81 Votes in Poll
It seems most of y'all have no idea abt OP characters completely outscaling Naruto characters with speed alone, we've never even seen an FTL feat in Naruto so what makes you guys think the Kage can even touch the Admirals who are FTL+ - MFTL, mind you i never removed Logia as well so the rest of the Kage aside from Onoki are pretty much useless in this. I'll go ahead and debunk all of your arguments.
"How long this battle would take is honestly crazy."
We've confirmed the stamina's of Kuzan and Sakazuki to be wayy more than any of the Kage's by fighting each other for 10 days straight.
"Tsunade can break an absolute defense within a few hits, endure few mortal stab wounds, and somehow stay conscious after being bisected.
I don't even need to bring up the massive speed difference, Logia alone keeps Tsunade from even hurting them.
"Even though i to this day still consider mei the cheerleader, she can release liquid and mist that can melt almost anything in its path, including madara and sasuke’s susanoo rib cages…so ig she ight.
Her Lava release is far too slow.
"Gaara’s sand is strong enough to defend against something as hot as the sun."
We've seen multiple characters in Naruto blitz past Gaara's sand defense (Ex. Rock Lee, Madara, Sasuke (iirc), etc). If they can do it, then the admirals absolutely can due to being leagues faster than the Kage or even Madara.
"A is arguably the fastest out of all the characters in this poll."
Ay is at best Relativistic+, his Lariat is only almost at the speed of light so the Admirals badly blitz him.
"Onoki can pulverize a target into dust."
Dust release takes far too long to charge up, the Admirals can stop it prematurely and kill him as well.
"These characters at a minimum can be scaled up to island level, same as the admirals."
With what feats? And for the record, the Admirals are not simply island level they are at least planetary by being able to damage WB who is also planetary, and if one of you start saying they've shown any feat near planetary then thats complete proof you have no idea how to scale bc destroying a planet is DC when im talking abt Planetary AP.
"So neither of these teams would win easily. The only reason i say the admirals actually win is because these kage doesn’t have the specific power needed to beat them, that being haki. If verse equalization was a factor in this fight, admirals are losing."
Even if i removed their logia, the admirals slam in every way possible, speed, AP, DC, you name it, the Admirals have it better than the kages.
On to the next user.
"@Seekerbro You’ll need to clarify what abilities the Admirals can use because Full Power Pre Time Skip is generally accepted to mean the Admirals powers during Marine Ford with no Haki"
I can confirm that the admirals were holding back in MF since they were trying to NOT destroy their own headquarters in the battle
Even if though we know that they are completely capable of destroying an island (DC feat)
"Without Haki Onoki’s particle style could easily kill Kuzan and Akainu who aren’t great at mid air combat."
I already debunked this same argument from the other user above, that Jutsu takes way too long to charge, the Admirals with their Observation haki will notice it immediately then blitz him mid-charge.
"The biggest threat really is Kizaru who they have no way of disabling unless they can get him in water, but that would require Ohnoki’s super weighted boulder jutsu and Kizaru is too fast for any of them to catch. Even the Raikage with Ohnoki’s super lighten boulder jutsu wouldn’t be fast enough to catch Kizaru let alone damage him or make contact"
This really goes the same for all other admirals as well, they are far too fast compared to the kage, i'll show how after i debunk all of the arguments for the kage by the other users.
"The problem is they really need a jutsu like water prison shark dance, but the only confirmed user is Kisame and Mei’s best water style technique is the water pillar. That would only weaken them and stop their DF abilities for a second or two and the force of the water means they wouldn’t be able to get close enough to touch them."
Kuzan can easily freeze the prison or Akainu could easily evaporate all of the water in it and the most obvious is that Kizaru and all of the rest of the admirals could simply flee from it, after all, its not salt water so they can still likely use their techniques or worst case scenario, they will still have their strength but not their abilities.
"Then if you were to include Haki it becomes an issue of how does Chakra interact with Haki, because Haki negates DF powers not Chakra. So Haki would definitely give them resistance to physical attacks, but how much resistance would it give against a Chakra based attack and that’s too complicated to get into"
We know that Akainu can tank Planetary attacks from WB so attacks from the Kage which aren't planetary will have no effect on them first due to logia and second due to his durability, making them use haki is overkill but i did say they were using FP in the poll.
Onto the next user.
"Ok first of all, wth are the admirals in full power? It’s insanely bold to assume that they’ve held back a single time throughout the entire anime."
I've already proven how they were holding back earlier.
"The best Kuzan did pre ts was flash freeze an ocean and make half of an island an iceland (i forgot is that’s pre ts but whatever)."
Thats half-correct, all of that above + Freezing the waves that are larger than an island which in the manga the freezing was instantaneous but i use the anime to scale how long it took to freeze
None of the Kage have even performed feats that are even close to the admirals. What makes y'all think they even compare.
"Kizaru just be flying everywhere and kicking folks (or piercing them). Occasionally setting off explosions."
From this statement, i can deduce that you've either not seen Marineford or have watched OP from youtube shorts bc that is not how Kizaru fights.
"Akainu just rained little meteorites on a navy base."
Those are not meteorites, thats magma rain in the size of a meteorite. Stop downplaying the feats with your word choice, thats manipulation already.
"Gaara with his sand and the help of Onoki stopped Madara’s huge meteor."
Mihawk alone sliced one of those with a single slash in the Stampede movie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deGXPT8Fhmk
And if you would argue that movies aren't canon, What reasoning would you have that Mihawk is not able to do this?
"Lowkey, Kizaru isn’t that fast. His light is completely unrealistic so that’s a reason i hate comparing Kizaru to other verse characters. I would say that time on egghead where Kizaru speed boosted and kicked Luffy into the distance is the one time he went actual light speed."
Such a massive cope to say that Kizaru isn't at least LS tbh. Its been stated so many times that He's at least LS in base, then we know he can accelerate to FTL+ - MFTL speeds.
"But if that was the case, Luffy should’ve really got sent further than that, or realistically died."
The appeal to reality argument is so cringe, this is Fiction, just bc someone is LS doesn't mean that they're instantly gonna destroy whoever they hit. Cook up smth better.
"Comparing how Kizaru moves to how A moves, you would think A is plenty faster than Kizaru. Even Onoki should probably be able to track him.""
Your perspective doesn't matter, its about feats, statements, and narrative. you can't just say someone is faster or someone wins just bc of that.
"I mean maybe it’s just perception. The viewers can’t exactly see anything going light speed. So they probably slowed it down to show us what was happening. In their world, Kizaru could genuinely be going light speed and the humans of one piece has the capability of surviving a kick moving at the speed of light😂"
Thats correct, its just viewer perception, a character being FTE to the audience and a character not being FTE especially from different verses doesn't mean that the FTE character is immediately faster.
"Bullsh**. A grain of sand moving at the speed of light would obliterate any planet. So how tf is Kizaru kicking a regular nobody human at the speed of light, and they’re not exploding? Remember Madara’s light attack Naruto dodged? That attack was a better representation of light speed than any “light speed” attack in one piece."
Yet another appeal to reality argument, as i've said before, its FICTION, everything doesn't need to work like the real world does. And Naruto dodging Madara's light fang IS NOT an FTL feat, what Naruto dodged was Madara's neck speed not the beam itself https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1025035958812426284/1261414335813648484/madara-uses-sage-art-thunder-blast-and-sage-art-fang-of-light-and-limbo-cqpf2z0x_0GZ4btGl.gif?ex=66b72065&is=66b5cee5&hm=485caf67748864b0fb157372700e5c170bc0ae30c9e664ef5433f87ebabea381&
And your opinion of what the best representation of LS is not relevant in what makes the Kage win.
Now that i'm done debunking, i'll send my scale of MFTL One Piece.
https://naruto.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000103592/r/4400000000001087645
This is the scale that i made sometime before while debating another fandom debater here.
Now go ahead and try to argue that the Kage still win.
Eh, you can have that. Arguing a college essays worth of info would be a pain in the ass. Especially since op fans happen to be the most delusional. I’ll only point out that no one in one piece is planetary, though i guess i’ll accept wb being planetary since he had possession of a power that was capable of destroying the world. Let’s take a werewolf for example. Let’s say a werewolf can hypothetically destroy a tree or somethin. With my own capabilities..i somehow injure that werewolf slightly. Just because i injured the wolf who can destroy a tree, doesn’t automatically mean i can destroy said tree with what i have.
Let’s take this worthless piece of crap for another example. This guy stabbed whitebeard (who was capable of destroying the world). Ace at some point in the one piece story (not sure if it was in a novel or wherever) attacked wb multiple times and they fought. He ended up burning and injuring whitebeard. Ace and Squard CAN NOT do harm to the world itself. Neither Ace or Squard has done anything to give one the impression they can do harm to the world, compared to whitebeard who was literally stated to be able to destroy the world thanks to his fruit. Stand proud, you’re strong😂 providing info to back up your opinion and statements…you did that. But don’t start saying ppl in one piece are planetary just because they did harm to someone who has such capabilities. Just because i smacked the absolute dog sh** out of my dad and hurt him, doesn’t mean i’m capable of doing the crap he can. I could walk up to goku and cut the mf with a knife and make him bleed, doesn’t mean i can blow up a planet or show universal feats.
