Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-35155071-20180330190048/@comment-34678409-20180413012914

Legion. The Manga stated that Minato won the battle of speed, while Minato said he came down to a split second. There's a difference between Manga's actual word and a character's word. Character's can and have been shown to be wrong. Obito has reaction speed and uses Kamui to get so close without taking damage, all he needs is a split second to do what he needs to do. If Obito was as fast as you say, he wouldn't have been hit. But he was. Minato swung his Rasengan before he could even think. If he can't think, how is he on par with Minato? Shitty logic there.

That's what you say. But I see something totally different. Unless it's stated, then it isn't true and that is only what you think, doesn't make it right unless the writer says so. Part 1 shown the Chakra arms having different speeds than Naruto when Sasuke stated he couldn't react to them but could react to Naruto fine. So quit the bullshit.

No, Gyuki was not stationary. What the hell? You literally see him crashing by the time Obito is there. The crash has the biggest force of all the movement. There's a reason Naruto said he couldn't move and used a Chakra arm. Use your brain. If his Chakra Arm is as fast as him, why didn't he just move? Cause according to you, nothing prevented him from moving and Obito was a few feet away. If they're the same speed, Naruto should of been able to move out the way and get distance. But he didn't. Why? Cause the force of the crash prevented him from doing so.

So, Minato's feat of taking Naruto from Obito doesn't count cause it was apart of Obito's plan. But Obito's feat counts because it was apart of Naruto's plan? Makes sense. And Gai's feat doesn't count because all he had to do was continue the momentum, but Obito's feat against the clone counts even though he started swinging while the clone was still passing through him and didn't even see the attack coming? Ha.

This was never stated. When has it ever been stated that Sharingan can't detect Chakra's movements?

No he couldn't. Because Naruto clearly stated he was strong. It's odd that when someone is fast or strong the Manga literally states it. But for Obito being fast, it is never stated despite everyone else being stated to be fast or strong. And I still fail to see how throwing a fan means Obito is as fast as him. So if you throw something, you are that fast? I smell bullshit.

Can't find a lighter scan, so oh well. Obito's word is enough for me. He gave Torfune the credit.

Yes he did. What the hell? Name one time during the war that Kakashi said he had a plan before using Raikiri. I'm waiting. And, yet you stated Obito tried to kill Kakashi but Naruto saved him? Yikes. That's some logic there.

Running? Since when did Naruto start running on air? I see him jumping. But running? I suggest getting your eyes check if you think that's Naruto running. And what goes up, must come down. So hardly a feat.

Such a hypocritical statement. I'll just use that same logic against you. The distance he swung his Gunbai as well as starting the swing before Naruto's clone phased all the way through, was way closer than the distance needed for the clone to phase through and turn around to see the attack. Not to mention Naruto's Chakra was half, and since he gets his speed from the KCM, his speed was halved. Obito literally only needed to swing his arm since it was already fully cocked back.

And HAHAHAHA. So you're saying 3rd isn't as fast as Naruto, but he dodged his Chakra arm when he was even blinded, in chapter 554, BUT, Obito is as fast as Naruto cause he dodged the Chakra Arm? HAHAHAHA. K.