All posts by Dovahmasters

<div class="quote"><i> <p>QuakingStar wrote: Ok so you just gave him the 9 tails, which the only reason Hashirama was able to beat was because of wood release. With 9 tails involved this is just a spite thread. @Moderators what do you think?? </p><p>Also, the only people who actually knew Hiruzen's prime were Danzo and his advisers as they were on the battlefield with him in the wars, Dan was not. So stop with the BS. Prime Hiruzen was officially confirmed in DB4 to surpass Tobirama at a young age, he wasn't even in his prime yet. Tobirama beat Izuna who is = MS Madara whereas the only difference between EMS Madara and MS Madara is permanent eyesight, less strain on the eyes and CB Susanoo. So if a young Hiruzen was able to surpass Tobirama = Izuna = Madara then Prime Hiruzen would still win, even if Barely against Madara alone. With 9 Tails Madara wins. You all hate Hiruzen, we get it. Uchiahmasters you love the Uchiha, we get it.. your name even has Uchiha in it. You biased people don't belong in vs threads. @Lulcie;id THANK YOU, the only person with common sense here when it comes to Madara v Hashirama at VotE. </p> </i></div>
<p>I picked the title Uchihamasters because it sounded cool, (I was very close to calling myself Rikudomasters, but I changed my mind) I'm not a biased person, I just take feats into consideration unlike you who just makes shit up. a argument that only takes databook info into consideration is a worthless argument. do I think EMS Madara is anywhere near as powerful as base Hashirama, no I don't EMS Madara cannot beat Hashirama but he sure as hell would beat Hiruzen, where was it stated that the only people who knew Hiruzen's strength were Danzo and the advisers, because it's starting to feel like you're making shit up again, Dan also took part in a war while Hiruzen was still in his prime, that's where he died. it makes no sense for characters like Tsunade, Jiraiya and Orochimaru to not know how powerful Hiruzen was in his prime. </p>

<p>Hiruzen gets destroyed by the one who's power wasn't exaggerated or retconned. </p><p>the only reason Hiruzen was ever considered strong was because the people never knew how powerful Hashirama and Madara were. </p><p>Dan who knew how powerful Hiruzen was in his prime stated that the only person who could take Madara was Hashirama, he never mentioned Hiruzen. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>JouXIII wrote: Minato's Yin-Kurama Mode and Shisui's half-body Susanoo doesn't matter against Asura's chakra avatar and Indra's Complete Body Susanoo: while Asura and Indra are fighting, Minato and Shisui gets squashed. </p><p>As for Tobirama and Neji... Like Thekillman said, collateral damage along with Minato and Shisui. </p><p>And before anyone tries to say, "But Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 Shisui!", it ain't canon. Technically, Shisui having Susanoo at all wasn't confirmed in the manga, but at very least it's not impossible for him to awake it. </p> </i></div>
<p>of course Shisui's PS isn't canon but neither is his half body susanoo, unless it's confirmed in the actual anime or the manga he doesn't have susanoo. </p><p>and by actual anime I don't mean video game cutscenes that just happened to be animated by pierriot. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>QuakingStar wrote: It was exaggerated plot bs. I am telling you all over and over again Naruto and Sasuke are overrated. @Princeharris I agree with you. Also do not forget Madara also had Six Paths Chakra since he awakened Rinnegan and he most definitely was using it in his CB Susanoo as it IS your chakra once you awaken it, yet Hashirama was tying him with the Wood Golem tech when they were fighting as Edo Tensei's showing that Sage Mode Hashirama is still a hairs width stronger than Rinnegan Madara who has Six Paths Chakra, Hashi cells in his chest/heart and Rinnegan just like Sasuke. Not to mention they are both Indra incarnates. It is impossible that Sasuke after losing Hag's specific special Chakra is stronger than Rinnegan living Madara, and if he is, the difference would be so small it would be almost unnoticeable. </p> </i></div>
<p>so despite the fact that he was able to disintegrate a village sized piece of the moon with a regular Chidori, uproot the shinju tree with speed alone, has enough physical strength to kick Momoshiki hard enough to make large craters in mountain sized objects all without using his full abilities he's somehow now weaker than he was when fighting Kaguya when his chidori was nowhere near the level it was in the last, when he didn't have the physical strength or speed to damage mountain sized object without resorting to ninjutsu. Sorry but your statement that Sasuke is not as powerful now compared to his fight against Kaguya is quite frankly ridiculous. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>UltimaDude wrote: @Uchiahmasters Naruto's Six Paths+Tailed Beast Enhanced Tailed Beast Mode tied with Sasuke's Tailed Beast-empowered Susanoo </p> </i></div>
<p>as stated before that was plot, it broke the logic of the series into a million pieces it was nonsensical at best. </p>

<p>I was referencing Sasuke's susanoo competing with Naruto's regular tailed beast mode which has six paths chakra and power from all nine tailed beasts. Naruto was holding back throughout most of the fight yes, but the second Sasuke absorbed the tailed beasts Naruto stopped holding back and went all out with his strongest attack. Naruto only beat tailed beast susanoo because the plot required him to. </p><p>Sasuke's susanoo ever since he got the rinnegan has been powered by six paths chakra, so yes it is what made Sasuke's susanoo stronger than Madara's susanoo or Hashirama's 1000 armed Buddha. </p><p>the reason Sasuke is stronger than Hashirama is because the feats he has shown in the fight against Naruto, in the last and in boruto the movie are numerous times more impressive than Hashirama's </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Princeharris1993 wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>Uchiahmasters wrote: Sasuke's susanoo is powered by his own six paths chakra, six paths chakra is still many times stronger than Hashirama's sage chakra and because of this Sasuke's susanoo is much stronger than 1000 armed Buddha, wood dragons can be destroyed just like everything else Sasuke's susanoo is more than capable of destroying wood dragons without having too much difficulty before his susanoo can be absorbed. </p> </i></div>
<p>The 1000 armed buddah dwarfs the Complete Body Susanoo, the page even says it, and dodging its thousands of arms is next to impossible. All manga facts. The wood Dragons are more than capable of restraining the most powerful tailed beast, all fours of its limbs and all nine of its tails. Restraining a 4 limbed, 2 winged, chakra avatar is nothing for a person that can sprout forests like nothing. If he could take on MAdara's Susanoo and Kurama at once, he can take Sasukes Susanoo. No question about it. Six Paths chakra doesnt mean anything if Sasuke is just using a Susanoo. </p> </div> <p>it's bigger yes, but it's not as powerful, you do realise that Sasuke's susanoo is powered by six paths chakra so yes having six paths chakra still means something, Sasuke's susanoo fought against Naruto's six paths chakra enhanced tailed beats mode which had the power of all nine tailed beasts, so what's your point. </p>

<p>Sasuke's susanoo is powered by his own six paths chakra, six paths chakra is still many times stronger than Hashirama's sage chakra and because of this Sasuke's susanoo is much stronger than 1000 armed Buddha, wood dragons can be destroyed just like everything else Sasuke's susanoo is more than capable of destroying wood dragons without having too much difficulty before his susanoo can be absorbed. </p>

<p>@princeharris1993 Madara may be more skilled and more experienced than adult Sasuke, but he's nowhere near as strong overall. Sasuke has six paths chakra implemented into his perfect susanoo I don't see Hashirama being able to defeat or overpower Sasuke's perfect susanoo even with 1000 armed Buddha thanks to the fact that Sasuke can just disintegrate Hashirama's wood style with perfect susanoo Chidori, (His regular Chidori was able to disintegrate a piece of the moon nearly the size of the Leaf village his perfect susanoo Chidori would easily destroy Hashirama's 1000 armed Buddha) wood dragon may be able to absorb chakra but Sasuke would be able to force the wood dragons off before they could really do anything. </p><p>I could go on with why Hashirama wouldn't be able to beat adult Sasuke if you want. </p>

<p>I would like to see Sasuke implement lightning style into his perfect susanoo to make a lightning style: perfect susanoo. Just imagine the cutting power adult Sasuke's perfect susanoo would have if it was made of lightning style chakra, seriously I could see it matching Toneri's golden wheel reincarnation explosion. (you know the blade that cut the moon in half.) It would most likely be much faster then regular susanoo and have higher defence against everything other than wind style attacks. </p><p>I would also like to see Sasuke master the lightning armour that the fourth Raikage used, he had the sharingan which can copy ninjutsu and genjutsu so it would make sense for this to happen. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Makimaki11 wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>Uchiahmasters wrote: Rinnegan Sasuke alone kills Hashirama. </p> </i></div>
<p>And how would he do that? </p> </div> <p>Hashirama is far from being a threat to Rinnegan Sasuke, Sasuke after getting the Rinnegan and six paths chakra was able to overwhelm one eyed TTJ Madara after Madara absorbed the shinju tree, Hashirama couldn't even slow Sasuke down at that point. </p><p>as to how Sasuke would win, well he could teleport his susanoo right in front of Hashirama and one shot him with ease, or he could have his perfect susanoo overwhelm Hashirama's 1000 hand Buddha there are many ways for Sasuke to kill Hashirama with susanoo alone. </p>

Rinnegan Sasuke alone kills Hashirama.

<div class="quote"><i> <p>RasenganUchiha wrote: @Uchiahmasters they are not native to earth the white skin and eyes are a giveaway even the sage said so and was proven in the boruto movie that they live outside the earths dimension or world </p> </i></div>
<p>yet their father was stated in this episode to be Lord Tenji a human, but this is non canon filler so I stated that it was only semi confirmed. </p>

<p>I always had a feeling that Hagoromo and Hamura were only half alien, but this episode semi confirms that feeling as accurate. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>QuakingStar wrote: Itachi didn't have MS until Shisui died. Also all the stories on Storm Revolution were written by Kishi and the designs were from Kishi too. So I think they may be canon.. Only Perfect Susanoo are not canon for Itachi and Shisui for a fact. </p> </i></div>
<p>give me a source for your statement that Kishi wrote those game cutscenes because I pretty much followed revolution's development cycle and nowhere was it stated that he had any involvement outside of drawing what the susanoo looked like, he also drew Mecha Naruto but nobody here calls him a canon character. </p>

Madara only got both Rinnegan after becoming a ten tails jinchuriki.

<div class="quote"><i> <p>XShadyShadow wrote: @Uchiahmasters If I'm not mistaken, didn't Kishi say that the parts filled in for Storm Revolution were canon? (It showed how various members of the akatsuki joined <--- That also links up with the story from the manga and Shisui vs Danzo and Anbu.) I think Shisui having Susano'o is canon, but PS is not canon. It would make sense too honestly, if he didn't have Susano'o then he wouldn't be able to beat MS Itachi when Itachi said he was superior. The wiki even fills in saying he used it against Danzo, and states that only PS isn't canon and is game only. I think Shisui with Susano'o is canon. </p><p>If so then I give it to Shisui, if not then I'm leaning more towards Minato. We haven't seen much from a base Shisui except we know he's stronger than Itachi. </p> </i></div>
<p>No Kishi didn't directly or indirectly state that those game cutscenes are canon. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>X29 wrote: Why's Yagura in this? Whatever. Hashirama and Madara combined together are probably going to defeat Obito in his Ten-Tails jinchuriki form. </p> </i></div>
<p>Seriously why is Yagura in this? he is not going to be useful. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>XShadyShadow wrote: @Rachin123 Oh okay, I wasn't sure but yeah I agree 100%. Kakashi isn't Kamui'ing someone's head off under normal circumstances. To be back on topic, doesn't Shisui have Susano'o? </p> </i></div>
<p>Shisui doesn't have susanoo in the canon only in the games. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Dakotalust16 wrote: yeah but it didn't really affect him. </p> </i></div>
<p>that hole in his chest did affect him, it nearly killed him, the only reason he survived is because he became a ten tails jinchuriki. </p>