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ALL POSTSIndra and Ashura not so far apart in talent then people believe.
<p>so i had a thought, is Indra really that much better than Ashura? or is something else at play. when we see indra and ashura study it is clear that Ashura is actually not very interested in what they were studying. and as many can attest. your learning curve in any given subject is influenced heavily by interest. what i mean is that if you have absolutely no interest in wood shop, are you going to do good in it? Maybe Maybe not. as for learning jutsu could it be more logical that instead of actually being considerably better than Ashura that maybe Indra's learning curve had nothing to do with being smarter but the fact that he is the one who invented hand signs and Jutsu.. i mean Indra was shown figuring out specific hand signs that worked best for infusing chakra for his jutsu. but he didn't instantly get skilled in it. lets say we did the reverse and had Ashura be the one who actually developed his own hand signs at the same time. ones that were easier for him to use. wouldn't you recon that they might be closer in actual skill in that manner. when you think about it. indra required years of intense training to get to has powerful as he was, yet after coming back from there perspective journeys and being attacked by Indra, ashura responded with techniques that allowed him to counter Indra's powerful jutsu. despite not training as hard as Indra. so in a way Ashura was naturally gifted because he didn't have to develop or train as hard as his brother
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Asura got buffed by Hagoromo
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<p>Indra was one of the two brothers to have awakened the Sharingan and the Mangekyo, while Asura did not. Asura did have access to the Wood Release ninjutsu, while Indra did not.
</p><p>While it's all possible in the human mind that if you put your mind into something, you'll be really good at it, it wasn't exactly the case for Indra. Since the beginning, Hagoromo had been pondering on who to choose to succeed him in Ninshu, and he could not choose between Asura and Indra because they weren't ready... yet, although he had more faith that Asura would be the one since he had a great understanding of the human heart.
</p><p>Although he is kind and suitable, Asura had no will to ever succeed his father in Ninshu and immediately assumed the role will go to his prodigious brother instead. That quickly proved untrue when both brothers returned from their journeys. In a way, you could say that both brothers were very much proportionally the same in ability. While Indra was indeed more powerful physically, he had no understanding of the human heart and almost drove the village he helped to near destruction. Asura on the other hand may be the weakest in power, but his mentality and understanding of the human heart became his greatest weapons in bringing prosperity in the village he had helped, thus gaining the trust of the villagers (and his father) to defeat his older brother.
</p><p>If this is a little too hard for you to understand, picture it as Madara and Hashirama, or rather Naruto and Sasuke. Being the reincarnations of the two brothers who had fought, the two would eventually (by fate) somehow and somewhere fight to the death again.
</p><p>Take Madara and Hashirama for example. Like the two brothers the two had gotten along well during their childhood and halfway through their adulthood. Until something came in between and forced them apart, which eventually led to a decisive battle. Both were almost equally matched in power, and Hashirama (being Asura's reincarnation) began to reason with Madara (Indra's reincarnation) to end the fight.
</p><p>Naruto and Sasuke. Well they weren't exactly friends, but Sasuke did call Naruto his "one and only friend", while Naruto did the same. Naruto (Asura) began to reason with Sasuke (Indra).
</p><p>You get what I'm saying do you?
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<p>Skywarior1 wrote:
Indra was one of the two brothers to have awakened the Sharingan and the Mangekyo, while Asura did not. Asura did have access to the Wood Release ninjutsu, while Indra did not.
</p><p>While it's all possible in the human mind that if you put your mind into something, you'll be really good at it, it wasn't exactly the case for Indra. Since the beginning, Hagoromo had been pondering on who to choose to succeed him in Ninshu, and he could not choose between Asura and Indra because they weren't ready... yet, although he had more faith that Asura would be the one since he had a great understanding of the human heart.
</p><p>Although he is kind and suitable, Asura had no will to ever succeed his father in Ninshu and immediately assumed the role will go to his prodigious brother instead. That quickly proved untrue when both brothers returned from their journeys. In a way, you could say that both brothers were very much proportionally the same in ability. While Indra was indeed more powerful physically, he had no understanding of the human heart and almost drove the village he helped to near destruction. Asura on the other hand may be the weakest in power, but his mentality and understanding of the human heart became his greatest weapons in bringing prosperity in the village he had helped, thus gaining the trust of the villagers (and his father) to defeat his older brother.
</p><p>If this is a little too hard for you to understand, picture it as Madara and Hashirama, or rather Naruto and Sasuke. Being the reincarnations of the two brothers who had fought, the two would eventually (by fate) somehow and somewhere fight to the death again.
</p><p>Take Madara and Hashirama for example. Like the two brothers the two had gotten along well during their childhood and halfway through their adulthood. Until something came in between and forced them apart, which eventually led to a decisive battle. Both were almost equally matched in power, and Hashirama (being Asura's reincarnation) began to reason with Madara (Indra's reincarnation) to end the fight.
</p><p>Naruto and Sasuke. Well they weren't exactly friends, but Sasuke did call Naruto his "one and only friend", while Naruto did the same. Naruto (Asura) began to reason with Sasuke (Indra).
</p><p>You get what I'm saying do you?
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<p>You are under the impression that i don't understand this series. on the contrary i understand the series. i am simply stating a theory that everyone is wrong. its not that ashura isn't a genius he simply had no drive what so ever to learn. he didn't train as hard as Indra. yet after going on his journey he came back with a remarkable level of power </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Elveonora wrote: Asura got buffed by Hagoromo </p> </i></div>
<p>my point still stands. Indra trained for his entire life, yet ashura showed no drive yet still prevailed. he suceeded in helping the village without years of intense training. all through out that he advanced his chakra control greatly to the point that after coming back from his journey he could use a wind barrier, he had a technique that resembled multiple rasengan floating around eachother yet he clearly didn't train years and years to develop that. and its clear that he didn't actually develop his chakra until he had a clear goal to achieve, and that was to save the village from the roots of the divine tree. with that goal he was able to quickly learn and develop techniques that could counter indra's those techniques were not granted to him by the power he was given by hagoromo. and he didn't get buffed up until hagoromo did the preyer circle </p><p>
i would also like to add that ashura inherited the body of the sage so there is no way that indra was physically stronger than ashura </p>
<p>You are under the impression that i don't understand this series. on the contrary i understand the series. i am simply stating a theory that everyone is wrong. its not that ashura isn't a genius he simply had no drive what so ever to learn. he didn't train as hard as Indra. yet after going on his journey he came back with a remarkable level of power </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Elveonora wrote: Asura got buffed by Hagoromo </p> </i></div>
<p>my point still stands. Indra trained for his entire life, yet ashura showed no drive yet still prevailed. he suceeded in helping the village without years of intense training. all through out that he advanced his chakra control greatly to the point that after coming back from his journey he could use a wind barrier, he had a technique that resembled multiple rasengan floating around eachother yet he clearly didn't train years and years to develop that. and its clear that he didn't actually develop his chakra until he had a clear goal to achieve, and that was to save the village from the roots of the divine tree. with that goal he was able to quickly learn and develop techniques that could counter indra's those techniques were not granted to him by the power he was given by hagoromo. and he didn't get buffed up until hagoromo did the preyer circle </p><p>
i would also like to add that ashura inherited the body of the sage so there is no way that indra was physically stronger than ashura </p>
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<p>Elveonora wrote:
Asura got buffed by Hagoromo
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<p>No, he didn't </p>
<p>No, he didn't </p>
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<p>after asura got chosen by so6p as next leader he gained ninshu control powers (which is like a gaint hive mind+ gaint chakra pool), than the fight between indra and asura happened which ended in a draw, so so6p poweer up+asura = indra
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<p>GreatestSin wrote:
after asura got chosen by so6p as next leader he gained ninshu control powers (which is like a gaint hive mind+ gaint chakra pool), than the fight between indra and asura happened which ended in a draw, so so6p poweer up+asura = indra
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<p>I really doubt after power up indra was even Ashura's equal it's more like he would always been at his mercy....
@actionmandrell
Your thought about indra making all those hand signs got me into thinking... Ashura (if he made rasengan-variant) made a jutsu without hand-sign.perhaps had Ashura been the one to discover his form of ninshu it would have been more inate than indra's style. </p>
<p>I really doubt after power up indra was even Ashura's equal it's more like he would always been at his mercy....
@actionmandrell
Your thought about indra making all those hand signs got me into thinking... Ashura (if he made rasengan-variant) made a jutsu without hand-sign.perhaps had Ashura been the one to discover his form of ninshu it would have been more inate than indra's style. </p>
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<p>^otherwise it makes no sense, so6p would have curpstomped indra if he didnt already give his powers to asura,
</p><p>the manga said that they had a draw (which killed both, maybe not at first but they repeated it i guess and than killed each other, and through emotional/plot-something they reincarnated)...
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^otherwise it makes no sense, so6p would have curpstomped indra if he didnt already give his powers to asura, </i></div>
<p>what does this mean?
</p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>GreatestSin wrote: the manga said that they had a draw (which killed both, maybe not at first but they repeated it i guess and than killed each other, and through emotional/plot-something they reincarnated)... </p> </i></div>
<p>Manga just said that fight continued between the brothers it never said anything about the outcome[and after their death their clans continued it]. Reincarnation happened because of the brothers promise to their father. And Ashura respected and loved his brother to the very end regardless of his stance. And besides we have already seen madara vs hashirama and how badly madara was dusted off each time. I 'm sure same thing happened between the brothers </p>
<p>what does this mean?
</p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>GreatestSin wrote: the manga said that they had a draw (which killed both, maybe not at first but they repeated it i guess and than killed each other, and through emotional/plot-something they reincarnated)... </p> </i></div>
<p>Manga just said that fight continued between the brothers it never said anything about the outcome[and after their death their clans continued it]. Reincarnation happened because of the brothers promise to their father. And Ashura respected and loved his brother to the very end regardless of his stance. And besides we have already seen madara vs hashirama and how badly madara was dusted off each time. I 'm sure same thing happened between the brothers </p>
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<p>Same reason Naruto "Beats" Sasuke (Don't want any discussion on Naruto V Sasuke), Indra and Asura are similar in skill as Naruto and Sasuke have become. Same deal with Madara and Hashirama.
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