<div class="quote"><i> <p>BakumatsuWarrior wrote: A thread about smart shinobis but almost no mention of Tobirama? Really? Here's my list though, in no particular order: Black Zetsu, Tobirama, Madara, Itachi, Kakashi, Shikaku, Shikamaru. </p> </i></div>
<p>I mentioned tobirama as second smartest. </p><p>@Killman naruto definitely is really smart he showed his intelligence in the first battle with zabuza to rescue kakashi from the water prison, fooled kiba in the chunin exams, tricked neji wjth a bunshin, fooled kakazu, fooled the pains with transformation jutsu, understood and applied the principle s of wind release to make his rasenshuriken which minato couldn't do, learned rasengan in a week, and im sure there are few other s. However, I wouldn't say he is the smartest however, he does have many stupid moments and other people have slightly more impressive intelligence feats. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>MlGshinobi wrote: however, he does have many stupid moments and other people have slightly more impressive intelligence feats. </p> </i></div>
<p>Yea but considering he started about ten miles behind on everyone due to his shitty past, the fact that the Academy caters only to the analytical type (which Naruto isn't), no parents to teach him and everyone's attitude towards him making him a prankster in stead of a proper school attendee, id say he does pretty well. most of his stupidity comes from lack of knowledge, not so much lack of actual understanding. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Thekillman wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>MlGshinobi wrote: however, he does have many stupid moments and other people have slightly more impressive intelligence feats. </p> </i></div>
<p>Yea but considering he started about ten miles behind on everyone due to his shitty past, the fact that the Academy caters only to the analytical type (which Naruto isn't), no parents to teach him and everyone's attitude towards him making him a prankster in stead of a proper school attendee, id say he does pretty well. most of his stupidity comes from lack of knowledge, not so much lack of actual understanding. </p> </div> <p>I agree naruto 's slow start wasnt his fault. We see his intelligence from episode 1 when he learns the S rank shadow clone jutsu despite being called a failure. Don't think I underime his intelligence, id go as far to say he is smarter than kakashi because naruto uses his wits to best people he shouldnt be able to beat. Kakashi wins because he is better, but naruto just takes it a notch higher. But I can't say naruto is smarter than someone like tobirama who invented very complex jutsu from scratch when he wss almost always in battle. </p>

<p>@MlGShinobi, are you sure Kakashi doesn't win because he's intelligent as well? </p>

<p>Kakashi definitely wins because of his intelligence, sorry if I worded that wrong. But I think naruto does it on a higher level all though many might argue its only because of the plot, which I agree to an extent. But kakashi only uses his intelligence to beat people who are more or less on his level, zabuza is a prime example of that. In their first meeting, zabuza, despite kakashis intelligence tricked kakashi and got him in a water prison. At that point, team 7 really was screwed. But naruto a mere genin was able to come up with a strategy to free kakashi from the demon of the hidden mist, which he really shouldn't have been able to , and its a testament to his intelligence. Kakashi did a great job of using his dogs to sniff out zabuza by making him cut him and put the blood on his sword, but zabuza was someone in his league and they were more or less evenly matched. After that, kakashi gets floored in most of his other battles, although usually because of his low stamina, but for example he was unable to keep up with itachi's overlays in part one, and nearly got critically injured from itachis exploding shadow clone. Naruto on the other hand was able to outsmart someone like neji, who he should have had no chance of beating. I know the nine tails sort of bailed him out, but still he tricked neji in the end. Then the pain and kakazu fights are other examples of him beating people he shouldnt be able to beat. Kakashi wins because he is evenly matched or better, but naruto takes it fo the higher level by beating opponents who should have been able to stomp him. </p>

<p>I think Naruto is inherently supposed to be an intelligent person, but his social awkwardness leads him to look like a blunt fool. Not that any of that's his fault, however. </p>

<p>Yea, tbh naruto's personality put him in situations where people always tried to make him look dumb. Naruto just doesnt like being ignored. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Slaphappyjoy wrote: I think Naruto is inherently supposed to be an intelligent person, but his social awkwardness leads him to look like a blunt fool. Not that any of that's his fault, however. </p> </i></div>
<p>Well intelligence is a really broad concept. Naruto's understanding of things is very intuitive, which simply means he has to try a lot. Kurama enabled him to actually succeed this way. </p><p>As to Naruto beating people he shouldn't, Naruto is extremely unpredictable simply because he doesn't think like others do. Using Sexy Jutsu against Kaguya is what no sane ninja would even try. He uses unconventional tactics and jutsu, and that makes more experienced people's tactics and preconceptions fail. </p>

<p>Intelligence is what you know, the ability to understand knowledge you acquire, then apply it to get new knowledge and problem solve. Kurama didnt help him intelligence wise at all. Naruto using sexy jutsu was wisdom more so than intelligence. He didnt have a way of knowing kaguya would blush from that. For example, naruto intelligence feat wouldnbe kakazu. He knew that kakazu was focusing on rasenshuriken and thus wouldn't notice it was a clone and not the real one this time. So he set up a formation to exploit that. </p>

<p>There's many different types of intelligence. Jutsu, Life and Battle. Uchiha's are very gifted in battle smart and apart from strong ninja's who are obviously smart like Minato and Kakashi, Shikamaru is an outlier where he's not the strongest but his thought process makes up for it. People like Tobirama, Hiruzen, Madara and Orochimaru are Jutsu smart. Looking beyond the fighting and segregation are people who are life smart like Shisui, Jiraiya, Itachi, and Hashirama. Hashirama because he literally invented the modern day Shinobi world. </p><p>Notes: I'm not sure I can give extra credit to Naruto, Obito or Madara for intelligence more than what can be seen since their knowledge is so predicated by plot its hard to give them Life smart. They were just a nexus to fight each other until the other surrenders to their own ideals. Kishi chose Naruto (There's nothing wrong with that). Though all are battle smart. </p><p>Rasa is more smarter than Gaara since he was inventing jutsu for the Sand village but we didn't get to see much of him so it's null. But Gaara is life smart, more so than plot allows him to be. I'd add him to the Life smart list. </p><p>Minato is jutsu smart but he was surprised at Orochimaru undoing the RDS when Oro found it through Uzumaki research and Minato did extensive research on Uzumaki's too so I'd put him below the ones I've mentioned. </p><p>Madara and Tobirama's Jutsu smart is questionable. How did they know so much when there time had long since past. I think it's obviously plot but they are of another caliber in terms of being sheer ninjas and Tobirama did create some very common and powerful jutsu. </p><p>Nagato I think was just strong. His alignment of Pains when fighting Naruto was smart though. He's not life smart to me since all he was defeated by is a book which he could've read himself and plot. </p>