Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-44455926-20191119200613/@comment-44455926-20191125193948

@Starscream

Scenario: Happening in a random forest. They engage in their base forms, for some reason Jiraiya doesn't kill him there but retreats to enter sage mode, Naruto uses the time to enter sage mode himself. When both do, Naruto either senses Jiraiya, or Jiraiya tries to attack him from his blind spot, Naruto sees it coming, Jiraiya then goes around Naruto, trying to find and opening, just like he did with the 3 pains, when he notices he can't get a hold of Naruto, he pulls out of close range combat, maybe tries the massive rasengan? I feel like Naruto could avoid that one easily. On an open field Jiraiya doesn't have any tactical advantages, retreating and regrouping would be very hard, i don't see him beating Naruto in such a situation. In a closed space like the pipes of the Rain village Jiraiya has much better chances, using his surroundings etc.

Again what the point of comparing sage Naruto and Jiraiya if the Nine Tails comes out?????? Does that make Sage Mode Naruto stronger?? For the 54th time, we compare their sage modes during the pain arc, Kurama *can* be a factor if he actually wants to help him snap out of a genjutsu or give him chakra but if he starts transforming into the nine tails it's not SM Naruto vs SM Jiraiya.