. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's still just an assumption however.. there is no clear evidence that she had died. A vague statement doesn't really prove anything. Hopefully it gets cleared up one day. Trigunflame (talk)
 * Saying she's dead is much less speculative then saying she's still alive. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, she is certainly dead. When Kakashi is dying in the invasion of pain arc, he says something about not being able to keep his promise to obito, and being unale to save Rin. So, It's fairly certain she is dead. Uber kyubi (talk) 11:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

If Kakashi isn't losing his eyesight how does he know about it?

new technique
Kakashi uses Water Element:Circular water wall in Shippūden episode 86.Shouldnt it be mentioned in his jutsu list?Saiyan16 (talk) 16:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Water Release: Water Encampment Wall? ~SnapperTo 17:09, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes he used it in his fight with Kakuzu ! Art-is-a-blast (talk) 23:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Excuse me in abilites why is it not mention that kakashi can store chakra. That's like a special talent being no body else has ever stored their chakra. I'm sure the lightning clone kakashi used more than two taxing juysu aganist the pain bodies

"Store chakra?" What do you mean exactly?--Enoki911 (talk) 05:56, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Storing chakra simply means "conserving" chakra. Gojinn (talk) 02:14, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Special Jounin
I remember hearing somewhere that kakashi use to be a special jounin in Tracking. I am going to look around the manga to see if its true.

Number 1 sign your comments. Number 2 Kakashi was never a Tokubetsu or Special Jonin as he was still under Minato's wing until he became a Jonin at age 13. If he was a Special Jonin before then he wouldn't have been with Obito and Rin as a Special Jonin is only assigned to work under a Jonin like Minato was at the time under special circumstances. And it would appear that they had been on that same team since they were all Genin as Minato already knew of the Chidori which Kakashi had just developed before hand.WolfMaster (talk) 02:09, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I know this is an old topic, but to clarify, Kakashi is a jonin who specialises in tracking as well as evasive fighting (stated during a filler arc with the three tails when he was fighting one of Orochimaru's prisoners). When he used the term "Specialises", he simply meant "one of his greater skils", not his ninja rank. Gojinn (talk) 13:23, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Infobox
How do you view Kakashi's infobox and edit it?? --Aquabender (talk) 22:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Here..-- AlienGamer--Talk-- 01:55, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! =)--Aquabender (talk) 02:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Madara calls kakashi "Kakashi Sharingan Hatake"

Kakashi using ice element
In the first movie, Kakashi is able to use Ice Release: One Horned Whale to counter Ndare's one. Shouldn't this be listed under the list of moves as well?
 * Movies aren't considered canon, and since he was able to copy One Horned Whale, it wasn't the real kekkei genkai, but some sort of replica of the nature chakra. Jacce | Talk 13:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Fire Element
Why we can't add Fire Release to him ? He is using it in Anime and he have fire jutsu in his list too... Anko and Gamakichi have fire anime only and have Fire Release icon at the top.

The justu in the movie was not a combination of wind and water release like actual ice release, but a special ninjutsu that manipulated existing ice. Therefore, kakashi could copy it with his sharingan. and movies are non-canon

White Chakra Sabre - Unusable
It should have unusable status next to it in Kakashi's jutsu list. I have written it in the jutsu's discussion page, but just to be sure I've written it here as well - MadaraU (talk) 12:52, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, no it shouldn't. The articles should be relevant for every point in the series and the White Chakra Sabre was usable during the Kakashi Gaiden. The fact that it was broken isn't relevant to Kakashi's article; that's why it has its own article. --ShounenSuki (talk 16:11, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Then why is Sasuke's Cursed Seal listed as removed (same thing as unusable if you ask me) in his jutsu list? Because he cannot use it anymore given that he does not have it anymore, just as Kakashi cannot use the White Chakra Sabre because the tanto was destroyed (does not have it anymore). This is undeniable. Or let's break the rules for every jutsu which was usable, but it is not usable anymore, using your own words: Cursed Seal - "The articles should be relevant for every point in the series and the Cursed Seal was usable since the middle of the Chuunin Exams Arc up until the Hunt for the Eight-Tails arc. The fact that it was taken away by Itachi's Susano'o isn't relevant to Sasuke's article." Do you get my point? For the sake of consistency between all articles, the White Chakra Sabre should be listed as unusable or destroyed or whatever. - MadaraU (talk) 13:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the Sasuke thing...--AlienGamer--Talk-- 14:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you AlienGamer. I am also against those and any other such status comments. We shouldn't be adding "unusable" to the White Chakra Sabre entry in Kakashi's jutsu list, we should be removing them from all other lists. Really, the only comments that should be in there are things like "anime only" or the type of animal a character can summon.
 * That said, I also think we should be removing "deceased" and similar comments from the family lists in the info boxes.--ShounenSuki (talk 16:39, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In that case I agree too. I mentioned the thing with the Chakra Sabre for the sake of consistency between articles. I am curious if all the unusable etc will be removed and will stay on the lookout for any that are not removed. Give a green light someone, for deleting those things. - MadaraU (talk) 22:24, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

it has been removedSuperaustin (talk) 21:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Both Kakashi's sabre and Sasuke's seal would be unusable but this is not the case as the sabre can always be repaired while Sasuke's cursed seal was removed and the only person who could give him another would be Orochimaru who is sealed though there might be a chance with Kabuto if he suceeds and acquires Orochimaru's techniques then he could give Sasuke another. Bottom line is the sabre can be repaired since only the blade was broken and Sasuke's seal is unusable as he can't get another at the moment.WolfMaster (talk) 03:28, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Kakashi's Raikiri
Aren't Raikiri and Chidori the same thing?Do they differ at all?


 * Just like the Rasenshuriken was derived from the Rasengan, the Raikiri was Derived from the Chidori. In short the Raikiri is a more powerfull version of the Chidori. ..--AlienGamer--Talk (contribs)-- 21:43, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Name meaning
Doesnt raikiri mean lightnin mist cuz rai means lightning and kri means mist so is the only reason its called lightning blade because kakashi cut a lightning in half Narutosagemaster (talk) 04:43, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * The kanji are different. 'Mist' in Japanese is written as 霧, while the kanji used in Raikiri is --ShounenSuki (talk 06:55, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

ANBU captain?
Where was it said that Kakashi had been an ANBU captain? --ShounenSuki (talk 21:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It didn't, and where it said that in the manga(i go by manga not anime, not sure what u go by) Im not sure. --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 22:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 * Yamato calls him Taichou (Captain) and if I am not mistaken, Hayate Gekko's Girlfriend, Yugao Uzuki (who is ANBU), also treats him as a superior (as one would treat a captain) in at the end of the Chuunin Exams Arc, in the episode with the Hokage Burial. - MadaraU (talk) 07:58, September 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * Kakashi was an ANBU captain. He was a superior to several other ANBU including Yamato and Yugao who served under him repeatedly. When protecting Sasuke in the hospital, he was able to hand pick several ANBU to protect him. He was also a squad leader.


 * Do you have any proof of that? --ShounenSuki (talk 00:10, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

If Yamato and Yugao both call Kakashi captain, and they are both ANBU, wouldn't that mean that he was a captain during his ANBU days? Besides, look at how much respect and connections he still has from ANBU.


 * Yes, that would mean that in my opinion. Now, do you have a source where they actually say that?
 * Respect and connections don't mean anything, though. He could have gotten those without being an ANBU captain. --ShounenSuki (talk 01:38, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * HEY! Are my posts written with white?! I said above: "Yamato calls him Taichou" What more do you need? And although I do not know an exact episode (although I am crazy enough to search for it) it happens in the Rasenshuriken training arc several times. - MadaraU (talk) 17:40, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Naruto calls Yamato "captain" in chapter 329. Maybe you're thinking of that? ~SnapperTo 18:01, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * What I want is a source. An episode or chapter, preferably with time index or page number, where Yamato or Yūgao calls Kakashi "captain". --ShounenSuki (talk 18:09, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that Naruto, along with all the other non-Jonin (minus Neji)or ANBU ninja have have only called Kakashi "sensei", including Iruka. Only other ANBU have actually called him "captain".

Well, i'm glad i wasn't the only one to hear sum ppl call him captain. But then again Tenzo might just have been referring to him being the captain of Team 7...--AlienGamer--Talk (contribs)-- 19:36, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * We're going around in circles here... Does anyone have an actual source? --ShounenSuki (talk 19:44, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Since this isn't an event, but rather instances when 2 characters talk to each other, its pretty hard to find the exact location. But MadaraU helped narrow down the instances by suggesting the rasen shuriken training period, so, give me a few hrs to go through that...--AlienGamer--Talk (contribs)-- 20:30, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm waiting patiently ^^ --ShounenSuki (talk 20:56, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yugao referred to Kakashi as her superior in episode 80 despite not having any affiliation with Kakashi's current team.
 * No she doesn't. She calls him . Senpai means neither captain nor superior. It only means someone entered an organisation or group before oneself; one's senior. --ShounenSuki (talk 01:01, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

We've already established over the past few days things like how Yugao and Yamato regard Kakashi as their superior and have served under him in the past, the latter even calling him captain during missions. While never actually said that he was a former captain, the previous information has repeatedly suggested that he was. What more do you want to add this to Kakashi's page?
 * ShounenSuki has said several times that he wants a source. Either find one that specifically says Kakashi was an ANBU captain (captain, not senior), or drop the subject. ~SnapperTo 02:47, September 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * As said before, Yamato served under Kakashi during his ANBU days.
 * No, he served with Kakashi. Since Kakashi had been with the ANBU longer, Yamato followed his orders. You are interpreting that as Kakashi having some special position. ~SnapperTo 03:11, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * You keep on saying that Yamato calls Kakashi "captain" and that Yamato and Yūgao served under him in the ANBU, yet you seem to have an awful lot of trouble providing proof for those statements. All I'm asking for is an instance where Yamato or Yūgao calls Kakashi.
 * Also, please sign your posts. --ShounenSuki (talk 17:19, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yare Yare! Well after a complete check (of the manga - Time Spent: 1 HOUR, page by page :-<) in the Rasenshuriken Training arc I have found no instance where Yamato calls Kakashi Taichou, and I have also searched some other arcs, but briefly. He always calls him Sempai. Dunno what to make of this. It is popular knowledge that Kakashi was ANBU captain, dunno from where exactly, but until searching it, I was willing to make a bet on this. There probably still is a great chance that somewhere in the many many non-filler episodes and manga chapters there is a hint that Kakashi was ANBU captain, but I cannot put my finger on it (the effort would be out of this world I think :) ). Guess the best thing is to search the Databooks (all three of them - surely something is said there about the ANBU period of Kakashi - I believe ShounenSuki has all three of them and can read Japanese). Because of this argument I can't even remember when it was SPECIFICALLY (that counts a lot on Narutopedia apparently) said that Kakashi was in the ANBU =)) (next thing we will begin to argue about that - God forbid it =)) - MadaraU (talk) 21:58, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry, there's plenty of proof that Kakashi was an ANBU once ^^ I'll recheck each and every possibly relevant page of all the databooks to look for some evidence of his captaincy. Shouldn't take too long. --ShounenSuki (talk 22:14, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * Good luck with that, I am keeping my fingers crossed! :D - MadaraU (talk) 06:29, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I read through every relevant page in all the databooks, and here are my findings:
 * Databook 1:
 * ANBU article: No mention of Kakashi;
 * Kakashi article: No mention of the ANBU;
 * Databook 2:
 * Yūgao article: No mention of Kakashi;
 * Kakashi article: No mention of the ANBU;
 * Databook 3:
 * Kakashi article: No mention of the ANBU;
 * Yamato article: Some mention of Kakashi, but nothing about him being an ANBU captain;
 * ANBU article: Mentions Kakashi being somewhat of a legend in the ANBU, nothing more;
 * Herobook:
 * Kakashi article: No mention of the ANBU;
 * Shinobi ranks article: No mention of the ANBU
 * Fanbook:
 * Kakashi article: Only mentions him having been an accomplished ANBU and how no records of that time survive. It does hint at him having been a ruthless ANBU that accomplished his many successful missions by any means necessary;
 * I'm afraid I couldn't find a single mention of him having led anyone while in the ANBU. I did find out that he's called because of all the techniques he can use and that Yamato not just admires Kakashi, but practically worships him. --ShounenSuki (talk 08:29, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahahaha now, I, am starting to admire you Shounen:D Nice, the thing with the Tricky Technician is totally new (I hope it gets put in the article) But first, is the fanbook something official such as being written by Masashi Kishimoto or with his approval? Because if it is, the part with the any means necessary seems strange (it resembles the old him -pre Obito death- too much) Anyways, good job, if there would be a small butai of ShounenSukis to do this for all characters it would be awesome:)))). - MadaraU (talk) 10:11, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * I try my best ^^
 * The fanbook was written by Kishimoto, just like the databooks. However, where the databooks focus on the characters and techniques, the fanbook focusses on background information that never really could be revealed in the manga. On my userpage is a link to the translations I did of some of the articles in the fanbook. It's worth a read.
 * That comment about Kakashi possibly using whatever means necessary to complete a mission was made in a part focussing on his fight with Zabuza. It was more hinting at him not hesitating to kill someone when needed than him abandoning his team-mates or something. It just means that when worse comes to call, Kakashi can be a ruthless, extremely dangerous shinobi. --ShounenSuki (talk 10:48, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

To sum it all up, are you say that almost certain he was or wasn't a captain? I looked around like MadaraU and while I also couldn't find any definite proof of his captaincy, I still have a strong belief that Kakashi was a captain from how other ANBU including Yamato and Itachi had such high respect if not treated him as a superior. (talk) 9:49, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm saying that there is no proof either way. His skill and the respect he's garnered hint that he might have been a captain, but there simply is no proof for it. --ShounenSuki (talk 13:56, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep :( He may not have been ANBU Captain, but he was ANBU Legend (better if you ask me >:) ) Shounen, I'll check your user page on the double for those translations mwahaha... do some for Madara as well :D!!! - MadaraU (talk) 14:24, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well hopefully Kakashi's captaincy will be proven as true in the near future; I have my fingers cross. It just seems wrong, and insult even, if a man of his prowess wasn't a former ANBU Captain, especially since he was considered an ideal candidate to be Hokage.

(talk) 10:27, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Tricky Tactician? Is that part in the article, if not please add that.Saimaroimaru (talk) 15:43, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Ninja Stats
Shouldnt we add the Ninja Stats from the Databooks since this is information about the person?--Deathreaper 18:14,1 September 2009
 * Already talked about this with Dantman and he gave me an explanation which I did not understand :), but apparently it will be done in the future. - MadaraU (talk) 07:53, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * "Future" equaling "When Character infoboxes are done (which won't be till after Jutsu infoboxes), and I don't feel too lazy to do this.", the intent is to write up something (probably js) that'll draw the stats graphics out, rather than maintain a huge pile of ugly image scans that can easily be replaced by free images. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 2, 2009 @ 17:18 (UTC)


 * I think it should be mentioned in Kakashi Gaiden section that he was 13 when he became a jonin.


 * Where does it say he was 13? ~SnapperTo 22:24, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * In the manga and anime (Shippuden 119). --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 22:28, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Which chapter specifically? I don't see any direct indication of his age. ~SnapperTo 22:40, September 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure the Databook said he was 13 when he became a Jonin. LeafNinja sure seems to believe so.


 * It was never stated directly, but Kakashi was 13 during the Kakashi Gaiden and he had just become a jōnin there. --ShounenSuki (talk 01:41, September 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * I assume you're basing that on Obito's age and a rough timeline of when the Third Ninja War occurred? ~SnapperTo 02:10, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

spinning sharingan
in the third movie of naruto didnt kakashi sharingan spin and maid that gard let him in?

Is that a new version of the sharingan that makes pepole do stu

It was probably just him using Genjutsu to make him let him through


 * the sharingan seems to spin every time it copies a technique or is using a technique that it has copied Fawcettp (talk) 07:59, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

when kakashi hypnotised zabua to do water style giant waterfall his sharingan start spinning zabuza asked if that his genjutsu illusion Sartorias (talk) 08:59, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

The spinning could definately be related to genjutsu, more specifically genjutsu that have something to do with hypnosis as patterned, spinning objects are the most recognized tools of hypnosis.WolfMaster (talk) 01:10, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Meaning
Is this in the kakashi Hatake article. Kakashi means 'Farmland' and Hatake means 'Scarecrow'.

--SOUVIK NASKAR (talk) 08:52, September 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * You can use the ctrl+f-function for such :3 From "Creation and Conception": When deciding upon Kakashi's name, Kishimoto considered a number of possibilities: Kuwa (クワ, Hoe), Kama (カマ, Scythe), Botan (ボタン, Peony), Enoki (エノキ, Nettle tree), and Kakashi (カカシ, Scarecrow). ~Hakinu (talk 13:24, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Real faces
It says in his trivia that only his and Tsunade's faces haven't been seen, but what about a bunch of ANBUs and rain ninja? Their faces aren't seen either.
 * I removed it, together with a couple of other points. --ShounenSuki (talk 22:24, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

i could have sworn it showed tsunade's face. either in the anime or the game but i cant remember it was when her and jiraiya were fighting orochimaru
 * Only her arm was seen if I remember correctly. Episode 96 by the way. Jacce | Talk 17:46, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

trivia
it's not mentioned in the article that sennen goroshi originated from a japanese prank called "kancho" 201.86.242.103 (talk) 18:12, September 24, 2009 (UTC)

kakashi as the sixth hokage?
we should consider that he could be the next hokage in the upcoming numbers, and there are many atributes thats support these event for example:

since danzo is now not respected by the other four kages and since he lefted the scene to escape like a scary cat insted of fihgting like the others and liked one of the kages said ones these is reported the village will not like wath he did.

now gaara will give the information of the great shinobi allaince to kakashi oubsly he will tale the elder´s of the village, if we add the following facts: danzo is removed from his placed from the sixth hokage kakashi is very respected by at list 3 of the other 4 kages and is also the one who the trust in these moment he has a huge reputation especially for his father he was considered to be the sith hokage before danzo talked and is a ninja that the entire village is willing to follow more then danzo

i think that is very probably that he will be the next hokage insted of danzo.

ofcouerse there is the question about where did danzo went after runing away from the summit of kages, will stunade retake her position of hoakge ones she awagees

Takuya Uzumaki.


 * We'll have to wait and see...--AlienGamer--Talk (contribs)-- 01:28, October 18, 2009 (UTC)

ANBU Kakashi
I dont know, i guess we should give ANBU Kakashi a respective page......because, in games he appears as anbu kakashi, we sould do this like Byakugan Hinata or Awakened Hinata... Re007wazhere 10:37 (I think)


 * His abilities aren't actually different, are they? Besides, Awakened Hinata could feasibly be combined with the main Hinata article. ~SnapperTo 18:04, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * On a side-note, to sign the message, write ~ instead of manually writing in your name :3 ~Hakinu (talk 18:08, November 14, 2009 (UTC)

How is it underhanded to say that Yamato and Yugao Uzuki served under Kakashi during his ANBU days when they did? He was their Senpai.


 * My mind is not what it once was, but didn't a previous discussion take issue with calling them his students and etc.? ~SnapperTo 19:34, November 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * I never said that he was a captain, just that Yugao and Yamato served under him. Steveo920


 * There is no proof of that either. --ShounenSuki (talk 21:23, November 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Whoa i don't no about Yugao but Yamato aka Tenzo stated he served under kakashi around the time of his character introduction or maybe it was tsunada but it was stated.--Kyoto0 (talk) 19:45, February 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * You need to be more specific than that, because I couldn't find anything like that. --ShounenSuki (talk 20:05, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

doesn't the ANBU page say there are no official ranks in ANBU, rather the position of captain is determined by merit and experience? Wouldn't this prove Kakashi was a captain as it was previously stated that Kakashi was a well respected by Yamato, legendary ANBU, etc. 98.156.72.241 (talk) 04:58, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless Kakashi refused to become captain or quite the ANBU before they could make him one. --ShounenSuki (talk 14:55, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Fire Nature?
This is kind of a dumb question but doesn't kakashi have fire nature since his eye is from Obito and Obito had an affinity for fire? Because Hidan stated if someone takes a body part from someone they get that nature. Help Im Confused. Kon lover123 (talk) 23:35, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm fairly certain Hidan was only talking about hearts. --ShounenSuki (talk 23:37, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Water Release: Underwater Motion Technique
I noticed on that jutsu page Kakashi is listed but on Kakashi's list of jutsu its not on the list, will someone add the jutsu to the list of jutsu he can use.Saimaroimaru (talk) 07:42, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. By the way, did he use it in the manga or was it anime only? Jacce | Talk 07:47, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

I'll go check back and see.Saimaroimaru (talk) 04:09, November 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * You can removed the anime label from it, here is the manga page where he uses it.http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/142/11/Saimaroimaru (talk) 20:45, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Jacce | Talk 15:46, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

This is stupid. Last time I checked, underwater motion is just called swimming. It isn't a jutsu. DemonFoxsCloak (talk) 06:18, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

New Trivia item
Not sure about the manga, but in the anime at least, Naruto often calls Kakashi the "Kaka sensei". Kaka, in a lot of Asian languages is a slang for poo, and it's another example of Naruto showing disrepect for his superiors/elders. It's very distinct and I'm sure it's done on purpose.

I think it'd be of interest to add this trivia to the page.

Is Japanese included in these languages? Otherwise it doesn't seem relevant, since Naruto speaks Japanese only (in the Japanese anime). Side-note: Please sign your messages with ~ ~Hakinu (talk 12:26, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Two things:
 * Naruto might not be the most respectful character, but calling someone names like that is beyond even him. Naruto is more familiar-disrespectful than hateful-disrespectful.
 * I think you might simply be mishearing Naruto. In Japanese, the i-sound is often silent at the end of words and the sh-sound would merge with the s-sound in sensei. Kakashsensei would sound almost the same as Kaka-sensei.
 * --ShounenSuki (talk 17:28, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Hakinu: it's pretty much universal slang for poo. even in Japan. why else would I bring it up? duh. shounensuki: you don't read or heard the original Japanese then? there are tons more mature language in there that gets filtered by the translation. After all, this is someone who'd come up with the harem sexy jutsu and even than is blurred out with a cloud/fog in the English versions. I think it's pretty naive to believe it's out of the scope of possibility. However, the surest way to know is for someone to get the original Japanese Manga and check it to see if it's written down anywhere.
 * I always read the original Japanese version. Japanese simply isn't that crude a language or culture. Naruto never used Kaka-sensei in the manga and I've never seen or heard kaka being used as slang for fæces in Japanese. It is used as a female name, though, and as a childish way of saying mother. I doubt it is used offensively in Japanese. --ShounenSuki (talk 13:32, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * I would like to point out, I was going to say that ShounenSuki translates databooks, but I felt it would be better to get the point across if you offended him, and he came back and made you look foolish. As someone who has seen the majority of Japanese episodes of Naruto, I can also say I have never heard him say Kaka-sensei.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 13:58, November 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * I know what he referrs to, but what I hear is 'Kakai', with the i being just slight. This answers to what Shounen said about silent letters. ~Hakinu (talk 00:20, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * I know what you are referring to, but i think its just naruto cutting off the back end of his name, as many people do in everyday life. i have a sister named "alison" and i am the only person in her entire life that dosnt just say "ali". --SkyFlicker (talk) 23:38, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

As I am new to this site, and just created this username to comment on this sorry if I am doing something wrong. But the other day while reading up on Japanese honorifics, I read something about, the wiki example was "a young girl as a sign of self-arrogance" or something along the lines of that, will sometimes refer to them selves by adding a honorific on the end of their own name and sometimes dropping a common suffix, I think Naruto just drops the (what i think is a common japanese suffix, prove me wrong if i am) "shi" from the end of his name. Example: Kaka-San if he wasn't a Master of a certain art form, hence "Kaka-Sensei"--OodamaRasengan808 (talk) 05:49, September 9, 2011 (UTC)OodamaRasengan808

kakashi rank
How is it that kakashi bcame a jonin at 13 but later on he becomes a ANBU and then years later he becomes a jonin again, how does he go from jonin to anbu thats going back a rank?Efresh12 (talk) 12:39, December 13, 2009 (UTC)Efresh12
 * Actually, the ANBU rank is completely separate from the normal shinobi ranks. He didn't go back a rank, nor did he get promoted. He simply switched from the regular forces to the special ANBU forces and back again. --ShounenSuki (talk 15:35, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Hokage
Now that Danzo betrayed the kages at the summit, like Yamato said he's now acting as the Hokage so shouldn't he be put as Hokage? Sanders-sama (talk) 14:52, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * He is not Hokage yet. When he is appointed by the jōnin council, he will be a Hokage. Then we will put him as Hokage. Jacce | Talk 14:53, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

What number Hokage would he be?
Would he be the "real" sixth or the seventh hokage? This I think is a good question to ask considering he's actually going to be while Danzo is busy with pointless crap. Yamato actually is spear heading this whole thing for him and he has witnesses to attest to that. But, since Danzo was only half appointed anyway, wouldn't that make Kakashi the real sixth?

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Although it is too early to call him Hokage, if he were appointed the next Hokage, he would be the sixth as Danzo was never "officially" made Hokage, he was only "acting" as the Hokage. In order to be officially made Hokage, you have to complete all of the following steps:

- Get nominated by the council - Be approved by the council - Obtain the majority Jonin vote. - Inaugerated at the Hokage ceremony. (I think this last step applies...)

So yeah, Danzo was never officially the sixth, so the next Hokage would become the sixth. Gojinn (talk) 02:37, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

The youngest to...
Am I right to say that he is the youngest ever ninja that we know of to gratuate the academy, to become a chunin and a jonin? (5, 6 and 13 respectiviliy)
 * You are probably correct in saying he is the youngest to graduate from the Academy, at least that we know of. He is not the only person to have become a chūnin at six, though, and if I am not mistaken, he is the only person of whom we know the age that they became a jōnin. Saying he is the youngest jōnin might be a bit premature. --ShounenSuki (talk 22:40, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe we know when Neji, Kankuro and Temari became jōnin, but it's not as young as Kakashi. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:48, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * Who else has become a Chunin at 6?. Itachi became it at 10 I belive Sanders-sama (talk) 22:59, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems rather unfair to compare the younger generation with the older generation in this case...
 * Any way, Yamato because a chūnin at age six. --ShounenSuki (talk 23:37, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Naruto Icha Icha
"Kakashi felt humiliated when he realized that Naruto hasn't read past the first ten pages, and that he was tricked." When did it say that Naruto only read the first ten pages? There was nothing like that in the manga.--Enoki911 (talk) 04:36, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was anime only. Jacce | Talk 06:36, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * That contradicts the manga though (I think). In the Invasion of Pain src, when Naruto is decoding the message on Fukasaku's back, he says that he regularly proofread it. He would have likely read more than ten pages, if he was honestly proofreading it. I suppose that perhaps he only read the first ten pages of the finished novel, but other than that, it seems contradictory. Any explanations?--Enoki911 (talk) 05:55, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Its possible that he began to read the book after his fight with Kakashi--98.211.195.17 (talk) 01:50, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Sharingan Slipup
Whats with Kakashi's Sharingan switching from left eye to right eye, is that a slip up or did Kishimoto just get bored or whatr? CSE 1/4/2010
 * Would you mind leave an example? Jacce | Talk 10:58, January 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant after the time skip his Sharingan switches from his left (Part I) to right (Part II), at least in the anime I don't read the manga so I can't it happens in them! CSE 1/4/2010 7:19pm
 * That is not an example. Also Sign your comments with, ~ . Simant (talk) 03:04, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Other than an occasional scene where his Sharingan is perhaps in the wrong eye, it is still in the left (see various Part II anime images in the article). Are you confusing his right for your right? ~SnapperTo 03:06, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Earth Release: Underground Projection Fish Jutsu
For Kakashi, that was anime only. I can't seem to edit his jutsu, so someone has to. Jules R. J. Blake (talk) 02:53, January 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * ? ~SnapperTo 03:44, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's not the same technique. Notice how Kakashi does disrupt the ground around him, he doesn't just smoothly pop out. Even in the actual jutsu's page it's listed as Anime only for Kakashi. Same deal with Yamato. Jules R. J. Blake (talk) 10:39, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just playing devil's advocate. You want Infobox:Kakashi Hatake. ~SnapperTo 18:30, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia
Kakashi, possessing the Sharingan, is one of four people to possess a kekkei genkai despite not being a member of the appropriate clan, the others being Tenzo, Danzō, and Ao.. In response to that I put Of the four he is the only one to have his full name revealed. Why does someone keep deleting that?--Nintendo-Fan (talk) 08:21, January 18, 2010 (UTC)Nintendo-Fan
 * Maybe because 1: it might not be true and 2: it is absolutely pointless and irrelevant. --ShounenSuki (talk 08:28, January 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * 1. whats you're proof? and 2. it's trivia it's not that important, it's just interesting little facts.--Nintendo-Fan (talk) 19:03, January 18, 2010 (UTC)Nintendo-Fan


 * The burden of proof is on you here. Show me some proof that these characters actually have family names which just aren't revealed yet. prove that their full names are not yet revealed. --ShounenSuki (talk 00:42, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Shounen on this one. Just because their names are not revealed doesn't mean anything. Take Hiruzen Sarutobi for example. Should we put on his trivia: For all of Part I, he was called by his last name Sarutobi or just Hokage-sama --Kracel (talk) 21:33, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Acting Hokage
Isnt Kakashi now asctiing as 6th Candidate hokage? Sanders-sama (talk) 16:11, February 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Until he reaches Konoha and someone point blank tells him "Yo, Danzos ded u da 6th hokage son!!!11!" he's just a guy running around the woods with a boy.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 17:26, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Debut
Is it just me or can Kakashi be seen in chapter one on page 22?

http://www.narutoget.com/page/2-read-manga-online/

ShieldmaidenI live by honor and die like a warrior 21:22, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's just you. He may have a mask and spiky hair but he doesnt use his mask to cover his eye. Also, please get rid of the image links in your signature, as well as the "i live by..." stuff. Simant (talk) 21:30, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

I just thoght that perhaps it was logical for him to be there. I know it just looked like him from the back, but he is one of Konoha's greatest shinobi, and since the scroll of sealing is one of Konoha's most important treasures I thought it logical to be one of those dispatched.

Shieldmaiden(talk) 21:53, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

kish making kakashi sharingan special ability?
I not truly stating I am simply wondering only because even thought they are few in numbers no else with sharingan besides kakashi has copy a jutsu. Yes i do remember sasuke copy lee leaf shadow as simply as that was and i do understand you need to have the skill and ability to do the jutsu. However, it seem after the time skip kakashi the only sharingun user that copy jutsu. And with the new information of itachi BF having the ability to control minds or in other words send suggestive thought to the opponents head. Just make me wonder what ability do the other users have? Can look in to this plz. By: --Kyoto0 (talk) 08:39, February 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * In other words, genjutsu, for what you said, sending suggestive thoughts to opponents head. I dont know what youre trying to ask. But kakashi has Kamui, As for itachi's Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi, I dont know how one possesses it, I think its unknown. But its different for each sharingan user. The reason sasuke now has Susanoo and ameratasu is because itachi implanted it into sasuke.--Shelldone (talk) 13:28, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Okay too better explain what i mean Shisui could manipulate other people's thoughts without them being aware of it.That was a ability exclusive to him. So other sharingun should have a move exclusively to them too. And since no other sharingun has been seen copying a jutsu in naruto but kakashi could kish be making copying ninjutsu kakashi eclusive ability. highly unlikly but hey i'm just saying--Kyoto0 (talk) 19:40, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Kakashi's Mangekyo Sharingan = Obito's Mangekyo Sharingan?
I don't know if this has been brought up before, but something I've realised is this: the Sharingan that Kakshi has was gained from Obito, right? Well if that's the case, than would all of the Sharingan abilities (Manngekyo Sharingan and Kamui) technically also be considered Obito's? I realise that since Obito never did and never will use those abilities, they can't be mentioned on his article, but since Kakshi's sharingan's features (Kamui and Mangekyo design) are exclusive to him, and his sharingan is actually Obito's, wouldn't those features also technically be considered Obito's? It's sorta complicated, and I'm bad at explaining things, but it's sorta like Shisui's and Danzo's sharingan?--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 20:56, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Like you said, Obito himself never used those, so they're not listed as his. The eye belonged to Obito, but since he never activated the Mangekyō Sharingan (or even a three tomoe Sharigan), we don't list him as having it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:02, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * The reasoning is faulty, as well, although it seems to be correct at first glance. The design of the Mangekyō Sharingan seems to be unique to the person wielding it, so it could very well be that if Obito had activated the Mangekyō Sharingan, he would have had a different design. As for Kamui, that seems to have been a matter of training, rather than which Mangekyō Sharingan one has. It is highly unlikely that Obito would have trained for the Kamui as Kakashi did, especially considering that Obito would have had access to Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi like all other normal Mangekyō Sharingan users. --ShounenSuki (talk 21:10, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure I agree with ShounenSuki's justification, as I think the Mangekyo is unique to every sharingan, not every person, so if Obito were to have survived and activated the mangekyo then it probably would have been the same design. But we can't list that on Obito's page simply because we don't know for sure. I could be right, ShounenSuki could be right... but because it hasn't been expressed in the Manga, we can't be sure. All we know is that this is all true for Kakashi. The rest is just mere speculation. Gojinn (talk) 15:13, March 16, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I never meant for it to be added to Obito's Abilities section. I just thought it would make some decent trivia, like "Due to the source of Kakashi's Sharingan, his Mangekyo Sharingan could be considered Obito's as well". I mean, the Sharingan is Obito's biologically, isn't it? It's like Shisue's Sharingan transplanted into Danzo's eye socket.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 02:50, March 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * The difference is that Shisui actually used that Sharingan and its unique abilities, while Obito died long before he could ever have even dreamt of trying to possibly attempt to activate his Mangekyō Sharingan. --ShounenSuki (talk 08:38, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

I know that, but it is still Obito's eye biologically. Kakashi merely unlocked its abilities (more or less). I never wanted the Kamui, Mangekyo Sharingan, and so-on to be Obito's article. I just think it would be worth a mention in Kakashi and/or Obito's trivia.--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 19:27, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Although I can see where you're coming from, it really can't be added to the trivia sections of either characters. The trivia sections contain facts about that character, not interesting speculations. Look at it another way. If what you're saying is true, then the Eternal Mangekyo would make no sense. Consider Madara's E.M.S, as they are Izuna's eye(s) then the Mangekyo should really only take Izuna's form and not a combination of his and Izunas because, genetically and biologically, they are Izuna's eye(s). It wouldn't be possible for a copy of Madara's M.S to form on the eyes. Gojinn (talk) 14:58, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well, that's the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, a fusion of two Eternal Mangekyo Sharingans. I'm talking about just the normal Mangekyo Sharingan. Because Kakashi had no sharingan before getting Obito's eye (only a damaged normal eye), the Mangekyo Sharingan design had nothing to fuse with. Because of that, it would take on the design that the original user had (or in this case, would have had).--Kagi mizu -Seeya  'round ~ 14:46, March 24, 2010 (UTC)

That's not what I meant though. If something is said to be genetic or biological, it means that it's design/construction is built into the DNA of that body part. If that were true for the Mangekyo, fusing the two Mangekyo designs would be impossible as the eye itself has no prior knowledge of the holders own Mangekyo design. This would mean that all E.M.S's would have the design of the former host's M.S, not a fused form of the two. So assuming that the Mangekyo is a genetic/biological trait rather than a jutsu trait would create flaws. Not enough is known about the M.S to assume these things so we can't make conclusions like this. Gojinn (talk) 17:16, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

About kakashi being hokage
ok so we see that people call kakashi the acting hokage and the reason for not being added here maybe because its not official but what if it doesn't get official ? what if they keep calling him from time to time "your the hokage do something" even when he talked to naruto and yamato he said "As a acting hokage ......bla bla bla " i think it has to be updated to acting hokage (the profile i mean) and yamato is going to konoha so yeah he will tell people that kakashi is the hokage --Petar93 (talk) 08:58, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * The way I see it, Kakashi assumed the role of acting Hokage under the assumption that no-one in Konoha would be opposed. However, even Kakashi himself notes that the people of Konoha need to be informed. Right now, Kakashi isn't Hokage, he's just acting as if he was. He's a pretender to the title, in a way. --ShounenSuki (talk 09:08, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Until the council say otherwise, Kakashi is simply "assuming" the role of Hokage. The other villages agreed during the conclusion of the five kage summit that they will treat Kakashi as if he were the Hokage and Kakashi accepted this once the Kazekage informed him. Hopefully, once Kakashi returns to the village, things will be made more clear about his title. So for the time being it's best to leave his status as "Jonin" until it's stated otherwise. Gojinn (talk) 14:45, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Has anyone else noticed that Kakashi actually debuts in chapter 1?
On page 21 in chapter 1 of Naruto, on the fifth panel to the left Kakashi is in the background. It doesn't introduce him, but it's pretty obvious that it's Kakashi. I'm kind of surprised that people noticed Sasuke sitting behind Naruto, but not Kakashi in the background of that panel. What's happening at the moment is that Naruto has just stolen the scroll from the Hokage's house and everyone is chasing after to get it back, and Kakashi is running after him too. So, here's saying we should change the debut thing in his information to Chapter 1 instead of Chapter 3. 70.249.155.190 (talk) 19:39, March 27, 2010 (UTC)Katie


 * I looked the chapter you stated and I found the person you're talking about. that is not Kakahsi as Kakashi has his left eye covered. That character does not. <font color="#0000A0"> ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 19:46, March 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Kakashi uncovers his sharingan in preperation for a battle, and a battle was what everyone was expecting. It fits. DemonFoxsCloak (talk) 18:15, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Everytime Kakashi has removed his headband it was to fight highly class ninja. In the situation present it was to find a child who just so happened to steal the forbidden scroll. That in no way requires Kakashi to remove his headband. <font color="#0000A0"> ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 18:19, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd say this makes for a nice trivia point, but I don't think it is definite enough to change Kakashi's debut. --ShounenSuki (talk 18:21, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Chapter 294
I think it would be nice if we could upload the cover page from chapter 294 for his appearance section. - S im A nt 23:21, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

i do not think that covers are used like images --Petar93 (talk) 06:06, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ninja clash in the land of snow
Just throwing this out here... but where was it stated that he was an anbu when he was rescuing the princess. He is not wearing an anbu mask, i mean he might have been an anbu at that time... but he is not wearing a mask in that photo, kinda how yamato is an off-duty anbu. - S im A nt 16:26, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Capitalization Errors
There's a lot of them in the Invasion of Konoha arc section--98.211.195.17 (talk) 16:43, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Apperance????
Is that picture of Kakashi without a mask authentic? Because i have never see such a picture in the manga DevilN (talk) 21:51, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * File:Half Face Kakashi.png. ~SnapperTo 22:01, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

David Bowie
I noticed some time ago while reading a Naruto Manga and listening to a Biography on David Bowie that Kakashi's eyes look somewhat like David Bowie's. And I know what your going to say," Masashi Kishimoto has never stated nor wrote that there is any is a link to David Bowie and Kakashi, therefore cannot be considered canon." While this is true, think about it for a second. Both Kakashi and Bowie have had their left eye injured. One eye is permanently dialated. Although, contrary to what the general public believes, Bowies eye is not a different color, which is the only difference between them. --Otacon1514 (talk) 08:16, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * ♪ He is not David Bowie ♪ --ShounenSuki (talk 08:29, June 29, 2010 (UTC)