All posts by SenjuMadara2

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Frwt wrote: Only think that can block him are blokers to his line of sight, like mist and such </p> </i></div>
<p>KotoAmatsukami does not need eye contact to be applied. </p>

<p>izanami and izanagi have the side effect of automatic blindness, it's not an eye wear, that in excess causes blindness like the skills of Mangekyou, Edo Itachi used his Mangekyou's Susanoo and Amaterasu and had no eye or physical wear. </p>

<p>I also don't think it should be named like this, because the name "Sage Transformation" seems to refer to the Hagoromo or to the Clan of Juugo. And it has nothing to do with Juugo and the Hagoromo was a Jinchuriki of Juubi as Obito and Madara, do with that there is nothing special about Hagoromo. It makes sense to name "Juubi Transformation" or "Kaguya Transformation" this Jinchurikis..l </p>

<p>@JamesSenpai, his first quote was the one correct about me. The other quotes are wrong. YOU HAVE TO CORRECT THIS. YOU QUOTE ME IN COMMENTS THAT I DID NOT. WHO DID these comments were made by @MadEyes008. </p>

<p>First, I didn't say that Edo Rinnegan had no Tendo (Deva Path), ie fly (I also think Tengai Shinsei is Deva because it's related to attraction and repulsion), so read what I wrote right. I believe he would be able to do the Shinra Tensei, BUT he didn't use it. ...... </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: He used ShinraTensei to bust the coffin lid off for starters. </p> </i></div>
<p>Do you have PROOFS? </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: He used Deva Path to fly/float too. He used a few dif paths, go check his page and they should have them listed. </p> </i></div>
<p>He didn't use any other path, much less while Edo. I want to see you show me in the manga the Madara using a path other than Deva, Preta and Limbo. I want you show me mostly he using the Shinra Tensei. Bring evidence. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: There is no proof there. You need to prove that statement, as only Limbo appears to be unusable by an Edo Tensei Rinnegan Madara. </p> </i></div>
<p>The only Rinnegan powers that the Edo Madara demonstrated were the Tengai Shinsei and Gakido. No other was shown. On all the sites and discussions there is an agreement that Edo Madara had no Limbo because Edo Rinnegan was nerf and not the showed this power. So this should work for others as well, Edo Madara did not have the Ningendo, Jigokudo, Shurado, Gedo, Chikushodo. So in the same way you said that don't have proofs that Edo Madara didn't have these powers, don't have Limbo either. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>JamesSenpai wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>SenjuMadara2 wrote: Edo Madara proved not to have most of the powers of the true Rinnegan, including the ability Madara used to paralyze Sasuke in the air had never been shown before and he only used when he got his true Rinnegan back. In other words, the false Rinnegan that the Kabuto created nerfou much the Madara. Alive he has all the powers, it was not the LEVELS of powers that increased, the point is that he was not with ALL his powers. </p> </i></div>
<p>You just said the technique he used on Sasuke was Limbo. Therefore, I'm right. Everything you said minus limbo, Madara had as an edo. Yet, he lost. Soooooooooooooo. </p> </div> <p>Man hahahah, I said that the technique is Limbo. And I also said that Edo Rinnegan of Edo Madara didn't have most of the powers of the true Rinnegan, INCLUDING Limbo. The Limbo was not the only technique he didn't have. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: His techs WR techs aren't as strong as Hashirama's just close to them. There is also no proof at all Madara could ever use ShinSusenju. So don't give him something he does not have. If Hashirama gets onto the ShinSuSenju then its over, Madara can't reach him without his chakra getting absorbed. ShinSuSenju has the Wood Dragon added to it so it has its abilities too. </p> </i></div>
<p>Dude .... Dude, WHEN did I say Madara could use ShinSūsenju? This is the second time that you tell that I said something that I didn't tell. Obviously Madara can't do ShinSūsenju, he does not have Senjutsu enough for that. And Madara showed to be able to use Mokuton the Hashi level, and has no proof of the contrary. WHAT I SAID was that if Madara did not go off for MegaZord level battles he wins, using Ningendo and Limbo, And that if Hashi attacked with OTHER Mokuton techniques, Madara would counterattack with the same technique. </p><p>
</p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>SenjuMadara2 wrote: And if Hashi attacks with other Mokuton techniques, Madara may counter attack with the same technique. </p> </i></div>
<p>I said that. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: Chibaku will get shattered apart, just like the VotE was made. The meteors will get shattered apart same way Susanoo clad Kurama was manhandled and the Perfect Susanoo was shattered off of it. If the tech can create the VotE like it did all the while defeat Perfect Susanoo covered Kurama then it can handle those techs. ONLY Limbo poses an issue for him. </p> </i></div>
<p>I agree that the Chibaku Tensei and Meteors (Tengai Shinsei) would not be enough to end ShinSūsenju, but not everything is based on MegaZord level fighting, if Hashi uses ShinSūsenju, Madara attacks alone, the ShinSū is slow ( to attack things in small scale) because it's exaggeratedly large. Edo Madara didn't have all Rinnegan's techniques. And I say again that Edo Madara didn't use any techniques of Edo Rinnegan or Mokuton against Edo Hashirama, Edo Madara simply could have stopped the Mokuryū of Hashi with another Mokuryū. Rinne Tensei Madara has all Rinnegan's techniques. So techniques like Ningendō to tear the soul out, or Limbo would be fatal to Hashirama, even Hashi using ShinSū, because ShinSūsenju is only advantageous in MagaZord scale, if Madara continues with normal size techniques, he gains in speed, so with Limbo or pluck the soul, ready. And if Hashi attacks with other Mokuton techniques, Madara may counter attack with the same technique. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: That suspending Sasuke in the air was highly hinted to be a Limbo clones actions. </p> </i></div>
<p>Yes, for me it is Limbo too until the true answer arises, and I already saw explanations that would be the Deva Path. But what leaves one doubting even is the fact that has crystals wrapped around Sasuke. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>JamesSenpai wrote: One problem. Everything you said minus limbo, Madara had as an edo. Yet, he lost. Soooooooooooooo. </p> </i></div>
<p>Edo Madara proved not to have most of the powers of the true Rinnegan, including the ability Madara used to paralyze Sasuke in the air had never been shown before and he only used when he got his true Rinnegan back. In other words, the false Rinnegan that the Kabuto created nerfou much the Madara. Alive he has all the powers, it was not the LEVELS of powers that increased, the point is that he was not with ALL his powers. </p> <div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: Bull, Kurama's chakra was sent out and changed specifically to power up whoever uses it, in this case the alliance and Madara then took that chakra for himself and to say that wouldn't power him up along side Sage Mode is ridiculous. Limbo is Madara's only hope of beating Hashirama. </p> </i></div>
<p>The Madara absorbed the Kyūbi's chakra, he didn't use the chakra like the other Shinobis, he didn't use the chakra like a cloak, so he didn't increase strength, he didn't increase physical attributes, only increased his chakra amount. The Sennin Mode increases the physical attributes, only that influenced. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: SenjuMadara2, Madara was absorbing the Kurama chakra from the Alliance Shinobi as he was declaring his intent to capture the tailed beasts. He then proceeded to use Limbo to take the TB's down while he was enhanced so much. </p> </i></div>
<p>And that's why you hooked things up? One thing has nothing to do with another, it has no relationship whatsoever, he was simply absorbing chakra, this is a relationship that you created for the situation having no basis, only Sennin Mode is something that helped Limbo. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: Madara was Rinne Tensei'd and in Sage Mode and boosted by the Kurama Chakra he stole before he was able to knock out the TB's with the Limbo tech. He can't do that without the stolen Sage Mode or the stolen kurama chakra. So don't give him feats that otherwise he doesn't have. </p> </i></div>
<p>What? </p><p>1) I put clearly in the topic that Madara is with Hashi's Sennin Mode. </p><p>2) Where did you get your speculation that Kurama's Chakra influenced anything? Where? </p>

<p>The argument that I'm making about Madara to win is the fact that Madara has the powers of Hashi, himself and Rinnegan (nor am I taking into account Limbo). IMO he would beat Hashi without Limbo. </p><p>But considering everything, obviously Madara would beat Limbo. Hashirama can not feel or see the Limbo because to do that, Rikudou Sennin Mode or Rinnegan are necessary, respectively, and he only has the Sennin Mode. And the Limbo with a strength and speed that was able to knock out 9 Bijūs almost instantaneously, would wipe Hashirama before he thinks about attacking. </p>

<p>Yes, that's why I said "scenes shown". </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: Living Madara never had a Hashi face on his chest, he was never shown or said to have Wood Release. Only Rinnegan, which he got in his old age. Sage Mode Hashirama defeated Edo Madara and had him ready to be sealed. Luckily Black Zetsu had just made Obito use Rinne Tensei. Alive Sage Mode Hashirama would only have to worry about Limbo, the otherwise the battle would go the same except no sealing would be necessary, so Hashirama would just kill Madara. </p> </i></div>
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It is likely that the Old Madara did not have Hashi's face, but I did put the Madara Rinne Tensei, that has their own powers, Hashirama's powers (Sennin Mode + Mokuton) and Rinnegan. </p><p>And in the fight between the two in the Edo Tensei form, the battle scenes shown do not show Madara using Rinnegan's powers and neither does Mokuton, I think he did not use for pride. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Vladosaurus wrote: </p> <div class="quote"> <p>Arturia00000 wrote: I kinda thought of the power levels between Hashirama and Madara a while ago. </p><p>I always thought it was like this. </p><p>1. Base Hashirama = EMS Madara ( Normal ) </p><p>2. Sage Mode Hashirama = EMS Madara + Kurama / Nine-Tails ( Tailed Beast ) </p><p>3. Sage Mode Hashirama <= One Rinnegan + EMS Madara ( Limbo, Tengai Shinsei, Gedo Statue, Wood Release ) </p><p>So, according to me, Madara should take this, as Hashirama does not have a counter for Limbo, Tengai Shinsei. Though he probably could hold Gedo Statue for some time. Also, I believe that Madara with Wood Style would further pressurize Hashirama. </p> </i></div>
<p>Except that base Hashirama beat EMS Madara, SM Hashirama beat Madara + Kurama. So they are clearly not equal. </p><p>Tengai Shinsei would also kill Madara, not just Hashirama. Limbo has limited time, and it's debatable whenever it would be enough to actually kill Hashirama himself.IMO it would not enough by a long mile.Also Madara has no counter for Several thousand hands. </p> </div> <p>Hashirama and Madara were never equal in level, Hashirama was always more powerful than Madara, but for me the Madara revived by the Rinne Tensei overcame the Hashirama, so I think the following: </p><p>Base Hashirama (alive) > EMS Madara (alive) </p><p>Sennin Hashirama (alive) > EMS Madara (alive) + Kurama </p><p>Sennin Hashirama (alive) < Rinnegan Madara (alive/Rinne Tensei) </p><p>I think this because Madara has her previous powers, Hashirama's powers (Sennin Mode and Mokuton) and even more Rinnegan. If Hashirama is more powerful than that, then he can makes the prowess of being more powerful than his OWN powers plus of Madara and MORE Rikudou's eye. </p>