Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-142748-20150410212019/@comment-142748-20150411031025

ItachiWasAHero wrote: Tsukuyomi, his sheer speed(as shown against KC Mode Naruto) and his Sword of Totsuka. Most of which is useless. Itachi didn't even display any sheer speed against KCM Naruto, for one simple fact: Naruto met Itachi's blitz, not the other way around, and then carried on a casual conversation. Its not a speed feat at all for Itachi or for Naruto. And Totsuka is useless against all of Hashirama's arsenal.

Hashirama himself isn't going to be susceptible to Itachi's speed (given he can fight people faster and keep up), and Tsukuyomi is useless against someone who fought stronger Uchiha on a regular basis and knows how to fight Uchiha without making eye contact, especially given Hashirama is a sensor he doesn't even need to look at Itachi to locate and attack him. Itachi always masterfully uses Genjutsu in his battles. Shame most require eye contact which Hashirama can easily avoid. Hashirama is neither a Jinchuriki or a Mangekyo Sharingan user, Madara does not have tsukuyomi(which is stated that only a MS user or above can get out of, and sasuke boosted with CS2 was able to get out with his 3 tomoe sharingan) so he doesn't count, so with his Tsukuyomi and Sword of Totsuka, combined with his masterful strategic thinking, he would catch Hashirama before he ran out of stamina and seal him. I think its safe to say, by being Asura's chakra reincarnation as well as a Senju, Hashirama does have a built in defense against Tsukuyomi just like a Uchiha given he's descended from the Sage as well. And its not like he has to meet eye contact - Hashirama spent what, two decades fighting Uchiha. You don't think he learned HoW to avoid eye contact?

Madara's genjutsu is stronger than Itachi's too due to being able to create a limitied Infinite Tsukuyomi to explain his plan to Obito and control Kurama with ease. Itachi doesn't need to fight Hashirama for hours on end to win. That's not his fighting style. And Hashirama doesn't need hours to defeat Itachi now does he? He never fought a Rinnegan user before yet how fast did he beat Chibaku Tensei and utterly shut down the Rinnegan Summons? Figuring out Chibaku Tensei isn't a good intelligence feat. All Itachi said was to fire the strongest attacks at the core to try to blow it up, nothing particularly intelligent there (considering a mindless, berserk Six-Tail Naruto did the same).

And the Rinnegan Summons? There were two of them, immobile, thus blindspots that Kabuto created. Its not that impressive at all in hindsight. He always figures things out near instantly and comes up with the best counters/solutions. Itachi is simply different or as Kabuto puts it when he was an Edo Tensei Itachi is simply on an entirely different level than all his other Edo Tensei's. First of all, that was a mistranslation. A bad one. Kabuto was impressed by Itachi's counter, but Madara was his best Edo Tensei. Nagato was the second best. We've kind of known this for years, given your talks with Seelantau you did get the correct translation for the chapter right?