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<p>Ok, so Sasuke gains the Yin Power from Hagaromo, adding on to his Dojutsu arsenal. He now has a Eternal Mangekyo and a Choku-Tomoe Rinnegan.
</p><p>Madara is the Ten-Tails Jinchuriki and absorbs the God Tree. At any moment, he could activate Infinite Tsukiyomi if he wanted to.
</p><p>Ignore Naruto, like he wasn't there in the battle. Say Sasuke had to fight Madara like that. Who would win?
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<p>8Gates wrote:
No, he can't. Madara is stated to be the strongest Uchiha without Ten Tails.
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<p>That was before Sasuke got Rinnegan and before Obito became TTJ. Rinnegan Sasuke is better in everything than pre TTJ Madara. </p>
<p>That was before Sasuke got Rinnegan and before Obito became TTJ. Rinnegan Sasuke is better in everything than pre TTJ Madara. </p>
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Does Sasuke possess his spacetime ability. That could be crucial if he could somehow BFR Madara to Kaguya's dimension
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<p>GreatestSin wrote:
^i really doubt that either one can defeant TTJ-madara, he is sasuke+naruto in one body, how can either of them defeat him?
</p><p>but i go off-topic: @8gates
</p><p>madara was the strongest uchiha until sasuke got the so6p chakra, if sasuke awakened rinnegan with hashi cells he would be on madaras lvl, but so6p was a power boost madara didnt have, so i would say peak-sasuke can defeat non-TTJ-madara...
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<p>What are you talking about? The Six Paths Power of Shadow that Hagoromo gave him awakened the Rinnegan and nothing more. I don't even know what you're trying to say here. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Minato 87 wrote: That was before Sasuke got Rinnegan and before Obito became TTJ. Rinnegan Sasuke is better in everything than pre TTJ Madara. </p> </i></div>
<p>No, it isn't. The statement states that Madara is the strongest Uchiha, not that he was. </p><p>Obito isn't even included in that statement. There isn't any reason that the author would lump a Ten Tails' jinchuriki in that same category and he is the only stated exception to be stronger, not Sasuke. </p>
<p>What are you talking about? The Six Paths Power of Shadow that Hagoromo gave him awakened the Rinnegan and nothing more. I don't even know what you're trying to say here. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Minato 87 wrote: That was before Sasuke got Rinnegan and before Obito became TTJ. Rinnegan Sasuke is better in everything than pre TTJ Madara. </p> </i></div>
<p>No, it isn't. The statement states that Madara is the strongest Uchiha, not that he was. </p><p>Obito isn't even included in that statement. There isn't any reason that the author would lump a Ten Tails' jinchuriki in that same category and he is the only stated exception to be stronger, not Sasuke. </p>
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<p>Theannoyingpragmatist wrote:
Give Sasuke another 3-5 years of training and combat experience he could beat madara without susanoo.
</p><p>That being said 17 y/o sasuke has no chance.
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<p>So you understand Naruto manga better than Kishimoto, because he didn't know how to defeat Madara in fair battle. </p> </div> <p>Obviously Kishi couldn't have Sasuke say, "lemme train for 3-5 years before i fight you" so it wasn't an option for Kishi. @Theannoyingpragmatist was saying if Sasuke had the chance to gain that experience, he'd be able to pull it off. </p>
<p>So you understand Naruto manga better than Kishimoto, because he didn't know how to defeat Madara in fair battle. </p> </div> <p>Obviously Kishi couldn't have Sasuke say, "lemme train for 3-5 years before i fight you" so it wasn't an option for Kishi. @Theannoyingpragmatist was saying if Sasuke had the chance to gain that experience, he'd be able to pull it off. </p>
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<p>8Gates wrote:
No, it isn't. The statement states that Madara is the strongest Uchiha, not that he was.
</p><p>Obito isn't even included in that statement. There isn't any reason that the author would lump a Ten Tails' jinchuriki in that same category and he is the only stated exception to be stronger, not Sasuke.
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<p>When exactly was this statement stated? And even so, I still believe both a 100% Obito and a Six Paths Yin Sasuke can defeat a non-TTJ Madara probably with ease. As long as Madara doesn't have an effective and reliable counter to Kamui spamming (which he doesn't), he's a goner. In Sasuke's case though it would definitely depend on which Madara he is facing (Valley of the End version, Fourth Shinobi World War revival version) but I still think Sasuke would win either way. I already explained why he would in a thread created like 3 weeks ago so I won't bother to repeat myself. In fact, I think it might have been you, 8Gates, with whom I was discussing this Sasuke v. Madara with. I don't really remember though... </p>
<p>When exactly was this statement stated? And even so, I still believe both a 100% Obito and a Six Paths Yin Sasuke can defeat a non-TTJ Madara probably with ease. As long as Madara doesn't have an effective and reliable counter to Kamui spamming (which he doesn't), he's a goner. In Sasuke's case though it would definitely depend on which Madara he is facing (Valley of the End version, Fourth Shinobi World War revival version) but I still think Sasuke would win either way. I already explained why he would in a thread created like 3 weeks ago so I won't bother to repeat myself. In fact, I think it might have been you, 8Gates, with whom I was discussing this Sasuke v. Madara with. I don't really remember though... </p>
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<p>EternalMangekyōRinneSharingan wrote:
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<p>8Gates wrote:
No, it isn't. The statement states that Madara is the strongest Uchiha, not that he was.
</p><p>Obito isn't even included in that statement. There isn't any reason that the author would lump a Ten Tails' jinchuriki in that same category and he is the only stated exception to be stronger, not Sasuke.
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<p>When exactly was this statement stated? And even so, I still believe both a 100% Obito and a Six Paths Yin Sasuke can defeat a non-TTJ Madara probably with ease. As long as Madara doesn't have an effective and reliable counter to Kamui spamming (which he doesn't), he's a goner. In Sasuke's case though it would definitely depend on which Madara he is facing (Valley of the End version, Fourth Shinobi World War revival version) but I still think Sasuke would win either way. I already explained why he would in a thread created like 3 weeks ago so I won't bother to repeat myself. In fact, I think it might have been you, 8Gates, with whom I was discussing this Sasuke v. Madara with. I don't really remember though... </p> </div> <p>The statement was made in the databook. No version of Sasuke other than VOTE 2 is defeating Madara. Obito clearly can't defeat him either. </p>
<p>When exactly was this statement stated? And even so, I still believe both a 100% Obito and a Six Paths Yin Sasuke can defeat a non-TTJ Madara probably with ease. As long as Madara doesn't have an effective and reliable counter to Kamui spamming (which he doesn't), he's a goner. In Sasuke's case though it would definitely depend on which Madara he is facing (Valley of the End version, Fourth Shinobi World War revival version) but I still think Sasuke would win either way. I already explained why he would in a thread created like 3 weeks ago so I won't bother to repeat myself. In fact, I think it might have been you, 8Gates, with whom I was discussing this Sasuke v. Madara with. I don't really remember though... </p> </div> <p>The statement was made in the databook. No version of Sasuke other than VOTE 2 is defeating Madara. Obito clearly can't defeat him either. </p>
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<p>Bortuo movie Sasuke would beat Madara.
</p><p>Obito at full strength minus TTJ would give VOTE Madara a very hard time. Obito was called Madara's near-mirror in abilities, Obito also has Kamui.
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<p>8Gates wrote:
The statement was made in the databook. No version of Sasuke other than VOTE 2 is defeating Madara. Obito clearly can't defeat him either.
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<p>So you're saying VOTE 2 Sasuke can defeat 4SWW Madara? It would be tough, but Sasuke's Blaze Release would be my deciding factor. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>AsianReaper wrote: Bortuo movie Sasuke would beat Madara. </p><p>Obito at full strength minus TTJ would give VOTE Madara a very hard time. Obito was called Madara's near-mirror in abilities, Obito also has Kamui. </p> </i></div>
<p>I don't think Obito won't give Madara a hard time because there won't be much time at all, really. Harming Obito is physically impossible, predicting him would prove very difficult, and there's no avoiding him either. It's just a matter of how long it takes for Obito to get close enough to Madara in order to warp him away. Granted, Madara would never let Obito get that close, but all he can do is throw ninjutsu at him, and they aren't really going to be effective because a lot of them are large scale, therefore easily evaded with Kamui. </p><p>The only reason I say Obito would win in the first place is because he's abused Kamui so much during the series when they were supposed to be blinding him and draining his chakra substantially. I don't ever recall Obito being recognized for his chakra reserves like Naruto was, and his (basically) Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan was never explained. He isn't confined like most of the main characters are, and when you give someone like Obito something like Kamui, you get the most haxed character in the series. </p>
<p>So you're saying VOTE 2 Sasuke can defeat 4SWW Madara? It would be tough, but Sasuke's Blaze Release would be my deciding factor. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>AsianReaper wrote: Bortuo movie Sasuke would beat Madara. </p><p>Obito at full strength minus TTJ would give VOTE Madara a very hard time. Obito was called Madara's near-mirror in abilities, Obito also has Kamui. </p> </i></div>
<p>I don't think Obito won't give Madara a hard time because there won't be much time at all, really. Harming Obito is physically impossible, predicting him would prove very difficult, and there's no avoiding him either. It's just a matter of how long it takes for Obito to get close enough to Madara in order to warp him away. Granted, Madara would never let Obito get that close, but all he can do is throw ninjutsu at him, and they aren't really going to be effective because a lot of them are large scale, therefore easily evaded with Kamui. </p><p>The only reason I say Obito would win in the first place is because he's abused Kamui so much during the series when they were supposed to be blinding him and draining his chakra substantially. I don't ever recall Obito being recognized for his chakra reserves like Naruto was, and his (basically) Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan was never explained. He isn't confined like most of the main characters are, and when you give someone like Obito something like Kamui, you get the most haxed character in the series. </p>
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<p>EternalMangekyōRinneSharingan wrote:
So you're saying VOTE 2 Sasuke can defeat 4SWW Madara? It would be tough, but Sasuke's Blaze Release would be my deciding factor.
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<p>I don't have any idea what the bold means. If it refers to Madara without the Ten Tails, then yes Sasuke can defeat that version of Madara if he possessed the Biju. </p>
<p>I don't have any idea what the bold means. If it refers to Madara without the Ten Tails, then yes Sasuke can defeat that version of Madara if he possessed the Biju. </p>
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<p>@8Gates 4SWW refers to Fourth Shinobi World War
</p><p>And Rinnegan Sasuke could defeat that Madara without Bijuu. At the very least he could beat if he was The Last Sasuke.
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