Talk:Tobirama Senju

The academy
i don't think tobirama founded the academy because how he found it but you can clearly see in manga while hashirama telling sasuke his way what is a village and shinobi somewhere after madara death you can see the academy was found while hashirama was alive. also he told madara his dreams about that children is given mission to match and to grow their skills. I will say tobirama created the police. he also didn't found konoha it was hashirama with madara told that you can see everything it was madara name it. Tobirama also created the chunin exams. please help me to understand all details.

Next time please create a heading so I won't have to do it for you, and also sign your post please, Tobirama did create the academy, this could of been done when he was not Hokage It doesn't have to be when he was Hokage (but that has created confusion with the latest chapter but i won't to into that) and yes he did create the police force and he did not found Konohagakure as that was his brother Hashirama and madara and yes he created the chunin exams most of what you said Is included in the article I'll ask other members of the wiki about my point which is in brackets as I'm also not sure -- Jmootam 1999 16:43, April 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * It was never said he created it when he was Hokage, he was simply credited with creating it. When was never stated.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 18:35, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Not true, it was about 43 years before QB attack, thus circa 60 years prior to current events. Thus even if he wasn't Hokage when he did, it was 5 years after the village's founding which means Hashi lived to see it. Possibly Hashi passed on the hat to Tobirama long before his death, but that contradicts timeline thus let's settle on that Tobirama founded the training facility without a hat (for now)--Elveonora (talk) 18:58, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Flying Thunder God
When did the chapter actually say that Tobirama knew Hiraishin and that he wasn't bound by the same limitation as Minato? I didn't catch it. admittedly, Tobirama mentioned that "we" couldn't use it while they were bound (since Orichimaru wouldn't allow it, I presume), but it doesn't actually say he could use it. Skitts (talk) 22:46, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Mangastream scanlation is clearer. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:59, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

Well, time to add Flying Thunder God Technique to the jutsu section of the infobox, right? General Awesomo 00:09, April 11, 2013 (UTC) It's already there--Elveonora (talk) 00:13, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Tobirama and Minato use Flying Thunder God to teleport the  Kage they touched on the shoulder to their respective mountain Heads.--Hordy4040 (talk) 03:30, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

He used Hiraishin to warp himself and Hashirama to their stone heads, just like Minato used with himself and Hiruzen. So it needs to be added to Tobirama's Jutsu list. 96.241.55.117 (talk) 02:11, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's already in his jutsu list--Elveonora (talk) 11:51, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

No it is not in his jutsu list.. that's Flying Thunder God Slash, not Flying Thunder God. So it still needs to be added.ItachiWasAHero (talk) 10:39, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Gosh.... there are many errors with the jutsu infoboxes. It will come sooner or later. Relax, he's listed as a user, right? That's what counts. JaZZBaND (talk) 10:44, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

The current way the infobox is broken down, jutsu don't appear if they have appeared in both the manga and anime, but the user has only used them in one medium. FTG has appeared in both manga and anime, but since Tobirama has yet to be revealed a user in the anime, it doesn't show up. For example, neither Tobirama nor Hashirama have Bringer-of-Darkness in their infoboxes, because the genjutsu was used by one in the anime, and by the other in the manga. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:31, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Greatest Water User Revisited
The article lists a reference for this statement that says no such thing and then states that it shouldn't be changed. If he really has been referred to as such somewhere, shouldn't the reference indicate it? The databooks don't seem to say he was the greatest of all time, just highly skilled and known for his usage. Was it in the anime? Elsewhere?--BeyondRed (talk) 06:09, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

I don't have any problem with Tobirama being considered the best water user, I just think its bad form to use out-of-universe wording the specifically states this is a manga/anime. I think we should change "in the series" to something like "in history" or "to ever live".Steveo920 00:40 August 28, 2013

newest chapters
newest chapters confirm he can use the flying thunder god, he even says the 4ths is better then his, so is it a data box error or is it not added for some reason?--208.124.127.18 (talk) 06:26, June 5, 2013 (UTC) never mind, he is listed on the jutsu's page so I am guessing its a databox error.
 * He never said 4th's is better than his though, learn reading comprehension, I like how people see only what they want to see.--Elveonora (talk) 11:53, June 5, 2013 (UTC)

the translation I read does say it was better then his. I have great reading comprehension also thank you, Elveonora. guess I will wait until it literally says, I used the flying thunder god technique. for it to get added. --208.124.127.18 (talk) 00:13, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * the translation I am reading says "fourth...looks like my shunshin pales in comparison to yours."--208.124.127.18 (talk) 01:47, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's what every ones' and the raw said. Shunshin means body flicker though not Flying Thunder God which is Hiraishin.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 02:25, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like our anon overestimates his reading comprehension.--Elveonora (talk) 11:33, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Flying Thunder God is a Shunshin, when they are talking about Shunshin they refer Flying Thunder God. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 12:53, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't... read what Cerez wrote above--Elveonora (talk) 12:57, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes it is, it's the only technique that they could compare with each other, so they are referring to it as Shunshin, because Hiraishin is a Shunshin. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 13:00, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

What does any of this matter when Minato's speed is already established? We're down to arguing senseless technicalities now.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 13:31, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Is just to clarify a point, doesn't makes sense utilize basic Shunshin instead moving faster with Hiraishin, the Kunai used by Minato when he appeared in the battlefield showed that he was using Hiraishin, so the Shunshin they were referring was obviously Hiraishin. I am done here. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 13:44, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * You are done being wrong? Good to know. Minato arrived at the Alliance's location first because his Body Flicker is faster than the others' that's what Tobirama referred to, not the kunai--Elveonora (talk) 14:43, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

actually elveonora I didn't, I went back and it was redone as it usually is after a day as it usually is. but like dan. Faulkner said I am done here, the admins and users as this wiki are incompetent at their best. --208.124.127.18 (talk) 03:18, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

That was a good one, you should make a living out of your talent to amuse. Calling others incompetent won't make your testicles drop kiddo. Feel free to hit that big blue button up there and start your Naruto Fanon Wiki where you can be an example of competence to everyone by filling articles with what you falsely believe to be true.--Elveonora (talk) 11:46, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Weapon?
Should it worth mentioning under his tools sections that he had a kunai when his soul was being removed, and that used a sword when fighting Izuna Uchiha?--JustaNobody (talk) 21:08, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Him using a sword is listed under Kenjutsu, not sure that the kunai is worth mentioning, since using it is a common skill that most ninja have. TricksterKing (talk) 22:14, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

Again, that sounds ok then.--JustaNobody (talk) 22:38, June 7, 2013 (UTC)

already mentioned?
the legacy that tobirama was doing in his lifetime, one of it was the ftg and minato using it in the 3rd war, why we don't add it??, edo tensei is already mentiond too, so why you add it in the legacy?. User:Abdulrahman Al-Otaibi 8/4/2013 08:38 PM UTC

Folding Arms

 * Tobirama had the habit of folding his arms — a trait he's had since his youth.

Because, folding one's arms is so unique a trait, it deserves mention. Right? --Silver-Haired Seireitou (talk) 05:24, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well its not really very noteworthy and folding his arms doesn't do anything, ability wise. And so the only section I could think for it to be under is Trivia, but it is not very noteworthy, as I have already said. 06:27, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Shadow Clone Technique
The Shadow Clone Technique is not listed amongst his jutsu, even though he displayed his mastery of it and stated that he was its creator. I'm not allowed to edit the infobox, so could someone who is add it to his jutsu list? Veenp (talk) 16:58, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * When somebody uses a technique, we ad the user in the techniques infobox. Then the technique appears in the characters infobox. However, we are currently having some problems with the system, but Tobirama has been added the the Shadow clone infobox. So it should appear when everything is fixed. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 17:02, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Tobirama never fought Madara for 24 Hours
Hashirama and Madara were the only two people who fought at that location, so it shouldn't be added that Tobirama also fought there.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:56, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * And yet, Tobirama and the other clan members were magically present. Or are you really going to tell us they all gathered in a circle and held hands while Hashirama and Madara duked it out. Tobirama was standing right off to the side of Hashirama in the flashback, has stated multiple times he often fought side by side with his brother, and there was explosive smoke everywhere around the battlefield. It is stated that he, along with his clan mates, and Hashirama, fought against Madara together; which is true based on what was shown in the manga. The end. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 03:03, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Λ Took the words right outta my mouth. ~ Senju_Symbol.svgKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 03:46, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * TenTailedFox, you do realize that many points you brought up never happened in the chapter itself. The manga has Tobirama and other clan members talking with Hashirama over a defeated Madara. The manga never implies Madara fought the entire Senju Clan during that peace accord. You confused the battle before Tobirama killed Izuna with the one Madara had the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan for the first time which was a one on one fight.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 05:28, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

he has a point, it was never shown or stated the clan or tobirama was present during the battle between the two that lasted an entire day, only that they showed up near the end. also would seem pointless to bring them sense madara himself claims only hashirama can oppose him, and that anyone else would be trivial. wouldn't that just be asking for collateral damage bringing the clan along?--J spencer93 (talk) 05:42, August 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * I know exactly what I'm talking about and got nothing confused whatsoever. Tobirama was there, there was fighting, and we can prove that he said he fought alongside his brother on many serious occasions, which this would count as one of, so unless you have something to prove he didn't fight, he did, because the manga blatantly shows him there alongside Hashirama. Once again, if you really intend to tell me the clan showed up to just twiddle their thumbs and sing Hashirama's praises while Hashirama and Madara blew each other to smithereens, I'm not buying it. He was present for the battle, that is mentioned in the article. End of story. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol.svg 06:24, August 29, 2013 (UTC)