<p>^^^ I think he meant that Madara got stronger after being revived with Obito's Rinne Tensei which would be accurate as it was shown and stated that Edotensei are brought back with less strength than when they were alive, so edo Madara is stronger than EMS Madara, but not as strong as one eyed Rinnegan Madara. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>SuperSaiyaMan wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>MlGshinobi wrote: @Supersayiaman, it was outright stated that madara got stronger once he was revived, deny manga facts if you want. @Ninja of War, that's not how the genjustu works, it isn't actual darkness, it made hiruzen and his shadow clones perceive infinite darkness around them, it's a genjustu that simply messes with the user sight and doesn't impair your other senses. All genjustu messes with your sense of sigh t and make you see stuff that isn't there. The sharingan can easily detect the darkness, just like sasuke saw through Cee's infinite light blinding genjustu. </p> </i></div>
<p>That was Hashirama's misconception, MIGShinobi. Hashirama is no longer an expert on Madara, he couldn't know what he was thinking. We have a canon statement that Madara in his Edo Form was far stronger than he was in life, far stronger than his prime. And question: what's Hashirama's counter to Madara just using Outer Path to control him after impaling him with those six Chakra Recievers? Ohthat's right, he has no counter and Hashirama didn't even realize he had already lost. </p> </div> <p>Do I really need to post reference for this? Even madara said that tobirama was weaker as an edo tensi, and he said the senju brothers could no longer keep up with their former selves due to being the edo zombies. Madara was stronger in his prime because of kabuto's further modifications, but that doesn't change the manga fact that he was still weaker than his full potential due to being an edo tensi. Hashriama was a good deal stronger when they fought in real life, and he beats him in stamina by just enough to win everyy time. Even after gaining the rinnegan and mokuton, madara was still not able to fully close the gap. And the rods, whoo knows when he implanted those. He hsd to plant those rods manually into obito in order to use them , so that was either plot or happened sometime off panel. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>MlGshinobi wrote: Do I really need to post reference for this? Even madara said that tobirama was weaker as an edo tensi, and he said the senju brothers could no longer keep up with their former selves due to being the edo zombies. Madara was stronger in his prime because of kabuto's further modifications, but that doesn't change the manga fact that he was still weaker than his full potential due to being an edo tensi. Hashriama was a good deal stronger when they fought in real life, and he beats him in stamina by just enough to win everyy time. Even after gaining the rinnegan and mokuton, madara was still not able to fully close the gap. And the rods, whoo knows when he implanted those. He hsd to plant those rods manually into obito in order to use them , so that was either plot or happened sometime off panel. </p> </i></div>
<p>Tobirama and Hashirama were 98 to 99% close to their full strength from Orochimaru's incomplete Edo Tensei. Madara was brought back and enhanced by Kabuto, brought back stronger than he was in life (word for word) due to possessing the Rinnegan and Mokuton. Hashirama was played for a <i>fool</i>, he didn't understand the danger of the chakra receivers and let himself get stabbed <i>six times</i>. You understand this right? All Madara needed to do was use a seal and turn Hashirama into a people puppet. </p>

<p>(Tobirama and Hashirama were 98 to 99%)how the hell you know that?The edo tenseis are weaker than they were in life,hashirama himself said that after madara got revived by rinne tensei madara gained back his full power from the past. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Narutopwnu7 wrote: (Tobirama and Hashirama were 98 to 99%)how the hell you know that?The edo tenseis are weaker than they were in life,hashirama himself said that after madara got revived by rinne tensei madara gained back his full power from the past. </p> </i></div>
<p>Its an educated guess considering that Orochimaru had almost perfected Edo Tensei when he revived them. And no, Orochimaru's Edo Tensei are weaker than they are in life since his isn't completed and perfected. Kabuto's is explicitly said to be able to bring back a shinobi back at full power (Muu vs Onoki), or in Madara's case, bring them back far stronger than they were in their Prime. </p><p>When people say Hashirama and Tobirama are weaker than they are in life, they act like they are what, 50% of what they were? Even less? </p>

<p>That number has no substantiation. The edo tensei are close to full strength, but there is still an obvious gap because hashirama and madara both said that being an edo tensi makes you weaker. No hashirama wasn't played for a fool, madara was seconds away from being sealed but just in the nick of time black zetsu revived him, giving him the power boost to subdue hashirama. Hashriama letting himself be stabbed by those rods was just a bad personality trait, he is used to heal ing off all damage. But it wouldn't have mattered if black zetsu didnt revive madara. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>MlGshinobi wrote: That number has no substantiation. The edo tensei are close to full strength, but there is still an obvious gap because hashirama and madara both said that being an edo tensi makes you weaker. No hashirama wasn't played for a fool, madara was seconds away from being sealed but just in the nick of time black zetsu revived him, giving him the power boost to subdue hashirama. Hashriama letting himself be stabbed by those rods was just a bad personality trait, he is used to heal ing off all damage. But it wouldn't have mattered if black zetsu didnt revive madara. </p> </i></div>
<p>No, it does. Tobirama and Hashirama were brought back to close to full power, hence 98-99%. Madara held back against Hashirama, he played him for a fool. seriously, why ignore the chakra rods? Or the fact all Madara had to do was use a SINGLE. SEAL. and paralyze or control Hashirama. Seriously, all he needed was a single seal. Despite being pinned by Myonjinmon Madara clearly showed everything was under his control. </p>

<p>where it was said that madara held back against hashirama???Hashirama almost sealed him with naruto help.And I still trying to find out from where are you getting this 98-99% from.My guess is that they were between 85-90 % of their full power,Hashirama apparently couldn't use true thousand hands as an Edo. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Narutopwnu7 wrote: where it was said that madara held back against hashirama???Hashirama almost sealed him with naruto help.And I still trying to find out from where are you getting this 98-99% from.My guess is that they were between 85-90 % of their full power,Hashirama apparently couldn't use true thousand hands as an Edo. </p> </i></div>
<p>Its obvious Madara held back against Hashirama. On screen, he didn't use any Rinnegan technique, any Mokuton, and just fought with his Sharingan powers against Hashirama. We know he was holding back since all he needed was a single seal to immobilize Hashirama the second his Chakra Receivers. The moment Hashirama was stabbed was the moment he lost. Shinsusenju wasn't useful in that battle, ever thought of that? In such close proximity with the Alliance, you honestly expect Hashirama to use a technique that would kill most if not all of them? And 85-90% is too low from their performance. They were almost at full power, hence 98-99%. </p>

<p>Except he did use rinnegan techniques, hashirama disabled his preta path. And like I said your numbers contradict the testimonies of hashirama and madara, so im free to disregard them. Madara was about to sealed, zetsu and obito saved him. He only needed one hand seal because of the power boost he gain ed from rinne tensi. Most of the battle was off panel anyways. The shinsenju would be very useful as it's a susanoo busting attack. </p>