Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-32832770-20170812151353/@comment-734582-20170818151311

Mr. Grave wrote: It doesn't mean that he wasn't in full control. I know you're basing Juubi control off of what we saw from Madara, but the truth is Madara fought Naruto and Sasuke for a few minutes only until Black Zetsu backstabbed him. We did see Madara being hit by a Lava Rasenshuriken and not having all his Biju ripped out, even though a simple Majestic Susanoo slash did the same for obito.

I think it's fairly evident that Obito's grasp over the Juubi was inferior to Madara's, and that it resulted in some of the major differences we saw. For instance, how easily Obito's beasts were removed, or that he couldn't Kamui himself in any way.

Kaguya didn't get the same effect until hit by the chakra of all nine biju in a specialized attack, only when she was getting low and even then quickly regained control. But like i said, Obito losing control violates the terms of the Versus. Ergo, he simply cannot lose control.

This takes away Naruto's main mechanism of winning, and quite frankly i don't see The Last naruto winning this in any way.