<p>look, rachin, u and asian have been here longer than pretty much any of the other people who use the vs battles, and im sure that u dont want this to just go away, so u understand when i say that im not in the best mood about it, hence me wanting to rush this to a solid conclusion, whether for better or for worse. </p>

<p>@Lorenzo </p><p>I would appreciate it if you didn't speak for me. If you read my previous post, you would know that I said I was neutral. </p><p>Edit: I also can't imagine you even joining this kind of thread, considering that you are literally one of the ones who are responsible for making vs threads so toxic. Trying to keep up for you to do what? To continue on attacking people when you get mad at a disagreement. </p>

<p>i literally said (or meant) the opposite. i want to keep it of course, so im gonna try to not ruin it either... and sorry i guess. i see u in pretty much all vs battles around, so i assumed wrongly, i guess. </p>

<p>With the removal of the VS debates, you won't be taking the problem out, but rather force all the spammers, trolls and whatever word fits them into the other threads. Yes, other threads also have fights, sometimes as ugly as the VS ones. And so, it depends on the person, situation and mindset he has. Not the VS Forum. And for arguement's sake, your(OP) post had to be completely edited to fit the right standards you wanted everyone to keep.... No offence but I can't help to say that. So, you should know that fights will happen and can happen anywhere. Removing the one place they can discuss their hearts out will result them to spread all ovet the other threads and who knows what could happen. long story short, punish the bad ones, not everyone. Kick out the trolls. As simple as that. </p><p>Plus, I would think the VS debates for some troll-ish posters have become their owm personal place to blow out their steam and scream and swear at someone over petty issues. But sometimes people lose their cool(Like I did, once or twice), that's reasonable, and it can happen anywhere to anyone, but people who can't tolerate a mere disagreement should stay away from debates. </p><p>Well, that's atleast what I think. </p>

<p>i kinda agree. but like rachin said, im just as toxic as anybody out there, but im not trollish. quite on the contrary- ive had whole threads made about me because i wanted to seriously discuss a topic, whom the majority of the people disagreed with. i even made a thread to try dealing with trolls and problem causers, but not even that worked, since people never listen, nor do they seem to have common sense. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: i kinda agree. but like rachin said, im just as toxic as anybody out there, but im not trollish. quite on the contrary- ive had whole threads made about me because i wanted to seriously discuss a topic, whom the majority of the people disagreed with. i even made a thread to try dealing with trolls and problem causers, but not even that worked, since people never listen, nor do they seem to have common sense. </p> </i></div>
<p>Yet another attack. This is exactly why people want to get rid of vs threads. </p>

<p>of course this wouldve been turned around lol ahh, how did i not see this coming? if that was exactly why u wanted the vs threads shut down, then u might as well shut down the whole wiki, since saying someone is illogical is gonna keep happening for the rest of time my man, vs threads being a thing or not. </p>

That's not the point. You are toxic in the vs threads. You don't partake in the main part of the wiki like at all. Saying someone doesn't have common sense because they don't want to listen to you for whatever reason is childish and arrogant of you.

<p>@Lorenzo and @Rachin </p><p>Please let's not make this about specific users. Let's have a discussion about what can be implemented. </p>

<p>@Ninja Of War </p><p>Toxic users are the reason for this movement to even occur. @Lorenzo is one of them. I ain't say anything but explained to the guy that he is part of the cause. He further proved my point by saying that we don't have common sense. Anyway, whether it be implemented or not, it is what it is. I'm neutral. I just wish that if we keep it, we be way more strict and not so lenient. </p>