Board Thread:Versus Debates/@comment-34277398-20190315034807/@comment-39094896-20190413130252

Jo-Smooth wrote: Minato had faster reaction speed than Ay which allowed him to use FTG to to dodge him. If it had been any other ninja, even with FTG their reaction speed wouldn't be high enough to react to Ay's movements to be able to teleport. Minato's fighting/combat and reaction speeds are on similar levels. I don't think anyone believes that Minato has better movement speed than Ay though. That being said, Ay's own reaction and combat speed via lore, implications, and feats if you count Ay's punch touching Minato's nose as a feat....are comparable to that of Minato to the point of not getting completely blitzed by him in their following encounters and supposedly having these amazing kage level battles that the lore implies. Also, Ay wasn't angry and rushing in either. He was calm and collected the entire time, analyzing the situation carefully and forming counter strategies in the middle of it, tracked all of Minato's moves carefully etc. As for B, he's usually extremely analytical, like shown against Taka and Kisame.

As for Ay cutting Gyuki's horn, what's impressive to me was the point that his attack potency/damage output, in V2 he's confirmed by Karin to be at Tailed Beast levels, was strong enough in V1 that KCM Naruto, who was physically stronger than Sage Mode Naruto who fought half of Kurama and Pain, considered Ay's blows to be heavy and said it would be bad if he took a direct hit. He also fought a few of Madara's Susanoo's on his own, and wasn't defeated by them, but by Madara's genjutsu after he got distracted (Don't remember if this is anime only or not.) Speaking of KCM Naruto, Ay did tell Naruto that he was the second person to outrun his fastest punch, but does that really mean that his fastest punch during the 4th war was the same speed as his fastest punch from the 3rd? I can't definitvely prove it, but the biggest factor besides logical implications saying he trained and got stronger is that against Minato he used the V1 Lightning Armor but against Naruto he used the V2 Lightning Armor, which is confirmed to be faster. Aside from that Ay does have feats and statements to put him on Tailed Beast levels. Not on the level of his dad though of course.....Ay(3) is debatably top 3 or 5 Kage in the series (Under Naruto and Hashirama for sure, with Minato and Hiruzen being the debatable ones but thats a topic for a different thread)

Speaking of the 3rd, comparing him and saying he only drew with Gyuki while Minato "Beat" the full Kurama is not a just comparison. Ay(3) sealed Gyuki multiple times during his rampages. The time they drew is when he decided to 1 v 1 Gyuki in a physical battle, with Ay actively making sure he doesn't kill Gyuki and lose a resource for the village while Gyuki was dead set on killing him. And Gyuki didn't even damage him AT ALL in that fight. Think about how insane of a feat that is. Minato is not fighting a tailed beast of Gyuki's level the same way Ay(3) did. No Kage in general besides Naruto and Hashirama can pull that off (though those two can do it extremely easily in comparison). I don't want to sound like I'm wanking Ay(3) but his feats are seriously overlooked. As far as human characters with no Six Paths or Juubi powers go, I think he's up there in that "God of Shinobi" status only under the likes of Madara and Hashirama. Even they were considered legendary for fighting for 24 hours while he fought for 72....but.....I'm getting off topic. You can't use Minato sealing Kurama or beating Tobi to say that he's > Ay(3) who's > Ay(4)

As for Sage Jiraya, I really don't see how he can keep up with Ay in the physical strength, durability, and especially speed department. His best bet would be Genjutsu, but its not in character for him to start right off the bat with that, while it is in character for Ay to try to blitz and one shot, similar to Minato. Ay's strength is enough to affect tailed beasts and make KCM Naruto who's > Sage Naruto who's > Sage Jiraya worry about taking direct hits from. And that was V1 Ay. Are you seriously comparing a fully powered ay to a very tired Minato who had used most of his chakra that he probably didn't even have enough chakra left to enter sage mode? And are you comparing ay's fight with the 8 tails to minato's fight with kurama the full freaking nine tails like dude come on. Naruto's nine tails could probably take on both the 8tails and one other tailed beast and yet you compare that 8tails to a full nine tails. Using summoning jutsu is part of Minato's techniques's so it shouldn't be counted as getting help since the toads willing accepted him, it's part of what makes him one of the strongest character. If sealing the nine tails was simply minato's goal he would have done that quicker but in the middle of a surprise attack he deduced that he needed to seal kurama in naruto and deduced he needed to split it using the reaper death seal. Let's not forget he apparently knew lighting fire and wind release. And we haven't seen him use any of those techniques. Comparing minato to ay is just something else when we've seen minato take on both ay and killer bee. Minato can easily take care of the 9 nine tails let's not forget what his technique the rasengan is based on. Like i said he is proficient at sealing jutsu, he's got toads to help him temporarliy hold down the kyubi he's get senjutsu (although he claims he's not good at it he's shown to enter perfect sage mode not even jiraya could do that and jiraya was a beast).