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<p>Actual teacher, not strongest Ninja. I'd like to know what everyone thinks of the others as teachers. It may be hard to judge some based on lack of screen time aka Kurenai, but we can go off some assumptions with her. Also like to see the reasoning behind your choices.
</p><p>1. Might Guy- Guy seems to be the best teacher to me just overall. While Lee was obviously his preferred student it was clear he still trained Neji and TenTen. It showed in the flashback he tried to teach them the gates as well, but Lee was the only one who could do it. His training regime built up his team's strength and he showed excellent judgement. More so then the other three teachers simply because he let his team train for a year to be better prepared for the chuunin exam instead of just throwing them into it after they had barely been genin for a month. If not for Gaara's team I'm pretty sure team Guy would have likely swept the chuunin exams. And don't brink up Naruto beating Neji, Naruto only won due to the fox.
</p><p>2.Asuma- Asuma was a great teacher and friend to Ino-Shika-Cho. The flash backs they had while fighting his edo-tensei form where kinda heartbreaking/warming. He helped Shikimaru be the leader he knew he could be, and Choji get some confidence in his abilities. Really the only thing holding him back from number one is he didn't seem to have taught Ino how to fight on her own. Choji and Shikimaru could fight on their own, but Ino seems to be useless in combat without her sqaudmates.
</p><p>3. Kurenai-Sadly we don't see much of Kurenai or her team. We see a brief image of the aftermath of her apparently strenuous training. We also see her express concerns over Hinata showing she cares for her team. Can't rank her higher then three, because her lack of screen time which is a shame because we hardly see any genjutsu users outside of sharingan users.
</p><p>4. Kakashi is the worst of the teachers out of the four. I don't hate Kakashi this is not a Kakashi bashing thread, but he is not a good teacher. Preshipuuden the only real training he ever did with them as a group was tree climbing training. When Sakura showed she was the best at it, he did nothing with her to help her get stronger. After the Zabuza arc it was painfully obvious Sakura was by far the weakest link on the team and out of the Konoha twelve. Ino at least had her clan abilities to boost her usefulness Sakura had nothing save for mastery of basics and seemingly innate chakra control. Neither of which were taught by Kakashi. It should have been abundantly clear she was not ready for the exam and would only drag the team down, but he went ahead and tossed them into the chuunin exams anyways.
</p><p>He then proceeded to only train Sasuke and utterly ignore the other two. Yes most teachers have their favorite student, but they don't ignore the others. This is a man who has copied a thousand jutsu he could have and should have taught them something for Sakura didn't have a clan nor did Naruto know he was a part of clan nor did he have access to any clan jutsu. Naruto also held a freaking force of nature in his body, so it seemed like a good idea to train your village's strongest asset so he could fight without just relying on brute force and possibly losing control, but no it's all about that golden boy Sasuke.
</p><p>It's only after Shippuden that he helps Naruto train and it's Yamato helping him mainly. He again ignores Sakura, but she has a niche now so it's not as bad when he ignored her before she had any direction. That's why he's the worst teacher to me.
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<p>Yeah, right, like Naruto always used Kurama's full power at once...
He only used it in emergencies only situations and only slightly tapped into his chakra. While somebody like Kiba revolves his whole fighting style around
Akamaru. And again, no, Naruto DID NOT use Kurama against Kiba.During his fight with Kiba, Naruto had Orochimaru's Five Elements Seal, that didn't allow him to use Kurama's chakra, as was stated. So here is your proof that Naruto didn't use Kurama against Kiba. It's also funny, because as far as i remember it as stated that a part of Naruto's chakra was used to keep Kurama in check. He also had Orochimaru's seal, which disturbed Naruto's own chakra as well. And i think in general Naruto had trouble controlling his chakra thanks to Kurama. So it's funny that you blame Naruto for using Kurama's chakra, yet you think it's fine that he had his chakra disturbed and did not even use his full potential thanks surpassing Kurama.
</p><p>As far as the best teacher goes, i don't know. You can put Guy i guess, but i'm not sold on him. Kakashi at least made Sasuke a beast for the third round. He didn't train Naruto during that time, because as we know, Jiraiya told him to leave Naruto's training to him. Sakura was not a part of the third exam because she failed the second one. Other than that, they all received the same training. Also, it wasn't Kakashi's fault that his students left to train with the Sannins for 2-3 years...
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And i think in general Naruto had trouble controlling his chakra thanks to Kurama.
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<p>Nope. There's not a shred of evidence Naruto had trouble controlling his own chakra. Orochimaru's hastily-applied 5-element-seal was screwing him up, but otherwise it was just Naruto's lack of talent and proper training. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Vladosaurus wrote: As far as the best teacher goes, i don't know. You can put Guy i guess, but i'm not sold on him. Kakashi at least made Sasuke a beast for the third round. </p> </i></div>
<p>I don't think Kakashi was a great teacher, but IMHO none of the K12 teachers were. It also seems to me that Kakashi knew his own shortcomings and hence set Naruto up with a different trainer. And while Ebisu had mostly the role of buttmonkey, what little we saw of him showed that he was indeed a good trainer, and that kakashi's decision was indeed correct. </p><p>Though i think that of all the teachers, kakashi was dealt the worst hand. Kakashi was a highly-skilled and intelligent assassination ninja. Sasuke's style fit closest to him, but Naruto and Sakura aren't even remotely similar in pretty much ANY way. Naruto is more of a street smarts and Sakura more of a book smarts type, completely different frm the other two. Asuma's rather generalist style fits his team rather well, the same for Guy's taijutsu focus being good for a Gentle Fist / Tajutsu/Weapons composition. </p>
<p>Nope. There's not a shred of evidence Naruto had trouble controlling his own chakra. Orochimaru's hastily-applied 5-element-seal was screwing him up, but otherwise it was just Naruto's lack of talent and proper training. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Vladosaurus wrote: As far as the best teacher goes, i don't know. You can put Guy i guess, but i'm not sold on him. Kakashi at least made Sasuke a beast for the third round. </p> </i></div>
<p>I don't think Kakashi was a great teacher, but IMHO none of the K12 teachers were. It also seems to me that Kakashi knew his own shortcomings and hence set Naruto up with a different trainer. And while Ebisu had mostly the role of buttmonkey, what little we saw of him showed that he was indeed a good trainer, and that kakashi's decision was indeed correct. </p><p>Though i think that of all the teachers, kakashi was dealt the worst hand. Kakashi was a highly-skilled and intelligent assassination ninja. Sasuke's style fit closest to him, but Naruto and Sakura aren't even remotely similar in pretty much ANY way. Naruto is more of a street smarts and Sakura more of a book smarts type, completely different frm the other two. Asuma's rather generalist style fits his team rather well, the same for Guy's taijutsu focus being good for a Gentle Fist / Tajutsu/Weapons composition. </p>
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<p>@Thekillman Naruto chapter 90, pg. 8. Kakashi states it himself that Kurama makes Naruto's chakra harder to control. I don't make things up.
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@Thekillman Naruto chapter 90, pg. 8. Kakashi states it himself that Kurama makes Naruto's chakra harder to control. I don't make things up.
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<p>Seems to me that he's talking about Kurama's chakra specifically. We already knew that with Kurama's chakra comes Kurama's influence, which makes it hard to control. </p>
<p>Seems to me that he's talking about Kurama's chakra specifically. We already knew that with Kurama's chakra comes Kurama's influence, which makes it hard to control. </p>
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<p>Re-read the whole chapter than. Ibisu was explaining to Naruto why he needs to use more of his chakra in order to perform techniques than Naruto and Sasuke, and that he has bad chakra control. Than Kakashi jumps in with the explanation. He was talking about Naruto having trouble to control his own chakra...it was pretty clear.
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Re-read the whole chapter than. Ibisu was explaining to Naruto why he needs to use more of his chakra in order to perform techniques than Naruto and Sasuke, and that he has bad chakra control. Than Kakashi jumps in with the explanation. He was talking about Naruto having trouble to control his own chakra...it was pretty clear.
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<p>And not long thereafter we learn that the Five Element Seal is screwing up his chakra control, so it seems to me that Kakashi's explanation was speculation. After all, that seal restricted Kurama's chakra, so it seems weird to me that his control would get worse if Kurama's disturbing influence is cut off. </p>
<p>And not long thereafter we learn that the Five Element Seal is screwing up his chakra control, so it seems to me that Kakashi's explanation was speculation. After all, that seal restricted Kurama's chakra, so it seems weird to me that his control would get worse if Kurama's disturbing influence is cut off. </p>
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<p>Give me a break with these poor excuses...that was a general talk they had and it was pretty obvious. Kakashi only saw Naruto fight after he received the seal from Orochimaru against Kiba, where he didn't display anything unusual (in a bad way) than what Kakashi knew about Naruto fighting style and chakra control. So that was a general conclusion on Kakashi's side, and nothing else. And on top of being Kakashi's words, those were Kishimoto's words, so guess what, unlike Kakashi, knew that Naruto had the seal.
And on top of everything, Ebisu did the most explanation and he said first that Naruto has bad chakra control and that he needs to use a larger portion of his chakra than the others. And Ebisu only saw Naruto or Naruto's shadow clones in like the first chapters when there was the whole Konohamaru introduction. So please...
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Give me a break with these poor excuses...that was a general talk they had and it was pretty obvious.
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<p>Naruto does have bad chakra control. But the next chapter, 91, focuses on Jiraiya training Naruto and it includes the fact that Naruto can poorly control Kurama's chakra and that he should learn to control it. If Kurama's influence is so bad for his control as Kakashi says, why does his control increase when Kurama's influence is restored by undoing the 5 elements seal? Which, as Jiraiya clearly says, enables Kurama's and Naruto's chakra to mix? </p><p>If Kakashi's statement is what you say, then undoing the 5 elements seal would make Naruto's control only worse, yet it only made it better. </p><p>Kakashi's words aren't the authors words. Plenty of characters have told lies and half-truths. </p>
<p>Naruto does have bad chakra control. But the next chapter, 91, focuses on Jiraiya training Naruto and it includes the fact that Naruto can poorly control Kurama's chakra and that he should learn to control it. If Kurama's influence is so bad for his control as Kakashi says, why does his control increase when Kurama's influence is restored by undoing the 5 elements seal? Which, as Jiraiya clearly says, enables Kurama's and Naruto's chakra to mix? </p><p>If Kakashi's statement is what you say, then undoing the 5 elements seal would make Naruto's control only worse, yet it only made it better. </p><p>Kakashi's words aren't the authors words. Plenty of characters have told lies and half-truths. </p>
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<p>You got to be kidding...just read on Five Elements Seal page so i won't have to explain it to you. In short, the seal disturbed Naruto's chakra as well because "an odd-numbered seal creates an imbalance when placed on top of an even-numbered seal", as was stated. So, yes, the Five Elements Seal disturbed Naruto's chakra more than Kurama did, so when Naruto had the seal removed, he restored his usual routine and had his chakra control on a Kurama disturbance level again.
And those are the author word, it's quite clearly. Kishimoto wouldn't gone out of his way to make Kakashi say a statement about the main protagonist, Naruto, and the main plot, Kurama, just for it to be half-truth or whatever, especially in part 1. Honestly, i think i provided enough arguments and enough clear evidence regarding the topic for my comments to be considered true.
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<p>Regardless having a tailed beast inside of him carried Naruto through many of his fights. I still think Kiba vs Naruto was one of those fights. Naruto only won cause of a lucky fart cause he didn't plan that, and the ninetails inside him. He only won agaisnt Neji cause of Ninetails, he only survived Sasuke fighting him cause Kurama healed him. He stood no chance against Orichimaru when he went four tails on him. Naruto could have been better if Kakashi had been a better teacher and laid out better ground work for Jiraya to work with.
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