Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-36006024-20180926134241/@comment-31099706-20181023161205

Ninja Of War wrote: @Blaze

@Combat said most of the points that I wanted to say, so please address them. If you still don't see the light, then I really don't know what to tell you. Try reading the fight in the manga again, looking at the abilities, outcomes and motivations for each character. Right now, the manga doesn't agree with you. I will address it and I take it that you value it as your points too. And I actually intended to counter it yesterday, but unfortunately I mistakingly deleted the statement mid way without saving it.... So now I have to write it down again....

What's this talk about the light? Are you that full of yourself that you consider yourself absolutely right, even when I'm pointing the flaws in it?

Motivations: Bee:First defeating Taka, his motivation changed to escaping and faking himself being caught as soon as the Amaterasu appeared. If you deny that, then you're going against the Manga again.

Taka: Capturing B. Surving against B.

Abilities: Taka: An unrecovered and held back Sasuke with a swordsman and CM user, who are also holding back and lack immensely in info.

B: Healing, experience, and the clear advantage in location and having the freedom of going all out against Tama.

Outcomes: Taka failed in mission, yet survived against the Eight Tails Jinchuriki without prior info or a stable state in the beginning.

Bee escaped, which for you gives a win? Then I guess Madara won against Hashirama long ago since he came back alive leaving the clone for Hashi. B himself confirmed that Sasuke was the strongest guy he fought. You agreeing with Combat means that you're also against it, and it as in the Manga.

Also, what exactly have I said that goes against the manga? Please tell me specifically what I said and a chapter in the manga with the actual feat. Otherwise, my observation that you are immature to project your actions to me, stands.

You agreed to Combat and denied the fact that B escaped Taka and declared that as a win. You stated that Taka's lack of info and intent and Sasuke's unrecovered not being an influence in the battle, when it was hinted over it. It doesn't just go beyond the Manga but even against Logic. Like come on?

@Combat. I find it funny that we keep having silly debates like this on this very character in threads that aren't even related to it. Just find it funny.

Now to the debate.

You used headcanons, you can't also vouch for yourself on that. Your headcanon that B fought against Minato several times rather the one time they encountered was false. A didn't even bring B to the one fight they had with Minato together.

One thing, A's Armour didn't block the Amaterasu. Gaara's Sand did though, and Sasuke wasn't surprised with it. He praised that Gaara's Sand Armour has gotten better, as in the speed. So it means, Gaara's sands probably burning down slowly until he let's go of the sand that's directly touching the flame. Or maybe, it's because it's part of the Earth. The ground Amaterasu stands in, don't burn away fast too.

Either way, Bee's version two cloak is just made of hard failed beast flesh, flesh that was easily cut by Sasuke's sphere, so I doubt it can handle itself from Amaterasu.

Gyuki's own words, not mine. Maybe they got stronger, maybe B had more control. on his Chakra, maybe Gyuki

just remold his Chakra when it's gone, just like Kurama does for Naruto. Or maybe the Substitution technique costs more Chakra, Orchimaru's Oral rebirth did for Sasuke.

Gyuki literally said that his Chakra is done, not just B's. Killer B's source of Chakra is Gyuki.

Sasuke also didn't use all of his jutsus, he didn't use Chidori Sphere, or Kirin that could be more possible with the Amaterasy being used.

Sasuke could have stabbed a hole in B's neck while he was caught in the genjutsu instead of just standing there because he didn't know about B's powers.

Sasuke's genjutsu caught B mid flight. Amaterasu caught B. B recovering from that Chidori isn't a big feat considering he has tailed beast Chakra, Naruto eecovered from getting a hole in his chest.

Bee is overrated alot. Like alot. I've seen people state that B is still stronger than Sasuke in the Boruto Period. There are many idiots in the fanbase, that don't prefer Sasuke and enjoy on overating B so to make 'insult' an anime character. There are alot of Killer B fanboys out there just because he handled against Taka.

And the writer made the fight for an humble experience for the Sasuke fans, now that's just childish? The writer himself stated that Sasuke is his favorite character, and he already stated through Jugo and even B how you much the fight was different from your assumption and headcanons.

Killer B didn't need any intel. The advantage of experience and mystery was for him. While Taka didn't know a thing about B. Taka didn't have any myterious power that gave them the advantage other than Amaterasu, which actually is famous in the Shinobi world.

Enough with your headcanons. A was the only one who fought against Minato more than once. B didn't even hinted to meeting Minato more than once.

Hypocrisy, really? Itachi found a fleshless skin leftover of Sasuke and found him below, by your and @Ninja's logic, Sasuke won with that. He didn't find a dupiclate of Sasuke and it didn't stay for days. While B's stood for days without returning to normal, without being figured by Kisame nor Obito, nor Karin. What's the bs logic behind that?

And takking about hypocrisy, I suggest you take a look at your statements. You denied the fact that Taka having no intel on B, not having any killing intent on him, and Sasuke not recovering as having no influence to this battle even though Jugo and Killer B admitted to it. So, would you say the same about Itachi and Naruto who fought against Sasuke, would you say that the battle was as it is, and that the health, intent and motive of them didn't bring much difference to the fight? I doubt you would.

Killer fakes it with Substitution, tries to escape, gets noticed, this time his chakra is down and he doesn't have much surprises left that comes in cheap. Taka either kills him or actually capture him alive, those are the only two possibitlies. Of course you can argue that Killer B comes out of the water and magically regains all of his stamina and is still protected by the plot.

Well the injuries would be, getting a hit from a death knock our genjutsu, Tsukuyomi, getting hit by Amaterasu, using the CM, getting Orochimaru extracted from his body, and being close to the explosion coming from Kirin unprotected. Why are you going against the Manga all the time? Jugo's statement literally shows how the Injuries were seriously affecting the battle, he wouldn't have said that if it wasn't for that.

And no, Karin and Jugo are great healers and all, but they aren't tailed beasts. In the Danzo vs Sasuke battle, Karin stated how even after getting healed from her Uzumaki Chakra Bite thing, Sasuke needed to rest and wasn't even fit for a Chidori. That's the thing, Tailed Beast Jinchuriki's like B and Naruto get healed from their stamina to their wounds instantly. While ordinary characters have to deal with getting blows and fighting on with their condition.

Um, now you're just trying to put words into my mouth. When have I ever said that Sasuke didn't aim the Amaterasu at B for real? He did it as a self defence act, if you read the manga, you'll see B trying to kill them all with his Tailed Beast Ball, Sasuke did what he did as a succesful lucky defence attack that worked. He learned about his other power to stop the flames and so found out that he can still accomplish the mission. Was that not simple?

Killer B suddenly knew that Sasuke has a technique to cut off his tentecle? He really got lucky there.

You're here telling me that B was 'trolling' Taka, ignoring points afte points such as B going for the kill the whole time, him admitting that Sasuke was the toughest guy he fought so far? No, you need to know that that's something that Killer B fanboys act as.

Rofl, I think I'm remembering having a debate similar to this. Sasuke used Chidori dodging Ayy's direct attack, that actually scratches his Armour, A literally praised him for it. And lol, A did a Liger Bomb, that Sasuke literally tanked with Susanoo, thus balancing the rounds lol, A used his armour and Sasuke his. And lmao, no, just no, A only managed to survive Amaterasu the first Amaterasu attack, because he had prior intel on everything about Sasuke. Yet, he got his hand on Amaterasu. If C wasn't there, his hand would bleed off after he cut off his hand. And this is just too much lol, no Raikage is not whatever you're imagining him to be, he would get engulfed in those flames from foot to head, it's funny how fanboys that don't prefer Sasuke usually say that Sasuke would have died, while A miracuasly will survive flames that he can't get of from his foot to head. A wanted to give up his life to end the life of the guy his brother killed, and so did Sasuke.

So other than going against the manga, logic and going against actual physics of a character. I see nothing is different here. Sorry for the late post though, things just to start to get busier.