So... So much for everyone who claimed the Shinju is the progenitor of all Chakra.
Gotta love Kishi. Curve balls left and right. I personally loved this chapter. Some wonderful clarification.
So... So much for everyone who claimed the Shinju is the progenitor of all Chakra.
Gotta love Kishi. Curve balls left and right. I personally loved this chapter. Some wonderful clarification.
Actionmanrandell wrote:
ElvinWindSword wrote: I think Hamura's kids were the creator of the Hyuga clan. Which would mess everything up in Naruto in my opinion because the Hyuga clan was inferior to the Uchiha and Senju.
If the Hyuga was descended from Hamura then they should have more power and potential than the fodder they currently have.
the hyuga clan are not inferior to the uchiha or senju and never have been they have always been known as the magnum force of the leaf. the byakugan has always been known as the superior dojutsu between sharingan and byakugan. the sharingan allows you to see chakra and calculate and understand how a person moves and memorize techniques but doesn't have the microvision of the byakugan or the 360(with a slight blind sight) vision also the byakugan allows the person to see through all genjutsu except for the IT
Yes all clans in the Naruto world are inferior to the Senju (who are the strongest clan out there) and the Uchiha (who were only inferior to the Senju).
It was clearly stated that the two strongest clans were the Uchiha and Senju, by both Hashirama Senju (in his flashback when he was talking about the village history to Sasuke) and by Obito as tobi when he was lecturing Sasuke about Leaf and Uchiha history.
It was said that the Hidden leaf village was founded by the Senju and Uchiha AND all the clans they conquered, which includes the Hyuga.
The Hyuga only became the best after the Uchiha massacre and the unknown fate of the Senju.
Actually, it wasn't exactly the Uchiha being inferior to the Senju but Madara being inferior to Hashirama.... the clans over all were about equal. If one guy got the Senju, the other side would hire the Uchiha....
It should also be noticed that Madara and his brother Izuna at some point started to go blind, so the Uchiha was being led by blind guys...
Over all, the clans themselves were probably equal, it was the leaders that made the real difference....
Deathmailrock wrote: Actually, it wasn't exactly the Uchiha being inferior to the Senju but Madara being inferior to Hashirama.... the clans over all were about equal. If one guy got the Senju, the other side would hire the Uchiha....
The Uchiha were inferior to the Senju, as demonstrated in this chapter, where Uchiha even defected from their clan and submitted to the Senju.
shit dude, nice reference, i was thinking they were equal too but that clearly says they were inferior, good work!
just because there aren't any in mention doesn't mean they died out, how many Sarutobi clan members do you know of, or Shamura clan members?
Darhumphump wrote: just because there aren't any in mention doesn't mean they died out, how many Sarutobi clan members do you know of, or Shamura clan members?
Well yes, but considering the fact that the Senju are always referred to in past tense, and the fact that they aren't one of the four noble clans of the Leaf, implies they're gone for an unknown reason. Especially since the Senju were the strongest clan in the world, and not a single Senju clan member (Except possibly Tsunade) is alive in the Leaf today. No one even has the last name "Senju" at all. So either they died out somehow or Kishi just completely forgot about them and didn't think of a good reason for them to disappear. But they're clearly no longer around.
Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:
Darhumphump wrote: just because there aren't any in mention doesn't mean they died out, how many Sarutobi clan members do you know of, or Shamura clan members?
Well yes, but considering the fact that the Senju are always referred to in past tense, and the fact that they aren't one of the four noble clans of the Leaf, implies they're gone for an unknown reason. Especially since the Senju were the strongest clan in the world, and not a single Senju clan member (Except possibly Tsunade) is alive in the Leaf today. No one even has the last name "Senju" at all. So either they died out somehow or Kishi just completely forgot about them and didn't think of a good reason for them to disappear. But they're clearly no longer around.
Just like Uzumaki, a lot of Senju and Uchiha took on surnames to hide themselves from continuing an endless battle. By hiding your name you successfully hide your entire existence, until of course you do something to make yourself known.
Also you are forgetting something, Tsunade is a Senju as well as Uzumaki, although she does not use her full name she is a Senju(Grandfather - Hashirama Senju) and to a lesser extent Uzumaki(Grandmother - Mito Uzumaki).
There are many other clans that are deemed important that have less known characters in them than the Senju, that doesn't mean they're nonexistent, it means Kishi didn't want to think of 1000s of different designs and back stories and names for entire clans of people.
Crazy theory: what if, what if....... Senju Clan lives outside the village? They are "of the forest" after all, perhaps they simply are no longer shinobi, but people of nature or something.