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ALL POSTSWhat's with all the Kishi hate?
<p>I don't really understand why a lot of Naruto fans hate/criticize Kishimoto for the way he made Naruto.
</p><p>YES, the manga has flaws and YES, the ending wasn't exactly a 10/10 and there were MUCH better endings to other manga/anime, and other pieces of entertainment. I get that. But to start petitions to BAN the manga from being published in North America and force users on forums and Twitter to be blocked/banned JUST because they didn't get their OTP made canon is so ridiculous it's not even funny! This just proves that some people are just immature, whiny losers who can't stand to see things go their own way! I mean, some of my favorite pairings - like Chouji/Ino - didn't happen but you don't see ME complaining and ranting like they are! And also, keep in mind that Kishimoto is only HUMAN! Meaning that he makes mistakes, messes up and isn't perfect just like ALL of us! And I'd like to see YOU do a manga the same way for the same amount of years, publishing a new chapter EVERY WEEK, and see how "easy" YOU find it! In fact, I admire Kishi for pulling that off! I also admire him for having the balls to END the manga! Most people in his position would've made some cop out happen just to continue it's success or because they don't know how to end it/don't want it to end!
</p><p>And I'd say that for his very first BIG manga publication, Naruto was a success BEYOND successes! FIFTEEN years, MILLIONS of fans, one of the longest anime's ever and countless, COUNTLESS good reviews and stats from critics and fans alike?! I'd say that Naruto was commercially and critically successful for something that was made when Kishimoto was still new to the manga world!
</p><p>Kudo's to you, Kishimoto. Well done.
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<p>At last it end, Naruto isn't perfect manga because it targeted for kid not adult. Over complex story just chase out Naruto target group.
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At last it end, Naruto isn't perfect manga because it targeted for kid not adult. Over complex story just chase out Naruto target group.
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<p>HOW?! How is Naruto meant for a child audience?! Did you read the earlier chapters of the manga? They had to be censored HEAVILY before they were released in America, and were censored even further in the anime. We actually have a page on the differences here. </p><p>But aside from that, the themes and motifs of the story are more suited for a teen and adult audience, at least to me. You think little kids felt deaths like Jiraiya or Obito the way the rest of us did? </p>
<p>HOW?! How is Naruto meant for a child audience?! Did you read the earlier chapters of the manga? They had to be censored HEAVILY before they were released in America, and were censored even further in the anime. We actually have a page on the differences here. </p><p>But aside from that, the themes and motifs of the story are more suited for a teen and adult audience, at least to me. You think little kids felt deaths like Jiraiya or Obito the way the rest of us did? </p>
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<p>I agree. Naruto is more likely for young adult audience and such. Besides, one of the many reasons why Naruto was removed from Cartoon network is because the series is becoming "too violent for young viewers". The part one might be suitable for the most of them, but the part two? Not so much.
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<p>HOW?! How is Naruto meant for a child audience?!
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Answer: Naruto Appears in Shueisha Shounen Jump. The word Shounen literally means 'a couple years' Tau or Suzaku correct me if I'm wrong. Its used specifically to reference a child between the ages of elementary and high school, usually boys. Dragon Ball, and Dragon Ball Z were also shounen manga that featured scenes with people getting holes punched in their chest. What is graphic in the west is TAME in Nihon.</div>
Answer: Naruto Appears in Shueisha Shounen Jump. The word Shounen literally means 'a couple years' Tau or Suzaku correct me if I'm wrong. Its used specifically to reference a child between the ages of elementary and high school, usually boys. Dragon Ball, and Dragon Ball Z were also shounen manga that featured scenes with people getting holes punched in their chest. What is graphic in the west is TAME in Nihon.</div>
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<p>The kanji for shonen literally means "few years" but it's more accurately translated as "boy" or "adolescent boy." The target demographic is teen and pre-teen boys, though the average age of its readers has steadily increased and is now something like 16 or 17. It also depends on the magazine, some shonen magazines target older demographics and are basically seinen magazines in everything but name, and some seinen magazine run series that would be perfectly fine in a shonen magazine.
</p><p>In terms of what is considered graphic, it depends on the medium, since there are different ratings boards for each. Restrictions for manga are fairly lenient, as they're black and white still images. It's not that it's considered "tame," just that it's not considered harmful.
</p><p>Television censorship depends entirely on timeslot and the network, much like in the US. Most graphic anime series are aired only after midnight, and almost all anime is censored to some degree when televised, with DVDs being uncut (the same is true for <i>Naruto</i>).
</p><p>Video games in Japan are actually very strictly censored because players are actually in control of the actions, and a lot of M-rated (17+) Western games are heavily censored when released in Japan to avoid a Cero-Z (adults only) rating.
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But, yes, <i>Naruto</i> was aimed primarily at a pre-teen/teen audience, many of whom obviously grew up over the course of the series. Kishimoto also definitely toned down the violence after the chunin exams, around when the anime started airing. It is a pretty tame manga, regardless, especially when compared to a lot of <i>seinen</i> series that target young adults. </p>
But, yes, <i>Naruto</i> was aimed primarily at a pre-teen/teen audience, many of whom obviously grew up over the course of the series. Kishimoto also definitely toned down the violence after the chunin exams, around when the anime started airing. It is a pretty tame manga, regardless, especially when compared to a lot of <i>seinen</i> series that target young adults. </p>
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<p>Naruto has more philosophy than violence, I'd say.
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<p>Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Naruto itself is/was a violent manga. I'm saying it's not suitable for little kids (younger than 13). Animes like Fist of the North Star and Afro Samurai would NEVER be shown on air in their original format today, much like Dragon Ball Z had to be almost completely re-drawn for Kai (I kinda miss seeing Goku and Raditz get blown open by that Special Beam Cannon).
</p><p>But violence wasn't the only reason I think Naruto wasn't a kids' manga. Like Elve said, there's SO much philosophy going in. I think of the philosophical debate between Naruto and Nagato, or the fact that Madara and Obito were such good villains because they genuinely thought they were doing the right thing: you don't understand concepts like that until you're around 15-16.
</p><p>FUN FACT: In my Senior Year of high school, my final paper was to pick a character from a non-American work and describe the monomyth/Hero's Journey of one of its characters. I picked Neji: you saw him as complete douche (anti-hero/rival), then we found out why he was a douche (Byronic/tragic hero) and then he came full circle by choosing his own fate and dying to protect his comrades: just like his father.
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<p>Thank you NeedleJizo. Thank you for continuing on the legacy of the underrated genius, Neji Hyuga. Can't see any other fitting that role better than him, and perhaps Kakashi. Well, a few others as well, but those two lead.
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<p>No matter how "good" Kishi does it, there will always be people who are not satisfied with the way it's going and they'll try to find an excuse to criticize him.
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No matter how "good" Kishi does it, there will always be people who are not satisfied with the way it's going and they'll try to find an excuse to criticize him.
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<p>Yes, and that rings true for every famous person. </p>
<p>Yes, and that rings true for every famous person. </p>
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