Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-27418151-20160124021607/@comment-26357422-20160124133521

QuakingStar wrote: Hiruzen was said to surpass Tobirama who equals EMS Madara, at a young age in DB4. Therefor Kishi's facts about Hiruzen being tied, or stronger than Hashirama have to be true. I would LOVE to see a prime Hiruzen vs Hashirama battle, true strongest incarnate vs strongest non-incarnate. hiruzen is dead meat here ....tobirima might be equal to alive EMS madara when comes to taijutsu or ninjutsu...but when it comes to perfect susanoo..... madara's perfect susanoo = multimountain level cutter and can rival the tail beasts

EMS perfect susanoo madara >>>>> prime hiruzen > tobirama ....no point of hashirama vs hiruzen ...... when sage mode hashirama + top transformed buddha > EMS madara + perfect susanoo armored kurama