Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-46486865-20200730051057/@comment-46486865-20200801062418

Sidd77 wrote: Sidd77 wrote: I think Mangekyō Sasuke barely edges out a win here. Amaterasu and Susano’o are extremely OP and I don’t see Hebi Sasuke being able to dodge them forever.

CursemarkSenjutsu: Well the Susano arrow at this time shouldn't be much of a problem, but Amateratsu is a large strain on the eyes, and drains Chakra, with the only benefit of 3 abilities (Amateratsu, Kagutshi, Susano'o) Hebi Sasuke can run longer than what MS Sasuke can put out. Reminder that he used Amateratsu only once on Killer Bee.

Sidd77 wrote: Keep in mind that Itachi was barely trying at all in their fight and moreover was sick and had low chakra reserves. This means that MS Sasuke can use Amaterasu at least 5 times before running out of chakra. Not to mention the Susano’o, which Hebi Sasuke doesn’t have a chance at breaking through.

CursemarkSenjutsu: Itachi was trying, but he could have ended the match much earlier first 10 seconds. And Itachi use Amateratsu on Hebi Sasuke on purpose so he would use Orochimaru's substitution and drain his Chakra so he could pull out orochirmaru. So for the Amateratsu statement Itachi was trying. Also Itachi's problem isn't Chakra, in fact they are quiet large, but his problem was his stamina and his body, anoverusage of any ability would lead to a weaker body.

Sidd77 wrote: While the CM 2 gives a considerable amp, everyone here is ignoring the chakra drain it causes. Sasuke hasn’t been able to maintain it for long (running out of chakra while fighting Deidara and Itachi with days in between).

CursemarkSenjutsu: Jiribos Curse Mark is stated to amplify him at minimum 10x, Sasuke's Cursemark is stated to be far more powerful, and Hebi Sasuke's Chakra is far higher than you think. To achieve the true power of the curse mark, Sasuke needed to "die" first. So he had just come from death and Naruto was in 1 Tails cloak which gives him Chakra. In the end despite Naruto having a major Chakra buff, and being not only descendant but REINCARNATION of Ashura whom have naturally far stronger bodies, and Sasuke using and washing Chakra on a unmastered 3 Tomoe Sharing was still standing. And no there were not days in between at all intact more like an hour and a half difference, for proof, think about Team 10 and 7 looking for Itachi and Sasuke.

Sidd77 wrote: MS Sasuke went on a Kage gauntlet: fighting A for a considerable amount of time, managing to keep up with Gaara and then Mei then getting beaten by Ōnoki. He then soon after fought Danzō in a lengthy battle and won. He was even able to fend of Sakura and Kakashi and have a brief clash with Naruto. CursemarkSenjutsu: He was healed heavily 3 times, and was assisted against the Raikage with Suigetsu and Jugo. In between each Segement, Sasuke was healed to the max. And V1 Raikage > MS Sasuke + Jugo but Hebi Sasuke> Deidara + Tobi > Edo Deidara > Full Health Onoiki > Madara Onoiki > Raikage

Sidd77 wrote: This goes to show that Hebi Sasuke can’t just wait for MS Sasuke to run out of chakra especially if he’s fighting in CM 2. While Hebi Sasuke is smart, MS Sasuke isn’t stupid. He was able to figure out Izanagi relatively quickly.

CursemarkSenjutsu: Like I've said before, healed in between segments, and Sakura didn't fight Sasuke, not even touched, and Kakashi's encountered was more of a Sharing spar. Ill agree that he isn't dumb, but already Hebi sasuke is smarter, but even Karin was able to notice Izanagi without even being in close range, and Danzo sent a wave of false information towards her aswell.

Sidd77 wrote: Also Orochimaru only escaped when Hebi Sasuke lost control over his curse mark. This only happened due to his desperation to beat Itachi. Oro doesn’t only escape if Hebi Sasuke runs out of chakra (as seen against Deidara). While Hebi Sasuke can summon Manda, I think Amaterasu can deal with him (as well as the eight branches snake) relatively easily. We don’t even know if Manda will even listen to Hebi Sasuke.

CursemarkSenjutsu: Hebi Sasuke lost control of Chakra 2x in the same day, so that also could be a factor. It reminds me of Naruto's Kyuubi if u consider that. And Ororchimara knew about the Amaterasu, just as others have, and yet he was going to face off Itachi, Im sure he had a plan, or just his Substitution negs any physical ninjutsu or Taijutsu, and he knows not to look at Itachi either. So I see no problem with Orochimaru defeating MS Sasuke. And you are right ab out the Orochimaru leaving his body but even then, Hebi Sasuke threw kanas at Itachi,s Susano'o, and he knows about the Amamteraatsu, to he will surely stay back. He only attacked Itachi's Susano'o as a last option, as even then dans did it and nothing happened.

Sidd77 wrote: Putting him under genjutsu will cost Hebi Sasuke chakra, something he can’t afford to lose.

CursemarkSenjutsu: But Sasuke also has Aoda (MS Sasuke went straight to switch his eyes to EMS after he sparred w Kakashi, so there isn't any time difference to believe he acquired Aoada while half asleep transferring his eyes.

Basically it comes down to who runs out of chakra first Sorry for the long read, just putting what I think out there 😅

CursemarkSenjutsu: No problem, great arguments btw 😅.