<div class="quote"><i> <p>Thekillman wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>Narutopwnu7 wrote: Why people always bring up minato SM when he himself admitted that is not good with it? </p> </i></div>
<p>Minato's complaints essentially describe Naruto's Sage Mode when he first uses it against pain. It works fine, it's simply not on the level of his other jutsu like Hiraishin or Rasengan. </p> </div> <p>It works fine how???he can only use it for like 20/30 seconds and his SM is by far the worst out of a all Perfect sages. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Minato 87 wrote: SM Jiraiya is stronger than Hokage Minato (Earth Release: Swamp of the Underworld or Sage Art: Goemon can reduce number of Kunais and Jiraiya has better arsenal of jutsus). BM Minato is too strong for Jiraiya (Minato can teleport Tailed Beasts Bomb to Jiraiya, and J-man has no answer on that). </p> </i></div>
<p>Where's BM Minato gonna get TBB's from? </p><p>Quite interesting match up, but wasn't Jiraiya able to enter imperfect sage mode by himself?, there was a flashback when Naruto was learning sage mode. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Ninja Of War wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>Minato 87 wrote: SM Jiraiya is stronger than Hokage Minato (Earth Release: Swamp of the Underworld or Sage Art: Goemon can reduce number of Kunais and Jiraiya has better arsenal of jutsus). BM Minato is too strong for Jiraiya (Minato can teleport Tailed Beasts Bomb to Jiraiya, and J-man has no answer on that). </p> </i></div>
<p>Where's BM Minato gonna get TBB's from? </p> </div> <p>BM means Biju Mode. He could make one himself. </p>

<p>Oh, thought it was Base Mode. </p>

<p>It may be a little late to say this. However, when I said that Jiraiya was more adept at using sage mode, I meant that in the sense of maintaining it for a longer period of time rather than perfect vs. imperfect. Also, here's something that's straight from the wiki: Jiraiya was taught how to use senjutsu by Fukasaku, which he can use to increase his speed, durability, and physical strength.[30] He can also use it to empower his other ninjutsu, such as the Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan. Before he can gain these benefits, Jiraiya must enter Sage Mode, which he does not have mastery of. This causes his Sage Mode form to make him more toad-like in appearance, such as warts and webbed hands and feet; although his frog-like legs enable him to jump better, he dislikes the overall appearance because he believes women will find it unattractive. Using Sage Mode requires his supply of natural energy be constantly replenished, something that is difficult to do while in combat. For this reason, Jiraiya summons Fukasaku and Shima and fuses them to his body, having them gather natural energy for him. As an added bonus, Fukasaku and Shima can combine attacks with Jiraiya's, as with the Sage Art: Goemon, or they can perform justu that he can't, as with genjutsu. </p><p>In my opinon, this would make Jiraiya the better sage because his toad features allow him to jump better and Fukasaku and Shima also allow him to use imperfect sage mode for longer periods of time than Minato, who can only use perfect sage mode for 20/30 seconds. So wich is better? I think that it would have to be Edo-Minato vs. Jiraiya since as far as I can tell, only Kurama-Minato could possibly Jiraiya. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Rapture'sDelight wrote: Minato is definitely more adept with Sage Mode than Jiraiya as Jiraiya needs the help of Fukasaku and Shima in order to enter an imperfect form. </p> </i></div>
<p>I really doubt this claim. when minato was fighting madara alongside with guy and kakashi. they had 2 option one was to use senjutsu or taijutsu.it was there minato himself accepted that his senjutsu was subpar.(leaving guy to fight madara with his 8 inner gates meaning it was really very subpar).though with nine tails chakra mode he would win no doubt. </p>

minato blitz jiraiya simple

<p>I'm assuming they know of each other's abilities and were pit against each othrr for unknown reasons. If that's the case Jiraiya would keep his distance while avoiding the FTG kunai. Since Jiraiya has an array if mid to long techniques, Minato will have a hard time dealing with that. Minato may be able to out maneuver the attacks by Body Flicker or teleporting although it is still a risk he'd get hit dependibg on how far apart the kunai are. If Minato goes into Sage Mode, Jiraiya summons either Gamaken or Gamabunta to delay time. Seeing as how he akso can create a Sensing Barrier it akso helps him here. If entering SM successfully than having Ma and Pa to aid hil gives Jiraiya an even bigger advantage and makes Minato's SM useless. Minato couod go into his KCM, though he has shown no speed feats with this mode so I can't really say ut boosts hus speed but gives him the durability. I would say SM and KCM becomes like tug a war. But then there is TBM which allows Minato to create a TBB that Jiraiya doesn't have the speed to avoid it's explosion nor any defenses so that's where I draw the line. Minato eins because of TBM here IMO. </p><p>Also, I'm quite intrigued to here how Minato is going to create TBBs and teleport them at the same time. He has shown no ability to do both simutaneously, seeing as how he needs both arms to create a TBB and chakra arms seem not ti come into play in this mode anymore. Maybe he can teleport a TBB already shot but that would mean chasing it down, having his FTG kunai come into close range of it and then teleporting it to wherever but that just sounds ridiculous. </p>

<p>Minato did use chakra arms during the war, when he first activated kcm he couldn't use it until he saw naruto use them. Minato used them to allow the entire alliance to pull the bijuu out of obito. Minato's best way to utilize the bijuu bomb would be to tag jiraiya somehow, prep, the bomb, then teleport and fire it at point blank range on jiraiya, then teleport away , or just send a kcm shadow clone to do it. He also can use the teleportation barrier to redirect his bombs. Also wouldn't there be competition for control over summons? Minato also has a contract with the frogs including gamabunta. </p>

<p>@Rachin123 Minato was shown to use chakra arms in KCM when assisting in the Tailed Beast extraction. So he could use chakra arms to create the barrier or just make a shadow clone to do it. Huh, Tailed Beast Flying Thunder God Guiding Bomb, that would be pretty badass </p>