<p>List goes like this:1 eyed jubbidara madara>8 gates guy with limits,and this time 8 gates guy dosent have limits and now he is stronger than 1 eyed jubbi madara who is more or less equal to toneri.So yeah No limit guy>>>1 eyed madara=toneri>limit guy </p>

<p>okay, makes sense. I agree on this one. no more discussion? hey, how strong would 2 rinne juubidara be compared to the rest? (no shinju) </p>

We never seen 2 eyed madara with no shinju.

<p>that's why im asking. lol imagine kakashi using the 6th gate? that would be awesome. or if sasuke kept his cm... what if nagato had never been sealed, and itachi put a tsukuyomi on him, and then he helped out during the 4th war?! </p>

Back to the topic Guy wins.

<p>Gai never destroyed a tsb.Tsb just doesn't work against senjutsu so obviously it wouldn't work against a guy powered by it (Madara). </p><p>As for speed Gai"s attacks like evening elephant was fast his movement speed was comparable to Madaras. </p><p>This fight is 50/50 but I think toneris attacks are way more lethal </p>

<p>sorry... I get distracted easily.. still think I should lean towards toneri a bit, but since guy gets no damage from the 8th (besides losing chakra), Ill just give it a draw imo. </p>

And again gaaras sand is what protected minato it does erase things out of existence.

<p>I don't get the point form ur last comment, 9 arts. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: I don't get the point form ur last comment, 9 arts. </p> </i></div>
<p>I read that tsb doesn't dissolve things given that it didn't do anything to minatos back but minatos back was protected by Gaaras sand when he teleported Madaras tsb in the might guy vs Madara fight.Youll see remnants of gaaras sand on minatos jacket when the tsb dissolves and Madara turned to kaguya. </p>