Board Thread:Naruto Discussions/@comment-34656247-20181008062436/@comment-34194151-20181008222245

It's impossible to come to consensus with fans about what itachi can do. Mostly because of the totsuka blade and yata mirror. the yata mirror is a complicated can of worms because it's stated to deflect all attacks but we don't get a confirmed explanation for how it does this, other than it matching the attributes of an "attack" to render it ineffective. does that mean itachi isn't vulnerable to underground attacks? what about light and sound, the normal weakness of susano'o according to kabuto? what about gravitation? It's unclear, but whatever. Interestingly enough, the yata mirror did seem to expand in size to block orochimaru's snakes. I'm more interested in the totsuka blade.

People like to claim itachi would lose to nagato when we clearly saw on panel that Itachi defeated him. Kcm naruto and killer bee had nothing to do with itachi roflwtfblitzing nagato with the totsuka blade. Nagato couldn't react. He couldn't use shinra tensei or preta path to save himself, and while that was edo nagato, he was juiced up on killer bee's chakra and his moves were in a much different league compared to that of the 6 paths of pains corpses. Orochimaru also literally got caught in between words. This evidence proves imo that from a standard distance itachi only needs one second to land that blade. one second is only enough time if you are a god tier, a sage, minato, or ayy, or shisui, or anyone around that level of speed and reflexes. but then itachi's tactics come in. Also, some fans interpret the ethereal decscription for the blade to mean that the blade is a ghost blade that could penetrate anytthing. if that's the case, madara isn't as safe from itachi as people claim. Madara would use perfect susano'o against itachi's smaller susano'o thinking he is invincible and underestimate itachi and then get stabbed and sealed. Hashhirama vs itachi is again dependent on the yata mirror and penetrative capablities of the blade. Even then, I see hashirama getting caught in tsykuyomi because he seems to be overconfident about his ability in breaking uchiha genjutsu due to his experience. his experience would work against him because he can't answer itachi's tsykuyomi using brute force.

That said, itachi or minato both stomp the 6 paths of pain solo. Pitting them both against the pains is spite. lol. pain was barely faster than kakashi, and itachi is noticeably faster than kakashi in every way. The way i see it, if the pains take their standard formation itachi sends in a bunshin feint and then kills 3-4 of the pains using the totsuka blade in one blow, because the pains like to stand one behind the other in their formation, and the exploding shadow clone and susano'o can help clean up the rest. if naruto was able to outsmart their formation so can itachi. minato is the same deal. Ftg level 3, rasensenko-whatever with the 6 kunai, stomps. a kunai to the throat or rasengan finishes each pain.

I used to think Minato would lose to EMS madara until very, very recently. I think minato would only lose to rinnegan madara and above. minato and itachi is enough for ems madara imo. minato can't beat hashirama, even with kcm.