Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-26998824-20150919013222/@comment-26773508-20150919154330

Thekillman wrote: Shinra Tensei has a 5 second cooldown. which is like what, 4.9 seconds longer than what Minato needs to rasengan his ass? Minato can blitz in, Shinra Tensei, Blitz in again. He has Sage Mode which he can use to prevent Preta on-contact chakra absorbtion. First, he'll have to figure out the 5 second cooldown, which he will in little time. And by that time Nagato will have figured out that Minato can blitz him. Obviously Nagato's gonna take preventive measures (going to the air on his monster bird, for example). Also, the first Shinra Tensei would take Minato completely by surprise and end up doing some damage, though not that much since Minato now has Kurama. Normal Minato would be more affected by Shinra Tensei, seeing what it did to Kakashi, Choza, Choji, and the other fodder Konoha nins who assisted them. But that's beside the point since Minato has KCM in this fight.

The Shinra Tenseis that Nagato pulls out after his very first one probably won't damage Minato at all. He can always teleport somewhere else when hit by Shinra Tensei, though physics should tell us that Minato won't lose the momentum his body gained when he got hit with Shinra Tensei, which means that his body will keep on going in motion even after he teleports. So he's gonna hit the ground hard wherever he ends up teleporting. This means that he cannot blitz Nagato immediately after being hit by Shinra Tensei, since Minato will be disoriented for a few seconds by the force of shockwave, whether he teleports or not. If he decides to teleport right above Nagato immediately after being hit by Shinra Tensei, he's only gonna crash his disoriented body against a fully-functional Nagato. So Minato won't blitz Nagato as easily as you suggest.

That means that Minato's only chance to mark Nagato is to avoid being hit by Shinra Tensei while at the same time successfully placing his special kunai or anything containing his FTG seal near Nagato. He could use a kage bunshin to throw one of his kunais at Nagato, which Nagato would repel with Shinra Tensei. Then immediately the original could throw another kunai while Nagato has his 5 second cooldown. That way Minato could mark him, although Nagato would immediately find out about Minato's kage bunshin because he's an advanced sensor.

But suppose that after a few attempts, Minato does manage to hit Nagato. But obviously a rasengan isn't nearly enough to take out Nagato. By this time Nagato would also have figured out a few details of Minato's FTG, though he would have Minato's FTG marks on him now. But he can counteract Minato's incoming blitz moves by keeping the Asura and Preta Paths active all the time. The instant Minato teleports near Nagato, his rasengan gets absorbed by the already activated Preta Path, which gives Nagato the time to hit Minato with the Asura canon or whatever jutsu Nagato wishes to.

So it's not gonna be so easy like "Nagato blinks and Minato's killed his sorry ass." Minato hasn't shown any move that can be used with FTG and that is also capable of killing Nagato in one shot. And Nagato has his ways around Minato too, as I suggested above. He's not so dumb as to be unable to figure out the basics of Minato's FTG in a few minutes. So he can take suitable countermeasures against Minato. All in all, I see the battle going towards Nagato's favour more often than not.

P.S. Sage mode is not a factor in this battle as Minato can't use it effectively.

Curse of Hatred wrote:

Either way, I surprised no-one has brought up the fact that he can use KCM in this fight, which would enhance his speed to almost god-like levels. Here's my reasoning - Minato's fastest technique was FTG, with which he could dodge A's fastest attack. His body flicker was fast enough to be confused with FTG. Compare this with Naruto who, after gaining KCM, was also able to dodge A's fastest attack with what essentially was body flicker. So Naruto KCM = Minato FTG, therefore meaning that Minato KCM = blink and you're dead before your eyelids close. Minato should be able to blitz Nagato with a KCM rasengan before Nagato realises he's in a fight. Minato's KCM is hardly going to add to Minato's speed. Naruto's KCM bodyflicker was comparable to Minato's FTG. So Minato's KCM bodyflicker would also be comparable to his FTG. That's not an enhancement of speed; it's merely Minato gaining an additional mechanism to achieve the same level of speed. Had Minato's speed reached Super-God level due to his KCM, we would have seen it in the War. Instead, he got his ass kicked by a mindless Juubito who wasn't even fully conscious. And then Obito gained mastery over Juubi, which ended up with Minato losing his arm.

It is also interesting to note that despite witnessing how Juubito blitzed Hashi and Tobi, and then blew off Hiruzen's upper half, Minato still attacked a conscious Juubito with a fucking kunai! He used no OP jutsu against him, which is a strong indication that his arsenal doesn't have that many ultra-destructive jutsus. And he needs senjutsu-enhanced ultra-powerful jutsus if he wants to take out Nagato effectively.