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That was not his max speed he was holding back because of Killer
Proof plz?
A's max speed is when he try to punch KCM Naruto and he dodge it.
If you use as or like to describe something then it is a simile. In other words it doesn't mean that they're literally moving at light speed. It's just used to make it sound more dramatic.
My point is that you can say the same thing about Madara's jutsu
A's max speed is when he try to punch KCM Naruto and he dodge it.
Yeah, that punch was the one I was talking about. AKA the one stated to be almost the speed of light.
My point is that you can say the same thing about Madara's jutsu
Madara's light fang wasn't described with "as" or "like". It was flat on stated to cut things with the speed of light meaning it isn't a simile.
What happens in yhe anime is what happens between those two scans where madara launched the attack, anime is secondary canon and holds the same power as the databooks. It was shown in the anime that naruto was not able to react to the light and only the swing. In the manga the light hit the rod first and not naruto witch also supports my argument
The Naruto anime is not canon. Naruto was able to react to it and he dodge it.
No we already know that the manga says light fang, witch is probably the only attack witch actually has light in the name. I am not picking and chosing light fang was the only lightspeed statement after mabuis transfer contradicted everything that was stated before it.
That is a name fallacy. Mabui statement doesn't contradict anything. I already debunk that argument many times. You are picking and chosing.
Your basically saying that i can't use the anime when with vs battles standard it holds the same value as the databooks. if you want i can agree to not use it and then we have not a single lightspeed feat in naruto witch you have proven to me.
No it doesn't, also I'm not debating vs battle wiki i'm debating you. lol Mabui justu is stated to be light speed in the manga and the Raikage was able to move in it and attack Madara.
Luffy is attacking the organs on a much larger scale unlike neji who just presses the chakra points when he literally doens't even scale to boulder level at that point in the series.
The same semantics as before, they both attack the internal organs.
Based on the picture sasuke only stabbed the right side of his top part of his lung witch he proved himslef to be able to heal. My point is naruto has not been shown to regenerate more organs at the same time or more vital organs such as the brain and heart. Naruro has neither been able to prove him being able to regenerate a whole organ only heal one partly damaged
Sasuke stab his lung and Naruto regenerate it. The lung is a vital organs. He had regenerate a vital organ aka his lung.
Yes it does becasue if combat speed always was above combat speed then since the raikage has faster travel speed then minato would also mean that he has faster combat speed. Actually the raikage has really bad combat speed, he is just constantly being shown using body flicker to try and blitz opponents.
Minato can just have both the fastest travel speed and combat speed. It's stated by Cee that he use his chakra to enhance his reaction speed and reflexes none of those is travel speed
No it’d not stated that the shinobi uses chakra to increase their speedin combat, their speed in combat isn't even combat speed. In a fight you use almost every metric. Combat speed is how fast you can punch, kick etc
I will give you the scan
Show me a statement that says the raiakge is close to lightspeed/lightspeed in combat speed. It was only stated that he was roushing near lightspeed witch means it was his actual travel speed.
The contexte of the statement is when he use it in battle, the lariat is for battle aka combat
Your scan only stated that the raikage was able to have equal reactions to the yellow flash nothing had to do with combat speed. Tobirma placing tags on jubito is an example of combat speed where he only moved his arms.
Your reaction speed and reflexes have nothing to do with travel speed.
Another thing on combat speed, raikages punch when trying to blitz someone literally moves the same speed as his forward motion
You clearly don't know what is combat speed.
That is not conceding, I have give my argument then I say that I didn't want to debate anymore, it's me saying that i'm good with me argument
Last time me and him had a discussion it was about naruto only being planetary it ended with me telling him to prove stuff so he left
I left because I have things to do in life, you are one the most dishonest person that I have debated
I'm done debating with you. This debate is just going in cricle, This will be just a waste of time if this kept going on. You are dishonest and this debate have no jude and even if it have a jude they would be bias for you, so let close this debate.
• The Naruto anime is not canon.
Yes it is 💀 It's secondary canon and since the panel barely showed anything we have to use the anime so that we can see it animated properly and see how it actually went.
• reaction speed and reflexes have nothing to do with travel speed.
Depends, if someone dodges a light beam point blank then they are FTL in travel speed too as they were fast enough to move out of the way meaning they are faster than the SOL beam.
• That is not conceding, I have give my argument then I say that I didn't want to debate anymore, it's me saying that i'm good with me argument
That's literally conceding, concede is synonymous to forfeiting or giving up. And that's exactly what you did.
Prove to me that it’s not canon, i can use anime feats as long as they don't contradict the manga. I am also already using a feat that was the same in both.
Naruto was able to react to the swing and not the beam witch expanded i even showed you a scan with direct lines witch you ignored. Lol
Prove to me that it is a name fallacy. You haven't debunked that argument, mabui knows the raikage and she would not have had a stressed face if she already knew he could move at lightspeed. Even then he could have ran to the battlefield himslef witch would take less time then the machine but he didn't. Mabui thought he would survive only becasue he had a durable
Your debating me who follow basic rules so people like tou doesn't make up things.
Moving in her machine only needs a durable body not to be able to move that fast themselves. They came out of the light speed machine before attacking madara even using basic knowledge if raiakge already was stated to only move close to lightspeed he would not be able to react to seeing madara before after the machine he was traveling with was finished.
Narutos internal organs wasn't shown to take dmaage from neji. Implying that his chakra wasn't gone for long enough for it to affect the organs. Luffy transferes his ap into the opponents body on a much higher scale not proven by naruto to withstand. Even the databook for frog strike demmed a attack similar to that luffy are using to be unsurvivable.
Naruto has only been shown to regenerate a part of a lung not an entire organ. If luffy hit his heart for example naruto would have died on the spot because he has not been proven to survive such things.
And neither of those are combat speed. Reaction and reflexes is its own metric
Minato got blitzed by jubito while tobirama was able to react to jubito witch means even though minato has faster travel soeed then tobirama, tobirama proven himslef to be many times faster in combat speed
And i will wait.
No that is not combat speed you have failed to understand this concept, combat speed is not speed used in combat. If it was that then travel,reaction etc would all be combat speed witch it isn't combat speed is how fast you can punch, kick etc
And neither has it to combat speed witch you tried to prove. Reaction speed is always equal or faster then travel speed unless your name is kizaru.
Sez you, i literally explained combat speed. The most common misconception is that combat speed is speed used in combat witch is wrong as iv’e already explained above…
How am i dishonest when i translated FAKE fan translation used to get naruto stronger then he really is. It’s you that are dishonest when you are using fake fan translations to back up your arguments.
Sure you are free to leave whenever you want, i think that it’d really clear who is winning this if you actually read thru your own responses
Yes it is 💀 It's secondary canon and since the panel barely showed anything we have to use the anime so that we can see it animated properly and see how it actually went.
That doesn't make it canon, you don't know what canon is. It was different from the manga. The anime have filler by you logic those filler are also canon
then I say that I didn't want to debate anymore,
it's me saying that i'm good with me argument
That's literally conceding, concede is synonymous to forfeiting or giving up. And that's exactly what you did.
That is what i said. it's not conceding bozo, i give my argument and said that i'm done. Also this debate didn't even have a jude are a time limit
What do you think?