<p>@Bsmooth. </p><p>"Bro how do you say “what makes you think Shisui would kill him? ” but also say “a random battle to death”. I did contradict myself, but at the end of the day, it remains true. Shisui doesn't have to kill Sasuke to even win. </p><p>"Shisui is a big uchiha we all praise so you would have to be prepared even if they don’t know each other’s abilities." It doesn't matter if Shisui is a big name. The DP doesn't give them prep time so they don't have it. In fact, the DP states "They have no prior knowledge of each other's abilities." This means Sasuke has no knowledge on SHisui, so your argument fails there bud. </p><p>"Another thing mention up top no data books stats sir.u mentioning he not listed as a user is pointless" Incorrect. Stats are not jutsu. Stats are their statistical abilities such as Strength, Speed, Stamina, etc. Not the jutsu listed. Sasuke is not a user of Izanagi, stated by the Databook approved by Kishimoto. Therefore Kishimoto himself, maker of Naruto, said Sasuke does not have Izanagi due to him not listing it in the Databook or mentioning it in the Manga. </p><p>"Just cuz he hasn’t used it doesn’t mean he doesn’t know how to use it if that makes sense" That doesn't. That's like me saying just cause Shisui hasn't used a world sized Truth Seeking Orb, doesn't mean he doesn't have it. It doesn't work like that. You don't get to give jutsu to people stated not to have it. </p>

<p>First things 1st I do enjoy debating with you sir on this topic but you must understand that creator of this arguement just said “No databook stats!!!. Actual feats or substantiated speculation (be able to back up any claims) only.”....although u have great points to be taken which I commend you for..but lemme tell you something izanagi is a broad jutsu for uchiha just like fireball jutsu although it doesn’t state if regular sharingan can use it(based on Danzo arm example) but it’s safe to say anyway who has Mangekyou sharingan can use it you just got to have knowledge on it ,it can’t be exactly taught as proof in show..but anyone tryna teach another person to use will just loose an eye an that doesn’t make no sense.so it’s okay for me to say sasuke has capability of using it just like Madara an Obito an itachi etc.As a ninja y should prepare ahead of time for sumone your fighting you don’t know always having ideas just in case u encounter someone an that goes for both em it’s unfortunate the creator of this arguement really think bout that but </p><p>.An saying that other comment is like saying “That's like me saying just cause Shisui hasn't used a world sized Truth Seeking Orb, doesn't mean he doesn't have it.” ..it’s a bit fafetch example bro but u would deff understand if I put it like (that’s like me saying) Madara just activated his Rinnegan but all of sudden for w.e. He summoning meteorites am deep forest emergence for first time.he has it but doesn’t know how to use it but it’s clearly possible if he just did it. So it’s like with this it clearly works like that.with this show I’m not surprised by anything involved with uchiha bs an I know you agree with me lmaoooo.. </p><p>The last thing bout this topic is.......is it...a death match or just a fight. Cuz if just a fight I’m not ignorant to say Shisui won’t win,but I say if it’s a death match sasuke just got this.so which situation is this </p>

<p>@BSmooth </p><p>Again you fail to realize something. "No Databook Stats" /stats/ stats/ /stats/. Do you know what Stats are? They are not jutsu. Izanagi is not a stat. You can use the Databook, just not it's stats. Therefore you lose the argument. Sasuke does not have Izanagi. Kishimoto says he doesn't. Doesn't matter what you say, or anyone else says. Kishimoto's word is law. Show me in the Manga Sasuke using Izanagi. If you can't, then he doesn't have it. If you say he does, then I say Shisui can destroy the world by breathing. I don't care how far fetch it is cause it's the same thing you're doing. You are giving an ability to someone not shown to have it. </p><p>It doesn't matter if it's a death match or a fight. Shisui wins. I don't even think Sasuke has the ability to break out of Shisui's normal Genjutsu. He barely broke out of Itachi's. Shisui is better at Genjutsu than Itachi. </p><p>Sasuke /does not/ have Izanagi. /But/ even if he did. He wouldn't have used it before the fight since Sasuke doesn't know who Shisui is, in this fight stated above. And EVEN IF he could prep it before the fight, Shisui would hit him with Koto. Sasuke would use his Izanagi. Shisui would just hit him with another Koto before he tries to prepare it again and makes sure he can't use it anymore. Game over. Shisui has two eyes. Two times he can control Sasuke. Sasuke loses whether by death or by being turned into a slave. </p>

<p>@lonerninja please give me the exact definition on google of a stat...An your crazy it’s bout them not having knowledge of each other abilities not each other.Sasuke definitely knows him since he was a child so he deff would have used it.when he was a child right itachi an Shisui just finished sparring which I wish they showed sasuke came to the scene an Shisui was type cocky cuz he knew he was right but jokingly said he beat sasuke brother,sasuke argued that saying his brother wud never lose to anyone,but after address it on spot to itachi right in of both ppl itachi just smiled an couldn’t say he can beat Shisui u know how powerful a statement that is.an if that’s the only known scene with sasuke interaction with Shisui as a child an that’s his only memory u think he is not gonna be prepared with izanagi your crazy!!... Kishimoto word Is law..but it’s not even fair cuz he never gave him option of chance to use it in the show like Time fight with Kabuto they suggest it but then itachi was like nah I got something even better Izanami.. an to ya other statement even if sasuke barely broke itachi genjutsu who’s second best at that he still broke it,with a regular sharingan So with an enhanced Mangekyou sharingan I would expect him to break Shisui genjutsu if only barely.....u gotta read my last paragraph also he wouldn’t use Kotoamatsuki a 2nd time immediately it takes time to charge if not close to an hour which I’m being fair cuz I could’ve said 10years as itachi stated,but regardless would need still need time to charge so he would be forced to use at most izanagi rendering him with one eye unable to activate Koto for a while..He has what one other jutsu but it’s not enough more evasive if anything.......but please your definition on stats </p>

<p>@Bsmooth </p><p>Why do you keep making stuff up? First off, no, he won't prepare Izanagi even if he could BECAUSE THERE'S NO PREP TIME GIVEN IN THE DESCRIPTION. So prep time results in a disqualification. So if Sasuke goes in with Izanagi activated, he automatically loses. </p><p>And even if Prep time is allowed WHICH IT ISN'T. He has no knowledge of Shisui's abilities ACCORDING TO THE DESCRIPTION. So if he doesn't know Shisui is powerful why would he go in to a fight with it activated when he has never did it before? Answer he wouldn't! Just like he wouldn't against Sakura, he didn't against Momoshiki who he viewed as a threat to the entire world, he didn't against Kaguya who was a threat to the entire world, and all the rest of his fights. Yet, you think he is going to for Shisui, who he doesn't see as a threat because HE HAS NO KNOWLEDGE OF HOW POWERFUL OR EVEN IF HE IS POWERFUL? Get real. </p><p>You're right, Kishimoto's word is law. And Kishimoto states Sasuke doesn't have Izanagi. Show me him using it or Kishimoto himself saying he has it. Or else it's bull. I don't even know why you think he does. Just cause his brother had Izanami? Get out of here. Sasuke has Rinnegan, so by your logic, Sarada should have it too. Illogical. </p><p>And no. Koto does not need to charge to use the other eye that did not use Koto yet. WHY DO YOU KEEP MAKING STUFF UP. There are two eyes. If you used the right eye, you still have the left. If it needed to charge for both eyes, then why did Itachi get to use Koto when Danzo used Koto with the other eye? Answer is they ARE SEPERATE EYES AND EACH HAVE A USAGE. Be smarter than a 5th grader and use your head. </p><p>You don't know what stats mean? Oh my god LOL. Stats, short for statistics, means "The practice or science of collecting and analyzing numerical data in large quantities" Numerical Data. Know what that means? Numbers. Last I checked, Izanagi isn't a number, is it? </p><p>If you still can't conceive such simple information, then I'll show you. Go on google. Type in "Naruto wiki stats", and you'll see the stat's for characters from the Databook. Guess what isn't on there. JUTSU. Smh. </p>

<p>@NeedleJizo. Sasuke wins this, if Shisui does not have Koto. Sasuke's speed have been mentioned many times, able to dodge Raikages punch, and Killer Bee's attack. Dodging bombs near the second they explode. Sasuke is fast, he's just wasn't born in the time fo war to be mentioned of it, I would say, he's way faster than Shisui. </p><p>Genjutsu skills, well Shisui was famous for it, but Sasuke also withstood Itachi's basic Genjutsu and as well as break out of Tsukuyomi. </p><p>And about the Danzo fight, while Danzo was holding back his said powers. Sasuke came after fighting Kages, Samurais and gaining pain even in the cells because of Susanoo. The only healing he got was from Karin, who even after healing Sasuke with her special ability, worried about him using Chidori, since he's still injured even after being healed by one of the best healing techniques in the series. And whatever Chakra Danzo held back, wouldn't matter. Since the whole theme of the fight was Sasuke killing off Danzo(and thus reducing his Sharingan), so even if Danzo held back, he was still tricked into believing he had held back some power(His sharingan for example) only go realize that it was a genjutsu. The fight was of who's gonna get killed faster and not who's chakra gonna last out, so even if he was holding back his power, it wouldn't change a thing. Period. </p><p>So with mastery with sword, shurikens and taijutsu, a close combat battle wouldn't be good for Shisui. </p><p>And with Kirin, chidori(And it's variants), Amaterasu, Susanoo, Taijutsu, mastery with weopens and snake summons, Sasuke takes this. </p><p>One thing before I end this, MS Sasuke has grown stronger than Shisui, it's a fact, agree or not, but if Shisui has his Koto then he might very well defeat Sasuke, since the Koto is another unexplained OP jutsu like Itachi's TB. Without any clarifications of it's weaknesses or why it didn't make Shisui the strongest shinobi ever. </p><p>This is just my opinion, though. </p>

<p>@loneninja I think you should listen to @blazerealease opinion too.Okay 2eye part makes sense.preparing it being beforehand I’ll leave be.however if he had possiblility of using izanagi (sasuke)du don’t believe he would use after just getting struck by fatal blow just asking.an I’m going to look at what you told me right now....he has no knowledge of his powers...He knows who he is ..if he knows itachi is strong but can’t say he is stronger than Shisui in front of both of them y can’t we admit in that sense he just may think Shisui is actually that strong to point more then itachi which would be enough..not that this is not in your favor but you gotta stop mentioning databook stats when the arguement mentions NO DATABOOk STATS it’s irrelevant to this situation so u can get mad at me much for having stuff because the databook factor doesn’t belong in this .... </p><p>Side note:Another thing itachi explained to him pretty much the history an how to play by play how to use Izanami,not even cuz Itachi has Izanami..if he got explain how to use a power that’s a broad uchiha jutsu amongst Mangekyou users you think he wouldn’t be able to perform. Now I read the stats on sasuke even tho we’re not suppose to usedatabook it was interesting bro.i liked how they breaker it down.but back to the side note which I would like you to understand from perspective.thank you for breaking down definition of stats </p>

Koto one shots.

<p>@Blaze and Bsmooth </p><p>I'm not going to take what Blaze said into consideration because Shisui does have Koto, so there's no reason to get off topic and argue if he would win without it. </p><p>No I do not believe Sasuke would use Izanagi. Reason? He didn't against Kaguya, he didn't against Momoshiki. He didn't even use it when Madara stabbed him and was on the verge of dying. So why would he use it on Shisui, a guy he doesn't think is strong. If he knows him, so what? He doesn't know Shisui is better than Itachi or himself. BECAUSE HE HAS NO KNOWLEDGE OF HIS POWERS. </p><p>Again. You don't know what Databook stats are. So far I haven't mentioned one Databook stat, so I don't know why you are seeing things lol. </p><p>Itachi: Ninjutsu- 5 | Taijutsu- 4.5 | Genjutsu- 5 | Intelligence- 5 | Strength- 3.5 | Speed- 5 | Stamina- 2.5 | Hand Seals- 5 </p><p>Those are Databook stats. Stop acting like you don't know what they are, no one is that dumb. The stats in the Databook cannot be used, but you can use the Databook which means you can use Jutsu listing cause it's not under stats. If we can't use the Databook, have the maker of the thread change it from /Databook STATS/ to /Databook/. Until then Sasuke doesn't have Izanagi due to the /Databook/ not /stats/. </p><p>Side note: Doesn't matter if Itachi told him. He hasn't used Izanagi and Kishimoto hasn't stated he can use it. If he did have it, he would of used it when Madara almost killed him before being saved by Kabuto. </p>

unless koto is restricted shisui wins.