<p>'-' </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: That wasn't the Humanoid Susano'o. You can see it had a skeleton. His Humanoid Susano'o seems to have a robe and has no skeleton. </p> </i></div>
<p>Woah my bad. That was definitely skeletal susanoo ;o; ._...in the opening post i stated <i>the sasuke that attacked the 5 kage summit</i> that would also include the sasuke that fought Danzo, so stage 2 susanoo is in the game o_o </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: Jiraiya and Kakashi in base can still be debated. The only thing is that Jiraiya in base has no speed feats. However, if we go by hype, it certainly does seem that having the name of Legendary Sannin is greater than Kakashi's title. </p> </i></div>
<p>Going by hype won't be fair, let's go with what we've seen and read...Kakashi>>Jiraiya (speed) </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: True, but Jiraiya does have the Fire Sealing Scroll. It's impractical as a defense, but it can still be used. Jiraiya can counter Susano'o with Swamp of the Underworld. </p> </i></div>
<p>If Jiraiya is caught with Amaterasu there isn't much he can do,especially using the scroll, he'll he covered in pain and besides that scroll needs alot of work, Jiraiya had to write a whole lot of formula's on it, then perform his seal...He would be dead already if caught. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: Care to explain how Hiruzen and Minato destroy Obito and Madara? </p> </i></div>
<p>Well considering his chakra pool he can maintain susanoo for a long while, and it's hard for either of Minato and especially Hiruzen to touch him. And him having knowledge on FTG here makes it worse....i'll say otherwise then. </p>

<p>@Jason of the Mangekyou Danzo left the Five Kage Summit though. The Summit was held in the Land of Iron. You can clearly see that Danzo and Sasuke fought in an area with no snow, so it wasn't the Land of Iron. </p><p>Okay, but Jiraiya certainly isn't slow in base. He was able to dodge hundreds of Konan's Paper Spears and drown her in Toad Oil before she could react. </p><p>True, but he wrote the formulas in just a panel in the Manga. And even then, we know Kakashi and Jiraiya are fighting together. The OP says they have knowledge on Amaterasu, so I don't see why Jiraiya wouldn't make the formulas as soon as the fight began. And nothing implies that he can't continuously use the seal, so if he gets the seal off, Amaterasu is pretty much a non factor unless if Itachi and Sasuke hit him before he's able to form the Hand Seal. If Jiraiya enters SM, his reactions and reflexes as well as sensing are greatly amplified, which can help him a lot against Amaterasu. </p>

<p>To be honest I can't really say this is one of those case where you can say so and so stomps. MS Madara has virtually no feats realistically, Obito would likely have to retool his fighting style as he can't spam Kamui and there are just so many factors that really doesn't make the outcome of this hypothetical a clear and cut case of who stomps. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Vladosaurus wrote: The best match-ups that i could come up with: </p><p>-Minato vs Itachi (Minato wins but i expect to be debated hardly on this one) </p><p>-Madara vs Hiruzen(Madara depite him having only MS) </p><p>- Obito vs Kakashi (Obito gets wrecked, he has probably a more limited access to Kamui than Kakashi, he also doesn`t have wood release nor healing or durability and he is also a kid) </p><p>- Sasuke vs Jiraiya (debatable 50-50). </p><p>If Minato were to fight Madara afterwards he would beat him. Sasuke won`t hold up to everybody. So team Minato wins in my opinion. </p> </i></div>
<p>Madara stomps hiruzen (no doubt) obito stomps kakashi (uchiha's sharingan vs non-uchiha's sharingan) minato vs itachi (pretty much equal.) sasuke vs jiraiya, tough one, but I would go for jiraiya. </p>

<p>'-' </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: @Jason of the Mangekyou Danzo left the Five Kage Summit though. The Summit was held in the Land of Iron. You can clearly see that Danzo and Sasuke fought in an area with no snow, so it wasn't the Land of Iron. </p> </i></div>
<p>True m8 but it's the sasuke that attacked the 5 kage summit, it's the same sasuke,and that was during the same arc. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: Okay, but Jiraiya certainly isn't slow in base. He was able to dodge hundreds of Konan's Paper Spears and drown her in Toad Oil before she could react. </p> </i></div>
<p>I thought he countered with fire release, or maybe im wrong. </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>It's Not Johnny wrote: True, but he wrote the formulas in just a panel in the Manga. And even then, we know Kakashi and Jiraiya are fighting together. The OP says they have knowledge on Amaterasu, so I don't see why Jiraiya wouldn't make the formulas as soon as the fight began. And nothing implies that he can't continuously use the seal, so if he gets the seal off. </p> </i></div>
<p>The actually skipped the part where he writes the formula. And nothing hints he can use it whilst being burnt with amaterasu, besides sasuke's flame control could prove to be more deadly. Also to use the seal he must weave a sign then it'll work. So that's a no go. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Vinuth123 wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>Vladosaurus wrote: The best match-ups that i could come up with: </p><p>-Minato vs Itachi (Minato wins but i expect to be debated hardly on this one) </p><p>-Madara vs Hiruzen(Madara depite him having only MS) </p><p>- Obito vs Kakashi (Obito gets wrecked, he has probably a more limited access to Kamui than Kakashi, he also doesn`t have wood release nor healing or durability and he is also a kid) </p><p>- Sasuke vs Jiraiya (debatable 50-50). </p><p>If Minato were to fight Madara afterwards he would beat him. Sasuke won`t hold up to everybody. So team Minato wins in my opinion. </p> </i></div>
<p>Madara stomps hiruzen (no doubt) obito stomps kakashi (uchiha's sharingan vs non-uchiha's sharingan) minato vs itachi (pretty much equal.) sasuke vs jiraiya, tough one, but I would go for jiraiya. </p> </div> <p>Kakashi is adult while Obito is a kid and doesn`t have Hashirama`s cells. Which means no body enhancement, no healing, no surviving powerful attacks, no unlimited use of Kamui, no large chakra pool. Obito gets simply wrecked. </p>

Maybe if Obito had both his Sharingan he'd be alright but seeing as he's up against Kakashi who is equipped with Kamui I guess it's just the one Mangekyo plus his spare eye for Izanagi.

<p>Yes, it's the same arc, but characters' powers change in arcs. That's like allowing you to use SPSM Naruto in a debate which only includes KCM Naruto because they're part of the same arc. Yes, you clearly said the Sasuke attacking the Five Kage Summit. Sasuke vs Danzo happened after the Five Kage Summit, so it doesn't count, unless if you change the rules to Sasuke vs Danzo rather than Sasuke vs Five Kage Summit. </p><p>No, he dodged her attack and caught her in Toad Oil Blast before she could dodge. </p><p>True, but Jiraiya is a master at evasion techniques. I doubt he couldn't get it off. Nothing implies he can't use it while he's being burned. It's the same thing, except he'd be in pain while doing it. As I said, it's impractical as a defense, but it can still work. </p>

<p>I'll agree on the change part....Nah i said the Sasuke that attacked the 5 kage summit ;_; he's the same guy isn't he? same mangekyou. </p><p>Ah i checked, that's was really laughable for a sannin. The sfx says rolling. Lol...he flipped outta the way and was on the ground ;_;..dont try to make him fast, he remains slow lol. </p><p>Srsyl, he's caught he's done.Get off amaterasu? Nothing implies that he can dude. Pain. The 8 tails was screaming his ass off, unless Jiraiya is better ;_; </p>

so the uchiha win?