Talk:Sasori/Archive 2

Infobox Vandalism
I noticed his family section has been vandalized with him being named his own cousin and his father his uncle, this is the second I have noticed such a vandalism and think we need to go over to other character info boxes for potential family section vandalism. I would do it but I lack the know how to edit info boxes. We could just limit the search to Sand Ninja as the previous vandalism occurred in Gaara's family section on his info box(fixed long ago).Umishiru (talk) 02:56, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not a vandalism. That's a bug in the infoboxes. It's weird because it had been fixed before, and no other infoboxes which had that problem are showing it at the moment. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:58, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, I take its a Central Wiki problem?Umishiru (talk) 03:00, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Not really. The other infoboxes which had that problem (people being listed as their own nephews and nieces) are ok. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:03, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Puppets
User:Domynyk 15:45, February 9, 2011, (UTC)
 * 1) Can Sasori repair the destroyed human puppets?
 * 2) He had 298 puppet. Are all of them human puppet?
 * 3) How many puppets he uses during the red secret technique?
 * 4) The puppets from the red secret technique are included in the 298?

3: 100 4: yes --The tyrant kuma (talk) 16:02, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

1: Most likely not. 2:He has that amount of human puppets, if I'm not mistaken. We don't know how many puppets he had in total. 3: The title says 100, but there are about 140 in the actual manga chapter. 4: Already answered. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:02, February 9, 2011 (UTC)

Hiruko's tail
Where is Hiruko's tail? I've seen a video about a conversation between Deidara and Sasori about Orochimaru. During this Sasori was repairing Hiruko, but there wasn't its tail in the puppet's mouth. User:Domynyk 21:17, February 10, 2011, (UTC)

Sasori's Emotions
Ok,I remember Sasori's saying that because he made himself into a puppet,he doesn't have any emotions.But when he didn't block the attack from his 'Mother' and 'Father' doesn't that mean atleast something? This question has been stuck in my head for a while and I need an anwser please.


 * He could have been lying when he said that... My theory is that since his heart was still the only living thing in his body (and emotion is said to come from the heart), he was still able to feal/express emotion... Anyways, he has expressed anger towards Deidara a few times, leading him nearly striking Deidara's with Hiruko's iron tail... User:D!ABLO-32


 * Technically, we don't know which part of his body he kept in the puppet. Given the location, it suggests the heart, it could just as easily be the brain, which is where thought and emotion are actually processed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:49, March 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you view Sasori's page, read Sasori Background section, second paragraph, it states there "... Sasori eventually converted himself into a human puppet... but retained his heart - the only still-living part of his body - in a cylindrical container in the left part of his chest." User:D!ABLO-32


 * Didn't see that. However, I don't see a reference for the heart part. I think it's very easy to presume it's the heart due to the location and vessels around the cylinder, but I'd still like to see a panel or databook entry saying it was the heart. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:28, March 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * The heart thing is simply incorrect, as it was never in any way stated what part of his body is inside that container, if there even is a single part of his body in there, or if whatever is in there is still identifiable as a human body part.
 * We no longer live in the Middle Ages; no-one any longer believes the heart is actually the source of emotions. It is merely symbolic nowadays.
 * Sasori has obviously shown emotion at various times throughout the manga. He might have claimed he no longer had them, but it should be clear he was merely fooling himself and that his emotions caused his (voluntary) downfall in the end.
 * —ShounenSuki (talk 00:30, March 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ever notice that it beats, like a heart does?... Anyways, since it is quite a long cylinder, and considering that this living part fills up the whole cylinder (which wouldn't be possible for a single human heart to do), there could also be other human organs mixed up in there, namely: the brain, in there as well... Besides that, you can't always rely on real-world science and knowledge when it comes to Naruto because, really now, they have people to can turn themselves into puppets, and also have people that can fly... User:D!ABLO-32

Family
Shouldn't Ebizo (Chiyo's younger brother) be included in Sasori's infobox as Sasori's great-uncle?... User:D!ABLO-32
 * Yes he should. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:29, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I went to edit it and it says he's already listed there, it might be an infobox problem. He is listed as his own cousin, after all.  ~ Fmakck© → Talk → Contributions ~ 17:32, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I added Ebizo just after this was pointed out. Simant already listed the "appearing as his own cousin" bug in at wikia's bug wiki, but so far nothing. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:49, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Blurry Movements
In Sasori's article, it states "his movements became blurred to Sakura." I don't recall the anime/manga/databooks saying anything of the sort. Should it be removed, or is it factual? Puppetry (talk) 20:27, March 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sakura states that she can read his finger movements when he uses the Third Kazekage. His finger movements can't be seen when he uses Hiruko, he doesn't use fingers when he uses his 100 puppets, and he doesn't need to move anything when he uses himself. This all adds up to render that line bunk. ~SnapperTo 22:32, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bam S im A nt 00:50, March 16, 2011 (UTC)

Third Shinobi World War
Did Sasori sell or trade his puppets to other nations for the Third Shinobi World War? I ask because Sasori gained his title 'Sasori of the Red Sands' because his puppets were so successful in fighting in the Third Shinobi War, but Sunagakure wasn't a part of the fighting. So would he have sold,traded or rented his puppets to other nations during the Third Shinobi World War? 124.169.169.234 (talk) 08:16, April 17, 2011 (UTC)Woolfy
 * Whoever said Suna didn't fight in SWWIII? It was never directly stated they did, but it was certainly never denied either. Besides, it has been implied on multiple occasions that all five great villages fought in all three shinobi world wars. The hatred between Suna and Iwa seen during Gaara's speech to the allied army also points at them having fought in SWWIII. —ShounenSuki (talk 10:16, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

Medical-nin
In the English dub version of Shippuden episode 25, "Three Minutes Between Life and Death", Sasori states, "I've got more medicial skill than anyone in the Sand Village" as seen here from 4:25 to 4:33. Shouldn't he be classified as a medical-nin in his infobox? Sfpippin (talk) 03:57, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * But he isn't. Stuff got lost in translation.--Cerez365™☺ 11:42, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe his action words are "I know the extent of Sunagakure's medical teams" or similar. I don't remember ever reading an translation in which Sasori said he himself had medical abilities. Sasori only uses poison, and the most medical-like skill he is mentioned having is how to turn a human into a human puppet, not really something that counts as a medical-nin skill. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:25, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Great Shinobi world war
Does sasori die again in the manga? I have been thinking about it for awhile... He turned to ash, Does Madara revive him? I hope so!
 * Madara has never displayed the ability to revive anyone and yes Sasori dies again.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 16:25, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Genjutsu
I'm just wondering..would Sasori(using Scorpion) be affected by a genjutsu? I mean his body(scorpion) is only a puppet.--27.110.228.229 (talk) 04:58, May 27, 2011 (UTC)GH45
 * Illusions affects the mind. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 05:00, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

So does it affect him?--27.110.228.229 (talk) 06:39, May 27, 2011 (UTC)GH45
 * I would guess so, although nobody tried to use one on him. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 11:40, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

Revived
Sorry for this forum-like question, (isn't it?), when he's revived isn't still a puppet? or he has his body? --Ilnarutoanime 12:25, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's just his soul using a lifeless body as a vessel to cross into the "pure world". So no puppet.  ~ Fmakck© (Images 12:28, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * So his face was his "real" one since of his age? --Ilnarutoanime 12:29, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * We don't have a definite answer on that. Sasori came back as a real body, but he retained his young face, the one he had as a puppet. Maybe self-image affects the soul, and that affects how he looked. Only Kishimoto knows, if he ever spent time thinking on this issue. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:20, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sasori was young in spirit. ~SnapperTo 01:38, June 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah meng, his soul was having a midlife crisis too.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 01:46, June 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not really, I was really wondering that he still have his young face. He made himself a puppet. Thanks Fmakck, Snaps and Omni. --Ilnarutoanime 19:47, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Favorite puppet?
It says that Hiruko was Sasori's favorite puppet, but in the paragraph about the 3rd kazekage, it says that the latter was his favorite. Does he like both, or does he have a preference between those two? 113.116.169.114 (talk) 09:45, July 15, 2011 (UTC)Looking_up_references_for_a_fanfic
 * If I remember correctly, the word "favourite" translated into Japanese can mean "favourite" or "number 18". So Hiruko was number 18. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 14:30, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Jacce is right but it's the other way around, Hiruko was called his favourite not 18th, but at the same time he also called the Third Kazekage puppet his favourite as well.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 14:44, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah he both like the two puppet. --Ilnarutoanime 14:50, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * The way I see it, Chiyo remembered Hiruko to be Sasori's favourite puppet, because it was, but not knowing about the Third Kazekage puppet, she didn't know this one came to be the new favourite puppet. I don't remember Sasori himself saying Hiruko was his favourite, I remember Chiyo saying that. Sasori himself said the Third Kazekage was his favourite. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:52, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I will agree on you Omnibender. --Ilnarutoanime 15:05, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Chiyo (and the databooks) call Hiruko Sasori's. 十八番 refers to something (a technique or trick) that one prefers to use the most. One's speciality or favourite technique.

Sasori says that the Third Kazekage is. There is a subtle difference between the way the two are referred to, which is similar, but not mutually exclusive. —ShounenSuki (talk 23:20, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Immune to genjutsu
Should not it be mentioned ?--Elveonora (talk) 15:14, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Was genjutsu ever used on him for something like that to be stated?--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 15:16, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

He has no brain and no senses.--Elveonora (talk) 13:15, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Saying Sasori has not brain is probably wrong, since the rest of him would not be able to function. That canister that was his "heart" was probably more than just his actual heart.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 13:53, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd like to point out that it was never said in the manga that that canister was Sasori's heart. —ShounenSuki (talk 13:57, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

It was his physical part <_< just think it's reasonable to say that without any senses to affect due to having no brain, he is immune to it. --Elveonora (talk) 14:26, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * No one said he doesn't have a brain. For all we know, the thing in the canister was his brain, since we were never actually told what was in there, thus he could still be vulnerable to genjutsu. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:32, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * @Shounensuki: Could you tell us exactly what it was referred to. I think his article might require some touching up.--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 14:39, January 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * It has always bene called his or . It was never really specified what the core contains, exactly. —ShounenSuki (talk 15:03, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Swore I asked this, but what does the kanji on the core say O.o?--Cerez365™Hyūga Symbol.svg 15:11, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * . —ShounenSuki (talk 15:34, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

???
How did Sasori know that Tobi was his replacement in chapter 516? --Mr. Glasses the Brain Gremlin (talk) 21:19, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Read the chapter and find out for yourself. (I"m not trying to be mean or anying.) --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 21:50, March 22, 2012 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 * Don't recall it myself, but probably an off-panel conversation. Or maybe he recognised the ring in Tobi's finger. Does he still wear that ring? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:46, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't know either. --Elveonora (talk) 01:28, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

edo tensei
Should not we mention in trivia or something that Sasori wanted info on Oro's Edo Tensei and ended up being one ?--Elveonora (talk) 09:06, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

its very ironic, i vye fer not addin it.98.26.240.179 (talk) 10:00, June 3, 2012 (UTC)yomiko-chan
 * Nothing worth mentioning — ¤ U LTIMATE S UPREME¤ (T@lk)☺ 11:28, June 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Given that Sasori also wanted an immortal body, it could work it's way in there somehow.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:32, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

The fact he wanted Kabuto to bring him intel on Edo Tensei, and became one + what he says here http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/518/5 is ironic in my opinion.--Elveonora (talk) 14:41, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Young Sasori English Voice Actor
On this wiki it says that he is voiced as a young child by Kate Higgins. Yet, on Wikipedia, it says here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kari_Wahlgren in the section of Naruto Shippuden that Kari voiced Young Sasori....What. Which one is correct?--
 * Neither imdb nor Anime News Network credit her as voicing Sasori. She does have Naruto credits in the dubbed version, but none of those include Sasori. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:05, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Generic Sealing Method
Should Sasori be listed as a user of the Generic Sealing Technique as he uses it on his Third Kazekage (puppet)? He has a technique, Thousand Hands Manipulation Force, which is stated as being based off of the generic seals, so why isn't he listed as knowing it? Just no proof or what? Kaitan (talk) 04:03, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Really basic techniques, pretty much every thing that is listed as a basic/generic skill, isn't usually listed in individual articles, because pretty much everyone can perform those. Exceptions to this are people whose fighting style heavily features the technique (Tenten and Toroi for example), or if they are particularly skilled in it or renowned for its use (A and Shisui for example). Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:23, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

PLOT MISTAKE!?
Ok according to Sasori's page he fought in the Third Shinobi World War and gained the title Sasori of the Red Sand. And after the war he killed the 3rd Kazekage and turned him into a human puppet. The Third Kazekage's page says

"At some point, Sasori kidnapped and killed the Third Kazekage in order to turn him into a human puppet. According to Sasori, the effort involved in the Third's capture made it his favourite puppet. Sunagakure did not know this and searched earnestly for his whereabouts. With the outbreak of a war, the village was forced to give up the search and choose a Fourth Kazekage, though they still attempted to search for him in later years."

According to that, the Third Kazekage died BEFORE the war. So yeah... What now? lol Do we fix stuff, point out the mistake? Or am I making an error? Skarrj (talk) 09:02, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

It was my understanding that Sasori's parents died fighting Sakumo Hatake in the Second Shinobi World War when he was just a baby. When he grew up he gained fame for his puppet work and became Sasori of the Red Sand, but after killing the Third and leaving, it was Suna's search for the Kazekage that created tensions leading to the Third War. So I honestly didn't even think Sasori had fought in the Wars. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 11:40, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Someone didn't pay attention to the manga and anime. Sasori's parents died in the 3rd War. Chiyo taught him puppetry after this to help him get over it. Sasori became a shinobi and joined the war on Suna's side. He gained his title from making the sand turn red from the amount of enemies he could kill with his puppets. Sasori disappears and so does the Third Kazekage, no one knows what happened to either but it is presumed they were killed. Though it appears there is a plot mistake in there somewhere. Skarrj (talk) 13:54, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

I see the plothole... someone have to check the sources again. One states that he died a moments before the war started, the other that Sasori made the apparently still living 3rd a puppet during the war ._.--Elveonora (talk) 16:46, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

As far as I know, all articles relating to this say that Sasori's parents were killed in the second war, that his puppets were used to great effect in a war, leading to his epithet, that he left the village, and then kidnapped the Third, whose search is suggested to have ignited the third war. Do we have any mention of which war the puppets were used? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:41, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

um he could still have gained fame in the 3rd SWW and then kidnapped the 3rd Kazekage. If you remember what the Village Counsilers of Sunagakure said that there was a war after the 3rd was kidnapped because other villages took advantage of their loss.71.71.58.231 (talk) 21:12, January 19, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:New_Year%27s_Fact_Checking#More_Things --Elveonora (talk) 23:37, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sasori's 100 Puppets
Sasori says that he used his 100 puppets to destroy an entire nation. I'm wondering which nation it could have been.
 * we don't know, maybe it was an exaggeration. also, please sign your posts.94.135.242.181 (talk) 17:56, January 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Doesn't have to be an exaggeration, we just don't know which nation he destroyed with it.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 18:01, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Chūnin
If he was promoted to Chūnin by the age of 8. Why do you not put Chūnin as his ninja rank? --Axel Carrozzo (talk) 16:23, January 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * When was that ever mentioned ? o.O --Speysider Talk Page 17:06, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

It's in his infobox lol--Elveonora (talk) 17:18, January 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * I mean like when was it mentioned he even became a Chunin in the anime or even the manga ? --Speysider Talk Page 17:19, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

A Chūnin promotion age was mentioned in his databook information, doesn't mean that he was currently at the rank of chūnin. He could have been an Anbu or Jōnin.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 17:24, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * (ec) Third databook maybe. ~ Ultimate  Supreme  17:26, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Pages 80-83. Just shows the promotion age. Different from current rank.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 17:36, January 15, 2013 (UTC)