User talk:The Fox King

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Edits
Do not remove headlines. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 11:50, January 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * You need to stop adding random information to the pages without a viable source for it. --speysider (talk) 18:37, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

"Trash"
In Japanese, all of the Sound Five use the same word ("trash"). Please don't take the English anime's use of a thesaurus as evidence that they all say something different. ~SnapperTo 04:50, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Edit summaries
You don't read them, do you? Check mine in Gaara's history. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:17, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * I just assumed you didn't because you'd re-add that great length of text without making an edit summary yourself. From time to time, we trim character articles so they don't become unworldly long. Your edit is basically the opposite of one of those trimmings. If you feel that a particular section should go into more detail, particularly sections on older arcs, which already went through trimming, you should try using the talk page. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:34, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * A few sentences don't hurt, just don't overdo it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:35, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Killer B and control
Uhm so because something is taken from you by death means you never had it? Danzō stated that he was one of the few people to have done so. Furthermore you don't know anything about the previous jinchūriki like Mito and Kushina and so forth. In any case I've reworded it, hopefully you're satisfied with the end result.--Cerez365™ 02:58, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Killer B edit
We have no idea how Yagura died. Kushina survived the extraction didn't she? There might be a way that he did as well. Since we don't know how/ why the beast was extracted and the aftermath or whether or not he survived it we shouldn't note it. It isn't exactly crucial information.--Cerez365™ 15:44, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

In chapter 503, Kushina says she will take the nine tails with her when she dies, so the fox will be out of the way for a while. Since three-tails is pretty much the same, Yagura might have died and then three-tails was revived. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 15:54, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

You keep saying the word probably a lot. What I am saying is omit it until we have actual evidence of what happened to him. No one will suffer from its omission. Also remember to sign your posts with four ~ --Cerez365™ 16:12, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

The thing is that I don't recall any mention of three-tails being extracted in the manga or the anime. I guess the note in three-tails article was just a guess we made when Yagura was introduced, since that was the only logical explanation at that time. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 16:13, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

I'm aware of the Uzumaki's vitality but before Kushina survived the extraction didn't we all think that it was impossible yes? It's a simple fact that we don't know anything about the circumstances surrounding the beast's extraction s Akatsuki found it in the wild. It's known that the other jinchūriki of Shukaku, B's cousin, and the one's Akatsuki caught all died through that means but who is to say that Yagura didn't find a way to extract it and died some other way?

Also, a few more things:
 * Instead of editing the last post on a person's page just click the "Leave message"
 * You don't need to create a new topic for every message as long as it's related to the former you can leave it under the same one.
 * Remember to sign your posts.--Cerez365™ Hyūga Symbol.svg 16:18, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

But we don't assume. It's better to just omit it for now. He was revived so it's possible that we'll get some insight into his background.--Cerez365™ 17:31, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Then we don't state possibilities. Unless it's something staring you in the face but has yet to be said then we shy away from it and omit instead.Cerez365™ 17:38, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique
Please go an read the chapter/ look over the frames again. Minato is on top of his sculpture when he see's the fox not on the ground then he jumps off and summons Gamabunta on top of the Kyūbi.--Cerez365™ 17:00, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

That's the whole point of the technique though. Also you can see Minato and the "trail" from where he jumped" on top of Gamabunta.--Cerez365™ 17:13, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

I see this has been solved already. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:13, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Madara's Mangekyō
This is the image you're removing from Madara's page, saying that it's his regular Mangekyō. This is Madara's original Mangekyō, and this is his Eternal Mangekyō. You can clearly see the bars from Izuna's Mangekyō in it. Please stop removing it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:09, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't recall it ever appearing blue. The one possible explanation I think for that is that you see it during when there was a lightning strike in the background, which could make the red appear blue. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:17, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Gaara
Gaara's epithet literally means "of the Sand Waterfall". It's a homophone of the Japanese word for "desert", but they're written with different kanji. It's kind of a pun. Viz's translation simply doesn't show that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:28, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Hyping
It's creating hype. That bit you added to Madara's page is basically like an advertisement of his powers, which is really unnecessary, specially considering the rest of the sentence, which says he's considered my lots of powerful people to be one of the most gifted ninja ever. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:01, November 2, 2011 (UTC)

Edo Tensei & Imperfections
Though I understand where you're coming from, I don't think you should be comparing Part I resurrections to Part II as it would seem that Kishimoto has revamped taken a few things or maybe it's the user, who knows... Any way, If you look at all the persons that Kabuto has taken full control of, they still have cracks running along their body. With regards to Madara being controlled, no one's ever said that he was, he has no qualms about killing people so giving him orders would be unnecessary.--Cerez365™ 02:42, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

I've made my response on the talk page, sorry I really can't be bothered to copy it so you can just head there to see it.--Cerez365™ 04:23, December 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Madara and Hashirama
I don't know how else to say it, but you're writing your own opinions into the article. Hashirama has never been show to be arrogant as far as we know is true enough. While I doubt that he ever was you're taking the look on his face as being respectful when it could be interpreted as arrogance or simple taunting (idk if you follow the Bleach series, but the character Gin Ichimaru is a perfect example for this) You simply cannot rely on a facial expression like that. You also cannot find a "sense of honour" in the instance where Hashirama fought Hiruzen, he was being controlled, any pause in that fight was simply part of the story. I fear you do read too much into the minute details that are given in the series, that but about him waiting for the Third to stand up before attacking him is a prime example of that.--Cerez365™ 22:38, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Quotes policy
Please read it. It's very short. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:36, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I already moved your quote so it's near the other quote from that chapter. I used mangareader's version of that chapter as a basis for the reference, so adding and upping from double pages and all, that ended up being in page twenty. And for future reference, just because a quote follows the quote policy, it doesn't mean it should go on the quotes section. We've cleaned quote sections up from time to time because it gets cluttered with many quotes showing similar traits of a character. Otherwise quote sections would be much bigger. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:57, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Madara Uchiha
Madara has praised others, however, he has just as much put down others, as well as even the Kage. He is actually quite arrogant. Simply the statement he said to Onoki about being so far below him showed that. The two biggest instances of pride were when he declared that the Five Kage together would be an "adequate challenge" and the second being when he rebuked Kabuto, saying that he had created all of the power he currently had. That second one is a bit iffy, but even then, the fact that he referred to the Nine-Tails and other Biju as "slaves to those with blessed eyes"--slaves implying inferiority-- shows quite a monumentous arrogance. Skitts (talk) 09:16, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

You don't seem to get that arrogance doesn't have to be explicitly stated or thrown out there; obvious in other words. Not only did you completely ignore the part about the Tailed Beasts, you're implication that him claiming that 5 of some of the strongest living ninja would be an "adequate" challenge as nothing more than his love of fighting is, to put it bluntly, blind (not trying to sound rude you know). o3o He also belittled Mei's Lava Release: Melting Apparition Technique saying that "If I let myself get hit by a technique of that level..." You seem to think that because someone has praised someone else, they're not arrogant. Some food for though-Here is the definition of arrogance according tot he Wikitionary: "The act or habit of arrogating, or making undue claims in an overbearing manner; that species of pride which consists in exorbitant claims of rank, dignity, estimation, or power, or which exalts the worth or importance of the person to an undue degree; proud contempt of others; lordliness; haughtiness; self-assumption; presumption." Skitts (talk) 19:20, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

And again, you don't seem to get that arrogance doesn't have to be obvious and explicit the way you're stating. And I didn't say that you didn't point out the part about Mei, I used it as an example of how little he thought of a Kage's attack. And you still ignored the part about the Tailed Beasts. >:l The difference between pride and arrogance is that he belittles others who themselves are of rather high rank and power. That is not battle loving, but arrogant. I'm not saying he constantly goes around belittling others, as that is not what arrogance has to be. Skitts (talk) 20:51, January 2, 2012 (UTC)

Madara and Fire Release
In case yuo don't read or understand what Deva and everyone else is trying to tell you: Madara used a different technique, Fire Release: Great Fire Majestic Annihilation specifically, which has a long range, while Itachi use Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique which doesn't. You're hyping up Madara too much with speculative and unnecessary statements. Skitts (talk) 23:39, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Wrong actually. Kakuzu has used a Fire Release tech on a much greater scale than Madara's. You're hyping up needlessly with your own opinion. Skitts (talk) 23:46, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Tsunade's strength
I don't know if it means something different to you but in this case— and every other case I know, "raw" means something in its natural state— unaided or changed by anything. Tsunade has been stated to have natural(raw) herculean strength and uses chakra enhanced strength to augment that doing things like lifting Bunta's sword. All of this is already explained in Chakra Enhanced Strength and her article itself.--Cerez365™ 01:20, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Madara
His desired opponent was "upper class Konoha shinobi", not Hashirama specifically. Skitts (talk) 03:30, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

My edit summary still applies. Things like that are referred to as "junk trivia". Skitts (talk) 03:39, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

It wasn't junk trivia on his page because it was in his DB article. Madara already has his desired opponent(s). WE don't add other shinobi's desired opponents to other pages because it's useless there. Skitts (talk) 03:46, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Susanoo
Madara was never said to be the first to awaken Susanoo through any means. Even if the anime showed that he killed his friend first that doesn't mean that Izuna or someone else couldn't have awakened Sausanoo before him.

I understand that Madara's your favourite character and what not but please stop making your personal biases so painfully obvious.--Cerez365™ 18:33, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, in that case... meh though I don't see the need to change the statement— it's neither here nor there to me. We still however don't know if he was the first one to awaken Susanoo.--Cerez365™ 18:42, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

hi Darkusgal231 13:14, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

im good you? Darkusgal231 15:10, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

He is the best uchiha Darkusgal231 03:50, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Sasuke's Personality Edit
I have a few questions about your recent addition to Sasuke Uchiha's personality section. What exactly does him dismissing his victory over Orochimaru explain about his personality? It just seems like it's there to compensate for the fact that Orochimaru was defeated by him or else just put there because the information is available.

Secondly, where do you see fear when Sasuke heard Kabuto's voice? At no point in time did Sasuke mistake Kabuto for Orochimaru. In chapter 578 p. 3 he says: "! That voice! Kabuto…!" He never mistakes him for Orochimaru nor is there fear on his face, just surprise at who was there.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 17:02, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

But he doesn't admit that he is wrong there anyway because for one he's never bragged nor spoken about defeating Orochimaru, only in passing to Kabuto right after it happened so there's nothing to admit he was wrong about.

As for the rest, I don't think you get to decide what he should have or would have said. For as long as I've known [!] depicts shock and facial expressions and (profuse) sweating depicts fear. Though he did jump in (never saw that panel) and ask whether or not he was Orochimaru, but that still doesn't seem like fear but more shock that someone whom he had chopped to pieces might still be alive. Now if Sasuke were to be afraid of Orochimaru (whom he treated with no respect during his lifetime so I'm not sure why he would fear him now) I'm sure that his face would have been thrown in greater relief.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 17:16, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

You farted O.o? I'm just saying that even with your real-world experience there's no way to say what a sentence of shock should look like when they are not standardised. By the way everybody can say they see pieces of real life that reminds them of works like manga and movies. That's the mark of a good storyteller.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 17:43, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Really? I have a friend that can use Wood Release... As for that whole section that goes into detail about Sasuke battling Oro and absorbing him, that shouldn't be there in the first place. I'm actually in the middle of re-editing Sasuke's personality section. There's a lot there that doesn't speak to his character but sounds more like it should be in an arc. I still don't think fearing him should be mentioned at all. He never feared him in life, I don't know why he'd start now. Shock that the person he thought he killed was still alive seems most appropriate in this case.—Cerez 365 ™(talk) 18:07, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

I read what you put there carefully and I know what I removed. I never denied it but if you look carefully at the beginning of this section I asked you what purpose did it serve to mention it in his personality section. It doesn't connect to anything, it's just a one-off sentence that's been placed there. "when Sasuke felt he had grown stronger than Orochimaru he thought that to give himself up to someone weaker than himself was insulting to the Uchiha." And then suddenly, this sentence appears: "Sasuke, however, later discards his belief that he was stronger than Orochimaru when he admitted he only defeated him because he was weakened."

That section is speaking about his willingness to do anything to accomplish his goals, that is why I said if it's that important to you that it be mentioned, make note of it in the body of the arcs instead of his personality section where it's unnecessary because it sounds like it's there to compensate Orochimaru's defeat.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 19:15, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

That's exactly what I said in the second sentence of my message to you. I'm sorry if you interpreted it differently.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 19:44, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Summoning Impure World Reincarnation
Please don't randomly change the name of an article because you think it should be Resurrection. The discussion was to leave it as Reincarnation because that's the name ShounenSuki translated Tensei to :) --Speysider (Talk Page) 15:09, May 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * The discussion finished a while ago and you did randomly change it without actually consulting a single user. You basically said "I think it should be resurrection so I'm changing it". --Speysider (Talk Page) 15:12, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Madara Uchiha
I'd disagree though. Prideful and arrogant are the same thing in Madara's case because his arrogance stems from the famous Uchiha pride. Just from seeing how he speaks about himself is enough to see that.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 13:00, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

It has to be there exactly because we only know of his capabilities as an Edo Tensei. Madara has an immortal body with an infinite source of chakra and Kabuto even said he's been completed beyond his prime. The Madara now is in no way the same Madara that he was in life as far as we know, therefore we cannot leave out the fact that he is reincarnated and assume that if he were alive, that nothing would change power-wise. It's like you going out becoming a cyborg/android and saying you always had these abilities all along, that can't be accurate as like Madara, you'd have had work done.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 12:21, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Killer B
Sorry about the whole B thing. I was mixing up the incident when B plunged the swords into him and he was healed by Karin vs. the time when Jūgo had to give him flesh and stuff to save him.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 20:23, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Word
Hello. Please remember that we use English UK. ^_^ Have a nice day. —IndxcvNovelist (talk 12:31, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes I know that but you type "realize" instead of "reali s e" because we use the UK spellings. Also please don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes ( ~ ). :D —IndxcvNovelist (talk 12:52, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes it really does xD because our computers spellchecker is English US.. don't need to apologize it's okay :)) —IndxcvNovelist (talk 13:13, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * I like Madara though but not my favorite. —IndxcvNovelist (talk 14:08, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Vandals
Hi. In the case of when vandals do this and make multiple edits, it is better not to use the Undo function. You can contact a user who has Rollback rights and they'll be able to revert all of the bad edits :) --Speysider (Talk Page) 21:22, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Madara's honour
I'm curious to know why you think that what Madara said about an adult fighting seriously against a child was honourable o.O? Nothing Madara has done or said, to me at least, has been honourable. When he said that an adult would never fight seriously against a child, he doesn't seem to mean that in any positive or honourable way but is instead looking down on Ōnoki and Mū (who should be around the same age as him) and saying "why would I have used my full power when fighting a child?" That's not honour, that's hubris.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 21:01, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

You kinda just reshuffled the words Madara said in the manga to define hubris. I suppose it's all down to how you interpret what was said but everything he did screamed hubris and not honour to me. Remember that he had gone to them to have Iwa swear fealty to Konoha, I doubt he was trying for honour there.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 21:16, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Uhm, where do you see him say anything about an alliance with the Uchiha had ended or that there was an alliance with them in the first place? After Ōnoki exclaimed "Hashirama-dono said-" Madara cuts him off and tells him that there was no alliance and that Iwa would obey Konoha. Hashirama had obviously struck a treaty with the newly formed Iwagakure telling them that they were equals and Madara went there to tell them that no such thing would happen and that they were to obey Konoha despite the fact that they should have had an equal alliance.

Also, where do you see this joking around? Just because he didn't go all out on them, doesn't mean he joked around. I highly doubt two (future?) Kage wouldn't give Madara some trouble. He didn't go there to kill them and that wouldn't have made much sense at that time, he went them to rough them up and bully them into swearing fealty to Konoha. Why would he want to kill them, just to have to go do it to the next Tsuchikage? I don't know why, but it seems like you look at Madara through "rose-coloured glasses" and see things like honour where there is none. The last honourable thing Madara ever did was claim to want to protect his people from the Senju. I don't see Madara one way, I just see him for what he is.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 21:35, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Madara went there to tell them to obey Konoha instead of thinking their village was equal with it, I see no mention of the Uchiha whatsoever or anything which could lead to thinking that the Uchiha ever had an alliance with would-be Iwagakure village. The world was split into clans before the founding of Konoha, and while I don't know whether or not clans formed alliances in those era, I doubt the Senju or Uchiha would have had any need to do that because of the power and size of their respective clans. Why do you think they're the ones who attacked Madara? He was doing nothing short of bullying them, it's a classic "give me your lunch money everyday from now on" if you were a bully why would you want to kill the person you'd be getting "lunch money" from? That's the simplest way I can explain why he didn't kill them, not out of a sense of honour but because killing them was not why he was there, it would've served no purpose.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 21:55, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Uhm, Ōoki and Mū are both wearing Iwagakure forehead protectors by the time Madara came round to strong arm them. Iwagakure was well established by that time. Konoha was the first hidden village and everyone else followed suit quickly afterwards. I really don't know where you're getting this information about Madara and the Uchiha having an alliance with Ōnoki and Mū and I can't really argue on that since it never happened. And he fought back to protect himself? The deuce? Even if they were the ones to initiate the attacks, they didn't do it unprovoked. The man came to their country or met with them and basically told them that he was enslaving them to another country. The alliance Madara is referring to is one between Iwagakure and Konohagakure not between Uchiha and them. That's why Ōnoki brought up Hashirama because he believed them to have a treaty with Konohagakure and couldn't understand why Madara, a Konohagakure shinobi, was going behind the Hokage's back and bullying them into serving Konoha instead of being its equal. In any case Omni's made the statement neutral which is fine with me, as he shows restraint (though that seemed to be his intention from the whole meeting) and not sparing their lives out of a sense of "honour" when he's the antagonist in that situation.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 23:09, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

The First might have been dead already or retired and Mū was probably the reigning Tsuchikage at that time as the First looked well up in age when Ōnoki was a child. He did not try to recruit them to be Konoha shinobi, he was "convincing" them to have Iwagakure 'bow down' to Konohagakure. But really though, where are you getting these theories from? This one is even more off point than the others, there's no way you could have attempted to fill in the blanks on what happened and gone so awry.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 23:43, June 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ōnoki looks the same to you in chapter 575 as he does in 562 and 589 flashbacks? I don't think so, he's much smaller and looks younger in 575 that he does in 562 and 589 and facial hair (where?) is a sign of you getting older.
 * You have provided no reason for me to believe that the First wasn't dead or retired.
 * Hashirama became Hokage right after the formation of the village. It's exactly because Hashirama was Hokage why he went there. Hashirama wanted peace and equality and Madara wanted Konoha to be supreme so he went to Iwagakure/met with Mū and Ōnoki and tried to terrorise them into swearing obedience to whatever Konoha wanted. Madara wanted Konoha to be above all other nations.
 * What does him wearing a forehead protector have to do with anything?
 * I've never questioned Madara's loyalty, though him defecting speaks for itself.
 * Madara went there to force them to bow down, he was threatening them, not trying to have peaceful negotiations. Killing them for the umpteenth time would have been useless after threatening them to bow down to Konoha, if he had killed them, he would have had to gone and do the same thing with the next Tsuchikage. There was no honour in what he was doing there. But I'm done, because only you would see any of this as honour in any way at all.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 00:51, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Madara- taijutsu and fatigue

 * Hitting them in a "bowling fashion" as you called it is still not remarkable, what Lee, Guy, Tsuande and even Sakura does is remarkable not kicking someone whose weight causes his comrades to fall down as well.
 * Other fights where Edo Tensei haven't shown fatigue include:
 * Ginkaku, Kinkaku who also have great (if not better) chakra levels than/as Madara
 * Third Raikage,
 * Second Mizukage,
 * Mū using his Dust Release,
 * Chiyo and Kimimaro who had been fighting for a good time on their own, Itachi and basically all of them. Even if they 1. don't have Madara's natural chakra levels or stamina 2. haven't been fighting for long, if these people were supposed to have showed fatigue it would have been done by now. You can't mention someone's stamina unless like the Third Raikage, he was noted to have great levels of it in life because Edo Tensei functions to create a tireless army. The only people who have shown anything akin to fatigue is the Second Mizukage who essentially split himself in half and Mū who actually did split himself.--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 14:16, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Madara Uchiha- the greatness of his Susanoo
Why do you insist on adding that line to his article when it's unfounded? Where in the manga was it stated that Madara his Susanoo was much greater than any other? I could argue that Itachi's (which was actually stated to be invincible) could defeat Madara's. There's no source that states that and as such it's a personal opinion/bias and we're not supposed to use opinions in the articles. Let the facts on his Susanoo speak for itself, there's no need to "hype" it any more than it already is.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 12:35, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Madara's Susanoo has never been pitted against anybody else's Susanoo for it to be said that it's the greatest.
 * No other Susanoo has ever been used like that

All of that is still your opinion. You don't know the full extent of the power of neither Sasuke nor Itachi's Susanoo so you're assuming Madara's in the greatest one. It's a simple concept to follow when you're editing articles: If you can't put a reference to it, don't add it. Nowhere was it said that Madara's Susanoo was the greatest you're just assuming it is using past events (that aren't even similar) as benchmarks. Who is to say if Itachi or Sasuke felt like swinging their Susanoo swords at people, mountains wouldn't crumble as well? Neither Sasuke nor Itachi have even been in a situation where they've needed to for want of a better word show-off like that.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 12:57, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

You don't get it do you... In order to compare something, they have to be equal on certain levels. You comparing the power of any of those Susanoo is invalid because: You cannot compare them and like I said before, if you can't add a reference to it, don't add it at all. The wiki is supposed to chronicle fact and until Kishimoto tells us that Madara has the greatest Susanoo (known or otherwise) your statement is nothing more than your own personal opinion. It'd be like me going to Itachi article and unleashing crazy fandom on it, stating that Madara would be no match for him.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 13:31, June 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) They have never been pitted against each other
 * 2) The wielders do not possess the same statistics healthwise, ageswise etc
 * 3) Their dōjutsu are not the same, i.e. comparing a Mangekyō Sharingan Susanoo to that of an Eternal one.
 * 4) The subjects are not in the same stage of maturity. You're going to compare, Madara's Susanoo (an old and well experienced man) to that of Sasuke's (a newbie to Susanoo who was severely taxed also fighting irrationally during that time?)

Yes, who else would you use? But like I mentioned in my previous message your method of comparing the power of the Susanoo to reach to the conclusion that Madara's is the greatest is flawed first of all and ultimately unnecessary to mention in the article. You could say that if they all had Eternal Mangekyō Sharingans→with final forms of EMS Susanoo→all lined up facing a mountain→and took turns swinging at it. There's no other way to come to that conclusion. It's more than possible that Madara's Susanoo is stronger than that of the other two, but there is no evidence to prove that.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 13:45, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

I did say it was more than possible but that fact of the matter is that the same is just as possible for Itachi or Sasuke's Susanoo as well. Who is to say theirs aren't comparable to the power of a tailed beast or even greater than that? It all comes down to the point that it was never stated that Madara had the greatest Susanoo, so something like that cannot be said. Yes he claimed that his was comparable to the power of a tailed beast and he decapitated two mountains with it, but with that mentioned in the article, that should be enough.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 14:06, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

I, nor anyone knows if they could do it because simply they've never done so. You're free to draw your own conclusions of course, but mentioning it in the article without referencing it is representing false information.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 14:15, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Madara's Susanoo has a lower half which has never been seen before, that's the only reason it's "bigger" than other Susanoo. Now it's possible that all Susanoo have lower extremities and they're just anchored into the ground or it's unique to Madara.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 15:31, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Not really sure I'm up for debating the size of Madara's Susanoo vs. that of others because of the relativity of the whole matter. Also not sure where you're getting the information that the more chakra you use, is the larger your Susanoo gets.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 15:43, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Madara Uchiha edits
I have asked for sysop protection on the Madara Uchiha page because you won't stop edit warring and it's getting extremely tiresome and disruptive. --Speysider Talk Page 10:14, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * "I don't revet war." Really? Have you ever saw your contributions? Or at least look at the page's history? Half of your edits are from the Madara Uchiha page. What is your obsession with him? - White Flash - (Talk) - 12:49, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Edit warring !== Revert warring. Also, it's blatantly obvious to most of the editors here that you do edit war on that page. You have an obsession with him and I've put an end to it by asking the page be sysop protected. --Speysider Talk Page 10:58, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Edit warring is where you continually add in information that another editor is continually removing and not listening to a word the other editor is saying. It is precisely what you are doing on the Madara Uchiha page, it is so blatantly obvious that the other editors are starting to get fed up of it. Stop trying to deny what you have done and actually read the damned page history. You've been doing it for so long that the logs are filled with you inserting nonsense information and another editor removing it. Your not listening to any of the editors and that is why it has been sysop protected. Don't like it? Then you shouldn't have continually pissed off other editors by spamming your contributions on Madara's page. It is not a false accusation but you trying to get out of doing something the wiki has recorded so you can continue. --Speysider Talk Page 19:42, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Uhm. "Edit warring" I'd assume is the same thing as a revert war: someone undoes or changes a user's edit and the user changes it back or re-adds it. To be honest it does happen quite a bit when you edit the Madara article, with me mainly because I find the stuff you add to be excessive. I'm not chastising you or anything since I believe that you're simply a bit over-zealous when it comes to Madara which is understandable, I suppose. From that, another user deemed the article necessary of protection, so it was reported and Jacce protected the page. Now while it's a bit defeatist, next time you disagree just drop the person a message on their talk page since other editors apparently have a problem with you making Madara's page history "ugly" '~' At times i've come to look forward to our Madara banters in any case ^^--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 20:02, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

This whole thing is seemingly getting out of hand or is quickly approaching that point but since you know the correct route to take now, just let the discussion die before it escalates any further. Next time, you have an issue with a revision of so bring it to the talk page or the article page for a more general discussion. I'll try to do the same on my part since all of this did include me (^_^)> --Cerez 365 ™(talk) 04:13, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Talkpage Policy
Read it. Remove my messages again and I'll list you for a block. --Speysider Talk Page 21:51, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't thank me. Most of what he was saying was true. I have been watching your edits of Madara's article over the past week, and it has caught my interest. That is usually never a good thing.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 10:12, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't say anything about the revert war. That's between you, and whom ever else was involved. I'm more interested in your edits themselves. Like I said, they've caught my interest.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:01, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why they interest me is unknowable even to me. You are of course free to do whatever it is you see fit.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:17, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, my "Don't thank me" was me trying to sound like a cool anime-esque badass, but it was lost because well...no sound and no context >.>. And I didn't say I didn't like your edits. They interests me.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg (talk) 12:37, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Madara & Gaara
I think it is due to the central making changes in the system. It has happen before. Forum:Lightbox not working? Jacce | Talk | Contributions 14:52, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

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21:13, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Kabuto and Madara.
Why would he say he did? He is not 100% trusting of Tobi and even apparently lied about the seals used to release the technique. Madara probably knew about the technique simply because they were shinobi in the same village, the same way that Hashirama may have known about Madara's Susanoo for e.g. I also don' think it would make sense for Kabuto to not bind Madara if he knew that he knew the seals to release the contract with his soul. Wouldn't it make more sense to bind him instead of leaving the opportunity open that Madara would break the contract. After all during the battle with Itachi, Kabuto himself said that his Edo Tensei's powers were his own and that he would not allow Itachi to do as he pleased.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 17:22, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

It's exactly because he 1. didn't have to bind him because Madara's a fiend and would fight them, just because and 2. Kabuto didn't know his full power and didn't want to restrict him (the way Orochimaru did the First and Second) and end up with a sub-par edo tensei. But that still doesn't mean Kabuto didn't know about the seal to break the contract with the soul just because he didn't mention it.--Cerez 365 ™(talk) 17:38, July 16, 2012 (UTC)