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Quadraticequation·5/4/2021

I'm down.

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Quadraticequation·5/4/2021

But what about Black Zetsu saying his susanoo is indestructible? Does that mean that nobody, like EMS Madara or Hashirama could destroy his susanoo?

Quadraticequation·5/4/2021 in General

Yata Mirror

I was looking through the stuff. And Black Zetsu said that Itachi's susanoo was INVINCIBLE due to the yata mirror and totsuka blade. However, the yata mirror was just a moderate sized mirror, did it only deflect things in front of the mirror or the entire susanoo?

Itachi Uchiha Yata Mirror

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Quadraticequation·5/22/2019

This is a joke right? EMS Madara stomps Minato. To recap, EMS Madara went toe-toe with the First Hokage. Minato got stabbed in the stomach by Killer Bee. So you can tell who wins right?

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Quadraticequation·5/12/2019

<div class="quote"> AsianReaper wrote: <div class="quote"> Quadraticequation wrote: I didn’t respond to this one because I didn’t have any counterargument. Pretty much my only argument is that before Minato’s kunai could even touch B, Bee’s blade was pressed against Minato’s navel, giving me the sense that his reactions were faster. As for Jiraiya, Sage Naruto outreacted the 3rd Raikage, giving me the feeling that Jiraiya had enough reflexes to trap B in his road crush summonings. His only problem would be B’s TBB. But, this might be considered cheating though, Jiraiya can reverse summon himself to Mt. Myoboku every time he blasts a TBB. When he launches a close range attack that’s when he gets him. But if Jiraiya was fast enough to keep up with Pain, B shouldn’t be a problem. </div>
Looking at the panel, Bee never touched Minato. You can see the shadow of Bee's sword on Minato's flak jacket; they don't touch, so the sword never touched Minato. Also Minato wasn't even trying to hurt Bee, remember. He was trying to teach Ay something. He underestimated Bee's instincts, but he wasn't going for the kill. Bee on the other hand, had every reason to go for the kill if he could. Sage Naruto has sensing, which is how he reacted to the Raikage. Sage Jiraiya does not have sensing; his Sage mode is imperfect and has demonstrated lack of Naruto's sensing. I do think Jiraiya would fair the best against Ay than any other opponent here though. His AoE techs can help counter Ay's speed, and his hair defense can protect him even if Ay gets the drop on him (idk how long the hair defense would last though </div> Hmmm... actually I was going based on the anime, in which it does touch his stomach. There is no space between him and the blade.

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Quadraticequation·5/10/2019

<div class="quote"> AsianReaper wrote: <div class="quote"> Quadraticequation wrote: Honestly I think Jiraiya’s reverse summonings are enough to take care of B and A. The summoning toad crush would deal with B and A. It would immobilize them and crush them until they die. Also I still contend that Pain is stronger than them, and he stated that Jiraiya could beat him. Minato is stronger than A because A admitted so. Bee is stronger than Minato because he proved so. Minato came behind B with a kunai a couple inches away from B’s head. Before he could bring the kunai closer, Minato felt something against his stomach. He looked down. B already had his blade pressed into Minato’s belly button. That’s why I think B was superior. Minato hadn’t touched B with his kunai yet, but B had his blade already pressed against Minato’s stomach. So IMO Jiraiya>B>Minato>Ay </div>
Bee has ridiculous cutting power in all 8 of his swords, more so than any regular blade and even more than standard wind release. I doubt he wouldn't be able to get out, especially if he uses his Tailed Beast Strength to cut using his swords with his extremely high cutting power. Ay is in the same boat. He has Tailed Beast levels of chakra, and Lightning Release Chakra Mode which is basically a fullbody Chidori. I don't think it'd be enough. Pain's whole advantage is basically no one knew how he operated. He was an extremely powerful combatant, but on top of that, his opponents had a hard time figuring out how he fought. I think Bee and Ay stand a good chance against Pain if Pain's secret was known to all. Hahahahahah Bee NEVER proved he was stronger than Minato literally ever. If Bee could have killed Minato, he would have. That was their entire goal. Minato's goal was not to kill, but to teach Ay something important. So he didn't go for the kill there. We all saw what happened to Bee when Minato was out for blood against Ay; his tentacle was cut almost clean off. Minato was just trying to get Ay to realize something. Bee in no way proved any wort of superiority there. If anything, he was the nervous one while Minato was completely calm about it </div> I didn’t respond to this one because I didn’t have any counterargument. Pretty much my only argument is that before Minato’s kunai could even touch B, Bee’s blade was pressed against Minato’s navel, giving me the sense that his reactions were faster. As for Jiraiya, Sage Naruto outreacted the 3rd Raikage, giving me the feeling that Jiraiya had enough reflexes to trap B in his road crush summonings. His only problem would be B’s TBB. But, this might be considered cheating though, Jiraiya can reverse summon himself to Mt. Myoboku every time he blasts a TBB. When he launches a close range attack that’s when he gets him. But if Jiraiya was fast enough to keep up with Pain, B shouldn’t be a problem.

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Quadraticequation·5/8/2019

<div class="quote"> FlatZone wrote: Jonin Minato who couldn't beat A or B, but could only stalemate them hence they all lived un maimed after every single battle they've had while Minato always goes for the kill until the retreat horn is blown. A goes after Minato and although barely, Minato wins. B fights Jiraiya and uses his V2 and then TB Mode, and Samehada. Jiraiya lasts a long time in this battle since he is that good, but in the end Killer B wins. Minato is low on chakra from fighting A 1v1 and B comes in with plenty of chakra, knowledge of FTG, Samehada, V2 Mode and TBB Mode and he overpowers and outlasts Minato killing him. Killer B wins this battle, even without Samehada. </div>
I kind of disagree with the Jiraiya statement. I think Jiraiya's summonings can easily take care of Bee. Killer Bee isn't necessarily fast, at least compared to Jiraiya. His destructive powers only show truly in his TB mode, which is easy to evade as long as you don't fight it. He can evade until he uses his Song Genjutsu. Personally I think Stomach Crush summoning should be enough to deal with him.

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Quadraticequation·5/6/2019

<div class="quote"> Actionmanrandell wrote: 101 i use talk no jutsu to talk you out of using Takemikazuchi on Ninja </div>
Noooooo!!! You should’ve saved up that secret power attack for a more powerful outcome. No we can’t use it lol😂😂.

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Quadraticequation·5/6/2019

Talk no jutsu..... the end. I win... lol😜😜😜

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Quadraticequation·5/6/2019

Honestly I think Jiraiya’s reverse summonings are enough to take care of B and A. The summoning toad crush would deal with B and A. It would immobilize them and crush them until they die. Also I still contend that Pain is stronger than them, and he stated that Jiraiya could beat him. Minato is stronger than A because A admitted so. Bee is stronger than Minato because he proved so. Minato came behind B with a kunai a couple inches away from B’s head. Before he could bring the kunai closer, Minato felt something against his stomach. He looked down. B already had his blade pressed into Minato’s belly button. That’s why I think B was superior. Minato hadn’t touched B with his kunai yet, but B had his blade already pressed against Minato’s stomach. So IMO Jiraiya>B>Minato>Ay

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Quadraticequation·4/29/2019

<div class="quote"> Ninja Of War wrote: <div class="quote"> FlatZone wrote: I usually ignore you two, and I have tried to do so again but here you go again praying to Minato the almight god lol. Minato himself and Kakashi confirmed it, so stop saying the same old bs, Minato wouldn't use Sage Mode because he's not good at it, it takes too long to enter, and his senjutsu techs are too weak. Get your context comprehension up. </div>
Lol. @Asian already said what needed to be said, so no need for me to repeat it. And no, me asking for you to explain and prove your points is not me "praying to Minato" lol. <div class="quote"> AsianReaper wrote: So no, no one confirmed it was weak, you're again pulling incorrect facts from texts that don't imply what you're saying. You just want to downplay Minato every chance you get, and it shows lol </div>
Yeah, a go-to move for @FlatZone. Although it doesn't help, it actually harms @FlatZone's "case". Btw @FlatZone, are you gonna prove your previous points? Or just ignore me asking as always and continue to hold onto your opinions? <div class="quote"> Quadraticequation wrote: Actually look carefully, Ay's hand was not near Minato's nose. It was near Minato's right cheek. Then when Raikage tried punching Minato again, it was near his left cheek. </div>
I did say Ay seems to touch Minato's nose, not that he actually did. Relatively speaking it doesn't really matter anyway. So, do you agree with the rest of my breakdown or is there something else at fault? </div> Honestly everything else you said(listing the 5 points out) wasn't wrong(at least according to me). I agree that Minato proved himself superior to Ay. I just question whether he's superior to B and Jiraiya sometimes. Also if Sage mode takes a while, he can reverse summon himself to Mt. Myoboku and activate SM there and come back. Although I feel some ppl will disagree with this.

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Quadraticequation·4/25/2019

<div class="quote"> Dbknowitall wrote: lets see Speed= Minato, Raikage, Bee, Jiraiya Physical power= Raikage, Minato/Sage, Jiraiya/Sage, Bee/base Durability= Raikage, Minato/Sage, JIraiya/Sage, Bee/Base Experience= Jiraiya, Raikage, Bee, Minato Versatility= Jiraiya, Raikage, Bee, Minato. Raikage has the highest Chance of winning due to superior stats and durability, he completely negates Minato Rasengan unless minato uses Sage mode, of course this is non Kurama minato, Jiraiya is also neged without any Sage mode, and bee has nothing but taijutsu without 8th tail. Jiraiya takes to long for Sage mode which is a downfall. </div>
I mean it can’t take that long. He was able to do Sage mode while fighting Pain. I’d put Pain above Raikage & Killer Bee

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Quadraticequation·4/25/2019

<div class="quote"> Ninja Of War wrote: @FlatZone Let's see what you have to say now. Others have touched on it, but let me break down Minato's speed... Ch542, Minato's kunai in hand in the first instance is facing in the opposite direction. A seems to touch Minato's nose, Minato flies to the tree kunai, in a crouched position, turns head. Minato's kunai in hand, then is above the shoulder at A, in a downwards position. Now, we can't say that the kunai in hand only went up. In previous panels, Minato is standing just behind a tree-line. The sequence plays out, and you can see the panel where Minato FTGs to the tree kunai. A's shoulder is in front of the tree line in question. This indicates that Minato's kunai went both forward and upward. I also like to summarize the number of movements and change in positions that Minato made in the sequence. 1. Minato flicks the kunai in hand forward and upward faster than A at full speed. 2. Minato teleports to the tree-kunai, in a crouched position(change in position occurred). 3. Minato makes a turn of his head in the same instance in the direction of A. 4. Minato teleports to the kunai traveling above A that was at his shoulder, but is now in line with his waist. Showing A is in motion. 5. Minato spins around mid-air and attacks A, but is intercepted by Bee's tentacle. 6. Minato dodges Bee's attack, places FTG seal while still airborne. All of this occurs, and A can't do anything but move his eyes. Not counting 4. as that is FTG only. That are 5 movements that Minato did that A had zero counter-movement to. And no, from the five kage summit arc against MS Sasuke, A can stop from full speed quite effectively. So A couldn't even react to Minato's movements at all. </div>
Actually look carefully, Ay's hand was not near Minato's nose. It was near Minato's right cheek. Then when Raikage tried punching Minato again, it was near his left cheek.

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Quadraticequation·4/7/2019

<div class="quote"> AsianReaper wrote: <div class="quote"> Quadraticequation wrote: Yea that's true. Initially Jiraiya was Hiruzen's first choice. However, since he turned it down Hiruzen had to go to Minato. </div>
See above </div> Yea u right. I missed that part. My bad

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Quadraticequation·4/7/2019

<div class="quote"> FlatZone wrote: Not true at all. Jiraiya was the main option multiple times, he turned it down multiple times. In fact the only reason Minato became Hokage was because Jiraiya turned the position down.. again... </div>
Yea that's true. Initially Jiraiya was Hiruzen's first choice. However, since he turned it down Hiruzen had to go to Minato.

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Quadraticequation·4/3/2019

<div class="quote"> Ninja Of War wrote: The problem with character statements is that it can mean one of many things as well as being the perception of what that character views to be true, not necessarily the truth. So Bee statement of MS Sasuke: Did he mean fighting by himself (without A)? Didn't Bee say MS Sasuke was one of the strongest? Pain statement is kinda true in a broad sense of shinobi combat, if you know your opponent's abilities and have the ability yourself to counter it, then you can win. Sage Jiraiya certainly had the abilities but lacked the knowledge on the SPoP. In any case, Jonin Minato marked Bee already, so all he has to do is FTG to Bee and fatally injure him. Obviously through a feint or while Bee is preparing jutsu. So Sage Jiraiya and Minato have Ay to deal with. </div>
I went back, in both the manga and anime, Killer Bee says "most powerful", not "one of the most powerful".

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Quadraticequation·4/2/2019

If we’re going by statements, Killer Bee said that MS Sasuke was the toughest person he had fought. Then when Raikage said Minato was unsurpassable. However, during B and A’s clash, B stated that Ay forgot how strong B actually is. Thus concluding that Ay’s statement was invalid. And if we’re still going by statements. Pain said that he would’ve lost the battle to Jiraiya had it not been for his secret. Then Obito agreed to that testament. We know that Sage Jiraiya is not weaker than MS Sasuke. So... idk does that count as a counter argument?

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Quadraticequation·3/24/2019

<div class="quote"> FlatZone wrote: The only thing that can penetrate the Third Raikages skin is his own Hell Stab, he can be very lightly injured by wind release techs.. but thats about it. So honestly sealing the 3rd is the only option for Jiraiya and Minato. If this is the 4th Raikage.. he's a hot head and even though he's faster he makes some rash decisions and Minato has already been shown to capitalize on that aspect of him. So I say Minato would beat him. Jiraiya us the issue here. He is a Sage Here and has his summons, Ma and Pa and their techs such as Frog Song etc and his sensor barrier. There is no evidence whatsoever that Jiraiya does not have the sensing abilities that other Sage Mode users have, period.. so as Madara did with Tobirama and Naruto did with the 3rd Raikage.. what's stopping Jiraiya from reacting to an FTG attack? really nothing since Ma and Pa would ALSO be there. Then we go back to Killer B, who at 15 outreacted Minato and had his sword to his gut, earning him the nickname "Killer" from Minato and gaining Minato's respect.. we also see Killer B outstrength his brother and whoop the hell out of Taka. Killer B is a perfect Jinchuriki with Gyuki giving him more chakra reserves than Minato and Jiraiya by far. So I say the first to fall will be A, the second will be B, the third will be Minato and the Jiraiya will die in the end but win. Fukasaku has Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant Fighting Tongue Slash Frog Kata Reverse Summoning Technique Sage Art: Amphibian Technique Sage Art: Frog Call Sage Art: Goemon Sage Mode while Shima also has Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Chant Fighting Tongue Bind Frog Kata Reverse Summoning Technique Sage Art: Amphibian Technique Sage Art: Frog Call Sage Art: Goemon Sage Art: Wind Release Dust Cloud Sage Mode Summoning Technique (Toad) Jiraiya's tech list is huge. When you fight Sage Mode Jiraiya you are also fighting Sage Mode Fukasaku and Sage Mode Shima. They all have Frog Kata and other Sage techs to boot. If it was base Jiraiya then I give the fight to Minato.. but Sage Mode Jiraiya from the start?? No he wins this in the end. </div>
Personally, I agree with this. I'll go ahead and check the answers also and come up with an appropriate post.

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Quadraticequation·3/17/2019

<div class="quote"> AsianReaper wrote: <div class="quote"> FlatZone wrote: Jiraiya completely let his guard down thanks to plot which Nagato even comments on it with him saying "Didn't you tell me not to turn my back to an enemy, Jiraiya sensei?", right before this at the very last moment he did sense the Preta Path Body get right behind him which he was ONLY able to sense that despite letting his guard all the way down thanks to Sage Mode's Sensing and reaction ability. Naruto's guard was all the way up and he was anticipating 3rd Raikage's speed and attacks, coupled with Sage Modes sensing and reaction abilities. There is no reason Jiraiya cannot do the same as nothing ever said the reaction and sensing abilities of Jiraiyas Sage Mode were different to Naruto's. </div>
Doesn't matter if his guard is down, Sage Mode automatically gifts you incredible sensing regardless. But Jiraiya never showcased sensing like Naruto. And Jiraiya's sage mode in general was already stated to be inferior to Naruto's so it makes sense </div> Well if that theory applies, then Shin was fast enough to stab an Adult SoSP Hokage Naruto. We know that somebody with the caliber of Shin is not strong or fast enough to take on Hokage Naruto who is amped up while using his Six Paths Sage mode. Why did he stab him then? Naruto had let his guard down. Similarly, Jiraya had not only let his guard down, but he also had turned around.

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Quadraticequation·3/17/2019

<div class="quote"> AsianReaper wrote: So you think that Jiraiya can react to Raikage in time, and you think Minato wouldn't be able to react to Toad crush? I think that our opinions are too different on the series to have a coherent discussion, Hopefully someone else comes along to discuss with you lol </div>
I was simply stating my opinion and you were stating yours. There is no definitive goal when we have debates on these forums. We debate on them because it’s fun, and we debate on them to see if anybody can prove our thought process incorrect and vice versa. You think Minato and Raikage are stronger than Jiraiya and that’s fine. I think Jiraiya is stronger than them and that’s also fine. The fun in these forums is in trying to prove to the other person. :)))

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