Board Thread:Theories and Speculation/@comment-26388300-20160524034125/@comment-27924662-20160527034801

BakumatsuWarrior wrote: Do I have to repeat the same things over and over again? 1) Madara has seen Tobirama using FTG. Minato usually throws his FTG Kunais all over the battlefield before he begins fighting. That's a huge giveaway and Madara will know about it instantly just by looking at all the identical FTG formulae in the kunai. Minato isn't catching Madara by surprise. And minato has seen him use Susanoo so what big difference it makes. Besides other than on battle field minato has several backup lairs so madara can't still figure out strategy as minato is a highly skilled run and gun tactician.So he can easily catch him by surprise. BakumatsuWarrior wrote:

2) There's no evidence or indication whatsoever that FTG can teleport the Susanoo away from its user. If that were possible, Tobirama would also be named among those who could match EMS Madara. But we know that only Hashirama could match EMS Madara. So the evidence is against your claim. It's one thing to teleport a flying Bijuu Dama away. It's a totally different thing to teleport Susanoo, which is connected to the user. Apples and Oranges. Your claim has no evidence to back it up. you yourself gave the evidence that TBB is made of chakra same as Susanoo. so FTG can teleport portion or whole of Susanoo. Besides that's not the only counter since "Kurama has a great deal of brute force, reputedly able to raise tsunamis and flatten mountains with just a single swipe of a tail. Even with half its strength, it could overpower Obito's controlled tailed beasts,smash Madara's senjutsu-enhanced Susanoo with a tail" BakumatsuWarrior wrote: 3) Madara can definitely withstand the Rasengan Minato used on kid Obito. Bigger versions will injure him, but won't kill him outright. Unless Minato pulls out SM Jiraiya's hugeass rasengan. That will probably kill him. Back your claim here. Since when did EMS madara had endurance and healing of hashirama? Besides with that injury he will get tagged by minato(same as obito) and hence would be killed on his whim. BakumatsuWarrior wrote:

4) A Kurama jinchuriki Minato who lets Kurama gather natural energy is still not on par with Hashirama or EMS Madara. Simply put, Minato isn't on the same league as Madara and Hashirama. He's a couple of tiers below them. So Kyuubi jinchuriki Minato isn't defeating Madara. What is Minato gonna do? Bijuu dama? PS tanks all that. What else does Minato have aside from that and Rasengan? Not much. So once again, Minato loses. okay but why? why would the sage mode (which in this case can be sustained forever) is weaker than hashirama(since now even minato has hashirama like healing too.)And please about PS there are 2 ways FTG or Kurama destroys it. BakumatsuWarrior wrote: 5) How will Madara fight an enemy he can't hit? Well first of all, what makes you think Madara can't hit Minato? Madara is a master sensor. He'll sense Minato the instant Minato shows up somewhere in the battlefield. And Madara's very smart. He'll use feints and tricks to fool Minato and lure him into getting hit. let see here 1)Madara is master sensor.So was TTJ obito(a much better sensor) but he got hit easily by the technique.(and couldn't see it coming)So our master sensor is bound to fail 2) minato is also and he can also use several tricks to get him with shadow clone FTG combos 3) even Minato is master sensor(both danger perception as well as -ve emotion perception) So Madara hitting him is history......

Once again, Madara has a good deal of knowledge and experience about FTG, thanks to Tobirama. Minato's FTG is superior to Tobirama, but the basic mechanism is the same. Madara will simply observe and adapt to Minato's superior version first, while simultaneously protecting himself with Susanoo. Then use feints and tricks to lure Minato near him. Madara's sensory perception will allow him to pinpoint Minato the moment he teleports near Madara. And Madara's reaction speed is top-notch as well. So he'll use his Susanoo arms or other weapons/jutsus against Minato.

So yeah, Madara is quite capable of hitting Minato. Even if we entertain your view about Madara being completely incapable of hitting Minato, then that still doesn't give Minato the victory. Minato will just be jumping around here and there, unable to defeat Madara's Susanoo. That's not a victory for Minato.