All posts by Senjutsu Sage

<p>Itachi Uchiha in absolutely no way has low chakra reserves. Itachi Uchiha in every way has a little less chakra than a Raikage. </p><p>1. Suffering a little MS strain...... In fact (I know the Sasuke fight is our reference here, which in itself is an incredible feat on part of Itachi). The only things in that fight that seriously made Itachi suffer was Sasuke breaking Tsukuyomi (Which has never happened before in his life. Never expected it) and sadly, his sickness. He died because of his sickness. </p><p>2. You absolutely cannot tell me or try to convince me, that a man with chakra as low as you claim it to be can abuse Tsukuyomi (Used it for a lengthy period of time. He also, in number, used it twice, because their shuriken brawl apparently didn't happen under Tsukuyomi). Keeping in mind that Tsukuyomi is chakra taxing (My below point exalts this one) </p><p>3. Itachi says in part 1 to Kisame, or to himself whatever, that using Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu one after the other in a single confrontation taxes him a great deal. He then demonstrates in this fight the exact opposite of what he said, not dieing on the spot after putting the Susanoo up to protect himself from Kirin, or even better yet, using Amaterasu a SECOND time, CONTINUOUSLY (Hunting Sasuke with it. After previously coating it in one of his TWO pulled off great fireball techniques respectively). Considering your thoughts and what he said. These are moments where he should have been dead. </p><p>4. Itachi after kirin manifests the Susanoo AGAIN. And in his sickness and blindness, MAINTAINS, the Susanoo, till death. Fighting off and sealing Orochimaru prior, etc etc </p><p>5. The last and most considerable point. You think Itachi went and fought Sasuke days after he joined the Akatsuki? Days after he left Sasuke? Rethorical question. Obviously no. Itachi for years has had and has been using the MS, and incurred a sickness in the midst of those years. Itachi fought Sasuke in what we can call a used up or withered state. And yet.... Man you get it it. Incredible feat. </p><p>6. Itachi in no way has low chakra reserves. </p><p>7. The novel </p><p>The end... Yet: </p><p>"I say Itachi's chakra levels would be like Sasuke's after he lost Orochimaru but before he got the EMS, no outside interferrance and no outside boosts." </p><p>Cursee mark Sasuke ran out of chakra before sick Itachi </p><p>"Itachi's reserves wouldn't be as high as EMS Sasuke's, he just doesn't have that natural reserves like that. I would put Itachi's reserves at MS Sasuke's when Itachi gets the EMS." </p><p>No dude. Noooo </p><p>"So you're saying that healthy Itachi with EMS would have the same stamina as Sasuke with MS? So he could only use his techniques a few more times than Sasuke could before exhaustion hit (with Sasuke having less only because of added strain from MS). If that's what you're saying, that seems reasonable imo" </p><p>Noooooooooo </p>

<p>" I say Itachi's chakra levels would be like Sasuke's after he lost Orochimaru but before he got the EMS, no outside interferrance and no outside boosts." </p><p>I absolutely don't want to believe that you believe this. I mean yeah Madara can't beat Itachi but. You really feel this way about Itachi's reserves? </p>

<p>@Flat. You just admitted your own point bro. Danzo did that because of Hashi's cells (Even though you kinda worded it in a way to make it seem like it wasn't because of Hashi's cells). Without Hashi's cells he ain't using it more than once. </p>

<p>He'd definitely last longer than a hypothetical Edo, no Hashi cells, EMS Madara. Teleportation jutsu (Body flick), Fire style, Susanoo, Genjutsu. Practically kinda unstoppable </p>

<p>@Flat. Lool, but Shisui doesn't have Hashi's DNA. Either way. I'm remembering pretty clearly that Itachi said that Koto could only be used once a decade. Not that only the crow with the eye could use it once a decade. </p><p>@Hal. It's aitee. No fuss. I really think it's a mistaken belief on his part because he doesn't really know how Koto works. Well at least in terms of what he said about chakra network. Also. Lol, they won't indicate to Fugaku that it's Koto used. I don't even think they know about it. What I imagine they'd do is be in confusion about Fugaku's sudden change of ideal and reprimand him, or pugnaciously remind of his former self. Especially Yashiro, "What?! But captain! We've wanted this coup for sometime now. We've discussed it so much! It's reason and cause, down to it's necessity. You even agreed to it. What's with the sudden change of heart?! Don't tell me captain. Is this because of Itachi?!" Something along these lines I think would be mentioned especially by Yashiro who'd always make outbursts at Itachi in some of the meetings because of opposing thought on the coup, and the Uchihas' dissatisfaction. </p><p>"Shisui could use his own eye more than once a decade lol. It makes no sense that you would think he can only use it once every ten years, its his eye." </p><p>Lool bro are you sure? Man idk. And hold up we're talking about Kotoamatsukami not his Mangekyou lmao </p><p>"Bro, you've misunderstood some of my points. Koto is by all means not instantaneous, and I've said this quite a lot, and I'll say it again. It took a dozen panels for Nagato to acknowledge the build-up of chakra in Itachi's eyeball, to then warn Naruto, to then have Itachi's Mangekyo fully activate in that scene, to then have Naruto begin the long process of regurgitating this crow, to then cast Koto. By no means is it instantaneous. Madara's one handseal to create 25 wood clones and 3 handseals to summon Tengai Shinsei, took 3 panels in total, and thus would be incredibly faster." </p><p>Nah I just got confused by one of your points, where I said it seemed that you are changing your words making it seem like Koto requires active attention to be cast (Where you said before that it doesn't). Cause Koto is instantaneous bro. Itachi only did what you mentioned to get the crow out of Naruto. I remember when it got out all it took was a glance. But still, in this case that Jason's proposing. Itachi would have to mind control the crow, that'd more likely be about flying, to cast Koto on Madara. Whether he'd bother with the crow or not is a thing to put in question. He'd definitely notice Itachi's shift in behaviour though. But still, would he bother? I barely misunderstand you dude, you're popular with me for sharp thought and analysis. </p><p>"I said that Koto is not a continuous technique that someone needs to maintain. You were the one who implied that it was. You said that the reason that Mifune broke out was because Danzo "stopped" the jutsu, when in reality, Mifune broke out because of realisation. Danzo clearly didn't stop anything. You even said it yourself. Ao said the technique "is undone", not that "Danzo stopped it". The moment Ao realised that Danzo was using Koto directly followed the moment when Mifune talked about surrendering all power to the Hokage. I said that Danzo maintaining the technique doesn't make sense, because it doesn't. Simple as that." </p><p>Yeah I know, but here, "Danzo got caught around the time where he began to cast the technique, which is why Ao saw an active chakra network. Mifune had just started talking about Danzo's idea, which was when Ao checked Danzo. If Ao had waited any longer, he probably wouldn't have seen an active chakra network in Danzo, since the genjutsu would have already been executed, and Danzo would have deactivated Shisui's Sharingan." It seemed opposite to what you said - That I understood and agreed with - at first. </p><p>"The moment Ao realised that Danzo was using Koto directly followed the moment when Mifune talked about surrendering all power to the Hokage." </p><p>Back to this though. Idk how it was in the manga but. In the anime. Mifune touched on things pertaining to the Raikage and all the other Kage, deciding on who should lead the Allied Forces (Danzo's idea). After this, Ao said to himself that he felt that something was off and needed to check it out. Then he sniffed out Danzo, then noticed the colour of Shisui's eye and Hashirama's chakra (Well tbh, he noticed Hashi's chakra just as a foreign chakra. We know it as Hashi's chakra so I mentioned it a Hashi's chakra). Anyway. Ao noticed Shisui's eye colour a good while after Mifune talking. That's what I really mean't. Does the anime confuse with the Manga? </p>

<p>@Ninja. No problem </p><p>@Jason. Yeah, that was a mistake. Sorry ^^. If you scan ep 298 you'll definitely find it this time. If not, the next episode. But i'm sure it's 298 cause I recently watched </p>

<p>Lool, remember you said bro (Well made me realize) that Koto is countered by outside influence. The Uchiha are the outside influence who so wanted the coup. The strange change of mind of Fugaku would trigger them, especially Yashiro and co. And isn't it said that Shisui could only use it once a decade? </p><p>I don't think that would happen, because that really depends on Jason's ideal Koto command, which could most likely work against your clone helping Madara argument. Koto's also instantaneous </p><p>Nahh wasn't the exact moment, it was after a while. This is seeming so contradictory now, comparing what you said to me and Ao. Ao noticed the colour of Shisui's eye and deduced that Danzo was using Koto. Then he goes on to talk about chakra network, when Mifune wanted to know if Koto was still active. From what you said. I'm believing now that Ao just opted to say what he said because of a mistaken belief, that Koto works like normal Visual Genjutsu. Also. First you indicate to me that the jutsu is just cast, and then that's it. Now you're making it sound as if he has to maintain his chakra to cast it, which you are telling me doesn't make sense because of such and such. I'm getting confused </p><p>You misunderstand. I mean what if he cast it (In the way that you proposed to me, that it's just cast). Then, did some Sharingan magic again to dispel it. Not really let it go like he was maintaining it. You've already said that maintaining Koto doesn't make sense and I understand that. </p>

<p>Yeah I get it. Once it's cast it's in effect, and once an outside stimulus makes you realize yourself it's rendered useless. That's it's drawback. Just like Sasuke after a long while discovered the definite way to break Tsukuyomi, instead of reverse countering the Genjutsu, feeling that he broke it or overpowered it, only to notice again that it's still Genjutsu. But wait. That means Shisui attempting to use it on Fugaku would have been pointless to. Also, if Koto is used on Madara in this case. Who'd indicate to him that he's being controlled? </p><p>"Now, in regards to your quote, Ao described his chakra network, and Shisui’s eye in particular. Naturally, the network would have become quiet anyways once Danzo had executed the technique. Do you think Shisui’s eye would have remained active forever when it was cast on Itachi Uchiha? Because it clearly didn’t." </p><p>Itachi mentioned something about Shisui's Mangekyou wearing off, when he told Bee and Naruto that Shisui's Kotoamatsukami released him from Kabuto's control. What did he mean by that? I'll quote what he said, "That Genjutsu broke Kabuto's control over me. However, it appears that the Mangekyou had already worn off." <--- This is from the anime, English Dub. I don't really know where the manga chapter is, and it's a lot to sift through to find. </p><p>Also. What are the possibilities of the user being able to cast the Genjutsu and release it? What if after Danzo got caught, he released it, just like he subtly cast it? </p>

<p>@Hal. It's really true that Danzo stopped Koto. Mifune even ventured to ask Ao if Danzo's "jutsu was still in effect." Ao replied saying, "No, right now the flow in his chakra network is quiet, the jutsu's undone." </p>

Itachi wins. Even with MS

<p>Ep 298^ </p>

<p>@Ultima. I just think he's right about Mifune and Ao. When Danzo got caught he stopped controlling Mifune. Ao felt something was up, snooped out Danzo and recognized the colour of Shisui's eye and deduced that he was using Shisui's Genjutsu on Mifune. </p><p>I've already indicated how I see Itachi and Naruto winning. I don't really know about the Kotoamatsukami thing. All I can really hint about that is that Itachi's mention and explanation of it, to Bee and Naruto, of why he couldn't use it on Sasuke was confusing. Shisui never got to use the Genjutsu on Fugaku as he planned to do (We know that much). So that means all this time it's usability was in tact. So idk how he came out and said he couldn't use it at that point on Sasuke. Unless I'm mis-analyzing something or just missing something. </p><p>But wait checking the description again. The Itachi mentioned does have the crow. Only thing I question about it, is what I am puzzled about above^. </p><p>Koto in fact does actually one shot though. That really isn't deniable </p>

My bad

<p>I have absolutely no point sir. Just trying to make a fellow user aware of a truth, that he's seemingly not aware of. Well more or less. He maybe forgot. </p>

<p>@Antonio. He sealed the flames after that bro. </p>

<p>Urashiki is absolutely useless here. I would have have seen this in favour of him and Momo, if he was in his prior form. Momoshiki turns him into a chakra fruit and devours him. Now the actual useful person here, has a power boost, to fight the mighty Kaguya. </p><p>This is the part where Urashiki actually becomes useful; Through Momoshiki though. Using Urashiki's gained technique, to manipulate gravity or whatever. Momoshiki pins Kaguya to the ground, molests her with black rods, turns her into a chakra fruit and eats her to, like Urashiki. gg. (Urashiki would have been too weak if he tried the technique himself on her). </p>

<p>Ikr ^^ @, "I like your reasoning." In my previous opinion. Obito walks straight up to Nagato and cuts his throat with a Kunai. </p>

<p>I think KCM Sage Naruto and Itachi win. Madara isn't going to break Tsukuyomi as fast as people like to think he'd break it. Itachi isn't an amateur with his Genjutsu prowess. Madara casually gets sealed by the T-Blade while immobile under Itachi's Genjutsu. </p>

<p>trueee. maybe one of his giant shuriken or ninja tools? he could throw it at him. or do it just like he did it vs kakashi, naruto etc in the war (pelt them out with kamui) </p>

<p>that i understand but he's absorbing the fireball technique, and obito after he kamui's behind him attacks to kill btw (not try to send him to the kamui dimension. should of said it). and i think kamui goes faster if he chooses to speed it up. him saving sasuke before onoki could erase him with particle style at the kage summit attests to that </p><p>"There’s also the fact that Nagato would see Obito teleport behind him either with his own extra faces that we have seen the Asura Path capable of, or with the summonings." </p><p>loool, i didn't consider him with that in the scenario. lol my bad. true i'm thinking about it at the start of the fight </p><p>nagato sensed him through the edo tensei link though. i think that's what itachi said to kabuto (he lied and said he sensed him) </p>