Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-36649908-20180820043133/@comment-36649908-20181122074033

LaughingLyon wrote: “Messing up the Naruto world” lol Kishi fucked his world long before anyone else touched it

If Naruto and Sasuke........

Its not fucking it up when you are the one making it from scratch. He made the world, and kaugya along with her son were part of that world’s history. And those two got the “plot device power ups” specifically to fight a god. The whole show built up to fighting madara and kaguya (then sasuke). They are the biggest threat that world has ever seen. Boruto was just given the kama, but for what? Being the one to land the final hit? Boruto and some of the character of this new generation are just being handed stuff.

As for Jigen, I refer you back to Naruto being given power to fight a god. Hashirama was the strongest ninja in history before Naruto. He was so strong that the only person to rival him was able to EASILY beat 5 kage at the same time, all of him were considered to be beyond exceptional ninja. Kabuto himself said no one has been born that could match hashirama. When Naruto and sasuke were given power from the sage they far surpassed hashirama’s strength. Hashirama and madara were so strong it was like something out of a fairy tail, they were damn near inhuman. Naruto and sasuke have reached a hight that should be completely unattainable by anyone unless they get power from the sage or the ten tails.

But now here comes someone no one has ever heard of and he is as strong as that? That is total BS. As Naruto is, he could EASILY beat every enemy in the original series except the ten tail jinchuriki and kaguya.

Its about the fact that that level of strength is beyond humans.

The tenseigan and Hamura being on the moon isn’t in the manga buy they were created by kishimoto himself. Also even if we consider Naruto the ten tails jinchuriki –the combination of him and hamura’s chakra isn’t anything new. That was all in Kaugya and she didn’t have the jogan. All doujutsu stem from her, the byakugan obviously. The rinnesharingna rinnegan mangeky sharingan  sharingan (in a de-evolution or watered down order). The tenseigan is the closest thing to an exception, as it was a kind of evolved form of the byakugan with hamura’s power.

As for kara knowing about the Otsusuki --- back to what I said in the previous comment. The only information about the otsusuki clan in the world were on the stone tablet. The only people that could read it were madara and black zetsu. But at this point it wouldn’t surprise me if the new writers give one of the kara members a set of their own rinnegan they made.

Kadmus Prime wrote: But he still landed the final blow, Sasuke didn't have enough power to deal the finishing blow, Naruto couldn't move and the Kage were out of commission. So Boruto was the only person that stood there to do something. Like you said '''Naruto gave the power and Sasuke ….……

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Except that you said it yourself –naruto and sasuke were specifically given power to fight a god. Bortuo isnt’ fighting a god, he just happened to be in the right place at the right time. Hell if it wasn’t for boruto and his sciene ninja tool, Naruto might not have had to sacrifice himself to protect the village.

And I’d make a good argument that Naruto and sasuke deserved power like that, they both struggled and fought hard to get to where they were.

Naruto and sasuke HAVE reached a level of power that should be WELL beyond any human potentional. Let’s circle back to they needed it to fight a GOD. And you can still have a good story that way. For example -- the original series had the land of waves arc with zabuza being the biggest threat. Zabuza and haku were very dangerous to kakashi and team 7, and it was a good story. But if the 3rd hokage or jiraya was there then they could have easily beaten them both. Naruto can’t be everwhere, there can still be challenges for the other characters, as the hokage he will spend the vast majority of his time in the village.

I don’t think they should have made a boruto anime, kishimito thought the ending was good as it was and didn’t want to keep it going. These writers and anime studio are just trying to squeeze every drop out of this series, just like they did with the fillers in shippuden.

Read what I said about about comparing Naruto to hashirama’s level of strength. There is no way boruto should ever match that.

Boruto is absolutely not getting the same treatment as Naruto and sasuke. Those two went through a hell of a lot more than him before the series even started, and they both fought a lot harder to get their skills. Boruto has had things just handed to him.

As for the Jigen thing—nagato was in the shadows, but he was still known. Obito was pretty much a secret. But neither one of them was anywhere near as strong as Naruto is. And how are you going to compare Jigen to the literal god of that world? Naruto and sasuke are the closest to her strength without the ten tails, and they are only that strong because of the sage of six paths.

I have seen many contradictions and I won’t list them all, but I can give few examples. First the byakugan – in the original series anyone with the byakugan was born with it and they always had it, they could turn it on and off but they couldn’t make it disappear. In boruto they said that you have to train to develop the byakugan and apparently himawari and make it disappear like the sharingan. Second walking on walls with chakra – in the original series the new ninja didn’t learn about that until after they graduated the academy, and it still took a genius like sasuke (at the age of 12) a few days to learn it. But in boruto all the children can do it halfway through the academy, maybe even before they got in. That is crazy, kids at that age shouldn’t be able to learn that. Maybe geniuses like itachi and kakashi but everyone? They shouldn’t have the capacity to learn it at that age? Third is the fact that the academy takes years (about 4 on average), so the kids get older—you can see pictures of Naruto and sasuke early in the academy where they are clearly younger than we see them in the first episode. But the boruto character look the exact same leaving the acdemy than when they go in. That is just lazy on the part of the writers and creators.

As for toneri knowing about the Jogan—that is another problem from the new writers. How could he possible know about it?  His knowledge has been very limited to what they were taught on the moon and the Jogan has never been seen before. But now he can speak to people in dreams, see things in space (without any eyes), and read the future? No one has been able to see in the future like that, not even kaguya or hagormo. The writers are just trying to set up boruto for everything. There was one prophecy in the original series, and it was vague. Jirya thought it was three different people over time, it’s not like it said “Naruto will solve everything”. They are just trying desperately to one up Naruto/shippuden.

And I circle back to nothing in boruto has led to the jogan in the past (in kaugya or her children). The Jogan is far more of a cheat than the sharingan, and the sharingan doesn’t activate on it’s own. Sasuke isn’t’ just about to take a punch and his sharingan turns on of it’s own accord so he can dodge. The sharingan does greatly increase their perception, enough so sasuke could turn the tide on nauto in their first fight, but Naruto was only so much faster than sasuke. Momoshiki was knocking out kage in one hit and two of them didn’t even have time to react. Boruto was having to cheat to beat genin the day before, but his jogan makes him go from that to being faster than kage? Comparing that difference in the sharingan to the jogan is a HUGE difference. Sasuke in his fight with Naruto wouldn’t have been able to fight against kakashi with his sharingan on, let alone powerful kage. And sasuke was far above the average genine.

The sharingan maturing into the full 3 tomoe vs turning on it’s own is not sematics. Turning on on it’s own is like if sasuke’s mangekyo sharingan activated and made the Susanoo without him doing it on his own.

The new writers are changing elements to a pre-existing story to suit their needs. Pain is no where near as strong as Naruto, and his main strength came from the rinnegan—which isn’t even to bridge that gap in strength. It’s not favoritism, its back to contradictions—they could have made a good story using the same “rules” that kishimoto made.

And you call it favoritism, but I am being realistic to that world’s standard. Compare Naruto and sasuke’s strength to the characters in the original show, how is anyone supposed to match that?

I have absolutely no “delusion” that they are trying to make everyone stronger than Naruto. But it is clear they are setting up boruto for that, and Jigen is somehow just as strong.

It should say something that kishimoto was fine leaving the story as it was.