Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26822192-20200512085001/@comment-43403813-20200530105731

UltimaDude wrote: Halcyonite wrote: Things don't have to be outright stated to be obvious, this being in terms of just Indra and Ashura. By logical deduction, you should understand that Indra and Ashura would be chakra-monsters, since they both are children of Hagoromo, who is a child of Kaguya. Kaguya had all chakra, and then this chakra began to spread and dilute down the "family tree" shall we say. Given that Indra and Ashura are literally her grandchildren, its safe to say that they both would have a gargantuan amount of chakra, and it's been said many times that they had feuded in their time, just like Hashirama v Madara, and just like Naruto v Sasuke.

That alone should put them at least in the category of "strong".

Besides, we're at an impasse. There's nothing that shows any reincarnates being weak either. By logic, most (if not all) of the reincarnates would be strong. What type of logic is this? The very fact that Naruto became as powerful as he was prior to meeting Hagoromo solely because of Kurama outright destroys the notion that reincarnates are inherently powerful. Heck, along with Naruto, Sasuke and Madara used someone else's power (the eyes of their brothers) to strengthen their own. Out of the four, only Hashirama became strong on his own. So, the idea that reincarnates are inherently powerful doesn't hold

Also, the reincarnates feuding over and over again has nothing to do with how powerful they are.

Just saw this now.

Naruto relying on Kurama for power parallels what Ashura did. He relied on others to boost his strength, whilst Indra got powerful on his own.

You're taking it too literally. Ashura willingly got help from the villagers of the town he saved from the Divine Tree. Do you think Itachi offered Sasuke his eyeballs? No, Sasuke just took them for himself. He didn't receive the "help" from Itachi that you're thinking of. It's obviously been portrayed that the Ashura reincarnates seek cooperation for strength, whilst the Indra reincarnates seek power for strength. It's also why you constantly see visuals of Naruto with his friends stood next to him, and Sasuke on his own. You don't see Naruto surrounded by corpses, Hinata lying on the floor with her eyes gone, and Naruto possessing the Byakugan. It was always about that cooperation that made the Ashura reincarnates inherently powerful.

Same goes for Hashirama and Madara. Hashirama created a village and everyone loved and supported him with it. Madara was shunned by the Uchiha clan into isolation, and he actively sought power to realise his plans. You get what I mean.