<div class="quote"><i> <p>GreatestSin wrote: ^why not vanishing rasengan? </p><p>sharingan allows to see chakra as a color, that means that its "invisibility" shouldnt bother her much right? </p> </i></div>
<p>This is correct but the vanishing Rasengan is similiar to the wind release Rasengan, the highest level of shape manipulation and nature transformation which is difficult to combine and even a Sharingan will have trouble to copy it, especially in the middle of a fight and don't forget that her Sharingan has only one tomoe, that means the abilities are weaker than the three tomoe version. </p><p>That Jutsu was named "Vanishing Rasengan" because its actually vanish, it doesnt exist anymore and so it can't be seen even when the eyes are able to see chakra color. Thats why Momoshikis Byakugan and Rinnegan wasnt able to see it after it vanish. That thing what hits the target afterwards is a strong (but not through chakra created) wind. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Narutodd wrote: they dont know how to throw the rasenshuriken at the velocity as naruto can </p> </i></div>
<p>I wouldn't expect them to be able to throw it at all. since Naruto only learnt to do that through sage mode. </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>GodlyHades wrote: I'll tell why it's not possible: </p><p>> The skill required to even make the Rasen Shuriken is limited to a certain extent of shinobi. Only those who are skilled enough. I would say Uchiha's like Sasuke, Itachi, and Madara would be capable. </p><p>> Throwing the Rasen Shuriken takes skill, which Naruto can only do with Sage Mode (or after he was Rikudou enhanced, which allowed him to do in Base). Reminder that throwing the Rasen Shuriken outside of Base for non-Rikudou like characters would harm their chakra systems too. </p><p>You have to remember what Kakashi said during the FRS Arc. The jutsu is too powerful. No mere regular person could do it before, even two Geniuses Kakashi and Minato. Naruto trained ridulcously hard to pull it off, even having to use clones to increase his training. At some point he had to stop because he deemed it impossible. Naruto said, "It was like looking right and left at the same time" -- Which is why Kakashi deemed that he should try evening out each process with clones. </p><p>Even then it still took time to mature itself out and form. We've seen Uchiha's copy Ninjutsu before, but it hasn't been on spectacular levels like S Rank. </p> </i></div>
<p>> I'll grant you this one, I'd forgotten that apparently it was ridiculously hard to add wind nature to a rasengan. But if an Uchiha is able to copy it, the major problem I see them having is not having the chakra reserves to perform it. </p><p>> I wouldn't expect anyone who can't enter sage mode to throw it. </p><p>True but the <i>only</i> reason it didn't take Naruto like 10 years was because he could literally throw hundreds of shadow clones at the problem. If Minato could do that, I'm pretty sure he would have figured it out in about 5 minutes. Well not literally 5 minutes but you get my point. The sharingan's copying ability simply skips all the training necessary to learn it. The only criteria is that the shinobi needs the ability to perform it. As for what the sharingan can copy, we haven't seen too many examples of jutsu being copied. We didn't even get to see Kakashi's '1000 jutsu' that he'd copied. Until we get some more information on the copying ability, it's fair to assume there is no upper limit on what it can copy, in my opinion at least. </p><p>As some famous person said - "Proof of absence is not absence of proof." </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Keeptfighting wrote: </p> This is correct but the vanishing Rasengan is similiar to the wind release Rasengan, the highest level of shape manipulation and nature transformation which is difficult to combine and even a Sharingan will have trouble to copy it, especially in the middle of a fight and don't forget that her Sharingan has only one tomoe, that means the abilities are weaker than the three tomoe version.</i></div>
<p>yeah, the jutsu is really high-lvl but if she has total mastery over chakra shape and nature transformation i think it would be possible, of course the sharingans need to be stronger too ^_^ </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Keeptfighting wrote: That Jutsu was named "Vanishing Rasengan" because its actually vanish, it doesnt exist anymore and so it can't be seen even when the eyes are able to see chakra color. Thats why Momoshikis Byakugan and Rinnegan wasnt able to see it after it vanish. That thing what hits the target afterwards is a strong (but not through chakra created) wind. </p> </i></div>
<p>ah, if the jutsu works that way than it could only be copied while it is created ^_^ </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>GreatestSin wrote: yeah, the jutsu is really high-lvl but if she has total mastery over chakra shape and nature transformation i think it would be possible, of course the sharingans need to be stronger too </p> </i></div>
<p>Jutsu are copied because the Sharingan gives insight into how it works, it decodes the hand signs and it sees chakra so it is most definitely possible to copy any jutsu. The only reason it cannot copy Kekkei Genkai is because if you don't possess the ability yourself, you can't reproduce the effect since you're *physically* unable to do so. In Part I kakashi trained Sasuke to be strong enough to make full use of the Sharingan. he could decode Lee's movements but could not stop them because he wasn't fast enough. </p><p>Therefore, a Sharingan can copy any jutsu provided that the user would normally be able to use it themselves. Rasenshuriken can thus not be copied by any normal ninja. Naruto could pull it off twice (three times against Kakuzu). if we go by Kakashi's statements, that means each Rasenshuriken would be equivalent to about twice kakashi's entire reserve. Any non-kage level Shinobi would literally die from casting this jutsu. </p><p>Sasuke was able to discern the true nature of the Vanishing Rasengan, therefore it is possible to see it even when it vanishes. Momoshiki believed that Boruto's rasengan vanished because it failed, and did not expect it to actually hit. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Thekillman wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>GreatestSin wrote: yeah, the jutsu is really high-lvl but if she has total mastery over chakra shape and nature transformation i think it would be possible, of course the sharingans need to be stronger too </p> </i></div>
<p>Jutsu are copied because the Sharingan gives insight into how it works, it decodes the hand signs and it sees chakra so it is most definitely possible to copy any jutsu. The only reason it cannot copy Kekkei Genkai is because if you don't possess the ability yourself, you can't reproduce the effect since you're *physically* unable to do so. In Part I kakashi trained Sasuke to be strong enough to make full use of the Sharingan. he could decode Lee's movements but could not stop them because he wasn't fast enough. </p><p>Therefore, a Sharingan can copy any jutsu provided that the user would normally be able to use it themselves. Rasenshuriken can thus not be copied by any normal ninja. Naruto could pull it off twice (three times against Kakuzu). if we go by Kakashi's statements, that means each Rasenshuriken would be equivalent to about twice kakashi's entire reserve. Any non-kage level Shinobi would literally die from casting this jutsu. </p><p>Sasuke was able to discern the true nature of the Vanishing Rasengan, therefore it is possible to see it even when it vanishes. Momoshiki believed that Boruto's rasengan vanished because it failed, and did not expect it to actually hit. </p> </div> <p>He couldnt see the mini-rasengan after it vanished, just saw what happened to the tree seconds afterwards. :) </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Keeptfighting wrote: He couldnt see the mini-rasengan after it vanished, just saw what happened to the tree seconds afterwards. :) </p> </i></div>
<p>I havent seen the movie, but in the Novelization Sasuke realizes the real nature of the vanishing rasengan and protects sarada, the tree explodes like a second later. </p>

Is the novel canon like the movie? o:

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Keeptfighting wrote: Is the novel canon like the movie? o: </p> </i></div>
<p>It should be. I haven't watched the movie so i can't judge if it's incorrect on this. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Thekillman wrote: I havent seen the movie, but in the Novelization Sasuke realizes the real nature of the vanishing rasengan and protects sarada, the tree explodes like a second later. </p> </i></div>
<p>I've seen the movie and it's just like what Keeptfighting said. People don't need to see the Vanishing Rasengan in order to avoid, they can just predict where it's going </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>UltimaDude wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>Thekillman wrote: I havent seen the movie, but in the Novelization Sasuke realizes the real nature of the vanishing rasengan and protects sarada, the tree explodes like a second later. </p> </i></div>
<p>I've seen the movie and it's just like what Keeptfighting said. People don't need to see the Vanishing Rasengan in order to avoid, they can just predict where it's going </p> </div> <p>Opponents who dont move got hit by it, like the tree which couldnt move. But back to being cereal, the case with Momoshiki, who doesnt knew that jutsu, thought it failed and got surprised attacked. Still... poor tree ._. DAMN YOU BORUTO! </p>