<p>Wait. So. @ninja, in your prompt you say TB can only seal living things. Do edos count as living </p>

<p>@Faito </p><p>The TB can seal the edos in this case yes. </p>

<p>Edo's are poeple brought back to life, so they are alive although weaker than their true living selves, and they just have darker eyes and regenerate damage </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: Edo's are poeple brought back to life, so they are alive although weaker than their true living selves, and they just have darker eyes and regenerate damage </p> </i></div>
<p>and infinite chakra </p>

<p>Technically, only their chakra reserves are refilling infinitely, it's not like they have larger reserves than they did in life or anything, in fact their reserves are smaller. So if somebody only had say a reserve of 500 in life, they would have less than 500 as an Edo.. say about 400, but this time around the 400 refills back up much faster than a living persons chakra reserves would. So if there was a tech they did not have enough chakra to use in life, they definitely won't be able to actually use that tech as an Edo. </p>

<p>Reading over these posts, seems there is not a consensus as to who wins here. </p>

<p>I say Itachi wins in the end, even if he dies doing it. His Sharingan, Mangekyo Sharingan and its techs, Genjutsu, bomb, shadow and crow clone usage together with his battle genius make me think that. Oro will put up one hellacious fight thats no doubt. </p>

<p>@FlatZone </p><p>I'm curious to hear how you think the fight will go. Would you give a rundown? Being a new year and all, won't you make an exception for old times sake? </p>

<p>If I have to make something up, then sure. Itachi will end up sealing Kimi and Konan early on, he's not stupid and knows they are Edo Tensei. Then its down to Itachi vs Oro, Oro would try to poison Itachi with a snake bite, and avoid his eyes which did not work last time, but he will try anyway. Oro spits out his sword, and slashes Itachi only to find its a bomb clone, and he gets injured, he heals himself at the cost of chakra by shedding his skin, he shoots a snake arm at Itachi, it turns out to be a crow clone and the real Itachi was in the distance behind it, he lands eye contact with Oro putting him in the shackling stakes genjutsu, Oro is stronger now, so he breaks the genjutsu in a shorter time than before just barely managing to keep his head from getting lopped off. Itachi hasn't used MS yet. Oro uses Slithering Snake mode for the maneoverablity and goes in for a physical confrontation, they clash for a few mins and Itachi being so fast evades the last strikes and jumps away only to land near an explosive tag Oro somehow set.. turns out it was another crow clone and Itachi appears and shoots Great Fireball Jutsu at Oro who summons the Rashomon gates at the last second. Realizing it will go back and forth, they each think they need to end the battle before too long, with Itachi thinking of his smaller reserves compared to Oro. Oro uses the Yamato No Jutsu, Itachi goes into Susanoo, with YM and SoT ready. Same clash as before, the difference being Oro is watching for the SoT this time, and Itachi since he is in prime has much longer to use Susanoo and his techs than last time. Oro has the Yamato heads lunge at Itachi, while the head he is on attacks with the Kusanagi, Itachi blocks all attacks from the front with YM Oro uses that disctraction to go into Hiding like Mole tech to dig under Susanoo to get closer to Itachi. He springs up to slash Itachi, but Itachi is not there.. He is outside his Susanoo which he deactivates instantly, with Amaterasu now upon Orochimaru. Orochimaru sheds his skin as fast as he can and goes underground again, lunging at Itachi again with his Kusanagi and Shadow Snake Hands, Itachi is hit but disperses into crow clones which Oro uses his many shadow snake hands to hit all at once, Itachi uses fireball no jutsu again and Oro goes underground again to avoid it. Oro comes up and uses great breakthough as fast as he can and as soon as it activates he shunshins over to Itachi, bites him and then and stabs him. Itachi makes Eye Contact with his Mangekyo activated, using Tsukuyomi. Oro has no way out and Itachi takes mortal damage, Itachi ends it by sealing Orochimaru again, or cutting off his head and burning him to ashes with Amaterasu. The stab wound and the poison eventually take effect and Itachi dies, Itachi knew Oro would kill him in a long drawn out battle due to his smaller reserves, so he elected to take Oro out even if it meant he dies afterwards. If this was the old Oro from before taking over the White Zetsu and some of Kabuto's flesh, then Itachi could have won without dying.. but this Oro should be stronger than the old Oro. </p>

<p>@Ninja of War </p><p>There is no consensus because up to now, people apparently refuse to even go back and refresh themselves on the BASICS of ninjutsu and genjutsu. </p><p>Just stop it already. The potency of ANY ninjutsu or Genjutsu is proportional to CHAKRA CONTROL AND THE AMOUNT OF MOULDED CHAKRA. It's an equation, and both contribute strongly. </p><p>Itachi has one of the lowest reserves in the manga. So when he is at THIRTY PERCENT, the bulk of his jutsu prowess is coming from his chakra control. Naruto may have weaker chakra control, but he has massive amounts of chakra available. Those two things offset each other. If Itachi is allowed more chakra, then his potency increases notably. </p><p>You used PART ONE NARUTO for your example, which doesn't make sense. Naruto at the time couldn't even make rasengan. He was put to sleep before he was even aware he was in genjutsu. He missed the window because he was too inexperienced. Fast forward 3 years later, even Itachi noticed he improved all around. He actually detected he was in genjutsu and took the STEPS to actually attempt to break it, unlike in Part one. He made it to Step 2: trying to actually break it, and he came up WAY short. </p><p>
Genjutsu Kai is a ninjutsu that requires seals, typically the tiger seal. Naruto has more reserves. He can MOULD more chakra for his Kai to compensate for his weaker chakra control. His best efforts came up way short. </p><p>I like how you called my statement head canon when it's directly from Jiraiya himself. </p><p>Itachi at 100 percent of his strength (which he is in this thread) can make a FAR more potent Ephemeral by simply moulding more chakra for the genjutsu. </p><p>Kimimaro isn't breaking out. Neither is Konan. Not even Orochimaru could break out of his 3 tomoe genjutsu. He wasn't even allowed the chance to TRY and break it in the first place because when he tried to weave his seal for Genjutsu Kai, Itachi cut his arm off before he got the chance, and Oro is a SANNIN level. Orochimaru himself was surprised that 3 tomoe genjutsu could pin him down. </p><p>
People are also ignoring Itachi's clone feinting abilities. The guy was in the middle of a shuriken clash with Sasuke. He created a kage bunshin, substituted with it, hid somewhere(probably underground) and the clone was grappling Sasuke. Sasuke didn't even see this happen at all. We know the bunshin was created during the shuriken clash because Itachi can't weave seals while simultaneously grappling Sasuke. The real Itachi jumped up from behind both of them and threw kunai. Sasuke then threw his shuriken at the wrong Itachi and was clearly surprised to see it was a clone and not the real one, proving he didn't see this substitution at all despite watching Itachi the whole time lmao. </p><p>In part one, Itachi did the same thing, Despite 3 S rank ninjas watching him, he created a bunshin, substituted, and got behind Kakashi in the blink of an eye, a feat Kurenai credited as superhuman. </p><p>In the Kabuto fight, again same thing, The real Itachi was seen deactivating Susano'o and running towards kabuto. Yet both EMS Sasuke and Kabuto were surprised to see that Itachi essentially substituted with a crow clone without either of them noticing and got behind Kabuto. </p><p>Based on all three of these feats, Itachi CLEARLY can spawn clones where he wants and substitute with them and NO ONE he has fought in the canon has noticed it, even sharingan users and Sage mode users. His clone feints are essentially undetectable. He can make his clones appear from behind or in front of himself within a certain range. </p><p>His superior hand seal speed and tactics are too much for these guys to handle. </p><p>It's 3 opponents, all he has to do is create 3 1v1s. Pretty simple. </p><p>Bijuu Dama sized Yakasa beads create the smokescreen like I said. Itachi prepares Totsuka and also does his clone feint trick and makes the clone appear behind all of them. Totsuka takes out Orochimaru, smoke screen clears and crow clone snipes Kimimaro from behind with amaterasu. Then Konan gets put in ephemeral where she is put to sleep, forcing her to release her paper form. Totsuka is not even needed for her. </p>