What if there were a kekkei tota sharingan that could copy kekkei genkai? How could it be manifested? Feel free to post your ideas and thoughts!
What if there were a kekkei tota sharingan that could copy kekkei genkai? How could it be manifested? Feel free to post your ideas and thoughts!
OP: It really wouldn't be the Sharingan or Sharingan-like at all, at that point. Sharingan watches someone's body to precisely mimic what they can do. It doesn't even give them access to elements they don't have normally.
It'd be much more like that kinjutsu that was used in one of the Naruto movies where the villain would steal bloodlines and incorporate them into himself.
General: Elemental natures are not explained very well in the series, and the creation of new "Kekkei" terms doesn't help. We know that anyone can learn any chakra nature, as Shikamaru taught everyone in the Fourth war the basics of Earth release in a matter of moments. We also know that you can learn to combine two elemental natures into a more advanced element, as it is stated that the third Kazekage learned to do this by watching Shukaku.
We also know that all of the third Kazekage's descendents were born with the Magnet Release kekkei genkai. I would infer from this that advanced chakra natures are treated as bloodlines because they are inherited genetically (just like any chakra nature; ex; Uchiha and fire), but that doesn't mean that they cannot be created by those who possess the proper base elemental affinities.
I'm not saying you're wrong. Just that Kekkei Tota is unnecessary and further confuses an already muddled area of the lore, since Magnet Release is not a Kekkei Tota, but was obviously learned by the third Kazekage.
Chakra natures just weren't explained that well, and it'll probably always leave wiggle room for people to argue their point of view. I just kind of accept it as a flaw in the story and try not to dwell too hard on the element thing.
Drawingblank2014 wrote: but was obviously learned by the third Kazekage.
You confuse learning how to use it vs learning how to have it. You (normally) always have two legs, but you have to learn how to walk, right? Same with the kekkei genkai. You (and others) are putting too much emphasis on the word "learning".
Seelentau wrote:
You confuse learning how to use it vs learning how to have it. You (normally) always have two legs, but you have to learn how to walk, right? Same with the kekkei genkai. You (and others) are putting too much emphasis on the word "learning".
I have trouble accepting that as truth, because of how obtuse it really is when you look at it from an objective standpoint. Most who are born with kekkei genkai in the series develop their powers fairly early, and have family that are aware of those powers.
The idea that some guy was sitting on a rock, watching a monster do its thing, and went "Oh crap, I bet I can do that too." and suddenly discovered he had the same powers as the monster is a hard pill to swallow.
You're probably right, now that I'm going back and looking at the entry for the Third Kazekage and Magnet Release and stuff. However, this knowledge doesn't make the way elements or element bloodlines work any clearer.
I can just repeat what I'm always saying: When we have new information that fits in with the old information, why willingly interpret it in a way that makes it not fit in with the old information?
And what's unclear to you?
I mean, both interpretations work. Learning how to use Magnet, and learning to possess Magnet. I just find the idea of the Kage learning to mingle two basic elements into an advanced element easier to believe than suddenly discovering he possessed a bloodline that was identical to a tailed beast's. (But I do submit, the wording in the data books suggests the latter.)
The issues with elements come from a lot of things, but the biggest issue is that it wasn't big enough to the story and Kishimoto did Naruto for 14 years. At some points he said training for elements can take years, at some points he said even the best Jonin rarely had 3. Then at some points he has Shikamaru teach hundreds of ninja how to use Earth Release in a matter of minutes.
For the author, the elements aren't a huge part of the story and are really just a small piece of the plot. It's we fans who feel compelled to try and piece together the bits of information he wrote (sometimes years apart) and combine them into a cohesive whole.
All in all, it's a small gripe. I mean, Toriyama forgot Super Saiyan 2 existed altogether. By that standard Kishimoto barely forgot anything.
I doubt that those with kekkei genkai for a combined nature can use it the moment they are born. In my opinion, all the combined nature kekkei genkai users first had to learn the basic natures and only then they discovered that they can combine them, imo.
Exactly. Besides, how would Rasa learn how to use Magnet Release from Shukaku anyway? It's not like they sat down for some lessons. What he learned wasn't how to combine natures, but how to use Magnet Release as a means to move sand/gold dust. So as I said, don't think too literal about Rasa "learning" Magnet Release.