Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-26636534-20171019193715/@comment-34194151-20180110233151

Ninja Of War wrote: Ok, first off, the whole point of this thread was to determine why users, assume characters like Itachi and Sasuke are by default are smarter than kage. I don't agree with those kind of statements and don't understand how others can say it. So no, the burden of proof is not on me for not agreeing with users who make such claims.

CombatIQmatters wrote:

Imo itachi is the solo-king of the naruto universe, meaning that in any 1v1 battle he comes out on top. That is a grossly exaggerated statement. Itachi is very strong, but he is not that strong. He is not even on the level of Minato, Prime Hiruzen, Tobirama and Jiraiya.

Not to mention nowhere close to Madara's level lol...

This is not an Itachi hype thread, please refrain from doing so, nor is this a versus debate. This is a discussion about intelligence. Yes you do have to provide proof. And Idk why you are acting like these topics aren't intertwined. All I see from you are statements saying oh "itachi is smart" but not as smart as these other ninjas you keep listing.The reason why I bring him up in particular is because I am trying to prove the point that intelligence is based on how you use resources and an arsenal. Itachi not only has an overpowered arsenal he has also has a brilliant mind supporting the arsenal. You can't just ride someone off just because they have good resources available. Even if you give a dumb person all the high quality materials they need to build a supercomputer they won't be able to build it because they lack the mind for it.

Your only retort is some circumstantial interpretation that in any case still downplays itachi's intelligence. Wisdom is wisdom. Wisdom is the ability to draw insight from knowledge and determine truths. Itachi had the ability to do this at the kage level from age 7. It wasn't just his ability to understand war and chaos, it was also his combat ability, which is why he was ANBU Black OPS Captain at age 13. Not even kakashi was able to become the captain at that age. ITs one of the many pieces of evidence of itachi's genius. I have given other examples of such, such as when Kabuto stated that ITachi has true visual prowess because he can look into the heart of his opponents and discern their next move. But you still use the same response, without any proof, that he isn't on the level of kages when it comes to intellectual ability.

So to rehash, my point is that itachi's intelligence/wisdom is near the pinnacle of the show. The only people better than him in raw intelligence are probably Black Zetsu, shikamaru and his dad, and Tobirama. Zetsu might win in wisdom simply because he has been alive 1000s of years but itachi is definitely second place. You offer no proof for your claims.

And on a side note, sasuke was simply said to be smart and doesn't actually show any feats. He gets rekt in every fight he has been in partially because he is cocky and emotional, and with very few exceptions is he actually able to come up with coherent strategies. His supposedly exceptional situational awareness, even when he is mentally- centered, comes when his opponents' intelligence is significantly nerfed (such as Danzo and Deidara becoming bumbling idiots all of a sudden). It is otherwise pretty bad, such as when he tried to fight one v one, in the realm of swordsmanship, against a dude named Killer Bee who was freaking using 7 swords at once. And then he is dumbfounded when killer bee essentially kills him twice just in their swordsmanship interactions. Unlike sasuke, when itachi faced bee he used genjutsu and long range tools immediately. When He saw killer bee bust out the swords, he knew he was outclassed and retreated to a safer distance. That right there shows you one of the differences in itachi and sasuke. So I agree that sasuke is out of place being compared to kages in intelligence.