<p>@Rachin look at every Demonic Illusion in Itachis arsenal, they all state it doesn't require eye contact. Not just that one. </p>

<p>Well lets see Shishi </p><p>1. Demonic Illusion Crows: The only one I believe will work well but Itachi won't be able to harm him and using the Totsuka Blade is a last resort. I'm sure the 3rd Raikage would gave already figured out it was a genjutsu and break or he might get broken out of it by Itachi's jutsus. Even if Itachi's attacks does nothing to the Raikage but knock him to the floor, that can get him out. </p><p>2. Demonic Illusion Heaven and Earth Change: A jutsu that can only be used when genjutsu is used on him so it's useless here. </p><p>3. Demonic Illusion Shackling Stakes Technique: Highly doubt this will work when Itachi will not be abke to catch the 3rd Raikage with eye contact with his speed. </p>

<p>well itachi doesn't need to catch him, as far as I remember that raikage isn't very intelligent, if he burns his Susanoo armor from outside with amaterasu and definitely this guy would go for kill he will surely die from the burns caused by Amaterasu also once he starts burning he won't move because of pain than he can start using genjutsu after extinguishing the flames. also he can burn nearby area completely with Amaterasu and wait for the raikage(in Susanoo) to attack once he comes he can just catch that guy before/immediate after the attack and throw him there. either way raikage would lose </p>

<p>@Namikaze Says what proof. The Third Raikage hasn't shown to be unintelligent. He's not like his son who is pretty reckless. Once again Itachi doesn't have have Kagutsuchi so no cladding his Susanoo with Amaterasu. Also, when the 3rd Raikage's arm was burned it did no damage immediately, ge didn't even feel it but knew that keeping it on will mean spreading and eventual pain so he chopped it off and that didn't even harm him. So the Amaterasu even if it somehow hit the 3rd Raikage, it isn't harming him any time soon with his durability. Also, Itachi would want to extinguish Amaterasu for his own safety as the 3rd Raikage can cause his Susanoo to catch ablaze or himself. </p>

<p>So let me get this straight. Is the third raikage suddenly this perfectly infallible person because he can't be touched due to his " overwhelming speed" and the the fact thathe has his " invincible shield". So he can dodge every and any attack and also block any and every attack too for eternity?Because I'm just gonna point that by this logic, he is invincible against any opponent. First off, there isn't even much evidence he is as fast as his son. The only people he blitzed successfully were fodder, and anyone can blitz those. The third raikage was known in particular for his shield and spear, not for immense speed. His son never attribute d him as the fastest one around. The third raikage still is extremely fast of course, but his speed is being overhyped. Secondly, I knew you guys would reference him making amaterasu a non factor in a situation where his son saw the technique coming. Sasuke was dumb enough to open with amaterasu knowing the raikage was looking right in his eyes and it was obvious it was coming. When you are facing a speedy opponent, the point is to either use an area of effect attack or hit him with an attack he doesn't see coming. Sasuke didnt even make a distraction, he just assumed he was gonna solo a kage level shinobi with one obvious attack. First of all, itachi doesn't use amaterasu as his go to technique, and his fighting style is different and more subtle. He isn't gonna use amaterasu in a situation when he knows the raikage sees it coming and will casually dodge. Like I said, since some of you insist he will open with a blitz, the fight ends pretty quickly as he blitzes top speed into great clone explosion, in which he becomes disoriented. And with that distraction, he will be nice and still for an amaterasu to the face /head, which the raiton armor was proven not to protect against. He will suffer from burning eyes, head, throat, etc, so he won't be fighting anymore. And Secondly, even when blitzing at top speed, the 4th raikage slowed down for a moment when sasuke threatened him with a dangerous attack. And in that moment, he isn't moving at blinding speed, and can be caught by any genjutsu of itachi's choice. Itachi doesnt use ephemeral " often" because he has a wide variety of genjustu to choose from. The only fights we have seen itachi go all out in he used regular genjustu or tsyukyomi because that sufficed for the situation. So itachi just needs to threaten raikage with a dangerous attack to make him hesitate, and then from there it's over. </p>

<p>@MIGshinobi The 3rd won't get hurt by the Clone Great Explosion. If he can tank a Rasenshuriken, which already powerful on its on and being his nature weakness than, an explosion that was so close to Itachi and the Konoha-nin and yet weren't pushed back by the explosion or hurt by the sound of the boom, it is not that strong. Also, while it isn't said, it is hinted that the 4th is faster than the 3rd but the fact is the 3rd was was able to dodge attacks of great speed at point-blank range, that is fact. If anybody's speed is overhyped, it's Itachi. Itachi is not faster than the 3rd that is a fact nor is he on his level of speed. Itachi is fast though and distance will be Itachi's best option. And using Amaterasu to face, classic never done it, why do it now move. The only option for Itachi is genjutsu and the eye contact will be difficult for him to achieve so his only best one will be Ephemeral or Demonic Illusions Crows Technique, mind you these are average at best genjutsus, and what will Itachi do from there, because A's armor will still be on. And time is of the esscence. Let me guess, Amaterasu, sure that'd work but lets say A figures the genjutsu out and breaks it and attacks Itachi clad in black flames which won't work well in Itachi's favor. It won't be easy to make a Guy who took on the 8-Tails and 1000 shinobi hesitate. The odds roll more in A's favor than Itachi sorry to say. If you don't see that than well farewell to you sir. </p>

<p>See I never said great explosion would hurt him, so first misconception. I said it would disorient him. I don't care how strong his armor he is still hit with an explosion at point blank range right in his face. He will be blinded by the debris and he no longer knows where itachi is and his mind will be off center. Secondly, kakashi ran off with kurenai and got a head start, and it's also important to note the explosion happened in water, meaning most of the energy was used to create the tidal wave and less to actually blow kakashi to bits. Even then, kakashi was visibly hurt by it and had black marks all over his back. So at minimum, it will just disorient the raikage, which all itachi needs as a distraction to land amatersau or tsyukyomi. Regarding rasenshuriken, the elemental advantage is good and all but raikage is still wearing armor and he also was incapacitated for brief moment before getting up. Im pretty sure that was because of edo tensi </p><p>Amaterasu to the face used on gyuki by sasuke. Itachi has never used amaterasu to the face because it was never necessary. Look at his fights. In part one vs kakashi he is a pacifist and a spy for konoha, he used tsyukyomi instead of amaterasu to break kakashi's will without killing him, kakashi admits this. In his fights with deidara and orochimaru, one genjustu , his regukar sharingan one at that, was all that was necessary. In part 2 , he held back vs team chiyo, held back versus sasuke, amaterasu was useless on nagato, and he held back against kabuto too, so there is the reason he didn't use amaterasu to the face. </p><p>I don't buy itachi's genjustu being average when he is the second best specialist in the series. The 4th raikage couldn't even break madara's genjustu and his raiton armor shut off iirc, and naruto who has massive chakra reserves couldn't break ephemeral. In addition, I haven't even accounted for susanoo yet. The 4th raikage needed two powerful hits on the lowest stage if he wanted to kill sasuke. Also, that susanoo didn't have arms. So sasuke could have have grabbed him with the sussano arm if he had it at the time when raikage hesitated, just like madara did to the raikage. And yes, the raikage who had bijuu levels of chakra hesitated to a deadly attack. The 1000 shinobi cop out doesn't sit well with me, hebi sasuke did that. And I'm sure people like hashriama tobirama, minato and even madara could do that with ease. What the third raikage did was definitely a feat, but it was more so a feat of stamina since he did it without the pill enhancer. And I'm pretty sure itachi can beat gyuki as it is a rather large target for the totsuka blade. Im sure the third raikage can do massive damage to susanoo but I highly doubt it's enough to tip the battle that much in raikage's favor. </p><p>And yea I agree that raikage can evade attacks all day long but if he is doing that itachi has no reason to do anything. Once the third raikage takes initiative inthe fight and take s things to itachi he becomes vulnerable just like anyone else. In short, I dont like the amount of free wins that are handed to the raikage simply because of speed. We all know speed is not the most determing factor in a fight, ask rock lee after his battle with gaara. </p>

<p>@MIGshinobi First off the explosion happened on top of water, not in water. And I don't recall any harm came to Itachi either who was a few feet from the clone. If the 3rd Raikage can not be disoriented by the explosion of the Rasenshuriken, than he ain't getting disoriented by that small ass explosion. The 3rd Raikage was not incapacitated for any moment. He got hit, the attack exploded and got right back up. </p><p>Actually Amaterasu worked on Nagato though until he pushed the flames off and yet he didn't shoot the Amaterasu at his face but his torso. Nagato wasn't expecting the attack. What was stopping Itachi from shooting it at his face? It sure would have helped to get rid of the Rinnegan quickly. </p><p>I never said Itachi's genjutsu is average, I said those ones specifically not requiring eye contact are because if that was the case, he would use those more often than Genjutsu: Sharingan. Please get your facts straight. Also, the 4th Raikage is not the 3rd Raikage either. Also, the 3rd Raikage's strength is way more powerful than the 4th. But while we are on the subject, the 4th Raikage was able to break the side of Sasuke's ribcage Susanoo with a simple chop. "Sasuke could've created an arm to grab the 4th Raikage", but he didn't, because he was too busy trying to find him and wincing in pain from overusing his MS. He'd most likely dodge the arm anyways like he did that lotus attack by Jūgo at point-blank range. I never said the 3rd won't get hesitated but it would be hard to given who has dealt with, facing 1000 shinobi and the 8-Tails itself. </p><p>Itachi also doesn't have high chakra reserves like the 3rd so by your statement, A dodging "all day" is totally fine but Itachi can't go on for a day, shoot he can't go on for an hour. And I never said speed is everything, but it is here and not to mention is high durability and high chakra reserves, while Itachi isn't so lucky. Gaara also couldn't touch Lee after his weights was off so speed definitely helped there and Lee practically destroyed Gaara in gates. Do you have anything else to say on the matter? </p>

<p>Itachi didnt get damaged maybe cause he is smart enough to stay away from the area of effect of his own technique? Maybe he used susanoo? You do realize that once the huge volume of water went up we dont see what is happening on itachi's side of the water? And yes they were stand ing on top of the water and the explosion created a large waterfall due to physics and still harmed kakashi. And like I said, the raikage is still getting disoriented because he ran into a bomb and debris will be in his face. </p><p>
Yea except nagato is an edo tensi and amaterasu was irrelevant, the eyes would just grow back just like the rest of his torso did... in fact itachi using amaterasu in that situation was plot armor for nagato, itachi could have just sealed him with totsuka blade as he knows edo tensi are immortal. In a real fight with no edo tensi and no plot induced stupidity itachi is smart enough to aim amaterasu at his opponent's face. </p><p>The third raikage did not get right back up as the alliance joyed with Victory, then sent the sealing papers, and then he pushed it off and got back up. And that could have been due to edo tensi. </p><p>Like I said itachi has a wide variety of genjustu to choose from. He used what was necessary for the situation and in most of his battle he wasn't even going all out, so I don't see how that's evidence of anything. None of itachi's genjustu are average as otherwise Ao wouldn't say that itachi was the only one capable of keeping people in regular genjustu outside the range of sensors. And no one has canonical ly broken any of his genjustu without help except for sasuke. </p><p>Except sasuke could not form limbs in his susanoo during his battle with raikage. That came when he unlocked the next stage of susanoo. And no madara was able to grab raikage with his susanoo arm in close range while the raikage got distracted. And sasuke didnt need to find him because that was obvious once raikage was in close range, and sasuke was able to delay his attack. It didn't Amount to much, but if we replace sasuke with itachi in that situation then he would have just used tsyukyomi when they briefly made eye contact, which would be gg. The third raikage is stronger but there is no evidence of how well he would fair against advanced stages of susanoo. The 4th raikage broke a rib and he didn't breach susanoo , he most likely cracked it and when sasuke falls down there is no indication it was completely broken. Yea except Guy sensi had to save rock lee's life. Rock lee 's speed is more dangerous than the raikage because he actually has sharp taijutsu proficiency and can change direction easily. The third raikage travels in a straight line overextending his spear. Naruto simply side stepped and there was nothing the raikage could do and he was punished for overextending.And even Mr. Rubber effectively countered the third raikage's blitz and distracted him for a while. If he can do that so can itachi, and itachi actually has the fire power to take down the raikage to back it up. Gaara couldn't tag lee but he used his sand and his sand armor to help tank the hits even though the sand wasn't keeping up. It became a battle of endurance and lee lost, and gaara won. My point with that example is that rock lee's superior speed was moot in the end. </p><p>I know itachi has way less stamina, but if Raikage is just playing the game of solely dodging attacks itachi can just stop attacking and let the raikage take initative. Once raikage gets in close range he isn't dodging attacks as effectively and has to deal with susanoo and itachi's other diversions. And since itachi verfiably has two one shot kill techniques in amaterasu and tsyukyomi, he only needs to land one to win, so it won't be a battle of stamina. secondly, raikage can only dodge attacks he sees coming, and he can only dodge attacks that don't have a high area of effect, I.e if there is no where to run you could have all the speed in the world but it won't matter, and he can only dodge attacks if he is physically capable of doing so. That's how naruto landed rasenshuriken on him in the first place,using misdirection and forcing raikage to get stuck in mid air. This idea that the raikage is untouchable has got to stop. And I like how you guys are assuming the raikage will open with blistering speed. His son, the only decent reference point we have for the third since we have barely seen the third in action, didn't even initially blitz sasuke at top speed. He charged with regular speed, sasuke dodged his elbow causing raikage to tank chidori, and go for liger bomb. So the idea that he is gonna be " too fast" to get caught in genjustu or get hit with other attacks at all times is also a myth. </p>

<p>@MIGshinobi Despite the example I just gave you on the 3rd Raikage enduring a far more powerful attack, you ignore it, wow just wow. It is obvious striking speed is different than running speed. The 4th Raikage's speed of movement had shown to be far more superior than his striking speed. While the 3rd hasn't shown any real speed feats, his reaction speed is top notch. Also, you realize Naruto had Sage Mode which uped his reflexes and had Danger Perception. Itachi had the Sharingan and yet even Sasuke couldn't track the 4th Raikage until he reappeared to attack. Naruto also had a mode that gave him a boost in skills so trying to compare that Itachi is ridiculous. Nobody said Itachi wouldn't catch him in genjutsu or that he'd straight up blitz Itachi, you are just taking it that way because you are bent on Itachi winning. </p>