Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-31810758-20170513174308/@comment-31099706-20170524072555

I apologize for the long post.

Well to actually do this fight, we have to get the nearest comparission to EMS Madara which is Sasuke, so let's start with Sharingan Sasuke.

One thing is, I don't really believe the gap between healthy evil Itachi and Sharingan Sasuke is that much. The only indication of his illness was him not escaping a shuriken.

And I don't where the blizting came from? Do you guys mean the genjutsu? The only blizting I saw Itachi do was in a genjutsu fight. Real unhealthy Itachi only dodged a fireball just to get by Sasukd chidori to the roof top.

We seen that Sasuke with some CM boost managed to evade the Amaterasu for a while, and we also know that it was in his best interest to get hit with one.

We know that one cannot completely hold back at everything. The only thing Itachi holding back would be Susanoo.

Sharingan Sasuke shown that he is able to beat 100 of Oro's swordsman without killing them and without a scratch in return(Oro was just glaring at what he saw at that time).

Defeated Oro, while he was sick and all but he also turned into his true form and also poisoned Sasuke with his Possesing Snake blood or something, and Sasuke just reversed what he did.

Sasuke easily beaten a Akatsuki member without the attempt to kill him(he wanted Itachi's possible location from him) and also was able to escape from Diedera's Self destruction attack.

Itachi's most powerful damage was from his Yasaka Magatama which was able to break CT along with Killer B's and Naruto's jutsu. Sharingan Sasuke was able to use a mountain breaking jutsu with no chakra.

As we saw, Sasuke was able to overcome both of Itachi's MS jutsu without a MS. it's shown clear that Itachi's only advantages against Sharingan Sasuke was his MS(mostly Susanoo), his experience in battles, his own wisdom gained from battles and a calmer mind than Sasuke's towards's each other. To which we can clearly say that Sharingan Sasuke is stronger than Sharingan Itachi and slightly weaker than Susanoo Itachi.

Now to MS Sasuke. MS Sasuke shown that at many levels he surpassed his brother(which Itachi himself believed would happen). He defeated Danzo with Izanagi, Survived a battle between the sand siblings and Raikage and his bodyguards with samurais. fought Kakashi,Sakura and Naruto, all at the same freaking day.

Now EMS Sasuke. EMS Sasuke has shown to easily use all of his MS abilities with more skill, ease, power and less pain. At the first day.

I don't know why people think Sasuke was going to get killed by Kabuto since it was from Itachi's own order that Sasuke should not kill Kabuto or we'll know what would happen to the whole cave if he tried to. While Itachi beaten Kabuto with his immortal body, if Itachi was alive(that is will feel pain, have no unlimited chakra refill and will be in risk of death). So there's that.

And what's this Danzo feared Itachi going on? Danzo was able to take on Shisui without fear, and he never actually showed any fear towards Itachi other than his info about the whole village and him knowing the truth.

Any other fear would be of Itachi's prowress which is mutual between them since Itachi after hearing Danzo using Izanagi against Sasuke with a little shock said "You're lucky to survive".

And I don't get the fear concept of some of yours. Obito didn't even fear Madara, Obito felt his plans to be threatened from Itachi and his identity spoiled from Madara. Danzo was cool enough to take on Itachi's brother(which I guess he didn't know of his power) as well as 'Madara'. The kages and especially Ohnoki even though knew little of Madara's strength was feared enough to bring an allience and also suggested to bring The Jinchurikis for help too.

Back in the war Period Hashirama was the only one who could defeat Madara(this was said by everyone who knew Madara). I don't see how Tobirama or Hiruzen getting through his PS.

And there's also the fact that Hashirama isn't exactly the best at every catagory against Madara. Madara is the one known for his taijutsu, and I don't know why, but Transmigrants don't seem to have any interest in taking in using the obvious Sharingan genjutsu on the other one.

Itachi is stronger than Sharingan Sasuke, yes. But only a bit. MS Sasuke is on equal level to MS healthy Itachi. And EMS Sasuke is stronger than Healthy MS Itachi.

EMS Madara is obviously stronger than EMS Sasuke since he got it as an adult and had many years to train for it compared to EMS Sasuke with one, was close enough to stab Sage mode enhanced blind Madara. Just think how Madara would be compared to that, or just take his first battle as a edo in your mind. So by that EMS Madara has a already strong Susanoo and with better experience with his EMS.

But, if we go by plot, which gave Madara a little arrogance to go with his power, he'll only face against Itachi with the same susanoo. And I think Itachi could gain a opening from Madara underestimating Itachi. I mean the guy still has two one shot jutsus that'll work in Madara, which is Amaterasu and TB and Madara's ninjutsu could probably be blocked by Yata Mirror. But non plot wise, Madara still has the chances. So I give Itachi atleast 4/10 wins against EMS Madara. But the tables could very well change if this is Edo Itachi. These are all my own honest opinions.