Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-33030270-20170916201627/@comment-25643824-20170920154048

UntappedRage wrote: It's not like Madara can stomp The Last Sasuke in a few seconds.

If anything, given how powerful all 4 of them are, this will not be a 1v1 situation for any of them.

You kind of have to remember that his regular Chidori was able to obliterate something as dense as a meteorite. Sure, it wasn't Earth Style, by judging from the performance of the 8 Gate users and reaction of Kakashi, no one else could've stopped it.

You also need to remember that this is not his 4th War self, and his speed and strength have most likely vastly improved, because their bodies and techniques simply get stronger with time.

This Naruto and Sasuke have had time to train and hone their techniques they learned from the 4th War, so I doubt their will be any stomping of any kind a 1v1 situation between Sasuke vs. Madara.

The problem here is that you're implying SM Rinnegan Madara can kill Sasuke easily. Well I'm here to tell you otherwise, good sir.

Yes, Limbo is a major advantage of Madara. Yes, Sasuke and Naruto have no direct counter. However, there are two factors that prevent this from being a winning factor at all.
 * A) Sasuke can see them, thus warning Naruto of their presence
 * B) Limbo has never killed anybody (not saying it can't, just pointing that out)
 * C) Once aware that Limbo cannot be affected by anything within their dimension, they can figure out a way to avoid the Limbo clones all together.
 * Sasuke can enter Susanoo
 * Naruto can fly in KCSM Mode.
 * The Limbo clones can't fly, and are limited in options against any form of Susanoo, let alone Perfect Susanoo.

Yes, they knocked out all 9 Tailed beats at once, but as we know, Naruto and Sasuke's avatar modes are most likely stronger than they were during the fourth war, and they were limited in effectiveness against Rinnegan Sasuke anyway, since they can't hit him if he sees them coming.

Perfect Susanoo can fly as well.

So what happens now? We know that KCSM Naruto is most likely faster than Hashirama, who was unable to even contend with TTJ Obito's speed, let alone Toneri's speed, and he can fly and make many more clones that match and exceed the number Hashi can make.

Wood Style most likely ineffective against extremely fast flying opponents, and would have to deal with Naruto's clones transformed into TBM on the ground with his Senju Buddha Avatar. He cannot move in this state, and is vulnerable to a flying Naruto.

At this point Sasuke and Madara enter Perfect Susanoo, and battle each other. Nobody can gain any ground against each other, because we don't know how powerful Sasuke's is compared to Madara's. They most likely match each others in raw power.

Madara cannot summon the Gedo statue, as Sasuke is pressuring him, and Naruto's numerous clones can assist in this endeavor, and he realises it would most likely be useless as it can only extract the TB from a Jinchuuriki while said Jinchuuriki are manifesting their TBM. Naruto can fly, and his clones can handle TBM, so he doesn't need to.

From what we've seen from Boruto the Movie and what we know of it, Wood Style is ineffective against Majestic Attire: Susanoo, and nothing about the series has ever suggested clones of Naruto and Sasuke cannot do this.

Obviously many individual Kurama's and a few Majestic attire Susanoo's will keep Madara at bay, yes? They might even overpower Madara's own PS Clones he will undoubtedly make.

NOTE: Majestic Attire Susanoo wields a sword with enhanced cutting power, and can be augmented by TBB's.

We've never seen Hashirama make more than one Buddha, but lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say he can supplement this with his Sealing Gates and more wood clones, so Naruto does not straight up Blitz him.

His sealing gates effectiveness are questionable against these two, especially since alive NON-SM NO RINNEGAN Madara could break away from it, and we know Naruto and Sasuke are stronger than that version. Yes, they sealed the Ten-Tail's, but Madara broke out of many of them stacked together.

So logically, Non-SM No Eyes Madara > Ten-Tails. And Rinnegan Sasuke/KCSM Naruto (The Last) > Non-SM No Eyes Madara.

We know that KCSM Naruto is most likely stronger in physical strength, has sensing abilities on par with what we've seen from Hashirama, and is much, much faster as he is bolstered by a protective chakra cloak added on with Sage Mode durability.

Naruto can take out Hashirama in CQC on top of the Buddha head, as he struggles to multitask fighting flying Naruto's and his clones in TBM with some enhanced with Majestic Attire. Hashirama flat out loses.

Madara struggles to gain any ground, as he is faced with numerous clones of Naruto in TBM mode, with some in Majestic attire, as well as the original Sasuke in PS. The fact is simple. He is losing.

His Limbo clones are of no use in a giant avatar battle, as they cannot enter Susanoo and lack the power needed to do any damage at all. He is outnumbered, outgunned, and his SM isn't really any help either.

Any meteorites he summons are a waste of chakra, as Naruto and Sasuke can destroy them easily. Hashirama has been defeated as well, and now Naruto Prime rejoins the battle with the remainder of his clones.

There is no way Madara wins this battle.

I'm also not implying Sasuke or Naruto are making a crap ton of clones as well. Just enough to overpower both Hashirama and Madara. Not thousands, not hundreds, but Naruto can at least make clones numbering in the 20's-30's, some flying, some in TBM. Sasuke need only make 4 or 5 at the most, since they are used for Majestic Attire Anyway.

TL;DR: Naruto and Sasuke win, because with their power levels this devolves into a straight up giant avatar battle of death, and Madara has no advantages as he would on the ground. Limbo is ineffective with his opponents in the air, and Hashirama is just simply outclassed, with his Wood Style ineffective against fast flying targets, as well as restraining the chakra of Majestic Attire clad Kurama's, as they simply cut through it with their giant chakra swords.

He's gone, Madara's gone too.

THAT IS ALL

I understand you point and I partially agree, however both hashirama and Madara both have huge avatars also. And I hashirama wood clone even fooled Madara,they both had very durable wood clones and as we saw Madara can cloak his in mini susano and they were more than a much for the five kage (And this wasn't TTJ Madara) I can only see naruto being able to deal with these with his biju cloak clones but then there is also the limbo clones. Madara has vast Jutsu knowledge both have great durability (Madara due to hashi transplant and SM).

I'm sorry I just don't see this version of naruto and sasuke overcoming those odds.

And like I said My post were basically to show that this ridiculous talk about Sasuke defeating both was a huge load of BS.