<p>@MIGshinobi </p><p>Actually, you can't just disregard Itachi not being able to weave signs and dodge a fuma shuriken, that is evidence of a limit to his hand sign speed. I meant that Itachi can't dodge a ranged lighting technique, which the Third has. If you are implying that the Third's black lightning is slower than Kirin lightning, please provide evidence. Itachi won't risk losing sight of the Raikage, since he would be already be hard to track. I'll say it again, it matters more that Itachi can't see, since he relies on the Sharingan as the core of his abilities, example; if he can't see the Raikage he can't predict the Raikage's attack and counter it. </p><p>Battle experience == wisdom. Why do you say otherwise? </p>

<p>all right guys I get that the raikage is highly durable but what about sharingan keeping up with raikage (the first argument I gave)?also what would happen if the 3rd gets hit by a water jutsu? will he get electrocuted by his own armor of lightning or whatever? also neither is their any evidence that the raikage can break itachi' Susanoo completely! also it won't be first time that he is fighting a fast opponent, he could fight shisui to stalemate too.so that speed factor won't give decisive advantage in this context </p>

<p>Itachi actually wins this handily . Itachi has amazing observation skills and definitely WILL be able to find out the 3rd raikages weak spot like naruto did . Once that is established , a small genjutsu and an attack to that area would result in a victory for itachi . </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Ninja Of War wrote: @MIGshinobi </p><p>Actually, you can't just disregard Itachi not being able to weave signs and dodge a fuma shuriken, that is evidence of a limit to his hand sign speed. I meant that Itachi can't dodge a ranged lighting technique, which the Third has. If you are implying that the Third's black lightning is slower than Kirin lightning, please provide evidence. Itachi won't risk losing sight of the Raikage, since he would be already be hard to track. I'll say it again, it matters more that Itachi can't see, since he relies on the Sharingan as the core of his abilities, example; if he can see the Raikage he can't predict the Raikage's attack and counter it. </p><p>Battle experience == wisdom. Why do you say otherwise? </p> </i></div>
<p>Like I said, even black zetsu said that itachi should have been able to outpace that shuriken, it wss because that was sick itach. This is prime itachi, not sick itachi. By your logic all lighting style users withnranged attacka are undodgebable. Black zetsu clearly said kirn was undodgebable because it hits the ground in 1/1000 second sin ce it's REAL LIGHTNING. By your logic no one should be able to dodge kakashi's lightning dog. </p><p>Battle experience isn't battle wisdom. Wisdom is your ability to decipher things you have no prioer knowledge on. Itachi figuring out the weaknesse of chibaku tensi was a feat of wisdom, and he had the wisdom of a hikage at age 7. Battle experience is your ability to react to things based on similar things you have seen before. Plus you still haven't proven that the raikage has more battle experience, nor have you shown me references for him being smarter than itachi. Your smoke bomb argument doesnt hold water because sharingan kakashi has used smoke bombs against his opponent without a problem. Like I said , it was v2 4th raikage who couldn't be tracked at top speed, the 3rd has show n no such abilities, and the raikage s have been touched by slower opponents and have been caught in genjustu. </p>

<p>@MIGshinobi </p><p>Actually, since you stated that the Third has an "average mind" you have to provide evidence. My evidence is that the Third is a kage, and kage have kage-level intelligence. Or are you implying that kage have "average minds" aswell? Again, if you are implying that black lightning is slower than kirin lightning, please give evidence. </p><p>Battle experience == wisdom(in battle). Learning from combat is a vital to being a shinobi. Otherwise, Naruto would have never defeated Kakuza or a few peins. The Third fought 10000 shinobi in three days, that's a little bit more battle experience than most shinobi get in there entire lives, and that was just one battle. I don't know why you are talking about Kakashi and why he used smoke bombs. I'm talking about Itachi and why smoke bombs would hurt him, rather than help him. </p>

<p>Next you will be telling me the third is smarter than tobirama. Look , the raikage has no intelligence feats or hype, so he is an average mind, it's that simple. Kirin is real lighting and black lighning isn't its a chakra based attack, so its dodgeable. Except kakazu had 100 years batt le experience whereas naruto was a 17 year old. Naruto was smarter than kakazu despite being far less experienced. Under your logic your grandama is automatically smarter than you just because she lived longer. You really think itachi hasn't fought more than 10, 000 shinobi in his lifetime? He was in anbu since 13. Battle experience is simply learning from combat while wisdom is solving problems you have no experience with. Battle experience and wisdom are quite the opposite. </p><p>I mentioned kakashi because he also relies on his sharingan and he still used a smoke bomb, so no itachi can use smoke bombs too. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>MlGshinobi wrote: kakazu had 100 years battle experience whereas naruto was a 17 year old. Naruto was smarter than kakazu despite being far less experienced. </p> </i></div>
<p>This is hilarious. </p>

<p>I'm sure it is, with that 100 years experience he couldn't see through the bunshin feint ? Right. </p>

<p>@MIGshinobi Oh please you know plot was the only reason Naruto outsmarted and defeated Kakuzu. </p>

<p>I agree it was plot that he was killed that fast, I mentioned it in another thread. Naruto should have needed more help to take him down, but plot or not it's not farfetched for him to be smarter. I'm just pointing out that experience =/= wisdom =/= intelligence. The 9 bijuu are at least 1000 years old and I don't see anyone calling them the smartest. I'm not saying the raikage is dumb, he obviously ewrned his title as raikage for a reason, but saying he is this intellectual being that rivals the masterminds and most brilliant people in naruto on a " kage level" intelligence cop out makes no sense for me. </p>