Talk:Kazekage Clan

Symbol
That symbol in Kankuro's clothes in classic would be the symbol of this clan? --Lukas Pessoa Dantas (talk) 21:08, July 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * Dunno. It might be, it might not be.--Omojuze (talk) 22:13, July 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * Certainly the best we can do at the moment. I'd accept that as a placeholder or the yellow symbol on Gaara's Gourd. Go for itShock Dragoon (talk) 01:11, July 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * Is there really any symbol that would be adequate for them as a clan? I don't recall any particular symbol that can be associated with more than one of those characters. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:13, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

Let's just use 風影 and that's it.--Elve Talk Page 16:53, July 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd agree, but I learned anything from this series and Transformers, it's that if someone is wearing a crest on their person that isn't the village emblem, it's either a personal emblem like Shikamaru and his son's one or a clan emblem. That being said, the one Kankuro was wearing is the best we'll ever get so we might as well jump on it since we've got nothing closer or better. That's just a personal opinion, it's better than anything else I've seen. Shock Dragoon (talk) 17:05, July 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a poor excuse. The fact that the symbol has only appeared on one of Kankuro's five (?) outfits suggests it has no significance whatsoever. ~SnapperTo 18:24, July 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * To be fair Shikamaru is the only one to ever wear the Nara symbol...when he was five, never again. In fact the only family crests actively worn in this series are the Uchiha because their crazy pride, the Hyuga (in a sense) by Hinata is part 1, and the Uzumaki crests cause everyone wheres the Uzumaki crest in Konoha. I'm just saying, for a PLACEHOLDER like we have for the Hozuki, Yotsuki, and Yuki, it's the best we're ever going to get.Shock Dragoon (talk) 18:39, July 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * But those placeholders are generic images in reference to the clan's name (snowflake, fruit, moon), not anything taken from the series. To use something similar for this Kazekage clan you'd want a picture of the wind's shadow. ~SnapperTo 18:53, July 15, 2015 (UTC)
 * This is just speculation at this point, but, (in support of the symbol on Gaara's gourd suggestion) If Shinki from the Boruto movie is the son of Kankuro and thus a member of this clan/family, then his facial markings (which are very similar to the ones on the sand gourd) could be hint towards a family symbol.--Tzao (talk) 08:39, July 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Does this page even need a placeholder? not every page has to have one.--Kuroiraikou (talk) 10:59, July 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * At the moment, we could use Sunagakure's symbol, as Uzumaki Clan and Uzushiogakure. --Sharingan91 (talk) 12:36, July 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * To be fair, the Uzumaki emblem is supposed to be the Uzushio symbol but red. But you are on to something there, maybe that's why Suna's symbol looks like Gaara's gourd? Also, the idea that the facepaint looks like Gaara's gourd's symbol is a great observation, but that only works (like you said) if Shinku is Kankuro's son. I'm happy this is causing such a polite debate. Shock Dragoon (talk) 12:41, July 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * Or the symbol is 'E' . --Sharingan91 (talk) 16:07, July 17, 2015 (UTC)
 * The Gourd was one thing, but for Shinku, if he really is Kankuro's son, DAMN GOOD find! Shock Dragoon (talk) 18:39, July 17, 2015 (UTC)

The markings on Kankuro's face have literally nothing to do with his family or any clan insignia. The Nara clan's symbol was confirmed, to my knowledge. We don't need a symbol for everything and I'm against using a fanon one just for the sake of having a symbol. Not every clan has a symbol. Oh and the symbol on Gaara's gourd is no E^^ • Seelentau 愛 議 18:44, July 17, 2015 (UTC)

Treatment
Shouldn't we treat this clan the same as the Kamizuru Clan (and treat Gaara and the others the same way how we treat Kurotsuchi and the others)? For those who don't get it: Tag this clan as novel-only, just like the Kamizuru Clan is tagged as anime-only?--Omojuze (talk) 14:19, July 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yup. • Seelentau 愛 議 15:10, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

Infobox Image
I know that that is the best image that we have right now for the clan but it's misleading. This image makes people think that that actually happened which it didn't. Some other image should be placed there instead. Munchvtec (talk) 14:51, August 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Bump. Munchvtec (talk) 12:35, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

Shikadai Nara
Shouldn't he be a member of this clan since Gaara Hiden said that Temari's children would possess the Kazekage bloodline and would be future Kazkekage? That was the entire point of the novel. That the Suna elders feared having a Konoha born Kazekage and wanted Gaara or Kankuro to get married to start having children to counter that. Willow999 (talk) 15:08, September 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Em no. You belong to only 1 clan. Since Temari joined the Nara Clan, she left this one.--Omojuze (talk) 15:09, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

Name
Is this the japanese name (風影一族, Kazekage Ichizoku)??--Sharingan91 (talk) 13:43, September 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * The clan wasn't named. Unless you think that Temari's full name is "Temari Kazekage"? >.<--Omojuze (talk) 13:45, September 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * @Omojuze, I don't think this! XD --Sharingan91 (talk) 13:51, September 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * It is more of a title for the clan than it's actual name. Sadly because they've never reveal Gaara's last name, we got nothing but this title to go off of. Someone really needs to ask Kishi what the Sand Siblings last name is. Shock Dragoon (talk) 14:11, September 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Just throwing in that the Uzumakis were called Hokage Family as well. So this is definitely not the clan's actual name, but a description. • Seelentau 愛 議 14:19, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Name
Why don't we call it Rasa's Clan? He was the oldest and furthest back known member.--AskinNakkLeVaar (talk) 05:49, April 20, 2016 (UTC)
 * Cause the name is as canon as it gets. • Seelentau 愛 議 08:33, April 20, 2016 (UTC)

Infobox Image 2
meh Munchvtec (talk) 05:16, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you able to find a suitable replacement? --Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:45, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Too lazy. I'd prefer the article have no image at all just because of how misleading the current image is. Munchvtec (talk) 11:49, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well if you can get someone to create a temporary .svg clan symbol for them, that could be used instead...--Cerez 365 ™Hyūga Symbol.svg(talk) 11:53, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't believe we've seen anything resembling an actual clan symbol. Could we possibly use either the eye markings symbol (Gaara's and Rasa's) or Gaara's forehead tattoo? Or even the marking on Gaara's gourd. Munchvtec (talk) 13:10, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * For a discussion about misleading users, using a fake clan svg emblem would do just that. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 13:24, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * It'd be a lot less misleading and it doesn't have to be called a clan symbol. We have been known to use place holder symbols before. Munchvtec (talk) 13:28, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Image is there to depicts members, not to depict the history of the clan. So there's nothing misleading about that and using an emblem that isn't associated with the clan is incredibly misleading. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 13:35, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Which is less misleading? An image that is filler withing filler within filler? Or a symbol actually seen on a member that "could" be the symbol? We have done the symbol thing before. Example: the Nara clan (we used the symbol on Shikamaru's shirt). Munchvtec (talk) 13:37, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * The clan members. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 13:47, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

How far are you going to go with the indents :p I never thought i'd run into such opposition :/ Anyways, i am completely against the use of the current image. I'd prefer no image at all instead of the current. Munchvtec (talk) 13:52, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * @Shock Dragoon has provided me with this. This symbol is on Gaara's Gourd as well as Shinki's face (though we don't know him to be a member :/). Munchvtec (talk) 15:10, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
 * Bump. Munchvtec (talk) 20:33, July 3, 2016 (UTC)
 * Now that Team Shinki are apparently Gaara's children, i think we should use the symbol on Gaara's gourd since it's seen two times on two different members of the clan. Munchvtec (talk) 08:09, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * The 2 "symbols" are not the same. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 08:16, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Hm... well i never really took the time to compare the two :/ Well, regardless, the current image bothers me but if everyone is okay with it, then ah well. I tried. Munchvtec (talk) 08:19, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Kankuro's symbol is nice but I don't think this is the symbol of the clan, kankuro wears this only in the first part. I agree with the symbol with "E", but this is very ugly. We should do another better.--Sharingan91 (talk) 10:26, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

Like? Munchvtec (talk) 14:23, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, we haven't an official symbol and "E" is the closest thing to a symbol that we have, but without color. We should use a style as the icons of the other clan. --Sharingan91 (talk) 15:05, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't mind it being just black. I gave a few ideas above besides the gourd symbol. Munchvtec (talk) 15:14, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * The eye markings symbol aren't suitable because these also indicate other characters (Indra, Sage Mode...). And Gaara's tattoo (Kanji) has another meaning. Else, We can try the complete symbol on the pumpkin (three E), it's ready but I don't know if to put in horizontal or vertical.--Sharingan91 (talk) 16:55, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * I would say vertically. Munchvtec (talk) 16:58, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * But if you look the images of Gaara appearance, it's horizontal.--Sharingan91 (talk) 17:06, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm just thinking that it'd look odd being horizontal but that's fine i guess. Munchvtec (talk) 17:10, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * This.--Sharingan91 (talk) 17:25, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

Looks good to me mate. Munchvtec (talk) 17:33, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm actually on the fence between the Kankuro symbol or the "E" gourd symbol I uploaded for us. But seeing as how Shinki IS Gaara's (seriously, who didn't see that coming?) and he has the "E". I'd go with that for the placeholder image. Shock Dragoon (talk) 17:51, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Nothings changed since the original discussion and Seel last comment sums it up. But if we must use a place holder image, only use it in the infoboxes for clan members, like we show the placeholder snowflake emblem in Haku's infobox, and not replace the actual clan image on this page, because the idea of using something unconfirmed in place of something real is steering this wiki into fanon territory. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 18:10, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * Which is the main reason i said i'd rather there be no image at all. Multiple times. Munchvtec (talk) 18:48, July 10, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not able to convert the image in ".svg" to create the icon. So, depending on what you decide, someone else take care of it. ^_^ --Sharingan91 (talk) 19:43, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

Temari
Temari is missing from known members of the clan, must be an oversight.
 * Not an oversight. Members aren't added to clan infoboxes by hand, those lists are populated automatically by parsing which characters have that clan in their infoboxes. For some reason we still don't know about, some of data regarding Temari is not being properly processed by infoboxes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:08, March 29, 2018 (UTC)