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"Naruto literally destroyed the moon by slicing it (splitting something in half is a way of destroying it)."
So if i cut down a tree i can somehow also completely obliterate it, yeah no this is not how this works.
"People just said WB could destroy the world, he never did anything even near to that."
This is stupid since, why would he? Why would he destroy the world which he and his beloved sons lives and breathes in?
"During the Marineford events, people on Sabaody (which is relatively close) weren't suffering any effect from WB's blows that could supposedly destroy the world."
This is because he was holding back. We later see that when Blackbeard gets it he can send a tsunami all the way there
Even then, we see WB's earthquakes affect farther away islands
"But the thing is, they weren’t even talking about whitebeard’s power at all? Some guy just wanted to buy some drinks and then the owner just said that he couldn’t be bothered to open up the store. So idk where them talking about whitebeard’s power even stems from. The second and third row talks about how whitebeard used to play and interact with the kids on the island. That still has no correlation to anything about destruction…"
I don't think you know the context of this scan, this scan is showing the reaction of the world during the announcement of Ace's execution and the impending war on Marineford. So they're obv talking about how he could destroy the world and that it might not exist the next day.
"Yes nowhere in the world will be safe due to tsunamis and earthquakes being more frequent around the world. And that’s literally what whitebeard is good at doing and plus there are literally feats which shows that his natural disasters can affect a long range. That’s what she’s trying to imply and not necessarily that whitebeard is gonna one shot the earth or smt."
Exactly what i mean, if, while holding back, he can already affect the entire surface of the planet, what more when he's not holding back his power?
"Affecting something doesn’t qualify for that tier unless it’s a 4D and above object. The logic still remains the same, I can shake a car but doesn’t mean I can destroy the same car. So I’m afraid the consistency doesn’t really add up here. If Oda really wanted Whitebeard to destroy a planet, he would’ve wrote “destroy” instead of “shook”. Hence further proving my point that he uses different words as metaphors to describe that his fruit is extremely destructive."
First of all, humans can't even shake a car that much so i don't see what your point is when WB tilts the world not just shakes it like you would with a car.
**Raw Japanese Kanji-**
**Middle Left Caption next to Panel: **
振動を引き起こし操る能力!その衝撃は、大地を傾けるほどの力を有す。
**Bottom Caption next to Panel: **
大気を震わせ海を割り、強烈な大波をも誘発する! 「超人系最強」 と謳われる所以だ!
**Translated-**
**Middle Left Caption next to Panel: **
Ability to generate and control vibrations! Its impact possesses the power to tilt the very earth.
**Bottom Caption next to Panel: **
It can shake the atmosphere, split the seas, and even trigger devastating tsunamis! That's why it is hailed as the "Strongest Paramecia" power! (Databook Blue Deep).
And then again the statements bro, it's alr been stated by Oda himself in databooks many times, and its not just the data books either, you gotta remember that it's still him writing that story so those statements in universe are still from him.
"Consistency? Bro how is controlling something the same as destroying something. Again, it proves my point of it being a metaphor due to the author using different words for it. And plus, how do you even control the world anyways? It’s not like Blackbeard has some telekinesis powers which allows him to control everything single movement on the planet."
This shows consistency toward planetary levels of effect, whether it may be controlling or destroying it, it's still a planetary level of effect so it's not a metaphor at all, it just provides consistency and that's my intent when i included it, just to provide support to my arguments. And controlling is just pretty much bending to your will.
“I don't think you know the context of this scan, this scan is showing the reaction of the world during the announcement of Ace's execution and the impending war on Marineford. So they're obv talking about how he could destroy the world and that it might not exist the next day.”
Even if they were talking about the war, what’s that gotta do with whitebeard’s powers? Like I’ve said earlier, all they were talking about was how he hasn’t gotten any weaker and kids know him as a legend or smt. So I’m afraid the context of those panels don’t quite add up with the statements of WB being able to destroy the planet. It’s just a different metaphor used to show that the dude just doesn’t want to open up his store. 0 correlation with WB’s DC and AP. And plus, they might even be wrong here as whitebeard was literally off meds during the war so his health should deteriorate rather than saying that “he is still the same as before.”
“Exactly what i mean, if, while holding back, he can already affect the entire surface of the planet, what more when he's not holding back his power?”
Thats what I’m saying. Affecting the surface of the earth isn’t the same as destroying it. They have completely different meanings. And also, you can’t assume that a non holding back WB can destroy the planet just because a holding back WB can shake tectonic planets. It will be no limit fallacy to think otherwise as we haven’t seen what a non holding back whitebeard is capable of doing (with feats).
“First of all, humans can't even shake a car that much so i don't see what your point is when WB tilts the world not just shakes it like you would with a car.”
Pretty sure we can. Even if it’s not that much, how about we use different and clearer examples like a door and a wardrobe. Surely we can severely shake/tilt those things right? So does that mean I can destroy a wardrobe/door just became I am able to shake it? Not even close.
“Ability to generate and control vibrations! Its impact possesses the power to tilt the very earth.
It can shake the atmosphere, split the seas, and even trigger devastating tsunamis! That's why it is hailed as the "Strongest Paramecia" power! (Databook Blue Deep).”
Doesn’t even talk about destroying the planet lol. Once again, “tilting” something isn’t the same as destroying it. I can tilt a closet but that doesn’t mean I can destroy one. Also further proves my point as a metaphor cuz if he can truly “destroy” the planet, why did the author write “tilt” instead of “destroy”?
“And then again the statements bro, it's alr been stated by Oda himself in databooks many times, and its not just the data books either, you gotta remember that it's still him writing that story so those statements in universe are still from him.”
3-4 times in the databooks isn’t enough buddy. Metaphors can appear more than once you know. Not too mention that other hyperboles and contradictions also appear in the story like Blackbeard saying he can “control” the world but then he also goes on saying that he has trouble controlling it.
See the contradiction?
“This shows consistency toward planetary levels of effect, whether it may be controlling or destroying it, it's still a planetary level of effect so it's not a metaphor at all, it just provides consistency and that's my intent when i included it, just to provide support to my arguments. And controlling is just pretty much bending to your will.”
Even if it can affect a planet, it still doesn’t have any meaning whatsoever to destroying it. So again, if Oda really wanted WB to destroy a planet, he would’ve simply wrote “destroy” in every single statement rather than “shook” “tilt” and “control”.
These statements can’t be consistent if they have different meanings. So it’s a further testament that the author uses different words as a metaphor.
"Even if they were talking about the war, what’s that gotta do with whitebeard’s powers? Like I’ve said earlier, all they were talking about was how he hasn’t gotten any weaker and kids know him as a legend or smt. So I’m afraid the context of those panels don’t quite add up with the statements of WB being able to destroy the planet. It’s just a different metaphor used to show that the dude just doesn’t want to open up his store. 0 correlation with WB’s DC and AP. And plus, they might even be wrong here as whitebeard was literally off meds during the war so his health should deteriorate rather than saying that “he is still the same as before.”"
My guy, do you seriously think it's the war that takes place on one island that's going to destroy the world? This makes no sense it's obv WB's power that they're talking about, even the other panels in the same scans show consistency in talking about WB's power saying that "he hasn't gotten weaker at all" which is obviously talking about his power
If you have first grade reading comprehension then you'll know that they're talking about WB's power.
"That's what I’m saying. Affecting the surface of the earth isn’t the same as destroying it. They have completely different meanings. And also, you can’t assume that a non holding back WB can destroy the planet just because a holding back WB can shake tectonic planets. It will be no limit fallacy to think otherwise as we haven’t seen what a non holding back whitebeard is capable of doing (with feats)."
The thing is, it's been stated by Oda that he can, so it's not a no limits fallacy if his capability was directly stated by the author TWICE.
"Pretty sure we can. Even if it’s not that much, how about we use different and clearer examples like a door and a wardrobe. Surely we can severely shake/tilt those things right? So does that mean I can destroy a wardrobe/door just became I am able to shake it? Not even close."
I just remembered that you don't even know how to punch properly which is why you think you can't destroy a wardrobe but yes, humans can easily destroy wardrobes, just look at rage moments online people can easily destroy wood if they're mad so your example just proves my point.
"Doesn’t even talk about destroying the planet lol. Once again, “tilting” something isn’t the same as destroying it. I can tilt a closet but that doesn’t mean I can destroy one. Also further proves my point as a metaphor cuz if he can truly “destroy” the planet, why did the author write “tilt” instead of “destroy”?"
I just proved how if you can severely affect something you are that level but if you need more proof on that then there's this too
So Oda is still portraying the same thing when he says WB tilted the world, that's already a feat if somehow direct author statements aren't enough for you. And i don't think i need to show you how many times Oda used the word destroy when he was talking abt WB.
"3-4 times in the databooks isn’t enough buddy."
I was going to respond to your point as a whole but i really need to point this out.
One author statement is enough.
I don't think you know how relevant Author statements are but they're to be taken into more consideration than feats or anything else shown in the story. Why you ask? Because their the ones writing the story and if they state something then obv that's what they want to imply. So if an author directly states something more than once you gotta know for a fact it's true.
"Metaphors can appear more than once you know. Not too mention that other hyperboles and contradictions also appear in the story like Blackbeard saying he can “control” the world but then he also goes on saying that he has trouble controlling it."
I would like you to explain how the statement "has the power to destroy the world" would be a metaphor. If WB can only after all destroy islands what would be the purpose of even stating "has the power to destroy the world" that would be stupid as hell and Oda would just be contradicting himself. And just because "you can't do something well" or "you have trouble doing something" doesn't mean you still can't do it, it just represents how well you can do it but not if you can or cannot do it. Here's an example, I'm in driving school and i can somewhat drive a car, but not that well because I'm still learning; does that mean i can't drive at all? or does it just imply that i can't do it that well yet but am still capable of doing it?
"Even if it can affect a planet, it still doesn’t have any meaning whatsoever to destroying it. So again, if Oda really wanted WB to destroy a planet, he would’ve simply wrote “destroy” in every single statement rather than “shook” “tilt” and “control”.
These statements can’t be consistent if they have different meanings. So it’s a further testament that the author uses different words as a metaphor."
Like i said, the purpose of that image is just for support, it's not my main argument for WB's power, Plus that isn't even WB in the image, it's BB who got the Gura-Gura no mi so the point still stands. and the words “shook” “tilt” and “control” still point to planetary effect and aren't metaphors at all.
“My guy, do you seriously think it's the war that takes place on one island that's going to destroy the world? This makes no sense it's obv WB's power that they're talking about, even the other panels in the same scans show consistency in talking about WB's power saying that "he hasn't gotten weaker at all" which is obviously talking about his power”
And I can even argue the fact that those people are wrong. Why? Because whitebeard was literally off his meds during the war. If a person doesn’t take their medication, would they become stronger or weaker?
“The thing is, it's been stated by Oda that he can, so it's not a no limits fallacy if his capability was directly stated by the author TWICE.”
Which is why I’m arguing that it’s a hyperbole instead. Oda’s statements can also basically tells us that WB’s fruit is just extremely destructive. Hyperboles/metaphors are hella common in works of fiction. So don’t be surprised when people claim statements to be metaphorical.
“I just remembered that you don't even know how to punch properly which is why you think you can't destroy a wardrobe but yes, humans can easily destroy wardrobes, just look at rage moments online people can easily destroy wood if they're mad so your example just proves my point.”
Dude no 💀 people are not breaking a bunch of woods with their bare hands. With a weapon sure but with their bare hands alone, hell no. And plus, you can even see it yourself. Just gently punch a nearby closet or wardrobe and that shit will automatically vibrate.
“I just proved how if you can severely affect something you are that level but if you need more proof on that then there's this too”
Where did it say that WB was “severely” affecting the area. I can argue that he could be vibrating the planet at a gentle level and it would still make sense because at the end of the day he is still shaking it no matter how you put it.
And plus, vsbw isn’t 100% accurate most of the times. If I really want to, I can even bring up the scan where vsbw themselves admit that the WB statement is a hyperbole. So will you listen to every single thing they say?
“So Oda is still portraying the same thing when he says WB tilted the world, that's already a feat if somehow direct author statements aren't enough for you. And i don't think i need to show you how many times Oda used the word destroy when he was talking abt WB.”
The whole point of a hyperbole is to show that a character is extremely powerful while also exaggerating at the same time. And people use hyperboles all the time. So it Is logically that mangakas like Oda use hyperboles in their work as literary devices.
”One author statement is enough.”
Ah yes so that means temari is universal because a databook said that she can blow away the universe. Got it.
“I don't think you know how relevant Author statements are but they're to be taken into more consideration than feats or anything else shown in the story. Why you ask? Because their the ones writing the story and if they state something then obv that's what they want to imply. So if an author directly states something more than once you gotta know for a fact it's true.”
As my previous points above, just because an author says something like “oh this character can blow up 1000 universes” or “oh this character can run as fast as lightning”, that does NOT mean they would 100% mean it. And why is that? Well let me introduce to you to something called metaphors and hyperboles. Once again, it is a literary device that exaggerates phrases and should NOT be taken into word.
I’m gonna repeat it for the third time. It’s a literary device that writers use all the time to exaggerate what they’re saying. So I can argue that Oda is just simply using this literary device for entertainment purposes only and not taken seriously
“I would like you to explain how the statement "has the power to destroy the world" would be a metaphor. If WB can only after all destroy islands what would be the purpose of even stating "has the power to destroy the world" that would be stupid as hell and Oda would just be contradicting himself. And just because "you can't do something well" or "you have trouble doing something" doesn't mean you still can't do it, it just represents how well you can do it but not if you can or cannot do it. Here's an example, I'm in driving school and i can somewhat drive a car, but not that well because I'm still learning; does that mean i can't drive at all? or does it just imply that i can't do it that well yet but am still capable of doing it?”
Dude… you still need me to explain it to you again? Like did you not read my above paragraphs. It’s a metaphor because there is not a single feat in the series where WB was close to achieving that kind of destruction. And you even said it yourself that Oda would be contracting himself and the only way to make this logical is that Oda would be making a hyperbolic statement. Always remember, feats >>> statements. And also, I literally don’t know what you’re even talking about with that driving analogy so you might need to express yourself more clearly next time. Lemme remind you again that hyperboles EXISTS throughout fiction. If hyperboles didn’t exist, then you would be correct but unfortunately they do so we can’t take everything seriously into consideration.
“Like i said, the purpose of that image is just for support, it's not my main argument for WB's power, Plus that isn't even WB in the image, it's BB who got the Gura-Gura no mi so the point still stands. and the words “shook” “tilt” and “control” still point to planetary effect and aren't metaphors at all.”
Did you read my argument where BB said he couldn’t control it?
Earlier on, he said that he had the power to control the world so how come now he is saying he can’t control it? Why is he contradicting himself?