<p>What hints suggests that? People speculating so much about this theory exists much content in youtube social media some people defends so firmly its not true jiraiya another ones yes because recognize that new boy with mask in conclusion i want put cards and talk why this phenomenon can be happen
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for me jiraiya are dead for long time but i dont know why when boruto series its on air in my mind thinks old faces you believe dead now are alive for some reason
</p><p>in case were true jiraya are alive ¿destroys konoha because its manipulated? ¿or its because have anger of vengance from his village?
</p><p>Kishimoto always trolling us and play with our feelings i dont expect in long time watching his content plot twist can twist mind of people
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<p>David Kibasennin wrote:
What the manga wants us to think is: "hey it's Jiraiya!" but it's obviously not, cuz that would simply be bad writing. So the question becomes who else is Kashin Koji, and why do they want us to think its Jiraiya?
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<p>why would that be bad writing? there are hints they clearly left just in case and even Orochimaru made sassy comment about people changing for worse. I am not saying that it has to be Jiraiya but clearly if somehow it turns out to be it could be very interesting to see if True Ninja like can fall to Kara what is its true power? </p>
<p>why would that be bad writing? there are hints they clearly left just in case and even Orochimaru made sassy comment about people changing for worse. I am not saying that it has to be Jiraiya but clearly if somehow it turns out to be it could be very interesting to see if True Ninja like can fall to Kara what is its true power? </p>
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<p>Sorry, I wrote a 6-paragraph response, and now "Poof" it's all gone.
</p><p>To sum it up, good point with the Orochimaru thing.
</p><p>But it's all been done with Obito already. Both the reveal (the obvious hints turn out to be the obvious choice) and what the reveal implies (just like Kakashi discovers everything he believed in was a lie because of Obito and comes to terms that those principles stand on their own without obito being the one to utter them, Naruto would basically go through the same psyhcological journey with Jiraiya, and come to the same conclusion).
</p><p>It's already been done.
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<p>David Kibasennin wrote:
Sorry, I wrote a 6-paragraph response, and now "Poof" it's all gone.
</p><p>To sum it up, good point with the Orochimaru thing.
</p><p>But it's all been done with Obito already. Both the reveal (the obvious hints turn out to be the obvious choice) and what the reveal implies (just like Kakashi discovers everything he believed in was a lie because of Obito and comes to terms that those principles stand on their own without obito being the one to utter them, Naruto would basically go through the same psyhcological journey with Jiraiya, and come to the same conclusion).
</p><p>It's already been done.
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<p>^We don't know for sure. All I am saying is that Jiraiya's change could be interesting story in itself. The whole story will be shaken to the core. The Teacher of World's greatest hero turns out to be villain? Who has actually done that. Yes we have seen several comrade turning evil, But Teacher? Never. So no there is no same journey stuff. Only deep enough philosophy can convince Jiraiya not some half ass story like Madara concocted by toying with people's weakness.(he already has overcome them) That philosophy could be crux to Kawaki and Boruto's fight in the future.(if this storyline were to ever happen)
We don't even know Kara's philosophy to even call them evil. What we do know is there are going to be two sects in Boruto. One is Kara and other is Otsutsuki family. The conflict is going to be three tier way with ninja included in above two groups. </p>
<p>^We don't know for sure. All I am saying is that Jiraiya's change could be interesting story in itself. The whole story will be shaken to the core. The Teacher of World's greatest hero turns out to be villain? Who has actually done that. Yes we have seen several comrade turning evil, But Teacher? Never. So no there is no same journey stuff. Only deep enough philosophy can convince Jiraiya not some half ass story like Madara concocted by toying with people's weakness.(he already has overcome them) That philosophy could be crux to Kawaki and Boruto's fight in the future.(if this storyline were to ever happen)
We don't even know Kara's philosophy to even call them evil. What we do know is there are going to be two sects in Boruto. One is Kara and other is Otsutsuki family. The conflict is going to be three tier way with ninja included in above two groups. </p>
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<p>If people are speculating it is Jirya then they are pretty much not thinking straight. One. His body is under the sea, the pressure there, as stated by Kabuto, is dangerously high, so an edo tensei would be impossible, because the jutsu gives hints of it, the eyes and skin. If it is Jiraya, why would he have a change of view? Why would he decide to turn evil after a student of his changed the world like he wanted? How did he survive the pressure of the ocean? How did he even escape? I think these theory and speculations are from those who want to see Jiraya return and fight Naruto.
</p><p>I doubt it is Jiraya, it is most likely just another Toad summoner who takes up the red tear mark. Like that Kid who was a Killer B fan. Or Gaara son who everyone thought had Shukaku in him.
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<p>Banbutsu Sōzō no Jutsu its the answer
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Banbutsu Sōzō no Jutsu its the answer
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<p>That's another question, who used that jutsu to bring him back? Who has that ability, how did they learn it. </p>
<p>That's another question, who used that jutsu to bring him back? Who has that ability, how did they learn it. </p>
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<p>David Kibasennin wrote:
Sorry, I wrote a 6-paragraph response, and now "Poof" it's all gone.
</p><p>To sum it up, good point with the Orochimaru thing.
</p><p>But it's all been done with Obito already. Both the reveal (the obvious hints turn out to be the obvious choice) and what the reveal implies (just like Kakashi discovers everything he believed in was a lie because of Obito and comes to terms that those principles stand on their own without obito being the one to utter them, Naruto would basically go through the same psyhcological journey with Jiraiya, and come to the same conclusion).
</p><p>It's already been done.
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<p>^We don't know for sure. All I am saying is that Jiraiya's change could be interesting story in itself. The whole story will be shaken to the core. The Teacher of World's greatest hero turns out to be villain? Who has actually done that. Yes we have seen several comrade turning evil, But Teacher? Never. So no there is no same journey stuff. Only deep enough philosophy can convince Jiraiya not some half ass story like Madara concocted by toying with people's weakness.(he already has overcome them) That philosophy could be crux to Kawaki and Boruto's fight in the future.(if this storyline were to ever happen)
We don't even know Kara's philosophy to even call them evil. What we do know is there are going to be two sects in Boruto. One is Kara and other is Otsutsuki family. The conflict is going to be three tier way with ninja included in above two groups. </p> </div> <p>It doesn't matter if Jiraiya is a Teacher or a friend like Obito. The point is, Kakashi learned from Obito. He learned his principles. Just like Naruto learned Jiraiya's. It being Jiraiya will generate the exact same reaction, replace the word "friend" with "teacher" and there you have it. It's un-original, it's déjà-vu. </p><p>Jiraiya is Obito's equivalent on the other side of the chessboard, let's say they're a "bishop" (doesn't matter if that's an accurate simile, my point is let's associate a random chess piece to him). </p><p>Both influence Nagato. One is driven by logic and rationale, the other is an idealistic buffoon a dreamer. Obito says it himself: at the end of the day, it's not Naruto or Minato or Nagato who beat him. It's Jiraiya and his dreamer ways, that made it so that they'd tell him to shut up no matter how much sense he made. </p><p>We've already seen the corruption of a "bishop" piece on this chessboard, with Obito. We don't need to see the corruption of another "bishop" because it's already been done. </p><p>Jiraiya is the figure-head of the Dreamer side. Would it be impactful if he was corrupted? Sure! But guess who else was a key figure-head on the Dreamer side? Obito, who - you guessed it - turns out to be evil. </p><p>
@ Kinglink15 </p><p>We're not speculating if it is or isn't Jiraiya, we're speculating if it being Jiraiya would be good writing or not. </p>
<p>^We don't know for sure. All I am saying is that Jiraiya's change could be interesting story in itself. The whole story will be shaken to the core. The Teacher of World's greatest hero turns out to be villain? Who has actually done that. Yes we have seen several comrade turning evil, But Teacher? Never. So no there is no same journey stuff. Only deep enough philosophy can convince Jiraiya not some half ass story like Madara concocted by toying with people's weakness.(he already has overcome them) That philosophy could be crux to Kawaki and Boruto's fight in the future.(if this storyline were to ever happen)
We don't even know Kara's philosophy to even call them evil. What we do know is there are going to be two sects in Boruto. One is Kara and other is Otsutsuki family. The conflict is going to be three tier way with ninja included in above two groups. </p> </div> <p>It doesn't matter if Jiraiya is a Teacher or a friend like Obito. The point is, Kakashi learned from Obito. He learned his principles. Just like Naruto learned Jiraiya's. It being Jiraiya will generate the exact same reaction, replace the word "friend" with "teacher" and there you have it. It's un-original, it's déjà-vu. </p><p>Jiraiya is Obito's equivalent on the other side of the chessboard, let's say they're a "bishop" (doesn't matter if that's an accurate simile, my point is let's associate a random chess piece to him). </p><p>Both influence Nagato. One is driven by logic and rationale, the other is an idealistic buffoon a dreamer. Obito says it himself: at the end of the day, it's not Naruto or Minato or Nagato who beat him. It's Jiraiya and his dreamer ways, that made it so that they'd tell him to shut up no matter how much sense he made. </p><p>We've already seen the corruption of a "bishop" piece on this chessboard, with Obito. We don't need to see the corruption of another "bishop" because it's already been done. </p><p>Jiraiya is the figure-head of the Dreamer side. Would it be impactful if he was corrupted? Sure! But guess who else was a key figure-head on the Dreamer side? Obito, who - you guessed it - turns out to be evil. </p><p>
@ Kinglink15 </p><p>We're not speculating if it is or isn't Jiraiya, we're speculating if it being Jiraiya would be good writing or not. </p>
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<p>It wouldn't make sense if it was. If it is, it would, in my opinion, not be a good writing, because of the fact that when everything done in the past stated it was near impossible to revive him, somehow he is revived.
</p><p>But I am at least 95% sure it isn't.
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<p>The only scenario where Jiraiya is back that I think would be good writing would be Orochimaru miraculously Edo Tensei-ing him for a day, so that he can show him the Peace Naruto brought as a Hokage.
But that would have to be, like, a Special chapter.
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<p>THAT would be tear-shedding both for Jiraiya and the audience.
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