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<p>Momoshiki and Kinshiki were representatives of the Ohtsutsuki-clan sent to Earth. We know from Boruto: Naruto the Movie's novel that there are many Ohtsutsuki throughout the universe and various realms.
</p><p>If Kaguya was the Princess then there should be a King and Queen, possibly a Prince too.
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<p>Momoshiki has two Solar System level feats in the Boruto Movie novel. Time-space is a scientific concept with a definition which is used in Naruto.. It's not some vague statement like you think it is.
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<p>"An expansive kekkei moura truthseeker orb that contains each and every nature. Wind, Earth, Lightning, Water, Shadow, and Light. It's the start of a new time-space. And you all will become sacrifices to it."
</p><p>A parallel time-space like the Kamui dimension, Kaguya's time-space has been shown to be at least the size of a solar system. Also, as i explained before, Kaguya's time-spaces were clearly demonstrated as being parallel.
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<p>No, a new time-space could not mean "a time of a new era". Time-space in physics is a 4-Dimensional structure of any size. In Naruto the Kamui dimension, and Limbo are described as parallel time-spaces. As iv'e explained before Obito said that each of Kaguya's realms are time-spaces like the Kamui dimension.
</p><p>The Ten Tails quite literally is the planet, and has numerous moon to planet level feats/statements as iv'e explained before.
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<p>Rachin123 wrote:
And yet you have no solid proof that Kaguya is solar system level. She doesn't even rewrite any time-space, she teleports you to a different dimension. By that logic all teleportors are reality warpers. I mean if you want you can take it as their reality has been changed. One minute they are on Earth, the next in 6 other dimensions. That is about as much reality warping you get. But, that's there reality that changed, not actual reality.
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<p>As iv'e explained above, Kaguyas ETSB was going to destroy and recreate a time-space that we know to be at least the size of a Solar System. Kaguya is Planet level+ in her other regards. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Kakashisologod1 wrote: Those dimensions themselfs might be planets,so when she says she is going to destroy those dimensions implies that she IS planet buster.Far above solar system lvl is pure nonsense. </p> </i></div>
<p>As iv'e explained multiple times above, those dimensions were shown to be atleast the size of a Solar System. </p>
<p>As iv'e explained above, Kaguyas ETSB was going to destroy and recreate a time-space that we know to be at least the size of a Solar System. Kaguya is Planet level+ in her other regards. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Kakashisologod1 wrote: Those dimensions themselfs might be planets,so when she says she is going to destroy those dimensions implies that she IS planet buster.Far above solar system lvl is pure nonsense. </p> </i></div>
<p>As iv'e explained multiple times above, those dimensions were shown to be atleast the size of a Solar System. </p>
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</p><p>"It's funny since she never uses this power to defeat Naruto and Sasuke. Seems to me there's a clear mismatch between what people want her to be, and what she actually is."
</p><p>Kaguya was not trying to kill Naruto and Sasuke until she started the ETSB.. Plus Kaguya is only Solar System level with the ETSB and likely reality warping. Otherwise Kaguya is Planet level+.
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<p>Kakashisologod1 wrote:
Guys we should not take everything character says seriously.Madara said his PS can destroy everything in entire universe.There is a thing called hyperbole.
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<p>It actually says "destroy all things in nature", which is inline with a planet level Ten Tails via statements, planet level Juubi-Obito via statments, planet level Toneri via statements, and planet level Kinshiki via statements. </p>
<p>It actually says "destroy all things in nature", which is inline with a planet level Ten Tails via statements, planet level Juubi-Obito via statments, planet level Toneri via statements, and planet level Kinshiki via statements. </p>
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</p><p>Kaguyas parallel time-space's can be confirmed to be atleast the size of a Solar System for these reasons,
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- A sun can be seen in the sky of Kaguyas sand dimension multiple times.
- A bright moon can be seen in the sky of Kaguyas ice dimension . Which means that a star must be casting light on the moon.
- Sun-rays can be seen in one of Kaguyas alternate dimensions.
- Kaguyas ice dimension can be seen to have a day and night cycle. This indicates the presence of a star.
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<p>"I have no idea what you mean by "they are parallel".
</p><p>Also, did you just imply Obito can make planets too? Because i'm pretty sure that contextually, Obito meant that she could access these "dimensions" like he can access his."
</p><p>The panel I linked shows that Sasuke felt Naruto's chakra from a parallel time-space, they aren't all planets in the same time-space.
</p><p>"Irrelevant. What Kaguya calls a "dimension" isn't actually a dimension in the physics sense. If it is used in the physics sense then we'd be living in a 5-D (or more) world, meaning that the word "time-space" itself is wrong."
</p><p>You must not understand what 5-D is. The fifth dimension is an axis containing all the next possible nows, in a sense it's probability. Each point on that line is a 4-D time-space. What you just said is pure nonsense.
</p><p>"That still does not make him Planet level. Recreating the Earth would be fairly easy, since the moon doesn't really smash the planet that hard from a de-orbit. Sure it would be hot as hell and quite a bit of atmosphere would be burnt off, but it's not like Toneri would have to reconstitute a whole planet from stray atoms.
</p><p>Continent level is an appropriate term, i like it. Does he have the power to reshape the surface of the Earth? seems fine by me, comparable to Hagoromo and the Juubi, so it fits."
</p><p>If i recall correctly Toneri stated that he would reduce the planet to rubble. As iv'e explained before the Juubi has numerous Moon to Planet level feats.
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<p>Rachin123 wrote:
Last time I checked. In order to be a moon buster, you have to actually destroy the moon. Cutting it in half doesn't cut it. That's like someone punching a large hole in a mountain and based on your logic, they are mountain busters.
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<p>Toneri stated that he was going to destroy the planet by crashing the moon into it, and then re-creating the Earth. </p><p>Hence Toneri is Planet level+ via statements/power-scaling, and Moon level+ with telekinesis for being capable of rapidly moving the moon. </p><p>Toneri cutting the moon in half would be ~ multi-continent level. Naruto was capable of casually tanking and no-selling this beam with his hand. That would be a Moon level feat for KSM Naruto which should scale to Toneri. </p>
<p>Toneri stated that he was going to destroy the planet by crashing the moon into it, and then re-creating the Earth. </p><p>Hence Toneri is Planet level+ via statements/power-scaling, and Moon level+ with telekinesis for being capable of rapidly moving the moon. </p><p>Toneri cutting the moon in half would be ~ multi-continent level. Naruto was capable of casually tanking and no-selling this beam with his hand. That would be a Moon level feat for KSM Naruto which should scale to Toneri. </p>
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... the extent of her dimensions is known.
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<p>Except it's not. For all we know, all planets are in the same star system. There's nothing to suggest that the star seen at each dimension is a different star each time. </p><p>In any case, it's clear that Kaguya's use of "dimension" is absolutely nothing like, say, Obito's dimension. Obito had a weird crystalline world, whereas Kaguya's are honest-to-god planets. </p><p>
</p> </div> <p>That's simply wrong. They were clearly demonstrated as each being parallel. Plus Obito described them as being time space's each just like the Kamui dimension. </p>
<p>Except it's not. For all we know, all planets are in the same star system. There's nothing to suggest that the star seen at each dimension is a different star each time. </p><p>In any case, it's clear that Kaguya's use of "dimension" is absolutely nothing like, say, Obito's dimension. Obito had a weird crystalline world, whereas Kaguya's are honest-to-god planets. </p><p>
</p> </div> <p>That's simply wrong. They were clearly demonstrated as each being parallel. Plus Obito described them as being time space's each just like the Kamui dimension. </p>
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<p>Well, here are the numerous moon to small planet size explosions. The problem is that for some reason you cant accept what Kishimoto wrote <i>many many</i> times. It's not some passing statement which should be disregarded.
</p><p>Those explosions would be planet size going by the calculation which puts the Naruto planet at a little smaller than Jupiter.
</p><p>Believe Kaguya is Solar System level...? The ETSB was the start of a new time-space which we know to be at least the size of a Solar System.
</p><p>Plus I should mention that Momoshiki has a Star to Solar System level, and a Solar System level feat in the Boruto Movie novel.
</p><p>Anyways, i'm done with this argument for now. The downplay is strong with Naruto.
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<p>... the extent of her dimensions is known.
</p><p>Kaguyas parallel time-space's can be confirmed to be atleast the size of a Solar System for these reasons,
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- A sun can be seen in the sky of Kaguyas sand dimension multiple times.
- A bright moon can be seen in the sky of Kaguyas ice dimension . Which means that a star must be casting light on the moon.
- Sun-rays can be seen in one of Kaguyas alternate dimensions.
- Kaguyas ice dimension can be seen to have a day and night cycle. This indicates the presence of a star.
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<p>DC52 wrote:
You're downplaying since you cannot refute a single one of my points. Kinshiki was stated to be too.
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<p>Thats a hyperbole. Also, I don't recall the ten tails having any moon level feats. </p><p>Why are you allowed to post links to manga panels? Is there a loop hole I can take advantage of? </p> </div> <p>You can find the feats here. </p>
<p>Thats a hyperbole. Also, I don't recall the ten tails having any moon level feats. </p><p>Why are you allowed to post links to manga panels? Is there a loop hole I can take advantage of? </p> </div> <p>You can find the feats here. </p>
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<p>Madara's Susano'o was actually stated to be capable of "reshaping all things in nature". Which is in line with the Ten Tails being stated to literally be the planet, the Sword of Nunoboko which was stated to be capable of destroying the planet, and Kinshiki who can split planets. Plus we have multiple moon to small-planet size explosions.
</p><p>Kaguya is only Solar System level with the ETSB and likely reality warping. She is Planet level+ in all other regards.
</p><p>You're also forgetting that Kaguya didn't want to kill Naruto and Sasuke. She wanted to take their chakra...
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<p>Rachin123 wrote:
I think we should close this thread. This is just a bunch of nonsense, fanon bs.
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<p>You're downplaying since you cannot refute a single one of my points. Kinshiki was stated to be capable of splitting planets too. </p><p>In the manga Kaguya says "this is my time-space", we later find out Kaguya can create new time-space's. It's insane nonsense to say she did not create the parallel time-spaces adding the consideration that Momoshiki who is weaker than her was stated to be capable of. Regardless if she created them or not it doesn't matter. </p><p>Kaguya showed no fatigue and grew more powerful after destroying and then creating a time-space which is at least the size of a Solar System. </p><p>She is capable of instantly rewriting the time-space of any of the 6 parallel time-space's which are at least the size of a Solar System. </p><p>Close this thread when you have actual evidence to the contrary. Rather than just calling it fanon bs.. </p>
<p>You're downplaying since you cannot refute a single one of my points. Kinshiki was stated to be capable of splitting planets too. </p><p>In the manga Kaguya says "this is my time-space", we later find out Kaguya can create new time-space's. It's insane nonsense to say she did not create the parallel time-spaces adding the consideration that Momoshiki who is weaker than her was stated to be capable of. Regardless if she created them or not it doesn't matter. </p><p>Kaguya showed no fatigue and grew more powerful after destroying and then creating a time-space which is at least the size of a Solar System. </p><p>She is capable of instantly rewriting the time-space of any of the 6 parallel time-space's which are at least the size of a Solar System. </p><p>Close this thread when you have actual evidence to the contrary. Rather than just calling it fanon bs.. </p>
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<p>Rachin123 wrote:
So you are telling me that a solar system-level god couldn't easily wipe the floor with Naruto and Sasuke who are best moon level. I don't think so. Kaguya is severely hyped. Yea try again. She did not create those dimensions. For deluded fans, she is solar system level high end and star level low end. If it was as you guys fight so hard to point out, we would already include it here, but we don't because we know follow facts.
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<p>Lol, what makes you say Naruto and Sasuke are at best moon level? They had both just received power-ups from Hagoromo. The Ten Tails literally <i>is</i> the planet. </p><p>You did not refute a single one of my points... you're just downplaying. </p>
<p>Lol, what makes you say Naruto and Sasuke are at best moon level? They had both just received power-ups from Hagoromo. The Ten Tails literally <i>is</i> the planet. </p><p>You did not refute a single one of my points... you're just downplaying. </p>
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<p>DB4 calls the parallel time-spaces her dimensions. In the manga Kaguya says "this is my time-space", we later find out Kaguya can create new time-space's. Momoshiki who is weaker than Kaguya as he was trying to attain her power was stated to have created a parallel time-space in the Boruto movie novel "He was even draining the chakra that was beyond the parallel dimension he’d made."
</p><p>Hence we know Kaguya created the parallel time-space's.
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<hr><p>Kaguyas parallel time-space's can be confirmed to be atleast the size of a Solar System for these reasons,
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- A sun can be seen in the sky of Kaguyas sand dimension multiple times.
- A bright moon can be seen in the sky of Kaguyas ice dimension . Which means that a star must be casting light on the moon.
- Sun-rays can be seen in one of Kaguyas alternate dimensions.
- Kaguyas ice dimension can be seen to have a day and night cycle. This indicates the presence of a star.
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