<div class="quote"><i> <p>AsianReaper wrote: The other I don't recognize, but it looks like Madara's Gunbai, which has nullifying capabilities that can eat Naruto's Super Mini Tailed Beast Ball. If that's not right, lemme know so I can amend my argument. </p> </i></div>
<p>Do so then i'll reply to the rest if nothing is changed and can you address the one with ginkaku in v2 gyuki state. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Bob Masters wrote: both of my comments were really what would happen if Minato and Jiraiya both landed those hits, not that they 100% would. </p> </i></div>
<p>I think if Minato stabs A in the head, A will die. Hands down..doesn't seem so. And yeah i know that. but you're saying Ay can be killed via stabbing...so i asked to prove that a kunai can get past Ay's raiton armour since, again, you're hinting that he can be killed that way. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Although I do agree with Asian Reaper. No sense in Killer B jumping in to save A if A wasn't going to get hurt. </p> </i></div>
<p>Minato was their enemy, he saw a chance to attack and well he took it seeing as how Ay didn't' have that chance at the moment. </p>

<p>@Jason, oh those were those giant shuriken ejected from Obito's eye. You know, he can shoot things with crazy force with his Kamui. I mean, just look at how hard he shot his stake at Naruto. Add rotation to that, and I'm not surprised that the tentacle was cut when Bee wasn't able to catch it. </p><p>I don't remember the situation with Ginkaku. Provide a chapter please. </p><p>@Jason, Bee wasn't counterattacking. He was moving to save Ay, which is why Ay thanked him. Why would Ay thank him for a failed counter attack? Also, if Ay was going to remain unaffected, why did Bee need to move at all? Ay could just get hit and let Minato's kunai get stopped in its tracks, and attack. No need to risk both his tentacle and the fact that he's the 8 Tails Jinjuuriki. That's not info you want your opponent to immediately know in a throwaway counter/save. That's a trump card in a fight. </p><p>EDITWAIT wtf you'll only reply to the rest of my perfectly valid arguments when you get the other argument? What? The other ones were much more clear cases, why are you waiting on the only one that is contentious? Lol. </p><p>Welp in any case, I think I've proven my point of being able to argue for my standpoint. It's just I've seen you around the boards before, and like I said typing walls of text to each other is pointless since neither one of us will change the other's mind. If you provide Ginkaku's chapter then I'll respond, if only because I said I would. But I'm not really invested in this debate anymore; we're arguing about if Minato could hurt Ay with his kunai, even though Bee lost a tail and exposed himself as a Jinjuuriki by protecting Ay from Minato. I don't get it. </p>

<p>Asian, if he doesn't have a counter, he'll ignore it. He does it often. I brought up Bee saving Ay not making sense with his analysis way earlier on, and he's barely responded to that now with someone else. And even then, he makes some wild tale up. Bee was going for a counter attack? Newflash, Ay was hit out of the way, not Minato? Bee tried to kill Ay?????? </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>AsianReaper wrote: @Jason, oh those were those giant shuriken ejected from Obito's eye. You know, he can shoot things with crazy force with his Kamui. I mean, just look at how hard he shot his stake at Naruto. Add rotation to that, and I'm not surprised that the tentacle was cut when Bee wasn't able to catch it. </p> </i></div>
<p>Yes he clearly does release them with a lot of force but not too much, but with all that i've provided the fact that Gyuki, as a Octopus is vulnerable to slashing and piercing attacks didn't occur to you? It has no bones for crying out loud. one of your statement went like this , who's downplaying the bijju tentacle now? i doubt that that giant shuriken would pierce through the 3 tails shell. lemme throw in another one </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>I don't remember the situation with Ginkaku. Provide a chapter please. </p> </i></div>
<p>Chapter's 529. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>@Jason, Bee wasn't counterattacking. He was moving to save Ay, which is why Ay thanked him. Why would Ay thank him for a failed counter attack? Also, if Ay was going to remain unaffected, why did Bee need to move at all? Ay could just get hit and let Minato's kunai get stopped in its tracks, and attack. No need to risk both his tentacle and the fact that he's the 8 Tails Jinjuuriki. That's not info you want your opponent to immediately know in a throwaway counter/save. That's a trump card in a fight. </p> </i></div>
<p>That's a good point, but my translation differs. Can i see yours before i reply further? ;-; </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>EDITWAIT wtf you'll only reply to the rest of my perfectly valid arguments when you get the other argument? What? The other ones were much more clear cases, why are you waiting on the only one that is contentious? Lol. </p> </i></div>
<p>So that i could make one reply....and i wouldn't call it a contentious case, i did say i was gonna reply to it didn't i? you didn't get everything i submitted so i was just providing you with them before i make a reply. It isn't a big deal. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>LoneNinja wrote: Asian, if he doesn't have a counter, he'll ignore it. He does it often. I brought up Bee saving Ay not making sense with his analysis way earlier on, and he's barely responded to that now with someone else. And even then, he makes some wild tale up. Bee was going for a counter attack? Newflash, Ay was hit out of the way, not Minato? Bee tried to kill Ay?????? </p> </i></div>
<p>uhhh not my fault that you were lost. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: uhhh not my fault that you were lost. </p> </i></div>
<p>[1] Argument over. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>JamesSenpai wrote: [1] Argument over. </p> </i></div>
<p>The coloured version of the manga, which is the original; has Ay saying [2] </p>

• すまん ビー! .....[3]

<p>BaSED on what you said, this now means argument over for you? cuz Ay sure as hell went on and attacked Minato again even after all that/ </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: The coloured version of the manga, which is the original; has Ay saying [1] </p>

• すまん ビー! .....[2]

<p>BaSED on what you said, this now means argument over for you? cuz Ay sure as hell went on and attacked Minato again even after all that/ </p> </i></div>
<p>You're right, it does mean it's over. Cause either way Viz or whatever that colored stuff is (Kishimoto doesn't make colored volumes so that is definitely not an original lol), you're still wrong. Why would he be apologizing too Bee, when by your logic Bee got in the way of Ay shocking Minato with his Lightning while Ay would of been perfectly safe from the kunai attack? Sorry Bee? Thanks Bee? Either way, it still contradicts your logic. </p><p>Bee saved him and Ay either thanked him or apologized too him. Therefore, Ay wasn't going to shock Minato and he wasn't going to be fine, or else it would be Bee saying saying sorry for getting in the way of a perfect opportunity. So thanks for beating yourself. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>JamesSenpai wrote: You're right, it does mean it's over. Cause either way Viz or whatever that colored stuff is (Kishimoto doesn't make colored volumes so that is definitely not an original lol), you're still wrong. </p> </i></div>
<p>But doesn't he write in japanese. Unlike with the english version which has to suffer translation errors as i've literally proven to you here......but you still somehow wanna deny it. Mind boggling... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Why would he be apologizing too Bee, when by your logic Bee got in the way of Ay shocking Minato with his Lightning while Ay would of been perfectly safe from the kunai attack? Sorry Bee? Either way, it still contradicts your logic. </p> </i></div>
<p>It does definitely change your argument, in which you said Ay thanked Bee. If Ay had thanked Bee that would've mean he really needed help. He said sorry, but why? Sorry about the tentacle that got sliced by god's kunai? or sorry for messing up?. Either way is possible but remains hypothetical. The fact is tho, that he didn't say thank you bee, which proves the help wasn't necessary. Bee deciding to 'save' Ay might've happened out of pure instincts, they only knew about each other mainly due to fame, so they had no clue what each other is really capable of other that the obvious Minato had a weird kunai and is really fast, so it was like a moment of not taking chances. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Bee saved him and Ay either thanked him or apologized to him. Therefore, Ay wasn't going to shock Minato and he wasn't going to be fine, or else it would be Bee saying saying sorry for getting in the way of a perfect opportunity. So thanks for beating yourself. </p> </i></div>
<p>About that, i mentioned that i was gonna submit stuffs to back both of our arguments regarding the raiton armour capable of electrocution, but you messed up our argument before i got to do so. SO here it is now, well aside from what i've proven (the scar on minato's nose) Ohnoki was seen riding on Ay with his raiton armour activated but didn't get electrocuted....then later we see Ay using his raiton armour to spread lightning on Mei's water technique, which paralysed Madara. So maybe he can control it? i don't know. But even if the electrocution is ejected from the argument you still have to prove that Minato's kunai can penetrate the armour. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: It does definitely change your argument, in which you said Ay thanked Bee. If Ay had thanked Bee that would've mean he really needed help. He said sorry, but why? Sorry about the tentacle that got sliced by god's kunai? or sorry for messing up?. Either way is possible but remains hypothetical. The fact is tho, that he didn't say thank you bee, which proves the help wasn't necessary. Bee deciding to 'save' Ay might've happened out of pure instincts, they only knew about each other mainly due to fame, so they had no clue what each other is really capable of other that the obvious Minato had a weird kunai and is really fast, so it was like a moment of not taking chances. </p><p>About that, i mentioned that i was gonna submit stuffs to back both of our arguments regarding the raiton armour capable of electrocution, but you messed up our argument before i got to do so. SO here it is now, well aside from what i've proven (the scar on minato's nose) Ohnoki was seen riding on Ay with his raiton armour activated but didn't get electrocuted....then later we see Ay using his raiton armour to spread lightning on Mei's water technique, which paralysed Madara. So maybe he can control it? i don't know. But even if the electrocution is ejected from the argument you still have to prove that Minato's kunai can penetrate the armour. </p> </i></div>
<p>This is the one thing actually on topic. But I will address your first point in just simple words. First, not everything on the internet is real or legit. So unless that came from Kishimoto himself and you have proof of that, I could care less what language it is and what it is. It's your job to prove your evidence. Kishimoto isn't the only one who can read and write in Japanese. </p><p>Second. It doesn't change the initial argument. That example was used to disprove your theory of Ay not being saved by Bee. That example still conflicts with your logic. According to you, Ay can electrocute others upon contact. According to you, Ay would of been perfectly safe. According to the Manga, Minato was going to stab Ay with a Kunai and Bee interrupted that by pushing Ay out the way. If we were going by your logic, Bee got in the way. Yet, in your logic Ay apologized when he had a kill shot and Bee didn't care and got in the way for no reason? Therefore, your logic fails. Why would the guy who by your logic, could of killed Minato, apologize to Bee after Bee pushed him out of the way? Why would someone with killer instincts like Bee and who knows Ay better than everyone and what he can do, interfere with Ay when Ay could of killed Minato? No logic. </p><p>Ay wouldn't be sorry that Bee's tentacle got sliced up when according to your logic Bee got in the way, and Gyuki's tentacles are known to regenerate. </p><p>And messed up? Boy are you making up some tall tales now. How did Ay mess up, according to you, Minato was about to fall into his trap and Bee interfered, that's Bee interfering and not Ay messing up. Sorry Bee I messed up, even though you got in my way by pushing me away and thus not really me messing up? Your arguments make no sense. </p><p>Why would Bee try to save Ay? Might be instinct isn't valid proof. We know Bee has known Ay since he was a child. We know everyone in Kumo knows of the prowess of Raiton Armor. We know Bee and Ay are tag team partners and Bee is like his brother. So why would Bee get in the way according to you, when he should know Ay would of not only been fine, but would of been able to kill Minato? In fact, why didn't he just wait until Ay shocked Minato and then hit Minato instead of pushing Ay out of the way for no reason? That doesn't sound like someone with killer instincts, thus conflicts with the Manga, thus is proven false. </p><p>You haven't proved any scar on Minato's nose. All you said was there's some line on one panel and can't explain why it's gone a second later. That ain't proof. As for your later statement on Ay and Mei, chapter? </p>

<p>It's simple isn't it? Ay was B's brother, so it's natural that he would think like a brother rather than a ninja when he saw a blade coming at Ay. Remember when Ay's bodyguards were shocked and screamed out when Ay was supposedly blasted away by Jugo? Bodyguards who were intelligent, adults and knew alot about Raikage and ninja stuff. Yet, they were worried about Ay, when they know that it doesn't even take his base speed to dodge that. Emotions. It's called natural instincts on relations. And to be honest on B's actions, the Kunai could be anything. Kunai's can also get powered up by ninjutsu or anything other special ninja stuff, and since Minato could teleport using them. It isn't a bad guess that Minato's Kunai could be more than it looks, it was a guess not worth the risk. </p><p>And about Pain saying Jiraya could have beaten him if he knew his secrets and stuff. Maybe. Maybe Jiraya could have beaten Pain there and then. If he knew his secrets. But not anywhere else. Since, The Rain Village was Nagato's own village, he can't obviously use wide scale attacks like Shinra Tensei and CT. And by secrets, if Jiraya knew that there was a body weakened to even walk, being the real one to control them. Then he would simply go for that body. He would probably summon all the toads he could and make them demolish the area, while he uses Sage Mode to figure out the real Pain. And it would only take a few giant toads to demolish the building he is in. And Pain wouldn't be able to use CT or any other large scale attacks because that would also damage his own body. Atleast that's what I think. </p><p>In my opinion, Jiraya and Minato takes this. </p>