i know both the manga and the anime are considered canon but which is more canon? which should be taken as canon more than the other if push came to shove?
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<p>"i forgot to talk about this claim earlier...yes it freaking is,and possible even WIDER"
</p><p>Prove your stance with facts not feelings.
</p><p>your Gaara observations are just that, they do nothing to strengthen your points.
</p><p>Once again your arguments are going in circles, you have yet to prove to me how Nagato is comparable enough to Delta physically to make up the gap in their strengths.
</p><p>If he cant make up that gap he gets blitzed and Bodied before he can use any of his abilities.
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<p>the problem is that gap between the tiers of characters were talking about is huge, and we can prove it by simply looking at the fight where she was able to react, dodge and consistently counter Naruto, Physically, Naruto was only able to best her via Ninjutsu which is superior to his physical self.
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<p>even if we assume Naruto in Rikudo mode used 10 percent of his strength it would be still superior to his KCM form or his base form.
</p><p>His Base form survived an explosion that blew a hole in the moon, his KCM form survived an attack that split the moon apart, all these forms have inferior durability to Rikudo Naruto who Delta harmed and even outright casually stabbed through Naruto's cloak, this is unlike Shin who used telekinesis to stab Naruto, Delta was using her KE to penetrate Naruto.
</p><p>Base Naruto kept up with Rinnegan Sasuke who was fast enough to blitz Juubi Madara with a chidori who was superior to Juubito who blitzed Hashirama who is faster than someone like AY or early KCM Naruto who were comparable to Nagato in Speed.
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<p>Nagato I'snt slow but Delta is faster
Nagato isnt weak but Delta is stronger.
</p><p>Delta is stronger and faster by virtue of feats.
</p><p>CT would be useless as she is physically superior to a Pseudo nine tails that broke out of Pain's CT
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<p>Delta is superior to Base Naruto who survived a Blast that blew a hole through the Moon
</p><p>Delta is fast enough to react Rikudo Naruto, even if he wasn't going at 100% there's literally no basis for 30 or 40 percent outside of your own speculation, use what is shown, easy as that.
</p><p>Nagato's argument entirely relies on his hax which gets nulled by her speed and strength.
Saying Nagato could match her speed is also unfounded and has no basis outside of speculation.
</p><p>Like I said before and ill say it again.
</p><p>Nagato gets bodied like a ragdoll.
</p><p>were not talking about 5 to 10 times stronger or faster were talking 100 of 000 thousands of times stronger, that's the difference in strength. this doesn't require me to make speculation on it, it's Objectively there for anyone to simply go and look.
</p><p>Nagato's arguments rely on
</p><p>1. Hax which gets nulled by superior speed and strength... by a shit ton
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2. Rikudo naruto being nerfed which is vague considering near the end of their fight it's told to us that Naruto was pissed off and fighting with her properly without holding back physically. </p>
2. Rikudo naruto being nerfed which is vague considering near the end of their fight it's told to us that Naruto was pissed off and fighting with her properly without holding back physically. </p>
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<p>the gap between Lee and Gaara's speed isn't as wide as Delta's and Nagato, also Lee Blitzed the Shit out of Gaara, the only reason he survived was because they were comparable in durability and he had his sand Armour.
</p><p>Delta literally needs to kick Nagato once and he would be dead.
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<p>Because it's clearly given from simply reading the text, it doesn't require me to make elaborate mental gymnastics as to why.
</p><p>She is stronger and she is faster by a ridiculous amount to the point of "Power Clipping" she blitzes as in she moves faster than he can react and kicks him, a single Kick would kill him by virtue of the gap between their physical strength.
</p><p>The only thing I see here is Salty Naruto fans that cant handle the fact that Nagato isn't much of a threat anymore.
</p><p>Your comment about my passive aggressiveness is hypocritical when you were throwing around Ad Hominems earlier.
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<p>Actionmanrandell wrote:
delta isn't compared to Rikudo Naruto, naruto wasn't even trying. anyone who thinks Delta could take on a perfect health Nagato is absolutely irrefutably DELUSIONAL
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<p>Facts say otherwise, i dont need headcanon to argue my point. </p>
<p>Facts say otherwise, i dont need headcanon to argue my point. </p>
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<p>Delta is comparable to Rikudo Naruto who is faster than 100 percent KCM Naruto who can keep up with Juubito who blitzed Hashirama who is comparable to normal Madara who is superior to KCM naruto who is faster than the Raikage who is comparable to BEE who is Comparable to Nagato.
</p><p>SO yes Delta Blitzes
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Delta is way faster than Killer Bee as in the gap between Nagato and Delta in speed is far to great for Nagato to make up.
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<p>Power clipping nullfies anything, if she is way faster than him he wont get time to think about anything,as the meaning of Blitz implies
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I did it doesnt change the fact that he will get blitzed before he can use his hax
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<p>Yes he does, he gets speedblitzed and bodied before he can react
Unless you're going to tell me that nagato is as fast as Juubito or Toneri or Rikudo Naruto.
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<p>FlatZone wrote:
It will take far more than speed and strength to beat Nagato.
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<p>Yeah it's more than enough, Nagato gets bodied hard </p>
<p>Yeah it's more than enough, Nagato gets bodied hard </p>
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wait but Onoki appears in Shikamaru Shinden that takes place after this
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<p>Adult Naruto's KSM tanked an attack that cut the moon in half, lol
Naruto should take this
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<p>so i guess the entire Naruto plot including Kaguya is pretty much fodder stuff...k
</p><p>id rather see Hokage Naruto taking on these space clans
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