<div class="quote"><i> <p>Itachisempi wrote: you all forgot about the ramen man! ramen man could flick Hashirama and it would disintegrate Hashirama. one punch from ramen man would kill the sage of six paths! and at full power no one could kill him!!! </p> </i></div>
<p>Nah, that's too much. He is too past his prime. But I have no doubts in him at his prime. He's so powerful, that Kaguya only came after he was caught in that genjutsu, and the best part was that he was acting being caught, he was actually watching Team Seven from behind, and was fully ready to jump in anything goes past what he consider child's play, but as he believed in Team Seven, they won, without needing him at all. Remmeber, every villain had to leave Konoha and hide to become villains, because Ramen guy was and will always be in the Leaf. As Ramen guy will be The Ramen Man of the Leaf. </p><p>Lol, am I the only one who thinks Ramen man would have been an epic final villain for Naruto? Like he's been for Naruto from the start, before even Iruku, Jiraya or Kakashi. Naruto having to learn that the person that first accepted him as a human being was only acting as one, like an intense emotional bertayal equal to or even more than Itachi telling Itachi that he was acting as a loving brother. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: No but "mInaTo iS tOo fAsT" and with his FTG not even ramen man can defeat the mighty unstoppable invincible Minato! xD </p> </i></div>
<p>Fanboys of specific charactee loves to downplay every other character and wank theirs up. Naruto Fanboys, Sasuke Fanboys, Minato Fanboys, Killer B fanboys, and every other fanboy will side only on her/his bias opinions and not any other. </p><p>@Arturia. What should B know about Amaterasu? It's a flame. You escape flame. And Amaterasu was famous as Itachi's jutsu, so was the Sharingan, which B recognized. </p><p>B was a jinchuriki, so yeah, he'll be healing in an instant, but as Gyuki said, he lost alot of Chakra. </p><p>The Sharingan is used for analytical purposes. It tracks fast and small stuff in perfect clarity. Sasuke dodged B's Tailed Beast cloak, and he got caught B in genjutsu too. As he noticed, B runs in a straight line. So it's easier for him to capture. </p><p>And I've watched the battle too, one sided, yes, it might be, but I have never denied that though, I've only reasoned that the auther himself explained that Sasuke didn't recover through Jugo and B himself stating that Sasuke was the toughest guy he fought. And info had alot in this fight, you can agree to this or not. </p><p>@Ninja. I've never directly called you immature, just the way you're acting right now, is well immature. You accused me of going against the manga, when I accused you of it And no, people can call you as immature as much as you call them, your highness. If you don't wnat people to point out your immature acts, maybe you should stop calling them immature, that might be a mature decisio </p><p>Wow, they knew he was Jinchuriki and that too his place. Man, I guess that all wraps it up, or wait.... Knowing he was a jinchurki, didn't help them in not knowing about his Genjutsu immunity, intense speed and power, and substitution trick. </p><p>And unless we're talking about a whole different series. The Sharingan is famous, B recognized it, when he was in a genjutsu in Sharingan. </p><p>Unless you're not able to read what I've been saying, I never stated anywhere that B can't use his Substitution jutsu, this is one of your immature acts, I been pointing out with. I simply said that he wouldn't be able to trick Taka the same way he did, if he does it himself. And the fact that he accurately knew what Sasuke would do. </p><p>In your last post, you went on talking about how much you're right, and just stated that you agree with everything @Combat. Said. That's no counter, friend. Manga facts? You're given me none. If you take a slow clear look at th debate, it's about how(to the opinion you agreed upon) the manga was wrong, as in B himself stating Sasuke was the toughest guy he fought to be not right. Sigh, this is what happens when you barge in debates without having any idea on what it is about. Either you agree to the manga or not. </p><p>And yes, feats>assumptions, why don't you ever think about that? </p><p>Somethings can't be shorten, if you're asking for logical and detailed explainations. If you want to prove your opinion, you have to do it the right way, and thus, you should start with the "holes" you're mentioning. Or you can give up in this debate, no one is forcing you to this, even I'm surely gonna give up soon enough, maybe I'll give up with this post itself. Since unlike you both, I have to respond to more than just one just person. </p><p>Maybe it's my mistake there, maybe I'm right, but I can't start this debate all over again, especially with this not having any substainal use to it. </p><p>@Combat. Headcanons are headcanons, I can't change them, nor you can. It's your assumption that A and B fought together against Minato many times. Tag teams don't always have to be together in every possible fight. We know Ino-Chi-Cha is a three man team, yet they also fight seperately. A and B are not glued together, even in the Minato vs A fight, A didn't tag team with B. He was saved by him, but didn't support him in the rest of the fight. Your assumption works on the basis that B and A always fought together before they seperated. When I have shown you that A fought Minato alone. I have read the chapters, and so I advise you to read the whole manga again. </p><p>I have never made any claims that B retreated because of Sasuke. But he used the substitution to escape Amaterasu, he retreated by hiding inside the water, to which even later was shown that he lost alot of his stamina. And admitted to Sasuke being the strongest guy he fought so far, which I remind you, you're going again of, and so literally going against the Manga itself. </p><p>Killee B didn't suffer lethal damage without knowing about that, unlike you know who. Yes, he can shake it off pretty easily. That's the Jinchuriki for you. And how you expect a guy who can regenerate from even Chidori stabs to have lasting damage is out of my mind. Like seriously. </p><p>Nice.... The auther himself said through Jugo's words how the fight was extremely influenced him not revovering. And B himself admitted to him being the strongest he fought, and so had to resort to using Gyuki too, so no lmao. </p><p>No, it was to introduce a character in a badass style. So, the series will have a new number of Killer B fanboys around wanking him out. It's all about the money in the end. The more characters fanboys can wank at, the better. And as you can see, the writer could have just not do the "your injuries haven't recovered" or "He was the strongest guy I fought so far" but he did, guess why? </p><p>I see you're supposedly assuming your headcanon to be my hesdcanon. The Lightning Armour doesn't protect your from flames or such, bud. Period. The reason he cut of his freaking arm was because of that. Like seriously. </p><p>And lol, I was talking about the Tailed Beast Mode, it's a flesh made of Chakra, chakra that got easily sliced by Chidori Spear, and you're arguing over Amaterasu? ..... </p><p>Parhaps you don't understand Susanoo. It's a chakra armour that covers around your body. It acts as hard solid matter to everything outside it, but just like The Nine Tails Tailed Beast Mode, it's works in the principles of liquid/water for the user or whoever he/she accepts in it. This is just another new out of the world headcanon you made. </p><p>You're saying I took you out of context, even though I've only answered what you claimed. </p><p>Lol, no, Raikage would die. Period. Both Sasuke and Raikage were bloodlusted and acting out of their minds. A doesn't have that much plot to survive Amaterasu. While if yoi look on the favor of Sasuke, his susanoo develops in seconds at the momemt of death, like he did with Raikage's Liger Bomb, and after a few minutes with Gaara and his body guards. So, in the most likely event, he'll awaken more of his Susanoo, as in the skeleton susanoo and gain more layers of defence in that instant while A will inevitebly die from Amaterasu. Unless the Manga is written on your logic, which I doubt to be. </p><p>He literally dodged Killer B's frontal attack, to which B said to him being the only other guy to do so. B got him in a surprise attack, behind his back, while his eyes in strain. That's not a speed feat, friend. And yes, his Sharingan aids him in battles, as does Gyuki for B. </p><p>No, you're just downplaying Sasuke. As does many Killer B fanboys di and alot of fangirls just like to downplay Sasuke. It's understandable, though. Compared to B, Sasuke is one of the most hated character in Naruto, if I'm right, second to Sakura. But that doesn't mean that people are allowed to bring their persobal dislikes in debates, that's not how it works. Atleast not in debates like these. </p><p>It's your decision to go against the manga or not. I'll respect you for being firm on your opinion, but being stubborn on it, is a different thing. The War Arc probably increased their limits. Maybe, B increased in his chakra or chakra control, maybe Gyuki remolded Chakra fro him faster, maybe the substitution cost him more chakra than you think. Sasuke's Orochimaru's substitution cost alot of chakra. </p><p>But no, Killer B went for the kill, like using Tailed Beast Ball in his own village. </p><p>As you've proven yourself, you just don't like this character. And that brings personal dislike in your opinion. You are so beinh bias on it. And that negates your own point. And why you care about respecting or disrespecting characters is out of my mind. For me, I don't care about any of these characters that much. I just want to state what's the truth is. </p><p>And so, before this becomes messy, I'll register myself to giving up. I don't have any more time to waste on debates like these(not the topic or posters, but the length and time it's going on with) I need to focus on the book I'm trying to write on, and other stuff. And for that, I need a peace of mind, so reply if any of you want to, I'm only gonna look at it after two or three months, when my curiosity finally gives up, and so I can't reply anymore being that late. So I hope there's no hard feelings, and good bye. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>BlazeRelease wrote: </p><p>
@Ninja. I've never directly called you immature, just the way you're acting right now, is well immature. You accused me of going against the manga, when I accused you of it And no, people can call you as immature as much as you call them, your highness. </p> </i></div>
<p>Playing the technically game, doesn't give you moral high ground. It just shows how pedantic and false you can be. Actually, in my first post to you I called you out on denying easily reviewed manga feats. Only after that did you address me, so once again you are twisting statements and spewing falsities. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>BlazeRelease wrote: </p><p>
Wow, they knew he was Jinchuriki and that too his place. Man, I guess that all wraps it up, or wait.... Knowing he was a jinchurki, didn't help them in not knowing about his Genjutsu immunity, intense speed and power, and substitution trick. </p><p>And unless we're talking about a whole different series. The Sharingan is famous, B recognized it, when he was in a genjutsu in Sharingan. </p> </i></div>
<p>Again, your "lack of intel" argument goes both ways and favors Bee. Since Bee had to figure out the abilities of four individuals, while taka had only to figure out 1. By the way, your sarcasm doesn't help your case. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>BlazeRelease wrote: </p><p>Unless you're not able to read what I've been saying, I never stated anywhere that B can't use his Substitution jutsu, this is one of your immature acts, I been pointing out with. I simply said that he wouldn't be able to trick Taka the same way he did, if he does it himself. And the fact that he accurately knew what Sasuke would do. </p> </i></div>
<p>I never said that lol, more falsities. I said that Bee can make substitutions by himself, because you stated.. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>BlazeRelease wrote: </p><p>I doubt he was able to think of a plan while burning from the Amaterasu, he so far was saved from Sasuke saving Karin and cancelling the Amaterasu. </p><p>Bloodlusted B comes out of the water for a straight attack again, as you mentioned, and gets shots with Amaterasu, and this time, he's not gonna survive it. </p> </i></div>
<p>Which never happened. But you claim it did, then try and twist my rebuttal. You have lost a lot of credibility. Bee was not even blood lusted lol. How do I know this? Well, he tried to leave the fight. Therefore, his greatest motivation was not to fight with Taka. But to you that means nothing. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>BlazeRelease wrote: </p><p>In your last post, you went on talking about how much you're right, and just stated that you agree with everything @Combat. Said. That's no counter, friend. Manga facts? You're given me none. If you take a slow clear look at th debate, it's about how(to the opinion you agreed upon) the manga was wrong, as in B himself stating Sasuke was the toughest guy he fought to be not right. Sigh, this is what happens when you barge in debates without having any idea on what it is about. Either you agree to the manga or not. </p><p>
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<p>It so sad really. Your claims are the ones that are unproven, but you say stuff like this to me. And you think you are debating? jeez. I clearly said, I made a mistake in saying "@combat made most of the points I wanted to say", simply because it leaves the door open for you to twist statements. Which you have now done again. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>BlazeRelease wrote: </p><p>And yes, feats>assumptions, why don't you ever think about that? </p><p>Somethings can't be shorten, if you're asking for logical and detailed explainations. If you w If you want to prove your opinion, you have to do it the right way, and thus, you should start with the "holes" you're mentioning.ant to prove your opinion, you have to do it the right way, and thus, you should start with the "holes" you're mentioning. Or you can give up in this debate, no one is forcing you to this, even I'm surely gonna give up soon enough, maybe I'll give up with this post itself. Since unlike you both, I have to respond to more than just one just person. </p><p>
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<p>It's strange how you don't take this advice, you ironically got from me, that you are now telling me. It is very hard to follow what you are actually trying to say. So I asked for you to shorten your wall posts, be clear and not exaggerate and go on tangents. I certainly don't see any point to be made by comparing Bee vs Taka to Madara vs Hashirama. But you did, and it only convoluted everything. </p><p>Don't cry to me that you have to respond to multiple people, if you were clear enough, brought proof of your points with a explanation that made sense, we would happily accept your interpretation. I should give up on a debate? lol. Yeah, says the one that took a week to respond. You haven't debated yet. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>BlazeRelease wrote: </p><p>
</p><p>Maybe it's my mistake there, maybe I'm right, but I can't start this debate all over again, especially with this not having any substainal use to it. </p> </i></div>
<p>That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking you to state your main points clearly, shortly and without smoke and mirrors. Honestly, you have not been fun to converse with. I simply cannot take you seriously at this point. I even asked you to quote my points with a manga page that shows how I'm incorrect, as you were claiming, to try and eliminate these false accusations, but you saw no need to back up your claims. </p><p>So, do what you want then. But know that you could have debated with someone who had the same interest in a fight as you, but you chose in the worst possibly way not to. </p>

<p>Why is there even a debate about Minato, lol? </p><p>And when did Bee say Sasuke was the strongest he ever fought? </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>LoneNinja wrote: Why is there even a debate about Minato, lol? </p><p>And when did Bee say Sasuke was the strongest he ever fought? </p> </i></div>
<p>I don't know how the fuck this conversation got into this point, and I don't really want to know. </p><p>But its chapter 419 where Bee said Sasuke is the thoughest enemy he ever fought, or some line like that </p>

<p>^Bee said Sasuke is one of the toughest, not the toughest. But yeah, when users wanna "win" arguments, they twist stuff like this. </p>

haven't we already established that ramen man is the strongest

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Itachisempi wrote: haven't we already established that ramen man is the strongest </p> </i></div>
<p>We don't include characters with God chakra. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Ninja Of War wrote: ^Bee said Sasuke is one of the toughest, not the toughest. But yeah, when users wanna "win" arguments, they twist stuff like this. </p> </i></div>
<p>I read from a certain site with a certain translation. Blame the translator, I'm just a consumer </p><p>Oh, and good job with that ad hominem, really helping your discussion </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Nope2937 wrote: </p><p>I read from mangaseeonline, I read their translation. Blame the translator, I'm just a consumer </p><p>Oh, and good job with that ad hominem, really helping your discussion </p> </i></div>
<p>I believe you are aware of the wiki policy to not refer to illegal manga sites. My previous post was not blaming you though, and also not sure if that last line is a compliment or sarcasm. </p><p>But it doesn't change what is in the manga though. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Ninja Of War wrote: I believe you are aware of the wiki policy to not refer to illegal manga sites. My previous post was not blaming you though, and also not sure if that last line is a compliment or sarcasm. </p><p>But it doesn't change what is in the manga though. </p> </i></div>
<p>I was not. Thank you for telling me that. It was a criticism for something people tend to do in middle of debate. </p><p>Well, I have limited resource right now so no official viz for me. </p>