All posts by UltimaDude

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Squinty97 wrote: Sasuke also predicted the attack to a degree via Sharingan right? </p> </i></div>
<p>No, not really. They were not expecting the attack hence the exclamation mark and simply reacted accordingly. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Squinty97 wrote: he blocked the attack didn't he? </p> </i></div>
<p>Yeah, but he caught wind of it at the same time as Sasuke after it was fired. So, it's just a simple reaction feat </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Squinty97 wrote: Wouldn't sensing be his prior indication? </p> </i></div>
<p>Considering that he didn't predict Madara's previous technique, I don't think he sensed the beam coming. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Squinty97 wrote: I do in fact believe that Naruto is not lightspeed, I think he just sensed an attack coming and ducked, similar to ducking out of the way of a gun pointed at you </p> </i></div>
<p>Yeah, I know. Unlike the gun example, where you know that if you stand still, you'll get shot, there was no prior indication that Madara was going to shoot a beam of light from his mouth. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Nayeon123 wrote: Yes. </p> </i></div>
<p>If that's the case, your argument has no legs to stand on. Kawaki is not light-speed otherwise he would have blitzed Boro all by himself </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Squinty97 wrote: Uh anyone forget that Naruto can predict stuff due to sensing? He didn't just react to the beam firing either, he knew it was coming </p> </i></div>
<p>Lol, that would make an even stronger case that Naruto isn't lightspeed. But, I don't think he predicted the beam at all since he shouted, "Whoa!!", in utter surprise. Also, he never demonstrated anticipating techniques as seen in the beginning of the very chapter, his battle against Kaguya, and his fight against Sasuke. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Nayeon123 wrote: Naruto dodged and reacted to Delta's light beams and people calculated it to more than 2x the speed of light. </p> </i></div>
<p>Kawaki intercepted the so called light beams which suggest that their not actual beams of light. Unless, you want to argue that Kawai is light-speed as well. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Babyfriend1 wrote: but it's speculation that he didn't dodge the slash <i>and</i> the beam therefore it's fact that he dodged the beam. If you show other possibilities you're just making baseless headcanon and if you don't then the scene unambiguously abides by my interpretation since there's no other way it could've happened. </p> </i></div>
<p>Lol, XD </p>

<p>Until we see characters move from country-to-country nearly instantaneously and see them react to such speeds, no one is light-speed </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Babyfriend1 wrote: inb4 the sage art: storm release light fang scene </p> </i></div>
<p>Lol, even then, Naruto dodged the slash, not the beam itself. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>BloodOfTheArchon wrote: Lmao dude, just say you want Minato to win every fight in the vs forums and leave it at that. </p> </i></div>
<p>Annnd here's the usual ad hominem when you can't come up with a proper rebuttal. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>BloodOfTheArchon wrote: A isn't as smart as Hiruzen. Also you have no idea what else Hiruzen deduced about the TSB's after the first scuffle with TTJ Obito, his upper half was blown away for awhile so he didn't fight the TTJ's any further. You think that because Minato deduced those things that Hiruzen can't or didn't but that's simply an assumption on your end. Minato's only factors against Hiruzen here are FTG and bodily speed. Hiruzen already knows what Minato is capable of. Also considering Tobirama was an FTG user and is super fast himself and he didn't say a peep to contest Hiruzen when Hiruzen said he himself was the strongest between them all goes to show that you are understimating Hiruzen. Hiruzen comes up with counters for everything, FTG will not be an exception. Minato's best chance is to hope he can end the fight ASAP before Hiruzen begins counter measures for FTG, and again he knows how FTG works and he saw Minato fight the Kyuubi to the end so he knows what Minato can and can't do. </p> </i></div>
<p>A still came up with a counter against FTG, so that's a moot point. Along with the supposed time limit, that's all he deduced. It seems that you excel at attacking straw man arguments because I never said that Hiruzen wouldn't have come to the same conclusions Minato had, it's just that he simply didn't. Minato deduced more about the TSBs and immediately came up with a plan which suggests that he's just as smart, if not, smarter than Hiruzen. Minato also has the Rasengan, Sage Mode, and a boss summon under his belt. </p><p>When did Hiruzen say call himself the strongest between him and Tobirama? Though it doesn't really matter, since Minato is the faster and better FTG user between him and Tobirama, per the second Hokage's words. </p><p>Hiruzen comes up counters for everything? Really? Was him being completely helpless against Kurama's TBB a counter? Or was getting dusted by Juubito's TSB a counter? </p><p>Like I said before, having a counter doesn't mean a thing if you don't have the capacity to execute it. Also, you are under the assumption that Hiruzen will predict every move that Minato will make, that Minato doesn't know a thing about the way Hiruzen fights, and that Minato won't simply change tactics or adapt. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Antonio415 wrote: True that knowing about FTG doesnt mean your able to counter but, it is has been shown that Hiruzen is very smart like when he was the first outta the first 4 hokage to figure out Obito's truth seeking orb's abilities. Though I do believe that Hiruzen will get tagged up a bit but I dont believe he'll get one shotted of go down that easy. I think eventually he'll come up with a counter to the FTG and when that happines it's only a matter of time before Minato dies. So um Hiruzen wins </p> </i></div>
<p>All Hiruzen figured out about TSBs is that they are pretty much an OP version of Dust Release. Minato, on the other hand, figured out their range of control, their "non-activated" status, and their vulnerability to Space-Time ninjutsu. He also quickly devised a plan with all three characteristics in mind. Minato is far faster, arguably has more chakra, and is just as smart, if not, smarter than Hiruzen. Simply coming up with a counter isn't enough to beat a highly skilled FTG user like Minato, otherwise Ay would have beaten him in their first bout </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Ninja Of War wrote: True yeah. Although, wind blades attacking on a molecular level, does sound similar to dust release also. </p> </i></div>
<p>The wind blades attack at the cellular level, not molecular. That would be too OP </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Ninja Of War wrote: Yeah, due to Byakugan and gentle fist combination targeting the tenketsu. Isn't it a big deal that the gentle fist can destroy chakra based substances? As in destroying the "structure of chakra" and not just brute force chakra vs chakra? </p> </i></div>
<p>All Neji did against Kidomaru's webs was form his chakra into a needle-like shape to cut through it. It may have been very precise, but, in the grand scheme of things, it's not that impressive. Sasuke can do the same thing with his Chidori Sharp Spear. You have to remember that the Gentle Fist involves one surgically injecting their chakra into a target, which is usually someone's tenketsu. Gentle Fist vs. Kidomaru's webs is still chakra vs chakra. </p>

<p>The Rasenshuriken and Gentle Fist attack the chakra pathway system very differently. The Rasenshuriken actually severs the paths in the system while Gentle Fist is typically used to target the tenketsu along the system. The Gentle Fist's use against chakra-based substances isn't anything special since it's simply chakra vs chakra. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>CursemarkSenjutsu wrote: Okay, I didn't know that was the Jougan, I thought it was the Byakugan. But Toneri is seen doing something to Boruto's visual prowess, and he at least had the Tenseigan. But sure </p> </i></div>
<p>We don't know what Toneri's involvement is with the Jogan, but we know that him awakening the Tenseigan had nothing to do with it since he lost it </p>

<p>The Byakugan, Sharingan, and Rinnegan are all separate dojutsus with the Sharingan and Rinnegan derviving from the Rinne-Sharingan. The Jogan is a separate dojutsu from the Tenseigan and Byakugan. The only evolution that takes place is from Byakugan to Tenseigan. Also, the Jogan's made its debut in the very first chapter of the Boruto manga. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Jira89 wrote: UltimaDude...I don't need to read this incoerence: "One of Madara's Wood Clones had to use his EMS to cast genjutsu". So...Madara double rinnegan can create clones and use EMS, can switch, he doesn't need to keep mangekyo eyes. The only arrogant here it's you. you even denied that sasuke's rinne sharingan has lost his tomes. but now you like to answer only the things you think you are sure of. Ok, you are wrong, just have a little humility and admit to remembering badly. Good day. </p> </i></div>
<p>By incoherence, you mean facts that debunks your claims? The wood clone was seen casting genjutsu with the EMS instead of the Rinnegan, which suggests that it can't be done with the latter eye. Sasuke does not have the Rinne-Sharingan. His eye is stated to be the Rinnegan in both the manga and databook. I've addressed all of your points </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Jira89 wrote: "Sasuke's eye is not a Rinne-Sharingan, it is just a Rinnegan that can use the power of his Sharingan" ...? LOL. What "power"? Madara can use all his powers with rinnegan. Plus Sasuke has other eye for Mangekyo. </p> </i></div>
<p>One of Madara's Wood Clones had to use his EMS to cast genjutsu, while Sasuke can use it through his Rinnegan. So, Madara can't use his Sharingan abilities through his Rinnegan (aside from Susanoo, which can be use without any eyes) </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>"Watch the movie again." I rewatched before replying to you to make sure i remember well, now it's your turn to rewatch. </p> </i></div>
<p>You clearly didn't. Toneri said </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>When this pure Byakugan synergizes with my chakra, it will transform into the Tenseigan [the dojutsu]. With its Visual Prowess, I will pick up the ashes of Earth and create a brand new world... </p> </i></div>
<p>The Otsutsuki clan patriarch said to Hinata </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Toneri, a descendant of the branch family, is attempting to make the moon fall into the Earth with the power of the Tenseigan [the energy vessel]. Only you [Hinata] can destroy the Tenseigan [the energy vessel], Byakugan Princess.. </p> </i></div>
<p>Like I said, the energy vessel had nothing to do with Toneri's dojutsu </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>"Are you referring to the horrendously erroneous anime filler?" I'm referring on manga chapter 670 .So Kaguya or Hagoromo can create\use TenTails, but Isshiki not? A more powerful Otsutsuki? Ok dude. </p> </i></div>
<p>Hagoromo was not involved in the so-called "creation" of the Ten-Tails and as explained by Black Zetsu, Kaguya merged with the Shinju to become the Ten-Tails. Ishikki simply having another Ten-Tails trapped in a dimension is not indicative that he created it. You have been wrong on nearly all counts, so I would suggest that you curb your arrogance </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Jira89 wrote: nope, rinne sharingan is just a stronger form of rinnegan :) I don't understand why you have to contradict these obvious things. Kaguya has no normal rinnegan's, rinnegan is a by-product of the rinne sharingan. Sasuke also loses his tomoe when he weakens and returns to normal rinnegan. </p><p>Toneri Tenseigan is enhanced with byakugans contained in that machine before the final fight... it seems that you have to contradict me at any cost, like the fact that you keep denying that Otsutsukis can create tentails. You can see Hagoromo and Hamura fought the same form of tentails seen in war, in their flashback. </p> </i></div>
<p>What are you on about? The Rinne-Sharingan isn't "just a stronger form of the Rinnegan", it's the predecessor of the Rinnegan and Sharingan. The dojutsu has never been displayed without any tomoes. Sasuke's eye is not a Rinne-Sharingan, it is just a Rinnegan that can use the power of his Sharingan </p><p>Watch the movie again. Toneri's Tenseigan eye has nothing to do with the energy vessel. Don't blame me for "contradicting" you when you're constantly making blatantly false statements. It's not a fact that Otsutsukis can create Ten-Tails until it's confirmed that they can. Are you referring to the horrendously erroneous anime filler? </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Jira89 wrote: The Last was not written by Kishimoto. However Toneri is an Otsutsuki, and Otsutsuki's can create TenTails. Also Isshiki in Boruto has one. Tenseigan was created with energy of many byakugan, like shinju trees collect energy on planets. TSB are just spheres of powerful compressed chakras, it is not surprising that in the Toneri transformation there is something similar. </p><p>I don't writed that becoming TTJ maximizes the power of rinnegan (but of course yes, rinne sharingan, more chakras available, infinite tsukuyomi lol). I have talked about the awakening of Six Paths chakra in general. </p> </i></div>
<p>The Last is still canon and has been stated by Kishi to be chapter 699.5. We don't know if Otsutsukis can create Ten-Tails and it hasn't been shown how Isshiki obtained his Ten-Tails. The Tenseigan <i>energy vessel</i> was the one that was powered by the many Byakugans of the moon Otsutsukis. The Tenseigan <i>dojutsu</i> is acquired when an Otsutsuki implants the Byakugan of a Hyuga. </p><p>Oh, you were talking about Six Paths chakra in general, my bad. The Rinne-Sharingan and the Rinnegan are two dojutsus </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: The Last did have some things in it that can be seen as wrong, such as omitting SPSM's existence from Naruto and giving him only NTCM instead in order to keep SPSM a secret from anime viewers.. but The Last is officially said to be chapter 699.5. </p><p>The Last was released on December 6, 2014 SPSM debuted on July 23, 2015 in the anime. </p> </i></div>
<p>The studio omitting SPSM because they want to keep it a secret is complete speculation. The movie had Sasuke with his Rinnegan, so the studio would have definitely showed SPSM if they have actually wanted to. </p>