<div class="quote"><i> <p>Rachin123 wrote: @Elve </p><p>When was this proven? I don't recall that ever being the case. </p> </i></div>
<p>When Hiruzen was able to recover from mindless Juubito's attack. Though I still agree with you </p>

<p>I don't think this pointless back and forth arguing is good for anything, let's just stick with manga facts please instead of opinions based on bias, headcanon and personal feelings. Furthermore, the trend over the last couple of days seems to be that topics quickly shift off topic. Sasuke's Rinnegan became about Truth Seeking Balls, Kinshiki's strength has become about Truth Seeking Balls... I think some people around here really like black balls, although they are not very truthful about it. </p><p>Anyway, the Christmas has been over for almost a month now, so enough with the abundance of niceness. Time to bring out the hammer again. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Elveonora wrote: I think some people around here really like black balls, although they are not very truthful about it. </p> </i></div>
<p>nice one. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Elveonora wrote: Again, before Obito won control over the TT there was no ninjutsu nullification </p> </i></div>
<p>Seems to me that TSB's are just mostly inert orbs unless the user specifies a property (IE turning stuff to dust). I don't believe that nullification is an always-on power, and the various inconsistencies can be summed up as a simple "because the user didn't specify that property". Even though the Fourth War is light on explanations, it's clear that there ought to be drawbacks and limits to powers. TSBs don't have always-on powers. If the user's not focusing on an effect e.g. nullifying, it's not happening. </p><p>My personal thoughts on this is that Obito had a special hatred for Minato and did his best to hurt him more than the others. Madara was pedantic about wasting power on lowly people so probably didn't think to nullify Sakura. </p>

<p>Yeah, but Madara bothered to nulify Minato's remaining arm anyway. </p>

<p>The fact is that Edos can't really be compared to living things, as even Edos aren't even affected by the Infinite Tsukuyomi. So only fact here is that the TSBs can "obliterate" Edos. It has yet to prove to do such a feat to living things. It can't destroy everything. They are indeed powerful and versatile thoough. But, onto to topic, the biggest feat with the TSBs was splitting a hallow and smaller-sized Moon, and that was with all TSBs powered by the Tenseigan. Of course we can use the Expanding Truth Seeking Ball attack, but that whole thing can be said to be a hyperbole. </p>

<p>Of course and that's not even an opinion, it's a fact. If only people bothered to check the databook translations where it states this. </p>

<p>actually, if I remember correctly, onoki was gonna kill ms sasuke with the dust release. so it can kill and obliterate people. and that means that so can tsb. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Rachin123 wrote: But, onto to topic, the biggest feat with the TSBs was splitting a hallow and smaller-sized Moon, and that was with all TSBs powered by the TenseigaN </p> </i></div>
<p>I want to point out that it wasn't just TSB's: it was a TSB-cored chakra sword. chakra swords like Perfect Susanoo's can cut through rock. My guess is that the TSB's stabilized such a gargantuan sword. Doesn't meant TSB's can cut through rock. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: actually, if I remember correctly, onoki was gonna kill ms sasuke with the dust release. so it can kill and obliterate people. and that means that so can tsb. </p> </i></div>
<p>TSB's are not equal to dust release. It nullifies jutsu, just like Dust Release can nullify things. It doesn't mean TSB's are perfectly equivalent to Dust release in every way. </p>

<p>dust release makes things go into their smallest cellular state. onoki tells that to Karin in right after 'using it on sasuke'. its doenst nullify anything. and tsb has all the chakra natures, after all, so when the 3rd said it was kinda like onoki's dust release, he most probably meant that it 'turns things to dust'. and where was it stated that tsb actually nullify thing? tell me who said it, when, how, and where. </p>

<p>-_- The tsb only working on jutsu thing has also been debunked over and over.Juubitos tsb would erase matter when it didn't reach naruto and co and expanded,Toneris tsb could erase air if you look closely to the fight.Dust release is just a sub power of tsb,tsb has every element including shadow and light. </p>