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Considering White Zetsu could be, I would assume yes, but at the same time, the Clawgrimes should just be pure chakra like the tailed beasts/ten tails, so maybe not?

I think the Shinju definitely could; maybe they could even BE Edo Tenseid themselves

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I think Orochimaru and Kakashi are up there, just because of how many different techniques they have. Add the raw power to back it up and they’d be monsters.

Any other ideas?

Kaguya is one of the most powerful otsutsuki clan members. She has many feats that scale her higher than the others

There are 3 versions of Kaguya to discuss

• Pre Chakra Fruit Kaguya

• Chakra fruit Kaguya

• Infinite Tsukuyomi Kaguya

Let’s start with feats 1-10

#1 Crippling Isshiki. A lot of fans disregard this as “Isshiki was off guard” however, it really doesn’t matter if she sneak attacked him, the fact is she had enough attack power to make full power isshiki cripple for over a thousand years.

#2 She Destroyed a Perfect Susano twice in the same fight. Jigen kicked Sasuke out his susano yet Kaguya has similar feats in Shippuden. She simply lifted her hand and blew it up. And used chakra fist to blow up it up a second time. These feats easily put Chakra fruit Kaguya above V2 jigen level

#3 the expansive truth seeking orbs had the destructive capacity to blow up an entire dimension comprised of a star and a planet, making this a Solar system level feat, this Jutsu has the highest destructive capabilities in the series.

#4 Kaguya has dimensional travel and has created 6 dimensions in total.

#5 Kaguya also has ash bones that ignore durability and are one hit kills with no exceptions.

#6 Infinite tsukuyomi, gives Kaguya near infinite Chakra as she takes the chakra of everyone on earth boosting her power even further.

#7 Kaguya is immortal and she cannot be killed, she can only be sealed. No one has ever managed to kill her without sealing her. Some sources say she “died” but it’s a retcon. How can she die from the exact same thing came back from before. Combined Fragments of tailed beast chakra and the gedo mazo and she would be instantly revived at any time

#8 Kaguya’s durability is the highest we’ve seen in the series. Kaguya tanked 9 six paths Rasen Shurikens enhanced with Kekkie genki. She did not absorb or dodge this attack but took it head on with minimal scratches

Just 1 of these almost killed Ten tail Madara and 6 of these destroyed 20+ meteorites. Note that in the last movie just half a meteorite could Destroy the entire leaf village.

#9 Kaguya was also fast enough to completely speedblitz Naruto and Sasuke multiple times. And has reacted to instant teleportation. Kaguya was holding back the first half of the fight due to the duo reminding her of her sons

First time

Second time

3rd time

Naruto was only able to speedblitz Kaguya and cut her arm off because her chakra was low after switching dimensions many times and opening portals. Reaction Speed gets Slow when chakra is low

#10 Imagine being so strong it takes multiple chapters just to touch you simultaneously. People think sealing her is beating her but in reality they had a lot of luck on their side. Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi were boosted to god level and had to just simply (touch) their hand on Kaguya to seal her and they barely accomplished that. Hagoromo gave them all the tools they needed to seal her, without the sun and moon seal the mission would have failed. They also got lucky Obito helped them with space and time ninjutsu. Kaguya can only be sealed not killed.

Now, let’s move onto statements

Statement 1

A lot of people think Toneri is stronger than Kaguya because of the movie cover. This is just movie promotion and besides With the feats I’ve mentioned toneri who is merely moon level is not on the same level as a being that can destroy stars and planets.

Statement 2 is from Page 160 of the Sasuke Shinden Sun rise Novel

The book says “Sasuke shook his head no. He wouldn't let that happen. He would protect it himself” People chalk this up to thinking sasuke could defeat Kaguya on his own which is not the case. This is taken out of context. Sasuke insinuated he would die to protect the leaf and the future just like Sasuke told Boruto before he fought isshiki. Doesn’t mean he would beat Isshiki just that he will face him. sasuke insinuating he can fight kaguya level threats doesn't mean he can win against kaguya level threats.

Statement 3

Momoshiki saying he will “punish Kaguya” he was referring to pre chakra fruit Kaguya and was unaware of the fact Kaguya consumed a chakra fruit and was much stronger. It had been over a thousand years since he had last seen her.

Momoshiki has a superiority complex. He called Naruto and Sasuke “inferior creatures” and then got beat in his strongest form by 50% fatigued Naruto and 50% fatigued Sasuke.

Momoshiki had power from absorbing kinshiki and 50% of Kurama's chakra + 8 tails chakra. And used chakra pills to boost himself further. And also absorbed chakra from katasuke’s ninja tech and still lost.

Why would a “greater threat than kaguya” be running from darui for five pages straight and be completely cornered

Momoshiki also died to a massive rasengan and got injured by a vanishing rasengan meanwhile Kaguya could tank country+ rasen shurikens. The only thing inferior are his feats in comparison to Kaguya.

Kaguya has been shown to have the greatest feats despite not having many statements

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#19 Boro

#18 Kakashi (Boruto Era / Retsuden Novel)

#17 Delta

#16 Code Limiters placed

#15 Mitsuki Sage Mode

#14 Kashin Koji

#13 Kinshiki

#12 Borutoshiki/Kawashiki

#11 EMS Sasuke/Sage Mode Naruto

#10 Momoshiki (Fused)

#9 SPSM Naruto/ Rinnegan Sasuke

#8 Kawaki Two Blue Vortex

#7 Code No Limiters + 10 Tail Army

#6 Jigen 10 Tails Amp + V2 Karma

#5 Shinju Clones 1-4

#4 Daemon

#3 Boruto

#2 Isshiki

#1 Baryon Mode Naruto

These clones are after Sarada, Konohamaru and many others. Since Hidari is the only one we seen fight we will talk about him first. Hidari is one of the Shinju Clones of the 10 Tails that Evolved because of Isshiki’s chakra that was in codes karma. This 10 Tails is a different species from the one we seen from the 4th war so it will have some powers we never seen before. Hidari has Sasuke’s chakra, the rinnegan, 10 tails powers which is pure nature energy and code’s claw marks. He’s so fast Boruto and code were barely able to react despite being very fast. He can also use chidori and presumably more jutsu Sasuke had. These evolved versions seem to be around base Boruto level in power. And Konoha has to fight against 4 of them. I wonder how the story will unfold.

This is what I’ve been calling code for along time. And in boruto tbv chapter 5 the shinju tree’s shared my exact same thoughts. Which is why it’s my favorite panel. I’m going to share my opinion below

Code has over a dozen statements from other characters and himself stating to be an absolute powerhouse and yet every time we see him fight he loses…(albeit by much stronger opponents) but it’s still pathetic to see him just get one shot so often. Code loses too much and it’s most likely due to his lack of Experience, lack of an arsenal, lack of knowledge, intelligence & battle IQ. He’s overconfident and pays for it. He also had no overall improvement or training in the last 3 years. Not to mention he’s absolutely FEATLESS! I repeat Featless. He’s taken roughly 7 (in my opinion) loses back to back

1. Beat by Borushiki

2. Beat by Kawashiki

3. One hit by Daemon

4. One hit by Boruto

5. Lost an eye to *nerfed* Sasuke after getting 2 power ups (Limiters removed & A 10 tail army) (when Sasuke didn’t even have his ems activated before he told boruto to run but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt because his karma was not activated)

6. Ran from Shinju Clones after being called a clown (a threat he created)

7. Was cautious of fighting Sage Mode Naruto 1 on 1 and used Shikamaru as a hostage

Now even though code is still a jigen level threat!!! It’s becoming harder and harder to tell and I’m coming to the conclusion he may just be a fraud.

Ok so I’m wondering if they ever said the height of the God Tree. When zoomed out we can see that it’s so large we can so the curvature of the earth. So going by that do we know how tall the god tree was?

Otsutsukis carry a ten tails to become a shinju and produce a chakra fruit but, we dont know how they manage to have a ten tails.

In the manga, Kaguya goes with Ishikki and a ten tails, they plant him in the ground with intents to feed Kaguya to the jūbi, but Kaguya splits ishikki in half and apparently feeds one half to the juubi, then, it becomes a shinju, does an infinite tsukuyomi to control the people and then absorbs all their chakra, becoming zetsus. She has 2 sons, Hagoromo and Hamura, and they take a lot of shinju's gathered chakra, Kaguya becames jealous and "fuses with the shinju left" and "becomes a ten tails" (this is soooo poorly written) then Hagoromo and Hamura fight Jūbi and Hagoromo gathers that chakra and becomes the ten tails jinchuriki, the Gedō mazo is sealed in a chibaku tensei creating the moon and Hagoromo splits the ten tails in nine bijuus.

A loooot of time later, Obito gathers the bijuus chakra and seals it in the gedō mazo, for it to become a ten tails, obito becomes ten tails jinchuriki after ten tails digi-evolves and then he "expulses the ten tails" out of his body (and he keeps being the jinchuriki for no reason), then madara becomes the jinchuriki, he absorbs the shinju left and he becomes KAGUYA WTF, then she is sealed or dies (i dont remember) and expulses all 9 bijuus.

In boruto, we see that kara has a juubi and that brings a lot of questions:

Does the chakra fruit contain the juubi chakra? if thats so, if the juubi chakra makes contact with the empty shinju forms a ten tails? thats how ten tails are born? (implying that kara's juubi was born that way), does that mean that the otsutsuki eat the fruit, gather all that power and expulse the juubi chakra to the shinju to become a juubi seedling? does obito look the same after expulsing juubi bc he has the rikudo sennin mode or bc he expulsed the part of the juubi that is a seedling? Does madara become kaguya and not the ten tails bc kaguya not only refused the jubi chakra with the shinju, she fused herself too? Why does ten tails chakra makes kaguya manifest a bunny face between all bijuu faces? is that her chakra embodiment, kinda like a susanoo? How did kaguya made an infinite tsukuyomi if the moon didn't exist yet?

I GOT A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND NO ANSWERS PLEASE HELP.

In the 1990 DBZ film, the Villian Turles arrives in Earth to plant and eat a fruit that grants him power, but in order to plant the fruit, the Planet's life energy is drained.

And we all know what Otsutsukis want

Plant the Fruit of Chakra that gives them power but drains the Planet's energy

In this post I will theorize the arrival of Kaguya and Isshiki on Earth, the betrayal of Kaguya, Ten-Tails, the Shinju and the Otsutsukis with elements from both Naruto and Boruto!

Important note: I will also take into consideration the Naruto Shippuden Anime.

First of all, let's start at the beginning, Kaguya and Isshiki land on Earth together and plant a Shinju, Amado confirms it and Kaguya's flashback in Naruto Shippuden too (since there is a planted Shinju and Kaguya was on its tracks)

In Naruto Shippuden we could see the Shinju crashing on Earth in the form of a meteorite and this is indeed how they plant it on a planet

What makes me say that? The other Shinju we saw in Boruto:

- The Shinju present on the planet where Momoshiki and Kinshiki took Naruto to remove the Nine-Tails from him

- The many Shinju that we could see in episode 15 of Boruto

A common point between all these Shinju is the hole formed by the impact which is always present, which can therefore confirm that a Shinju is created by crashing on the planet in the form of a meteorite as in the flashback by Kaguya (Naruto Shippūden)

Now, regarding Kaguya and Isshiki's arrival on Earth, I will theorize what happened and how they did it

Thanks to Amado we know that the Otsutsuki travel in pairs mainly for this story of Ten-Tails/Shinju

In an Otsutsuki duet, it is the one who is of lower rank who must be eaten by Ten-Tails to give birth to the Shinju, the one who is sacrificed prepares a receptacle to place a Karma on them and thus resurrect after being eaten by the Ten-Tails

For the Kaguya and Isshiki duo, it was confirmed by Amado that Kaguya is inferior to Isshiki (we can also see it thanks to the stelae) and it is therefore she who must be eaten by the Ten-Tails to give birth to the Shinju

However, Amado contradicts himself, in chapter 46 he says that Kaguya and Isshiki planted a Shinju and that's only after Kaguya opposes him (for the fruit or another thing) but in chapter 51 he says she "had to 'sacrificed herself so he's implying she didn't

Amado says a lot of things but we can't believe him on everything 100%, the only ones who can tell us the whole truth are Kaguya and Isshiki, the only thing we know about Amado is that he wanted to revive his daughter Akebi, so he may very well modify some information for his own interest

Now I will tell you how I think Kaguya and Isshiki's arrival and Kaguya's betrayal played out chronologically

Kaguya and Isshiki land on Earth (Kaguya must have had her betrayal in mind from the beginning), so that Isshiki wouldn't suspect anything she had to do everything that normally had to be done, prepare her vessel to resurrect and be eaten by the Ten-Tails

She gets eaten by the Ten-Tails, the Ten-Tails is planted on Earth, it turns into Shinju, she comes back to life sometime later thanks to her receptacle

And it is at the moment of her resurrection that she betrays Isshiki by taking him OFF-GUARD (Please @NarutoShipp8 and @Bob74h2, don’t start a debate over this😭), he could not have expected it since she is part of his clan and she had done everything as planned

Image 1: Kaguya is eaten by the Ten-Tails and the tree is planted

Image 2: Kaguya goes to see the humans

Image 1: the tree is very small

Image 2: the tree is really very big

So, I think it was between this time interval that she betrayed Isshiki

furthermore, when she goes to see humans, she presents herself as "the one who protects the Divine Tree", the role that Isshiki had

And another thing that can prove that Kaguya did indeed resuscitate via the Karma and therefore that she was indeed eaten by the Ten-Tails to give birth to Shinju on Earth is this form of Kaguya, let me explain

In this form Kaguya no longer has her Otsutsuki clothes like those of Isshiki, nor her horns and I may have found why

The Karma

The Kama allows the Otsutsuki to make a replica of themselves and implant it into the receptacle's body, but the Otsutsuki may "regress" in form when it does (it may vary in quality depending in the receptacle used)

In chapter 35 when Sasuke discovers the steles, we can see that Kaguya is represented in the Otsutsuki dimension with her horns and her clothes resembling those of Isshiki

So, I think that when she landed on Earth with Isshiki she was in this form (horn and clothes) but after being eaten by the Ten-Tails and resuscitated thanks to the Karma she "demoted" in her form

And besides, when she decides to eat the fruit of the tree, she directly recovers her form with which she fed the Ten-Tails so that it turns into Shinju

And what's crazy is that's exactly what happened for Momoshiki with Boruto, since Kinshiki was inferior to him it was up to him to sacrifice himself to the Ten-Tails all the time

He landed on Earth with the same form present in the Otsutsuki dimension, which shows that this is his "base" form as an Otsutsuki

During his fight against Naruto, Sasuke, Boruto and the Kages he changed his lower duo (Kinshiki) into fruit and ate it, resulting in this transformation

But at the time of his defeat against Boruto he decides to put the Karma to him to be able to resuscitate later

And exactly like Kaguya he "retrogrades" in his form after putting his Kama on Boruto, no more rinnegan on his forehead, tiny horns, no more his black marks on his face and body

It's the same in the manga when Momoshiki announces a dark fate to Boruto, he has much smaller horns compared to his "base" form present in the Otsutsuki dimension but also the one with which he came on Earth

Image 1: Kaguya "base" form

Image 2: Momoshiki "base" form

Image 3: Kaguya after being revived via the Kama

Image 4: Momoshiki after putting his Kama on Boruto

Everything sticks, when an Otsutsuki uses the Kama it "retrogrades" to its "base" form

So, if my theory is correct the in Boruto explained why Kaguya had a different form (without horns, Otsutsuki clothes nor Rinne Sharingan on her forehead) during her flashback in Naruto Shippuden, she "demoted" after resurrecting through Kama

And we can also see it with Isshiki, his "base" form present in the Otsutsuki dimension has a slightly different and much longer horn compared to his horn when he resurrects via the Kama facing Kashin Koji (but less blatant than for others)

Besides, the moment he absorbs the Ten-Tails' chakra to go and retrieve Kawaki from Konoha, he undergoes a slight transformation and he has exactly the same horn as in the hologram, perhaps there is part of his power to its "base" form in the Ten-Tails

The moment he took full control over Jigen's body, he may have gone to retrieve his lower body from its "base" form that Kaguya ripped from him, to feed it to his Ten-Tails

What explains why Jigen (Isshiki) could take so much chakra from his Ten-Tails, is because his Ten-Tails has his lower body in the form of a "base" inside him that Kaguya ripped off, and saw that the lower part of his body was non-living, his Ten-Tails did not turn into Shinju

The only hole I found in this is that Shibai, the one from Amado gave DNA to Daemon and Ada (Daemon still weaker than Prime Isshiki @Dyss00😉), apparently became more powerful through resurecting several times with the Karma. However, the statement says that he "cheated death" and its not talking directly about power.

And that's all! What you all think?