<div class="quote"><i> <p>CombatIQmatters wrote: @JamesSenpai Wow lots of concessions in your post there, and I'll be addressing each one. </p> </i></div>
<p>Que? What exactly did I admit is true? I haven't agreed with you except for it being able to grow and shrink, and change it's natures, and I haven't denied those which means I can't concede unless I agree to something I've denied? Unless you are conceding or one of those kids that use words without knowing what it means, I have no idea what you are on about. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>1) Complete bias. I said in my own post that for certain, itachi's main weakness is his stamina, so I accept your concession. the invinicbility only lasts if he has the stamina to hold the blade and mirror up, use common sense. He has shit stamina and a terminal illness. That's what ignoring key points does, you can't even see when you are repeating the same things I've already said. </p> </i></div>
<p>You make zero sense. Do you understand the English Language, you can't say someone is invincible but also say they have a weakness. You aren't invincible if you can lose. Come now, brain. I know you can do it. Use common sense. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>2) I accept your concession here as well, because it's clear that he can only wield the yata mirror and totsuka blade with his complete body susano'o, he has never shown the ability to wield it without his susano'o. Why that's the case is a question for itachi and the writer. I also accept your concession again, because the invincibility is only in play with yata and totsuka blade up. And you don't know whether or not the yata mirror and totsuka blade have their own chakra costs to be wielded, so you just made a baseless assumption. The yata mirror is a SHIELD, what are you talking about? the shield would simply protect him from chibaku tensei, it doesn't advance his gamestate in any way. He used bee and naruto's firepower to destroy the core because he doesn't know how powerful it is, then he used it as a smokescreen to attack nagato, it's like you didn't even pay attention. You clearly didn't pay attention to the kabuto fight either. We see itachi regularly deactivating his susano'o seemingly because of the izanami prep time, so that's enough proof that he couldn't susano'o continously in that fight while preparing izanami. </p> </i></div>
<p>Where is it said that it can only be wielded by a Susano'o? Isn't Totsuka and Yata ethereal (not Chakra) items, not Susano'o abilities? So outta here with that hyperbole made up goop. Where is it said that these Ethereal items cost Chakra as well? Do you make everything you say up, or do you actually follow the series and have any proof? That run down though on why he didn't use Yata with Bee and Naruto xD. Horrible explanation. He didn't use it because he didn't know how powerful it is? Gee, that makes so much sense (sarcasm). You said it blocks all attacks and protects him on it's own, so why does how powerful it is, matter? Why didn't it block Chibaku to begin with? I paid attention to Kabuto's fight just fine, thanks. Itachi could of formed the conditions with Susano'o just fine. He's a smart cookie and I know he can mind fuck Kabuto. He could also wield the mirror without Susano'o because it is an ethereal item. Just in case you didn't know kiddo, ethereal doesn't mean Chakra which the Susano'o is made of. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>I accept your concession, the author said he is invincible while wielding yata mirror and totsuka blade through black zetsu, then there is a stated mechanic for the mirror's defensive capability, and the totsuka blade is a one shot sword of sealing shown to be extradorinally fast. Nagato literally only needs a mental reaction to use preta path and shinra tensei, two techniques that can counter the blade as far as kabuto is concerned, and yet nagato couldn't react. Orochimaru couldn't react to the blade either. The weapons clearly are incredibly op by themselves, and especially in the hands of someone as smart as itachi. </p> </i></div>
<p>The author also said Kirin can't be evaded through Zetsu, so what's your point? That was shown to be wrong. I remember Itachi avoiding Kirin by using Susano'o, which means he evaded it. Zetsu has lied and been wrong nonestop through the series. His wiki page is full of goopy claims he's made. Sorry if I don't take the word of someone who is more wrong than right. He is as credible as false persona Itachi and false persona Madara (Obito). You need to learn how to take something said with a grain of salt when it comes from someone who is consistently wrong or speaking out of his ass with goop. Shit, is Hiruzen the greatest Hokage too? </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>4) Completely and utterly biased. Databook 3 states that the shield turns back any attack whether spiritual or physical. So yes it does move on it's own if that's what necessary to reflect the attack, smh. It isn't a fan made power, you just refuse to acknowledge what was stated and shown about it's abilities. It was clearly shown expanding in size to deflect hydra snakes and to protect itachi from paper bombs in Chapter 393 pg 8 and Chapter 392 pg 10, so I accept your concession. You made the request for proof that it can reflect an attack that comes from inside, when it's already stated to reflect all attacks. Doesn't say it can't reflect attacks coming from inside his susano'o. So you have been debunked. You have to prove that it can't reflect a certain kind of attack, when the shield is stated to reflect all attacks, full stop. I don't know what databook you have been reading but it clearly says : "incorporeal shield of the "Sacred Treasures". Endowed with all "nature transformations," it can change its own characteristics depending on the characteristics of the attack it receives, making the technique ineffective." It changes it's characteristics, not just the elements, proven by the fact we clearly saw it change size in the manga in response to an attack it recieved. The proof that the shield doesn't just cover the front is that it clearly expanded to the side of the susano'o when an attack was thrown there, period. Nothing says that the shield can't adapt to an attack coming from inside. If you think it can't , that's on you, but you have no evidence to support that claim. </p> </i></div>
<p>Nani??????? I'm biased because I don't believe Itachi is omnipotent like you? Well, if that's me being biased, I'll accept that proudly. As for Yata, that isn't proof it moves on it's own accord. Growing and changing it's properties isn't movement. Just because it can repel all attacks doesn't mean it moves on it's own either. That's just how you want it to be. I take it as it repels any attack it makes contact with and that's been shown where as your goop hasn't. Your evidence comes from a dude who is more wrong than right, and a Databook that states Amaterasu cannot be escaped by any jutsu -cough- Obito and 4th Rai -cough-. It also says that Chidori Kusangi can pierce through anything -cough- Yata???? Susano'o?????? -cough-. You need to learn the difference between hyperbole and facts. </p>

<p>1)the invincibility is only in play while he is wielding the yata mirror and totsuka blade as stated in the canon. Was Itachi invincible when he got bisected by kabuto? no. Was the yata mirror and totsuka blade up at that time? also no. So concession accepted. </p><p>2) Here is how this works. You make a claim, you prove it. The author has only shown itachi wielding the yata mirror and totsuka blade with his complete body susano'o and up. Where is your proof that it can be wielded by him without it? Nonexistent, just as I thought. You made the claim that it doesn't have a chakra cost, you prove that. You brought up those points, not me. Where was it stated or shown that it does or doesn't have a chakra cost? nowhere. Your other point is debunked because we clearly see him deactivating his susano'o whenever he is specifically working on prepping the izanami. </p><p>3) My explanation was just fine. The yata mirror is a shield. Did you see it vaporizing the snakes? did you see the shield attacking orochimaru, did you see the shield killing sasuke when he attacked itachi? no, it protects and/or deflects attacks, it doesn't actively do any offensive/destructive actions. He activates the yata mirror and he would be protected from chibaku tensei, but the mirror wouldn't destroy the core, it would simply stop the pull from affecting his susano'o and protect it from the rocks. naruto and bee's attacks aimed at nagato would still be disrupted by the gravitation, so the core needed to be destroyed. The Yata mirror would simply protect itachi, it doesn't do anything to stop the core from disrupting the terrain as a whole and attacks that are thrown toward nagato. Destroying it was common sense. After that, we clearly see itachi elevate to the his final susano'o form, and for all we know he used the yata mirror to protect himself and his allies from the explosion. You simply grasp at straws. Hiruzen is irrelevant because it was clearly explained the only reason he was considered a god was because people considered hashirama to be a fairytale. Kirin is also irrelevant because it was shown not to be unevadeable, while the yata mirror has not yet been debunked. </p><p>4) Rofl, the shield was clearly seen moving on it's own accord when it changed in size, moved to cover the side of susano'o, etc etc, all in response to attacks. Even on Chapter 393 pg 6, you can clearly see the shield expanding in size upward. Then the sfx: whoosh, is defined to be "movement through the air" according to the sfx guides, so that clearly means the shield was returning back to it's normal size. So the shield is capable of movement, so concession accepted. If the shield only changes for attacks that make "contact with it", then why is it moving/expanding to protect the side of susano'o, when the shield originally only covers the front? Last I check, momentum is a property of an object. The mirror can change any of it's properties in accordance with an attack to render it ineffective, so it can change it's velocity, period. More grasping at straws, those other hyperbole were debunked because they were shown to be countered in the manga, while the yata mirror has not been debunked, and there is a stated mechanic for it's invincibility. No one is harming itachi as long as his stamina lasts and as long as the shield and blade are being wielded, as per canon. Kishimoto>you. when his stamina runs out, then sure he dies, but the condition for invincibility was terminated at that point. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>CombatIQmatters wrote: 1)the invincibility is only in play while he is wielding the yata mirror and totsuka blade as stated in the canon. Was Itachi invincible when he got bisected by kabuto? no. Was the yata mirror and totsuka blade up at that time? also no. So concession accepted. </p> </i></div>
<p>As if. You really that delusioned to think Naruto and Sasuke at this current time can't beat Itachi while his Susano'o is up? Sheesh. Someone's over reaching. How is Itachi invincible? Zetsu? His words mean shit. He's consistently wrong so he has no credibility. There isn't a concession until I agree. Have I agreed? Nope. So how about you learn English? K? K. You obviosuly have no clue what that word means cause you're using it wrong asf. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>CombatIQmatters wrote: Here is how this works. You make a claim, you prove it. The author has only shown itachi wielding the yata mirror and totsuka blade with his complete body susano'o and up. Where is your proof that it can be wielded by him without it? Nonexistent, just as I thought. You made the claim that it doesn't have a chakra cost, you prove that. You brought up those points, not me. Where was it stated or shown that it does or doesn't have a chakra cost? nowhere. Your other point is debunked because we clearly see him deactivating his susano'o whenever he is specifically working on prepping the izanami. </p> </i></div>
<p>When it comes to jutsu, sure. But when it comes to items? No. An item only costs chakra when it is stated to. Does throwing a Kunai cost Chakra? Does using a sword cost Chakra? Does throwing a shoe cost Chakra? Ethereal isn't Chakra, so get out with your hyperbole goop. Who are you to say an item costs Chakra with no proof? You have literally no proof. I have to disprove you when it's an item? Yea, not how it works buckaroo. You made the claim that these items cost Chakra. You said it cost Chakra, not me. I asked for proof and I haven't seen any. But what can I expect from a fan who can't see the difference between hyperbole and fact and values the word of a guy wrong none stop even in that fight? Him saying Kirin can't be evaded already shows his words mean shit. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>CombatIQmatters wrote: My explanation was just fine. The yata mirror is a shield. Did you see it vaporizing the snakes? did you see the shield attacking orochimaru, did you see the shield killing sasuke when he attacked itachi? no, it protects and/or deflects attacks, it doesn't actively do any offensive/destructive actions. He activates the yata mirror and he would be protected from chibaku tensei, but the mirror wouldn't destroy the core, it would simply stop the pull from affecting his susano'o and protect it from the rocks. naruto and bee's attacks aimed at nagato would still be disrupted by the gravitation, so the core needed to be destroyed. The Yata mirror would simply protect itachi, it doesn't do anything to stop the core from disrupting the terrain as a whole and attacks that are thrown toward nagato. Destroying it was common sense. After that, we clearly see itachi elevate to the his final susano'o form, and for all we know he used the yata mirror to protect himself and his allies from the explosion. You simply grasp at straws. Hiruzen is irrelevant because it was clearly explained the only reason he was considered a god was because people considered hashirama to be a fairytale. Kirin is also irrelevant because it was shown not to be unevadeable, while the yata mirror has not yet been debunked. </p> </i></div>
<p>Your explanation is far from fine. Growing is not movement. It's an increase in size. You need to move to another location for it to be considered movement. Did the shield move from one location to another without Susano'o? No, it stayed in the same location it was in and just got bigger and/or smaller. So where is your proof? And do you even read the technique you are arguing about? Or is this delusion? 3rd DB states it repels all attacks, but it's not going to do that with Chibaku? Itachi can't repel it back at Nagato? Guess the DB 3 is wrong then and you no longer have anything. Cool. Why didn't he just use Yata to repell the gravitational pull of Chibaku since it's an attack? </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>CombatIQmatters wrote: Rofl, the shield was clearly seen moving on it's own accord when it changed in size, moved to cover the side of susano'o, etc etc, all in response to attacks. Even on Chapter 393 pg 6, you can clearly see the shield expanding in size upward. Then the sfx: whoosh, is defined to be "movement through the air" according to the sfx guides, so that clearly means the shield was returning back to it's normal size. So the shield is capable of movement, so concession accepted. If the shield only changes for attacks that make "contact with it", then why is it moving/expanding to protect the side of susano'o, when the shield originally only covers the front? Last I check, momentum is a property of an object. The mirror can change any of it's properties in accordance with an attack to render it ineffective, so it can change it's velocity, period. More grasping at straws, those other hyperbole were debunked because they were shown to be countered in the manga, while the yata mirror has not been debunked, and there is a stated mechanic for it's invincibility. No one is harming itachi as long as his stamina lasts and as long as the shield and blade are being wielded, as per canon. Kishimoto>you. when his stamina runs out, then sure he dies, but the condition for invincibility was terminated at that point. </p> </i></div>
<p>Boy do you need to learn English. Growing and Movement are two different things. You should pick up a dictionary cause so far you have used consession wrong and don't know the difference between movement and growing. I would like to see this sfx guide too, where is it? If it isn't written by Kishimoto and belongs to a scanalation, don't bother. I've read enough to know that all sites translate things differently. Also where's your proof that was for the shield and not Susano'o changing forms? Also there's a difference between a character statement and how Kishimoto actually feels. Characters are right until proven wrong? Hiruzen in his prime is the greatest Hokage then cause it wasn't proven wrong. "Kishimoto>you", what a bunch of goop. Sounds like at this point your back is against the corner with all that made up voohoo goop. </p>

<p>@JameSenpai Your reading comprehension is literally trash tier, so I don't want to hear any accusations from you that I don't understand English. It took you 3 posts to even understand one of my basic arguments, and you read too much into my" I accept your concession" statement, which obviously means that I have shown you don't have a counterargument and are just throwing fluff. Clear bias, naruto and sasuke aren't special, their attacks aren't getting through yata, Kishimoto>you. </p><p>ROFL, no I don't you are the one making the claim that these ethereal items don't have a chakra cost. That was not stated or shown in the canon, so you have to prove your claims. You even grasp at straws by bringing up kunai, which verifiably aren't a ninjutsu or anything like that. No one knows the origin of those ethereal items or whether they use chakra or anything like that, or if they incur any cost to the wielder, it's mere speculation. I never made any claims, I simply said saying it doesn't have a chakra cost without any evidence to support your claims is a baseless assumption. If you don't know, you don't know, period. The author clearly showed Itachi utilizing those weapons with his susano'o. He isn't seen walking around with them. His rib cage susano'o isn't shown with it. Not even his skeletal susano'o is seen wielding it. Only his fully armored susano'o and complete body susano'o are seen wielding it. The weapons weren't originally apart of his susano'o, but it's very clear that itachi has bound them to his susano'o, and as such they inherently now have a chakra cost since their usage is directly tied to susano'o, a technique that requires chakra, period. Furthermore, even the Sage of Six path's ninja tools were stated to have a chakra cost, so nothing says the yata mirror or totsuka blade don't incur a cost to the user, there is simply not enough information. So get your facts straight before coming at me. </p><p>Rofl. I very clearly stated that the chibaku tensei wouldn't affect his susano'o. Nagato launches the core. The core isn't an attack in of itself, it's gravitational pull is the "attack". The yata mirror would negate the effect of the pull on itachi and his susano'o. The yata mirror wouldn't destroy the core because it is purely defensive not offense, as proven when it didn't vaporize sasuke or the snakes. It's Itachi's job to do the offense. The chibaku tensei would still be free to destroy the rest of the terrain and it would still disrupt naruto and bee's attacks. What are they supposed to do, camp in itachi's susano'o forever? They have a war to fight and edo tensei to seal. So, They destroyed the core, stopped the landscape from being destroyed, and moved on with their lives. If nagato dodged the totsuka blitz, then the fight would drag out and the chibaku tensei would cause a problem for their attacks if not destroyed. </p><p>Rofl, It's not my job to provide you with the resources. Get yourself access to the Viz, which are official naruto manga translations. The Viz scans clearly show what I have been describing. The sfx:whoosh is clearly on the yata mirror, which indicates in that context it was shrinking back to normal size. Idk what to tell you, you have the ability to see. The susano'o isn't that tall, and even simply looking at the shape shows that it's the mirror. Get yourself access to the Viz which also offers a sfx guide in each volume, plus there are plenty of sfx dictionaries online. You clearly have access to the internet, so figure it out. </p><p>Rofl, Chapter 393 pg 9, you can see the yata mirror is covering a huge portion of the SIDE of Susano'o. Chapter 393 pg 8, you can clearly see the yata mirror expanding to cover the left side of itachi and his susano'o, even almost reaching to cover the back of Susano'o. I know you can see, and I know you aren't dumb, so I accept your concession. Your semantics about movement is irrelevant, because the shield clearly must move in order to defend against atttacks. Growing in size, changing shape , is enough proof it can do that. The databook clearly states it can change any of it's properties/characertisitcs. So it can change it's speed. In order to change your speed, you must be able to move, so you have been debunked. </p><p>Rofl, you are the one who's back is against the wall. Characters are right until proven wrong, because of the context. Black Zetsu was a spectator for the audience and is an information speclaist. I could care less if Black Zetsu has been wrong, everyone has been wrong about something. No one is omniscient, neither you or I included. Hashirama thought it was possible for sasuke could change madara's heart. he was proven wrong when madara stabbed sasuke in the heart, does that suddenly mean everything that comes out of hashirama's mouth is false? no it doesn't. Kishimoto supported zetsu's statement when he gave a mechanic for yata mirror's invincibility in his databook, so yes it is how the author feels. Kishimoto is right until proven wrong because it's his manga, not yours. </p><p>I'll give you credit though, you at least had the honesty with yourself to admit the shield has changed in size, unlike other people. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>CombatIQmatters wrote: @JameSenpai Your reading comprehension is literally trash tier, so I don't want to hear any accusations from you that I don't understand English. It took you 3 posts to even understand one of my basic arguments, and you read too much into my" I accept your concession" statement, which obviously means that I have shown you don't have a counterargument and are just throwing fluff. Clear bias, naruto and sasuke aren't special, their attacks aren't getting through yata, Kishimoto>you. </p><p>ROFL, no I don't you are the one making the claim that these ethereal items don't have a chakra cost. That was not stated or shown in the canon, so you have to prove your claims. You even grasp at straws by bringing up kunai, which verifiably aren't a ninjutsu or anything like that. No one knows the origin of those ethereal items or whether they use chakra or anything like that, or if they incur any cost to the wielder, it's mere speculation. I never made any claims, I simply said saying it doesn't have a chakra cost without any evidence to support your claims is a baseless assumption. If you don't know, you don't know, period. The author clearly showed Itachi utilizing those weapons with his susano'o. He isn't seen walking around with them. His rib cage susano'o isn't shown with it. Not even his skeletal susano'o is seen wielding it. Only his fully armored susano'o and complete body susano'o are seen wielding it. The weapons weren't originally apart of his susano'o, but it's very clear that itachi has bound them to his susano'o, and as such they inherently now have a chakra cost since their usage is directly tied to susano'o, a technique that requires chakra, period. Furthermore, even the Sage of Six path's ninja tools were stated to have a chakra cost, so nothing says the yata mirror or totsuka blade don't incur a cost to the user, there is simply not enough information. So get your facts straight before coming at me. </p><p>Rofl. I very clearly stated that the chibaku tensei wouldn't affect his susano'o. Nagato launches the core. The core isn't an attack in of itself, it's gravitational pull is the "attack". The yata mirror would negate the effect of the pull on itachi and his susano'o. The yata mirror wouldn't destroy the core because it is purely defensive not offense, as proven when it didn't vaporize sasuke or the snakes. It's Itachi's job to do the offense. The chibaku tensei would still be free to destroy the rest of the terrain and it would still disrupt naruto and bee's attacks. What are they supposed to do, camp in itachi's susano'o forever? They have a war to fight and edo tensei to seal. So, They destroyed the core, stopped the landscape from being destroyed, and moved on with their lives. If nagato dodged the totsuka blitz, then the fight would drag out and the chibaku tensei would cause a problem for their attacks if not destroyed. </p><p>Rofl, It's not my job to provide you with the resources. Get yourself access to the Viz, which are official naruto manga translations. The Viz scans clearly show what I have been describing. The sfx:whoosh is clearly on the yata mirror, which indicates in that context it was shrinking back to normal size. Idk what to tell you, you have the ability to see. The susano'o isn't that tall, and even simply looking at the shape shows that it's the mirror. Get yourself access to the Viz which also offers a sfx guide in each volume, plus there are plenty of sfx dictionaries online. You clearly have access to the internet, so figure it out. </p><p>Rofl, Chapter 393 pg 9, you can see the yata mirror is covering a huge portion of the SIDE of Susano'o. Chapter 393 pg 8, you can clearly see the yata mirror expanding to cover the left side of itachi and his susano'o, even almost reaching to cover the back of Susano'o. I know you can see, and I know you aren't dumb, so I accept your concession. Your semantics about movement is irrelevant, because the shield clearly must move in order to defend against atttacks. Growing in size, changing shape , is enough proof it can do that. The databook clearly states it can change any of it's properties/characertisitcs. So it can change it's speed. In order to change your speed, you must be able to move, so you have been debunked. </p><p>Rofl, you are the one who's back is against the wall. Characters are right until proven wrong, because of the context. Black Zetsu was a spectator for the audience and is an information speclaist. I could care less if Black Zetsu has been wrong, everyone has been wrong about something. No one is omniscient, neither you or I included. Hashirama thought it was possible for sasuke could change madara's heart. he was proven wrong when madara stabbed sasuke in the heart, does that suddenly mean everything that comes out of hashirama's mouth is false? no it doesn't. Kishimoto supported zetsu's statement when he gave a mechanic for yata mirror's invincibility in his databook, so yes it is how the author feels. Kishimoto is right until proven wrong because it's his manga, not yours. </p><p>I'll give you credit though, you at least had the honesty with yourself to admit the shield has changed in size, unlike other people. </p> </i></div>
<p>Bleh. You give me a headache. For one, I'm not biased. How is someone biased for saying someone isn't omnipotent when that character said everyone has a weakness? Itachi is actually one of my favorite characters fyi if not my favorite (can't really decide between him and Shisui), so it just shows how wrong and judgmental you are. I just can't stand other people who give us fans a bad image with their none sense of calling a character invincible. It's people like you that makes the Itachi fan community have such a bad image. </p><p>I read everything you said just fine. No one believes that. Not even Kishimoto. So your whole "Kishimoto>you" crap, doesn't work. Kishimoto didn't say Itachi was invincible. Even in the hyperbole shit, he didn't. He said the mirror can block any attack. Can is used. That means it has the ability to. Doesn't mean it automatically does it. I can speak spanish, but that doesn't mean I automatically speak spanish. A sword can be sharp. Does't mean it automatically is. Sasuke's Kusangi supposedly can pierce through anything, but it doesn't go around piercing things on it's own. Come on dude. </p><p>Yes, you need to prove your claims. They are said to be items. Objects. It isn't said a kunai doesn't cost Chakra does it? No. So by that rule a kunai costs Chakra to use. You have no proof that they cost Chakra do you? All I need to say is they're items and that's that. Items only cost Chakra when they are said to. If you want to continue arguing over it, then show me I'm wrong. </p><p>I'm looking at the viz site and they don't have a sfx guide. Que? </p><p>So pretty much you are saying growing is movement? Well thanks for proving my point on not knowing the difference. You have to move from one location to another. It never did. Susano'o's arm did. So gg. </p><p>Black Zetsu is almost always wrong, so no. A character is not right until proven wrong. Hiruzen in prime is stronger than Hashirama then. You can't say something is a rule and deny something that follows that rule. We haven't seen prime Hiruzen have we? So nothing proves the statement wrong. So by that rule, he's the strongest Hokage until we see his prime showing the opposite. Too bad no one follows that logic. Character statements are always taken with a grain of salt for reasons like Sasuke at Genin already reacting to Light speed cause of Haku's statement and the Db entry saying he moves at the speed of reflections which is light speed. By that rule Itachi is weaker than Jiraiya which I disagree entirely. He said he couldn't take him and we have nothing to prove the statement wrong without guessing. So hell no is that legit. Can Itachi be beaten? Yes. So he isn't invincible. </p><p>I don't deny proof. If you got it, I accept it. I really have no reason to deny anything that helps a Character I like either. The argument you and me have is can Yata move without Susano'o's arm moving it? I see no proof it can. Expanding isn't movement. Movement has to be a change in locations. If the shield stays in one location but just grows, it isn't changing locations. If a tree grows, it's not moving to a new location. It's just growing. </p><p>You said it yourself. Itachi added them to his Susano'o. He didn't need to, he chose to. It's also said that Orochimaru searched for the sword which means people can hold them. </p>

<p>@JamesSenpai The reason I said you are biased is for a few reasons. One, you keep putting words in my mouth. I said Itachi is only invincible while he is wielding both the blade and the mirror, as stated in the canon. How is that so hard to understand? Seriously, reread all my posts. If you think I'm being judgmental, then I'll tone down my posts, but if you actually stopped putting words in my mouth that would be nice. </p><p>I stated from the beginning, Itachi has two major weaknesses. He doesn't start in susano'o. If you are fast enough, you can blitz him before he activates it. Two, he has shit stamina and a terminal illness, which means he isn't holding up the mirror long enough against multiple high level opponents. He will succumb to his stamina and die eventually. </p><p>
</p><p>It doesn't matter if Itachi is your favorite character or not. Our discussion is about the abilities of the Yata Mirror. The point is the Yata mirror turns back any attack, full stop. The reason I said you were biased was because you made predictable comments like: "You really that delusioned to think Naruto and Sasuke at this current time can't beat Itachi while his Susano'o is up? Sheesh." What does the current Naruto and Sasuke have to do with the shown feats and description of the Yata mirror, absolutely nothing. </p><p>No I don't have to prove anything. The bottomline is, Itachi has bound those weapons to his susano'o. There is no evidence that he can currently wield them without it, even if that was the case when he originally found those weapons. The burden of proof is on you to claim that he can. The fact that he doesn't wield them 24/7 would imply there is a cost. Even if there is none, Itachi made the conscious decision to bind them to his susano'o, which costs chakra to maintain. Kunai, swords, and shurikens aren't the same as a spiritual weapon. Paper bombs cost chakra, and any other relevant tool of a similiar category does. The proof is that he didn't use the yata mirror to block kirin. Going by your logic, he could have simply spawned the yata mirror out of his ass and blocked the attack, yet he clearly attributed his survival to his susano'o. That in of itself proves that he must achieve the complete body susano'o before he can wield the mirror, end of story. There isn't even physical evidence that he managed to elevate that far. In my opinion, he only got up to the skeletal susano'o based on all the evidence. </p><p>More putting words in my mouth. When did I state that growing and moving are the exact same thing? nowhere. I simply said the mirror grows to adapt to the attack, and if it must, it can move on it's own based on the databook description. It wasn't seen moving in the canon because that wasn't a necessary adapation, growing in size satisfied itachi's needs. </p><p>Furthermore, you missed the context of what I said. The mirror clearly was seen moving because it has the sfx:whoosh, which means rapid movement through the air. Again, Chapter 393 pg 6. The mirror rapidly expanded in height, and in this CONTEXT, movement refers to the shield shrinking through the air back to it's normal size. The shield grew but growing and shrinking through the air is a type of movement. </p><p>How am I supposed to take you seriously when you can't understand alternative uses for English words. Furthermore, you come at me even suggesting that I would use fake translations to support my argument, when you still haven't accessed the Viz scans and looked up the sfx dictionary for yourself. Like I said, the physical copies of naruto come with a sfx guide. If you don't have a physical copy, then I don't know what to tell you, there are plenty of methods online that you can use to get access to the information. I don't want you claiming I'm using false info, I want you to see it for yourself on your own accord. If you needed assistance, then you should have asked or gotten the resources before blurting out your claims. </p><p>
Furthermore, Like I said, Kishimoto is right until proven wrong. I don't care about the databook claiming genin sasuke was light speed in reactions, because that was debunked well before that databook entry came out. The databook always has hyperbolic entries, and entries designed for trolling, like claiming sasuke has god like speed and can take on all the akatsuki, while on the same page showing his godlike speed being reacted to. There is a difference between those types of entries and entries that are supported by the manga and have not been debunked in any shape or form. I don't care about your subjective views about how you judge character credibility. Everyone has been wrong about something, period. Kabuto himself was the one who claimed hirzuen was the strongest and kabuto retracted that statment when he admitted he didn't know about hashirama's true power. The Fact that the databook and shown feats support Black Zetsu's statement debunks your claim. Kishimoto said the shield turns back any attack by altering it's attributes in accordance with the attack in his databook, so he is right until proven wrong. </p><p>Lol, and anyone who has watched Itachi's feats knows that Jiraiya isn't even a match for even a serious 3 tomoe Itachi. Jiraiya can't track his clone formation speeds, so he is gonna get stomped by an exploding shadow clone. Everyone knows Itachi was playing the role of a spy when he told kisame that Jiraiya was too much for Kisame + Itachi+ reinforcements. Kisame himself knew that, because after they retreated, he said to itachi "why did we have to retreat, with your power...?". Lmao, even Kisame knows itachi was jobbing to Jiraiya. Rofl, even Kisame alone is enough to beat Jiraiya. Kisame thought Jiraiya was stronger than him based on hype, but he didn't know what Jiraiya was actually capable of. In an actual fight Kisame would literally suck Jiraiya dry. Lion's mane? drained by samehada. Rasengan? drained by samehada. Suiton>katon. Sage mode is irrelevant because Kisame would drain jiraiya dry before he got the chance to turn kisame into stone. Jiriaya would have to fill Kisame with nature energy amounting to the size of Kisame's reserves, and Kisame in base has bijuu levels of chakra. Jiraiya is dead before that happens. With just two sword strikes, Kisame literally absorbed all of Killer Bee's chakra, to the point Killer Bee had to rely purely on Gyuki's chakra to fight Kisame, which says alot. Kisame and Itachi one versus one are two beasts out of Jiraiya's league, so Kisame and Itachi against Jiraiya is pure spite. </p><p>This is why I said you were biased, because you bring up statements that were clearly debunked by other statements and shown feats, which comes across like You are grasping at straws. But anyways, I did get a bit hotheaded, So I apologize. </p>

<p>Look Bottom line Itachi with Yata mirror is OP, only if susanoo activates. But then again, dude's was seriously sick and can't maintain Susanoo for that long. Just avoid him until the susanoo runs out, and then just blitz him. Naruto's speed helps him with that (Six Paths Naruto). </p>

<p>@Areeb.hasan </p><p>Thank you, you actually understood what I was saying. but Six paths naruto can't outlast Itachi 1v1. Genjutsu at Itachi's level is still the bane of Naruto's existence. Itachi wins via finger genjutsu followed by Tsykuyomi. Naruto needs backup to defeat Itachi. Itachi with yata and totsuka is still a god tier shinobi. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>CombatIQmatters wrote: @Areeb.hasan </p><p>Thank you, you actually understood what I was saying. but Six paths naruto can't outlast Itachi 1v1. Genjutsu at Itachi's level is still the bane of Naruto's existence. Itachi wins via finger genjutsu followed by Tsykuyomi. Naruto needs backup to defeat Itachi. Itachi with yata and totsuka is still a god tier shinobi. </p> </i></div>
<p>Oh right, forgot about tsykuyomi. Although the second part of the argument, Naruto and Sasuke (they are definitely content with working together by the point they got six paths.) both are god tiers and OP in their own way. Naruto outclasses nearly both Itachi and Sasuke in pure raw power, while Sasuke is more like Itachi, with genjutsus (albeit not as strong ones), Chidoris, EMS powers (which is where he would beat Itachi in terms of abilities) and then the Rinnegan, further enhancing his usefulness in battle. </p>

<p>Itachi vs Six paths Sasuke and six paths Naruto is interesting. Yata mirror would stop Amenotejikara in it's tracks. But Itachi has to elevate to complete body susano'o first. He can end up dying to the pincer attack naruto and sasuke used against juubidara before the mirror comes out, because he doesn't have any intel on sasuke's new technique. but that assumes Sasuke would use Ameno immediately, would he? </p>