<p>@Ninja of War </p><p>My point number 1 is critical, all I'm saying is that the sharingan provides the reflex boost/perception boost so that the user of chidori doesn't suffer from tunnel vision due to the speed boost. Speed boosts cause tunnel vision unless they are accompanied by techniques that boost the nervous system. Most techniques do that, but kakashi screwed up in his technique design, which is why Minato told him to throw it out the window, it was incomplete. </p><p>Look, I'll try to keep my statements more clean, because at least you aren't using strawman arguments. </p><p>What does guy having attacks that aren't in a straight line have to do with my point exactly? kakashi has also been seen changing his direction while running with it. The issue is seeing the counter attack, nothing about the direction change. </p><p>There is a difference between speed and reflexes. The 8 gates boost speed and power yet there is no tunnel vision, which means the gates has a corresponding adaption for the user's nervous system. </p><p>So let me get this straight, kakashi literally got stabbed by pain's rod at point blank range and yet he immediately used raikiri with intent to kill, and are you implying that the raikiri cannot cut through pain without a running start? The technique is made of raition chakra, meaning it already has penetrative and cutting abilities, and raiton is often compared to fuuton in these qualities. Your argument seems to imply that speed is needed for raikiri to achieve something that it's already good at, cutting through things. I also already stated that more momentum =more force, and sasuke needed more force in general to get through a hard defense, but that doesn't suddenly mean that the technique doesn't give a speed boost. As I said, kakashi and sasuke have used the technique in other contexts and yet there is still dangerous tunnel vision associated with the technique when they start running. Kakashi clearly has stated his technique's speed can finish his opponents in an instant, he literally did so to 17 out of 18 targets.he wasn't using the speed for penetrative power, the jutsu already had that, he was using the speed to minimize his enemi'es reaction time. </p><p>My point about rasengan still stands. We see naruto and minato running in a straight line with the jutsu, and more speed = more momentum when they finally hit their opponent. You are missing the point. Minato and naruto are seen running at their TOP speed when using rasengan and yet they have suffered no tunnel vision. I have no reason to believe that they weren't running at their maximum velocity. when rasengan collides with the target, there is still concussive force before the technique begins grinding, and concussive force alone can kill people. running at 5 mph with a dense sphere in your hand and hitting an object will have less concussive force than running at 30 mph. </p><p>Your argument literally implies that rock lee's running speed causes tunnel vision, which I have already shown to be not true. the sasuke you referenced was shown and stated to have the same speed as weightless rock lee. rock lee never suffered tunnel vision, yet when he witnessed sasuke's chidori he clearly stated that he wouldn't use the speed "like that" because the technique does not stimulate his nervous system. The proof is that rock lee in the 5th gate is faster than sasuke wielding chidori, and yet rock lee doesn't experience tunnel vision despite lacking a sharingan, and that was when rock lee ran in a straight line. </p>

<p>@Ninja of War. </p><p>That's what I've been saying. This guy likes to takes something you said, and twist it to something you didn't even say. Either he is reading too much into what we say trying to find another meaning or he just spouts things to spout em. </p><p>Then he makes more stuff up that never was stated like Eight Gates boosting perception. He goes too far into things and if he had his way, we'd change a lot of techniques and give them abilities they never had. Even when everyone disagrees except two other people with one even saying perception isn't boosted for Eight Gates, he just says it's strawman logic and that everyone but him is wrong. Even when everyone sees how horrid his logic is, all he keeps saying is how we don't make sense when Chakra concentrated in the arm boosting leg speed makes 0 sense. His answer to that is "Kishimoto logic", lol. LIke we can use that to every argument he has too. Smh. </p><p>Obviously the Eighth Gate didn't show case Tunnel Vision simply because a) he can handle that speed or b) it didn't matter since he was moving so fast, no one was going to counter attack anyways. Tunnel vision is apparent for Chidori BECAUSE people can react to it with ease. Not many can react to Eight Gates and Eight Gate user's rarely attack in straight line where Tunnel Vision is stated to be apparent, and even when they do there's no counter attack waiting for them cause they're that fast. </p><p>I'm just going to use his own argument against him. I accept your concession on Chidori's variants, Sasuke's standstill Chidori, the horrid logic of chakra concentrated in the arm boosts your leg's speed, and how your argument makes no sense. </p>

<p>Chidori is a lightning jab. Raikiri is a faster one. The show deals quite a lot with the concept of exertion, this is a very draining technique because Kakashi is exerting 100% of his speed. Which in turn grants him tunnel vision (he's running at his body's maximum speed which is faster than his own perception) causing Minato to tell him to abandon the technique. The jutsu's power is directly related to the users speed. Simply covering your hand in lightning is not a jutsu, kid Kakashi could only generate enough power to make chidori an A-rank jutsu by increasing his momentum strengthening his lightnig jab (increased momentum = increased destruction, this is what makes Raikiri S-rank as opposed to chidori's A) . </p><p>... if chidori increases Sasuke's speed how fast is everyone who has grabbed his wrist while using it, Itachi deflected it into a wall then broke Sasuke's hand, Kakashi redirected Natuto and Sasuke's attacks into water towers </p><p>That being said the cutting nature of chidori would practically erase wind resistance (drag) so they would apear to move faster as their speed would no longer be dampened running into air molecules. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>LoneNinja wrote: </p><p>Obviously the Eighth Gate didn't show case Tunnel Vision simply because a) he can handle that speed </p> </i></div>
<p>And Chidori/Raikiri users cant handle Chidori/Raikiri's speed. Which is why they get tunnel vision without the Sharingan. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>LegionZero wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>LoneNinja wrote: </p><p>Obviously the Eighth Gate didn't show case Tunnel Vision simply because a) he can handle that speed </p> </i></div>
</div> <p>Or b) the gate of pain increases chakra flow to the spinal cord enhancing his perception by flooding his nervous system with chakra along the lines of Lightning Release Chakra Mode, Lightning Strike Armour, Lightning Release: Overdrive, etc minus lightning nature obviously </p>

If chidori/raikiri has an effect like tunnel vision what would be the cause if not a speed boost?

<p>Because the technique requires the user to move at top speeds for its best effect. Running at top speeds, especially when capable of breaking the sound barrier, would lead to tunnel vision. </p>

Low tier chuunins break the sound barrier easily.

<p>@Aboo </p><p>Running fast. Lol. </p><p>If Chidori boosted speed, why is it stated to only be concentrated in the arm? </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Littlegen wrote: Because the technique requires the user to move at top speeds for its best effect. Running at top speeds, especially when capable of breaking the sound barrier, would lead to tunnel vision. </p> </i></div>
<p>Rasengan doesnt have this issue and Naruto charges in a straightline dash with it. </p><p>The user could also simply not run so fast when they use it so there is some property to it that makes it difficult for the user to run slower once it picks up momentum </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>LoneNinja wrote: @Aboo </p><p>Running fast. Lol. </p><p>If Chidori boosted speed, why is it stated to only be concentrated in the arm? </p> </i></div>
<p>Why do you associate speed boost with chakra in the the legs. Jugo literally creates chakra jet thrusters to move faster and this doesnt concentrate chakra in his feet. </p>