Infobox talk:Tobi

Perhaps yeah, but this image shows his face upclose like many other profile pictures does, and it also shows his tobi mask with the sharingan eye, which i think is far better than just the mask with a black hole, that we already do have in the all the images in the plot section of the article. Or should i try rommaging around for other images were the sharingan is visible in the mask? --Gojita (talk) 13:10, August 21, 2010 (UTC)Gojita


 * The sharingan is shown in the article already, and sorry if things have changed, but wasn't there a rule that went something like, the main pic should show the first appearence. As i recall, they never showed the Sharingan in the beginning. They showed it mid-way through..AlienGamer (Userpage ⁝ Talk) 13:12, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * sorry but i am not familiar with that rule either, and my point is that the picture is with both Sharingan AND Mask which is nowhere else in the article(don't count the one where he removes it to show sasuke)--Gojita (talk) 13:40, August 21, 2010 (UTC)Gojita


 * It seems that the poilcy is still in place: Narutopedia:Image policy under Placement in articles, second para. "For infobox images, we always use an image depicting the first appearance of the character. Basically for Naruto Uzumaki we prefer a image of him in Part I, and for Madara Uchiha we prefer an image of him as Tobi because that is the first appearance and primary appearance we see of him in the show."


 * The first appearence by Madara, was well as Tobi, not as Madara, and hence, not with the sharingan..AlienGamer (Userpage ⁝ Talk) 13:43, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * My mistake sorry, but i don't belive it makes a difference since his Tobi persona is somewhat different and also placed as a sub article for itself, to compare we have done the same to Nagato/Pain, where we originally used the the image of Pain but later switched to the image of Nagato, even though his first appearance was as Pain. Therefore i believe it is okay to add an image with the mask and the sharingan without breaking the rules. --Gojita (talk) 13:49, August 21, 2010 (UTC)Gojita


 * Pain is a technique, similar to Sasori's Puppet Technique, therefore, we never really saw Nagato till they showed him. We saw his, well for lack of a better word, puppets. Nagato's first appearence was as himself. Madara is Madara, no secrets...AlienGamer (Userpage ⁝ Talk) 13:52, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

I feel that we are at a staltmate. Rules asside, which i still don't belive i am breaking with that image, what do you think of the idea that the profile image shows the sharingan instead of the simple black hole of the mask? Also i think we should get some third or fourth party opinions --Gojita (talk) 14:00, August 21, 2010 (UTC)Gojita


 * Meh, Its up to u..I'm no longer up for prolonged debates. But since u asked my opinion, I dont quite like the Sharingan pic, because its too much of a close up. But yes, its best to look for more opinions...AlienGamer (Userpage ⁝ Talk) 14:02, August 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Then give me some hours with my videos and 'print screen' button and i will see what i can find. --Gojita (talk) 14:04, August 21, 2010 (UTC)Gojita


 * I agree with AlienGamer. Although I don't think showing the Sharingan breaks the rules, the image is far too close up. It puts the focus on the Sharingan specifically, and not on the character as a whole. —ShounenSuki (talk 17:44, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

we should change the picture in the infobox anyway because it doesnt resemble madaras current appereance.
 * Infobox images show the character as they were when introduced, not their current appearance, otherwise no Konoha 11 would have part 1 images in their infoboxes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:56, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Comma
Can somebody please put a comma in between "Tobi" and "Second of the Six Paths"? KazeKitsune (talk) 14:13, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Age
He's over 80. I don't know how to do references, but he states it in chapter 398. "It all starts more than 80 years ago. Back then, the world was embroiled in endless battles, an era of warring states. Nations were fighting over their right to exist or to expand their borders...We of Uchiha possessed exceptional chakra and the Sharingan. Excelling in all types of warfare, we became known as a battle clan. And then I was born..." -Madara. So, I feel we should add "Over 80" or "Around 80" to his infobox. Timeel39 (talk) 06:16, April 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * The 80 dates back to when Uchiha and Senju were reaching the height of their rivalry and deciding upon peace. At that time Madara was probably in his early twenties. So Madara is probably nearing or exceeding triple digits, which is too vague for the infobox. ~SnapperTo 06:26, April 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, but I still feel like he clearly explains the sequence of events with "more than 80 years ago...and then I was born." Thanks for giving a reason, though :)