<p>Compared any other Tsukuyomi he has used, this was rather subtle, which is the problem. It almost didn't seem like it to be honest. When kid Sasuke or Kakashi were caught in the Tsukuyomi, they suffered endless torture. The Tsukuyomi used on teenage Sasuke seemed to lack the psychological proportion in part due to the torture and distortion of time. We a fact we know he didn't want to kill Sasuke, so we can assume, based on that and the fact that his Tsukuyomi seemed much weaker than before, that Itachi watered it down. Sasuke would've been dead either way. </p>

<p>@Thekillman.@Ravenlot27.@AsianReaper. I can totally agree with your opinions. </p><p>Rachin123. well we also know that was trying to tire out sasuke so in order to get orochimaru out. I mean it wasn't like the same thing but isn't it a much worser treatment? I mean Sasuke usually never feared most things but plucking out a eye of someone while he's fully awake would be quite painful plus scary. And we already knew that it was that exact time that tsukuyomi got broken through, so any torture that was coming was canceled by Sasuke breaking out. I mean why would he do it against a kid and 12 year old sasuke which he feared to do at a 16 year fully sharingan mastered sasuke? </p><p>Your question about the genjustu not having a psychological proportion might be because it was only begining and that he might have not been able to do it. Or what I mostly think is, that it was a whole new level of tsukuyomi torture. I mean what would be more scary? realising(well in his mind) your eyes being plucked and it being used to increase the power of a "evil" brother that betrayed him and killed his whole family and that he sought to kill? or a genjutsu which he had already experienced two times so he could realise that it wasn't real? And anyways what would be the difference? a "spending your sweet whole life with the person you love" tsukuyomi did the samething. the torture thing can even be done by normal sharingans(I think) but the time manipulation is what it mostly deadly for. It was the thing that he broke through. </p>

Well if I'm right after plucking out his eye, Itachi had four eyes and took appearence of a monster? or was it just in the anime?

<p>And anyways Sasuke never noted the tsukuyomi to be weaker, even though he had two previous experience with it that he won't forget. And how exactly are we sure that it wasn't a choice for Itachi. I mean as a pure uchiha sharingan user which he also admitted to having the ability to overcome his Genjutsu? why would he not try to make the genjutsu more real like so he won't be able to notice it? </p><p>I know that your first comment would be that he wasn't trying kill sasuke but he was also trying to extract Orochimaru which he might have wanted to do some kind of jutsu to bring him out first? I mean don't forget that even if he wanted to allow sasuke to win the battle he might have not wanted for him to be possesed by orochimaru. We already know that's possible, since sasuke safely did it by Anko. and Itachi knew alot about orochimaru's jutsu so as a experienced and wise ninja as he is he would try some jutsu to bring him out first. But as we saw his sasuke broke through his tsukuyomi. Without the brain damage that it could cause. And I think there can be this reason too, that he wanted to first tell everything he knows about madara to make him stay away from madara first and then started the tsukuyomi's torture theme. </p><p>@Quakingstar.Well he might have hinted it at the Susanoo thing. The susanoo was actually the only thing that overpowered sasuke, the amaterasu which he escaped and the tsukuyomi(which we are discussing here) he broke through. if he did it in the begining it could have been different to a sharingan sasuke. </p><p>Well it could also be just that he broke out of it and thus he didn't experience the time manipulation. Actually the only proof of Itachi controlling his tsukuyomi's time manipulation was in the novel and that too after getting animated wasn't shown in the anime which already had alot non canon stuff so... </p><p>@Kakashi. If Itachi did a "watered down" version of tsukuyomi just so he could hold back and let sasuke win then why did he even do it on a 12 year old and a 7 year old Sasuke? I mean at those times he actually never thought if he would survive it.....And now after mastering his sharingan? why would he water it down? </p><p>Don't forgot Sasuke was the only one to experience it twice and he never said if it was powered down, I mean he would have noticed it. Even Itachi would know that sasuke would notice a "watered down" tsukuyomi, that is if he could do that. just like Thekillman said tsukuyomi is still a technique not to mention a MS attacking technique, why would it have a watered down choice? for kids? it sole purpose was to defeat/kill the person with a single shot. Even the "spending a good whole life genjutsu" version of it killed the person. I really doubt if a person can lower the power of his technique? </p><p>IMO Sasuke was affected to the same tsukuyomi but was just able to resist it's time manipulation and was able to break through it(even Itachi believed his brother would be able to do it). Theres no real need for him to experience a time manipulation genjutsu that causes time manipulation if he actually broke through it. And there was no curse mark that helped him for it too since we didn't see any mark at all or a mention from both the Zetsus. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>J spencer93 wrote: Um Itachi wasn't trying to kill him. That is actually stated. Not sure why that is even trying to be refuted. </p> </i></div>
<p>My point is that he wasn't exactly holding back. Sure he could've finished Sasuke at certain moments (IE he could've stabbed Sasuke with the Totsuka blade in stead of Orochimaru), but the attacks he used, he wasn't holding back. He burned Sasuke with Amaterasu and only stopped when he thought he was dead (or close to it). He poked Sasuke's eyes out in Tsukuyome. This isn't someone going easy on him. </p><p>So no, he wasn't exactly going easy on Sasuke, other than not finishing when he had the chance. </p>

<p>@BlazeRelease </p><p>What are you even talking about? I never said Itachi should have used the same Tsukuyomi on teenage Sasuke that he used on him when he was a kid. it is possible the Tsukuyomi could have a watered down version. I mean Susanoo those and it's a MS technique. Sasuke experiencing the Tsukuyomi twice doesn't make him an expert, especially considering it was the same exact illusion/memory. And even so, Itachi already made the claim that someone with the Sharingan of the same bloodline could break it, making Sasuke's release from the genjutsu even less impressive. </p><p>@Thekillman </p><p>Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody said Itachi was going easy on him. What we said was he wasn't exactly trying to kill him. </p>

<p>@Thekillman did u read my post?When itachi used it against sasuke when he was 12 years old he did it so sasuke would hate him more and get stronger,when he was 16 itachi wanted sasuke to win. </p>

didn't Itachi used tsukuyome against Sasuke the day he killed his whole clan?I dont remember of that tsukyome doing any kinda of damage to Sasuke.

That was probably to show to him what he did.Pretty much the same as this tsukyomi just far less dangers.

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Rachin123 wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody said Itachi was going easy on him. What we said was he wasn't exactly trying to kill him. </p> </i></div>
<p>The point is that he nevertheless had to push sasuke close to death to even get the results he wanted. This includes nearly killing him with Amaterasu. With Zetsu on watch, it's not like he could go easy on Sasuke with his techniques. Like i said, he didn't follow through his opportunities, but the techniques he used were with the intent to kill, or else he wouldn't be able to push Sasuke to the edge without gathering attention from Zetsu. (I find it highly unlikely that Obito would want Itachi to die, as he still needed to retrieve a few dangerous Jinchuriki). </p><p>I guess it's similar to the fight against Kabuto, where they didn't want to kill him yet had to fight with the intent to kill to even pressure the guy. </p><p>Zetsu said that the Sharigan is still a weapon and Itachi seemed genuinely surprised Sasuke could even break out. Sasuke has copied moves simply by recalling how they worked (IE Lion's barrage). He had Sharingan when he was being Tsukuyome'd. If anyone had the papers to break it, it would be Sasuke. </p><p>As i said before, it's still genjutsu, it can still be broken. Either time dilation was in effect (in that case, Sasuke would have 3 days to break it in a fraction of a second) or Sasuke prevented it from taking hold. (We know Genjutsu can be resisted, so why not the time and space manipulation of Tsukuyome?). </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Rachin123 wrote: </p> And even so, Itachi already made the claim that someone with the Sharingan of the same bloodline could break it, making Sasuke's release from the genjutsu even less impressive.</i></div>
<p>I agree. </p>

<p>I thought Watered down Tsukuyomi meant lesser time dilation. 1 sec being equivalent to a week is a weaker Tsukuyomi than one in which 1 sec of real world is equivalent to a year in genjutsu
I read through most arguments and I quit agree with most of them as they all fit in the scenario. But here are a few conclusion I have made:
Non Uchiha can't even hope to survive this genjutsu. Most of the non uchihas would be dead if they get hit by it. They won't escape no matter what if they get caught.(think abt hashirama, tobirama etc)
Even among the uchihas most won't break, as the required condition was to be close relative. Even if we take EMS madara its highly unlikely he would be able to break it on his first try though perhaps he might become resistant to it on subsequent attempts like sasuke. </p>

<p>It has to be a blood relative such as a sibling and the sibling has to either have a MS, or a Senjutsu boosted Sharingan to break the full force Tsukuyomi, the watered down version can be broke by a strong Sharingan user. Also Sasuke does not need to enter CS2 to use its Senjutsu to boost his Sharingan.. he only needs it to spread a bit across his face.. so he most likely did that in real life to escape the watered down version. </p>