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ALL POSTSBecause Obito did not wake up rinnegan / Sarada with rinnegan
<p>In Naruto to awaken the rinnegan is much more difficult than arousing the tenseigan. To awaken the tenseigan it is necessary to implant the byakugan of a hyuuga in an ootsutsuki of the moon, by that logic to implant cells of an ootsutsuki of the moon in a hyuuga with byakugan would also work, as well as to implant the cells of hashirama (Ashura) in madara (Indra ) originated the rinnegan, and also the same would be valid if the eien no mangekyou of madara (Indra) in hashirama (Ashura) was implanted.
</p><p>The difference in difficulty lies in the fact that the rinnegan requires the EIEN NO MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN of a reincarnation of INDRA along with the cells (chakra) of an ASHURA reincarnation, while the tenseigan required a byakugan of a hyuuga and the cells (chakra) an ootsutsuki of the moon.
</p><p>The interpretation that it is only possible to awaken the rinnegan with the reincarnations of INDRA and ASHURA occurred coincidentally by the fact that only madara, Indra's reincarnation, managed the rinnegan by implanting hashirama cells (Ashura's reincarnation), and later, sasuke who is also Indra's reincarnation along with the other "half" Ashura won by the hagoromo.
</p><p>But my opinion is that this did not happen because they are reincarnations, but rather because they managed to reach the eien no mangekyou sharingan level. In the story of Naruto the only ones that reached that level were Indra, Madara and Sasuke, so Madara reached that level and got Senju cells and Sasuke also reached that level and got his own chakra of the hagoromo, thus getting them both to wake the rinnegan.
</p><p>I have already seen many asking why Obito did not awaken the rinnegan, the fact that Obito did not awaken the rinnegan was not because he was not a reincarnation of INDRA, but because he never achieved the level of EIEN NO MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN, besides the fact have only one sharingan.
</p><p>I see that Sarada has the possibility of awakening the rinnegan if she implanted the hashirama cells and if he reached the level of the eien no mangekyou sharingan.
</p><p>Agree?
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<p>Thekillman wrote:
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<p>Elveonora wrote:
I don't get how people can still be confused about this after years.
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<p>People still get confused over "hard work was a major theme in Naruto". </p> </div> <p>Because it stopped being a theme as of the 4SWW arc. </p><p>People are also confused because many of the details are super vague. Sasuke getting Hashi cells. Supposedly all that is necessary for Rinnegan is to get Hagoromo's chakra. Which Sasuke did. </p><p>Its not specified if Hagoromo specifically gave them their abilities or if thats how they naturally reacted to his chakra or a combination of both. </p>
<p>People still get confused over "hard work was a major theme in Naruto". </p> </div> <p>Because it stopped being a theme as of the 4SWW arc. </p><p>People are also confused because many of the details are super vague. Sasuke getting Hashi cells. Supposedly all that is necessary for Rinnegan is to get Hagoromo's chakra. Which Sasuke did. </p><p>Its not specified if Hagoromo specifically gave them their abilities or if thats how they naturally reacted to his chakra or a combination of both. </p>
(Edited by LegionZero)
<p>Hagoromo did give them his chakra, but people for whatever reason believe that Hagoromo granting his chakra to someone, equals the someone receiving all of Hagoromo's powers.
Hagoromo specifically made sure that Naruto got SPS and Sasuke Rinnegan, he didn't want Naruto to have the Rinnegan as well, hence why he doesn't.
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<p>Everyone is confused that Madara and Sasuke got Rinnegan due to Hashirama's cells?
</p><p>Madara and Sasuke are stated to have Indras Chakra, this is without a doubt, fact.
</p><p>Hashirama is stated to have Asura's Chakra, this is without a doubt, fact.
</p><p>By merging Indra's and Asura's Chakra, you get Rinnegan. This was stated.
</p><p>Naruto would not have Rinnegan even with Hashirama's hand, because he doesn't have Indra's chakra. Otsutsuki's prove you don't need Sharingan to get Rinnegan.
</p><p>Naruto and Sasuke don't have the souls of Indra and Asura. They just inherited their Chakra and will.
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(Edited by LoneNinja)
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<p>LegionZero wrote:
Because it stopped being a theme as of the 4SWW arc.
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<p>It was never a theme. It was Rock Lee's theme, but then his hard work lost against a genius with innate power. Naruto's hard work lost against Neji's genius until he tapped into Kurama (which isn't hard work). Hard work has never won battles. </p><p>The main theme of Naruto is to never give up. Hard work is merely the initial step. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>LegionZero wrote: Its not specified if Hagoromo specifically gave them their abilities or if thats how they naturally reacted to his chakra or a combination of both. </p> </i></div>
<p>Databooks says it was hagoromo. </p>
<p>It was never a theme. It was Rock Lee's theme, but then his hard work lost against a genius with innate power. Naruto's hard work lost against Neji's genius until he tapped into Kurama (which isn't hard work). Hard work has never won battles. </p><p>The main theme of Naruto is to never give up. Hard work is merely the initial step. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>LegionZero wrote: Its not specified if Hagoromo specifically gave them their abilities or if thats how they naturally reacted to his chakra or a combination of both. </p> </i></div>
<p>Databooks says it was hagoromo. </p>
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<p>LoneNinja wrote:
</p><p>Everyone is confused that Madara and Sasuke got Rinnegan due to Hashirama's cells?
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<p>Because the series makes it cryptic as to whether or not Sasuke actually did and the databook says he got his powers through Hagoromo and IIRC makes no mention of Hashirama cells. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>LoneNinja wrote: </p><p>By merging Indra's and Asura's Chakra, you get Rinnegan. This was stated. </p> </i></div>
<p>This is true but the importance of combining those 2 chakras is recreate Hagoromo's chakra. Whom Naruto recieved chakra directly from. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>LoneNinja wrote: </p><p>Naruto would not have Rinnegan even with Hashirama's hand, because he doesn't have Indra's chakra. Otsutsuki's prove you don't need Sharingan to get Rinnegan. </p> </i></div>
<p>Actually considering Urashiki has a Sharingan-Rinnegan like Sasuke the two eyes are related somewhat. The truest/original form of each is a combination of both. The Sharingan not being a pre-req doesnt mean that the eyes that hold the Sharingan dont also hold the Rinnegan. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Thekillman wrote: </p><p>
It was never a theme. It was Rock Lee's theme, but then his hard work lost against a genius with innate power. Naruto's hard work lost against Neji's genius until he tapped into Kurama (which isn't hard work). Hard work has never won battles. </p> </i></div>
<p>It very much was. Talent vs hard work was always a huge part of the early series. Genius and talent vs hard work and perseverance. Problem is Kishimoto undermines it with the use/presence of Kurama. Learning Summoning jutsu, Rasengan, Nature Transformation, Rasenshuriken, Sage Mode. Kishimoto compketely gave up on the theme by 4SWW by introducing the concept of transmigration, borrowed/gifted/inherited powers, bloodline predestination etc etc. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Thekillman wrote: </p><p>Databooks says it was hagoromo. </p> </i></div>
<p>Thats right. My bad, my bad. But that is still content that even someone who read/watched the series 8 times over wont come across and requires an irritating amount of research. Despite going on this many years after they got their powers there is no in series explaination in any form. </p>
<p>Because the series makes it cryptic as to whether or not Sasuke actually did and the databook says he got his powers through Hagoromo and IIRC makes no mention of Hashirama cells. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>LoneNinja wrote: </p><p>By merging Indra's and Asura's Chakra, you get Rinnegan. This was stated. </p> </i></div>
<p>This is true but the importance of combining those 2 chakras is recreate Hagoromo's chakra. Whom Naruto recieved chakra directly from. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>LoneNinja wrote: </p><p>Naruto would not have Rinnegan even with Hashirama's hand, because he doesn't have Indra's chakra. Otsutsuki's prove you don't need Sharingan to get Rinnegan. </p> </i></div>
<p>Actually considering Urashiki has a Sharingan-Rinnegan like Sasuke the two eyes are related somewhat. The truest/original form of each is a combination of both. The Sharingan not being a pre-req doesnt mean that the eyes that hold the Sharingan dont also hold the Rinnegan. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Thekillman wrote: </p><p>
It was never a theme. It was Rock Lee's theme, but then his hard work lost against a genius with innate power. Naruto's hard work lost against Neji's genius until he tapped into Kurama (which isn't hard work). Hard work has never won battles. </p> </i></div>
<p>It very much was. Talent vs hard work was always a huge part of the early series. Genius and talent vs hard work and perseverance. Problem is Kishimoto undermines it with the use/presence of Kurama. Learning Summoning jutsu, Rasengan, Nature Transformation, Rasenshuriken, Sage Mode. Kishimoto compketely gave up on the theme by 4SWW by introducing the concept of transmigration, borrowed/gifted/inherited powers, bloodline predestination etc etc. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Thekillman wrote: </p><p>Databooks says it was hagoromo. </p> </i></div>
<p>Thats right. My bad, my bad. But that is still content that even someone who read/watched the series 8 times over wont come across and requires an irritating amount of research. Despite going on this many years after they got their powers there is no in series explaination in any form. </p>
(Edited by LegionZero)
Actually the databook says that the incarnates dont have just chakras of Asura and Indra but also souls as well.
(Edited by Elveonora)
Once a reincarnate always a reincarnate. So I assume that means that Indra and Asuras souls leave behind copies as soon as they get reincarnated into another body again
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<p>I don't get where this fanon that hashirama's cells still contain ashura's chakra comes from. Isn't it that when the transmigrants are dead the chakras also leave them to continue the cycle? Hagoromo seems to be alluding that Madara doesn't have indra's chakra after his rebirth, I don't see why this doesn't apply to Hashirama too.
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<p>He never alluded to that, not once. It was never hinted nor stated anywhere that Hashi and Madara no longer have the chakras.
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<p>@FlatZone, chapter 671 disapproved that. Hagoromo specificially said that the fourth ninja war Madara is no longer transmigrant. So "once a transmigrant always a transmigrant" cannot be applied here.
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