Anyway bye. Nice to talk to you.
How can you scale lower than him?
I gave my reason as to how and why. Already.
Your arguments are really showing the lack of understanding of yours.
I rest my case.
Kakashi is powerful?
Yes.
The fact you gave were not updated additionally there are no databook record for tobirama is there any?
Ok think whatever you want.
Just go and watch the anime and read manga + narutopedia.
And think
Now i am giving you fact and logic and this is your response. Forgodsake.
Nope. I never said that ready my argument wisely...
When it comes to certain expertise certain people will be at par. Jiraiya since had many experiences it is possible that he may win. Because in real battle or war.. experience matters
And about chakra, stamina...etc these are pre requisite though.
And for that you need intelligence..
The sole reason was sharingan or any dojutsu can't tell the difference between a shadow clone and an human being. This is the reason he made shadow clone jutsu..
This is the reason why he made teleportation jutsu. Because through sharingan uchiha were able to track the movement and to conter that he developed the teleportation.
This is a simplified explanation..
So this is your perception it means you only say based upon your likes and dislikes. Its biased opinion.
Let me give you the hint and...you must think.
Uchiha..
And sharingan...
Nope. Thats what you have to find out. Because then only you will know what intelligence is. For a moment put side your likes and mine but just think over. I must admit my fav is kakashi ai already said it but for now lets just think why Tobirama created shadow clone?
No. I am not, infact I am giving you the facts and logic is based upon facts and information.
Jutsu.. mistype
Why tobirama build shadow clone jutsu?
He can have water clone for sure..etc?
These are not form shippuden.
Let me ask you simple question, let me see your perception.
Tobirama build shadow clone jutusum. This is a fact. Alright..
Why does he made that? When he can have water clone...or something other?
Why shadow clone
I can sense an issue here.. i don't know whether you read properly or not but I wrote "not in any order".
Additionally, its true.
Which evidence? Jutsu doesn't make you smarter? Okay what does then?
This is the most funny argument I have read on this forum...
Kakshi is well above any jonin but he is not at the pinnacle or in top 5 he is in top 10 for sure.
Here is the list not in any order
Tobirama
Shikaku
Minato
Itachi
Orochimaru
...
These are the top according to me.. in terms of IQ.
Then come
Kakashi
.....etc.
I think you just have started to wach the naruto or not following it from long time...
I watched Naruto when it was started originally I have grown up watching it
Your analysis is absolutely wrong., Its basically your likeness towards kakashi though which I respect because he is my fav as well...but personal likes does not comes near the truth .. Orochimaru and Tobirama?
Kakashi more intelligent then these two. Shikaku i can imagine for a while
Most top jutusu were build by Tobirama.
Google it naruto vs guren