Talk:Kāma

Karma
Shouldn't it be called Karma? I mean, the official source translating the manga, Viz, says it's called Karma. Fused Zamasu (talk) 15:24, May 26, 2018 (UTC)
 * Na. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:44, May 26, 2018 (UTC)
 * Why not? Meshack (talk) 05:44, August 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * Because we don't use VIZ names, they're just another translator after all. • Seelentau 愛 議 12:00, August 1, 2018 (UTC)

Juinjutsu
I vote in favor of classifying the Kama as a type of Juinjutsu since it has the characteristics of them, mostly notably Orochimaru's Juinjutsu as an example. AnonymousAnomani (talk) 21:59, July 5, 2018 (UTC)
 * The defining characteristic of juinjutsu that sets it apart from fuinjutsu is the user talking control of the recipient through the marking. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 22:10, July 5, 2018 (UTC)
 * Let me revive this... the definition of Fuinjutsu is either a technique that seals something or the seal itself. The diamond mark doesn't seal nor was it granted as a part of Fuinjutsu.--Elve Talk Page 16:45, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, nobody has ever sealed anything with the mark. Ever./s • Seelentau 愛 議 16:50, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * Unless you want to consider absorption to be fuuinjutsu.--Elve Talk Page 16:59, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * The technique is sealed inside the mark and can be unsealed from it, so yes, this is a Fuinjutsu. • Seelentau 愛 議 17:07, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * We saw it unleash back exactly the same technique it absorbed? Then yes, didn't remember that.--Elve Talk Page 17:10, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * In the manga, yes. It's also said in the article. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:54, September 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * Is it too superfluous an aspect to compare its nature and caveats to Orochimaru's Juinjutsu?Lokker G (talk) 18:54, November 9, 2018 (UTC)

I would like to cite Isshiki Ōtsutsuki and Jigen as an example as to why Kama should be reclassified as Juinjutsu. AnonymousAnomani (talk) 18:52, December 6, 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not a Juinjutsu by the definition of the word. Juinjutsu are curse seals applied by one person to another, to take control over them. Being a seal doesn't automatically make something a Juinjutsu. • Seelentau 愛 議 19:24, December 6, 2019 (UTC)
 * But isn't Ishiki in possession of Jigen, not to mention it's been suggested that Momoshiki might eventually take over Boruto?--Elve Talk Page 12:51, December 7, 2019 (UTC)
 * True. That's not the use of Juinjutsu, though. The Karma has never been called a curse seal either. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:47, December 7, 2019 (UTC)
 * Kama is similar to Orochimaru's juinjutsu in concept and comparison, most notably the Cursed Seal of Heaven comes to mind (Orochimaru has sealed his consciousness into the cursed seals before). AnonymousAnomani (talk) 13:47, February 21, 2020 (UTC)
 * I mean, I see where you're coming from. But I still feel it's different from a Juinjutsu, as it doesn't allow the user to take control over the victim while still being a separate being. Yes, Momoshiki and Isshiki were able to control the bearers of the mark, but in a different way – they had to seal themselves in the mark and apply it to the victim. It's more of a Body Takeover, from my POV. Plus, Kawaki technically didn't get it from an Otsutsuki, but through scientific means. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:37, February 21, 2020 (UTC)
 * The truth of the matter is, there is little to no information surrounding the exact workings of Juinjutsu. Its even previously state on the page. Also regarding your definition of a Body Takeover, the Eight Branches Technique was an attempt to take over Sasuke's body. AnonymousAnomani (talk) 03:28, February 24, 2020 (UTC)
 * What I'm saying is, you can't apply the Karma to someone and control them with it without sealing yourself in the mark. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:07, February 24, 2020 (UTC)
 * And you say that well knowing, that Orochimaru puts a piece of his consciousness into those he brands with his juinjutsu--Elve Talk Page 14:21, February 24, 2020 (UTC)
 * Show me a case where someone used the Kama on someone and then controlled them while not being inside their body, please. • Seelentau 愛 議 20:18, February 24, 2020 (UTC)

Instead of bickering over the specifics as of now why don't we wait until more info is revealed on it?? So far it seems Momo did indeed seal his consciousness inside Boruto similar to what Orochimaru did with the intent of taking over the body eventually.. like Orochimaru intended. BUT none of this is outright stated or even remarked on. So lets wait awhile before we come back to this. FlatZone (talk) 22:59, February 24, 2020 (UTC)

Well Sasuke said it in this chapter. Momo sealed part of his consciousness inside Boruto with Karma. Orochimaru sealed part of his consciousness inside Sasuke's body with the Curse Mark. FlatZone (talk) 20:00, March 20, 2020 (UTC)

Users
Should we add Kaguya and Kinshiki? Given their plans and Amado explaining how they'd go about it. Also, why aren't we listing Isshiki here? Is only the use of the seal being considered here...? Munchvtec (talk) 16:06, October 20, 2020 (UTC)
 * I believe we the way we currently list this is a holdover of the general cursed seal logic. For example, Orochimaru is the one applying the seals to Sasuke, Kimimaro, Sound Four, et al, but isn't listed as an user himself, topic of his being a juinjutsu or not not withstanding. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:46, October 20, 2020 (UTC)
 * We have Orochimaru's Juinjutsu in that case, which is the application. I think we should be discerning between the two (use of the seal, as well as application of the seal) here, either with another article or whatever works best. Munchvtec (talk) 00:14, October 21, 2020 (UTC)