<p>I don't think this has ever been discussed. Both are going all out. Itachi is in his prime but Gaara is not.
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Tough. Is Itachi sick? Is Pain all of the Six Pains? Which version of Obito?
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<p>The only reason Gaara pulled Madara out of his Susano'o is that Onoki played a heavy contribution. Onoki lightened Gaara's sand. Also, Gaara is kinda smart.
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<p>Itachi fanboy? C'mon, man. How childish could you be? It's very clear that you want it to be stacked in Gaara's favour. He already has a WHOLE desert.
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It's not Prime Gaara. Also I edited the description. Gaara does not have much knowledge about Itachi but Itachi has manga knowledge on Gaara.
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<p>Oh so you realised Gaara would win, so now changed it ok... </p> </div> <p>Seriously? Gaara fanboy. I can tell you want it to be stacked in Gaara's favour. No problem man, make your own thread and world where Gaara is Hashirama level. </p>
<p>Oh so you realised Gaara would win, so now changed it ok... </p> </div> <p>Seriously? Gaara fanboy. I can tell you want it to be stacked in Gaara's favour. No problem man, make your own thread and world where Gaara is Hashirama level. </p>
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It's not Prime Gaara. Also I edited the description. Gaara does not have much knowledge about Itachi but Itachi has manga knowledge on Gaara.
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<p>Orochimaru knows exactly what he's dealing with instead of naively taking on the dude twice with the assumption he could handle anything he threw at him. Oro can use Oral Rebirth to counter Amaterasu. It basically boils down to whether or not Orochimaru can outlast Itachi and avoid Totsuka or if he can find an opening to attack Itachi from underground while he's in Susanoo. I don't think he can handle the likes of Itachi TBH.
Even giving Oro full knowledge w/o prep given that Kakashi knew Itachi's genjutsu but still couldn't counter it, won't do any good, because he has nothing to counter Visual Genjutsu.
Oro had knowledge of the Sharingan and Genjutsu on the series, yet he still was caught in a Random Genjutsu :<i>v</i>
He should still be afraid of Itachi. But Kusanagi is a very straight forword attack, and sharingan is great to dodge straight forward attacks, if he sees a sword coming at him, Itachi should be able to dodge it. databook said Kusanagi-like blades, because they look like Kusanagi but they're not the Legendary Sword, because tehy can't be 10000 copies of Kusanagi, otherwise it would be the most common sword in Narutoverse, no Legendary.
I think they can't attack from multiple directions, they are somehow attached to Oro's mouth, if they could attack from all directions they would've surround NK4. Even so, if Tsunade could crack Susano'o, copies of Kusanagi or not, hundreds of blades should be able to as well, with ease.
Then again, perhaps its a special ability of Kusanagi to be reproducible by the one who wields it, seeing as it represents surpassing physical limits (which should include numbers). Kusanagi failed to put a scratch on KN-4.
Susano is mode durable than that. I'd say stamina would be the deciding factor. And Prime Itachi doesn't have sickness I think. I'd say Itachi wins high difficulty.
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<p>Please provide reasons. Why do you think Gaara will win? Any explanation as to why? </p>
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<p>the only reason Gaara was able to pull Madara out of his Susanoo was help from the Tsuchikage. Also I don't think Gaara in his prime include s Shukaku. Also, Izanami? Also, I edited the description a little bit so it is not seriously stacked in Gaara's favor. Gaara is NOT in his prime but Itachi is.
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<p>Gaara got STOMPED by a Susanoo clone. Dont try to make it seem like he stood toe to toe with it. Gaara got speedblitzed by a Pre-Shippuden Sasuke.
</p><p>What feats has he shown that his speed increased? Itachi has comparable speed to a Sasuke who is believed to be faster than his part 1 counterpart the same counterpart that blitzed Gaara in part 1 so how does Gaara not get blitzed(remember his defensive skill derives from his mothers will independently of his own so how does it become more powerful....the answer is it did not become more powerful over the time skip) thus Itachi blitzes. Gaara doesnt fight by sitting inside his sand bubble. Hes done it one or two times. More often then not hes outside of it floating on his sand. And its not hard to point at someone. Especially when itachi far outclasses gaara in intelligence. Gaara would be fighting a clone while Itachi is behind gaara. And all he would do is point at him and the fights over. Gaara has never been shown to be one to be especially resistant to genjutsu. Let alone of someones on itachis level. Orochimaru is far far ahead of gaara and yet he has little genjutsu resistance at all. Exact same goes for gaara. Gaara has to infuse his chakra into sand to control it, he cant just control sand. You do realize what the sharingan does right? It sees chakra, Gaara or his sand doesnt have near enough of a speed advantage to immobilize itachi in a 1v1 fight without ambushing him. Gaara has never immobilized someone in a 1v1 fight like that. gaara doesnt instantly control everything, his chakra has to be infused into it. Itachi would easily see the sand and move. If gaara could imprison people so easily then he wouldve imprisoned sasuke when they fought as gaara didnt want to kill sasuke. Imprisoning and blocking are 2 completely different things. You guys do realize that the only reason Gaara's sand was able to work on Madara's Susano'o was because the Tsuchikage lightened it and made it easier for it to be placed underneath his feet right? can't itachi materialize into crows, fly up to gaara then susanoo Sword of Totsuka him? Sand is irreverent because Totsuka is not only a spiritual sword but a physical sword that seals people. Of course, not right off the bat. Garra is one the slowest characters in naruto if you can break through his defenses he is mediocre at best. Pre-shippuden Saskue blitzed him fairly easy and IIRC Itachi had no trouble keeping up with Saskue and Kakashi speed and in Shippuden as Edo he was able to ward of attacks from both Killer Bee and Naruto. IIRC the only reason Gaara was able to pull Madara out of his Susanoo was help from the Tsuchikage. Itachi isnt fodder trash. I don't think Gaara will ever stop itachi from closing that distance. Hes never immobilized someone in a 1v1 fight without catching them off guard. And itachi is far too intelligent to be caught off guard by someone like gaara. Itachi not being able to hurt Gaara with Susanoo is false because Madara easily handle garra with his a swing of his sword and Garra was not even able to defend himself. Garra's lone sand is not enough to stop Itachi's Susanoo because when have two examples where Garra's sand cant even damage a skeletal Susanoo or How gaara's sand ws easily brushed off by Madara's imperfect Susanoo. Gaara's best chance of survial is to pray that Itachi runs out of gas and dies because of his illness. Itachi could simply turn into crows, fly up in the air. Reform and point at gaara, and the fight is over. am thinking about Yata Mirror. It has all nature transformations so it can change its characteristics to block any attack, right?
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<p>Raikiri/Chidori causes a bit of tunnel vision due to the necessary speed involved. Without the perception powers of the Sharingan, it’s too easy for Kakashi to get counter-attacked. In short, he lacks the perception powers and reaction time to safely use his technique without the Sharingan.
</p><p>The Fourth Raikage uses Lightning Chakra to speed up his reaction time by making his nervous system respond faster and his brain process information faster. On top of simply being very fast movement-wise, he REACTS very quickly. He also does not use the Raikiri/Chidori. He just shrouds himself in Lightning Chakra and uses hand-to-hand combat maneuvers. A Chidori and a Lariat have the same basic principle, it utilises Lightening nature chakra to concentrate it on the hand, with minimum shape transformation. This is seen as the electric discharge on the hand, which is then used to stab the opponent. Chidori users don’t need to worry about this as long as they have Sharingan, and their body doesn’t need to be unnaturally fast, just fast enough to make it effective.
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<p>it has been stated, and kinda proven, that having more chakra than usual does make u faster and stronger, so guess that if she were to activate the seal, it multiply her base.
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<p>Manga knowledge for Orochimaru on Itachi is basically just full knowledge at this point so now he knows exactly what he's dealing with instead of naively taking on the dude twice with the assumption he could handle anything he threw at him. Itachi is also on his last legs here already due to his sickness so the odds certainly seem to favor Orochimaru here. Orochimaru can handle anything 3T Itachi has and can use Oral Rebirth to counter Amaterasu. It basically boils down to whether or not Orochimaru can outlast Itachi and avoid Totsuka or if he can find an opening to attack Itachi from underground while he's in Susanoo. I don't think he can handle the likes of Itachi TBH.
Sure, he's immortal now,but he still can be sealed.
Giving Oro full knowledge w/o prep, won't do any good, because he has nothing to counter Visual Genjutsu.
Oro had knowledge of the Sharingan and Genjutsu on the series, yet he still was caught in a Random Genjutsu :<i>v</i>
He should still be afraid of Itachi. But Kusanagi is a very straight forword attack, and sharingan is great to dodge straight forward attacks, if he sees a sword coming at him, Itachi should be able to dodge it. databook said Kusanagi-like blades, because they look like Kusanagi but they're not the Legendary Sword, because tehy can't be 10000 copies of Kusanagi, otherwise it would be the most common sword in Narutoverse, no Legendary.
I think they can't attack from multiple directions, they are somehow attached to Oro's mouth, if they could attack from all directions they would've surround NK4. Even so, if Tsunade could crack Susano'o, copies of Kusanagi or not, hundreds of blades should be able to as well, with ease.
Then again, perhaps its a special ability of Kusanagi to be reproducible by the one who wields it, seeing as it represents surpassing physical limits (which should include numbers). Kusanagi failed to put a scratch on KN-4.
Susano is mode durable than that. I'd say stamina would be the deciding factor. And Prime Itachi doesn't have sickness I think. I'd say Itachi wins high difficulty.
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<p>I'd say Itachi. Chiyo's statement comes to mind. "When fighting the sharingan, 1 on 1, abandon the field..." So Shik-deezy should try to create a distraction and bounce. He can't win. Even with Shikamaru's 200+ IQ, Itachi was also regarded as a genius, on Hokage-level intelligence at I believe 8 years old. So Shikamaru isn't gonna have enough of an intelligence advantage to make up for Itachi's fighting advantage. More than half of the reason Itachi is so dangerous is the element of surprise factor of his techniques and overall style, and Shikamaru of all people is going to greatly mitigate that advantage with full knowledge. He won't fall for 3 tomoe genjutsu off the bat, can break finger genjutsu by having by breaking his own finger ironically enough, and his shadows actually pack some serious raw power and range now. The expanding shadow Shikadai used has a surprise factor of it's own that could secure Shikamaru's victory.
</p><p>Itachi still has a far greater advantage considering his own genius intellect and his superior ability when it come to one on one fighting, but it's not like Shikamaru's odds of victory are at zero. Itachi is strong in that department himself and it's going to take more than just brains to defeat a man of Itachi's caliber. There's not much of a terrain advantage to either of them here either.
</p><p>I'm going to go with Itachi simply because Shikamaru is very limited when it comes to ninjutsu, bukijutsu, and has no better counter to genjutsu anyhow. It's hard to think up of a way how he can win, because even with full knowledge he doesn't have the skillset to counter Itachi's skillset. Hinata and Shino don't have much to their skillset either.
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<p>I'd say Nagato has the slight edge over Minato on this. Minato's speed is said to be greater than the raikages. But other than his flying rajin and rasengan there isn't much that can beat nagato. Nagato has the rinnegan,and literally only needs to spam chibaku and shinra tensei to win,not even letting minato get close to him. Nagato has an obvious experience advantage in my opinion. Nagato has been shown to be powerful enough to restrain Tailed Beast Naruto, so I naturally assume that he'd be able to do so to Minato. It's shown that Naruto had an advantage over the 6 Paths of Pain because he knew the secrets so if Minato doesn't figure out the secrets, he'll end up just like Jiraiya against the 6 Paths of Pain. I'm leaning towards Nagato for this like I said at the start.
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<p>Gonna say this again. One of the six paths has chakra absorption. Without intel, obito could get his chakra absorbed but if Obito plays his cards right, he might win. Other than that, I'm leaning to the 6 Paths of Pain due to them being 6 people and one of them being able to revive any dead members,and one that can absorb chakra. Obito has kamui,but it might not work and although he has taijutsu experience,it might not work. And he can't use ninjutsu, because it will be absorbed. If he manages to kill those 2 members that I stated, Obito might have a chance.
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<p>Maybe, it isn't but you haven't replied to my other half of my statement. Seventh Gate Guy matched Kisame who matched Bee.
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<p>Obito is as fast as Minato as well, I can give you the feats as well which adds to my statement. ^^
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<p>I disagree. I think Guy could actually win this because Guy can use like all of his destructive attacks without worry if they are in an open space, and I also think that the Seventh Gate rivals even the Third Raikage’s Speed. From what I remember, Hirudora is a concentrated bullet of air that explodes on contact with the target. As long as Gai aims it at the Third Raikage's scar, he should be able to win.7th Gate Guy is basically on par on terms of reflex and speed with Juudara, who absolutely destroyed SM Minato (faster than TBM Naruto himself faster than A himself faster than at least SM Naruto: only with KCM did he beat A). I don't think you can challenge that.
</p><p>So, Third Raikage would never land a hit, maybe he can land one or two, maybe three but this is canon,Hirudora is powerful. (it did destroy Susanoo). Also,
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