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ALL POSTSOPINION: Is Sakura Kage Level?
<p>Sakura gets a fair share of flak, for sure, but let's look at things in perspective here: Sakura (albeit with assistance from Granny Chiyo) defeated S-Rank criminal Sasori of the Red Sand, fought and survived the Fourth Shinobi World War (and was partially a front-liner alongside Naruto and Sasuke atop their summon animals), she has sharpened her Strength of a Hundred jutsu to such a refined level that Shizune and Hashirama remarked upon it, and has become one of the foremost medical ninja in the world. Overall, she has displayed a skill set born of being the personal student of the Fifth Hokage.
</p><p>So I ask: is Sakura kage level by the time we see her in Naruto Gaiden? Has she surpassed Tsunade?
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What a stubborn opinion... There`s nowhere said Rasenshuruken must always expand; </i></div>
<p>wind release rasenshuriken does, and this is also the jutsu which is dangerous for sakura... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> actually, it expanded only in battle against Pain, in other cases he is thrown => hit/doesn't hit the target => creates a blast of microscopic wind chakra needles. </i></div>
<p>this is how it always works, if i say expanding i mean the wind-blast with the chakra blades... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> Of course, his additional effect is cutting through the targets in the process, but it doesn't cancel the rest of them. </i></div>
<p>yeah, the blast happens in the normal wind-release-one but in "the last" he didnt use it, he used something akin to a chakra-shuriken which can only cut through a target... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> In The Last Rasenshuriken was created and thrown by Naruto, hit and cut through the targets and created the wind chakra blast, although with another colour (as the Rasenshuriken from The Last itself).</i></div>
<p>it doesnt, i watched it again, the golden-rasenshuriken only cuts through the enemy, it doesnt create a blast with billion of super-sharp wind-blades... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> If you'll say there's no chakra blast after the throw, you'll be definetely wrong, it can be clearly seen during Naruto's battle against Toneri (the latter even had to create a TSB shield to defend himself). </i></div>
<p>we are talking about mode-less naruto, please show me a scan or movie part where he uses the regular wind-release rasenshuken without the help of his modes :I </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> So, it's the same Rasenshuriken we've seen in manga and anime. </i></div>
<p>if he uses the modes, yes, but this doesnt mean that he can use them without them... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: Moreover, if Naruto can throw Rasenshuriken without accessing any of his modes, it means he already avoids damage to his arms, which, as we know, is done by the aforesaid wind chakra blast, because Rasenshukiken blasts after the throw and not in his arm. </p> </i></div>
<p>in the manga the rasenshuriken also hurts his arm despite the fact that it is thrown and that the blast happens after it always left his near... </p><p>the rasenhuriken which he used without his modes didnt show anything similar to the manga-one, and like i said, this golden-rasenshuriken wont be able to do anything against prime sakura with super-healing :I </p>
<p>wind release rasenshuriken does, and this is also the jutsu which is dangerous for sakura... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> actually, it expanded only in battle against Pain, in other cases he is thrown => hit/doesn't hit the target => creates a blast of microscopic wind chakra needles. </i></div>
<p>this is how it always works, if i say expanding i mean the wind-blast with the chakra blades... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> Of course, his additional effect is cutting through the targets in the process, but it doesn't cancel the rest of them. </i></div>
<p>yeah, the blast happens in the normal wind-release-one but in "the last" he didnt use it, he used something akin to a chakra-shuriken which can only cut through a target... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> In The Last Rasenshuriken was created and thrown by Naruto, hit and cut through the targets and created the wind chakra blast, although with another colour (as the Rasenshuriken from The Last itself).</i></div>
<p>it doesnt, i watched it again, the golden-rasenshuriken only cuts through the enemy, it doesnt create a blast with billion of super-sharp wind-blades... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> If you'll say there's no chakra blast after the throw, you'll be definetely wrong, it can be clearly seen during Naruto's battle against Toneri (the latter even had to create a TSB shield to defend himself). </i></div>
<p>we are talking about mode-less naruto, please show me a scan or movie part where he uses the regular wind-release rasenshuken without the help of his modes :I </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: </p> So, it's the same Rasenshuriken we've seen in manga and anime. </i></div>
<p>if he uses the modes, yes, but this doesnt mean that he can use them without them... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Ravenlot 27 wrote: Moreover, if Naruto can throw Rasenshuriken without accessing any of his modes, it means he already avoids damage to his arms, which, as we know, is done by the aforesaid wind chakra blast, because Rasenshukiken blasts after the throw and not in his arm. </p> </i></div>
<p>in the manga the rasenshuriken also hurts his arm despite the fact that it is thrown and that the blast happens after it always left his near... </p><p>the rasenhuriken which he used without his modes didnt show anything similar to the manga-one, and like i said, this golden-rasenshuriken wont be able to do anything against prime sakura with super-healing :I </p>
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<p>@GreatestSin Each and every single Rasenshuriken is Wind Release, that is what gives it the shuriken shape in the first place. Naruto's Rasenshuriken didn't need to expand in The Last because he wasn't trying to create a massive spiraling sphere of millions of microscopic wind blades to tear the whole area asunder. Especially when he was fighting on rooftops in the village. You have no proof that the Rasenshuriken he used was any weaker at all, and thus if Sakura gets hit, she is dead. Her healing will not matter if she can't even use chakra at all. I understand that you like Sakura a lot, but she just cannot beat Naruto at all anymore.
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<p>Dude This Is A Movie Rasenshuriken Not A Manga One, lol. This Is Also 2 Years After The Manga (Chapter 699) Takes Place. He Could've Changed The Technique In That Time Or Made It So It Doesn't Do The Blast Anymore Because It Would Cause A lot Of Collateral Damage, But Naruto Can Also Make It Expand And Explode At Will. If U Didn't Notice Its Also Significantly Smaller Than The Original Rasenshuriken, Probably Because He Uses It Without Clones Now And A Smaller Rasenshuriken Would Be More Stable.
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<p>@Legendary Super Saya-Jin 4 Except in comical situtations... Bleh.
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<p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:
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@GreatestSin Each and every single Rasenshuriken is Wind Release, that is what gives it the shuriken shape in the first place. Naruto's Rasenshuriken didn't need to expand in The Last because he wasn't trying to create a massive spiraling sphere of millions of microscopic wind blades to tear the whole area asunder. Especially when he was fighting on rooftops in the village. </i></div>
<p>please proof what you said here ^_^ </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> You have no proof that the Rasenshuriken he used was any weaker at all, and thus if Sakura gets hit, she is dead.</i></div>
<p>it is weaker, by a lot, i mean, something that cuts your bodys chakra network into pieces and something that cuts you into 2 pieces...what is more "deadly"? </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> Her healing will not matter if she can't even use chakra at all. </i></div>
<p>agree, unfortunatly nobody can show that he can use this jutsu without his modes so it doesnt matter... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: I understand that you like Sakura a lot, but she just cannot beat Naruto at all anymore. </p> </i></div>
<p>hahahaha, i belong to the ones who hate with legit reasons, sakura is a useless char(i admit, she is kishis char), she didnt do anything useful for the story until the last second, only the kaguya punch was something that she managed to do but even this only happened because of plot :I </p><p>either way, the only way how i see it is that prime sakura will destroy mode-less-naruto, he doesnt have a chance, without bijuu or SM he cant spam rasengans/shurikens and clones will be oneshotted, if others are to biased with sakura-hate in order to see that it isnt something i can change ^_^ </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Bob1200 wrote: Dude This Is A Movie Rasenshuriken Not A Manga One, lol. This Is Also 2 Years After The Manga (Chapter 699) Takes Place. He Could've Changed The Technique In That Time Or Made It So It Doesn't Do The Blast Anymore Because It Would Cause A lot Of Collateral Damage, But Naruto Can Also Make It Expand And Explode At Will. If U Didn't Notice Its Also Significantly Smaller Than The Original Rasenshuriken, Probably Because He Uses It Without Clones Now And A Smaller Rasenshuriken Would Be More Stable. </p> </i></div>
<p>please proof the bolded parts... </p>
<p>please proof what you said here ^_^ </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> You have no proof that the Rasenshuriken he used was any weaker at all, and thus if Sakura gets hit, she is dead.</i></div>
<p>it is weaker, by a lot, i mean, something that cuts your bodys chakra network into pieces and something that cuts you into 2 pieces...what is more "deadly"? </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> Her healing will not matter if she can't even use chakra at all. </i></div>
<p>agree, unfortunatly nobody can show that he can use this jutsu without his modes so it doesnt matter... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: I understand that you like Sakura a lot, but she just cannot beat Naruto at all anymore. </p> </i></div>
<p>hahahaha, i belong to the ones who hate with legit reasons, sakura is a useless char(i admit, she is kishis char), she didnt do anything useful for the story until the last second, only the kaguya punch was something that she managed to do but even this only happened because of plot :I </p><p>either way, the only way how i see it is that prime sakura will destroy mode-less-naruto, he doesnt have a chance, without bijuu or SM he cant spam rasengans/shurikens and clones will be oneshotted, if others are to biased with sakura-hate in order to see that it isnt something i can change ^_^ </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Bob1200 wrote: Dude This Is A Movie Rasenshuriken Not A Manga One, lol. This Is Also 2 Years After The Manga (Chapter 699) Takes Place. He Could've Changed The Technique In That Time Or Made It So It Doesn't Do The Blast Anymore Because It Would Cause A lot Of Collateral Damage, But Naruto Can Also Make It Expand And Explode At Will. If U Didn't Notice Its Also Significantly Smaller Than The Original Rasenshuriken, Probably Because He Uses It Without Clones Now And A Smaller Rasenshuriken Would Be More Stable. </p> </i></div>
<p>please proof the bolded parts... </p>
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<p>^ Read My Earlier Post.
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<p>GreatestSin wrote:
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<p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:
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@GreatestSin Each and every single Rasenshuriken is Wind Release, that is what gives it the shuriken shape in the first place. Naruto's Rasenshuriken didn't need to expand in The Last because he wasn't trying to create a massive spiraling sphere of millions of microscopic wind blades to tear the whole area asunder. Especially when he was fighting on rooftops in the village. </i></div>
<p>please proof what you said here ^_^ </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> You have no proof that the Rasenshuriken he used was any weaker at all, and thus if Sakura gets hit, she is dead.</i></div>
<p>it is weaker, by a lot, i mean, something that cuts your bodys chakra network into pieces and something that cuts you into 2 pieces...what is more "deadly"? </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> Her healing will not matter if she can't even use chakra at all. </i></div>
<p>agree, unfortunatly nobody can show that he can use this jutsu without his modes so it doesnt matter... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: I understand that you like Sakura a lot, but she just cannot beat Naruto at all anymore. </p> </i></div>
<p>hahahaha, i belong to the ones who hate with legit reasons, sakura is a useless char(i admit, she is kishis char), she didnt do anything useful for the story until the last second, only the kaguya punch was something that she managed to do but even this only happened because of plot :I </p><p>either way, the only way how i see it is that prime sakura will destroy mode-less-naruto, he doesnt have a chance, without bijuu or SM he cant spam rasengans/shurikens and clones will be oneshotted, if others are to biased with sakura-hate in order to see that it isnt something i can change ^_^ </p> </div> <p>assuming others are biased or just plain hateful can be seen as disrespectful, I don't hate Sakura nor am I biased I just acknowledge the fact that Sakura has no chance of beating mode less Naruto, even without modes he is still much faster than the relatively slow Sakura. and how exactly would she be able to heal being cut in half or having her head chopped of, because even if what you say about rasenshuriken is true it could still easily chop off her head or cut her in half and no matter how good she is in healing she still isn't going to be able to survive having her head chopped clean off. </p>
<p>please proof what you said here ^_^ </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> You have no proof that the Rasenshuriken he used was any weaker at all, and thus if Sakura gets hit, she is dead.</i></div>
<p>it is weaker, by a lot, i mean, something that cuts your bodys chakra network into pieces and something that cuts you into 2 pieces...what is more "deadly"? </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> Her healing will not matter if she can't even use chakra at all. </i></div>
<p>agree, unfortunatly nobody can show that he can use this jutsu without his modes so it doesnt matter... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: I understand that you like Sakura a lot, but she just cannot beat Naruto at all anymore. </p> </i></div>
<p>hahahaha, i belong to the ones who hate with legit reasons, sakura is a useless char(i admit, she is kishis char), she didnt do anything useful for the story until the last second, only the kaguya punch was something that she managed to do but even this only happened because of plot :I </p><p>either way, the only way how i see it is that prime sakura will destroy mode-less-naruto, he doesnt have a chance, without bijuu or SM he cant spam rasengans/shurikens and clones will be oneshotted, if others are to biased with sakura-hate in order to see that it isnt something i can change ^_^ </p> </div> <p>assuming others are biased or just plain hateful can be seen as disrespectful, I don't hate Sakura nor am I biased I just acknowledge the fact that Sakura has no chance of beating mode less Naruto, even without modes he is still much faster than the relatively slow Sakura. and how exactly would she be able to heal being cut in half or having her head chopped of, because even if what you say about rasenshuriken is true it could still easily chop off her head or cut her in half and no matter how good she is in healing she still isn't going to be able to survive having her head chopped clean off. </p>
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<p>GreatestSin wrote:
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<p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:
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@GreatestSin Each and every single Rasenshuriken is Wind Release, that is what gives it the shuriken shape in the first place. Naruto's Rasenshuriken didn't need to expand in The Last because he wasn't trying to create a massive spiraling sphere of millions of microscopic wind blades to tear the whole area asunder. Especially when he was fighting on rooftops in the village. </i></div>
<p>please proof what you said here ^_^ </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> You have no proof that the Rasenshuriken he used was any weaker at all, and thus if Sakura gets hit, she is dead.</i></div>
<p>it is weaker, by a lot, i mean, something that cuts your bodys chakra network into pieces and something that cuts you into 2 pieces...what is more "deadly"? </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> Her healing will not matter if she can't even use chakra at all. </i></div>
<p>agree, unfortunatly nobody can show that he can use this jutsu without his modes so it doesnt matter... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: I understand that you like Sakura a lot, but she just cannot beat Naruto at all anymore. </p> </i></div>
<p>hahahaha, i belong to the ones who hate with legit reasons, sakura is a useless char(i admit, she is kishis char), she didnt do anything useful for the story until the last second, only the kaguya punch was something that she managed to do but even this only happened because of plot :I </p><p>either way, the only way how i see it is that prime sakura will destroy mode-less-naruto, he doesnt have a chance, without bijuu or SM he cant spam rasengans/shurikens and clones will be oneshotted, if others are to biased with sakura-hate in order to see that it isnt something i can change ^_^ </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Bob1200 wrote: Dude This Is A Movie Rasenshuriken Not A Manga One, lol. This Is Also 2 Years After The Manga (Chapter 699) Takes Place. He Could've Changed The Technique In That Time Or Made It So It Doesn't Do The Blast Anymore Because It Would Cause A lot Of Collateral Damage, But Naruto Can Also Make It Expand And Explode At Will. If U Didn't Notice Its Also Significantly Smaller Than The Original Rasenshuriken, Probably Because He Uses It Without Clones Now And A Smaller Rasenshuriken Would Be More Stable. </p> </i></div>
<p>please proof the bolded parts... </p> </div> <p>Considering He Never Used Clones For It During The War, I Would Assume He's Mastered It By Now. A lot Of It Is Speculation, But U Have No Real Proof That Its NOT Rasenshuriken, Especially Since This Wikia Itself Says It IS Rasenshuriken. </p>
<p>please proof what you said here ^_^ </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> You have no proof that the Rasenshuriken he used was any weaker at all, and thus if Sakura gets hit, she is dead.</i></div>
<p>it is weaker, by a lot, i mean, something that cuts your bodys chakra network into pieces and something that cuts you into 2 pieces...what is more "deadly"? </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: </p> Her healing will not matter if she can't even use chakra at all. </i></div>
<p>agree, unfortunatly nobody can show that he can use this jutsu without his modes so it doesnt matter... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: I understand that you like Sakura a lot, but she just cannot beat Naruto at all anymore. </p> </i></div>
<p>hahahaha, i belong to the ones who hate with legit reasons, sakura is a useless char(i admit, she is kishis char), she didnt do anything useful for the story until the last second, only the kaguya punch was something that she managed to do but even this only happened because of plot :I </p><p>either way, the only way how i see it is that prime sakura will destroy mode-less-naruto, he doesnt have a chance, without bijuu or SM he cant spam rasengans/shurikens and clones will be oneshotted, if others are to biased with sakura-hate in order to see that it isnt something i can change ^_^ </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Bob1200 wrote: Dude This Is A Movie Rasenshuriken Not A Manga One, lol. This Is Also 2 Years After The Manga (Chapter 699) Takes Place. He Could've Changed The Technique In That Time Or Made It So It Doesn't Do The Blast Anymore Because It Would Cause A lot Of Collateral Damage, But Naruto Can Also Make It Expand And Explode At Will. If U Didn't Notice Its Also Significantly Smaller Than The Original Rasenshuriken, Probably Because He Uses It Without Clones Now And A Smaller Rasenshuriken Would Be More Stable. </p> </i></div>
<p>please proof the bolded parts... </p> </div> <p>Considering He Never Used Clones For It During The War, I Would Assume He's Mastered It By Now. A lot Of It Is Speculation, But U Have No Real Proof That Its NOT Rasenshuriken, Especially Since This Wikia Itself Says It IS Rasenshuriken. </p>
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<p>Have you not watched The Last GreatestSin? Naruto creates RasenShurikens instantly and by himself.. AND he can control their trajectory now and chose when it erupts. He didn't use Sage Mode or Kurama Modes at all. Sakura cannot beat him, she has no chance in hell
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<p>@GreatestSin
1. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Wind_Release%3A_Rasenshuriken That is all I need, do you know anything called a "Rasenshuriken" or "Chakra Shuriken". No, it's all based on the wind release rasenshuriken, and the page itself says that the wind gives it the shuriken shape.
</p><p>2. It cut the puppets bodies in half, it never exploded and had the chance to do all of that. They aren't even human anyway, so it obviously wouldn't have the same effect.
</p><p>3. The Last is proof. You're assuming he is using a brand new move, that is just a chakra shuriken with no proof whatsoever. When Rasenshuriken, and all of it's variants are all Wind Release based on the Manga. There is nothing that suggest it isn't wind, other than speculation. So please, for the sake of this argument. Just admit that Sakura gets one-shotted by a base Naruto in The Last and beyond.
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