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<p>No Kamikaze (Since I think C0 would make it a tie )
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<p>Keeptfighting wrote:
Kisame can be sensed, his and Samehada's Chakra Signature are only identical due to there long partnership. Even with the Water Prison Shark Dance Technique, he has to capture Deidara in it, before becoming effectiv. Deidara is a pure long-range fighter with the ability to fly with his clay, which makes it difficult for Kisame to reach him and capture him in said jutsu. I am still with Deidara wins
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<p>Deidara sensing Kisame doesn't stop him from drowning. If he flies up to avoid the water, Kisame can simply stand on top of the water and launch another attack. </p>
<p>Deidara sensing Kisame doesn't stop him from drowning. If he flies up to avoid the water, Kisame can simply stand on top of the water and launch another attack. </p>
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<p>Keeptfighting wrote:
Deidara also has the ability to move underground, he could place them himself.
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<p>Well, Kisame is also able to move underground, so it's pretty dangerous for Deidara to go there, it's a perfect place for Kisame to go on with the close range moves, which aren't Deidara's speciality, if he wants to win this battle, he must keep distance. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Keeptfighting wrote: Kisame can be sensed, his and Samehada's Chakra Signature are only identical due to there long partnership. Even with the Water Prison Shark Dance Technique, he has to capture Deidara in it, before becoming effectiv. Deidara is a pure long-range fighter with the ability to fly with his clay, which makes it difficult for Kisame to reach him and capture him in said jutsu. I am still with Deidara wins </p> </i></div>
<p>Indeed. Yeah, Deidara is a bit dump, but not dump enough to make some stupid moves in the serious battles like this. As I already said, if he keeps the distance, the odds are on his side. But for me the main question is if Samehada can absorb clay explosions or not. If it cannot, Kisame'd be blown apart relatively quick. If it can, that still would be pretty exciting battle, although with Deidara having most of the benefits. He keeps distance => attacks with his clay bombs or neutralises Kisame's Shark Bomb techniques with them => anyway gets the perfect chances for the victory. The only problem I see for him is his clay supply (he'd just run out of amunition if the reserves are not enough). </p>
<p>Well, Kisame is also able to move underground, so it's pretty dangerous for Deidara to go there, it's a perfect place for Kisame to go on with the close range moves, which aren't Deidara's speciality, if he wants to win this battle, he must keep distance. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Keeptfighting wrote: Kisame can be sensed, his and Samehada's Chakra Signature are only identical due to there long partnership. Even with the Water Prison Shark Dance Technique, he has to capture Deidara in it, before becoming effectiv. Deidara is a pure long-range fighter with the ability to fly with his clay, which makes it difficult for Kisame to reach him and capture him in said jutsu. I am still with Deidara wins </p> </i></div>
<p>Indeed. Yeah, Deidara is a bit dump, but not dump enough to make some stupid moves in the serious battles like this. As I already said, if he keeps the distance, the odds are on his side. But for me the main question is if Samehada can absorb clay explosions or not. If it cannot, Kisame'd be blown apart relatively quick. If it can, that still would be pretty exciting battle, although with Deidara having most of the benefits. He keeps distance => attacks with his clay bombs or neutralises Kisame's Shark Bomb techniques with them => anyway gets the perfect chances for the victory. The only problem I see for him is his clay supply (he'd just run out of amunition if the reserves are not enough). </p>
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<p>Keeptfighting wrote:
Kisame can be sensed, his and Samehada's Chakra Signature are only identical due to there long partnership. Even with the Water Prison Shark Dance Technique, he has to capture Deidara in it, before becoming effectiv. Deidara is a pure long-range fighter with the ability to fly with his clay, which makes it difficult for Kisame to reach him and capture him in said jutsu. I am still with Deidara wins
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<p>Deidara sensing Kisame doesn't stop him from drowning. If he flies up to avoid the water, Kisame can simply stand on top of the water and launch another attack. </p> </div> <p>Anyway as long as Deidara is OUTSIDE the Prison, which is most likely due to his long-range fighting style, Kisame has to bring Deidara in close-range for the Prison to capture him. Deidara can fly and throw and guide bombs at Kisame, how is Kisame supposed to get even near Deidara? </p>
<p>Deidara sensing Kisame doesn't stop him from drowning. If he flies up to avoid the water, Kisame can simply stand on top of the water and launch another attack. </p> </div> <p>Anyway as long as Deidara is OUTSIDE the Prison, which is most likely due to his long-range fighting style, Kisame has to bring Deidara in close-range for the Prison to capture him. Deidara can fly and throw and guide bombs at Kisame, how is Kisame supposed to get even near Deidara? </p>
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<p>@Keeptfighting actually it is not likely due to how big the prison is. Unless my man Dei is hundreds of miles away then he stands no chance as well as Kisame moves extremely fast in the water and the prison follows him. Also it was stated that when Samehada and Kisame merge they cannot be sensed, please refer to Kisame's and Samehada's wiki page and look for the chapter links. So again i think you all underestimate Kisame who knows Dei's fighting style which could be the same for Dei. I could see Dei trying to get distance by summoning his clay bird and trying to fly however i could also see Kisame being smart enough to use his wave then form the prison before Dei has enough distance to beat him Kisame is not an idiot and has the higher advantage in this fight. His Clay bird is not that fast unlike the wave that Kisame conjures.
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Mayve Deidara will explode himself and Kisame with him
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<p>Rinne tskuyomi wrote:
Mayve Deidara will explode himself and Kisame with him
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<p>As Ishi said, no kamikaze attacks. </p>
<p>As Ishi said, no kamikaze attacks. </p>
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<p>Any ninjutsu technique with chakra will be absorbed... He will have unlimited chakra and means to heal any wound. I do not see how Deidara could win while he has Samehada. To Kisame, Deidara is a goofball that almost killed himself. Diedara would not have enough chakra to even compete with Kisame so I am sure he would not use all his chakra at once to just lose immediately
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<p>Lion chakra wrote:
Any ninjutsu technique with chakra will be absorbed....
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<p>Samehada can only absorb chakra from individual or things infused with the stuff. It can't absorb nature-based ninjutsu, only blocks it </p>
<p>Samehada can only absorb chakra from individual or things infused with the stuff. It can't absorb nature-based ninjutsu, only blocks it </p>
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<p>Finally some people who see Deidara as a strong ninja @Ravenlot 27 & @keeptfighting
</p><p>Clearing some things UP:
Samehada can't absorb Ninjutsu. AND I QUOTE (I'm not angry, I'm just Michael Cole) "However, it seems to be unable to automatically absorb ambient chakra, as in all instances where it has absorbed chakra are when either the opponent had a visible aura around them or when direct physical contact had already been established"
</p><p>Water Release: Great Exploding Water Colliding Wave is clearly very big but in the anime its shown to appear bigger than the manga and it's causing some misinterpretations.
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<p>LoneNinja wrote:
Unless my man Dei is hundreds of miles away then he stands no chance as well as Kisame moves extremely fast in the water and the prison follows him.
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<p>I think Deidara can escape it since in the time Kisame would be doing it Deidara would be in the air already not like when he fought Bee and he was right next to him with full chakra if not more. Deidara's clay birds have been shown to be fast and Kisame's gonna be stationary. </p><p>If Kisame stands on the Water Release: Great Exploding Water Colliding Wave wouldn't the thing burst since he has to be at the center. And even if Kisame launches himself with Water Release: Water Shark Bullet Technique he's still vulnerable and even though it was anime only when Itachi fought Kisame, he used paper bombs to dispel them. </p><p>I've said that Kisame will have a hard time dealing with C4 before and not a lot of people haven't been talking about it but a big problem for Deidara is how he'll deal with Water Release: Great Shark Bullet Technique. Intially I said it was his best option against C4 since if Kisame would know what Deidara is up to then he'll need to counter it. Water Release: Great Shark Bullet Technique can absorb Deidara's C4 but there are a few things to consider; </p><p>Firstly, If GSBT is bigger than C4 karura and either can make there's bigger. Since Kisame has more chakra if he can then his will probably be bigger given if he can absorb the whole thing since he can't see them and C4 karura bombs are microscopic and could Samehada sense them since its been refered that it is a semi-sensor. </p><p>Secondly, is the explosion part of Deidara's clay ninjutsu or the clay itself because if Kisame comes at Deidara with GSBT then couldn't he send a C3 down to explode in its face or will GSBT gobble it up before it can explode. </p><p>Thirdly, If GSBT does gobble the clay can Deidara make the clay explode inside it? </p><p>I think this is definitely C4 Karura vs Water Release: Great Shark Bullet Technique. Overall, I think the explosion part isn't Ninjutsu so Deidara could blow it up with C3 or something else then Kisame gets done by C4 considering Kisame doesn't have much to deal with it because he has to reply on three maybe possibilities. Maybe he will know Deidara is going to use C$. Maybe he'll know the exact area of C4 blast radius. Maybe GSBT will absorb all the microscopic bugs and Samehada will sense outliers. I think Kisame is a very strong ninja, but this might just be a mismatch like with guy. </p><p>EDIT: I just realized Kisame could hide underground to avoid C4. C0 himself </p><p>EDIT 2: I've been reanimated don't worry. If Kisame goes underground, will Deidara have time to make a C3 and use it to blow up the ground or will Kisame pop back out and escape it? </p>
<p>I think Deidara can escape it since in the time Kisame would be doing it Deidara would be in the air already not like when he fought Bee and he was right next to him with full chakra if not more. Deidara's clay birds have been shown to be fast and Kisame's gonna be stationary. </p><p>If Kisame stands on the Water Release: Great Exploding Water Colliding Wave wouldn't the thing burst since he has to be at the center. And even if Kisame launches himself with Water Release: Water Shark Bullet Technique he's still vulnerable and even though it was anime only when Itachi fought Kisame, he used paper bombs to dispel them. </p><p>I've said that Kisame will have a hard time dealing with C4 before and not a lot of people haven't been talking about it but a big problem for Deidara is how he'll deal with Water Release: Great Shark Bullet Technique. Intially I said it was his best option against C4 since if Kisame would know what Deidara is up to then he'll need to counter it. Water Release: Great Shark Bullet Technique can absorb Deidara's C4 but there are a few things to consider; </p><p>Firstly, If GSBT is bigger than C4 karura and either can make there's bigger. Since Kisame has more chakra if he can then his will probably be bigger given if he can absorb the whole thing since he can't see them and C4 karura bombs are microscopic and could Samehada sense them since its been refered that it is a semi-sensor. </p><p>Secondly, is the explosion part of Deidara's clay ninjutsu or the clay itself because if Kisame comes at Deidara with GSBT then couldn't he send a C3 down to explode in its face or will GSBT gobble it up before it can explode. </p><p>Thirdly, If GSBT does gobble the clay can Deidara make the clay explode inside it? </p><p>I think this is definitely C4 Karura vs Water Release: Great Shark Bullet Technique. Overall, I think the explosion part isn't Ninjutsu so Deidara could blow it up with C3 or something else then Kisame gets done by C4 considering Kisame doesn't have much to deal with it because he has to reply on three maybe possibilities. Maybe he will know Deidara is going to use C$. Maybe he'll know the exact area of C4 blast radius. Maybe GSBT will absorb all the microscopic bugs and Samehada will sense outliers. I think Kisame is a very strong ninja, but this might just be a mismatch like with guy. </p><p>EDIT: I just realized Kisame could hide underground to avoid C4. C0 himself </p><p>EDIT 2: I've been reanimated don't worry. If Kisame goes underground, will Deidara have time to make a C3 and use it to blow up the ground or will Kisame pop back out and escape it? </p>
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<p>@Ishi208, dont forget about the landmines so Kisame has not really the freedom when using his jutsu
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