Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-9782468-20141228070457/@comment-25977287-20150107211729

Third Eye Soul wrote: I find your response strange. You've just admitted that minato is the better of the two in speed and ftg. Which is what tobiramas fighting style is mostly reliant on. And you fail to say how and why tobirama is better at everythiong else. What are these so called things.

Also Im not sure you understand what potential means. Tobirama is an old man (proabably in his 50s to 60s). While Minato was 24 and already Hokage. Minato obviously has more potential, so Im not sure why you've used that term.

Proof minato doesn't use sage mode in his prime? how many fights have you seen of prime minato? The fact that he has it and learned it means that he's used it before.

You should read my statements a lil closer. First of all Minato his self stated that he didn't because it was too time consuming. So why would he use a technique he said he doesn't use in his prime? And secondly Im not sure you understand full potential. I was talking about Minato and Tobirama at their prime. I highly doubt Tobirama was in his 50/60's during his prime/full potential. And if you read about the two of these ninjas, you would think Tobirama has more potential just by being so versatile not only having to rely on a few techniques and in fact creating the ones he use. On top of that being the BEST water style user. We know minato for being the fastest, his incredible chakra control, creating the rasengan, being a genius, and we've seen what he did to the 9 tails and obito which are incredible feats but Tobirama is said to have invented most justsu's and is able to manipulate all elements according to the databook which hences that he is able to do way more than what we've seen him do. Which gives him more potential in my eyes. And lastly I stated we never seen what they are fully capable of, or in other words we never seen them fight in their prime so if you read my comments closer you would know ive seen 0 full fights of these two in their prime. But in my opinion I think Tobirama would win but it'll be close. And I respect your opinion :) Sorry if I misread some things

However you have made a few mistakes. Tobirama is not the best water style user ever, that is a heavy misconception and has never been stated in the manga or databook. Both Kisame and Mei and Gengetsu (the second mizukage) have better feats than Tobirama.

Secondly, about minatos sage mode. You are reading the manga wrong and ignoring what I said. Minato never once said he doesn't use sage mode in his prime. He just said he skill with it isn't that great because it takes him longer to enter the mode. Jiraya had the same problem but that didn't stop him using it. Minato says he hasn't used sage mode much in fights. But nevertheless he has confirmed to have used it in his life time.

Lastly, and I'll repeat. More jutsu doesn't mean you have more potential than someone else. Or just because you have create more jutsu doesn't make you stronger than someone else. Together the gold and silver brothers were stronger than tobirama. Left him on deaths door once, and killed him the second time. Kakashi knew more jutsu and created more jutsu than itachi, and kakashi was much older and has been in war, and been or way more missions than itachi, and had way more experience. But Itachi was still stronger. So age, experience, creations and upbringing mean nothing. So what if tobirama has more elements? So does hiruzen, and kakashi and orochimaru... but there are people stronger than then with less techniques. It's about the techniques you have that you are best at.

Why do you think every ninja in the manga only focuses around 1 fughting style. Hashirama uses just wood, orochimaru just snakes (he knows almost all jutsu in the world, more than tobirama), Kakashi knows 1000, yet he only uses sharingan and lightning blade. So stop talking about potential just because someone knows more jutsu. It literally means zero. A ninja can only know 1 jutsu and yet still be stronger than someone with 10,000 jutsu.