Talk:A (Fourth Raikage)

As the article states, we don't know how many there have been, so why are four listed? I don't remember the 3rd ever being mentioned in that story, and why does i say the supposed 4th is the strongest?

--8th Mizukage 02:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Height
Could some1 please correct that?(in cm?)

We can't correct it because we don't really know how tall he actually is. He doesn't seem that much taller than his fellow worker ninja. Either that or the ninja is actually really tall as well.

Separate Page
I say we should separate the "current Raikage" and the "Raikage" (the title in general) into different pages. Yatanogarasu


 * Like that? @.@ Hakinu talk 11:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Where did this kuro-tsu come from?Vmejia (talk) 08:09, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Picture
Is it possible to get the picture for this guy with him preparing for the Kage summit wheres he's crouched down on one knee with the 2 other guys beside him
 * Why? --ShounenSuki (talk 18:47, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Because it's more evocative of him, he's in his kind of battle dress, hes angry, i think it would suit this profile better than him in traditional Kage outfit--24.7.129.249 (talk) 18:58, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Not really, i tihnk in his hat and robes is more fitting representing him as a Kage

Clash Picture
I believe it suits as a good picture. It shows the clash between the two and beside their is no pictures at all in the history section thus making it kinda dol. --Gojita (talk) 14:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Gojita


 * It has two problems: One, it is still unnecessary, it's just showing that two people are about to fight...happens all the time. And two, the large fansubbed translation in the middle kills it. Removing the text from the chat bubble goes only so far.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 15:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Lightning
I think the raikage has lightning style. I saw on the chapter 460 at the end he had lightning covering him it was something like chidori nagashi. Kyuubinaruto123 (talk) 10:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It is already in the article. Jacce | Talk 14:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

raikage kills zetsu
The article had stated that the raikage kills zetsu, but that would be an assumption as we don't know what his fate is.I made an edit so that it states he choked zetsu and he fell unmoving to the floor.--cobra (talk) 19:54, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Flying Thunder God Technique
Shi stated that Raikage is going to use this technique to counter Sasuke's attack (chapter 463 p. 09), so this technique shouldn't be in his jutsu box? --Kiba91 (talk) 21:11, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Shi said that the Raikage was as fast as the jutsu, not that he used it. Jacce | Talk 21:16, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * So you say he's only as faast has hs jutsu. Key word jutsu now shouldnt every jutsu be put up. The human body itself can only go so fast so saying he;s is only as fast as his jutsu is stpud and alomost like saying your only as fast as your body can go when you open chakra gates.
 * Good job completely misconstruing what he said. A year ago. ~SnapperTo 02:34, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Nintaijutsu?
Is there enough information to warrant an article on Raikage's nintaijutsu? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:08, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Nintaijutsu sounds like nothing more than a combination of ninjutsu and taijutsu. Like Naruto's Uzumaki Naruto Combo or Clone Body Blow. --ShounenSuki (talk 19:04, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * If not an article, it should be given at least a good paragraph both in taijutsu and ninjutsu articles. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:12, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, there's a slight problem: what will we say about it? We never heard anything about this before. All techniques we've seen before have been classified as either ninjutsu or taijutsu. I can't recall a single technique that was classified as both. --ShounenSuki (talk 19:21, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't have to be much, we don't have much information on it, but as long as we write it out ok, I see no problem. We might also get some more info on upcoming chapters, this could be Sage Mode all over again, thought I doubt nintaijutsu will be as relevant to the plot and properly elaborated as Sage Mode and Senjutsu was. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:29, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * To me, the Raikage's attacks are to his armor what Mega Palm Thrust is to the Multi-Size Technique: using the taijutsu is dependent on a ninjutsu, but there isn't necessarily a combined nintaijutsu style. ~SnapperTo 22:27, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

dark-skinned ?
Isn´t it racist to describe the Raikage as dark-skinned while other characters skin color isn´t?Memo$ (talk) 06:48, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Wat else do u wanna call it?..--AlienGamer--Talk (contribs)-- 07:01, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

No, it's just a physical description, and other characters have skin color mentioned too. Haku is 'pale-skinned' for example. ZeroSD (talk) 07:04, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

It's not racist, but why not just call him what he is: black?


 * To get hyper technical, black is racist too. Black means to separate the skin color as another race when it really isn't as we are all of the same species (Human) when dark-skinned (which for this anime is unique) simply shows that his is well dark-skinned. This is coming from a black man himself by the way. I'm not gonna revert your changes, mainly on the grounds that I do not care enough to do it, I'll wait for some of the other editors to do it for me.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 11:58, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Personally I prefer "dark-skinned". To quote a former teacher, "it is a less loaded word". This is a encyclopedia, we have to present all facts from a neutral view. Jacce | Talk 16:49, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

rac⋅ism –noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. ... 3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Words aren't racist. Racism is thought and intent. Dark skin, brown skin, black colored... it doesn't mater what term you use, you're just talking about the color of someone's skin. Racism is when you use that fact to infer something about that person and prejudge them. The closest thing to racism here, is the fact that someone is pointing out words like that in the article, that is separation of race without due cause. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Sep 15, 2009 @ 17:10 (UTC)

Youre all dumb calling someone black isent racist. Discreminating somone because there black is racist avoiding and seducing black people is racist I have called black people black before.--TheBlueBlur (talk) 19:51, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

I heard something about neutarl view? How is calling him back neautral and even dark skinned. You say it is completly normal but you for the majority of this peida for 'white coloured shinobi' it never says there skin colour,or any reference to it assumiing it is white just because you are a majority which is racist.

Technique names
I was thinking, at the moment we have the names of the Raikage's techniques as, with a trivia note mentioning how the name is actually English. I thought perhaps it might be more elegant to change the current naming to. This also goes for Killer Bee's and Darui's techniques, of course. --ShounenSuki (talk 22:50, September 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm confused, is this because all of the Raikage and Killer Bee's moves are mostly wrestling moves that they have to go around themselves like that?--TheUltimate3 (talk) 23:10, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely sure what you mean... I'll try to explain any way: Some of the techniques used by the Raikage, Killer Bee and Darui are English, which are given kanji to match the pronunciation. E.g. this move is called "Lariat", pronounced as "rariatto" in Japanese, and written with the kanji for, , , and . The kanji would usually be pronounced as "Rairi Nettō".
 * Right now, we named the article after the literal meaning of the kanji ("Lightning Plough Hot Sword") and give the name as . We only explain that it's an English name written in kanji in the trivia section.
 * I'm proposing we change the article name to "Lariat" and give the name as, so we only have to explain the connection to the wrestling move in the trivia section. I believe this to be a more elegant solution. --ShounenSuki (talk 23:33, September 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * I meant to ask about this since I like "Laser Circus" more than I do "Encouraging Crushing Chain Tormenting Principle". If it seems like Kishimoto's going for an English pronunciation, I say use that. ~SnapperTo 02:47, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

Lost arms
Since there have been six characters to lose arms already, is it really important to put that in the trivia? It's fun in a way, but it almost seems too common, Kishi likes to chop his characters arms off.

Interesting
I noticed that in the meeting, only his chair was straight... (457 page 18-19)Blaublau94 18:25, 04 October 2009 (UTC)

Liger Bomb
In the info it says it is similar to gai's reverse lotus in what way though it doesnt seem like it Narutosagemaster (talk) 04:22, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

No Special Ability
The current Raikage has Shown no bloodline ability like Danzo, Onoki, and the current Mizukage, or (Ex)Jinchurikki Abilitys. So why not put The Current Raikage has shown no Bloodline/Jinchurikki ability like the other Kage. or something like that.~Anonymous

I'm not sure if it's notable. Hokage 2, 3, 4, and 5 didn't, nor did (to our knowledge) Gaara's father. We know more non-kekkei genkai kage than we do kekkei genkai kage.ZeroSD (talk) 10:43, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

I believe he meant he's the only current Kage not to have a kekkei genkai/bijuu derived ability. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:38, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

I did only mean the Current Kage.--Nintendo-Fan (talk) 22:52, October 15, 2009 (UTC)Nintendo-Fan

It is wrong to say that he has not shown any tailed-beast ability because Karin says: this is Bijuu level chakra during the Raikage's fight with Sasuke -MadaraU (talk) 17:10, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * His chakra level did not stem from him having a Tailed Beast. Ergo he has no Tailed Beast ability. --ShounenSuki (talk 19:02, November 27, 2009 (UTC)
 * And anyone can have an unnatural amount of chakra. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:03, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

Name
I thought his name was Roshitaki
 * Any source for this? Jacce | Talk 09:26, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Some one put that the raikages name was E and is the Yondaime Ive read the chapters I dont see it
 * Second fanbook, ShounenSuki has it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:16, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Just want to make sure.

User:GohanRULEZ|Sting! TenRyuoh!]] 22:19, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought the Raikage's name was Killa A.

Since when was his name Killa E? Seriously? I'd like to see a source on this.

You sure it's not Killer A (or Killer Ē), as in Killer Bee? Rather than Killa? Yatanogarasu 20:54, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Please turn its name back to Current Raikage because we are not yet sure what his real name is. Damniel002 (talk) 1:21, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes we do. The name comes from the fanbook. You didn't know? SuperSaiyaMan (talk)


 * I saw the fanbook so I know that Raikage is called Ē/A, but I can't see evidence that he's called Killa(er) Ē. It's hinted because of Killer Bee, but "Killer" could be simply a nickname or "Killer Bee" his first name... so there's no real evidence that Raikage has "Killer" in his name. I think it's the same as Konohamaru, who despite being the Third's grandson his surname wasn't included on his article until he said his complete name in the manga. So I suggest to remove "Killer" of the name. 201.214.32.138 (talk) 06:12, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

This may be stupid question, but how something from the fanbook can be considered canon?--Erik1310 (talk) 06:19, December 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * The fanbooks are for fans, not by fans. Unless you consider Kishimoto a fan of his own series... ~SnapperTo 06:21, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * And Kishimoto wrote it. So are you saying, Snapper, all the edits like the Power of the Villages, the names of the Kages and everything has to be deleted?

How are fanbooks different from databooks then?--Erik1310 (talk) 06:33, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * The fanbooks have different content matter than the databooks. Both are canon, though. Also, the Raikage wasn't called Killer A, just . --ShounenSuki (talk 11:09, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * That's one piece of the puzzle down, now we just the Japanese script and can get it done.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 11:38, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Well, whether his name is A or E, the page needs some going over, because it seems to switch randomly between the two letters throughout.71.51.98.37 (talk) 14:35, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

His name is listed as "Ei" (Ē) which is katakana for "A." i took this qoute from a naruto fan menber Linkdarkside (talk) 15:29, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

ShounenSuki, i'm going to go out on a limb and ask if you know if "エー" is a common katakana form for the letter A. if that's the case i think thats all the evidence needed to change it from Ē to A. Newthx2u (talk) 21:51, December 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * @SuperSaiyaMan- I had no idea it was possible to get such bullshit from ellipsis. Please feel free to insert Hamlet into the following: ... ~SnapperTo 23:14, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Dosen't E technihly have the shortest name I think thats some interesting trivia well guys

Wikipedia has it listed as Killer A, so there seems to be a problem here. Annaatar (talk) 11:54, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Annaatar never trust wikipedia because unlike here it does not require a source for information put up, here you must name a source (and normally a link if it is a bit of a stretch) Fawcettp (talk) 12:00, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * You've got that mostly backwards. ~SnapperTo 22:19, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia does require a source for the information they put up. It's in Da Rules. :P 71.51.98.37 (talk) 18:28, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Not relevant, but did anyone notice that there are three ninja from this village named A, Bee, and C? Just seemed like a Trivia addition thing to me. DemonFoxsCloak (talk) 22:51, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * It is in the Trivia section.  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 22:52, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Name Vote
OK, seeing as how it looks like we're moving towards renaming the page "A", i thought i'd officiate a vote on the matter. Wether youre a new editor or one of the roundtable of us that tend to congregate, please just put your vote ( Ē or A), and a breif reason why.

I place my vote for "A" because it keeps with the naming scheme and is phonetic grammatical form of Ē. Newthx2u (talk) 01:02, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

i say A because most people that have read the kanji say so.Linkdarkside (talk) 01:20, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

A seems more likely. 71.51.98.37 (talk) 04:50, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Votes mean nothing here, don't bother cluttering up the talkpage with them. (Consensus != Voting; Consensus is about discussion reasoning, and coming to a common ground if possible.) In this case changing it needs two things. Firstly ShounenSuki needs to confirm that Ē is commonly translated to A. And secondly, a policy needs to be re-discussed. The old policy was to stick with the romaji until the character and their name has shown up in the English series officially or come out in the databook. That is why Pain was Pein, and Killer Bee was Kirābī for so long. Another short discussion on naming, of the switching to using the English form of these commonly translated names. I'm not against common English names myself. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Dec 5, 2009 @ 06:03 (UTC)

I'd go with A, put I'd prefer Ā, Ai, or Ae. I also think the "Killer" should be include. It seems like it's his and Bee's last name. So Bee's full english name would be "Bee Killer" and the Raikage would be "Ā Killer". =) Cidem1324


 * Two things:
 * Every Japanese person would think of the Latin letter "A" when reading . Just like how they would think of the Latin letter "C" when reading.
 * There is absolutely nothing that indicates that Killer is the family name of Killer Bee and the Fourth Raikage. The use of Killer is more consistent with a nickname, it has never been used to refer to the Raikage, and if it was their family name, why would it not have been given as such in the fanbook? It gave us the Mizukage's family name.
 * --ShounenSuki (talk 10:44, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clearing that up, ShounenSuki. I figured that was the case with the names. Does this mean that youre' for changing the name to "A"?Newthx2u (talk) 23:01, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

The fact that you guys were wrong about "Pein" and "Kirābī" doesn't make this obvious enough? His name is obviously A. TheGeg (talk) 16:34, December 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Technically Pein isn't wrong. We were just not sure if Kishimoto actually wanted to use the word "Pain" as Pain's name or wanted to be interesting and use Pein to get similar results. The "Kirabi/Kira Hachi/Killer Bee" Wars was fun however. It's even noted on TVtropes.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 16:49, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Well, the ei and ai pronunciations are different in japanese and english, so Pain in rōmaji technicslly is Pein, both are pronounced the same. If it was Pain in rōmaji, then his name wold be Pine... 24.45.20.86 (talk) 20:45, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

"Killer" had better not be their surname. Because this stupid wiki uses "Naruto Uzumaki" instead of "Uzumaki Naruto", even though the wiki is about a Japanese manga/anime, so a sentence like "The Fourth Raikage, A Killer, is the elder brother of B Killer" would make me vomit. :( Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da (talk) 12:43, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe the name Killer is a known nickname for Bee and A instead of their actual name24.161.121.213 (talk) 12:52, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Let's stop this pointless discussion here. There is no evidence to support "Killer" being anywhere in A's name. And we use western order for names because A) The English translations use it. B) We're an English wiki, not a Japanese wiki. C) It was decided by community consensus to use western order. Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da should probably go take a look at Rock Lee and Might Guy, Killer Bee won't end up as B Killer for the same reason Rokku (Rock) Rī (Lee) isn't Lee Rock, and Maito (Might) Gai (Guy) isn't Guy Might. To be frank if we weren't using western order like the English translations of names officially do, and trying to apply eastern order to them, we would probably end up with names like Lee Rock. The only relevant point here, is whether or not we have community consensus to start assuming the English form of phonetic names before an official translation comes out. ~ NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Dec 9, 2009 @ 21:06 (UTC)
 * It seems most people agree on using the English translation. I would say we reached consensus, or does anyone still disagree with using A instead of Ē? --ShounenSuki (talk 12:43, December 14, 2009 (UTC)


 * I personally think that we should stick with Ē. The fact that a name can be translated into English does not necessarily mean that it should. Look at the surname Uzumaki, for example. It can mean whirlpool, but we don't go around saying Naruto Whirlpool. The only times that we have translated a name into English are Pain and Killer Bee. The reason that we use Pain instead of Pein is that Pain is obviously supposed to be a reference to Nagato's traumatic childhood, and that a pun was likely intended when the character was named. As for Killer Bee, I am personally of the opinion that this was also a pun (many of his attacks involve stabbing, similar to a bee's stinger, and he quoted Muhammad Ali's "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee"), but this is arguable. In the case of Ē, there is no pun that would come out if we used the name A instead of Ē. Until we can find a valid reason for a translation, we should keep the original name.
 * P.S. If I made any mistakes in this edit, please let me know. --Enoki911 (talk) 04:07, December 17, 2009 (UTC)Enoki911
 * Ah, but there is a pun, or should I say a naming theme. Kumogakure characters seem to be named after one of two things: Adjectives (light, heavy, cold, sluggish) or letters of the alphabet (Ē|A, B, C, J). Taking this into account, Killer Bee should most likely be Killer B and Ē should most likely be A. --ShounenSuki (talk 09:10, December 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * That is true. I guess that we should change the name to A. But, if we're going to do that, we should change all of the other names of the alphabet-based characters as well. If we're going to change one, and a reason for changing his name is that the style of naming is common, then it follows that we should change the others as well. --76.233.199.1 (talk) 00:42, December 18, 2009 (UTC)Enoki911

Sorry. The above edit was mine. I forgot to log in before commenting. --Enoki911 (talk) 00:45, December 18, 2009 (UTC)Enoki911


 * The Japanese pronunciation for "A" is エー (Ee), this is simply fact. B is ビー (Bii), C is シー (Shi), D is ディー (Dii), E is イー (Ii), and so on. If you don't understand basic pronunciation of Japanese characters, you shouldn't even have a say in the conversation. All kana is phonetic and pronounced the way it's spelled. The characters "エー" will never appear together to form a Japanese word, or even part of a Japanese word. They do however appear in Japanese pronunciations of English words such as Agent (エージェント, Eejento), Ace (エース, Eesu), Age (エージ, Eeji), AD (エーディー, Eedii), ABC Order (エービーシーじゅん, Eebiishii-jun), and many others. It's "A", a pun on his little brother, "B", fitting together with other Cloud-nin like C and J. You'd have to be blind to think otherwise. FF-Suzaku (talk) 12:45, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

So~ would it be at all possible to conclude this discussion? --ShounenSuki (talk 03:43, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Is it true that he is the fourth Raikage?
I just want to confirm that he is truly the 4th.How do heck do guys know?Please message me on my talk.And how do guys know his name?Come on it is obvious that his name is not Killer A or E.


 * I take it you didn't bother to read the two large sections on his name above this lovely little comment.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 14:31, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Arm
Was He the only person to cut of an appendege, or were there other people?


 * Madara once cut of his right arm when it was infected by Torune's Nano Bugs to prevent a infection spreading into his body. Shadow Abyss (talk) 16:44, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

correction I meant was he the FIRST one to cut off one of there body parts

Not to sound stupid, but...
Isn't it a little obvious that this so-called "Iron Claw" should be listed as one of his techniques? I guess it seems stupid to ask, that is, if it's even more obvious that it shouldn't be since we've never actually seen it, but he did say he was going to use it on Bee. Teamrocketspy621 (talk) 19:43, January 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was under the impression that it was just a threat, not necessarily an indication of an unseen skill. ~SnapperTo 22:09, January 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Meh, I figured that if it had a name, it was actually a technique. I mean, the style of the name, at least, seems to fit in with several of his techniques, although I have no clue if "Iron Claw" is actually a wrestling move or not. Sounds like one. Teamrocketspy621 (talk) 22:38, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

The Iron Claw is a move and it is done by the man eater the long haird guy with thee mask on his face.huge wreastling fan

Shortest Name
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Ē have the shortest name in Naruto (with it being only one letter). Or am I missing someone.--Nintendo-Fan (talk) 07:29, January 17, 2010 (UTC)Nintendo-Fan
 * That depends on how you look at it.
 * In Japanese, his name is two kana long (エー), the same length as Shī, Haku, Ao, Dan, Kiba, Tsume, Hana, etcetera. In fact, if you actually look at how a name is written, then Haku and Ao have names that are only one kanji long, while the Raikage's name is two kana long.
 * If you take into consideration the likelyhood of the Raikage's name actually being written as A, then his name is still the same length as the names of Shī (C) and Jei (J). Killer Bee's name might also only be written as B.
 * The only way the Raikage has the shortest name is when looking at the rōmaji, which shouldn't really be taken into account. After all, rōmaji is nothing more than a romanisation system, a way of representing Japanese in the Latin alphabet. --ShounenSuki (talk 10:52, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Just to clarify..
On Narutopedia Its Going to be A not Ē ,right--Nintendo-Fan (talk) 00:54, February 4, 2010 (UTC)Nintendo-Fan
 * Yah... I'm gonna be confused whenever I read A containing his name. Simant (talk) 00:58, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Which I think is one reason why ShounenSuki has been going from "Ē" to "Fourth Raikage" instead of "A". Why we insist on using "X, the Yth Zkage" at every opportunity is beyond me. ~SnapperTo 01:11, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right. Especially in the Fourth Raikage's case, using his kage name is much more natural than his personal name. A looks odd. Also, in many cases, using his kage name is more relevant. When talking about his role during the Kage Summit, using his personal name is illogical, as he was there in the role of Raikage. --ShounenSuki (talk 07:46, February 4, 2010 (UTC)

His Speed/Reflexes
I'm just curious... where does it state that his speed is comparible only to that of the fourth hokages? Was it mentioned in the manga or derived from what's been mentioned seperately about both the Raikage and Hokage? Gojinn (talk) 01:08, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Mentioned in the manga by C. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:14, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Reflex speed equal to the Yellow Flash's before the Lightning Release Armor?
From the ordering of C's statement, it's not immediately clear, but I think that the Raiton no Yoroi enhances his already Yellow Flash-level reflexes. For instance, HisshouBuraiKen translated the line as "Raikage-sama's reflexes are on the same level [more like "no worse than"] as the late Yellow Flash...I'm impressed those three can even keep up. But now [I don't agree with the "now"] that his body's surrounded in lightning chakra, even the Sharingan will lose sight of him...", which never says that the Raikage's reflexes are Yellow Flash-level due to to the Raiton no Yoroi and does sound like the technique enhances his reflexes beyond Yellow Flash's. Bvdan (talk) 06:46, February 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm curious, what page in the manga is this stated in?  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 06:48, February 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Chapter 462, page 3:


 * 雷影様の体内の神経伝達…反射のスピードは黄色い閃光に劣らない
 * こいつらよくついてきてるほうだ　しかし反射を活性化するための
 * 雷遁チャクラをまとった以上　写輪眼でも追いつけない　それにまだ…


 * HisshouBuraiken: Raikage-sama's reflexes are on the same level as the late Yellow Flash...I'm impressed those three can even keep up. But now that his body's surrounded in lightning chakra, even the Sharingan will lose sight of him... But they're still...


 * The first statement says that the Raikage's reflexes are no worse than the Yellow Flash's, and it never assigns that fact to the Raiton no Yoroi technique. Still, I think it's possible that C was referring to the Raikage's reflexes just then, and he was wearing the armor at that point.  Still, it doesn't sound like it to me, considering the shikashi (but; however).  Bvdan (talk) 06:58, February 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * The Translation on OneManga says he's as fast as a flash of light; making no reference to Minato so...  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 07:05, February 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * That one is just a mistake. The line has "黄色い閃光" (kiiroi senkou; yellow flash).  If I had to give a diagnosis, I'd say the translator read "Yellow Flash", forgot Minato's nickname, and thought "light". Bvdan (talk) 07:12, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * You may be right even though it's the same translator, SleepyFans, though it's best to wait for ShounenSuki as he/she is the resident translator here.  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 07:19, February 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Same translator? Sleepyfans doesn't use HisshouBuraiKen's translations, using a translator that goes by the handle Sakura instead (at least typically).  Bvdan (talk) 07:28, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, Sleepyfans is generally disrespected on this wiki. Also, for the record, ShounenSuki is a male.--Enoki911 (talk) 08:30, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Wrestling
"He prefers using wrestling techniques to more traditional forms of taijutsu." Is this really true? He used the Lariat and the Liger Bomb, true, but he used plety of other traditional attacks. In fact, these are the only two wrestling techniques that he's shown.--Enoki911 (talk) 08:26, February 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not a wrestling fan, but from what I gather, all of the Raikage's techniques (with the obvious exception of the Lightning Release Armour) are based on wrestling moves. --ShounenSuki (talk 12:37, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

So your saying just because so far he has only used wreastling moves which i do not believe he prefers using it than taijutsu? If you really beleive the rubbish give me some evidence to prove it.

Taiken
Shouldn't one of his titles be Taiken?--Nintendo-Fan (talk) 06:51, March 2, 2010 (UTC)Nintendo-Fan


 * You mean if it should be listed in his infobox? If so, then I would say no. That would be akin to listing in Yamato's infobox. --ShounenSuki (talk 07:52, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Anime Picture
Did the anime give a good picture of A? --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 17:24, March 25, 2010 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 * If it did chances are it would have been replaced already. Who knows.  ¥ S uper N ovice ↔ T alk 2 M e  ¥ 17:25, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

It didn't, we should just wait for a better one.--Deva 27 (talk) 17:26, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Oh come one there is alot of scenes where you can see a good picture of The Raikage --Petar93 (talk) 21:46, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

The new picture has to show him without his kage robes on, like in the current one. --| WhiteArmor | (Talk) |--
 * What IS the current one?!
 * The one in the infobox.. ~Hakinu (talk 12:24, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

The current one is from a colored centerfold poster that was in the manga. - WhiteArmor - (Talk) - 23:46, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Why are there 2 pictures in the infobox??--118.137.78.192 (talk) 13:55, February 27, 2011 (UTC)

Is this Raikage responsible for the Hyuga Affair?
Considering that A has most likely bee Raikage for the last 30 years, since the time that Bee has been made into a Jinchuriki, this would make it highly possible that the Hyuga affair, aka the kidnap attempt on Hinata Hyuga, was during A's rule and thus would be caused by him. Should we put this information on his page? A has even express anger at Konoha, saying that they should have taken care of Sasuke as fast as they took care of the Hyuga affair. --Juubi no Ryuu (talk) 03:03, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Given what we know of him know I have to agree with you. Even if he was not Kage (and his predecessor was looking pretty old even then) and just the designated successor, he would have still had an important say on policy and the 3rd Raikage would have definitely followed his opinion if he was a reasonable leader; so if he did not order it he would have still been critical to it being agreed to. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 03:23, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless he wasn't the designated successor then, or the Raikage had nothing to do with the incident at the time. --ShounenSuki (talk 14:30, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if this discussion is closed or not. If yes, my apologies. If no, I want to add that we don't know at what point of his life A was made Raikage. I doubt he could have become one as early as Gaara. So We don't know if it was after or before the Hyuga incident. BlazeUchiha (Talk)  14:53, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

We know that A was an important enough member of Kumo that they made his brother into a jinchuriki, which is only done on those with close connections to the Kage. Since Bee (to our knowledge) is not a relation to the 3rd Raikage it is logical to assume that they made him a jinchuriki because it was expected that A would become Raikage in the future. In fact, this scene implies that he was Raikage pretty soon after. But even if he was not, the 3rd Raikage would not want make a decision that his successor would disagree with. Thomas Finlayson (talk) 22:40, May 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Do you have proof the Raikage, whomever it was at the time, was even involved in the Hyūga affair? --ShounenSuki (talk 00:30, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * As an add-on to my previous response: We have no proof that B was made a jinchriki because A was the Raikage to in line to be Raikage. They could be related to the Third Raikage for all we know. The scene where Motoi talks about A being Raikage show A as being old enough to be set after the Hyūga affair.
 * There are too many uncertainties here to make any definite statements. --ShounenSuki (talk 00:34, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * While you do have a point, that we can not make any definate statements, we can say that it is heavily implied that he was at least part of the Hyuga affair. Yamato's own words were that "Your actions could have caused a war" or something similar to that when Naruto asked the Raikage not to execute Sasuke. That, along with his anger towards Konoha for Sasuke freedom as a Nukenin when compared of how they took care of the Hyuga affair, can at least say he was either a part of it, or effected by it in some way, though I understand we probably shouldn't put anything up to aviod confusion and uncertainty, just something for the mind to chew on. Also, to the statement that we have no proof B was made a jinchuriki because A was a Raikage, that same scene you talk about with Motoi, Motoi talks about how Bee wanted to be a good host for A, due to jinchuriki not only being part of the Raikage's family, but also as a sign of strength. If he were a jinchuriki for the third Raikage, then Motoi would have most likely said something about him, and not the Raikage- his brother. --Juubi no Ryuu (talk) 04:04, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Chapter 457, page 13. "When you went after Hyuga's Byakugan..." I don't know how reliable Sleepy Fans is, but this translation seems to confirm that he was the Raikage at the time. Mohrpheus (talk) 04:18, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Or it was referring to the village and not the kage. - S im A nt 04:21, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

A as Raikage - PICTURE.
thumb Why do not add this image to this article?! I think it would be great to see it as main picture, but, if you do not like it, should it be added to article and call "A as the Fourth Raikage"?


 * The current infobox image shows him better. ~SnapperTo 03:26, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

raikages speed
it seems that in the manga, C explains that raikages nervous system and reaction time is comparable to that of the yondaime hokage, yet after he says that, he then states that when raikage puts on his raiton armor, not even the sharingan should keep, implying that raikage is naturally around the same of level as the fourth in terms of reaction time, but in raiton armor he is even faster! http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-462/page003.html

but it seems no one will accept that as i placed the link to thhis, but people keep on changing it back, i sense fanboyism. ..

A's speed is already elaborated on, what you're adding is just a mix and match of already stated facts. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:41, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * According to the official translation, Raikage and Minato are equal in speed. They are actually equal with Sasuke, Juugo, and Suigetsu because they were still able to "keep up", if only for a short period. However, he becomes faster than the aforementioned shinobi when using the lightning chakra. This is according to Viz's translation. Wreiad (talk) 17:19, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Minato speed = Raikage (A) speed?
What is true? In manga written: "The speed of Raikage-sama's nervous system and reflexes... are comparable to those of the yellow flash" just after "But since he has the raiton chakra amplifying his reflexes not even the sharingan can keep up". Raikage mean faster Minato or not? I don't understand the meaning of words. Please help me.

Okay maybe its just me?
But what is with this section in A's synposis? "While the Kage and their bodyguards dodged the rubble, Sasuke escaped from the hall to find and kill Danzō. After catching up with Sasuke, A learned from the Tsuchikage that Sasuke is dead, which angered him." Did the Tsuchikage lie or is the mention "Sasuke is dead" meant to me be "Danzō is dead" which is how I remembered reading the manga. Or Sasuke has escaped? Haven't changed it as am not 100% sure. However I don't remember Sasuke ever being told deceased to A. Romance Dawn (talk) 17:15, January 11, 2011 (UTC) Or was it a fake corpse to make Sasuke appear deceased? If so you should mention it in the sypnosis as it is confusing lol. Romance Dawn (talk) 17:23, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * The information is correct check chapter 466 page 16-17--Cerez365 (talk) 17:25, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Tsuchikage says that he killed Sasuke because he believes that Sasuke was caught in his Dust Release technique. When A arrives, he is told that, and when he complains about it, Madara appears holding Sasuke. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:33, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Alternate romanization of A's name
I've been thinking, I think Kishi intended for A's name to be romanized as Eii/Ei since Bee's name can also be romanized as Kiraa Bii. I think the intention was so that Bee and A had similar names. In this case, Eii and Bii. So I think that this should be added.--N 21 (talk) 15:52, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * If Kishimoto-sensei meant for A's name to be romanised as Ei, he would have written it as エイ, instead of エー. —ShounenSuki (talk 16:23, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

image in the info box
I think we should change the image of A in the infobox to an imafe from the anime, because the quality is better.

like this one: (talk) 20:09, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Only when he decides to wash his hair to get that yellow grime out. —ShounenSuki (talk 20:23, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lolwhut Shounen? --Cerez☺ (talk) 20:31, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think he means that his hair is whiter in the manga image, whereas he looks blond in the anime.  ~ Fmakck© → Talk → Contributions ~ 20:36, March 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Which means unless you want to have a long drawn out image war, you can either leave this alone like I am, or you can figure out how infobox tabbing works, which I am trying but is taking far longer than I originally thought it would.--TheUltimate3 ~Aspect of Wiki ~ 22:03, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Anyone else annoyed by his eyebrows switching from 2 points to 3 every other episode... S im A nt 18:40, March 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * We should just go for a good anime image that aptly captures A's personality. Just a screenshot from the episode Naruto's Plea or one of him from the Five Kage Summit. Who gives a shit if the anime makes it a bit more blonde? Not everything is perfect so we shouldn't be perfectionists so much. It is what it is. Whatever's in the anime is there. Banan 14kab  22:29, March 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * I give a shit. Why settle for something plainly incorrect when we have a perfectly good image we can use? Why on Earth should we just settle on what the anime shows us, when the manga is the original source? Why on Earth should we give our readers incorrect information, when we could just as easily give them correct information? In fact, how could we call ourselves an encyclopædia if we did knowingly give our readers incorrect information? If we didn't strive to be as actual and correct as we could be? —ShounenSuki (talk 22:35, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well said, Shounen. I just want to know why coloured manga images tick people off so much. Do some people not like better quality images?  ~ Fmakck© → Talk → Contributions ~ 22:41, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesn't tick me off. I just think the anime is a better representation. I have always admired the artwork in the manga more than the drawing in the anime. If better quality is the case then why not switch all the anime images on the wiki to the manga since it is better art? If I were to change all the images to manga ones you would be quick to revert them all to anime images, wouldn't you? Also ShounenSuki when I put the other anime image that is currently in A's appearance section in the infobox you reverted it. His hair is covered and it is a good representation so why change it? Who says the original source is the only good source? Who is to say what is incorrect or correct? Your opinions? Have you ever thought that the anime just shows it alternately for artistic/aesthetic purposes? You can be an encyclopedia when you state all known information accurately, such as "A has white hair and faical hair. However in the anime it is portrayed as blonde." Is that not striving to be as accurate and correct as possible? I don't think so. Are your standards the only ones? Open your mind to other options and standards than your own. You learn things that way and no I am not trying to be a presumptuous "high and mighty" asshole, but that it just how I think. I observe that no matter how much people deny it everyone judges on their own biases including me. I bet no one will think my argument is as sound as ShounenSuki's too. e.e Banan 14kab  23:03, March 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Of course we should also inform people about the anime and how they represent things, but the fact of the matter is that the series was created and is still being created by Kishimoto-sensei. The manga is the original source, with everything else being nothing more than an adaptation of it. We use anime images because they are consistently in colour. The manga is not. The images in the infoboxes are there to give a quick and recognisable representation of the characters in question. Coloured anime images do this better than non-coloured manga images and since they don't have to be perfect representations of the characters, we can go for concistency and use anime images even when there are coloured manga images available. Unless, of course, the anime images have glaring mistakes like incorrect hair or eye colours. It still has to be an accurate representation of the character in question.
 * Also, I'm not sure what image you are talking about. Could you explain a bit more?—ShounenSuki (talk 23:19, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

I want to tell a very short but relevant story. I have black hair. For years I thought my mother's hair was black. It was only recently that I looked at her hair and discovered, to my surprise, her hair is actually brown. It turns out that black folks hair, when short or long enough to be put together, tends to look dark, which my mother had been doing for several years.
 * What this story has to do with this image issue. Some people seem perceive color differently than others. In the image ShounenSuki claims (And I use the word claim to support my phrase "perceive") his hair is white. I however see the color as a palish, whitish blonde. Am I right? Is he right? I dunno.
 * And why am I boring everyone with this analysis? It's partly to blindside everyone into not noticing how I haven't taken a solid stance on this crap in the past few months, and partly to get support in my (bad) attempt to get that tabbing crap done so we can stop this pointless debate once and for all. Seriously, I have no idea what I'm doing and our infoboxes are not as straightforward as other wiki's infoboxes.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 23:21, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Any word on that tab solution you were looking into? My lack of technical knowledge apart, couldn't we simply find a wiki which uses them and copy the coding of whatever template they use, tweaking here and there to better fit our needs? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:23, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * @TheUltimate3: I understand what you're saying and I actually agree with you. People perceive colours differently. However, the Raikage and Killer B actually have the exact same hair colour as Jiraiya in the manga. Just compare the coloured manga images and you'll see. I'm pretty sure you'll agree that Jiraiya's hair is simply white. —ShounenSuki (talk 23:26, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * @ShounenSuki: I'm not going to comment on that. Purely because I do not wish to take a side and merely trying to push my tabbing solution.
 * @Omnibender: The problem is our infobox is so different from everything else I've seen. Every infobox I've come across is a single infobox template, ours is made up of like 10+ different templates combined into one full template. Which makes things difficult. Adding to the fact that I have no knowledge on wikia code and I'm left begging people to help me try and figure this stuff out.--TheUltimate3 ~Keeper of Lore~ 23:30, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Basically Shounen I was saying that you were basing the wiki's decision on your own settings and not considering the reasoning for why I wanted an anime image instead. I see that's not true now though. I am an organized person so I like consistency more than others most of the time. Anyway like TheUltimate3 said, this is getting tiresome. I vote for an anime image in the future if that counts for anything so if there is a poll you have my opinion. So fuck it..I'm done. Y'all can do whatever you choose. Banan 14kab  23:31, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

This is just another suggestion, but I like this image. I think it could fit in the box and his hair does not appear too blonde because of the background. Banan 14kab  05:12, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

I think the current's better.. ----Ilnarutoanime--Talk--

I will suggest: can we just make 2 images in the infobox, similar to C? I'm just suggesting!-- (Ilnarutoanime) 14:02, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Oh yes~ we can do that now...but we need candidate images I don't really like that one with him in the snow. Try to get one as accurate as possible.--Cerez™☺ 17:05, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

How come you say that you don't like my image of him in the snow, but you guys end up using one of him in the snow anyway? Also I don't see why some characters need both a manga and anime image. Like Konan for example. Is it because some users feel that the anime represents them inaccurately? Also I think my image was better than the current anime one. That angle of him is kinda odd like he is bowing down or something. Banan <font color="silver" style="background:black">14kab  20:20, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with Cerez. --Ilnarutoanime (talk) 09:28, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * That image you uploaded made his eyes look cast. This one isn't bad but his head is chopped out of the frame as well a his shoulder and Amaterasu's having a grand time in there. Even though I was just going to use the one of him with the hat on but I simply chose the best one that's there, I think... As for why two images are used, that's simple: because we can now =D--Cerez™☺ 11:40, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * What does everybody think of this image? I think it is better since there is adequate lighting and all his features can be seen clearly. Also it is a straightforward angle.
 * I think this one's goo-wait is that a lil' Amaterasu I'm seeing? Nah it's good--Cerez™☺ 17:05, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Did the anime suddenly change style or something? Banan14kab's image looks so different from all the other images. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:06, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * They have different teams working on every other episode. S im A nt 18:09, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Comparing | this and | this, they look fairly similiar, but one has better lighting. On another note, I hate edit conflicts.Ryne 91 (talk) 18:12, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * And people were complaining about consistency with the manga images? I raised this issue because it looks like Banan14kab's image is altered. As if the lines and colours are redrawn. The image looks too clear. —ShounenSuki (talk 18:16, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * ShounenSuki, that looks like it did in the episode to me. I watch every episode and read every chapter. I don't think it's altered.Ryne 91 (talk) 18:18, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Uhm yeah Shounen recently it's like they decided to draw the characters accurately. You should see Darui and the MAJOR overhaul they did on him.--Cerez™☺ 18:26, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * As i said before the animation style is varying. Edit: Almost accurately, still hate A's fake eyebrows. S im A nt 18:26, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, well they need to keep this team and have the other one do fillers or something.--Cerez™☺ 18:29, April 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * rolls eyes* How did consistency become the major argument in the manga vs anime image war again? —ShounenSuki (talk 18:34, April 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * You can't have it all Sim--Cerez™☺ 18:35, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Iron Claw
It seems to have been mentioned again in 536. Considering we heard about it a couple times now, I think this warrants an article about it, similar to how Water Release: Great Shark Bullet Technique was created and had the "mentioned" annotation. All we need is the translation. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:21, April 21, 2011 (UTC)


 * But we don't actually know that it is anything. It could be like a "banhammer" where it sounds like an actual object but it doesn't actually, physically exist. ~SnapperTo 19:31, April 21, 2011 (UTC)