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ALL POSTSTen-Tails is natural energy, chakra or senjutsu chakra?
<p>1) Originally claimed to be made up of the chakra of the other Tailed Beasts and also the ancestor of the entire chakra. © Kurama / Nine-Tails
</p><p>Bottom line: Ten-Tails - chakra.
</p><p>2. Then, after hitting the Tailed Beast Ball by the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path, Naruto says that the chakra statue has disappeared. Later, Naruto says again that the evil chakra of the statue has disappeared and Kurama adds that the creature has no emotions, so it is impossible to feel it.
</p><p>2.1. That's where the fun begins. Kurama says that Ten-Tails is natural energy circulating around the planet, this is what Naruto feels in the earth, water and air. (Here we are shown four spheres that imply the natural energy of earth, water, air and Ten-Tails.)
</p><p>Bottom line: Ten-Tails is natural energy.
</p><p>3. Further, Uchiha Obito being Jinchuriki Ten-Tails uses Truth-Seeking Balls, but not the essence. After senjutsu attack by Gamakichi (by the way, why he suddenly decided to use Senjutsu?), Naruto notices that Senjutsu > Truth-Seeking Balls. Naruto also notes that Ten-Tails is like nature itself, and Saske confirms that natural energy can only be defeated by natural energy.
</p><p>Bottom line: Ten-Tails is natural energy.
</p><p>4. After a few volumes, by the time Black Zetsu betrayed him, he was pumping the chakra out of the victims of Infinite Tsukuyomi, to which Naruto says even Ten-Tails had less chakra.
</p><p>Bottom line: Ten-Tails is the chakra.
</p><p>There's a lot of contradictions, don't you think?
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<p>LegionZero wrote:
Juubi chakra is not natural energy. Chakra and natural energy are 2 different things. The Juubi has both
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<p>They didn't just say it <i>had</i> natural energy. They said it <i>is</i> natural energy. They also said it was the collection of all the tailed beasts' chakra </p>
<p>They didn't just say it <i>had</i> natural energy. They said it <i>is</i> natural energy. They also said it was the collection of all the tailed beasts' chakra </p>
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<p>LegionZero wrote:
Juubi chakra is not natural energy. Chakra and natural energy are 2 different things. The Juubi has both
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<p>They didn't just say it <i>had</i> natural energy. They said it <i>is</i> natural energy. They also said it was the collection of all the tailed beasts' chakra </p> </div> <p>That is figurative </p>
<p>They didn't just say it <i>had</i> natural energy. They said it <i>is</i> natural energy. They also said it was the collection of all the tailed beasts' chakra </p> </div> <p>That is figurative </p>
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<p>LegionZero wrote:
Juubi chakra is not natural energy. Chakra and natural energy are 2 different things. The Juubi has both
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<p>They didn't just say it <i>had</i> natural energy. They said it <i>is</i> natural energy. They also said it was the collection of all the tailed beasts' chakra </p> </div> <p>That is figurative </p> </div> <p>But then naruto says that if the ten tails is natural energy then he can sense it the same way he senses regular natural energy which he then does. Also, why do you think it's figurative? </p>
<p>They didn't just say it <i>had</i> natural energy. They said it <i>is</i> natural energy. They also said it was the collection of all the tailed beasts' chakra </p> </div> <p>That is figurative </p> </div> <p>But then naruto says that if the ten tails is natural energy then he can sense it the same way he senses regular natural energy which he then does. Also, why do you think it's figurative? </p>
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<p>The Juubi has natural energy, it is not made of nature energy and it isnt nature energy incarnate.
</p><p>Saying it os the embodiment of natural energy is figurative. Because it has so much of it
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</p><p>It may be worth looking at the original, rather than being satisfied with the translation.
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<p>This topic has actually been discussed to death and multiple translators on this wiki have look at it already and cross-referenced it with other translations </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>ReweR 1331 wrote: </p><p>And yet, it's weird. Obito received damage from ninjutsu (Scorch Release), which he could neutralize with balls, so what is the advantage of senjutsu over ninjutsu? (except that the balls can't neutralize senjutsu) </p> </i></div>
<p>They have weight when it comes to the jinchuriki of the Juubi, not the TSB </p> </div> <p>Well, jinchuriki Ten-Tails is vulnerable to senjutsu due to the fact that it itself has natural energy / senjutsu chakra. </p><p>For what reason are TSB vulnerable to senjutsu if they do not carry natural energy? </p>
<p>This topic has actually been discussed to death and multiple translators on this wiki have look at it already and cross-referenced it with other translations </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>ReweR 1331 wrote: </p><p>And yet, it's weird. Obito received damage from ninjutsu (Scorch Release), which he could neutralize with balls, so what is the advantage of senjutsu over ninjutsu? (except that the balls can't neutralize senjutsu) </p> </i></div>
- Senjutsu is a big multiplier
- Senjustu isnt neutralized by TSB
- Senjutsu just works better against Senjutsu
<p>They have weight when it comes to the jinchuriki of the Juubi, not the TSB </p> </div> <p>Well, jinchuriki Ten-Tails is vulnerable to senjutsu due to the fact that it itself has natural energy / senjutsu chakra. </p><p>For what reason are TSB vulnerable to senjutsu if they do not carry natural energy? </p>
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</p><p>For what reason are TSB vulnerable to senjutsu if they do not carry natural energy?
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<p>TSB are not vulnerable to Senjutsu they just cant nullify senjutsu </p><p>As for why Senjutsu cant be nullified, no answer was ever given. It just cant. The manga hasnt directly stated that they have natural energy even when breaking it down in depth. The databook on doesnt classify TSB as senjutsu on 2 occasions and doesnt say it has nature energy in them either explanation. </p>
<p>TSB are not vulnerable to Senjutsu they just cant nullify senjutsu </p><p>As for why Senjutsu cant be nullified, no answer was ever given. It just cant. The manga hasnt directly stated that they have natural energy even when breaking it down in depth. The databook on doesnt classify TSB as senjutsu on 2 occasions and doesnt say it has nature energy in them either explanation. </p>
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</p><p>For what reason are TSB vulnerable to senjutsu if they do not carry natural energy?
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<p>TSB are not vulnerable to Senjutsu they just cant nullify senjutsu </p><p>As for why Senjutsu cant be nullified, no answer was ever given. It just cant. The manga hasnt directly stated that they have natural energy even when breaking it down in depth. The databook on doesnt classify TSB as senjutsu on 2 occasions and doesnt say it has nature energy in them either explanation. </p> </div> <p>Didn't the TSB structure start falling apart after the Gamakichi attack? </p>
<p>TSB are not vulnerable to Senjutsu they just cant nullify senjutsu </p><p>As for why Senjutsu cant be nullified, no answer was ever given. It just cant. The manga hasnt directly stated that they have natural energy even when breaking it down in depth. The databook on doesnt classify TSB as senjutsu on 2 occasions and doesnt say it has nature energy in them either explanation. </p> </div> <p>Didn't the TSB structure start falling apart after the Gamakichi attack? </p>
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<p>Okay, basically, it makes sense. </p><p>Does the default balloon powder everything like a Dust Release or not? </p>
<p>Okay, basically, it makes sense. </p><p>Does the default balloon powder everything like a Dust Release or not? </p>
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<p>Dude, if you read the databook entry for TSB, it should become clear that they can have whatever effect, it all depends on the mixtures of natures used.
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