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ALL POSTSBecause Obito did not wake up rinnegan / Sarada with rinnegan
<p>In Naruto to awaken the rinnegan is much more difficult than arousing the tenseigan. To awaken the tenseigan it is necessary to implant the byakugan of a hyuuga in an ootsutsuki of the moon, by that logic to implant cells of an ootsutsuki of the moon in a hyuuga with byakugan would also work, as well as to implant the cells of hashirama (Ashura) in madara (Indra ) originated the rinnegan, and also the same would be valid if the eien no mangekyou of madara (Indra) in hashirama (Ashura) was implanted.
</p><p>The difference in difficulty lies in the fact that the rinnegan requires the EIEN NO MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN of a reincarnation of INDRA along with the cells (chakra) of an ASHURA reincarnation, while the tenseigan required a byakugan of a hyuuga and the cells (chakra) an ootsutsuki of the moon.
</p><p>The interpretation that it is only possible to awaken the rinnegan with the reincarnations of INDRA and ASHURA occurred coincidentally by the fact that only madara, Indra's reincarnation, managed the rinnegan by implanting hashirama cells (Ashura's reincarnation), and later, sasuke who is also Indra's reincarnation along with the other "half" Ashura won by the hagoromo.
</p><p>But my opinion is that this did not happen because they are reincarnations, but rather because they managed to reach the eien no mangekyou sharingan level. In the story of Naruto the only ones that reached that level were Indra, Madara and Sasuke, so Madara reached that level and got Senju cells and Sasuke also reached that level and got his own chakra of the hagoromo, thus getting them both to wake the rinnegan.
</p><p>I have already seen many asking why Obito did not awaken the rinnegan, the fact that Obito did not awaken the rinnegan was not because he was not a reincarnation of INDRA, but because he never achieved the level of EIEN NO MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN, besides the fact have only one sharingan.
</p><p>I see that Sarada has the possibility of awakening the rinnegan if she implanted the hashirama cells and if he reached the level of the eien no mangekyou sharingan.
</p><p>Agree?
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So even without an eien no mangekyou sharingan it would be possible to wake up a rinnegan? So why did not Naruto wake up the rinnegan?
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<p>Naruto did not get Sasuke, Madara, or Hagoromo's DNA. He only borrowed half of Hagoromo's chakra. If he actually had a flesh/dna implant Naruto would have awakened the Rinnegan, but since he did not have the DNA implanted he did not. Sasuke and Madara each had actual Hashirama DNA implanted into them.. they each awakened Rinnegan. I think that makes it clear enough.
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<p>FlatZone wrote:
Naruto did not get Sasuke, Madara, or Hagoromo's DNA. He only borrowed half of Hagoromo's chakra. If he actually had a flesh/dna implant Naruto would have awakened the Rinnegan, but since he did not have the DNA implanted he did not. Sasuke and Madara each had actual Hashirama DNA implanted into them.. they each awakened Rinnegan. I think that makes it clear enough.
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sasuke won the hagoromo chakra and so aroused the rinnegan, Naruto also gained hagoromo chakra and therefore should also have awakened the rinnegan then. </p>
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sasuke won the hagoromo chakra and so aroused the rinnegan, Naruto also gained hagoromo chakra and therefore should also have awakened the rinnegan then. </p>
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<p>Kabuto used Hashirama's DNA to repair Sasuke's heart when Madara stabbed him right through it. Being gifted some Hag chakra boosted the awakening process for him, as without it he would have awakened it years down the line just like how Madara did. Naruto did not gain any flesh/dna from anybody at all, he only was gifted some Hagoromo chakra too. It's really just that simple.
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<p>FlatZone wrote:
Kabuto used Hashirama's DNA to repair Sasuke's heart when Madara stabbed him right through it. Being gifted some Hag chakra boosted the awakening process for him, as without it he would have awakened it years down the line just like how Madara did. Naruto did not gain any flesh/dna from anybody at all, he only was gifted some Hagoromo chakra too. It's really just that simple.
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<p>Did kabuto give hashirama cells to sasuke? Where did you see that? </p>
<p>Did kabuto give hashirama cells to sasuke? Where did you see that? </p>
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<p>It's when Kabuto healed Sasuke during the 4th War, the translation shows that he used Hashirama's DNA to repair Sasuke's heart.
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<p>Hago gave Sasuke half of his chakra directly. That is the reason why he awakened the Rinnegan. It had nothing to do with Hashi's cells being transplanted into his body.
</p><p>If that was the case, then Naruto would have awakened the Rinnegan after Tsunade made him an arm cultured from Hashi's cells after the 4th war.
</p><p>Hashi was a transmigrant when MAdara took his flesh and implanted it into himself. Because MAdara was a transmigrant too, it allowed Asura and Indra's chakras to mix and bring out Hago's chakra, which eventually turned MAdara's Sharingan into Rinnegan.
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<p>So according to this logic, Naruto should have ALSO awakened the Rinnegan, and since Naruto did indeed gain a Hashirama arm that means one thing.. You need the Sharingan too, to be able to awaken the Rinnegan. As ONLY Madara and Sasuke have awakened it after Hagoromo and they have 3 things in common: Sharingan, EMS, and are transmigrants.
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(Edited by BloodOfTheArchon)
<p>Well lets start round (*counts*) 9 of this discussion.
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<p>Princeharris1993 wrote:
Hago gave Sasuke half of his chakra directly. That is the reason why he awakened the Rinnegan. It had nothing to do with Hashi's cells being transplanted into his body.
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<p>Sasuke did get hashirama's cells from Kabuto though. Naturally awakening a rinnegan can take ages, so Hagoromo sped up the process and ensured he had only one eye. But getting chakra doesn't give you powers. I don't see alliance veterans running around with Kyubi cloaks anymore. Same with Kakashi not having a Kurama mode. Chakra transfers cannot give powers like that. Gaara doesn't have a Kyubi cloak, the Sound Ninja who stole Sasuke's chakra doesn't have Sharingan, etc etc etc etc etc. </p><p>Hagoromo can take power that's present and alter it (e.g. he turned the Juubi from one being to 9), so that's likely what he did to Naruto and Sasuke: Take what was present and alter it to suit his needs. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Princeharris1993 wrote: If that was the case, then Naruto would have awakened the Rinnegan after Tsunade made him an arm cultured from Hashi's cells after the 4th war. </p> </i></div>
<p>No, Naruto already naturally has Ashura's chakra. He could get his head placed on a Hashirama clone body and it still wouldn't give him a Rinnegan. He needs Madara's or Sasuke's flesh, which he never got. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Princeharris1993 wrote: which eventually turned MAdara's Sharingan into Rinnegan. </p> </i></div>
<p>Probably the source of all confusion, but it didn't. Madara awoke Rinnegan as a separate power from Sharingan. The most obvious piece of evidence here is right as Madara starts fighting after being reanimated. When he puts Ay under Genjutsu he switches back to EMS. It makes no sense if the Rinnegan were a true evolution (MS users don't need to switch to sharingan to use its base powers). </p><p>Sasuke also uses Rinnegan as a separate power (e.g. when he overuses his sharingan power, the tomoe disappear from his Rinnegan but his Rinnegan stays active). </p>
<p>Sasuke did get hashirama's cells from Kabuto though. Naturally awakening a rinnegan can take ages, so Hagoromo sped up the process and ensured he had only one eye. But getting chakra doesn't give you powers. I don't see alliance veterans running around with Kyubi cloaks anymore. Same with Kakashi not having a Kurama mode. Chakra transfers cannot give powers like that. Gaara doesn't have a Kyubi cloak, the Sound Ninja who stole Sasuke's chakra doesn't have Sharingan, etc etc etc etc etc. </p><p>Hagoromo can take power that's present and alter it (e.g. he turned the Juubi from one being to 9), so that's likely what he did to Naruto and Sasuke: Take what was present and alter it to suit his needs. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Princeharris1993 wrote: If that was the case, then Naruto would have awakened the Rinnegan after Tsunade made him an arm cultured from Hashi's cells after the 4th war. </p> </i></div>
<p>No, Naruto already naturally has Ashura's chakra. He could get his head placed on a Hashirama clone body and it still wouldn't give him a Rinnegan. He needs Madara's or Sasuke's flesh, which he never got. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Princeharris1993 wrote: which eventually turned MAdara's Sharingan into Rinnegan. </p> </i></div>
<p>Probably the source of all confusion, but it didn't. Madara awoke Rinnegan as a separate power from Sharingan. The most obvious piece of evidence here is right as Madara starts fighting after being reanimated. When he puts Ay under Genjutsu he switches back to EMS. It makes no sense if the Rinnegan were a true evolution (MS users don't need to switch to sharingan to use its base powers). </p><p>Sasuke also uses Rinnegan as a separate power (e.g. when he overuses his sharingan power, the tomoe disappear from his Rinnegan but his Rinnegan stays active). </p>
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<p>I don't get how people can still be confused about this after years.
First and foremost, Hagoromo gave powers to Naruto and Sasuke, he didn't give each the entirety of his chakra, but rather different traits for each.
He doesn't want for an individual to have all the powers, hence why he gave SPS to Naruto and Rinnegan for Sasuke.
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(Edited by Elveonora)