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<p>There is a misconception that with the Totsuka blade and the Yata Mirror Itachi is invincible and no one can defeat him. But that is completely false.
</p><p>By that logic the invincible Kaguya would have never been sealed, the Ten Tails would have never been defeat by Hagaromo and Hamura nor restrained by Hashirama, Pain would have not lost against Naruto, and Madara's perfect susanoo sword would be able to destroy everything when it couldn't destory a wood golem.
</p><p>Yes the Totsuka blade is an extremely powerful weapon that seals anything it pierces. However since it's a sword it has a certain range. It's not something that can extend to any length chosen by the user. Further more the blade can be dodged, like any other sword. Nor is there any evidence that it can pierce a susanoo or other things just as hard or harder with one stab.
</p><p>The third databook claims that the Yata Mirror is invincible and that nothing can get past it. Well even so you can attack Itachi's feet so therefore he can be pulled from the susanoo. However just regarding the databooks, the databooks are used to supplement the manga only. The manga, canon movies, and anime trump the databooks as databooks just explain certain things that weren't made clear in the original material. They are not some infallable books. If that were true all tailed beasts would be mindless monsters, anyone with a higher stat rating than Itachi would win, Kurama would be the only one to know the origin of the sharingan, etc. While the Yata Mirror was never retconned, it never has been used after the Itachi vs Sasuke fight. You see it when Itachi fights Pain but it never was used. Now going by the logic before Madara's perfect susanoo sword would pierce the shield considering it can destroy all things in the universe (I think that if the mirror did get hit by Madara's sword enough times it would shatter). We have never seen the Yata Mirror being used to defend anything other than a couple of paper bombs. Itachi's susanoo was also utterly destroyed by Kirin so where was the Yata Mirror then?
</p><p>My interpretation is that previous databook information is outdated if retconned in future databooks. Since these things get updated unless the manga or anime support the claims of the databook then I am under the belief that the claim should be disregarded. Going back to the Yata mirror only the databook really says how invincible the mirror is supposed to be, Black Zetsu only says that it can withstand the five elements.
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<p>Thekillman wrote:
Against the Chibaku tensei he uses his strongest attack, which is the Magatama attack. It was well within range of a vastly superior PS blade strike.
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<p>Ok you have convinced me that Itachi can't use PS. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>AsianReaper wrote: </p><p>You argued with the clone technique, but that's different. Academy students have to perform this technique in order to graduate, which Itachi did. He graduated. </p> </i></div>
<p>EDIT: My problem is that stating that Itachi doesn't have PS as a fact just because he hasn't been shown to use PS is bad logic as it doesn't make sense that Itachi can only use the jutsu he used during the manga. </p>
<p>Ok you have convinced me that Itachi can't use PS. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>AsianReaper wrote: </p><p>You argued with the clone technique, but that's different. Academy students have to perform this technique in order to graduate, which Itachi did. He graduated. </p> </i></div>
<p>EDIT: My problem is that stating that Itachi doesn't have PS as a fact just because he hasn't been shown to use PS is bad logic as it doesn't make sense that Itachi can only use the jutsu he used during the manga. </p>
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EDIT: My problem is that stating that Itachi doesn't have PS as a fact just because he hasn't been shown to use PS is bad logic
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<p>It's the only logic we can use. Else, anything can be claimed. Jiraiya uses Rasenshuriken, because he hasn't been shown not to use it. Orochimaru uses FTG. Hiruzen has Wood Release. etc etc etc </p><p>It's not impossible for Itachi to awaken PS, had he lived longer. That's not the same as being able to use it. E.g. Minato would've probably mastered Sage Mode and Rasenshuriken eventually as well. </p>
<p>It's the only logic we can use. Else, anything can be claimed. Jiraiya uses Rasenshuriken, because he hasn't been shown not to use it. Orochimaru uses FTG. Hiruzen has Wood Release. etc etc etc </p><p>It's not impossible for Itachi to awaken PS, had he lived longer. That's not the same as being able to use it. E.g. Minato would've probably mastered Sage Mode and Rasenshuriken eventually as well. </p>
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</p><p>It's the only logic we can use. Else, anything can be claimed. Jiraiya uses Rasenshuriken, because he hasn't been shown not to use it. Orochimaru uses FTG. Hiruzen has Wood Release. etc etc etc
</p><p>It's not impossible for Itachi to awaken PS, had he lived longer. That's not the same as being able to use it. E.g. Minato would've probably mastered Sage Mode and Rasenshuriken eventually as well.
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<p>The only thing that can be claimed as fact are what is shown in the manga anything else is just fanon so any answer to question of Itachi using PS is fanon all we can say is that we don't think he can use PS and state our reasons way we think that. </p>
<p>The only thing that can be claimed as fact are what is shown in the manga anything else is just fanon so any answer to question of Itachi using PS is fanon all we can say is that we don't think he can use PS and state our reasons way we think that. </p>
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The only thing that can be claimed as fact are what is shown in the manga anything else is just fanon
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<p>If it's shown in the Manga that he doesn't use it ever, even in situations where it would work, then he doesn't have it. This really doesn't have to be any more complicated than that. </p><p>That also doesn't mean that "any answer" is fanon, it means that unless shown otherwise he simply doesn't have it. I don't understand why we're spending so much posts on this subject when it's that simple. </p>
<p>If it's shown in the Manga that he doesn't use it ever, even in situations where it would work, then he doesn't have it. This really doesn't have to be any more complicated than that. </p><p>That also doesn't mean that "any answer" is fanon, it means that unless shown otherwise he simply doesn't have it. I don't understand why we're spending so much posts on this subject when it's that simple. </p>
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<p>Honestly even though Itachi is tied with Madara and sasuke as my favourite character, I'll admit he's not even half as powerful as EMS Madara or Rinnegan Sasuke, and is generally overhyped as a fighter, but he's nowhere near as overhyped as Batman.
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he's nowhere near as overhyped as Batman.
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<p>Batman, like Superman and just about every currently popular superhero has been around for decades. I'm sure there were iterations of him that just couldn't lose, that doesn't mean the current one can. Superman's even worse, as a guy who went from Saitama powers to a living god. </p><p>Itachi's overrated depending on who you ask. I honestly don't really see the "overhype", to me the Manga was always pretty fair with his strength. </p>
<p>Batman, like Superman and just about every currently popular superhero has been around for decades. I'm sure there were iterations of him that just couldn't lose, that doesn't mean the current one can. Superman's even worse, as a guy who went from Saitama powers to a living god. </p><p>Itachi's overrated depending on who you ask. I honestly don't really see the "overhype", to me the Manga was always pretty fair with his strength. </p>
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<p>Uchiahmasters wrote:
he's nowhere near as overhyped as Batman.
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<p>Batman, like Superman and just about every currently popular superhero has been around for decades. I'm sure there were iterations of him that just couldn't lose, that doesn't mean the current one can. Superman's even worse, as a guy who went from Saitama powers to a living god. </p><p>Itachi's overrated depending on who you ask. I honestly don't really see the "overhype", to me the Manga was always pretty fair with his strength. </p> </div> <p>People say that Batman could beat every other superhero in existence just because he's Batman, yeah no. Batman would be useless in the Naruto universe if not less then useless. </p>
<p>Batman, like Superman and just about every currently popular superhero has been around for decades. I'm sure there were iterations of him that just couldn't lose, that doesn't mean the current one can. Superman's even worse, as a guy who went from Saitama powers to a living god. </p><p>Itachi's overrated depending on who you ask. I honestly don't really see the "overhype", to me the Manga was always pretty fair with his strength. </p> </div> <p>People say that Batman could beat every other superhero in existence just because he's Batman, yeah no. Batman would be useless in the Naruto universe if not less then useless. </p>
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<p>@Tasuxeda Lets put it this way. You can be off in dream land and believe Itachi has PS despite the databooks not even listing him as one nor has he shown it. This isn't a general skill like a Clone Technique. This is obviously a technique that takes great power to achieve. So again you bring that to table but it will just be fanon info to us, period.
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@Tasuxeda Lets put it this way. You can be off in dream land and believe Itachi has PS despite the databooks not even listing him as one nor has he shown it. This isn't a general skill like a Clone Technique. This is obviously a technique that takes great power to achieve. So again you bring that to table but it will just be fanon info to us, period.
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<p>I don't think Itachi can use PS anymore, I have stated that I was convinced of that. </p><p>The databooks only have Madara stated to be user of PS which lead me to believe that section of databook was incomplete although having reread it I would like to point out that the databook states that "The power of the "Mangekyo Sharingan" is able to activate incredible ninjutsu." and not the power of the EMS or six paths chakra for those that implied the EMS or six paths chakra was required for PS. </p><p>I was just using the clone jutsu as an example, it is however fanon that Itachi can use the clone jutsu. </p><p>I know my original belief of Itachi being able to use PS is fanon that is why I say things like "if", "but as far as I am aware", "might", "probably" and "my opinion" I try not to state my fanon as facts. </p>
<p>I don't think Itachi can use PS anymore, I have stated that I was convinced of that. </p><p>The databooks only have Madara stated to be user of PS which lead me to believe that section of databook was incomplete although having reread it I would like to point out that the databook states that "The power of the "Mangekyo Sharingan" is able to activate incredible ninjutsu." and not the power of the EMS or six paths chakra for those that implied the EMS or six paths chakra was required for PS. </p><p>I was just using the clone jutsu as an example, it is however fanon that Itachi can use the clone jutsu. </p><p>I know my original belief of Itachi being able to use PS is fanon that is why I say things like "if", "but as far as I am aware", "might", "probably" and "my opinion" I try not to state my fanon as facts. </p>
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<p>@Tasuxeda But it is not fanon that he learned the Clone Technique, it is a requirement to pass the Academy, with special circumstances being Lee and Naruto. But it is not like he'll use it here in this battle. Lets move on.
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