Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-43403813-20200102180859/@comment-43403813-20200109135512

Alright I'll concede that Minato may not reach Obito in order to stab him, but in terms of Nagato, I think Nagato can. Nagato just has much farther reach in terms of techniques.

Well, that's wrong, because Nagato has used his clones before in fights. He used his Shadow Clones before he got emaciated by the Gedo Statue, and then he was forced to think of more complicated ninjutsu i.e. Mirrored clones, shapeshifting clones, his six paths techniques, etc.

Let's pretend that Nagato has never used any type of clones before for argument's sake, except for one occasion, just to show that he has the feat. Saying that "he doesn't use it in fights so let's not include it" is a fallacy in of itself, and can be contradicted with what many people validate as viable techniques in fights:

- Obito used genjutsu on the 9-tails once, and the majority of the fanbase is deadset on Kid Obito having the entire 9-tails as his fighting style.

- Itachi, on one occasion, used a Tsukuyomi so potent that it shut down his girlfriend's brain. People have used this argument in many versus battles on this website.

What I think is, if the individual has shown the ability to use the technique, and has been pictured using it in combat (including stronger derivatives of the same ninjutsu), then it should be allowed in a MU.

The clue's in the name. Shadow Clones are identical to their caster in every way. The only changing variable is the amount of chakra put into each one. Obito only experienced that pain because he just popped in a Rinnegan and started using it within days. Nagato had his entire life to get accustomed to its power. The knowledge of the clone, the strain of the techniques that had been used etc, are all passed back to the original caster if the Shadow Clone dies.

I mean, people already argue this stuff for Obito already. People say that DMS Obito insta-wins against anyone since he just snipes their heads off with Left Eye Kamui at the beginning of the fight. So I don't see why Obito can't use Kamui in that way. But he'd still need to remain tangible whilst using Kamui on whatever bodypart. There's also the fact that Nagato can completely heal himself with the Naraka Path, and leave Obito occupied with his clones. If its a feasible notion and fits all of their ability descriptions throughout the manga, then it passes. For example, I could argue that Nagato could make one shadow clone, and they go on either side of someone, use Bansho Tenin, and then rip his body into two pieces. (fyi I'm not including this as something Nagato would do, its just funny to think about lol)

If Nagato rips out Obito's soul, the soul would disappear (like it usually does) and Obito would disappear. And then he would re-appear somewhere else, and then Nagato would sense him immediately. It's not like Obito would continue to use Kamui whilst his soul is outside of his body completely lmao.