All posts by IchigoB93

It seems to be something unique only to Sasuke. I think anyone who awakens Rinnegan naturally will have a unique ability. Madara had his limbo clones and sasuke has ameno.

<p>If Obito could actually defeat Nagato in a straight up battle, he would've done so a long time ago. Especially considering the fact that he had no intention of reviving Madara anyway, it would've made sense for him to take Madara's original eyes from Nagato. He didn't because he knew he couldn't beat Nagato in a pitched battle without a severe cost. He has no way of actually hurting Nagato with anything he's got. The best he can do is warp himself away using Kamui. I don't think he could even take on the Six paths of pain directly and hope to win much less a healthy Nagato. That being said, white masked war arc obito is a whole other beast to deal with. That would be a battle for ages. </p>

<p>The only reason she had all her "original powers" was because of the God tree's chakra fruit she ate back in the day. It's what the Otsutsuki do. They sustain themselves by ingesting chakra and thereby retain their powers and eternal youth. Kaguya was supposed to harvest the fruit and having ingested the fruit herself, failed the mission she was responsible for as Momoshiki mentioned. Even before coming to Naruto's world, Momo and Kinshiki destroyed a lot of worlds together and harvested/ingested multiple God trees during their pursuit of Kaguya which inherently makes them stronger as Kaguya only ever ate one chakra fruit. Also why would Sasuke be worried about a threat greater than Kaguya if they are all weaker than her anyway?? This might be interpreted as him being worried about a possible Otsutsuki clan invasion but considering Momoshiki's confidence and casual arrogance, it seems unlikely that she would have an army against her. Momshiki and Kinshiki were the ones tasked with her retrieval and would've done so if it wasn't for her sons' betrayal. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>UltimaDude wrote: Why does it matter? Not to mention, Kaguya is currently the strongest Otsutski shown so far. </p> </i></div>
<p>Lol the reason she was preparing a Zetsu army was to help fight her clan when they come calling. Momoshiki is stronger than her and she was afraid of him. Jigen using a sliver of power from Isshiki was able to pulverize Naruto and Sasuke at the same time. Just imagine what Isshiki would be capable of in his perfect vessel. </p>

Nothing would change in the story even if he did return to the village after killing Itachi. He was still dangerously unstable emotionally and would be just as easy to manipulate for Tobi. He would awaken the Mangekyo and go on a rampage trying to butcher the elders. More members of the Konoha 11 would probably die trying to stop him. Jiraiya would still die and Pain's assault on the village would still happen. Sasuke returning back to the village at this point wouldn't really change the plot.

<div class="quote"><i> <p>How can hashirama track muu ? . </p> </i></div>
<p>Senjutsu. Hashirama is a perfect sage. A tiny bit of senjutsu chakra from Edo Hashirama allowed a blind Madara to sense and react to Tobirama's Hiraishin. Now apply the same logic here, alive Hashirama is stronger than his Edo counterpart and his senjutsu that much stronger. Muu is nowhere near as fast as Hiraishin. True he can erase himself and run away but that would defeat the purpose of this debate. The moment Muu tries an attack, he uses chakra and will be found out by Hashirama. Senjutsu allows much faster reaction time and can sense over a wider range and it's not as if Hashirama needs a lot of time to infuse senjutsu chakra. He could do that almost in an instant. Frontal or Sneak attacks, Muu has no chance. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Dust Release is definitely more powerful than a Bijuu bomb, it would easily eat right through one. </p> </i></div>
<p>I meant in terms of sheer destructive power. Dust release is a focused attack while Bijuudama is chaotic and just about destroys everything in it's vicinity. Hashirama is just way too strong, almost unfairly so. Muu can make himself invisible and try for a sneak attack with the dust release but he has a limit to the number of times he can use it. That's just about the only way he even has any sort of chance in the battle. </p>

Madara curbstomped Muu and Ohnoki at the same time. Hashirama is even stronger than him. Dust release is powerful but nowhere as powerful as a Kyuubi Bijuudama and even that couldn't slowdown Hashirama one bit. Muu has no chance.

<p>Audio genjutsu might be useful but both Sasuke and Itachi were both able to keep their Susanoo active while being trapped in it. Nothing suggests that Obito couldn't do the same and make himself intangible. </p><p>How would reverse summoning help?? It still wouldn't solve Kabuto's main problem. He can't hit Obito with anything. </p><p>Sneaking up on him is different from dimension hopping which is what obito does. Kabuto can't sense him when Obito is intangible. Bijuu mode Naruto couldn't sense Obito teleporting right in front of his face. </p><p>Kabuto still has no answer to Izanami. </p><p>All this is for orange mask obito. Rinnegan Obito with 6 Jinchuriki is just ridiculously powerful. Kabuto has no chance against 6 Bijuu at the same time unless he uses Edo Tensei. I don't think Juubito needs any explaining. </p>

<p>Any opponent of Obito without the teleportation has the same disadvantage. How to hit him?? Obito is just as knowledged, if not even more than Itachi in Uchiha Kinjutsu like Izanagi and Izanami. I don't see Kabuto having any chance against any other versions of Obito except the Kid one. </p>

<p>Obito's strategy would be fairly simple. Stay intangible and take the puppeteer out. The puppets are little more than distractions to him. If push comes to shove, he can use Izanagi with his spare sharingan and take Sasori out. None of the Akatsuki actually have anything to hit Obito with if he gets serious. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Yuhu123 wrote: I think its hiruzen, about 90 years old </p> </i></div>
<p>Hiruzen was 71 when he fought orochimaru and died. I think the oldest serving kage was ohnoki until the 4th shinobi world war. He was like 80 years old at that point. </p>

<p>@ Squinty97 </p><p>I wasn't trying to suggest that Tsunade has any sort of chance against pain. What I was trying to say is that many people know Tsunade's got monstrous strength. Especially considering the fact that Jiraiya was Nagato's teacher. It isn't about the mechanics of her techniques either. Just a basic knowledge of her modus operandi and likely wouldn't be able to surprise him with it in battle. Pain is in a whole other league compared to her. Even healthy or in her prime, she doesn't even compare. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>I bet she could take down one or two before they figured out they couldn't trade blows with her and distanced themselves. </p> </i></div>
<p>Tsunade is one of the sannin and one of the most famous shinobi from Konoha renowned for her medical expertise and monstrous strength. Her exploits are known far and wide. Considering the fact that Jiraiya taught Nagato, he should at least have a basic knowledge of Tsunade's capabilities. Don't really think she has an element of surprise in this regard. </p>

<p>Itachi's stamina aside, I can't see anyone other than Gai taking on kisame. Tsunade if she intervenes and that would still be a major debate as to how she would actually defeat him or even fight him. If Jiraiya falls for Tsukuyomi/Amaterasu, Akatsuki wins or at best would be forced to retreat at the cost of Gai's life. If Jiraiya manages to evade Itachi's one hit KO's and gets into SM, Konoha actually has a pretty good chance to win. But that is a very big if. Would someone like Itachi or Kisame give their opponent that kind of time to powerup?? Seems very unlikely. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>They slaughtered so many Uchiha's and none were mentioned to resort to Izanagi, Sasuke didn't resort to it when he got stabbed by Madara. Maybe Itachi thought that is what would happen. Except Obito freely could, with his sharingan stock, which is something he didn't know about. </p> </i></div>
<p>Izanagi is a forbidden technique that very few shinobi even among the uchiha possessed any knowledge about. According to Itachi himself, Izanami and Izanagi form a pair. So it's fairly obvious that he possesses knowledge about both the techniques. Itachi thought the masked man was Madara. How would he setup a fail-safe without knowing what his foe's abilities were?? Itachi either didn't know the full scope of Izanagi i.e, time delayed activation (knowing Itachi this is extremely unlikely) or he set a kill switch in his brother's eyes to counter Izanagi but failed anyway because he had no clue about Kamui. The latter seems like a more reasonable explanation to me. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>FlatZone wrote: Itachi was casually evading B as an Edo Tensei, he also was going hand in hand in taijutsu with NTCM Naruto. Madara before stealing the sage mode chakra was never known for any legitimate speed feats so I would say Madara is either 3rd or 4th in Speed, with Itachi at first place and Sasuke at second place. </p> </i></div>
<p>Spamming kamui is obito's fighting style. KCM1 Naruto is slower than KCM2 Naruto, who Obito was casually swapping hands with. Obito was surprised by the implanted amaterasu in sasuke's eyes but was still able to evade it. It did zero damage to him. </p>

<p>Sasuke and Itachi greater than obito?? That's debatable man. Obito was taking the piss out of Killer-b, 7th gate Gai, Kakashi and Biju mode Naruto. He's faster than anything Itachi has shown so far. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Starscream1998 wrote: Wasn't Sasuke landing blows on Gaara at the very start of the match though specifically because he copied Lee? He seems pretty fast to me. </p> </i></div>
<p>He did. He actually copied Lee's movements and trained to become faster to make his chidori more effective. While Sasuke is faster and had a solid technique, he did not have the firepower at that point to take on a tailed beast. If the fight dragged on, cursed seal or not Gaara would've crushed Sasuke. </p>

<p>Kakuzu is one of the stronger members due to his experience and the sheer variety of high level ninjutsu he can use. Not because of his fire power. Kisame is actually stronger than Kakuzu and can quite literally murder him in a straight up battle. Coming to the point, </p><p>1. Tough one to say really but base Jiraiya has crazy toad techniques like summoning the mountain toad's stomach or trapping his enemies in a house sized toad etc. Itachi had to resort to Amaterasu to even break out of the toad mouth trap. If Kakuzu gets trapped, he might be killed. But still because of Kakuzu's sheer arsenal of dangerous techniques and his experience, it'll be a 50-50. </p><p>2. The same scenario, but Jiraiya is allowed a power-up which only tilts the odds in his favour. 70-30 in favour of Jiraiya. </p><p>3. Jiraiya wins. Sage mode is way beyond anything Kakuzu can handle and the crazy summons, Ma & Pa and the strength, speed and reaction amp from senjutsu is just too much. One ultra big ball rasengan can honestly seriously damage multiple masks at the same time. Allowing Jiraiya to start in Sage mode is not fair in anyway. 100% in favour of Jiraiya in this scenario. </p>