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ALL POSTSBecause Obito did not wake up rinnegan / Sarada with rinnegan
<p>In Naruto to awaken the rinnegan is much more difficult than arousing the tenseigan. To awaken the tenseigan it is necessary to implant the byakugan of a hyuuga in an ootsutsuki of the moon, by that logic to implant cells of an ootsutsuki of the moon in a hyuuga with byakugan would also work, as well as to implant the cells of hashirama (Ashura) in madara (Indra ) originated the rinnegan, and also the same would be valid if the eien no mangekyou of madara (Indra) in hashirama (Ashura) was implanted.
</p><p>The difference in difficulty lies in the fact that the rinnegan requires the EIEN NO MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN of a reincarnation of INDRA along with the cells (chakra) of an ASHURA reincarnation, while the tenseigan required a byakugan of a hyuuga and the cells (chakra) an ootsutsuki of the moon.
</p><p>The interpretation that it is only possible to awaken the rinnegan with the reincarnations of INDRA and ASHURA occurred coincidentally by the fact that only madara, Indra's reincarnation, managed the rinnegan by implanting hashirama cells (Ashura's reincarnation), and later, sasuke who is also Indra's reincarnation along with the other "half" Ashura won by the hagoromo.
</p><p>But my opinion is that this did not happen because they are reincarnations, but rather because they managed to reach the eien no mangekyou sharingan level. In the story of Naruto the only ones that reached that level were Indra, Madara and Sasuke, so Madara reached that level and got Senju cells and Sasuke also reached that level and got his own chakra of the hagoromo, thus getting them both to wake the rinnegan.
</p><p>I have already seen many asking why Obito did not awaken the rinnegan, the fact that Obito did not awaken the rinnegan was not because he was not a reincarnation of INDRA, but because he never achieved the level of EIEN NO MANGEKYOU SHARINGAN, besides the fact have only one sharingan.
</p><p>I see that Sarada has the possibility of awakening the rinnegan if she implanted the hashirama cells and if he reached the level of the eien no mangekyou sharingan.
</p><p>Agree?
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Obito did get it.
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<p>@Elve
</p><p>Obito has Hashirama's face on him? I'm talking about that, not Wood Release. Madara stated on chapter 657 that was due to what Kabuto did too him. That face was the reason Madara was able to use Wood Release and Sage Mode.
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</p><p>Where's Sasuke's Hashirama replica on his chest? Cause you're forgetting that's what gave Madara Wood Release and Sage Mode. Not everyone with Hashirama's DNA has it either. Obito didn't have it. Zetsu. Yamato. Etc. Madara is the only one I recall, obtaining it after experiments from either him or Kabuto.
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Madara with the face of the hashirama had the mokuton, Obito and Yamato without the face of Hashirama also had the mokuton, so having the face of the Hashirama is not prerequisite to having the mokuton, only having the cells is enough and Sasuke "has" the cells and awoke the rinegan, ie the hashirama's cells had effect on his body. So he should have mokuton. Why not? </p>
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Madara with the face of the hashirama had the mokuton, Obito and Yamato without the face of Hashirama also had the mokuton, so having the face of the Hashirama is not prerequisite to having the mokuton, only having the cells is enough and Sasuke "has" the cells and awoke the rinegan, ie the hashirama's cells had effect on his body. So he should have mokuton. Why not? </p>
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<p>@Senju
</p><p>Not in the case of Naruto, so wrong.
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<p>FlatZone wrote:
</p><p>Neither did Madara or Naruto or Obito.
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<p>Naruto's arm is a prosthetic, not an implant. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: </p><p>Madara needed a Hashi face on his chest. Naruto has a Hashi arm yet still no. Obito needed Tobi to be able to use Wood Release. So Wood Release is def part of Hashi's DNA but something about his head/face is what makes it usable, hence Danzo and Madara being able to use it when they had the faces. </p> </i></div>
<p>Yamato. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: </p><p>Madara even says he wanted to try them out when he realized he had a Hashi face on his chest. </p> </i></div>
<p>Madara didnt even realize his Edo body Hashirama's cells at all until his Rinnegan activated and he made no mention of the Hashi face being specifically making him want to use Wood release </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Elveonora wrote: </p><p>Naruto doesn't literally have Hagoromo's chakra, just a small piece of it. Sasuke though, does have Hagoromo's chakra, hence the Rinnegan. But unlike Naruto, Sasuke does't have Tailed Beast chakra/s nor Six Paths Senjutsu. </p> </i></div>
<p>This theory has no basis in the facts. In fact, if Sasuke has all of Hagoromo's chakra then he should have SPSM as well. </p><p>Hagoromo also stated that he gave Naruto and Sasuke roughly half of his chakra </p>
<p>Naruto's arm is a prosthetic, not an implant. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: </p><p>Madara needed a Hashi face on his chest. Naruto has a Hashi arm yet still no. Obito needed Tobi to be able to use Wood Release. So Wood Release is def part of Hashi's DNA but something about his head/face is what makes it usable, hence Danzo and Madara being able to use it when they had the faces. </p> </i></div>
<p>Yamato. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: </p><p>Madara even says he wanted to try them out when he realized he had a Hashi face on his chest. </p> </i></div>
<p>Madara didnt even realize his Edo body Hashirama's cells at all until his Rinnegan activated and he made no mention of the Hashi face being specifically making him want to use Wood release </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Elveonora wrote: </p><p>Naruto doesn't literally have Hagoromo's chakra, just a small piece of it. Sasuke though, does have Hagoromo's chakra, hence the Rinnegan. But unlike Naruto, Sasuke does't have Tailed Beast chakra/s nor Six Paths Senjutsu. </p> </i></div>
<p>This theory has no basis in the facts. In fact, if Sasuke has all of Hagoromo's chakra then he should have SPSM as well. </p><p>Hagoromo also stated that he gave Naruto and Sasuke roughly half of his chakra </p>
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<p>@Legion
</p><p>Anything that isn't natural is considered prosthetic.
</p><p>Prosthetic, N, An artificial body part; a Prosthesis.
</p><p>Prosthesis, N, an artificial body part, such as a leg, a heart, or a breast implant.
</p><p>Artificial, N, made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally, typically as a copy of something natural.
</p><p>Any Zetsu part is considered Prosthetic. Therefore everyone with Zetsu body parts have a prosthetic lol.
</p><p>If Naruto's body benefits from the Dna of the prosthetic to heal, that means they are connected just as Obito is connected to his Zetsu body parts. Just as Madara is connected to his Hashirama and Zetsu body parts. Just as Danzo, his. Etc.
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Boruto manga shows it as a detachable prosthetic. The arm ismt grafted on to Naruto.
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<p>Unless I was reading an errant translation, I'm of the understanding Kabuto healed Sasuke through the result of research into Hashirama's DNA, not the DNA itself.
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<p>Momoshiki and Urashiki destroy that theory of needing Sharingan. The fact that they even have Rinnegan shows that you don't need Hagoromo's Chakra anymore and therefore is retconned. How would they get Chakra from someone they never met? I used to somewhat think that it was possible that you needed EMS, but then they were introduced and that theory was no longer possible too me.
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<p>Except Momoshiki and Urashiki were on a diet of Divine Fruit pills, which is where Kaguya originally got her Rinne Sharingan. So, direct access to the Divine Fruit has to be a factor. </p><p>Moving on, what confuses me is why Sasuke's Rinnegan sports tomoe and Hagoromo's didn't. It makes me wonder what the difference is. </p><p>Regarding Sarada, however, the question is whether she's actually a reincarnation of Indra. While it's entirely likely, it still remains to be seen. If we're saying that's integral to gaining the Rinnegan (is that the consensus? I'm lost), then if she's not Indra's incarnation, she'd likely be just a Sharingan beneficiary. </p>
<p>Except Momoshiki and Urashiki were on a diet of Divine Fruit pills, which is where Kaguya originally got her Rinne Sharingan. So, direct access to the Divine Fruit has to be a factor. </p><p>Moving on, what confuses me is why Sasuke's Rinnegan sports tomoe and Hagoromo's didn't. It makes me wonder what the difference is. </p><p>Regarding Sarada, however, the question is whether she's actually a reincarnation of Indra. While it's entirely likely, it still remains to be seen. If we're saying that's integral to gaining the Rinnegan (is that the consensus? I'm lost), then if she's not Indra's incarnation, she'd likely be just a Sharingan beneficiary. </p>
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<p>@Legion
</p><p>And? There's no difference between what Naruto has and Obito and Madara's. They all can remove and replace theirs and still have the effects of the dna while having them. Naruto is affected by Hashirama's DNA, increasing his Regeneration. What evidence do you have that Naruto is not affected by the arm when everything else says otherwise? Just cause he doesn't have to rip it off and made a way to detach it? Lol.
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@Legion
</p><p>And? There's no difference between what Naruto has and Obito and Madara's. They all can remove and replace theirs and still have the effects of the dna while having them. Naruto is affected by Hashirama's DNA, increasing his Regeneration. What evidence do you have that Naruto is not affected by the arm when everything else says otherwise? Just cause he doesn't have to rip it off and made a way to detach it? Lol.
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<p>I'm sorry, which chapter is it that confirm Naruto being affected by Hashirama's DNA? Also, Naruto's detachment is mechanical, not like Obito and Madara. </p>
<p>I'm sorry, which chapter is it that confirm Naruto being affected by Hashirama's DNA? Also, Naruto's detachment is mechanical, not like Obito and Madara. </p>
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