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ALL POSTSOPINION: Is Sakura Kage Level?
<p>Sakura gets a fair share of flak, for sure, but let's look at things in perspective here: Sakura (albeit with assistance from Granny Chiyo) defeated S-Rank criminal Sasori of the Red Sand, fought and survived the Fourth Shinobi World War (and was partially a front-liner alongside Naruto and Sasuke atop their summon animals), she has sharpened her Strength of a Hundred jutsu to such a refined level that Shizune and Hashirama remarked upon it, and has become one of the foremost medical ninja in the world. Overall, she has displayed a skill set born of being the personal student of the Fifth Hokage.
</p><p>So I ask: is Sakura kage level by the time we see her in Naruto Gaiden? Has she surpassed Tsunade?
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<p>Uchiahmasters wrote:
the Sakura fanboyism is strong in this discussion. Seriously though Sakura couldn't even challenge Sasuke or Naruto. Sasuke is fast enough to chop off Sakura's head with his sword before she could even react to Sasuke's movements. Naruto could just blow her the hell up with a rasenshuriken which in the last a single rasenshuriken was able to cause multiple explosions.
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<p>i never said hat sakura stand a chance against SM-naruto or above, but normal-guy-naruto has no chance, he can use clones but cant spam rasengan, he cant use wind-release rasenshuriken, he has no genjutsu skills and he is at best mid-lvl in taijutsu... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Minato 87 wrote: @GreatestSin did you watch The Last: Naruto the Movie, Naruto without SM and without KM easily throw 2 Rasenshurikens. </p> </i></div>
<p>did you see them doing more than cutting people into 2 pieces? because i cant remember to see that they explode and than destroy the cells of people, and if this isnt the case prime sakura will instantly heal from something like that and start ripping naruto head from his shoulders :I </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Bob1200 wrote: It Was Wind Release Rasenshuriken Tho, Not Just A Chakra Shuriken, Because That Makes No Sense. --Two years after the Fourth Shinobi World War, Naruto's skill with the Rasenshuriken had improved to the point where he could instantly form and throw it without accessing any of his enhanced forms and even guide it into enemies.-- From The Wikia Itself. </p> </i></div>
<p>watch the movie and tell me that the rasenhuriken he used in the movie are the same that he used in the manga/anime, because they have completly different effects... </p>
<p>i never said hat sakura stand a chance against SM-naruto or above, but normal-guy-naruto has no chance, he can use clones but cant spam rasengan, he cant use wind-release rasenshuriken, he has no genjutsu skills and he is at best mid-lvl in taijutsu... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Minato 87 wrote: @GreatestSin did you watch The Last: Naruto the Movie, Naruto without SM and without KM easily throw 2 Rasenshurikens. </p> </i></div>
<p>did you see them doing more than cutting people into 2 pieces? because i cant remember to see that they explode and than destroy the cells of people, and if this isnt the case prime sakura will instantly heal from something like that and start ripping naruto head from his shoulders :I </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Bob1200 wrote: It Was Wind Release Rasenshuriken Tho, Not Just A Chakra Shuriken, Because That Makes No Sense. --Two years after the Fourth Shinobi World War, Naruto's skill with the Rasenshuriken had improved to the point where he could instantly form and throw it without accessing any of his enhanced forms and even guide it into enemies.-- From The Wikia Itself. </p> </i></div>
<p>watch the movie and tell me that the rasenhuriken he used in the movie are the same that he used in the manga/anime, because they have completly different effects... </p>
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<p>Makimaki11 wrote:
Sakura as she was at the end of manga...She is capable of great things. Going by what we have seen she can survive Tensei no jutsu, meaning basically that her recovery rate is as good as Raikage's. If Tsuna didnt die, neither would Sakura. In smaller context it would mean she could withstand FRS.
</p><p>Sakura is indeed kage level shinobi. Maybe tactically not, but she could be hokage if there was need for her to be. Also she is top 5 Konoha shinobi.
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<p>The Tensei no jutsu is this, which resurrects those who have been killed by the user. There is no way she can withstand the Rasenshuriken. If her chakra network is screwed, how will she be able to use her Strength of a Hundred Seal? </p> </div> <p>Her chakra network is not connected to YIN seal at all. She stores chakra in yin seal and then release it upn herself. Chakra heals everything. </p>
<p>The Tensei no jutsu is this, which resurrects those who have been killed by the user. There is no way she can withstand the Rasenshuriken. If her chakra network is screwed, how will she be able to use her Strength of a Hundred Seal? </p> </div> <p>Her chakra network is not connected to YIN seal at all. She stores chakra in yin seal and then release it upn herself. Chakra heals everything. </p>
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<p>watch the movie and tell me that the rasenhuriken he used in the movie are the same that he used in the manga/anime, because they have completly different effects...
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<p>If I Remember Right They Were Puppets Not People, So Of Course They Would Have Different Effects. lol. </p>
<p>If I Remember Right They Were Puppets Not People, So Of Course They Would Have Different Effects. lol. </p>
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If I Remember Right They Were Puppets Not People, So Of Course They Would Have Different Effects. lol.
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<p>why should they? win release rasnhsuriken expands itself around the target and than attacks him with billions of incredible small cuts, this is it, the rasenshuriken in the movie would obviously have the same effect if they had been the same jutsu, but they arent, it is simply a rasengan-version of a chakra-shuriken :I </p>
<p>why should they? win release rasnhsuriken expands itself around the target and than attacks him with billions of incredible small cuts, this is it, the rasenshuriken in the movie would obviously have the same effect if they had been the same jutsu, but they arent, it is simply a rasengan-version of a chakra-shuriken :I </p>
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If I Remember Right They Were Puppets Not People, So Of Course They Would Have Different Effects. lol.
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<p>why should they? win release rasnhsuriken expands itself around the target and than attacks him with billions of incredible small cuts, this is it, the rasenshuriken in the movie would obviously have the same effect if they had been the same jutsu, but they arent, it is simply a rasengan-version of a chakra-shuriken :I </p> </div> <p>What a stubborn opinion... There`s nowhere said Rasenshuruken must always expand; actually, it expanded only in battle against Pain, in other cases he is thrown => hit/doesn't hit the target => creates a blast of microscopic wind chakra needles. Of course, his additional effect is cutting through the targets in the process, but it doesn't cancel the rest of them. In The Last Rasenshuriken was created and thrown by Naruto, hit and cut through the targets and created the wind chakra blast, although with another colour (as the Rasenshuriken from The Last itself). If you'll say there's no chakra blast after the throw, you'll be definetely wrong, it can be clearly seen during Naruto's battle against Toneri (the latter even had to create a TSB shield to defend himself). So, it's the same Rasenshuriken we've seen in manga and anime. Moreover, if Naruto can throw Rasenshuriken without accessing any of his modes, it means he already avoids damage to his arms, which, as we know, is done by the aforesaid wind chakra blast, because Rasenshukiken blasts after the throw and not in his arm. </p>
<p>why should they? win release rasnhsuriken expands itself around the target and than attacks him with billions of incredible small cuts, this is it, the rasenshuriken in the movie would obviously have the same effect if they had been the same jutsu, but they arent, it is simply a rasengan-version of a chakra-shuriken :I </p> </div> <p>What a stubborn opinion... There`s nowhere said Rasenshuruken must always expand; actually, it expanded only in battle against Pain, in other cases he is thrown => hit/doesn't hit the target => creates a blast of microscopic wind chakra needles. Of course, his additional effect is cutting through the targets in the process, but it doesn't cancel the rest of them. In The Last Rasenshuriken was created and thrown by Naruto, hit and cut through the targets and created the wind chakra blast, although with another colour (as the Rasenshuriken from The Last itself). If you'll say there's no chakra blast after the throw, you'll be definetely wrong, it can be clearly seen during Naruto's battle against Toneri (the latter even had to create a TSB shield to defend himself). So, it's the same Rasenshuriken we've seen in manga and anime. Moreover, if Naruto can throw Rasenshuriken without accessing any of his modes, it means he already avoids damage to his arms, which, as we know, is done by the aforesaid wind chakra blast, because Rasenshukiken blasts after the throw and not in his arm. </p>
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What a stubborn opinion... There`s nowhere said Rasenshuruken must always expand; </i></div>
<p>wind release rasenshuriken does, and this is also the jutsu which is dangerous for sakura... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> actually, it expanded only in battle against Pain, in other cases he is thrown => hit/doesn't hit the target => creates a blast of microscopic wind chakra needles. </i></div>
<p>this is how it always works, if i say expanding i mean the wind-blast with the chakra blades... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> Of course, his additional effect is cutting through the targets in the process, but it doesn't cancel the rest of them. </i></div>
<p>yeah, the blast happens in the normal wind-release-one but in "the last" he didnt use it, he used something akin to a chakra-shuriken which can only cut through a target... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> In The Last Rasenshuriken was created and thrown by Naruto, hit and cut through the targets and created the wind chakra blast, although with another colour (as the Rasenshuriken from The Last itself).</i></div>
<p>it doesnt, i watched it again, the golden-rasenshuriken only cuts through the enemy, it doesnt create a blast with billion of super-sharp wind-blades... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> If you'll say there's no chakra blast after the throw, you'll be definetely wrong, it can be clearly seen during Naruto's battle against Toneri (the latter even had to create a TSB shield to defend himself). </i></div>
<p>we are talking about mode-less naruto, please show me a scan or movie part where he uses the regular wind-release rasenshuken without the help of his modes :I </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> So, it's the same Rasenshuriken we've seen in manga and anime. </i></div>
<p>if he uses the modes, yes, but this doesnt mean that he can use them without them... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: Moreover, if Naruto can throw Rasenshuriken without accessing any of his modes, it means he already avoids damage to his arms, which, as we know, is done by the aforesaid wind chakra blast, because Rasenshukiken blasts after the throw and not in his arm. </p> </i></div>
<p>in the manga the rasenshuriken also hurts his arm despite the fact that it is thrown and that the blast happens after it always left his near... </p><p>the rasenhuriken which he used without his modes didnt show anything similar to the manga-one, and like i said, this golden-rasenshuriken wont be able to do anything against prime sakura with super-healing :I </p>
<p>wind release rasenshuriken does, and this is also the jutsu which is dangerous for sakura... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> actually, it expanded only in battle against Pain, in other cases he is thrown => hit/doesn't hit the target => creates a blast of microscopic wind chakra needles. </i></div>
<p>this is how it always works, if i say expanding i mean the wind-blast with the chakra blades... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> Of course, his additional effect is cutting through the targets in the process, but it doesn't cancel the rest of them. </i></div>
<p>yeah, the blast happens in the normal wind-release-one but in "the last" he didnt use it, he used something akin to a chakra-shuriken which can only cut through a target... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> In The Last Rasenshuriken was created and thrown by Naruto, hit and cut through the targets and created the wind chakra blast, although with another colour (as the Rasenshuriken from The Last itself).</i></div>
<p>it doesnt, i watched it again, the golden-rasenshuriken only cuts through the enemy, it doesnt create a blast with billion of super-sharp wind-blades... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> If you'll say there's no chakra blast after the throw, you'll be definetely wrong, it can be clearly seen during Naruto's battle against Toneri (the latter even had to create a TSB shield to defend himself). </i></div>
<p>we are talking about mode-less naruto, please show me a scan or movie part where he uses the regular wind-release rasenshuken without the help of his modes :I </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> So, it's the same Rasenshuriken we've seen in manga and anime. </i></div>
<p>if he uses the modes, yes, but this doesnt mean that he can use them without them... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: Moreover, if Naruto can throw Rasenshuriken without accessing any of his modes, it means he already avoids damage to his arms, which, as we know, is done by the aforesaid wind chakra blast, because Rasenshukiken blasts after the throw and not in his arm. </p> </i></div>
<p>in the manga the rasenshuriken also hurts his arm despite the fact that it is thrown and that the blast happens after it always left his near... </p><p>the rasenhuriken which he used without his modes didnt show anything similar to the manga-one, and like i said, this golden-rasenshuriken wont be able to do anything against prime sakura with super-healing :I </p>
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<p>@GreatestSin Each and every single Rasenshuriken is Wind Release, that is what gives it the shuriken shape in the first place. Naruto's Rasenshuriken didn't need to expand in The Last because he wasn't trying to create a massive spiraling sphere of millions of microscopic wind blades to tear the whole area asunder. Especially when he was fighting on rooftops in the village. You have no proof that the Rasenshuriken he used was any weaker at all, and thus if Sakura gets hit, she is dead. Her healing will not matter if she can't even use chakra at all. I understand that you like Sakura a lot, but she just cannot beat Naruto at all anymore.
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<p>Dude This Is A Movie Rasenshuriken Not A Manga One, lol. This Is Also 2 Years After The Manga (Chapter 699) Takes Place. He Could've Changed The Technique In That Time Or Made It So It Doesn't Do The Blast Anymore Because It Would Cause A lot Of Collateral Damage, But Naruto Can Also Make It Expand And Explode At Will. If U Didn't Notice Its Also Significantly Smaller Than The Original Rasenshuriken, Probably Because He Uses It Without Clones Now And A Smaller Rasenshuriken Would Be More Stable.
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<p>@Legendary Super Saya-Jin 4 Except in comical situtations... Bleh.
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@GreatestSin Each and every single Rasenshuriken is Wind Release, that is what gives it the shuriken shape in the first place. Naruto's Rasenshuriken didn't need to expand in The Last because he wasn't trying to create a massive spiraling sphere of millions of microscopic wind blades to tear the whole area asunder. Especially when he was fighting on rooftops in the village. </i></div>
<p>please proof what you said here ^_^ </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> You have no proof that the Rasenshuriken he used was any weaker at all, and thus if Sakura gets hit, she is dead.</i></div>
<p>it is weaker, by a lot, i mean, something that cuts your bodys chakra network into pieces and something that cuts you into 2 pieces...what is more "deadly"? </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> Her healing will not matter if she can't even use chakra at all. </i></div>
<p>agree, unfortunatly nobody can show that he can use this jutsu without his modes so it doesnt matter... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: I understand that you like Sakura a lot, but she just cannot beat Naruto at all anymore. </p> </i></div>
<p>hahahaha, i belong to the ones who hate with legit reasons, sakura is a useless char(i admit, she is kishis char), she didnt do anything useful for the story until the last second, only the kaguya punch was something that she managed to do but even this only happened because of plot :I </p><p>either way, the only way how i see it is that prime sakura will destroy mode-less-naruto, he doesnt have a chance, without bijuu or SM he cant spam rasengans/shurikens and clones will be oneshotted, if others are to biased with sakura-hate in order to see that it isnt something i can change ^_^ </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Bob1200 wrote: Dude This Is A Movie Rasenshuriken Not A Manga One, lol. This Is Also 2 Years After The Manga (Chapter 699) Takes Place. He Could've Changed The Technique In That Time Or Made It So It Doesn't Do The Blast Anymore Because It Would Cause A lot Of Collateral Damage, But Naruto Can Also Make It Expand And Explode At Will. If U Didn't Notice Its Also Significantly Smaller Than The Original Rasenshuriken, Probably Because He Uses It Without Clones Now And A Smaller Rasenshuriken Would Be More Stable. </p> </i></div>
<p>please proof the bolded parts... </p>
<p>please proof what you said here ^_^ </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> You have no proof that the Rasenshuriken he used was any weaker at all, and thus if Sakura gets hit, she is dead.</i></div>
<p>it is weaker, by a lot, i mean, something that cuts your bodys chakra network into pieces and something that cuts you into 2 pieces...what is more "deadly"? </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> Her healing will not matter if she can't even use chakra at all. </i></div>
<p>agree, unfortunatly nobody can show that he can use this jutsu without his modes so it doesnt matter... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: I understand that you like Sakura a lot, but she just cannot beat Naruto at all anymore. </p> </i></div>
<p>hahahaha, i belong to the ones who hate with legit reasons, sakura is a useless char(i admit, she is kishis char), she didnt do anything useful for the story until the last second, only the kaguya punch was something that she managed to do but even this only happened because of plot :I </p><p>either way, the only way how i see it is that prime sakura will destroy mode-less-naruto, he doesnt have a chance, without bijuu or SM he cant spam rasengans/shurikens and clones will be oneshotted, if others are to biased with sakura-hate in order to see that it isnt something i can change ^_^ </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Bob1200 wrote: Dude This Is A Movie Rasenshuriken Not A Manga One, lol. This Is Also 2 Years After The Manga (Chapter 699) Takes Place. He Could've Changed The Technique In That Time Or Made It So It Doesn't Do The Blast Anymore Because It Would Cause A lot Of Collateral Damage, But Naruto Can Also Make It Expand And Explode At Will. If U Didn't Notice Its Also Significantly Smaller Than The Original Rasenshuriken, Probably Because He Uses It Without Clones Now And A Smaller Rasenshuriken Would Be More Stable. </p> </i></div>
<p>please proof the bolded parts... </p>
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