<p>Yes, it's the same arc, but characters' powers change in arcs. That's like allowing you to use SPSM Naruto in a debate which only includes KCM Naruto because they're part of the same arc. Yes, you clearly said the Sasuke attacking the Five Kage Summit. Sasuke vs Danzo happened after the Five Kage Summit, so it doesn't count, unless if you change the rules to Sasuke vs Danzo rather than Sasuke vs Five Kage Summit. </p><p>No, he dodged her attack and caught her in Toad Oil Blast before she could dodge. </p><p>True, but Jiraiya is a master at evasion techniques. I doubt he couldn't get it off. Nothing implies he can't use it while he's being burned. It's the same thing, except he'd be in pain while doing it. As I said, it's impractical as a defense, but it can still work. </p>

<p>I'll agree on the change part....Nah i said the Sasuke that attacked the 5 kage summit ;_; he's the same guy isn't he? same mangekyou. </p><p>Ah i checked, that's was really laughable for a sannin. The sfx says rolling. Lol...he flipped outta the way and was on the ground ;_;..dont try to make him fast, he remains slow lol. </p><p>Srsyl, he's caught he's done.Get off amaterasu? Nothing implies that he can dude. Pain. The 8 tails was screaming his ass off, unless Jiraiya is better ;_; </p>

so the uchiha win?

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: I'll agree on the change part....Nah i said the Sasuke that attacked the 5 kage summit ;_; he's the same guy isn't he? same mangekyou. </p><p>Ah i checked, that's was really laughable for a sannin. The sfx says rolling. Lol...he flipped outta the way and was on the ground ;_;..dont try to make him fast, he remains slow lol. </p><p>Srsyl, he's caught he's done.Get off amaterasu? Nothing implies that he can dude. Pain. The 8 tails was screaming his ass off, unless Jiraiya is better ;_; </p> </i></div>
<p>Same Mangekyou and same guy, but the difference is that Sasuke is more experienced with the MS when fighting Danzo. </p><p>Yeah, he was rolling to avoid the attack. How is it laughable? </p><p>Yeah, the Eight Tails was on fire for several panels, but it still wasn't dead. Jiraiya could use Boss Summons to block the attack or block it with the toad mouth/stomach. If he's a Sage, he can sense when the attack is about to go off and counter. </p>

<p>'-' </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: Same Mangekyou and same guy, but the difference is that Sasuke is more experienced with the MS when fighting Danzo. </p> </i></div>
<p>I don;t think you noticed, but the post was actually edited 5 days ago. @Naishikene commanded. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: Yeah, he was rolling to avoid the attack. How is it laughable? </p> </i></div>
<p>Don't stray away from the point, that he's slow lol ;_; </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: Yeah, the Eight Tails was on fire for several panels, but it still wasn't dead. </p> </i></div>
<p>Well several panels wouldn't matter for Jiraiya since he's not as big as Gyuki. The point is the tailed beast was screaming, you're acting as if Jiraiya is raikage level when it comes to pain tolerance. He's done if amaterasu hits. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: Jiraiya could use Boss Summons to block the attack or block it with the toad mouth/stomach. </p> </i></div>
<p>Unless the toads are as fast as Ay then yea it'll work ;_; (reminder: they're not) don't see toad stomach helping if the amaterasu is on Jiraiya himself '-'7 </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: </p>

If he's a Sage, he can sense when the attack is about to go off and counter.

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<p>Yes, this is probably the only way he can evade ;_; but the question is, will he even enter sage mode. And exactly why won't Itachi's genjutsu stomp him? '-' it stomped Orochimaru and Orochimaru is hell stronger and Intelligent than Jiraiya.... </p>

<p>@Jason What changed? The OP still says it's the Sasuke that attacked the Summit. </p><p>I'm not. You're the one who brought up he was rolling. I'm asking how that makes him slow. he dodged hundreds of paper spears from Konan. </p><p>Sage Mode enhances endurance, so I'm pretty sure that even though Amaterasu is obviously very deadly, Jiraiya would be able to tolerate it at least a little bit. </p><p>I meant Jiraia would summon the toads before it hits because SM enhances reaction. Same applies to toad stomach. </p><p>Orochimaru is not stronger than Jiraiya. Genjutsu won't work on Jiraiya because he can fight with sensing. If he has intel on Genjutsu, he'll fight that way. Not to mention, Ma and Pa can break him out. As I said, he entered SM in less than one Manga chapter while he was under constant pressure from Animal Pain. </p>

<p>'-' </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: @Jason What changed? The OP still says it's the Sasuke that attacked the Summit. </p> </i></div>
<p>Look for <i>EDIT</i> </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: I'm not. You're the one who brought up he was rolling. I'm asking how that makes him slow. he dodged hundreds of paper spears from Konan. </p> </i></div>
<p>Dude just take a look at the action used in dodging '-' (rolling😂)....and compare that to any of the uchiha's. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: </p>

• Sage Mode enhances endurance, so I'm pretty sure that even though Amaterasu is obviously very deadly, Jiraiya would be able to tolerate it at least a little bit.

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<p>Where was that ever stated? ;_; dude, again unless he's the 4th raikage there is no <i>tolerating</i> amaterasu. Besides he's still a goner if it hits and it most definitely will ;_; </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: I meant Jiraiya would summon the toads before it hits because SM enhances reaction. Same applies to toad stomach. </p> </i></div>
<p>Jiraiya sacrificing a toad? doesnt seem like Jiraiya ;_; so instead of dodgin he'll weave a sign and summon a toad instead? smart.....not. He'll be done for at the <i>sign weaving</i> part. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: Orochimaru is not stronger than Jiraiya. Genjutsu won't work on Jiraiya because he can fight with sensing. If he has intel on Genjutsu, he'll fight that way. </p> </i></div>
<p>Dude you seem like a Jiraiya wanker now.... He first met Itachi at the inn...guess what? he stared itachi directly in the eyes.And i remember Minato being a sensor..on that team. Jiraiya only becomes a sensor in sage mode...and guess what he failed to sense the path that was like right behind him!! that was before his arm got ripped off. And do enlighten me on how Jiraiya is stronger than Orochimaru, in terms of feats and jutsu's,Orochimaru stomps. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: Not to mention, Ma and Pa can break him out. As I said, he entered SM in less than one Manga chapter while he was under constant pressure from Animal Pain. </p> </i></div>
<p>Ma and Pa can break him out if he get's into sage mode.....now why is genjutsu included on SM Jiraiya only? you said base jiraiya wont get caught, so why would sm jiraiya get caught? you're completely putting this in Jiraiya's favour. And Itachi defeated Orochimaru in one page...Jiraiya can't even do shit to Orochimaru. Also Gamaken did most of the work there 😝, there will be no gamaken here as he'll get one shotted with susanoo arrow, or amaterasu o__o Minato is the wild card of that team.....Itachi, Madara , sasuke..are all wild cards ;_O Also keep in mind, itachi's genjutsu are undetectable by sensors. </p>

<p>@Jason Edit says all MS abilities are allowed. Susano'o is an MS ability. Different stages do not equate to different MS abilities, so the edit doesn't change anything. </p><p>If it's necessary to "roll", he'll roll to dodge the attack. That's like saying it's pathetic to duck when somebody is shooting at you. </p><p>SM enhances physical strength (as clearly demonstrated with Pa and Naruto), and endurance is a part of physical strength. </p><p>Okay, if we're taking into account character, then he wouldn't sacrifice a toad. If it's not in character, he would if he absolutely has to to survive. But if we're taking character into account, why would Itachi fight Jiraiya? </p><p>Yeah, back in Part 1, where the Eighth Gate was only slightly stronger than Hokage. </p><p>You know what else happened in Part 1? Itachi and Kisame ran away from Jiraiya. In base... </p><p>Jiraiya can use the sensory barrier without SM. </p><p>Because he was literally sneak attacked after he thought he won the battle. Ma and Pa, two master Sages, were also unable to sense that path. Plus, Nagato is a God at Chakra sensories. It was stated during the Leaf Village attack that he was constantly changing Chakra frequencies, which made it so that not even the best sensors in Konoha could sense him. Naruto in SM had to stab himself with a Chakra Rod and had to be relatively close to his hideout in order to sniff out his location. </p><p>Okay, I'm not talking about full powered Jiraiya vs Orochimaru. I'm talking about SM Jiraiya vs the Orochimaru that fought Itachi, because that's the context. What has Orochimaru got against Sound Genjutsu? Orochimaru doesnt have Edo tensei since he didn't use that against Itachi. If abasic Paralysis Genjutsu defeated him, I'm pretty sure Sound Genjutsu which defeated three Paths of Pain would also defeat him. </p><p>When did I say base Jiraiya couldn't get caught in Genjutsu? It's definitely a possibility, although I don't think it's very high if he has knowledge. Again, Susano'o Arrow isn't included here, although amaterasu would. Jiraiya still, even without Gamaken, has 2 (at minimum) other Boss Summons. Itachi and Sasuke can't spam Amaterasu. Jiraiya can hide inside of a toad, turn 2D, summon Frog Stomach, and use Shadow Clones. Can you give me a feat of Itachi's Genjutsu undetectable by sensors? </p>

<p>None of them can use their MS for long and Minato is enough for them since they can't catch him and they all have to hide in their susanoos or else. If B could've killed Minato at that time he wouldve. Minato just wanted to prove a point and he didnt even look at B's weapon who would miss an opportunity to stab the yellow flash? </p><p>This fight cant be won in an instant by the uchiha and thats their downfall since dragging the fight means using their MS more to survive the onslaught. The MS madara when alive isnt that strong and if tobirama's hiraishin worked on his equal I'm sure an upgrade will do better on Madara. </p><p>A susanoo isnt fast as a kage speed, its natures law I dont think it'll be wise for them using them in fight but mainly their shields and they can be broken by a sage powered rasengan. Dont compare edo enhanced madaras susanoo with normal susanoo. Sasuke's susanoo showed it could be damaged by powerful with jutsu by danzo </p>

Madara's team wins. Madara's eyes are one of the best he can deal powerful Genjutsu to the enemy. Sasuke has showed Genjutsu subtleness and timing to catch a Kage Level off guard. Itachi has shown casting Genjutsu undetected by highly skilled sensors like the SA Team. He could catch team with it and end this battle quickly. I dont see this battle proceeding further than Genjutsu.