<p>Chapter 550 pg 15. Nagato runs ahead and gets behind killer bee. Killer bee enters v2 and swipes down at nagato, and nagato dodges as killer bee hits the ground, shown in the manga and anime. Nagato couldn't dodge the lariat but, it's debatable because he clearly also wanted to absorb killer bee's chakra, rendering a desire to dodge there not as necessary. From the looks of it, killer bee hit him with the lariat, and nagato only started absorbing in the next panel. So that would indicate that killer's bee speed was faster than the activation of the preta barrier?? Mind you though, that was Nagato without any rocket boosters, which I'll come back to later in this post. </p><p>The reason I see it as impressive I guess is also because most of the top tier Ninjas in naruto all have incredible reaction times and reflexes, even if they are on the slow side in terms of running speed. Nagato isn't special in terms of running speed, but I personally believe that Nagato could react to a top speed blitz from V2 ayy for example, which is a big deal. V2 ayy is a like a solid benchmark for speed, he is only outclassed by the minato tobirama, and god tiers pretty much). Unless you think the Raikage's absolute speed would dominate nagato, I beleive nagato could react to him, shinra tensei him away, and from there nagato's arsenal is far too varied and hax'd for Ayy to deal with, I see ayy getting caught by the chameleon, having his raiton armor absorbed, being sealed in chibaku tensei, etc. The potential fact that someone at the level of Nagato couldn't react to the totsuka blade is a big deal for me, which is why I have been looking for solid counterarguments to the point. The totsuka blade is still a legendary item. It has incredible hype behind it, and so far, it hasn't let itachi down. Scaling the totsuka blade's thrust to being faster than V2 Ayy would be a big deal. But it also is speculatory because I'm not sure if nagato can react to V2 Ayy or not at the moment. </p><p>And Here is the other thing about Nagato. While his legs are messed up, We have seen the ashura path can generate rocket boosters on the feet Chapter 430 pg 16. So the thing is, nagato clearly couldn't move an inch in the time it took for totsuka blade to seal him. Even if kabuto for some reason thought it wasn't worth it to attempt to absorb totsuka blade because it's a spiritual item, and similiarly, if Deva path was on cool down, surely, attempting to move Nagato would be the next common sense thing to do. None of that happened, so it would still constitute a speed feat, though I suppose it isn't quite as impressive given that Nagato isn't exactly top tier in physical movement speed, even with rocket booster support. But still, given the distance Nagato is from the smokescreen, it still is a decent speed feat. </p><p>Fair point about Orochimaru. Before Chapter 551 came out, I would have agreed with you 100 percent that it didn't have a solid speed feat, other than the fact that it did seem to abruptly cut off orochimaru's speech. But with Chapter 551 also in the midst, it does really seem like the blade is incredibly fast, even if we give nagato the full benefit of the doubt and claim that both preta path and shinra tensei weren't viable choices. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>CombatIQmatters wrote: @Duviee. </p><p>I'm confident that Team Orochimaru can deal with yakasa matagama, but that isn't the issue. Itachi has shown one of his combos to be yakaska matagama as a diversion , into totsuka blade as the finisher. Totsuka blade one shots each of these opponents once it connects, so their immortality is ignored here. Have you not seen it sealing EDO TENSEI Nagato away? Orochimaru can summon as many rashomon gates as he wants. When the matagama collide and detonate, they will explode, creating a large smokescreen. What is konan gonna do during that time? She isn't versatile, all she can do is send paper projectiles and throw paper bombs. Kimimaro is more versatile than she is, but even he is primarily a close range fighter. The totsuka blade itself is incredibly fast when it is used as a piercing move, I highly suggest you take a relook at at chapter 551 pg 14. Nagato, the third ridoku, despite being juiced up gyuki chakra, could not register a mental reaction to the speed of the totsuka blade. So orochimaru blocks the matagama for his teammates using rashomon, the beads explode, and a smokescreen ensues, and orochimaru is dying to the totsuka blade. Now,I like orochimaru's character, but he isn't reacting to a technique as fast as totsuka when it's gonna be very difficult to see coming in the first place. </p><p>The only ranged technique that will be useful for kimimaro is his Bracken Dance, and I'm sure he will use it, but Itachi can simply jump away from that , protect himself with susano'o in mid air, then chakra walk/hop from bone to bone. With the sharingan, the fact he knows what to expect from kimimaro, and incredible reflexes and jumping speed, it shouldn't be an issue. </p><p>
Also, where is it stated that the matagama is made of fire? Also, fire beats wind in naruto, not the other way around, though in real life you would be right. </p><p>Furthermore, I think you are underestimating how powerful susano'o is as a defense. </p><p>Lol, let's get give you some insight into itachi's crows, because his crows are clearly S rank ninja animals. Chapter 387 pg 12. Itachi's crows after dispersing from a crow clone stunned hebi sasuke, allowing Itachi to catch sasuke in tsykuyomi. Chapter 580 pg 12-15. Itachi's crows stun sage mode kabuto and allow itachi to easily cut his horn off, and that wasn't the only time it happened. I suggest you rewatch that whole fight. orochimaru, even in sage mode, isn't responding to itachi's crows, nor itachi's follow up attack, and he isn't substituting out, itachi is faster than he is. </p><p>We have already seen Itachi is capable of orchestrating an entire battle, that's what he has done in almost every fight he has been in , lmao. His entire fight with sasuke was scripted from beginning to the end, people just downplay his intelligence. It's not that he is omniscient, he obviously isn't, he is just better than most other characters in the series at what he does. Orochimaru's intelligence is mostly in the development of jutsu and the study of the natural world, which has granted him immortality and a wide range of jutsu, but not as an in battle tactician. When it comes to battle, he is more experienced than he is intelligent. He is certainly the strongest of the Sannin, I'll give you that. </p> </i></div>
<p>To the smoke cloud thing, That would betoken that the smoke cloud Would be astronomically immense enough to Even Circumvent the team. I dont know how sizably voluminous its smoke clouds are? And what can konan do? oh i dont know Become paper? tens of thousands of separate sheets of paper Flying in hundreds of seperate directions. thats what she could do, again it seems you're Discounting anything an enemy can do And saying itachi would hit them with the sword and gg, they couldnt dodge. And you're saying that Once the bead hits a rashomoun the smoke that might or might not transpire, Would magically aerially circumvent the Gargantuan and long Barrier, then Pass around the Cyclopean and long barrier behind that one, and then to the third abaft the one, and cover The enemy team... Veraciously Scripting a fight, and things that wouldnt transpire arent getting you anywhere. </p><p>A jutsu of the same kind, Yasaka magamata Emanates from blaze release category, So around fire. Anyways. </p><p>And no. Fire does not naturally beat Wind in naruto. Show me proof to this. If you shoot a fire jutsu of (lets use numerals) a puissance of 3/10 and a wind jutsu at the puissance of 3/10 the wind will win because wind pushes Fire that doesnt have a form, Simply. Not its different, if the fire is 6/10 while the wind is 3/10 Then the Fire would win. But naturally no, fire would not acquire victory. </p><p>
About your crow conversation, i'm not sure what you're saying? Are the clones composed of Crows? or what. Anyways orochimaru is insanely sturdy like i've expressed not only can he just oral renaissance himself from damage, but to damage him in the first place is prodigiously arduous. okay- A few crows fly at him? hell lets express hundreds, *MANDA*, or *EXTREMELY ASTRONOMICALLY IMMENSE SNAKES*, or *LITERALLY ANY JUTSU THAT CAN KILL SOME CROWS* etc. incase you are saying the clones abaft him are those puissant crows then, refer to my anterior replication about Substitution which is a thing that subsists. </p><p>I concur with you at the cessation, itach is very perspicacious but we're not itachi dolefully, so we wouldnt be able to orchestrate out the fight the way he would. We can merely make posits which would probably be entirely erroneous, and to integrate on. We can genuinely Script out the entire battle because again, we arent itachi, orochimaru Konan etc. WE dont have their minds We couldnt express They would do this! or this. We can at most Say they might? and whatever. </p>

Itachi's crow clones reform as soon as they are destroyed btw

<div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: Itachi's crow clones reform as soon as they are destroyed btw </p> </i></div>
<p>Exactly my point. The crows are overpowered because they can stun perfect sages, and then they can instantly reform as a clone, which can cast Itachi's basic genjutsu and presumably weaker ninjutsu. So they are solid for diversions and their low chakra cost is a great feature for someone who has low stamina like Itachi does. @Duviee, my point is that the crows will stun orochimaru just like it did to kabuto in the canon. Manda won't save him from that. Also, you underestimate the sharingan. Orochimaru can summon as many rashomon gates as he wants. The yakasa bead isn 't fire, the yakasa beads you are talking about are a variant of amaterastu that is exclusive to sasuke, not itachi. The beads will explode. The sharingan has been proven to be capable of seeing through surfaces, and Itachi is smart, quick, and good at spatial reasoning. He can launch the blade to where orochimaru is standing. and send in a crow clone as a diversion to guarantee it lands. When has konan shown the ability to immediately summon thousands of paper bombs? where was that ability against Jiraiya? her large paper bomb summonings will require prep time, and nothing short of her largest collections are doing anything to susano'o. and lol, the point is that they can't react to the blade because it's too fast. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>CombatIQmatters wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>FlatZone wrote: Itachi's crow clones reform as soon as they are destroyed btw </p> </i></div>
<p>Exactly my point. The crows are overpowered because they can stun perfect sages, and then they can instantly reform as a clone, which can cast Itachi's basic genjutsu and presumably weaker ninjutsu. So they are solid for diversions and their low chakra cost is a great feature for someone who has low stamina like Itachi does. @Duviee, my point is that the crows will stun orochimaru just like it did to kabuto in the canon. Manda won't save him from that. Also, you underestimate the sharingan. Orochimaru can summon as many rashomon gates as he wants. The yakasa bead isn 't fire, the yakasa beads you are talking about are a variant of amaterastu that is exclusive to sasuke, not itachi. The beads will explode. The sharingan has been proven to be capable of seeing through surfaces, and Itachi is smart, quick, and good at spatial reasoning. He can launch the blade to where orochimaru is standing. and send in a crow clone as a diversion to guarantee it lands. When has konan shown the ability to immediately summon thousands of paper bombs? where was that ability against Jiraiya? her large paper bomb summonings will require prep time, and nothing short of her largest collections are doing anything to susano'o. and lol, the point is that they can't react to the blade because it's too fast. </p> </div> <p>A moiety of your argument is that a C ranked Clone jutsu will Plenarily stun 3 s ranked ninja, One of them being a Sannin ranked at hokage level. um. And your main reasoning is because it stunned a sage kabuto. yea its a brobdingnagian blast of light? last time i checked being a sage doesnt resist your eyes aegis to An astronomically immense flash of light lol. most things you bring up To praise attacks, arent feats at all. Sorry but they just wouldnt work. I rewatched the kabuto battle and the Clone ran at kabuto. kabuto stabbed it and it exploded into lots of light and crows so he got stunned. Naruto as an impotent teen just channeled some chakra and eradicated allot of the crows. The crows that you're verbally expressing are S-ranked super potent summonings lol. the crows you express will in the shape of a clone Plenarily stun all three of the Enemy team and leave them all vulnerably susceptible To smoke that'll Somehow magically get to their circumventing and then they will all be stabbed by the totsuka blade which you perpetuate to preach is insanely expeditious, which again it isnt expeditious, Itachi swings it expeditiously. Additionally please be more conscientious when you read, i didnt say she'd evoke tens of thousands of paper bombs.. like at all? I said she could split into tens of thousands of papers to dodge an assailment. Additionally, the cieling and floor the spikes, Flew at itachi from kabutos inorganic reanimation and he got Starkly eradicated by it, Impaled consummately. Where was his speed there? </p><p>
if a teen naruto could do that then a 70 years of life orochimaru, could easly stop them all, And thats without even integrating the avail of konan and kimo. and then again kabuto sneak assailments from the mouth of the orochimaru snake and Cuts itachi in a moiety, why didnt he react? why didnt he dodge? where was your mighty itachi there. Where was his all mighty totsuka blade. If he wasnt an edo and could just regen from it, he would've died. I get that you like itachi but you accolade him an extravagant amount, to the point where you make him sound insuperable </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: Itachi's crow clones reform as soon as they are destroyed btw </p> </i></div>
<p>Since when? </p><p>Also, since when will crows be enough to stun Orochimaru? </p>

<p>@Ninja of War </p><p>Sha no Sho, page 242. https://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Crow_Clone_Technique Furthermore, the crows will be enough to stun Orochimaru since the day it stunned Kabuto multiple times, despite being in Sage Mode, despite hashirama cells, despite all the ehnancements he had. Orochimaru has those same enchancements, so he is getting stunned too. </p><p>@Duviee I don't know how to make my arguments any more clear. I use feats to justify my arguments. You are now resorting to pseudo-fanboy accusations, meanwhile half of my arguments haven't been addressed up to now. Sage mode Kabuto clearly shut off his eye sight, so it wasn't the light. You should know that if you actually rewatched the whole fight. The whole reason Kabuto is immune to his white rage technique is because his cornea blocks out light, smh. The crows are S rank, period. Show me one other group of ninja animals that can perfectly stun a perfect sage. </p><p>Again, where are these mighty speed and reaction feats for konan that suggest she can compete with Itachi's justu speed? she got one shotted by one technique from Jiraiya which she failed to dodge, and she knows oil is the weakness of her paper technique. She also showed zero speed feats against Tobi. All she has shown is pseudo immortality, good intelligence feats, and incredible reserves, nothing speedwise. She has never shown the ability to be perpetually in paper form 24/7, there is always a part of her body that remains human, and that can be tagged by totsuka blade. </p><p>As for Muki Tensei, I have debunked this many times. Muki Tensei was an unorothodox a technique specific to Kabuto. Itachi had never seen it before, and it was clearly warping space if you read the manga. He was forced to analyze what was going on. Analysis slows down response time. He is also in a cave and there wasn't much room to dodge all the limestone. Secondly, there was a Sasuke there to worry about. All variables that orochimaru and his team can't replicate in this fight. Itachi now knows about the technique, and there isn't a Sasuke to worry about. </p><p>Now you are using headcanon. Itachi was not TRYING TO KILL KABUTO, smh. How many times did they say that throughout the fight that you supposedly rewatched? Why would he use a killing move against someone he isn't trying to kill? </p><p>Finally, about my simulation. </p><p>There is a difference in speed..... I don't know what to tell you. A fight starts anywhere from 5 feet to 30 feet away. I'll assume 30 feet because the OP did not give a starting distance. Orochimaru starts by summoning his edo tensei. Itachi sees the coffins and their interiors and he knows what's coming. He then has initiative to activate his complete body:susano'o, and prepare yakasa beads. Orochimaru is experienced enough to know that projectile is something he might want to block for his teammates. So he summons his 3 rashomon gates. Itachi plans ahead when he fights though. when the beads detonate. He is already making two crow clones. Crow clones are cheap and they are in character. Itachi always makes clones in his fights, so I'm certain he will do it here. Sick Itachi made a total 3 crow clones in the same day he fought naruto and sasuke, so no reason he can't make two of them in this fight. </p><p>I have already proved that Sage mode Kabuto and Kakashi cannot track itachi's clone formation speed/bodyflicker/substitution. For all intensive purposes, Itachi can instantly get behind all his opponents and leave a clone in his original place. The fact that his opponents are gonna be blinded by a smokescreen when he does this will make it impossible to track. and with a distance of 30 feet, getting behind them or getting into a hiding spot is child's play for Itachi. So again, This is the action itachi uses. The clones run toward Team orochimaru, and they are free to do whatever they want, and Itachi is more than fast enough to cover 30 feet in under a second. The clones are essentially suicide bombers, so they can use their top speed without any fear of tunnel vision. One clone goes to orochimaru, one goes to Kimimaro. Orochimaru and Kimimaro both counterattack, and they are both getting stunned by the crows, period. Itachi then rofl blitzes orochimaru with the blade. This attack sequence is something Itachi has already shown in the canon, so you can't say it's out of character for him to do so. Konan is free to chain an attack at the real Itachi at all this, but her paper bombs aren't getting through susano'o, I'm very sorry. Kimimaro regains his bearings and goes for his bracken dance, which itachi already expects him to do, because he has seen kimimaro's technique before and know it's the only thing that can potentially harm him while he is inside his susano'o. Itachi dodges them, jumps, then hops from bone. Konan comes to attack him again with paper bombs, creating more smokescreens, while kimimaro sneaks into his bones and tries to catch itachi off guard. At this point some of his crows will reform another clone which he can then substitute with under the cover of the smoke, while ITachi moves to another location. Itachi is forced to deactivate susano'o because of the strain, but that is no big deal. Konan and Kimimaro aren't sensor types, so they won't notice a thing when itachi swaps himself out again. So kimimaro sneaks up on itachi and stabs him, but it turned out to be a crow clone again, and kimimaro is stunned, yet again. Amaterasu from behind, gg. Then as I said, ITachi vs Konan in a 1v1 fight is something Itachi will win. </p><p>And in this whole fight, Itachi has used susano'o for at best a couple of minutes, only used three cheap crow clones, and one amaterasu. That is child's play to how many techniques he used during the day he fought hebi sasuke. He should have enough in the tank to finish konan. </p><p>So please, address my arguments while considering the feats I have presented before you claim that I'm using the standing still argument again. </p>

<p>Orochimaru knows exactly what he's dealing with instead of naively taking on the dude twice with the assumption he could handle anything he threw at him. Oro can use Oral Rebirth to counter Amaterasu. It basically boils down to whether or not Orochimaru can outlast Itachi and avoid Totsuka or if he can find an opening to attack Itachi from underground while he's in Susanoo. I don't think he can handle the likes of Itachi TBH. Even giving Oro full knowledge w/o prep given that Kakashi knew Itachi's genjutsu but still couldn't counter it, won't do any good, because he has nothing to counter Visual Genjutsu. Oro had knowledge of the Sharingan and Genjutsu on the series, yet he still was caught in a Random Genjutsu :<i>v</i> He should still be afraid of Itachi. But Kusanagi is a very straight forword attack, and sharingan is great to dodge straight forward attacks, if he sees a sword coming at him, Itachi should be able to dodge it. databook said Kusanagi-like blades, because they look like Kusanagi but they're not the Legendary Sword, because tehy can't be 10000 copies of Kusanagi, otherwise it would be the most common sword in Narutoverse, no Legendary. I think they can't attack from multiple directions, they are somehow attached to Oro's mouth, if they could attack from all directions they would've surround NK4. Even so, if Tsunade could crack Susano'o, copies of Kusanagi or not, hundreds of blades should be able to as well, with ease. Then again, perhaps its a special ability of Kusanagi to be reproducible by the one who wields it, seeing as it represents surpassing physical limits (which should include numbers). Kusanagi failed to put a scratch on KN-4. Susano is mode durable than that. I'd say stamina would be the deciding factor. And Prime Itachi doesn't have sickness I think. I'd say Itachi wins high difficulty. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>CombatIQmatters wrote: @Ninja of War </p><p>Sha no Sho, page 242. https://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Crow_Clone_Technique Furthermore, the crows will be enough to stun Orochimaru since the day it stunned Kabuto multiple times, despite being in Sage Mode, despite hashirama cells, despite all the ehnancements he had. Orochimaru has those same enchancements, so he is getting stunned too. </p><p>@Duviee I don't know how to make my arguments any more clear. I use feats to justify my arguments. You are now resorting to pseudo-fanboy accusations, meanwhile half of my arguments haven't been addressed up to now. Sage mode Kabuto clearly shut off his eye sight, so it wasn't the light. You should know that if you actually rewatched the whole fight. The whole reason Kabuto is immune to his white rage technique is because his cornea blocks out light, smh. The crows are S rank, period. Show me one other group of ninja animals that can perfectly stun a perfect sage. </p><p>Again, where are these mighty speed and reaction feats for konan that suggest she can compete with Itachi's justu speed? she got one shotted by one technique from Jiraiya which she failed to dodge, and she knows oil is the weakness of her paper technique. She also showed zero speed feats against Tobi. All she has shown is pseudo immortality, good intelligence feats, and incredible reserves, nothing speedwise. She has never shown the ability to be perpetually in paper form 24/7, there is always a part of her body that remains human, and that can be tagged by totsuka blade. </p><p>As for Muki Tensei, I have debunked this many times. Muki Tensei was an unorothodox a technique specific to Kabuto. Itachi had never seen it before, and it was clearly warping space if you read the manga. He was forced to analyze what was going on. Analysis slows down response time. He is also in a cave and there wasn't much room to dodge all the limestone. Secondly, there was a Sasuke there to worry about. All variables that orochimaru and his team can't replicate in this fight. Itachi now knows about the technique, and there isn't a Sasuke to worry about. </p><p>Now you are using headcanon. Itachi was not TRYING TO KILL KABUTO, smh. How many times did they say that throughout the fight that you supposedly rewatched? Why would he use a killing move against someone he isn't trying to kill? </p><p>Finally, about my simulation. </p><p>There is a difference in speed..... I don't know what to tell you. A fight starts anywhere from 5 feet to 30 feet away. I'll assume 30 feet because the OP did not give a starting distance. Orochimaru starts by summoning his edo tensei. Itachi sees the coffins and their interiors and he knows what's coming. He then has initiative to activate his complete body:susano'o, and prepare yakasa beads. Orochimaru is experienced enough to know that projectile is something he might want to block for his teammates. So he summons his 3 rashomon gates. Itachi plans ahead when he fights though. when the beads detonate. He is already making two crow clones. Crow clones are cheap and they are in character. Itachi always makes clones in his fights, so I'm certain he will do it here. Sick Itachi made a total 3 crow clones in the same day he fought naruto and sasuke, so no reason he can't make two of them in this fight. </p><p>I have already proved that Sage mode Kabuto and Kakashi cannot track itachi's clone formation speed/bodyflicker/substitution. For all intensive purposes, Itachi can instantly get behind all his opponents and leave a clone in his original place. The fact that his opponents are gonna be blinded by a smokescreen when he does this will make it impossible to track. and with a distance of 30 feet, getting behind them or getting into a hiding spot is child's play for Itachi. So again, This is the action itachi uses. The clones run toward Team orochimaru, and they are free to do whatever they want, and Itachi is more than fast enough to cover 30 feet in under a second. The clones are essentially suicide bombers, so they can use their top speed without any fear of tunnel vision. One clone goes to orochimaru, one goes to Kimimaro. Orochimaru and Kimimaro both counterattack, and they are both getting stunned by the crows, period. Itachi then rofl blitzes orochimaru with the blade. This attack sequence is something Itachi has already shown in the canon, so you can't say it's out of character for him to do so. Konan is free to chain an attack at the real Itachi at all this, but her paper bombs aren't getting through susano'o, I'm very sorry. Kimimaro regains his bearings and goes for his bracken dance, which itachi already expects him to do, because he has seen kimimaro's technique before and know it's the only thing that can potentially harm him while he is inside his susano'o. Itachi dodges them, jumps, then hops from bone. Konan comes to attack him again with paper bombs, creating more smokescreens, while kimimaro sneaks into his bones and tries to catch itachi off guard. At this point some of his crows will reform another clone which he can then substitute with under the cover of the smoke, while ITachi moves to another location. Itachi is forced to deactivate susano'o because of the strain, but that is no big deal. Konan and Kimimaro aren't sensor types, so they won't notice a thing when itachi swaps himself out again. So kimimaro sneaks up on itachi and stabs him, but it turned out to be a crow clone again, and kimimaro is stunned, yet again. Amaterasu from behind, gg. Then as I said, ITachi vs Konan in a 1v1 fight is something Itachi will win. </p><p>And in this whole fight, Itachi has used susano'o for at best a couple of minutes, only used three cheap crow clones, and one amaterasu. That is child's play to how many techniques he used during the day he fought hebi sasuke. He should have enough in the tank to finish konan. </p><p>So please, address my arguments while considering the feats I have presented before you claim that I'm using the standing still argument again. </p> </i></div>
<p>to the first Point you made. I'm not sure were i am utilizing "fan-boy psuedo Accustations" but okay. If you are inclined to believe that then go ahead. And as i expressed, half the things you are utilizing as feats arent impressive, Most atleast. Its like you dont read what i say at all? because all of your replications consummately ignore Core points in my expressions. "The whole reason Kabuto is immune to his white rage technique is because his cornea blocks out light" Huh? He's immune to it because its his assailment, he doesnt shoot it at himself lol. Unless you Worded something erroneous, i dont Understand what you're endeavoring to say. Withal, please show proof His corneas for whatever reason block light?.. Show me were its expressed they're S rank? i'm not saying your erroneous But i dont see it anywhere, Not to mention like i said in my anterior post an impotent teenager naruto channeled some chakra and ravaged most of them. A flash of light Would Stun anyone, by god please stop utilizing that as a feat. It could be a D ranked Evoking that explodes into a sizably voluminous light it would still stun people, it Stunning a sage and stunning a human are identically tantamount thing, You keep acting as if Sages have some kind of immunity to A blast of light ( similair to a flashbang) I've even said this afore but you say "His cornea" without a single shred of proof, just tada his cornea blocks light, Please bring proof. </p><p>To your point: "where are these mighty speed and reaction feats for konan that suggest she can compete with Itachi's justu haste?" I dont know, i was arguing for orochimaru for the most part, I didnt bring konan into much other then dodging via transformation into paper, but okay since you optate to bring her up. I dont ken, I dont care, my cognizance of konan is profoundly circumscribed. i dont believe striking a paper will suck in all of her papers, though i'm not sure, i will be peregrinating from this because i dont know much of konan, someone else can argue for her. </p><p>For the inorganic reanimation technique you brought up for your third verbalization. first off, kabuto even admonishes and verbalizes that the environment is what he will assail with lol, You accolade Itachi to be profoundly astute, Someone with even a modicum of encephalon would know attack with the enviorment designates.. attack with the eniorment. and about your point saying he was forfending sasuke, i know but thank you for telling me. If i recall corectly i cerebrate he engendered a sussano hand to block the assailment from hitting him. Please calm down, "Now you are utilizing headcanon. Itachi was not TRYING TO KILL KABUTO" I didnt express he was.. You've already expressed like four times that i'm utilizing headcanon when i'm not or saying i've Said things that i havent because you optate to confute things i say that you can't contravene. If you're not going to take this Seriously i wont respond, This is already as is a massive waste of time to bring up points and for you to go: "NO CROW CLONES SMOKE TOTSUKA BLADE, HEADCANON" those are all your points, So first off dont put words in my mouth, And dont express My Facts are headcanon, thanks a bunch! :). Withal i didnt say you were Doing a standing still argument someone else did, yet again putting words in my mouth; i simply said you're scripting a fight where everything goes well for him. </p><p>And to the component where you verbalize i dont respond to your "feats", yes.. Yes i do i have multiple times, you just opt to ignore it and shout that i'm saying headcanon. Meanwhile you respond to none of my things, i've brought up countless things and you just Go " itachi is too keenly intellective, or itachi is too expeditious". </p><p>additionally i'm not sure where this is gonna go? it doesnt seem akin to it'll ever end. </p><p>It'll be people Saying " orochimaru and his team will win because of etc" and people saying"itachi would win beacuse of etc" I read everything afore responding and by god 270+ messages of paragraph arguments where people can't come to a conclusion. This is marginally unavailingly futile i might not even respond anymore, Though i curiosity catches me i might. Though do not suspect me too- have a sublime time everyone </p><p>Also one quick addition, I'm not saying itachi could never win just that orochimaru has a slightly higher chance 6/10 or 7/10 of the times he'll win. </p>

<p>what in the world...? You said you rewatched the fight and yet you still haven't seen where kabuto clearly says himself that his snake eyes blocks out all light? He CANT SEE. that's why he is immune to visual genjutsu Chapter 580 says the same thing. </p>