All posts by It's Not Johnny

<div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: You are right, they were going to use it to defeat him, but according to Kishi that would not have worked with Madara himself. So they pulled out Kaguya so her dumb ass could have it work on her. </p> </i></div>
<p>That's not what Kishi said. </p>

Gaara is a horrible matchup for Itachi. He wins.

<p>Sasuke speedblitzes. Horrible mismatch. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: Kishimoto already admitted he had now way to actually defeat Madara for Sasuke and Naruto, so he had to use Kaguya hinting that the SP: Chibaku Tensei would not have worked on Madara since he would have figured a way out of it. </p> </i></div>
<p>That makes no sense. And Naruto and Sasuke were canonically going to use it to defeat him. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>Flatzone wrote: he could not be defeated. </p> </i></div>
<p>Yes, he could. </p>

Naruto obliterates.

Mugen Tsukuyomi GG.

Kaguya neg diffs.

<p>A3 since Guy has no way of actually killing him, while A3 can outlast Guy. </p>

MS Madara is featless.

<p>@Jason I thought I debunked that size logic in the other thread. </p><p>Except Hashirama's wood isn't normal wood. Hashirama's Wood Golem already blocked a PS slash. </p><p>What? </p>

<p>Obito. All of their abilities are lolled at with Kamui. It took KCM/BM Naruto, WA base Guy, WA MS Kakashi, and BM Bee just to break Obito's mask and scratch his arm. And the only reason they were able to even touch him was because of Kakashi possessing his left MS. Also, if Obito actually utilizes the Rinnegan, then the Kage are goners. </p>

<p>So, at what point in the series did you think this was a fair match? </p>

<p>@Jason - Still using the size logic? </p><p>- Yeah, okay. </p><p>- So you think Hashirama's wood is as strong as normal wood? So I guess that Asuma could defeat Hashirama because wood is flammable? </p><p>- No, I said in my post that they were fighting evenly. </p>

<p>@Jason But that has nothing to do with power. </p><p>No, my point is that a Perfect Jinchuriki can control a Bijuu's power and make them more powerful. </p><p>Firstly, Hashirama's wood is not as strong as normal wood. Secondly, ofc Hashirama would have dodged the sword swing. You might be able to survive being pierced by a sword, but do you want to tank it, or would you rather dodge it? The same case could be applied to Hashirama's Mokujin. Hagoromo's sword only did that in the filler arc, and his Susano'o is far ore impressive than Madara's. </p><p>Possibly, Hashirama's Wood Golem was fighting evenly with Madara's PS. </p>

<p>I don't believe it has ever been stated, but it does appear to be the case. </p>

<p>@Jason of the Mangekyou How do those chapters prove that the Nine Tails is squashable when put next to Madara's PS? </p><p>And this isn't even a fair comparison, as you're forgetting that the Nine Tails there was out in the wild without a Perfect Jinchuriki to control its power. A Tailed Beast without a Jinchuriki is a lot weaker than a Tailed Beast with a Jinchuriki. </p><p>A sword swing won't block a TBB Barrage. </p><p>Yeah, and Hashirama's Wood Golem is also very durable. </p>

<p>@Jason of the Mangekyou Where are the chapters you provided that prove the Nine Tails is squashable when put next to Madara's PS? </p><p>The Nine Tails can use TBB Barrage on Madara's PS. </p><p>Hashirama's Wood Golem is actually skilled in using its hands for CQC. Madara's PS wields a blade. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Jason of the Mangekyou wrote: One half of kurama has a ton of chakra,if you add the other half to it you'll just get a tailed beast with x2 the amount...don't really see how an increased amount of chakra will save him from the perfect susanoo still..... </p> </i></div>
<p>Madara's PS is on par with 100% Kurama by portrayal. </p><p>100% Kurama inside Naruto is > 100% Kurama because a Jinchuriki is able to control a Tailed Beast's power with intelligence. This means BM Naruto with 100% Kurama inside a Kurama Avatar > Madara's PS. </p>

<p>Sasuke's Susano'o is taken care of by FRS spam. A single FRS from SM Naruto was capable of hurting half the Nine Tails which is > Sasuke's Armored Susano'o. </p><p>Amaterasu and Flame Control are gotten rid of by the Chakra Shroud or dodged. </p><p>Naruto wins high diff. </p>

<p>PS = 100% Kurama. </p><p>Jinchuriki + Bijuu > Bijuu by itself because a Jinchuriki can control and handle the Bijuu's power. </p><p>This means that Naruto as the Jinchuriki of 100% Kurama > 100% Kurama = PS </p><p>Naruto wins mid-high diff. </p>

<p>@Jason Yeah, it's a reaction feat. However, he still kept up with Minato as a 14 year old. </p>